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The Local => Local News & Discussion => Topic started by: DaveR on October 08, 2010, 06:25:19 PM

Title: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on October 08, 2010, 06:25:19 PM
This Planning Report has recently appeared on the Council's website:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=20478 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=20478)

It deals with the proposals to construct new sea defences from Rhos On Sea to Old Colwyn. Both the Consultants and Public opinion agreed that 'beach recharge' was the preferred option - this is where sand is dumped on the beach to raise the levels and rock structures built on the beach to hold it in place. This is the most expensive option (at £28m, it is £9m more expensive than the cheapest option), but also the most attractive and would help the revival of the Prom area immensely.

Basically, they are trying now to push the option of linear rock revetment - that is, dumping a 20m deep pile of large boulders right along the beach from Rhos to Old Colwyn - the height of these boulders would be 1.2m above the Prom level and the retaining wall 2.1m (6.8feet) above prom level. So, for the entire length of the Prom, there would be no views of the sea or beach from the prom, just a 6.8 feet high concrete wall where the current metal railings now run along the Prom.

This is absolutely shocking and must not go ahead...

"The development of these works however is set against a context of ongoing pressure to
adopt a form of coastal defence which would reflect the cheapest construction cost (linear
rock revetment) across the entire frontage
which, based on the results of the strategy
development and the public consultation, would compromise ongoing efforts to regenerate
the town’s economy and deliver an attractive and usable public realm along the promenade
with effective links to the amenity beach areas."


"The physical modelling exercise identified that the crest of the linear rock revetment would
need to be approximately 1.2m above the level of the existing promenade with a further 1m
recurved concrete wall behind the crest of the revetment.
The front slope of the revetment
would be at 1 in 3 resulting in a width of revetment of circa 20m."
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 08, 2010, 06:31:02 PM
Absolutely shocking if that happens :o  :'(  how do we stop it?
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Post by: Yorkie on October 08, 2010, 06:41:59 PM
Plead poverty!   _))*
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Post by: Fester on October 08, 2010, 11:35:48 PM
Set against the vast amount of money that is being proposed to be spent here, that is one of the most amateurish proposal documents I have ever seen.

It suggests what Dave has stated is exactly true,  but why is there no artists impression or visual mock up of what the resulting effect will be?

Even Npower had the decency to show visual models of how the monstrous turbines will look from each aspect of Llandudno Prom.

Local residents and businesses really can't be aware of this proposal for Colwyn Bay ... if they were, surely the Weekly News would be inundated.

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Post by: mull on October 09, 2010, 01:04:56 AM
Are these the same experts that "improved" the West Shore ? :laugh:
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Post by: Blongb on October 09, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
After the way CCBC destroyed Llandudno's north shore, you might as well give up now. :rage:
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Post by: DaveR on October 10, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
The Daily Post have picked up on the story now:

A ROW of rocks to keep out the sea would risk cutting off residents and tourists from a resort’s beach and hamper tourism, according to a new report.

 Parts of the seafront at Colwyn Bay and Old Colwyn were built in Victorian times and sand has been washed away leaving large waves free to pound and damage the Promenade itself.

 Conwy County Council officers say “rock armour” along the shore would be the cheapest solution but would also deter tourists from enjoying the beach. A Conwy County Council planning officers’ report states: “The works would affect accessibility and would add to the severance of the town from the foreshore.”

It adds: “A number of businesses depend upon a synergy with the promenade and foreshore and could be damaged.”

 In their report, council officers recommend that Conwy’s planning committee confirms “that it is the view of the Local Planning Authority that a rock armour revetment built against and over the existing sea wall would be unacceptable in sensitive areas of Colwyn Bay’s seafront, particularly where it is technically feasible to provide a recharged beach option.” Conwy’s planning committee meets at Bodlondeb on October 13 at 2pm.

 In March, storms ripped up sheets of Tarmac from the coast road near Colwyn Bay’s Victoria Pier which again highlighted the need for better sea defences. Over the years sand has been washed away.

Conwy County Cllr Brian Cossey said: “When I was a kid you could step off the Prom onto the beach and it was about a foot down. Now it’s 12ft down. It’s very much a balancing act between getting the sea defences that are needed and the town’s amenity value. The engineers are working to improve beach access at the same time as ensuring that sea defences are adequate.”

Building more groynes – rows of rock jutting into the sea – to protect the coast is another option.

Cllr Cossey, who is the Welsh Liberal Democrat prospective candidate for Clwyd West at next May’s Assembly elections, believes Colwyn Bay has huge potential with a Colwyn Bay Waterfront project masterplan by consultants DPP Shape underway.

He said: “The beach is vital to the regeneration of Colwyn Bay. We have one of the best beaches on the north Wales coast. One of the guys working on the masterplan said it’s a better beach than Copacabana in Brazil. Attracting people in will make Colwyn Bay thriving again.”



http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/10/09/rock-wall-defence-would-cut-off-colwyn-bay-from-the-beach-55578-27434694/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/10/09/rock-wall-defence-would-cut-off-colwyn-bay-from-the-beach-55578-27434694/)
Title: Re: How to destroy Colwyn Bay's Promenade...
Post by: Ian on October 10, 2010, 03:03:36 PM
What nobody seems to be exploring is the option that's worked so well at Rhos:  creating an artificial island, in effect, about 500 yards off CB's prom.  That would restore the lost sand create a natural-looking harbour, attract visitors and not be that expensive to construct.
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Post by: Fester on October 10, 2010, 11:07:12 PM
Errr, I have to take issue with the comment that Colwyn Bay Beach is better than Copacabana beach in Brazil.

It really isn't .... have you seen THE BIRDS on Copacabana beach!


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Post by: ormegolf on October 11, 2010, 08:55:07 PM
What sort of birds? Knowing Fester as I do, I know the answer to that. See you at the RSPB in Glan Conwy at the weekend. Mike
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Post by: Trojan on October 11, 2010, 09:26:29 PM
Once you've seen one seagull, you've seen them all.
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Post by: DaveR on November 02, 2010, 10:30:40 AM
I was pleased to see that the Planning Committee has said that the rock revetment option is unaccetable.  ;)

ENQ/18535 - Proposed Coastal Defences, Colwyn Bay  PDF 270 KB

View the background to item 505.
That the Committee confirms that it is the view of the Local Planning Authority that a rock armour revetment built against and over the existing sea wall would be unacceptable in sensitive areas of Colwyn Bay’s seafront, particularly where it is technically feasible to provide a recharged beach option.

Minutes:

It was reported that rock armour along the whole frontage was considered inappropriate for the following reasons:



RESOLVED-

That the Planning Committee confirms the view of the Local Planning Authority;  that a rock armour revetment built against and over the existing sea wall would be unacceptable in sensitive areas of Colwyn Bay’s seafront, particularly where it is technically feasible to provide a recharged beach option.
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Post by: MCR on November 02, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
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I was pleased to see that the Planning Committee has said that the rock revetment option is unaccetable.  ;)

ENQ/18535 - Proposed Coastal Defences, Colwyn Bay  PDF 270 KB

View the background to item 505.
That the Committee confirms that it is the view of the Local Planning Authority that a rock armour revetment built against and over the existing sea wall would be unacceptable in sensitive areas of Colwyn Bay’s seafront, particularly where it is technically feasible to provide a recharged beach option.

Minutes:

It was reported that rock armour along the whole frontage was considered inappropriate for the following reasons:

  • The visual impact of the works would be significant (as seen from both the promenade and the foreshore) and would alter the whole character of the bay.
  • The scale and aesthetic of the extensive works would affect accessibility in physical and perception terms and would add to the severance of the town from the foreshore.
  • A number of businesses depended upon a synergy with the promenade and foreshore and could be damaged.
  • The works would be counter productive to the efforts currently underway to regenerate Colwyn Bay and as part of that exercise to enhance the beach as a recreational and economic asset. (Part of the DPP Shape recommendations for a Masterplan for Colwyn Bay relate to the re-establishment of a family beach and recreation economy. The selection of an option that does not provide for beach re-nourishment solution between Rhos and Eirias Park would affect that potential.)
  • The works would adversely affect the setting of the Victoria Pier as a listed building.


RESOLVED-

That the Planning Committee confirms the view of the Local Planning Authority;  that a rock armour revetment built against and over the existing sea wall would be unacceptable in sensitive areas of Colwyn Bay’s seafront, particularly where it is technically feasible to provide a recharged beach option.


I hope you don't mind me joining in here for my first post on this site.
But thank goodness they have rejected this awful idea.
It's bad enough the prom is now cut off from the town centre and not so easy to see a way down like it used to be and the pier is falling over day by day, but to ruin it with bolders? Yuck!
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Post by: Fester on November 03, 2010, 12:12:56 AM
Welcome to the Forum MCR ....  pull up a chair, make yourself comfortable ....the Nurse will call you soon!
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Post by: MCR on November 03, 2010, 03:49:34 AM
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Welcome to the Forum MCR ....  pull up a chair, make yourself comfortable ....the Nurse will call you soon!


I am the nurse  :laugh:
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Post by: DaveR on November 03, 2010, 08:32:12 AM
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I hope you don't mind me joining in here for my first post on this site.
But thank goodness they have rejected this awful idea.
It's bad enough the prom is now cut off from the town centre and not so easy to see a way down like it used to be and the pier is falling over day by day, but to ruin it with bolders? Yuck!
Welcome to the Forum, MCR, and you're welcome to join in wherever you want.  :)

The boulders idea would certainly have killed Colwyn Bay's seafront for the next 100 years, hopefully now the 'beach recharge' idea will be taken forward. This would give the section of beach between Eirias Park and Rhos a fantastic sandy beach that would be a real help in reviving the area. And if the Prom itself is redeveloped properly (fingers crossed!), we should see all the existing tatty shelters and kiosks swept away and replace with something far more attractive.
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Post by: ormegolf on November 03, 2010, 08:00:13 PM
I have definately been around too long!!!!  If you think the shelters are tatty, you should have seen the ones they replaced. I remember the existing ones construction well---it was the topic in every bar and coffee house around over the extravagance,unbelievable cost etc. But, be fair, they have stood up to the ravages of tide and, a later phenomen, vandals, pretty well. I'm not sure of each shelters original cost, but it went well past a financial benchmark. It might have been £2100 each ---- but then again it might have been £210. Whatever, it flabergasted the locals.
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Post by: DaveR on November 03, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
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I have definately been around too long!!!!  If you think the shelters are tatty, you should have seen the ones they replaced. I remember the existing ones construction well---it was the topic in every bar and coffee house around over the extravagance,unbelievable cost etc. But, be fair, they have stood up to the ravages of tide and, a later phenomen, vandals, pretty well. I'm not sure of each shelters original cost, but it went well past a financial benchmark. It might have been £2100 each ---- but then again it might have been £210. Whatever, it flabergasted the locals.
These ones, Mike?

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3280494091_67c5a531ec.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3280494091/)
Shelter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3280494091/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2011, 06:17:26 PM
The six design ideas for the first stage of the Prom redevelopment have now surfaced (for the area on the old Colwyn side of the Pier at the foot of the Dingle). They can all be viewed here:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=8199&doc=27652 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=8199&doc=27652)

I've looked through them and think number 6 is a striking building, would make a good landmark for that end of the Prom:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/440/Option_6_Seven_Architecturer.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/440/Option_6_Seven_Architecturer.pdf)

You can also give your own feedback on that site.
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Post by: DaveR on January 08, 2011, 05:33:15 PM
After looking through the designs again, I was not pleased to see that one of them has used one of my photos (first page - titled 'forces of nature)without permission or payment in their Submission!


I suspect it may cost them a few hundred pounds to calm an irate copyright holder.  8)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 08, 2011, 06:09:22 PM
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After looking through the designs again, I was not pleased to see that one of them (Option 2 by dRMM Architects) has used one of my photos (first page - titled 'forces of nature)without permission or payment in their Submission!
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/440/Option_2_dRMMr.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/440/Option_2_dRMMr.pdf)

I suspect it may cost them a few hundred pounds to calm an irate copyright holder.  8)

 *&(  go for it Dave!
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Post by: Fester on January 09, 2011, 01:44:40 AM
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After looking through the designs again, I was not pleased to see that one of them (Option 2 by dRMM Architects) has used one of my photos (first page - titled 'forces of nature)without permission or payment in their Submission!
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/440/Option_2_dRMMr.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/440/Option_2_dRMMr.pdf)

I suspect it may cost them a few hundred pounds to calm an irate copyright holder.  8)

This is not the first tiime that your ''intellectual property'' has been usurped.
In all seriousness, I think you should put your Big Boots on and bring these scoundrels to heel.
The world is full of plagiarists and blatant rip-off merchants.  Teach them a lesson. A financial lesson.
I reckon that this lot have earned good money fom YOUR endeavours.... more than any few hundred pounds due to you mate!

You have still to take on those JD Wetherspoons miscreants,   Alex Munro would expect nothing less!

There is way too much of this 'cutting and pasting' going on.





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Post by: DaveR on January 09, 2011, 04:08:41 PM
I've served a Notice of Copyright Infringement on *************************. Will see what they have to say for themselves.

J D Wetherspoon - I had forgotten about them nicking one of my Munro programme photos!
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Post by: Blongb on January 09, 2011, 10:49:51 PM

You put in the effort Dave, you deserve the credit and the financial reward that’s due, go for it.   ££$
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Post by: DaveR on January 10, 2011, 02:16:50 PM
I've just had a reply from the Architects, they have admitted responsibility and offered to pay a fee for unauthorised usage of the photo. Case closed, then!
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 10, 2011, 02:33:49 PM
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I've just had a reply from the Architects, they have admitted responsibility and offered to pay a fee for unauthorised usage of the photo. Case closed, then!

 $3towns$ well done, now how can I get someone to use one of mine without permission  ?{}? L0L
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Post by: Fester on January 10, 2011, 04:35:12 PM
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I've just had a reply from the Architects, they have admitted responsibility and offered to pay a fee for unauthorised usage of the photo. Case closed, then!

Well done Dave,  I shall help you spend it tomorrow afternoon!

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Post by: DaveR on January 10, 2011, 05:31:58 PM
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I've just had a reply from the Architects, they have admitted responsibility and offered to pay a fee for unauthorised usage of the photo. Case closed, then!

 $3towns$ well done, now how can I get someone to use one of mine without permission  ?{}? L0L
I was talking to you about photos sites the other day, this is the one I use:
www.flickr.com (http://www.flickr.com)
just enter any search term of interest into the box and something will come up. You can also set up a free account on there for your own photos, if you wish.

There are several local users with extensive photo collections, here are just a few examples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/penmorfas/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/penmorfas/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21019840@N07/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21019840@N07/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/llgc/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/llgc/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alanfrombangor/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alanfrombangor/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/janepbr/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/janepbr/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eifion/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eifion/)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 10, 2011, 06:29:20 PM
some great photos on there, I just worry that mine aren't good enough!
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Post by: Pendragon on January 10, 2011, 07:03:01 PM
I don't really know that much about re-development etc, I wouldn't have a clue when it  came to the most effective sea defences either but they used the large boulder option for Penmaenmawr beach years ago. I always thought it was a ridiculous solution. The boulders were bought over from Holland as I remember (maybe not though) I remember walking over them and realising how dangerous they were, huge gaps between them, if a child or pet dog fell between them they could easily become trapped. Why they never covered them in some kind of wire netting is beyond me, its only a matter of time before this becomes an issue. Children after all play on Pen beach.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 11, 2011, 07:50:31 PM
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I was talking to you about photos sites the other day, this is the one I use:
www.flickr.com (http://www.flickr.com)
just enter any search term of interest into the box and something will come up. You can also set up a free account on there for your own photos, if you wish.


set up now  D)  although it says I joined in December?
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Post by: ormegolf on January 11, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
Flickr is good----but you have to watch out for the moderators. There are one or two dodgy individuals with that title(one is something about a Snake)
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Post by: DaveR on January 11, 2011, 08:55:09 PM
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Flickr is good----but you have to watch out for the moderators. There are one or two dodgy individuals with that title(one is something about a Snake)
I think you'll find that Mr Snake Corp has gone for good, Mike.  ;)
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Post by: Fester on January 12, 2011, 12:36:31 AM
Has Mr Snake Corps gone for good?.... or has he simply metamorphosised (in true Dr Who style) in to another being?



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Post by: Yorkie on January 12, 2011, 11:29:27 AM
He was a bit of a slippery customer with a passion for Lemon Drizzle cake if I remember correctly!     L0L
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Post by: Nemesis on January 12, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
Last seen in the King's Head wearing a Beany Hat ! _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: How to destroy Colwyn Bay's Promenade...
Post by: DaveR on February 05, 2011, 08:27:34 PM
CCBC have chosen Option 3 for the Waterfront redevelopment at the foot of Eirias Park:

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Post by: Trojan on February 06, 2011, 02:27:32 AM
What's the structure with all the flags on it's roof?

Is that supposed to be a car park on the right? (top pic)
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Post by: brumbob on February 12, 2011, 11:03:51 AM
Only just noticed option 3 won, an ugly 60's concrete monstrosity, it must be the cheap option, better than nothing I suppose, just a wasted opportunity. :(
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Post by: DaveR on February 12, 2011, 10:28:34 PM
I agree, it is pretty awful. I would have liked to see a lot more greenery/landscaping instead of the relentless acres of concrete paving.
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Post by: DaveR on February 16, 2011, 09:29:44 AM
The architect comments....

THE man behind the design of Colwyn Bay’s future waterfront, insists the project will not be “elitist” and will appeal to all.

Kevin Horton, architectural director at Liverpool architects K2, said: “We did not want it to be an elitist yacht club. We want people to feel ownership.”

His company beat five rival architects in a Watersports Hotspot Design Competition run by Conwy County Borough Council which is part of the Bay Life+ project.

Mr Hortonsaid: We are aiming at entry level to midrange watersports. It’s for general yachtsmen, jetskiers, canoeists and dinghy sailors to launch from.

“It’s also going to be an educational facility over harbour licences and so on.

“We would train people in multi-purpose, audio visual workshops. People could also go on a dry land simulator.”

Mr Horton said the watersports hotspots centre would also include huge storage space for privately- owned boats, jetskis and canoes. There could be washdown areas for users’ crafts.

Even dog walkers could walk on the transparent building’s grassed roof.
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Post by: Fester on February 16, 2011, 09:55:58 AM

Even dog walkers could walk on the transparent building’s grassed roof.
[/quote]


No !!!  .....   :o :o :o    :rage:
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 16, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
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Even dog walkers could walk on the transparent building’s grassed roof.


No !!!  .....   :o :o :o    :rage:


agreed!
edit, looking back at the pictures I can't see a grass roof  ???
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Post by: Trojan on February 16, 2011, 03:36:34 PM
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Even dog walkers could walk on the transparent building’s grassed roof.

This should appeal to Cllr Oddy. I know he's an avid fan of transparency.
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Post by: brumbob on February 16, 2011, 07:48:38 PM
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This should appeal to Cllr Oddy. I know he's an avid fan of transparency.
By that you mean you don't see him around anymore?
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Post by: Trojan on February 18, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
We're going way off topic here, so let's get back on course.

It wasn't just people taking a stroll. The planners were also influenced when they came up with the design of this marvelous erection jutting majestically skyward. See how it's thick at the base, before coming to a narrow tip at the end.

I should imagine it would sway from side to side in the wind.

Maybe copious amounts of white seagull poop on top would give it added realism.
Title: Re: How to destroy Colwyn Bay's Promenade...
Post by: DaveR on March 12, 2011, 05:40:36 PM
Work is well under way on the Prom redevelopment now:
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Post by: brumbob on March 12, 2011, 06:55:54 PM
I take it there won't be a prom day this spring?
or is the other side of the pier still ok?
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Post by: DaveR on March 14, 2011, 10:53:41 AM
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I take it there won't be a prom day this spring?
or is the other side of the pier still ok?
Other side of the Pier is fine, work wont be starting there for a couple of years at least.
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Post by: DaveR on March 14, 2011, 10:54:32 AM
Detailed plans of the new waterfront work:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/439/Waterfront_plansreduced.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/439/Waterfront_plansreduced.pdf)

...and the winning design for the new building:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/446/Winning_Design.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/446/Winning_Design.pdf)
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Post by: Nemesis on March 14, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
Saw that lot yesterday--- looks like a giant rockery at the moment.
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Post by: Yorkie on March 14, 2011, 12:36:56 PM
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the winning design for the new building:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/446/Winning_Design.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/446/Winning_Design.pdf)

Another Architects Dream and a Builders Nightmare!   
Title: Re: How to destroy Colwyn Bay's Promenade...
Post by: DaveR on March 14, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
..and probably a maintenance nightmare as well! We've seen so many times in the past examples of vast amounts of money being spent on renovating public areas, then realisation slowly dawns that there is no money to maintain them afterwards and they begin the slow descent into tattiness.

I would have said....stick to a simple yet elegant design, use tried and trusted materials and make sure there is lots of green landscaping...job done!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
Progress so far...

January 8th 2011:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5335802873_612e988fe9_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5335802873/)
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March 12th 2011:
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March 19th 2011:
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: brumbob on March 19, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
Knocked a prefab building down and dumped some rocks in the sea
and that took a week  :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Trojan on March 19, 2011, 07:45:30 PM
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Knocked a prefab building down and dumped some rocks in the sea
and that took a week  :o

The kiosk owner had to be evicted.  ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 16, 2011, 09:58:38 PM
Volker Stevin are making good progress now, they are pouring concrete on the retaining walls and have started the piling out in the Bay that will mark the extent of the new sticky out bit of promenade (see third photo):
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 14, 2011, 04:53:27 PM
Latest photo:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 14, 2011, 08:34:01 PM
And the piling had a bit of testing this A.M. by the NW wind backed tide
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 24, 2011, 06:35:43 PM
May 14th:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 08, 2011, 08:30:37 PM
CCBC are advertising the availability of the new Watersports Centre currently under construction on the Promenade for letting in Summer 2012. Both local and national businesses are encouraged to apply:

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=143&doc=28747&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=143&doc=28747&Language=1)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on June 08, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
Talk about getting a move on. They dont allow much time for anyone to think about it---when is June 10th? Pity Councils can never respond like that.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 08, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
Maybe a crazy golf course would go nicely there, eh, Mike?  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on June 08, 2011, 11:15:24 PM
I've only got about 24 hours to register my interest.  I have to be honest and say that nowadays it takes that long for me to get an interest in a redheaded mini dressed female.  (only telling lies)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 13, 2011, 11:05:54 AM
CCBC have released a video showing how the Prom will look after the redevelopment. As can be seen, despite what Steve Hunt claims, the Pier is prominently shown in the plans:

Colwyn Bay Waterfront Project (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajTZ_dlGqrk#ws)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on June 13, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
One question.
Will the 'Blank Canvas' have to be completely dug out at a later date to lay foundations, supply gas/electric & sewerage pipes etc... for the Water Sports Centre at great expense when all this could be done now as they are building the original for a fraction of the cost?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 13, 2011, 01:49:06 PM
The Watersports Centre is scheduled to be open for Summer 2012, so I suspect construction will start once the sea defences have been completed. That's what I'm hoping anyway!  ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Trojan on June 13, 2011, 03:51:56 PM
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As can be seen, despite what Steve Hunt claims, the Pier is prominently shown in the plans:

That's the best I've seen it in years.  :P
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on June 13, 2011, 11:07:55 PM
Perhaps I am naive but I reckon this plan is marvellous and Conwy Council should be congratulated. So far so good
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 13, 2011, 11:15:11 PM
Its very impressive... there will be numerous business opportunities within and nearby.

I think it will be a great attraction, and if the Pier get restored also, then the town will see a great resurgence.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 14, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
There are certain aspects of the promotional video which give rise to concern, I believe.  The omission of the fishtails in the first phase is almost certainly a mistake; more worryingly, it reveals the mindset behind the project is focussed on spending as little as possible.

The commentator refers several times to 'increased risk of major storms' and then the video shows damage, most of which occurred in the 1991 storm. He also states 'Global warming will lead to an increased risk of major storms hitting the Bay of Colwyn' but the jury's still out on the long term effects of climate change, the term he ought to have used, other than the certainty that increased sea levels will be involved.

My main concern is that the project doesn't get done on the cheap.  As Mike says, the plan is excellent, and we can only hope that penny pinching doesn't ruin what could be an outstanding development for Colwyn Bay.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 15, 2011, 12:45:44 AM
You make a good point there Ian.
Once the 'project' is deemed complete, if the Fishtail is not constructed at this point, it is most unlikely to get re-visited and done soon after, because the budget for that will have been re-absorbed.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 15, 2011, 07:41:56 AM
That's my concern.  Will we - as usual - end up with a half-baked construction that will fail to do most of what they envisaged?    If you look at any major construction - the Mersey tunnels, the Humber Bridge and so on, they all exceeded the estimated cost by a sizeable margin, yet the long-term benefits they bring are incalculable.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on June 15, 2011, 09:14:21 PM
Just like the A55 was built on the cheap with the mistakes made with the slip roads at Colwyn Bay & Llandudno Junction, not to mention leaving in two roundabouts at Penmaenmawr & Llanfairfechan just to save money. With their track record you can't help but worry that similar mistakes will be made for financial reasons. It's usually a false economy too as it inevitably costs more to rectify mistakes at a later date.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 15, 2011, 09:32:29 PM
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The commentator refers several times to 'increased risk of major storms' and then the video shows damage, most of which occurred in the 1991 storm.
It's a bit more recent than that, the damage seen in the video occurred on the 31st March 2010. Promenade was badly damaged but the Pier survived almost unscathed!

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That was the same storm that hit Llandudno hard, I've never seen spray going over the top of the Cable Car Station before:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 16, 2011, 07:31:35 AM
Quote
Promenade was badly damaged but the Pier survived almost unscathed!

The Pier's (all piers') design is such that it doesn't absorb a lot of energy from the water, but the promenade walls are the end point, where they have to absorb the energy, and large masses of water travel[ling at speed have a lot of it :-))
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 16, 2011, 08:10:40 AM
I think the point was that the Pier was supposedly in such a rickety state that it was in danger of imminent collapse, yet survived such a violent storm easily.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 16, 2011, 09:05:21 AM
It will soon be MINE... ALL MINE !!   (Burp)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 16, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
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It will soon be MINE... ALL MINE !!   (Burp)
...and you're welcome to it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 18, 2011, 07:58:06 PM
The project is progressing nicely. Completion of the groundworks is expected within the next month or so, with work on the Watersports Centre starting in October.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 19, 2011, 12:25:51 AM
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It will soon be MINE... ALL MINE !!   (Burp)
...and you're welcome to it!  :laugh:

That would be a good sign wouldn't it?  'Welcome to Llandudno - You're welcome to it''  ha ha....  L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 09, 2011, 09:34:53 PM
Latest photos of the waterfront redevelopment work.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 20, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
Latest photos - work is progressing.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 20, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
You ma have noticed that a third large crane has arrived this week. This is the sturdy beast on the left of your last photo, lacking in height against the other two but, I would imagine, capable of lifting greater weights. Its set on very substantial tracks. Anyone like to guess what it is going to do? I have an idea, but I dont suppose I can be sure until Monday
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 20, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
I imagined it was there to lift the concrete interlocking 'step' sections into place but I'm guessing!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 20, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
There has been a lot of cranes on this job and I have never seen so much heavy tackle on such a small site before, even during 30 years in the business.  I must have a closer look at what they have done and what they are doing!    :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 21, 2011, 09:07:49 AM
One thing I was going to mention is that I'm not convinced that the new Watersports Building will be safely out of the range of Winter Storms. Obviously, the sea defences aren't completed yet but I am a little bit sceptical about this.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 21, 2011, 01:33:23 PM
Yes, Dave, that is what I thought. I presume they are going to sit on top of the concrete outer wall.  Yorkie, you spent 30 years involved with cranes. That must have been an up and down job Ha Ha
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 21, 2011, 01:40:29 PM
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Yorkie, you spent 30 years involved with cranes. That must have been an up and down job Ha Ha

Known as "Hoist and Lower" in the business!   _))*   Had a great time being involved with so many major projects.    ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 22, 2011, 09:37:45 PM
Going back to yesterday and Daves concern about would this stand up to winter storms. This is only my guess, but on the beach are several thousands of tons of assorted size rocks apparently dropped at random in piles, just as if they were surplus to requirements. No pattern at all. But it has obviously cost a lot of money to transport them to here, so my guess is they will, in the end, be part of the construction jigsaw. Only time (or a construction engineer) will tell.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 22, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
I thought it was all going to be finished by July, at least the sign had said that! they may not have said which year though!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2011, 08:15:29 AM
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I thought it was all going to be finished by July, at least the sign had said that! they may not have said which year though!  :laugh:
It's funny you say that, the sign that had the completion date on it has now been removed....  :roll:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: TheMedz on August 23, 2011, 09:01:34 AM
Not a happy site judged on the loud and flaming rows that were taking place  between the workers and bosses last time we walked past.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 23, 2011, 09:14:38 AM
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I thought it was all going to be finished by July, at least the sign had said that! they may not have said which year though!  :laugh:
It's funny you say that, the sign that had the completion date on it has now been removed....  :roll:

past it's sell by date  _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 23, 2011, 09:30:35 PM
How do you tell workers from bosses when they all wear high vis, coats?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on August 23, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
Colwyn Watersports Centre Development | Welsh Icons News http://bit.ly/pA0VqB (http://bit.ly/pA0VqB)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on August 23, 2011, 09:55:07 PM
How do you tell workers from bosses when they all wear high vis, coats?

It's easy, the cleaner & brighter the hi-vis the higher up the chain of command! ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 24, 2011, 09:41:07 PM
There is a good computer generated picture of the completed waterfront in the Pioneer. Answers some of the queries, including my own.  On a lighter tone, I expect many of you will know that the prom was closed for three of four days around a month or so ago to enable some work to be done.  At that time many anxious travellers were asking "How long is it going to be shut?" The frivilious answer around the local pubs was "A long time. You know that lump that sticking out to sea. Well, the top man had the plans upside down, and it should have all gone under the railway."
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 24, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
That wouldn't surprise me - the Nat West Tower was supposed to be an underground car park!    L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 27, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
Going back to Daves understandable worries as to whether the whole thing is up to the battering it will certainly get. I notice already that there is quite a build up of sand in the corner facing the pier. Bear in mind that this section of the construction has only been in place around four or five weeks. I know that a model of tide movements can be created, I saw one once a long time ago (probably on TV) and a paddle simulates waves at around ten a second or so.  They then tip in a bag of sand and see what happens. Look at it in a week or so and, in theory, they will what the actual thing will be like in a couple of years. Maybe this will help the defences.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 04, 2011, 07:09:27 PM
Latest photos:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 08, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
Computer generated mock-up of how the new Watersports Centre will look:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 14, 2011, 09:55:50 PM
I must be a frustrated potential boss of McAlpines or something, I am fasinated by civil engineering projects and spend hours looking at them and trying to figure out what is going on. So, a computer generated picture of what its all going to be like----thats like showing a kid the Xmas parcels the day before. Anyway, I'm going to bore you now, so change threads.
   A few messages back I replied to Dave that there were hundreds/thousands of tons of rocks scattered around the beach in random piles. After watching this evening what was going on, perhaps they WERE random. There has'ent been much activity on the beach during the summer, but its all sprung to life now. Working near enough into darkness. Rocks being picked up, put on dump trucks and moved back up onto where the prom once was and dropped.
  I can only guess 1/ They were placed on the beach as a storage area because it would be difficult if they were delivered at this stage of development or 2/ perhaps they were 10p a ton cheaper buying in a job lot in March 3/ miscalculation as to how many tons were needed at the early stages. Of course, now many of them are covered in green from the tides---I dont suppose for a minute this matters but it looks as if the rocks on the top of the pile are unmarked.
  And, to me if noone else, this is a mystery. A 360 degree digger of which there are several and years ago came in at a price with operator of £100 an hour. Digging what looked to me from a distance as a wide trench on the beach. Taking at least an hour. Well below high tide mark. Its 9.30 now. If you get down there quick you will see it. Another hour and it will be under the waves. Wont be much of it left tomorrow even with a calm sea.  The last thing the digger operator did was lower a large "metal" ? object probably 10 foot square into the end of the trench. 5 mins later pulled it out and carried it off. Come on Yorkie, if you are the only one reading this, whats that about? Taking samples?   Easier to go and ask them, I suppose---but then again I am only an idle spectator glued to the windows that they often put in at projects in city centres
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2011, 06:14:59 PM
Why didn't they use the demolished pier to reinforce the concrete ?
2 for the price of 1 then.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 24, 2011, 05:03:23 PM
Latest photo:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 24, 2011, 06:13:02 PM
How did they ever think originally that it would be finished by July, whatever went so badly wrong?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 24, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
No, nothing has gone wrong (as far as I know). It was never claimed to be finished by July----the very FIRST STAGE was set to be finished by July (This was called something like structural reconstruction) but I think it meant the very basic groundwork. Actually I think this was completed ahead of schedule---it was certainly in front around last May. The final thing is scheduled for completion a year from now
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on September 24, 2011, 09:21:56 PM
did they say which May?  ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 24, 2011, 09:28:14 PM
No, they didnt say which May----its me saying May.  But this is fact. Last May it was ahead of schedule. Due to the good weather (remember that in the past) around March and April.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 24, 2011, 09:54:08 PM
All of the seawall construction and preparation for the new building was supposed to have been completed by July 2011. They removed the sign when they realised they were going to miss the target but DaveR's camera had already been at work....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 24, 2011, 10:24:16 PM
So... whatever went so badly wrong?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on September 24, 2011, 10:34:09 PM
It looks like phase 1a has been completed and now they have moved on to phase 1b etc
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 30, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
Exciting time here last night. Two 360 degrees, a small dump truck, a 3 axle dump truck, one of the two original large cranes and about 20 or more ant like dayglow dressed humans all down on the beach at the end of the strip of rocks going straight out to sea. Plus a mobile concrete lorry. To give it a bit of excitement there was absolutely no wind, the sea was like a pond --- BUT ---BUT,   it was going dark AND the tide was coming in.

   I reckon it was bloodpressure time for a few down there.

  They finished and got all the vehicles plus the big crane (that was mega dodgy, to me at any rate) off the beach just about before it went dead dark. The tide was around 15 minutes behind.

  There were photographers down on the beach taking shots,  where were you Dave?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 30, 2011, 09:42:50 PM
Stuffing my face in a Chinese restaurant!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 30, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
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Stuffing my face in a Chinese restaurant!

Yes... I can confirm that he was.......... (burp)   $dins$ $dins$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on October 10, 2011, 01:34:50 PM
Green light set for Colwyn Bay watersports centre - Daily Post North Wales http://bit.ly/pnCygu (http://bit.ly/pnCygu)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on October 24, 2011, 11:08:59 PM
    The top level of the surrounding wall is now being put in place. In previous posts DaveR has shown some concern as to whether the whole project would get flooded.

   When you look at the completed height, I rather doubt it. Its not far off the height of the old pier, its about one and a half times the height of the old sea wall No doubt there will be spray, but if it is flooded ---- then I doubt if anywhere on the North Wales coast is safe.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on October 24, 2011, 11:22:57 PM
Waterfront Project talk February 2011 http://bit.ly/tDarkX (http://bit.ly/tDarkX)
Title: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: BMD on December 12, 2011, 03:27:44 PM
Hello, I've been trying to draw attention to changes made to the Colwyn Bay Waterfront building - changes which, in my opinion, will be very detrimental to its appearance. A councillor I contacted informally suggested I post here to get some views/feedback.

I've written about it here: http://colwynbay.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/waterfront-project/ (http://colwynbay.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/waterfront-project/)

Design is a subjective matter of course. Let me know what you think...

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 12, 2011, 04:37:52 PM
To be honest I do not like any of it, I would prefer the money to be spent on the pier instead.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: BMD on December 12, 2011, 05:01:21 PM
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To be honest I do not like any of it, I would prefer the money to be spent on the pier instead.

I'd rather see the pier renovated too. And I suspect that if a poll was conducted, it'd show a large majority stating a preference for strolling along a beautiful Victorian pier - over jet-skiing, etc.

My concern is that the 'Watersports Hotspot' building is going through planning permission with little resistance - based on a false perception that there is public support for the design. The public support was for the original winning design - relative to the other entries (most of which looked like non-starters - almost Mickey Mouse proposals). The design being built is completely different in appearance from the "approved" winning entry (even though it has the same underlying concept).

It would be tragic if a basically unattractive building were built in that spot - based on false perceptions of what the "public" "approves" of.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: mull on December 12, 2011, 08:51:22 PM
Somebody is trying to slip through a change to what  most people are happy with.

Dont let it happen.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: DaveR on December 12, 2011, 09:10:26 PM
Nice Blog, BMD, please keep up the good work. I agree that the original design has been compromised significantly, no doubt to save a few quid. For such a prominent building on the renovated  Promenade, this is not really acceptable - it should be designed and built to the highest standards.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: BMD on December 13, 2011, 08:04:18 AM
Thanks, Dave (and mull & Merddin),

I was quite encouraged last night after there was some debate about this on Twitter, leading to a BBC reporter contacting me. It's clear that my concerns are shared by many (including by some people who are well-informed on the issue).

So, hopefully, there'll be some further debate... and maybe even reappraisal if enough people express their concerns.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 13, 2011, 09:34:59 AM
I'm no expert on planning, but I was under the impression that you had to stick to the plans that were approved
otherwise it had to be approved again?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: BMD on December 13, 2011, 10:49:11 AM
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I'm no expert on planning, but I was under the impression that you had to stick to the plans that were approved
otherwise it had to be approved again?

The planning permission is here: http://tinyurl.com/c3ngg64 (http://tinyurl.com/c3ngg64)

It was submitted in early August and approved in October. So, the altered design has been formally approved - although perhaps not "approved" in public opinion (since the public has not been well informed about the design changes).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 13, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
With planning though I believe that it has to comply with planning law and if it does public opinion does not matter planning wise (I must stress that's not how it should be!!)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: Ian on December 13, 2011, 04:21:24 PM
Excellent blog, BMD;  let's hope your shrewd observations cause more than a few ripples.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront: Design CHANGES!
Post by: BMD on December 13, 2011, 04:51:57 PM
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Excellent blog, BMD;  let's hope your shrewd observations cause more than a few ripples.

Thanks, Ian. It seems to have done that, I'm glad to say. I've been contacted by the local press for quotes, and the Clwyd West MP has just been in touch. Hopefully there'll be some press coverage of the issue, then some real debate/scrutiny in the days to follow...
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Post by: DaveR on December 13, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
Did the Daily Post get in touch?
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Post by: BMD on December 13, 2011, 10:33:50 PM
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Did the Daily Post get in touch?

Not to my knowledge, no.
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Post by: BMD on December 14, 2011, 01:39:19 PM
Update: Daily Post has now left me a message to get in touch; not spoken with them yet.

The local paper, North Wales Pioneer has the story fairly prominently printed on page 3 of this morning's edition, with a few of the images from my blog showing old/new design comparison. There's also an online version showing one (different) picture here: http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/108797/-featureless-fear-over-latest-design-for-bay-hotspot.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/108797/-featureless-fear-over-latest-design-for-bay-hotspot.aspx)
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Post by: dwsi on December 14, 2011, 06:59:28 PM
I've forwarded the blog post to a BBC reporter i know, he's very interested in the story
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Post by: BMD on December 15, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
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I've forwarded the blog post to a BBC reporter i know, he's very interested in the story

Thanks for that, dwsi. I'll check the BBC for coverage. 

There's a piece in the Daily Post today which quotes me. It's not great as I'm quoted out of context (the comment about "sharp internal corners" sounds like a health & safety thing - and I didn't use the word "sharp"). Also the comparison of the design to a "skip" isn't mine - I was reporting what others had said.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/12/15/first-phase-of-colwyn-bay-s-new-6-5m-prom-complete-55578-29956774/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/12/15/first-phase-of-colwyn-bay-s-new-6-5m-prom-complete-55578-29956774/)

The statement from Hywel Jones (Project Manager) is the same thing that was printed yesterday in the Pioneer: “Last year, the design competition presented six different concepts/ideas. The winning design was refined and since then numerous consultation events have taken place. Planning approval was given in October and the design has not changed since then.”

Well, nobody is claiming the design has changed since October. The point is whether the "numerous consultations" adequately publicised the regressive changes (or "refinements") to the design prior to submission for planning permission in August. Bear in mind that the council uploaded a promotional video showing the original design in all its glory - in June.
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Post by: DaveR on January 21, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Some stunning images of the construction work here:

http://www.antclausen.com/2011/08/19/volker-stevin-colwyn-bay-seafront/ (http://www.antclausen.com/2011/08/19/volker-stevin-colwyn-bay-seafront/)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 21, 2012, 10:04:54 PM
Excellent pics there, but driving past all I can see is giant concrete blocks, I hope it looks better whenever it is finished!
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Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
I was in Rhyl at the weekend and there's even more work going on at their Prom:
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Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2012, 06:54:10 PM
..and some photos showing the painfully slow state of progress at Colwyn Bay Waterfront:
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Post by: yearn2earncashdotcom on February 11, 2012, 09:37:26 PM
Hi to all!
This seems to be the best place to ask this.
Could anyone please upload some video of the current work in progress of the Colwyn bay waterfront project? Perhaps a clip a week, if you feel like it?
I have been worried for a while now that far from improving Colwyn bay, they might actually end up making it worse, and from what I've read here and elsewhere on other blogs these fears might actually come true.
I do want the pier to be rejuvenated, because I have such happy memories of going there when younger (well, I’m only in my thirties now, but I meant when I was about 5 years old, and even then I only remember going about halfway down the pier!)
I also hope that the promenade gets done up to protect the road and local homes and businesses along the way - but I wouldn’t want it to become a sort of white elephant that no one is going to use much or benefit from - just look at the way all the new work at Rhyl over the years seems to have made something people don’t value!
My family have been going on holiday to Towyn (and spending time in Rhyl, Abergele, Colwyn bay, Rhos-on-sea and Llandudno) for the last 60 or so years, and so we are all concerned about what might be happening.
Anyway, sorry for the long rambling words and reminiscing bit - but if someone could film a few videos and upload them to YouTube that would be great!
Thanks,
Paul.
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Post by: Yorkie on February 11, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
Unusual name

yearntoearncash.com    - what's that all about?  I could do with some spare, as probably we all could - what's the secret?
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Post by: DaveR on February 11, 2012, 10:48:22 PM
I've got plenty, thanks. ;)

Seeing this thread revived has reminded me that the new waterfront centre is to be called 'Porth Eirias'.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on February 11, 2012, 10:53:55 PM
Definitely?
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Post by: John Oddy on February 12, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
At the beginning of the, long drawn out, pier saga I was one of those that fought to keep it and still would if it was handled correctly. Unfortunately I do not believe that Shore Thing is the right answer and that it will only be a matter of time before it’s upkeep , once again, will fall on the tax payers of Conwy.
The waterfront design, as ugly as it is, is here to stay and is more to do with coastal erosion than it is to do with anything else. The serious issue of the sea eating it’s way under the road and railway had to be addressed and this was the best answer they could come up with.
I do not believe that any serious thought was put into combining the two problems, the pier and the erosion, they could both of been dealt with together and enhanced the seafront and made it, once again, a place that people would visit.
Just off our shores we have some of the deepest water for miles; if we allowed one of the big power companies to build an underwater wall from Rhos Point to Llanddulas Point in which they could put turbines that worked on the rise and fall of the tide (not the in and out tidal motion) generating electricity, guaranteed, twice a day they, in return, would pay for our sea defences and extending the pier. Once the pier is extended we put a pontoon marina at the end of it, the marina and the shoreline will be protected by the underwater wall making it the only non-tidal marina in North Wales. We allow one of the big gaming companies to build a casino on the pier in return for their responsibility of it’s, the piers, maintenance, we build shops and accommodation along the pier, allow for cafes, bistros and restaurants to be built so that people using the marina have places to go. The town, the hotels and the people of Colwyn Bay all benefit from it, the creation of jobs, both on the pier and the turbine project, will help with employment and it would do more to safeguard the future of the town than turning it into a Civic Centre, which is something I have always said is the Councils’ intentions. It doesn’t take a genius to work these things out.....just a bit of forethought and care about the town.
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Post by: yearn2earncashdotcom on February 12, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
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Unusual name

yearntoearncash.com    - what's that all about?  I could do with some spare, as probably we all could - what's the secret?

You know what, it’s funny. As soon as I made my details for this account I regretted using that username. I would rather have been "RossiFan" or perhaps "SennaFan" which is the type of username I would normally choose when registering for non internet marketing forums. I’m so used to trying to get my own website name out there I do it automatically these days!
Anyway, back to Colwyn bay front, and although as a non local I wouldn’t have the right to stick my nose in, I would definitely agree that some of what John Oddy has to say might be in the areas best interest.
In a world were only money matters in deciding what gets done and what doesn’t, you need something controversial (like the gambling and the power companies turbines) to generate the money to look after an area properly. Its either that or wait until the problem goes away - as in wait until the pier falls down completely then there is nothing else to do about it.
The problem of the erosion and the road/railway line is going to go away though, and so something needs be done - but not just "anything", but instead something that’s right.
Gambling on the pier would be controversial (not much worse than the lottery though I guess) but could generate some money.
All just my thoughts inspired by John.
(And if anyone is going by Colwyn bay front with a video camera, please record a bit of footage and upload to YouTube for me - thanks!)
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Post by: dwsi on February 12, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Colwyn Bay Waterfront Project - YouTube http://bit.ly/wWekcz (http://bit.ly/wWekcz)
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Post by: dwsi on February 13, 2012, 11:14:59 PM
Conwy County Borough Council : 13/02/12 - Watersports Centre Contractor Appointed http://bit.ly/AdMsjc (http://bit.ly/AdMsjc)
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Post by: ormegolf on March 07, 2012, 03:46:56 PM
The main initial contractor has now left this site, no cranes, diggers etc. and for a matter of a day or so, or maybe even hours or so before the next contractor moves in, the site is empty. I took the opportunity to have a quick look through the gateway and I was amazed by the size of the "new" bit of land that has been created. IT IS HUGH. Best take a look at it before you look at dwsi's you tube link. Then you will be surprised like I was. Mike
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Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2012, 06:01:04 PM
A few iPhone photos:
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Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2012, 04:28:46 PM
The new Waterfront Building starts to emerge...
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Post by: dwsi on May 06, 2012, 12:26:30 PM
BBC News - Colwyn Bay: Porth Eirias watersports building framework built http://bbc.in/KErwJ0 (http://bbc.in/KErwJ0)

Colwyn Bay: Porth Eirias watersports building framework built

The steelwork supporting a new watersports building on the promenade at Colwyn Bay has been put in place.

The project is part of the Bay Life+ programme which includes redevelopment of the Conwy county town's seafront and coastal defences.

The Porth Eirias building is expected to be completed by late autumn.

Members of the public can visit the Wynne Construction community liaison suite at the site to find out more about the work.

"The arrival of the first part of the steel frame marks another milestone in this major regeneration project for Colwyn Bay," said Hywel Jones, the project manager on behalf of Conwy council.

"Over the coming weeks we're looking forward to seeing the structure of the new building continue to take shape," he added.

Wynne Construction's community relationship manager is based on site at the community liaison suite every Monday from 10:00 - 12:00 BST, and Thursday between 14:00 - 16:00 BST, when the public can view and discuss the plans.
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Post by: DaveR on May 12, 2012, 07:50:47 PM
How it looks now:
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Post by: majormellons on May 12, 2012, 10:10:21 PM
I over-heard today. that this build is running into a "MASSIVE overspend, and the s__t is really going to hit the fan when the final tally is released".......sadly I was not able to glean any more info as my hearing is not as good as it was.

Anyone else heard anything?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 12, 2012, 10:51:39 PM
I can't see it being finished by summer 2012 somehow!  The money should have gone on the pier, no doubt it's all different budgets... blah blah... Will be interesting to see the final cost, I wonder who will pay it?  ;)
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Post by: DaveR on June 23, 2012, 05:14:26 PM
Progress....
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Post by: ormegolf on July 14, 2012, 09:11:59 PM
    First. I dont know anything about this subject.
   However, last weekend and maybe Mon and Tues there was great activity. Now all the shale/hardcore is covered with many layers of very nice tarmac, and very nice and tidy it looks too.
   But, there is a considerable amount of concrete to go into the site. Have a look yourself. You can tell where it is going by the iron  rods sticking upwards. So HGV bringing the concrete plus pumping equipment to lift it up, plus this and that.
   I appreciate that the tar goes fairly hard after maybe 36 hours. But would'nt it have been more sensible to keep the tarmac to the very end?
  I think so. You wouldnt get me tarring my drive {if I had one} knowing that maybe 20 or 30 lorries are about to arrive   Mike
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 14, 2012, 11:25:33 PM
Every time we drive past I think 'what an eyesore' I wish they'd left it all alone and sorted out the pier instead!
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Post by: Yorkie on July 15, 2012, 08:55:23 AM
I have never seen such a relatively minor construction take so long in all my years in the industry, or such a vast amount of equipment being (under) utilised!   It is obviously costing us a bomb!   $angry2$
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Post by: DaveR on July 17, 2012, 06:24:37 PM
Current photo:
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Post by: snowcap on July 17, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
it looks like a stunt car ramp
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Looks like a disaster area! Looks like G4S are running the project!
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Post by: Yorkie on July 18, 2012, 08:54:19 AM
Looks like a White Elephant - a road to nowhere!   >>>
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
As if we don't have enough eyesores already, this is one being built deliberately !  :twoface:
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Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 12:29:22 PM
Coming on well now but for what purpose I wonder!
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Post by: DaveR on August 12, 2012, 09:16:38 AM
Current photos:
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Post by: Yorkie on August 12, 2012, 09:40:24 AM
Makes one want to drive up the ramp at 90 miles per hour and leap into the sea from the top!  Or does it have some practical use?   :)
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Post by: snowcap on August 13, 2012, 12:48:41 AM
can you swim Yorkie?, let me know when your going to give it a go, bet fester will come as well.
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Post by: Yorkie on August 13, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
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can you swim Yorkie?, let me know when your going to give it a go, bet fester will come as well.

No problem snowcap, swimming was my sport, except that what I used to do in 59 seconds the girls are now doing in a bit over 50!   That's progress I suppose.   :D

When I passed by yesterday I got the impression it was going to be a filling station.  Pull in - fill up - drive one.    D)
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Post by: Blongb on August 21, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
Remember when Rhyl spent in excess of £30M on their Waterfront Redevelopment? That didn't work either &shake&
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Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2012, 08:33:39 PM
Current photos:
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Post by: Blongb on September 16, 2012, 11:50:23 AM
I’ll like to say one positive thing about it Dave, it’s got a very practical sea wall design, which means they won’t have to put stones on the beach.  8)
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Post by: Quiggs on September 16, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
It's not a hive of activity is it. !   &shake&
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Post by: ormegolf on September 16, 2012, 07:33:59 PM
No. Despite all the gloomy predictions of being behind schedule from virtually everyone on the forum, it's now ahead of the completion date. I reckon you should all apologise. ( not me. I've always thought it was keeping to time. Clever clogs mike)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 16, 2012, 07:38:36 PM
I still think it's an eyesore! Hopefully it will grow on me when it's completed!
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Post by: Fester on September 16, 2012, 07:51:17 PM
Will I be able to hire a jet ski from there when its completed?

I wanna go on a jet ski, but I don't want to buy one outright.
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Post by: DaveR on September 16, 2012, 08:20:05 PM
I thought it was supposed to have been ready last month, Mike?
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Post by: ormegolf on October 08, 2012, 08:08:51 PM
   A WINDFARM ON COLWN BAY PROM?   Don't get alarmed, its not going to happen. But a couple of "windmills" are about to go up on the waterfront.  Mike
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Post by: BMD on October 26, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
You now get an idea of the finished appearance of the part of the building pointing out to sea. The fears I expressed in my blog (link below) seem warranted - the featureless expanse of zinc cladding makes it reminiscent - sadly - of a giant skip (somebody predicted this prior to construction).

(http://i49.tinypic.com/14ceix0.jpg)

The image above is from 'The High Sheriff of Clwyd' - I hope to take some of my own shortly, for an update to my blog.

I think it's a shame. Clearly there are some good intentions at work, as parts of the design seem well thought-out. But, I as pointed out in my original post, there's always a risk that a large featureless "slab" will look ugly. Now that the zinc cladding is in place, I think we can see this. The contrast with the actual winning design (shown at my blog) couldn't be more striking. Remember: public approval was for the winning design - NOT for the substantially amended design that's been built.

I discussed the issue with David Jones (Clwyd West MP, and now Welsh Secretary) after my blog was published last year. He'd contacted me, and seemed to share my concerns (which he later raised with councillors). But I think that, by then, it was too late in the process, as the building already had planning approval.

If anyone knows of any plans to improve the appearance of the sea-facing zinc "wedge" (eg cosmetic/decorative effects), please let me know.

My blog article: http://colwynbay.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/waterfront-project/ (http://colwynbay.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/waterfront-project/)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 26, 2012, 04:20:28 PM
Looking from the road, a large part of it seems to be clad in old fence panels!  ???
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Post by: DaveR on October 27, 2012, 08:47:50 AM
It does look very stark & harsh at present. What was originally a great design has been watered down by cost cutting considerations into a bit of a mess. &shake&
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 27, 2012, 10:20:39 AM
Great pics of the monstrosity, looks like half a motorway flyover partly clad in old fence panels, also how on earth can it take so long to build it?  &shake&
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Post by: Yorkie on October 27, 2012, 12:25:38 PM
There is now what appears to be a wind generator.    $walesflag$
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 27, 2012, 08:11:47 PM
We went past yesterday and saw one wind generator, today we went past and there are two working!
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Post by: ormegolf on October 27, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
Don,t worry.  There are no more to go up. Mike
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Post by: BMD on October 28, 2012, 12:19:47 AM
"Old fence panels"! - I knew the wood-clad bits reminded me of something.

It's a strange hodge-podge. Bland zinc cladding and wavy wood panelling. Architects often strive to keep a design in character with surrounding buildings. Here, the main challenge seems to be ensuring that the design keeps in character with itself.

(Great photos thoughout this thread, DaveR - thanks).
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 30, 2012, 10:38:38 PM
This should really be in the eyesore section!  &shake&

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/PA220490_edited.jpg)

The giant skip!

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/PA220491_edited.jpg)
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Post by: snowcap on October 30, 2012, 11:15:41 PM
c,mon its  a restored landing craft from the Normandy beaches surely
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 30, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
 :laugh:
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Post by: Fester on October 31, 2012, 12:18:25 AM
Here is a shuttlecraft from the original 60's Star Trek TV series... remind you of anything?

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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 31, 2012, 07:10:16 AM
Yes  :laugh:
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Post by: DaveR on October 31, 2012, 08:11:47 AM
It does seem a terrible missed opportunity, when you consider you could have had an elegantly curving glass fronted building on that site, with the watersports centre on ground floor and a cafe/restaurant at first floor level with outside balcony and views in all directions.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 31, 2012, 08:23:29 AM
That is what I was expecting, instead we have another eyesore that blends in with nothing around it  &shake&
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Post by: ormegolf on December 05, 2012, 05:06:53 PM
     Since this job was started coming up to two years ago I always maintained that it was ahead of schedule. However, as far as the external appearance goes it appears to have died a death. Yes, there is work, considerable work, going on inside, out of sight. But as to the outside, nothing.
     I read somewhere, fairly recently, that it was stated, without any ifs or buts, the project would be completed "in the late Autumn."   One glance at the site and anyone with two eyes can see there is absolutely no chance of this being completed before Xmas. It would take that long just to tidy away all the skips etc etc scattered around outside. Which, of course, leads on to the question "Late Autumn. But what year?"
     I am irritated by the attitude problem that envelopes Councils. Its over a year, maybe 18 months, ago that adverts appeared in the press calling for expressions of interest from traders in the retail units.  How long were they given to size the whole thing up (not a brick had been laid) and get their names on the list?  Eighteen months ago.  But, with barely concealed distaste at having to deal with the commercial rif raf which might be interested, they had SEVEN DAYS to get their pens to paper   Mike
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Post by: DaveR on December 05, 2012, 07:58:33 PM
I'm fairly sure that the original completion date was scheduled to be 'Summer 2012'. Like Mike says, it's looking to be maybe next February now.
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Post by: Yorkie on December 05, 2012, 09:11:38 PM
As we used to say in the business, "An Architects Dream and a Builder's nightmare!".    Give it a few years and it will be yet another White Elephant.    Z@@
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Post by: DaveR on December 11, 2012, 11:09:20 AM
First Minister Carwyn Jones has visited the £3.7m Porth Eirias watersports development in Colwyn Bay.

Mr Jones described the development as "truly impressive" and said the watersports centre would be a "landmark building on the North Wales coast and a symbol of confidence in the area".

The project involves building a groyne and importing 400,000 tonnes of sand to reinstate the beach at Colwyn Bay.

Project manager Hywel Jones said developers hope the scheme will be completed by the start of the tourist season in April.

Daily Post Live Blog
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Post by: Yorkie on December 11, 2012, 11:51:39 AM
You failed to mention which year!   L0L
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Post by: Fester on December 11, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
....and they said they HOPE it will be finished by April.

Doesn't sound very definite does it?

I wonder if Mr Jones thinks that the management of this project was also 'truly impressive'?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 11, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
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First Minister Carwyn Jones has visited the £3.7m Porth Eirias watersports development in Colwyn Bay.

Mr Jones described the development as "truly impressive" and said the watersports centre would be a "landmark building on the North Wales coast.

Yes if you're a fan of giant skips, motorway flyovers, old fence panels and buildings that in no way fit in with the local surroundings, then it's ideal!  I on the other hand think it's truly hideous!  &shake&
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Post by: romanjohn on December 12, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
i quite agree. i think the local schools could do better  in drawing a plan of how they want the victoria pier to look like, after all it it is there heritage and fore everybody to enjoy.                                                                         is there any feed back on the lottery aplication yet for the pier yet   romanjohn
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Post by: dwsi on December 13, 2012, 12:37:16 PM
How long will it take for a bad storm to rip those panels off?
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Post by: DaveR on December 15, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Watersports Centre about an hour after High Tide today. Lucky there wasn't a breath of wind maybe?
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Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Construction News article on the new Watersports Centre:

http://www.cnplus.co.uk/on-site/project-report/wynne-constructions-watersports-project-kick-starts-colwyn-bay-regeneration/8641028.article (http://www.cnplus.co.uk/on-site/project-report/wynne-constructions-watersports-project-kick-starts-colwyn-bay-regeneration/8641028.article)
Title: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on February 03, 2013, 01:58:36 AM
 :o I was shocked to find out yesterday that the Snack Kiosks on the Colwyn Bay Promenade were being closed quite soon(march)by the Council, taking away yet another amenity and putting the traders who run them out of business. Rhos in-particular has not been earmarked for any coastal erosion work for poss 2 years, as the man from one of the kiosks there informed me.
These little Kiosks are what have kept the prom popular whilst all the disruption of the Waterfront development has been going on. A place where folk could stop for a cuppa etc.  Young, and not so young and disabled folk didn't have to walk far from their cars if they couldn't. Parking has been easy and free. FREE! now that's a word we don't hear a lot.
The Kiosk Traders have been given a rough deal, some were promised, as i have been led to believe a first refusal on the new development. Actually you can read an article in the North Wales Weekly to confirm. Apparently that's not going to happen now,looks like the council have done yet another u turn.
I, for one have always been able to take my mother down there for coffee and a chat whilst looking at the sea and beach and I'm sure so many other folk will feel the same. Locals , visitors and a lot of tradespeople use this amenity.
Can you imagine the congestion of traffic and parking near this new Waterfront to get to the cafe there, as it could be the same at Rhos
where folk will try to park to visit a cafe there. Sadly that could be an accident waiting to happen in an already heavily congested area. Or people just wont stay around the area. How can the council let the Pier stand in such bad repair, looking dreadful and yet close the little kiosks down when they have been kept clean and tidy. We should support these traders by writing to our local councillors to see what can be done before its too late. I hate to sound negative, as we live a a lovely part of Wales but more and more i feel compelled to travel further a field for leisure time, walking and so on. Will other folk feel the same.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on February 03, 2013, 07:50:05 AM
Do you think the kiosks may eventually pose a threat to any food outlets included in the new waterfront development?
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Post by: Ian on February 03, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
I think you're spot on about the free parking and the kiosks, Linda. They combine to make Colwyn Bay's prom very attractive. If the new development is designed to enhance the prom facilities then what harm would it do to leave the kiosks in place? They're a pleasant and relatively unobtrusive feature of the prom.
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Post by: hollins on February 03, 2013, 08:35:38 AM
O'h no, that would be awful Linda. I love stopping there for a cup of tea on my way back from shopping.
I do hope this doesn't happen. Is it perhaps a temporary measure while other improvements are going on?
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Post by: DaveR on February 03, 2013, 08:49:57 AM
As I understand it, the only kiosks closing are the two between the Pier and the Watersports Centre, as they are being demolished for the next stage of the Prom rebuilding. The two kiosks over by Rhos are unaffected. There will be a new cafe opening in the Watersports Centre.
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Post by: Hugo on February 03, 2013, 10:43:34 AM
That's good news for the Rhos Kiosks.  The one nearest the pier has a 5 star food hygeine rating and the food and drink there is very good.
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Post by: DaveR on February 03, 2013, 10:48:52 AM
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That's good news for the Rhos Kiosks.  The one nearest the pier has a 5 star food hygeine rating and the food and drink there is very good.
Agreed. Some would say its the only one worth going to.
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Post by: Linda on February 03, 2013, 10:18:49 PM
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As I understand it, the only kiosks closing are the two between the Pier and the Watersports Centre, as they are being demolished for the next stage of the Prom rebuilding. The two kiosks over by Rhos are unaffected. There will be a new cafe opening in the Watersports Centre.
Hi DaveR I was told by the man running the Kiosk closest to Rhos, the he had been informed he could be closed March (next month) He seemed pretty anxious and said he was in the process of speaking with his local councillor etc. If anyone knows for fact  if those two Kiosks near the Cayley embankment are safe( As the man was told he would be for a year or two) Please let him know for as far as hes concerned he has been told different.
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Post by: Linda on February 03, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
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O'h no, that would be awful Linda. I love stopping there for a cup of tea on my way back from shopping.
I do hope this doesn't happen. Is it perhaps a temporary measure while other improvements are going on?
Hi hollins, Sadly the plans dont seem to include anything, lets hope we are wrong .They are a convenient amenity and a bucket , spade and ice cream supplier to all on the beach. Very sad if we cant offer that except in one venue the water sports centre, long trek up the prom for the children and all beach users.
Don't get me wrong, I am all the improvements and we badly need this work doing on our sea defences but if all these kiosks are closed till work begins what an eyesore and how long before vandals start to daub on the buildings.
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Post by: Linda on February 03, 2013, 10:43:32 PM
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Do you think the kiosks may eventually pose a threat to any food outlets included in the new waterfront development?
Hi Bri, you could be right, but i dont think Rhos have had any problems filling their cafes etc with customers over the years, because of a couple of Kiosks. I heard something about Dinosaur World pulling out of Erias because they could not have a cafe,  refused on the grounds that it could damage trade for the leisure centre. Ummmm! makes you wonder. Just feel for the kiosk traders and their customers. It seems such a loss.
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Post by: Linda on February 03, 2013, 10:54:44 PM
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That's good news for the Rhos Kiosks.  The one nearest the pier has a 5 star food hygeine rating and the food and drink there is very good.
Agreed. Some would say its the only one worth going to.
Not sure which one you mean, do you mean the one with the slipway nr the pier or near the Cayley as both those seem pretty ok to me. I cant speak for the others east of the pier as its been so difficult that end to park whilst the watersports centre work has gone on. In the past i have used them in between business apps. iv been going to. They were ok.
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Post by: Yorkie on February 04, 2013, 07:27:21 AM
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I heard something about Dinosaur World pulling out of Erias because they could not have a cafe,  refused on the grounds that it could damage trade for the leisure centre.

Sound to me like a bit of restrictive practices, and probably illegal to boot!  Especially if the Leisure Centre is Council run!  Do you have any more information?  ;)
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Post by: DaveR on February 04, 2013, 08:32:59 AM
I have contacted CCBC and asked them to clarify the issue of the kiosks.
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Post by: DaveR on February 04, 2013, 09:41:34 AM
Plan of Phase 1B of Project starting mid-Feb - importing sand onto beach area stretching from Watersports Centre to bottom of Marine Road:

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/534/General_Arrangement.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/534/General_Arrangement.pdf)
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Post by: Linda on February 04, 2013, 10:10:29 AM
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I have contacted CCBC and asked them to clarify the issue of the kiosks.
Great at least we will know if this is true and why so soon for the Rhos Kiosks. Better having the facts before ranting on to any councillors
I think $thanx$
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Post by: Linda on February 04, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
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I heard something about Dinosaur World pulling out of Erias because they could not have a cafe,  refused on the grounds that it could damage trade for the leisure centre.

Sound to me like a bit of restrictive practices, and probably illegal to boot!  Especially if the Leisure Centre is Council run!  Do you have any more information?  ;)
Sadly over Dinosaur World no. Interesting to find out though. Another independent business makes you think doesnt it.
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Post by: DaveR on February 04, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
I'm sure the Dinosaur World story is very true. When I worked with Cllr Oddy to try and revive Eirias Park a few years ago, one of our plans was to reopen the Pavilion by the lower car park as a small cafe. We were told that we couldn't do that as it would affect Leisure Centre cafe trade.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2459/3845002929_b9471113f4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3845002929/)
Pavilion of Splendour (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3845002929/#) by [davidrobertsphotography] (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: FatAndy on February 04, 2013, 08:38:08 PM
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I'm sure the Dinosaur World story is very true. When I worked with Cllr Oddy to try and revive Eirias Park a few years ago, one of our plans was to reopen the Pavilion by the lower car park as a small cafe. We were told that we couldn't do that as it would affect Leisure Centre cafe trade.

The biggest threat to the Leisure Centre's cafe trade is the Leisure Centre's cafe itself.  My youngest goes for swimming lessons at the leisure centre so I have to endure that cafe for half an hour a week and it's by far the worst cafe in the area.  The food is abysmal and considering it's a leisure centre the food is pretty much all unhealthy stodge served up with chips (if you want a healthy meal go outside and grab a handful of grass from the field).  All the cutlery and crockery is plastic, the tables and chairs are all bolted to the floor and the windows are usually impossible to see of thanks to the condensation.  I grudgingly buy a hot drink, £1.20 and served up in a cardboard cup from a vending machine behind the counter, but only because I'm a captive audience.  The place needs ripping out and starting from scratch.  They should take a look at the place in the Bay View centre for inspiration, it's cheap and cheerful but good food and excellent value (the toast there is wonderful).

n.b. Dan's Den have recently opened a new cafe in the old toilet block opposite the astroturf pitches (haven't been there yet) but they presumably got special treatment being a local charity.
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Post by: DaveR on February 04, 2013, 09:16:52 PM
That's what happens when you let the Council run such a facility. No imagination, no attention to detail and no-one cares.... It loses money, I believe.

I've been in Dans Den cafe when it first opened. I ordered a coffee and shuddered when i saw the lid come off a catering size tin of Nescrape.  &shake&
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Post by: ormegolf on February 04, 2013, 10:02:26 PM
  Fat Andy, I am with you one hundred per cent on both your points. Not the P.S., I don't know about that.
   But the first two, I've spent hours and hours in the swimming pool cafe because I had no choice, I used to take school youngsters swimming there when I drove a coach. They used to give me what they thought was preferential treatment being the driver. God help any "ordinary"customer. It was unbelievably bad in every possible way.
  Toast in the Bay View centre. I live on it, eat it most days. When I dont have that I have scrambled eggs on toast.
   I'm going to watch out for a well built gentleman eating toast when I go there tomorrow----and congratulate him on his post.  Mike
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 04, 2013, 10:27:30 PM
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I ordered a coffee and shuddered when i saw the lid come off a catering size tin of Nescrape.  &shake&

 :-X  :laugh:
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Post by: Fester on February 04, 2013, 11:00:06 PM
Dave, I think your answer from CCBC...(should you ever get one)... will be most interesting.
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Post by: Linda on February 05, 2013, 12:31:08 AM
I wonder if there will be an answer from the Council or not, I think there have been many u turns and maybe they will hide behind closed doors.

Think i will write anyway, incidentally  the last Kiosk near Rhos does a wicked toasted teacake ;). I also think the Leisure centre cafe is pants
especially for parents and grandparents waiting for the children. If that is a sample of a Council run cafe, don't hold much hope for the waterfront unless it uses a franchise
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on February 08, 2013, 08:11:47 PM
  This has started. Portacabins and toilets arrived this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on February 08, 2013, 11:57:24 PM
Hi Dave,
have you heard anything from CCBC over the Cayley Kiosks yet. Just wondering who to contact there, other than Phil Edwards Councillor for Rhos.  :)
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Post by: Bri Roberts on February 09, 2013, 08:18:08 AM
Linda, your ward has another three councillors other than Cllr Phil Edwards who can all help you.

http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgFindMember.aspx?XXR=0&AC=WARD&WID=425 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgFindMember.aspx?XXR=0&AC=WARD&WID=425)

Please let us know the outcome.
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Post by: Yorkie on February 09, 2013, 04:12:31 PM
Put in a Freedom of Information request, they are obliged to answer within 20 days.  ££$
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Post by: ormegolf on February 09, 2013, 09:24:18 PM
  What are the penalties if they don't answer?
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Post by: Yorkie on February 10, 2013, 08:50:19 AM
Action taken by Information Commissioner, slap on wrist, official letter, and that's about it.  There are stiffer penalties but don't know if they have been used locally.  >>>

£5,000 in Majistrates Court.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on February 10, 2013, 05:37:27 PM
Current progress:
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Post by: Linda on February 10, 2013, 07:58:43 PM
Thanks for the info folk, i will try to get somes answers $thanx$ or it may be no one will want to talk about it :-X
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Post by: Linda on February 10, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
Great Photo!

Just wonder though How many Housing estates and major roads could have been built in the time it has taken

for them to reach this stage :roll:
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Post by: DaveR on February 11, 2013, 09:16:41 AM
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Hi Dave,
have you heard anything from CCBC over the Cayley Kiosks yet. Just wondering who to contact there, other than Phil Edwards Councillor for Rhos.  :)
Not heard back yet. The auto reply said 10 working days, so still time.
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Post by: Linda on February 11, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Thanks, I  have also sent letters to two individual Councillors so hopefully we should here something  :roll:
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Post by: Linda on February 11, 2013, 01:29:28 PM
Just to let everyone know, I had an email from cllr Phil Edwards this morn to say that he was in discussion with the kiosks lease holders and the Council over the threatened closure of the Rhos Kiosks.

I hope that doesnt mean they had already rubber stamped closures. I dont want to repeat myself but that would mean 2 empty kiosks
until Rhos prom work was started ,whenever that is. The very pleasant outlook of the Cayley prom area will therefore be compromised during the summer. I did also write to another cllr, waiting to see if I hear from him.

This may seem trivial to some ,I dont know, but with all the work starting at Old Colwyn on the front and all the sand being brought in
between the Waterfront and the Marine drive area, this only leaves the Cayley end tidy for the spring visitors, what are the Council thinking of. I also noted that the Council have given a license to a mobile snack van. Maybe thats what will happen while the kiosks get closed  down the Council will allow mobile icecream vans etc on. What a great way to thank the kiosks traders.On the upside you never
know how things pan put in the end.

Colwyn prom will certainly be interesting, with a waterfront area and sand (hopefully it will stay in place ) _))*  and not land up at Rhos or Llanddulas  or Long shore drift could create a very nice desert island out in the bay.The pier will be done up. hopefully in a similar style to the waterfront now, otherwise it could look a bit odd done in a victorian style against the modern bunker skip design of the waterfront.(Everyone iv spoken to refer to it as the skip)  . Also hopefully the Council will get to grips with Erias Park and the sad eyesore of the old boating lake. Seeing as the Civic Centre have a lovely frontage and at the rear ,a nice model boating pool.
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Post by: cygnusx-1 on February 11, 2013, 07:49:01 PM
It does take more time when the tide is in and out twice a day of course!
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Post by: Linda on February 11, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
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It does take more time when the tide is in and out twice a day of course!
Yes of course your right about the base structure taking time because of the tides, I was referring to the building work on top of the base and the steps etc. I would imagine that could be worked on and has been during high tides. There only ever seems to be a few people working on it at any one time. The Waterfront project i was led to believe was suppose to be completed last year. We have  passed that way almost daily to work etc.
and progress seems very slow in comparison to other coastal and sea defence work. Still who knows ,we may see it completed this year.
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Post by: Nemesis on February 12, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
It looks to have a long way to go. :(
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Post by: DaveR on February 12, 2013, 11:29:06 AM
The official opening is 18/19th May, to coincide with Prom Day:

The annual Bay of Colwyn Promenade Day that normally takes place on the first Bank Holiday in May will undergo a massive overhaul for 2013.   The event is to be re-branded and will take place over the weekend of 18th – 19th May.

As well as a new brand and date the event will also be moving site, making its way along the promenade towards Colwyn Bay with a road closure in place from Marine Drive, Colwyn Bay to the A55 slip road at Old Colwyn, allowing a family fun event for all in a safe environment.

The weekend will also see the official opening of Porth Eirias, the new watersports hotspot due to open to the public in late spring.  Organisers, Conwy County Borough Council, want to showcase the potential of this fantastic new facility, the improved defences and the redeveloped beach, which will be a great asset to the local area and the event.

As well as the traditional funfair taking place, new activities currently being explored include a giant sandcastle sculpture, beach party, local food market, an interactive kids zone, outdoor adrenaline fuelled experiences and many other beach and water based displays.
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Post by: Linda on February 13, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
Today I got another email, with reference to the Rhos Kiosks, apparently there is some legal wrangle going on ,

the councillor I wrote to says he has little experience in civil law ,but has notified the legal department of the CCBC to clarify.

Hummmm! I really dont know what this means, I suppose i had not better voice my speculation. Just have to wait and see  )*)&
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Post by: Red Kody on February 16, 2013, 05:28:35 PM
Hi Linda,

I have heard a rumour about the kiosks and feel the same way about the shabby way the traders are being treated. They are not getting any support from the local council who seem to do what they want without any thought to the wishes of the people who actually support the local businesses. It would seem that the pier is thier priority now that the new 'place'is nearly ready. The pier has reached its sell buy date councillors, it had a purpose when the boats called from Liverpool and Llandudno, it had a purpose when there were Banquets and Balls and when entertainment venues where frequently visited but now, no boats, no banquets, no bands only a rusting relic that will swallow a huge amount of money which in the time of recession we can ill afford, for what purpose?  The little kiosks are little oasis on a very long and boring promenade where locals and visitors alike, park up, enjoy the seaside and can have a cup of tea. We must not let the council close them without putting new ones in their stead,  and the current operators should be allowed to carry on, they have been doing a grand job for years and deserve some respect from the people who constantly call for more vistitor attractions. 
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Post by: ormegolf on February 16, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
  I'm not nit picking--just pointing out something so that in years to come no one can read your post and take it all as fact.  No boats bigger than a rowing boat, maybe, has ever called at Colwyn Bay pier. There is just not enough water.
  Rhos pier did have boats calling there. But again there wasent a lot of water---hence the wreck still visible looking westwards.  Mike
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Post by: Fester on February 16, 2013, 11:37:42 PM
A very good point Mike.
Steamships regularly plied their trade between Llandudno Pier and Liverpool, IOM and other places.... and even Rhyl Pier, (yes there was a pier at Rhyl) was designed to accommodate passenger vessels at all states of the tide.

But Colwyn Bay Pier was always a promenading Pier, a walkway out to sea, and a palace for entertainment.

That's not to say I wouldn't like to see it restored, because I would.
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Post by: viv on February 16, 2013, 11:49:40 PM
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Hi Linda,

I have heard a rumour about the kiosks and feel the same way about the shabby way the traders are being treated. They are not getting any support from the local council who seem to do what they want without any thought to the wishes of the people who actually support the local businesses. It would seem that the pier is thier priority now that the new 'place'is nearly ready. The pier has reached its sell buy date councillors, it had a purpose when the boats called from Liverpool and Llandudno, it had a purpose when there were Banquets and Balls and when entertainment venues where frequently visited but now, no boats, no banquets, no bands only a rusting relic that will swallow a huge amount of money which in the time of recession we can ill afford, for what purpose?  The little kiosks are little oasis on a very long and boring promenade where locals and visitors alike, park up, enjoy the seaside and can have a cup of tea. We must not let the council close them without putting new ones in their stead,  and the current operators should be allowed to carry on, they have been doing a grand job for years and deserve some respect from the people who constantly call for more vistitor attractions.

I agree 100%. Everyday I look out of my front room window across the Bay, and hope that it will have gone! Unfortunately even the recent strong winds haven't beaten it!


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Post by: viv on February 16, 2013, 11:56:07 PM
I agree 100%. Everyday I look out of my front room window across the Bay, and hope that it will have gone! Unfortunately even the recent strong winds haven't beaten it!

 I know that it will cost the Council a lot to demolish it, but at least that will be a one off payment, and then it will all be over and done with, rather than costing us a fortune for years to come.
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Post by: Linda on February 17, 2013, 12:09:22 AM
I have to agree,that although i would like to see the pier restored. I fear anything they put in there retail etc may not be sustainable
during the winter months, iv seen it all before , having had a friend with her very nice little shop on there,nobody wanted to walk down to the pier in the winter so she couldn't keep going.  I also feel the same about the facilities at the waterfront ,and the hidden areas may land up just being a meeting place for drug users etc after dark.
I hope this wont happen of course but having lived locally for many many years and seen a lot,makes me a little sceptical.
The Little Kiosks have survived throughout the years a number of them also open at the weekend out of season and with hot drinks etc affordable to most and a most welcome little haven and i feel also they have been let down badly.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on February 18, 2013, 11:48:55 PM
That sounds good, hope the weather is too. Ill get my bucket and spade and grandchildren ready. Ill need disabled parking for my husband does anyone know if there is any on the Waterfront development ?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on February 19, 2013, 06:56:53 AM
There will be some disabled spaces right by the front entrance to the building.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on February 22, 2013, 05:26:42 PM
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Hi Dave,
have you heard anything from CCBC over the Cayley Kiosks yet. Just wondering who to contact there, other than Phil Edwards Councillor for Rhos.  :)
Not heard back yet. The auto reply said 10 working days, so still time.
[Hi Dave have you heard anything from the CCBC over the Cayley Kiosks yet. I havent heard from my (other councillor) and so I dont know whats happening. I  havent been local this week as my daughter is having a baby, so busy but dont want to let interest diminish on these little Kiosks at the Cayley as there is nothing to replace them.
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Post by: Linda on February 22, 2013, 08:24:22 PM
I Just want to add quickly, that there are petitions at the Kiosks to sign. Please please support these small businesses that offer so much to the passing folk. The people of Rhos etc and visitors dont want to have to travel around the bay all the time to one venue on the waterfront, that will be probably very busy. We want our Kiosks left alone or rebuilt. Not a lot to ask .

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Post by: Linda on February 27, 2013, 11:59:22 PM
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I Just want to add quickly, that there are petitions at the Kiosks to sign. Please please support these small businesses that offer so much to the passing folk. The people of Rhos etc and visitors don't want to have to travel around the bay all the time to one venue on the waterfront, that will be probably very busy. We want our Kiosks left alone or rebuilt. Not a lot to ask .
I have some very good news, the Cayley Prom Kiosks that were due to close in March after they were given notice to quit by the Council, have been given a reprieve for the time being(I presume until work begins of sea defence there). The leaseholder i spoke to today was so happy. It seems a little support and work from local Councillor Phil Edwards has paid off HURRAY!A huge amount of folk signed the petition ,so thanks for that.

Linda: I've edited your post to make the quotes work properly. The main problem is that you're using the 'Quote' button on the post you want to quote from, but this has a habit of not working properly, as well as quoting everything in the original post, which tends to muddy the flow in the topic.  There's a much better way described in our FAQs (just after 'home' in the menu bar - top RH side - click on "how to quote just part of someone's post")



HTH
Ian
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on February 28, 2013, 12:17:47 AM
The Kiosks are to stay open for now Hurray! the closure notices withdrawn with help from Councillor Phil |Edwards and some public support . I am thrilled coffees icecream  buckets and spades and free parking safe for the time being. $bounce$
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: viv on March 01, 2013, 12:23:55 AM
Great news that they will be staying - we will have to watch carefully in case the Council try it on again. Perhaps we should push for them to be listed buildings -after all they are on many old photos of the Bay, and still provide excellent service. They give the Bay its character and would be missed by everyone.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Ian on March 01, 2013, 08:06:46 AM
Just to add to my comment on Linda's post: At the top right hand side of any post to which you want to reply. or which you want to quote, there's a button:

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but this copies the post in question completely, and then re-posts it in its entirety.  Also, it's easy to miss the final [ /quote ] mark, and start your reply inside it, so your response becomes part of the original quote.  Usually, however, and for the purposes of readability, you might not want to quote the entire post at length, especially if it has one or more images in it.

So, to quote just a part of someone's post...


That's it.  Now, you compose your own post, and - when you press 'Post" - your quote will appear above it.

Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Yorkie on March 01, 2013, 09:19:27 AM
I find it easier to use the whole Quote and then just edit out the parts I don't want.   This is easy with just one quote but when you have "nested" quotes you have to be careful not to edit out the person you are actually quoting!   :D
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Ian on March 01, 2013, 10:15:35 AM
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I find it easier to use the whole Quote and then just edit out the parts I don't want.

That's a good method, as you say.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: SDQ on March 01, 2013, 12:13:27 PM
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I find it easier to use the whole Quote and then just edit out the parts I don't want.

That's a good method, as you say.


The only way I could find when using an iPad/iPhone.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on March 02, 2013, 11:32:19 AM
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Just to add to my comment on Linda's post: At the top right hand side of any post to which you want to reply. or which you want to quote, there's a button:

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but this copies the post in question completely, and then re-posts it in its entirety.  Also, it's easy to miss the final [ /quote ] mark, and start your reply inside it, so your response becomes part of the original quote.  Usually, however, and for the purposes of readability, you might not want to quote the entire post at length, especially if it has one or more images in it.

So, to quote just a part of someone's post...

  • Go to the post you want to quote from
  • Position your cursor immediately before the bit you want to quote
  • Hold your LH mouse button down, and drag the cursor to the end of the potential quote
  • Hold down 'CNTRL' and press "C"
  • Click on the 'Reply" button
  • Click the quote icon (second from Right in the row of rectangular buttons immediately above the smileys)
  • Hold down 'CNTRL' and press "V"

That's it.  Now, you compose your own post, and - when you press 'Post" - your quote will appear above it.


Hi thanks for suggestions will have to give these a try when i have to time as my daughter is due to have her baby and i have got my grandson to look after busy busy at mo. Need peace and quiet to study this lol   $good$
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Ian on March 02, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
From the NW Weekly:

“What makes me upset is this is affecting six families, the council should be supporting small businesses, not taking our livelihood away from us.”
A Conwy County Council spokeswoman said: “As a key element of Colwyn Bay’s regeneration, the council needs to progress with the coastal defence and promenade regeneration plans without delay.
“To make use of the existing funding for the scheme, and be able to access future funding, it is necessary to bring the current tenancies of the kiosks on Colwyn promenade to an end.
“However, not all locations on the promenade will be affected at the same time, therefore a staged approach has been developed. The council will discuss alternative business opportunities with the kiosk operators as and when they become available.
“We believe the future success of the promenade and beach will depend on offering a range of services and facilities for residents and visitors.”

I'mm curious.  Exactly why is accessing extra funding dependent on getting rid of the kiosks?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 02, 2013, 10:40:43 PM
I can't remember where I heard it, but I think the kiosks may have very low rents, perhaps the council wants to end it and have new units with higher rents? I'm only guessing though! Seems unfair to me though!
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Gaylord Screwsby on March 03, 2013, 06:57:38 AM
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Great news that they will be staying - we will have to watch carefully in case the Council try it on again. Perhaps we should push for them to be listed buildings -after all they are on many old photos of the Bay, and still provide excellent service. They give the Bay its character and would be missed by everyone.

Whilst in its current state the pier certainly is an eyesore,  it is part of the character of Colwyn Bay and yet you hope it gets blown away in a storm. Surely a restored pier would add much more to the character and visual appelal of the Bay than a few kiosks?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Ian on March 03, 2013, 08:06:22 AM
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perhaps the council wants to end it and have new units with higher rents?

That's suspiciously what it sounds like to me. Again, however, this goes to the openness of CCBC:  why don't they simply explain what they're trying to do and why?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Yorkie on March 03, 2013, 11:31:18 AM
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That's suspiciously what it sounds like to me. Again, however, this goes to the openness of CCBC:  why don't they simply explain what they're trying to do and why?

Because they are a bunch of hypocrites, who promise open Government, then shut the door on it.

The only people who believe their lies are themselves.   :rage:
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on March 03, 2013, 11:58:23 AM
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Great news that they will be staying - we will have to watch carefully in case the Council try it on again. Perhaps we should push for them to be listed buildings -after all they are on many old photos of the Bay, and still provide excellent service. They give the Bay its character and would be missed by everyone.

Whilst in its current state the pier certainly is an eyesore,  it is part of the character of Colwyn Bay and yet you hope it gets blown away in a storm. Surely a restored pier would add much more to the character and visual appeal of the Bay than a few kiosks?




Its not so much of an issue of how the Kiosks look.  Its more of loosing an amenity that all people can use, older folk and disabled can park up for a cuppa and icecream and folk can meet and sit at the tables in the nice weather, children can have icecream and dog walkers can sit with a cuppa etc. You cannot do that with the Pier or Waterfront in the same way. Parking will be compromised. The Kiosks are unobtrusive so therefore dont add or take away the scenery of the Bay but provide a service. They are busy little kiosks run by private leaseholders making a living for their families.
So if the council are forcing closure they should make sure these people have got alternative options. I was given the reprieve letter  by one of the Cayley Kiosk leaseholders to read, he was a happy man, as at least he should have more notice next time closure is imminent instead of a couple of weeks like this last time.
We all know the seadefence has to come first otherwise our prom would disappear and the railway and other structures would be in danger.  As was said in the North Wales weekly the work is in stages, so let the folk carry on in the kiosks as long as possible. We dont need empty little buildings left for months,possibly to be vandalised.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on March 03, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
I agree that the Kiosks need to remain open until the building work is imminent.

Remember that, once all the work is completed, there will several new cafes/kiosks along the Prom, all of which I am sure will have outside seating areas etc and the environment around them will be far nicer than it is now.

To be fair to CCBC, the redevelopment plans have been publicly available for several years, no kiosk owner can have been unaware than work was going to take place at some point.

I believe the average rent paid by a kiosk owner is £41 a week. That seems very low indeed. CCBC have a responsibility to let their properties at a market rent - I can't accept that cutbacks to public services and increases in Council Tax need to be made if they are not prepared to operate their own property estate efficently.
"The average rental per annum is £2,120 (£41 weekly average)."
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on March 03, 2013, 11:13:59 PM
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I agree that the Kiosks need to remain open until the building work is imminent.

Remember that, once all the work is completed, there will several new cafes/kiosks along the Prom, all of which I am sure will have outside seating areas etc and the environment around them will be far nicer than it is now.

To be fair to CCBC, the redevelopment plans have been publicly available for several years, no kiosk owner can have been unaware than work was going to take place at some point.

I believe the average rent paid by a kiosk owner is £41 a week. That seems very low indeed. CCBC have a responsibility to let their properties at a market rent - I can't accept that cutbacks to public services and increases in Council Tax need to be made if they are not prepared to operate their own property estate efficently.

"The average rental per annum is £2,120 (£41 weekly average)."


Hi yes I agree plans have been available so the kiosk folk would have been aware, but i was led to believe the owner i know was told
he would have at least 18months of trading left and suddenly out of the blue ,got a closure notice two or three weeks prior to the supposed closure. I cant speak for the other kiosks people down near the pier etc.  I do agree however that the rents are very low and need to be brought into line and can truly understand that any new venues would reflect those rises and possibly the kiosks as they
are now. It is the back handed way these folk were treated that i object to. We have had businesses both freehold and leasehold in the past and have never heard of anyone given such a short  notice to close unless rent was unpaid or hygiene issues were there these are not applicable (I dont think).
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on March 04, 2013, 08:45:43 AM
Yes, it would have been fairer to give them at least 6 months notice of closure.

One idea for the new kiosks/cafes, that I think is very important, is the provision of toilet facilities. All of the new ones should be constructed with toilets for the use by the general public. The deal should be that the cafe operator gets a slightly reduced rent in return for cleaning the toilets etc. This would remove the need for costly standalone public toilets on the Prom and provide a greatly enhanced public toilet provision along the Prom.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on March 04, 2013, 03:32:28 PM
Can anyone confirm this interesting piece of news? ;)

https://twitter.com/NewsFrames/status/308584075487223811 (https://twitter.com/NewsFrames/status/308584075487223811)

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on March 04, 2013, 06:12:49 PM
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Can anyone confirm this interesting piece of news? ;)

https://twitter.com/NewsFrames/status/308584075487223811 (https://twitter.com/NewsFrames/status/308584075487223811)

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There was a piece on BBC Breakfast this morning about murals in general and particularly about restoring the murals at Colwyn Bay pier if they get funding from the Lotto Heritage Fund but I don't recall any mention of putting one at the new Watersports building.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 04, 2013, 07:04:51 PM
I think it's a bit of gentle teasing myself...  ;)
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: viv on March 05, 2013, 11:24:36 PM
Great idea! It is a long way to a loo if you are halfway along the prom!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on March 06, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
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I think it's a bit of gentle teasing myself...  ;)



It Could be Colwyn Bays new Recycling Centre , slots for plastic glass ,clothes etc. ;)
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on March 06, 2013, 09:16:36 PM
Maybe your right over toilets etc. we could also have the same as the ones at West Shore llandudno, coin operated so at least generating some funds towards upkeep. As far as any new building of kiosks are concerned the leaseholder at one of the Kiosks at rhos says he has
never heard of that plan and its never been mentioned to him. Is the plan with the proposed kiosks available? if so where?. This controversy was televised last night on the Welsh news and im pleased to add supported by an enormous amount of people,also see the Colwyn bay FB page for the tv coverage. I do know for fact they wont go without a fight.
I did see all the prep and start of the sand work today on a grand scale, hope it wont take long as I want to walk pushing my NEW GRANDSON in his pram, born (almost on the beach at West shore whilst we walked , brave daughter left it a bit late) lol. 4th March at 6.30 pm .Got back with just 2hrs grace. It must have been the beautiful sunshine on the water and 2 swans making the whole beach look so tranquil. {}{}
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: rhos.rover on March 06, 2013, 10:44:44 PM
I’m sure that this is a superb example of ‘contemporary’ architecture that blends seamlessly into existing buildings along the Promenade.
 
I’m convinced that this will be our Blackpool Tower, Brighton Pier and London Eye; offering great revenue and ensuring envy from all visitors to Colwyn.

I know that this will benefit everyone more than investing in renovation of the few neglected eyesores of our three towns.

When I pass this structure, my heart leaps with joy and wonderment.

But, I have to ask, is it just me or the beer that makes it this look like this tonight?

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 06, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
Yes, it does look like a skip, I find it hard to understand how it takes so long and costs so much to produce such an eyesore!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: rhos.rover on March 06, 2013, 11:15:26 PM
I can only guess they are paid very well, by the hour, till it's finished, Merddin.  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on March 06, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Could have been so much better. When i drive down towards Old Colwyn and look over where the old Hotel 70' degrees use to be, you just see this greyish skip shape, definitely a place to recycle your unwanted stuff. (and no I am not a fly tipper) lol
We had the opportunity to create something striking to look at as well as useful. I remember seeing some wonderful designs, I just dont know what happened to them ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: rhos.rover on March 06, 2013, 11:47:50 PM
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this looks like a skip, Linda. From looking at the drawings that were outside the development and comparing it to what I was seeing, I did wonder if this was another case of ‘I’m going to build something like this, but the picture might differ from reality’.
This is why I am so critical and suspicious of developers moving in and cashing in on our area for a quick buck, and leaving us with unpleasant looking buildings to live with.
I have seen this over and over again throughout Britain, and I hope we don't become another victim of poor planning via a complacent Planning Department.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on March 07, 2013, 07:13:40 AM
Yes, it's not a lot like the original designs...

http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,185.msg12733.html#msg12733 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,185.msg12733.html#msg12733)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on March 07, 2013, 07:21:11 AM
Post-planning changes were also noted by one of our members:

http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,185.msg39211.html#msg39211 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,185.msg39211.html#msg39211)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
I note that the approved design had a canopy stretching out from the end of the building - this seems to have disappeared in the final design.  &shake&

I also don't see why you would have a wonderful location like that and not take full advantage of it by having a curving glass  wall along the entire seaward side?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2013, 08:58:43 AM
The entire Promenade is being rebuilt in stages, from the Watersports Centre to the slipway at Rhos. As part of the rebuild, new cafes and kiosks are being provided but I don't think precise plans are being drawn up yet.

I hope the new cafes/kiosks provide a high standard of food/drink, rather than just appealing to the lowest common denominator with instant coffee and chip baps. Judging by how busy Fortes and Ninos in Rhos get, people want quality food & drink and are happy to pay for it. I find the Coffee Pot kiosk is the only one that is worth visiting, at present.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on March 07, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
My heart sinks every time I walk past it. The reasons given for the design changes were "cost" and "building regulations". But one of the main premises of a design competition is to take into account what can realistically be built. (It's like choosing the design for St Pauls cathedral, and then building it without a dome, for cost & safety reasons).

I hope nobody buys the "it's just modern architecture" argument. I have a degree in architecture, and have long been an admirer of good contemporary design - everything from stark modernism to the more experimental stuff. And I did like the original glass, curved-roof design. But what's been built would embarrass a first-year architecture student. It's appearance is totally insensitive to the surroundings, and, to me, it looks simply hideous from the Old Colwyn side of the prom. What a wasted opportunity...

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Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Nemesis on March 07, 2013, 01:17:19 PM
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Maybe your right over toilets etc. we could also have the same as the ones at West Shore llandudno, coin operated so at least generating some funds towards upkeep. As far as any new building of kiosks are concerned the leaseholder at one of the Kiosks at rhos says he has
never heard of that plan and its never been mentioned to him. Is the plan with the proposed kiosks available? if so where?. This controversy was televised last night on the Welsh news and im pleased to add supported by an enormous amount of people,also see the Colwyn bay FB page for the tv coverage. I do know for fact they wont go without a fight.
I did see all the prep and start of the sand work today on a grand scale, hope it wont take long as I want to walk pushing my NEW GRANDSON in his pram, born (almost on the beach at West shore whilst we walked , brave daughter left it a bit late) lol. 4th March at 6.30 pm .Got back with just 2hrs grace. It must have been the beautiful sunshine on the water and 2 swans making the whole beach look so tranquil. {}{}

Congratulations Linda-- must be something in the water-- I too had a NEW GREAT- GRANDDAUGHTER born recently. She has been quite ill, but hopefully all is now well.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy023.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 08, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
To my untrained eye, I can not think of any modern buildings that look good, yet I love Art Deco buildings and also the Victorian (and earlier) architecture looks great! So why can no modern buildings compare?
This monstrosity imposed on us on the seafront is supposed to make us think 'wow look at that!' But we are not fooled by it! I just hope that the designers of it were not trained using public money! If they were I demand a refund!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on March 08, 2013, 08:01:58 AM
Does not Beauty lie in the eyes of the beholder?   No doubt some will regard it as something fantastic - probably the jet skiers, who will now be paying through the nose to use the facility and repay the exorbitant cost.   _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on March 08, 2013, 08:50:31 AM
Modern architecture - like modern art, I suppose - is a fairly subjective matter.  But the original design I thought looked good.  What's happened is in-build variations have taken place, almost certainly on cost grounds, and I imagine the architect who designed the original is ready to disown it.

I can think of many modern buildings that look astonishing;  but they're usually really big-money projects, and well outside the scope of this project. A great shame, however, and we can only hope it doesn't look dreadful when it's all finally landscaped and finish
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 08, 2013, 10:09:47 AM
There must have been a budget to build it to, so you would think that the cost of building it would be included in the design? Seems like the saga of the railway bridge that went over budget and over time! However much has all this cost?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on March 08, 2013, 01:03:24 PM
Thank you Nemesis for the congratulations, and I sincerely hope alls well with your great grandaughter.
As regards the two remaining Kiosks on the Promenade, yes the Coffee pot has the edge, but the the other one does a great teacake and hot chocolate, so handy if i have got my 2year grandson off for his nap in the car. I can have a relaxing drink and enjoy the scenery.
I could not do that at Ninos or Fortes, although I meet my friends at ninos for latte's etc.which is great when the weather is bad.  So many folk like to sit on the front and also at the tables in the fresh air when weather permits. I also bring my elderly mother down who would have problems walking to the Cafes in Rhos if i couldn't park close enough.
The Kiosks are what they are, cheap and cheerful and folk with children on the beach can get an ice cream without finding parking at Rhos a problem.
Incidentally I don't eat chip 'Baps'  :)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: rhos.rover on March 08, 2013, 10:24:09 PM
I like Victorian architecture, even at its most gothic horror spender. (Too many Hammer horror films…) and that is one reason that I love this area.

Saying that, I’m not a stick in the mud purest. I also like ‘modern’ (is that really the best term to use?) buildings, when they are suited to surroundings.

Please note the museum of slavery on Liverpool waterfront; which not only looks like two letterboxes badly stacked, but it leaks water, does not in anyway sit comfortably next to the Liver Building and the other two graces, and cost a bloody fortune. 
 
When I saw the passed design for our prom, I really liked the drawings of what could have been a striking structure. I liked its 1960’s vision of the future. Like something from Thunderbirds or that fantastic Frank Lloyd Wright inspired house in Hitchcock’s film North by North West, or Cresswell’s Biscuit factory from Chiggly. (haha, no ones going to get that obscure reference.).
I could have lived with that quite happily.

I agree with BMD. Just because it doesn’t fit into the spectrum of classical, pre war concept it doesn’t have to be regarded as bad design. Sadly, when something like this appears it’s deemed as modern rubbish. I’m sorry, but that’s the designer’s fault, not the fact that modern can’t be appealing.

Sadly, now it looks like the kind of crap that sprung up during Soviet administration. The slab sides add to this.   
What I can’t understand is this:
When it became obvious that the plans were not going to be followed, why wasn’t it put before the public again for re-design? Or am I missing something?

When I was a car sprayer, and asked to respray a car black for a customer I wouldn’t tell my boss that it was too expensive and ask to do it in brown. Regardless of his decision, I would ask the owner. He is paying for it.

Well, we were the owners and paying towards it. Were we asked?


Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on March 09, 2013, 01:19:17 PM
In December 2011, I emailed the architects (K2 Architects, Liverpool) to query the design changes. I explained that I lived in Colwyn Bay (I also mentioned - in passing, you understand - my architectural qualifications, and that I'd written columns for the Guardian newspaper, etc)...  No reply.

By then, planning permission had already been granted (for the altered design). The "public consultations" were confusing: glossy leaflets handed out (as late as Dec 2011) still had images of the original design, as did a large display outside the 10/12/2011 "consultation". Most people I spoke to at that time - including the Clwyd West MP - were unaware of the extent of the changes made to the design. Even the people hosting the "public consultations" seemed uninformed about the changes.

At some point, it must have been realised (by the architects, planners, council) that the design had moved too far from the original. A crude, featureless zinc-cladded slab is not a "design enhancement" of a glass-walled structure with curved, projecting roof - and no amount of spin will make it so. Tragically, what we're getting (at large cost) seems to be a monument to poor decisions made in private meetings. (Developers will have profited, but that's another story).

It's a beautiful location, next to a once-lovely pier, in a town rich in Victorian architecture. Bottom line: there can be no excuse for building something reminiscent of a storage facility or giant recycling container/skip.

Having said that, it's there for good - so I'll try to make the best of it. I don't own a jet-ski (how many people do?), but I'll certainly enjoy walking up the ramp onto the roof - and I'll appreciate an indoor café.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 09, 2013, 05:27:18 PM
It's certainly a great disappointment but, as you say, we're stuck with it.  :( I just hope that, in ten years time, the roof doesn't start leaking badly and we will then be told that it needs to be rebuilt....  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 16, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Current progress on Watersports Centre:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on March 16, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Gosh, that has come on a bit since I saw it last. The first photo looks like one of those computer generated images.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 16, 2013, 05:51:05 PM
The car and the trees look good, as for the rest..... &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
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The car and the trees look good, as for the rest..... &shake&

You have something against the lamp posts??  :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 18, 2013, 07:13:42 AM
 _))* the lamp posts are ok, but ugly compared to some nice Victorian posts!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2013, 08:25:30 AM
What I do find disappointing is the lack of greenery. The old prom was a vast expanse of concrete and tarmac and this new area is not much better. Many of the areas of paving etc visible could have been planted out with shrubbery instead to soften the look of the area.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on March 18, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
The white edifices on poles which spin round-- Are they for decoration or some kind of strange turbines? ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2013, 09:15:42 AM
They are wind turbines.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on March 18, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
Thanks Dave  :)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on March 18, 2013, 10:53:08 PM
There is more greenery and colour to be installed. There are shrubs in the zig zags - between the pathways which are of the required ratio for disabled access, and grassed areas by the car parks where at present you just see the concrete kerbs. There will be a children's play area on the sea side (below the pointed bit and viewing platform) and this will have a soft play surface in bright colours. There are also mosaic panels constructed by local schools (and very attractive too) on some of the concrete wall areas.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 18, 2013, 11:02:33 PM
That zig zag path looks like it will take ages to go up and down!  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2013, 07:48:35 AM
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There is more greenery and colour to be installed. There are shrubs in the zig zags - between the pathways which are of the required ratio for disabled access, and grassed areas by the car parks where at present you just see the concrete kerbs. There will be a children's play area on the sea side (below the pointed bit and viewing platform) and this will have a soft play surface in bright colours. There are also mosaic panels constructed by local schools (and very attractive too) on some of the concrete wall areas.
That's good to hear, I'm looking forward to having a look around when its completed.  :)
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Post by: Yorkie on March 19, 2013, 08:44:06 AM
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There is more greenery and colour to be installed. There are shrubs in the zig zags - between the pathways which are of the required ratio for disabled access, and grassed areas by the car parks where at present you just see the concrete kerbs. There will be a children's play area on the sea side (below the pointed bit and viewing platform) and this will have a soft play surface in bright colours. There are also mosaic panels constructed by local schools (and very attractive too) on some of the concrete wall areas.

Ah so!  It is only going to be another 2 years 'till opening then?    _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on March 19, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
I had a walk along there with my sister today, although the building work seems close to finishing,the pipes that will be used to pump
the sand up onto the beach seem a long way off being connected. We watched a curious seal in the water by the old pier, bet he didn't know which way to go.
This is one project i would love to see in action and will the sand be pumped from a ship off shore, I am more interested in the
engineering process of moving thousands of tons of sand under the sea and onto shore , than the completed project. Wonder what would happen if the pipe got blocked  :D. I do hope its nice clean sand as the bay has cleaned its act up really well and the water up to this work has looked remarkably clean.I guess it will take months if not years to get the rock and beach ecosystems back again. Lots of healthy looking seaweed and starfish and crabs were there before all the work now will have been destroyed. Last year we watched a group or pod of Harbour porpoise swim and breach near old Colwyn and across to Llandulas as my friend saw them there the same afternoon. Just hope all this much needed work down there doesn't discourage the fishing and the wildlife from the bay.
Does anyone know if the rocks that are being moved at old Colwyn will be like Rhos to Penrhyn bay, up against the seawall. Just wondering if folk will still be able to walk on the beach there and take their dogs, as it is the only dog friendly beach. *tumble*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on March 19, 2013, 10:50:17 PM
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That zig zag path looks like it will take ages to go up and down!  ???

Yes my sister an i had a smile about that one. I can see how easy it will be to push a pram or wheelchair up there, but I think you may have to allow yourselves quite a bit of time to do it (make sure your go to the toilet before attemping it) ;D
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on March 19, 2013, 11:11:04 PM
Just thought i would add a little note, today as i walked along Colwyn bay prom, I felt a little sad at the fact
that the three Kiosks that were closed by the council due to work starting and moving in the vicinity ,could have remained open a little longer and had the trade of the workforce down there which they had up to a couple of weeks ago. Even if it had only been an extra 3 weeks could have made a little difference to the leaseholders and the Guys working down there. &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on March 20, 2013, 11:56:35 PM
update from Conwy yesterday: The pipe tow from Pensarn to Colwyn Bay went exceptionally well. The steel sinker was floated and towed last Friday afternoon and sunk on to the beach in Colwyn Bay. The rubber floater line was towed on Saturday and has been connected to the seaward end of the sinker line.

Since the floating of the pipe, a beach reinstatement has been undertaken and the Contractor will soon be demobilised and clear of Pensarn beach.

The connection between the sinker line and the dry-line is now being made, and the whole pipeline will shortly be ready for the first load of sand.

The Barent Zanen set sail from Rotterdam on Sunday afternoon and this morning rounded the tip of Cornwall. The vessel is expected to arrive in to the dredge area 20 miles north of Colwyn Bay between 8am and 10am tomorrow (Wednesday) morning. The ship’s captain for the dredge and the operational manager are currently on site in Colwyn Bay and will be transported to the dredger as soon as it arrives and commence the dredging immediately.

High water is at 4:30pm in Colwyn Bay tomorrow and the target is to arrive with the first load of sand between 1pm and 3pm.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on March 21, 2013, 02:16:27 PM
I've just been watching the TV News, there was a very good piece about the dredging of sand.
It showed the sand and sea water being deposited on the beach at Colwyn Bay at a very intense pace from the huge pipe.

It looks like a very interesting scene down there.  If I had the car at my disposal, I would go and watch it!  *&(
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Post by: Jack on March 21, 2013, 02:23:20 PM
Only a 20 minute cycle  ;D
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 21, 2013, 02:40:46 PM
 _))* *cycle*
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Post by: Fester on March 21, 2013, 02:46:33 PM
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Only a 20 minute cycle  ;D

Indeed Jack... and I did just that before my holiday recently.  (the day that the chain broke!)
Since returning though, my right knee has been in shreds, so your bike has been a bit lonely and unused for the past few weeks.      *cycle*

Let me know when you need it back.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Jack on March 21, 2013, 04:51:30 PM
Only jesting Fester! - the weather hasn't exactly been conducive to cycling!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on March 23, 2013, 05:42:51 PM
Here's a photo from page 4 of the Pioneer (13/3/13) showing its rather stark appearance. I too would have preferred something softer, with much more scope for landscaping as an integral part of the design.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/j8i0qw.jpg)

http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/launch.aspx?&eid=5e41dc17-d33c-40b2-9bd3-078aea5a47ee (http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/launch.aspx?&eid=5e41dc17-d33c-40b2-9bd3-078aea5a47ee)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on March 29, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
The new beach currently under construction both sides of the pier is very impressive and should be very popular with visitors.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on April 01, 2013, 07:47:38 PM
 Gosh you re correct there Dave about this new beach being impressive.
  But, I am rather baffled/
  I am aware that Gran Caneria in the Canaries built a beach with sand from the Sahara desert hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Also all the effort being put in at Colwyn Bay. Even the original contractors to the waterfront redevelopment (Vockar Stevens?} are back. All these people MUST know what they are doing.
   But, knowing as we all do the power of the sea in a nasty mood alongside the prom. Just how is all this sand not going to be washed away in a few nasty hours?
  I'v got this feeling. there are places where nature says the tide is going away (i.e.Parkgate on the Wirral) and places where it says its going in (Towyn).
  I don't know this answer, I;d be interested to read what any of the forum members think.  Mike
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on April 01, 2013, 10:36:53 PM
Well it's still there after a couple of weeks of high tides! The rock groynes are holdig the sand in place by changing the direction of the tide -then the slope of the each slows down the impact of the tide which previously hit an upright stone wall. The result will be a dry beach between the Waterfront and Marine Road.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on April 02, 2013, 01:53:13 AM
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Gosh you re correct there Dave about this new beach being impressive.
  But, I am rather baffled/
  I am aware that Gran Caneria in the Canaries built a beach with sand from the Sahara desert hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Also all the effort being put in at Colwyn Bay. Even the original contractors to the waterfront redevelopment (Vockar Stevens?} are back. All these people MUST know what they are doing.
   But, knowing as we all do the power of the sea in a nasty mood alongside the prom. Just how is all this sand not going to be washed away in a few nasty hours?
  I'v got this feeling. there are places where nature says the tide is going away (i.e.Parkgate on the Wirral) and places where it says its going in (Towyn).
  I don't know this answer, I;d be interested to read what any of the forum members think.  Mike


I tend to think the same, as I have lived in the area over thirty five years and seen a lot of sand gradually disappear. Though i hope it wont. The sand placed at Rhos years ago disappeared and I remember a lovely area of soft sand being placed at Penrhyn Bay beach and that got washed or blown away over a few years.
I did think wherever out in the bay they had dredged the sand it was muddy coloured and not as clean looking as around our coastline, but think now it is drying it seems to be looking a bit cleaner :roll:hopefully and not full of muddy oily settlement from the shipping lanes.
One other thing puzzles me if we stop or hold the sea back in that area of Colwyn Bay, wont the sea have more of a stronger impact  further up or down the coast. ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on April 02, 2013, 09:02:16 AM
I am no expert on the subject, but common sense says that water (sea) and sand mix and move around according to the movement of the tides, thus the 'new ' sand is bound to move around.
If the rock groynes hold the water away, that presents a problem of having to keep the beach clean using manpower. Morcambe was a prime example of 'messing with' the natural water ebb and flow-- gradually the beach became slimier and dirtier as time went on. This might now have been sorted out-- I haven't been for years, but it wasn't fit to let the dog on when I was last there, with what was deposited there.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on April 02, 2013, 03:45:39 PM
You could well have a point Nemesis because I took this photo from my room the other day and it looked like the sand was dispersing all over the bay.  It was exactly the same in the other direction too.
The boat was in the bay and unloading its cargo of sand on the high tide at that time.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on April 02, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
Thanks for the pic Hugo-- it does look to be all over the place.
The sea has a way of it's own, difficult to control and difficult to know what it will do next. This morning we were in Rhos/Colwyn Bay and the prom below the Caley bank was covered in seaweed and debris. Overnight the tide must have been lashing over the top of the prom-- as it does all along there. I didn't think that it had been a particularly wild night, so could this be an indication of the fact that everything is being shifted?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on April 02, 2013, 05:56:39 PM
It is well known that there are some very peculiar currents in the sea around Rhos and it will be difficult keeping the sand from shifting over time.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on April 02, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
  From your replies I get the feeling that you all think the same as me. We all hope it will work but we've got that nasty feeling that it may prove a waste of time
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on April 03, 2013, 11:55:48 AM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on April 03, 2013, 10:09:56 PM
Having visited B and Q this evening and fish and chips on West shore, fantastic sunset i might add. We drove along the prom through Rhos and Colwyn and stopped to watch the sand and seawater being pumped ashore, impressive to say the least ,the power of those pumps must be so strong. Just one thing though altho a lot of sand is staying on the beach (I think) a hell of a lot is going back into the sea. Fair play to the guys down there though it is a heck of a cold job to do. I think we will gain some more sand further along when the tide moves it.
Still a bit concerned if the power of the sea is broken in that beach area, will it be hitting Rhos stronger than before.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on April 04, 2013, 07:39:05 AM
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Still a bit concerned if the power of the sea is broken in that beach area, will it be hitting Rhos stronger than before.

Our youngest is a fluid dynamics specialist, and he's told us that the maths behind tidal behaviour predictions, when you make any changes at all, are so horrifyingly complex that it's almost impossible to say with any certainty what the outcome will be. They know in broad terms what should happen but whether it will only time will tell.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on April 04, 2013, 01:38:21 PM
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Still a bit concerned if the power of the sea is broken in that beach area, will it be hitting Rhos stronger than before.

Our youngest is a fluid dynamics specialist, and he's told us that the maths behind tidal behaviour predictions, when you make any changes at all, are so horrifyingly complex that it's almost impossible to say with any certainty what the outcome will be. They know in broad terms what should happen but whether it will only time will tell.


Thanks for that Ian, I guess we will just have to play the waiting game to see what happens. It will be a nice beach area whilst we have it, perhaps it will just get replenished if ever needed.
Quite impressive to watch the beach unfold if anyone gets the chance to go down and look.  *&(
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on April 04, 2013, 04:31:27 PM
How much is it all costing, I wonder?   Dredgers are not cheap to hire, although the sand may be free!

 Z**
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on April 04, 2013, 05:01:31 PM
I think (but I'm not 100% certain) that the dredged sand comes from the Mersey, where dredgers routinely clear the centre channels.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on April 04, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
I hope its not from in the Mersey isnt it a pretty grimmey river ,full of effluent and chemicals etc. We have a blue flag here at Colwyn. I wonder if we still will have that after all this work  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on April 05, 2013, 12:57:48 AM
Hmmm, I thought I had seen it on the BBC News that the sand was dredged up from the sea just a couple of miles out from Colwyn Bay itself.   

But I have been drinking heavily, and the memory fades........  Z**
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on April 05, 2013, 07:53:50 AM
You could be right, F.  I'll try to find out.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on April 05, 2013, 08:01:37 AM
Found this:

":A rubber floater line was also connected to the sea end of the steel pipeline, and this section of pipe will connect to the dredger taking the sand from the sea bed approximately 20 miles north of Colwyn Bay, before sailing to Colwyn Bay where it anchors a kilometre offshore."

That makes it opposite Formby and the Mersey entrance, so I imagine it's sand displaced by tidal currents, and the dredger is keeping the Mersey Bar passage clear for ships turning into the Mersey, so it's not actual Mersey sand, then :-))))
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 05, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
If you click on this link and then zoom out the map, you can clearly see the ship's progress to and from the area it is collecting the sand from:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=212487000&centerx=-3.009333&centery=53.43616&zoom=10&type_color=3 (http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=212487000&centerx=-3.009333&centery=53.43616&zoom=10&type_color=3)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on April 05, 2013, 11:50:43 AM
The ship is now in Liverpool for refuel according to my ex mariner hubby. Looks like the sand isn't actually coming out of the mersey, it stops and dredges much further out to sea. We watched it on the marine site last night ( we must get a life) its very interesting we also watched a convoy of six military vessels heading to Liverpool of different nationalities keeping very close to each other *&( .You can tell there wasn't very much on the tele last night.  _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on April 05, 2013, 01:36:34 PM
as far as the Mersey river being polluted,  i read someware that it had cleared up that much that there were salmon caught in it not so long ago.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 05, 2013, 02:06:43 PM
Weren't boat trips from Liverpool to the North Wales coast once a regular occurence? I seem to recall such a trip from my childhood - Liverpool to Llandudno & back, I think. I remember a very plush, luxurious boat and a fantastic day out.

In fact, isn't that partly what piers are for? If Colwyn Bay pier is successful in its lottery bid, I can't think of a better way to bring people to Colwyn Bay than by boat trip. I'm dreaming, no doubt. Still, I think it's more realistic than the believe that jet-skiers will resurrect the local economy (not that I have anything against jet-skis - but it's a tiny-minority hobby).

I walked around the Colwyn Bay waterfront area a couple of days ago. I thought it looked okay in the sunshine - they've made a good job of the hard-landscaping: nice solid white railings, tidy concrete work, etc. Even the zinc cladding looks a bit better in the direct sunlight - not quite so oppressive ;)



Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on April 05, 2013, 02:32:17 PM
Yes the boat trips were a regular thing.
My Grandparents didn't have a car, so they caught a train to Liverpool from West Yorkshire and came down to Llandudno on the boats, St Tudno or St Trillo usually. At the end of the week they reversed their journey. It was a much loved part of their holiday.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 05, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Boat trips have never been possible from Colwyn Bay Pier, as the water around it is not deep enough.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on April 05, 2013, 08:49:59 PM
  I noticed on Daves excellent coverage on the travels of the dredger that it flies the Cyprus flag. Better keep a close eye on it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on April 05, 2013, 11:57:39 PM
i did the trip from liverpool to llan. when i was in school, we traveled back in a crosvile double decker. you never forgot days like that when you were kids
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on April 06, 2013, 12:09:17 AM
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Weren't boat trips from Liverpool to the North Wales coast once a regular occurence? I seem to recall such a trip from my childhood - Liverpool to Llandudno & back, I think. I remember a very plush, luxurious boat and a fantastic day out.

In fact, isn't that partly what piers are for? If Colwyn Bay pier is successful in its lottery bid, I can't think of a better way to bring people to Colwyn Bay than by boat trip. I'm dreaming, no doubt. Still, I think it's more realistic than the believe that jet-skiers will resurrect the local economy (not that I have anything against jet-skis - but it's a tiny-minority hobby).

I walked around the Colwyn Bay waterfront area a couple of days ago. I thought it looked okay in the sunshine - they've made a good job of the hard-landscaping: nice solid white railings, tidy concrete work, etc. Even the zinc cladding looks a bit better in the direct sunlight - not quite so oppressive ;)

I was talking to the Manager of Llandudno Pier just yesterday about this very need, (not Colwyn Bay Pier, as Dave says it is impossible)
Llandudno Pier needs a service vessel between Liverpool and Llandudno on a regular schedule.
Not a pleasure cruise twice a year or so.
However, due to Council and Contractor difficulties, this seems no nearer to being achieved this year.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on April 06, 2013, 08:21:05 AM
I can imagine there would be a significant financial risk entailed for anyone thinking of mounting a regular service.  Llandudno - Isle of Man from June - October might be feasible, I suppose, but I have no idea about what it would cost to mount and thus what they'd have to charge.  Maybe a project for Mike and you to consider, F?
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Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2013, 09:09:26 AM
A regular service is not really viable, due to the cost of fuel these days. Unless you can guarantee a full ship every trip (as with Waverley's visits etc), you'd be on a hiding to nothing.

What a lot of people don't know is that the Llandudno - Isle of Man service that ran in the 60s/70s only existed because of a heavy subsidy from the Manx Government.

I actually contacted the owners of the Waverley/Balmoral, asking if they would consider a special trip to Llandudno - Isle of Man once the Landing Stage reopened or would allow me to hire the ship for such a trip - they never even bothered to reply.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2013, 05:56:09 PM
Latest photos of Beach Recharge work this morning. Work is still ongoing on the Rhos side of the Pier, whilst the Watersports centre beach is now finished and great it looks too! Photos done on iPhone, so not as good as usual, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Here's a little video I did of the beach recharge work:
Colwyn Bay Beach Recharge Work (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVKTrzaldqU#ws)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on April 06, 2013, 09:15:56 PM
  Great video David.  Knowing as I do the virtually instant damage salty sea water does to any metal in any shape or form and, of course, all electrical equipment ---- I can only hope that the contractors have got a hugh supply of fresh water to wash down all those diggers every night. Otherwise there are going to be some hugh heaps of rust in a few months time. Mike
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 06, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
Good pics and video, saves me putting my pics up!  :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on April 06, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
as i have mentioned in other posts  my father earned his living at one stage in photography and he used to say its not so much the camera as the man behind it, it is an art in its own and you definitely have the touch Dave.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2013, 10:54:51 PM
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  Great video David.  Knowing as I do the virtually instant damage salty sea water does to any metal in any shape or form and, of course, all electrical equipment ---- I can only hope that the contractors have got a hugh supply of fresh water to wash down all those diggers every night. Otherwise there are going to be some hugh heaps of rust in a few months time. Mike
Thank you, Mike, I was thinking the same myself.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
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as i have mentioned in other posts  my father earned his living at one stage in photography and he used to say its not so much the camera as the man behind it, it is an art in its own and you definitely have the touch Dave.
Thank you, Snowcap, very kind of you to say so.  :)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on April 06, 2013, 11:13:58 PM
taking good photos is a question of being in the right place at the right time with the best equipment that is available but you have to have a certain skill to know that it is the right time and place, that is a gift and not a lot of people know they have got it but never use it, i,ts good to see you have and use it to your advantage, we also get the benefit of it on the forum, so thank you on behalf of all.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: romanjohn on April 07, 2013, 01:27:01 AM
Once again Dave Is the man great pics and video. I will raise this as an idea at one of our local forums they might like the thought of walking on sand than stones on Southsea beach.some news on the saga of southparade pier there is talk of a consortium being got together to buying the pier we will wait and see.   Romanjohn.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Hugo on April 07, 2013, 01:48:32 PM
On Saturday it was a nice sunny day and in the afternoon we drove down to have a look at the new development on the Promenade and we then drove back along the Prom to Penrhyn Bay.  As we drove past the Kiosk with the pink car parked outside we saw that the café was packed with people enjoying the food and drink and thought what a shame it was that they were closing.  The new café looks good but the Kiosks cater for a variety of people including those out for a stroll with dogs. Everyone is made to feel welcome there and apart from that it is quite far to the new café.   I've a feeling that visitors and residents alike will be heading for Nino's and Fortes and all the other nice cafes that Rhos has when the Kiosks close.
The only reason we didn't stop was because we had already arranged to go to Home from Home Cooking in Penrhyn Bay
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on April 07, 2013, 03:02:34 PM
The Kiosk are being replaced with new catering outlets, as the work to rebuild the Prom progresses towards Rhos. It isn't the case that there wont be anywhere to have a cup of tea between the Watersports centre and Rhos once all the work is completed.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Hugo on April 07, 2013, 05:24:37 PM
What exactly does that mean Dave?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on April 07, 2013, 06:20:38 PM
It means that the 'hotspot' that the Watersports Centre sits on (the new bit of the Prom sticking out to sea) is likely to be the first of several along the Prom as the rebuilding work continues.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Fester on April 07, 2013, 09:02:31 PM
But what EXACTLY does that mean Dave?    :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on April 07, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
Please can I ask you all to refrain from making Dave's head even more insufferably large than usual.

He has recently moved home, and I am concerned that his new abode will not contain his ego for much longer if this continues.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on April 07, 2013, 11:34:12 PM
now fester a song by Billy Fury comes to mind, any idea?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 07, 2013, 11:39:04 PM
That's good having new modern 'outlets' for teas and coffees, just hope its the same people running the new outlets as the couple where the pink car is have really built up a large clientele and it's a popular stop off, the other kiosk further down the Cayley doesn't do badly either and great if your walking the dog, having a run,cycle etc. I just hope the council doesn't sell these folk out and let the new buildings to the highest bidder when the present folk have built up the businesses.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Yorkie on April 08, 2013, 07:25:50 AM
Ah! But there lies the rub!   The Council have to maximise the return on their (actually our) investment so it will probably be by tender.  We all know, of course, that tenders come in sealed brown envelopes, so it is anyone's guess who will be successful!   ZXZ

 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on April 08, 2013, 08:41:08 AM
The bidding process should be an open and transparent one. The level of rents paid by the present kiosk owners is ridiculously low - CCBC have an obligation to manage their (our) assets properly.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 08, 2013, 08:43:20 AM
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Please can I ask you all to refrain from making Dave's head even more insufferably large than usual.

He has recently moved home, and I am concerned that his new abode will not contain his ego for much longer if this continues.
No problem, I shall simply have another wing built.  :laugh:
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Post by: Nemesis on April 08, 2013, 10:17:13 AM
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now fester a song by Billy Fury comes to mind, any idea?

Was it also recorded by Marty Wilde? :o ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on April 08, 2013, 10:08:42 PM
i don,t recall Marty Wild singing it but Frankie Lane did
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on April 09, 2013, 08:43:51 AM
Heck Snowcap, we are sounding old !!
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 15, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
I had a nice cuppa and scone at the 1st Kiosk at the Cayley today. The weather was lovely sat at one of the tables chatting to a few locals.
The Kiosk was busy with couples and dog walkers, we all signed the petition which was pages and pages long and everyone was offering
their support to the lovely hardworking couple there, who work 12hrs  7days a week.
These folk need our support as they have worked the kiosks for years. If the weather holds this week I will go to the other Kiosk for  a cuppa and support them also.  If the weather doesn't hold out we go to Ninos, my hubby has known him for years and he is always busy,so room for all. In spite of the Kiosks being a little dated the Cayley area of the promenade looked so attractive in the sunshine.
Although the seadefences need to be dealt with, I sincerely hope these kiosk people are treated fairly for I suspect the CCBC could have a battle on their hands if not, for the local people i spoke to today are extremely supportive of these folk staying.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Yorkie on April 16, 2013, 06:26:53 AM
Unfortunately the Council will do as they please, which is the usual scenario.  Whilst you have Councillors of all ilks prepared to allow the law to be continuously flouted, there will be little change in the dictatorial attitude of the controlling force.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 16, 2013, 11:41:29 AM
You could be right there Yorkie. Over the years in business have seen the wink and a nod over the bar and who you know on the Council over housing and house grants etc. Hopefully all that has stopped.
I like to think folks are rewarded for their contribution to an area,in this case the present Kiosks leaseholders and hope they have first refusal on any future replacement kiosks. The other couple at the pier end were firstly given that privilege and then it was taken away &shake&
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: hardknox on April 16, 2013, 09:53:45 PM
I got a cuppa from that kiosk by pier last summer,,tasted like dishwater never again yuk!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hardknox on April 16, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
Was on the prom the other day,,coudlnt believe all the sand that is there now, looks like costa brava now
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 16, 2013, 10:52:56 PM
Sorry i  wasnt talking about the kiosks directly near the pier I meant further along where the road comes out near Erias Park. That kiosk was demolished as the waterfront building was built and they were quite good there for teas and snacks, popular with the jetski folk and after it closed the owner was promised first refusal at the Waterfront, then the council backed down for whatever reason. We have been talking now about the Kiosks near the Cayley which are pretty good. :)
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 16, 2013, 10:57:21 PM
Two years ago we had two teas at the one with the pink car, tasted awfull! needless to say we've never gone back! Erindoors wondered if the teabags had been stored over the winter?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on April 16, 2013, 11:05:40 PM
We wish! we had the Costa weather, hope the sand stays there the tide has already covered it a couple of times. I don't know whats happen to the dredger we haven't had anymore sand for several days now. Think its gone to another job on the east coast , think we need more sand though for we were told the beach would be raised towards the Toad Hall and high enough for the tide not to cover it  &shake&  Maybe run out of money, There is suppose to be a WW2 battle on the beach at weekend isn't there part of the 1940s weekend. Think theres a little tidying up before then if it goes ahead.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 16, 2013, 11:18:12 PM
That was unfortunate, we had one yesterday it was fine though I did ask for teabags to be left longer as i like strong tea. I always say if your not happy with anything tell people then hopefully they wont make the same mistake again .We were in catering for years and always preferred folk to complain if something was wrong so we had chance to put it right, rather than have folk dissatisfied and not want to come back.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 16, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
In theory I agree, not always brave enough in practice though! Depends what mood I'm in!  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 26, 2013, 12:00:02 AM
That can happen to me as well especially if folk are really nice dont want to upset them. Though as i have got  older i am more aware of poor service.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Nemesis on April 26, 2013, 08:45:03 AM
Had a coffee earlier this week in Rhos, sitting outside with the dog. We won't be returning as the place itself was distinctly grubby, dirty trays etc and the outside was full of rubbish. If I hadn't ordered before I picked up a tray I would have walked out.
The place was busy--- perhaps my standards are too high ! :o
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on April 26, 2013, 09:23:26 AM
Where was this, Nem? First letter of name will suffice!
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 26, 2013, 10:20:12 AM
Wonder what the hygiene rating was?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Nemesis on April 26, 2013, 11:15:53 AM
Couldn't see one on display and haven't found one on the listings.
Not prepared to say where, but it is in a very prominent place -- and the muck wasn't sand. Lack of care more like.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on April 26, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
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Couldn't see one on display and haven't found one on the listings.
Not prepared to say where, but it is in a very prominent place -- and the muck wasn't sand. Lack of care more like.
"If I hadn't ordered before I picked up a tray" gives it away a little!  ;)
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Nemesis on April 26, 2013, 01:03:26 PM
Fair enough Dave.
Morse has nothing on you !!!!
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on April 29, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
It doesnt cost anything to keep tables and floors clean does it. Maybe if it had been a windy day dust off the road may blow into shop doors along the front at Rhos. I have tried to sit out along there at the two most prominent cafes just to have someone smoking next to me, and with the cafes being sheltered it lingers. There is no excuse not to sweep and mop and clean the chairs and tables. Thats why if we ve had dogs with us the Kiosks have been handy when dry, I even ask  for paper cups , thats no reflection on the kiosk people, thats just me, do they call it  OCD . _))*
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Post by: DaveR on April 29, 2013, 11:16:08 PM
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Fair enough Dave.
Morse has nothing on you !!!!

:laugh:
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Nemesis on April 30, 2013, 09:07:40 AM
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It doesnt cost anything to keep tables and floors clean does it. Maybe if it had been a windy day dust off the road may blow into shop doors along the front at Rhos. I have tried to sit out along there at the two most prominent cafes just to have someone smoking next to me, and with the cafes being sheltered it lingers. There is no excuse not to sweep and mop and clean the chairs and tables. Thats why if we ve had dogs with us the Kiosks have been handy when dry, I even ask  for paper cups , thats no reflection on the kiosk people, thats just me, do they call it  OCD . _))*

Agreed Linda, this wasn't just 'overnight dust' and I agree about the smoking. As for the tray we had-- I would have consigned it to the bin!  OCD  ???I often drink 'left handed' if I have any doubts. Cold sores are too difficult to get rid of !!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 02, 2013, 01:57:59 PM
A few photos I took this morning:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 02, 2013, 05:25:04 PM
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 02, 2013, 05:27:49 PM
Nice photos, BMD.  $good$
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 02, 2013, 06:08:40 PM
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Nice photos, BMD.  $good$

Yes, I particularly like the one with the seagulls on it!  $good$  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 02, 2013, 09:13:02 PM
    Pleased to see a significant number of families sitting/playing away merrily on the new sand at the Rhos side of the pier. This was around 5.30 this afternoon, high tide but loads of nice clean dry sand to play on. Perhaps Colwyn Bay has hit on a winner, it certainly looked lively even at the end of the afternoon. Lets hope the sand can be kept clean.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 02, 2013, 09:20:02 PM
That's good to hear, Mike. Let's hope the sand can also be kept free of Colwyn Bay's resident alcoholics.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 06, 2013, 08:07:24 PM
Very impressive turnout today (Bank Holiday Monday) on Colwyn Bay beach - both sides of the pier. Like a "proper" holiday-season beach, full of sunbathers, families with young kids, etc.

Let's hope we get a decent cafe with good coffee & food (eg in Waterfront building) - and a refurbished pier.
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Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2013, 08:21:32 PM
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Very impressive turnout today (Bank Holiday Monday) on Colwyn Bay beach - both sides of the pier. Like a "proper" holiday-season beach, full of sunbathers, families with young kids, etc.

Let's hope we get a decent cafe with good coffee & food (eg in Waterfront building) - and a refurbished pier.
That's great to hear, bodes well for the Summer.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 07, 2013, 11:00:48 PM
I agree with BMD that Colwyn Bay Beach and the Waterfront are a great asset to the Bay.The sand is lovely and full of shells pink and white. A pleasure to walk upon WITH SHOES. BUT! i have to say that having had a
short walk on there this evening I was so so mad that some people who must have some brain cells missing have left substantial amounts of litter , cans, bottles and plastic bags and some stuff i wouldn't mention on here. Where are these so called litter Inspectors. I know someone who drop a cigarette end in the street ( i know they shouldn't have) but got fined 75 quid. You should see what the bank holiday people have left behind, i dread what summer will bring if this is just over the weekend and no one cleaning up. I was planning to take my grandson, but as he is only two I will have to clear a site for us to play that's safe. I have taken my children and grandchildren to Rhos ,Colwyn and Penrhyn bay beach also Llandudno over the years and never seen that much litter. I wouldn't care but there is a great big litter bin on hand. I only covered a small amount of beach whilst there ,so god knows how much more rubbish there is over the whole of it.
This is such a shame again that a few spoil it for the rest. Basically are the Council going to allow this to happen,and are they going to clean the beach on a regular basis also will they police who's drinking down there, as looking towards the steps of the Waterfront a little group of (locals) with plastic carriers were swigging their lager. Another place i wont be walking around on a summers eve.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 08, 2013, 07:03:23 AM
Consumption of alcohol in public places is a Police matter, you could have called the Police on 101 to report the drinkers?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on May 08, 2013, 10:10:20 AM
Oh dear Linda what a shame that people spoil a new facility in such a manner. Mind you the litter is an on-going problem, my OH cleared a whole bagful of take-away boxes, bags and other containers from our car park and the surrounding lane at the weekend. I have actually seen people open a car door, pop their boxes etc under the car and then drive away---- whilst parked next to a bin. And just don't get me going on nappies-- Yeuk!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 08, 2013, 11:22:29 AM
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I agree with BMD that Colwyn Bay Beach and the Waterfront are a great asset to the Bay.

I wouldn't put it in those terms, exactly. Time will tell, I guess, on whether you can lump the two together as an "asset". For example, there's a letter in the North Wales Weekly News this week which criticises the spending on the Waterfront building while high street shops continue to close due to high business rates, etc.

I remember someone from the council arguing that the jetski facilities would bring money into the town. I'm sceptical, myself - I'm not sure it works like that. But we can only wait and see. I sometimes think that a smaller (less expensive) pavilion/cafe structure, with an elegant design, sensitive to the surroundings - and less emphasis on jetskiers - might have been better.

But who knows? Maybe they're expecting a tsunami? That, at least, might explain the zinc-clad windowless wedge pointing out to sea. ;)

Based on what I've seen so far, I think the "enhanced" beach may have been a good idea. If the aim was to attract more people, then it looks successful so far. But I think it's too early to lump the beach together with the Waterfront building and label them as "assets" together. (Local government & construction-business PR aside!)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 08, 2013, 11:37:12 AM
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I sometimes think that a smaller (less expensive) pavilion/cafe structure, with an elegant design, sensitive to the surroundings - and less emphasis on jetskiers - might have been better.
I agree.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 08, 2013, 07:40:18 PM
Firstly I would like to say someone has cleaned the new beach (hopefully) rubbish binned and gone ;D though an array of plastic and a nappy or two left along the old stone wall. :(
I believe the Waterfront and Beach were a combined effect to the sea defence project and not just to be a cafe and watersports area, also yes I agree that money could have been saved on the top structures. The bunker effect altho looks pleasant on the pier side with the glass windows, looks a bit forboding on the Old Colwyn side. Did notice though the nice little trees that had been planted at the front the other week have gone Hubby said they looked brown and not very alive when he last saw them. So hope they plant more suitable trees.
In all fairness I don't think its too bad until you turn and see that Pier . Maybe when the waterfront was thought of, the powers that be
thought to demolish it if any funding couldn't be found to renovate it. Once again it looks like something(I hope not) will seriously go wrong before its all resolved.
On the subject of the folk drinking down there, Dave I would report it if i saw them again though what happens in a couple of weeks down
at this 2 day prom event when its running all day with disco and beach party, will drinking be allowed then, if not I'm sure there will be those that will. Its a beach party and DJ disco etc. Lots of Young folk (and older ones) ;D will want to be there. I wonder if they do the same as at the Concerts at Eirias and check all people upon entry.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 09, 2013, 11:04:12 PM
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Oh dear Linda what a shame that people spoil a new facility in such a manner. Mind you the litter is an on-going problem, my OH cleared a whole bagful of take-away boxes, bags and other containers from our car park and the surrounding lane at the weekend. I have actually seen people open a car door, pop their boxes etc under the car and then drive away---- whilst parked next to a bin. And just don't get me going on nappies-- Yeuk!
Hi Nemesis, yes I guess everyone in llandudno has worse problems after the Extravaganza. I just hope this at the beach in Colwyn improves and yes nappies were left along the old seating area. What is wrong with these people.
To be honest a couple of weeks ago we sat at west shore and a car of young guys(not kids) were just about to put there takeaway cartons just out of the doors of their car until they saw us looking. They did quickly pick them up but not without a threatening glance and some comment,
by then I had to hold my hubby back from going over as i worried what the outcome may have been  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on May 10, 2013, 09:30:16 AM
Yes Linda-- I know the feeling-- my OH would have been the same.  Hedges are also useful for people to stuff bottles and cartons into-- Easier than the nearest bin.! Grrr
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 10, 2013, 09:04:43 PM
Yes i feel like that about it $angry$ $angry$ $angry$ $angry$. Feel much better for that  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 15, 2013, 04:05:08 PM
I notice the trees have been removed. Presumably they'd died? (I noticed they'd gone a bit brown).

This is from today:

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Compare Dave's earlier photo:

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Meanwhile, some progress on the planted sections of the ramps:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 15, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
Yes, I thought the trees looked half dead the last time I was there. Just like all the trees planted along Sea View Road, I assume they've all died because no-one thought to water them.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 15, 2013, 10:01:46 PM
Looks that way, Always thought you had to water trees daily when first planted. What a waste!
Maybe something drought resistant like Palms would do better if they cant be bothered to look after them.
We use to have palms on station road before the revamp. Lots of well established Palms all ripped up and destroyed in front of our eyes, such a shame.
Still onward and upward ,the ramps will look good when established with a lot more Plants (I hope) also hope wheelchairs can get up there. I also have a feeling that the skateboard kids may make it a stop off too( cant  blame them really) it does look like there may be a lot of jump areas( I wonder if the planners thought of that one ) :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on May 15, 2013, 10:39:50 PM
I was privileged as a Town Cllr to be taken round the site a few weeks ago. I told them that they were the wrong sort of trees for a sea wing and the salt would burn them - they said it was the architects design and they just did as they were told! I also commented that the ramp was ideal for Skateboarders and the person showing us round said that it would be fine as long as they didn't go at the same time as the wheelchair users and there would be CCTV in case of any hassle. At that time the franchises hadn't been let, but they had interest for watersports wear and souvenirs.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 15, 2013, 10:52:19 PM
    I have written to the forum on this subject in the past. Probably around 18 months ago the Council advertised for expressions of interest in these trading positions. They gave a deadline of seven days. After 18 months I hope no one is holding their breath s they open their post.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: rhos.rover on May 17, 2013, 09:51:00 PM
I was taking a walk past the waterfront development today, and there was quite a bit of active going on.

As I passed two official looking people, I heard one asking something along the line of “What do you mean there are no toilets?”
The other person said “it looks like an oversight…”
The first person replied “Oversight! How much is this *£*%*$* costing?” He sounded quite miffed.

That’s about all I heard, but it sounded like something was going wrong.

Does the waterfront Development have toilets? Does he mean something like a lack porta loos required for the crowds expected this weekend?

Perhaps someone else can get to the bottom of their toilet troubles.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on May 17, 2013, 11:31:49 PM
This is from a blog I found on the architects design... it would seem that the toilets issue may well be a weekend issue, not a fundamental design problem.

Plans for Colwyn Bay waterfront revealed
by Richard Evans, DPW West
Jan 7 2011
A SEASIDE town will be transformed by one of six architect designs for a new waterfront, voted on at a packed-out public consultation yesterday.

Conwy council had to bring in more staff to cope with the long waiting queues waiting to see the exhibition as six variations of the new look water-sports hotspot were unveiled at an exhibition. They feature iconic buildings and concept ideas to be developed once the consultation is complete next week.

Included in the designs was a striking triangular four-level tower overlooking the sea; three interconnecting concrete drum buildings, providing water-sport facilities and an elevated promenade sheltering a cafe beneath.

All six designs include toilets, changing facilities, parking and a restaurant or bar. The water-sports centre will be adjacent to the jet-ski jetty on the Old Colwyn side of the pier.

The plans were submitted by architects as part of a competition organised by Conwy County Council to select a favourite design before they are commissioned for phase one of the project.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 18, 2013, 12:46:16 PM
Just been inside it, please tell me it isn't finished, lots of exposed pipes and wiring, very industrial looking! Can we have our £5,000,000 back please!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 18, 2013, 01:02:47 PM
Here's the original architect's proposal (winning design) before it was amended. Note that the large section pointing out to sea (now cladded in zinc rather than glass) houses WCs, showers, changing rooms, staff room and "observation room".

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Presumably the "observation room" no longer exists, as the only thing you'd "observe" is the inside of a windowless zinc wall.

It's a shame that the various design meetings weren't recorded and made public. I'd love to know how this bizarre design folly "evolved".
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 18, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
More pics of the thing, takes ages pushing a wheelchair or pushchair up the yellow brick road, seems they forgot to add a lift to the top!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 18, 2013, 06:10:23 PM
On the plus side, they've now planted some replacement trees.

They'd closed it all off (ramps & interior) by the time I got there, just before 4pm - for VIPs, the security bloke said.

Not a great day for this kind of thing, unfortunately - cold and dull.

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on May 18, 2013, 08:09:38 PM
I am hoping that at some stage they offer such things as Jet Ski's for hire, and other exciting water based attractions!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 18, 2013, 08:21:39 PM
   As to the toilets, there are some on the other side of the road. Been there 100 years. 100 years of closing at 5.30 p.m. Lets hope someone has thought to change that habit.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 18, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
I believe a search is on for an all male synchronised swimming team!   _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 18, 2013, 11:52:30 PM
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Just been inside it, please tell me it isn't finished, lots of exposed pipes and wiring, very industrial looking! Can we have our £5,000,000 back please!

I had a walk to this too , and my thoughts were where is the cafe? Unless i missed it we shuffled through one door and out of the
other and didnt see anything. Lots of folk around though pity about the weather.
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Post by: Linda on May 19, 2013, 12:12:31 AM
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I believe a search is on for an all male synchronised swimming team!   _))*


  _))*I do hope they have to wear the regulation flowery swimcaps, heres is the team in training Yorkie  $bounce$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 19, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Seriously though, lets hope the waterfront is used and enjoyed by many and yes it would be wonderful if folk had the chance
to try a few watersports they would otherwise not do. Also hope the building is used to the full potential and not left closed up because
there arent enough businesses taking on the units.Now that would be a waste.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on May 19, 2013, 11:27:40 AM
Sorry Linda, this is more like the team in training.         Z** Z** Z** Z**

I cannot see there being a facility for the hiring out of jet skis, think of the insurance risk.
It will just be the usual crowd coming in for the day but good luck to them, if you've worked had all week you deserve a break.
 (*) sorry, couldn't find a jet skier so a motor scooter will have to do.
Tosh
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 19, 2013, 07:49:06 PM
I visited Porth Eirias today. Have to say i found the building a huge disappointment.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 19, 2013, 07:54:51 PM
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Sorry Linda, this is more like the team in training.         Z** Z** Z** Z**

I cannot see there being a facility for the hiring out of jet skis, think of the insurance risk.
It will just be the usual crowd coming in for the day but good luck to them, if you've worked had all week you deserve a break.
 (*) sorry, couldn't find a jet skier so a motor scooter will have to do.
Tosh

 L0L would love to see scooter tootling along in the water  and yes i suspect your version of a team could be correct  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 19, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
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I visited Porth Eirias today. Have to say i found the building a huge disappointment.


I think bland and seems to lack something, was my reaction. Great photos though! :)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 19, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
It feels as though they decided to put a building there but struggled for ideas on what to actually do with it.

The amount of public area inside the building must be only about 30% of the total area; the rest is storerooms, offices etc.

The circular reception area seems completely pointless - what will it be used for? I can foresee it being left abandoned and gathering dust before too long.

The cafe appears to be a 'Bistro' and was nowhere near completion. Given that the place has been in the offing for several years, that has to be seen as being very poor management. The obvious choice would be to put a cafe that that would appeal to all the beach users/walkers etc.

The areas of shrubbery on both ramps have already been trampled underfoot by hundreds of feet - without a railing to protect them, this was always going to happen (see photo)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: sam on May 19, 2013, 08:25:19 PM

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It feels as though they decided to put a building there but struggled for ideas on what to actually do with it.
The circular reception area seems completely pointless - what will it be used for? I can foresee it being left abandoned and gathering dust before too long.
Art / exhibition gallery maybe...:/
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on May 19, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
Hmmm
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 20, 2013, 02:00:45 PM
Article about the prom event in the Daily Post: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/thousands-visit-colwyn-bay-prom-387289 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/thousands-visit-colwyn-bay-prom-387289)

“The whole Porth Eirias project has been delivered on time and on budget.” ?! I thought it was a year behind schedule (the large printed boards at the building site originally said "opening in Summer 2012").

At least the Daily Post article doesn't mention the "chameleon-like" zinc cladding which "changes its colour with the weather" (an amusing take, which seems to be part of the damage-control PR churnalised by the local press). It's a sign of desperation, I think, when the hopelessly dull is spun as something exotic.

I was quite impressed with the beach, though:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 20, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
Sorry, the Daily Post link was missing a digit. Here's the correct one:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/thousands-visit-colwyn-bay-prom-3872894 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/thousands-visit-colwyn-bay-prom-3872894)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 20, 2013, 02:12:18 PM
Incidentally, I think zinc can look good - there's nothing inherently wrong with it as a cladding material. But I think it needs a little imagination combined with thoughtful design. You don't go: "Oh, it looks like we can't do glass, after all, so we'll just put up a wall of zinc instead. Hey, it's chameleon-like! No problem."  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 20, 2013, 02:23:38 PM
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“The whole Porth Eirias project has been delivered on time and on budget.” ?! I thought it was a year behind schedule (the large printed boards at the building site originally said "opening in Summer 2012").
In Conwy Council Land, anything can be true if you wish it so....  :laugh:

You're quite right though, and here's the evidence in a photo I took back in 2011. People wonder why we don't trust CCBC....
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 20, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
Nice! I think that's what's known as "damning evidence".  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: romanjohn on May 20, 2013, 06:05:31 PM
Photos  dont lie well done that man with the camera. romanjohn
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 20, 2013, 06:08:10 PM
The beach is great, the rest is a total waste of money that should have been spent on the pier!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on May 20, 2013, 06:37:31 PM
Just let's hope that none of the pier falls off and lands on someone !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 20, 2013, 06:59:17 PM
Mrs and I had a quick shufti at the new water sports centre this afternoon.  Plenty of parking, although despite the expensively painted parking bays, one idiot decided to block the access road!  Didn't think much of the place, doors to the internal area was locked, so that remains a secret yet to be discovered.  We'll have another look once it is operating.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 20, 2013, 08:34:42 PM
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Just let's hope that none of the pier falls off and lands on someone !
The Pier has been fenced off again now, so should be ok.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on May 21, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
Looks well ! :-X
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 21, 2013, 08:51:58 AM
Can you imagine how truly wonderful our North Shore would look like topped up with all that sand?

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 21, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Just be grateful that you do not have the hideous waterfront development on Llandudno's seafront!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 21, 2013, 10:53:48 PM
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Looks well ! :-X

Yes ,shame about the Pier , how nice would Colwyn bay beach look without it. The trouble is now with the Waterfront there having a
Pier as well looks too cluttered on the promenade. I think another construction like the waterfront without the building would look more in keeping as Colwyn bay (the beach) is quite attractive ,but if you put too many structures that dont match up along the front and it will look odd. If the Waterfront had been designed more in a victorian style then ok with a pier but not now unless they restore the pier  to match in with the waterfront buildings.
Glad they have put a barrier to stop people going under the pier, safety all important but looks so bad for visitors.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on May 21, 2013, 11:42:38 PM
The whole Bay would be uncluttered without the Pier - it would be a lovely view right across to Rhos and the lower prom would be lighter too.The Pier pressure group were out at the weekend getting their petition signed - I admire them for trying, but I can't agree that their plans are sustainable and any grant would be a waste of money. The Waterfront was done as a Sea defence initiative in the first place, and to give a focus to the actual watersports so that they didn't clash with other beach users -it made sense to extend the idea into a modern facility for everyone to use. I rather like the idea of a modern sea front, and keeping the older architecture in the town, but not everyone agrees with that, and I wouldn't try to change their minds because there are strong feelings either way.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 22, 2013, 07:07:00 AM
Once again, as with the Maggie Thatcher discussion we will have to disagree! The new beach and sea defences are great, but the building inside and out is hideous! It could have been an amazing modern design, instead it looks like about ten people who never met designed each part. Now you want the pier gone too because it does not fit in! Surely anything new should fit in with that which already exists! Old and new designs can compliment each other very well if the new is well designed, sadly that is not the case here! I had a good look around it on Saturday and everyone I spoke to thought the same!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 22, 2013, 09:18:56 AM
All to often, with buildings such as these, we end up with a design meant to win a competition, rather than being the most suitable design for the site. This is certainly the case with Porth Eirias, a complete mish mash of ideas that was expensive to build and (more relevantly) will be expensive to maintain. Some aspects of the exterior (the glass walls) work well but the zinc block facing out to sea is a blunt disaster and the shape of the building leads to the layout inside feeling cramped, awkward and poorly utilised. Having the childrens' play area in a location making it invisible from both inside the building and from both sides of the Prom is a terrible idea, surely it will become a meeting place for the local alcoholics wanting to stay out of sight?

A simpler modern design (maybe a curved glass fronted two storey building to take full advantage of the sea views) would have cost maybe half the cost to build and would have been far cheaper to maintain over its lifetime. An example image is shown below:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 22, 2013, 11:49:23 AM
The reception desk in the new building was empty when we were there on Saturday.

In hindsight, I think County Councillors from the Colwyn Bay area missed a trick and could have manned this desk on a rota over the weekend to answer questions from their constituents.

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 22, 2013, 12:22:56 PM
I disagree with Viv, here. A small minority of people seem opposed to the pier's planned renovation. This goes back to before the Waterfront building, when the pier was in better condition than now. Back in 2011, councillor John Davies was quoted by the Pioneer as saying he didn't think the renovation was "feasible". A few others have been saying the same thing, going further back, when the pier was in even better condition.

What's the basis for this "unfeasible" claim? I don't see any such basis beyond mere opinion. (But perhaps I'm wrong - please let me know of any analyses/reports which declare its unfeasibility). Even now, in its current rotting state, I'm told that the experts say the structure is still sound, and that it's perfectly feasible to renovate, given sufficient funding. This is what the lottery bid is about, no?

Hastings pier has received lottery funding to be restored. It's in a worse condition than Colwyn Bay pier, due to being burnt down: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/19/hastings-pier-lottery-grant (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/19/hastings-pier-lottery-grant)

And I don't understand the "uncluttered" argument. Remove any pier, and the result is less "clutter". Follow that logic, and we should get rid of all piers, so we can have uncluttered coastal vistas everywhere. Sorry, but I don't really buy it. If we wanted less clutter, why build a large new building before the fate of the pier is decided?

Sea defenses and watersports are one thing. A large, costly, unappealing dumpster-shaped building is another.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 22, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
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The reception desk in the new building was empty when we were there on Saturday.

In hindsight, I think County Councillors from the Colwyn Bay area missed a trick and could have manned this desk on a rota over the weekend to answer questions from their constituents.

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Probably too embarrassed!  WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 22, 2013, 02:18:08 PM
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Yes ,shame about the Pier , how nice would Colwyn bay beach look without it. The trouble is now with the Waterfront there having a Pier as well looks too cluttered on the promenade.

Again, sorry to disagree here... but I think the Victorians knew a thing or two - and I think the positioning of the pier was perfect for this stretch (and shape) of bay. By their very nature, piers don't obstruct much, in terms of view. I see them as lattice-like enhancements.

Of course, nobody likes to see something that's rotting before our eyes. But that's a different issue from whether a pier fits that location. (I'm convinced, like the Victorians, that a pier does fit there). If the pier does get demolished, I think the Bay will lose something precious and irreplaceable. Future generations will wonder how we took these things for granted, and talked of them as so much "clutter".

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 22, 2013, 02:32:34 PM
BMD, many wise words!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 22, 2013, 06:49:53 PM
BMD said, "If the pier does get demolished, I think the Bay will lose something precious and irreplaceable."

Of course, that will then be the second pier that will have disappeared from the Bay.
Rhos-on-Sea pier disappeared 60 years ago and I don't suppose anyone missed it!   
It was much longer than Colwyn Bay Pier and serviced pleasure boats between Liverpool, Rhyl, and Conwy. It was sectioned during World War II for defence reasons.

It was damaged by fire and was pulled down in 1954.    ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on May 22, 2013, 08:19:53 PM
The business plan that I saw for the pier estimates at least £100k per annum needed for sustainability. That takes a hell of a lot of finding when there are times when nobody will venture there due to bad weather. Coupled with the fact that Porth Eirias will be trying to attract people too. Put buildings on it that will need maintaining and the overheads rocket. I would have thought that Hastings pier also had insurance to help the re-building. Llandudno Pier has seen better days and needs work - Piers are a nightmare to maintain but can be lovely if there is enough investment.

Porth Eirias is never going to be "lovely" but hopefully practical !I can sympathise with many of the comments about the Waterfront Hub, and it was not my favourite design (I liked the glass yacht) but it is not finished yet - e.g. landscaping is terrible! Unfortunately modern architecture is not always aesthetically pleasing. My heart sank when I first saw all the concrete, but that has improved with the cladding. The Town Council has raised the subject of the safety of the walls on the top level - potential for kids to climb over with a massive drop - and that is being discussed by the Project board (which has no Town Council representation). When the franchises are let there will be more going on indoors. I agree that the play area is in a strange place, but parents can sit close by, and the equipment is good.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 22, 2013, 08:41:23 PM
Seems on the building design we agree more than I thought Viv! Good to hear!  :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 22, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
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The business plan that I saw for the pier estimates at least £100k per annum needed for sustainability. That takes a hell of a lot of finding when there are times when nobody will venture there due to bad weather.

It'd be interesting to see comparisons of the pier & the Waterfront building in terms of ongoing costs, etc - particularly with regard to the money that has to be "found", and the proposals for where it's to be found. Where is the Waterfront building getting its funding from, on an ongoing basis?

The Waterfront building is touted as an "attraction" - the implication is that it will bring in money indirectly, via all the people it "attracts" to the town (or at least this is how it's been sold by some council members). But the same could be said of a well-renovated pier. Plus, the pier has the advantage of being closer to the town - it's directly opposite the main entrance to the promenade, a short stroll from the train station.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 22, 2013, 10:29:51 PM
Maybe the building on the waterfront should have been left until it was known what would happen to the pier then both waterfront and pier could have been designed to compliment each other.
On the other hand we have to remember the waterfront whether we hate it or not  was done as part of the sea defence. I think I read one of the original ideas for a seadefence  system was mainly a rock frontage all around the bay(Not good) by
anyones standards.
The Victorian buildings on the pier are long gone and would have been wonderful to see it return, but i sadly wonder if it is practical.
What would have been nice is just to have the basic pier restored and maybe a small token building on it maybe like Bangor Pier. Therefore there wouldn't be all these possible retail outlets needing to be used. I say this from seeing a friend struggling with a shop on
the Pier some years ago.
Colwyn Bay hasn't got the footfall that Llandudno has, with so many busy hotels and visitors using the pier there because people only have to walk a little way along the promenade. Yes there is a path through from town down to the Pier but sadly I don't see many visitors coming to stay in Colwyn Bay Town anymore ,  there isn't enough in the town to attract them.
We do have a nice little theatre ,a Zoo and a great sports park but that's about it. There isn't a lot to draw the older generation to holiday here and they are the ones who extend the holiday season. When I said about Clutter i meant the way it looks now with the pier.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on May 23, 2013, 07:07:12 AM
I've always thought the biggest problem with CB's pier is its lack of length. But I do agree about removal of the buildings; and you're spot on about the visitor patterns changing.  It's far from being a simple issue...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 23, 2013, 10:49:30 AM
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What would have been nice is just to have the basic pier restored and maybe a small token building on it maybe like Bangor Pier. Therefore there wouldn't be all these possible retail outlets needing to be used.

I agree with that. I'd be happy to see the pier well-preserved as a basic structure. But the arguments about money would need to shift from: "how is it going to financially justify its own existence?" to "it's an absolute priority to preserve this important part of our heritage".

The Waterfront building isn't part of the sea defenses - it's a non-essential addition to them. A costly addition. What I don't understand is why the Waterfront building apparently doesn't have to financially justify itself (in the way that the pier seemingly has to). There's a lot of "emperor's new clothes" about this issue.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 23, 2013, 11:10:11 AM
I've seen on Facebook that the rent for the cafe in the Skip by the Sea is £40k a year plus rates! If that is true no wonder it isn't in use!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on May 23, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
Maybe the buildings on the Waterfront may be a waste, I suppose time will tell unless they get a really nice cafe going on there I see closed doors, hopefully that wont happen.
I understood that the base of the waterfront with looks good, and the rock groyne from it were actually helping to stop the sand from moving further along and keeping the sea back in that area therefore keeping that nice little beach and the prom from getting battered by the sea. Something to do with longshore drift i believe with our prevailing winds coming  Westerly to North west. Therefore part of protecting the shoreline. Again time will tell. The work  had to be done along the seafront to protect road and railway so therefore a little extra was thrown in to sweeten the medicine.A safe place for Jet skiers was needed too  (could have been prettier and cheaper). Maybe a Little pavilion would have looked good instead of the utility look now. Although i like some modern designs personally I feel the coast and beaches are naturally beautiful as are the Mountains and lakes of Snowdonia and therefore ,I would like to see any structures remain sympathetic to their surroundings. Which the skip shaped building is not by any stretch of the imagination, but sadly we are stuck with it.


Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 24, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
I went this morning to see the high tide, had a look at Porth Eirias too, is it open? hard to tell really! Already it's in need of cleaning up and sand has blown on to the road (like the West Shore in Llandudno!) they were cleaning up the sand when we drove back, plenty of work for the council for years to come there! No watersports were going on at all!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 24, 2013, 05:33:56 PM
The Prophesy is manifesting itself!     ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: mull on May 24, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
There is to much sand lets cover the beach with rocks. That might cure the problem.  :'( :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 24, 2013, 05:38:11 PM
Good idea!  :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 25, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
Nice photos, ME. I sincerely hope my oft mentioned prediction of a serious storm flooding the Watersports Centre does not happen!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 25, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
Thanks Dave, yes a flood would not be good! I actually liked being on the roof watching the waves etc, I like having a building there, I just wish it looked a lot better! I was imagining (as you have said) sitting with a coffee behind strong glass windows (the end clad in zinc!) watching the waves, would have been great, will have to try the cafe if it opens, at least some large windows!  I would not want my car getting covered in sea water though!  :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 25, 2013, 05:31:04 PM
Some letters in this week's NW Weekly News expressing disappointment with the Waterfront building. An accompanying picture has the caption: "UNPOPULAR: Some readers are unimpressed by the new Porth Eirias complex at Colwyn Bay".

The inside of the building was closed today, as it was when I visited earlier in the week. But the kids' playground area (in the shadow of the overhanging zinc wedge) was busy & noisy today. Not sure it's a good spot for a noisy playgound. The more I consider the design, the more I think it's badly thought-out.
 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 26, 2013, 10:52:15 AM
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The more I consider the design, the more I think it's badly thought-out.
 

Don't know about badly thought out, there doesn't appear to have been one ounce of thought put into it!

During my many years in the construction industry I have certainly seen many peculiar and ill conceived structures but this one surpasses them all for both awful design and function.  With that tortuous climb for wheelchairs, they obviously are trying their best to discourage disabled people, and to my mind are in breach of the access regulations for public buildings.

It is just a graffiti artists dream come true - must get all my unused spray paints out and give the place some character!   ZXZ

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: mull on May 26, 2013, 01:01:37 PM
You might have something there Yorkie.
Some councils encourage graffiti to by having competitions.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 26, 2013, 03:58:56 PM
Went to have a second look this afternoon just make sure that the ones I got from Specsavers were not  letting me down - they weren't, it really is awful!

However, what I did see was a large area of the upper level car park coned and taped off for the Colwyn Bay Jet Ski Club!   What a bloody cheek !   Surely it should be for the use of all.   :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 26, 2013, 05:21:03 PM
The council's original promotional video ( see link) mentioned wheelchair users, but this was before the zig-zagging & plant beds (which was an afterthought, not in original plans). I wonder what they were thinking...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajTZ_dlGqrk#t=8m26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajTZ_dlGqrk#t=8m26)

(You may have to open videos in separate window for them to work).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on May 26, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
It worked fine thanks. Very informative--but not the same layout at all to me. Just as a comment. ---What irritating background music :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 26, 2013, 06:52:21 PM
Yeah. They were still going with the original design at that point (all glass, projecting roof section, etc). It's less than two years since the council put that video up. Kind of makes you wonder about the timing of the drastic design changes.

(As it turns out Youtube links seem fine in this forum - they automatically open in separate window).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 27, 2013, 01:06:59 PM
  A few days ago Yorkie wrote that Rhos pier was damaged by fire.
  I don,t recall anything about a fire there, unless, which is perfectly possible, a kiosk of some sort was vandalised.
  White Rabbit has a good memory of old Rhos. Do you remember this? I certainly don,t. Mike
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 27, 2013, 03:44:05 PM
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  A few days ago Yorkie wrote that Rhos pier was damaged by fire.
  I don,t recall anything about a fire there, unless, which is perfectly possible, a kiosk of some sort was vandalised.
  White Rabbit has a good memory of old Rhos. Do you remember this? I certainly don,t. Mike

My information taken from the Piers Society:

http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSrhos.html (http://www.piers.org.uk/pierpages/NPSrhos.html)

Don't think White Rabbit would have been old enough to remember the details of the pier's demise!  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: white rabbit on May 27, 2013, 07:51:25 PM
No I'm afraid I was too young to remember that! ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 31, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 31, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on June 03, 2013, 08:27:16 AM
Took our usual Sunday morning stroll along Rhos /Colwyn prom. from The Cayley towards the pier. How can anyone condone the sense in spending so much cash on the 'New skip' when the railings, prom surface and cycle track are in such a state?
Having just been to Tywyn and stopped to eat a picnic we were impressed by the state of the place, spotless, tidy prom, non-rusty railings and clean places to sit.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 03, 2013, 08:42:21 AM
All that section of Prom is getting completely rebuilt as well, so I suppose no money is being spent on maintenance. Does look very tatty at the moment.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 03, 2013, 10:03:22 AM
Are many water sports enthusiasts using it? I imagine most will come for the day, bring their own food etc and off again. Time will tell!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 03, 2013, 08:54:43 PM
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Are many water sports enthusiasts using it? I imagine most will come for the day, bring their own food etc and off again. Time will tell!

I am still hoping they will do rental on things like Jet Skis.
I would pay a lot of money to have a spin for an hour or so on those.
That type of activity happens a lot in resorts abroad, and a few in the UK.
I actually believed that kind of thing is what it was designed to offer.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 03, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
Would be a good idea if insurance etc allows it. I won't be going on one though! Happy to watch you doing it!  ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 03, 2013, 09:09:01 PM
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Would be a good idea if insurance etc allows it. I won't be going on one though! Happy to watch you doing it!  ;D

I nearly perished (seriously) doing that in Acapulco Bay, Mexico...
But I would do it again, and take more care!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 04, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
Popped by Port Eirias again on Sunday and once again found the parking area coned and taped off for the Colwyn Bay Water Ski etc Club.  I wonder what rent, if any, they are paying back to us who have paid for it, for the privilege of using this expensive facility? 

FO one may suspect!   ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on June 05, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
05/06/13 - Cabinet give go ahead for first lease

Conwy County Borough Council is pleased to announce that it has agreed to lease premises to the first tenant at Porth Eirias on Colwyn Bay promenade.

Conwy's Cabinet has agreed to grant a lease to Colwyn Bay Watersports.  The terms and conditions have been agreed; with just the final legal and property formalities to be confirmed.

Colwyn Bay Watersports will be offering tuition in sailing, windsurfing and power boating as well as kayak and canoe hire from the new building.

Cllr Graham Rees, Cabinet Member for Tourism, Marketing and Leisure said:

"Colwyn Bay Watersports is exactly the kind of business we were looking for to work from Porth Eirias to attract visitors and make the most of the marvellous waterfront. And bringing people into Colwyn Bay will encourage further investment to continue the regeneration of the town."

Director of Colwyn Bay Watersports, Taffy Osborne, explained:

"We're really excited to be able to work from Porth Eirias. As well as watersports tuition for all ages, we're planning to host weekend events which will bring in spectators and showcase watersports at the highest level. We'll also be working with schools to encourage local children to take up activities."

"We had a great time at Prom Xtra letting people know about us, and it was brilliant meeting so many people who are enthusiastic about watersports in Colwyn Bay. We are really looking forward to giving people their first chance to try sailing and windsurfing, and see the sailing potential of the Bay realised."

 
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Hugo on June 06, 2013, 07:20:02 PM
I went to the Kiosk on the Promenade (the one with the pink car outside) and it was packed out.  It may have been breezy on the promenade but the welcome from the gentleman serving there was as warm as usual.
As I was enjoying my egg and bacon bap and coffee I could hear a few people saying that they would be sorry if the closure of the kiosk goes ahead as they enjoy going there so much and I think that there are many more who feel the same.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on June 06, 2013, 10:23:13 PM
I so agree,these folk running the Kiosks live everyday with a future closure threat. It is so very sad that at the waterfront there is nothing up to now for refreshments and those kiosks along there were closed prematurely. The people leasing them could have had another season and folks would have had a place for icecream etc and a bucket and spade. A bad oversight again. I have heard people saying how bad that there isnt any facilities for refreshments as yet down there. Think ill stick to Rhos with my grandchildren. Kiosks and cafes and adequate loos.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on June 07, 2013, 08:26:27 AM
I'd like to see new facilities that comprise an inside cafe area/outside hatch for people who want to sit out or takeaway/attached toilet.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 07, 2013, 08:31:05 AM
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Colwyn Bay Watersports is exactly the kind of business we were looking for
Not a business though really, is it? It's a community interest company, basically a pumped up charity. Will they be paying a commercial rent? When is the Bistro opening? Is is true that the kitchens haven't even been fitted yet? Considering that the cafe facility was advertised as being available to lease over 2 years ago, isn't it a complete scandal that it's still not open?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 07, 2013, 10:10:53 AM
We had a look around it yesterday morning and a man inside invited us to have a look, nice chap too, it seems all the exposed pipes, wiring is part of an industrial look (why that is a good thing escapes me!) I suggested that keeping the pipes etc dust free over an eating area would be tricky! He said that the reception area should be staffed in a fortnight too! They have someone probably lined up to run the cafe (I'll believe it when I see it! ). We had a tour of the changing rooms and conference rooms, all very smart looking, as it should be as we know it cost a fortune to build it! I asked how will all these water sports visitors be paying to use it? it seems they are still deciding on that one! Probably a day pass. I wonder just how many water sports visitors will turn up? Enough to pay for it? Hard to imagine somehow! I hope I'm wrong and it is a big success! The zig zag path? They have timed it at 1 minute 58 seconds to get a wheelchair up it!  ££$
He was familiar with my name for the place 'Skip by the Sea'  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 07, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
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it seems all the exposed pipes, wiring is part of an industrial look
That's what they always say when there isn't enough money to fit it out properly....
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 07, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
Indeed, if this exposed wiring pipes etc looks so good, the architect who likes it should have it in their own house! It looks ugly and unfinished! Everyone I spoke to who saw it on the prom day thought the same!  &shake&
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on June 07, 2013, 10:08:31 PM
Sounds good if the money could be found and enough customers to keep them going. I wonder if they have found anyone for the new waterfront cafe. Its taking so long, as i heard ages ago there was suppose to be a lot of interest.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on June 09, 2013, 12:38:01 PM
The problem is the lack of initiative at CCBC. They'll say that they haven't the money to build a new cafe. That's ok, so let the private sector build and run the cafe, in return for a significant rent free period that reflects the construction cost. Try and do that...not a chance, they'd rather do nothing that let someone else 'show them up' by doing the job quickly and efficiently.  &shake&

The former cafe at Rhos Point is another classic example. It needs structural repairs and no money is apparently in the council pot to do it. So...shall we let the private sector rebuild it and run it at zero cost to the taxpayer, or shall we leave it a derelict eyesore for a few more years? I'm told over 20 different people have expressed an interest in reopening it..how many jobs are being missed out on, business rates, taxes by leaving it closed?  &shake&
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Nemesis on June 09, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
Been on that way this morning-- Peter and Carole at the Coffee Pot were packed-- the two kiosks nearest Porth Erias derelict---but--- some enterprising person has pulled up with a snack caravan next to the pier ! No doubt they will probably be shifted, but full marks for effort--they were doing good trade too.

The new beach was busy. but the area along the Cayley Prom was quieter than usual. Tide was up, but plenty of sand near the pier. Porth Erias itself didn't look to be open--no open doors or lights inside.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Hugo on June 09, 2013, 03:14:03 PM
There was a guy in a large Citroen van doing snacks in the area and according to a friend who had a drink there he was very good.  I'm sure that there was an article on TV about him some months ago.   
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Yorkie on June 09, 2013, 05:14:59 PM
There have been a few (probably unlicenced) snack and ice cream vans about during this sunny spell.   Just hope they are clean enogh to pass the hygeine regs should they need to!    Z**
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: DaveR on June 09, 2013, 06:21:20 PM
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There was a guy in a large Citroen van doing snacks in the area and according to a friend who had a drink there he was very good.  I'm sure that there was an article on TV about him some months ago.
You're thinking of Providero? According to Twitter, CCBC don't want him operating as he might provide competition with his high quality coffee and cakes (which is, of course, a terrible thing) to their own concessions like Porth Eirias, yep, the ones that aren't even open yet and show no signs of opening. Providero is fully licenced by CCBC, by the way.
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Yorkie on June 09, 2013, 07:36:15 PM
I am aware of Providero, but I was referring to others who just suddenly appeared as the weather changed.  One in particular was using a couple of places often frequented by Providero.  One was even serving very close to The Skip!   ZXZ

No one seems to have any authority to move them on, or check licences.  If there are such people they are conspicuous by their absence.   ;)

I understand from all reports that Providro are also dab hands at Weddings!    Z**
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: viv on June 09, 2013, 09:35:24 PM
The man from the one by the pier is the man with the big white food van on the other side of the pier, and he is licensed. The family that ran the next one towards Eirias have been running the little cafe near the bowling green while the Council sorted out the lease on that kiosk ( the wheels turn very slowly!). In a couple of weeks they will be also running the kiosk on a lease that will take them through the holiday season. I did spot an ice cream van in that general location today, much to everyone's relief I think!!

There will eventually be new kiosks, probably with a toilet, but as you are aware, the funding comes in stages so other sections of the prom will be playing catch-up for a couple of years.

It is so amazing to see so many people on the beach enjoying themselves again - but the sand can't do it on its own - the weather is the main thing, and no-one can control that.

Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Hugo on June 09, 2013, 10:33:49 PM
That's the person I was thinking of Dave,      $thanx$


www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1t38f0ERNg‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1t38f0ERNg‎)




Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: Linda on June 10, 2013, 12:16:18 AM
Viv, that beach area has been trashed again . Walked with my sis along there tonight. Never seen so much rubbish anywhere along the coast before, shocked glass bottles stacks of them some half buried ,cans and plastic. This is unbelievable and so dangerous for little kids. This lots been left from  partying over the weekend. Not visitors. Hope its cleared by morning. I would like to know where the litter inspectors are now.
I drove past last night and thought how great it was for the Young folk getting together on there in the nice weather. Until i saw what was on the beach tonight, did it not get cleared this morning.? CCBC had better get their act together down there and the police because theres is a lot of drinking going on with the kids. Looks great during the day when loads of people on it, but go look down there now.
Not enough waste bins either, though that's not an excuse.
Sorry if im in wrong place with this post.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 10, 2013, 07:04:01 AM
On a very busy day yesterday, the Watersports Centre was firmly locked up and empty.

My question is...how can it still be closed when we had a Grand Opening several weeks ago? This is horrendously embarrassing for both CCBC and Councillors, a £5m building sitting empty and unfinished, a year after the initial forecast opening date.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 10, 2013, 07:22:00 AM
Strangely the councillors I have spoken to (at the Forties weekend) all seemed proud of it! Seems to be a classic case of The Emperor's new clothes! I would like to know what rents are they charging for business's who want to go in there? I suspect that is why it is empty! Any councillors care to comment?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on June 10, 2013, 08:13:47 AM
Just out of interest -- do the jet ski people pay to block off the car park for themselves? If not -- to my mind a little income (?) might come in towards the building. :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 10, 2013, 08:28:18 AM
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My question is...how can it still be closed when we had a Grand Opening several weeks ago? This is horrendously embarrassing for both CCBC and Councillors, a £5m building sitting empty and unfinished, a year after the initial forecast opening date.

Well, it has administrators, cleaners, accountants - all the things it needs to ensure its full operation and smooth running. And having the public in would only create more problems, so CCBC probably need the time to ensure it can run efficiently, without the distractions paying customers would mean.  It's rather clever, actually;  open it, but contrive to keep it looking like a building site, so most people will assume it's still not operational. They probably intend to have people using it in a year - or two, when the financial situation has eased up a bit. For now, however, it is a monument to the careful planning of CCBC councillors, a citadel for admiration by holidaymakers and a testament to the rigorous approach to development and civic duty the Council execute so admirably.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 10, 2013, 09:58:04 AM
 :laugh:  'admiration by holidaymakers' the two I spoke to last week, who had the guided tour with us, had the reaction of 'what the bloody hell is that?' when they first saw it! A small sample I admit, but probably 95 per cent typical reaction! Those of us who live here though have had to pay for it!  :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on June 10, 2013, 10:52:17 AM
I am repeating myself i know here, but I posted on the wrong topic last night, see the Kiosks. Glass bottles cans and plastic bottles and bags all over the beach last night, there must have been massive partying going on even empty wine bottles and boxes of emptys bud etc all over the place. What a great place for an evening stroll (NOT) let alone taking any little ones down . A disgrace hope its cleared this morn coz looked like it was from the whole weekend. Never seen anything like it up and down this coast. Even holiday hotspots of Towyn
etc . my father managed couple of holiday camps down there but never saw rubbish as bad. If this is going to be every weekend through the summer and hols(coz it was a lot of kids) bit of a shambles i think.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 10, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
Odd how Llandudno Beach gets just as busy but stays quite clean?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on June 10, 2013, 01:17:54 PM
maybe its because Llandudno has buildings overlooking the beach ,so can be seen more easily. Or its a Colwyn culture but having thought before the litter fines were quite high. Iv certainly changed my mind now seeing that mess again last night. there are no cameras or anyone to police that area. Its just left. All that money thats gone into this making it pleasant for locals and visitors. These councillors need to get down there at weekends and nice evenings. to see whats going on.We watched a big bunch of kids walk off the beach last night and leave all their rubbish. I couldnt believe it. Iv had teenage kids of my own so i maybe a little more easy going than some, but its just treated as a dump. Apart from all the underage drinking that must be going on, wheres the Police!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 10, 2013, 01:30:27 PM
I wonder where the kids are buying the alcohol from?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on June 11, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
If you have a mixed age group then its easy. Just send the eldest. There are plenty of places in Colwyn Bay.
The beach had been cleared yesterday, but thats not the point is it? . The rubbish shouldnt be left in the first place and with no toilets open in the evening that will be another story. We have to have this area policed some how otherwise this Waterfront area that is suppose to be an asset to the Bay will soon become somewhere no one wants to go near. Such a shame.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 11, 2013, 10:59:09 AM
Vigilantes?    ^^^^
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 11, 2013, 12:58:27 PM
No CCTV ? If not there needs to be!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 11, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
It's not too late to nominate the Colwyn Bay Waterfront building for the 2013 Carbuncle Cup. (I've seen buildings nominated that aren't as bad, in my opinion - especially when you consider the location of Porth Eirias).

I think several people need to nominate a building before they'll consider it as an official nomination. So if, like me, you think the council (and architects) need a reminder that not everyone swallows the cheery PR concerning the skip-like edifice, send an email with your nomination to Building Design magazine at: bdonline@ubm.com

That's all that's needed.

More details, and another recent Carbuncle Cup nomination: http://www.bdonline.co.uk/buildings/carbuncle-cup/carbuncle-cup-nomination-%E2%80%94-castle-mill-housing-port-meadow-oxford-by-frankham-consultancy-group/5055628.article (http://www.bdonline.co.uk/buildings/carbuncle-cup/carbuncle-cup-nomination-%E2%80%94-castle-mill-housing-port-meadow-oxford-by-frankham-consultancy-group/5055628.article)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Mikethewatch on June 11, 2013, 05:56:55 PM
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No CCTV ? If not there needs to be!
On a beach, can you imagine the outcry on that one?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 11, 2013, 06:01:22 PM
If no one is doing anything wrong then they have no problem?
Title: Re: The Snack Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade
Post by: wrex on June 11, 2013, 06:51:53 PM
only one kiosk was closed today,the one next to the pier.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on June 12, 2013, 12:19:32 AM
I didn't think of the implications of CCTV covering a beach. Hmm! could be a problem where people sunbathing and swimming , infringement of privacy. I think someone like we had before all this work started a real live person walking along the promenade in uniform. I even remember talking to him only i cant remember what his title was (beach warden) possibly. Where have they gone as there were a couple of these guys patrolling during the summer months. Not quite a Vigilante Yorkie but we could hire a couple of beach buggy's to do the job 8)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: poppy on June 12, 2013, 02:10:10 AM
If the place is going to remain empty for a while, why not let the local police make use of the building as a base for the local bobbies.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 12, 2013, 09:59:59 AM
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..........Where have they gone as there were a couple of these guys patrolling during the summer months. Not quite a Vigilante Yorkie but we could hire a couple of beach buggy's to do the job 8)

Originally known as Promenade Inspectors or Seaboard Inspectors when Tony Mead was in charge.  I do believe that I read a report recently about a couple of Quad Bikes being bought to save their feet.

They could work late into the evening just as the Car Park wallers do, issuing "on the spot fines".
 ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 12, 2013, 12:10:58 PM
I'd like to see CCTV in council meetings, so we can monitor those who spend our money.

That might be a more cost-effective use of surveillance than monitoring litter-bugs!  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 12, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
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I'd like to see CCTV in council meetings, so we can monitor those who spend our money.
That might be a more cost-effective use of surveillance than monitoring litter-bugs!  ;)

Most Council Meetings  (Town or County) are open meetings so no need to go google eyed watching  Monitor, get a free seat amongst the action!

And if you miss a Meeting, you can always read the Minutes later    :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 12, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
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Most Council Meetings  (Town or County) are open meetings so no need to go google eyed watching  Monitor, get a free seat amongst the action!

And if you miss a Meeting, you can always read the Minutes later    :D

That's interesting - I may go along. Actually, at one point I considered asking for the minutes of the meetings with the architects, in which they decided to use zinc instead of glass (etc). But I thought: 'life's too short' (I'd also read some of the rather obstructive FOI responses to requests for council info regarding the pier).

I just googled "attending council meetings conwy", and got this interesting Daily Post piece, which says the council is considering broadcasting webcasts of meetings: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-council-consider-webcasts-meetings-2636676 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-council-consider-webcasts-meetings-2636676)

I remain sceptical, though. In my experience, the bureaucratic instinct is to resist openess while ostensibly promoting it. The misleading "public consultations" regarding the development of Porth Eirias are a case in point.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 12, 2013, 07:16:12 PM
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In my experience, the bureaucratic instinct is to resist openess while ostensibly promoting it. The misleading "public consultations" regarding the development of Porth Eirias are a case in point.
Spot on.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 12, 2013, 08:10:28 PM
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the biggest disadvantage was the cost, not only to set it up but the “considerable” managing and maintainance costs.

 _))*

1 x Broadband router and connection, half a dozen web cams, some free software and a mixer. Probably costs all of £300...

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 15, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
A nice, helpful chap gave me a tour of the Waterfront building this morning.

The large zinc-clad section pointing out to sea contains changing rooms & toilets... and, er, that seems to be about it. I mentioned to him that this seemed odd planning, particularly as this section was originally designed as glass-clad. He replied that, to his mind, they were "two completely different buildings" (ie the original design & the actual built version) - but, that (to quote him), "I'm not allowed to say much about that... and I don't know too much about it myself".

So, the largest, ugliest section of the building - which now dominates the promenade - contains nothing that really has to have a prominent position (or be that size, particularly in height).

There are two conference areas - one small, and one fairly large (under the pier-facing ramp). This is a public building set on a beach - is it really the place for conference rooms? (Colwyn Bay is full of empty & underused buildings as it is). I wonder how often they'll be used, and by whom.

Aside from the positives (it'll be nice to have a cafe, and I like steps down to the beach), I think this is one of the most ill-conceived uses of expensive, prominently-positioned building space I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 15, 2013, 02:50:54 PM
Funnily enough, I visited too this morning.

Still no sign of any progress whatsoever on the cafe or the shop areas...this is fast turning into a £5,000,000 disaster for Conwy County taxpayers.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 15, 2013, 04:17:39 PM
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Still no sign of any progress whatsoever on the cafe or the shop areas...this is fast turning into a £5,000,000 disaster for Conwy County taxpayers.

Can we sue the Council?     D)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 15, 2013, 04:30:50 PM
My parents visited me at Colwyn Bay a week ago, and I showed them around the Waterfront building. My dad (who's in his mid-80s) commented: "the problem is they have no imagination".

I couldn't have agreed more with him. You have a Victorian seaside resort, and £5m to build an ATTRACTION on its promenade. Who would think of conference rooms and acres of boring zinc cladding?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 15, 2013, 06:18:09 PM
Amazingly we also had a visit this afternoon! I was looking to see how many watersports enthusiasts would be there on a lovely sunny June weekend. I saw one sail board, one jetski and two canoes and that's it! I saw someone attempting to use the non working drinking fountain! Plenty of children in the play area, but nothing really to bring money in! It's brand new yet looking tatty already, wood splitting and I noticed sand and litter behind the higher glass panels the planted borders also do not look very good to say the least! Heads should roll over this eyesore!  I did like the mosaic though!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 16, 2013, 01:38:56 PM

QUESTIONS are being asked as to why the £5m Porth Eirias Watersports Centre in Colwyn Bay remains unopened, despite a much hyped launch party held nearly a month ago.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-being-asked-over-porth-4310831 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-being-asked-over-porth-4310831)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 16, 2013, 03:24:33 PM
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QUESTIONS are being asked as to why the £5m Porth Eirias Watersports Centre in Colwyn Bay remains unopened, despite a much hyped launch party held nearly a month ago.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-being-asked-over-porth-4310831 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-being-asked-over-porth-4310831)

The article mentions beach users wanting access to the (still unopened) toilets in Porth Eirias. My impression was that the toilets are actually tucked away behind changing rooms (in the large windowless zinc wedge) - as if they were intended primarily for the watersports people, not for easy access by loads of beach-users & their kids.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 17, 2013, 12:05:57 AM
hhh
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 17, 2013, 09:27:40 AM
Just to mention, as regards beach cleanliness, I walked along the length of new beach on Saturday afternoon and it was spotless.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 17, 2013, 10:27:45 AM
A rather lively discussion about the Watersports Centre on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColwynBayPastPresent/posts/264399007034942 (https://www.facebook.com/ColwynBayPastPresent/posts/264399007034942)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 17, 2013, 12:30:56 PM
Yes, some good comments there! I wonder how councillors elected by us, can spend so much on something that few seem to want!  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 17, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
Maybe the rule should be that all expenditure on a project costing above a set amount must be approved by council taxpayers via an Internet ballot on CCBC website? Assuming we could reply on them not to fiddle the result, of course... :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 17, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Sounds good in theory! I remember speaking about it to two people at the Forties weekend, I told them my views on it then found out they were town councillors, both seemed genuinely convinced that the building would bring in lots of visitors. I hope it does, but I can't see it somehow!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Blongb on June 17, 2013, 06:55:08 PM
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The article mentions beach users wanting access to the (still unopened) toilets in Porth Eirias. My impression was that the toilets are actually tucked away behind changing rooms (in the large windowless zinc wedge) - as if they were intended primarily for the watersports people, not for easy access by loads of beach-users & their kids.

The toilets are tucked away behind the changing rooms and you do have to go out of your way to find them, however there are free public toilets readily accessible just across the promenade. So you have to ask why does Colwyn Bay prom have two sets of free conveniences for visitors to use and we in Llandudno only have the ones at the Paddling Pool a mile and a half from where they are needed?  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 18, 2013, 06:30:50 AM
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The toilets are tucked away behind the changing rooms and you do have to go out of your way to find them, however there are free public toilets readily accessible just across the promenade. So you have to ask why does Colwyn Bay prom have two sets of free conveniences for visitors to use and we in Llandudno only have the ones at the Paddling Pool a mile and a half from where they are needed?  ???

It's much worse for us older ones - by the time we have walked from the Cenotaph to the paddling pool, we've forgotten what we went for!    ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on June 18, 2013, 08:33:17 AM
Or worse !! ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 18, 2013, 10:58:20 AM
Interesting comment from the architect's Twitter account. Said, in jest, obviously - but, still, "evil base"? Perhaps such architecture is more suited to an out-of-town business park than to a Victorian seaside resort?

(http://i44.tinypic.com/sgh153.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 18, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
Hard to believe that all those years of training to become an architect could result in such a disappointing building! But I assume that's what the council wanted, makes no sense at all! Is there anyone with anything good to say about it?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 18, 2013, 11:25:52 AM
Kevin Horton BA (HONS) DIP.ARCH RIBA,
Finance & Operations Director

Kevin began working in architectural practice in 1989, rising to the position of senior project architect for a large international firm where he was responsible for developing and delivering projects from £25-£85m in value. Kevin’s experience has given him a sophisticated understanding of building design exemplified in his leadership of the pratices flagship project, the Colwyn Bay Watersports Centre. Kevin also chairs the Liverpool City Chamber of Commerce council, advising on construction and development.

Flagship project!  _))*

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 19, 2013, 07:59:38 AM
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 25, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
Porth Eirias has now been officially nominated for the 2013 Carbuncle Cup at Building Design magazine. Their page even has a link to this forum discussion: http://www.bdonline.co.uk/buildings/carbuncle-cup/carbuncle-cup-nomination-%E2%80%94-porth-eirias-watersports-centre-colwyn-bay-wales-by-k2-architects/5056764.article (http://www.bdonline.co.uk/buildings/carbuncle-cup/carbuncle-cup-nomination-%E2%80%94-porth-eirias-watersports-centre-colwyn-bay-wales-by-k2-architects/5056764.article)

The page is currently showing as "registered users only" (this may change?). Anyway, it's quick & free to register if you want to view it. Meanwhile, here's a screen-grab:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 25, 2013, 06:51:26 PM
Not that easy to register, none of the job titles match me! (Retired early)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 25, 2013, 08:01:28 PM
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Not that easy to register, none of the job titles match me! (Retired early)

I just put anything for those - assumed they don't matter. Main thing, I think, is to enter a valid email address, so you get a confirmation letting you know when you can look at the page (which was fairly instantaneous). You can also post comments underneath the main article when you've registered. 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 25, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
There's also a reference to the name "Skip-by-the sea" having caught on among locals (which it has indeed) - and if I remember rightly, you may have coined that phrase.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 25, 2013, 08:15:18 PM
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There's also a reference to the name "Skip-by-the sea" having caught on among locals (which it has indeed) - and if I remember rightly, you may have coined that phrase.
Fame at last, Merddin!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 25, 2013, 09:16:04 PM
Infamy infamy, they've all got it in for me!  :laugh: yes it was me who first called it the 'Skip by the Sea'  :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 26, 2013, 10:51:32 AM
From a distance it does not look any better!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on June 26, 2013, 01:49:46 PM
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Infamy infamy, they've all got it in for me!  :laugh: yes it was me who first called it the 'Skip by the Sea'  :D

Well done M.E.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 26, 2013, 05:09:45 PM
It looks very dull the moment it goes cloudy. Not sure that zinc is such a huge improvement over, say, concrete - despite the council's PR about it being a "chameleon-like" material.

Also, the garden could do with some work.

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 27, 2013, 10:26:18 AM
The Skip by the Sea, more news!

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/porth-eirias-nominated-ugliest-building-4724818 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/porth-eirias-nominated-ugliest-building-4724818)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 27, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
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It looks very dull the moment it goes cloudy. Not sure that zinc is such a huge improvement over, say, concrete - despite the council's PR about it being a "chameleon-like" material.


Sadly the "chameleon-like" ability is not working, you can still see the hideous thing whatever the weather!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on June 27, 2013, 01:01:14 PM
Should we believe that all those clumps of grass have been planted there in order to help bind the soil and therefore prevent soil erosion?
Or.
Is it just that nobody can be bothered to weed it and plant proper plants which are tolerant of the local climate and conditions?
It might even be the same strain of grass as on the Turf Clock.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 27, 2013, 02:58:40 PM
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The Skip by the Sea, more news!

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/porth-eirias-nominated-ugliest-building-4724818 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/porth-eirias-nominated-ugliest-building-4724818)

I saw this in the print edition of the Daily Post this morning. There's a picture on the front page, with the caption "IS THIS THE UK'S UGLIEST BUILDING - see page 3". Most of page 3 is taken up with the report, together with a big photo showing the building in a more ugly light than the one in the online article. (I'll post a scan later).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 27, 2013, 04:25:40 PM
Here's a scan of page 3 of today's Daily Post:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on June 27, 2013, 11:30:37 PM
 The Waterfront would look so much better if it was softened by some large palms on the beach side, if they would survive, It just needs some TLC.(or bulldozer)  Or it could be painted with a few wave like designs and turn it into an Aquarium or similar. As it is we are stuck with it so to make the best of it add more greenery, those grasses are getting walked on and drying out.
 I just hope it doesn't turn into the Ffrith beach disaster, all the colourful buildings left to rot. I seem to remember as a kid Ffrith beach was really nice with boating and amusements, simple seaside fun ,what a mess was made of that.
 I'm sure though with time ( about 100 years or so) the grasses will have grown high enough to cover the whole lot it.|Giving it a mysterious and surreal look. Maybe the waterfront buildings will be our very own Machu Picchu 'The Lost city of the Incas' . It even has the slabs on the top , uch! gruesome!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 28, 2013, 12:09:02 AM
Macchu Pichu.... doesn't he play up front for Swansea City FC?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on June 28, 2013, 12:51:18 AM
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Macchu Pichu.... doesn't he play up front for Swansea City FC?
  :laugh:
I understand the players name is Michu  D)
Imagination of mine running amoke with the waterfront building ,something the developers didnt have a lot of.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 28, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
Now that it has 'official' confirmation (so to speak) of being not very nice to look at, I'm seeing architect & designer types saying criticial things about it on the web. There are also some amusing comments on Twitter, eg:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 30, 2013, 04:58:14 PM
Correction to something I wrote earlier, based on a tour of the building (which gave me the impression the toilets were only accessible via the changing rooms): I noticed on my latest wander, that the toilets are also accessible directly from the corridor fairly near to the entrance to the building which faces Old Colwyn. They seemed open and functional this time.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on June 30, 2013, 05:27:59 PM
Wheeeeeeee! :-[
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on June 30, 2013, 05:33:58 PM
Literally, in fact   WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 30, 2013, 06:38:22 PM
The Skip in its full glory. When I passed through yesterday, the reception desk was manned. Apparently, the duties of the person manning it are to play on Facebook all day.  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on June 30, 2013, 06:40:36 PM
Send them a link to the three towns forum then, at least they might learn somehing that way.   _))*  _))*  _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 01, 2013, 12:35:54 AM
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Literally, in fact   WWW WWW WWW

Not before you got there hopefully  :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on July 03, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-23146782 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-23146782)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 05, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
Some coverage of the Carbuncle Cup nomination in the Pioneer this week:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on July 09, 2013, 06:35:42 PM
Didn't look any better even on this beautiful day. We thought it looked like a large grey landing craft as we approached from this direction.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 09, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
I expect the new cafe in there was doing a roaring trade! (Is there one open yet?)  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 10, 2013, 12:09:16 AM
 We took an evening stroll down there tonight. We didn't notice any sign of a Cafe as yet.  Quite nice tho for photos on the top . 8) 8) There is a worrying problem though where the glass walling meets the pathway up(on the zigzag side) the metal edging doesn't meet the capping and there is several areas of very sharp edging would injure someone badly, a child standing near the glass or an old person . All they would have to do is slip there and the injury would not be slight I assure you. Who do we contact as this is dreadful workmanship. Also wooden boarding protruding outwards again requiring attention (Health and Safety etc, as we in businesses in the past have been held to account for) for this is an accident waiting to happen &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: romanjohn on July 10, 2013, 02:46:49 AM
Or a new warship that should be building in portsmouth dockyard and it got lost     on the way no more silly comments from him at  02.45 in the morning. romanjohn
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 10, 2013, 07:30:36 AM
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We took an evening stroll down there tonight. We didn't notice any sign of a Cafe as yet.  Quite nice tho for photos on the top . 8) 8) There is a worrying problem though where the glass walling meets the pathway up(on the zigzag side) the metal edging doesn't meet the capping and there is several areas of very sharp edging would injure someone badly, a child standing near the glass or an old person . All they would have to do is slip there and the injury would not be slight I assure you. Who do we contact as this is dreadful workmanship. Also wooden boarding protruding outwards again requiring attention (Health and Safety etc, as we in businesses in the past have been held to account for) for this is an accident waiting to happen &shake& &shake&

I would think that you should contact CCBC as they are responsible for it, or you could try..

Hideousbadlybuiltpointlessskipbytheseaohlookstillnocafeopen.co.uk.  ££$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 10, 2013, 07:58:25 AM
We could register that domain.    WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 10, 2013, 08:05:22 AM
Yes, unless CCBC have beaten us to it!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on July 10, 2013, 09:07:07 AM
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I expect the new cafe in there was doing a roaring trade! (Is there one open yet?)  &shake&

We didn't stop but we would have done if the cafe had been open because we were looking for somewhere to go for lunch.
The beach looked great and was full of people as were the remaining kiosks and food van.
There were masses of cars parked on both sides of the road most of the way down. Sun, sun, sun, good for business!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 11, 2013, 12:29:27 AM
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Or a new warship that should be building in portsmouth dockyard and it got lost     on the way no more silly comments from him at  02.45 in the morning. romanjohn

John, what are you going on about?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: romanjohn on July 11, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
 Hi fester it was the way that i was looking at its profile. i build model boats as a hobby and sail them. at the moment iam building HMS FENCER WW2 ESCORT CLASS CARRIER SIX FOOT LONG.looking at Merddin emrys skip from different ways    i could see a ship. but M. E. comment is top class he made the papers.There was a comment that your good self made the rutting season on the orme to friday night at the Wash it use to happen on saturday as well i was there in the days of  no opening on sunday. my wife has told me that if iam    very good we will coming to llandudno to go on some steam trains next year so we will see you    next year on  the pier. she likes spending money.we will all so go see the Skip by sea hope you have good  year         JOHN                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 11, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
Hmm,  Nope, I'm no wiser.  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 13, 2013, 12:35:52 AM
Weather fantastic for the remaining Kiosks on Colwyn Bay Promenade. We stopped tonight and the beach was heaving and the Kiosk there was still going strong at 8.45 pm as was the other two further towards Rhos.
Just goes to show what a little sunshine can do. So many having Ice creams and que ing at that time of the evening. The new beach has made an enormous impact locally and very popular. Looks like there is also  someone keeping an eye on things too  8)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 13, 2013, 07:08:43 PM
We had a look yesterday afternoon, the beach was busy, that is a great feature, Llandudno needs it next!
As for the Skip by the Sea, we saw the sharp edges that Linda Mentioned, no sign of a cafe! but they have food and drink vending machines, better than nothing I suppose! All the windows were open, no air con yet, seems that they are waiting for an internet connection for the 'managed building' ! We actually saw a couple of jet skis!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 13, 2013, 08:17:56 PM
I noticed the vending machine. It's an odd space at the moment (which, I suppose, is what you get at the intersection of two ramps). Maybe they should get someone in with a bit of skill & imagination to sort the interior out.

Meanwhile, when I last visited (Wednesday), one of the conference rooms was being used for a meeting. Apparently it was the council trying it out. Good to know there's enough room for office meetings in a flagship "attraction" by the beach. I mean, everyone must be completely OUT of office space back in town, where offices are usually found.  ;)

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 13, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
I've just remembered, I was told that part of the delay in opening the cafe was that it is built on what was the beach and that is Crown Estate and they have to give permission!?  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on July 13, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
That is correct ME. Permission has now been given so they are looking for someone -also for the shops. I have passed Linda's concerns about the sharp edges and been assured that someone will be checking that.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 13, 2013, 11:11:20 PM
Thanks Viv! It isnt just where ME is pointing to in his photo, the main worry is at foot level by the glass wall . Pieces of sharp metal jutting upwards that should have been shaped more to tuck behind some facing. If a child was jumping around by the Glass wall and slipped would be lethal like a blade. Glad it will be dealt with.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on July 14, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
I just copied and pasted the appropriate bits of your post -without your name!- to the person at the council, so hopefully something will be done. MEs pic came later. These really are things that should have been picked up during the snagging period!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 14, 2013, 11:53:18 PM
Thats good news Viv! I glad someone can look at it and quickly. School hols next week. I have only walked on there twice and saw it straight off with my hubby, why the powers that be didnt spot it completely baffles me too  $good$ $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 15, 2013, 07:00:39 AM
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That is correct ME. Permission has now been given so they are looking for someone -also for the shops. I have passed Linda's concerns about the sharp edges and been assured that someone will be checking that.
They were advertising for a cafe tenant over two years ago, though, as soon as construction started? Would it really take two years to gain permission on what is basically a techicality?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 15, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
There is a further problem at Porth Eirias as locals are not allowed on the upper deck car parking area when any use is being made of the slipway.  It is now regularly cordoned off with silly signs saying,"reserved for Colwyn Bay Water Ski Club" or " reserved for vehicles with trailers" or other such words.
The Harbourmaster says that it is to make everything work smoothly as they can get up to 60 craft launching in a day.  The only thing is that many of the vehicles in the " reserved" parking area do not even have tow hitches, let alone trailers.   It seems the facility paid for by locals is not open to locals.

To ensure things run smoothly the Harbour Meister deploys two of his staff at the site to keep out would be parkers and check that the slipway users have paid their dues.

According to the HM (no, not His Majesty) no one gets any special treatment or are any reservations implemented.

 ££$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 15, 2013, 11:36:12 PM
Spent sometime with my 3 year grandson down at the waterfront today to avoid the weekend crowds. Very pleasant and fairly clean on the beach by the steps, did wonder why a small launch continued to circle from the slipway out around the buoys constantly for an or so. Also a chappy with some surveying equipment continued to monitor at the waters edge. If anyone knows would appreciate enlightenment.

Another big gripe though im afraid, took my grandson on the 'Pirate ship' frame at the end of the waterfront as it was quiet.Looks like fun with little slide and wheel . Just tell me though who was the
designer of that! Nothing to stop kids falling off on one side, and the front or bow where it has a little telescope one step and your 6ft plus down on your head on the floor, no safety guards. Lethal for toddlers. No sign to say its for over 6 or 7sevens. I had to climb up with him and prance over the deck to stop him falling off. square hole with council rail step up, not guard around, child could walk along and straight through onto ground. . Inspite of constant watching he did manage to fall on ladder made from chunky council railing that little hands couldnt get a proper grip on. GRRRRRR! Im afraid another complaint from me and i hate myself for it, as folk are having a nice time at that beach so far. But wish someone would get a grip! if you build something with kids in mind Blinking well do it properly and safe or leave it to the people that can.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 19, 2013, 09:26:08 AM
Porth Eirias Snag List:
http://grumpofthebay.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/porth-erias-snag-list.html (http://grumpofthebay.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/porth-erias-snag-list.html)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 19, 2013, 10:41:50 AM
And those are the good points!  :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 19, 2013, 11:09:03 AM
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And those are the good points!  :twoface:


And so say all of us, doesnt make sense that there isnt a way in for disabled people or pushchairs. we had to climb and swing over the wall  when carrying stuff. Is is nice when you get on it though.  :)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on July 23, 2013, 04:57:15 PM
I find it so sad that so many people pathetically gripe about this construction. I didn't take a good look at it until it was finished, and I have to say I am very impressed
You sad moning oil codgers will never be able to appreciate it because you have lodged your opinions too early and will not be able to stomachs the thought of being wrong.
The restaurant will be open in three months, I certainly will give it a chance, you lot will probably be looking for lipstick on the champagne glasses.
So please, if you have a misserable face, stay away from the place because lots of people are having a great time there.
Face upto the fact that the Victorian Era was over a century ago!!!!!!!!!  Out with old , in with the new

Stuart
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
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I find it so sad that so many people pathetically gripe about this construction. I didn't take a good look at it until it was finished, and I have to say I am very impressed
You sad moning oil codgers will never be able to appreciate it because you have lodged your opinions too early and will not be able to stomachs the thought of being wrong.
The restaurant will be open in three months, I certainly will give it a chance, you lot will probably be looking for lipstick on the champagne glasses.
So please, if you have a misserable face, stay away from the place because lots of people are having a great time there.
Face upto the fact that the Victorian Era was over a century ago!!!!!!!!!  Out with old , in with the new

Stuart

On this Forum everyone is entitled to their opinion, even you!   We are not all old codgers, we are people with many years of experience in various industries and professions, but mainly we have passed through the University of Life and gained our Honours!

I will certainly visit the Restauant, and I will certainly be checking for the cleanliness, the quality of the food and service and that will include the drinking vessels be they galss or pottery.

I think there is one point you should take on board - if it were not for people criticising or complaining about products or services, standards would decline - maybe that is your preference, certainly not mine!

If you enjoy the experience, that's fine, some people set their sights above basic and accordingly may call for improvements.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 23, 2013, 05:26:07 PM
Interesting to have the other point of view, but I'm not old, just retired early! I've had a good look around it several times inside and out and I stand by my totally valid opinions of it. It was an opportunity to build a stunning modern building and it has failed badly in so many ways. Those of us who are local council tax payers are entitled to complain about it just as you are free to praise it. I would be delighted to be proved wrong on it, the beach and sea wall are great, lots of tourists enjoying the sea and sand, shame they cannot yet enjoy a cafe! I never drink champagne by the way, you will have to check for lipstick yourself! Yes I and others love the Victorian architecture but as this was a new build and not replacing a Victorian building then it was a great opportunity to impress us, sadly it has not!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 23, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
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I find it so sad that so many people pathetically gripe about this construction.
Nearly as bad as you pathetically griping about people pathetically griping, eh?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 23, 2013, 05:46:35 PM
 L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 23, 2013, 05:47:48 PM
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I find it so sad that so many people pathetically gripe about this construction.

Does that include Architects?  And a little more courtesy in future wouldn't come amiss. And you could improve your grasp on English.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 23, 2013, 08:48:11 PM
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I find it so sad that so many people pathetically gripe about this construction. [...] You sad moning oil codgers...
Stuart

If only it were merely "gripes from old codgers", Stuart. Sadly it goes well beyond that. There are some serious and quite legitimate public grievances when £5m is spent on a building which appears to be a disastrous bargain-basement version of what was originally planned. Anyone who looks back over this forum thread at all the useful links and references (and valid points made, photographic comparisons, etc) will see why this building has provoked so many negative responses - culminating in (amonst other things) a nomination for the 2013 Carbuncle Cup and a full-page Daily Post article titled "Is this the ugliest building in the UK?"

Those who claim to be impressed by the design seem to be in a small minority, and I wonder how informed they are about the "development" of the design from the glass-clad, ambitious competition-winning entry to the zinc-walled compromise that we've been left with?

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Daily Post, 27/6/2013
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 24, 2013, 12:10:36 AM
I am a moning (moaning?) old codger.   I routinely like to moan about everything.

In fact I have decided to moan about the new building without even seeing it.   

Stuart, I assume that you are the architect?  Or the CCBC planning official who allowed it to be built?

Whichever it is, it would explain an awful lot.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on July 24, 2013, 09:44:32 AM
The Eiffel Tower and The New Wembley Stadium, two examples of structures that were hated on completion but are now seen as treasures.

Modern day architecture has probably always caused mass discussion and resentment.

The rebuild of the pier next door was probably condemned in 1933 and now we want £5 million to restore it????????

Let's face it, it ain't going nowhere, I'm not the designer or a councillor, but I'm more p****d off about our roadside trees being mutilated each year.

AS for the tabloid newspapers?????????????     tomorrow's chip paper!!!!!!!!   oh no, sorry, there are H&S issues about that now     
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 24, 2013, 09:55:11 AM
Personally, I'm not against modern architecture, as long as it's done properly. The HQ Building in Chester is one of my favourites, for example:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7139/7522260302_16670bf591_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/7522260302/)
Chester HQ Building (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/7522260302/#) by [davidrobertsphotography] (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr

The problem with Porth Eirias is that the original design (which was ok) has been watered down due to cost cutting and is now a pale shadow of the intended design. It's just a mess - a building with a confused sense of purpose. Why take up so much of the interior space with offices? Why have a large reception desk - who is being received there? Why is the restaurant not even close to opening two years after it was advertised as being available to lease? Why are all the plants in the landscaping dying already?

When £5m of OUR money gets spent, I think we are entitled to hold the Council to account. The people are the masters, after all.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on July 24, 2013, 10:24:51 AM
Dave, the reception desk will be the serving counter with the kitchen behind it.

It has been illegal to start work on the restaurant and the shops due to permission being applied for because of the crown land issue.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 24, 2013, 10:36:45 AM
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Dave, the reception desk will be the serving counter with the kitchen behind it.

It has been illegal to start work on the restaurant and the shops due to permission being applied for because of the crown land issue.
No, I mean the large circular reception desk in the middle of the building, not the serving hatch in the wall.

I think you're missing the point slightly. Construction started on Porth Eirias over 3 years ago. Why was permission from Crown Estates not applied for back then? The point is that those of us who work in the private sector cannot afford to get away with such incompetence, yet we are all apparently supposed to just shrug our shoulders as yet more of our money gets wasted. How much money has been lost this Summer because of the facilities not being ready?  &shake&

Have you done any work on this building, btw?

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 24, 2013, 11:05:08 AM
One point that gets my goat, is that locals are not allowed to park on the upper level, especially at weeks ends, as two men from CCBC reserve the parking area for cars with trailers.  Yet last Sunday, even with the brilliant weather, it had plenty of spare parking spaces that no one was allowed to use.  Contacted the Harbour Meister but, quite frankly, he is just on the side of the water-sport fraternity!

The previous HM was just the same, only interested in his own sporting interests.     >>>
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on July 24, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
So now it's a bad place because there is no reserved parking for locals only on hot days places,

I know the feeling, it's a struggle to oark in LLandudno today because if all the God Damn Holiday Makers.

No Dave, I didn't work in the project, I first went in a couple of weeks ago and was pleasantly supprised, I'm sure the minor problems will soon be ironed out.

As for  government money being wasted, well I'm afraid it's the way of the world. health and safety gobbles up most of it
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 24, 2013, 12:58:40 PM
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As for  government money being wasted, well I'm afraid it's the way of the world. health and safety gobbles up most of it

Not sure it's quite that simple...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 24, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
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So now it's a bad place because there is no reserved parking for locals only on hot days places,

I know the feeling, it's a struggle to oark in LLandudno today because if all the God Damn Holiday Makers.


You got it wrong Stewbow - I don't want a place reserved for me - I want to see a fair use for the locals and the tourists.  No point reserving spaces if there is no one to take them up.   It should be a case of first come first served with a publically funded amenity.

As for Llandudno. I never have trouble finding a place to park, except at Extravaganza time. 
 $good$

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on July 24, 2013, 02:14:55 PM
Talking about parking, I wonder how long it will be before CCBC realise that people are getting FREE parking there, remember those purple mountain bikes ridden by jobseekers from about 15 years ago, both bikes and riders are probabley still unemployed!!!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 24, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
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The rebuild of the pier next door was probably condemned in 1933 and now we want £5 million to restore it????????

Let's face it, it ain't going nowhere... 

It's strange that the few who claim to be impressed by Porth Eirias also seem to be against spending money on the pier. (The Daily Post was only able to find one person who liked Porth Eirias, and that person made the exact same argument as Stuart has regarding the pier).

The "modern architecture" argument is a red herring. Porth Eirias is bad design - not because it's "modern", but because it's severely compromised. Here's why: http://colwynbay.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/waterfront-project/ (http://colwynbay.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/waterfront-project/)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Blongb on July 24, 2013, 05:45:20 PM
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I'm more p****d off about our roadside trees being mutilated each year.

I well recall the furore over the Pollarding of the trees on Brompton Avenue Stuart. All the uninformed thought they were ruined. Take a drive down there now and see how beautiful they are now. Unfortunately in a years time the Carbuncle on the Prom will still be a Carbuncle.  :o   
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 08, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
Thought I'd post a brief update. Porth Eirias was closed yesterday morning when I visited. No sign of any progress on the cafe. A section of perspex-type material was missing from one of the blue 'lines' in the surface of one of the ramps (I'm not sure of the purpose of these blue lines. Merely decorative? Looks a bit of a mess). On the plus side, the vegetation is looking a lot healthier than when I last visited.

In the Carbuncle Cup competition, a couple of the most recent entries only received one or two nominations, and several commenters have written that they're actually OK buildings, not really carbuncles. This contrasts with Porth Eirias, which received several separate nominations (around 10 I've been told) and a generally very negative verdict in the comments section (including from architect-types).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 08, 2013, 05:17:50 PM
The last time I visited, I noticed that several sections of the 'blue lines' appeared to have warped upwards and were something of a trip hazard. I also noticed that many of the wooden 'fence panels' were warping and splitting too.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on August 09, 2013, 08:48:13 PM
 

From The Pioneer
Next phase of Colwyn Bay sea defences will be underway next month
THE next phase of ambitious work to Colwyn Bay’s sea defences get underway this month. Heavy machinery will be used to test the ground conditions along the seafront at Colwyn Bay, in preparation for the next part of the Waterfront
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on August 09, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
Sorry, full aticle here.
It's going to be amazing, Mr Cossey says so, but then again they said that about the skip didn't they.
 _))*

THE next phase of ambitious work to Colwyn Bay’s sea defences get underway this month.

Heavy machinery will be used to test the ground conditions along the seafront at Colwyn Bay, in preparation for the next part of the Waterfront Project which will see the promenade raised by one metre.

Large piling rigs will be used to dig boreholes on the beach and the promenade between Porth Eirias and the Victoria Pier, with trial pits also being dug with an excavator.

The work, which will start next week, will take two to three weeks to complete with work limited to weekdays between 8am and 6pm.

Cllr Mike Priestley, Cabinet Member for Environment, Roads and Facilities said: “These tests are an essential part of our preparation for the next stage of the Waterfront Project, but we appreciate that the work is being carried out during the holiday period so we’ll do all we can to minimise disruption.”

Cllr Brian Cossey, for Colwyn Ward, said: “I just hope people will be patient and see that the end result will be worth it. You only need to see how people have taken to the new beach to see how important this is.”

Designs are also being drafted for an improved link between the beach and the town centre and will go on display this autumn.

Cllr Cossey added regeneration work in Colwyn Bay was all the more important in the light of a recent report by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), highlighting economic deprivation in many seaside towns.

He added: “In time, it will be finished, and we’ll have an amazing promenade to be proud of.”
 :-}}}

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 10, 2013, 11:46:01 AM
Now I can pass comment as I have actually been in the place. Inside,-One man at the desk, spoke to me, but returned to fiddle with his phone. Outside,-One man , looked like a traffic warden, on the car park where only trailers allowed.

The wood where the Bistro is to be, has it actually been reclaimed from a fire, or is this just an effect ? ???
The rest of the place just looks deserted, a machine for drinks and a fridge with ice cream in. Clean, but eerily empty
Outside it is scruffy and as Dave remarked the blue lines are lifting.
The loos were open and clean, I decided to visit purely for research purposes, no criticism there ! :o
The only other thing which decidedly bothered me, was when I went to look over the wall to the beach, near the children's play area, the depth of the drop to the beach was very off putting. An adventurous child could be over there in seconds with disastrous consequences.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 10, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
Called by again today, and as is usual, parking spaces reserved but more empty spaces than those being used.   Is this elephantine joke for the people of the area or some elite force that descends on the town once in a while?

Whoever is administering the place, probably the Harbour Meister, jack boots and all, needs a firm kick in the pants!   WWW WWW WWW

As do all the Councillors who allow it happen.   :rage:

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 10, 2013, 05:55:42 PM
I'm surprised that there is any litter left on the beach when there is a HUGE SKIP so close!   WWW
How much does it cost to run this place and what income (if any) does it generate?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on August 10, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
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I'm surprised that there is any litter left on the beach when there is a HUGE SKIP so close!   WWW
How much does it cost to run this place and what income (if any) does it generate?

 _))* So right there ME!  had a walk around earlier this evening ,now one side of the waterfront is closed off, only the step side was open
dont know why! There doesnt seem to be any way at the moment of generating income.
The beach is so popular though,why couldnt this work on these bore holes have been left until the end of the school hols. It doesnt make sense, when the kids are back at school in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 11, 2013, 07:56:00 AM
I honestly can't see that the building will ever cover its costs, let alone make a profit.

Oddly, that is the same argument that some people use who are in favour of the Porth Eirias building, but against the Pier being restored. It's a valid argument, certainly, but applies equally to both structures.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 12, 2013, 11:33:28 AM
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I honestly can't see that the building will ever cover its costs, let alone make a profit.

Oddly, that is the same argument that some people use who are in favour of the Porth Eirias building, but against the Pier being restored. It's a valid argument, certainly, but applies equally to both structures.

Exactly. There are some necessities - eg sea defenses, safety of pier structure (whether it's repaired or demolished), removal of litter, etc. All fairly costly, but necessary. And then there are the non-essentials, such as providing facilities for jet-skiers or putting an arts centre on the pier. You'd expect cost arguments for both of those to be consistent. But those who support Porth Eirias often conflate it with the sea defenses, as if the whole thing is a necessary cost.

Another thing is construction profits. New constructions tend to be far more profitable (for contractors & investors) than renovation work. This is one of the reasons why many people object to PFI schemes for hospitals etc - as you tend to get more "new builds" than perfectly feasible (and less costly) renovations of existing hospitals. It's why contruction firms and investors lobby hard for new buildings rather than renovations. They've even been known to lobby councils.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 12, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
If only it looked as good as this in real life!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 13, 2013, 08:09:52 AM
 I saw this lot and I first thought a class of infants had been commissioned to fill the place with their first attempts at Art!   Sort of keeps up the general tone of the development.   ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Trojan on August 13, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
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I saw this lot and I first thought a class of infants had been commissioned to fill the place with their first attempts at Art!   Sort of keeps up the general tone of the development.   ???

There's only two people on the beach - excellent foresight there.

What are the wind socks for? Is the complex getting a helipad?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 13, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
And here's some digital art of the original design, which isn't being exhibited.  ;)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/mt8hvb.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2e0lh8h.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Trojan on August 14, 2013, 05:33:40 AM
Looks like the place is haunted.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 14, 2013, 05:19:27 PM
Those digital simulations show marked changes to the interior. The original has curved glass walls, no exposed ducts/wiring on the ceiling, pleasingly shaped cafe/bistro hatches (rather than rectangular holes in cheap-looking wood painted gloss-black)...

(http://i40.tinypic.com/dpa2p5.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/v48cax.jpg)

The pier-facing ramp originally had one of those odd blue lines, rather than zig-zagging and plant-beds:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2vj3mro.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 14, 2013, 08:45:46 PM
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Looks like the place is haunted.  :laugh:

HA HA.... very good....  L0L L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 20, 2013, 06:34:11 AM
So sad to see this article in the Telegraph. fame for all the wrong reasons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10252696/Britains-ugliest-new-buildings-named.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10252696/Britains-ugliest-new-buildings-named.html)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 20, 2013, 06:51:52 AM
It's sad that it was built looking like it does, it was a great opportunity to built something amazing, sadly that opportunity was totally wasted!  &shake&  Perhaps I'll have another look later, have a coffee in the cafe.....oh hang on a minute, no cafe yet!  :(
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 20, 2013, 08:23:11 AM
I was given a very posh, glossy brochure he other day by a friend. It had been issued by the council and must have cost a bomb.
Porth Erias-- Constructing the Colwyn Bay Waterfront Project!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 20, 2013, 08:26:48 AM
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Those digital simulations show marked changes to the interior. The original has curved glass walls, no exposed ducts/wiring on the ceiling, pleasingly shaped cafe/bistro hatches (rather than rectangular holes in cheap-looking wood painted gloss-black)...
An interesting contrast. The finished design looks a complete mess when compared to the smooth curves of the intended original design.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 20, 2013, 08:36:58 AM
In the photo in the Telegraph article it doesn't look that bad but this one shows it in its full glory, sorry to say.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/buildings/carbuncle-cup/carbuncle-cup-2013-shortlist-revealed/5059169.article (http://www.bdonline.co.uk/buildings/carbuncle-cup/carbuncle-cup-2013-shortlist-revealed/5059169.article)


Sorry, that link didn't work. I just googled Carbuncle Cup and then clicked on news to get it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 20, 2013, 03:23:24 PM
Ah, so it's now been included in a shortlist of *SIX*. So even if it doesn't win, it's been judged as one of the six ugliest UK buildings of 2013. The sad thing, for me, is *where* it's been built. I wouldn't have cared if it was in a business park, shopping centre, industrial estate, etc. But on a promenade!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on August 20, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
what.s all the fuss about think of all the people coming to see the ugliest building in Britain, what a crowd puller some folk are never happy
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 20, 2013, 10:11:10 PM
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Ah, so it's now been included in a shortlist of *SIX*. So even if it doesn't win, it's been judged as one of the six ugliest UK buildings of 2013. The sad thing, for me, is *where* it's been built. I wouldn't have cared if it was in a business park, shopping centre, industrial estate, etc. But on a promenade!  &shake&

Given the recession and the downturn in the construction sector, I am surprised that there were six major buildings completed in recent years.  Maybe the CB waterfront thingy will be in the TOP 6 as well!  :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 21, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
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what.s all the fuss about think of all the people coming to see the ugliest building in Britain, what a crowd puller some folk are never happy

You're right - if it attracts a lot of people, then that's one important measure of success. Another measure is attractiveness (which shouldn't be hard to achieve on a £5 million budget), but perhaps there's too much focus on that.
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Post by: BMD on August 21, 2013, 11:57:12 AM
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Given the recession and the downturn in the construction sector, I am surprised that there were six major buildings completed in recent years.  Maybe the CB waterfront thingy will be in the TOP 6 as well!  :D

 :laugh: I'm sure it'll be in the top 6 UK waterfront sports facilities opened in 2013. And it'll probably get a 'good' award or two.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 22, 2013, 08:16:40 PM
They did have at least one money making venture going at the centre today!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 22, 2013, 08:29:57 PM
We had a good look around today and in parts it looked quite good especially in the sunshine.
We were told that the permission from the Crown was sorted in the first half of July but the" famous Welsh chef" that has taken on the lease does not think it worth starting to build the kitchen this far in to the season. The first minister is coming to have a meeting there on September 9th.
Still no electricity in the kitchen or retail area.
It would have been fantastic to be able to sit and have a drink on the roof today or even in the Bistro for that matter.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 22, 2013, 08:31:10 PM
Re the pic of the deck chairs, I like the pictures of a deck chair on the advert itself, in case you didn't know what one is!  L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 22, 2013, 08:38:34 PM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/showbiz/loving-simple-life---chef-1848459 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/showbiz/loving-simple-life---chef-1848459)

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Post by: stewbow on August 22, 2013, 09:22:23 PM
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We had a good look around today and in parts it looked quite good especially in the sunshine.
We were told that the permission from the Crown was sorted in the first half of July but the" famous Welsh chef" that has taken on the lease does not think it worth starting to build the kitchen this far in to the season. The first minister is coming to have a meeting there on September 9th.
Still no electricity in the kitchen or retail area.
It would have been fantastic to be able to sit and have a drink on the roof today or even in the Bistro for that matter.
some really good pictures there, showing how impressive the place really is, not the any of the old codgers (who made up their minds long ago) will ever admit it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on August 23, 2013, 12:02:19 AM
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/showbiz/loving-simple-life---chef-1848459 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/showbiz/loving-simple-life---chef-1848459)

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 ?{}? Hmmm! I think we need a lot of this to read all that :) $cofffee$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on August 23, 2013, 12:06:31 AM
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We had a good look around today and in parts it looked quite good especially in the sunshine.
We were told that the permission from the Crown was sorted in the first half of July but the" famous Welsh chef" that has taken on the lease does not think it worth starting to build the kitchen this far in to the season. The first minister is coming to have a meeting there on September 9th.
Still no electricity in the kitchen or retail area.
It would have been fantastic to be able to sit and have a drink on the roof today or even in the Bistro for that matter.

Whow yes Hollins it will be a lovely spot when (hopefully) the cafe opens there, and as you point out what a great place on the top to have a few tables. Nice photos!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 23, 2013, 05:08:40 PM
Sadly I don't think there will be a way of serving on the roof as there is no direct access unless they put a dumb waiter in from the kitchen.
A few more photos taken yesterday.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 23, 2013, 05:19:04 PM
Here's a new BBC piece on the Carbuncle Cup (with a photo of Porth Eirias):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23765580 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23765580)

I confess that I really like the Redcar Beacon (also shown). I can see why people think it's ugly, but at least it seems to be an ambitious, bold design - rather than a bland compromise. Maybe I'm not such a grumpy old codger after all.  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 23, 2013, 05:22:05 PM
Ha! I think the Redcar one is hideous.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on August 23, 2013, 07:40:42 PM
On the top picture, I remember watching them slot some of those curved sections into place and thinking, well at least they have put drain holes in them to let the water out.
But, it looks as if the holes are at least 3 inches above the path so will the path be under water then?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
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On the top picture, I remember watching them slot some of those curved sections into place and thinking, well at least they have put drain holes in them to let the water out.
But, it looks as if the holes are at least 3 inches above the path so will the path be under water then?
Well spotted! If you look closely at the photo, you'll see a thin black strip set into the floor. This is a linear drain that deals with normal rainfall. The concrete outlets are for when the sea comes over and overwhelms the linear drain.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: 1_rob_1 on August 23, 2013, 09:44:39 PM
Your pics are fantastic Hollins. Personally, I think "the skip" looks good - yes it is a 'modern' structure, but there is also nothing else much on the waterfront/prom for it to clash with apart from the pier, so in my opinion it does not look out of place. (the pier is in drastic need of refurbishment or demolition - NOW not next season!!) 
- - - Before "the skip" was built, the waterfront of Colwyn Bay was like a blank canvas & many different ideas would have worked. "the skip" has now started to paint the canvas for the new Colwyn Bay so this leaves the area open to more designs of this type of structure.
I visited in July this year & it is the pier which is the eyesore, not "the skip"

Commercially it may not warrant all the money spent on it, but if other companies invest in Colwyn Bay waterfront ventures & build the same type of innovative structures, then it could become one of the best modern holiday resorts in the UK.

The only way this can work though is through MAJOR advertising.

The only person that will agree with me about all this is Stewpot.  $good$

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 24, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Many thanks for the compliments for this set of photos but I have a bit of a confession. I forgot the "wonder" camera that day and had to use a phone that I had received free with a computer I bought.
Most of the photos I took had a finger across the corner of the picture and had to be deleted! I had never taken a photo with a phone before and wasn't quite aware of where the lens was. Lesson learned, not very technical.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 24, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
Yesterday's Express ran the article, whoever took the pic that they printed made the building look more like a skip than ever !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 24, 2013, 04:07:43 PM
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Yesterday's Express ran the article, whoever took the pic that they printed made the building look more like a skip than ever !

Yes, it's had a lot of coverage. As well as the BBC and Daily Express, the Guardian, Telegraph, Daily Mail and even CNN have run stories about the Carbuncle Cup, mentioning (and including photo of) Porth Eirias.

The Daily Mail & Guardian used one of my photos (see below) - which shows off its skip-like qualities:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2vv4yfm.jpg)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401328/Britains-ugliest-newbuilds-revealed-The-monstrous-carbuncles-line-win-architectures-unwanted-prize.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401328/Britains-ugliest-newbuilds-revealed-The-monstrous-carbuncles-line-win-architectures-unwanted-prize.html)
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2013/aug/20/carbuncle-shortlist-worst-building-of-year-architecture (http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2013/aug/20/carbuncle-shortlist-worst-building-of-year-architecture)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10252696/Britains-ugliest-new-buildings-named.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10252696/Britains-ugliest-new-buildings-named.html)
http://travel.cnn.com/are-these-ugliest-buildings-britain-344726 (http://travel.cnn.com/are-these-ugliest-buildings-britain-344726)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 24, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
I was having nose around Porth Eirias today, I see vandals have smashed one of the windows in the 'cafe' area already and it is boarded up.  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
How long before this is in the eyesore thread?  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on August 26, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
The whole of Colwyn Bay seafront plus Rhos beach were absolutely packed today. The beaches looked amazing when the tide was in ,full of people swimming and boating and ski ing, great to see!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Paulakelsall on August 26, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
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I was having nose around Porth Eirias today, I see vandals have smashed one of the windows in the 'cafe' area already and it is boarded up.  &shake&

Hello. I understand a delivery vehicle allegedly caused the damage not vandals.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2013, 10:05:52 PM
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I was having nose around Porth Eirias today, I see vandals have smashed one of the windows in the 'cafe' area already and it is boarded up.  &shake&

Hello. I understand a delivery vehicle allegedly caused the damage not vandals.
Thing is, it's in an area where no vehicles can access? It's on the seaward walkway side, not the access road side.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on August 27, 2013, 09:53:30 AM
Another wonderful day at one of North Wales's Major attractions :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 27, 2013, 10:20:01 AM
I take it you mean the Beach, rather than the Watersports Centre?  The Beach is a fantastic asset to the town. Just a shame that we don't have a building alongside it that, you know, actually does something? Maybe provide some employment, attractions for visitors, generate some tax revenues...I know, it's just wishful thinking on my part.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 27, 2013, 10:35:33 AM
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Just a shame that we don't have a building alongside it that, you know, actually does something? Maybe provide some employment, attractions for visitors, generate some tax revenues...I know, it's just wishful thinking on my part.  :laugh:

They have allowed a mobile catering (sic) van to spoil the general view so that one can, at least, get a cuppa!   :D

We must be grateful for small mercies!  Gosh, I'm being cynical again!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 27, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
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I take it you mean the Beach, rather than the Watersports Centre?  The Beach is a fantastic asset to the town. Just a shame that we don't have a building alongside it that, you know, actually does something? Maybe provide some employment, attractions for visitors, generate some tax revenues...I know, it's just wishful thinking on my part.  :laugh:

My thoughts exactly!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on August 27, 2013, 02:32:45 PM
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I was having nose around Porth Eirias today, I see vandals have smashed one of the windows in the 'cafe' area already and it is boarded up.  &shake&

Hello. I understand a delivery vehicle allegedly caused the damage not vandals.
Thing is, it's in an area where no vehicles can access? It's on the seaward walkway side, not the access road side.

Hit and run by a mobility scooter?  D)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 27, 2013, 04:27:21 PM
It's possible!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 27, 2013, 05:02:44 PM
More than !!
My Oh was sitting on a bench in town when an elderly chap next to him suddenly said. 'Draw your feet in quick--here come the red arrows.' Sure enough along came 3 mobility scooters in a line at rapid speed !! :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 27, 2013, 05:06:01 PM
I've seen the watersports folk hurriedly dragging canoes & other large items around the front (bumping into to playground apparatus on one occasion) - to get to the beach side. Not difficult to see collisions with the glass section.

And I can easily see mobility scooters doing it. I don't think the original plans for various "zones" take account of the fact that people just go where they please - shortest/fastest route possible.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 27, 2013, 05:25:54 PM
That said, I wouldn't want to see the other extreme of too much caution (barriers/fences & 'no entry' signs).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Paulakelsall on August 27, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
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I was having nose around Porth Eirias today, I see vandals have smashed one of the windows in the 'cafe' area already and it is boarded up.  &shake&

Hello. I understand a delivery vehicle allegedly caused the damage not vandals.
Thing is, it's in an area where no vehicles can access? It's on the seaward walkway side, not the access road side.

My first thought was also that it had been vandalised but when I asked what had happened was told a delivery vehicle had reversed into the building. I have only visited Porth Eirias the once so cannot quite remember the external layout but looking at the photos above it would appear it is wide enough for a vehicle to drive (unofficially?) down the ‘café’ side. I don’t know if there are any physical obstacles such as bollards preventing access though.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 27, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
The sensible response from the council to the Carbuncle Cup business would be to acknowledge that many people (not just "grumpy" locals) think Porth Eirias is an eyesore. If that was admitted, maybe something positive could be done about it.

Eg: one advantage of large, plain, windowless areas (eg the zinc-clad skip section) is that they're like a blank canvas suitable for large-scale artwork (eg murals) and also as a backdrop for sculptures and other improvements.

A few ideas I knocked up - tongue-in-cheek - this morning. The giant-woman sculpture is from Alster Lake, Germany...

(http://i39.tinypic.com/s4xjzo.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/eu3ouc.jpg)

The advantage to the council of commissioning a sculpture of a giant reclining woman is that the building would become known as "The Tub" - an improvement (from their persepctive) on "The Skip".  :laugh:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/npj236.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 27, 2013, 09:00:47 PM
The woman in hot tub idea is fantastic, BMD!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 27, 2013, 09:10:57 PM
The lady in the tub looks great! Like the seagulls too!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 27, 2013, 09:20:35 PM
Agree, the woman in the hot tub is brilliant! Not sure about the knobbly knees though.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 28, 2013, 07:01:33 PM
Here's the original at Alster Lake in Hamburg. It's actually known as the "giant mermaid", although she's got prominent knees for a mermaid!

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2gy0io1.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 29, 2013, 11:41:36 PM
The University College London building has been awarded the Carbuncle Cup winner for 2013.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/carbuncle-cup-winner-2013-a-triumph-for-the-dark-side/5059745.article (http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/carbuncle-cup-winner-2013-a-triumph-for-the-dark-side/5059745.article)

The judges said that "all six nominations richly deserved their shortlisting", and on Porth Eirias, they have this to say:

"It might be surmised [...] that waterfront locations are particularly susceptible to outbursts of the carbuncular, and in the Porth Eirias Watersports Centre at Colwyn Bay in Wales we are presented with yet another instance. Porth Eirias is a particularly unfortunate case as the original competition-winning scheme by K2 Architects had much to recommend it. The built design still houses the programme beneath a public terrace accessed by a ramp, but there the similarities end.

"The curvaceous plan has been rendered clunky while sea-oriented glazing has given way to zinc, and stonework to a curious variety of clapboard that last enjoyed popularity during the settlement of the American frontier. What was to have been a seamless transition from esplanade to roof is now a slalom of DDA-compliant ramps."


Quite. And these are people who know what they're talking about - not cantankerous local codgers like myself.  ;)
I hope the council and the people who gave it planning permission take note.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 30, 2013, 12:54:30 AM
What a terrible indictment, not to mention a waste of money which will never be available again.
What an embarrassing monument to mismanagement.
All concerned ought to be ashamed of themselves.    &shake& &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 30, 2013, 06:47:12 AM
I'm amazed it didn't win! How bad must the winner be?  It would be interesting to know exactly who was responsible for turning a good design into the Skip by the Sea!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 30, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
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It would be interesting to know exactly who was responsible for turning a good design into the Skip by the Sea!

I was thinking of having a 'naming and shaming' section in here, although we'd have to be 100% certain who had done what before doing anything like it. It's not the only thing, either; I would like to know exactly whose responsibility it had been to ensure the licence for the landing stage work was up-to-date.  Because of that fiasco, people's holidays were effectively spoilt, and some might well have booked accommodation specifically to visit the Waverley.

In the case of  Porth Eirias I'm pretty certain that it will turn out to have been a committee. But this, in fact, is precisely how local government protects itself. An individual will ensure that the minutes will reflect 'a consensus', so no one person can then be found accountable. Now, I accept this goes on in business as well, but the fact is that eventually the business has to make money, so the accountability arrives in the form of the accountants.

The Pier, however, is a different matter. There will have been someone - an individual - whose responsibility it will have been to ensure the permit was valid and they need to be identified. The only alternative is that CCBC are so utterly clueless that they weren't even aware that the need existed. Even so, whichever individual in CCBC was the de facto project manager for the pier ought to be identified. I'm not asking for the stocks or public flogging but the only recourse the tax payer has to rectify these situations is through the ballot box, and even then the council officers have made self-protection into an art form.

Here's an interesting question: did the council officers produce a project plan for the pier and, crucially, did they list the criteria for failure? I'm betting the answer to both questions is 'no'.  In which case, perhaps a letter to the CE should be considered. Perhaps it's time officers in local government face competency hearings.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Jack on August 30, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
Via Daily Post: Porth Eirias - Still empty 100 days after opening party:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/porth-eirias-still-empty-100-5814746 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/porth-eirias-still-empty-100-5814746)


Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 30, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
“The Council has agreed to lease the watersports activities to Colwyn Bay Watersports, and negotiations are underway with the preferred operator for the bistro/café facility."

However long do these negotiations go on for? To have missed this great summer is unforgivable!

I get the feeling that they had some money, wondered what to spend it on so built The Skip, now they are wondering what on earth to do with it?  Was a need for this building identified in the first place? Was there a business plan in place for it? What compels water sports users to use it? Will they pay to use it?


Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 30, 2013, 09:23:23 AM
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The Pier, however, is a different matter. There will have been someone - an individual - whose responsibility it will have been to ensure the permit was valid and they need to be identified.

Here's an interesting question: did the council officers produce a project plan for the pier and, crucially, did they list the criteria for failure? I'm betting the answer to both questions is 'no'.  In which case, perhaps a letter to the CE should be considered. Perhaps it's time officers in local government face competency hearings.

The ultimate responsibility must rest with Iwan Davies, the CEO, who should do the honourable thing and fall on his Sword!

This is not the only instance that things have failed to be done, and in some cases where he has been made aware of the problem etc.   If you write a letter he will just pass it to the Complaints Department, who will send you a booklet advising you of yor rights, and do little else!  If you don't believe me, try it and see.

Lobbying your Town and County Councillors will not achieve any better result.    :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: stewbow on August 30, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
I've just heard of a possible application to open the place as a Night Club.

I personally think that the idea would get lots of support, the centre desk would make a perfect DJ Booth, no residents close by to annoy with noise!!

Since the closure of The Boulevard, evening revelers have been crying out for a new "open till 3am" venue.

This would provide local employment and taxable income to aid the government.

I'd have thought that an under 65 age freshhold would be in place, and defiantly no bingo, whist or sequence dancing &shake&

I look forward to developments
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 30, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
Bridge?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 30, 2013, 07:45:27 PM
Chess?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 30, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
Draughts?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 30, 2013, 07:47:11 PM
Tiddlywinks?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 30, 2013, 08:17:28 PM
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I've just heard of a possible application to open the place as a Night Club.

I'd have thought that an under 65 age freshhold would be in place, and defiantly no bingo, whist or sequence dancing &shake&


Oh Yeh?     You just try and keep us older youngsters out -  ageism at its worst!     :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on August 30, 2013, 09:16:02 PM
I dont know about a night club when they have a kids play area ,imagine the possible mess i.e. folk vomiting and possible recreational drug waste. If they allow a club  the the council need to move the play area.
Also no one has been down there to repair those lethal metal borders, they have been like that for weeks, I hope the Council has plenty of cash to pay out if anyone has a serious accident.
On the other hand although im not at 65 i would gladly gatecrash with Yorkie and anyone else willing to try the dancefloor  <:<:<:< +}}{--
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on August 30, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
it.s a case of " the skip is a great success so it was my idea",or" the skip is a disaster so it was the forum members who thought it up".
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 31, 2013, 12:18:31 AM
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It would be interesting to know exactly who was responsible for turning a good design into the Skip by the Sea!

I was thinking of having a 'naming and shaming' section in here, although we'd have to be 100% certain who had done what before doing anything like it. It's not the only thing, either; I would like to know exactly whose responsibility it had been to ensure the licence for the landing stage work was up-to-date.  Because of that fiasco, people's holidays were effectively spoilt, and some might well have booked accommodation specifically to visit the Waverley.

In the case of  Porth Eirias I'm pretty certain that it will turn out to have been a committee. But this, in fact, is precisely how local government protects itself. An individual will ensure that the minutes will reflect 'a consensus', so no one person can then be found accountable. Now, I accept this goes on in business as well, but the fact is that eventually the business has to make money, so the accountability arrives in the form of the accountants.

The Pier, however, is a different matter. There will have been someone - an individual - whose responsibility it will have been to ensure the permit was valid and they need to be identified. The only alternative is that CCBC are so utterly clueless that they weren't even aware that the need existed. Even so, whichever individual in CCBC was the de facto project manager for the pier ought to be identified. I'm not asking for the stocks or public flogging but the only recourse the tax payer has to rectify these situations is through the ballot box, and even then the council officers have made self-protection into an art form.

Here's an interesting question: did the council officers produce a project plan for the pier and, crucially, did they list the criteria for failure? I'm betting the answer to both questions is 'no'.  In which case, perhaps a letter to the CE should be considered. Perhaps it's time officers in local government face competency hearings.

Not the most appropriate place to post this, but it follows naturally from Ian's post.  (Feel free to move it, Mods)

Today, I was visited by a large group of regular customers.  They were 18 strong in total, from two church groups.
They were here for one week, to stay in 2 hotels, and the highlight of their visit was a trip on The Waverley next Tuesday.
The excitement they felt was palpable.
Then, I dropped the bombshell that the the Waverley sailing was cancelled.  They had no idea, no refund, no communication... nothing.  These good people were visibly upset, shaken and disappointed.

Not only has the renovation been mismanaged, but so has the process of selling/refunding tickets.

It has been BLATANTLY OBVIOUS for a long time that this event would not come to pass, it was entirely CYNICAL to allow good people to continue to look forward to it and make plans as if it would go ahead.   A disgrace and a fiasco.  &shake& &shake&






Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on September 01, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
Wow -the Night club idea is brilliant! All they would have to do is gate the two sides on the prom level and also access to the upper deck and re-open them in the mornings -otherwise revellers would be trying to balance along the sea walls!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on September 01, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
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I've just heard of a possible application to open the place as a Night Club.

I personally think that the idea would get lots of support, the centre desk would make a perfect DJ Booth, no residents close by to annoy with noise!!

Since the closure of The Boulevard, evening revelers have been crying out for a new "open till 3am" venue.

This would provide local employment and taxable income to aid the government.

I'd have thought that an under 65 age freshhold would be in place, and defiantly no bingo, whist or sequence dancing &shake&

I look forward to developments

I think that's a brilliant idea and just what is needed here for the younger ones! They could gate off the sea sides not just to keep them off the play area, but also stop them trying to walk along the sea walls! They would probably also have to gate off the accesses to the upper deck -then all would be fine! There is nowhere for 18+ people to go that is lively and entertaining  - a nice wine bar etc with music would be great.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on September 01, 2013, 09:27:15 PM
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people enjoying themselves, but any nightclub in another area would take the strain from the areas near Upper Mostyn Street.
Since the closure of the two clubs at the Craig-y-Don end the night noise and parking of cars with 50 doors ( you know just what I mean) has increased dramatically at the other end of town. A friend is looking so ragged from lack of sleep I feel sorry for her.
Most nights it settles down after about 2.15am-- by then I am downstairs with a cup of coffee and a game of Scrabble.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 01, 2013, 11:07:16 PM
Nem, you should play me at online Scrabble... 'Words with Friends' it is called,  a free app for your phone.

I love it, and I am looking for more opponents, (or any opponents for that matter)  :roll:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on September 02, 2013, 08:50:25 AM
Thanks for the offer Fest., but my phone is from the dark ages ! I have an ancient Nintendo which I play Scrabble on with a virtual opponant called Clovis !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on September 02, 2013, 10:29:35 AM
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Nem, you should play me at online Scrabble... 'Words with Friends' it is called,  a free app for your phone.

I love it, and I am looking for more opponents, (or any opponents for that matter)  :roll:


I got that app hoping there would be a one player mode, being a Billy-no-mates, but the first thing it wanted me to do was login via Facebook, a site I have no interest in. I found an option to start with just an e-mail but once logged in there was still no one player mode (I guess the clue was in the title. lol) so I've never played it. Is it any good?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 02, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
I have a few regular opponents that I play with but I generally use my iPad as the phone screen   is a bit small.   I have space for another if you fancy your chances Fester!    ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 02, 2013, 11:09:44 AM
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I have space for another if you fancy your chances Fester!    ;D
A true BATTLE OF THE GIANTS.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 02, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
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A true BATTLE OF THE GIANTS.

...but only a seven point word....
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 02, 2013, 02:21:16 PM
I'll start with
MUZJIKS  for 128 points with the first move, just to give Fest a chance!   ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 02, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
With all the empty space + conference rooms at Porth Eirias, perhaps it be could be used as HQ for the Victoria Pier restoration project (ie VPPG & Shore Thing, etc). They could display plans & attract public attention there.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on September 02, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
I was told there was a craft fair booked in but I can't remember when.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 02, 2013, 04:21:12 PM
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With all the empty space + conference rooms at Porth Eirias, perhaps it be could be used as HQ for the Victoria Pier restoration project (ie VPPG & Shore Thing, etc). They could display plans & attract public attention there.
That's a great idea!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 02, 2013, 06:57:36 PM
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I was told there was a craft fair booked in but I can't remember when.

Now, is that the boat type craft, or the scissors and card type craft?    The former would certainly be more in keeping with the places intended purpose!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 02, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
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Nem, you should play me at online Scrabble... 'Words with Friends' it is called,  a free app for your phone.

I love it, and I am looking for more opponents, (or any opponents for that matter)  :roll:


I got that app hoping there would be a one player mode, being a Billy-no-mates, but the first thing it wanted me to do was login via Facebook, a site I have no interest in. I found an option to start with just an e-mail but once logged in there was still no one player mode (I guess the clue was in the title. lol) so I've never played it. Is it any good?

SDQ, Yorkie.... yes its GREAT, but far too many opponents abandon their games half way through.  I like to play to the bitter end.  Ready when you are!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on September 03, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
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...far too many opponents abandon their games half way through.  I like to play to the bitter end. 



Hmm... Is that because you're thrashing them though?  ;)
I'll try and work out how to get started and find out I guess.  :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 04, 2013, 12:06:39 AM
No SDQ, random opponents often lose interest even when they are winning!

You can instigate a game against me by selecting my email address, or simply by asking to play against 'Festario'
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 04, 2013, 11:39:24 AM
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You can instigate a game against me by selecting my email address, or simply by asking to play against 'Festario'

Your move Sir!  :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 04, 2013, 08:19:14 PM
SDQ and Yorkie..... well done men! , but please forgive me if I seem to disappear for long periods of the day, I do get the occasional customer and have to do a modicum of work every now and again.   Plus I have no 3G signal at home.  :(
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on September 04, 2013, 10:56:36 PM
what on earth has scrabble got to do with the Colwyn Bay waterfront hub please - has someone invented a high scoring word for it?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 04, 2013, 11:35:15 PM
Well Viv,  seeing as bugga-all else is happening within that edifice, we might as well pass the time with a game of Scrabble!

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 05, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
In the Colwyn Bay Pier thread, I've posted a link to a newspaper article about a new council grant for the development phase of pier.

Councillors voted 11 to five in support of the grant application, and some of the questions asked at the council meeting seem valid enough, I suppose. But, again, I'm struck with the difference in approach between the pier and Porth Eirias. With the pier, it seems there's resistance from council members at every step. Yet with Porth Eirias, it appears to be: money no object, no resistance, no awkward questions asked (and it's now clear that a lot things weren't thought out properly, if at all).

Here's the link again, to save you going to the other thread: http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/126162/bay-town-council-votes-to-support-pier-with-20-000-grant.aspx (http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/126162/bay-town-council-votes-to-support-pier-with-20-000-grant.aspx)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 05, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
As I said earlier,

'I get the feeling that they had some money, wondered what to spend it on so built The Skip, now they are wondering what on earth to do with it?  Was a need for this building identified in the first place? Was there a business plan in place for it? What compels water sports users to use it? Will they pay to use it? '
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 05, 2013, 01:32:11 PM
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As I said earlier,

'I get the feeling that they had some money, wondered what to spend it on so built The Skip, now they are wondering what on earth to do with it?  Was a need for this building identified in the first place? Was there a business plan in place for it? What compels water sports users to use it? Will they pay to use it? '

In question order

1. Indeed they are!
2. No!
3. No!
4. It's Free!
5. No!

Please address further queries to CCBC or the Harbour Master's Department.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on September 06, 2013, 07:49:15 PM
Disappointing news....Porth Eirias has failed to win the Carbuncle Cup.  The award has gone to a block of student accommodation in London.  Typical really, London always gets everything while the North gets nowt  :(.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Trojan on September 07, 2013, 04:59:04 AM
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Disappointing news....Porth Eirias has failed to win the Carbuncle Cup.  The award has gone to a block of student accommodation in London.  Typical really, London always gets everything while the North gets nowt  :(.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Human Extinction
Post by: Fester on September 07, 2013, 07:27:01 PM
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Apparently we only use 10% of our brain.......

And as you get older you find that the percentage you do use, gradually loses some of its effectiveness!    :-[

Not if your performance at Scrabble is anything to go by!
Title: Re: Re: Human Extinction
Post by: Yorkie on September 07, 2013, 08:49:10 PM
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Apparently we only use 10% of our brain.......

And as you get older you find that the percentage you do use, gradually loses some of its effectiveness!    :-[

Not if your performance at Scrabble is anything to go by!

You cannot place that assumption on just one game!   Give it time.   :D
Title: Re: Re: Human Extinction
Post by: snowcap on September 07, 2013, 10:23:41 PM
am i right in thinking the battle of the brain of the year has started and that it is one nil to the elder?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on September 07, 2013, 10:31:44 PM
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Well Viv,  seeing as bugga-all else is happening within that edifice, we might as well pass the time with a game of Scrabble!

Well Carwyn Jones is coming to open it (again!) on Monday lunch-time - hope there are refreshments or he will have to use the drinks machine!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on September 07, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
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In the Colwyn Bay Pier thread, I've posted a link to a newspaper article about a new council grant for the development phase of pier.

Councillors voted 11 to five in support of the grant application, and some of the questions asked at the council meeting seem valid enough, I suppose. But, again, I'm struck with the difference in approach between the pier and Porth Eirias. With the pier, it seems there's resistance from council members at every step. Yet with Porth Eirias, it appears to be: money no object, no resistance, no awkward questions asked (and it's now clear that a lot things weren't thought out properly, if at all).

Here's the link again, to save you going to the other thread: http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/126162/bay-town-council-votes-to-support-pier-with-20-000-grant.aspx (http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/126162/bay-town-council-votes-to-support-pier-with-20-000-grant.aspx)

Different Council = town council have voted to give the £20K to the County Council in order to let Shore Thing do a full bisuness plan and feasability study. They had to approve the decision of the Finance committee - I was actually one who opposed it at committee, but unfortunately was unable to attend the full council meeting but would have voted against if I had been able to get there. I asked for a recorded vote so that people could see who voted which way.
Title: Re: Re: Human Extinction
Post by: Fester on September 08, 2013, 12:28:42 AM
Correct Sir,  a crushing first game defeat for me.... and I am also trailing badly in game 2.

The sad thing is, I have never even heard of half of the words used against me!

The games versus SDQ however, are much closer.

I am enjoying all these games immensely, especially when I win!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 08, 2013, 07:55:18 AM
I've merged all the Scrabble postings into this thread.  In fact, Scrabble probably ought to have its own topic in Games, but I'll see how many more postings appear.
Title: Re: Re: Human Extinction
Post by: Yorkie on September 08, 2013, 08:51:10 AM
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The sad thing is, I have never even heard of half of the words used against me!


You have to bear in mind the game is AMERICAN and there are lots of words that we do not come across in everyday use.
Just using trial and error will often produce a word that works and that is "legal".  Also gen up on the 2 and 3 letter words they can be very useful.

You also leave yourself open to big scores by giving access to the premium score squares.  Sometimes a tactical move is better than a large score word.

I also play a lot with other people and on average I probably lose as many as I win.

We are only on our second game so give it a chance.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 08, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
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Different Council = town council have voted to give the £20K to the County Council in order to let Shore Thing do a full bisuness plan and feasability study. They had to approve the decision of the Finance committee - I was actually one who opposed it at committee, but unfortunately was unable to attend the full council meeting but would have voted against if I had been able to get there. I asked for a recorded vote so that people could see who voted which way.

I'd be grateful if you could expand on this a little, Viv. Between the town and county councils, who is responsible for what (regarding the pier and Porth Eirias)? Did the town council have no say at all over the way Porth Eirias was developed?

There's also an issue over who is feeding what information to the local press. I get the impression there's a lot of public confusion regarding the pier - due perhaps to contradictory information appearing in the press week by week. But at least we're hearing about all the things that could go wrong, and all the reasons why it shouldn't be renovated, and why it would be such a burden on public finances, etc, etc. The exact opposite was the case with Porth Eirias - resulting in almost universal ignorance (until it was too late) of the fact that the original (publicly approved) plans had been drastically altered (for the worst), and a general lack of questioning over how it's going to financially justify its highly expensive existence.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: viv on September 08, 2013, 10:02:16 PM
Porth Eirias - no Town Council involvement at all. We had a presentation which explained all the sea defence work, and an opportunity to vote for the winning design ( as did the general public) but no money was given towards this project by the Town Council. I personally didn't vote for this design - I voted for the glass yacht design!

The Pier - a grant was given to Shore Thing for a Pier specialist (?) to draw up plans for the Pier. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact figure so won't quote it on here - it was about 2 years ago. This apparently led to them getting the Lottery Grant which was towards doing a business plan/feasibility study, and also some emergency repairs. Rob Dix from the County Council then asked us to pay £20K over 2 years towards this. I am on Policy and Finance and voted against this, but it was carried and then had to be ratified by the full Town Council, which it was.

My personal views on the future of the Pier are well known I think. The plans include building on the repaired structure, and a partnership with Llandrillo college to put on concerts,art and photography exhibitions. I worry that the reductions in education funding which happen regularly put the sustainability in doubt, and wonder if people are going to visit the pier every week in the year to make it pay - buildings need maintenance and management. As a student at Bangor in the 60s I bought a plank on their pier, and helped to paint the railings - sadly Bangor Council didn't ring-fence the money from the turnstile to cover future maintenance which is once again causing problems.

I like to go back to basics when looking at public opinion. What do people actually mean when they say they want to save the pier - is it an iron structure that juts out into the sea that they can walk along in the summer and looks nice when you look down at the Bay from Penmaenhead? Or is it nostalgia for the olden days of shows and concerts in the Pavilion which has looked a mess for the last few decades ( I know because I used to sing on stage one night a week at the Dixieland Showbar!)?

Of course now the Pier and Porth Eirias could be competing for the same customers, and I think that the timing of these 2 projects has been unfortunate. Was Porth Eirias created to replace the pier - if so it should have been more aesthetically pleasing  - or has it a completely different function what will not compete and may even complement the Pier if it is renovated? I am not sure at the moment what that function is, but hope that it won't be long before it has its own identity for the right reasons, and not just for its appearance.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 09, 2013, 08:16:20 AM
Would that we could get such lucid, intelligent and honest responses to issues around the area from any County Councillors.  Thank you, viv;  this is eactly what this forum ought to be used for.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 09, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
Thanks, Viv - that's very useful. And I agree with Ian - it's a pity we didn't get such clarity from the county council (eg regarding Porth Eirias).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Gwynant on September 09, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
               Apparently Carwyn Jones has officially opened Porth Eirias today and a well known caterer (Bryn Jones)  will be taking over the running of the Café (or "Brasserie" as it will be known) and catering for "meals with prices to suit all pockets", according to the BBC Wales  news this lunchtime.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 09, 2013, 03:20:29 PM
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               "meals with prices to suit all pockets"

I have always wondered what this expression actually means.  Is there anyone out there who can translate for me?    ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Blongb on September 09, 2013, 07:34:14 PM
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               Apparently Carwyn Jones has officially opened Porth Eirias today and a well known caterer (Bryn Jones)  will be taking over the running of the Café (or "Brasserie" as it will be known) and catering for "meals with prices to suit all pockets", according to the BBC Wales  news this lunchtime.

I wonder how much extra money is going to be needed to install a kitchen fit for (Bryn Williams perhaps) and what revamping of the inside will be required. There are an awful lot of clever people who open 5* restaurants only to find what was really required was the snack kiosk that is to be closed down 200 yards away.     
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 09, 2013, 07:38:03 PM
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               "meals with prices to suit all pockets"

I have always wondered what this expression actually means.  Is there anyone out there who can translate for me?    ;D

I would have thought it was an impossibility to achieve that.
It implies that if a beggar walked in and ordered a meal, and Donald Trump was at the next table, they would both be satisfied with the value for money for the food received.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 09, 2013, 08:57:55 PM
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I would have thought it was an impossibility to achieve that.
It implies that if a beggar walked in and ordered a meal, and Donald Trump was at the next table, they would both be satisfied with the value for money for the food received.

How did I know you'd play the Trump Card?    ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on September 09, 2013, 09:52:33 PM
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I would have thought it was an impossibility to achieve that.
It implies that if a beggar walked in and ordered a meal, and Donald Trump was at the next table, they would both be satisfied with the value for money for the food received.

How did I know you'd play the Trump Card?    ZXZ

or the Donald one - $donald$  _))* and manage to keep this new food outlet open during the wildest of winters Brrrrrrrr!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on September 10, 2013, 08:19:49 AM
Interesting reading !!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-24013410 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-24013410)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 10, 2013, 09:53:15 AM
I just can't see that the space allocated is suitable for an upmarket restaurant? It feels far too small yet not remotely intimate enough and who would want to go there out of season? I wish them all the best of luck but fear they have a very uphill struggle to make it work.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 10, 2013, 10:06:23 AM
I would have thought a basic cafe would be perfect there! Perhaps the very high rent means only an expensive restaurant could afford to be there? Look forward to next summer and holidaymakers going in from the beach only to find high prices! Seems doomed to fail!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on September 10, 2013, 11:55:01 AM
I think to have any cafe at the waterfront would be good and if the rents were kept lower for a while to give who ever takes it on a chance to get something up and running.
I noticed yesterday when i went for a walk along i was impressed with the facility  for anyone wanting to learn canoeing or sailing at a very reasonable price.
So I think it will be all ok when the building is put to better use.Whether it will be a wine bar or bistro. Most important is that the beach doesnt get washed all away during the winter storms, did notice the sea came up the new beach quite high this week and i dont have confidence the beach on the other side of the pier (toad hall side) will remain the same during the winter.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 10, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
 At 2.30 this afternoon the Old Colwyn end of the prom was taking a real battering, as bad as I have seen for a long time. From the A55 turnoff I could see a car about halfway along with a wave completely over it, i.e. both sides, roof, back end and presumably the bonnet as well. The wind was from a nasty direction, N.E, but not mega strong by any means. From Toad Hall to the new development things were more or less O.K.
  I feel absolutely certain t hat at any other time in this situation the Old Colwyn end would have been well and truly closed. But I suppose today it might have been a tad embarrassing for the top council officials to do that only hours after the official opening of what is, essentially, a sea defence scheme.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 10, 2013, 03:36:45 PM
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Interesting reading !!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-24013410 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-24013410)

Interesting indeed. And the video at the top (news report by Chris Dearden?) is a good piece, mentioning the Carbuncle Cup nomination, but also looking at the positives of the new beach etc, as well as the new celebrity chef. I agree with Dave that it'll take a lot of work transforming the current sterile-looking interior into upmarket restaurant ambience.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Blongb on September 10, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
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it'll take a lot of work transforming the current sterile-looking interior into upmarket restaurant ambience.

And an awful lot of money. I just wonder who is going to pay for it?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 10, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
   And then --- u have your upmarket bistro. Imagine any midday in August, sudden downpour of rain, God knows how many frantic mums with sandy, sea weeded kids make a bean line for it. Dont tell me, seaweed might be on an upmarket menu. Posh directors make a sudden decision "isn't there somewhere in Deganwy more suitable for us?"
Title: Re: Human Extinction
Post by: born2run on September 11, 2013, 01:39:18 PM
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Apparently we only use 10% of our brain.......

And as you get older you find that the percentage you do use, gradually loses some of its effectiveness!    :-[

Not if your performance at Scrabble is anything to go by!

Fester have you not told our forum friends how I have beaten you in scrabble 3 times in a row?  :-*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2013, 01:44:20 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on September 11, 2013, 02:56:31 PM
But if it were Yorkshire Scrabble tha wouldstna a wun, wust tha?    >>> >>
See him off Fester.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 11, 2013, 04:54:53 PM
It'd be a reet real tussle if two on us were playing Yorkshire Scrabble, wunst it now?

Suffice it to say that in the match twix Fester and Yorkie, one player is only one game up on t'other.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on September 11, 2013, 05:02:45 PM
Howwwwwww much, bar gum intit.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on September 11, 2013, 05:07:17 PM
Arll tell thee summat, if thay cost plee Scabble wharl tokin in a pottrees accent, none o thase ferriners ull know whot thate on abite so theet bind ter win, dust ear.
Oh dear, I wonder what came over me then, I seem to have reverted to my former ways.
I must go for a lie down now, toodle pip old chap.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 11, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Cos y can!  Got me pals Eynok and Aylie to 'elp! >>>
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on September 11, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
Am yo frim Brummigim then?
Oy thoought yo woz frim Ilkley Moor.
Even Miranda Hart isn't this silly, we'll be falling off our computer chairs next, orlroyt.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on September 11, 2013, 08:59:17 PM
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what on earth has scrabble got to do with the Colwyn Bay waterfront hub please - has someone invented a high scoring word for it?
Viv, it takes our minds off the more serious things in life.
I learned that lesson back in 2005 when I gave up my domestic appliance workshop in Douglas Road.
I no longer take life so seriously, thanks to himself, I learned a lot.
Kind regards to yourself,
Dave
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 11, 2013, 09:09:40 PM
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It'd be a reet real tussle if two on us were playing Yorkshire Scrabble, wunst it now?

Suffice it to say that in the match twix Fester and Yorkie, one player is only one game up on t'other.
 ZXZ

The Scrabble games I am involved in are very good for my brain training.

To be honest, I believe that I am 3-0 down to Yorkie, but losing by less each time, so encouraged to continue.
The games against SDQ are much closer and each one goes down to the wire.
Born to Run, I am sure has never beaten me, and most probably never will.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: snowcap on September 11, 2013, 10:00:12 PM
I believe you can get word making gadgets to help with the longer words that no one has ever heard of, stick in 9 letters and it will give you a list of them , you lads wouldn't do that now would you?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on September 11, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
   Wouldn't do it? There are one or two members of this forum who are probably capable of inventing whatever it is does it.
   Thank goodness they are all honourable people
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 12, 2013, 07:19:40 AM
Quote
I believe you can get word making gadgets to help with the longer words that no one has ever heard of

There are several on the internet.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on September 12, 2013, 08:28:47 AM
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I believe you can get word making gadgets to help with the longer words that no one has ever heard of

There are several on the internet.
This one's probably a good one:
http://www.scrabblecheat.com/ (http://www.scrabblecheat.com/)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 12, 2013, 08:44:11 AM
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I believe you can get word making gadgets to help with the longer words that no one has ever heard of

There are several on the internet.
This one's probably a good one:
http://www.scrabblecheat.com/ (http://www.scrabblecheat.com/)

There is one problem with the cheat programs.  It is fairly obvious when someone is using one, as their vocabulary suddenly explodes to something greater than the Encyclopaedia Brittanica!  Also it takes the personal interest away from the game.

My tips for playing a good game are:

Learn all the 2 letter and 3 letter words you can.
If you cannot make a decent score with a word, play a tactical move and don't leave the Triple Score squares easily available.
Learn some of the names of gases and elements.
Learn some obscure words such as yttrium and others that use a multi consonant form.
Always try to combine your word with another already down so you score both words, or sometimes even more.
Try to use high scoring letters on the triple letter square, 3 x 8 is obviously better than 3 x 1, and the square can only be used once!
Finally, play regularly with different people.

Most of all enjoy it!    :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Minime on September 15, 2013, 12:24:15 AM
Having pootled down the prom last weekend coming towards Porth Eirias heading west we didn't quite know what it was and I thought it was something closed down and commented on the overgrown looking plants on the roof!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on September 17, 2013, 10:19:08 PM
Driving along the Colwyn Bay prom today I was interested to see how things were looking after the high winds. Judging by the seaweed deposits the sea must have been almost level with the prom around the area in front of the toilets near the pier. With a higher tide is the road going to flood ?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 18, 2013, 04:40:41 PM
Couple of Porth Eirias news items - an ITV report from a few days ago, and a Daily Post piece about it being used recently for a band practice:

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/topic/porth-eirias/ (http://www.itv.com/news/wales/topic/porth-eirias/)
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/music/video-magic-numbers-perform-impromptu-5922716 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/music/video-magic-numbers-perform-impromptu-5922716)

Someone told me that celebrity chefs' restaurants are a big attraction, and bring in people from a wide area - in which case this might be a good idea by the council (if they can make it work - no doubt with a large subsidy of public money to get it up and running). I don't have my finger on the pulse as far as celebrity chefs go - how famous is this one? (Bryn Williams - I confess I hadn't heard of him).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Minime on October 08, 2013, 11:20:57 PM
Ive got aiden byrnes gaffe nearby, does very well always seems busy.  Few local grumblings about poor service, not food.  He also gets very involved in local events so hasn't just slapped his name on somewhere he never is.
It was an ok pub before nothing special.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tosh on November 07, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
New Waterfront plans, mmmmmm.
 _))*   ££$ 

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/revealed-artists-impressions-phase-two-6280229 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/revealed-artists-impressions-phase-two-6280229)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on November 07, 2013, 09:04:25 PM
The new waterfront development looks very much like the current waterfront but with a few new floor tiles.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on November 08, 2013, 08:13:39 AM
I think there is an awful lot of artistic licence used in those images.  Whoever did them must be on a different Planet!     ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on November 08, 2013, 08:31:05 AM
Most of what they're planning can only be seen from the aerial impression. It appears the design should help dissipate the force of any Northerly storms, and because the entire promenade is going to be raised, it should also act as a barrier to incoming storm surges which could, if something's not done, undermine the railway embankment. Most of the artistic licence is in the trees on the embankment. I'm assuming they intend to plant a lot of these, since their root systems might help consolidate the banking.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on November 08, 2013, 09:55:17 AM
What I'd like to see is a few more facilities included in the design that will create jobs for local people. No point in attracting thousands of people to a new beach if they have nowhere to spend their money with local businesses.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on November 08, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
I drove past Porth Eirias yesterday, and I have to confess, I don't know what it is actually meant to be.

A genuine question, what is it's purpose?

You see, when the idea was first put forward, I had visions of being able to hire a Jet-Ski, or a Pedalo, or perhaps a canoe from the centre.  Or perhaps that surfing or wind-surfing might be available and co-ordinated from there.

It seems not.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 08, 2013, 08:47:43 PM
Seems pointless to me! Last week we went in, got drinks from the machine, sat down and looked around, wondering what was it all about? Why was there a girl behind the desk? All seems pointless, it is just a folly built just to waste money! Oh still no sign of the cafe / bistro being started!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on November 08, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
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Seems pointless to me! Last week we went in, got drinks from the machine, sat down and looked around, wondering what was it all about? Why was there a girl behind the desk? All seems pointless, it is just a folly built just to waste money! Oh still no sign of the cafe / bistro being started!

So it's not just me being thick then? 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 08, 2013, 10:17:31 PM
I can only assume that somehow the money was available and they wondered what the hell to spend it on! So we ended up with the folly that is the Skip by the Sea!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: penpal on November 09, 2013, 07:14:51 AM
Re hiring canoes etc. In September we went past and there was a flag and board advertising hire.One guy hired a small dingy and had 30 mins on the water. I think in season they will be hiring kayaks,windsurfers etc. Re surfing, I have seen a guy out on the water a few times near the new beach along with some at Rhos point, Even saw a photographer with a big lens taking shots of the surfers. 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 09, 2013, 08:00:03 AM
Sounds like that could have been done from a large shed, not a building that cost several million pounds.  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on November 11, 2013, 09:43:27 AM
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Sounds like that could have been done from a large shed, not a building that cost several million pounds.  &shake&

Yes, that's my take on it also. The storage under the ramp for canoes, etc, and the changing rooms - great for watersports. Unfortunately it seems their thinking has stopped at watersports (& bistro). Given the size of the building and the amount of space in it, you could have a lot of other interesting uses and attractions going on (with the added benefit of creating local jobs). It could house little shops and stalls, seaside grottos, mermaids, interesting art galleries, whatever. Not sterile conference rooms and pointless "display space".

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on November 11, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
Drove past there late yesterday morning from the Rhos end. Looking at the general effect of the ramp at that side as seen from the road, it was more like an overgrown field. Hope it looks better close to !

The new beach, from the car, looked lovely, albeit quiet.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on November 15, 2013, 09:45:44 PM
Just wondering why the 2nd phase of work down on the prom at Colwyn bay isnt going to start until after January. If they had been working on it now they could have been finished for the start of the season maybe  Easter. Instead looks like the beach areas and roads will be compromised again until summer ( If we are very Lucky) dont hold your breath folks, we seen it all before  :-X. It doesnt really matter if someone gets to grip over the pier as well. As that will be a further traffic stopper when they revamp/knock down the Pier.
The promenade serves folk well when detouring Old colwyn and Colwyn bay at peak traffice times.Always was a life saver for folk  on the way to work,myself included.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Minime on November 16, 2013, 12:10:03 AM
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Drove past there late yesterday morning from the Rhos end. Looking at the general effect of the ramp at that side as seen from the road, it was more like an overgrown field. Hope it looks better close to !

The new beach, from the car, looked lovely, albeit quiet.

I thought it was an abandoned building when I first saw it.  Kids park round the back is good
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on November 16, 2013, 05:31:13 PM
The beach appears to be primarily used as a dog exercise area at the moment. The greenery, correction, the dead plants, give the new build a delightful look of dereliction obviously carefully chosen so it matches in nicely with the pier.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on November 16, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
 I reckon they are growing the 'weeds' so they will cover the whole lot then maybe no one will notice it. Think a few cordylines and some nice slate or pebble would have looked better.  In all fairness though the beach was popular in the good weather, dont suppose we can expect people to use it now in winter for picnicing ,  although there were some watersports folk around today. Windsurfers etc.  Needs stuff going on in there ,cafe etc and something to attract folk and that pier knocking down or a cheap alternative. Colwyn bay beach is lovely and has good water quality for sports bathers etc and i think will eventually (hope i live long enough to see it) be a good place for visitors. I was travelling along the prom daily in the summer . it was jammed packed at weekends from Old Col to Rhos on sea.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on November 17, 2013, 07:47:26 AM
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Needs ...that pier knocking down or a cheap alternative.

Wonder if there are cheap alternatives available? Modern building technology has come a long way since the heyday of the Victorian pier.  Maybe something could be built out of totally new materials.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 17, 2013, 08:37:30 AM
PORTH EIRIAS CALL-OUT FOR LLANDUDNO RNLI CREW

Llandudno's RNLI inshore lifeboat was called out by Holyhead Coastguard at 1527 hrs on Saturday 16 November following reports that a dinghy had capsized off Porth Eirias, Colwyn Bay; despite another small boat apparently assisting, little progress was being made in righting the craft.

The lifeboat, taken by road to Colwyn Bay, arrived on scene a short time later as did Llandudno lifeboat station's duty launching authority. It soon became evident the two boats were not in fact in difficulty, but were being used for training purposes in connection with a powerboat course being run by the local sailing school.

As a result the RNLI crew was stood down and returned to station; the initial report has since been categorised as a false alarm raised with good intent.

Crew On Board
Luke Heritage, Tim James, James Salt and Alex Farquharson

Driver
Nigel Forrest
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on November 21, 2013, 12:57:15 PM
After a phone enquiry to do with a booking my OH rang Porth Erias to ask when it would be possible for people to make a booking for the Bistro. After a lot of hemming and hawing he was told that work will not now start till January with a proposed opening day around Easter. Apparently 'Bryn' cannot get hold of the equipment he wants.

In the mean time it stands unused.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on November 21, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
i bet they didn,t say which easter  :laugh: must be a shop here he could get a pan from  _))*that will be another drain of money like venue cymru.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 21, 2013, 01:46:27 PM
Incredible! You could not make it up really! Must be the biggest white elephant ever built, time to put it in a skip...... &shake&

Bryn, you could try this place,

http://www.allianceonline.co.uk/ (http://www.allianceonline.co.uk/)    They must have some equipment for you, perhaps he's realised that it won't work at that location, perhaps the bank manager has pointed it out to him?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on November 21, 2013, 01:56:15 PM
I wonder if he is paying any rent on the place whilst he is retaining the option?   Or is it now available to anyone who wants to bid?

Probably another CCBC contract withoud any date for completion clause.   L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 21, 2013, 03:55:22 PM
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After a phone enquiry to do with a booking my OH rang Porth Erias to ask when it would be possible for people to make a booking for the Bistro. After a lot of hemming and hawing he was told that work will not now start till January with a proposed opening day around Easter. Apparently 'Bryn' cannot get hold of the equipment he wants.

In the mean time it stands unused.

We attended one of Bryn’s cooking demonstrations during the Conwy Feast three weeks ago and he told everybody he will be opening in January.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 21, 2013, 05:47:09 PM
Was he a frying pan short of the full kitchen?   :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on November 21, 2013, 07:50:07 PM
Perhaps he and Porth Erias aren't in contact and HE doesn't know what THEY are saying !!! :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on November 21, 2013, 09:00:20 PM
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Apparently 'Bryn' cannot get hold of the equipment he wants. In the mean time it stands unused.

 :laugh: The area that's supposed to house a kitchen was completely bare when I looked at it a few weeks ago. Completely. It reminded me of tumbleweed drifting across the desert, except that it was pitch black, as there were no light fittings installed.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: llewelyn on November 21, 2013, 11:34:11 PM
Get Gordon Ramsey, he would kick some ass, but no he wouldnt bother, he knows a loser when he sees one, or Rick Stein he is very good  on the coast, then again he has more sense.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on November 22, 2013, 08:35:05 AM
The pics in yesterday's news showing the amount of sand on the prom around and about the pier in C. Bay makes me wonder if the main thing on the menu might be "sandwiches" :twoface: _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on November 22, 2013, 09:57:22 AM
Pic courtesy North Wales Weekly News:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on December 05, 2013, 09:32:56 AM
Planning Applications have been submitted for the next stage of the Waterfront Redevelopment:

"Redevelopment of promenade and coastal defences to
include new walkways and car parking, new pedestrian
link to town centre and new facing to pier "

"Importation of approximately 220,000 tonnes of sea
dredged sand obtained from existing licensed dredging
sites in Liverpool Bay and placing on site on the beach at
Colwyn Bay. Removal of existing timber/rock groynes
from the area of foreshore to be recharged as required.
Extension of existing surface water outfalls. Removal of
existing rock armour from the foreshore to be recharged
and construction of new rock armour toe protection with
the removed material to the west of the recharged works.
Concrete repair works to the existing sea wall."

Full Applications can be read here:
http://tinyurl.com/k26ox8o (http://tinyurl.com/k26ox8o)
http://tinyurl.com/l9ldf5w (http://tinyurl.com/l9ldf5w)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on December 29, 2013, 02:07:58 PM
Had a look though the window into Porth Eirias the other day at the Bistro area - no sign of any work whatsoever having taken place:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Blongb on December 29, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
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We attended one of Bryn’s cooking demonstrations during the Conwy Feast three weeks ago and he told everybody he will be opening in January.

He didn't happen to say which "January" did he , Bri ?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 29, 2013, 09:27:54 PM
 _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on December 30, 2013, 08:52:55 AM
At the 'desk'inside the building my OH was quoted Easter. Again-- which one ?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on December 30, 2013, 01:23:52 PM
I wonder with all the further work about to start in January along that stretch, i dont know whether it would be considered viable to open before it was complete. I dont think i would like to open a bistro in the middle of all that building work. It seems planning and time scale all out again. Hope its even cleared for summer  ???
If the work had been done starting October  they may have stood a chance of clearing the prom by early spring but now  :roll: who knows.
I just cant believe why and i mean WHY have they left Old colwyn promenade to the mercy of these storms. The embankment under the railway is being corroded.  Hope that rail line above is 100% secure .  All that cash spent on the Waterfront and they leave the worse affected area undone.  Dont get me wrong i have enjoyed walks and sitting with grandkids down there at the waterfront but for gods sake shouldnt we prioritise a bit more.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 08, 2014, 11:42:50 AM
Driven past the skip by the sea this morning and someone is diligently cleaning the windows And by the pier feet of sand is being shovelled manually and by a digger back onto the beach.
West Shore car park is still barely accessible.
 Priorities?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on January 08, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
I quite agree Nem! common sense and all that seems to have dissapeared. Although the  sea defence was needed near the waterfront , Old colwyn i would have thought would be as or more urgent to protect the main railway into North Wales!  Also Happy year year everyone! x
Also Deganwy needs help drove through several inches of water along main road Monday looked like a small lake worried the water would seep in. OH missed opportunity to turn around. :-X
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on January 08, 2014, 01:29:37 PM
The Railway Line embankment at Old Colwyn is the responsibility of Network Rail, rather than the Council.

The road through Deganwy is below sea level in places, so always floods during high tides. Not a lot you can do about it, really.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on January 08, 2014, 07:06:19 PM
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Driven past the skip by the sea this morning and someone is diligently cleaning the windows

At least a smaller window-cleaning bill than for the originally-planned glass-clad design. Significant cost-saving there - something for the council to mention in their PR, along with the admirable "chameleon-like" qualities of zinc .  ;)

Every cloud...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 08, 2014, 07:36:41 PM
Don't forget to add 'extremely low running costs for the bistro!'  :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on January 09, 2014, 01:16:53 AM
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The Railway Line embankment at Old Colwyn is the responsibility of Network Rail, rather than the Council.

The road through Deganwy is below sea level in places, so always floods during high tides. Not a lot you can do about it, really.
I guess your right over Deganwy unless that road was raised it will be a problem. That s what the council intend doing near Colwyn Pier.
Getting back to Old Colwyn although the embankment as you say is Network Rails responsibility, surely the sea defence along there remains the Councils responsibility therefore adding protection for the road and footpath. That area of the prom is very busy and provides a 3rd option of getting through the busy early morning traffic for schools and folk on the way to work. I'm sure we will never see the day when we don't have the prom closed due to bad weather but by spending on that area and improving the sea defences would  hopefully stop it getting any worse.
I spent years getting stuck in the morning traffic in Old Colwyn going to work and taking the children to school. Unless something is done soon that area of prom will spend more time closed than open. My little gripe is all that money on the waterfront surely some should be going on the whole of the promenade beginning at Old Colwyn. We were led to believe this would happen.  Roll on summer  8)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on January 10, 2014, 12:41:57 AM
 I did notice a more positive approach to Porth eirias waterfront in the Pioneer today . Pointing out the facilities for watersports for all who wish to try them. Most positive was the extension to local schools. I think this is fantastic and gives children from local schools the opportunity to try canoeing, sailing and windsurfing, these are activities normally only open to the private schools. So hurray for that one! Also pleased see the crazy golf taking shape at Rhos, better than nothing and that corner needs revamping.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: nwpo on January 29, 2014, 05:41:14 PM
Talking of the Skip, this is tomorrow's front page.  Apparently, there's confirmation that negotiations haven't been concluded yet.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfKWQmUCcAAP9Xi.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on January 29, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
Well, you read it on the Forum first. Personally, I have serious doubts over whether it will ever open. The whole Porth Eirias project has been yet another disaster for Conwy Council.  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 29, 2014, 11:01:08 PM
Not at all surprising! A big white elephant in a skip! Bonkers!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: llewelyn on January 29, 2014, 11:05:12 PM
What the hell will they do with it now, looks like a prison, they could beat Wrexham to it. :( :(
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 31, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
More chance of Fanny Craddock opening a cafe!  &shake&

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-restaurant-tv-chef-6648249 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-restaurant-tv-chef-6648249)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 31, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Good comment ME _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on February 01, 2014, 10:26:42 AM
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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: bigbadhenry on February 01, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
 £12 million regeneration cash for Conwy.

Conwy council will use the funds to continue the regeneration of the seafront at Colwyn Bay.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25984433 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25984433)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on February 03, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
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What the hell will they do with it now, looks like a prison, they could beat Wrexham to it. :( :(

Or at least a windowless solitary-confinement section of a prison.

It still puzzles me when I walk past the big windowless zinc part of it. What is the space inside used for? (Apart from the portion taken up by toilets/changing rooms). If I were a novelist, I might imagine it's always been planned as a secret monitoring facility. And perhaps the pier structure somehow interferes with clear transmission, so had to go. But there had to be a cover story, of course. Perhaps the architect was giving a subtle clue when he tweeted this:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/sgh153.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on February 05, 2014, 05:59:33 PM
It appears that the Colwyn Bay sea defences project has been nominated (by the council?) for a National Urban Design Award: http://www.udg.org.uk/events/london-and-south-east/national-urban-design-awards-2014 (http://www.udg.org.uk/events/london-and-south-east/national-urban-design-awards-2014)

The problem is that it's titled under the name "Porth Eirias", which everyone (including the local media and the BBC) understands to mean the non-essential building unaffectionately known to locals as The Skip (aka Monument to Cluenessness in Design & Planning). Unfortunately, the organisers of the award (UDG) think that "Porth Eirias" includes "sea defence, a promenade, a restored beach & a link to the town".

The award would be good damage control for the council, PR you couldn't buy. But totally misleading given that "Porth Eirias" really refers to the building, not the restored beach, etc. It's ironic given what UDG is trying to promote ("raising standards of urban design", etc) and which Porth Eirias does the exact opposite of (misleading public consulations, Carbuncle Cup shorlisted, still empty and unused two years after original planned opening in "Summer 2012", ill-considered design, unfit for seaside purposes, etc, etc).

It would make more sense if the nomination was for the "Colwyn Bay sea defences and restored beach". Anything but "Porth Eirias".

I think UDG have seen nothing but council PR (their PDF document describing Porth Eirias certainly gives that impression). Perhaps they should be informed of what's really been going on, the scathing press coverage, the even more scathing local public opinion, etc. They're contactable here:

http://www.udg.org.uk/about (http://www.udg.org.uk/about)
Email: admin@udg.org.uk

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on February 05, 2014, 06:17:24 PM
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It still puzzles me when I walk past the big windowless zinc part of it. What is the space inside used for? (Apart from the portion taken up by toilets/changing rooms). If I were a novelist, I might imagine it's always been planned as a secret monitoring facility.
All is revealed:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on February 05, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
Very interesting, DaveR, thanks. It seems to have changed quite a bit from the original plan, in which the toilets, showers and changing rooms took up much less overall space. There was a large sea-facing "observation room" in the original. I guess the toilets, etc, expanded in size to fill the space left by it.

With all that generous space for showers and changing rooms, maybe they'll consider turning the rest of the building into a gym or swimming baths?  ;)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/33vytl1.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on February 13, 2014, 04:19:23 PM
Does this remind you of anything?:

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2lcb9z.jpg)

Mum's fury after council WIPES OUT front garden to install £40k disabled ramp.
“There must have been a better solution. The council could have gone about the whole project in a more sensible way."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/459535/Mum-s-fury-after-council-WIPES-OUT-front-garden-to-install-40k-disabled-ramp-for-daughter (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/459535/Mum-s-fury-after-council-WIPES-OUT-front-garden-to-install-40k-disabled-ramp-for-daughter)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2014, 07:40:39 PM
What an eyesore! Should ave been a lot cheaper to move!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on February 13, 2014, 08:22:02 PM
I should have mentioned that the Porth Eirias architects ('K2 Architects') had linked to that Daily Express story on the ramp, with the comment: "Looks like we got off lightly at Porth Eirias".

The architects also posted today: "Had a sneak preview of the fit out of Bryns restaurant at Porth Eirias today. Looking really good, well worth the wait!" So it sounds as if work has started.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on February 17, 2014, 04:15:04 PM
There wasn't a lot going on today.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on February 20, 2014, 11:51:09 AM
I had a look the day before yesterday - zero work done on kitchen. So I'm not sure what the architects were talking about when they said "Had a sneak preview of the fit out of Bryns restaurant at Porth Eirias today". Perhaps they just meant the plans.

I've also heard a rumour (can anyone confirm) that the council has nominated the whole waterfront project (including restored beach, sea defences, etc) for the RICS Awards Wales 2014 - under the title "Porth Eirias". If so, that would be misleading, as "Porth Eirias" was actually the name given to the skip-shaped building alone, in a competition to name it, in February 2012. So it would be wrong for "Porth Eirias" to take credit for the entirely separate (and impressive) feat of engineering which built up the beach, etc.
http://www.rics.org/uk/training-events/networking/rics-wales-awards-2014/cardiff/ (http://www.rics.org/uk/training-events/networking/rics-wales-awards-2014/cardiff/)

The same thing certainly happened with an earlier award (Urban Design Group awards 2014) - which I mentioned in a previous post. I'm pleased that the misleading "Porth Eirias" nomination didn't win that one - but it didn't stop the architects from taking credit. It seems the council may be desperate for some good press for the Skip.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 01, 2014, 10:15:41 AM
An update (of sorts) on the bistro:

Speaking on Tuesday, Iwan Davies said: “We’ve never been closer to securing a lease to bring Bryn to Porth Eirias.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-bryn-williams-restaurant-6880969 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-bryn-williams-restaurant-6880969)

I won't bother trying to dress this up in an April Fools type jest, as that would be redundant on this issue. The challenge would be to find something about it that doesn't bring "fools" to mind.  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 01, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
More chance of Fanny Craddock opening a bistro there!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 01, 2014, 11:08:12 AM
Whilst having a walk along the Prom on Sunday, I noticed that the side entrrance to the Pier had been completely cleared of rubbish etc, looks a lot tidier. I suppose they're smartening it up ready for demolition.....  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 03, 2014, 10:25:38 AM
The Porth Eirias disaster rumbles on...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 03, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
In the accompanying article in the new edition of the NW Weekly News (not online yet), it says:

"Since Christmas the Weekly News has been flooded with letters branding the watersports facility [Porth Eirias] a white elephant and a waste of money".

No big surprise of course, but it's further confirmation "in black & white" of the widespread unpopularity of the building - should those responsible (architects, planners, councillors) choose to lift their eyes from their official spin and flipboards.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 03, 2014, 07:52:09 PM
They usually go on about sea defences, but that is a separate thing to building a giant skip with no obvious way of getting any income from it! I wonder what the running costs have been since the skip was completed?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on April 03, 2014, 09:15:04 PM
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. . . . .  I wonder what the running costs have been since the skip was completed?

I guess the Council will Skip that question!   _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 04, 2014, 11:45:44 AM
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I wonder what the running costs have been since the skip was completed?

I'd also like to know that. The council was very keen to promote the ongoing cost of the pier (maintenance, "security", etc). But less keen, apparently, to promote such figures for Porth Eirias.

I'd also like to how much public money will be used to subsidise the planned "celebrity" bistro - including the various start-up costs (oval kitchen units, anyone?), legal costs, promotion, special deals on rent and other sweeteners, etc. In other words, I'd like to know how "sustainable" it really is (given that anti-pier councillors seem big on "sustainability").

Perhaps someone will make a Freedom of Information request, or two, at some point.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on April 04, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
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I wonder what the running costs have been since the skip was completed?

Perhaps someone will make a Freedom of Information request, or two, at some point.

Why not do it yourself.   It is very satisfying when you receive the reply!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on April 21, 2014, 09:13:01 AM
Thoughts of Oscar makes a good read today! The hole seems to be getting dug deeper and I don't mean the beach. So its up for hire now any takers??? :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 21, 2014, 10:13:43 AM
I wonder if anyone will be interested? Anyone?.....
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 21, 2014, 10:15:11 AM
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Thoughts of Oscar makes a good read today! The hole seems to be getting dug deeper and I don't mean the beach. So its up for hire now any takers??? :o

Still no progress in the so called bistro?  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 21, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
It looks as though the Porth Eirias saga will run for as long as the Pier saga....

Colwyn Bay Porth Eirias: Calls for clarity over future of £4m watersports complex

Apr 21, 2014 14:32
By Tom Davidson

Confusion over when contracts will be signed for Bryn Williams's Bistro and a new lease advert have prompted David Jones MP to demand answers
Bryn Williams at Porth Eirias

An MP has called for clarity over the future of a multi-million pound watersports complex in North Wales.

It was announced that celebrity chef Bryn Williams was  to open a bistro at Colwyn Bay watersports facility Porth Eirias in September last year, but contracts have not yet been exchanged.

An advert in the Estates Gazette by Conwy council offering a commercial lease at the prime site sparked a flurry of concern that the deal may have fallen through.

Council officials have denied the advert relates to the area designated for the bistro, but Clwyd West MP David Jones said residents deserve to know what is happening with the £4m complex.

He said: “People have a right to know what is going on. There has been a conspicuous lack of clarity for some time.

“We were told only a month ago the contracts were going to be exchanged imminently - that doesn’t look likely to happen now.

“We’re at the start of a new season now with no tenant in place yet again. That is the last thing Colwyn Bay needs.”

Adverts for the leasehold were first placed in 2011. The latest advert reads "Circa 100m2 space in Porth Eirias. One of three tenancies in this landmark building, part of a major waterfront/promenade enhancement project. Shell awaiting tenant's fit out. Centre also has training/meeting room and public facilities. Less than 1/2 mile from A55 Chester to Holyhead trunk road."

It asks for application forms for expressions of interest to be returned by June 12, 2014.

A Conwy council spokeswoman said: “This is not related to the Bistro - this is a different area within Porth Eirias.”

Earlier this month Councillor Abdul Khan accused Conwy Council of keeping residents “in the dark” over the facility.

He said: “We’re unable to answer people’s questions on what’s happening with it. It’s damaged myself by association.”

Conwy Council have remained adamant contract negotiations are close to complete.

Chief executive Iwan Davies has cited a variety of reasons for the delay.

At the start of April he said: “Complicated legal things have taken far longer than we expected.

“The whole council, including me, have been disappointed as to how long it’s taken. I keep faith that it will be something special when we get there.”

At the announcement in September  Bryn said he hoped to have the restaurant open before Christmas.

In early January Bryn said he wanted it to open that month, but was not available for comment today.

The @BrynPorthEirias Twitter account has been unused for 138 days.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/colwyn-bay-porth-eirias-calls-7013512 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/colwyn-bay-porth-eirias-calls-7013512)

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 21, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
It all seems like a plot for a Muppet show film!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on April 21, 2014, 11:18:05 PM
Dave,  I note that applications are to be made to Allan Sharp at CCBC.

Is he not the same guy who, 4 years ago, promised us a crack at the Rhos Harbour Bistro?    Also a copy of the minutes of our meeting which never transpired?
Did he not say that the Pier would be refurbished from sand level upward within 6 months or so?

Hmmm, whilst dinosaurs such as he remain at the helm, I have no faith whatsoever in a positive or professional outcome to this matter.   &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on April 22, 2014, 07:43:33 AM
If what you say is correct, it is a job for the Ombudsman for Maladministration!  ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 22, 2014, 09:13:59 AM
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Dave,  I note that applications are to be made to Allan Sharp at CCBC.

Is he not the same guy who, 4 years ago, promised us a crack at the Rhos Harbour Bistro?    Also a copy of the minutes of our meeting which never transpired?
You are indeed correct. I understand that CCBC has developed a reputation for being anti-business - the debacles with Porth Eirias, Pier, Dylans on Conwy Quay would certainly seem to substantiate this. There seems to be this desire to control everything, rather than achieve the best solution by letting private businesses in to run things. The result is mediocrity.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on April 22, 2014, 10:20:33 AM
I can't keep up with this.

If they built the "shed on the sand" without the Crown Estates agreement to use the sand and still haven't negotiated a lease how can they hire it out??

Did they know the sand (foreshore) wasn't theirs to use in the first place??

 If someone built a house without planning permission a demolition order would be issued.

 :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 23, 2014, 07:51:37 AM
Our youngest is home for a few days and she treated me and Mrs R to a meal yesterday afternoon at the new restaurant called Hickorys in Rhos-on-Sea.

It was very busy and I believe the place has been really popular ever since it opened a few weeks ago.

It leaves me wondering if putting Hickorys into Porth Eirias may have been a better option than inviting Bryn Williams to open his restaurant there.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 23, 2014, 08:11:34 AM
I doubt that they would have wanted to go in the skip, much better where it is, although no good for us as we are vegetarians!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 23, 2014, 08:47:00 AM
They might have if there was a financial incentive involved.

It is fine for veggies, ME.

Yesterday, our daughter had to start:

Smokehouse Nachos with sour cream, guacamole & melted cheese served with Spicy Tomato Salsa.

Mrs R started with Cajun Onion Rings with sour cream.

For her main course, the little ‘un had Mac ‘n’ Cheese with sourdough bread and salad

Finally, for a sweet they both enjoyed homemade cookies and milk.

The service was very efficient and the ambience was excellent.

Give it a try.

They are so busy I am sure they could afford to open another one down at Porth Eirias and make a success of it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on April 23, 2014, 09:31:25 PM
   Your last sentence Bri.

    I think you would have to twist their arm somewhat before they would even THINK about it. Wrong position completely.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 24, 2014, 08:44:34 AM
At least, there would not be any parking problems as there is now at the ship, Mike.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on April 24, 2014, 08:45:51 AM
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Smokehouse Nachos with sour cream, guacamole & melted cheese served with Spicy Tomato Salsa.

Mrs R started with Cajun Onion Rings with sour cream.

For her main course, the little ‘un had Mac ‘n’ Cheese with sourdough bread and salad

Finally, for a sweet they both enjoyed homemade cookies and milk.

Don't they have any BRITISH FOOD such as, Chicken Tikka Masalla, Char Sui Chow Mein, Paella, Jerk Chicken, Nasi Goreng, Lamb Korma, Chilli Con Carne, Moussaka, Spaghetti Bolognese, Tempura, Falafel, Baklava?   Or even good ol' FISH & CHIPS? 
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 24, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Probably not, Yorkie, and that is the reason I suspect the place is always full.

You can always have the Texan Slab described as a humongous 52oz prime rump steak, charred over sizzling hot coals & served with fries, onion rings, salad and peppercorn sauce.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 26, 2014, 05:22:55 PM
I overheard one of the young surfer-dude chaps (who seem to double up as Porth Eirias receptionists) telling some visitors to Porth Eirias that the pier wasn't "sustainable" (yes, he used that word), would cost "£15 million" to renovate - and that Porth Eirias only cost around "£1 million", and had been nominated for urban design and RICS Wales awards.

All either misleading or flatly false. Not that I blame him - he's presumably just regurgitating what he's been told. The boast about the award nominations annoys me slightly. As I've mentioned in previous posts, it appears that the council nominated the whole waterfront project (including sea defences, restored beach, etc) under the title "Porth Eirias", thus conflating the skip with the whole project. And, in any case, if I nominated myself as best-looking person in the room, nobody would take me seriously, so I'm not sure why anyone should take the council's nominations of its own projects seriously.  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on May 01, 2014, 01:40:54 PM
Here is the latest announcement on the bistro. We'll see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-27223066 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-27223066)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 01, 2014, 01:54:59 PM
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Here is the latest announcement on the bistro. We'll see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-27223066 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-27223066)
I just feel as though its completely the wrong business for that location. Surely a coffee/ice cream shop would have been a  far better idea, together with a shop selling buckets/spades etc?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on May 01, 2014, 05:01:37 PM
Where does his"title"of "celebrity chef" come from.  I've never heard of him until this debacle with the skip.  The only thing he seems famous for is the delays in getting something moving on the installation and opening of his sandwich shop!

I agree with DaveR, an ice cream shop with all the usual seaside paraphernalia would be a better option.

Time will tell!   ££$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on May 01, 2014, 11:15:20 PM
At the last count, there were over 31 million 'celebrity chefs' in the UK.

In fact, they now make up the majority of the British population.

I came to that conclusion by switching on my TV,   any channel you care to try.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on May 02, 2014, 11:43:12 AM
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Where does his"title"of "celebrity chef" come from.  I've never heard of him until this debacle with the skip.  The only thing he seems famous for is the delays in getting something moving on the installation and opening of his sandwich shop!

He was once a winner on Great British Menu and got to cook for the Queen!  But I think a lot of his TV work has been on S4C and a lot has been in Welsh so he's probably more of a celebrity in areas that have Welsh speakers.  He is however one of my niece's all-time heros (even though she's not a Welsh speaker) and it would probably be the greatest moment of her life if she could get a job at his gaff.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: systema on May 02, 2014, 02:55:29 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryn_Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryn_Williams)

From the many times I have seen him on TV he seems to be a very talented chef and he also pushes "Welsh produce" at every opportunity and I hope to be able to eat there when it is up and running - if he does Veggie food (2 more here).
He was on BBC 1 Spring Kitchen programme earlier in the week  --  BBC iPlayer - Spring Kitchen with Tom Kerridge: Episode 7 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042rwz8/)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 14, 2014, 11:22:26 AM
I finally got around to drafting a FoI request to the council. I haven't sent it yet - just wanted to get your feedback on the wording, and whether there's anything I should add (although I don't want to put too much in it).

I request the following information regarding Porth Eirias watersports facility:

1. Summary of total expenditure to date, including:

a) Building costs, architects' fees, etc: all contracts relating to construction and fitting of the building.
b) All expenditure to date on running and maintaining the building, all daily utilities, cleaning and security costs, reception employees, etc.
c) All expenditure to date regarding the community interest company, Colwyn Bay Watersports, and the planned Bryn Williams bistro.
d) All expenditure on special projects, promotions, advertising, submissions for awards, etc, regarding the Porth Eirias building and the facilities it provides.

2. Summary of total income received, including:

a) Rent or hire of facilities at Porth Eirias.
b) Grants or awards specifically for the watersports building and its facilities (but not for wider sea defence work, etc).

3. Summary of any future-projected expenditure and income, as above.

(Please note: the request applies to the Porth Eirias watersports building and the landscaping/fittings in its immediate vicinity, but NOT to the wider work involved in sea defences, restructured beach, etc.)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 14, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
Your letter seems to be well drafted and succinct.  However they may opt not to give some answers on the basis of the information being sensitive, or privileged.   
If you haven't read it, may I suggest you read the Act itself as this lists the exceptions.

I have used the Act on a number of occasions and can only say that CCBC have always been most helpful.   

Send it by recorded delivery and watch the 20 day deadline, with a reminder to them if things seem to be dragging.

 ££$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 14, 2014, 01:34:15 PM
Thanks for that, Yorkie. What do you think of using the online facility, which automatically publishes replies? There's an interesting one here from Tom Davidson (the Weekly News reporter, I think):

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ratesrent_paid_by_bryn_williams#comment-47393 (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ratesrent_paid_by_bryn_williams#comment-47393)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on June 14, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
A good indication of their ability to avoid providing some information.

I personally prefer sending a letter, but the open forum is probably just as good, except you disclose your own details for fanatics to challenge you.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on June 30, 2014, 07:14:16 PM
Its now later in the year and all the "papers" are signed, any news of the new restaurant or is this not the year refered to?? How long before CCBC get their new canteen?  ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 01, 2014, 08:07:50 PM
   I had always thought that sand was sand. Full stop. But I am having a rethink after watching the waterfront redevelopment. I think there must be different grades or different granular weights or something.
   Since this started last year I have been intrigued by the apparent meaningless action of pushing one Hugh mound of sand one way. Then shifting it back again. Then putting it in a pile on one spot. Then spreading it out. Or even pushing it out to sea at low water, presumably never to be seen again apart from by the fish.
  Anyway, right up to date. Whilst the tide is low I.e. Around 5 pm every day, a 360 degree Jcb sets to work loading a large dump truck. With sand from the old colwyn side of the pier. This dump truck then sets off on a long journey, all the way to the east end of the Cayley embankment, and then spills this sand somewhere around the low water mark.
  This goes on for a fair time. At least fifteen journeys before they presumably pack up for the night.
   Now I know there is a lot of surplus sand at the old colwyn end stopping the tide coming in whilst the building work is going on. And it obviously has to be moved. But my puzzle is, why not just take it to the waters edge and let the tide shift it?
   There must be a very good reason for this. Years ago a 360 degree Jcb came in at £100 an hour inc the operator. the dump truck must be somewhere near the same. So this operation is costing a fair wack
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 02, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
 No response, not even Fester. However I will persist with addiction to construction jobs.
  Forget all about yesterday's post, the mysterious (to me) of sand a quarter of a mile. But the same area.
  I learnt from this forum about three years ago that apparently there is a type of small stream that starts it's life around The old Pwllychrocan hotel, now part of Rydal school. Heads towards the sea via the old Penrhos college and on to the beach. I recall that DaveR of all people hinted here, on this forum, that it was not unknown for Rydal schoolboys to enter some type of tunnel in the hope of gaining instant access to Penrhos schoolgirls. But that is a different matter.
  Now to the beach. Part of the present work involved laying a concrete bed from the streams exit to low water mark.on top of this bed very substantial precast concrete tunnel. And then, surrounding bed and tunnel with a concrete skin. So now, no more wet beaches, excellent.
  Then sand was slowly bulldozed from the toad hall area to this pipe, very gradually and with much pushing and shoving of sand, by now on both sides, to start to cover this concrete surrounded pipe.
Excellent again, the first 40 yards of so now covered.
  But now, today, two diggers have worked hard and made a sloping Chanel on both sides of this pipe. Just as if it needed some type of protection every year or so, like paint on a wooden structure. Again this has been costly. First build up the sand, then drag it away.
  Any budding civil engineers any ideas about this? I am completely baffled. Yorkie is a hoist and lower crane man in his time. What are your ideas?.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 02, 2014, 09:01:07 PM
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it was not unknown for Rydal schoolboys to enter some type of tunnel in the hope of gaining instant access to Penrhos schoolgirls

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I'm sure it wasn't :-)))))))))

Mike: the master of euphemism :-))))
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 02, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
   Oh, so thats what I am, is it?  I suppose I could say that I spend all my days in a highly elevated area of sporting excellence with an environmentally friendly arena of longer than usual grass.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2014, 07:05:48 AM
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...and hyperbole :-)))))
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 03, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
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  Any budding civil engineers any ideas about this? I am completely baffled. Yorkie is a hoist and lower crane man in his time. What are your ideas?.

You hit the nail on the head, Mike.  Civil Engineering is generally below ground.  I was more concerned with going up than down.  Such as the Nat West Tower, Multi Story Flats, Hospitals, Office Blocks and even the Humber Bridge!
Can't help, sorry!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: peterh on July 03, 2014, 07:25:41 PM
The mystery of the outfall continues as a trench has now been excavated on each side around 1.4m deep for its entire length with the sand piled up each side. The tide has now come in and the trenches are flooded with then a probable ingress of the recently deposited sand. Why i just do not know.

It just gets worse and worse!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on July 04, 2014, 10:35:02 AM
Apparently one of the work crew lost a dental implant with a diamond in it a couple of weeks ago and the're still searching for it.
 :twoface: :twoface: :twoface: :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
Not happy at all! Went to visit the skip and walking on the roof, I suddenly fell over and landed on my face! I had tripped over one of the stupidly placed concrete blocks! Looking at the view you can't notice them! I have two cuts to my top lip, bad cut on the nose and a cut above my nose and I expect bruising to come! My sun glasses were broken and a very nice watch has scratches on it now! I have filled out an accident form there, hand written a letter of complaint as they have no complaints forms! The sooner this dammed skip is demolished the better!  $angry$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 17, 2014, 04:54:47 PM
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Not happy at all! Went to visit the skip and walking on the roof, I suddenly fell over and landed on my face! I had tripped over one of the stupidly placed concrete blocks! Looking at the view you can't notice them! I have two cuts to my top lip, bad cut on the nose and a cut above my nose and I expect bruising to come! My sun glasses were broken and a very nice watch has scratches on it now! I have filled out an accident form there, hand written a letter of complaint as they have no complaints forms! The sooner this dammed skip is demolished the better!  $angry$

Sorry to hear of your trauma.
No win no fee sounds like the order of the day, go for it.  Photographs of the place and your injuries essential.  Hospit attendance details if you went to A & E.  Good Luck.   Looks like about £16k to me with an out of court settlement.     ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
Sorry to hear about that, ME. Hope things heal quickly.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on July 17, 2014, 05:34:20 PM
So sorry to hear of your accident ,I did the same last year but was lucky ,last week we took a walk along there what a mess that walkway is like a jungle , we walked around the far side ( where the boats are). Someone had left a container of white spirits ,and 2tins of yellow paint open ,went in and told the guy on the desk , he looked and said it's ok the top is on the white spirits  :rage: 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Back from the hospital, superglue on top lip, black eye on the way, swollen bottom lip, our friends are witnesses, will be interesting to see the council's response! The doctor also advised me to take photographs of the idiotic concrete blocks and it is on record that I attended the hospital. I dislike the monstrous skip even more now it has attacked me! The chap at the desk said the blocks are benches to sit on! He also said he'd never heard it called 'the skip' before! He must be the only one!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 17, 2014, 07:14:33 PM
Sorry to hear of your accident, ME. I bet you're not the first person to collide with those concrete blocks. They are stupidly placed, at a uniformly low level, the same bright colour as the roof, and without any visual features to catch the peripheral vision. There's a lot of glare on that roof with all the light surfaces - sunglasses are essential I've found (making it more likely for people to not notice the blocks when admiring the view). Another failure of the architects, I think.

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on July 17, 2014, 07:40:44 PM
So sorry to hear that ME. That's all you need. Dangerous places these skips.
I can't find a photo of the blocks on the roof but these at the lower level also look a bit lethal.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2014, 09:06:16 PM
I went back to the skip this evening to photograph these daft blocks, my blood stains were still there! You would have thought that they could have cleaned it up! As BMD said hard to see these blocks in the sun!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 17, 2014, 09:13:51 PM
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So sorry to hear that ME. That's all you need. Dangerous places these skips.
I can't find a photo of the blocks on the roof but these at the lower level also look a bit lethal.

I wonder if any part of the skip is fit for purpose?  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 17, 2014, 11:53:53 PM
Andy.... keep away from the damned thing, it keeps hurting you!   8)
You attacked it first, and now it's getting it's own back...

Seriously though,  you look like a real bruiser with your 'trophy injuries'    ... and I would not mess with you!   :P
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2014, 08:07:02 AM
 :laugh: Yes, this morning I have woken up with a bruised leg, aching back, sore lower lip and a headache! All because some wally thought it would be a good idea to dump low concrete blocks on the top of the skip! Beware! Porth Erias is not just an eyesore, it is many accidents waiting to happen! I'll be giving the skip a wide berth from now on!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2014, 08:39:50 AM
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Yes, this morning I have woken up with a bruised leg, aching back, sore lower lip and a headache!
Have you been on a night out with Fester?  :laugh:

Seriously, bad luck, ME, that was a nasty tumble.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 18, 2014, 10:17:26 AM
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  I'll be giving the skip a wide berth from now on!  &shake&

If you go there on a week end they will not let you park your car! Everything seems to be reserved for the Water Ski Clubs et al.    >>>
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on July 18, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
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:laugh: Yes, this morning I have woken up with a bruised leg, aching back, sore lower lip and a headache! All because some wally thought it would be a good idea to dump low concrete blocks on the top of the skip! Beware! Porth Erias is not just an eyesore, it is many accidents waiting to happen! I'll be giving the skip a wide berth from now on!  &shake&

CLAIM--- I did when I fell down a hole in the pavement-- keep your photos and make sure that your GP knows the facts. And before any clever beggar jumps in-- I am tee-total, so I wasn't under the influence ! :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2014, 10:56:30 AM
I have every intention of claiming, just need to have a word with a friend who is well up on legal matters!

Yorkie, the water ski people are welcome to the damned place! I wonder how much they pay to use it? In fact it would be interesting to see the accounts of the place, very little income and huge outgoings I should think!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on July 18, 2014, 11:04:44 AM
On a positive note Mr Hollins has used the dinghy sailing hire a few times recently and has only praise for the facilities and the guys that work there. He says they are very knowledgeable and helpful. He has hired a dinghy and has had tuition. It cost £35 for half a day to hire a dinghy.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 18, 2014, 11:06:50 AM
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I wonder how much they pay to use it? In fact it would be interesting to see the accounts of the place, very little income and huge outgoings I should think!

On that score, I'm expecting a reply to my FoI request soon (they're already legally overdue in replying - no surprise there).

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir/new (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir/new)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2014, 11:11:51 AM
The reply to that should make for very interesting reading!
Hollins glad one part of the skip is working well!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2014, 11:36:41 AM
Indeed; any response will be fascinating to see.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 19, 2014, 12:10:48 AM
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On a positive note Mr Hollins has used the dinghy sailing hire a few times recently and has only praise for the facilities and the guys that work there. He says they are very knowledgeable and helpful. He has hired a dinghy and has had tuition. It cost £35 for half a day to hire a dinghy.

I am tempted to take a day off from my pathetic existence and hire a dinghy.    (Is it like a canoe?)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on July 19, 2014, 07:56:24 PM
The Council held a meeting on Friday to discuss parking charges and it has been agreed to extend Llandudno's North Shore on-road parking scheme to Colwyn Bay and Kinmel Bay promenades.

Not sure if the parking charges will then be increased.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 20, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
  First time I've ever heard of a Kinmel Bay prom. It's got a car park close to Asda, a bit of a road in Sandy Cove used by residents and that's about all. You can of course walk and cycle along the coastline, but you cannot take cars.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on July 20, 2014, 09:18:55 PM
I wonder if they are referring to the car parking area on the Kinmel Bay side of the new pedestrian Dragon's Bridge?      They did something similar in Colwyn Bay about 20 years ago when they had " Traffic Wardens on cycles"  when you had to pay to park on the Rhos/ Colwyn Bay Promenade.    That didn't go down very well with locals and tourists alike.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on July 21, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
Strangely the car park on the  west side of the harbour is in Denbighshire.

Conwy's Kinmel Bay car park is on St ASaph Avenue North adjacent to Asda.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 22, 2014, 07:27:59 AM
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I have every intention of claiming, just need to have a word with a friend who is well up on legal matters!

Letter to CCBC sent off yesterday, I await their reply!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on July 22, 2014, 08:37:52 AM
"The final precast concrete stepped revetment units are due to be placed this week, which will then see the crane and specialist lifter demobilised.  We are still working hard to address the snagging issues with the surface water outfall in the western extent of the scheme, and will be hoping to publicise a timetable for a section of beach to re-opened along with access details later this week."

Latest from CCBC on Beach Development dated 15/7/14 did anyone see the timetable anywhere???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 22, 2014, 02:52:00 PM
Watched  another 5 dolphins feed and playing off Colwyn Bay last night, viewing from the roof of the watersports centre. Such a treat!! I did watch myself near the cubes though, should have been designed to be rounded off( no sharpe edges. A little dodgy I suppose.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on July 22, 2014, 02:59:07 PM
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Strangely the car park on the  west side of the harbour is in Denbighshire.

Conwy's Kinmel Bay car park is on St ASaph Avenue North adjacent to Asda.


Are you sure about that Alw as the Conwy County map seems to include that little outcrop in Kinmel Bay?     I know that the old Parish Boundaries were strange but it still seems that the part of Kinmel Bay in Denbighshire starts just south of the Railway Bridge
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Cambrian on July 22, 2014, 03:11:51 PM
I think Denbighshire Council own land on the west bank as part of the Foryd development, it does not mean it is within that County.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 23, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
What many of us suspected: CCBC, apparently, will be paying for alterations to Porth Eirias - to accommodate Bryn Williams' kitchen. CCBC will consider a report (in August) about the cost of the structural changes needed.

From tomorrow's Weekly News:

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2014, 07:59:50 PM
And it will, after all the hype, be the BIGGEST FLOP IN TOWN.

 _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 23, 2014, 08:44:11 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 23, 2014, 09:29:13 PM
 $good$  $good$  _))*  _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 23, 2014, 09:41:11 PM
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What many of us suspected: CCBC, apparently, will be paying for alterations to Porth Eirias - to accommodate Bryn Williams' kitchen. CCBC will consider a report (in August) about the cost of the structural changes needed.

Why can't Bryn's kitchen be adapted to fit the building? Although as we know the design is awful! And if the skip is unsuitable, why doesn't he open his Bistro somewhere else? I still believe that a bistro is completely wrong for that location, it needs simple tea, coffee, cold drinks, chips, burgers etc by a beach!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on July 23, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
I did say a few weeks ago  off a good source the cost was roundabout £200,000 to fit his kitchen ,some kitchen that's going to be ,plus the extra money for the councilers free nosh.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 23, 2014, 11:22:33 PM
  going back seven or eight posts the subject got way off C.B. waterfront and a few members started writing about a bit of Denbighshire on the west side of the blue bridge
   So I will carry on here and say that in the early 1960s the Rhyl bin men used to travel over the bridge, turn left before the Harbour Hotel (or whatever it is now called) and collect one bin from the house built where the old bridge supports can still be seen, going back to the 1920s. And then go all the way back to Rhyl.
  This was all to do with town and/or county borders except that the western side of the bridge was then Denbighshire (thats right, Denbighshire has moved lock stock and barrel from one side of the bridge to the other) and the eastern side was Flintshire.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Mikethewatch on July 23, 2014, 11:24:44 PM
Why are CCBC so keen to have this Bistro and what benefit, if any will it give the local ratepayers?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 23, 2014, 11:34:32 PM
Mike, I think they are desperate to get some income on the Skip / White elephant to try to justify it's existence! We still await the overdue reply to BMD's FOI request about costs etc. I also await the reply to my claim over my fall last week!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 24, 2014, 08:08:25 AM
In  the year 2013/2014 the Ski Club generated £6,375 for the use of the skip and facilities.  Not a lot, but every bit helps.  If it were also allowed to be used by the general public it could probably make a lot more!

 :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 24, 2014, 06:49:23 PM
Here's the link to the Daily Post piece on "additional funding... required to carry out the structural changes and fit-out" of Porth Eirias:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/colwyn-bay-conwy-council-considers-7497759 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/colwyn-bay-conwy-council-considers-7497759)

(I think the person who wrote the headline misunderstood - it's not £3.7m for the proposed alterations).

Meanwhile, David Jones MP says he's sent an FoI request to CCBC for detailed information regarding what's happening with the Bryn Williams bistro lease.

I may suggest to the FoI online site (whatdotheyknow.com) that any requests to CCBC are automatically signed "May the farce be with you!", rather than the standard "yours faithfully").

STOP PRESS: Tom Davidson has tweeted that he's heard the proposed cost of Porth Eirias refit will be "around £300K". That's a lot of dosh to make it a fit place for a kitchen! How many people will they have to serve with bistro-style fish 'n' chips before they make that much money back? 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 24, 2014, 07:22:10 PM
Meanwhile the supporters of the skip say the pier is unsustainable!  &shake&  What a gold mine the skip appears to be (not!)  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 24, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
I think David Jones MP gets it. He's now tweeted:

"Question has to be asked whether Council had any clear notion of what to do with @PorthEirias when they commissioned its construction".

When you add the pier into the equation, you would hope that the scales finally fall from the eyes of those who regard what's happened as anything but a disgrace.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 24, 2014, 09:26:57 PM
I said a long time ago it was as if they had a lot of cash and no idea what to do with it, so they built the skip and now they have no idea what to do with it!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 25, 2014, 08:31:50 AM
The whole Porth Eirias saga is an unbelievable mess. It's as though they thought that constructing a simple building offering traditional seaside facilities was beneath them. A brand new building needing another £300,000 of our money for alterations is appalling. It's about time there was a full enquiry into this whole mess. CCBC have excelled themselves this time.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 25, 2014, 08:56:20 AM
Why don't they tell this Bryn bloke, if he's not happy with it go somewhere else and then have a simple seaside cafe instead?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on July 25, 2014, 09:21:32 AM
Apart from the kitchen shape, what I cannot see is how they think the space is suitable for a restaurant/bistro. To me it looks much like a foyer to a theatre or cinema. It is an odd shape with external doors going off it and to me not very conducive to enjoying a meal.
Maybe they have a plan to cordon off an area of the public space but then this would be a bit like eating in an airport terminal.
We were once shown around by an employee and he said, "Think how romantic it will be with candles on the tables enjoying a meal in the evening." I have to admit that I couldn't see it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 25, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
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A brand new building needing another £300,000 of our money for alterations is appalling. It's about time there was a full enquiry into this whole mess. CCBC have excelled themselves this time.

The more of these issues that arise, the clearer it becomes that CCBC paid officials in the highly lucrative senior management posts obviously regard themselves as being aboard the gravy train to end all gravy trains. From this current mess, to the state of what ought to be the premier attractions, such as (un)Happy Valley, to the continuously unavailable swimming pool. to the gym that isn't safe to be used if the air conditioning stops for a while to the interestingly converted retirements into suspiciously lucrative 'redundancies' for their own, there are really only two conclusions it seems possible to draw: either they're simply not up to the jobs for which they're very well paid or they're utterly contemptuous of the fact that they're paid by the taxpayers of the county. 

The arguments advanced for paying the top management so much are always the same: these sort of amounts have to be paid to get the best people for the job. Clearly, we're not getting even adequate people for the job, so perhaps it's time to press for a formal inquiry via the Assembly into the competence of the senior paid management of CCBC.  The evidence of possible incompetence or even malfeasance seems pretty clear and I agree totally that we need an inquiry.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 25, 2014, 10:12:46 AM
The only thing is to get a petition going, on this Forum if one likes, to mount a challenge to the Council and request an Official enquiry into the various matters of concern.

There is a web site for petitions but I don't know it myself, someone else will no doubt.

 $walesflag$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 25, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
Circus Clowns Borough Council? They seem to be clueless, but if they get rid of them no doubt they will each get a large payout when they are fired  (or in CCBC language, made redundant! )
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 25, 2014, 10:31:44 AM
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We were once shown around by an employee and he said, "Think how romantic it will be with candles on the tables enjoying a meal in the evening." I have to admit that I couldn't see it.

 _))*  _))*  _))* did you manage not to laugh when they told you that? About as romantic as an industrial unit!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on July 25, 2014, 11:02:13 AM
No, I was on my best behaviour and smiled politely. Glad it isn't just me though.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 25, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
Funding for PE!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2014, 09:52:44 PM
Perhaps instead of a restaurant,  it would be more appropriate for Port Erias to host Fred Karno's Circus?   Featuring several of CCBC's finest Senior managers?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on July 25, 2014, 10:56:55 PM
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Why don't they tell this Bryn bloke, if he's not happy with it go somewhere else and then have a simple seaside cafe instead?

I agree with a seaside cafe, with tables and umbrellas outside and traditional bucket and spade stuff. Somewhere folk off the beach can go thats clean and pleasant to sit and look at the beach maybe a deck chair hire. Im not so sure this Bistro is in the right place as folk come off the beach to use the toilets in the building and the water taps by the steps to wash off the sand. Also in good weather it has become the in place to be for the youngsters in the late afternoon /evening, .I dont think a higher class eaterie will blend with that .  Having said that if this place is to come about, i will be giving it a try.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: peterh on July 26, 2014, 07:30:09 AM
I too believe a Bistro type facility would be out of place, a simple cafe selling good hot drinks, snacks and sandwiches would be far better and I just cannot see an intimate dining experience being created. If there were nice panoramic windows overlooking the see that would be a different story but we have what we have and the architects, CCBC and everyone else who have contributed to the shambles must be called to account. As for the additional kitchen costs  they should be shouldered by the the tenant and most certainly not by the ratepayers. Again if what has been designed is not fit for purpose the then in a business environment the designers should sort it out at no cost.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 26, 2014, 12:56:50 PM
Today, I was informed by a very reliable source that all the delay is firmly at the doorstep of CCBC.  They apparently have failed to undertake due works.   The full story must out soon!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 26, 2014, 08:43:23 PM
 Romantic restaurant with candles etc. what a shame there would be no sea view.

 Would it be better with a sea view?

 There used to be a romantic candle lit restaurant with an elevated sea view.  Called the 70 degrees. And we all know what happened to that
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 27, 2014, 01:37:33 AM
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Romantic restaurant with candles etc. what a shame there would be no sea view.

 Would it be better with a sea view?

 There used to be a romantic candle lit restaurant with an elevated sea view.  Called the 70 degrees. And we all know what happened to that

I don't ..... pray tell?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 27, 2014, 07:33:20 AM
It was demolished. Used to be perched on the top of the cliff as you leave Colwyn Bay.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on July 27, 2014, 08:28:37 AM
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Why don't they tell this Bryn bloke, if he's not happy with it go somewhere else and then have a simple seaside cafe instead?

Because it's status building to be associated with a celebrity chef. They would give Two million for Michel Roux junior. It's about the councils' ego not whats good for the area. A quote heard relating to this in the "Temple of Waste"...... "This is not about the Bucket and Spade Brigade".    ??? ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 27, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
I would have thought that a beach cafe was exactly about the bucket and spade brigade! What nonsense these clowns seem to come out with!  I see all the exposed wiring and pipe work is still exposed in the ceiling, ( I was told it was meant to look industrial!) an ideal look for a romantic bistro!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 27, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
I recall the old restaurant saying about 'beware your eyes being bigger than your belly'. CCBC's eyes are certainly bigger than their belly, they are incapable of setting up any form of business successfully and I see no reason why they should even be trying to. The catering element of the Porth Eirias building should have been let out to the highest bidder, who could run whatever form of catering they thought viable.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on July 27, 2014, 11:42:30 PM
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I recall the old restaurant saying about 'beware your eyes being bigger than your belly'. CCBC's eyes are certainly bigger than their belly, they are incapable of setting up any form of business successfully and I see no reason why they should even be trying to. The catering element of the Porth Eirias building should have been let out to the highest bidder, who could run whatever form of catering they thought viable.

Whilst feasting on tapas in The Gresham this evening, my Mum said to me that 'my eyes were bigger than my belly', meaning that I had ordered too much food.
However, now that I am home and my waistband is BURSTING at the seams, I now see that my Mother is actually wrong.   NOTHING is bigger than my belly, and my belly is currently bigger than Port Erias itself!    (Burp)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 28, 2014, 09:05:31 PM
 At last a start has been made at opening the new beach. From opposite the end of the Cayley embankment to opposite the first set of toilets is now open. A good few dog walkers were on the beach this evening. Not sure about whether or not the dogs should be there,
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 28, 2014, 09:09:11 PM
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At last a start has been made at opening the new beach. From opposite the end of the Cayley embankment to opposite the first set of toilets is now open. A good few dog walkers were on the beach this evening. Not sure about whether or not the dogs should be there,

The dogs have to crapp somewhere, Mike, and with the promenade staff helping all the water sports folk at the Skip, and unable to chase dog poo offenders, no doubt the beach and water will lose its Blue Flag status!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 28, 2014, 09:15:30 PM
I noticed the other day that workmen were building what appeared to be a large LED sign on the grass bank behind the toilet block on the other side of the road to Porth Eirias. Anyone know what it's for?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 29, 2014, 07:25:23 AM
Probably a sign pointing at the skip saying 'Warning, money pit skip! '  :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 29, 2014, 08:19:19 AM
Probably a mis-spelt sign saying, "POO HERE" . . . . . . . _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on July 29, 2014, 09:52:03 AM
Bryn Williams' menu board.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: bigbadhenry on July 29, 2014, 03:09:12 PM
Porth Eirias: cost to refit for Bryn's bistro is CONFIRMED to be between £300,000-£400,000.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Mikethewatch on July 29, 2014, 04:29:40 PM
Given CCBC's record we can probably double that !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 29, 2014, 04:37:35 PM
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Porth Eirias: cost to refit for Bryn's bistro is CONFIRMED to be between £300,000-£400,000.

Should not be allowed! How can so called experts approve plans for a building that is not fit for purpose (in many ways including being dangerous!) how can it be so wrong? You could build several houses for that price! How do they expect to recover those costs? What rent will Bryn be paying I wonder? I also wonder how long he will remain open for in that location! Silly Skip!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on July 29, 2014, 06:12:55 PM
A little bird tells me that Bryn will no longer be opening at Porth Eirias, no official word as yet of course
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 29, 2014, 07:56:49 PM
I said all along, more chance of Fanny Craddock opening a bistro in there!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 29, 2014, 08:01:53 PM
The whole episode is turning into a bigger farce than has ever been at the Whitehall Theatre!   The whole Council and its Officers, need firing.   I also think that a very strong complaint should be lodged with the Local Government Ombudsman, not that it would do any good, they are all just one of a kind!
 :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 29, 2014, 08:05:12 PM
Just saw this on Oscar!

 Anonymous said...
Just been on North Wales Weekly News FB page, and the decision re: giving him money and how much its going to be, is to be decided 'behind closed doors' due to 'commercial sensitivity'...so basically we will not know how much PUBLIC money is being given to this venture...the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

29 July 2014 13:17
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 30, 2014, 11:00:43 AM
I've received a reply to my Foi request on Porth Eirias: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir#incoming-544550 (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir#incoming-544550)

Some important parts seem to be missing, eg reference to "See attached which includes the planned bistro/food offer". It's not attached as far as I can see.

The other information is sparse. But it's interesting to see that the total income it has made is between £13K and £16.5K, depending on whether you include some vague addition for "Tourism/Leisure Contribution".

The cost of running it is put at £104K
Plus £69K for miscellaneous promotions, advertising, etc.
Total construction cost is put at £3.6m; and design team fees at £320K.

I'll be sending them a few follow-up questions. The employee costs seem on low side (they don't cite the period, but it's supposed be since it was opened) - as do maintenance costs (only £676).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 30, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
Interesting that they have to pay Crown Estates 10% of all Gross Income, in addition to a rental fee for the site.  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on July 30, 2014, 12:05:16 PM
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I've received a reply to my Foi request on Porth Eirias: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir#incoming-544550 (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir#incoming-544550)

Some important parts seem to be missing, eg reference to "See attached which includes the planned bistro/food offer". It's not attached as far as I can see.

The other information is sparse. But it's interesting to see that the total income it has made is between £13K and £16.5K, depending on whether you include some vague addition for "Tourism/Leisure Contribution".

The cost of running it is put at £104K
Plus £69K for miscellaneous promotions, advertising, etc.
Total construction cost is put at £3.6m; and design team fees at £320K.


The figures you have differ somewhat from the figures they sent me!   Funny, I thought, funny!  Could just hear Dudley Moore uttering those words!   
 :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 30, 2014, 12:32:51 PM
Yorkie, I saw the earlier info you posted - the total £11,345,612 grant matched the figure they supplied to me. This figure is pretty useless, though, as it includes funding for promenade enhancement, road improvement, etc. There's no way to tell how much of it has gone to Porth Eirias.

I'd be interested to see any other info they sent you, and to compare it with the stuff they've just sent me.

By the way, does anyone know what "Attendants (CLC/TIC)" refers to? It one of the Porth Eirias employees expenses, and came to a total of £8,798. Is it security? Seems low as a total.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 30, 2014, 12:42:30 PM
I assume it refers to the people who occasionally man the Reception Desk?

CLC = Colwyn leisure Centre, TIC = Tourist Information Centre.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 30, 2014, 12:58:45 PM
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I assume it refers to the people who occasionally man the Reception Desk?

CLC = Colwyn leisure Centre, TIC = Tourist Information Centre.

Yes, that would make sense - and would explain why it's low (as sometimes the supervisor, and sometimes informally - and presumably unpaid - the CB watersports guys take reception desk duties).

It suggests they've excluded security costs entirely from the list.

One other thing that strikes me - they got a mere £1,500 in tenant rental, in total, presumably from Colwyn Bay Watersports. That's a remarkably low amount for expensive, purpose-built "flagship" facilities.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on July 30, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Hi guys,

Tom Davidson from the Weekly News here. Just wanted to say thanks to BMD for the FOI request - a lot of my attempts in the past have been rebuffed. Some very interesting figures revealed which I have used for the paper tomorrow, along with a write up on Monday's report with refit figure.


For all the news I get on ongoing Porth Eirias debacle you can follow me on Twitter @weeklynewsbay - I will be live tweeting from Monday's scrutiny meeting. Although if the report remains exempt I won't have much to tweet about!

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on July 30, 2014, 03:21:06 PM
Thanks, Tom. Hopefully they'll eventually see that it's not doing them much good keeping these things secretive. Keep up the good work on the Weekly News!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 30, 2014, 03:46:41 PM
Indeed.  Good to have you on board.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on July 30, 2014, 04:06:10 PM
Glad to be on board - I've been snooping on here for stories for a while now. Figured it was time to out myself!

Blue Peter filming at Porth Eirias tomorrow. If your kids want to be involved they should head down there at 1pm, so I've heard.

First I heard was tweet this afternoon - Conwy haven't sent out a release.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 30, 2014, 04:09:15 PM
Blue Peter seem to like this area.  They were filming on the Orme two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on July 30, 2014, 04:12:08 PM
They filmed on Orme last year as well - to do with Wales Rally GB I think.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on July 30, 2014, 04:14:17 PM
That's right. This was to do with trying out climbing and caving, apparently.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 30, 2014, 05:10:45 PM
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Glad to be on board - I've been snooping on here for stories for a while now. Figured it was time to out myself!

Blue Peter filming at Porth Eirias tomorrow. If your kids want to be involved they should head down there at 1pm, so I've heard.

First I heard was tweet this afternoon - Conwy haven't sent out a release.

Welcome Tom, better warn Blue Peter people to be careful on the skip, it is a dangerous place as I found out a couple of weeks ago! Re my claim, I had a reply from Councillor Edwards who came round in person with a letter saying I would be hearing from the council's insurance company, still waiting for that to arrive! Watch out for those concrete blocks!   ££$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: peterh on July 30, 2014, 07:52:24 PM
If the costs for the kitchen refurb is £300k-£400k then for the relatively small kitchen / servery area as it is at this time these costs are ludicrous. In an earlier life I designed, procured and managed large building services installations a number of which included far larger catering kitchen installations that this one in question.   I understood there was always going to be an eatery of sorts and the current servery area was set out and as such all of the services for this area should have been installed at the outset and not now. As for the servery being circular and not being acceptable again it should not have been designed that way but by clever use of custom made stainless steel infill panels between each of the appliances a perfectly serviceable kitchen could be provided that would satisfy all current regulations at a fraction of the costs being discussed and within the existing space.

The purpose of these comments is to go back to an earlier post stating that clearly the building is not fit for purpose and CCBC and the architects must accept their responsibilities accordingly .




Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on July 30, 2014, 09:16:17 PM
That was very interesting peterh and puts the whole farce into perspective, someone or all of the Councillors must be accountable for this mismanagement of public money.
On a positive note, thank goodness they didn't close those Kiosks on Rhos Prom.    I went past the one with the pink car outside and business was booming.    The people who run the kiosks deserve everything for their hard work and the quality of food they deliver.   It just goes to show that they are catering for the needs of the tourists and locals alike. So well done to them.      $good$         
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on July 30, 2014, 10:56:21 PM
  I drive past both kiosks every day but, for no apparent reason, I always seem to notice the pink car one the most. However early I am - say 8.45 - and however late I am, maybe 7.30 in the evening, the pink car is still there and the kiosk going strong. And I think I put in a fair days work. Nothing compared to the pink car owners
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on July 31, 2014, 01:10:26 PM
And like ourselves Mike-- they are no spring chickens !! ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on July 31, 2014, 06:03:53 PM
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Glad to be on board - I've been snooping on here for stories for a while now. Figured it was time to out myself!
Welcome to the Forum, Tom.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2014, 08:04:30 PM
I finally got to look at the watersports facility up close and personal today instead of driving past. Not impressed one little bit, a monstrous waste putting it mildly. Going inside I was disgusted that this multi million pound construction looked filthy, the floors hadn't been swept or washed for several days. Underneath two of I think maybe 4 tables was a build up of grime, dirt, sand,food and dried spilt coffee. I mentioned to one of the two people who were manning the place that I could see why it's been nicknamed "the Skip", his reply was " that's what happens when the instructors come in for lunch" to which I replied " it's what happens when no one cleans up after them" He said they had only just left. No way was that accumulation of dirt just left.
Would I open a top restaurant here... . No way !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 03, 2014, 08:31:02 PM
The place is a joke, but we can't laugh at it as we are all paying for the monstrosity!  &shake&
I'm still waiting to here about my claim from CCBC, although last Monday Councillor Edwards came round with a letter for me from himself saying that it would be passed on to the council's insurers, I thought it was very good of him to call round like that!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 04, 2014, 11:02:34 AM
Given that CCBC are discussing a potential £400K spending on alterations, I hope they take the opportunity to take a step back, and reconsider the place's function. I don't see how it's going to be financially "sustainable", even if a bistro or cafe does get set up. The figures published show the problem.

It's a large building. Much of the space is poorly utilised (or not utilised at all). Although there's probably not much that can be done about the oversized toilet-and-corridor block (which takes up the whole zinc skip section), they could reconsider the ample space that's currently set aside for conference rooms, and the central section with the pointless big round reception desk, and the space around it that seems wasted.

It needs some imagination. What kind of fun things do people want at a seaside? Look at all the seaside stuff on, say, Llandudno pier. Now imagine Llandudno pier with conference rooms and giant windowless block of corridors and changing roooms replacing the end arcade section.

Currently Porth Eirias has all the "ambience" of a council meeting room. (And that's probably because most of the design input came from people who spend most of their time in council meeting rooms!).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 04, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
Hi guys,

As you may have already gathered press and public were kicked out this morning - a real blow for democracy I say.

Look out for tomorrow's Daily Post for some fairly incendiary quotes from David Jones MP. If it goes online before then I'll post a link.

Only three councillors voted to make discussion open to public, Cllrs Donald Milne, Janet Howarth and Sara Allardice.

A recommendation has been made to Cabinet for Tuesday August 12.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: born2run on August 04, 2014, 04:53:37 PM
three out of how many Tom?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 04, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
There was 11 on Scrutiny who could vote.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 04, 2014, 05:17:01 PM
Hi Tom,    Hope you print, what you said above, let everybody know.........
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2014, 05:37:37 PM
It's outrageous.  These people are answerable to their electorate, they have no right to attempt to cover up the obvious mismanagement. Name names and vote them off.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 04, 2014, 06:19:20 PM
Here's the story guys - don't know what is wrong with subhead - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-mp-fears-facility-7561330 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-mp-fears-facility-7561330)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 04, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
Good.  Let's hope something comes of it.  CCBC aren't having a good season thus far.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 04, 2014, 06:32:33 PM
This is the NEW DEMOCRACY, a method of governing the peopl, for the people by a rag bag of so called Councillors, who promise Heaven and deliver Hell.

It is impossible to believe one word that they say!  They are the self appointed elite who believe they know best, but actually haven't a clue about what the Electorate want and need.   Charlatons, carpetbaggers, the lot of them!
 :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 04, 2014, 07:33:35 PM
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Here's the story guys - don't know what is wrong with subhead - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-mp-fears-facility-7561330 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-mp-fears-facility-7561330)
Thanks for keeping us updated, Tom.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 04, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
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It's outrageous.  These people are answerable to their electorate, they have no right to attempt to cover up the obvious mismanagement. Name names and vote them off.
Well said, Dave, and well done to those councillors who tried for an open discussion .
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on August 04, 2014, 09:39:29 PM
If I was Bryn I would be checking my contract and looking for an escape clause before his name gets dragged through the gutter with this fiasco!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on August 05, 2014, 08:26:53 AM
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This is the NEW DEMOCRACY, a method of governing the peopl, for the people by a rag bag of so called Councillors, who promise Heaven and deliver Hell.

It is impossible to believe one word that they say!  They are the self appointed elite who believe they know best, but actually haven't a clue about what the Electorate want and need.   Charlatons, carpetbaggers, the lot of them!
 :rage:

Would someone please remind me when we next have an opportunity to vote as this seems the only way of changing anything.

Perhaps now David Jones is less Westminster occupied he can make some difference.

I look forward to the Councils next press release explaining how they have been so badly misjudged or pehaps they just aren't bothered any more.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 06, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
What do you guys think of Colwyn Bay visitor centre: https://twitter.com/WeeklyNewsBay/status/496938718226579456

It looks a bit grim if you ask me, isn't this what Porth Eirias should be used for?

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 06, 2014, 09:54:23 AM
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What do you guys think of Colwyn Bay visitor centre: https://twitter.com/WeeklyNewsBay/status/496938718226579456

It looks a bit grim if you ask me, isn't this what Porth Eirias should be used for?
That's hilariously bad. You're right, it should be housed in Porth Eirias.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 06, 2014, 10:08:22 AM
I hope it is okay to copy this link on here. Note......."Keep out dangerous building" sign behind the "welcoming" centre.
Someone has got to be taking the .....

https://twitter.com/Gareth_Daniels/status/496397329910759424/photo/1
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
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I was laughing so much I could barely post anything :-))))

And just when you thought internment was long gone...

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2014, 10:18:26 AM
Welcome - to Colwyn Bay.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 06, 2014, 10:20:56 AM
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What do you guys think of Colwyn Bay visitor centre: https://twitter.com/WeeklyNewsBay/status/496938718226579456 (https://twitter.com/WeeklyNewsBay/status/496938718226579456)

It looks a bit grim if you ask me, isn't this what Porth Eirias should be used for?

Good point. The "visitor centre" sign certainly adds a touch of inadvertent comedy. What a welcome for visitors to the prom! "Prom Xtra" coming up shortly too.

It certainly highlights one important location advantage of the pier over Porth Eirias. Ideally they want something to attract people by foot directly from the town. A renovated pier - even a basic boardwalk - would certainly provide such an attraction (and would make a very nice welcome for visitors). But alas, that's another sad story.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 06, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
I think you're right there - location is everything. Location of Pier is very important in welcoming people to waterfront and drawing people to beach and vice versa. Just a huge shame at the minute this is what tourists will be greeted with.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 06, 2014, 11:17:28 AM
Unbelievable! More like visitor shed!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 06, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
That would be insulting to a shed. How about visitor container?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 06, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
Although I'm quick to criticise CCBC when they deserve it, feel I should clarify this is a contractor installed visitor centre and part of their public liaison operation. Still, the contractors were contracted by council so they still should get some blame.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
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Although I'm quick to criticise CCBC when they deserve it, feel I should clarify this is a contractor installed visitor centre and part of their public liaison operation. Still, the contractors were contracted by council so they still should get some blame.

No doubt you will be in a position to explain to your readers when your writings are due to be published in the local rag!   Maybe rag is a bit impolite, but we won't worry about that.    WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 06, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
I hope you're not implying I would ever intentionally mislead my readers! I do clarify in the story it is a contractor visitor centre.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 12:55:26 PM
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I hope you're not implying I would ever intentionally mislead my readers! I do clarify in the story it is a contractor visitor centre.

My dear Sir.  As I do not know you from Adam there is no way on this Earth that I would ever pass any implication in your direction regarding  make do Tourist Offices or the reason for their appearance.  You may rest assured that your reputation, in my eyes anyway, remains as pure and unsullied as it was prior to this public exchange of correspondence.   I am forever conscious that "The pen is mightier than the sword", and would therefore never choose to have a disagreeable discourse with anyone who wields one for a living, however meagre.
Good luck!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 06, 2014, 01:01:24 PM
I think you're doing a great job, Tom.

Back to the subject at hand, it's ironic that CCBC consider it important to have a Visitor Centre dealing with the Beach Works on the Prom, yet don't bother to have one that actually deals with real Visitor enquiries?  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 06, 2014, 01:15:53 PM
OMG. If the comments flying around are anything to go by I wouldn't want to work there ! :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 01:46:12 PM
Slightly off tack.  We are having a clear out and discovered an old copy of the NWWN with our photograph and announcement when we got married.  On the same section a certain Brian Cossey and his wife had their picture, that was August 1972. 

Ever grateful for the paper over the intervening years and the reporters who keep us entertained and in the know.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 06, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
Thanks for the positive words.

Anyone read The Pioneer today? They quote a taxi company owner from Denbigh saying Bryn is still "100% committed" to Porth Eirias bistro.

Every attempt I've made for quote from the horses mouth has been rebuffed.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
Ah!  But people always talk to their Taxi Drivers as any  London Cabby will tell you!    They hold a plethora of information and intimate secrets that the whole World would love to know.    :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on August 06, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
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Thanks for the positive words.

Anyone read The Pioneer today? They quote a taxi company owner from Denbigh saying Bryn is still "100% committed" to Porth Eirias bistro.

Every attempt I've made for quote from the horses mouth has been rebuffed.

The word in the corridors is that Bryn will be invited to accept the £70,000 worth of alterations agreed in the lease he signed, because there will be absolutely no more cash on offer. 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
That should be enough for him.   You can build a couple of decent houses for that money (excluding cost of land).
 WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 07, 2014, 12:21:07 AM
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  I am forever conscious that "The pen is mightier than the sword",
 ZXZ

Yorkie, I have been pondering this.
Based on this well known assertion,  I have decided to challenge you (or any Forum member) to a duel.

The venue will be Maesdu Fields,  and I will choose the sword.   Thus giving my opponent wielding the pen, an immediate and mortal advantage!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 07, 2014, 06:46:51 AM
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Yorkie, I have been pondering this.
Based on this well known assertion,  I have decided to challenge you (or any Forum member) to a duel.

You do realise that the challenged might email 30 of their mates - a mix of ex-bouncers and Royal Marines in training - to meet you before the bout, thus neatly proving the assertion?   WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 07, 2014, 07:08:10 AM
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  I am forever conscious that "The pen is mightier than the sword",
 ZXZ

The venue will be Maesdu Fields,  and I will choose the sword.   Thus giving my opponent wielding the pen, an immediate and mortal advantage!

OK, I'll have a 007 pen gun!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 07, 2014, 07:26:46 AM
Or the popular AK47 Biro?

 :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 07, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
Mail Online have picked up my visitor centre story. And also seem to think Conwy/Colwyn Bay are one and the same thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719302/Is-grimmest-tourist-attraction-Britain-Visitor-Centre-Welsh-town-ridiculed-workman-s-hut.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719302/Is-grimmest-tourist-attraction-Britain-Visitor-Centre-Welsh-town-ridiculed-workman-s-hut.html)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 08, 2014, 07:13:22 AM
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Mail Online have picked up my visitor centre story. And also seem to think Conwy/Colwyn Bay are one and the same thing.

Well, it is the DFM, after all.  The regard in which they hold their readers is exemplified perfectly by the map with the huge red banner proclaiming 'Colwyn Bay' pointing to the same name on the map itself. 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 08, 2014, 08:02:40 PM
  Lots of things happening in the Porth Eirias car park (sorry Yorkie. Little room for your car---only joking). A nice small hotdog catering van, five portaoosa large mobile public address system, a nicely sign written van and trailer with some energy drink which I had never heard of. It stated prominently that it was alcohol free. I instantly lost interest, I don't know why.
   Lots of banners, cones, barriers, signs stating cycle route and arrows towards old colwyn, lots of fairly large cones out to sea.  It's all about to happen. Or so they hope
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2014, 01:03:09 AM
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  . It stated prominently that it was alcohol free. I instantly lost interest, I don't know why.
   


Mike, my dear friend.... I have no idea what you are on about,  but I have to agree with THAT part!    Z**
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SDQ on August 09, 2014, 06:29:51 AM
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  Lots of things happening in the Porth Eirias car park (sorry Yorkie. Little room for your car---only joking). A nice small hotdog catering van, five portaoosa large mobile public address system, a nicely sign written van and trailer with some energy drink which I had never heard of. It stated prominently that it was alcohol free. I instantly lost interest, I don't know why.
   Lots of banners, cones, barriers, signs stating cycle route and arrows towards old colwyn, lots of fairly large cones out to sea.  It's all about to happen. Or so they hope


'The Eirias' middle distance triathlon is being held at Porth Eirias today, they must have been setting everything up for that.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 09, 2014, 09:48:35 AM
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  Lots of things happening in the Porth Eirias car park (sorry Yorkie. Little room for your car---only joking). A nice small hotdog catering van, five portaoosa large mobile public address system, a nicely sign written van and trailer with some energy drink which I had never heard of. It stated prominently that it was alcohol free. I instantly lost interest, I don't know why.
   Lots of banners, cones, barriers, signs stating cycle route and arrows towards old colwyn, lots of fairly large cones out to sea.  It's all about to happen. Or so they hope

A hot dog van  :o Oh tut tut---Bryn wouldn't like that !!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on August 12, 2014, 08:34:41 AM
Conwy councilers vote today on the skip if they give the go ahead for spending. £ 400,000 of our money on this kitchen ,  how on earth can they justify this waste
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 12, 2014, 08:56:43 AM
I thought councillors are meant to represent the public, I doubt if you will find a single person who would support wasting another £400,000 of OUR MONEY on this huge white elephant better know as The Skip!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 12, 2014, 09:13:06 AM
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Conwy councilers vote today on the skip if they give the go ahead for spending. £ 400,000 of our money on this kitchen ,  how on earth can they justify this waste

I've said it before and I'll say it again, what it needs is for a few thousand of us to march on Bodlondeb, harass our Councillors, get some Petitions going and generally let them know what we want, and more importantly, don't want.

I will support any action, but am now a bit too long in the tooth to organise things.

Do not think that any Councillor will pay any attention to things said on this Forum or the insulting language they receive from some other Forums and Blogs.   Actions speak louder than words!
 $walesflag$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on August 12, 2014, 10:00:31 AM
The Councillors have no intention of allowing more money to be spent on the kitchen, no matter what the officers recommended.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 12, 2014, 10:04:15 AM
Let's hope so!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 12, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
This seems largely a rehash of Tom's Weekly News piece, but it's interesting to see this particular point made - about Porth Eirias undermining the pier:

Questions mount over future of 'white elephant' watersports centre

'Mr Jones [MP], who said he believes the venue [Porth Eirias] has undermined the future of Colwyn Bay’s nearby Grade II listed Victoria Pier by acting as a competitor attraction, said only changing rooms for people using wetsuits and “external sheds and lock-ups” distinguish it from standard seafront business accommodation.'

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-mount-over-future-white-7597840 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-mount-over-future-white-7597840)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 12, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
I think the council have wanted rid of the pier for a while and probably intended for Porth Eirias to undermine it. But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 12, 2014, 11:55:20 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, what it needs is for a few thousand of us to march on Bodlondeb, harass our Councillors, get some Petitions going and generally let them know what we want, and more importantly, don't want.
I will support any action, but am now a bit too long in the tooth to organise things.
Do not think that any Councillor will pay any attention to things said on this Forum or the insulting language they receive from some other Forums and Blogs.   Actions speak louder than words!

Yorkie, Could not agree more, the North shore beach uproar, seems to be working, I wonder what it would take to wake the public up to what is going on,..... Tom?   maybe print the cost of everything,  the Skip, VC. and all the other council mishaps, that they are paying for, large banner headlines, your council, has lost................millions of your money.           
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 12, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
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This seems largely a rehash of Tom's Weekly News piece, but it's interesting to see this particular point made - about Porth Eirias undermining the pier:

Questions mount over future of 'white elephant' watersports centre

'Mr Jones [MP], who said he believes the venue [Porth Eirias] has undermined the future of Colwyn Bay’s nearby Grade II listed Victoria Pier by acting as a competitor attraction, said only changing rooms for people using wetsuits and “external sheds and lock-ups” distinguish it from standard seafront business accommodation.'

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-mount-over-future-white-7597840 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/questions-mount-over-future-white-7597840)
We took another look round Porth Eirias yesterday and had a nose at the proposed kitchen area. I don't honestly see how the two supporting pillars get in the way so much that they require removal at vast expense?

Naturally, the whole place was empty and unused, apart from a bored looking man sitting at the reception desk.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 12, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
I was wondering, if someone rents a shop in say for example Mostyn Street, does the landlord have to pay for any alterations that the tenant requires? Or would the tenant have to pay or find somewhere more suitable? You can see how this relates to the Skip! 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Gwynant on August 12, 2014, 06:30:00 PM
     I've just noticed this on the Daily Post Live blog:-
                   Tom Davidson @WeeklyNewsBay
    Porth Eirias: Cabinet vote to fund work required Porth Eirias, which will cost an additional £33k due to higher than expected tender prices.
5:31 PM - 12 Aug 2014
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 12, 2014, 06:45:47 PM
Full story guys: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-conwy-council-back-7603166 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porth-eirias-conwy-council-back-7603166)

£33k yes but no word on improving power supply to kitchen, just talk of "sharing" it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 12, 2014, 07:09:44 PM
Thanks Tom,      Cllr. Roberts states " a lot of public money"......but, we are frustrated because it has'nt opened
                        yet ,.........who's kidding who.    :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 12, 2014, 07:38:51 PM
It sounds as if CCBC haven't been very forthcoming with information.

There's the £33K mentioned for kitchen-related work, and BBC's Chris Dearden has tweeted that: "On top of kitchen work, £38K needed to upgrade power supply to @BrynPorthEirias restaurant. Conwy council offering to split costs with chef".

But in the response to my FOI, CCBC wrote that the "Currently Available Budget" for future work was:

Outstanding kitchen white box works = £70,000.
Power sub-station = £25,000.

So I wonder if the £33K and £38K, respectively, are in addition to those figures? And what happened to the higher estimates they were floating a week ago (£300K-£400K)?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on August 12, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
Well I have passed it twice today on a train and from above the words I would use are scruffy and semi derelict. The planting on the slopes is in an appalling state. The 'Gobi Desert' also looks worse from above ! Still full of mounds of sand and diggers.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 13, 2014, 08:52:10 AM
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BBC's Chris Dearden has tweeted that: "On top of kitchen work, £38K needed to upgrade power supply to @BrynPorthEirias restaurant. Conwy council offering to split costs with chef".
£38,000 to update the power supply?! Unbelievable! How many Microwave Ovens does Bryn need?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: peterh on August 13, 2014, 08:30:18 PM
If the power supplies are not adequate then questions need to be asked about the original design brief presumably issued by CCBC to the architects and then to the mechanical and electrical consultants. If the design brief included a restaurant type kitchen then the M&E consultantants are negligent if it didn't and specified only a Costa type operation then CCBC are at fault. I suspect when the original design was changed way back from the the elegant design to what we now are left with is the M&E design was either left as it was or reduced to save money.

Between CCBC, the architects and the M&E consultants someone is negligent and need to be made accountable. I believe what we have been told is the minimum they believe they could get away with and that the overall costs will be way in excess of those declared.

 


Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 13, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
   I don't suppose it has anything to do with the power supply, too much of a coincidence but   ------

   SOME TIME EITHER YESTERDAY OR TODAY A CHANNEL HAS BEEN DUG ACROSS THE ROAD FROM PORTH EIRIAS TOWARDS THE RAILWAY LINE.

   So some sort of cable or pipe has been put in place a long time after I thought the whole job was finished.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 14, 2014, 06:53:19 AM
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the overall costs will be way in excess of those declared.

I would find it extremely surprising if they weren't significantly higher. It's what local government seems to excel at.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 14, 2014, 12:03:59 PM
"Leader of @ConwyCBC admits on ITV Wales News that they'll be spending another £164K of taxpayers' money on @PorthEirias." (David Jones MP on Twitter). David Jones asks if that includes the upgrading of the power system.

£164K sounds close to the sum of the figures I mentioned earlier (£166K) - difference possibly due to approximations/rounding differences:
£70K & £25K - already budgeted for outstanding kitchen & sub-station work (mentioned in FOI).
Plus the new, additional £33K & £38K figures (kitchen & power respectively)
Total:  £166K

Then again, the real figures are anyone's guess while CCBC is in damage-limitation & denial mode.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 14, 2014, 01:01:15 PM
I found these this morning, whilst looking for something else, and after reading BMD's post...........
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 14, 2014, 01:48:08 PM
Sorry, but, I keep coming across these.

THE PROBLEM WITH POLITICAL JOKES.

THEY KEEP GETTING ELECTED.               WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 17, 2014, 07:39:10 PM
I was telling my mum about Colwyn Bay's ongoing saga (complete with spat between celebrity chef and locals on Twitter, etc - no doubt you've heard about that), and the phrase she used to describe Porth Eirias (which she's seen on one of her visits here) seemed apt: "Neither use nor ornament".  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 17, 2014, 07:53:19 PM
Very true! Also 'it's about as much use as a chocolate fire guard!'  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 17, 2014, 07:53:25 PM
She's from the  North West, then?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 17, 2014, 08:04:53 PM
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She's from the  North West, then?

Yes, from Birkenhead. My parents love visiting this area, particularly Llandudno. They always comment that it's a shame that Colwyn Bay pier has been left to rot. At their age, I think they'd rather walk along a pier than hire a kayak or jet-ski.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 17, 2014, 09:57:22 PM
I'm the same at my age!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 17, 2014, 11:36:59 PM
'Neither use nor ornament'....... a phrase that I am very familiar with, and is in constant use in Yorkshire.

For my part, I consider the Colwyn Bay Watersports Centre as being as much use as an Inflatable Dartboard!  :laugh:

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 18, 2014, 06:58:45 AM
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    She's from the  North West, then?
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Yes, from Birkenhead. My parents love visiting this area, particularly Llandudno. They always comment that it's a shame that Colwyn Bay pier has been left to rot. At their age, I think they'd rather walk along a pier than hire a kayak or jet-ski
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I sometimes wonder if - in the seemingly headlong scramble to attract the 'young' - the PTB have forgotten that it's the 65 - 75 year old age group that has the most disposable income. And I do like the inflatable dartboard - although I suppose it depends on who's playing :-))
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 18, 2014, 07:09:49 AM
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. And I do like the inflatable dartboard - although I suppose it depends on who's playing :-))

From what I've heard it would be quite safe with Fester at the oche!    :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 18, 2014, 10:37:29 AM
 Cannot find a post from around three weeks ago by DaveR. Hope it was this thread.
  He reported on a rather strange structure which has gone up alongside the toilets opposite the skip in the Bay. He didn't know what it was. Neither do I.
 But I can report that an identical item has now gone up on Abergele Road, close to the entrance to the rugby club. Still don't know what it is, whether it's visual or audio.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 18, 2014, 11:00:32 PM
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. And I do like the inflatable dartboard - although I suppose it depends on who's playing :-))

From what I've heard it would be quite safe with Fester at the oche!    :D

Though strangely, no one seems to want to take up my challenge of playing against me for ANY amount of money,  eh? Born to Run?

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2014, 07:36:44 AM
I'll play against you for £100, win or lose!   :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 19, 2014, 08:43:37 AM
I have to say that as a parent of two young kids myself and Mrs FA find the "skip" to be quite useful, in fact on the rare occasions we go to the beach it's become our go to place.  For one thing it's easy to park there, there are no time restrictions and it's free.  But the two big selling points for us are the toilets and the showers.  Anyone with young kids will know you can't go anywhere without at least one of them needing the toilet within no more than half an hour of arriving so toilets, and free ones at that, are an essential.  The other thing you'll know is that if you take young kids to the beach they'll cover themselves in half a ton of sand, 50% of which will fall off the second they get in your car and the other 50% as soon you get home and they set foot on the living room carpet.  Having a means to remove the sand before they get anywhere near your car is a godsend and the "skip" offers such a facility, and it's free.  We're not too bothered about the cafe because we take a picnic. 

If Llandudno ever wants to market itself as a family friendly resort it needs some sort of "skip" of it's own.   I know the town markets itself on it's Victorian heritage but that doesn't need to include maintaining Victorian era standards of hygiene and sanitation.  I'm not suggesting they copy the same design as Porth Eirias but Llandudno must be the only the holiday resort in the country without even the most basic sanitation facilities available to anyone using the beach and it's about time that was put right.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 19, 2014, 10:15:03 AM
I don't know when you go to the Skip, but it is virtually impossible to park on  Sunday when the jet ski crowd are there.  The majority of the car park is coned off by CCBC's Little Hitlers for the "elite" of the water ski World!   :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: majormellons on August 19, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
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I don't know when you go to the Skip, but it is virtually impossible to park on  Sunday when the jet ski crowd are there.  The majority of the car park is coned off by CCBC's Little Hitlers for the "elite" of the water ski World!   :rage:

I think there may be more than one day in a week, Yorkie...you need to get out more :D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: born2run on August 19, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
I agree with rotund Andy. West Shore is absolute cack with those pay toilets - that CLOSE at 6pm. What on earth is the point in that.
I was there on a lovely evening a few weeks ago about 8.30 and saw at least a dozen tourists in my hour there put money in for the doors not to open.
Some I managed to warn in time, others lost their 20p as you don't get a refund! Absolutely scandalous. God knows why we people of the town stand for this kind of rubbish  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 21, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
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I don't know when you go to the Skip, but it is virtually impossible to park on  Sunday when the jet ski crowd are there.  The majority of the car park is coned off by CCBC's Little Hitlers for the "elite" of the water ski World!   :rage:

So the car park at the watersports centre is full of cars owned by people visiting to indulge in watersports?  And there's me thinking the place was a white elephant that nobody had any use for!  But it's never a problem parking there on Saturday mornings, although the more successful it becomes that may well change.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 21, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
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I agree with rotund Andy. West Shore is absolute cack with those pay toilets - that CLOSE at 6pm. What on earth is the point in that.
I was there on a lovely evening a few weeks ago about 8.30 and saw at least a dozen tourists in my hour there put money in for the doors not to open.
Some I managed to warn in time, others lost their 20p as you don't get a refund! Absolutely scandalous. God knows why we people of the town stand for this kind of rubbish  &shake&

I'm glad to hear it isn't just me.  I put 20p in one of those doors a few weeks ago because my seven year old decided she had to go there and then.  Nothing happened  $angry$.  Let's just say I won't be visiting the West Shore again anytime soon.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 21, 2014, 02:22:27 PM
Over three weeks after I queried the omissions in CCBC's (much delayed) reply to my FOI request, they've added another notice of delay (this time in response to my follow-up queries): https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir#outgoing-374149 (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir#outgoing-374149)

I'm not sure what's so difficult about providing the expenditure on security for Porth Eirias, or the costs involved in setting up, supporting, planning, legal, etc - to date - on the bistro and Colwyn Bay Watersports. I doubt these figures are zero, yet they apparently weren't included in the £104,365 expenditure given for running Porth Eirias.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 21, 2014, 02:40:30 PM
Keep up the good work, much appreciated.      $thanx$   ££$     $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on August 22, 2014, 12:42:30 PM
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I have to say that as a parent of two young kids myself and Mrs FA find the "skip" to be quite useful, in fact on the rare occasions we go to the beach it's become our go to place.  For one thing it's easy to park there, there are no time restrictions and it's free.  But the two big selling points for us are the toilets and the showers.  Anyone with young kids will know you can't go anywhere without at least one of them needing the toilet within no more than half an hour of arriving so toilets, and free ones at that, are an essential.  The other thing you'll know is that if you take young kids to the beach they'll cover themselves in half a ton of sand, 50% of which will fall off the second they get in your car and the other 50% as soon you get home and they set foot on the living room carpet.  Having a means to remove the sand before they get anywhere near your car is a godsend and the "skip" offers such a facility, and it's free.  We're not too bothered about the cafe because we take a picnic. 

If Llandudno ever wants to market itself as a family friendly resort it needs some sort of "skip" of it's own.   I know the town markets itself on it's Victorian heritage but that doesn't need to include maintaining Victorian era standards of hygiene and sanitation.  I'm not suggesting they copy the same design as Porth Eirias but Llandudno must be the only the holiday resort in the country without even the most basic sanitation facilities available to anyone using the beach and it's about time that was put right.

At last something positive over Porth Erias. There has to be something good to come out of all this, the fact it was also built as part of the much needed sea defense works. Granted the money now proposed for the bistro seems way out of all proportion, beach cafe would have been useful if the kiosks are not reinstated.  As a family resort as well as my generation i think all will be well, when finished.
I like the idea that any one can have an opportunity to use the watersports facility, inc and most important are our local schools can be involved in sailing etc. instead of just the private schools in the area.
I didnt like the design when first built, but the concept is good.  I dont sail but i love watching others enjoy the experience.  We are stuck with this so ,make the most of it i say.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on August 24, 2014, 07:35:07 AM
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What do you guys think of Colwyn Bay visitor centre: https://twitter.com/WeeklyNewsBay/status/496938718226579456

It looks a bit grim if you ask me, isn't this what Porth Eirias should be used for?



I see the "visitor centre" has a new name.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: dwsi on August 24, 2014, 02:01:43 PM
Looks like somebody used Google translate and didn't proofread before sending to the printers  :rage: :-}}}
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 24, 2014, 05:21:37 PM
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At last something positive over Porth Erias.

I suspect lots of people find Porth Eirias to be very useful but as it stands they will mainly be young families, or at least families with young children, and watersports enthusiasts.  At the risk of making a generalisation that means mainly people below a certain age.  The fact that few people on this forum find it useful is probably as much a reflection of the demographic of the forum members than it is of Porth Eirias. 

Also just because someone does find something useful doesn't mean that others don't and vice versa.  For example I don't find Haulfre Gardens or Happy Valley to be in the slightest bit useful to me but I don't whinge about them, I just accept that just because I find them to be useless doesn't others feel the same way.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 24, 2014, 05:38:31 PM
For me, the problem is that its current use is out of proportion to its cost and size. Essentially a £4 million toilet block and storage shed for canoes. And I'm not keen on the fact that the toilet/showers block is the most prominent part of the building - you certainly don't need that kind of elevation on toilets and showers. It's poor architectural planning in my opinion.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
I have many problems with it, it seems to have been built with no thought as to what purpose it would serve, who wanted it? Will it generate enough income to pay for itself? Why does it look so hideous?  Why did they put pointless concrete blocks on the roof as a tripping hazard (as I found to my cost a few weeks ago, my claim is in with the council's insurers Zurich! ) why did they design a kitchen space apparently not fit for purpose? Why was the electricity supply not suitable for a planned kitchen? Why are they bending over backwards to get a so called celebrity chef to open a bistro in what looks like an industrial unit? Why is the whole interior layout bonkers, with meeting rooms for who knows what? Why do those who support the skip seem so determined to demolish the pier? Lastly as us council tax payers paid for the thing we are entitled to complain about for as long as we like as it is a big waste of OUR money!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 24, 2014, 06:01:12 PM
I think the "usefulness" of Porth Eirias will be judged on an individual basis, I agree probably more for the younger crowd, and it is good to hear positive remarks. Anyway its done now, so we have to make the best of it.
Most of the comments, (whinges) as far as I can see, are over the expense and mismanagement issues, not its usefulness, which are still ongoing.

 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 24, 2014, 06:46:01 PM
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Most of the comments, (whinges) as far as I can see, are over the expense and mismanagement issues, not its usefulness, which are still ongoing.

As useful as a Chocolate tea pot!    ZXZ
Still waiting for the reply to a FoI request which prevents me posting details received so far.  Bury your heads in shame CCBC.   WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
Lots of things can be useful but at what cost? I would suggest that a large shed to store boats attached to a seaside cafe with toilets and changing rooms, that are charged for, could have been built for a lot less money than the cost of the skip. But I still ask was any of t needed? We had kiosks happily supplying food and drink for decades and I do not remember jet skiers protesting at a lack of changing facilities, I assume most of them changed at the back of their cars? 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 24, 2014, 07:40:33 PM
 GRANTS..... have a lot to answer for........       
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 24, 2014, 07:57:56 PM
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Lastly as us council tax payers paid for the thing we are entitled to complain about for as long as we like as it is a big waste of OUR money!  &shake&

Did we pay for it?  I haven't seen any breakdown of the funding but my understanding was that most of the money came from the European Regional Development Fund and the Welsh Government's Flood and Coastal Erosion Risk Management scheme.  I'd much rather see European money being spent on improving the facilities in one the three towns this forum supposedly supports than being spent on non-existent olive groves in Italy.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2014, 08:04:22 PM
I suppose that ultimately the money came from taxpayers somewhere, after all we pay the EU in the first place. I would rather they had spent the money on the pier, failing that then the olive groves in Italy would have been better than imposing the skip on us!  :laugh: and I bet it is us council tax payers paying for the upkeep of it!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 24, 2014, 11:35:23 PM
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Did we pay for it?  I haven't seen any breakdown of the funding but my understanding was that most of the money came from the European Regional Development Fund and the Welsh Government's Flood and Coastal Erosion Risk Management scheme.

Still waiting to hear on that question (in response to FOI). There was a total grant of £11,345,612, but it was for other things (sea defences engineering work, promenade enhancement and road improvement) besides Porth Eirias. I suspect Porth Eirias, being the least essential part of the work, was last in the queue for grant funds. And if a large chunk of the £4m for Porth Eirias came directly from taxpayer (not grant), then that might explain why CCBC have delayed so long in answering the question.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 25, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
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I suppose that ultimately the money came from taxpayers somewhere, after all we pay the EU in the first place. I would rather they had spent the money on the pier, failing that then the olive groves in Italy would have been better than imposing the skip on us!  :laugh: and I bet it is us council tax payers paying for the upkeep of it!

I have to say I find this attitude both shocking and disgraceful.  I realise that there is a majority in Llandudno who throw their toys out of the pram whenever some other part of the county gets a bit of investment but to say you'd rather see European money spent in a foreign country rather than one of the three towns this forum purports to represent is childish beyond belief.  How sad and bitter you must be.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 25, 2014, 07:21:53 PM
I think ME was using irony, FA. No invective, please.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 25, 2014, 07:28:04 PM
I'm not sad and bitter, did you not see the smiley? quite the opposite in fact! But out of the choice you gave, yes I would rather see the money spent on Italian olive groves, at least they would benefit from it! On the other hand we have a building which looses money every year even though it is newly built!
    I would have preferred to see the money spent locally on useful projects like for instance Colwyn Bay Pier, Llandudno Pier Pavillion, must be numerous examples where that money could have been better spent!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 25, 2014, 07:36:06 PM
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I realise that there is a majority in Llandudno who throw their toys out of the pram whenever some other part of the county gets a bit of investment.

I should point out that I don't live in Llandudno, but in Rhos on Sea, I'm very fond of a Colwyn Bay, in fact I'm there more often than I am in a Llandudno! I just want to see any money which goes to Colwyn Bay ( or any other part of the county) spent wisely, I firmly believe that the building of Porth Eirias for that much money was not wise!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 25, 2014, 07:40:30 PM
In the Red Corner,   from Rhos on Sea, weighing in at around 160lb,.......... MERDDIN EMRYS.

In the Blue Corner,  from Colwyn Bay,   weighing in at (presumably) considerably more.......... FAT...... ANDY!!!



The Venue for this titanic showdown?    Well of course........... The Colwyn Bay Skip!    :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 25, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
 _))*  _))*  Fester, good location, but not on the roof with those dangerous concrete blocks!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on August 26, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
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I'm not sad and bitter, did you not see the smiley? quite the opposite in fact! But out of the choice you gave, yes I would rather see the money spent on Italian olive groves, at least they would benefit from it! On the other hand we have a building which looses money every year even though it is newly built!
I would have preferred to see the money spent locally on useful projects like for instance Colwyn Bay Pier, Llandudno Pier Pavillion, must be numerous examples where that money could have been better spent!

I think what you're saying is that you'd rather see the money spent on things you'd personally find to be useful rather than things that others might find useful.  As I pointed out earlier what's useful to one person isn't necessarily useful to another and vice versa.  I'm more than happy that Porth Eirias was built because it means we can take the kids to the beach without having to drive all the way over the Penmaenmawr.  There are lots of other families who find it useful and not to mention the hoards of watersports enthusiasts who use it.  Apparently it's so popular you can't park there on a Sunday because there are so many of them.  So I'm more than happy for my council tax to be used to fund it.  If the council need to raise funds to support other projects then I'd much rather see them sell off the white elephant that is Venue Cymru, something that does genuinely bleed council tax payers dry.  I'm sure there must be a developer or two out there willing to pay a decent sum for the land so they can build granny flats on it.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
I wonder if you're getting a little bit confused, Andy?

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I'm more than happy that Porth Eirias was built because it means we can take the kids to the beach without having to drive all the way over the Penmaenmawr

Porth Eirias is not the new beach, it is the actual building on the Prom. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the new beach is a bad idea?

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not to mention the hoards of watersports enthusiasts who use it.  Apparently it's so popular you can't park there on a Sunday because there are so many of them

Just a bit of anectodal evidence...I was there in the middle of the afternoon yesterday (a Bank Holiday) and there was practically nothing going on, with the car park being over half empty. And the thing is, of course, that the watersports element only occupies about 10% of the building, with the rest standing pretty much empty. Do you not agree that £5m+ could have been spent in a far better way in that location?



Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on August 26, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
I think judging Porth Eirias on a wet Bank Holiday isn't going to give the best of pictures however .....
In the last couple of months we have been lucky to have had some brilliant weather. The promenades of both Llandudno and Colwyn Bay have been utilised for parking from one end to the other. Without a doubt Colwyn Bay's new beach has proved to be very popular which is great. It's what most folk want in a beach, not some sheer shingle drop in to the sea..but that's another story.
The point is that of all those people on the beaches very few were actually taking part in any water sports from what I could see. The Porth Eirias facility was irrelevant to people's enjoyment.
I think it's great if you can shower the kids there before packing them in the car but a few refurbished or new build toilets might have been an easier and cheaper option than building one central facility which is probably a long walk from where you managed to find a parking space. As far as an up market restaurant is concerned, do we seriously think this will turn around Colwyn Bay's fortunes as a holiday destination or does it just offer a celebrity chef the opportunity to have a hugely subsidised facility and increase his chances of making a profit.
It's a very valid point that not everyone will use all the facilities we have on offer locally but this doesn't mean they shouldn't be built. I have a feeling the short term cost per head for using the Llandudno slipway might exceed that of Porth Eirias although the former probably has a very low long term maintenance cost.It all depends on what you define as usage too.Parking the car on the latter to use the beach doesn't justify the cost of the building
Comparing Venue Cymru and the associated costs per head would be interesting because we know that thousands of people use it every year and when you have a limited budget isn't that the best way to judge if something is viable.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 26, 2014, 10:15:32 AM
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I think what you're saying is that you'd rather see the money spent on things you'd personally find to be useful rather than things that others might find useful.  As I pointed out earlier what's useful to one person isn't necessarily useful to another and vice versa.  I'm more than happy that Porth Eirias was built because it means we can take the kids to the beach without having to drive all the way over the Penmaenmawr.  There are lots of other families who find it useful and not to mention the hoards of watersports enthusiasts who use it.  Apparently it's so popular you can't park there on a Sunday because there are so many of them.  So I'm more than happy for my council tax to be used to fund it.  If the council need to raise funds to support other projects then I'd much rather see them sell off the white elephant that is Venue Cymru, something that does genuinely bleed council tax payers dry.  I'm sure there must be a developer or two out there willing to pay a decent sum for the land so they can build granny flats on it.

That's not what I'm saying, the beach is great, ideal for families, it is the building I object to, as you mention Venue Cymru losing money it seems CCBC learnt nothing from that so they built another money losing building in Colwyn Bay! I'm happy for facilities to be created that I have no personal use for, but it seems reasonable to hope that they are needed and financially sustainable!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2014, 10:18:58 AM
A couple of years back, I suggested that the redevelopment of the Prom between Old Colwyn and Rhos should incorporate a number of buildings along its length, each one incorporating a small cafe with inside/outside seating area, public toilets, kiosk to sell buckets and spades etc. This would seem to have been a far cheaper and more sensible suggestion than the building of Porth Eirias.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 26, 2014, 10:24:20 AM
Exactly what was needed!  $good$  But didn't a CCBC councillor say, referring to the proposed bistro, 'we don't want the bucket and spade brigade here!' Totally missing the point of a seaside facility!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 26, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
FA,   Putting aside the usefulness issue, we still have to question the expense of the project, past and future, you already agree that V.C. is "bleeding tax payers and is a white elephant" some of us feel this could go the same way.

Ask yourself if you had been asked to vote for a building with toilets/ showers /storage costing in excess of 5million with ongoing losses.?

I think we have to keep  questioning,........Their management to date does not inspire confidence.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 26, 2014, 10:29:12 AM
Spot on SteveH!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on August 26, 2014, 11:09:52 AM
There is also a major issue regarding who and who cannot use the facilities.  It seems that although the local Water Ports Club make a minuscule contribution, they spread themselves over the whole complex.  Maybe there was someone with a vested interest that was not declared?  However, it is being looked into.   WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 27, 2014, 02:44:33 PM
Hi guys, I've tried my absolute darndest to get a full cost break down of Bryn's refit of Porth Eirias but it's like pulling teeth with Conwy Council. I'll post it on here when I can.

Also interesting development regarding actual leaseholder AND foundation costs not mentioned in certain correspondents by Conwy Council.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 27, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
I am just getting the hang, of computing/the forum /and local politics, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating info.

Yesterday I was looking at the CCBC site, and found a web cam committee meeting 4th Aug. referring to Parc Eirias with concerns as to costs?..... also on the film at 10.59 the vote to hold the meeting on the Skip in private...Apart from Cnlr. Haworth who spoke up on tax payers behalf.

The meeting seemed shambolic and amateurish, and I think they had stage fright (TV) very scary, this is who is in charge of our taxes!

http://www.conwy.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/143816 (http://www.conwy.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/143816)





Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 27, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
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The meeting seemed shambolic and amateurish, and I think they had stage fright (TV) very scary, this is who is in charge of our taxes!

The cabinet meeting 16.8.14 is actually worse. Stumbling, lack of preparation, incoherence, lack of direction and diabolical speaking skills coupled with incredibly poor vision mixing to produce adequate evidence that CCBC governance is amply justifying our opinion of it. Watching them flounder hopelessly it's little wonder so many were against webcasting.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on August 28, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
Hi guys, in case you can't get hold of a paper today, here is the cost breakdown as I understand it:

Two weeks ago Conwy Council voted through extra funds to be spent on refitting Porth Eirias for Bryn’s much-delayed bistro.

Prior to the vote, £70,000 and £25,000 was already budgeted for outstanding kitchen and substation work respectively.

After the vote by Conwy Council’s cabinet, made behind closed doors, it was announced they had approved an additional £33,000 for kitchen work along with a further additional £38,000 for substation work, which will be shared with Shel Restaurant Ltd.

It means the refit cost will be £164,000 although not all of this will be paid by Conwy Council.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 28, 2014, 11:28:24 AM
Thank you Tom.... $thanx$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on August 28, 2014, 12:23:40 PM
Thanks for that, Tom. It's good to get as much as a confirmation as we're likely to from CCBC.

The timeline for the confusing dribble of information from CCBC:

- At the big council meeting, two weeks ago (12/8/2014) the additional cost figure announced is £33K.
- Then later, only grudgingly from CCBC it seems, we hear a figure of £38K for upgrading power supply.
- Then the leader of CCBC mentions £164 as figure to ITV (13/8/2014) - not exactly clearly.

I wonder why they weren't clear from the outset?  (rhetorical question).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on August 28, 2014, 09:17:47 PM
  In reply to post from BMD, I did a quick glance through and ----oh happiness---- Its only 164 pounds.

   Thats not so bad, I can live with that.

    Two seconds later and I come to, and obviously visualise the extra three noughts.

      OOOhhh
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on August 29, 2014, 01:00:20 AM
Ian,  I am concerned that you have developed a stutter!   :laugh:

Ah... no,  now I see that you have made a 'sticky' post.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 29, 2014, 08:24:14 AM
 :rage:

Yes - noticed something was wrong when I saw I'd replied to a post that SteveH hadn't yet made...

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I am just getting the hang, of computing/the forum /and local politics, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating info.

Nothing to do with you, SteveH. It seems I accidentally hit the sticky post button by mistake.  :-}}}

It does now, however, show my reply to your subsequent post and thus endows me with (apparently) a degree of prescience....

Sorry!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on August 29, 2014, 10:04:54 AM
 $thanx$    Thought it was me....no problem... :)    Ah your still there....looking down..
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: born2run on August 29, 2014, 10:17:26 AM
I haven't yet been to this new beach or this 'thing' on it that you all complain about. I'm honestly not sure what exactly it is, but it's supposed to be nice Sunday so I may wonder down and see what all the fuss is about.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 29, 2014, 10:48:04 AM
In a nutshell, the beach is great and the skip is not! Beware all the dangerous features of the skip, especially the concrete blocks on the roof!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on August 29, 2014, 11:01:14 AM
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Thought it was me....no problem... :)    Ah your still there....looking down..

 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on September 03, 2014, 04:33:46 PM
Hey guys, here's tomorrow's Colwyn Bay front page. Story will be put online tomorrow lunch time, you'll have to buy the paper if you want to read it before then...


Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 03, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
What is all this electricity for? Is Bryn opening a cafe or a blast furnace? Why have we got to pay for his business!? This really has become well beyond a joke now!

Also related to the skip my claim for personal injury is with Zurich Insurance following my fall over one of those ridiculous concrete blocks! I still have problems with my right knee, more antibiotics as it is infected again! The Doctor said it was caused by the cut on my knee during the fall!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on September 03, 2014, 11:40:03 PM
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I still have problems with my right knee, more antibiotics as it is infected again! The Doctor said it was caused by the cut on my knee during the fall!

Andy, I am not unsympathetic, but from what I have heard, antibiotics are becoming less and less effective for the Human race as the years go by.  So, to be pragmatic, I suggest that it might be prudent that any shares that you might hold, (for example, GVC Gaming??), you should immediately sign over to me...... for safe keeping, until you are 100% well again! 
You know it makes sense!   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 03, 2014, 11:56:03 PM
 _))*  _))* what a great idea! I'm surprised that I didn't think of that!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 04, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
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What is all this electricity for? Is Bryn opening a cafe or a blast furnace?

 :laugh:

Large windowless section (too big for its stated function), huge electricity needs, strange planning decisions, secrecy. It's obvious to me what's going on. There's an unspeakable, unnamable lurking thing being kept in a secure vault inside the skip-shaped section. The electricity is for the force-field and the electrified walls to keep it inside. You've read H.P. Lovecraft, right? I think we all know what's going on here.  ;)

I always wondered about the original logo design (before revision):

(http://i60.tinypic.com/122khmr.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on September 04, 2014, 04:19:52 PM
Here's the story on how £200k will be spent on Porth Eirias substation. No word on who will pick up the bill though.  http://tinyurl.com/puf34bz (http://tinyurl.com/puf34bz)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 04, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
Very interesting - thanks for that, Tom.

So, it looks as if the shocking £300K-£400K figure that was reported several weeks ago might be correct for the total additional cost. That's assuming the £200K is an addition to the £164K. But presumably CCBC is still not giving much away as to the details.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on September 04, 2014, 04:51:02 PM
And Scottish Power just said "more than £200k". We don't know what the actual figure is...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on September 04, 2014, 05:04:36 PM
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Here's the story on how £200k will be spent on Porth Eirias substation. No word on who will pick up the bill though.  http://tinyurl.com/puf34bz (http://tinyurl.com/puf34bz)

Thanks Tom.    CCBC are showing there guilt, by not being open with the taxpayer's, meeting's behind closed door's and now declining to comment and using the FOI  20 day  timescale rule , hoping it will die down.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, BUT...........
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 05, 2014, 08:29:29 AM
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It's obvious to me what's going on. There's an unspeakable, unnamable lurking thing being kept in a secure vault inside the skip-shaped section.

 _))* _))* _))*

Always wondered where F slept it off after a night out...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 05, 2014, 09:52:25 AM
 L0L  L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: C_jones on September 05, 2014, 07:44:21 PM
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=142&doc=34097&Language=1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=142&doc=34097&Language=1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

"Contrary to reports in a local newspaper "another £200k" of public money is not being spent on electricity infrastructure at Porth Eirias, Colwyn Bay."
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 05, 2014, 08:17:18 PM
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http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=142&doc=34097&Language=1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=142&doc=34097&Language=1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

"Contrary to reports in a local newspaper "another £200k" of public money is not being spent on electricity infrastructure at Porth Eirias, Colwyn Bay."

The local newspaper report was more careful in its wording than CCBC is here. It stated that it was uncertain who was footing the bill.

CCBC's press release is misleading also when it says that Porth Eirias is "fundamentally a coastal protection asset". There's no aspect of the coast that Porth Eirias protects. It is quite separate from, and superfluous to, the coastal defence work
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 05, 2014, 08:20:54 PM
I'd be more impressed with the CCBC posting if the poster knew how and where to use a comma.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 05, 2014, 08:44:11 PM
From the CCBC press release: "...this is required to accommodate the potential of Porth Eirias to generate power, rather than to supply electricity to the building.  Exporting energy to the grid provide potential income generation for Conwy County Borough Council."

So, at last we know what's going inside the zinc skip-shaped section. A fusion reactor!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on September 05, 2014, 08:52:10 PM
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From the CCBC press release: "...this is required to accommodate the.. WWW...POTENTIAL.... WWW.of (http://WWW.of) Porth Eirias to generate power, rather than to supply electricity to the building.  Exporting energy to the grid provide.WWW....POTENTIAL.... WWW.income (http://WWW.income) generation for Conwy County Borough Council."

That's a lot of POTENTIAL.... >>>

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on September 05, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
So c jones tell us what the extra £200 tho is been spent on as those on top table in the temple of waste put that figure out to a certain person .
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on September 05, 2014, 09:31:46 PM
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That's a lot of POTENTIAL.... >>>

"The electric potential (or simply potential) at a point in an electric field is defined as the work done in moving a unit positive charge from infinity to that point. The electric potential at infinity is assumed to be zero. Force and potential energy are directly related."

And it cost another £300,000 just for that?     ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: C_jones on September 05, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
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So c jones tell us what the extra £200 tho is been spent on as those on top table in the temple of waste put that figure out to a certain person .

I Dont understand?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 05, 2014, 10:20:27 PM
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From the CCBC press release: "...this is required to accommodate the potential of Porth Eirias to generate power, rather than to supply electricity to the building.  Exporting energy to the grid provide potential income generation for Conwy County Borough Council."

So, at last we know what's going inside the zinc skip-shaped section. A fusion reactor!
 

 _))*  _))*

So now it's a power station! Whatever next! They could generate a lot of power by harnessing the hot air from CCBC!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 06, 2014, 08:38:35 AM
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Force and potential energy are directly related."


Except I doubt that's the potential to which the writer was referring. Unfortunately, because the writer seems to lack a certain basic grasp of lucid expression, it's come over a tad confused.

"Scottish Power will be upgrading its own cables between Porth Eirias and its sub-station in Old Colwyn, this  (should be a full stop between "Colwyn" and "this")  is required to accommodate the potential of Porth Eirias  (Should read "the potential for") to generate power, rather than to supply electricity to the building.  Exporting energy to the grid provide (should be "provides" or "might provide")potential income generation for Conwy County Borough Council."

I won't comment on the multiple and confusing uses of 'potential'.  Sadly, they're continuing with the proud tradition of shooting themselves in the foot with that release. It would have been so much easier to say

"Scottish Power will be upgrading the electricity supply between its substation and Porth Eirias at no cost to the Council. This is to enhance Porth Eirias' ability to generate its own power and possibly provide a small cash flow to CCBC as a consequence."

"NB.  Salacious gossip about Fusion Reactors, mutant festering creatures or strangers in the night will be dealt with using every tool in the council's armoury. And we have many tools."

 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 06, 2014, 08:43:33 AM
 _))* very good Ian!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 06, 2014, 08:52:16 AM
Inspired by you and BMD  ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on September 06, 2014, 09:52:15 AM
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I won't comment on the multiple and confusing uses of 'potential'.  Sadly, they're continuing with the proud tradition of shooting themselves in the foot with that release. It would have been so much easier to say <snip>

"NB.  Salacious gossip about Fusion Reactors, mutant festering creatures or strangers in the night will be dealt with using every tool in the council's armoury. And we have many tools."

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: FatAndy on September 06, 2014, 03:46:09 PM
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"NB.  Salacious gossip about Fusion Reactors, mutant festering creatures or strangers in the night will be dealt with using every tool in the council's armoury. And we have many tools."

Who exactly has been showing undue sexual interest in fusion reactors (no need to capitalise as neither word is a proper noun), mutant festering creatures or strangers in the night  :o.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on September 06, 2014, 03:55:47 PM
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(no need to capitalise as neither word is a proper noun)

Tell the CCBC people, not me :-))

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Salacious gossip

viz. gossip derived from or in the style of Salacious B. Crumb...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on October 07, 2014, 06:22:42 PM
Not good news about Porth Eirias.... ZXZ ,the Bistro, or the famous Chef!   _))* _))* _))*

http://www.davidjones-mp.com/no-personal-guarantees-for-porth-eirias-bistro/ (http://www.davidjones-mp.com/no-personal-guarantees-for-porth-eirias-bistro/)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 07, 2014, 06:31:46 PM
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Not good news about Porth Eirias.... ZXZ ,the Bistro, or the famous Chef!   _))* _))* _))*

http://www.davidjones-mp.com/no-personal-guarantees-for-porth-eirias-bistro/ (http://www.davidjones-mp.com/no-personal-guarantees-for-porth-eirias-bistro/)

I am speechless ...................it is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 07, 2014, 09:41:02 PM
I still stand by my comment of a few months ago, more chance of Fanny Craddock opening a bistro there!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on October 07, 2014, 10:08:34 PM
Merddin only ccbc live in cloud cuckoo land ,would you leave a restaraunt in London to come to a glorified skip ,ccbc will carry on wasting our money as long as they can get away with it  :rage:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on October 08, 2014, 08:45:37 AM
Mr. Jones is absolutely right, the whole Porth Eirias Bistro affair is like a case study in complete ineptitude.  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 09, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
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Not good news about Porth Eirias....,the Bistro, or the famous Chef! 

http://www.davidjones-mp.com/no-personal-guarantees-for-porth-eirias-bistro/ (http://www.davidjones-mp.com/no-personal-guarantees-for-porth-eirias-bistro/)
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This is a continuation of Yorkies post above, read his link first, if you missed it before....

Conwy County Council under more fire over £3.7 million Porth Eirias
Clwyd West MP David Jones has launched a new attack on Conwy County Council after it failed to secure a personal lease guarantee from the company behind Bryn William’s planned bistro at Colwyn Bay watersports centre.
The details were revealed this week after a Freedom of Information Act request, revealing the bistro deal was signed by Shel Restaurant, a £100 limited company set up in 2013, with Mr Williams as one of its company directors.

The criticism follows complaints from Conservative MP Mr Jones about “secrecy” surrounding Porth Eirias, and public concern after several deadlines for the bistro opening were missed.

“It’s now high time for the council to be open with the people of Conwy.”

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139178/conwy-county-council-under-more-fire-over-3-7-million-porth-eirias.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139178/conwy-county-council-under-more-fire-over-3-7-million-porth-eirias.aspx)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: bigbadhenry on October 09, 2014, 09:33:59 AM
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Merddin only ccbc live in cloud cuckoo land ,would you leave a restaraunt in London to come to a glorified skip ,ccbc will carry on wasting our money as long as they can get away with it  :rage:

I agree
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 09, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Sadly, I too agree, why do they do it though?  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on October 10, 2014, 03:49:27 PM
Tom Davidson' article in the NWWN  this week about "Bryn's Bistro" is a real eye opener.   How can CCBC be so inept when it comes to matters of planning.
It's not the first costly mistake they have made either, Maesdu Bridge being just another of many.  Won't they learn from their mistakes or are they just nodding Donkeys when it comes to matters relating to planning.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 13, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
REF. Tom Davidson DPblog

On site visit of Colwyn Bay waterfront + to be opened on Thursday.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on October 14, 2014, 05:34:21 PM
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"NB.  Salacious gossip about Fusion Reactors, mutant festering creatures or strangers in the night will be dealt with using every tool in the council's armoury. And we have many tools."

Who exactly has been showing undue sexual interest in fusion reactors (no need to capitalise as neither word is a proper noun), mutant festering creatures or strangers in the night  :o.

In the world of hi-tech gadgetry, I've noticed that more and more people who send text messages and emails have long forgotten the art of capital letters.   For those of you who fall into this category, please take note of the following statement:
"Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack
off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse."
Is everybody clear on that?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
 _))* _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 14, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
 L0L  L0L
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: peterh on October 15, 2014, 10:09:16 AM
A new significant steel ramp has recently been installed linking the car park of the skip to a substantial concrete plinth built into and onto the promenade  that is around 800mm above the prom level on the Old Colwyn side. I cannot think what on earth it is for as it appears to link to nowhere.
Any ideas or knowledge?

Also again one wonders how much it cost and who paid for it!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 15, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
Colwyn Bay prom ready to re-open after £6.7 million revamp

The opening of the stretch of seafront between Colwyn Bay Pier and Porth Eirias signals the end of the Colwyn Bay Waterfront Project’s second phase, with contractors Galliford Try wrapping up work to improve sea defences, raise the promenade and improve the “town link” path opposite the pier.

A £5 million Welsh Government grant was used to import 220,000 square meters of sand to extend the beach, while improvement works to the promenade and railway underpass to the town was funded by the council and the Welsh European Funding Office.
The project has cost £25 million since it launched three years ago.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139435/colwyn-bay-prom-ready-to-re-open-after-6-7-million-revamp.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139435/colwyn-bay-prom-ready-to-re-open-after-6-7-million-revamp.aspx)

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on October 15, 2014, 02:14:18 PM
The rest of the place towards Rhos will be in the sea this winter if the state of the prom and the railings are anything to go by .

Any news on the Bistro to report Steve? Again if the 'garden area' is anything to go by nothing has been done. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 15, 2014, 02:57:17 PM
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The rest of the place towards Rhos will be in the sea this winter if the state of the prom and the railings are anything to go by .
Any news on the Bistro to report Steve? Again if the 'garden area' is anything to go by nothing has been done. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Hi Nem. Looking at DaveR's recent prom photos I did wonder, fingers crossed, it has not been a waste of time and money.
Nothing in print about the Bistro, after Yorkies post of the 7th.  keeping a low profile, I suspect after that revelation.

That sticky post above 27Aug. gets me every time, keep thinking I have posted on the wrong thread...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on October 15, 2014, 03:33:07 PM
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That sticky post above 27Aug. gets me every time, keep thinking I have posted on the wrong thread...

Yesssss... it's confusing me, too. I'll de-sticky it  :'(
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 15, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
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That sticky post above 27Aug. gets me every time, keep thinking I have posted on the wrong thread...
Yesssss... it's confusing me, too. I'll de-sticky it  :'(

GOOoooooood.... $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on October 15, 2014, 11:56:42 PM
It's a stubborn sticky post innit!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on October 16, 2014, 07:15:30 AM
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It's a stubborn sticky post innit!

No more, I hope...

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Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2014, 09:50:51 AM
I believe the new section of Prom between the Pier and Porth Eirias is opening today.  ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 16, 2014, 10:06:11 AM
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I believe the new section of Prom between the Pier and Porth Eirias is opening today.  ZXZ
Colwyn Bay promenade re-opens on Thursday after the latest phase of improvements costing £6.7m.
The work, which began in March, includes flood protection upgrades and resurfacing between Porth Eirias and the pier.
Extra sand has also been brought in to extend the beach which was hit by last winter's coastal storms.
About £25m has been spent since the improvements began in 2011, said a spokesperson for Conwy council.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-29640376 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-29640376)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on October 16, 2014, 07:41:17 PM
    The large stretch of sand in Colwyn Bay is already being well used by humans exercising their dogs. Virtually everyone on the beach has a dog with them and both humans and dogs are having a great time
    So, before any one leaps in and says ban the lot, consider this.  For every dog on the beach, thats one less that might be in Bryn Euryn quarry area. And thats a bonus, I am sure you all know why.
   I am a dog lover, always have been. But I hate the mess they leave behind. So how about this for a revolutionary idea.
   Actively encourage dog owners to get down on the beach in the Bay. I don't mean the nice soft dry sand near the road where youngsters will build their sand castles. I mean down by the waters edge, preferably when the tide is coming in. Maybe a narrow controlled area for the dogs and their owners to get down from the prom to the water level. There obviously will be a good old mess there, so make sure everyone knows not to go there unless they have a dog.
   Because,  its all very well saying owners should clear up after their dogs, there are a certain percentage who will never bother, and in time the good cleaning up owners will think "they never bother, so why should I." I know this happens. One lady on my golf course, which suffers daily from dog mess, stated to me quite seriously, in a pleasant manner but just stating a fact "You will never stop people letting their dogs make a mess up here." And I agree, she is correct. Wardens? You have to be joking, a stiff fine will only mean the dog owners might go elsewhere for a day or two.
   I know this is a rather strange idea and that it would get a lot of undesirable publicity in the press/T.V.  But from a personal point of view I would far rather see a selfish owner letting a dog make a mess on the edge of an incoming tide that in the middle of the grass on the Cayley embankment.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on October 16, 2014, 08:38:01 PM
Maybe with a nice beach some people will venture to a dip in the briny.  They could get a mouthful, or haven't you noticed that doggy doos floats!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on October 16, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
  No, I had''nt. Not surprising. I don't make a habit of watching dogs carrying on the act whilst standing in the sea.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on October 17, 2014, 09:18:42 AM
Whilst taking a look at the new Prom yesterday afternoon, I saw this Shelter on the Rhos side of the Pier, just where the new beach is.  It's in a disgusting condition and has been filthy for years. It just amazes me that council officials and local councillors can walk past it without thinking to themselves, "I must get that sorted out". Do they not notice or do they just not care?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on October 17, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
That cushion and cans were there last Friday ,these councilers don,t walk around
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 17, 2014, 11:04:20 AM
I have a recollection of that shelter being built in the 80s, at a cost of approx. £30.000 I remember saying at the time ...... >>>
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on October 17, 2014, 12:03:44 PM
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  No, I had''nt. Not surprising. I don't make a habit of watching dogs carrying on the act whilst standing in the sea.

I'm sure you don't.  But one should remember doggy doo is very harmful to children who will naturally look forward to a paddle or swim. 
 WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on October 17, 2014, 01:11:53 PM
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Whilst taking a look at the new Prom yesterday afternoon, I saw this Shelter on the Rhos side of the Pier, just where the new beach is.  It's in a disgusting condition and has been filthy for years. It just amazes me that council officials and local councillors can walk past it without thinking to themselves, "I must get that sorted out". Do they not notice or do they just not care?

The smell from within those shelters is gross, especially in hot weather.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on October 17, 2014, 05:35:22 PM
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Whilst taking a look at the new Prom yesterday afternoon, I saw this Shelter on the Rhos side of the Pier, just where the new beach is.  It's in a disgusting condition and has been filthy for years. It just amazes me that council officials and local councillors can walk past it without thinking to themselves, "I must get that sorted out". Do they not notice or do they just not care?

The smell from within those shelters is gross, especially in hot weather.

Gross Nem?   Well, I have only been there 143 times, so I wouldn't know.... geddit?   :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: mull on October 17, 2014, 05:47:59 PM
Shouldnt this shelter be in the obsticles to tourism section.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 17, 2014, 05:56:48 PM
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Shouldnt this shelter be in the obsticles to tourism section.
No....... it should be in a land fill site... ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 17, 2014, 07:57:04 PM
WATCH: Stretch of Colwyn Bay Promenade re-opens

A stretch of Colwyn Bay Promenade was yesterday re-opened to the public.
Councillors gathered to mark the latest phase in £6.7m improvements.

Colwyn Bay’s existing sea wall has been repaired and a section of promenade between Porth Eirias and the Pier has been raised and resurfaced.

The work, funded by the Welsh Government, Welsh European Funding Office and Conwy Council, began in March but has finished two months late.
On the delay, Cllr Mike Priestley, Cabinet Member for Environment, Roads and Facilities said: “Both Conwy County Borough Council and the contractors (Galliford Try) made every effort to deliver the project in a timely manner but sometimes unforeseen challenges can arise during engineering schemes of this complexity and scale.
"For example, we had to amend some of the design details after finding unexpected ground conditions in some of the parking bay areas.”
He later Tweeted that a constituent had called the work “fantastic”.

Video and photos   http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/watch-stretch-colwyn-bay-promenade-7955019 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/watch-stretch-colwyn-bay-promenade-7955019)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on October 17, 2014, 08:44:26 PM
Have a look at the  daily post photos pic 8 the daft sods have nearly buried the hand rails  _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 17, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
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Have a look at the  daily post photos pic 8 the daft sods have nearly buried the hand rails  _))*
Picture 9 on mine.....See what you mean, looks as if they had to hose the steps before everybody arrived, very wet and clean.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Linda on October 17, 2014, 11:38:28 PM
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Maybe with a nice beach some people will venture to a dip in the briny.  They could get a mouthful, or haven't you noticed that doggy doos floats!
 ZXZ
I was walking down there yesterday and in the half hour i was there i saw at least 2 people not clear up after their dogs.  Kids were out on the water Windsurfing and tots were running around too and playing in the sand, a few youngsters were performing some great somersaults onto the soft sand.  Come on council get your act together now, at least make it clear ,there should be zero tolerance to the folk who dont clear up after their animals. Large fines.  I love dogs and have been a dog owner myself, but all that beach looked like to me was a convenience for folk with their dogs.  All that soft fine sand that will never get cleaned by the tide. Doesnt make sense to me
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2014, 08:42:29 AM
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Have a look at the  daily post photos pic 8 the daft sods have nearly buried the hand rails  _))*

I suspect that's necessary, given the depth of sand they're trying to achieve. They also have to allow for sand erosion.

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there should be zero tolerance to the folk who don't clear up after their animals. Large fines.

Perhaps add the beach to the CCTV coverage? Irresponsible dog owners are dangerous, particularly in a rural area, as infected dogs can transmit Neosporosis – which can cause abortions in cattle, Sarcocystosis – which can cause neurological disease and death in sheep, and also Toxocariasis - which can infect very young children (and older children with less cautious parents). Given all the above, and the fact that it only takes microscopic amounts of the faeces to be ingested to cause infection there's a pretty strong case for banning dogs from beaches completely or instituting 'dog-only' zones as Mike suggested yesterday.  One chilling thought is that almost all dogs are born with Toxocara eggs, so puppies are infective until they're vaccinated.

There are about 100 new cases of Toxocara infection diagnosed each year, although the most worrying - blindness - is thankfully extremely rare. Neosporosis is far more prevalent - and growing - and can decimate entire herds of cattle.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on October 18, 2014, 09:07:50 AM
Ian have a look at the pics in the daily post ,they had just finished the job nobody in their right mind would bury the hand rails ,mind you we are talking ccbc ,I walked on there last week a guy watched his dog poo went and kicked the sand over it (too far away to give him a bag ).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
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Ian have a look at the pics in the daily post ,they had just finished the job nobody in their right mind would bury the hand rails

I did look at the pics, Norman, which is why I made the comment.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 18, 2014, 09:55:11 AM
Keep it clean - no messing
A Campaign which calls on local communities to get involved in an attempt to tackle the problem of dog fouling has been launched.
keep it Clean - No Messing is a new hard hitting campaign which aims to reinforce the law and seeks support from residents to play their part in preventing persistent fouling from affecting our communities with the message - DON'T STAND FOR IT. or in it?
Targeting areas
To reinforce efforts to tackle dog fouling in specific areas of concern deemed 'hotspot' areas, signage will be put up and letters delivered in the neighbourhood calling on residents to report the persons responsible.
Promoting the message
Council vehicles will also display signage with a dedicated telephone number and email address with which members of the public can contact the Council in confidence to report those who offend.

We will continue to take a proactive approach in enforcement of environmental crime. Anyone who is caught allowing their dog to foul in a public place and failing to clean it up will face a £75 Fixed Penalty Notice. Failure to pay the Notice will result in prosecution with a maximum fine of £1000. This is the same for those who commit the offence of littering.
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=680&doc=34699&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=680&doc=34699&Language=1)

The Dogs on Leads Order 2012
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=9805&doc=30612&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=9805&doc=30612&Language=1)

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/580/Dogs_on_Leads_Control_Order__Eng_Signed.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/580/Dogs_on_Leads_Control_Order__Eng_Signed.pdf)

 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 18, 2014, 03:01:17 PM
I was looking into "Dogs and Beaches" and was quite surprised by the amount of information, especially for tourists, and the importance they placed on unrestricted dog friendly beaches/accommodation.
As we are already discussing "litter wardens" as an obstacle to tourism, this problem needs to be treated carefully, and take into account both residents and tourism.
From the web.
Our top 10 dog friendly beaches in Wales
"If you’re planning a holiday to Wales this summer, no doubt you’ll be visiting the country’s many beautiful beaches.
From the tip of Anglesey to the toes of Pembrokeshire, there are some fantastic dog friendly beaches in Wales, and all of our top ten have no restrictions at all, meaning that even during the summer months you and your dog can splash in the sea and catch sticks on the sand!
No 1...COLWYN BAY....A beautiful Victorian seaside resort, the pier juts out across the water and holds (cafes, little shops, and kiosks for a lunchtime treat!)? Your dog will love running along the sand and over the rocks, and there are some great opportunities for birdwatching.
Conwy Morfa
At low tide, a wide sandy bay is exposed perfect for long walks with a four legged friend and it’s a good beach for birdwatching."

I am assuming that beach dog mess is picked up by responsible owners, and they do not just kick sand over it, as mentioned before?  and we are only looking at the irresponsible?

 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: born2run on October 20, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
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Keep it clean - no messing
A Campaign which calls on local communities to get involved in an attempt to tackle the problem of dog fouling has been launched.
keep it Clean - No Messing is a new hard hitting campaign which aims to reinforce the law and seeks support from residents to play their part in preventing persistent fouling from affecting our communities with the message - DON'T STAND FOR IT. or in it?
Targeting areas
To reinforce efforts to tackle dog fouling in specific areas of concern deemed 'hotspot' areas, signage will be put up and letters delivered in the neighbourhood calling on residents to report the persons responsible.
Promoting the message
Council vehicles will also display signage with a dedicated telephone number and email address with which members of the public can contact the Council in confidence to report those who offend.

We will continue to take a proactive approach in enforcement of environmental crime. Anyone who is caught allowing their dog to foul in a public place and failing to clean it up will face a £75 Fixed Penalty Notice. Failure to pay the Notice will result in prosecution with a maximum fine of £1000. This is the same for those who commit the offence of littering.
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=680&doc=34699&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=680&doc=34699&Language=1)

The Dogs on Leads Order 2012
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=9805&doc=30612&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=9805&doc=30612&Language=1)

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/580/Dogs_on_Leads_Control_Order__Eng_Signed.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/580/Dogs_on_Leads_Control_Order__Eng_Signed.pdf)

"Council vehicles will also display signage with a dedicated telephone number and email address with which members of the public can contact the Council in confidence to report those who offend. "

How Orwellian! But either way, surely without evidence they can't do anything, so what is the point?

Why is the fine the same for littering? A huge pile of excrement on a beach where kids play is a hell of a lot worse than a dropped sweet packet or cigarette butt  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on October 20, 2014, 04:54:15 PM
I think the Council would wish for Informants to retrieve the evidence, pass on a description of the offending animal and then invest in using DNA testing to correctlt identify the culprit!

 _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 20, 2014, 05:24:26 PM
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B2R...Why is the fine the same for littering? A huge pile of excrement on a beach where kids play is a hell of a lot worse than a dropped sweet packet or cigarette butt

I think the tickets are pre printed with pictures.....easier for the wardens      WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on October 20, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
I drove along Colwyn bay prom a few times yesterday and each time I was in a long queue of slow moving traffic that kept stopping.  I finally learned that each queue had a land-train at the front of it.

I know one of these works between the Llandudno promenades, but how long as Colwyn Bay and Rhos had the land-train ?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 20, 2014, 07:29:39 PM
178/13 Christmas Event/Activities:
a. The Chairman welcomed Teresa Carnell, on behalf of Colwyn Bay Chamber of
Trade, to provide information about the proposed Christmas event/activities to
be funded by the Town Council grant of £6,000.
Teresa began by thanking the Town Council for providing the grant each year.
This had recently been used for a Christmas parade involving local
schoolchildren, but had been affected by bad weather for the past two years. A
decision was therefore taken by the CoT earlier this year to cease the parade
and consider alternative events/activities to bring people into the town during
the festive season. Enquiries were made with a land train provider, with the
intention of offering a land train service to cover Rhos on Sea, Colwyn Bay
and Old Colwyn, however, this was already booked to be elsewhere. Teresa
therefore outlined the two remaining options and confirmed that a final
decision would be made in the next week or so.

d. Min. 398/13(a) – Land Train:
The Clerk submitted a response from Mr Roberts to the request for an additional
stop, confirming that the proposed route had been chosen by the operator to cause
as little disruption as possible to other road users, with turning points at Porth
Eirias and the Cayley Promenade. However, an extension of the route to Rhos
Point may be considered at a future stage, depending on its success.

Sorry only info I could find.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on October 20, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
Thanks for finding that information.

The land-train needs a wide berth through obstacles, and where two cars can safely pass each other; the road train cannot get through the choke points if there is on-coming traffic and on a Sunday there is always on-coming traffic !

The plan to close Colwyn Bay down is working though...

Close beach for 2 consecutive summers, start a rolling road block at busy times and plan to introduce parking charges on the prom. 
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on October 20, 2014, 08:57:40 PM
I heard they gave  permission for the train to get people to go to the skip. Ccbc didn't,t think about the traffic  _))*. Gloddaeth ave is 2. Lanes so can get by .
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on October 20, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
With all that new sand on the beach maybe a Camel train would be more appropriate then at least car drivers wouldn't get the hump.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on October 21, 2014, 08:33:18 AM
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I drove along Colwyn bay prom a few times yesterday and each time I was in a long queue of slow moving traffic that kept stopping.  I finally learned that each queue had a land-train at the front of it.

I know one of these works between the Llandudno promenades, but how long as Colwyn Bay and Rhos had the land-train ?

All this season-- they appropriated a row of parking places for it at the bottom of the Caley bank.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on October 21, 2014, 08:35:37 AM
Do the Land Train Operators pay anything for the use of parking places or creating traffic problems and incrasing polution?   WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on October 21, 2014, 08:37:48 AM
Would be interesting to find out--- the signs for the parking place for it are official yellow ones.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on October 21, 2014, 10:56:20 AM
I thought the land train was a good idea for shuttling pedestrians between Colwyn Bay and Rhos. I've been on it, and it didn't seem to cause any problems with traffic. Perhaps it's premised on the belief that traffic along the prom generally isn't too heavy (whether that's correct or mistaken).

I'm generally in favour of decreasing the amount of car traffic along roads such as the promenade, where possible. I'm a fairly light car-user, myself - I prefer to walk when I can, or use public transport. I would've loved to have used the old trams. I generally find the heavy traffic in certain congested areas - and the cars parked everywhere - far more of a nuisance than a modest land train.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on October 21, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
The new section of Prom in Colwyn Bay looks great...but why no facilities on it? What's the point of attracting people to the beach if there is nowhere for them to buy a coffee, bucket & spade etc etc? No jobs created, no businesses growing and paying tax.

There's plenty of room on the two widest sections to put a wooden refreshment kiosk, with room for tables and chairs as well. The lack of common sense within some sections of CCBC just amazes me.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 21, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Dave, you are forgetting that the bistro will be open soon, I'm sure they will also sell gourmet bucket and spades too!  :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on October 21, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
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Dave, you are forgetting that the bistro will be open soon, I'm sure they will also sell gourmet bucket and spades too!  :twoface:

 :laugh:

And let's not forget the potential for souvenir trinkets & postcards.

(Apparently you have to login to see the image I've posted).

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2hgviop.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 21, 2014, 02:15:51 PM
 _))*    $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on October 21, 2014, 04:53:52 PM
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 21, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
 $good$  L0L  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on October 21, 2014, 07:46:06 PM
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on October 21, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
 L0L  L0L  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on October 22, 2014, 05:07:17 PM
 looking at some of yesterdays photos, does anybody know how the storm affected the new prom works?.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/trees-blown-down-ferries-cancelled-7969379#rlabs=17 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/trees-blown-down-ferries-cancelled-7969379#rlabs=17)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on October 28, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
nice new beach near the pier today---on the prom, as a result of the recent windy weather
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on November 10, 2014, 12:03:47 PM
I had a look at the little exhibition of photos, etc (in Poth Eirias) this morning. There was no lighting in that section of the Skip, and when I looked up at the ceiling I couldn't see any lighting fittings at all (unlike in the other sections, where the lights seem to be on all the time). It was too dark for an exhibition (it was clouded over at the time, but not exactly dull outside - not enough light coming through the window for vertically screened exhibits).

Three guys manning reception - one of the surfer/watersports dudes and two others. God knows what they were doing, or who is paying them (if they are paid).

Apart from me, and one other person looking at the exhibition, the place was empty. All those rows and rows of unused lockers, showers, changing room space - enough for a stadium. As usual, I was saddened - I pictured what it could be: a modest, but elegant cafe with unobstructed views facing out to sea, perhaps completely separate from a shed to keep the kayaks, etc, in.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on November 10, 2014, 12:46:03 PM
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I pictured what it could be: a modest, but elegant cafe with unobstructed views facing out to sea, perhaps completely separate from a shed to keep the kayaks, etc, in.
Indeed...it should have been simple, effective and considerably cheaper than £5m!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on November 10, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
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Three guys manning reception - one of the surfer/watersports dudes and two others. God knows what they were doing, or who is paying them (if they are paid)
Hi BMD,   I looked at the "watersports" a few weeks ago, still not sure who's paying who, they appear to be receiving funding?...see what you think.

"Colwyn Bay Watersports is a community interest company working with Conwy County Borough Council to deliver watersports tuition from the Porth Eirias site."  http://www.colwynbaywatersports.co.uk/ (http://www.colwynbaywatersports.co.uk/)

A Community Interest Company
http://www.london-registrars.co.uk/business-formation-services/cic-incorporation/?gclid=CPvw6Y2-8MECFanMtAodBSMAow (http://www.london-registrars.co.uk/business-formation-services/cic-incorporation/?gclid=CPvw6Y2-8MECFanMtAodBSMAow)

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on November 10, 2014, 06:53:56 PM
Hi Steve - My FOI request (16 June) did ask for rent/expenditure details relating to "the community interest company, Colwyn Bay Watersports": https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir/new (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenditure_income_for_porth_eir/new)

The partial response I got indicated that the council received a mere £1,500 in rent (presumably for the financial year, although no details on time periods were given). No answer was forthcoming on any council expenditure regarding Colwyn Bay Watersports - I've just sent a follow-up request, but they're 4 months overdue already.

Tom Davidson previously mentioned that he didn't think the watersports guys were being paid by the council for any reception-type duties. Presumably they get paid somehow, for something? It's all a bit of a mystery to me, especially as everything is supposed to fund itself these days - I don't see vast amounts of cash coming in for hiring out a few kayaks, etc.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on November 10, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
Send a complaint to the Information commissioner.  They are very helpful.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on November 10, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
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The partial response I got indicated that the council received a mere £1,500 in rent (presumably for the financial year, although no details on time periods were given). No answer was forthcoming on any council expenditure regarding Colwyn Bay Watersports - I've just sent a follow-up request, but they're 4 months overdue already.
I am a cynical b*****, but my first instinct was we are paying for it somehow.
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"I don't see vast amounts of cash coming in for hiring out a few kayaks, etc."
According to their web page and looking at the photos they have a lot of gear, who paid for that?
Also take into account the seasonal aspect, who's going out now?
It will be interesting when you get your reply.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on November 10, 2014, 08:16:20 PM
I may complain if I don't get a reply this time (on FOI).

On Porth Eirias, events certainly show there's good reason to be cynical. I think it's good that the facility is there for kayaking, etc. But if it's a drain on council funds in any way, there should be transparency (the Mickey Mouse rent suggests they are effectively being subsidised).

I sometimes wonder what the pier pressure group people think of the apparent massive waste of money on the Skip (after all the work they put into getting lottery funds, redevelopment plans, etc, for the pier).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on November 11, 2014, 08:54:43 AM
Porth Eirias is a disaster, all that money spent on a development that was neither wanted or needed, just to bolster a few egos at CCBC. A terrible waste of money.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on November 11, 2014, 01:46:39 PM
Any news on this Bistro farce?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 11, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
Yes, Fanny Craddock is waiting for a special saucepan set delivery, they have to be custom made at a cost of £3,000,000. 26p to fit the unusually shaped kitchen space! All should be well after that!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on November 11, 2014, 08:00:44 PM
Is she taking on Keith Floyd as her assistant?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 11, 2014, 10:04:24 PM
Yes, but he needs custom shaped ovens at a cost of £5,000,000!

(I just make these figures up as I go along, much like CCBC do! ) 😉
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on November 12, 2014, 08:04:23 AM
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on November 14, 2014, 05:53:13 PM
I took these pictures of a new ramp that's being constructed near the Skip (it's been mentioned here before). Can't figure out its purpose, as there is another (pedestrian/wheelchair) ramp nearby already. It doesn't look big enough for vehicles.

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2m46n9t.jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2cy5x69.jpg)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on November 14, 2014, 05:57:54 PM
They must have had some spare cash leftover  _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on November 14, 2014, 06:51:34 PM
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I took these pictures of a new ramp that's being constructed near the Skip (it's been mentioned here before). Can't figure out its purpose, as there is another (pedestrian/wheelchair) ramp nearby already. It doesn't look big enough for vehicles.

Just had a look on Google earth, I did notice that the unfinished ramp is in line with the cycle lane, also that cyclist's have to use the road for the full length of Porth Eirias... &shake&  or extra pedestrian access to Bryn's Bistro...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 14, 2014, 08:23:05 PM
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They must have had some spare cash leftover  _))* _))*

 L0L  :laugh: I was thinking it is a chance to waste even more money!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on November 15, 2014, 03:52:07 PM
Visited Porth Eirias today, whilst having a walk along the beach. Absolutely no progress on Bryn's Bistro, looks the same as it did on the day it opened. There were two men manning the reception desk, quite what they were needed for I don't know.  :roll:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on November 15, 2014, 05:47:24 PM
Just to make sure that no one stole the desk.    >>>
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on December 16, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
I quote from page 103 of the January Sainsbury's Magazine......................"we have an eye on Bryn William's planned new opening on the promenade at Colwyn Bay in North Wales"

Perhaps they know something that we don't !! :-X :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on December 16, 2014, 08:01:05 PM
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I quote from page 103 of the January Sainsbury's Magazine......................"we have an eye on Bryn William's planned new opening on the promenade at Colwyn Bay in North Wales"

Perhaps they know something that we don't !! :-X :o

 :laugh: I'll be keeping an eye out for elves sneaking in over Christmas, as they obviously need a magic kitchen at this point.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on December 17, 2014, 09:23:15 AM
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Visited Porth Eirias today, whilst having a walk along the beach. Absolutely no progress on Bryn's Bistro, looks the same as it did on the day it opened. There were two men manning the reception desk, quite what they were needed for I don't know.  :roll:

The chap in the red shirt is the centre manager and the other chap works for Colwyn Bay Water Sports who have a lease on part of the building and uses the reception area as an office.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 17, 2014, 10:44:48 AM
Centre manager?? Managing what exactly? Nothing there, money to be saved right there!  ???
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 10:51:33 AM
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Centre manager?? Managing what exactly?
It's a good question...! :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2014, 10:59:32 AM
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Centre manager?? Managing what exactly?

It's a good question...! :laugh:

He manages the centre, obviously.  Not sure who's looking after the left, right, back and front, mind...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 12:33:04 PM
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Centre manager?? Managing what exactly?

It's a good question...! :laugh:

He manages the centre, obviously.  Not sure who's looking after the left, right, back and front, mind...
:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 17, 2014, 01:54:43 PM
 _))*  L0L  _))*

It would be interesting to see his job description!   'Stand around the circular desk explaing how wonderful the skip is! Also explain that Bryn will be opening the bistro by the end of the month (never specify which month, year or century!)' 😊
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on December 17, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
It must be a repetitive job. I had that conversation with him or someone similar in August 2013. No red shirt then though!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 17, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
Funnily enough, today's Pioneer has the headline about restarent to open April!  L0L  L0L I'll believe that when I see it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on December 17, 2014, 08:18:20 PM
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Funnily enough, today's Pioneer has the headline about restarent to open April!  L0L  L0L I'll believe that when I see it!  :laugh:

I spent all weekend at an event there and sneaked a look at the proposed Bistro kitchen. The "spokesman" in the Pioneer says work on the kitchen is progressing well and the contractors will be back after Christmas.   Without contradicting him in any way, to me the kitchen area looks exactly as it did the last time I peeked in there in August, even the dust looks the same.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on December 19, 2014, 08:42:15 AM
Page 15 of the Weekly News" £100k Government funding on offer for seafront bistro."
Pavements, roads, public toilets...............all more important to the local area.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 19, 2014, 08:45:52 AM
Sounds like utter madness! Hardly a lack of places to eat in this area!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on December 19, 2014, 08:59:31 AM
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The "spokesman" in the Pioneer says work on the kitchen is progressing well and the contractors will be back after Christmas.   Without contradicting him in any way, to me the kitchen area looks exactly as it did the last time I peeked in there in August, even the dust looks the same.
Has the 'Spokesman' even visited Porth Eirias lately?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on December 19, 2014, 09:12:58 AM
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Without contradicting him in any way, to me the kitchen area looks exactly as it did the last time I peeked in there in August, even the dust looks the same.

Be reasonable.  They've changed the dust twice...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on December 19, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
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Be reasonable.  They've changed the dust twice...

 :laugh:  :laugh:

 Porth Eirias job vacancy latest: Dust Accumulation Manager - requires experience of managing dead spaces from circular desk.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on December 21, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
AH........... A circular desk !  Would that be to match in with the kitchen???????????
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 21, 2014, 08:18:30 PM
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Be reasonable.  They've changed the dust twice...

 :laugh:  :laugh:

 Porth Eirias job vacancy latest: Dust Accumulation Manager - requires experience of managing dead spaces from circular desk.

😂😂😂  _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on January 02, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
At the risk of irritating Yorkie (heaven forbid) we had a delicious fresh and interesting lunch at Coast restaurant near Saundersfoot today.
The reason for mentioning it in this topic is because I thought the place had many similarities to the Porth Eirias building.

It is called Coppet Hall Beach Centre and is being developed as part of a "Visit Wales Coastal Tourism Project", part funded by the European Regional Development Fund through the Welsh Government, to encourage tourism along the Wales coastline.

The chef is a well know one, Will Holland with past Michelin stars. The restaurant is on the upper floor of the building. Downstairs there are public toilets and showers and changing rooms.  They were charging £4 here for a family to use these facilities. It is not owned by the council though. Downstairs is a kiosk selling drinks and snacks.
I seemed a good combination of fairly upmarket restaurant with snack place below and facilities for those who had been on the beach.
So come on council here get your act together and we could all be enjoying this sort of facility up here.
The restaurant was packed today and since opening in April they have been doing really well according to the staff there.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on January 03, 2015, 07:12:59 AM
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At the risk of irritating Yorkie (heaven forbid)

I am certainly not irritated by hour post, neither should Heaven forbid you from suggesting such.  My apology was obviously not received very well!

I have no reason to criticise where or when one dines and am not the least bit irritated, having myself (without wishing to irritate SDQ) dined at some of the World's most famous, and infamous, restaurants, as I am sure have other Members of the Forum.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 03, 2015, 08:40:18 AM
The point with Porth Erias, as we all know, I that nothing is being done with this ridiculous situation with the kitchens. The adverts on TV say that most firms can design and build to order, so why the delay for this 'round kitchen'?
It is high time the council were given an ultimatum, sort this out or find someone who will.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on January 03, 2015, 06:45:25 PM
Paid my very first visit to the Waterfront Centre thingy today.... and I was impressed by the level of investment, but appalled by the misuse of the same.
I wondered around inside, and perused the Titanic exhibition, very interesting.

I asked the incredibly bored looking assistants on reception whether there was somewhere I could buy a coffee.
They said no, not yet... but pointed to some tables and chairs that were 'intended' for a cafe, which 'might be built' next summer.
Hmmm, I have to say that they seemed as cynical about it as most on this Forum.

If there HAD been a basic cafe open today, it would have made about £1000, and much more than that in the warmer months.

I was interested in canoeing, despite the pathetically small area marked out by yellow buoys, for the activity.
There are no adverts beckoning you to spend any money, or take part in any activity.... merely a notice board, with a few A4 sheets of paper on the subject of watersports..... akin to a school notice board.

Pretty disappointing all in all.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 04, 2015, 01:47:33 PM
Re your remark Fester about the café or lack of it................ This was the scene at Pensarn this morning. The place was buzzing and the café was packed, both inside and out. he smell of cooking bacon was drawing everyone off the prom. People were strolling, cycling and enjoying the sunshine. Kiddies were playing ( one had a super battery operated car), dogs were being walked and the whole place had a nice atmosphere.
I rest my case..................again !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on January 04, 2015, 02:03:37 PM
A tragic waste. How can they get away with it?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on January 04, 2015, 03:26:17 PM
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A tragic waste. How can they get away with it?

A rhetorical question..... one that has reverberated ever since politicians were invented!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 04, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
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A tragic waste. How can they get away with it?

As far as I remember, this year, it will be 2 years since the place was opened and still no catering facility.
It seems from Fester's experience that even the staff are being evasive. What is being kept from the public and what is happening to OUR money.?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on January 04, 2015, 08:40:40 PM
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Re your remark Fester about the café or lack of it................ This was the scene at Pensarn this morning. The place was buzzing and the café was packed, both inside and out. he smell of cooking bacon was drawing everyone off the prom. People were strolling, cycling and enjoying the sunshine. Kiddies were playing ( one had a super battery operated car), dogs were being walked and the whole place had a nice atmosphere.
I rest my case..................again !

That's a great point. I always remember it like that when I was living at Abergele. The food was cheap, it was what people wanted, and there was always a good atmosphere about the place. And there's the little attached bit with ice cream and seaside stuff for kids. Even the smaller kiosk further along the prom used to do pretty well when open in Summer. No celebrity chef needed.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on January 05, 2015, 07:14:29 AM
And there is a third food outlet attached to the fair but on the seaside of the road. More a kiosk. And they have ALL Ben there for years and years and run by the same families, all completely happy business wise with their incomes.
 Of course, remarked ly, they have managed to resist every attempt to start charging for parking. Don't know how on earth they have managed it, but jolly good luck to them I say.
 I only hope this post is not read by some obscure financial parking wizard in bodlondeb.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 05, 2015, 09:10:37 AM
There was only the one outlet open yesterday, but it was packed. The one further along the prom opens again at the end of this month, again it is always busy, or has been when we have been there. In fact their scones are so big that we have to share one !
If we hadn't had bacon and egg for breakfast I would have been very tempted by the delicious smell of cooking bacon.
The toilets there have always been dreadful, but they were actually clean and far less smelly  :o
We usually stop there for a drink and to walk the dog, Rhyl isn't the best of places and I needed some things from Wilko, or we wouldn't have gone. We think our streets get messy, but Rhyl is gross.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on January 05, 2015, 09:37:54 AM
I've always said that a simple but good quality cafe is what's needed on the Prom at Porth Eirias. It is not a remotely appealing site for a Bistro.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on January 06, 2015, 06:15:15 AM
Getting right off the subject of the thread, but in reply to Nemisis.the toilets at Pensarn beach are terrible, and have been for at least 40 years. I obviously cannot speak about the ladies.
  However, getting to the nity gritty of it, in the gents the urinal has a splash guard along its length, but the floor slops slightly away so you can imagine what happens, a busy summer day, lots of boys and men careless with their aim, and the flor is beyond description apart from the fact that it's covered with soaked sand.
  I haven't usedthem for years.. If necessary I go in the cafe, order a bit of food and use theirs which are always immaculate
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on January 06, 2015, 11:15:13 AM
I might suggest to CCBC that they run a shuttle service between all the dysfunctional public toilets in the county and Porth Eirias's extremely lavish toilet, shower, locker and changing room facilities. The latter are undoubtedly state-of-the-art as well as being plentiful, ample and abundant. "Bountiful" would not be too strong a word. But they are mostly unused, unfortunately.  Might as well build on the Skip's strengths as a world-class toilet facility, and shuttle people into Colwyn Bay to appreciate that.

(Edit: I probably should add that I'm joking, of course)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 06, 2015, 11:19:16 AM
Are they free to use?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 06, 2015, 11:29:37 AM
Yes and good if it is a cold day. The heating is so intense that it brings you out in heat lumps !!!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 06, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
Is there free parking as well?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 06, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
There was free parking the last time we ventured up there, but there are quite a few areas which are reserved for the watersports !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on January 07, 2015, 08:20:36 PM
BMD I was glad to see your ps note that you were only joking. Actually I thought you were just taking the piss
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on January 07, 2015, 11:17:30 PM
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BMD I was glad to see your ps note that you were only joking. Actually I thought you were just taking the piss

 :laugh:  :laugh: That's given me an idea for another souvenir postcard they could sell:

"Taking the piss, Porth Eirias" (caption to a photo of their extensive lavatory facilities).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 08, 2015, 07:56:23 AM
 L0L  L0L  L0L

I expect the car park at the skip will now be full of kitchen fitter's vans?  :twoface:
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on January 16, 2015, 11:09:53 AM
Work finally going to start on Bryn's bistro - Porth Eirias will be closed to the public for eight weeks - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-see-inside-porth-eirias-8458081 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-see-inside-porth-eirias-8458081)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on January 16, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
EIGHT BLOODY WEEKS?  What on Earth are they doing, rebuilding the whole place? 
 WWW  WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on January 16, 2015, 11:23:36 AM
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Work finally going to start on Bryn's bistro - Porth Eirias will be closed to the public for eight weeks - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-see-inside-porth-eirias-8458081 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-see-inside-porth-eirias-8458081)

"Bryn Williams has not responded to a request for comment."

Of course. He's too important to respond to mere journalists or to public concerns about escalating costs and delays. A good start.  ;)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on January 16, 2015, 11:47:15 AM
There will be a lot of cross legged people in the area, the public seem to like to make use of the toilets. :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 16, 2015, 01:01:22 PM
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There will be a lot of cross legged people in the area, the public seem to like to make use of the toilets. :o

The only thing the skip is any good for, taking the piss!  WWW
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on January 17, 2015, 10:45:15 PM
I saw Bryn Williams on the TV  show Chef's Kitchen this morning and would think that I  am more likely to see him on TV that at Porth Eirias.
I wonder if he'll have a hat trick and miss three Summer seasons on the row.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: A.L.N. (a local nobody) on February 12, 2015, 06:22:07 PM
Does anyone know if the Restaurant or kitchen is being fitted?. I noticed a fair number of vans at the rear of the construction but the only one I could identify seemed to be to do with watersports. It was supposed to be well on its way by now wasn't it?
No up to date information from the Council or Bryn Williams.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 23, 2015, 12:08:14 PM
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Not happy at all! Went to visit the skip and walking on the roof, I suddenly fell over and landed on my face! I had tripped over one of the stupidly placed concrete blocks! Looking at the view you can't notice them! I have two cuts to my top lip, bad cut on the nose and a cut above my nose and I expect bruising to come! My sun glasses were broken and a very nice watch has scratches on it now! I have filled out an accident form there, hand written a letter of complaint as they have no complaints forms! The sooner this dammed skip is demolished the better!  $angry$

Update from my fall last year, after many delays from CCBC, I received this letter from Zurich Insurance, it seems the concrete block that caused my fall has been in place since 2009! Amazing as the skip was not built in 2009!! Also even though you can walk all around it yet they are not in a walkway?  I will be contesting this letter!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yorkie on March 23, 2015, 12:29:53 PM
Just typical of Zurich.

I managed to get the price of a new tyre out of them for my Daughter who drove into a pot hole in Slough.  They refused but I took the matter to the County Court, Small Claims Track, and they just coughed up.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on March 23, 2015, 06:17:33 PM
Zurich insurance. Don't mention them.
  Around 1992 I had a large warehouse style building inside which we kept two buses at a time for maintenance. To get to the yard you drove up a lowered section of kerb from public highway, over a pavement, about 200 yards up unmade road, through gates locked at night. On the warehouse door was a sign NO PARKING.
  One day bang. A coach hit the back of a small new car belonging to one of my drivers. Was he upset? Not a bit. I was very very surprised.
  It turned out that this new car was paid for under some "I've no money and I am disabled" scheme. It was parked right under the no parking sign whilst the driver went off to drive a coach for me.
The damage was fairly bad.
  Never mind, driver appears in another brand new car within two weeks. Had to borrow some cash so he could put fuel in it.
18 months after Zurich turned up and put me through 3rd degree. If I didn't pay God help me.
Needless to say they are still waiting
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on March 23, 2015, 06:53:04 PM
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Just typical of Zurich.

I managed to get the price of a new tyre out of them for my Daughter who drove into a pot hole in Slough.  They refused but I took the matter to the County Court, Small Claims Track, and they just coughed up.
 ZXZ

As they did when I followed your advice last year, and threatened them with County Court.
It was regarding the roof from the local school building, that smashed into next doors house, and took my garden fence and decking rails with it!    They initially refused point blank.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on March 23, 2015, 08:12:04 PM
Reads like a standard initial brush-off letter. And the '2009' date demonstrates how little attention they've given the matter - inept, frankly. A quick enquiry would have shown them that the design wasn't even decided upon until 2011: http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=8424&doc=27652 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=8424&doc=27652)

And that line about the "walkway" and "sufficient visual contrast to allow clear definition" seems daft. The point, of course, is that after being drawn up the ramps, people are going to be raising their sight to the sea views, not paying attention to some block below knee level which has been positioned directly in their path (particularly if shielding their eyes from the considerable glare off the light surfaces of the roof when the sun is out).
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2015, 09:56:10 PM
The sand levels are continuing to rise on the Rhos On Sea side of the pier, I suspect this is a problem that can only get worse as time passes. Difficult to tackle the problem effectively, I imagine.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 07, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Bryn has started looking for staff for his new restaurant:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/bryn-williamss-porth-eirias-bistro-8995190 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/bryn-williamss-porth-eirias-bistro-8995190)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Yelboh on April 07, 2015, 11:39:13 PM
I will be really interested to see how this plays out.  Tremendous success or epic failure?  I have a feeling that it will be one end of the spectrum or the other, but which one?  It's possibly not as clear cut as we may think.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 08, 2015, 07:33:19 AM
My money is on epic failure!  All this nice weather, lots of people on the new beach and the skip is shut! All of those people looking for a simple cafe must be delighted to know that in many months time a bistro will be open there. They should supply what the people want not impose an unwanted bistro on them!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on April 08, 2015, 07:48:41 AM
I am really interested too in how it turns out and also who is going to be the first forum member to try it out and post their findings on here?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on April 08, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
Are they also having a cafe in there (not vending machines ) so the families that use the beach can be catered for . Also can anyone see this Bryn leaving London to work here ,We don,t think .we all know who will be 1st to the table for their freebie .
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 08, 2015, 09:11:40 AM
My main concern about the Bistro is that it's not inclusive - it will obviously be a high end venue that will be of no use to the many families that use the beach. Will the general public still be able to use the toilets once the Bistro is open?

Why can't CCBC reintroduce one or two refreshment kiosks between Porth Eirias and the Pier to cater for the families? There's room in one or two places for a kiosk plus 10 tables/chairs.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
Driving past at 8.30 am I noticed there were 7 camper vans parked on the upper level car park at "the Skip". A use at last, albeit breaking local bye laws, perhaps!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Hugo on April 14, 2015, 08:27:58 PM
Perhaps it's going to be the latest site for the travelling community?       ;D
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 15, 2015, 08:59:54 AM
The Pedestrian Tunnel between the Pier and Town centre was recently refurbished at great expense, complete with fancy new uplighters installed in the paving to illuminate it. Sad to report I walked though it last week and saw that most of the expensive new lights have already been smashed, apparently by people dropping bricks on them.  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2015, 09:26:29 AM
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The Pedestrian Tunnel between the Pier and Town centre was recently refurbished at great expense, complete with fancy new uplighters installed in the paving to illuminate it. Sad to report I walked though it last week and saw that most of the expensive new lights have already been smashed, apparently by people dropping bricks on them.  &shake&
"People" is a very generous description of this form of low life.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2015, 09:24:57 AM
I see that both Donkey Rides and Bike Hire people have appeared on the new section of prom/beach. The total lack of refreshments on that section of Prom is a big problem still, though.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Dave on April 21, 2015, 09:25:13 AM
Nice to see the donkeys there the other day but it does pose the question that as that bit of sand doesn't get washed over at high tide 1) who will clean up after them? 2) Should dogs be allowed on that patch at this time of year ? 3) With one of the best and most accessible bits of sand on the North Wales coast which cost a fortune would it not be a good idea to give it a rake to clear up rubbish and debris deposited by the tide on a daily basis?
To pay for the latter rent out another kiosk!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 21, 2015, 10:31:34 AM
I walk along that part of the beach almost daily, and I can't say I've noticed the problem of accumulated rubbish. It seems to be under control. There's the natural debris left by the tide, but I don't find that off-putting.

I think, so far, the rejuvenated beach has been a huge success. So on this point the council deserves some credit (to the extent they were involved). But what a wasted opportunity! No cafe or facilities. It could be so much better if they'd had some common sense regarding the pier and Porth Eirias.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 21, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
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It could be so much better if they'd had some common sense regarding the pier and Porth Eirias.
Definitely.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on April 22, 2015, 11:27:49 PM
 First the donkeys. Over twenty years ago Rhyl were considering making it compulsory for the beach donkeys to be fitted with nappies. Serious. The donkey men were not happy with the idea.
 Secondly, the problem with the proposed celebrity kitchen gas and/or electric not being up to scratch and the Hugh cost of putting it right.
 Well, what looks like a power substation is being built there. Plus a trench along the prom, presumably to take gas pipes or electricity cables. The trench started from the substation area and has now, believe it or not, reached past the pier and still heading west towards Rhos. So far what's that? A quarter of a mile? And it's certainly not finished yet. That seems one hell of a long way to connect up to a gas supply. It cannot possible be electric. After all there is wind generated electric on the site
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Ian on April 23, 2015, 05:09:14 AM
Quote
It cannot possible be electric. After all there is wind generated electric on the site

The type of generation combined with the position of the place means no reliance can be placed on the electricity generation there.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 23, 2015, 09:42:36 AM
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Secondly, the problem with the proposed celebrity kitchen gas and/or electric not being up to scratch and the Hugh cost of putting it right.
 Well, what looks like a power substation is being built there. Plus a trench along the prom, presumably to take gas pipes or electricity cables. The trench started from the substation area and has now, believe it or not, reached past the pier and still heading west towards Rhos. So far what's that? A quarter of a mile? And it's certainly not finished yet. That seems one hell of a long way to connect up to a gas supply. It cannot possible be electric. After all there is wind generated electric on the site

Power company spends £200k at Porth Eirias
17:22, 9 September 2014 By North Wales Daily Post
Scottish Power investment will upgrade cables to allow centre to generate power

 

More than £200,000 will be spent installing an improved power network at Porth Eirias as the cost for the watersports centre continues to spiral.

Scottish Power have confirmed that a six-figure sum will be spent on infrastructure improvements.

A Scottish Power spokesperson said: “SP Energy Networks is investing over £200,000 in the area and we will be working closely with Conwy County Council to agree a start date for this programme of work.”

Conwy Council says that none of the cost will come from public funds, and says that the work could lead to power generation revenue for the council.


A council spokesman said: "Scottish Power will be upgrading its own cables between Porth Eirias and its sub-station in Old Colwyn. This is required to accommodate the potential of Porth Eirias to generate power, rather than to supply electricity to the building.

"Exporting energy to the grid provides potential income generation for Conwy County Borough Council. The opening and running of the facility is not dependent upon completing this re-cabling work."

The authority has also denied a claim that the complex, which cost more than £4million, had been running on a gas back-up generator since opening a year ago.

Three weeks ago Conwy Council voted through extra funds to be spent on refitting Porth Eirias for chef Bryn Williams’s delayed bistro .

The vote by Conwy Council’s cabinet, behind closed doors, approved an additional £33,000 for kitchen work  with a further £38,000 for substation work, which will be shared with Shel Restaurant Ltd. This is on top of £95,000 already budgeted. It means the refit cost will be £164,000.

There is still no opening date for the bistro.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/power-company-spends-200k-porth-7744396 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/power-company-spends-200k-porth-7744396)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 23, 2015, 09:43:23 AM
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The Pedestrian Tunnel between the Pier and Town centre was recently refurbished at great expense, complete with fancy new uplighters installed in the paving to illuminate it. Sad to report I walked though it last week and saw that most of the expensive new lights have already been smashed, apparently by people dropping bricks on them.  &shake&
The lighting has been replaced at a cost of, wait for it....£3,500.  :o
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: mull on April 23, 2015, 10:12:02 AM
How is the Bistro going to generate power ?
Will it have a windmill on top ?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 23, 2015, 10:16:24 AM
Probably a mixture of hot air and methane from all of the bullsh1t in the skip!  &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on April 23, 2015, 06:04:12 PM
'A council spokesman said: "Scottish Power will be upgrading its own cables between Porth Eirias and its sub-station in Old Colwyn. This is required to accommodate the potential of Porth Eirias to generate power, rather than to supply electricity to the building.' (Quoted from Daily Post article posted above)

Ah, yes, I remember this. It led us to speculate that they might be installing a fusion reactor in the massive skip-shaped part of the building. But, as ME says, I suspect it's the accumulated BS that will provide the power. At this rate, it'll compete with the proposed tidal lagoon.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on April 30, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
If nothing else, it's good to see 25 jobs being created at the Bistro...

Chef Bryn Williams 'impressed' after candidates arrive for interviews for jobs at Porth Eirias bistro Colwyn Bay
19:32, 29 April 2015 By David Powell

Some 75 applicants turned up to apply for jobs at chef Bryn Williams’s new seafront bistro, which aims to open in June.

There are 25 full and part-time posts up for grabs at Porth Eirias, Colwyn Bay.

Denbigh chef Bryn, and his partner David Owen, of Shel Restaurant Ltd, held interviews for a range of posts at an open day today.

Afterwards, Mr Owen said: “It’s been a really good day. Bryn and I were very impressed with the turn-out.

“Between 9.15am and 2pm we had 75 people here for posts from head chef to bottle washers.

“There’s so much support from local people and the standard of applications was very good.”

Mr Owen added: “It was also good to see a lot of young people applying too.

Job Centre staff were on hand to help applicants as they arrived.

Cllr Mike Priestley, Conwy Council’s Cabinet member for finance and resources, welcomed the response after helping to bring the project to fruition.

He said: “It’s always good to see new employment in the area and it’s great to see something happening at Porth Eirias.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/chef-bryn-williams-impressed-after-9149253 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/chef-bryn-williams-impressed-after-9149253)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on May 14, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
My story on consultancy report commissioned by Conwy Council into Colwyn Bay Bay promenade redevelopment: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/colwyn-bay-pier-should-new-9253187 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/colwyn-bay-pier-should-new-9253187)

If you ask me, the whole report should be hosted online for public to read. Very interesting and extensive. Curious to know the cost of it mind...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 15, 2015, 10:21:26 AM
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My story on consultancy report commissioned by Conwy Council into Colwyn Bay Bay promenade redevelopment: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/colwyn-bay-pier-should-new-9253187 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/colwyn-bay-pier-should-new-9253187)

If you ask me, the whole report should be hosted online for public to read. Very interesting and extensive. Curious to know the cost of it mind...
Interesting. I love how Colliers must be getting paid a fortune to state what is pretty obvious. Cannot CCBC, with its armies of highly paid/qualified people, come up with this sort of Report themselves?

"Colliers stress the pier in its current condition “is a blight on the commercial appeal of the area and a solution to its future needs to be found as soon as possible"

Tom, was there anything about reinstating refreshment kiosks along the Prom at all, in the report?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: peterh on May 15, 2015, 11:43:52 AM
Definition of a consultant "He who borrows your watch and then tells you the time"
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Tom Davidson on May 15, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
The report is mostly focused on phase 2 of the redevelopment (from the pier to the area in front of the toad) and is rather damning of that as a development opportunity due to its size.

Section 8 of the report focuses on end user markets. It's prefaced with the statement, in bold saying "The commercial retail and food beverage offer needs to be larger if the Waterfront is to have critical mass as a destination."

The report then considers a number of possible "commercial uses that could potentially operate on the waterfront"

These are:
restaurant/bar,
family restaurant/pub,
coffee shops
take away/drive thru
Indoor play
convenience food store
budget hotel

None of these are given a particularly glowing endorsement, because of the size of the site.

One proposed concept is a "kiosk cluster" of up to six smaller-scale kiosk based bars of a variety of businesses including surfer shacks, juice bars or ice cream parlour.

The section concludes "disappointingly we cannot find any developer interest in developing such a concept in the proposed location."
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 18, 2015, 09:33:58 AM
The problem is that the site is long and narrow, so unless they build out into the sea with another 'hotspot', as with the Porth Eirias site, there is very little opportunity for commercial development.

I love how they needed Consultants to come up with that conclusion, when any local person could have told CCBC that for free.

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on May 18, 2015, 06:05:36 PM
It does seem pretty obvious. I just see the sad irony of all this talk of building new attractions, hiring consultants, etc, when the obvious, perfectly-placed attraction is the one thing they're inent on demolishing.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 18, 2015, 07:33:08 PM
Very true!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 18, 2015, 09:19:48 PM
   Did anyone visit what was called the Prom Day. Not sure of its new name although I should---there are plenty of posters around. And in particular how did it go on in its new location? Looking from the Toad eastwards it looked rather cramped. Do they still have market stalls etc?
   Oh, and a prize to someone in the signage department. Approaching from Llandudno there was a nice clear sign with a disabled symbol on it pointing to the car park at the back of Rhos Fynych. And if that isn't over a mile distance from the start of all the activities then I will have to redo my google map.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 19, 2015, 10:42:37 AM
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It does seem pretty obvious. I just see the sad irony of all this talk of building new attractions, hiring consultants, etc, when the obvious, perfectly-placed attraction is the one thing they're inent on demolishing.
A very good point!  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on May 19, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
   No one has written saying they went to the Prom day. And I didn't go. So --- rumour,rumour,rumour. I grew up in the war years and it was drummed into everyone that rumour was a definite no goer and no one should indulge themselves by passing it on.
   Having said that, I have heard more than a few rumours about last weekends event and they range from bad to shocking and embarrassing. Especially on the second day, the Sunday. Absolutely no one there. I was told one of the entertaining stars, X factor winner or similar who has performed recently in front of 7,000 to 8,000 fans was having to give it all she had to a small bunch of around 20/25.
   I suppose this bears out my very limited view travelling back and forth from Llandudno and Old Colwyn. From a distance it looked empty and I didn't encounter the slightest sign of any traffic congestion
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: white rabbit on May 19, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
Didn't go to th Prom Day but went past!  I think it was held in the wrong place - would have been better below the Cayley Prom as in previous years.  Much easier to access from both Rhos and The Bay.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: norman08 on May 19, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
So who moved it along there don,t say the brill council  _))* _))*
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on May 20, 2015, 07:00:25 AM
The problem was the atrocious westerly wind, plenty of people turned up and very quickly left !
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on May 20, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
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   No one has written saying they went to the Prom day. And I didn't go. So --- rumour,rumour,rumour. I grew up in the war years and it was drummed into everyone that rumour was a definite no goer and no one should indulge themselves by passing it on.
   Having said that, I have heard more than a few rumours about last weekends event and they range from bad to shocking and embarrassing. Especially on the second day, the Sunday. Absolutely no one there. I was told one of the entertaining stars, X factor winner or similar who has performed recently in front of 7,000 to 8,000 fans was having to give it all she had to a small bunch of around 20/25.
   I suppose this bears out my very limited view travelling back and forth from Llandudno and Old Colwyn. From a distance it looked empty and I didn't encounter the slightest sign of any traffic congestion
That's appalling! I believe the event was moved down to that end of the Prom in order to make Porth Eirias look useful. Sadly, it seems the curse of Porth Eirias has struck again...
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on June 03, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
Porth Eirias: First look inside Bryn's seafront bistro

WORK on the seafront bistro at Porth Eirias is now in its final stages.
 With the long awaited opening now weeks away, Pioneer reporter Dean Jones and photographer Terry Williams were given an exclusive tour of the site located within the £3.9million watersports complex by chef Bryn Williams.
Mr Williams, said: “Everything is progressing nicely now and although work is still ongoing, its nice to see things coming to life.
“It has been hard work, but nothing worth having comes easy and I am confident it will be an asset to Colwyn Bay and North Wales. This part of the world means a lot to me and I have been in London for the last 18 years, but North Wales will always be home and I just can’t wait to get started.”
The bistro will be open from 9am to 9pm seven days a week, and will create 22 jobs. An opening date has not been confirmed due to work still ongoing.
 
Once open, the site will be split into a restaurant, bar and cafe, creating what Mr Williams hopes will be a relaxed and noisy atmosphere with something for everyone.
 
He said: “I want to encourage interaction, I want there to be plenty of conversation as it will be a noisy place anyway with the open kitchen, so we are looking at ways that we can make it as enjoyable as possible.”
 
The chef, who hopes to work at the bistro during its initial opening, explained that he would be employing two apprentices to work under himself and head chef Richard Williams, who will oversee the day-to-day running of the bistro with a restaurant manager.
 
Williams said: “I have also sourced suppliers from across North Wales to ensure that this is a place that showcases the best food the area has to offer, and if customers don’t like some of the things we are doing, then we are flexible enough to change it round.”
 
The chef is still looking to fill a few positions at the bistro.
To apply send your CV to portheirias@bryn-williams.co.uk.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/148730/porth-eirias-first-look-inside-bryn-s-seafront-bistro.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/148730/porth-eirias-first-look-inside-bryn-s-seafront-bistro.aspx)

Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 04, 2015, 09:23:04 AM
I'm glad to see it will be open all day, I just hope that it provides food & drink at a reasonable price for visitors to the beach.  $good$
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: hollins on June 04, 2015, 09:30:20 AM
Not sure about the emphasis on how noisy it will be.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on June 04, 2015, 09:53:21 AM
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I'm glad to see it will be open all day, I just hope that it provides food & drink at a reasonable price for visitors to the beach.
I agree, but the closing time of 9 PM raises the question, is it an over funded beach cafe or a "high end venue" restaurant/tourist attraction.   &shake&
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 04, 2015, 10:00:41 AM
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I'm glad to see it will be open all day, I just hope that it provides food & drink at a reasonable price for visitors to the beach.
I agree, but the closing time of 9 PM raises the question, is it an over funded beach cafe or a "high end venue" restaurant/tourist attraction.   &shake&
I think it will try to be all things to all people - a difficult task to achieve!

When I was on Menorca, I was struck by the sensible attitude they had towards food & drink provision on the beach. The largest beach on the Island, Son Bou, has three wooden shack style cafe/restaurants on it, all of which served a full range of affordable food and drink. Although they were busy, service was quick, friendly and efficient and the food was good.

In the local area, we seem to struggle to get it right, perhaps a consequence of certain CCBC management having 'delusions of grandeur', instead of concentrating on the basics. I get the impression a lot of these projects are approved with an eye to adding an impressive entry to their CV, rather than providing what is needed for residents and visitors.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on June 04, 2015, 09:33:01 PM
   Going back to the Prom day I've just read White Rabbits post. Well, White Rabbit, I hate to write this especially to you of all people because of your intimate knowledge of the Cayley embankment properties. But the present residents have been united in absolute opposition to the old prom day when sited in what they considered their front garden.  Absolutely everything they hate, masses of "ordinary" people enjoying themselves in a noisy way, and even worse daring to park their cars on the public highway which happens to be within sight of they lounge windows. I bet they have had a say in having it moved.
   I must add an apology to White Rabbit. I know you moved away from there many many years ago. I am sure you would have put up with it for one day in the year without complaining.
  Oh, and another comment, no doubt true. People left because of the terrible western wind. Well O.K., but imagine if it had been a TERRIBLE eastern wind.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: alw on June 05, 2015, 06:46:34 PM
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People left because of the terrible western wind. Well O.K., but imagine if it had been a TERRIBLE eastern wind.

A terrible easterly wind is fine, but the westerly that day was described as "atrocious"   :P
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: SteveH on June 08, 2015, 05:23:02 PM
COLWYN BAY WATERFRONT PROJECT
Project Updates 2015
Colwyn Bay Beach
April 2015
The public realm landscaping scheme west of the Princess Court Apartments has now been substantially completed. Seating units and planting beds will be installed outside the Toad Hall public house in the coming weeks which will complete this phase of work.

Last month saw the installation of ten bespoke seating units on the recently refurbished promenade between Porth Eirias and the Pier. These units were commissioned with support from Arts Council Wales and were designed and manufactured by Freshwest Design.  team has now been appointed for the Phase 2 Promenade Enhancement works, the next phase of the Waterfront Project. Work will now begin on developing design proposals for the area west of the Pier up to the eastern extent of the Cayley embankment.

A consultant design team has now been appointed for the Phase 2 Promenade Enhancement works, the next phase of the Waterfront Project. Work will now begin on developing design proposals for the area west of the Pier up to the eastern extent of the Cayley embankment.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/section.asp?cat=8697&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/section.asp?cat=8697&Language=1)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 09, 2015, 08:55:40 AM
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COLWYN BAY WATERFRONT PROJECT
Project Updates 2015
Colwyn Bay Beach
April 2015
The public realm landscaping scheme west of the Princess Court Apartments has now been substantially completed. Seating units and planting beds will be installed outside the Toad Hall public house in the coming weeks which will complete this phase of work.
Yet more concrete used for the planters and seats outside the Toad pub. It looks great when its new, but give it ten years and it will look grimy and dirty.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Nemesis on June 09, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Chaos on there yesterday tea time. I also noticed that the demolition of the Rothsay has begun.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: white rabbit on June 09, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
Referring to Ormegolf's post on 4th June which I have just seen - When we lived there we would have welcombed the Prom Day and joined in - what type of people live there now?
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: ormegolf on June 10, 2015, 02:40:24 PM
  Basically rich people ( nothing wrong with that of course) but rich people who moved there for the facts it has views and it does ent get that many visitors. And definitely not inebriated visitors wearing the equivalent version of kiss me quick hats. And the smell from the hot dogs die sent mix with our evening cocktails
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: white rabbit on June 10, 2015, 08:12:42 PM
 :'( :o :'(
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: DaveR on June 23, 2015, 11:55:15 AM
Porth Eirias: Final preparations being made at seafront bistro ahead of opening

Published date: 23 June 2015
Published by: Dean Jones



FINAL preparations are being made at the Porth Eirias seafront bistro ahead of its long awaited opening.

With construction work located within £3.9million watersports complex almost complete, chef Bryn Williams has been busy training staff and finalising the menu before the facility opens its doors.

Talking to Pioneer reporter Dean Jones on a site visit, Mr Williams said: “It is great to see everything coming together now and we are not too far away.

“The menus have been sorted and will be printed in both English and Welsh, in keeping with the local theme I want Porth Eirias to have.

“I want it to be about local food for local people, and hopefully that will make it a place that can be a boost to the economy in the region.”

Mr Williams, together with business partner David Owen will hold meetings this week in regards to an official opening, which will be revealed at a later date.

A number of suppliers have been sourced from the region including Tan Lan Bakery in Rhos on Sea, Menai Oysters in Llanfairpwll and the Great Orme Brewery in Llandudno.

In keeping with the local theme, around 95 per cent of the staff are from Colwyn Bay and surrounding area, with 22 full and part-time jobs made available by the TV chef.

Mr Williams said: “Everyone is really keen and getting all the training they need, but I want everything to be perfect before we open.

“We are there to be shot at so I want to make sure that we are prepared for every eventuality to ensure we get off to a good start.”

Once open, the site will be split into a restaurant, bar and cafe, creating what Mr Williams hopes will be a relaxed and noisy atmosphere with something for everyone.

The bistro will be open from 9am to 9pm seven days a week.

Cllr Graham Rees, Cabinet Member for Tourism, Marketing and Leisure, said: “The project has had a lot of criticism from some quarters but it looks absolutely tremendous and I think it justifies the investment Conwy council is making in the regeneration of Colwyn Bay.”

http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/149401/porth-eirias-final-preparations-being-made-at-seafront-bistro-ahead-of-opening.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/149401/porth-eirias-final-preparations-being-made-at-seafront-bistro-ahead-of-opening.aspx)
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Fester on June 24, 2015, 12:45:53 PM
I think it looks rubbish!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: born2run on June 24, 2015, 04:15:56 PM
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I think it looks rubbish!

 ;D Looks a bit like it's been repossessed and they are about to take the last of the remaining furniture away!
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: BMD on June 25, 2015, 01:26:31 PM
 :laugh: The interior designers have got a tough job with this building. How do you get a "bistro" atmosphere in that sterile, awkwardly planned space (complete with exposed industrial-style "ceiling")? I'll be interested to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Colwyn Bay Waterfront Redevelopment
Post by: Daihardwelshman on June 25, 2015, 02:42:51 PM
I have actually been shown round the place, and like alot of people, have been a harsh critic of this place since its completion and lack of facilities.

However i was really surprised at how good the place looks(the photo does not give a real look at what the place is like) and how they are catering for both bistro customers and cafe customers. I was told by them that they know they have an uphill task to win the local support around and that is why they are making sure everything is ready for the opening.From what i saw the prices are very competitive locally and certainly not London prices but for my part, i am willing to give the place a chance and will be visiting at some point.
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Post by: SteveH on June 25, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
Good to hear ......the first positive comment...................fingers crossed.
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Post by: DaveR on June 26, 2015, 09:26:12 AM
I'm certainly going to give it a try.  $good$
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Post by: white rabbit on June 27, 2015, 08:32:13 PM
I don't think it looks very inviting but will probably give it a try sometime............... :D :D
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Post by: SteveH on July 01, 2015, 06:27:41 PM
BRYN'S IN: Looks like Conwy's cabinet will be diving straight in to support Bryn Williams' Porth Eirias restaurant venture. Been a long time coming...........cnlr. Chris Hughes
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Post by: norman08 on July 01, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
Just looked at the menu online ,  come on fish fingers (how many lol) chips and peas £11.95  _))*
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Post by: bigbadhenry on July 02, 2015, 07:40:05 AM
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Just looked at the menu online ,  come on fish fingers (how many lol) chips and peas £11.95  _))*

At those prices I'll stay away as will most families.
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Post by: Nemesis on July 02, 2015, 09:46:26 AM
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Just looked at the menu online ,  come on fish fingers (how many lol) chips and peas £11.95  _))*

Please could you post a link to the on-line menu?
Thanks
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Post by: hollins on July 02, 2015, 10:04:43 AM
It took me ages to find it too.

http://portheirias.com/ (http://portheirias.com/)
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Post by: DaveR on July 02, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
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It took me ages to find it too.

http://portheirias.com/ (http://portheirias.com/)
Nice menu, I'll look forward to trying it.  $good$
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Post by: Nemesis on July 02, 2015, 11:58:17 AM
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It took me ages to find it too.

http://portheirias.com/ (http://portheirias.com/)

Thanks for that Hollins  ;D
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Post by: Daihardwelshman on July 02, 2015, 01:18:02 PM
The prices are on par with that of the Pen y Bryn, Hickories, Cottage loaf etc.......
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Post by: Tom Davidson on July 02, 2015, 03:24:29 PM
After walking to the Bay from Llandudno Junction, I paid a visit to Porth Eirias this morning -  had myself some scrambled eggs followed by salt and pepper squid. The food was excellent but one or two teething problems evident. Review on the Daily Post soon.  $good$
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Post by: Fester on July 02, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
Teething problems indeed Tom!
They have put it on a plate slanted at a 90 degree angle... and I bet all the food slid off!  :laugh:
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Post by: BMD on July 02, 2015, 05:13:33 PM
 :laugh:

I went in this afternoon, and just had a beer. They let me sit in the restaurant area - even though it was quite busy.

The kitchen looks pretty cramped. When you think of the amount of wasted space in the building generally (think of the badly-planned corridors, etc, that they padded out the oversized zinc-cladded section with when they realised it wasn't going to house an "observation room")...

My dislike of the building aside, I guess they've done an okay job of putting in a 'bistro', bar and cafe. I'd still get rid of that rather pointless big circular reception desk, and use the space in some way as part of the cafe.

They've really put the Bryn Williams stamp on the building. Such is the power of celebrity, I guess. A council that bends over backwards for you, hands you a £3.9m building to make your own, even funds refitting the kitchen. I hope Bryn is serious about giving something back to the community. How about he gives us free meals for a few months, to pay back all the money we've given him!
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Post by: hollins on July 02, 2015, 07:07:09 PM
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After walking to the Bay from Llandudno Junction, I paid a visit to Porth Eirias this morning -  had myself some scrambled eggs followed by salt and pepper squid. The food was excellent but one or two teething problems evident. Review on the Daily Post soon.  $good$

Loved your twitter blow by blow account with photos of your lunch Tom!
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Post by: SDQ on July 02, 2015, 07:18:47 PM
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After walking to the Bay from Llandudno Junction, I paid a visit to Porth Eirias this morning -  had myself some scrambled eggs followed by salt and pepper squid. The food was excellent but one or two teething problems evident. Review on the Daily Post soon.  $good$

Loved your twitter blow by blow account with photos of your lunch Tom!


I enjoyed reading them too. Keep up the good work!
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Post by: DaveR on July 03, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Good to see the man himself welcoming customers today:
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Post by: white rabbit on July 03, 2015, 08:59:56 PM
I went with a friend for a cofee this afternoon.  Welcomed by Bryn and shown to a table - it was wobbly so we were moved to another!  We had a capuccino each but with no sprinkles! Teething problems I presume.  It was quite busy, the menu looked interesting and we may try again sometime - quite liked the atmosphere  :)
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Post by: Fester on July 04, 2015, 12:20:37 AM
Dave, the guy behind the bar, and Glyn (whatever his name is) look like they have spotted you taking pics of them... and they are going to beat you up!!   $angry1$ $angry1$ *punch*
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Post by: Tom Davidson on July 05, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
I'm glad to hear SOMEONE at least is enjoying my twitter - I get some ribbing for tweeting too much. it really does mean a lot to know it's appreciated. 

In case you've missed it, here's my full review: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/food-bryn-williams-porth-eirias-9580963 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/food-bryn-williams-porth-eirias-9580963)

I'm revisiting on Tuesday evening for a full meal.
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Post by: BMD on July 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM
Thanks, Tom - a fair and informative review. You left a £4.10 tip! Is the Daily Post rolling in money?
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Post by: Ian on July 05, 2015, 11:19:49 AM
Thanks, Tom. Looked delicious...
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Post by: Tom Davidson on July 06, 2015, 08:27:15 AM
One funny thing worth noting - I got a call yesterday evening that apparently Porth Eirias haven't got their permanent alcohol licence yet so I'll have to bring my own bottle on Tuesday evening... and they've had so long to prepare!


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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 06, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
 &shake& you couldn't make it up really!  L0L
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Post by: BMD on July 06, 2015, 09:15:45 AM
That's odd - they served me a glass of beer last week (very nice it was too - 'Great Orme Celtica'). Does this mean they had a temporary licence that's now run out (and aren't currently serving any alcohol)? I don't know how these things work, but it sounds like terrible planning.
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Post by: Tom Davidson on July 06, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
Yes I think it was a temporary licence.
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Post by: SDQ on July 06, 2015, 10:45:54 AM
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One funny thing worth noting - I got a call yesterday evening that apparently Porth Eirias haven't got their permanent alcohol licence yet so I'll have to bring my own bottle on Tuesday evening... and they've had so long to prepare!