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Offline DaveR

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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #180 on: May 06, 2011, 06:14:36 pm »
At least Jason beat the Communists!

North Wales Region

Party         Member                  Seats Votes       %     +/-%



Conservative
Mark Allan Isherwood &
Antoinette Geraldine Sandbach 2     52,201   26.8    +1.2

Plaid Cymru
Llyr Huws Gruffydd                     1     41,701   21.4    -4.3

Liberal Democrat
Aled Roberts                                 1    11,507    5.9     -1.9

Labour                                            0    62,677   32.2   +5.8

UK Independence Party              0      9,608    4.9    +0.9

Socialist Labour Party                  0      4,895    2.5    +1.4

British National Party                   0      4,785    2.5     -2.6

Green                                               0      4,406    2.3     -0.6

Welsh Christian Party                  0      1,401     0.7    +0.1

Independent - Weyman               0      1,094     0.6     0

Communist Party of Britain         0         523      0.3   -0.1


Turnout                                               194,798      0     -0.3

Offline DaveR

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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #181 on: May 06, 2011, 06:18:54 pm »
I feel as though Jason struggled in his exposure outside the local area to a large degree, and even within the local area in terms of the non-Internet blog/forum using section of the community. This is where a Political Party machine makes all the difference, of course. Some sort of leaflet that is delivered to all households would be a must next time, I think, but that costs money.


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« Reply #182 on: May 06, 2011, 06:34:07 pm »
Personally I would say that getting only approximately 0.5% of the vote is less that the element of chance!   Not a very good result!   I feel somewhat sorry for him as he seems such a nice chap.


Oh ********* all these flipping English pensioners have voted Conservative.  That's ruined my day.

What a *******  shame - blame 2 of them on my household.  This is the very first time in 40 years we have voted against the Liberal or Lib/Dem Party.   And is there something wrong with the English?   They don't go burning down peoples houses, and they did regain Conwy Castle, so they can't be that bad!   :P   :P

Oh forgot mention - the OH is Welsh!  WWW
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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #183 on: May 06, 2011, 07:59:33 pm »
Well done to Janet Finch Saunders, best of luck  D)
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« Reply #184 on: May 06, 2011, 08:51:39 pm »
there is nothing wrong with the english,if you want to be among the most hated race in the world,look nearer to home to see the crimes committed against the irish and the welsh,and try reading  rape of the fair country and this proud and savage land and then tell me your proud of being english

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« Reply #185 on: May 06, 2011, 09:18:30 pm »
Dwyforite said: ...nearer to home to see the crimes committed against the irish and the welsh,and try reading  rape of the fair country and this proud and savage land

I am not aware of any crimes or rape of Ireland or Wales, so will have to read up on the History.  However this will be unlikely to  change my present national feelings, so until then I will continue to be proud of being called British!    $uk   And that is despite my ancestry being half Dutch and half Yorkshire.

Or putting it another way, I'm proud of my heritage and do not have any time for squabbles and arguements with my fellow countrymen.    >>>
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« Reply #186 on: May 06, 2011, 09:36:57 pm »
I dont consider this forum to be very interested in politics, thats probably why I never mentioned the subject. However, just in case anyone is interested, this is probably the most miserable day politically I have ever had in my life. Surfice to say my first introduction to politics was in 1945. I first voted around 1957 (you had to be 21 years old to vote). Capital letters now. I HAVE NEVER, IN THE WHOLE OF MY LIFE, BEEN REPRESENTED BY MY CHOICE. Despite voting I think every time. Shouting again. SOLELY BECAUSE OF THIS FIRST PAST THE POST SYSTEM. So, goodnight, I'm going to bed and pulling the blankets over my head. Mike

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« Reply #187 on: May 07, 2011, 07:50:32 am »
I know how it feels Mike, this is the first year I've got what I voted for.   And this time my vote was placed on the person rather than the Party, as the candidate is well known to me.     ;D
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« Reply #188 on: May 07, 2011, 10:44:44 am »
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there is nothing wrong with the english,if you want to be among the most hated race in the world,look nearer to home to see the crimes committed against the irish and the welsh,and try reading  rape of the fair country and this proud and savage land and then tell me your proud of being english

It's really hard to know where to start with your post, D, but it represents a parochial, nationalistic view - to me - which I believe epitomises all that's wrong with the world today. What you call the 'English' doesn't exist as a single entity, any more than the UN exists as a single country.  In fact, I would argue that the British became the world superpower they did between the wars because they incorporated all that was good from around the world, as they have for centuries.

But it goes much deeper. If you still think in such tribal terms, then remember that the original inhabitants of this fair Isle were Neanderthals, who were then wiped out by invaders from Southern Europe and the near East. If they went on to become today's Welsh, who, then, committed the greater crimes?  Or does crime not matter when it's a long time ago? And, if so, where d'you draw the line?

The tribe you call the 'English' are no more culpable in the crimes you assign them than the current American family is with regard to General Custer and the Native Americans. Society and humankind evolves  - or at least, one hopes they do - and tribal allegiances are just that:  patrician loyalties based on short-term expediency with little or no basis in fact. Crimes have been committed through the years - millions of them, probably starting with the first inhabitants in the Palaeolithic era, but to assign any current social group with direct responsibility for those is as daft as blaming Adam and Eve for the present state of society.
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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #189 on: May 07, 2011, 11:39:41 am »
If the town council has no power why do we have one?

That's what I was thinking?  What is their role?  Do they cost you money?  I say you as I don't live in Llandudno.  I suppose they must get expenses paid meals on the tax payer.  How would you go about disbanding them then?  The poll on here seems to suggest no one has any respect or confidence in what they do or in fact don't do.
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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #190 on: May 07, 2011, 11:48:49 am »
If the town council has no power why do we have one?

Pull the hotel down and build a multi screen cinema.

I guess Mostyn Estates will know better than most what will be built on there.

After all they now occupy the property where Courts used to be and they have recently acquired the shop on the corner of Mostyn Street/ Vaughan Street.

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« Reply #191 on: May 07, 2011, 11:55:21 am »
The Town Council has many powers but chooses to utilise few of them. In other words, there's a lot they could do but they can't be bothered. They have a budget of about £300k a year, which equates to about £30 per household in Llandudno. Spent wisely, that money could go a long way.

Pendragon, you have your own Town Council in Conwy:
http://www.conwytowncouncil.gov.uk/

Powers that a Town Council could use:

Allotments    
Provision and maintenance of allotments for cultivation.

Arts*    
Developing and improving knowledge of the arts and the crafts which serve the arts.

Baths    
Provision of baths and wash-houses (which in modern terms may mean a launderette).

Borrowing    
Parish, Town and Community Councils may borrow money subject to certain limits.
The Local Government Act 2003 removed the requirement for prior loan approval.

Cemeteries*    
Provision and maintenance of burial grounds, cemeteries, crematoria, mortuaries and post-mortem rooms.

Church yards    
Power to contribute to the costs of a churchyard in use and a duty to maintain any closed churchyard where the duty has been transferred by the Church of England.

Clocks*    
Provision and maintenance of public clocks, on churches or elsewhere.

Commons    
Power to protect any finally registered common which has no registered owner.

Crime prevention*    
installation of equipment and establishment of schemes for the detection or prevention of crime; making grants to the police authority for these purposes.

Entertainments*    
Provision of any form of public entertainment and any premises for giving entertainments. (This includes maintaining bands or orchestras and providing for dancing.)

Halls*    
Provision of buildings for public meetings and functions, for indoor sports or physical recreation, or for the use of clubs or societies having recreational, social or athletic objects.

Legal Proceedings
Power to prosecute and defend any legal proceedings in the interests of the inhabitants. Power to take part in any public local inquiry.

Lighting    
Provision and maintenance of any footway lighting which lights roads or pavements provided the columns are not above specified heights.

Litter*    
Provision of litter-bins in streets and support for anti-litter campaigns.

Open Spaces    
Provision and maintenance of public open spaces, pleasure grounds and public walks.

Parking Places    
Provision and management of car and cycle parks.

Parks    
Provision and maintenance of public parks and appropriate facilities.

Planning    
Local councils have a right to be notified of any planning application affecting their area and to make comments which the planning authority must take into account.

Playing Fields*    
Provision and maintenance of land for any kind of outdoor recreation, including boating pools.

Ponds*    
Power to deal with ponds, pools, or other places containing filth or matter prejudicial to health.

Public Lavatories    
Provision and maintenance of public lavatones.

Rights of Way    
Maintenance of public footpaths and bridleways.

Roadside Verges    
Power to plant and maintain roadside verges.

Seats*    
Provision and maintenance of public seats on the highway.

Shelters*    
Provision and maintenance of shelters for general public use and also particularly for bus passengers.

Signs    
Power to erect signs which warn of dangers or announce a place name, or indicate a bus stop.

Swimming*    
Provision of indoor or outdoor swimming pools or bathing places.

Tourism*    
Provision of facilities for conferences and encouragement of recreational and business tourism.

Traffic calming    
contribution towards the cost of traffic calming works provided by highway authorities.

Transport*    
establishment of car-sharing and taxi fare concession schemes; making grants for community bus services and bus services for the elderly or disabled; investigation of public transport, road and traffic provision and needs; provision of information about public transport services.

Village Green*
Powers to maintain the village or town green.

General Expenditure Power    
In any situation not covered by one of the specific powers described above a council may spend money on any purpose which in its opinion is of direct benefit to its area or to the inhabitants. The total expenditure by the council on all the cases under this general power was originally not allowed to exceed £6.15 per local government elector in the parish or town or community in any one financial year.

Where a power is marked with an asterisk the council may, in addition to exercising the power itself, help another body to act by giving financial assistance.

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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #192 on: May 07, 2011, 11:56:48 am »
If the town council has no power why do we have one?

That is the $64,000 question.  I have been a Town Councillor, as has another Member of the Forum and quite frankly it is a waste of time.   The power all rests with the County Council and the Assembly in Cardiff.

They can only advise on Planning, CCBC take the decisions, CCBC to do all the Planting for Llandudno in Bloom, CCBC put up the Lighting  etc. etc.    Llandudno TC arrange Town Twinning - why?  'cos it's a beano for the boys, as is Civic Sunday and a few other happy days!

A few voluntary groups could do a better job without all the expense and the pompous attitude most Councillors have, just like a load of strutting peacocks full of their own self importance and b****r the populous!

The only Llandudno Ward on the Welsh Deprivation List is Tudno which has the longest serving Town Councillor with over 30 years "service".  Can one call it service with that record?  :rage:    

http://wales.gov.uk/docs/statistics/2011/110329wimdsummaryreviseden.pdf

I recently (7 March) asked for some information from the town council using the FOIA and I have still not received all of it despite the fact that the mandatory 20 days came and went ages ago.  Once I have the rest of the information I will publish it on here if allowed by D and I to do so.
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Re: Local Politics
« Reply #193 on: May 07, 2011, 02:36:09 pm »
 :o Yorkie leave those poor councillors alone,you know how much they strive to make Llandudno a better[ghost] town. :rage:

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« Reply #194 on: May 07, 2011, 04:23:39 pm »
Don't play all innocence with me Wrex,  you know them better than I do!   I think we sat next door but one to each other!    ZXZ

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