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Title: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on June 19, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
We're all pretty certain that we could deal with some of the major issues that beset society better than the government, so here's where we can say what we'd do.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on June 19, 2011, 09:08:54 AM
It costs £730 million to prescribe methadone to recovering addicts and a further £1.2billion is spent looking after their ­children, bringing total costs of drug addiction to £3.6billion. What should society do?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DaveR on June 19, 2011, 09:17:30 AM
The 'War on Drugs' has never really worked, so I suppose legalisation and taxation should now be considered.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on June 19, 2011, 09:25:43 AM
Flogging, public humiliation, and long term improsonment.... for the SUPPLIERS !
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Yorkie on June 19, 2011, 09:31:11 AM
They made alcohol legal in the USA and this is the result.  The major drug problem in the States is Alcohol.

Alcohol Statistics
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 Each year, a typical young person in the United States is inundated with more than 1,000 commercials for beer and wine coolers and several thousand fictional drinking incidents on television.
Alcohol is involved in 50% of all driving fatalities.
In the United States, every 30 minutes someone is killed in an alcohol related traffic accident.
Over 15 million Americans are dependent on alcohol. 500,000 are between the age of 9 and 12.
Each year the liquor industry spends almost $2 billion dollars on advertising and encouraging the consumption of alcoholic beverages.
 Americans spend over $90 billion dollars total on alcohol each year.
An average American may consume over 25 gallons of beer, 2 gallons of wine, and 1.5 gallons of distilled spirits each year.
Pregnant women who drink are feeding alcohol to their babies. Unfortunately the underdeveloped liver of the baby can only burn alcohol at half the rate of its mother, so the alcohol stays in the baby's system twice as long.
Each year students spend $5.5 billion on alcohol, more then they spend on soft drinks, tea, milk, juice, coffee, or books combined.
56% of students in grade 5 to 12 say that alcohol advertising encourages them to drink.
6.6% of employees in full time jobs report heavy drinking, defined as drinking five or more drinks per occasion on five or more days in the past 30 days.
The highest percentage of heavy drinkers (12.2%) is found among unemployed adults between the age of 26 to 34
Up to 40% of all industrial fatalities and 47% of industrial injuries can be linked to alcohol consumption and alcoholism.
In 2000, almost 7 million persons age 12 to 20 was a binge drinker; that is about one in five persons under the legal drinking age was a binge drinker.
The 2001 survey shows 25 million (one in ten) Americans surveyed reported driving under the influence of alcohol. This report is nearly three million more than the previous year. Among young adults age 18 to 25 years, almost 23% drove under the influence of alcohol.
Drunk driving is proving to be even deadlier then what we previously know. The latest death statistics released by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), using a new method of calculation show that 17,488 people where killed in alcohol related traffic accidents last year. This report represents nearly 800 more people where killed than the previous year.
Alcohol is the number 1 drug problem in America.
43% of Americans have been exposed to alcoholism in their families.
Nearly one out of 4 Americans admitted to general hospitals have alcohol problems or are undiagnosed alcoholics being diagnosed for alcohol related consequences.
Alcohol and alcohol related problems is costing the American economy at least $100 million in health care and lost of productivity every year.
Four in ten criminal offenders report alcohol as a factor in violence.
Among spouse violence victims, three out of four incidents were reported to have involved alcohol use by the offender.
In 1996, local law enforcement agencies made an estimated 1,467,300 arrests nationwide for driving under the influence of alcohol.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on June 19, 2011, 10:02:52 AM
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Flogging, public humiliation, and long term improsonment.... for the SUPPLIERS !
They already provide the last of those, F, and I strongly suspect that those who routinely work in a business where they already risk death on a daily basis would be unduly concerned about the first two :-))

Yesss...I wasn't thinking alcohol when I created the topic, but you're right;  it's probably the No. 1 cause of violence and A & E admissions in the UK .
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on June 25, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
The Dowler family has been questioning if the 'price was too high' to bring Bellfield to Justice. But was it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/failed-by-the-law-the-police-and-the-media-2302547.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/failed-by-the-law-the-police-and-the-media-2302547.html)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/16/milly-dowler-murder-trial-levi-bellfield (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/16/milly-dowler-murder-trial-levi-bellfield)
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on July 16, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
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Flogging, public humiliation, and long term improsonment.... for the SUPPLIERS !


I think the majority of  people would express the same sentiments as Fester, but is it likely to happen NO because of the old British tradition of fair play!
In the meantime people are abusing the benefits system and it wants urgent reforming.  Extra benefits given to alcoholics for example, what does that encourage?   
Also the multiple fraudulent claims made, perhaps if each claimant was fingerprinted it would prevent the crooks from making multiple claims.
I can't see any objection to it apart from the do gooders brigade and perhaps then the money saved from the crooks could be used to increase the benefits to the genuine and deserving cases.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on July 16, 2011, 08:09:48 PM
The Thread is called 'What would you do' ... here's an idea.

Install a licensed bar in the Benefits office.  A one stop shop perhaps?

In this way, the claimants will get their benefit, and spend it all in the one place.
Thus keeping them out of my way,  and getting the money back off them and back into the system.

Simple!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DaveR on July 16, 2011, 09:04:20 PM
As Hugo pointed out on the other thread, the local Police should adopt a policy of taking alcohol from anyone found drinking on the street and pour it down the drain. Aren't most of the central Llandudno streets supposed to be alcohol free zones anyway?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Trojan on July 17, 2011, 07:04:13 AM
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The Thread is called 'What would you do' ... here's an idea.

Install a licensed bar in the Benefits office.  A one stop shop perhaps?

In this way, the claimants will get their benefit, and spend it all in the one place.
Thus keeping them out of my way,  and getting the money back off them and back into the system.

Simple!

 L0L Excellent!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2011, 08:37:52 AM
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the local Police should adopt a policy of taking alcohol from anyone found drinking on the street and pour it down the drain


I think that's an excellent idea which could be implemented without cost.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2011, 09:12:52 AM
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the local Police should adopt a policy of taking alcohol from anyone found drinking on the street and pour it down the drain


I think that's an excellent idea which could be implemented without cost.

No :o  confiscate it and resell it in the bar of the benefits office! a nice little erner  D)
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2011, 11:14:34 AM
But how much could you get for a half drunk can?

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the local Police should adopt a policy of taking alcohol from anyone found drinking on the street
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DaveR on July 17, 2011, 11:23:26 AM
Half normal price? WWW
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2011, 11:34:06 AM
"Used Ale"...there's a novel concept :-))))
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Nemesis on July 17, 2011, 01:14:46 PM
OMG -- Complete with whatever someone has spat into it ! Yeuk!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2011, 03:52:13 PM
the usual clientele would never notice  WWW  :laugh:
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Micox on July 18, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
Regular pub practice putting the dregs back in the barrel on tap. Z**
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2011, 06:34:02 PM
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Regular pub practice putting the dregs back in the barrel on tap. Z**
I remember the author Bill Bryson noting that very fact when he visited the Carlton!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Yorkie on July 18, 2011, 07:04:28 PM
One reason I don't drink beer!     Z**
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2011, 10:26:56 PM
The man in this article has given a death sentence to possibly NINE women..

So why should his life be spared?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14278583 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14278583)
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Trojan on July 26, 2011, 04:54:48 AM
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The man in this article has given a death sentence to possibly NINE women..

So why should his life be spared?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14278583 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14278583)

Suppose it's similar to the Amy Winehouse scenario, where some people claim she had the choice to take drugs and some people blame the drug dealers themselves for supplying the crap.

You could blame the man in this situation for infecting the women, or on the other hand you could blame the women for not making sure he was using protection.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on July 26, 2011, 08:44:10 AM
All I know is that between them, HE and those women who are aware, will unleash a wave of HIV that spreads exponentially.

Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2011, 08:49:15 AM
One point: HIV isn't a death sentence any longer, although the regimen of pills required to stave off its worst effects probably make it feel like one. 
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: crd on August 11, 2011, 11:54:10 AM
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The 'War on Drugs' has never really worked, so I suppose legalisation and taxation should now be considered.
It is a known fact that The methadone program is a stop gap measure the money would be better spent helping these people to overcome their addiction by providing detox and rehab facilities I think Amy Whinehouse father pointed this out to the Government successive MP have stated we need to get these people off benefits and into work but don’t seem to channel the money to the right place
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on January 13, 2013, 01:46:41 AM
See this article... 29 Police Officers injured whilst trying to keep the peace in Belfast.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20998867 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20998867)

So, what would I do?  A radical but sensible solution perhaps.

All those who set out to protest and stay out to cause trouble, admit them (from both sides, Loyalist and Republican) into an empty stadium, and let them kill each other.  The more the merrier.
Go on lads, get stuck in.

Give the police the night off, seeing as the only people who are getting injured are them, and they are the only ones not to blame.
 
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: ormegolf on January 13, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
   Hello Fester,   We all know that you a not meaning what you write. However, on a much smaller scale, this used to actually go on in the coastal towns of North Wales, Rhyl in particular.
   It was well known that on a Saturday night fights always broke out around the fairground area between the locals and the lads from up in the hills, Llansannan. Cerrig etc.  Another good place for a punchup was the Colwyn Bay pier bar.
  It was also well known that the Police didnt rush in at the first sign of trouble. If it was outside any premises they often took a standback for a bit so that they use up their energy before we move in approach. Mike
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on January 13, 2013, 09:28:24 PM
On this subject Mike, I DO mean what I have written.   I mean it with every fibre of my being.

I'm entirely sick of the police being in the firing line for all the hate-filled mobs in this world.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on January 14, 2013, 06:56:36 AM
NI is probably unique. I can't think of anywhere else in the developed world where riots occur over religion.  Ostensibly it's nationalism, but the root seems to be religious adherence.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2013, 10:47:44 AM
I saw this photo over on Facebook, what do people think about this issue?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Nemesis on March 19, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
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I saw this photo over on Facebook, what do people think about this issue?

Having just paid a brief visit to Yorkshire I was quite off put by the amount of 'covered faces'. Even the babies in their prams had some sort of covering over their faces. Quite intimidating at times.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Yorkie on March 19, 2013, 05:08:23 PM
They are completely anti-social, and denigrating to the poor women who have to wear them.

There are many other implication to there use.  For example I could wear such an outfit and parade around the town everywhere that women go and no-one would realise I was, in fact, a man.  They are also an ideal garment for shoplifting and preventing identification for any purpose.

The burka may be fine in the East but not in a cosmopolitain society such as ours!

 8)
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 19, 2013, 05:40:53 PM
Ban them, why on earth do we have to allow them to do what they like, yet if we go to their countries they do not do the same for us!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: romanjohn on March 28, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
I have given this some serious thought. Backlog at the border agency dont let anyone                   in  romanjohn  simple
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2013, 10:14:01 PM
Oh,  I could have sworn you said 'serious' thought.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Ian on July 31, 2015, 09:50:48 AM
The other day a friend and I were discussing the Calais situation. We'd both seen the scenes at Calais and heard about not only the disruption but also the intimidatory tactics being used by the migrants to stop lorries and get on board.

My friend was faintly incredulous that they were able to do this (although I did point out France has a long history of not dealing with immigration, or strikes, or protests) but he pointed out the very real danger they posed and when I asked him what the Police should do he said 'Shoot them".

Interesting perspective but does he have a point?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DaveR on July 31, 2015, 09:57:26 AM
It's a situation that could easily escalate into a major crisis. There are 3,000 migrants at Calais now - that could easily turn into 30,000 or 300,000 if word gets back to their countries that it is possible to illegally enter the UK and stay there.

Personally, I think that there needs to be a firm rule that anyone attempting to illegally enter the UK will lose any right to make an asylum application and will automatically be returned from whence they came.

At the end of the day, these people are heading for the UK purely because they see it as an easy life for themselves. A migrant from, for example, the Sudan crosses many other countries before reaching the UK - why did they not claim asylum in any of those other countries?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: Illegal Immigration
Post by: born2run on July 31, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
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The other day a friend and I were discussing the Calais situation. We'd both seen the scenes at Calais and heard about not only the disruption but also the intimidatory tactics being used by the migrants to stop lorries and get on board.

My friend was faintly incredulous that they were able to do this (although I did point out France has a long history of not dealing with immigration, or strikes, or protests) but he pointed out the very real danger they posed and when I asked him what the Police should do he said 'Shoot them".

Interesting perspective but does he have a point?

Yes if he's a maniac.
Why on earth would you ever condone shooting innocent human beings?
Seems the press have demonised 'immigrants' so much that some otherwise rational (I assume) members of the British public can not even think of them as human anymore.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: Illegal Immigration
Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
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The other day a friend and I were discussing the Calais situation. We'd both seen the scenes at Calais and heard about not only the disruption but also the intimidatory tactics being used by the migrants to stop lorries and get on board.

My friend was faintly incredulous that they were able to do this (although I did point out France has a long history of not dealing with immigration, or strikes, or protests) but he pointed out the very real danger they posed and when I asked him what the Police should do he said 'Shoot them".

Interesting perspective but does he have a point?

Yes if he's a maniac.
Why on earth would you ever condone shooting innocent human beings?
Seems the press have demonised 'immigrants' so much that some otherwise rational (I assume) members of the British public can not even think of them as human anymore.

A flippant remark and an equally silly response trivialises what is a growing problem in the UK.     The UK,  Ireland and Denmark are excluded by the EU from having to take in any of these illegal migrants from Africa and Asia so unless the UK opts in and agrees to take a quota of these illegals then they will remain illegal and should be stopped from coming over here and just returned to the country they last came to the UK from
 
Just read or listen to the reasons why they want to come here and it's the same old story " they will give me a house, money for food (benefits)  and they have a free health service"
It's unsustainable and something must be done to stop it.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 31, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
Could be something for these game hunters to have a go at and leave the animals alone!  WWW  They do seem to need something to deter them from the UK, we do not want them, they are of no use to us and now they are causing a massive disruption!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2015, 03:34:46 PM
You're being a very naughty boy ME    $smack$      BTR  may think you are being serious and take umbrage
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 31, 2015, 04:41:01 PM
I watched odd bits of one of these benifits programmes the other day, very depressing viewing, not something I normally watch, it was some seaside town, Great Yarmouth possibly, a lot of the unemployed blamed immigrants for taking their jobs for less money. It occurred to me that if these programmes were shown to those in France so desperate to get here, they might decide to go the other way and back home?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: born2run on July 31, 2015, 04:41:39 PM
Ian was the one that asked if his friend had 'a point'

You may think the remarks are flippant but there is a fare legion of racist nutters who would like to see such a thing happen.





Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: SteveH on July 31, 2015, 04:57:49 PM
Calais migrant crisis: PM pledges extra dogs and fencing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics)
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2015, 05:05:25 PM
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Ian was the one that asked if his friend had 'a point'

You may think the remarks are flippant but there is a fare legion of racist nutters who would like to see such a thing happen.

I think Ian was just quoting that just to encourage a debate on the subject, no more than that.   As for the racist thing then what about the 38 people murdered in Tunisia?
Don't forget that the vast majority of those illegals coming here are Muslims and while the majority of them may be desperate, they are all law breakers and there may even be the odd racist nutter amongst them
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on July 31, 2015, 06:25:43 PM
It's a worrying situation, to be sure. Not only have a lot of people had the start to their much anticipated holidays ruined, but a lot of lorry drivers are in genuine fear of their lives. Footage shows that these people are willing to risk their lives and the French seem to be doing very little to deter them from the criminal acts they seem bent on perpetrating. So what is the solution?
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2015, 08:19:41 PM
I read somewhere ( not the DFM  Ian )   that if these illegal immigrants are processed in one of the EU countries and they turn up in the UK then they are simply deported without being able to claim political asylum in the UK.
I don't know how the system works in Italy and Greece but common sense says that each immigrant should be processed in that country before they are released.
That should involve keeping records such as photographs,  finger prints etc and this should apply to all the illegals caught at Calais or anywhere else for that matter
If they are found in the UK then you simply deport them back to that country that processed them.
It appears that the other EU countries are not doing it and hoping that they can pass them all on to the UK
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on July 31, 2015, 08:27:27 PM
That's certainly what appears to be happening.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: mull on July 31, 2015, 09:15:33 PM
So some are rescued by an RN vessel. Landed in Italy just because that is the nearest port.
What then, should they be left in Italy or loaded back on the British vessel and brought to a British Port ?
Problem starts a long way back in Middle East or Africa and that is were the problem needs to be tackled.
Once they have arrived in the EU it is to late. They are then a problem for us to deal with.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
Unless Cameron changes the present status and opts in to accepting the immigrants from Africa and Asia the UK has no legal obligation to accept them.   This applies to Ireland and Denmark too but to no other EU country, all the others will have to take quotas.
Since the naval vessels have been sent back to the Med  the situation with the boat people has got worse as they know that the EU countries will rescue them.
It may be an idea for the EU boats to be stationed just outside Libyan Territorial waters and if they see these boats coming from Libya then to escort them safely back to Libya and not take them all the way to Italy
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2015, 08:18:51 AM
One suggestion I heard was for the French to create a camp for those that break the law - such as by cutting through the fence, and so on - and to imprison the law breaker in that camp. The camp would be situated in or near Marseilles.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: DVT on August 01, 2015, 11:27:34 AM
As Mull says, the problem lies back in whichever country they originate, but that's not somethign we can sort out easily.  Why do they choose to try and come to the UK?  I know some do go elsewhere.

Presumably they see the UK as attractive - we take them in, we given them shelter, we give them money, we give them jobs (even at minimum wage it's a lot more than they get in their own countries so must make them feel quite rich).

So ... there's (to me) a fairly simple answer - we stop welcoming them in, we stop giving them shelter, stop giving them money, stop giving them jobs - don't make it such an attractive proposition to risk lives getting here.

After all, we have a crumbling National Health service that is in desperate need of our money.

I am not criticising foreigners who come here and have the skills to do jobs - doctors, nurses, etc.  The ones I am criticising are the ones that are hell bent on breaking whatever laws it takes to get here, who are causing major disruption to the economy of this country, then expect (and get) looked after.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 01, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
I agree!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on August 01, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
The UK does need migrants to help the economy,  but we should be able to select who we want to come here to work.   There is nothing wrong whatsoever to have a points system like they have in Australia.
They should be able to communicate in English and bring a skill to the UK that we need and be able to support themselves once they are here.
These boat people claim to be persecuted at their home country and yet travel across numerous countries to get on those boats that take them to Italy and Greece.   Why don't they seek sanctuary in those two countries and be safe there, unless of course it is the free housing, benefits,  pensions and the free health service that is attracting them to the UK.
Stop those free perks and the problem should stop for the UK
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Fester on August 01, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
I find it interesting how they wheel Nigel Farage out so regularly now to discuss this subject, and give a lot of credence to his views.
It's only a few short weeks since he was ridiculed on every current affairs show, prior to the election.
Now, suddenly he is being treated like a visionary.

I also note that many of the migrants wander around talking on their iphones.
How are they paying the bills for them?   ..... and where are they plugging them in every night to charge them up!!!
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Hugo on August 02, 2015, 12:05:59 AM
That's very interesting Fester,  it's quite annoying to see the migrants landing in Greece and the first thing they do is take selfies of themselves on those expensive phones.
The Greeks should send them back to Turkey immediately as they know full well where the migrants have come from.
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: Ian on August 02, 2015, 07:21:41 AM
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It's only a few short weeks since he was ridiculed on every current affairs show, prior to the election.  Now, suddenly he is being treated like a visionary.

Interesting, isn't it? The more xenophobic press, such as the Express, allied to the simply insane, such as the DFM, love to change direction, all the while hoping no one will notice.

BBC news this morning had a French journalist on and she made some pertinent points. The one that struck home was when she talked about the French charities going into the camps to help them out with water supplies, bedding, food and shelter and how the French government was reluctant to undo the good work these groups were doing by going in - as the DFM had suggested - with water cannon.  Although I suppose what surprised me more was that the DFM hadn't suggested flame throwers...
Title: Re: Have Your Say: What would you do?
Post by: born2run on August 03, 2015, 04:54:24 PM
http://newsthump.com/2015/08/03/calais-migrants-to-be-reclassified-as-goblins-to-avoid-accidental-bouts-of-conscience/ (http://newsthump.com/2015/08/03/calais-migrants-to-be-reclassified-as-goblins-to-avoid-accidental-bouts-of-conscience/)

Now THIS is satire  _))*