Crime and criminals

[Ludo]

Its easy now say it was only a joke - that was certainly not what it seemed like at the time. In the context of that discussion, I felt YOU were being serious in suggesting that the man who made possible the orbital mechanics of the Apollo missions and every other space mission involving orbital rendezvous before and since (eg the building of the ISS) was a yob.

In defence of Fester, I would suggest that we should all realise that the written word fails to give the correct impression as to intention, as it lacks the other small matters of body language, facial expression or tone of voice that one gets with the spoken word.  Consequently ones interpretation can often be incorrectly made, and misunderstanding can, and do, occur.

I too write in a somewhat direct manner and have a similar problem of occasional misunderstanding by the reader to some posts.

I trust you will interpret this post in the manner in which it is written!   

People hide behind devices such as devil's advocate and double entendres and denouncing later what they wrote as a 'joke' when they lack courage of conviction. It is then up to the reader to embark on the tedious process of teasing out the truth in a statement from someone who lacks the courage or written skills to express it clearly in the first instance. That was why I challenged Fester to clarify what he had written. I agree that 75 percent of communication is non verbal, but unfortunately in an online forum we have only the remaining 25% afforded us by the medium. Indeed the other point I made about Fester calling my post about the green weed 'crap' does not seem to have been misinterpreted by me in any way, and I still find his arrogant and ignorant reply to it offensive. However, I am prepared to forgive him as I see it was written at 1.42am on the Saturday night he had the altercation with the "drunken idiot who wanted to pick a fight with him, in front of his daughter!" so he was possibly p****d and out of control of his inhibitions.

(I think I have interpreted your post in the manner it was written)

[Yorkie]

Dank u wel.   Diolch yn fawr.

[born2run]

Its easy now say it was only a joke - that was certainly not what it seemed like at the time. In the context of that discussion, I felt YOU were being serious in suggesting that the man who made possible the orbital mechanics of the Apollo missions and every other space mission involving orbital rendezvous before and since (eg the building of the ISS) was a yob.

In defence of Fester, I would suggest that we should all realise that the written word fails to give the correct impression as to intention, as it lacks the other small matters of body language, facial expression or tone of voice that one gets with the spoken word.  Consequently ones interpretation can often be incorrectly made, and misunderstanding can, and do, occur.

I too write in a somewhat direct manner and have a similar problem of occasional misunderstanding by the reader to some posts.

I trust you will interpret this post in the manner in which it is written!   

People hide behind devices such as devil's advocate and double entendres and denouncing later what they wrote as a 'joke' when they lack courage of conviction. It is then up to the reader to embark on the tedious process of teasing out the truth in a statement from someone who lacks the courage or written skills to express it clearly in the first instance. That was why I challenged Fester to clarify what he had written. I agree that 75 percent of communication is non verbal, but unfortunately in an online forum we have only the remaining 25% afforded us by the medium. Indeed the other point I made about Fester calling my post about the green weed 'crap' does not seem to have been misinterpreted by me in any way, and I still find his arrogant and ignorant reply to it offensive. However, I am prepared to forgive him as I see it was written at 1.42am on the Saturday night he had the altercation with the "drunken idiot who wanted to pick a fight with him, in front of his daughter!" so he was possibly p****d and out of control of his inhibitions.

(I think I have interpreted your post in the manner it was written)

How very dare you! I know Fester very well and have never seen him consume any alcohol 

[Ludo]

Dank u wel.   Diolch yn fawr.

Graag gedaan! - Rydych yn croesawu!

[Ludo]

How very dare you! I know Fester very well and have never seen him consume any alcohol 

...so that was devil's advocate, double entendre or 'only joking' - or all three?

No one seems to read the Olympics thread... so I will post this disastrous German diver video here..

Its so funny, it reminds me of myself on holiday, with a couple of beers inside me...  Z**

[born2run]

How very dare you! I know Fester very well and have never seen him consume any alcohol 

...so that was devil's advocate, double entendre or 'only joking' - or all three?

No one seems to read the Olympics thread... so I will post this disastrous German diver video here..

Its so funny, it reminds me of myself on holiday, with a couple of beers inside me...  Z**

No I can quite honestly say I have never seen Fester consume alcohol... (he drinks it far too fast for me to see

 Z** Z**

[Ludo]

No I can quite honestly say I have never seen Fester consume alcohol... (he drinks it far too fast for me to see

 Z** Z**

I don't drink much either...



Z**



...I spill most of it! 

[Fester]

Good Lord, Ludo.

You do seem to be tying yourself up in lots of angst over this issue.
Even resorting to some  barbed comments, bordering on the personal.
But I'll have to let you off, seeing as you most likely have Parkinson's, as you admit to spilling most of your drinks.
Now, see how easy it is to have one of your 'jokes' misinterpreted dear boy?

At 1.42am I am often on the Forum, my work often demands that I cannot get to it until those times.

I do vaguely recall your long, rambling piece about green algae suggesting I sell it or suchlike.
I don't recall calling it crap though.... and I can't be arsed searching back for it.
However, if I said it the the time, then that must have been my opinion.
I must have genuinely thought it was crap, (albeit cleverly written crap)

Lots of things I say and do are most likely crap, (especially my investment portfolio eh Dave?  )  ..
Like my feeble attempts to grow some hair, or excel at Golf for example....and anyone has the right to say so, its a public forum after all.

[born2run]

Good Lord, Ludo.

You do seem to be tying yourself up in lots of angst over this issue.
Even resorting to some  barbed comments, bordering on the personal.
But I'll have to let you off, seeing as you most likely have Parkinson's, as you admit to spilling most of your drinks.
Now, see how easy it is to have one of your 'jokes' misinterpreted dear boy?

At 1.42am I am often on the Forum, my work often demands that I cannot get to it until those times.

I do vaguely recall your long, rambling piece about green algae suggesting I sell it or suchlike.
I don't recall calling it crap though.... and I can't be arsed searching back for it.
However, if I said it the the time, then that must have been my opinion.
I must have genuinely thought it was crap, (albeit cleverly written crap)

Lots of things I say and do are most likely crap, (especially my investment portfolio eh Dave?  )  ..
Like my feeble attempts to grow some hair, or excel at Golf for example....and anyone has the right to say so, its a public forum after all.

I had a look for that "crap" post (I really have too much time on my hands ) and I couldn't find anything


edit - it was this

"Anyway!!!!   ....After all that crap, it was busy in the old town tonight!   All the pubs were packed.   

By the way I have jars of green algae for sale (apparently) ..... £10 a pop,  not a bad price for the elixyr of life.
Form an orderly queue please."

[Fester]

Well there you go then, B2R.
After much digging you found the remark which has so profoundly exercised Ludo.
As I said earlier, it must have been my opinion at the time, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.

By the way, its nearly 2am, I'm only the Forum, and perfectly sober!   Work does that to a person.

Anyhow, earlier Ludo asked if I know the difference between a Blog and a Forum.
One would hope I do, seeing as I contribute regularly to both media.

A Forum is a place where open and free discussion is encouraged, but can be moderated if one steps out of line.
Looking at some of Ludo's earlier activities aimed in my direction, I would imagine that Messrs Ian and Dave would be closer to moderating HIM, rather than anything I have said.

A Blog is where someone can spout endless, unchecked and vitriolic diatribe, even straying into borderline harassment at times.
Hey,  ... hang on a minute, Ludo... do YOU know the difference between a blog and a forum??  :twoface:

[Ludo]

Well there you go then, B2R.
After much digging you found the remark which has so profoundly exercised Ludo.
As I said earlier, it must have been my opinion at the time, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.

By the way, its nearly 2am, I'm only the Forum, and perfectly sober!   Work does that to a person.

Anyhow, earlier Ludo asked if I know the difference between a Blog and a Forum.
One would hope I do, seeing as I contribute regularly to both media.

A Forum is a place where open and free discussion is encouraged, but can be moderated if one steps out of line.
Looking at some of Ludo's earlier activities aimed in my direction, I would imagine that Messrs Ian and Dave would be closer to moderating HIM, rather than anything I have said.

A Blog is where someone can spout endless, unchecked and vitriolic diatribe, even straying into borderline harassment at times.
Hey,  ... hang on a minute, Ludo... do YOU know the difference between a blog and a forum??  :twoface:

[MODERATED]

[born2run]

Did Ludocrus post that or was he actually moderated? - confused  :rage:

[Yorkie]

Did Ludocrus post that or was he actually moderated? - confused  :rage:

Someone will no doubt cry, "Masonic influence!", and as such it will remain a secret.     

[DaveR]

Did Ludocrus post that or was he actually moderated? - confused  :rage:

It would say 'Edited by DaveR' at the bottom of the post if I had moderated it. Additionally, I always post an explanation as to why the post has been edited.

[born2run]

Must be one of Ludo's jokes that is too clever for me to find funny then