Crime and criminals

[born2run]

Scum

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542634/Cameron-as-leader-of-the-Slightly-Silly-Party.html

Though sadly these ones don't have Liverpool or Manchester accents 

The Bullingdon modus operandi is to book a restaurant under a false name, smash it up, and throw large amounts of money at the upset owners — a form of behaviour which dates back to Victorian times.
Evelyn Waugh parodied the Bullingdon in Decline and Fall as the Bollinger Club and they were no more respected in 2004 when 17 members were arrested accused of destroying one of the rooms at a pub in Fyfield, Oxon.

They were actually quite discreet. They would take a room and then do whatever they wanted – drinking, vomiting and trashing it," said James Delingpole, who was on the outside looking in at Oxford.

[DaveR]

Which affected you in no way whatsoever. They weren't shouting at you were they? However If you're ever brave enough to venture out to Colwyn Bay again, I hope those nasty Mancunians have all been locked up and they're committing their unacceptable behavior far away from people who have been "brought up properly"

So you think threats of violence are acceptable? What an odd attitude.

And what about the family with young children that also witnessed it? Is that ok?

[DaveR]

Scum

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542634/Cameron-as-leader-of-the-Slightly-Silly-Party.html

Though sadly these ones don't have Liverpool or Manchester accents 

The Bullingdon modus operandi is to book a restaurant under a false name, smash it up, and throw large amounts of money at the upset owners — a form of behaviour which dates back to Victorian times.
Evelyn Waugh parodied the Bullingdon in Decline and Fall as the Bollinger Club and they were no more respected in 2004 when 17 members were arrested accused of destroying one of the rooms at a pub in Fyfield, Oxon.

They were actually quite discreet. They would take a room and then do whatever they wanted – drinking, vomiting and trashing it," said James Delingpole, who was on the outside looking in at Oxford.

Does this have anything to do with North Wales? 

[Hugo]

Which affected you in no way whatsoever. They weren't shouting at you were they? However If you're ever brave enough to venture out to Colwyn Bay again, I hope those nasty Mancunians have all been locked up and they're committing their unacceptable behavior far away from people who have been "brought up properly"

What an absolutely stupid and immature comment.

[born2run]

Scum

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542634/Cameron-as-leader-of-the-Slightly-Silly-Party.html

Though sadly these ones don't have Liverpool or Manchester accents 

The Bullingdon modus operandi is to book a restaurant under a false name, smash it up, and throw large amounts of money at the upset owners — a form of behaviour which dates back to Victorian times.
Evelyn Waugh parodied the Bullingdon in Decline and Fall as the Bollinger Club and they were no more respected in 2004 when 17 members were arrested accused of destroying one of the rooms at a pub in Fyfield, Oxon.

They were actually quite discreet. They would take a room and then do whatever they wanted – drinking, vomiting and trashing it," said James Delingpole, who was on the outside looking in at Oxford.

Does this have anything to do with North Wales? 

Yes it does, our prime minister and his friends affect North Wales greatly. Expect to see more 'scum' around as the Government  continues with their benefits cutting crusade.

[Paddy]

Scum

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542634/Cameron-as-leader-of-the-Slightly-Silly-Party.html

Though sadly these ones don't have Liverpool or Manchester accents 

The Bullingdon modus operandi is to book a restaurant under a false name, smash it up, and throw large amounts of money at the upset owners — a form of behaviour which dates back to Victorian times.
Evelyn Waugh parodied the Bullingdon in Decline and Fall as the Bollinger Club and they were no more respected in 2004 when 17 members were arrested accused of destroying one of the rooms at a pub in Fyfield, Oxon.

They were actually quite discreet. They would take a room and then do whatever they wanted – drinking, vomiting and trashing it," said James Delingpole, who was on the outside looking in at Oxford.

Does this have anything to do with North Wales? 

I'm guessing that the point B2R is trying to make is that some people who were "brought up properly" are also "scum".

[born2run]

Which affected you in no way whatsoever. They weren't shouting at you were they? However If you're ever brave enough to venture out to Colwyn Bay again, I hope those nasty Mancunians have all been locked up and they're committing their unacceptable behavior far away from people who have been "brought up properly"

What an absolutely stupid and immature comment.

If you're going to be directly insulting to my comment you should at least have the grace to explain why.
I will stand by the fact that these actions affected DaveR personally in no way whatsoever. I never said the actions of these people were 'acceptable' or not. As I don't generally go around making judgments to what is and isn't acceptable. I let the Police do that, and it seems to me they were not breaking the law. If they were causing a public disturbance then then the Police should, and I believe would have been called.

[SDQ]

Which affected you in no way whatsoever. They weren't shouting at you were they? However If you're ever brave enough to venture out to Colwyn Bay again, I hope those nasty Mancunians have all been locked up and they're committing their unacceptable behavior far away from people who have been "brought up properly"

What an absolutely stupid and immature comment.

If you're going to be directly insulting to my comment you should at least have the grace to explain why.
I will stand by the fact that these actions affected DaveR personally in no way whatsoever. I never said the actions of these people were 'acceptable' or not. As I don't generally go around making judgments to what is and isn't acceptable. I let the Police do that, and it seems to me they were not breaking the law. If they were causing a public disturbance then then the Police should, and I believe would have been called.

I have to disagree with your thinking that they were not breaking the law. From DaveR's post it looks like they were in contravention of Section 5 of the Public Order Act and had the police been in attendance they would have been warned about their language/behaviour and if they persisted they could be arrested.

[born2run]

 

In that case I hope the police were called and they were able to address them and help rectify the problem.
Sadly though I think  with the people behaving in that way they probably have addiction and/or mental health problems where help is much harder to come by.

[DaveR]

Scum

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542634/Cameron-as-leader-of-the-Slightly-Silly-Party.html

Though sadly these ones don't have Liverpool or Manchester accents 

The Bullingdon modus operandi is to book a restaurant under a false name, smash it up, and throw large amounts of money at the upset owners — a form of behaviour which dates back to Victorian times.
Evelyn Waugh parodied the Bullingdon in Decline and Fall as the Bollinger Club and they were no more respected in 2004 when 17 members were arrested accused of destroying one of the rooms at a pub in Fyfield, Oxon.

They were actually quite discreet. They would take a room and then do whatever they wanted – drinking, vomiting and trashing it," said James Delingpole, who was on the outside looking in at Oxford.

Does this have anything to do with North Wales? 

I'm guessing that the point B2R is trying to make is that some people who were "brought up properly" are also "scum".

If he is, then he's missed the point entirely. You can be rich, you can be poor...it doesn't have any bearing on your ability to act in a decent manner. If you're brought up properly, you don't behave like either members of the Bullingdon club OR the people who I saw yesterday. Class really doesn't come into it. It's about having respect for other people and the community around you.

[Hugo]

BTR.   I can't take you seriously as I think that your flippant remarks are made purely to encourage a debate on scum.    You don't have to make judgments on people but everyone is entitled to an opinion but when scum is mentioned you seem to be inconsistent with your definition of scum.
You attack the Bullingdon modus Operandii and quite rightly so in my humble opinion but then you leap to the defence of the scum who are not so well off but equally offensive to the general public by their anti social behaviour.
Anti social behaviour in all walks of life is unacceptable and should be recognised as such or do you think any different?

[born2run]

BTR.   I can't take you seriously as I think that your flippant remarks are made purely to encourage a debate on scum.    You don't have to make judgments on people but everyone is entitled to an opinion but when scum is mentioned you seem to be inconsistent with your definition of scum.
You attack the Bullingdon modus Operandii and quite rightly so in my humble opinion but then you leap to the defence of the scum who are not so well off but equally offensive to the general public by their anti social behaviour.
Anti social behaviour in all walks of life is unacceptable and should be recognised as such or do you think any different?

Firstly, I certainly did not 'leap to the defense' of anyone! I merely challenged if they should have been attacked in the first place. As I said I don't see that the incident is especially frightening or upsetting to anyone not directly involved in the situation. As to your second point I don't have a 'definition' of scum - but if I did. then that definition would not be aimed at those who are massively unfortunate but aimed at those who make them unfortunate in the first place and whose goal it is to keep them there.

Anti Social behavior is indeed unacceptable, on that we agree. I don't know how to correct that situation but I do know 100% that you do not correct it by calling certain types of people 'scum.' This is what happened in the 1980s when working class football fans were labelled as scum and indeed treated as such, I don't need to say what happened there.

Would I like to encourage a debate on scum? Yes! This is a forum after all and I think all debate and opinions, not least those that are in opposites to my own, are welcome and very healthy.

[Fester]

In Fester's answer to the issue of 'Crime and Punishment' that I outlined some weeks ago, (the points system) there would be no need to differentiate between the social backgrounds of different types of 'scum'

Accepting that anti-social behaviour is wrong, then Mr Cameron and his Bullingdon Club cronies might well be stuck on 2 points.

The protagonists in Colwyn Bay would also be awarded 2 points.

I am unsure which of them would be further along towards the 10 points euthanasia total.

A crime is a crime, a scumbag is a scumbag... and they need to be sorted out.

[DaveR]

Anti Social behavior is indeed unacceptable, on that we agree.

That's not what you said earlier, though? You indicated I should have regarded an incident, in which threats of violence were being issued, as being perfectly acceptable?

[Hugo]

BTR,   I still think that your inane comments and shifting stance on things are done not with any serious conviction but merely to stimulate a debate on an emotive subject. 
Everyone has a set of principals and standards of behaviour and we are entitled to those.
If you find it acceptable for people to behave in a manner described by DaveR when women and children are nearby then that is fine because you are entitled to that opinion.
Why is it though that I still believe that behind your eloquently expressed postings, your own personal standard bar is way above those you propose to champion?     It's a wind up and you've been rumbled.