A new bit of useless chatter. Have you ever wondered how much time in life you waste waiting at traffic lights? And, going on from that, have you ever wondered how much time you wast UNNECESSARILY at traffic lights? I have, I know several examples, but one that will be known to all of you. The lights at Asda Llandudno and at the entrance/exit to the Debenhams retail area. Drive from let us say the Grand Theatre towards Llandudno, wait at the lights, they turn to green. So head towards Llandudno. If you are the first, second, third car O.K. But if you are the fourth, the "Debenhams" lights will turn to red in front of you. Makes no difference if there is any traffic, pedestrians etc going in or out or anywhere. You are going to wait for 40 seconds for nothing. These two sets of lights are obviously linked, and I assume that this delay is to prevent traffic building up as you go towards Bog island. Anyone ever seen it building up there? NO. (except when all Llandudno is locked up, and then it doesent matter, nothing is moving) Mike