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« Reply #615 on: September 01, 2016, 04:00:41 pm »
 $good$ Ahhh it's Bernadette! Thanks for posting Hugo - the writer of that article is local and a friend of mine.

Good read  8)

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« Reply #616 on: September 02, 2016, 05:43:56 am »
Yes

Sometimes it's necessary to 'lie' for various different and valid reasons.

So, WOMD, the NHS, MP's expenses, etc, that's alright then, I had wondered.  _))*

Have a good holiday.

Where are you off to? Planet Zog or back to Ga-ga Land?
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« Reply #617 on: September 02, 2016, 08:33:58 am »
I was thinking more along the lines of saying my Wife's new hair doo was nice  :laugh:

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« Reply #618 on: September 09, 2016, 09:55:40 am »
I watched the Corbyn - Owen debate last night with an amount of interest, albeit it was in front of a very polarised audience which didn't seem to help the debate. My thoughts were that Corbyn was a clear winner in the debate; a more lucid and calmer orator with thought out considerations on most matters.

However, it was more than one sided, it was a really interesting observation of a very experienced politician; previously I was quite certain that he was sincere - but wrong - in his belief's, now I'm not so sure. The ideological views he expounded conveniently left out most of the practicalities or realities of his beliefs, and many were desirable, but fantasy. The socialist utopia he expounds will never exist in the real world and the danger is that although I think he knows that, his supporters don't, they are deluded enough to believe him. His supporters will then keep him in power in the Labour Party and he can crush those he hates far worse than the Conservatives - moderate Labour. That's his goal. Not to be elected as PM, he knows that's impossible, but to bring about a more socialist Labour Party, echo's of The Socialist Workers Party and the desire of Momentum.

Virtually nothing that Corbyn spoke of was realistic policy of a PM in waiting, it was all rhetoric. But, he will win, Labour will disintegrate and be unelectable and Owen will be consigned to the political dustbin of history.   

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« Reply #619 on: September 09, 2016, 10:26:04 am »


Virtually nothing that Corbyn spoke of was realistic policy of a PM in waiting, it was all rhetoric. But, he will win, Labour will disintegrate and be unelectable and Owen will be consigned to the political dustbin of history.   

I agree with one of your three predictions  8)

Poor Owen was all of the place, looked like a child trying to argue with his headmaster, very out of his depth.
All he could retort back to constantly was 'I want Labour to be in power, Labour not to be in opposition to be in power' He lives in cloud cuckooland he says openly that he wants to win votes from tory supporters but offers them nothing that they want. He's like the new lad in the office who wants to be everyone's mate.

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« Reply #620 on: September 11, 2016, 05:32:09 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37332287

Emily Thornberry - Shadow Foreign Secretary, accuses Sky News presenter Dermot Murnaghan of 'sexism' in a hilarious interview in which she proves she is a complete clown. This is her latest car-smash of a catastrophic interview, and she's had plenty to choose from, including Andrew Neil and Kirsty Walk. If this is the best that Corbyn can dredge up for one of the most important shadow cabinet positions, the Labour Party are in a dire situation. 
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« Reply #621 on: September 12, 2016, 09:01:19 am »
She was a bit useless, nobody can deny that. But Dermot was a bit of a smug ar$e as well, clearly trying to catch her out and grab a headline, can't blame her for being upset &shake&

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« Reply #622 on: September 12, 2016, 12:34:36 pm »
I don't think that Murnaghan was being smug at all; in fact he seemed quite taken aback by Thornberry's response. It's just the latest public disaster from the shadow cabinet and leader of a bunch non-entities and no-hopers that are allowing the Conservatives to smugly romp along with their far right agenda.

We desperately require an efficient parliamentary opposition and not only have we not got one, there isn't even one on the horizon, and doesn't seem that there will be one for some light years to come.   
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« Reply #623 on: September 12, 2016, 12:52:21 pm »
Labour have got 230 MPs. I know amongst that lot there is some great people who would will a strong government. They need to put away their egos and support their democratically elected leader. If they refuse they should be kicked out of the party and re elections should be taken in their areas. I'm certain Labour would win 100% of these re-elections.

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« Reply #624 on: September 12, 2016, 02:25:01 pm »
Labour have got 230 MPs. I know amongst that lot there is some great people who would will a strong government. They need to put away their egos and support their democratically elected leader. If they refuse they should be kicked out of the party and re elections should be taken in their areas. I'm certain Labour would win 100% of these re-elections.

Er, how do you equate that with Corbyn defying his 'democratically elected leader' over 500 times in his parliamentary career?
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« Reply #625 on: September 12, 2016, 03:28:08 pm »
Labour have got 230 MPs. I know amongst that lot there is some great people who would will a strong government. They need to put away their egos and support their democratically elected leader. If they refuse they should be kicked out of the party and re elections should be taken in their areas. I'm certain Labour would win 100% of these re-elections.

Er, how do you equate that with Corbyn defying his 'democratically elected leader' over 500 times in his parliamentary career?

He wasn't in the cabinet though.

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« Reply #626 on: September 12, 2016, 03:38:33 pm »
Labour have got 230 MPs. I know amongst that lot there is some great people who would will a strong government. They need to put away their egos and support their democratically elected leader. If they refuse they should be kicked out of the party and re elections should be taken in their areas. I'm certain Labour would win 100% of these re-elections.

Er, how do you equate that with Corbyn defying his 'democratically elected leader' over 500 times in his parliamentary career?



He wasn't in the cabinet though.

What difference does that make?

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« Reply #627 on: September 12, 2016, 04:14:29 pm »
The cabinet is there to work directly with the leader as part of his team.
Alex Ferguson will tell you there can be no dissent in a team! I don't agree with everything Corbyn does or says but I know we need to unite behind him if we are to achieve anything.

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« Reply #628 on: September 12, 2016, 05:10:10 pm »
Hmmm.  Actually, B2R, you said

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Labour have got 230 MPs. I know amongst that lot there is some great people who would will a strong government. They need to put away their egos and support their democratically elected leader.

which says nothing about the cabinet at all and simply assumes it's the job of every Labour MP to support their leader, which JC conveniently has failed to do on numerous occasions. It's a point I made a while ago: his own record as an MP shows he has no loyalty whatsoever to Labour or to any Labour Leader. Effectively, that ensures he has no moral authority as leader.

He's trying to play two games: stay as a Labour MP because it's well paid with a decent pension, ignore what the Leadership ask him to do, and then try to change the rules to say everyone must support him as leader. It's so blatantly dishonest I did wonder how he gets away with it at all, but clearly he has an appeal to the ultra-Left of the party who, for some reason, can't see the rest of the voting public will have nothing to do with him as a potential PM.
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« Reply #629 on: September 12, 2016, 10:15:16 pm »
I'm inclined to agree with you Ian on that, Corbyn and his mouthpiece John McDonnell seem to be so out of touch with the voting public.  They have more in common with the Communist party than the Labour Party  which they have been elected to represent.
Corbyn may well win the election for the Labour leadership but his appeal is only to the loony left of the party and I just don't understand how even Corbyn's staunchest fans can think that he has any leadership qualities about him.