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Offline Ian

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« Reply #705 on: March 15, 2014, 08:38:25 am »
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Re: Crime and criminals
« Reply #706 on: March 16, 2014, 07:54:29 pm »

Make sure you keep your doors and windows locked if you live in Gogarth ward. Opportunist thieves are on the prowl and have hit two properties on Hill Terrace in the last week.  $angry1$
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« Reply #707 on: March 22, 2014, 01:25:31 am »
I noticed on the TV news that Llandudno Police Officer Gary Donnelly was found guilty of Sexual Assault of a minor, and jailed for 18 months at the Crown Court.
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« Reply #708 on: March 27, 2014, 01:01:35 pm »
I was quite shocked by this if I'm honest I really thought/hoped he was innocent, just goes to show you never know.  I have to say though as much as i really did like and respect Gary as a police officer I can't understand why he only got 18 months.  This sentence seems very lenient given the charges and the age of the girl.  Also the way the case was reported by the Daily Post seemed very odd it almost suggested that we should feel sorry for Gary and his actions were somewhat justified as he had not long lost his wife.  Well I'm sorry but if I was the mother of the young girl involved these excuses and apparent reasons would simply not be good enough.
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« Reply #709 on: March 28, 2014, 04:14:41 pm »

  As to the possible punishment then I expect no more than
a slap on the wrist for the female with perhaps community service for the male.
Arriva though should put a long ban on this couple travelling in their vehicles.

Jason Fallas received a four month suspended jail sentance and must do 100 hours unpais work, pay £200.00 compensation and £165.00 costs and attend "victim sympathy sessions"
 
Chelsea Fallas received a 12 month community order with 300 hours unpaid work and a "positive thinking workbook" and must pay £150.00 compensation and £145.00 costs.

The Magistrates declined to make an order requested by Arriva Buses banning them from their services.

The defending solicitor said that they were now remorseful

If I was Arriva they should introduce the ban anyway after all they don't have to carry such people.     Who will be paying the fines I wonder?

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Re: Crime and criminals
« Reply #710 on: March 28, 2014, 05:11:12 pm »
as i said hugo ,we WILL be paying ,and will they do the service ,mmm

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« Reply #711 on: March 28, 2014, 06:55:23 pm »
What normally happens now Norman is that people make an application to pay in instalments and any unpaid fines from any previous fines are also taken into account and yes you're right we will end up paying the fine.
As for Arriva they should ban them from their buses for a long time so as to defer any other yobs from doing the same.

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« Reply #712 on: April 07, 2014, 04:24:40 pm »
http://open.justice.gov.uk/how-it-works/

If someone says they can't pay a fine straight away, they can ask the court if they can pay in instalments. The court may or may not agree to this.

If someone doesn't pay a fine, the court can get payment in other ways.

These include:

•further court hearings
•clamping and possibly selling an offender's car
•taking money directly from an offender's wages or benefits
•bailiffs coming to an offender's home to seize possessions
In extreme cases where a person continues to not pay their fine, they may be sent to prison.


I read this page a few times and nowhere did I see that in any circumstances the fine would have to be paid by Norman and Hugo - so you can sleep easy at night boys  ???

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« Reply #713 on: April 07, 2014, 05:46:03 pm »
I can see it! If it's taken from the benefits, then indirectly we are all paying!  &shake&
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« Reply #714 on: April 07, 2014, 10:47:42 pm »
I can see it! If it's taken from the benefits, then indirectly we are all paying!  &shake&

Yes, the majority will have to pay for their unacceptable behaviour but weren't the Magistrates a bit harsh on those two poor souls making them do something that is completely alien to them
Jason     Fallas      100 hours  "unpaid WORK"         :o
Chelsea Fallas      300 hours  "unpaid WORK"          :o

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« Reply #715 on: April 08, 2014, 07:29:23 am »
They will be in shock from that!  :o  :o
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« Reply #716 on: April 08, 2014, 07:34:39 am »
Perhaps the Mikado had it right all along. Trouble is we're bound too much by ancient (some might say primitive) concepts, such as the biblical middah ke-neged middah (an eye for an eye, figuratively) but I suspect the real problem lies not with serious crimes or offenders but with criminality deemed 'trivial' by the Justice system but which the ordinary person finds not simply repugnant but utterly anti-social.

There's long been a theory of justice which extols the virtues of meeting minor criminality head on through retributive means as opposed to simply taking revenge (one extreme) or meting out minor punishment (the other). Thus the couple involved in verbally abusing a bus official might be deemed to have inflicted specifically mental and emotional damage, so would be treated in a similar way. The problems arise when trying to construct the system, which would have to be different for each criminal.

On the question of 'who pays' the field becomes much more confusing.  In effect, we all pay for everyone who is hauled before the Beak because we all pay taxes. And let's not forget that's only the tip of the iceberg: we also all pay for the Tax collector, the Police, the education of their children (particularly galling if you don't have kids yourself, I imagine), the roads, the sand in the North shore (?), the swan droppings in the West, the rich who cleverly salt their hard-earned in off-shore trusts to deny the exchequer its dues, the people counting the goats, the bombs dropped on Afghanistan and so on.  In fact, all in all the huge amount we pay towards our society dwarfs any tiny fine handed down to low level offenders.

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Re: Crime and criminals
« Reply #717 on: April 08, 2014, 10:53:30 am »
Well put  $good$
 
And we don't know that they are both on benefits either. This was just assumed long ago down the thread and taken as gospel, people who work do commit crimes as well.

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« Reply #718 on: April 08, 2014, 01:12:43 pm »
Yes that was well put Ian as we all contribute to society with our payment of taxes whether they are by direct or indirect taxation and that is only fair.  The only unfairness is with the minority of people who think that society owes them a living and although they are physically and mentally capable of work they prefer to live off the efforts of others.
One thing you are correct on BTR is that some people who work do commit crimes, as well as some  on benefits, as we have seen on TV concerning the Tory politician.


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« Reply #719 on: April 08, 2014, 02:05:02 pm »
born to run believe me the whole family are on benefits have done since they moved here ,and yes that is another belting story ,and one where you knew they wouldn,t serve a sentence .