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Offline wrex

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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2011, 07:18:07 pm »
Why not cancel the rally and leave the orme open to the thousands of November tourists. I will admit i was surprised when i heard u would have to pay,so i will not bother, but im still glad Llandudno will make a few quid and massive publicity.

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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2011, 07:24:48 pm »
I have been involved in motorsport since 1969, including being an official of the local club almost all that time ... and the fact that we (North Wales Car Club) have helped bring back Britain's major car rally, the final round of the World Championship. to the town gives me and my fellow cliub members a great sense of acheivement and pride, a feat that will benefit the various businesses in town and the hotels during their "quiet" period.

This came about as a result of the highly successful Rallyfest of 2010 and the forward-thinking of the Conwy Borough and Llandudno Town Councils - two organisations often criticised for not supporting events in the towns.

True, some people will be inconvenienced.  That is an unfortunate thing that happens when something major is on your doorstep, whether it be a car rally, a cycle race, running, sailing, major football tournament, Victorian extravaganza, evening Christmas shopping or simply too many tourists clogging up the town.  You can never please all of the people all of the time.

I have volunteered to help with the forthcoming Wales Rally GB, only a small task but I will be stationed on the Orme armed with a radio.  Having been to a training session I find it unbelievable just how much has gone on behind the scenes to ensure that everyone is kept safe (hundreds of marshals for just the three miles or competitive road), marshals all around the town to assist with traffic flow, and a huge task of visiting all the residences and giving them the chance to acquire passes so that they can, as closely as possible, carry on their daily lives.

True, the Orme will be "closed" for the duration.  For very good reasons - to be able to run the event smoothly, efficiently and above all, safely.  The Marine Drive has been closed for a few motorsport events this year - the Three Castles, the Cambrian, the Mini Britannia and now the Wales Rally GB.  That has involved just five days in which you are not allowed (by law, please note) to walk, cycle or drive around the Orme during the "closed" times.

To say that perhaps a walker may get hit by a speeding car is a total red herring - there will be no walkers on the "stage" - they would be breaking the law by being there, there will be many marshals to guide them to safety.  So anyone even thinking about trying that on would be well advised to take their daily constitution along the Promenade (watch out for cyclists) or perhaps the path from West Shore towards Conwy, where they will be able to roam unhindered.

For those who remember the RAC Rally using the Orme the last time was in 1981!!!  It may have been free then, but unfortunately, these days the event organisers see fit to charge £20 for the privilege of seeing the world's top drivers in action.  It is still a lot cheaper than the cost of attending a Championship Division football match or, I am sure, County Cricket when it is held in Colwyn Bay.  Whether or not you find the Citroëns, Fords and so-called Minis as exciting as Vauxhall Chevettes, Opel Mantas, Ford Escort Mk2's, Toyota Celica, Renault 5 Turbo, Sunbeam-Lotus, Lancia Stratos and Alpine-Renaults only you can judge (I know which I prefer watching!).

If you are against paying £20 to attend the event then did you go and watch the recent Cambrian Rally?  Twice as many cars, intense competition and for just a small parking charge!

To those of you who are "against" the event, then please bear with is - there are 360 days in the year when there is no motorsport in town, so plenty of time to enjoy the Orme (as I do myself, on foot or bicycle).  To those of who who are "for" the event - thank you - enjoy!


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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2011, 09:08:57 pm »
I understand everything you say but you seem to have missed the point.   Many of us are NOT against the Rally, in fact welcome it to the town.

But we would like to wander the parts of the Orme that are NOT required for the cars or the spectators.

My feeling is that the whole Orme has been closed purely so that anyone wanting to visit this Country Park has to cough up £20 for the privilidge.

Can I visit a grave?  Can I walk on the limestone pavement?  Can I photograph wild flowers and birds?  No, because some one has decided to make an exemption order to prevent anyone visiting the area!

I take it that after the event a few walls will no doubt need repairing, including the one damaged at the last rally.   I wonder how long it will take for that to be done.
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Re: Cambrian Rally/Rally GB
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2011, 09:25:38 pm »
I think according to an Arriva  notice on the bus shelter that the Number 73 buses will not be running on the day of the Rally

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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2011, 09:31:24 pm »
This Rally is so important to the area that the County Council have devoted  all the following space to publicising it on the CCBC Events Website.

10 November 2011

Llandudno will host the opening stage of the 2011 Wales Rally GB, the final round of the World Rally Championship. Why not come along and see stars such as Sebastian Loeb and Petter Solberg battle it out around the iconic Great Orme or visit the medieval opening ceremony on Conwy Quay?

Great Orme Stage: Adults - £20, Children - £1

Contact Details:
Ms Natalie Houghton
Marine Drive, Great Orme, Llandudno, LL30 2LR
Tel: 01492 575943

Email: natalie.houghton1@conwy.gov.uk
Web: www.walesrallygb.com

Open Hours: 12.00 noon to 8.00pm

Rates Admission
Adult £20.00
Child £1.00
Family Ticket -
Seniors Rate -
     
___________HOW PATHETIC

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Re: Cambrian Rally/Rally GB
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2011, 09:39:02 pm »
My feeling is that the whole Orme has been closed purely so that anyone wanting to visit this Country Park has to cough up £20 for the privilidge.
I agree with Yorkie.  :o I welcome the Rally coming to Llandudno. No-one is disputing that the Marine Drive and all ways onto it from the Orme should be closed. But I see no reason whatsoever why all the paths up to, across and round the Summit need to be closed - no rally car is going within half a mile of there, so any talk of 'safety issues' is patent nonsense!

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« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2011, 10:02:41 pm »
DVT, welcome to the Three Towns Forum.

Let’s please get one thing clear I have not seen one post that is against the event.

However, just because a spectator now has to pay £20 to watch the rally it does not guarantee they will still not walk on to Marine Drive.

The purchase of a viewing ticket does not appear to include any Terms & Conditions that absolve you of any responsibility so why do it?

As a long-standing member of NWCC, you will be aware there is no history of any accidents at a car rally going around the Great Orme so why now insist on closing it altogether and make a charge?

Will your club receive the financial benefit of this initiative while CCBC pick up all the set-up costs?

I would not be surprised if the set-up costs in the end will far outweigh the projected income.

Surely, it would have been far easier (and a more popular move after 30 years) for your sport to let everyone go onto the Great Orme on Thursday, 10 November and be free to do whatever they want to do.

That has always been the case.

Has the Great Orme ever been closed before?

BTW, I still feel aggrieved about being misled into paying a £5 car parking charge on the Great Orme for the Cambrian Rally when my intention was to pay £1.10 in the Summit Car Park. FYI, I was informed yesterday blocking the Bishop’s Quarry Road with cones has not gone down well with CCBC either.

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2011, 08:48:47 am »
I wonder if they have considered that the road to the Summit and the Cemetery road down to Marine Drive are both public highways and have applied for the necessary road closure orders.
Also Marine Drive is marked as having a maximum permissable speed of 30 mph.   I wonder has a suitable order has been made to cover that?

Also it is known that the road surface on Marine drive is of a light construction and was designed to only take light traffic - one reason why commercial vehicles and large coaches are banned.  There could be considerable damage done to the surface by hard driven speeding cars particularly on bends and corners.  I can see us being handed a large repair bill for post Rally repairs.

Paul Evans of Highways can supply all the technical stuff!    >?>??
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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2011, 12:37:44 pm »
All positive in my view, tho I'm sure like the forthcoming rally in Llandudno there will be the usual negativity from the nimbys.

Jack, I suggest you carry out some research into what is meant by a nimby.

Yorkie, the Orders for all the closure of relevant roads, bridleways and footpaths was on Page 40 of the North Wales Pioneer dated the 19 October 2011.

I cannot find it in the Llandudno edition of the NWWN dated Thursday, 20 October 2011 so it will probably be in next week.

For the record, this morning I have received a private message explaining the £5 car park rip-off was not the responsibility of NWCC but more likely to be the responsibility of a farmer with a field on the Great Orme.

I apologise for possibly accusing the NWCC but the individuals involved in the scam were wearing yellow tabards, using directional arrows and selling Cambrian Rally programmes to help authenticate what they were doing.

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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2011, 02:40:42 pm »
..wearing yellow tabards, using directional arrows and selling Cambrian Rally programmes to help authenticate what they were doing.
An out and out scam, then?

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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2011, 07:57:19 am »
What would you call it, DaveR?

Anyway, for those of you who missed the 2 x Public Notices and just in case they miss the NWNN this Thursday:

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/launch.aspx?referral=other&refresh=gB02L13a0oA7&PBID=4e24e06c-c981-405e-9ef0-f1c3aec8f4fc&skip=

They are both on page 40.

Does anyone know if the cash receipts from all the ticket sales (£20) including processing fee (£5.25), booking fee (£1.70) and postage (£4.95) will be going to CCBC and not to Wales Rally GB 2011 as I fear?

http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=gb_wales&query=detail&event=452534&referral_id=walesrally2011

Wait a minute......Is that correct?

£31.90 for a £20 ticket.  :o

I hope there is going to be a Promotion Code for residents of Conwy county?


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« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2011, 09:07:06 pm »
  Going back around a dozen posts ----- charges Adult £20.00  Child £1.00.     Seems very odd to say the least.  Anyone thought of a possible misprint, say Adult £20 Child £10.   More in line with common practice.

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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2011, 11:29:24 am »
  I've just read the post from Craigydonian a few days ago.  It appears that he has taken my earlier post about 137 or so members of a golf society wanting to play on the day of the rally seriously. I am sure most of the forum will realise that these 137 golfers are a figment of my imagination.
   The humourous post was meant to show that a devious person (me) and a devious Solicitor (fictional) could go after the dreaded C O M P E N S A T ION and to hell with the golfers!!!

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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2011, 07:05:40 pm »
ormegolf, are you sure Craigydonian is a male?     ?{}?

FYI, children 9-15 are definitely £1 only.

Children 8 and under are free.

Those prices are very attractive but do not forget the two special stages going around the Great Orme are being held when children should really be in school.   

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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2011, 07:35:47 pm »
Even if it is a misprint it'd too late now, if the leaflet says £1 won't they have to honour that?  Then again like Bri says kids will be in school anyway.
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