National politics

[SteveH]

Not sure if looking back is the way forward, I think the "hard or soft" brexit is the big question, and personally I am worried that we panic, and go "soft".

[born2run]

Why not? - All the evidence is clear that it won't work! If you bought a toaster and at the end of the wire there was a potato instead of a plug would you say 'Oh hang on I'm not sure looking back is the way to go forward, let's try and develop some potato powered electricity emitting source to try and make the best of it'?

or would you say 'sod this for a game of Boris I'm taking it back to the shop!'?

Let's take Brexit back to the shop - they were clearly selling us fake toasters and most of us fell for it, we can either be stubborn and keep insisting in the face of all the facts that we were right, or we can admit we were sold a dud and do something about it.

[rhuddlan]

The mention of toasters reminded me that someone I know voted for Brexit because of the threat of low wattage toasters being" forced on us". Staggering to think that having the added burden of depressing the toaster another time would be that great a hardship ....on the greater scheme of things.That kind of stupidity has got us into this mess.

[Ian]

A relative of  mine voted for Brexit 'to teach Cameron a lesson'.  Clearly, a lot of thought went into it.

[OrmeMac]

The mention of toasters reminded me that someone I know voted for Brexit because of the threat of low wattage toasters being" forced on us". Staggering to think that having the added burden of depressing the toaster another time would be that great a hardship ....on the greater scheme of things.That kind of stupidity has got us into this mess.

All the talk of toasters reminded me of this https://youtu.be/QbNKNqOwgMo

[Merddin Emrys]

Where can I buy a 13 amp potato for my toaster ?

[Fester]

Ian, on a similar note, several of my customers were thoroughly excited with their winning Brexit choice..... because they didn't like all the Asian people in their area.
Hmmm.

About 6 months before the referendum, I posted an article on this forum stating that on the day we vote we STILL won't have the facts to make a sensible choice.   I'm not often right about anything, but where politicians are involved it was hardly a difficult prediction.

The campaign was based on LIES, as BTR says, we shouldn't accept it.

[Ian]

I agree. Interesting, though; Dave's mini-poll at the top shows no one changing sides.

[Merddin Emrys]

The mini poll needs an option of... no idea how to vote because neither side convinces me. The General election also needed that option.

[Hugo]

Neither side offers any specific information on any important issues.    Immigration is just one of those issues but both sides do agree that immigration benefits our economy, but we should still be able to select who we allow to come here.
Free movement of people is one thing but I wouldn't have thought that economic benefit migrants was part of the original intention of the EU

[Dave]

Still not a huge number of votes but maybe a picture is emerging. If you haven't already please contribute, there is no right or wrong, just difference in opinion.

[hiraeth]

I cast a postal vote to leave. I began to have grave doubts about my choice and had changed my mind to remain before polling day. Unfortunately, my leave vote stood.

[Fester]

I think the point is pretty much proved here.
The slim majority to LEAVE, if re-run, would today be a slim majority to REMAIN.

[Hugo]

It's the first past the post system, so I suppose the same could be said for the General Election too.

[Dave]

The number of votes cast in the poll are too small to draw any real conclusion as to the outcome of another national referendum vote but I must admit the picture that has emerged is the one I expected.