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Offline Yorkie

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« Reply #585 on: July 19, 2013, 06:19:49 pm »
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Now seems to me that our area now has caught up on  crime, drug scene ,assault etc

Nope.  It's nothing near, Linda.  My niece and Nephew are both Met officers and crime in the cities is much, much worse.

As an ex Met Officer myself, I am also still very much in touch with friends and relatives in the London area.   All crime can be generally accounted for as a direct ratio to the size of the population in each area, just as can the sale of Baked Beans.  Crime in London or any of the other big cities can statistically appear worse purely due to the larger numbers.   Murder, robbery, it makes no difference, we all get our share unless for some obscure reason we are a statistical oddity.

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« Reply #586 on: July 19, 2013, 06:37:59 pm »
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Murder, robbery, it makes no difference, we all get our share unless for some obscure reason we are a statistical oddity.

Very true. 
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« Reply #587 on: July 19, 2013, 07:40:48 pm »
Just passed the Lilly on West Shore around 7.15pm and it is heaving outside, in the bar and in the restaurant.

Yet the West Shore café, which was recently successful in obtaining a drinks licence, was closed.


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« Reply #588 on: July 19, 2013, 08:08:22 pm »
Was it just me, or did anyone else feel any ground tremors at about mid-day today?   I'm in Penrhyn Bay and I felt the tremors over a quite short period of time. 
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« Reply #589 on: July 19, 2013, 09:58:29 pm »
We are just off Dinerth Road and did not notice anything at all. The earth didn't move for us!  :laugh:
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« Reply #590 on: July 19, 2013, 11:39:14 pm »
We obviously have to agree to defer on your softly softly approach Ian,. When i first moved to North Wales my husband was a police officer having worked in Manchester his 'beat' Moss side,coming here was wonderful in a way that the crime rate was so low .Not the same worry about his safety. Try explaining to the families of victims that there loved ones have been attacked, killed by someone who clearly had severe mental problems and that was known to the authorities to be a risk. Example (No names) child dragged out of a tent in Craigydon and murdered a number of years ago, numerous others also. As far as overseas atrocities other than support the revelant charities I feel theres little to be done by the likes of me. The great compassion I feel towards these youngsters as a mother I would like to gather them and put them somewhere safe.
In brief answer to the British attitude towards masturbation its a damn good job most of the public has control as and where  :o .   I agree there should be no shame attached but keep it private!!!!!!!!

Why does your Husband being a Police Officer make any difference? 

As for the Sophie Hook murder, the purpetrator was convicted and sentenced accordingly.

What does one do about the Madeleine McCann case where the child was allegedly abducted after being left unattended, and without supervision, whilst the parents went out for dinner and drinks with their friends?  Have the parents been castigated?  No!  Has any other child ever attracted so much attention, involved so much Police time, and cost so much money?  No!   And all because she was left alone with her younger siblings, and without protection.

If parents put their children at risk they must accept the blame.

That is so wrong, in otherwords are you saying the Parents of these unfortunate children are more to blame than the Perverts committing the crime. &shake&

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« Reply #591 on: July 19, 2013, 11:46:48 pm »
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Now seems to me that our area now has caught up on  crime, drug scene ,assault etc

Nope.  It's nothing near, Linda.  My niece and Nephew are both Met officers and crime in the cities is much, much worse.

As an ex Met Officer myself, I am also still very much in touch with friends and relatives in the London area.   All crime can be generally accounted for as a direct ratio to the size of the population in each area, just as can the sale of Baked Beans.  Crime in London or any of the other big cities can statistically appear worse purely due to the larger numbers.   Murder, robbery, it makes no difference, we all get our share unless for some obscure reason we are a statistical oddity.




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Im not an aggresive lady. Yorkie and i see no reason for you to shake that truncheon at me. :D I havent checked statistics as im too busy looking after children and elderley relatives.

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« Reply #592 on: July 20, 2013, 12:03:15 am »
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Now seems to me that our area now has caught up on  crime, drug scene ,assault etc

Nope.  It's nothing near, Linda.  My niece and Nephew are both Met officers and crime in the cities is much, much worse.

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All children should be safe playing and maybe they would be safer if we were not so lenient with some of these sentences.That is my argument

Not true.  More children were abused and killed years ago than now. Check out the stats.  And don't forget: it's not strangers that abuse children: in the main it's family relatives and friends. In fact, apart from families and friends, children are safer today than they've ever been.

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As far as overseas atrocities other than support the relevant charities I feel theres little to be done by the likes of me.

I don't understand that. How do the atrocities 'overseas' differ in any way at all from the subject we were discussing? They both involved 'children', you personally knew neither of the parties and they both involve needless suffering, although possibly not the Tunney affair.  The only differences as far as I can see is that the overseas issues are far more severe and they're further away. How does that stop anyone posting about them?
You only showed part of my post there Ian as i finished it off with as a mother  i wish i could gather those children and put them somewhere safe. (meaning those abroad suffering).

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« Reply #593 on: July 20, 2013, 12:07:57 am »
I think its time to hand this section back to Whats Llandudno like right now? As we could bounce back and forth with this till the cows come home or give it another section.

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« Reply #594 on: July 20, 2013, 01:10:57 am »
I think its time to hand this section back to Whats Llandudno like right now? As we could bounce back and forth with this till the cows come home or give it another section.

Anyone will know that the crime rate in any of our cities has to be huge. I have a daughter in London and I am a Manchester girl originally, all i did was loosely make a observation over what i saw and read. I didnt expect my post to be ripped apart ..  :D
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« Reply #595 on: July 20, 2013, 07:04:13 am »

Im not an aggresive lady. Yorkie and i see no reason for you to shake that truncheon at me. :D I havent checked statistics as im too busy looking after children and elderley relatives.


Not shaking a truncheon at anyone it particular, Linda.  I tend to use the "smileys" in any old ad hoc manner.  However, now that you have pointed out the significance of that one, I will try to use it only where the "hidden message" will not cause offence.  Especially in respect of non aggressive members of the fairer sex.   
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« Reply #596 on: July 20, 2013, 07:59:59 am »
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You only showed part of my post there Ian as i finished it off with as a mother  i wish i could gather those children and put them somewhere safe. (meaning those abroad suffering).

I only quoted the part to which I was responding, Linda. My point was that we're extremely parochial when it comes to crime and we only seem interested in crimes that happen in our locality, unless it's something massive, like a terrorist attack. It's curious:  why do we care more about an event involving people none of use knows because it's on our doorstep instead of much, much worse events taking place miles away? But we want debate about things like this, because debate helps clarify the issues surrounding the events.

In this case, for instance, the initial reports suggested some sort of predatory paedophile, and it took the detective work of Fatandy to find out the relevant details which then cast the case in a whole new light.  My point throughout has been that we all tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to stories well before we know the full facts.  This isn't an isolated incident: some years ago a mob attacked the home and person of a Paediatric consultant after the News of the World named him as an abuser.

If we live in a society that wants to be called civilised, then we have to ensure that the Law deals with crime, and not the lynch mob. We might not like the sentence, because we don't know all the facts, but sentences can be (and often are) appealed. 

There's more at stake than simple revenge. Throughout history - even as far back as Genesis - there have been people saying that we have to be cautious when dealing with criminal allegations and subsequent penalties, the most famous being Blackstone's formulation ("It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer").  I have two children - now grown, as are your own, but had anyone ever injured them when they were young I would have wanted to tear them limb from limb. But I recognise that's the hindbrain talking, and not the forebrain.
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« Reply #597 on: July 20, 2013, 10:20:20 am »
Here's an interesting  ethical dilemma:

From the BBC:

"Five prison officers have been suspended as police investigate claims a Woolwich murder suspect was injured while being restrained.

Michael Adebolajo reportedly lost teeth in an incident at London's Belmarsh Prison on Wednesday.

The Prison Officers Association denied any wrongdoing by officers saying a prisoner was restrained using approved techniques.

The suspect is accused of killing Fusilier Lee Rigby in May.

The POA has criticised the Ministry of Justice for failing to take action to stop what it called "sensationalist reporting" of the incident.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, POA chairman Peter McParlin said: "The reports that were initially put out to the press were saying that the prisoner had been attacked.

"Prison staff do not attack prisoners. We feel that the Ministry of Justice missed an opportunity to correct false reporting of events at Belmarsh."

He said that, although restraint techniques were designed to minimise injuries to staff and prisoners, "sometimes there are unforeseen consequences in any violent incident".
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Offline Linda

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« Reply #598 on: July 20, 2013, 10:21:50 pm »

Im not an aggresive lady. Yorkie and i see no reason for you to shake that truncheon at me. :D I havent checked statistics as im too busy looking after children and elderley relatives.


Not shaking a truncheon at anyone it particular, Linda.  I tend to use the "smileys" in any old ad hoc manner.  However, now that you have pointed out the significance of that one, I will try to use it only where the "hidden message" will not cause offence.  Especially in respect of non aggressive members of the fairer sex.   
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Good, then i wont have to send in my team  :>:> :>:>  8)

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« Reply #599 on: July 21, 2013, 12:53:57 am »
Ian, this issue about caring less about major events far away, as opposed to less serious ones on our own doorstep is probably an inbuilt defence mechanism which serves to keep us sane.
I for one could not begin to know where to start in terms of sympathising with those suffering the horrors which are perpetrated throughout the world.   Heaven knows, we still 'celebrate' burning an effigy of Guido Fawkes at the stake.

I think Star Treks's Dr McCoy said it best , when he said...

'Suffer the death of they neighbour?  .... surely you wouldn't wish that upon us''

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