Crime and criminals

[Linda]

Mother of three, nana to four kiddies. If anyone harmed any of mine I would do the deed. whether considered revenge or not . To take a life or ruin a child justice must prevail and yes Yorkie i agree with you that the system we have is no deterrent . We are too soft in this country that's why we have so many sick dangerous people out in the community. Capital punishment is  not just for revenge ,but is removing
the chance of that person in question doing it again. How can anyone think of pampering this murderer of poor little April let alone feeding him a meal. Throw him into the hardest women's prison we have and leave  the women to deal with the lowlife scum.

[Linda]

Just an additional note hear. I know i feel emotional hearing this little April Jones case. but I suggest that anyone that feels we need to tread lightly with these criminals take a look at the details of this little girls case on the tv news now. We will foot the bill for this animal who did this for the next 25 or so years. I rest my case.

[Hugo]

I don't want to see atrocities at all - but I certainly don't want to add to man's inhumanity by allowing poor people who can't afford good lawyers and those afflicted with mental illness to die at our own hands. 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'

I must agree with BTR but even in the criminal world there is a certain code of conduct and I hope that they dispense their justice within the prison walls.

[Merddin Emrys]

I think that in some cases capital punishment can be justified very easily, but how do you make the law work? For example if someone shot a burglar they could be charged with murder then in theory subject to capital punishment, yet most people would think that's not right! I still say that it will not deter those of unsound mind.

[Ian]

I'm moving these recent posts into Crime and Punishment, folks.

[Yorkie]

I think that in some cases capital punishment can be justified very easily, but how do you make the law work? For example if someone shot a burglar they could be charged with murder then in theory subject to capital punishment, yet most people would think that's not right! I still say that it will not deter those of unsound mind.

Any trial for homicide has to be defended or suicidal maniacs would be confessing all over the place.

There are such defence arguments to Murder as Attempted Murder, Joint Enterprise, Causation, Manslaughter, Voluntary Manslaughter, Diminished Responsibility, Loss of Control, Suicide Pact, Involuntary Manslaughter, Gross Negligence Manslaughter, Medical Manslaughter, Unlawful Act Manslaughter, Encouraging or Assisting Suicide, Infanticide, Familial Deaths and Serious Physical Harm, Shaken Baby Syndrome (SBS) and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), and Self-defence to name but a few.

With so many avenues, any Defence Counsel worth his salt would ensure that if there was the slightest doubt of a person's guilt, he would be able to produce a lesser and non- capital result.  Consequently, we would not be sending criminals to their ultimate demise on a daily basis.

[Yorkie]

Perhaps I should qualify the last paragraph and add the words "of the capital offence" after the word guilt.

[Fester]

Just an additional note hear. I know i feel emotional hearing this little April Jones case. but I suggest that anyone that feels we need to tread lightly with these criminals take a look at the details of this little girls case on the tv news now. We will foot the bill for this animal who did this for the next 25 or so years. I rest my case.

I would soon cure this type of problem, by putting a small piece of lead in the offenders ear.

[Linda]

A good part of me agrees with that little piece of lead Fester, but maybe a little too kind after the horrors that these kids have gone through. As things stand now every paedophile and murderer thinks the worst that can happen is a warm cell and (treatment) for their mental conditions to make them better people. They eat and shower  allowed to read and learn. Those Kids and other victims have had their lives terminated, never to do anything good in life again. These criminals have a better life in Jail than some of our senior citizens in certain carehomes and the lives of some pensioners struggling in their own homes to feed clothe and keep warm.
Yet all this money is spent to keep these murderers alive. When proven guilty zero tolerance im afraid. If you have a dog that badly hurts someone it gets put down as it is a very dangerous animal. Anyone who physically abuses or kills a child or anyone for that matter is an animal and therefore should be treated as such.
I do believe this to be the case when as Yorkie implied forensics have come so far as there will be no shadow of doubt of guilt. 

[DaveR]

 

A WOMAN was attacked and repeatedly punched by a man in the view of passing motorists.

The woman in her 30s was attacked after an altercation on the pavement between Tesco's roundabout and the Weekly News roundabout at around 8pm last night.

Investigating Officer PC Gary James at Llandudno Police Station said: "The woman was attacked and repeatedly punched by a man described as bald and aged in his 40s.   The assault was in full view of passing motorists and I’d appeal to anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed the incident to contact Police as soon as possible by phoning 101 or Crimestoppers”

PC James added: “Fortunately the woman, who is local, was not seriously injured but this was clearly a very distressing incident and totally unacceptable.”

North Wales Police can be contacted on 101 or anonymously via Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111 and quote reference RC13086773.

[DaveR]

One topic we've never really covered on the forum are the shocking events at North Wales Childrens Homes in the 1970s, 80s and 90s, where the abuse of children (both physical and sexual) was carried out on a regular, almost systematic basis. With the recent publication of the previously whitewashed Jillings Report, more questions are now being asked as to whether the abuse was organised at a very high level or was simply the result of a group of paedophiles operating independently. Some victims allege that sections within North Wales Police and senior politicians were actively involved in the abuse and they say that the cover-up is still continuing today.

In November 2012 Roger Dobson for the Independent revealed how both North Wales Police and Clwyd County Council actively tried to prevent the Jillings Enquiry carrying out its investigation:

The then newly appointed North Wales Chief Constable refused to meet them or help with access to the police major-incident database. "We were disappointed at the apparent impossibility of obtaining a breakdown of data. We are unable to identify the overall extent of the allegations received by the police in the many witness statements which they took.''

Some one hundred and thirty boxes of material handed over by the council to the police were not made available to the panel and the Council did not allow the panel to place a notice in the local press seeking information.

In his report Mr Jillings said “What we found was horrific and on a significant scale. If the events in children's homes in North Wales were to be translated into a film, Oliver Twist would seem relatively benign. The scale of what happened, and how it was allowed, are a disgrace, and stain on the history of child care in this country.”

Following the publication of the later Whitehouse report, Welsh MP Martyn Jones described the report as "a whitewash” and threatened to use parliamentary privilege to expose protected child abusers. During a debate in parliament, he complained that the report did not name politicians, police officers and judges suspected of abuse during the inquiry.


Please be aware that these Reports/Articles can contain disturbing material.

There is some background to the whole scandal in this Telegraph article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10177681/The-truth-behind-the-child-abuse-cover-ups.html

I've recently read the Whitehouse 'Lost In Care' Report, you can read it here. Local Childrens homes in Llandudno & Colwyn Bay are covered, as well as other North Wales childrens homes:
http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/http:/www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20102.htm

The heavily redacted Jillings Report can be read here:
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/news/jillings.htm

Victims Allegations re Paedophile Ring:
http://www.itv.com/news/2012-11-06/north-wales-police-handed-dozens-of-picture-of-abuse/

Please be very careful when commenting not to name anyone as a paedophile who has not previously been charged in connection with the child abuse.

[DaveR]

Waters have been muddied further today, with the appearance of a blog post by for a former alleged MI5 officer concerning the child abuse allegations:
http://macurstatement.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/review-statement-of-andrea-davison-1.html

[Big Alan]

And the evacuated kids from Liverpool at the start of World War 2? My mum still hates her 'adopted parents' has never told me why.

[DaveR]

'Interesting' story in the Daily Post today.

A man called John Tunney was arrested on Trinity Ave after asking two boys to take a photo of him and put it on the Internet. He offered them £250 to do so. It was only when the two boys approached his car that he realised that he was naked apart from wearing a women's bra and was 'engaged in sexual activity'.     

12 Months Suspended Sentence.

[DaveR]

I noticed yesterday whilst walking along the Prom that there are still no flags on the flagpoles. How ridiculous.

According to this FOI request from September last year, the Town Clerk said that:

"I regret that there have been no flags flown this year as the posts as the posts are in need of new fittings. It is hoped that this will be completed soon and flags will be flown, certainly for the next season. "

Well, the next Season is most certainly here...yet the flags are not. 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/flagpoles_on_promenade#incoming-314034