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Title: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on September 08, 2010, 09:04:33 AM
I see that the Consultants Report on the state of the Landing Stage at the end of Llandudno Pier has now been issued under a FOI Request.

The conclusion is that substantial repair/replacement work needs to be carried out, at a cost in the region of £320,000.

Would this be money well spent? Well, it depends upon whose money is being spent, I suppose! Six Piers Ltd will never stump up that sort of cash in a million years, so it would fall upon a combination of Conwy Council/Llandudno Town Council/Welsh Assembly.

The big benefit would be that Llandudno could once again be placed on the Itinerary of visiting Cruise Ships and this really isnt a pie in the sky idea, the 1,900 passenger MS Westerdam visited Holyhead in August. The liner is one of 10 ships booked in at Holyhead in 2010 with a predicted £800,000 pumped into the local economy:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/08/03/giant-cruise-liner-to-dock-at-holyhead-55578-26983473/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/08/03/giant-cruise-liner-to-dock-at-holyhead-55578-26983473/)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/458536395_29589660a4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/458536395/)
Landing Stage (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/458536395/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr

Report: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43706/response/112658/attach/4/LLANDUDNO%20PIER%20FENDER%20REPORT%2009%2011%202009.pdf (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43706/response/112658/attach/4/LLANDUDNO%20PIER%20FENDER%20REPORT%2009%2011%202009.pdf)


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on September 08, 2010, 10:41:03 AM
I the grand scheme of things, £320,000 isn't actually that much.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Paddy on September 08, 2010, 08:51:04 PM
Don't forget to include the cost of extras and delays Ian!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bellringer on September 08, 2010, 09:08:06 PM
And VAT at the new rate, that is unless there is a waiver of some kind! I presume it is listed?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 09, 2011, 04:36:49 PM
I found this post on Oscar's blog interesting:

Tongue in Cheeky said...

Piers are becoming an endangered species. Llandudno has probably one of, if not the best, piers in the country. Llandudno pier isn't what it could be due to lack of investment. Revenue from it doesn't live up to it's potential; basically a chicken and egg situation. The result is that it is getting tawdry with too many "cheap" attractions and detractions. If CCBC are going to spend any money on piers it should be directed towards helping Llandudno pier rather than pouring our cash into the ever open money pit which is Colwyn Bay pier. If Colwyn Bay pier was fully restored it would still only be a third rate pier surmounted by a tin box. Llandudno is group one!

Revive the pier head orchestra, dump the plastic playground rides, revamp and strengthen the pierhead landing facilities, replace the missing "gingerbread" and keep it all in repair. Encourage the building of a quality attraction such as an ice rink,opera house, music venue or casino on the Pavillion site, encourage fishing, encourage steamer trips and work to encourage the older generation back to Llandudno.

Llandudno is not Rhyl, not Colwyn Bay. It is a huge mistake to copy either one's gaudy attractions or the others dereliction.  Quality not crap is the way forward for Conwy County!



I think the main problem with Llandudno Pier is the owners, Six Piers Ltd. Their only interest is in sucking out as much money as possible out of Llandudno without investing to build up the business. The Pier needs to be brought back into local ownership - who's willing to invest a few quid?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on January 09, 2011, 10:44:43 PM
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Encourage the building of a quality attraction such as an ice rink,opera house, music venue or casino on the Pavillion site,

Nice idea except you'll never get planning permission for an ice rink because of the lack of Parking; put it up by the Ski Slope.
Opera House or Music Venue? No, for the same reason, plus it would be in direct completion with Venue Cymru which can't make a commercial success of it's operation as it is.
As for the Casino idea, sorry Oscar what’s the use in having a Casino with no Bar as it's in the covenants that you can't sell alcohol on the site and oh yes did I mention you can't gamble on the site either.

He does love to express his opinions but I wish he was a little better informed before he stirred up this old muck heap once again
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 10, 2011, 09:54:16 AM
It was actually a commentator on Oscar's blog that put forward the ideas, not the great man himself.  ;)

The Covenants restricting the usage are in favour of the Pier's owners, currently Six Piers Ltd. In the scenario presented, the Pavilion site and Pier would be reunited under single ownership, therefore the Covenants would not be relevant.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Pavilion site's current owner realises that he is responsible for 50% of the cost of repairs to the sea wall outside the Pavilion?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on January 10, 2011, 04:46:00 PM
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Incidentally, I wonder if the Pavilion site's current owner realises that he is responsible for 50% of the cost of repairs to the sea wall outside the Pavilion?

On the subject of repairs: if my reading of the covenants contained in the Pier Conveyance are correct, 6 piers are resposable for: and I quote

"And also that the Llandudno Company ( now 6 Piers ) shall and will unless and until their said Pier Landing stage and other works or some parts thereof shall cease by due authority of law to be open for public use at all times will and effectually uphold maintain and repair the said Pier Landing stage and all necessary works and conveniences connected therewith or so much thereof as shall be authorised for full use in a state and condition fit and proper for public use"

I wonder how they got out of that one, or why, when the Landing Stage was closed due to its unsafe condition, the Council didn't serve them an enforcement order to repair and restore it for Public use.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 23, 2011, 06:57:43 PM
The repairs to the decking have been completed and workmen are preparing to reinstate the handrail. Credit to MP Marine from Maryport, the standard of their work is very good.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
The Pier Fishing Tackle Shop is now empty and to Let:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on January 24, 2011, 08:43:15 PM
Just hope someone takes the bait!       ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2011, 08:50:08 PM
..and they've got the money to 'tackle' a business like that....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2011, 08:50:39 PM
maybe the pier manager is 'angling' for a rent increase?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 24, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
something fishy there  _))*  and you have to listen all day long to some awful music in that location  ¢¢##  (I assume some must like it, but to me it's bad) 2 or 3 months ago someone from the bait shop was having a blazing row with the 'music' man as we passed by  :o   >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on January 25, 2011, 07:30:09 AM
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something fishy there

I'm hooked :-)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 25, 2011, 07:46:56 AM
do you need to be called 'ROD' to work there?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2011, 09:00:19 AM
Not really the right 'PLAICE'
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 25, 2011, 09:31:51 AM
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someone from the bait shop was having a blazing row with the 'music' man as we passed by
Mick Edwards, the one that 'appears here regular'? Some would say, too regular...

http://www.mick-edwards.co.uk/ (http://www.mick-edwards.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 25, 2011, 10:09:18 AM
It was someone from that kiosk, I don't know if it was the man himself or not?  I notice the website says  'with a selection of music that caters for all tastes'  certainly not our tastes!

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2011, 11:24:40 AM
Mine neither, but I know a couple who sit there all day, just to listen to him. Ouch !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on January 25, 2011, 11:36:26 AM
We've been spotted !   Not just by you, but also ungraciously by the b****y seagulls!    _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on January 25, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
 :-* The Seagulls have lived here longer than nearly all the councillors. 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on January 25, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
Seagulls have a lifespan of between 5 and 15 years depending upon the environment, predators etc.   D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 25, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
Speaking of birds lifespans and the pier, let me combine the two by mentioning that there has been a dead pigeon floating in the 'Fire Dept' water game at the end of the pier for about a week or so now.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2011, 09:25:51 PM
Yeuk--- gross! :puke2:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 25, 2011, 09:29:32 PM
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Speaking of birds lifespans and the pier, let me combine the two by mentioning that there has been a dead pigeon floating in the 'Fire Dept' water game at the end of the pier for about a week or so now.

no excuse for that at all and a shame for the pigeon too  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 26, 2011, 06:53:10 PM
From 1971, when the Pier was a livelier place

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 26, 2011, 07:39:06 PM
excellent, I remember riding on the 'vintage car world tour', they were made by Supercars of Leamington Spa who my Grandfather did work for, they were models of the Ford Model T
I'll have a look in Wetherspoons sometime to see if they have exactly the same poster up ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 26, 2011, 08:27:17 PM
I see that the Welsh Gifts kiosk on the Pier is the latest to close down. They guy that ran it had been there 30 years, there was a sign in the window that used to say so.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 27, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
the pier looks like its going to be very quiet this year :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 27, 2011, 09:29:27 PM
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Speaking of birds lifespans and the pier, let me combine the two by mentioning that there has been a dead pigeon floating in the 'Fire Dept' water game at the end of the pier for about a week or so now.

Dave, you've waited long enough.... under the laws of finders-keepers,  its yours. 
You can collect it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on January 27, 2011, 09:58:56 PM
Think I have a recipe for pigeon pie somewhere ! :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on January 28, 2011, 01:48:06 AM
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excellent, I remember riding on the 'vintage car world tour', they were made by Supercars of Leamington Spa who my Grandfather did work for, they were models of the Ford Model T
I'll have a look in Wetherspoons sometime to see if they have exactly the same poster up ;)

Didn't they have two 'steering wheels' one on the passenger side & one one the driver's side?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on January 28, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
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Think I have a recipe for pigeon pie somewhere !

Er..won't it be pigeon soup by now?


 ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 28, 2011, 08:56:01 AM
It looked remarkably well preserved when I last saw it. Maybe the cold weather is helping to preserve it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 28, 2011, 08:58:59 AM
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excellent, I remember riding on the 'vintage car world tour', they were made by Supercars of Leamington Spa who my Grandfather did work for, they were models of the Ford Model T
I'll have a look in Wetherspoons sometime to see if they have exactly the same poster up ;)

Didn't they have two 'steering wheels' one on the passenger side & one one the driver's side?

I seem to recall that they did, but it was a long time ago now!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 28, 2011, 09:01:09 AM
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Think I have a recipe for pigeon pie somewhere !

Er..won't it be pigeon soup by now?


 ;D

I just hope none of my pigeons are reading this!  :( :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 28, 2011, 06:17:32 PM
Arnie is accounted for I trust?

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 28, 2011, 06:23:07 PM
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Arnie is accounted for I trust?



safe and well  D) and very friendly 8)


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 29, 2011, 02:44:02 PM
earlier this afternoon we went for a walk on the pier only to find it closed at both entrances, seems madness on a nice sunny day like this  ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 29, 2011, 04:15:36 PM
Frozen Pipes, means no toilets, no cafe, no bar.... and no work for me!



Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 29, 2011, 04:25:53 PM
Not sure what difference the frozen pipes actually make, as when I walked up last weekend, the bar was closed (it was being painted on a Sunday!) and the cafe and toilets were closed also. Certainly wasn't freezing then either! It's almost like they don't want customers to spend any money....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 29, 2011, 04:47:47 PM
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It's almost like they don't want customers to spend any money....

you could be right there, yet they put kiosk rents up  :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 29, 2011, 05:14:30 PM
Don't worry.
On a freezing day like this, no one ever wants to spend money, (it means taking your gloves off)
...and I am too full of flu to work in any case!

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 29, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
off their trolly?
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5398623328_a587e2a302.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56944437@N05/5398623328/)
DSCF1334 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56944437@N05/5398623328/#) by AJones56 (http://www.flickr.com/people/56944437@N05/), on Flickr

get well soon Fester!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on January 30, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
I like that shot.  :)

The only sign of life is that seagull overhead.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 30, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
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I like that shot.  :)

The only sign of life is that seagull overhead.

Look closer mate, its actually a UFO !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 30, 2011, 05:31:38 PM
The Pier was closed again this morning, there were lots of people milling about outside the main entrance but they were unable to walk up the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 01, 2011, 09:36:05 PM
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On the subject of repairs: if my reading of the covenants contained in the Pier Conveyance are correct, 6 piers are resposable for: and I quote

"And also that the Llandudno Company ( now 6 Piers ) shall and will unless and until their said Pier Landing stage and other works or some parts thereof shall cease by due authority of law to be open for public use at all times will and effectually uphold maintain and repair the said Pier Landing stage and all necessary works and conveniences connected therewith or so much thereof as shall be authorised for full use in a state and condition fit and proper for public use"

I wonder how they got out of that one, or why, when the Landing Stage was closed due to its unsafe condition, the Council didn't serve them an enforcement order to repair and restore it for Public use.
This covenant specifically applies to the new (current) Landing Stage, in a Conveyance dated 3 March 1970:

""The Purchaser hereby covenants with the Queen's Majesty and Her Successors and as a separate covenant with the Commissioners at all times to keep the said berthing dolphins and the said extensions to the landing stage at the head of the said pier in a good state of repair to the reasonable satisfaction of the Commissioners.""
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 01, 2011, 09:39:34 PM
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On the subject of repairs: if my reading of the covenants contained in the Pier Conveyance are correct, 6 piers are resposable for: and I quote

"And also that the Llandudno Company ( now 6 Piers ) shall and will unless and until their said Pier Landing stage and other works or some parts thereof shall cease by due authority of law to be open for public use at all times will and effectually uphold maintain and repair the said Pier Landing stage and all necessary works and conveniences connected therewith or so much thereof as shall be authorised for full use in a state and condition fit and proper for public use"

I wonder how they got out of that one, or why, when the Landing Stage was closed due to its unsafe condition, the Council didn't serve them an enforcement order to repair and restore it for Public use.
This covenant specifically applies to the new (current) Landing Stage, in a Conveyance dated 3 March 1970:

""The Purchaser hereby covenants with the Queen's Majesty and Her Successors and as a separate covenant with the Commissioners at all times to keep the said berthing dolphins and the said extensions to the landing stage at the head of the said pier in a good state of repair to the reasonable satisfaction of the Commissioners.""

The 2009 Survey of the Landing Stage can be read here:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43706/response/112658/attach/4/LLANDUDNO%20PIER%20FENDER%20REPORT%2009%2011%202009.pdf (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43706/response/112658/attach/4/LLANDUDNO%20PIER%20FENDER%20REPORT%2009%2011%202009.pdf)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 08, 2011, 01:40:46 PM
We went for a walk this morning and thought we would have a walk on the pier on this lovely sunny day.......it was closed again  :rage:  it can't be frozen pipes this time?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 08, 2011, 02:01:19 PM
Laziness on the part of management, I expect....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 08, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
I have to wonder if the pier's management have lost the location of their marbles, how they raise rents and then keep closing it without even putting up a sign saying' sorry we are closed due to 'xyz', will be open 'xyz''  it's all bonkers in my book :roll:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 08, 2011, 03:02:33 PM
Looked to be open this PM when we went past.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on February 08, 2011, 08:24:05 PM
I thought the Pier always closed for repairs in the closed season. I know it went out of fashion for a while went Leisure Parks bought it from First Leisure but if it ensures the long term survival of the Pier how can you object?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 08, 2011, 08:27:51 PM
Nothing to do with maintenance, just management not been bothered to unlock the gates. It was eventually opened at about 12pm today.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: badman123 on February 11, 2011, 10:32:59 AM
made contact with simon the pier manager almost 3 weeks ago about the tackle shop and still had no return call left several messages and still no contact from him#is this the way to run a pier?????????????
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 14, 2011, 06:12:28 PM
I understand the Tackle Shop has been let to the guy from Rhos Point Tackle - his van was outside it today.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: andrea1976 on February 23, 2011, 08:14:10 PM
yes it has,we got a letter from him to say he had taken over the bait shop,its going to be called pier point and we were able to renew our member ship  ;D so now when were down in march we can fish !!! L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 23, 2011, 11:11:16 PM
You could have fished anyway.... now you'll have to pay for the privilege !

Look forward to seeing you Andrea...   $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: andrea1976 on February 24, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
Haha never mind,he likes to do some night fishing when were down so with being a member you can.i will pop into your shop to say hi  :D and of course get some more fab soaps  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 24, 2011, 10:57:46 PM
Pop in and say hello .... you dont have to buy things to come and chat to me!

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: brumbob on February 24, 2011, 11:02:41 PM
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Pop in and say hello .... you dont have to buy things to come and chat to me!


great business man  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 12, 2011, 10:06:37 PM
A hideous new building has appeared at the end of the pier, totally unsympathetic to the design of the other buildings and towering over the bar. It's apparently going to house some large grabber cranes eventually.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 13, 2011, 02:55:59 AM
Looks like the River City Jazz Men have put it to good use.

Reminds me of the small stage near Faulke's Cave, in which the Scarlet Merrions played.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2011, 05:38:40 PM
Disappointing to see Six Piers Ltd approach to a Listed Structure; the original 1883 cast iron lamp standards outside the Leisure Island arcade were hacksawed off some time ago - they were in perfect condition, so why do it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2011, 06:05:32 PM
must be illegal surely?  :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
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must be illegal surely?  :rage:
There's quite a few alterations gone on over the years that take no consideration for the Pier's Listed status. I might document one or two more on here.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
Another 'put your feet in fish' business is almost ready to open on the pier:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2011, 06:36:25 PM
that'll put people off the fish and chips in the kiosk nearby!  L0L

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: brumbob on March 17, 2011, 06:47:28 PM
After receiving enquiries from local environmental health officers, officials at Britain's Health Protection Agency (HPA) said they were launching an investigation into possible infection risks associated with the exfoliation treatment after concerns it may spread infection.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 17, 2011, 06:55:13 PM
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After receiving enquiries from local environmental health officers, officials at Britain's Health Protection Agency (HPA) said they were launching an investigation into possible infection risks associated with the exfoliation treatment after concerns it may spread infection.

The practice is banned in several American states and Canadian provinces as cosmetology regulators believe the practice is unsanitary, with the Wall Street Journal claiming that "cosmetology regulations generally mandate that tools need to be discarded or sanitized after each use.

But epidermis-eating fish are too expensive to throw away"  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 17, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Drop a cup of Domestos in the water!    L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
Very low tide this afternoon, the water was only about 3 foot deep even by the Landing Stage at the end of the Pier and you could see the seabed very clearly. You could also see the amount of rubbish that has been dumped in there over the years!

First pic shows the seabed under the Landing Stage covered in old pieces of timber.
Second pic shows the remains of am ornate railing panel that is lying on the seabed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Pendragon on March 18, 2011, 06:10:17 PM
There's not much difference between the rusty railings under the water and the ones intact on the pier!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2011, 06:18:35 PM
Come now, you know the pier is maintained to the highest standards:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 18, 2011, 06:36:24 PM
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Very low tide this afternoon, the water was only about 3 foot deep even by the Landing Stage at the end of the Pier and you could see the seabed very clearly. You could also see the amount of rubbish that has been dumped in there over the years!



no cars at all?  :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2011, 07:15:07 PM
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Very low tide this afternoon, the water was only about 3 foot deep even by the Landing Stage at the end of the Pier and you could see the seabed very clearly. You could also see the amount of rubbish that has been dumped in there over the years!
no cars at all?  :)
I didn't go down onto the Landing Stage as the gate was closed.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 18, 2011, 07:36:12 PM
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Very low tide this afternoon, the water was only about 3 foot deep even by the Landing Stage at the end of the Pier and you could see the seabed very clearly. You could also see the amount of rubbish that has been dumped in there over the years!
no cars at all?  :)
I didn't go down onto the Landing Stage as the gate was closed.  :(

there is a much lower tide tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 18, 2011, 07:38:01 PM
Spring is in the air !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
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there is a much lower tide tomorrow  :)
Ah yes, 16.09. Might pop down if I'm in the area. You will almost be able to walk out as far as the end of the pier on the beach.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 18, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
A picture of the underneath of Fester's Shop would be an interesting subject for the Quiz Game!!  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: brumbob on March 18, 2011, 07:53:10 PM
What goes out must come in, watch out for the tsunami  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 18, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
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A picture of the underneath of Fester's Shop would be an interesting subject for the Quiz Game!!  L0L

I'll try that if you promise not to know it  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 18, 2011, 08:44:23 PM
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Very low tide this afternoon, the water was only about 3 foot deep even by the Landing Stage at the end of the Pier and you could see the seabed very clearly. You could also see the amount of rubbish that has been dumped in there over the years!
no cars at all?  :)
I didn't go down onto the Landing Stage as the gate was closed.  :(

You may have been able to spot original 1883 cast iron lamp standards that were hack-sawed off.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 19, 2011, 08:19:46 AM
Probably been sold for scrap, given Iron and Metal prices right now.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 19, 2011, 07:55:06 PM
went to the pier today, very low tide but a slight wind meant that you could not see clearly through the water  :( still amazing what you can see!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 19, 2011, 08:05:07 PM
I wonder if there's any remnants of the original pier down there?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: brumbob on March 19, 2011, 08:13:46 PM
wasn't the original pier elsewhere?
ie further around the Orme
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
There are clear remnants of the original Pier, mostly to the left (near the Happy Valley gates) ... underneath,  and the original wooden footings can still be seen to both sides.
Dave posted pictures of them on here not long ago.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 19, 2011, 08:40:50 PM
The original pier didn't bend around past the Grand Hotel like it does today, hence it only had one entrance.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2011, 08:42:19 PM
The Original wooden pier crossed the site of todays pier... hence the reason that remnants still exist to both sides of it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Where the original Pier joined land, just by the present Happy Valley entrance to the Pier

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 19, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
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The Original wooden pier crossed the site of todays pier... hence the reason that remnants still exist to both sides of it.

I didn't know the original pier was made entirely from wood.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
Only ever meant to be a temporary structure... hastily erected, to protect the company's right to erect a pier ... in the timescale allowed by the Dept of Trade.    Then to be developed and improved later...(when more money was raised)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2011, 09:21:09 PM
You can clearly see in this shot how the angle of the original pier differed from the present one.

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 20, 2011, 01:20:25 AM
This was the next one then......
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 20, 2011, 08:47:27 AM
Yes, before extra kiosks were added and the Pierhead extended.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on March 28, 2011, 11:43:38 AM
Sad to see two kiosks selling gollywogs on the pier.  Sad that they are still made,  :-[and sad that the people selling them don't seem to realise that they are racist,.  The displays would not be acceptable in any of our cities.  it only takes one black person to come along and take offence and report the owners to the race Relations board. :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 28, 2011, 01:35:46 PM
What a load of bollocks!   There is nothing racist about Gollywogs as far as ordinary people are concerned.  The only racist thoughts come from those who are themselves racist!    :rage:

Bring back the Robinson's Golly I say!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: brumbob on March 28, 2011, 02:56:20 PM
Not illegal so no problem

Should all rag dolls be white Llechwedd?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 28, 2011, 04:32:17 PM
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Not illegal so no problem

Should all rag dolls be white Llechwedd?

What about the Yellow, and Brown?   If we ever get Martians, Green also!    L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: white rabbit on March 28, 2011, 07:45:49 PM
I used to have a golliwog and I loved it!!  Even got a photo if I knew how to post it on here!!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2011, 08:48:23 PM
Llechwedd,  opinion seems to be divided on this subject..

You think that golliwogs are racist .... and everyone else in the world thinks that is nonsense.

An even split on this subject then.. ha ha.

Pray tell, how does a golliwog offend you personally?

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: suepp on March 28, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
I don't like  "Gollywog" as it can be used as a term of abuse, and if anyone is offended by it on the grounds of race, then it is racist. I personally wouldn't buy anything from a shop that displayed them. Political correctness it may be but this was originally a reaction to the way in which casual racism and sexism existed in the workplace and society in general, and I'm glad it is no longer tolerated.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 28, 2011, 10:54:05 PM
We have a small collection of Robertsons Gollies including a large advertising gollie about 3 foot tall, that does not make us racist at all, I've always found that it's just politically correct white people who worry about it   ¢¢##
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 29, 2011, 02:51:42 AM
I had a white Golly called "Honkey"

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 29, 2011, 09:06:17 AM
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I've always found that it's just politically correct white people who worry about it

I's a curious one, the Golly issue.  But it does raise an interesting issue, which is that what folk call 'political correctness' is , perhaps,  just a synonym for 'politeness'.  In fact, these days I doubt if any ethnic minorities give a fig about the Gollywog, but might still object to being referred to as a 'Wog'. FWIW, I suspect the real problem - as ME alludes to - is other people taking offence on behalf of others. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 29, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
We've gone right off the topic of 'Llandudno pier'  :) but I'm 100% in favour of politeness, but this politically correct nonsense when we had such things as person hole covers (manhole) and chairperson became ridiculous. I've even heard of ladies being offended if you hold the door open for them or give up your seat on a bus for them?? Sometimes, whatever you do or say is wrong  :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 29, 2011, 10:48:30 AM
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when we had such things as person hole covers (manhole) and chairperson became ridiculous

But were those cases genuine?  Last Summer, a Llandudno councillor told me that some members of the Llandudno TC wanted 'Christmas' to be renamed 'Winter festival' and he thought it was outrageous.  It was also untrue.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 29, 2011, 11:44:28 AM
I don't regard anything that you may hear from Llandudno Town Council as being true!     :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on March 29, 2011, 12:54:16 PM
Suepp has hit the nail on the head. 
Holding a chair for someone is hardly the same as being racist.  When I was a child many years ago, sadly, I didn't know any better and I had a gollywog and indeed a collection of Robertsons badges.  But times have moved on and they are racist just look in to their origins.
If yopu can't see that try selling them in Brixton and see how long you last.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 29, 2011, 01:32:07 PM
So where did you sell your collection?  We don't want to sell and if I did it would be on Ebay or at a carboot sale, I would not go all the way to London would I?

Ebay has very strict rules on things like racism yet there are lots of golly items for sale

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=gollywog (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=gollywog)

I hope you are not implying that I am racist for owning a collection of Robertsons gollys, it would be a very unfair conclusion!


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 29, 2011, 03:11:06 PM
There are lots of caucasian people I don't like and who I will "slag off" whenever the opportunity occurs.  Does that make me racist?    )*)&

We've had a white one posted on the Forum, here's a Black one.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 29, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
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There are lots of caucasian people I don't like and who I will "slag off" whenever the opportunity occurs.  Does that make me racist?

I don't think so.  But racism is all about the misuse of power. It's the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.  Thus, when a politically dominant group devises and uses terminology intended to denigrate and subjugate another group based purely on their skin colour or ethnicity, that is racism.  The need to nip it at the early stages was recognised as being necessary to secure equal opportunities for all citizens, and is - really - how we've ended up with Obama,

There are also different kinds of racism, one of which is aversive racism. (http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/articles/pages/5976/Aversive-Racism.html)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 29, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
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[Thus, when a politically dominant group devises and uses terminology intended to denigrate and subjugate another group based purely on their skin colour or ethnicity, that is racism.

How about religion? Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims etc.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 29, 2011, 10:12:08 PM
I didn't know that gollies were religious ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 30, 2011, 01:34:25 AM
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I didn't know that gollies were religious ;D

Voodoo is a religion.

At the Jamie Hayes Gallery in the New Orleans French Quarter you can buy Children's Voodoo dolls.

http://www.jamiehayes.com/shop/category/dolls/voodoo-child-dolls/ (http://www.jamiehayes.com/shop/category/dolls/voodoo-child-dolls/)

I suppose there's people out there who think these dolls are racist, maybe? 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on March 30, 2011, 01:54:31 AM
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We have a small collection of Robertsons Gollies including a large advertising gollie about 3 foot tall, that does not make us racist at all, I've always found that it's just politically correct white people who worry about it   ¢¢##

Funny you should say that.....

https://wartimehousewife.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/my-name-is-the-wartime-housewife-and-i-love-golliwogs/

There was a programme on Radio 2 last year with Jeremy Vine, where the thorny issue of Gollys was discussed and people rang in with their views.  The responses pretty much backed up what I knew from my own friends and suspected about others:

Black people don’t think they look like Gollys.
I bet that’s come as a surprise.
It doesn’t matter how strenuously the white, liberal, middle classes hop up and down and suggest that everyone is deeply offended by them (the Gollys that is) –  I would suggest that it is only they who draw the comparison, not anyone else.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 30, 2011, 07:56:38 AM
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How about religion? Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims etc.

That's an interesting one, T. One thing I would say, however, is that three of the above groups comprise members who choose to be part of them;  the Jews are unique, in that their nationality and religion are inextricably intertwined in a way none of the others is.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 01, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
You have to wonder who thought it would be a good idea to position these new kiosks right in the middle of the main walkway down the pier - seems crazy to me:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on April 01, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
With a decent wind that kiosk could find itself as a large piece of Jetsum Flotsam in Llandudno Bay.    ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 03, 2011, 07:22:11 PM
The new kiosks are for 'American Ring Toss', anything to do with you, Trojan?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on April 03, 2011, 07:38:36 PM
Sounds as though it could be painful!     L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 03, 2011, 07:45:23 PM
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The new kiosks are for 'American Ring Toss', anything to do with you, Trojan?  :laugh:

So what do we call the participants? answers on a postcard...........  :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on April 05, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
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The new kiosks are for 'American Ring Toss', anything to do with you, Trojan?  :laugh:

So what do we call the participants? answers on a postcard...........  :)

 _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2011, 09:33:35 PM
I was very interested to see that the owners of Llandudno Pier, Six Piers Ltd, have sold off another of the piers that they own, namely the North Pier in Blackpool. They only got a million quid for it, I was surprised the price was so low.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 06, 2011, 10:21:59 PM
So they should now be called 4 Piers now?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on April 07, 2011, 12:49:45 AM
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So they should now be called 4 Piers now?

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 07, 2011, 10:36:22 AM
Does anyone recognise this guy?

(http://www.justgiving.com/Utils/imaging.ashx?type=convert&imagetype=frpphoto&width=250&img=32011/ac13d6db-10fc-468d-a788-d85187079fed.jpg)
"Wanted for crimes against shopkeepers"

"Thanks for taking the time to visit my JustGiving page!
I am being 'arrested' for St Davids Hospice on Sunday 10th April 2011! On 'arrest' I will be marched down the Pier and 'locked up' for a couple of hours. Whilst incarcerated, I will use my powers of persuasion and of course begging techniques to raise my bail money - to secure my release!!! I am trying to raise the bail money before this date so I can enjoy doing 'porridge'.
Please dig deep and donate now!"


http://www.justgiving.com/SimonMasonPier/ (http://www.justgiving.com/SimonMasonPier/)

I'll give £50 if they promise not to release him....ever!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 07, 2011, 12:14:22 PM
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Does anyone recognise this guy?

I'll give £50 if they promise not to release him....ever!


 L0L  L0L  He should get himself sponsored to paint the pier, it certainly needs it!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2011, 08:00:37 PM
I understand that the 'powers that be' have decreed that the new shed at the end of the Pier has to be removed. All that work for nothing!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on April 10, 2011, 12:29:56 AM
Maybe they're going to move it further down just past the Grand to Shed Alley
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on April 10, 2011, 08:20:37 AM
 :(I know there are standards but should we just be grateful we have our pier and that if we expect this firm to maintain the thing they have to produce the cash,with so many empty shops and crap xmas lights were are the powers that be over them. :P
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
I believe the 'powers that be' emanated from within Six Piers Ltd itself.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: andrea1976 on April 11, 2011, 09:08:06 AM
i am sooo pleased that eyesore has been removed  :o !!it looked totally out of place at the end of the pier.....what where they thinking
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on April 15, 2011, 11:21:13 PM
I just hope that when its removed they don't dump all there rubbish in the pier pavilion site like they did when they built the new huts by Leisure Island. I did phone and ask if they planed to shift if. A very nice lady told me of course they would, but alas she must have forgotten to tell the lads, "COS IT'S STILL THERE"  :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on April 16, 2011, 12:35:53 AM
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I just hope that when its removed they don't dump all there rubbish in the pier pavilion site like they did when they built the new huts by Leisure Island. I did phone and ask if they planed to shift if. A very nice lady told me of course they would, but alas she must have forgotten to tell the lads, "COS IT'S STILL THERE"  :rage:

Good place to have a bonfire then.  :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 16, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
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I just hope that when its removed they don't dump all there rubbish in the pier pavilion site like they did when they built the new huts by Leisure Island. I did phone and ask if they planed to shift if. A very nice lady told me of course they would, but alas she must have forgotten to tell the lads, "COS IT'S STILL THERE"  :rage:
The buddleia will soon hide it...  8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2011, 05:04:25 PM
A team of 4 surveyors have been inspecting the pier structure all day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Micox on May 31, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
Anyone know if there is a register of the piermasters and if so, how long does it go back?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on May 31, 2011, 06:09:19 PM
 we did have a daily register don,t no how far back it went or where they would be sorry don,t no what they use the peir masters office { at the end of the pier} is used for now.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 31, 2011, 06:25:45 PM
The title of Piermaster was phased out in the 1980s(?), I think. When I joined the ranks in about 1990, there was definitely no Piermaster.  The General Manager was in charge of everything and, at that time, the post was filled by a smart guy called Brendan McLoughlin. He is now the co-owner of the Cruise nightclub in Chester.

It would be interesting to know what happened to all the records/files etc of the Llandudno Pier Company, who owned the Pier from 1878 up until about 1968. I hope they weren't all dumped in a skip somewhere when Entam Leisure took over!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 31, 2011, 06:26:55 PM
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don,t no what they use the peir masters office { at the end of the pier} is used for now.
Is that the little room on the end of the Gents toilets? It's a maintenance storeroom, if that's the one.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on May 31, 2011, 06:54:35 PM
that,s the room i worked there 73/76 denis smith vaughn turner spring to mind ,shame no  I o m boats anymore.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on June 01, 2011, 11:36:11 AM
Alice Cimatti had most of the theatre records so hopefully her family still has them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2011, 06:51:38 PM
I noticed today that a second fish / foot nibbling kiosk has opened on the pier, not far from the other one by the Pavilion remains
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2011, 07:00:44 PM
That one's actually a hand nibbling kiosk...  ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2011, 07:59:08 PM
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That one's actually a hand nibbling kiosk...  ;)

Oh, I wonder if its the same kind of fish?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
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That one's actually a hand nibbling kiosk...  ;)

Oh, I wonder if its the same kind of fish?  :laugh:
No, they have sub-contracted Fester to do the nibbling...  :o  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2011, 08:05:56 PM
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[No, they have sub-contracted Fester to do the nibbling...  :o  :laugh:

 L0L
 They could do one hand in that kiosk and the other hand in a second hand shop  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DAVSUZ123 on July 23, 2011, 04:07:37 PM
Good Afternoon. I have come across this forum this afternoon and wondered if anyone could inform me what the latest situation with regards to the old Pier Pavillion Theatre. Obviously i know that it has been destroyed by fire but wondered if there have been any developments with regards to the site and what is likely to happen to it.

As a child we as a family came to Llandudno every summer for the annual holiday staying at the Tynedale Hotel (?) and used to go to shows in the theatre. Remenber often seeing Alec Munro and seeing some one called Benny Garcia and Eddie Read appear with him. In fact i have a souvenir 7 inch record of the show.

If anyone can help that would be good.

Thanks
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 23, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Welcome to the Forum. The state of the Pier Pavilion site is a favourite bugbear of ours, there's some information here:
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg3886#msg3886 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg3886#msg3886)
To summarise, the owner wants to build a large block of apartments on the site, everyone else doesn't. So it's been stalemate since 1994 and the local council lack the courage to carry out a compulsory purchase of the site. Most local people would like to see a copy of the original building built, containing various indoor leisure attractions.

There's a lot about Alex Munro on this thread:
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=99.0 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=99.0)

Any memories of those days, please share them...

Here's a piece of a documentary about Alex from the early 1970s:
Alex Munro Llandudno Interview.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GilXLE0vPvA#)

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DAVSUZ123 on July 23, 2011, 10:35:04 PM
Thanks DaveR. All the info is really good and brings back memories.

I can remember that there was a variety show on during the week but then on a sunday night there were special acts. Remember seeing Dickie Henderson one sunday night.

Remember the building being of an iconic status and was a stand out in the town.

Shame it is in the state it is - Mr Taylor has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2011, 08:06:45 PM
This is probably the busiest week of the Season, so why on earth would the Pier Manager allow someone to park a large black van completely across the Happy Valley Entrance to the Pier?! You may as well lock the gates to prevent people coming on the pier and spending their money.  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
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Thanks DaveR. All the info is really good and brings back memories.

I can remember that there was a variety show on during the week but then on a sunday night there were special acts. Remember seeing Dickie Henderson one sunday night.
I found this photo from the early 1980s showing 'This Sunday At 8 - Dickie Henderson' as the headline act at the Pavilion:

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on August 24, 2011, 07:49:19 AM
 You can only dream of Llandudno looking that busy at night again.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 24, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
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This is probably the busiest week of the Season, so why on earth would the Pier Manager allow someone to park a large black van completely across the Happy Valley Entrance to the Pier?! You may as well lock the gates to prevent people coming on the pier and spending their money.  :o

I also often wonder why the Pier Manager sells wooden benches and then to allow purchasers to decorate them with flowers and wreaths at either end when the memorial plaque on the seat should be sufficient.

It is such a shame because it leaves visitors too scared to sit on the benches.

wrex, for a moment I thought the crowds had been to see Dave Hanson at the Pier Pavilion.  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blodyn on August 24, 2011, 05:39:37 PM
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I also often wonder why the Pier Manager sells wooden benches and then to allow purchasers to decorate them with flowers and wreaths at either end when the memorial plaque on the seat should be sufficient.

It is such a shame because it leaves visitors too scared to sit on the benches.


Bri, I agree completely and it's a problem not just on the pier but wherever there are memorial benches.  Does anyone ever come back to remove the flowers when they are dead (or tatty if they're artificial)?  It doesn't look like it!  Some of the benches then become such a mess that I wonder about posting them on the eyesores thread.  My OH gets pretty cross about this and we remove any dead or tatty flowers that we see.

When a bench has been given in memory of someone, whose property is it?  There are plenty of benches in public areas which also suffer from this, e.g. Invalids' Walk, Happy Valley, West Shore. 
 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 24, 2011, 05:53:07 PM
Blodyn, I am pleased to learn it is not just me.  $good$

Anyway, I believe both the Pier and CCBC could easily resolve the problem by introducing some Terms & Conditions.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on August 24, 2011, 06:31:52 PM
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When a bench has been given in memory of someone, whose property is it?  There are plenty of benches in public areas which also suffer from this, e.g. Invalids' Walk, Happy Valley, West Shore. 
 

I believe that they become the responsibility and thereby the property of the County Council, or the owner of the land.  So on the pier it would be the Six (or however many) Pier Co.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blodyn on August 24, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Thanks, Yorkie.  I'll know who to complain to if I get worked up enough.

Bri, I'm pleased to learn it's not just us!  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on August 25, 2011, 08:36:33 AM
Some people I know had a bench in Happy Valley in memory of his Mother. They were resposible for its upkeep.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 25, 2011, 08:54:49 AM
The Benches in Parks etc are £800:

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7852&doc=28056 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7852&doc=28056)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on August 25, 2011, 11:33:15 AM
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Some people I know had a bench in Happy Valley in memory of his Mother. They were resposible for its upkeep.

On the Council blurb they use the word "Donate", to my mind that means "give".    ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 25, 2011, 11:40:58 AM
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Some people I know had a bench in Happy Valley in memory of his Mother. They were resposible for its upkeep.

On the Council blurb they use the word "Donate", to my mind that means "give".    ;)
I think the money raised should be used for the upkeep of the parks - I wonder if it is?  :roll:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 25, 2011, 12:07:24 PM
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The Benches in Parks etc are £800:

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7852&doc=28056 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7852&doc=28056)

I am surprised there are no terms and conditions.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 15, 2011, 08:49:12 AM
Work is ongoing to replace the cross ties on Llandudno Pier:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 15, 2011, 09:02:54 AM
I noticed that the Pier Pavilion site had been cleared of its undergrowth, so thought would go and have a nose around, accompanied by two other forum members.  $good$ The most interesting find was some remnants of the original tiling from the sea water swimming pool built in the Pavilion's basement back in 1884, still in pretty good condition 127 years (and a large fire) later :
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 15, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
Was the swimming pool not built in the Baths Hotel?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
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I noticed that the Pier Pavilion site had been cleared of its undergrowth, so thought would go and have a nose around, accompanied by two other forum members.  $good$ The most interesting find was some remnants of the original tiling from the sea water swimming pool built in the Pavilion's basement back in 1884, still in pretty good condition 127 years (and a large fire) later :

That's interesting Dave and should raise a few questions.   Who cleared the site and who paid for it?   
If it's CCBC then I wonder if they have approached the owner for permission to do so.     
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 15, 2011, 05:44:19 PM
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Was the swimming pool not built in the Baths Hotel?
No, it was in the Pavilion's basement:

"the pavilion basement housed what was then the largest indoor swimming pool in Britain. Unfortunately for the pier company, problems with seawater quality (the pool was filled twice daily from the tides) meant that this novel idea did not prove successful and the pool was filled in shortly afterwards."
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 15, 2011, 05:45:36 PM
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I noticed that the Pier Pavilion site had been cleared of its undergrowth, so thought would go and have a nose around, accompanied by two other forum members.  $good$ The most interesting find was some remnants of the original tiling from the sea water swimming pool built in the Pavilion's basement back in 1884, still in pretty good condition 127 years (and a large fire) later :

That's interesting Dave and should raise a few questions.   Who cleared the site and who paid for it?   
If it's CCBC then I wonder if they have approached the owner for permission to do so.     
What usually happens is that the CCBC serve a notice on the owner to clear the site, he ignores it and so CCBC do the work, then bill the owner.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 15, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
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No, it was in the Pavilion's basement:

Ta.  $thanx$

I wonder then where the Baths came from in the Baths Hotel.

Was it a Mr Bath who owned it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 15, 2011, 06:28:04 PM
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"the pavilion basement housed what was then the largest indoor swimming pool in Britain. Unfortunately for the pier company, problems with seawater quality (the pool was filled twice daily from the tides) meant that this novel idea did not prove successful and the pool was filled in shortly afterwards."

We enjoyed looking around there the other day although erindoors had the wrong shoes on!

Thinking about it that site must be at or below sea level if the sea filled it, yet it seemed dry?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 15, 2011, 07:59:12 PM
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"the pavilion basement housed what was then the largest indoor swimming pool in Britain. Unfortunately for the pier company, problems with seawater quality (the pool was filled twice daily from the tides) meant that this novel idea did not prove successful and the pool was filled in shortly afterwards."

We enjoyed looking around there the other day although erindoors had the wrong shoes on!

Thinking about it that site must be at or below sea level if the sea filled it, yet it seemed dry?
It's at beach level but seems to be sealed as it was quite dry.  The basement used to get flooded on a regular basis when the drains got blocked up back in the early 1990s, though.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 15, 2011, 10:24:57 PM
the drainage must be working better now somehow, we'll have to look again when the tides in!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2011, 04:30:43 PM
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I noticed that the Pier Pavilion site had been cleared of its undergrowth, so thought would go and have a nose around, accompanied by two other forum members. The most interesting find was some remnants of the original tiling from the sea water swimming pool built in the Pavilion's basement back in 1884, still in pretty good condition 127 years (and a large fire) later :

I took a look at the cleared site this afternoon when passing and I could not see those whilte tiles from the road but I am wondering if Tusons Amusement Arcade from the sixties was actually inside the swimming pool?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2011, 06:43:24 PM
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I noticed that the Pier Pavilion site had been cleared of its undergrowth, so thought would go and have a nose around, accompanied by two other forum members. The most interesting find was some remnants of the original tiling from the sea water swimming pool built in the Pavilion's basement back in 1884, still in pretty good condition 127 years (and a large fire) later :

I took a look at the cleared site this afternoon when passing and I could not see those whilte tiles from the road but I am wondering if Tusons Amusement Arcade from the sixties was actually inside the swimming pool?
You'll have to walk  down into the site itself to see the tiles, they're in the left hand corner of the basement, as you walk down the ramp bit. Yes, it must have been used for Tusons, and then later on, the Round The World car ride and finally the Dungeon horror waxworks. . Merddin Emrys remembers going in there when it was Tusons.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
 $thanx$

I can remember walkng down that ramp area and under the Pier Pavillion into Tusons and going on the dodgem cars at the far end.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2011, 09:07:28 PM
I was saying to Merddin Emrys the other day how there must be photos of the Tusons interior in existence somewhere. Indeed, there are very few photos of the Pavilion's interior at all apart from the early postcards, a real shame.

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on October 16, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
Here's a good one..

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
This rather smoky image of the back of the hall from 1962 is the only one I could see:

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2011, 10:36:26 PM
Here is a video from 63 years ago.

No doubt many will recognise the railings at the beginning.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=27482 (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=27482)

and another from 1956 showing bits.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=32410 (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=32410)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Micox on October 18, 2011, 03:08:06 PM
Why are all those people saluting Hitler?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 20, 2011, 07:40:01 PM
One of the first newspaper adverts, inviting people to subscribe for shares in order to build Llandudno Pier. North Wales Chronicle, February 13th 1869:

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 20, 2011, 11:44:38 PM
Hmm, so given that the act of parliament required to build the pier was only sought and granted in 1875.then it either took 6 years to raise the capital required, or there was some other obstacle to going ahead promptly?

The first pile was driven in July 1876 I believe.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2011, 08:07:16 AM
Probably raising the money was the problem, there was a multitude of these schemes at that time.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2011, 09:00:13 AM
Yes indeed, my book on the subject tells me that every coastal town (or resort??) went Pier mad.

Its astonishing when you think of how many piers there were...Rhos on sea, Rhyl, ... sad really that the vast majority of them became monuments to bad investment decisions.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2011, 08:16:38 PM
Here's an interesting snippet I found from, I think, 1898. Apparently, part of the Swimming Baths in the Pavilion's basement was converted into a small theatre - I'd never heard that mentioned before:

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
The guy could play the violin, the cornet...and deal cards and serve drinks, all with his feet???
I would have thought that act would have packed out the pavilion itself, never mind a theatre underneath it!

He certainly sounds armless enough.  L0L L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on December 26, 2011, 10:27:02 AM
In the winter 2011 edition of the Paddle steamer preservation society news (Paddle Wheels) the Senior Master Andy O`Brian writes that
they have high hopes of seeing repairs to Llandudno Pier, which would allow them to expand North Wales sailings.
If this is true it is good news, but I have not seen it mentioned on the forum.
Does anyone on here know of any effort being made to carry out repairs to the pierhead ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 26, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
There was a lot of equipment at the end of the pier when I walked down on the 23rd.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 26, 2011, 10:44:15 AM
MP Marine are carrying out repair work to the structure of the Pierhead itself, rather than to the Landing Stage. Unless grant money is obtained (which is a possibility), no work will be done on the Landing Stage. Six Piers Ltd are struggling to keep up with maintenance on the Pier itself.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 16, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
There is a very nice half-page photograph down the length of pier in today's Daily Post although I recall a very similar (not identical) photograph appeared on this forum before Xmas.

We recently walked down the pier and it seemed to us there are several new memorial benches.

In fact, I counted 40 in total from the fishing tackle shop down to the amusement arcade towards the end of the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 17, 2012, 06:09:57 PM
Memorial benches, a nice source of revenue for Six Piers Ltd in 2011.

Not possible to repeat that this year though, the benches are just about at saturation point now.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: dwsi on January 17, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Any truth in the rumors that a well known local photographer got locked in on Llandudno Pier while doing night photos there tonight?
$lol$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 17, 2012, 06:45:06 PM
Say it ain't so!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: dwsi on January 17, 2012, 06:46:31 PM
so  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 17, 2012, 07:01:29 PM
Yes, I was so distressed that I had no choice but to post about it on Facebook immediately!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on January 17, 2012, 07:19:35 PM
O'h no!
Look forward to seeing the photos though.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 17, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
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Memorial benches, a nice source of revenue for Six Piers Ltd in 2011.

Not possible to repeat that this year though, the benches are just about at saturation point now.

There are a lot more now than there were during the summer.

It will be quite colourful this summer when all the floral tributes are regularly added.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: dwsi on January 17, 2012, 09:54:24 PM
Sponsor a bench - Llandudno pier  http://bit.ly/xMPAFx (http://bit.ly/xMPAFx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on January 17, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
i think it,s a great way to remember a loved one and give a good excuse to return there every year, not that you,d need an excuse
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blodyn on January 17, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
Sponsoring a bench, whether on the pier or anywhere else, is certainly a nice idea.

However, what can become a problem is the sponsors fixing floral tributes to the bench.  This will often deter other people from using the bench and surely the benches are intended for people to sit on.  If the sponsors visit only occasionally, put on the flowers and then go away, who is supposed to remove the flowers when they die (if real ones) or become tatty (if artificial)?  After a while these benches can become eyesores. 

I know that I'm not alone in thinking this.  Right, Bri? 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on January 17, 2012, 10:48:01 PM
this should be done by the council road cleaners, or such like. they shouldn't be left to make an eyesore i agree with you
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blodyn on January 17, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
The trouble is, nobody does seem to take responsibility for it.  I remove dead or tatty flowers that I see on benches but it sometimes takes quite a bit of effort to remove the fixings. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 17, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
I believe we may be in the minority, Blodyn.

I did have an opportunity to speak to one of the Pier Managers about it a few months ago and I suggested the Pier Company should attach some Terms and Conditions to their future sales.

I guess we shall have to wait a few months to see if my suggestion has been adopted.

However, I am not holding my breath.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 17, 2012, 11:22:09 PM
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O'h no!
Look forward to seeing the photos though.
Here's one:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6715775235_509b20b74f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/6715775235/)
Looking back at Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/6715775235/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on January 17, 2012, 11:25:53 PM
nice one Dave is that the moon or space station, if you say a UFO I'm out of here
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 17, 2012, 11:35:36 PM
Venus?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on January 17, 2012, 11:40:19 PM
 i knew that merdd just testing, see she, s not in blue jeans tonight
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 18, 2012, 07:28:41 AM
That is an excellent photograph.

Are those the ladies, gents and disabled toilets in the foreground that the Pier Company claim £500 from CCBC to allow the general public to use but are often closed this time of the year ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 18, 2012, 08:10:32 AM
Thanks, Bri.  :)

The Pierhead toilets are closed all Winter as the water supply to the end of the Pier is turned off and drained due to fears about pipes bursting. That also means they dont open the Cafe or Bar at all in the Winter.  :roll:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 18, 2012, 08:37:51 AM
I notice the Golden Goose is now closed a few days a week so toilet facilities along the pier are currently a problem.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2012, 08:29:24 PM
An update on the Landing Stage situation from someone 'in the know':

"After more than five seasons without the use of Llandudno pier after its closure following the 2006 season, and many fruitless attempts to draw strands together to create a network of funding agencies to meld Conwy CBC, Six Piers Ltd, the HLF, The Talacre Gas Field Levy Board, there may finally be a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel – a £345,000 scheme has been drawn up to renovate the pier and more importantly the berthing head – but as yet there is no money and no legal arrangement – but its better then nothing."
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on February 25, 2012, 11:59:52 PM
I am told that Conwy CBC is at the point of issuing Invitations to Tender for the repairs needed to the pier sufficient to bring excursions ships back to Llandudno

Can anyone confirm???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: dwsi on February 26, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
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I am told that Conwy CBC is at the point of issuing Invitations to Tender for the repairs needed to the pier sufficient to bring excursions ships back to Llandudno

Can anyone confirm???

Sounds like a job for DaveR
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 27, 2012, 06:07:50 PM
Bah to that.  8)

I paid a flying visit to Beaumaris on Sunday and the pier there is having a lot of work done. Good to see major investment but I find the new additions to the Pierhead a bit ugly, to be honest.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on February 28, 2012, 12:43:37 AM
You will be pleased to know that those massive piles, and the pontoon that had to be towed in from Liverpool are rated to vessels of a maximum GRT of





wait for it





how many tourists can be accommodated




on a ship that is less than




a whole thirty GRT!!!


Wasser point of that then?? Answers to the businesses of Beaumauris who have been so well served by Ynys Mon's forward thinking strategy when everyone else is trying to get coastal vessels like Balmoral - 600GRT - back into the area - with her capacity for 630 tourists!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bellringer on February 28, 2012, 12:45:16 PM
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Answers to the businesses of Beaumauris who have been so well served by Ynys Mon's forward thinking strategy when everyone else is trying to get coastal vessels like Balmoral - 600GRT - back into the area - with her capacity for 630 tourists!

But wasn't there a story in the Daily Post recently about Beaumaris Pier work and funding? Much more required than anticipated?

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/11/10/beaumaris-pier-revamp-over-budget-55578-29750625/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/11/10/beaumaris-pier-revamp-over-budget-55578-29750625/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 28, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
From what I can see, I think they've ruined it. The new pontoon and pier extension looks ugly.  $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 12, 2012, 01:28:01 PM
A couple of weeks ago, I submitted an enquiry through the Llandudno Pier website asking when the pier would be open again seven days a week because it has been closed on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Today, I received a reply:


Brian

The Pier is open 7 days per week all year long, with the exception of Christmas Day.

In the Winter Months we close when the weather conditions are bad.

The Shops and Facilities on the Pier should all re open for Easter 2012.

Thank you for your enquire.

Regards

Simon Mason

General Manager

Llandudno Pier

North Parade

Llandudno

Conwy

LL30 2LP



A strange reply in more ways than one !!  *&(


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on March 12, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
who forgot to open the gates in feb then , the weather was good
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 12, 2012, 03:32:29 PM
It was only the arcade that closed on mon, tue, weds, the pier itself was open when weather was good and no maintenance work was taking place.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 12, 2012, 11:58:29 PM
What aspects did you find strange Bri?

The Pier arcade has been closed on the mondays, tuesdays and wednesdays in the 'dead' weeks of winter.
Ostensibly because no one wants to spend anything, and there are obvious costs attached to being open.

The rest of the pier has been open to 'promenade' on, every day unless there are gale force winds.
Health and Safety regulations dictate that the seaward end of the pier must be closed when the wind exceeds a certain level.
The pier can be (and annoyingly has been) closed for this reason even in the summer months.

What was the nature of your enquiry?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 13, 2012, 08:42:05 AM
No problem, Fester.

•   It took nearly two weeks for me to receive a response to my web enquiry.

•   The reply says the pier is open 7 days a week when it has not been.

•   I do not believe one has to wait until Easter to visit the shops and facilities.

•   And as norman08 has already indicated, the gates to the pier entrance were closed on Mon, Tues and Wed when the weather was good.

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who forgot to open the gates in feb then , the weather was good

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 13, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Hmmm, I can't speak for Mondays, but I have been working on the pier, (if you can call it working) every Tuesday and Weds in February.   I can't remember seeing the gates being shut after 10am.

However, what often happens is that it seems like nice weather at the landward end, but the pier is actually getting battered by dangerous winds at the other end of the pier.
Also, you will find patches of frost which don't clear all day.  (Health and safety again)

As far as shops are concerned, almost all have been open since mid feb.  I would say 90% of them.
Only the kiddy rides are closed, but they will be open weekends, and some weekdays before Easter.
They need a lot of staff you see, and the concessionaire can't cover his costs before end March.  No demand.

The cafe and bar have been open every day since mid feb.

Things are not perfect, but hope that helps.

Anyone need any natural remedies, gifts etc...you will find me there 6 days a week!  :laugh:


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 13, 2012, 10:10:12 AM
Thanks for your reply, Fester.

You will have to let me know which shop is yours so I can call in and say Hello.

From what I can remember, the arcade (aka Golden Goose) began shutting on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and there was a notice to that effect posted in the arcade window.

However, then the pier gates started to close midweek and there was a sign outside the pier gates stating the pier was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

FYI, I cannot speak for the second entrance by the fishing tackle shop.

I recently visited the pier website and noticed a CONTACT tab so I submitted a simple enquiry asking when the pier will begin opening again 7 days a week?

http://www.llandudnopier.com/ (http://www.llandudnopier.com/)

By coincidence, the pier started opening again on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday before I received the reply informing me the pier was always open 7 days a week !!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 14, 2012, 12:09:58 AM
Something very odd going on, which does not tally with my business records.

You see, I don't use the Happy Valley entrance, I usually walk on from the prom entrance.

Since Feb 4th, I have been on the pier 5 days a week, only closing Mondays and Fridays (which are a complete waste of time).
I was prevented from working on one day only, due to a lingering frost on the pier.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 15, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
I've walked on the Pier quite a few times during the Winter months, when the arcade was closed on Mon, Tues, Weds. I was still able to walk up to the Pierhead and back.

Here's the latest pier attraction - it blends in well with the general state of the pier, don't you think?  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 15, 2012, 08:29:01 PM
In that case, DaveR, did you ever once see a sign outside the pier gates stating the pier (not arcade) was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: dwsi on March 15, 2012, 08:34:37 PM
Is that Festers new coffee shop extension to his shop?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 15, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
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In that case, DaveR, did you ever once see a sign outside the pier gates stating the pier (not arcade) was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday ?
No, Bri, it said that the arcade would be closed on Mon, Tues, Weds, not the Pier itself. Thinking back, I've been able to walk on the pier itself nearly every time I've gone there, with only the odd closure because maintenance work was being carried out or bad weather.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 15, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
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I've walked on the Pier quite a few times during the Winter months, when the arcade was closed on Mon, Tues, Weds. I was still able to walk up to the Pierhead and back.

This a red herring, DaveR, as we noticed that and we had also seen a notice inside the arcade to that effect as well but as time moved on the pier gates were locked and the sign outside clearly stated the pier was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Judging by the post below, we were not the only ones facing a lock-out.

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 16, 2012, 12:29:25 AM
I am no defender of how the pier is managed, and there is much improvement that could be made.

However, despite going to (and working on) the pier throughout February, I have never seen a sign preventing access to the pier itself.
I am not stating that YOU didn't see such a sign Bri,  I'm just saying that apart from one day because of frost, I was able to access and work on the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 16, 2012, 10:16:43 AM
To help clear up the obvious confusion, I e-mailed the General Manager this morning and he has since confirmed there was a sign at the pier gates for three months and has also admitted it should have been made clearer that the closure only referred to the arcade.

It must have been a coincidence that every time we visited the pier, when the weather was good, then the pier must have been closed for structural repairs and the pier gates locked.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 16, 2012, 08:43:14 PM
Bri... I accept your apology then.   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 16, 2012, 09:55:44 PM
Given the fact that there was a sign just outside the pier gates that you obviously missed.............. ))*

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However, despite going to (and working on) the pier throughout February, I have never seen a sign preventing access to the pier itself.
 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 16, 2012, 10:03:12 PM
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Given the fact that there was a sign just outside the pier gates that you obviously missed.............. ))*

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However, despite going to (and working on) the pier throughout February, I have never seen a sign preventing access to the pier itself.
 

Errr, no.... I saw it every day ... and UNDERSTOOD it .... it applied to the arcade only.
then I proceeded onto to the pier, unrestricted!
Why do I have a mental picture of a dog with a bone here Bri?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 16, 2012, 10:07:07 PM
 >?>??

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 16, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
So, Fester, you saw a sign that informed you the pier was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday and you understood it should only refer to the arcade.

Strange, every time we saw the sign on either a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, the pier gates were always locked.    ?{}?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 16, 2012, 11:34:27 PM
Oh Christ.... what I am saying (before I surely expire) is that there was a sign on the arcade door saying that it was only open Thursday to Sunday in the winter.

Of course I realised that this applied only to the arcade, and not the pier...... because the pier was OPEN on all the days I saw it. 

I can only conclude that there were some Mondays or Fridays (when I didn't work in Jan or Feb) where you encountered locked gates.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 16, 2012, 11:50:03 PM
was this the same year?  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 17, 2012, 08:18:19 AM
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Oh Christ.... what I am saying (before I surely expire) is that there was a sign on the arcade door saying that it was only open Thursday to Sunday in the winter.

Of course I realised that this applied only to the arcade, and not the pier...... because the pier was OPEN on all the days I saw it.
 


Fester, please allow me to spell it out for you before you burst a blood vessel.

We both agree there were notices displayed inside the glass windows of the arcade stating the arcade was closed on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays.  D)

However, eventually a SECOND notice appeared outside the pier entrance and just to the left of the pier gates stating the pier was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

We first saw the SECOND notice probably during January when the weather began improving.

I apologise if I did not make it clear enough.

 

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In that case, DaveR, did you ever once see a sign outside the pier gates stating the pier (not arcade) was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday ?

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This a red herring, DaveR, as we noticed that and we had also seen a notice inside the arcade to that effect as well but as time moved on the pier gates were locked and the sign outside clearly stated the pier was only open on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

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To help clear up the obvious confusion, I e-mailed the General Manager this morning and he has since confirmed there was a sign at the pier gates for three months and has also admitted it should have been made clearer that the closure only referred to the arcade.

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Given the fact that there was a sign just outside the pier gates that you obviously missed.............. ))*












Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2012, 09:55:25 AM
Bri, you made yourself completely clear, and at the risk of repeating myself I will do the same.

YOU saw such a sign on a day when the pier was closed.
I never saw such a sign because every day I went to the pier it was open!

Therefore you must have gone to the pier on a day when I didn't.  Pretty simple really.

If you think about it, I think we have been actually saying the same thing all along.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
Which pier is this?


 ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 17, 2012, 10:17:30 AM
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YOU saw such a sign on a day when the pier was closed.


Nearly correct, Fester, except me and Mrs Roberts saw the SECOND sign on more than one occasion.

We even saw the SECOND sign when the pier was open on the days the SECOND sign said it would be open.

By the sounds of it, it seems you did not ever see the SECOND sign.
 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2012, 10:30:24 AM
Let me bring this argument to an end. I've looked back through my photos and found this one from February (heavily enlarged, so not great quality). This is the sign that Bri is referring to, but it is very poorly worded because it is actually referring to the arcade's opening hours, not the pier itself.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on March 17, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
Well done Dave R 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on March 17, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
For a moment I thought we would have to Summon the Marquis of Queensbury to ensure a fair battle !     >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2012, 08:41:20 PM
Today I had the pleasure of meeting one of the very few Forum members I have never met.

You've guessed it... it was inevitable.... Mr Bri Roberts, and the very delightful Mrs Bri Roberts too.

Nice to meet you both, and its always good to put faces to names.   :) :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2012, 10:03:30 PM
Lucky the pier happened to be open at the time  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 27, 2012, 10:00:26 AM
A MAN was taken to hospital after almost falling off the pier at Llandudno.

Worried bystanders dialled 999 yesterday lunchtime after seeing a man in his mid-30s desperately clinging on to the structure

Coastguards were alerted, who in turn sent the Llandudno RNLI inshore lifeboat and onshore coastguard teams to the pier.

A Holyhead Coastguard spokesman said: “We received reports of a man falling off Llandudno pier.

“He was hanging on to the stanchions of the pier when the lifeboat crew and coastguard teams arrived.”

The rescuers managed to prise him to safety and he was taken away to a waiting ambulance, the spokesman added.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/03/27/man-taken-to-hospital-after-nearly-falling-off-llandudno-pier-55578-30630742/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/03/27/man-taken-to-hospital-after-nearly-falling-off-llandudno-pier-55578-30630742/)

I would say its pretty much impossible to 'fall off' the pier, he must have jumped. We used to get it all the time on hot days  in the Summer when I worked there. Some idiot would jump off thinking the water would be warm and discover instead that it was freezing cold. They would then desperately hang onto one of the piles whilst I called out the Lifeboat to come and rescue them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 28, 2012, 01:11:16 AM
If I see some drunken di#k-head jumping in to the sea off the pier,  I will be sure to immediately write off a letter to summon the coastguard.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on March 28, 2012, 01:14:58 AM
Ah
But will you be able to afford the 2nd Class stamp  ? :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on June 06, 2012, 11:48:47 AM
Walked down the pier on Sunday and hope that Feste etc. did well as it was packed.

However although it was a good idea for the owners to camouflage the derelict site with huts/shops it means that there is a complete bottle neck from the entrance to where the wooden flooring starts. 

We had to squeeze on, not for the first time either, as the queue for ice cream snaked across the entrance then struggle through the crowds.  Some of the huts by the Golden Goose have put stands way out so that also was causing congestion.  Sureley an accident waiting to happen?  If anything went wrong further down there would be some sort of stampede.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 06, 2012, 12:41:15 PM
You're quite right, the layout is very poor and actively deters people from heading further down the Pier.

On a related note, I understand that good news about repairs to the Landing Stage may be imminent.  ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 06, 2012, 10:26:33 PM
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You're quite right, the layout is very poor and actively deters people from heading further down the Pier.

On a related note, I understand that good news about repairs to the Landing Stage may be imminent.  ;)

Yes Dave...!
I told the guy with Alzheimer's the good news tonight, you know, the guy who always asks about the landing stage?
Sadly, I fear I will have to tell him again tomorrow... and the next day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 06, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Then, in his own mind, he will have good news every day and will be toasting 'Pier Six Ltd'.  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: sjwright on June 24, 2012, 12:01:06 AM
Went kayaking under the pier the other day, some interesting things under there. One thing I noticed was the cast iron column in the corner under the gents toilets is at quite an angle, this been struck by something or is this natural movement?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7404366202_b2eec7015b_b.jpg)

I'd noticed this from the shore some time ago, but it appears worse these days.

Also, directly underneath the arcade looks like a former walk way, although only the floor at either end survives. Was this for services, or part of the former landing stage?
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/7428535192_c9931d8ee2_b.jpg)

I ask because I noticed on the east side of the pier head looks like there was probably a stairway, some supports still exist on the legs and the latticework is interrupted to presumably give head height:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7130/7428519960_2b9d833ebf_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 24, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
Not sure about the 'jaunty angle' of that column under the gents loo, I can't imagine that a collision has ever caused that.

But, the rusting walkways underneath the arcade at the pier head is indeed the remnants of the main way in which people used to access the steams ships.
There was an iron and glass canopy in front of the now arcade doors, (the area can still be seen by the outline of the decking), people passed through this and down stairs onto that gangway and then forward to the landing stage.

There is at least one picture on the Forum gallery of that entrance being used by bustling passengers.
I will endeavour to post the link to it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: sjwright on June 24, 2012, 12:30:02 AM
Nice one.

I had a look on google to see if I could find anything to go with my theory of a stair case and found this:
(http://www.shipsofmann.org.uk/SOM2/images/Snaefell%20berthed%20at%20Llandudno%20Pier.jpg)

Why would there be stairs! Did the original landing stage extend round that far? I don't ever recall seeing any old pictures with anything that went as far round as this, bit it does seem odd that there would be stairs going to the sea, given that the tide never goes completely out at the pier head  ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 24, 2012, 12:42:21 AM
I can't find the image I am looking for in the gallery, (I went through the entire file)...although I have a physical copy of the print I am referring to.

I was under the pier head last year with Dave R, looking at that very staircase. I recall it being said that the staircase was a way down to a smaller gangway, which I think was a another mini landing area for small launches.
Dave will no doubt add to this or correct me when he sees this article.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 24, 2012, 08:36:10 AM
Some interesting pics, Sjwright, thanks for sharing.  $good$

Fester is quite right, that staircase was used to enable access to smaller motor launches etc, that could not use the main Landing Stage. It was accessed via the old Landing Stage entrance at the front of the Pierhead Pavilion (see photo below), which was removed in 1969 when the present Landing Stage was built.

Not sure about the wonky column, though, although the pier was hit by a drifting ship in 1908, maybe that was the result?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on June 24, 2012, 10:23:18 AM
yes that side stairway was for the tenders off the cruise ships ,navel ships that used to call here , and that gangway ,without the glass canopy was still used in the early 70s wish i could go back to then
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on June 24, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
Norman is right about the steps, I can recall seeing it used by RN "liberty boats" when we used to have the occasional frigate calling.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: bigbadhenry on June 24, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
Frigate in Llandudno Bay.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 25, 2012, 12:51:19 AM
Watch this space...

We may be only DAYS away from a very significant announcement about ships docking at Llandudno Pier!  :) :)

Maybe only HOURS away....  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on June 25, 2012, 07:10:48 AM
Familiar words that have already been spoken about many other eyesores in and around the town.  Don't hold your breath.

I reckon it's a load of bollards!    :rage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 25, 2012, 09:25:38 AM
Good news about the Landing Stage  is on the way, I'm reliably informed.  ;)

Story in the Daily Post today about how 'funeral like' the Pier is.  Not the state of this season's trading, but all the floral tributes festooned over the benches:


Llandudno Pier visitor says bench flowers reminded her of a funeral
by Dave Powell, DPW West Jun 25 2012


A HOLIDAYMAKER says walking past floral tributes on a pier’s memorial benches make her feel like she’d been to a funeral.

Rita Evans, 68, says her visits to Llandudno leaves her feeling miserable, rather than uplifted.

Pier manager Simon Mason said he sympathised with the tourist but said only a handful of the 50 benches was festooned with flowers.

Mrs Evans said: “There were four wreaths, photographs and plastic funnels for flowers when I visited. That’s pushing it a bit too far. By the time I’d got to the other end of the pier, I felt as if I’d been on a funeral march, or someone was going to whisk me off to Heaven. I love Llandudno but I don’t go there to be reminded of death. It’s bringing itself down.”


Mrs Evans, of Northwich, Cheshire, who was with her sister and a friend, added: “We usually have a drink at the bottom bar and go to a nearby café for a bite to eat. This time, we did neither.”

Days later, Mrs Evans said she bumped into a woman at the Tatton Show in Cheshire. Coincidentally, she had also just visited Llandudno – and felt just as strongly about “inappropriate” flowers on the pier.

Privately-owned Llandudno Pier’s Simon Mason said: “I sympathise with the lady but most people say they do not see any harm in the flowers.”

He said he had counted 50 benches and only four floral tributes on them – and they were not wreaths, which he felt would be unacceptable.

He also said the prevalence could be because Mrs Evans’ group arrived on Father’s Day – when families were remembering loved ones. Mr Mason will be writing to Mrs Evans to explain the situation.

Customers can order the Anglesey-made £516 benches through Mr Mason but they are not “memorial benches”.

Mayor of Llandudno Cllr Myra Wigzell could see both sides of the debate. She said : “I think the lady (Mrs Evans) has got a valid point. Personally, I used to read memorial plaques on benches but I don’t do that any more. I find it upsetting.

“These memorial plaques are perhaps not meant to be upsetting. They may be bought because of happy memories of coming to Llandudno.

“On the other side of the coin they may bring back sad memories. But if the flowers comfort the bereaved, who are we to stop people putting them there?”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/25/llandudno-pier-visitor-says-bench-flowers-reminded-her-of-a-funeral-55578-31252904/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/25/llandudno-pier-visitor-says-bench-flowers-reminded-her-of-a-funeral-55578-31252904/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 25, 2012, 11:03:51 AM
I agree with her if I am honest. I haven't been down the pier for a while, but I do remember seeing some benches that looked particularly funereal.

It's a tough one as people obviously have very strong emotions about this. But they are ultimately benches to sit down on and some have so many flowers and teddies etc covering them, that it's not ideal to sit down on some of the benches.

Also, a lot of this stuff is plastic and not that good for the environment, especially up in Haulfre or Invalids' Walk, where they can get blown off and litter the area.

I don't know if it's horribly unfeeling to say, but often I don't think that festooning things and making what is, to all intents and purposes, a shrine, is the most positive form of overcoming a bereavement and moving on with life.

It's difficult because ultimately if you raise objections you're intruding on someone's loss, which can be highly problematic.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 25, 2012, 11:15:44 AM
For the record, this problem is not new as me and Blodyn can testify.   $good$


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I also often wonder why the Pier Manager sells wooden benches and then to allow purchasers to decorate them with flowers and wreaths at either end when the memorial plaque on the seat should be sufficient.

It is such a shame because it leaves visitors too scared to sit on the benches.


Bri, I agree completely and it's a problem not just on the pier but wherever there are memorial benches.  Does anyone ever come back to remove the flowers when they are dead (or tatty if they're artificial)?  It doesn't look like it!  Some of the benches then become such a mess that I wonder about posting them on the eyesores thread.  My OH gets pretty cross about this and we remove any dead or tatty flowers that we see.

When a bench has been given in memory of someone, whose property is it?  There are plenty of benches in public areas which also suffer from this, e.g. Invalids' Walk, Happy Valley, West Shore. 
 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Craigydonian on June 25, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
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Familiar words that have already been spoken about many other eyesores in and around the town.  Don't hold your breath.

I reckon it's a load of bollards!    :rage:

I'm afraid you're wrong Yorkie. DaveR is spot on, but the information is embargoed until mid-day Wednesday. See Thursday's Weekly News for the full story (I know you don't buy it but it will also be online)!]
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on June 25, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
Come, come, young lady, the reference to bollards was a sideways comment at the marine aspect associated with the plans.   And also to preserve the embargo until the release date.    ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Quiggs on June 25, 2012, 06:48:43 PM
Ref. the stairway off the Pier, I can recall that it was used for 'Speed Boat ' rides around the bay, as it was past the low tide waterline it could be used at all states of the tide.   ^*^0  ( nearest I could see to a Speedboat )
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 25, 2012, 09:41:38 PM
Well done for preserving the embargo, Yorkie.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: sjwright on June 25, 2012, 10:32:22 PM
We looking at a new landing stage or a patched up one then?! Either way it's good for business :D The rest of the snaps we took when we were under the pier can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ste-wright/sets/72157630199588302/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ste-wright/sets/72157630199588302/)

and here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ste-wright/sets/72157630256557342/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ste-wright/sets/72157630256557342/)

As for the flowers on benches, I mean no offence, but bloody hell, isn't that what the grave yard is for? Me and my mates walk the pier most sundays, its just morbid these days with flowers on benches! I totally agree with what the woman said in the daily post! People are treating them as shrines.

Anyone doing that low tide walk on 2nd August of the old pier?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 25, 2012, 11:51:27 PM
I feel pretty outraged at some of the comments I have seen about the memorials on the pier benches.

Why the hell is it an issue?  Why can't Mrs Evans (and others) go about their lives and find something more pertinent to comment upon?

For one, to get the facts straight, only FOUR out of FIFTY FOUR benches had any kind of floral tribute on.
There were NO wreaths as the disingenuous Mrs Evans states... and there NEVER has been.
So, she states ALL the benches were ''covered' in these things.... but obviously 92% of them were not!!

Now, she also happened to walk the pier on Fathers day.
Are people who loved their deceased Father, and have forked out over £500 for a bench supposed to just forget about them on Father's day?

If people want to remember their recently departed loved ones, how dare anyone be so crass as to tell them what is, and what isn't appropriate?

Finally, the bench outside the bookshop on the pier has 2 photos, and 2 other items on it.  Inappropriate Mrs Evans might say?
The lady who runs the bookshop had the terrible misfortune to lose her Husband AND her Daughter, in the same year.
So, the bench is dedicated to them.  Would Mrs Evans (or any Forum member) like to go and tell her that it is wrong of her to want to remember her loved ones in this way?

Mrs Evans and those who agree with her need to 'get a life' ... they obviously do not have enough to worry about.
I hope that when they are bereaved, they are not subjected to the same mean spirited comments that I have witnessed on this matter.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on June 26, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
i think you summed that up very well indeed Fe's. but we all know some people are made of stone or it may be they have been lucky and never lost someone that close to them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 26, 2012, 07:28:11 AM
This may have been brought up by Mrs. Evans in this instance, but it's something we have discussed before, so it's therefore a subject that is correct to be discussed as it's not just her who's noticed it.

There may have been only 4 on the that day, but I've seen others in the Happy Valley, Invalids' Walk etc on other occasions that are like shrines.

I completely disagree with you when you say we should 'get a life' and talk about something else. What is wrong with mentioning it?

I firmly believe that if someone does something that makes the unremarkable, remarkable; then they shouldn't be offended when someone discusses it, just because it is to do with a dead relative. It may be their 'personal grief', but they, by their very actions, have made the personal, public and therefore they can't complain if someone mentions it.

I don't mind saying that I find it ghoulish when I see these things on the benches. A memorial plaque, with a message should be a sufficient memorial. If people want to make a shrine, then they can do so at their own home.

Snowcap: we'd have to be infants not to have lost someone close to us, whether that be a grandparent, parent, sibling, spouse or maybe child. To say we are made of stone is hugely untrue, I know I am not. But perhaps I've learnt to cope with things in my life and I suppose that's something to be thankful for.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 26, 2012, 08:42:06 AM
A very measured response, Ian. $good$

I was brought up to believe mourning was something that should be done with dignity, rather than gaudy displays etc. As Ian pointed out, we've all lost a loved one, yet 92% of the people who bought a memorial bench on the pier do not feel the need to cover them in plastic flowers etc. Each bench has a plaque attached, that is sufficient.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on June 26, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Come to Llandudno - god's waiting room.  It's It's really depressing seeing thes festooned seats.  The churchyard i s the place.  West shore, Haulfre gardens and the Pier are all infested with them.  Perhaps the Council gets lots of money for them?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 26, 2012, 11:30:02 PM
I am utterly astounded at the opinions expressed here.

Llechwedd, who are you to decide where and how people elect to remember their departed loved ones on a special day?
You use a word as strong as 'infested',  where is the infestation if 92% of the benches are 'flower-free?'
You are entitled to your opinion, mean spirited though it is... and I am entitled to challenge it equally strongly.

Dave, I have seen no 'gaudy displays' ... no 'wreaths' ...EVER.
If I lose a loved one, and I decide to create a 75ft high solid brass memorial to them. then I might invite upon myself some ridicule or comment.  But these few flowers or photos are not in that category, and do not merit the attention of anyone on this forum.

Ian, I don't think your response was measured at all.  It was the response of someone who should have something better to do than pick fault with the way in which people choose to grieve and reminisce.

This should be a non-issue, unworthy of raising and unsuitable for debate.
It will be forgotten, instantly once Wednesdays story about the landing stage emerges.... and rightly so.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on June 27, 2012, 07:22:04 AM
The fact that some people travel to Llandudno especialy to put flowers on a bench must be a good thing,most are dedicated to holidaymakers who either loved sitting on the pier,West shore ,Heulfre gardens and the family must pay CCBC or the pier company to put them there,so the fact that their families continue to come to Llandudno ia a good thing.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2012, 08:45:02 AM
You read it here first several weeks ago...  ;)

£331,000 landing stage to be built at end of Llandudno Pier

Conwy County Borough Council in partnership with Six Piers Ltd has announced it will build a new £331,000 landing stage at the end of Llandudno pier in order to attract more tourists to the area.
 
The pier’s former landing stage fell into disrepair in 2006, but with a new landing stage constructed, boat cruises will be able to sail from the pier once again to attractions such as Puffin Island.  Work is set to start on The Dolphin Landing Stage in July and could be completed as early as October.
 
Jim Jones, section head for tourism at Conwy County Borough Council said:  “A new landing stage was a key priority within our Destination Conwy management plan, as we stood to gain much from opening up Llandudno to the sea.  We know there’s a lot of interest from cruise businesses wanting to come to Llandudno and visit other attractions throughout Conwy.  Of course, this comes as no surprise to us, especially as it comes on the back of Llandudno being voted a UK top ten destination in 2012 by Trip Advisor.”
 
Cllr Ronnie Hughes, Portfolio Holder for Tourism said: “This is great news for the Visitor Economy of Llandudno & Conwy County. We are grateful for the support of Gwynt y Môr Tourism Fund for their contribution, which is an excellent example of a partnership between the private and public sector.”
 
The Victorian pier at Llandudno, a Grade II listed building, was originally constructed in 1876.  An integral part of the resort, it is considered to be the finest surviving example of Victorian Piers in Great Britain, influencing both the tourist and retail economies in North Wales.
 
Gavin and Stacey actress Alison Steadman spoke of the demise of the landing stage at the pier in a recent BBC episode of Coming Home. Keen to see the Pier return to a busy port for boat trips, as she remembered it from a young age.
 
 
In response to the funding announcement, she said: “Great news that Llandudno is to have a new landing stage built on the pier! It will be wonderful to have access to all the local beauty spots and it will mean many more visitors for this great place that is so close to my heart.”
 
A landing stage was constructed at the seaward end of the pier in 1891 to provide berthing facilities for a wide range of pleasure vessels, including those offering services to the Isle of Man and trips to Puffin Island and Anglesey.  It was replaced with a concrete berthing platform in 1969, but was defunct by 2006 when the fendering frame fell into disrepair and became unsafe.
 
The new development would not be possible without the support of funding partners: Gwynt y Môr Tourism Fund, Conwy County Borough Council, Llandudno Town Council, and the Six Piers.
 
RWE npower renewables’ Gwynt y Môr Project Director, Toby Edmonds said: “We are delighted to be able to back tourism which, like the renewables industry, is so important to the economy of North Wales.”
 
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 27, 2012, 08:59:05 AM
Excellent news at last!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 27, 2012, 09:35:26 AM
That's great!

However, I'm not that great with the technical terms, so when they say a 'dolphin', do they mean the whole of what I might call the landing stage, or just the wood and rubber buffers that were rotten?

If it's the former, then that's a big job! Hopefully we might get bigger ships than even the Balmoral and the Waverley back.

Nice that they got a quotation from Alison Steadman, bet she was surprised to get that call!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 27, 2012, 09:40:07 AM
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The pier’s former landing stage fell into disrepair in 2006, but with a new landing stage constructed, boat cruises will be able to sail from the pier once again to attractions such as Puffin Island.   

Excellent news except we want boat cruises to bring more visitors TO Llandudno and not take them FROM Llandudno

I also wish the press release could have indicated up to what size vessels will be able to use a £331K landing stage.

Will it simply be just the Waverley or Balmoral for one week a year?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2012, 09:58:33 AM
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However, I'm not that great with the technical terms, so when they say a 'dolphin', do they mean the whole of what I might call the landing stage, or just the wood and rubber buffers that were rotten?
Dolphin is another name for Landing Stage. The wooden frame with rubber dampeners that sits on the side of the Landing Stage to absorb the impact of the ship as it docks is called the Fendering Framework.

The technical report is available to view here:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43706/response/112658/attach/4/LLANDUDNO%20PIER%20FENDER%20REPORT%2009%2011%202009.pdf (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43706/response/112658/attach/4/LLANDUDNO%20PIER%20FENDER%20REPORT%2009%2011%202009.pdf)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 27, 2012, 10:16:24 AM
Well that's great then.

Holyhead has had a number of cruise ships call there since it was upgraded, so I imagine the same could happen in Llandudno. I don't mean to be offensive to Holyhead, but Llandudno would be a far more likely and attractive destination for cruise vessels, especially with the castle at Conwy close by.

I mean, if you stop at Holyhead, you have to travel the whole of the isle of Anglesey before you reach anywhere really worth seeing if you're a foreign tourist.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 27, 2012, 11:07:18 AM
Will the landing stage be large enough to accommodate Cruise ships?

If so, up to what tonnage?

Is the depth of water off the pier deep enough?

Don't get me wrong, I think it will be wonderful if we could get the cruise ships currently berthing in Holyhead to come here instead but I am sceptical.

I have just read the Daily Post and Cllr Ronnie Hughes also mentions cruise ships coming to Llandudno.

Yorkie has experience of cruise ships.

I shall look forward to reading his observations.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 27, 2012, 11:20:09 AM
I would imagine the large one are too big as you say, but 'Hebridean Princess'-size would be good I think.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2012, 11:24:08 AM
What used to happen was that a smaller ship would act as a tender to transport passengers to/from the Cruse Ship to the Landing Stage.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 27, 2012, 11:51:21 AM
Dave, tendering is fine in the Med but even then ports of call are often missed because of rough seas.

Personally, I cannot see tendering becoming an accepted practice at Llandudno by the cruise industry.

Ian48, Hebridean Princess is a possibility but it is 2,112 tons and only has 30 cabins.

I am afraid that is not big enough to fill even a red HOHO bus.

Yorkie recently went on Braemar which is 23,000 tons and has 377 cabins.

A few weeks ago, we were on Azura and that was 116,000 tons and had 1,546 cabins.

This year, the Port of Holyhead has Caribbean Princess visiting twice and that ship is 112,000 tons and has 1,557 cabins

What we could do with is a local company doing daily trips to the Isle of Man and Liverpool.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2012, 12:00:18 PM
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Dave, tendering is fine in the Med but even then ports of call are often missed because of inclement weather.

Personally, I cannot see tendering becoming an accepted practice at Llandudno by the cruise industry.
There's unfortunately really no other option, as the water isn't deep enough at the Pierhead for the large cruise ships to dock (they need about 10.5m of water minimum).

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What we could do with is a local company doing daily trips to the Isle of Man and Liverpool.
That's a great idea. Funnily enough, I was talking to someone about that only yesterday....  ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 27, 2012, 12:35:25 PM
With regards to the Caribbean Princess at Holyhead, it says clearly on this link that "all passengers" are transported ashore using launches.

Would that not be the same as Dave was thinking for Llandudno?

http://www.princess.com/find/excursion/exlistfordestination.page?portid=HLY&t=R&exType=S (http://www.princess.com/find/excursion/exlistfordestination.page?portid=HLY&t=R&exType=S)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 27, 2012, 03:19:15 PM
Perhaps, the ship anchors in the harbour at Holyhead and thus sheltered from the worst of the weather.

Am I correct in thinking all that is actually happening is the present landing stage (aka berthing platform) at the end of the pier is having its damaged fenders replaced at a cost of £331K rather than a brand new landing stage as announced in the press release?

What a shame the funds for the repair could not have come from another source, such as the Welsh Government, rather than coming from the company that will be building Gwynt y Mor and ruining the wonderful view out in the bay?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Quiggs on June 27, 2012, 04:12:25 PM
I recently sailed on the 'Caribbean Princess', they have six tenders which are used for shore excursions when they are unable to dock, but they are very dependent on the sea conditions being favourable. Mooring off Llandudno bay may leave them open to changing weather conditions. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Craigydonian on June 27, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Liners have anchored in the bay before, the most notable being the Kungsholm of the now defunct Swedish America Line which used to visit regularly until one year a storm blew up and it wasn't possible to get the passengers back on board! Having said that I was on an Eastern Mediterranean cruise recently when we were tendered ashore at Santorini in very choppy seas without problem. So all in all I think that on most occasions tendering from ships anchored half a mile off the North Shore will for the most part be quite feasible.
I'm also aware that approaches have been made to certain cruise lines who have expressed a keen interest in coming to Llandudno - so watch this space.
The full story is in tomorrow's Weekly News!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on June 27, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
But will there be a storey about the lack of care being put into the upkeep of Llandudno;s gardens and lawns,no.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 27, 2012, 08:53:23 PM
Another aspect of this landing stage news which intrigues me, is the spin off tourism which could be generated no matter how large or small the boats arriving are.

I mean, there are a great many people who came to Llandudno in the past, just to watch the steamers dock.
People like to see this things, whether out of nostalgia or just general interest.

I think that in future, if ships dock quite regularly, then Llandudno will gain an enhanced reputation and people will come back to the town in high numbers.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Jack on June 27, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
It certainly is great news for Llandudno and will undoubtedly raise the profile of the town.  If cruise ship passengers were to come ashore here many of them will be foreign visitors.  Currently I don't feel the town gets enough non UK visitors especially when you consider the high number that visit neighbouring Conwy and its castle.  This pier investment coupled with money being spent on the Railway Station, the ski slope, Llandudno museum, the Clarence, Alice trail and probably Tudno Castle are reasons to be upbeat and proof that compared to many other towns, especially seaside towns, the outlook is quite rosy.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on June 27, 2012, 09:54:35 PM
There is a lot of scope here for cruise ships.  Have a look at Swan Hellenic's "Minerva" on the web.  This vessel can do river cruises as well as coastal work, so its draft should be possible for Llandudno calls.  It also has its own tenders which are lowered and ferry passengers to suitable landing points. I hope someone in Conwy will be talking to such operators.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 27, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Its draft is 6 metres.

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So all in all I think that on most occasions tendering from ships anchored half a mile off the North Shore will for the most part be quite feasible.
 

Don’t forget the tide.

I sincerely hope this can happen in my lifetime.   ££$

Incidentally, the Kungsholm is now a luxurious floating hotel in Oman.

http://www.veronicaduqm.com/over/index.htm (http://www.veronicaduqm.com/over/index.htm)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian48 on June 28, 2012, 06:29:05 AM
That's interesting about the Swan Hellenic Minerva. I have never heard of it, so looked at the website, and they have a cruise in July called 'Gardens of the Celtic Fringe', which is exactly as it says on the tin.

It screams for them to stop off in Llandudno and visit Bodnant Gardens!

http://www.swanhellenic.com/cruise-itinerary.html?areaid=37&cruiseid=18704 (http://www.swanhellenic.com/cruise-itinerary.html?areaid=37&cruiseid=18704)

That cruise also visits Portrush in NI, which like Llandudno is a resort town (granted with a small harbour, but more like Conwy Marina to be honest).
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 28, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
That's exactly the sort of ship we should be encouraging to visit. I hope CCBC staff are actively contacting cruise ship operators to make them aware of the new facility.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Craigydonian on June 28, 2012, 10:33:19 AM
Jim Jones of Conwy's tourism department has spoke to cruise lines who have expressed an interest. The pier already owns the required licence so it looks very positive.
Incidentally I have been tendered ashore from a cruise liner off the coast of Alaska so I don't think Llandudno will pose too much of a problem. Cruises around the British Isles are growing in popularity and there are a number of lines including Fred Olsen and Voyages of Discovery which operate smallish ships catering for around 500 to 600 passengers.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on June 28, 2012, 11:13:32 AM
Does anyone know how long the work would take and when they might start?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on June 28, 2012, 11:20:29 AM
Fred Olsen passenger capacities (standard occupancy) are:

Balmoral    1350
Braemar     929
Blackwatch 804
Boudicca     880

Discovery    698
Voyager      556

Voyager has started sailing from Liverpool and once the port has opened up properly for Cruise Ships no doubt these smaller vessels will all make use of Liverpool.   Fred Olsen does come to Holyhead with the Round Britain Cruise.   With Holyhead and Liverpool both more suitable I personally cannot see them making the very short journey just to visit Llandudno.  However, we must live in hope.

The Waverley and other day tripper type boats will probably be more suited.    ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on June 28, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
Yorkie be more positive,if CCBC and the town council get their act together and make the town attractive and well maintained anything could happen,ok Yorkie you are right.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on June 28, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
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That's exactly the sort of ship we should be encouraging to visit. I hope CCBC staff are actively contacting cruise ship operators to make them aware of the new facility.
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on June 28, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
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Yorkie be more positive,if CCBC and the town council get their act together and make the town attractive and well maintained anything could happen,ok Yorkie you are right.

Let's not all start looking at the Councils small attempts at improving things through rose coloured glasses.   It is also important for contrary views to be considered and to keep our feet firmly on the ground.   >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on June 28, 2012, 04:39:06 PM
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Yorkie be more positive,if CCBC and the town council get their act together and make the town attractive and well maintained anything could happen,ok Yorkie you are right.

Quite coincidently, I have just received Fred Olsen's 2013/14 Brochure and they are publicising that they will be having a number of departures from the new Pier Head Terminal in Liverpool - so it's already happening!   
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 28, 2012, 09:19:21 PM
The Pier Tackle Shop is being renovated. The side facing the sea gets hammered every winter in the storms.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 08, 2012, 08:09:05 PM
A section of Llandudno Pier has been closed to the public, following concerns about its safety.
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Post by: sjwright on July 08, 2012, 11:18:07 PM
what concerns are they?!
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 07, 2012, 09:53:10 AM
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You read it here first several weeks ago...  ;)

£331,000 landing stage to be built at end of Llandudno Pier

Conwy County Borough Council in partnership with Six Piers Ltd has announced it will build a new £331,000 landing stage at the end of Llandudno pier in order to attract more tourists to the area.
 
The pier’s former landing stage fell into disrepair in 2006, but with a new landing stage constructed, boat cruises will be able to sail from the pier once again to attractions such as Puffin Island.  Work is set to start on The Dolphin Landing Stage in July and could be completed as early as October.


When is work set to start?  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on October 07, 2012, 10:31:39 AM
Apparently July and be finished by October according to a report in the Three Towns Forum!   ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 07, 2012, 11:11:13 AM
Nothing has started yet when I was down there yesterday morning.

Maybe all the construction work is being carried out elsewhere.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on October 07, 2012, 05:05:25 PM
There is a lot of offshore work going on now and this will only increase in the coming few years. Unlike with offshore gas and oil rigs there is no readily available helideck to utilise that form of transport, so the next best option is to repair the landing stage at the end of the Pier so that it’s fit for Public Transport and use Llandudno as a Hub to move the workforce to where they are needed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on October 07, 2012, 08:46:57 PM
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Nothing has started yet when I was down there yesterday morning.

Maybe all the construction work is being carried out elsewhere.

Why is anyone surprised?   I for one never expected the work to be completed October.
As Bri says, nothing has been done.
An update would have been nice wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 14, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
Anybody with mobility issues should be made aware that all the benches have been removed except for a couple just after the Golden Goose.

Anybody with bladder issues should also be aware there are currently no toilets open either. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on November 14, 2012, 04:23:39 PM
  just read Blongb s post. Seems a good suggestion. Difficult to tell the nautical distance from the shore but the existing points, Mostyn docks and Birkenhead, would, I imagine, involve more travelling. Mike
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on November 14, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
The landing stage was to be finished by October according to the Forum.
So has work started yet ?
It would be nice if someone responsible for the work could give us a progress report or is that expecting to much.

Hope to pay a visit to Llandudno before Christmas and was hoping to see the new landing stage for myself as well as the Christmas lights.
Hope the journey from Mull will be worth it  :D :laugh:!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on November 14, 2012, 05:47:17 PM
Erm... It won't.

Latest estimate of landing stage renovation work, March 2013.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on November 14, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
Never mind I will bring my dark glasses for the Christmas lights. :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
Sounds as though a big problem is looming over the Landing Stage repairs....  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2012, 01:38:20 PM
Piers are tumbling in value, Southsea South Parade Pier is up for auction with a guide price of £210,000:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235182/Yours-200-000-Historic-South-Parade-Pier-goes-hammer-price-bed-house.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235182/Yours-200-000-Historic-South-Parade-Pier-goes-hammer-price-bed-house.html)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on November 20, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
If they do not confirm the Landing stage will be available for Summer 2013 how do they expect Balmoral or Waverley to include serving Llandudno next year ?

These firms need plenty of advance notice to draw up a programme of sailings then produce reliable publicity.

Another wasted year coming up.

Come on Llandudno get a grip I am sure other places in North Wales/North west will jump in and offer facilities.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on November 20, 2012, 09:00:59 PM
As far as i know CCBC are spending the windfarm money on other things so the money put aside for the landing platform is dwindling.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
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As far as i know CCBC are spending the windfarm money on other things so the money put aside for the landing platform is dwindling.
I believe the situation may be worse that that, Wrex.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on November 21, 2012, 12:50:19 AM
From what I can gather, the relatively small amount budgeted for the landing stage renovation is being eaten into very severely by 'officialdom'

Apparently, there are various consultants, structural engineers, surveyors, divers, and other entities taking a slice of the cash before a single penny can be spent on the physical work itself.

I believe that CCBC are entirely to blame or the wasted time and money.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 25, 2012, 10:29:39 PM
I've been assured by a senior CCBC official that the Landing Stage Project is on target, a Tender Document is currently being issued, and the work is expected to be completed by Easter 2013.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 10, 2012, 12:08:42 AM
Linked is a further article about the sale of Southsea Pier, (and others)

It is interesting to note that £11.4 million of lottery funding has been awarded to Hastings Pier.

Can you imagine what wonders could be developed on Llandudno Pier with that kind of investment?
Sadly, that will never happen whilst in private hands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20609969 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20609969)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 10, 2012, 09:06:21 AM
Perhaps the eventual fate of all Piers will be ownership by a Trust or Charity?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2012, 11:11:30 AM
Hmm, it seems that the repairs to the Landing Stage need not be rushed, as the Balmoral will not be sailing at all in 2013:

http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/latestnews/10122038.No_cruise_programme_for_Balmoral_in_2013/ (http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/latestnews/10122038.No_cruise_programme_for_Balmoral_in_2013/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on December 22, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
I note it says they are investigating the possiblity of  Waverley sailing in areas she has been absent from over the last few years.

Could this be Llandudno ?

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on December 22, 2012, 07:47:05 PM
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Hmm, it seems that the repairs to the Landing Stage need not be rushed, as the Balmoral will not be sailing at all in 2013:

http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/latestnews/10122038.No_cruise_programme_for_Balmoral_in_2013/ (http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/latestnews/10122038.No_cruise_programme_for_Balmoral_in_2013/)

I don't think that's relevent Dave, as the work was mainly being financed by the wind farm installers, so they could avoid a 6 hour per day round trip from Birkenhead for their workforce
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2012, 08:14:02 PM
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Hmm, it seems that the repairs to the Landing Stage need not be rushed, as the Balmoral will not be sailing at all in 2013:

http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/latestnews/10122038.No_cruise_programme_for_Balmoral_in_2013/ (http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/latestnews/10122038.No_cruise_programme_for_Balmoral_in_2013/)

I don't think that's relevent Dave, as the work was mainly being financed by the wind farm installers, so they could avoid a 6 hour per day round trip from Birkenhead for their workforce
Really? Isn't the windfarm already half built though?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on December 23, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Windfarms, are there more to come further west?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 23, 2012, 03:53:19 PM
Yes, Rhiannon is on her way.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 18, 2013, 07:54:26 PM
A look down a slightly snow covered Pier this afternoon. If you're wondering what the railings in the foreground are, they are there because the decking is unsafe and there is no money to fix it, so the whole area has had to be sealed off. As I understand it, there are no plans to carry out any maintenance work on the decking this year.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 18, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
No money to fix it! How long can that go on for?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 18, 2013, 08:17:31 PM
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No money to fix it! How long can that go on for?
Good question....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on January 19, 2013, 11:59:34 AM
So does that mean the pier will be closed during the summer months and people not allowed to walk down or shops to trade or people use the Waverley if it comes? Madness.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 19, 2013, 01:03:46 PM
Fortunately not, the section on the other side of the kiosk is open, enabling access up/down the pier neck.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on January 19, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
   Not quite with u Dave. How do you get onto the "neck" -- climb over the railings? Have I misunderstood you somewhere? Mike
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 19, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
There are walkways to both the left & right of the kiosk you can see closest to the camera on the right. The walkway to the left is blocked of, the walkway to the right remains open.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 19, 2013, 05:13:54 PM
If the Pier Company has no money then who paid for what looked like a brand new electricty generator to be installed during this past week with the help of Buckleys Crane Hire over the railings and into the area of the Golden Goose?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 19, 2013, 05:22:07 PM
Scottish Power, because it's their transformer. That building is the electricity sub-station for the entire Pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2013, 04:53:22 PM
I believe the repair work on the Landing Stage is scheduled to start in late February.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 31, 2013, 05:11:59 PM
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As I understand it, there are no plans to carry out any maintenance work on the decking this year.  &shake&

Last Saturday, I noticed they have begun to replace the decking just beyond the ladies toilets and where there used to be a shop/storeroom.

It seems they have also now decided to close the pier to the general public although I suspect it may still be open to fisherman.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 31, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
It should be open at weekends Bri, certainly if the weather is reasonable.
The Manager has attempted to run the bar (as a cafe) over the winter.

Also, the schools half term begins on the 8th February this year, so I fully expect the Pier to be open to the general public in the week leading up to that, as I am expecting deliveries!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: martin on January 31, 2013, 08:32:02 PM
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It should be open at weekends Bri, certainly if the weather is reasonable.
The Manager has attempted to run the bar (as a cafe) over the winter.

Also, the schools half term begins on the 8th February this year, so I fully expect the Pier to be open to the general public in the week leading up to that, as I am expecting deliveries!
Fester, I may be wrong,  I have you down as proprietor of the Llandudno Pier version of the Walmington-on-Sea  Novelty Rock Emporium, am I warm? ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 31, 2013, 10:40:30 PM
Fester, the pier was open to the public on Saturday as we both know because we exchanged greetings but it has not been open since (as far as I know).

There is a sign mentioning 'closed due to bad weather' on the front gate but when I queried this on Sunday with the pier workers they informed us to ignore what it says on that sign as the pier is closed because of all the work going on at the moment.

They also appear to be carrying out some work with scaffolding at the rear of the cafe at the far end of the pier.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2013, 10:09:23 AM
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It should be open at weekends Bri, certainly if the weather is reasonable.
The Manager has attempted to run the bar (as a cafe) over the winter.

Also, the schools half term begins on the 8th February this year, so I fully expect the Pier to be open to the general public in the week leading up to that, as I am expecting deliveries!
Fester, I may be wrong,  I have you down as proprietor of the Llandudno Pier version of the Walmington-on-Sea  Novelty Rock Emporium, am I warm? ???

Not rock Martin, but a lovely shop-- a welcoming owner-- and views to die for! 8)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 01, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
Nemesis, thanks for the kind words.... you must be referring to when my wife is working!  :laugh:

Bri,  yes the Cafe at the Pier Head sustained a lot of storm damage back in Nov/Dec,  and has to be repaired as a matter of urgency.  It is the biggest cash generator on the pier, after the main arcade.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 01, 2013, 10:18:34 PM
Even the main arcade was shut this morning even though it is advertised as being open on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sunddays.

Fester, how do tenants of kiosks get to know whether or not the pier will be open from one day to another to give them the option of opening or not?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 01, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
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Even the main arcade was shut this morning even though it is advertised as being open on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sunddays.

Fester, how do tenants of kiosks get to know whether or not the pier will be open from one day to another to give them the option of opening or not?

They don't.  That is a major problem for any kiosk owner who lives far away, as some do.
However, from 1st Dec to 28th Feb, it cannot be an issue as we are 'out of contract' anyway.
Therefore we are not actually entitled to access the pier.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 01, 2013, 10:35:20 PM
Thanks for the answer and hope to see you in the morning as tomorrow will be a sunny day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 13, 2013, 08:20:20 AM
Cleethorpes Pier has failed to sell at auction, reserve price £400,000. In the past, it has changed hands for over £1m.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-21305045 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-21305045)

What you get for your money:
http://www.i-bidder.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/swindells-auctioneers/catalogue-id-4265/lot-2167679# (http://www.i-bidder.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/swindells-auctioneers/catalogue-id-4265/lot-2167679#)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on February 13, 2013, 08:31:01 AM
Worryingly, that looks similar in length to Colwyn Bay and probably is far better appointed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2013, 09:50:40 AM
I saw that on the news last week, it does not surprise me with a pier's high overheads and low income, I would not invest in one either.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 13, 2013, 11:50:08 PM
With good marketing and a range of interesting attractions.... together with management that is allowed to invest and innovate, I believe that Piers in general are potentially very lucrative businesses.

Of course, the seaside town itself needs to be capable of attracting viable numbers of visitors.

Llandudno is certainly such a town.  Colwyn Bay may no longer be a viable proposition.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 14, 2013, 08:05:39 AM
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With good marketing and a range of interesting attractions.... together with management that is allowed to invest and innovate, I believe that Piers in general are potentially very lucrative businesses.

Of course, the seaside town itself needs to be capable of attracting viable numbers of visitors.

Llandudno is certainly such a town.  Colwyn Bay may no longer be a viable proposition.
That certainly is the case. If you look at piers that have reinvested profits into providing more and better quality attractions, they are very successful businesses indeed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 14, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
Llandudno pier looks to need much investment, at the very least to the appearance of it, but what returns would a investor receive? It seems that the current ownership / management is desperately short of money going by how it all looks  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 14, 2013, 08:41:21 AM
It goes back to my point about reinvesting profits. The Pier owners don't reinvest, that's always been the problem with Llandudno Pier's absentee owners. It's viewed as a cash cow and is given practically no real investment. If you think about it, the last major investment on the Pier was the building of the Golden Goose back in 1968!

With sustained investment, Llandudno Pier could be a highly lucrative investment, without a doubt.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on February 16, 2013, 05:13:32 PM
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It goes back to my point about reinvesting profits. The Pier owners don't reinvest, that's always been the problem with Llandudno Pier's absentee owners. It's viewed as a cash cow and is given practically no real investment. If you think about it, the last major investment on the Pier was the building of the Golden Goose back in 1968!

I've been lead to believe the Pier spend up to £100,000 a year on maintenance Dave, so as to your comment on lack of real investment, have a good look at the galvanised steel beams and other steel work that has been put in, under the hard wood decking, that has also been replaced. Infrastructure work without which would have left our Pier in the same state as Colwyn Bay's
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 16, 2013, 05:59:31 PM
I worked on the Pier for quite a few years, so have a good knowledge of how the maintenance regime works (or how it used to, rather).

The figure you mention (that is now up to £120,000 a year roughly) is pretty much all taken up with repairs to the steelwork. Unfortunately, very little is left over for other repairs and maintenance. Take a close look at the kerbs as you walk up and down the pier (the wooden bit the railings rest on)and you'll see that some of them are in a shocking state, with one or two bits completely rotted away. Take a look at the photo attached - it's a section of kerb that was marked out with yellow paint for replacement two years ago due to the fact it is rotten through - the work has still not been carried out and that section is deteriorating further. I'm afraid that's the reality of the situation.

Of course, the £120,000 spending is great but it's not investment, it's just routine maintenance. Investment is when you build new attractions and facilities to get more visitors spending their money. I can't recall anything significant in many years. If we're honest, the pier looks tatty and its attractions are tired and run down.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 17, 2013, 09:28:42 AM
Funny that this subject should arise as I happened to pop onto the pier yesterday to pass the time of day with Fester. I was quite surprised how many large patches of wood had rotted away since I last went on there. I turned back at Fester's shop, as it was rather busy and I had the dog with me, so I haven't seen the further areas. It was the bit near the shell shop which I noticed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on February 17, 2013, 10:11:31 AM
Looking at the rusted white ironmongery in your picture Dave, I wonder whether there would be any mileage in getting a national paint company - say, Hammerite or Watco  - to sponsor alternate sides of the pier railings?  They could paint one side each and advertise accordingly.  Given the pier's footfall, it might be worth a try.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on February 17, 2013, 10:53:40 AM
Just put a brush in Festers hand,it will be done in no time lol,seriously these days i suppose we have to be grateful we have a pier that is open,but it just goes to prove my other post,investment is a no go.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on February 17, 2013, 05:53:47 PM
is there no chance of national lottery money?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 17, 2013, 08:42:40 PM
Snowcap, the Pier is a privately owned business, Lottery funding is not, (and should not) be used to prop us private businesses.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on February 17, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
Dam
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 18, 2013, 06:51:48 AM
Although the Lottery is currently considering a proposal to allow private Pier owners to apply for Grant funding.

EDIT: It appears that the Lottery has actually given the go ahead as from next year for private owners of Listed Buildings to apply for limited Lottery Funding;

"Dame Jenny Abramsky, chair of the Heritage Lottery Fund, said that from next year private owners would be eligible to apply for match funding grants of up to £100,000."
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on February 18, 2013, 04:17:59 PM
what are the realistic chances of the owners applying for a grant I wander and would £100,000 be enough
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 18, 2013, 09:24:57 PM
What an interesting development.

£100,000 can be made to go a long way, especially if it is match funded with another £100k from the owners.

I shall give this information to the Pier management, in case they are unaware of it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 11:01:59 PM
To me this is exactly the sort of thing that the lottery money should be spent on, I hated it being wasted on that running and jumping nonsense in London last year! :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2013, 07:51:10 AM
It's more how you complete the application, too;  I've won similar amounts from the National Lottery in the past and what gets you in with a chance is meeting their very detailed criteria, which change year to year. Not easy and rather arduous.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on February 28, 2013, 01:51:54 PM
March tomorrow - any sign of the contractors mobilising to start work on the berthing head yet, anyone?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 28, 2013, 04:07:58 PM
Contractors are on site and have constructed a scaffolding access platform at the landing stage.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 28, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
The Golden Goose is having a new carpet fitted.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 28, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Noticed that yesterday, looks lovely hardwearing stuff. Didn't envy the men lugging those huge machines around though. Nice to see a local firm being used.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 28, 2013, 09:49:57 PM
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Contractors are on site and have constructed a scaffolding access platform at the landing stage.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: romanjohn on March 01, 2013, 05:01:10 PM


http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/council-urged-to-do-more-over-south-parade-pier-1-4841615 (http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/council-urged-to-do-more-over-south-parade-pier-1-4841615)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 05, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
Who's for a Forum trip.....?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 13, 2013, 11:38:48 PM
What a fantastic achievement!

I never thought I would see it happen again.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: dwsi on March 14, 2013, 11:27:26 AM
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Are you paying?  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 14, 2013, 12:21:03 PM
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 14, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
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Are you paying?  D)
I certainly am.....

...for myself.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2013, 06:03:30 PM
Steelwork repairs are ongoing at the Pierhead. No sign of any work on the Landing Stage though, even the scaffolding has disappeared.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2013, 05:13:30 PM
The currently empty kiosk halfway down the Pier is to sell high end porcelain gifts this season:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2013, 10:31:03 AM
Details of the work to be carried out on the Landing Stages:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000205/M00003352/AI00040816/ (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000205/M00003352/AI00040816/)$unreg09786.doc.pdf

Speaking of which, has anyone booked tickets for the Waverley yet? I can't see the cruises from the Pier listed on their website?
http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/booknow.htm?region=all&month=05&Search=Search (http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/booknow.htm?region=all&month=05&Search=Search)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on March 19, 2013, 10:55:54 AM
Try the North Wales section of the Waverley website.
On there.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
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Try the North Wales section of the Waverley website.
On there.
Hmmm...if I click on 'Llandudno Departures', nothing comes up:
http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/ndisp.htm?port1=llandudno&port2= (http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/ndisp.htm?port1=llandudno&port2=)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on March 19, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
I have been in touch with Waverley Excusions about lack of information and they have reply as follows:

" We have given the Council a deadline to confirm the situation with Llandudno pier and we will update passenges once we have any further information. "

Hope the restoration work is still going ahead. It looked hopefull last week with photos of scaffolding in place but I note it as now been taken down. Although I do wonder what it has to do with the council.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
The Council is managing the project on behalf of Six Piers Ltd. I understand that, due to the delays, they have now placed their best men on the job:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on March 19, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
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Details of the work to be carried out on the Landing Stages:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000205/M00003352/AI00040816/ (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000205/M00003352/AI00040816/)$unreg09786.doc.pdf

Speaking of which, has anyone booked tickets for the Waverley yet? I can't see the cruises from the Pier listed on their website?
http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/booknow.htm?region=all&month=05&Search=Search (http://www.waverleyexcursions.co.uk/booknow.htm?region=all&month=05&Search=Search)

Dave I've booked and paid for the Anglesey Coast trip on the 2nd of June from Llandudno but after your post I checked the Waverley Excursions web page and the trip is no longer listed. I can't believe its fully booked that quickly, so I wonder what’s going on?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
I believe there is uncertainty about whether the work on the Landing Stage will be complete by the scheduled date.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 19, 2013, 10:58:09 PM
Not too surprising really!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on March 21, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
Due to detailed enquiries various people have been notified that the gun has been well and truly jumped - and not by anyone in North Wales.

That timetable was never discussed with anyone in authority and it was only when enquiries were made that the truth came to light and caution was advised.

The annoying thing is that an alternative itinerary is available to the steamer operators - not involving Llandudno at that date unfortunately, but bringing the paddler back to Liverpool on a routine that almost guarantees a sell out and maximum publicity - but the company seems to think it doesn't need that sort of thing.

Llandudno can then be scheduled for another more realistic date later in the summer when works are likely to be complete.

This was never going to be a quick or simple scheme to implement due to the mix of public money and private assets, which will take time to document - even when everyone wants to proceed as they do here.

Personally I can't wait to walk down the pier and sail away again - it seems a long time ago that I last did it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 21, 2013, 06:43:51 PM
Thanks for the info, No.6.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on March 21, 2013, 10:56:03 PM
Looks like I'll be getting a refund instead of my cruise...what a shame  :-[
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on April 06, 2013, 05:07:20 PM
On Ships of Calmac Forum someone has picked up that Planning permision has not yet been applied for restoration of the landing stage.
This scheme has been talked about for months so why has nothing been done about it ?

Think Waverley Excursions will have to go for a Plan B if they have one.

Can not see it is possible for a visit later in the year, the timetable has no suitable dates . Season ends in October
Llandudno loses out again .   $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2013, 05:21:43 PM
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On Ships of Calmac Forum someone has picked up that Planning permision has not yet been applied for restoration of the landing stage.
It has, see the link in my post here:
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61.msg57893.html#msg57893 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61.msg57893.html#msg57893)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 07, 2013, 09:41:02 PM
Sadly, the landing stage restoration is no nearer commencing.

Delays between the Council and the Contractors has been cited.
'No Comment' is the official response from the Pier at this time.

Off the record,Pier Management are 100% convinced that the project WILL happen.... but certainly cannot say when.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: romanjohn on April 08, 2013, 01:06:37 AM
Hi fester i was under the impresion that the money was all ready there for the contract in febuary march to start. dave took some pictures. building materials and scafolding work being done is the left hand knowing what the right hand is doing. How is work going on at the clarance hotel.and the railway station.  Romanjohn
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on April 08, 2013, 10:20:01 AM
Clarence Hotel?? Nil-- we now have another one closed in the same area--The Royal.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 08, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
Work on the Clarence is scheduled to start next month (hopefully). Fingers crossed the Royal is sold quickly and reopened.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 08, 2013, 06:50:33 PM
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Hi fester i was under the impresion that the money was all ready there for the contract in febuary march to start. dave took some pictures. building materials and scafolding work being done is the left hand knowing what the right hand is doing.

There is an A4 sheet of paper in the window of the amusement arcade at the end of the pier that states work was due to start in the first week of March and would last 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on April 08, 2013, 07:02:12 PM
 but did it say which march  _))* wonder wha thev,e done with that money
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 09, 2013, 12:06:46 AM
It is safe to say that £300k doesn't go very far when you have surveyors, lawyers, structural engineers etc, all dipping in for a slice.   They don't come cheap, and they create work for themselves.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on April 09, 2013, 08:37:34 AM
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Work on the Clarence is scheduled to start next month (hopefully). Fingers crossed the Royal is sold quickly and reopened.

re The Clarence---next month is always as it says--next month-- never This Month
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2013, 08:41:35 AM
May was always the quoted restart date for work, though.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on April 09, 2013, 08:43:02 AM
We shall live in hope-- meanwhile the dandelions at the front are making a lovely splash of colour.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on April 10, 2013, 12:36:50 AM
I have read that entry on Ships of Calmac and corrected it as follows :-


A colleague and I have looked very deeply into the Llandudno fiasco .
 
The pdf WEL published in early March, with a dated timetable and fares ex Llandudno had been formulated without any confirmation at all being obtained as to the pier being available to accept calls from either the pier owners, or Conwy Council who are carrying out the repairs on the privately owned - Trevor Hemmings - Centre Parcs - Six Piers Ltd - pier, using funds from the Gwynt y Mor wind farm levy,. I know this because I have taken the trouble to speak directly with the various parties.
 
Enquiries at first revealed substantial problems yet to be overcome before a contract for the repairs can be let, and also - it must be pointed out - a steely determination to achieve that aim, but then deeper research revealed that planning was still at consultation stage, as the pier is a listed structure and works will need not just Council and Six Piers financial and contractual commitment, but the grant of formal planning consent, as without it, the pier being a listed structure, work without planning consent is a criminal offence, so there is a critical bar to progress in that element.
 
Planning Consultation closes on the 17th April so it is likely that planning consent will follow at an early date. One must hope that the obstacles referred to previously have been under discussion throughout the intervening weeks, and they too can be signed off at the earliest opportunity to allow work to actually start.
 
Works are programmed to need a ten to twelve weeks possession of the landing stage from commencement, so it can now be seen that mid July was always the earliest possible date that the pier would be ready, and that the anticipated end of August schedule, as always regarded as prudent locally, was the date that should have been put into any sailing schedule and not the end of May which was never compatible with any scenario.
 
WEL have now dropped one day's programme altogether and substituted a two day programme of seven and eleven hour open sea cruises to nowhere, from Pier Head when there were revenue positive alternatives on offer in either local charters in - to say the least - enclosed waters, with publicity of substantial magnitude surrounding them, or extending the Bristol Channel season where multi call cruising is a reality.
 
I understand the the Business Development Board has ceased to exist - I think it shows!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2013, 08:27:57 AM
Thanks again for the info, No. 6.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2013, 08:10:24 PM
News of the delays on the Landing Stage work has finally broken in the local Press:

Maiden voyage pushed back due to delays on Llandudno Pier work

Published date: 10 April 2013
Published by: Mike Williams



PLANS to offer pleasure cruises off Llandudno have hit trouble.

The maiden voyage of the Waverley steam ship, planned for next month, has been pushed back after delays to work allowing landings at Llandudno Pier.

A Conwy Council spokesperson did not give details as to why work has been held off but said: “Work to repair the landing stage has been delayed, but we are hoping to move the project forward as soon as possible.”

Llandudno mayor Cllr Myra Wigzell was disappointed with the delay to what she claimed would be “massive” for the town.

She said: “This is a bit of a blow.

“The cruises are going to be massive for the town, and I really hope they are running in time for the season.

“Hopefully they can get a move on with the work and get it done soon so the town can start reaping the benefits.”

The ship is reliant on a set of fenders on the pier when it comes to dock.

The fenders are due to be renovated using funds from RWE npower renewables, Conwy Council, Llandudno Town Council and Six Piers Limited.

The ship’s operator, Waverley Excursion, planned to launch the first Waverley cruise from the pier on Friday, May 31.

It would have marked the first time a steam ship has docked in Llandudno in seven years.

A cruise was also planned for Sunday, June 2, running trips along the North Wales coast.

Waverley Excursions Chief Executive, Kathleen O’Neill, said: “We are thrilled that the work is going to happen and that we’ll be coming back to Llandudno.

“I’m confident it will happen, and I think we have everybody on side.

“The Council and community seem keen to get this project going.”

Tickets purchased for the originally planned trip should be renewed for the new date.

Refunds will be given if plans fall through.

Ms O’Neill added: “We’re in contact with the council now and we’ll hopefully be able to confirm a new date for the launch soon.”

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/121583/maiden-voyage-pushed-back-due-to-delays-on-llandudno-pier-work.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/121583/maiden-voyage-pushed-back-due-to-delays-on-llandudno-pier-work.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on April 23, 2013, 08:44:04 PM
Waverley Excursions have timetabled a 3 hour cruise from Llandudno Pier on Tuesday 3rd September.

This will be fitted in between the end of the paddle steamers Clyde sailings on Sunday 1st September and commencing her South coast sailings on Friday 6th September from Weymouth.

Will the pier be ready.

This shows a commitment by WEL to sailings frm Llandudno and I hope that for 2014 they can plan ahead and not leave it to the last minute planning, as this year.

Over to you Llandudno, its in your hands.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 22, 2013, 11:56:12 AM
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Planning Consultation closes on the 17th April so it is likely that planning consent will follow at an early date

Has planning consent been granted yet?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on May 27, 2013, 01:59:13 AM
Yes - formal planning consent is in place - any sign of contracts being signed yet???

Conwy - Six Piers as to agreement for works

Conwy with an approved contractor as to approved and budgeted works

Conwy / Six Piers / Contractor as to access provisions, modus operandi, cross indeminities and finally, start / finish dates???

Time will soon start to get short for the 3rd September
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on May 27, 2013, 07:56:06 AM
Most things in the Conwy area seem to get well behind schedule.  Is your 3rd September 2014 or 2015?    ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 29, 2013, 11:29:22 AM
It's good to see the ongoing work by MPMarine to replace the rotten wooden 'kerbs' that support the railings on the Pier by the big Slide. They had been in a poor condition for some time.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on May 29, 2013, 06:16:44 PM
Well - Waverley's sail by from Liverpool on Sunday is a sell out - which just proves how popular the return of regular sailings from Liverpool and on to Puffin Island, Menai and Caernarvon will be when the pier is ready for ships to actually call.

Let's just hope that September 3rd is delivered as promised
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on May 29, 2013, 07:19:04 PM
I would bet heavily against it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 30, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
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It's good to see the ongoing work by MPMarine to replace the rotten wooden 'kerbs' that support the railings on the Pier by the big Slide. They had been in a poor condition for some time.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 30, 2013, 04:03:50 PM
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Well - Waverley's sail by from Liverpool on Sunday is a sell out - which just proves how popular the return of regular sailings from Liverpool and on to Puffin Island, Menai and Caernarvon will be when the pier is ready for ships to actually call.

Let's just hope that September 3rd is delivered as promised
Just been down to the end of the Pier. No work going on and no sign of any work about to start.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 30, 2013, 04:05:51 PM
I would have been far more surprised if work was going on!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on May 30, 2013, 11:29:55 PM
Thank you -

I will restart my official lines of enquiry next week
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on June 01, 2013, 12:27:17 AM
Friday night and Waverley is still in Glasgow so will not be on the Mersey Saturday.
No posting yet on the website of the reason although at 2130 they were still taking bookings.
Situation does not look good, If anyone has tickets for sailing on Sunday check before heading towards Liverpool.
Big disappointment.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on June 04, 2013, 12:25:39 AM
She did pass by - but she was so far out that the only photos to be had were from Marine Drive. I had hopes of the St tudno shot - but look what he did to that!

http://www.shipsofcalmac.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8953 (http://www.shipsofcalmac.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8953)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: majormellons on June 04, 2013, 09:15:43 AM
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She did pass by - but she was so far out that the only photos to be had were from Marine Drive. I had hopes of the St tudno shot - but look what he did to that!

http://www.shipsofcalmac.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8953 (http://www.shipsofcalmac.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8953)

Thanks for the link, but you need to be a member to see it!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 14, 2013, 06:53:36 PM
One day perhaps.....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 15, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
I cannot see any large cruise ships, ME.

Anyway, I hope the weather hold out.  $sunny$
 
Apparently, the end of the pier is closed this evening for a wedding reception.   

$elvis$ +}}{-- :__)+ _))++

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on June 15, 2013, 05:11:49 PM
I hope Fester has an invite or he will be sneaking in. :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 16, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
Apparently it went on til 2am!      I should have stayed open, for the drunkards...  ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
At long last.....  $good$

WORK will start on the landing stage of a famed pier as the attraction's owners take over the project.
The responsibility for structural work on fenders on Llandudno pier has been passed from Conwy County Borough Council to owners Six Piers Ltd

Delays on the project were announced early in April - putting a hold on plans by Waverley Excursions to run trips from the pier in May and June.

Plans to improve the fenders on the pier started in June of 2012, with a £200,000 investment from Gwynt y Môr windfarm operators RWE npower renewables.

The original aim of planners was to have the work completed by this year's summer season, allowing ships - such as the Waverley and the Balmoral - to dock at the pier, and returning Llandudno to its status as a stop-off point on seaside excursion routes..

Simon Mason, general manager of the pier, said the company was looking to begin work within two weeks, and aimed for a completion date of September 3 - in time for the arrival of the Waverley.

He said: "It's been decided it would make financial sense for it to be handed over to Six Piers, and we're looking to have it ready by September, in time for the Waverley to come in.

"Obviously that's quite a tight time scale, but that's our aim."

He added that MP Marine, which already carries out some structural and decking work on the pier, had been chosen to work on the fenders.

Jim Jones, section head for Tourism and Community Development at Conwy, said: "Work will be carried out by Six Piers and is due to start very shortly; it’s expected to take about 10 weeks in total. The aim is to complete in early September (subject to weather conditions)"

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/124085/work-to-start-on-llandudno-pier-landing-stage.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/124085/work-to-start-on-llandudno-pier-landing-stage.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on June 27, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
Good news indeed as I still have a trip on the Waverley booked and paid for.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 05, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
I had to chuckle at this sign posted on the Landing Stage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 05, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
Written by Yoda was that?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 06, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
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Written by Yoda was that?  :laugh:

Ha ha, Yoda... amusing was that, Merddin!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 06, 2013, 07:13:59 AM
Llandudno Pier got a mention from Timothy West on Radio 4 at about 6.15 this morning.  He is President or something of the British Pier Society. :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2013, 08:50:57 AM
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Written by Yoda was that?  :laugh:


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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 06, 2013, 07:11:42 PM
We took a walk along the pier this afternoon and we were surprised to notice how narrow it is in several places near the spur by the second pier entrance caused by the ongoing replacement of wooden decking.

The pier itself was heaving with visitors, which is great to see.

However, if there was an emergency anywhere on the pier beyond that point and towards the end of the pier then it would be a major problem for everyone to exit the pier quickly as there are only those narrow exits.

One exit only !!

It would also be absolutely impossible for an emergency vehicle to squeeze through those narrow gaps no more than ten foot wide.

Why the repair work could not have been carried out during the winter months, I do not know but, hopefully, it won’t be too long before the repair work is completed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 06, 2013, 07:33:46 PM
 Thank goodness for the Wales Air Ambulance, and the Inshore Lifeboat!   $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Paulakelsall on July 06, 2013, 10:40:13 PM
Whilst browsing 'twitter' I was surprised to find Llandudno described as a "semi-deserted town in wales" but "with a sketchy pier", mind they also think everyone at the Maenan Abbey is extremely posh!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 07, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
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Whilst browsing 'twitter' I was surprised to find Llandudno described as a "semi-deserted town in wales" but "with a sketchy pier", mind they also think everyone at the Maenan Abbey is extremely posh!

Arguably, that is a fair description of Llandudno, depending on one's perspective.
Some days it is not semi-deserted, it is in fact a ghost town.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 07, 2013, 08:34:49 AM
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Some days it is not semi-deserted, it is in fact a ghost town.

Let's be grateful then for the triathlon last weekend.

Fester, now you are agreeing with me !!  :o



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Thank goodness for the Wales Air Ambulance, and the Inshore Lifeboat!   $walesflag$

There are five major buildings at the end of the pier and they are all wooden

Supposing one of them goes on fire this afternoon?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 07, 2013, 08:51:35 AM
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There are five major buildings at the end of the pier and they are all wooden
Supposing one of them goes on fire this afternoon?

Providing there were no human or animal casualties, and no seaborne Fire-fighting vessel, and the Fire Service hoses were not long enough to reach from the nearest hydrant - it would burn down and someone could probably claim on their Insurance Policy for some nice new ones! 

Let's hope it doesn't burn down.   ££$

Which makes me consider that for H & S reasons there should be Fire-fighting equipment ON the Pier - say, a hydrant every 100 yards, or metres depending on your choice of length.  After all there is a water supply along the length of it!   ;)

And surely the separate buildings should have some Fire Extinguishers?   
As they are open to the public H & S must be properly considered and complied with, and I'm sure the requirements haven't changed since I was in business.   D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on July 07, 2013, 08:59:03 AM
Plenty of exits ,jump overboard,might get wet but you;ll be safe as long as you can swim.Any one coming to town on a wet or dull day will find all areas semi-deserted,but like today it will be heaving again,so i take it they came on a bad day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 07, 2013, 09:21:44 AM
My point is there is little room now to get safely off the pier in an emergency.

As a result of all the repair work going on around the spur, in my opinion, management should have removed one or two of their existing kiosks on a temporary basis.

Let's hope and pray their gamble pays off.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 07, 2013, 10:38:52 AM
There is a full fire alarm system on the Pier, also hydrants at regular intervals along the main section of Pier and fire extinguishers in the buildings.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 07, 2013, 12:23:50 PM
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There is a full fire alarm system on the Pier, also hydrants at regular intervals along the main section of Pier and fire extinguishers in the buildings.

It's welcome to know, that rather negates the problem.   I often wonder how one would evacuate a cinema or Venue Cymru Theatre in an emergency, as the amount of Exit Door space is rather limited.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 07, 2013, 01:12:32 PM
That is a matter of opinion, Yorkie.

You try parking a wheelchair or scooter against an exit door and see what happens?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 07, 2013, 01:49:21 PM
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You try parking a wheelchair or scooter against an exit door and see what happens?


Sorry, don't understand your point.  I would imagine that, if I did as you say, I would be informed in no uncertain terms to remove it!   ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 08, 2013, 12:11:57 AM
Most businesses have fitted digital fire alarm systems within their premises which give very early warning of the outbreak of a fire. This gives you time to organise an orderly evacuation of any affected area and gets the Fire Service to the scene a lot quicker than when we had the old analogue systems. So well working on the pier (which probably doesn't have a digital system)  at this time of the year is far from ideal, very often needs must.
Just so long as we end up with a better Pier in the long run. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 08, 2013, 05:20:06 AM
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You try parking a wheelchair or scooter against an exit door and see what happens?


Sorry, don't understand your point.  I would imagine that, if I did as you say, I would be informed in no uncertain terms to remove it!   ???


Yorkie, quite rightly you accept in your own example of Venue Cymru that all exit doors should be kept free from of any obstruction then should not the same principle apply to an exit off a wooden pier?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 08, 2013, 07:09:35 AM
Quite right Bri.  But as I understand it, the restriction on the Pier is being caused by essential maintenance works, rather than a deliberate act of blocking.    I presume that in the interest of H & S they considered such matters prior to commencement.   I haven't been down there myself so am not aware of the extent of the obstruction.    :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 08, 2013, 09:45:17 PM
It's pretty tight to be fair..... but they are making a GREAT omelette, therefore they have broken a few eggs.

The renovated cast iron railings arrived today, to be fitted this week into the newly made shoulders.
It is going to look great in a matter of days.  :) :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 09, 2013, 09:09:41 AM
A section of wooden railings at the Pierhead is to be replaced by the cast iron type as part of the Landing Stage renovations, I wonder if the new ones are destined for there?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on July 09, 2013, 12:33:21 PM
We went to the pier last night for a post work/school stroll and we were absolutely astonished that on a hot, sunny evening in July, with loads of people milling about, the only place open along the entire length of the pier was the amusement arcade at the entrance.  There wasn't one kiosk open, nowhere to buy an ice cream or a drink.....just nothing.  I overhead quite a few people commenting on this, mostly tourists wondering why no one seemed to want to relieve them of their spending money.  I know the school holidays haven't started yet but surely 8th July must fall within the tourist season, even in Llandudno  ???.  On the other hand it seemed most of the pubs and bars at the top end of town were happily cashing in, there were crowds stood outside the Queen Vic, probably refugees from the wasteland that was the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on July 09, 2013, 01:57:44 PM
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We went to the pier last night for a post work/school stroll and we were absolutely astonished that on a hot, sunny evening in July, with loads of people milling about, the only place open along the entire length of the pier was the amusement arcade at the entrance.  There wasn't one kiosk open, nowhere to buy an ice cream or a drink.....just nothing.  I overhead quite a few people commenting on this, mostly tourists wondering why no one seemed to want to relieve them of their spending money.  I know the school holidays haven't started yet but surely 8th July must fall within the tourist season, even in Llandudno  ???.  On the other hand it seemed most of the pubs and bars at the top end of town were happily cashing in, there were crowds stood outside the Queen Vic, probably refugees from the wasteland that was the pier.

Some of those people with kiosks must be very lazy :-X :-X
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on July 09, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 09, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
Work is now well underway on the Landing Stage repairs:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 10, 2013, 12:35:11 AM
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We went to the pier last night for a post work/school stroll and we were absolutely astonished that on a hot, sunny evening in July, with loads of people milling about, the only place open along the entire length of the pier was the amusement arcade at the entrance.  There wasn't one kiosk open, nowhere to buy an ice cream or a drink.....just nothing.  I overhead quite a few people commenting on this, mostly tourists wondering why no one seemed to want to relieve them of their spending money.  I know the school holidays haven't started yet but surely 8th July must fall within the tourist season, even in Llandudno  ???.  On the other hand it seemed most of the pubs and bars at the top end of town were happily cashing in, there were crowds stood outside the Queen Vic, probably refugees from the wasteland that was the pier.

Yeah, thats the sort of 'complaint' I hear regularly, as I am always the last shop to be open.  But it is misguided.
But I think you summed it up Andy when you said, you went for 'a stroll'

After 4pm even, there is no money spent whatsover in any of the kiosks, although we sit til around 6pm in forlorn hope.
The Pier is a promenading pier, a nice place to go for a walk, it is not a shopping centre.
I think you will find that The Victoria Centre is a shopping centre, but strangely that too closes at 4.30pm.... why do you think that might be?   The answer... insufficient trade.

When I hear someone say to me... 'why are all these shops closed?'  I answer in one of three ways.
1, Because no one wants to buy anything.
2, Because they obviously have more sense than I have.
3, They are not all closed... I am open, what would you like to buy??    The answer is inevitably... NOTHING.

Andy, I urge you to take a shop on the pier.  During year one, you will open all the hours Gods sends in order to take advantage of this so called 'evening trade'.
By year two, you will be gone by 5pm as the boredom is soul destroying.



Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 09:20:19 AM
Were the Bar, Cafe and Ice Cream kiosks all closed too? That's madness on a warm July evening....  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 10, 2013, 09:30:14 AM
DaveR, the pier entertainment being advertised in the windows of the amusement arcade at the end of the pier is still showing 2012.  :o

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 09:43:09 AM
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DaveR, the pier entertainment being advertised in the windows of the amusement arcade at the end of the pier is still showing 2012.  :o
Oh dear.  :( Speaking of entertainment at the end of the Pier, I always wish that we could have a wider range. The River City Jazzmen are great, but they seem to be there all the time. How about a classical music quartet or similar, I'm sure they'd go down very well with the older visitors?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on July 10, 2013, 09:59:19 AM
 i agree with fester in a way ,i worked on the pier early 70s it WAS very busy in them days the kiosks were open till 9 0r 10 BUT people spent then as fester says folk stroll on there now ,we walked along last night 6 30 ish  bar/cafe could have been open at the end [not the same as a kiosk] but best of all why are the toilets locked has the money stopped off the council .oh yes we used to fix the pier in the winters ,as for the i o m boats they stopped because fuel got too dear .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
When I ran the arcade at the end of the pier in the early 90s, we'd be staying open until 10pm at least in July/August, with the main arcade at the pier entrance open until 11pm.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 10, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
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  but best of all why are the toilets locked has the money stopped off the council .

No, they still get money from the council.

In fact, they get two lots – one for the toilets at the end of the pier and another for the toilets inside the Golden Goose.

I am not convinced the council intended those pots of money to be granted to places like the pier and the Victoria Centre but more like establishments in Llandudno where toilets are normally restricted to the use by customers only.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on July 10, 2013, 10:45:06 AM
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Yeah, thats the sort of 'complaint' I hear regularly, as I am always the last shop to be open.  But it is misguided.
But I think you summed it up Andy when you said, you went for 'a stroll'

After 4pm even, there is no money spent whatsover in any of the kiosks, although we sit til around 6pm in forlorn hope.
The Pier is a promenading pier, a nice place to go for a walk, it is not a shopping centre.
I think you will find that The Victoria Centre is a shopping centre, but strangely that too closes at 4.30pm.... why do you think that might be?   The answer... insufficient trade.

When I hear someone say to me... 'why are all these shops closed?'  I answer in one of three ways.
1, Because no one wants to buy anything.
2, Because they obviously have more sense than I have.
3, They are not all closed... I am open, what would you like to buy??    The answer is inevitably... NOTHING.

Andy, I urge you to take a shop on the pier.  During year one, you will open all the hours Gods sends in order to take advantage of this so called 'evening trade'.
By year two, you will be gone by 5pm as the boredom is soul destroying.

I'm not suggesting every single kiosk should have been open but there was absolutely nothing at all happening.  The ice cream kiosk at the pier entrance looked like it had just closed (must have been about six o'clock), the kiosk selling Cornish ice cream looked like it had just closed but otherwise everywhere was completely deserted.  Given the weather and the number of people knocking about I'd have thought it would have been viable to keep the ice cream kiosk, the cafe and the deck arcade open at the very least, if only to avoid making the place look like it belonged in a ghost town.  I doubt any of the visitors there the other night will be rushing back anytime soon.

p.s. Perhaps in fairness I should point out that the toilets at the far end were open  $good$.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on July 10, 2013, 10:51:26 AM
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When I ran the arcade at the end of the pier in the early 90s, we'd be staying open until 10pm at least in July/August, with the main arcade at the pier entrance open until 11pm.

I did a tour of duty on the pier back in the 80's, including two summers in the deck arcade, and those were pretty much the opening hours then.  I worked a five and a half day week, a full day being 9am until 11pm unless there was an "empty" in the morning in which case it was an 8am start.  Those were the days! 

For the accuracy of the record though I'd like to point out that back then the Golden Goose always closed at 10:50pm, just in time for last orders at the Queen Vic (back in the bad old days when pubs had to close at 11pm). 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 10:58:16 AM
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I did a tour of duty on the pier back in the 80's, including two summers in the deck arcade, and those were pretty much the opening hours then.  I worked a five and a half day week, a full day being 9am until 11pm unless there was an "empty" in the morning in which case it was an 8am start.  Those were the days! 

For the accuracy of the record though I'd like to point out that back then the Golden Goose always closed at 10:50pm, just in time for last orders at the Queen Vic (back in the bad old days when pubs had to close at 11pm).
We moved to doing empties at 7am at some point in the 90s, was not impressed!  Finish at 11pm, by the time you'd got home, eaten etc, it was gone midnight, then a few hours sleep before starting at 9am and working through to 11pm again &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
The bottom levels of the Landing Stage are being sandblasted to remove 40 years worth of gunk today. Work is also progressing on renewing the gangway
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2013, 05:58:34 PM
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The renovated cast iron railings arrived today, to be fitted this week into the newly made shoulders.
It is going to look great in a matter of days.  :) :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 11, 2013, 12:27:45 AM
That red crane, it reminds me of something.

Oh yes!, it is the spider that dominates my house!  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 11, 2013, 07:15:31 AM
Spiders and bats have free rein around our place;  in summer they keep the midge, wasp and blowfly problem under control.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on July 11, 2013, 11:32:41 PM
i was thinking it had been put in to land the big one that usually gets away
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on July 12, 2013, 01:51:10 AM
The work starting on the berthing head is a splendid sight! - and site!

Congratulations to Jim Jones at Conwy B C and Simon at the Pier for proving that our faith the work would proceed was well founded

time to buy tickets for the 3rd September!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 12, 2013, 07:17:29 AM
I think I shall leave my purchase until nearer the time.

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I am told that Conwy CBC is at the point of issuing Invitations to Tender for the repairs needed to the pier sufficient to bring excursions ships back to Llandudno

Can anyone confirm???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 12, 2013, 09:25:10 AM
That is possibly the archetypal example of... 'missing the boat'
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 15, 2013, 08:18:24 PM
Work is continuing to replace the frame of the Landing Stage Gangway (iPhone photos):
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 16, 2013, 05:40:45 PM
I hear a bit of a problem has emerged with the Landing Stage work, something to do with a licence to carry out the work having expired. Looks like a delay to the work of a couple of weeks at very least.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on July 16, 2013, 06:33:40 PM
Red tape,Clarence and Tudno Castle come to mind,somebody in CCBC is taking the pee
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 17, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
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I hear a bit of a problem has emerged with the Landing Stage work, something to do with a licence to carry out the work having expired. Looks like a delay to the work of a couple of weeks at very least.  :(

I am hearing that the delay is much worse than that.
Completion approx TWENTY WEEKS from now.
That means the September sailing of the SS Waverley is now impossible.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on July 19, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
Fester

Can you please contact me off list with your source please.

No 6
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 19, 2013, 10:36:08 PM
No need for that No6. (although I have enabled my email, so you can contact me)

It was the MP Marine workmen themselves, who mentioned this to the Fishermen on the Pier, who in turn reported it to the Fishing Concession.

It may be a a case of Chinese whispers, I hope it is...  but it was said that the Council officials who are able to renew the authorisation are on holiday.
Perhaps the scale of the delay was exaggerated?  Once again, I hope so.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on July 19, 2013, 11:49:05 PM
This is what I have found - from the horse's mouth.

As I once fell foul of the same people I know what they are like to deal with.

As the work is beyond low water mark, it is taking place in an area owned by the Crown Estate, albeit that the structure of the pier is owned by Six Piers Ltd (Trevor Hemmings)

Apparently when Conwy were intending to do the work they obtained a licence from the Crown Estate and when they passed the responsibility and funding to Six Piers to complete the work, it came with assurance that all permits and consents were up to date and "in ticket"

MP Marine made a good start and then up comes the nice man in the grey suit and says "Excuse Me - can I see your papers please - oh dear - Those are out of date. You will need to re-apply and you must stop work now"

The result will be at least a month's delay and probably six weeks, men laid off, tourists, not least me disappointed - I had promised my grandsons that as I experienced decades ago that grandad would take them a sail to Puffin Island from Llandudno this year - what price that now?

It really makes you spit and shows everything that is wrong with this country. The works had been consented - a thinking sentient human being could have issued an extension - but we are talking of the bureaucrats bureacrat here.

You want to complain - The address is H M Queen, Buck House! or who's the other guy - err the prince of "Wales"?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 19, 2013, 11:53:48 PM
So, sadly it seems we are mired in red-tape, once again.
This benefits nobody, and inconveniences many.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 20, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
However.... what we have all failed to recognise, is that the renovation work to the decking, railings and shoulders is now complete at the junction of the old and new parts of the pier.
It looks excellent.   Progress indeed.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2013, 09:16:13 AM
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t really makes you spit and shows everything that is wrong with this country. The works had been consented - a thinking sentient human being could have issued an extension - but we are talking of the bureaucrats bureacrat here.

I couldn't agree more. I've just experienced a similar saga helping a profoundly deaf friend with DVLA.  Initially he'd been diagnosed with sleep apnoea and was required to notify DVLA. He also stopped driving. Two weeks later the clinic treating him gave him the all-clear, and a week after that DVLA notified him his license was suspended.  Because their wheels move so slowly, they didn't take his licence from him until after he was pronounced fit to drive - wonderful.  It took me six weeks to get them to reinstate it, and they apologised, but - of course - by then he'd spent a few hundred on taxi fares.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on July 23, 2013, 05:54:26 PM
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It took me six weeks to get them to reinstate it, and they apologised, but - of course - by then he'd spent a few hundred on taxi fares.

Must have fallen asleep in the back seat with the meter running.  ?{}?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 24, 2013, 11:20:31 AM
The Forum broke this story, now the local press have caught up:

Hopes dashed that pleasure cruises will return to Llandudno before end of summer
Published date: 24 July 2013 | Published by: Iwan Berry
Read more articles by Iwan Berry Email reporter

PLEASURE cruises will not be sailing from Llandudno Pier this summer after further delays to renovation work.

Marine licensing issues are threatening to halt renovation work to the fenders and landing stage on Llandudno pier and engineers have been ordered to stop work until the licenses are renewed. In April, sea tours company Waverley Excursions was forced to cancel its maiden voyage to the pier due to delays.

Responsibility for the improvements was taken over by Six Piers Ltd from Conwy Council in June, with work on the landing stage by engineers MP Marine beginning earlier this month.

But Simon Mason, general manager of the pier, warned awaiting new licenses for work could take up to a month – which could push back the planned opening date to October.

He said: “The work started about two weeks ago, and we received a visit from the Crown Estates telling us the licenses were out of date. It could take up to a month to get work re-started.”

He added: “We were told by Conwy that the licenses were in place. We were assured we when the work was taken over that a license was in place, then we discovered it’s not. This could be anywhere between a month to six weeks for a delay, and that’s only if the weather’s looking favourable, which it’s not.”

Cllr Garry Burchett, Mayor of Llandudno, said: “If this is true then I have to say I am horrified. It’s ridiculous. The last thing we want is to have to wait until next year.”

A spokesperson for Waverley Excursions said it would continue to aim for a tour date launching from the pier on September 3.

Mike Norris, for the Crown Estate, said the pier was owned entirely by Six Piers Ltd and therefore Crown Estate did not have any responsibility for licensing work on areas it did not own.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/124912/hopes-dashed-that-pleasure-cruises-will-return-to-llandudno-before-end-of-summer.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/124912/hopes-dashed-that-pleasure-cruises-will-return-to-llandudno-before-end-of-summer.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 24, 2013, 10:08:07 PM
Is anyone surprised by this?  Don't all shout at once.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 25, 2013, 02:13:32 PM
Just disappointed Fester, as another chance to cruise our beautiful coast line goes begging.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on July 25, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
Am I the only one a little confused by Mr Mason saying Crown Estates visited and then the quote from the Crown Estates says its nothing to do with them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 25, 2013, 04:20:52 PM
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Am I the only one a little confused by Mr Mason saying Crown Estates visited and then the quote from the Crown Estates says its nothing to do with them.
I thought that was a little odd. Crown Estates seemed to be saying that it was nothing to do with them?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on July 25, 2013, 05:37:56 PM
CCBC will be responsible,believe me.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on July 26, 2013, 02:03:08 AM
I'll be quite honest - as the pier structure is entirely owned by Six Piers who carry out work on it year in, year out; and no work is taking place in the sea bed beyond low water mark, I did wonder what interest Crown Estates have.

This adds to the confusion as when the pier was built, they may have taken rights to carry out maintenance as part and parcel of the title.

The area of the landing stage is relatively new - 1967 - so the legal title there will be relatively recent, and readable.

Time for a clear Yeah or Nay from Crown Estates
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 27, 2013, 08:31:44 AM
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I'll be quite honest - as the pier structure is entirely owned by Six Piers who carry out work on it year in, year out; and no work is taking place in the sea bed beyond low water mark, I did wonder what interest Crown Estates have.

This adds to the confusion as when the pier was built, they may have taken rights to carry out maintenance as part and parcel of the title.

The area of the landing stage is relatively new - 1967 - so the legal title there will be relatively recent, and readable.

Time for a clear Yeah or Nay from Crown Estates
All is revealed in the attached document:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 28, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
On Page 5 of the Schedule of restrictive covenants continued it states :-

"And also will, at all times keep the premises in a good and proper state of repair, and in proper condition, free from all defects
injurious to navigation or the adjacent lands or the public interest."

Am I wrong? or does that imply the Pier Company was responsible in Law for keeping the landing stage in a condition fit for purpose and that no Public Body held them to account?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 28, 2013, 12:52:31 AM
This is one of two threads entitled Llandudno Pier.    Confused?  I am!  (although it doesn't take much to confuse me)  :-X
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 28, 2013, 08:01:59 AM
This is for current news and affairs on the Pier.... The other is for old affairs  Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 28, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
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This is for current news and affairs on the Pier.... The other is for old affairs  Z**

I put it on this thread Ian because that's where Dave R had put the Deeds link for the Pier. Am I wrong for commenting on what is current in this thread?  ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on July 28, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
I think a restrictive covenant is not the law of the land.  It is something which is enforceable by only the grantor/beneficiary or their successors.  Anyone know who the successors are in this instance ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 28, 2013, 07:32:40 PM
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This is for current news and affairs on the Pier.... The other is for old affairs  Z**

Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying Ian.   :-[ :-[

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on July 29, 2013, 01:12:50 AM
The beneficiary of those covenants is the Crown as it is the Crown that imposed them.

The responsibility to enforce them is also the Crown's
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 29, 2013, 07:20:02 AM
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I put it on this thread Ian because that's where Dave R had put the Deeds link for the Pier. Am I wrong for commenting on what is current in this thread?

Er...my posting in response to yours has gone missing.  Odd. Anyway, 'not at all', was the original response; my first post was very much TIC, anyway :-)))))))
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 29, 2013, 07:42:55 AM
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I'll be quite honest - as the pier structure is entirely owned by Six Piers who carry out work on it year in, year out; and no work is taking place in the sea bed beyond low water mark, I did wonder what interest Crown Estates have.

This adds to the confusion as when the pier was built, they may have taken rights to carry out maintenance as part and parcel of the title.

The area of the landing stage is relatively new - 1967 - so the legal title there will be relatively recent, and readable.

Time for a clear Yeah or Nay from Crown Estates
All is revealed in the attached document:


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On Page 5 of the Schedule of restrictive covenants continued it states :-

"And also will, at all times keep the premises in a good and proper state of repair, and in proper condition, free from all defects injurious to navigation or the adjacent lands or the public interest."

Am I wrong? or does that imply the Pier Company was responsible in Law for keeping the landing stage in a condition fit for purpose and that no Public Body held them to account?


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I think a restrictive covenant is not the law of the land.  It is something which is enforceable by only the grantor/beneficiary or their successors.  Anyone know who the successors are in this instance ?


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The beneficiary of those covenants is the Crown as it is the Crown that imposed them.

The responsibility to enforce them is also the Crown's


To be continued?

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 29, 2013, 10:32:18 AM
I am awaiting with baited breath for the next exciting episode.  The subject has captivated my every waking hour, and the revelation in the final days will no doubt create wild and euphoric jubilation in the whole County.  I can't wait. . . . . . . !    ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 29, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
In that case, Yorkie, the next episode may be your specialist subject.  ;)



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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 29, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
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In that case, Yorkie, the next episode may be your specialist subject.  ;)


What would you like me to ask?   :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Llechwedd on July 30, 2013, 09:53:27 AM
I always worry when I attempt to walk down the pier as I did on Sunday.  There is an area from the entrance to where the wooden planking starts which is absolutely crammed and people are funneled in to a very small space as they attempt to negotiate the tat.  There seem to be more huts this year or is it my imagination?
What does bother me if there was - gods forbid - an emergency and people attempted to flee back on to the prom.  they would not be able.  How Health and Safety has ignored this problem I don't know.
I think it was Yorkie who suggested clearing the old Pavillion site and putting a market there.  Maybe it would be better to put all the childrens' rides there and have a little self contained fair ground with those new huts also then the main thoroughfare would be wider and safer.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 30, 2013, 10:22:48 AM
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I think it was Yorkie who suggested clearing the old Pavillion site and putting a market there.

Not Guilty Mi'Lud.   :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DVT on July 30, 2013, 01:16:22 PM
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I always worry when I attempt to walk down the pier as I did on Sunday.  There is an area from the entrance to where the wooden planking starts which is absolutely crammed and people are funneled in to a very small space as they attempt to negotiate the tat.  There seem to be more huts this year or is it my imagination?
What does bother me if there was - gods forbid - an emergency and people attempted to flee back on to the prom.  they would not be able.  How Health and Safety has ignored this problem I don't know.
I think it was Yorkie who suggested clearing the old Pavillion site and putting a market there.  Maybe it would be better to put all the childrens' rides there and have a little self contained fair ground with those new huts also then the main thoroughfare would be wider and safer.
I was there Sunday afternoon as well, went for a walk to the end with wife and mother-in-law.  We went onto the pier at the Happy Valley entrance but came back through the "funfair" ... thought I was in Rhyl in the old days, all that seemed to be missing was someone shouting out bingo numbers.  Spoils the pier and Llandudno, IMHO.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 30, 2013, 02:43:29 PM
I wish CCBC would join our forum and save me posting:

30/07/13 - Llandudno Pier

The Council is working closely with Six Piers Ltd to monitor and request regular progress reports.

The engineers have confirmed that work to build the new landing stage at the end of Llandudno pier is ongoing both on and off the site.

Timber and steelwork sections have been procured, fabrication details have been produced and work will start on them soon.  Load testing has taken place on site, the timber deck to the second jetty access walkway is being changed, and safety equipment has been installed on the main structure for access.

However, the Marine Licence will need to be renewed; this is simply because the existing one has now expired.

Cllr Graham Rees said, "We hope the application process doesn't delay the project unduly, it's taken a while and a lot of hard work to get to this point but it will be worth it.  We know there's interest from cruise businesses wanting to come to Llandudno but itineraries are normally planned by the companies a few years in advance.

The project would not be possible without the support of funding partners: Gwynt y Môr Tourism Fund, Conwy County Borough Council, Llandudno Town Council and Six Piers Ltd.

The National Piers Society website states:

Official: Llandudno pier’s landing stage to be restored

Hard on the heels of the Society’s AGM visit to LLANDUDNO pier in May came the welcome news that funding has been found to restore its landing stage, which had been closed in 2006. A £200,000 grant from energy company RWE NPower Renewables, who operate an offshore wind farm, has kick-started the renovation programme. The Gwynt y Mor Tourism Fund is also contributing towards the project, along with Conwy County Council. Blackpool based company Six Piers Ltd., who own the pier, were unable to afford the reinstatement cost. Pier manager Simon Mason commented: “This is hugely exciting, especially as we had almost given up hope of being able to get the work done.” It is hoped to begin a regular steamer service between Llandudno and Liverpool, operated by p.s. Waverley and other vessels, as well as welcoming cruise ships. Work has already begun and could be completed by the end of October.

Could be completed and End of October in the same sentence may be a concern to some.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 30, 2013, 11:45:24 PM
Bri, DVT, Lechwedd....... would you like some cheese with your whine?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 31, 2013, 07:38:41 PM
Well I will just have to get a refund for this years Trip and book early for next year instead.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 04, 2013, 10:43:14 AM
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Timber and steelwork sections have been procured, fabrication details have been produced and work will start on them soon.  Load testing has taken place on site, the timber deck to the second jetty access walkway is being changed, and safety equipment has been installed on the main structure for access
I noticed myself that the timber decking to the walkway between Stages 1 & 2 had been replaced last week; this seemed a little at odds with the planning permission as it stated that the walkway was to be removed and replaced by a gate/staircase to the side of the cafe:

6. A new opening will be created adjacent to the smaller arcade pavilion to the east of the pier
head. This opening will be created by carefully removing a panel of the historic pier railing
which will be re-positioned adjacent to the main access point down to landing stage 1. The
panel will be replaced with a gate. The gate and apertures to either side of the gate will
have a cast iron criss-cross pattern which is shown for the bridge railings detailing. A new
timber handrail and bottom rail will be placed at the top and base of the gate and will match
that of the existing historic handrail and base of the historic railings.

7. New access stairs will run from the new access point down to the existing link walkway to
landing stage 2. The new staircase will drop from the new access point down by 1.6 metres
to the walkway and will have a tubular steel handrail and 6 steps leading down.
Thestaircase will have a width of 0.5 metres and will have a length of 2 metres.
The remainder of the link walkway between landing stage 1 and 2 will be removed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 04, 2013, 05:49:18 PM
Here is a vision of what things may look like one day from the Imperial Hotel.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on August 04, 2013, 07:48:29 PM
Dreamer
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 04, 2013, 08:19:38 PM
I knew you would love it, wrex.

Did you notice all the sand outside the Imperial Hotel?

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on August 05, 2013, 10:36:30 AM
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I was there Sunday afternoon as well, went for a walk to the end with wife and mother-in-law.  We went onto the pier at the Happy Valley entrance but came back through the "funfair" ... thought I was in Rhyl in the old days, all that seemed to be missing was someone shouting out bingo numbers.  Spoils the pier and Llandudno, IMHO.

When I worked on the pier about 30 years ago there was a "bingo hall" in the Golden Goose as it was then, complete with someone shouting out the numbers.  I can't remember the blokes name when I was there but I do remember he made a sharp exit after being caught out having relations with the very young daughter of a very large gentleman  :o.  The funfair was also there, it was called Professor Peabody's back then.  I remember one year we were given scratch cards to hand out to customers in the arcades which had various prizes including half price admission to Peabody's as well as free cups of tea in the cafe and free halfs in the bar.  If you held the cards up to the light you could see what the prize was so we sorted them out and made sure anyone who had a kid with them won the half price admission to Peabody's (and anyone with a red nose won a free half in the bar!).

I do agree that the position of the funfair isn't ideal but it has been there for decades so this isn't a new problem by any means.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 05, 2013, 11:08:56 AM
 :o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 05, 2013, 12:13:44 PM
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:o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Indeed I did, and good fun it was too. However, I never made any 'sharp exits', except when it was time to go home.  :laugh:

I think I very vaguely recall the scandal that Andy refers to, cant remember the guy's name though.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on August 05, 2013, 02:29:58 PM
I can't remember the bingo callers name (I don't think it was Dave but I can't be sure) but I do remember the father and daughter, not least because the father had been Akela when I was in the cubs.  I still see him from time to time bombing around Colwyn Bay on his mobility scooter.  Next time I see him I might ask him if he can remember the lads name.


Or maybe not as those mobility scooters move faster than I can run  :'(.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on August 06, 2013, 05:43:22 PM
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:o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Indeed I did, and good fun it was too. However, I never made any 'sharp exits', except when it was time to go home.  :laugh:

I think I very vaguely recall the scandal that Andy refers to, cant remember the guy's name though.

Do you remember the girls name?  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 06, 2013, 07:17:33 PM
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:o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Indeed I did, and good fun it was too. However, I never made any 'sharp exits', except when it was time to go home.  :laugh:

I think I very vaguely recall the scandal that Andy refers to, cant remember the guy's name though.

Do you remember the girls name?  ;D
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on August 07, 2013, 07:59:17 PM
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:o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Indeed I did, and good fun it was too. However, I never made any 'sharp exits', except when it was time to go home.  :laugh:

I think I very vaguely recall the scandal that Andy refers to, cant remember the guy's name though.

Do you remember the girls name?  ;D

I remember the girl's name, but won't be revealing it to protect the guilty :P.  I have a very vague recollection that the bingo caller was called Wayne but it's so long ago my recollection might be entirely unreliable.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 07, 2013, 09:11:49 PM
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:o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Indeed I did, and good fun it was too. However, I never made any 'sharp exits', except when it was time to go home.  :laugh:

I think I very vaguely recall the scandal that Andy refers to, cant remember the guy's name though.

Do you remember the girls name?  ;D

I remember the girl's name, but won't be revealing it to protect the guilty :P.  I have a very vague recollection that the bingo caller was called Wayne but it's so long ago my recollection might be entirely unreliable.
That's the guy! Bit of a drip, as I recall. Did the girl's name begin with an L?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on August 08, 2013, 12:43:52 AM
Lolita?  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on August 08, 2013, 08:59:07 AM
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:o :o :o   Dave??   Didn't you call the Bingo numbers on the pier at one time???    :o :o
Indeed I did, and good fun it was too. However, I never made any 'sharp exits', except when it was time to go home.  :laugh:

I think I very vaguely recall the scandal that Andy refers to, cant remember the guy's name though.

Do you remember the girls name?  ;D

I remember the girl's name, but won't be revealing it to protect the guilty :P.  I have a very vague recollection that the bingo caller was called Wayne but it's so long ago my recollection might be entirely unreliable.
That's the guy! Bit of a drip, as I recall. Did the girl's name begin with an L?

It might have started with an L  ;).
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 08, 2013, 09:24:26 AM
It's all coming back to me now, I was working on the Bingo then too. Remember her hanging around, she was a nice girl. Thought she was from Glan Conwy though? You've got a great memory, Andy!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: FatAndy on August 10, 2013, 06:30:33 PM
She was from Glan Conwy which is how I knew who she was.  I think she must have been about three years younger than me but in a village like GC you tend to know everyone within four of five years either side of your own year in school.  Before anyone starts heading out to the valley her family out decades ago.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 21, 2013, 06:41:26 PM
Work on the Landing Stage is now well underway again, the old wooden Fenders are currently being dismantled ready for replacement (see photo).

On another note, I was amazed to see that the Bar, Cafe & Arcade at the Pierhead all shut at 6pm tonight, even though it is the peak trading week of the year and there were plenty of people about.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on August 22, 2013, 12:03:46 PM
I think its been said before,they will not pay the overtime
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 24, 2013, 10:21:03 PM
MP Marine have now removed all of the old fenders from the Landing Stage. Although they are working at full speed, I understand they are unlikely to meet the proposed sailing date of 3rd September for the Waverley.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 24, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
The work to strip the old fenders and buffers is easy in comparison to the constructive work needed to replace them.

The workers have been told to get the job done before Sept 3rd, however they think that is hilarious. Another 6 weeks is the absolute best they can complete in, even if they work flat-out.
The replacement fenders are being made but will not even leave MP Marine depot in Cumbria before 3rd Sept.

I am telling you now that the chances of The Waverley docking at Llandudno Pier as scheduled is ZERO.  It will not happen.
This is from those on site, and the Pier management too.
In fact it is rather cynical of the Waverley Company to have not yet refunded those passengers who have paid for tickets.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on August 25, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
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In fact it is rather cynical of the Waverley Company to have not yet refunded those passengers who have paid for tickets.

Like most companies they will try and hold on to the money for as long as possible, that's just the way of the world, but to be fair, I have had a refund of the difference because the 3rd of September cruise was less expensive than the one I originally booked.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 25, 2013, 02:01:46 PM
MP Marine are working through the Bank Holiday weekend but, as Fester says, it's impossible to meet the deadline of Sept 3rd sadly.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cordyline on August 25, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
Last year

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 26, 2013, 12:15:16 AM
The funny thing is, you can see the old fenders and buffers stacked up in the car park by the tackle shop, but they seem to be in EXTREMELY GOOD CONDITION.

So, they needed to be removed and replaced before any boat can dock?  To my mind they look fine... but are now chopped up ready for land fill.

Nothing wrong with those timbers or rubbers.  ?{}?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on August 26, 2013, 07:51:58 AM
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Nothing wrong with those timbers or rubbers.  ?{}?

Can't be too careful with the state of your rubbers, accidents happen all too easily!   ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2013, 08:54:33 AM
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The funny thing is, you can see the old fenders and buffers stacked up in the car park by the tackle shop, but they seem to be in EXTREMELY GOOD CONDITION.

So, they needed to be removed and replaced before any boat can dock?  To my mind they look fine... but are now chopped up ready for land fill.
Funnily enough, I thought the same when I first looked at them, but if you look more closely, some of the wood is quite rotten in places and I think the frame itself was damaged as I recall chains hanging down from the Landing stage that weren't attached to anything. Amazing how well some of the wood has survived though, given its been buffeted by 44 years of storms.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 26, 2013, 08:59:23 AM
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The funny thing is, you can see the old fenders and buffers stacked up in the car park by the tackle shop, but they seem to be in EXTREMELY GOOD CONDITION.

So, they needed to be removed and replaced before any boat can dock?  To my mind they look fine... but are now chopped up ready for land fill.

Nothing wrong with those timbers or rubbers.  ?{}?


Are you sure, Fester, because the 'Conclusions' of Consulting Engineers' report were:


Conclusions

7.1 The fendering framework was of a substantial framework and comprised hardwood vertical baulks.

7.2 Most of the timbers and fittings of the framework have been lost.

7.3 The timbers that remain show sign of decay and splitting due to overstressing of bolted connections.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on August 26, 2013, 09:59:25 AM
Piers at risk, BBC article.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23838775 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23838775)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 26, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
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7.3 The timbers that remain show sign of decay and splitting due to overstressing of bolted connections.

There's a hole in your Bulwark,
Dear Fester, Dear Fester,
There's a hole in your Bulwark,
Dear Fester - a hole.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Tosh on August 26, 2013, 03:13:05 PM
With what shall he fix it dear Ian dear Ian?

I think with Yorkshire Grit.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2013, 06:46:14 PM
There's a report out that suggests seaside piers should be in the hands of co-operatives or public ownership rather than private owners.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/26/seaside-piers-neglect-community (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/26/seaside-piers-neglect-community)

Personally, I think its rubbish. The most successful piers in Britain are all in private ownership, Brighton and Weston Super Mare Grand, to name but two. What it is fair to say is that a private owner need to be committed and well capitalised in order to be successful. Hopeful dreamers will get nowhere (see Colwyn Bay). I find local authority owned piers rather sterile and uninteresting (Bangor & Beaumaris), they need the spark of private ownership to bring them alive, just as the original builders intended.

The full report is here:
http://www.uk.coop/sites/storage/public/downloads/peoples_piers.pdf (http://www.uk.coop/sites/storage/public/downloads/peoples_piers.pdf)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on August 27, 2013, 07:39:17 AM
Some lovely photos of piers here but how can they have forgotten about Llandudno?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/10266257/Britains-best-piers.html?frame=2653402 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/10266257/Britains-best-piers.html?frame=2653402)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 27, 2013, 08:08:26 AM
 A terrible omission. &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on August 27, 2013, 06:37:11 PM
Dear Supporter

 

September 3: Sailing from Llandudno by Paddle Steamer Waverley

 

Thank you for booking a trip aboard Waverley. 

 

We were very much looking forward to our visit to Llandudno and to welcoming you aboard, but we have been informed by Conwy Council that repairs to the Pier will not be completed in time for Waverley to call.

 

We understand that this will be a disappointment especially as the works were originally scheduled to have been completed in May.

 

The contract for the pier works was awarded in June but then it was discovered that the licence to undertake the works had expired whilst contract negotiations were taking place.  In an attempt to minimise the delay, the contractor arranged to have preparatory works done off site whilst they awaited the renewal of the licence, however this did not save enough time to complete the works for September 3.

 

We have been working closely with the Harbourmaster in an attempt to source boats so that we could run a tender operation to ferry passengers out to Waverley but none of the local boat owners are able to undertake this. We have also looked at transferring passengers to another port by coach but this is not a viable option either.

 

The good news is that works have started on the Pier and are expected to be completed soon and we hope to be able to welcome you aboard Waverley when she visits Llandudno next year.

 

We can only apologise for any inconvenience this has caused and a refund of your tickets is being processed and you will receive an email confirming this shortly.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Kathleen O’Neill

Chief Executive
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mikethewatch on August 27, 2013, 09:44:54 PM
The words P*SS UP and BREWERY come to mind!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on August 28, 2013, 08:12:42 AM
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The words P*SS UP and BREWERY come to mind!

Have you ever tried organising a Pee up in a Brewery?   Believe me, it is extremely difficult, in fact nigh impossible!   
Or some people will tell you that!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 28, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
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The work to strip the old fenders and buffers is easy in comparison to the constructive work needed to replace them.

The workers have been told to get the job done before Sept 3rd, however they think that is hilarious. Another 6 weeks is the absolute best they can complete in, even if they work flat-out.
The replacement fenders are being made but will not even leave MP Marine depot in Cumbria before 3rd Sept.

I am telling you now that the chances of The Waverley docking at Llandudno Pier as scheduled is ZERO.  It will not happen.
This is from those on site, and the Pier management too.
In fact it is rather cynical of the Waverley Company to have not yet refunded those passengers who have paid for tickets.

Fest knew best.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on September 09, 2013, 09:43:48 AM
The new rubber shock absorbers have been fitted to the Landing Stage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 09, 2013, 12:02:41 PM
In that fixed position, I wonder will those shock absorbers be just as effective at high tide as they would be at low tide?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on September 09, 2013, 05:06:26 PM
Having spent many years sailing I suspect that the 'shock absorbers' will function at any level, since most tend to be either old rubber tyres or newly created air-filed rubber balloon-type structures.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2013, 05:17:11 PM
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In that fixed position, I wonder will those shock absorbers be just as effective at high tide as they would be at low tide?

Especially with two huge paddles jutting out on the port & starboard sides.

Note the M.U.F.C. funnel Bri.  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 09, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
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Especially with two huge paddles jutting out on the port & starboard sides.

I am no marine engineer but isn’t there a danger those rubber shock absorbers will be too high in the event of the Waverley berthing at low tide?

P.S. - I agree,Trojan. Good taste there with the choice of colours.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on September 09, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
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I am no marine engineer but isn’t there a danger those rubber shock absorbers will be too high in the event of the Waverley berthing at low tide?

 ?{}?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on September 12, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
You will notice that there are plenty of those hollow rubberised cylinders left

Another row, or rows will be added mounted on the pier supports.

A greenheart timber frame will then be mounted against the cylinders, but supported from the berthing head stucture itself, so that when a ship berths it "leans" on the frame and the rubber cylinders take the shock of the impact and movement of the ship whilst moored.

Won't it be more fitting if the Balmoral can be the ship to re-open the pier. She has been Llandudno's steamer since 1986, albeit no stranger before then.

To do this - she needs help too - so if there's any money left in the Gwynt Y Mor fund - send it this way please

http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/ (http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/)

I'll guarantee that for every pound in fares the Balmoral picks up at Llandudno the twon will get five on hotel, food, souvenir and other spending!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on September 12, 2013, 01:24:22 AM
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Won't it be more fitting if the Balmoral can be the ship to re-open the pier.

I would have liked to have seen The Manxman perform that honour, but there's not much chance of that.  :'(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on September 12, 2013, 11:55:57 AM
The trips over to the I of M were a great delight ( just so long as the weather was set fair )
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Trojan on September 13, 2013, 04:35:30 AM
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The trips over to the I of M were a great delight ( just so long as the weather was set fair )

I remember coming back on King Orry in a force-8.  :puke2:

My Dad took me midships as it eliminated some of the roll and list of the ship at that point.

Didn"t do much for me though.  :puke2:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on September 26, 2013, 04:23:17 PM
The new Fenders have arrived and are being installed on the Landing Stage:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SDQ on September 26, 2013, 08:49:49 PM
Here's my new Fender.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on September 27, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
 :o _))* Like it !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on September 27, 2013, 11:56:02 PM
All we need now is a ship - and the ship needs you :-

http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/index.html (http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/index.html)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 06, 2013, 02:33:40 PM
The fine weather is enabling good progress to be made with the Landing Stage repairs:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 19, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Contractors have fitted the Fenders and are now constructing the steps to the lower Landing Stages:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: andyCYD on October 20, 2013, 05:53:16 PM
Some of the wood being removed from the pier yesterday. Serious amounts of rot on some of the pieces and interesting creatures.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Linda on October 20, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
They should have tried to put the rotten bits back into the water as those creatures are known as sea squirts , a lovely red colour when submerged. We found some of these strange creatures near the little Orme at low tide under the cliffs.We should try when possible to conserve our sea life. We tell children to replace rocks in pools on the beach what sort of example is it to let things die  &shake& like that.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2013, 07:35:29 PM
During my recent visit to Blackpool, I was interested to see how their piers compared with our own. Whilst Central & South Piers appeared a little run down in places, it was North Pier that was most concerning with a real backlog of maintenance work outstanding:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on October 31, 2013, 07:32:57 AM
How were the illuminations DaveR,that reminds me we will soon be having our fantastic xmas illuminations to see.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 01, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
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How were the illuminations DaveR,that reminds me we will soon be having our fantastic xmas illuminations to see.
They were very impressive, the Tower was particularly good as it changed colour constanty. I noticed that Blackpool businesses sponsored the various sections along the Prom.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 13, 2013, 04:15:01 PM
Good to see more decking being renewed by the side entrance to the Pier:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 18, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
We took a walk down to the end of the pier on Saturday afternoon and it seemed the refurbishment work on the landing stage is now complete.

The anglers were also back on there in force

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 19, 2013, 09:19:19 AM
I believe a decision will shortly be taken to decide whether the Pier will shortly be closing for the Winter completely, with the exception of the arcade at the entrance. That bracing winter stroll along the Pier may sadly be a thing of the past.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 19, 2013, 09:32:02 AM
It started closing midweek once again a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Linda on November 19, 2013, 01:19:35 PM
Is it a safety issue? Its sad if they do that as we do get some calm days in winter and i have enjoyed a walk on there, but what about all the visitors drawn to llandudno for breaks etc. in the winter.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on November 19, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
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I believe a decision will shortly be taken to decide whether the Pier will shortly be closing for the Winter completely, with the exception of the arcade at the entrance. That bracing winter stroll along the Pier may sadly be a thing of the past.  :(

I hope not-- It is lovely on a cold winter's day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 19, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
I suppose if all the kiosks are shut then the Pier Management must think what is the point?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on November 20, 2013, 12:50:28 AM
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I suppose if all the kiosks are shut then the Pier Management must think what is the point?

That is absolutely correct Bri.  To a point that is fair enough too.

With the Pier being privately owned, they are at liberty to do that.
Contractually, the kiosk owners have no entitlement to open in December and January, and I have learned that it is entirely futile to do so.

The manager has told me that on some occasions, when the weather is rather nice, he will open the pier in Jan and Dec.
However, he reserves the right to decide that on the day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 20, 2013, 08:34:26 AM
He should try opening the café at the end of the pier seven days a week.

Last Saturday, when the pier was quite busy, the café was shut and the bar was open but empty .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2013, 09:17:49 AM
He should also try serving a decent cup of coffee in there, instead of a cardboard cup of machine produced instant coffee with a wooden stirrer. I'd rather walk back into town and go to a cafe than drink that rubbish. Why can't the staff produce proper coffee in proper cups with a selection of cakes and hot snacks?

By contrast, I went to the Victorian Tea Rooms on North Pier, Blackpool the other week and it was great, in a space no larger than the Pierhead cafe in Llandudno.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on November 20, 2013, 11:20:06 PM
with you all the way on that Dave, a walk along the pier on a cold and frosty morning to sit down and have a hot mug of coffey, could make the walk all that more pleasant and would surely attract more punters than having to drink out of cardboard cups.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 21, 2013, 08:18:55 AM
Excellent idea except all the seating down that end of the pier has already been put away into storage.

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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on November 21, 2013, 05:03:13 PM
 I have sympathy for the Pier management. It is incredibly difficult to manage an attraction that depends on the weather for success and they are damned if they open and damned if they close. Open up, weathers bad, all wasted costs. Remain shut and you can bet the rain will stop and a trickle of customers will turn up, all swearing that they will never come again because it's always shut
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on November 21, 2013, 07:00:38 PM
i worked on the pier in the early 70s ,it was never open in winter ,mind you we used to have the decking up in places ,walking down there now it is going to need loads doing soon
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 12, 2013, 06:43:20 PM
Maritime museum could come to Llandudno

Published date: 04 December 2013 |
Published by: Mike Williams

A MARITIME museum could open in Llandudno next year.

The Ships’ Timbers Maritime Museum project could open its doors on Llandudno Pier by the end of 2014 if organisers manage to raise the £10,000 needed to establish the museum.

A planning application is being drafted which would make use of empty kiosks on the pier.

Organiser Debbie Wareham said: “Llandudno and the surrounding area has a rich maritime heritage. It will put us right at the heart of our local maritime heritage.

“There is no maritime museum along the coast, yet we have this rich history. We need to remember it.

“Our aim is to establish and maintain a sustainable maritime museum for the benefit of the public, to share and engage with that aspect of our local heritage.”

The museum will include displays on Llandudno lifeboat,coastguard, early shipwrecks near the Great Orme and Llandudno pier.

It will also be used to conduct and share results of research on the life and environment of the North Wales coast and further research into maritime heritage in the area.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/128854/maritime-museum-could-come-to-llandudno.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/128854/maritime-museum-could-come-to-llandudno.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 23, 2014, 09:33:43 AM
I just looked on the Llandudno Pier website and noticed on the Events page:

"DETAILS OF THE 2013 EVENTS WILL APPEAR HERE SOON ....."

 :laugh:

http://www.llandudnopier.com/page/81/Events.htm (http://www.llandudnopier.com/page/81/Events.htm)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 23, 2014, 09:43:24 AM
Is there a time machine in one of the kiosks?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2014, 09:56:06 AM
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Is there a time machine in one of the kiosks?  :laugh:

Don't think so, but there is plenty of soft soap in one particular kiosk!    :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 13, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
Llandudno's landing stage to be re-opened this month

Published date: 12 August 2014 |
Published by: Dean Jones



A CEREMONY re-opening Llandudno’s landing stage will take place this month.

The event will be held at the town’s pier on Tuesday, August 26, at 1pm, and it will feature a visit from the world’s last sea-going paddle steamer, Waverley, which will pick up 700 passengers for a cruise to Puffin Island and Red Wharf Bay.

Jim Jones, section head of Tourism and Communities at Conwy County Borough Council, said, “This is a landmark moment for Llandudno as our pier has been at the heart of life in the town for generations.

“We want to make sure Conwy is as accessible as it can be, and with the recent refurbishment of the train station along with the landing stage, we are in a better position than ever before.”

The re-opening of the landing stage is set to boost tourism trade in a town that already sees more than eight million visitors each year, and it has cost around £300,000 to renovate.

Two thirds of the cost has been donated by the Gwynt y Môr Offshore Wind Farm Tourism Fund, who have set aside £690,000 to boost tourism in the area as part of their ongoing partnership with Conwy and Denbighshire County Councils.

Toby Edmonds, director at RWE Innogy UK’s Gwynt y Môr Project, said: “We’re delighted the Tourism Fund has been able to support such a fabulous project, which will prove a fantastic draw for tourists and help boost Conwy’s economy.

“It will be great to see the first passengers step off the Waverley at Llandudno and explore the area including other activities supported by the Gwynt y Môr Tourism Fund such as the Green Links Project.”

Waverley will return to the pier four times over a two day period, sailing to and from Liverpool, while also offering trips along the North Wales coast.

http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/136767/llandudno-s-landing-stage-to-be-re-opened-this-month.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/136767/llandudno-s-landing-stage-to-be-re-opened-this-month.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: craigollerton on August 13, 2014, 02:37:29 PM
As a matter of interest, what is the projected life-span of the landing stage. Has anyone seen a build report of any kind?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on August 13, 2014, 08:31:14 PM
   I reckon we should have three cheers for the wind farm. Never mind all those alarmist statements from a few local vocal mouths, do they still seriously say that the sight of this farm will put off visitors? More likely there will be a small but significant arrival of visitors who have come because THEY WANT TO SEE the wind farm. Yes, probably only a few with specialised interests, but don't forget it is the second largest off shore wind farm in the world. So any one connected with or interested in this industry are likely to take a look. And there are a good few thousand of them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 15, 2014, 12:15:51 AM
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   I reckon we should have three cheers for the wind farm. Never mind all those alarmist statements from a few local vocal mouths, do they still seriously say that the sight of this farm will put off visitors? More likely there will be a small but significant arrival of visitors who have come because THEY WANT TO SEE the wind farm. Yes, probably only a few with specialised interests, but don't forget it is the second largest off shore wind farm in the world. So any one connected with or interested in this industry are likely to take a look. And there are a good few thousand of them.

I have heard several people say that the windfarm is an eyesore, and has 'ruined' what used to be their beloved view of the bay.   I am talking several people, not hundreds by any means.

However, I have NEVER heard ANYONE say they like the view of the turbines, much less that they have actually come to see it!

Make of that what you will.




Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 15, 2014, 07:43:07 AM
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However, I have NEVER heard ANYONE say they like the view of the turbines

I have. Again, like you, I haven't talked to thousands of people but I've discussed the sight with a fair few and I think it's been equally split between those who think the sight is adding something, and those who don't.

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I have heard several people say that the windfarm is an eyesore

I'm wondering if these were spontaneous observations, in which case the old adage that people are infinitely more likely to complain about something than they are to praise it kicks in.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on August 15, 2014, 08:21:17 AM
My Wife hates them and regards them as a blot on the seascape, maybe because the old family house in Rho on Sea had a magnificent sea view from the top of the Cayley Bank.   Me, well I'm just philosophical about the whole question of wind farms, one can either take 'em or leave 'em! 

(Wot, no wind generator smiley?)    $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 15, 2014, 08:34:58 AM
Yorkie, just for you, sorry it's not a smiley!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on August 15, 2014, 06:23:27 PM
I am looking forward to the 26th. and the return of the PS. Waverley, I had a trip on her in the late 60s on the Clyde, marked by the appearance of the famous St. Mungo fire boat, who carried out a fire drill, we felt like a liner entering New York, the deck mounted hoses, spraying hundreds of feet into the air, that is until, it started spraying my friends and I,and we had to take shelter inside.                                                                             We had been set up by the two skippers.who new each other, I on the other hand only knew one of them, the one from the fire boat,......... my father..... you will be surprised to learn, came from Rhos on Sea.

The new Waverley,was built in 1946/7 to replace the original sunk at Dunkirk.    (good year 47)
It was sold in 1973 to the Paddle Steamer Pres. Soc. for £1.
693 tonne, Length   239 ft.  beam  57 ft.  and can carry 900 passengers   (figs. approx.)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on August 15, 2014, 11:21:06 PM
   Yorkie, view from the Cayley Bank?   Oh, I know, the one looking across to the Sky Tower in Rhyl. But I must admit there is only one of them, and probably wasnt built at the time you are talking about
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: white rabbit on August 16, 2014, 05:35:39 PM
I don't mind the windfarm on the coast - what I object to is windfarms in the countryside
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on August 16, 2014, 06:11:30 PM
The view from the other side, Great Orme  on the right.
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q212/Rioja_1/LiverpoolBay9415.jpg) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Rioja_1/media/LiverpoolBay9415.jpg.html)

I think I would prefer some Antony Gormley works on North Shore
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q212/Rioja_1/LiverpoolBay9417.jpg) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Rioja_1/media/LiverpoolBay9417.jpg.html)

I have always disliked the idea of the wind farm as I don't think it's an economically viable operation, interestingly neither does Centrica as far as the Rhiannon field is concerned. Scrapping the plan has left an area equal to Anglesey free of these constructions.
I'm not sure if the long term impact on wildlife hasn't been fully researched in terms of the effect on migrating birds but it might have advantages to fish stocks as it offers breeding grounds and hiding places.
You can see the gas platform from Llandudno, this is what it's like close up.
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q212/Rioja_1/LiverpoolBay9414.jpg) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Rioja_1/media/LiverpoolBay9414.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 16, 2014, 06:20:30 PM
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I have always disliked the idea of the wind farm as I don't think it's an economically viable operation

Apparently they're not. Only tidal power would be, because it's predictable, and only nuclear is guaranteed for the future.   How d'you get the close up shot?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on August 16, 2014, 06:43:06 PM
Took the shots from a boat, we were out photographing wildlife.
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q212/Rioja_1/BottlenoseDolphin9495.jpg) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Rioja_1/media/BottlenoseDolphin9495.jpg.html)
A pod of around 40 Bottle Nosed Dolphin were near the gas platform
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q212/Rioja_1/BottlenoseDolphin9374.jpg) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Rioja_1/media/BottlenoseDolphin9374.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 16, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
A fantastic article Dave,  and fabulous, thought-provoking pictures too!   $good$ $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 17, 2014, 07:28:48 AM
Excellent shots, particularly that first one.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on August 17, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Fabulous photos Dave. I wish you would put more on the forum. I love looking at them. The ones of the wind farm from that angle were very interesting even though for me somewhat horrifying.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 25, 2014, 07:37:03 PM
Oh Dear.

The Waverley Website says Tuesday's sailing now CANCELLED.... due to 'High Winds'

700 were expected to arrive from Liverpool, and another 700 were due to embark at Llandudno.
That's a lot of refunded money!

I know from personal experience that many hotels have guests who are here ONLY for that sailing.

There is a Wednesday sailing scheduled,  let's hope that happens.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on September 13, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
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The Waverley Website says Tuesday's sailing now CANCELLED.... due to 'High Winds'
BBC report...... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-28956364 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-28956364)

Ref Assets 12/9/14
Quote
"And talking of the pier,I was going to ask if there were any plans for more boat trips, seems a waste if the new landing stage isn't used, a nice business chance going there for someone, anybody know??"

I had a look at pier boat trips, Blue line cruises, came up, working the south coast, seems good, both normal and special cruises,   does seem a wasted business opportunity and an asset to the pier.
http://jurassiccoast.org/visiting-the-coast/plan-your-trip/tours-and-transport/880-blue-line-cruises (http://jurassiccoast.org/visiting-the-coast/plan-your-trip/tours-and-transport/880-blue-line-cruises)


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on September 24, 2014, 09:51:46 AM
American cruise liners could arrive in Llandudno by next year

Published date: 24 September 2014 |
Published by: Mike Williams


AMERICAN cruise ships could be heading to Llandudno as early as next year.

Tourism chiefs are in talks with US companies to add the resort to their destinations itinerary during cruise holidays with vessels making use of the pier’s new landing stage to bring passengers ashore.

Pier manager Simon Mason, who explained the moves to attract the cruise liners to the resort are being led by the Welsh Government, said: “The hope is to have them here in 2015 - if not they should certainly be here by 2016. It is going to happen because the Americans want it to happen.”

Mr Mason said the long-term scale of plans is “frustrating” but is confident the ships, packed with tourists from the East Coast of the US, will arrive now the landing stage is complete.

“It will open up a whole new world for Llandudno, because the Americans are always big on the kind of thing we have here. They come for castles, herritage and history - in Llandudno, they will come straight onto the pier in a Victorian seaside town - the mountains are just down the road and it’s all right there for them.”

The cruises would be another addition to a growing list of seaborne transport attractions set for Llandudno.

Hovercraft firm Hoverlink announced plans for a connection from Llandudno to Merseyside in May.

The Waverley paddle steamer, which carries up to 700 passengers, was also set to arrive from Liverpool in August, but failed to dock twice  due to the rough sea conditions.

But Waverley Excursions still hope to bring the vessel to Llandudno next year.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138540/american-cruise-liners-could-arrive-in-llandudno-by-next-year.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138540/american-cruise-liners-could-arrive-in-llandudno-by-next-year.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on September 24, 2014, 10:52:44 AM
American cruise liners could arrive in Llandudno by next year

I do not want to be negative, but my first thoughts were, why here, when Holyhead is already set up for these ships, (they have 16 booked for 2015)  and only a coach trip away from the tourist sites, I also understand the passengers have to be ferried ashore, and after the Waverley's docking problems.....

Waverley Excursions still hope to bring the vessel to Llandudno next year.
I hope they do come but, they cannot afford any more cancellations.

I still say there is an opportunity for a suitable permanent boat, to be working from the pier, and this should be investigated by Mr Mason.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 24, 2014, 10:57:01 AM
Liverpool is also set to take off as a cruise turnaround port.

There is a major Cunard event there next May.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on September 24, 2014, 11:33:04 AM
The benefit to the cruise line might be the saving on port docking fees but passengers would have to be tendered ashore. Personally, as a passenger I would prefer to be on the dock with freedom to come and go as I please but landing on shore whatever way in Llandudno offers more choice than Holyhead does for those who want to organise their own days out. Liverpool has plenty of attractions close at hand but for Holyhead, you need to take an organised a tour or take an expensive taxi ride. A very lucrative part of the cruise ship's income might be lost in Llandudno.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on September 24, 2014, 05:21:11 PM
A long walk from and to end of pier exposed to the weather, a lot of the passengers will be elderly and not used to roughing it.
 Also is there room for a fleet of coaches by the pier gates ?

I am sure Holyhead is a much safer option for them when they can berth alongside whatever the weather.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on September 24, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
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A long walk from and to end of pier exposed to the weather, a lot of the passengers will be elderly and not used to roughing it.
 Also is there room for a fleet of coaches by the pier gates ?
I am sure Holyhead is a much safer option for them when they can berth alongside whatever the weather.

A fleet of golf buggies ?  ?

If it does end up in Holyhead, somebody needs to get organised and have a  free shuttle coach, lined up to bring them here.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on September 24, 2014, 06:28:24 PM

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A long walk from and to end of pier exposed to the weather, a lot of the passengers will be elderly and not used to roughing it.
 Also is there room for a fleet of coaches by the pier gates ?
I am sure Holyhead is a much safer option for them when they can berth alongside whatever the weather.

Those of what is used to Cruzing, can tell of the utter chaos trying to get up to 3,000 people off a liner even at a "walk off" port.  I don't think we will see any large American or even English vessels parking at Llandudno until a deep water berth is available.  We have had this chat before!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on September 24, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
"Those of what is used to Cruzing, can tell of the utter chaos trying to get up to 3,000 people off a liner even at a "walk off" port."

Those numbers had not crossed my mind, puts a different slant on it all together.   ???

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on September 24, 2014, 06:47:45 PM
Or even just 1,000. Tours can add to the chaos.  Each coach takes 50 passengers, so with just 1000 taking tours makes 20 coaches.  A fleet of taxis standing by, plus the usual touts, police, sightseers, it doesn't take much imagination to realise the problems.

The liners are getting bigger and bigger and are virtually small floating towns.

Forgot to mention that the crew also like to take a trip ashore, so add another few hundred.

 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on September 24, 2014, 07:03:32 PM
Almost worth building a new dock..... ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on September 24, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
Maybe in Colwyn
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on September 24, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
  Wrex---Maybe Bryn the Chef might be on a winner if he lasts out for a dozen or so years
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on September 24, 2014, 10:39:10 PM
Ah, been wondering what the big trench is for between the pier and the skip... a deep water dock.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on December 04, 2014, 04:35:18 PM
An early Christmas present for Llandudno, Menai and Caernarvon???

http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/future.htm (http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/future.htm)

And I'm sure we won't be doing a fly by!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 04, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
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An early Christmas present for Llandudno, Menai and Caernarvon???

http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/future.htm (http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/future.htm)

And I'm sure we won't be doing a fly by!
Will be great to see the Balmoral back in Llandudno.   $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 04, 2014, 10:33:46 PM
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An early Christmas present for Llandudno, Menai and Caernarvon???

http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/future.htm (http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/future.htm)

And I'm sure we won't be doing a fly by!
Will be great to see the Balmoral back in Llandudno.   $good$

Despite what the website says, there has been no contact between them and Llandudno Piers owners or Manager.
This will be followed up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on December 07, 2014, 08:07:28 PM
It must be stressed that this venture is again volunteer led and charitable in nature. This is not intended in any way to be operation for dividend, although any trading activity needs to be self sustaining. The outline timetable is just that - exact days and calls are still to be finalised, but the importance of Llandudno cannot be overstated to any operation out of Liverpool and along the Straits.

Over £150,000 has been spent on the vessel during 2014 to retain her certificates to trade. A similar amount needs to be committed to underwrite a first trading season in new ownership.

It is anticipated that a transfer into Fund ownership will be concluded beofre Christmas, and then it really will be all systems go.

At that point all resources will need to be mobilised to create sufficent momentum to support her return to service.

Mr Masons phone will ring - rest assured.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on December 07, 2014, 10:02:08 PM
I think we  all wish you well  :-)))
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 07, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
Mr Mason is now aware of it, as I informed him about it... and he is very positive about it.

Obviously there are things to be ironed out such as who does the mooring, insurance policies etc, but that is the case with any sailing.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 07, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
Hopefully unlike the Waverley it is able to dock!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 08, 2014, 10:23:21 AM
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I think we  all wish you well  :-)))
Indeed! It will be great to see the Balmoral back in Llandudno.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 08, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
The Waverley has a poor record in terms of docking in recent years, one might call it woeful.

Eastbourne Pier was quite badly damaged by a docking that went wrong, not many years ago.... wasn't that The Balmoral?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 09, 2014, 06:38:48 AM
Hard to believe that anyone would book tickets for the Waverley from Llandudno given the problems of the last couple of years!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 09, 2014, 09:35:52 AM
I imagine that the fact it's a Paddle Steamer might make it more difficult than a normal ship to dock? I am no expert though!  $thanx$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 09, 2014, 09:53:04 AM
Agreed, but you would have thought that the owners / operators of a paddle steamer would have checked out the suitability of the pier for docking before offering tickets for sale? I was really looking forward to seeing it docked at the pier, but it seems that only the calmest sea would allow it!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on December 09, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
The pier is situated in a wind shadow, so most of the time the wind blowing will be from the shore.  I think previous issues related to on-shore wind, which are the dangerous ones, since they can easily blow a ship of almost any size onto the pier .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Yorkie on December 09, 2014, 02:02:43 PM
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I imagine that the fact it's a Paddle Steamer might make it more difficult than a normal ship to dock? I am no expert though!  $thanx$

Despite the age of the Vessel, it is quite probable that it has, in recent years, been fitted with Bow and Stern Thrusters to assist with docking and other complicated manoeuvres.  I would hate trying to dock purely having to rely on two paddle wheels!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 09, 2014, 05:03:17 PM
The Waverley's master stated that it was not the paddles or any other structural problem which prevented docking.

I was simply the heavy swell, which made the gangplank too unstable for people to walk across.

It was a simple matter of passenger's Health and Safety, and I have to say I personally would not have fancied a cakewalk across from an ageing steamer, to a Victorian structure!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on December 10, 2014, 10:26:13 AM
No Bow thrusters on the Waverley.
She is as built in 1947.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on December 11, 2014, 01:04:53 AM
The Waverley was fully rebuilt only a decade ago and has to pass stringent annual MCA tests to allow her to sail. The landing stage at Llandudno is fresh out of a refurb - so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on December 11, 2014, 07:07:38 AM
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The Waverley was fully rebuilt only a decade ago and has to pass stringent annual MCA tests to allow her to sail. The landing stage at Llandudno is fresh out of a refurb - so what's the problem?

Mooring any boat is a tricky operation and a pronounced swell can aggravate an already difficult situation, leaving the Captain open to legal action if anything were to happen during the boarding / disembarkation process. It's always the Captain's call to moor, and presumably he felt the risk was simply too great.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on December 12, 2014, 09:10:23 PM
He did Ian, and was right to do so, (in my opinion)

Mrs Fester was at the top of the gangplank, and was there to help less able people to cross it.... but she says it would would have been very dangerous for anyone to attempt it.

The ship's Master attempted to phone the Pier Manager to inform him that he could not dock.... but Mr Mason's phone had no signal, so far out to sea.
That just led to the confusion, as to whether it was going to dock or not, and was only known an hour or so later.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 02, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
One of the most common complaints about Llandudno Pier (on Trip Advisor) is about it being closed when people visit.

On almost every occasion, that is due to high winds, or slippery conditions...(i.e. Health and Safety)

Sometimes in the winter, it might not appear dangerous from the Prom end, but further up the Pier it would become very apparent that is is.

This week though, there is a more serious problem to contend with.  That being, the physical state of The Grand Hotel.
Shards of sharp, rusty iron... plasterwork and broken slates have been tumbling from The Grand, onto the Pier in recent times, made worse by the recent Northerly winds.
I myself narrowly avoided being hit by a piece of slate on Saturday.  (on the pier at my own risk)
On Sunday, the weather was improved, but the Pier could not open, due to the safety risk to the public.

The same is true today, and only the far end of the pier is open.... but hardy visitors must walk all the way round to the Happy Valley gates if they really want to access the pier. How many are really prepared to do that?
This situation is set to continue, possibly indefinitely, unless the management of The Grand take very action to ensure the structural integrity of their building.

Lost revenue (for me and the Pier company) is one thing, but lost lives is what we potentially could be risking if this situation is not addressed.



Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on February 02, 2015, 05:55:30 PM
If the wind goes East will it still be safe to use the road outside the Grand Hotel ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 02, 2015, 06:14:31 PM
Fester, the pier was open yesterday afternoon (Sunday)

Access was through the second entrance.



Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 02, 2015, 08:43:42 PM
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Fester, the pier was open yesterday afternoon (Sunday)

Access was through the second entrance.

It was Bri, after several fishing club members complained.... and the General Manager was determined to open it in some form.

However, that is not the point...  I am highlighting a serious health and safety issue, borne out of that eyesore, The Grand Hotel.

Out of every 100 people who want to go on to the pier,  what percentage will see the Promenade gates closed from a distance and turn away?   What percentage will decide not to make the journey all the way around to Happy Valley Road to access it?   (having to endure the dog poo and the pier pavilion eyesore on their way?)

Mull.... the answer is no, because last year, an entire window pane fell out of The Grand, and onto the pier, and that was a day with no wind.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 03, 2015, 05:06:38 PM
Glorious sunny day, if a little chilly out of the sun.

But.... Pier fully CLOSED.   
This situation will potentially go on indefinitely,  The Grand Hotel have yet to respond to any approach about the hazard it poses to the passing public.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 05, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
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Glorious sunny day, if a little chilly out of the sun.

But.... Pier fully CLOSED.   
This situation will potentially go on indefinitely,  The Grand Hotel have yet to respond to any approach about the hazard it poses to the passing public.
An outrageous situation, and one that could cause major problems for Six Piers Ltd if not resolved before Easter.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Jack on March 12, 2015, 10:42:02 AM
Llandudno Pier is up for sale at £4.5 million  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 12, 2015, 12:43:24 PM
Wow! I wonder how much it needs spending on it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on March 12, 2015, 12:44:19 PM
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Llandudno Pier is up for sale at £4.5 million  $walesflag$

And Broadway Boulevard for a pound

The boulevard is more in my price range  L0L
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 12, 2015, 12:46:28 PM
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/wales/135428-/ (http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/wales/135428-/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on March 12, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
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Llandudno Pier is up for sale at £4.5 million  $walesflag$

And Broadway Boulevard for a pound

The boulevard is more in my price range  L0L

And mine !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Jenny Jacks on March 12, 2015, 06:23:37 PM
I have today read an article from an organisation called. "insidermedia".  They have announced that, Cuerden Leisure - presumably the current pier owners - are putting Llandudno Pier, and also the Central and South piers in Blackpool, up for sale.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on March 13, 2015, 12:53:12 AM
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Llandudno Pier is up for sale at £4.5 million  $walesflag$

Now i know what to ask my bf to get me as an early bday presie  ;)

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 13, 2015, 05:22:10 PM
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Llandudno Pier is up for sale at £4.5 million  $walesflag$

And Broadway Boulevard for a pound

The boulevard is more in my price range  L0L

And mine !

And you can have the whole BHS chain for £1 as well!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 13, 2015, 05:31:45 PM
If we have a whip round, we could buy most of Llandudno between us  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 13, 2015, 06:06:40 PM
The pier looks like it would cost a fortune to maintain! buyer beware!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 14, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
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If we have a whip round, we could buy most of Llandudno between us  D)

Which is why a local consortium would be a desirable buyer, (in my opinion)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 14, 2015, 05:58:25 PM
The 3 piers for sale were on BBC Breakfast this morning. They said Llandudno pier makes a good profit, so why does it look so tatty?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2015, 06:16:07 PM
Interesting question.  Fester's idea is good, but the consortium would have to be able to get the banks to back it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 14, 2015, 11:23:24 PM
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The 3 piers for sale were on BBC Breakfast this morning. They said Llandudno pier makes a good profit, so why does it look so tatty?

Merddin, think about it...
You make some money..... you don't spend any...... you end up with a big profit!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 14, 2015, 11:56:20 PM
15 years ago, I had a client who was employed full-time as a painter with a permanent contract on the pier and he was not working there as a painter on his own.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 15, 2015, 06:36:40 AM
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The 3 piers for sale were on BBC Breakfast this morning. They said Llandudno pier makes a good profit, so why does it look so tatty?

Merddin, think about it...
You make some money..... you don't spend any...... you end up with a big profit!

Yes, very true! You wonder if it makes so  much profit why sell it? I would expect that any new owner would need to spend a fortune on it!  ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 15, 2015, 08:37:46 AM
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You wonder if it makes so  much profit why sell it?

Maybe they're worried that the Grand might simply fall over and land on it?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 15, 2015, 09:54:39 AM
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You wonder if it makes so  much profit why sell it?

Maybe they're worried that the Grand might simply fall over and land on it?

 :laugh: good point Ian!  I wonder if these three piers for sale will affect the future of Colwyn Bay pier? Will the other three piers also want money from the Heritage  lottery funding?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 15, 2015, 04:49:07 PM
They wouldn't be entitled.... privately owned businesses are disbarred.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Jack on March 15, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
Maybe the people of Colwyn Bay should buy Llandudno Pier, tow it round and replace the dilapidated one they've got - cheaper than re-building  WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
An ITV film crew on the Pier today.
They are still here as I type this.

It's that reporter who always looks scruffy, and talks with a bunged up nose.
If you don't know who I mean, tune in at 6.00pm tonight,and you'll see him.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on March 19, 2015, 07:11:09 AM
Apparentley there is a lot of interest in the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 19, 2015, 08:17:27 AM
NWWN headline is 'Investors line up for £4.5m pier.'

Fester will have a new landlord by Whit.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Micox on March 19, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
 ZXZ Used to run the bar at the end of the pier (the one one the left). Talk about dilapidation! to get to the stock in the back room (or have crafty smoke) I had to negotiate spaces left by missing boards. Good views of the heaving sea below!  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 20, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
It's probably too much to hope for, but I would like to see Mostyn Estates buy the Pier.

They are a benevolent force in the town, and I believe that the heritage and tradition of the Pier would be well preserved, as well as managed well to turn a good profit.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 02, 2015, 09:11:57 AM
Word is that the buyer of the pier could well be a local company.  ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 02, 2015, 12:10:55 PM
Well, there was an April fool article issued by The St George Hotel saying that they had bought the Pier.

It was quite convincing, until it turned silly at the end (see their website / blog)

H.B. Leisure, who operate the 2 arcades in Llandudno (Mostyn St) have sought to buy the Pier before, and have already made several site visits this time round.   The are thought to be the favourites to acquire it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dwyforite on April 02, 2015, 03:09:11 PM
mostyn estates buy the pier,170 years ago they would have stolen it, this was a time when a man who poached a couple of rabbits to feed a starving family would have been transported.as for being benevolent (kind and helpful) read Llandudno before the hotels.the mostyns have only ever looked towards their own interests and in the past changed allegiances more times than a whore changes her knickers to keep their wealth and power
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Greyhound on April 09, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Just been for a walk down the pier. Hopefully we'll find out who has/might be buying it. I have to say though, I hope whoever it is puts a moratorium on the addition of new benches. They seem to have multiplied hugely since I was last there. I wouldn't mind if they were more like the metal ones at the end on the right hand side, but these heavy, chunky dark ones they put now seem to run nearly the whole length of one side and detract from the iron work and Victorian feel. I think perhaps enough is enough now.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2015, 05:03:30 PM
It is a shame those benches were not sold with some Terms and Conditions attached.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 09, 2015, 07:09:38 PM
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It is a shame those benches were not sold with some Terms and Conditions attached.  &shake&

Not sure what you're getting at Bri,  there is a contract signed when you purchase one.  Maintenance, length of contract, situation of bench etc...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2015, 07:16:45 PM
I think the number of benches is just getting ridiculous, too. I hope the new Owners rethink the policy.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2015, 08:54:35 PM
Fester, I believe T&C's will help guide purchasers by informing them what they can do and what they cannot do with their memorial hbenches.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 09, 2015, 09:14:08 PM
Still not sure what you are driving at Bri.
Are you upset about the number of them, the appearance of them, or the tributes people leave on them in memory of loved ones??

There are a very small amount of them left to come, and that's it done.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2015, 09:41:13 PM
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There are a very small amount of them left to come, and that's it done.

Please elaborate.  ?{}?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 10, 2015, 12:28:15 PM
Like I said, there are precious few places left to put them, so the price of them has been jacked up in order to deter new customers, and slow demand right down.
There are a small amount of orders in the pipeline, then no more.
I'm still unsure what your issue is though, my question went unanswered.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on April 10, 2015, 02:06:32 PM
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I think the number of benches is just getting ridiculous, too. I hope the new Owners rethink the policy.

I agree. As soon as they announced the scheme i worried it would detract from the blue and white look of the pier.. it was ok at first, though i was disapointed they were big chunky benches rather than the more ornate type they had in the 90s by the goose (that theyve dug out of storage and put a handful down by the cafe i noticed yesterday).. but now the pier just looks like a wall of brown when you look down it, there's billions of them!!

If they have a spare bench why not donate it to marine drive seeing as 6 years on my beloved sunset bench (used to be the 3rd bench on marine drive, now there's just the 2 by the "nose" of the orme as i always called it then no more til the zig zag road!) has still not been replaced!
Ok i know, it never will, but it should be! ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 10, 2015, 03:28:13 PM
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Like I said, there are precious few places left to put them, so the price of them has been jacked up in order to deter new customers, and slow demand right down.
There are a small amount of orders in the pipeline, then no more.
I'm still unsure what your issue is though, my question went unanswered.

Fester, there is an abundance of benches from the second entrance down to the end of the pier but there is an obvious shortage of benches between the main entrance and the second entrance.

There is also a major shortage of benches outside the two amusement arcades and under cover, which would be much appreciated by visitors whenever it rains.


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Fester, I believe T&C's will help guide purchasers by informing them what they can do and what they cannot do with their memorial benches.

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Still not sure what you are driving at Bri.
Are you upset about the number of them, the appearance of them, or the tributes people leave on them in memory of loved ones??

I am driving at the Pier Management producing T&C’s for the benefit of purchasers.

Nothing more than that, Fester, if you care to read my post again.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 10, 2015, 04:39:42 PM
OK, well, the benches are situated where the purchaser requests them to be placed.

Therefore one must assume that very few, if any, people have enjoyed whiling away the hours sitting on the concrete and tarmac part of the pier, staring at the deteriorating Grand Hotel.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 10, 2015, 05:01:55 PM
Fester, do you know whether or not purchasers pay annual maintenance charges for their benches and if so, how much?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 10, 2015, 05:09:00 PM
It's in with the initial purchase price.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 10, 2015, 05:22:00 PM
As the bench maintenance normally takes place within the amusement arcade at the end of the pier during the winter months, I wonder if it is nothing more than a coincidence that so many benches are positioned down that end?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 10, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
I think I've already explained it Bri.
The customer is asked specifically where they would like the bench to be situated.
There is one more coming outside my kiosk in May, in memory of one of my very best customers who passed away at Xmas.
Her family have specifically asked for it to be outside mine.   This will be the last one in that vicinity.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 14, 2015, 12:29:14 PM
I understand a prospective new owner of the pier is strongly considering introducing an admission charge for visitors to the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on April 14, 2015, 03:49:54 PM
Wonder why they did away with the charge , and will people pay it these days .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 14, 2015, 04:26:35 PM
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Wonder why they did away with the charge , and will people pay it these days .

Because, it was a commercial disaster......... and NO they won't.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on April 14, 2015, 05:07:45 PM
DaveR are you trying to upset Fester.lol
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 14, 2015, 07:40:35 PM
A £1 Admission Charge was introduced on Weston Pier last year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-26867464 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-26867464)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 15, 2015, 11:46:33 AM
Reading that article, it becomes immediately clear that the owners entirely under-estimated the ongoing costs of maintaining a Pier.
Not only that, but they will surely under-estimate the downturn in revenue, concession sales, and local goodwill which will follow that decision.  It seems self-defeating to me.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 15, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
On this occasion, I agree with Fester.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 15, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
As do I, it will kill the pier's business stone dead.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 15, 2015, 02:20:51 PM
North Pier Blackpool imposed a 50p charge to enter, until about 3 years ago.... it absolutely killed the footfall.
Families simply wouldn't pay, and therefore wouldn't spend.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2015, 03:42:04 PM
I must admit I personally find the proliferation of memorial benches not just on the pier but all around town a bit depressing, especially when they are bedecked with flowers or other memorabilia. Nothing worse than dead flowers in their cellophane wrappers or tacky plastic ones complete with a barely legible note as the ink has run in the rain or faded with the sun.
If people do want a memorial lets keep it tasteful and low key.A small plaque should suffice.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on May 03, 2015, 12:59:08 AM
For those interested in sailing from Llandudno pier again - please keep an eye on July 1st to 5th

Further details about the 2015 timetable for the M V Balmoral are being finalised and will be announced here once they are confirmed.

Advance publicity leaflets are available at Venue Cymru
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 05, 2015, 04:57:49 PM
I believe that the new owners of Llandudno Pier are taking over today. I wish them good luck in building upon its success as Llandudno's leading visitor attraction.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on May 05, 2015, 07:32:33 PM
That's a good start dave is that why it wasn't,open  _))*   Your mate fester didn,t mind it was closed lol
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2015, 08:55:21 AM
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That's a good start dave is that why it wasn't,open  _))*   Your mate fester didn,t mind it was closed lol
I think they were doing the handover, so the pier couldn't be open whilst that was going on.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2015, 10:09:27 AM
THE owners of Towyn's Tir Prince Raceway Ltd are in the process of buying Llandudno pier for £4.5 million.

Contracts have been exchanged and the sale is expected to be completed later this week, according to Richard Baldwin, director of Bilfinger GVA’s Retail, Hotels and Leisure team.

The pier, placed up for sale in March along with two others in Blackpool, is expected to be bought by entrepreneur Adam Williams’ Tir Prince Raceway Ltd.

A spokesperson for Crown Entertainment Centres, the company selling the piers, said: “We’re delighted to have exchanged on Llandudno pier.”

A spokesperson for Bilfinger GVA Retail, Hotels and Leisure added: “To have exchanged on its sale in such a short time scale is extremely satisfying.”

http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/147620/towyn-leisure-firm-in-talks-to-buy-historic-llandudno-pier.aspx (http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/147620/towyn-leisure-firm-in-talks-to-buy-historic-llandudno-pier.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on May 06, 2015, 07:52:17 PM
   I bet thats a relief to a good few that knew me thirty years ago when I traded under the name of "Towyn Travel." So no its not me.  Might have been interested but didn't fancy having a dustup with any unruly tenants. No of course I didn't mean you Fester
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 07, 2015, 08:35:04 AM
Llandudno Pier sold to Tir Prince leisure boss
15:12, 6 May 2015
By Owen Hughes


Towyn businessman has sealed deal to take on the £4.5m historic tourist attraction and promised to invest to ensure it has a bright future

Llandudno Pier has been sold to Tir Prince leisure boss Adam Williams who has vowed to invest to ensure the pier has a bright future.

Bilfinger GVA Retail, Hotels and Leisure has successfully completed the sale of the iconic Llandudno Pier for its £4.5m asking price on behalf of established leisure attraction operator Crown Entertainment Centres.

The pier, famed for its Victorian and Edwardian elegance, has been bought by leisure entrepreneur Adam Williams’s Tir Prince Raceway operation, supported by Barclays.

Mr Williams said: “The deal has been completed and this pier is now in local ownership, I feel very privileged to be the owner of this wonderful attraction.

“I went to school in Llandudno and grew up looking at the pier and my dad Billy had always wanted to own it.

"He has passed away but he would be very proud that I have now bought it, my mum is certainly very proud."

He said he will take his time before making any changes.

“I appreciate Llandudno is different to Towyn and I will not dive in and start changing things," he said.

"I will spend the next few months learning about the pier and the people who visit and maybe 12 months down the line look at what we can do to improve things.

"This is a cultural icon, the best pier in the UK as far as I am concerned and I fully appreciate its cultural value and will do nothing to damage that as that is what people come here for."
No charges for going on pier

He added: "There are no plans to charge to use the pier, that is not in my remit at all.

"We will keep investing in the pier to secure it for the future. We have invested £4.5m into the pier, we have to ensure we protect that investment for the future."

Richard Baldwin, director in Bilfinger GVA’s Retail, Hotels and Leisure team, said: “Llandudno Pier has attracted a large amount of interest since it came on to the market six weeks ago and to complete a sale in such a short timescale is extremely satisfying.

“Offers in excess of the asking price were received, but all parties were in agreement that a sale to Adam Williams was in the best interests of the long-term future of Llandudno Pier.”

St John Stott, director at Crown Entertainment Centres, said: “We’re delighted to have sold Llandudno Pier and are equally delighted that the future of the pier is safe.

“Both piers in Blackpool which Crown Entertainment Centres has on the market through Bilfinger GVA are attracting similar levels of interest.”

Adam Williams, Managing Director at Tir Prince Raceway Ltd pictured with Gary Fletcher, Relationship Director for Barclays

Gary Fletcher, relationship director for Barclays, said: “By working closely and really understanding the business, Barclays has been able to support Tir Prince Raceway financially and professionally throughout the investment.

“We have a long standing relationship with the company and now wish to maintain that strong relationship with the existing management team.

"Adam worked in the arcades and on the fairgrounds since he was 16 and knows the industry inside out and understands the importance of continued investment.

“It’s great to see the pier being owned and managed by a local entrepreneur with a successful track record within the North Wales leisure industry.

"This was a complicated funding package against some strong competition put together within a very short timescale but it is great to demonstrate that large scale funding packages are readily available to the right propositions.”

The pier was put up for sale in March by Cuerden Leisure along with Blackpool Central Pier and Blackpool South Pier with a collective price tag of £12.6m.

The Tir Prince business was established in 1950 when founder and travelling showman Billy Williams relocated from Bolton to North Wales, opening some of the very first amusement arcades along the North Wales coast.

The company currently employs more than 60 staff within the amusement arcades, caravan park, fairground and harness racing business.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-sold-tir-prince-9194642 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-sold-tir-prince-9194642)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on May 07, 2015, 02:30:35 PM
I was visited today by a very dapper looking Mr Ormegolf,  and as he made his way along the Pier he was exchanging pleasantries with the new owner of Llandudno Pier.

Mike certainly moves in exalted circles.   Is there anyone in N Wales that he doesn't know?   Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 15, 2015, 08:47:49 AM
Llandudno Pier: New owner speaks of ambitions after £4.5m sale

Published date: 14 May 2015
Published by: Steve Craddock



THE new owner of Llandudno Pier has spoken of his hopes for its future.

Bilfinger GVA Retail, Hotels and Leisure completed the sale of the iconic pier for its £4.5m asking price on behalf of leisure attraction operator Crown Entertainment Centres.

The pier, admired widely for its Victorian and Edwardian elegance, was officially acquired by leisure entrepreneur Adam Williams’s Tir Prince Raceway operation on May 6, supported by Barclays.

Mr Williams said: “Tir Prince Raceway is excited to have the opportunity to own the pier and ensure that many thousands of people continue to enjoy its offering as a visitor attraction for years to come.

“It has been very well looked after by the previous owners.

“It’s always been in our minds, but you never expect these things to come onto the market.

“I was on it on the first day - Bilfinger GVA said our offer was the fastest they had ever had.”

Richard Baldwin, director in Bilfinger GVA’s Retail, Hotels and Leisure team, said: “To complete a sale in such a short timescale is extremely satisfying.

“Offers in excess of the asking price were received, but all parties were in agreement that a sale to Adam Williams was in the best interests of the long-term future of Llandudno Pier.”

Mr Williams added that in the short term he would not be making changes to the pier, but instead he would get to know the clientele and how the pier operated, with initial ideas for future works including improvements to lighting and paint work.

St John Stott, director at Crown Entertainment Centres, said: “We’re delighted to have sold Llandudno Pier and are equally delighted that the future of the pier is safe.”

Berin Jones, Chairman of Llandudno Hospitality Association, said: ”It’s a wonderful piece of Victorian architecture which we need to keep in the town.

“We’d be interested to have conversations with Mr Williams about what his long term plans for the pier are and how we can help. At the end of the day we’re all working to achieve the same goal – the continued success of Llandudno.”

http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/147988/llandudno-pier-new-owner-speaks-of-ambitions-after-4-5m-sale.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/147988/llandudno-pier-new-owner-speaks-of-ambitions-after-4-5m-sale.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on May 26, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
I have often fancied a beer or two at the Pier Head, on one of those blissful warm, still nights.
However, it has never been thought to be viable financially to open it late in the evenings.

The new owner of the Pier, Mr Adam Williams has made the decision to open the Bar, Cafe and Arcade at the Pier Head, until 10pm so I was able to fulfil my dream last night.
From the Promenade I could see the neon signs telling me that everything was open, so Mrs Fester and I made our way on.

I have to say it was excellent, and I intend to do it more often.  It wasn't very busy, but I reckon that even at 9.30pm there were still sufficient customers to make it worthwhile.
This was the view at 10pm as we left,  (just don't tell Mrs F I posted this!)  :o

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on May 27, 2015, 07:17:26 AM
Any Waltzers appeared yet.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on May 27, 2015, 08:04:50 AM
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I have often fancied a beer or two at the Pier Head, on one of those blissful warm, still nights.
However, it has never been thought to be viable financially to open it late in the evenings.

The new owner of the Pier, Mr Adam Williams has made the decision to open the Bar, Cafe and Arcade at the Pier Head, until 10pm so I was able to fulfil my dream last night.
From the Promenade I could see the neon signs telling me that everything was open, so Mrs Fester and I made our way on.

I have to say it was excellent, and I intend to do it more often.  It wasn't very busy, but I reckon that even at 9.30pm there were still sufficient customers to make it worthwhile.
This was the view at 10pm as we left,  (just don't tell Mrs F I posted this!)  :o


That sounds a lovely thing to do Fester. I hope they start stocking sherry!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on May 27, 2015, 11:49:27 AM
Yes that,s how it used to be ,and it was always busy ,trying to lock up at 11oclock was tough .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on May 27, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
What's Langtrys like nowadays? Noticed they advertised live entertainment from 7.30 every night.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on May 27, 2015, 06:28:42 PM
We had the Roman room in my day , born to run  could enter there till 11 off the pier .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on May 27, 2015, 10:42:51 PM
I think Mrs. Fester lights up the pier beautifully and should  be proud to see her photo on the forum.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 01, 2015, 12:37:43 PM
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The new owner of the Pier, Mr Adam Williams has made the decision to open the Bar, Cafe and Arcade at the Pier Head, until 10pm so I was able to fulfil my dream last night.
From the Promenade I could see the neon signs telling me that everything was open, so Mrs Fester and I made our way on.
That's great news, hope it is a success.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on June 01, 2015, 05:56:32 PM
I think it is great news about the facilities at the end of the Pier opening much later into the evening. However they really should do something about the poor lighting on the way down.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 02, 2015, 08:47:05 AM
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I think it is great news about the facilities at the end of the Pier opening much later into the evening. However they really should do something about the poor lighting on the way down.
Agreed, the section by the Grand Hotel is very poorly lit, it will deter people from walking further down the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 10, 2015, 12:01:25 PM
New Royal Mail stamp.....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on June 10, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
Brilliant. I wonder who the photographer was?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 10, 2015, 01:04:54 PM
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Brilliant. I wonder who the photographer was?

I think it was ....architectural photographer Lee Mawdsley
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hollins on June 10, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
Yes, thanks SteveH. I looked up his name and found this link to his Royal Mail photos. It shows other piers and seaside places in large pictures. A bit too large for the Llandudno one because you can see some metal barriers trying to hide some works or something and also the line of brown chairs don't look too good.
Still, great that they chose the Llandudno one for the first class stamp.


http://www.leemawdsley.co.uk/index.php?/projects-1/royal-mail/ (http://www.leemawdsley.co.uk/index.php?/projects-1/royal-mail/)

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: No 6 on June 12, 2015, 12:01:45 AM
Balmoral is scheduled to re-open the berthing head at Llandudno on the 2nd July Details :-

http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/ (http://www.heritagesteamers.co.uk/balmoral/)

Local Priced Timetable below


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 16, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
Coastal steamer set to return to Welsh coast after three-year lay-off

A much-loved coastal steamer will return to passenger service around Wales this month after a three-year lay-off.

The newly restored MV Balmoral cruise vessel will embark on its first “Celebration Cruise” this weekend, with its first call at Penarth and a cruise down the channel to Ilfracombe.

Under Captain Steve Mallett and his crew, the ship has been transformed over the last few weeks after Balmoral supporters raised over £300,000 on top of a £344,000 Coastal Communities Grant awarded in January this year.

Owned by the Balmoral Fund Ltd, the ship will be operated by White Funnel Ltd, a name which is synonymous with passenger ships on the Bristol Channel.
Laid up at Bristol in 2012, Balmoral was the last of the famous P&A Campbell/White Funnel Fleet which became a traditional sight around the South Wales coast.

The company is now trying to raise vital funds to cover the large operating costs and to lay the coaster up over the winter before it sets sail again next year.

Paul Doubler, spokesperson for the Balmoral said: “It has been something of a miracle to return Balmoral to cruising this summer, but we are not home and dry yet.

“We have to have great public support to run a very costly ship. It would be tragic if in this, our first season back a combination perhaps of poor weather and low passenger numbers affected her long term future.”

Sailing schedule
Short cruises will be running throughout Father’s Day and Monday will see a trip from Porthcawl to Minehead and Ilfracombe.

On Tuesday, June 23, Balmoral will make its first call at Swansea with a trip to the Exmoor Coast, Porlock Bay and Ilfracombe.

It will then sail up to North Wales to re-open Llandudno Pier on July 2, with further calls at Menai Bridge and Caernarfon.

The coastal steamer, which can carry 691 passengers, will then return to the Bristol Channel on July 8, for a regular season of cruises around the Bristol Channel and Penarth, whose council donated £1,000 to the restoration of Balmoral.

There will also be many calls from Porthcawl and Swansea with a special cruise from Briton Ferry on July 19.

For tickets and for full sailing details, prices and times throughout June, July, August and September go to www.whitefunnel.co.uk (http://www.whitefunnel.co.uk) or call 0117 325 6200.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coastal-steamer-set-return-welsh-9464119 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coastal-steamer-set-return-welsh-9464119)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 24, 2015, 12:54:41 PM
Llandudno Pier: 'We'll put every penny back into the pier'             &shake&
Amusements are part of British holiday
They have thrived but Adam does remain concerned for the future of the amusement trade in North Wales and says the sector has not had enough support or credit. He said: “We are creating revenue and employment but we are getting neglected because I think people don’t like the image they think we portray because the history of arcades always appear to be seedy.

"But it is a fundamental part of leisure tourism in Britain.

“I think we are forgetting what makes a British holiday, the seaside, the fairground, the amusements, that is the basis of every child’s British holiday and memories is what runs British tourism. We can’t forget memories.
“The amusement industry employs a lot of people. We have the growth in adventure tourism which is great, it is a ride at the end of the day. It is expensive though and is not something you go on time and time again.
“Something like Zip World is very good and gets people here and puts us on the map but it is a one off for many people.
"People might spend some time there on their holiday but then where else do they want to go, families will go to the seaside and we need to make sure we don’t neglect this sector.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-well-put-every-9516007 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-well-put-every-9516007)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 24, 2015, 01:28:35 PM
It is a shame that the toilets have now closed inside the amusement arcade by the pier entrance.

They were very convenient for everyone.

The nearest now is either behind Barclays Bank or at the far end of the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 24, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
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It is a shame that the toilets have now closed inside the amusement arcade by the pier entrance.

They were very convenient for everyone.

The nearest now is either behind Barclays Bank or at the far end of the pier.

 &well&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wally on June 24, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
The gents at the  end of the pier was closed the other day. Very inconvenient for anyone who had walked up there from the amusement arcade.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 24, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
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The gents at the  end of the pier was closed the other day. Very inconvenient for anyone who had walked up there from the amusement arcade.

They were closed for over a week, due to damage caused last weekend.
They are fully open now, and repaired.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 25, 2015, 09:41:34 AM
Interesting quote from Adam Williams in that article:

"He said there are lots of challenges to get to grips with. “Insurance is a massive one, then there is the sea. We have a £250,000 a year budget just for the under deck steelworks.

“My challenge is to get it back to its former glory, to strip back where the paint is crisp rather than looking like it has 30 coats of paint on.

“I want it immaculate and it will take a lot of years.

“We will invest what we can, depending on the income, that depends on the weather and what happens with Llandudno and the surrounding area."


I'm sure we wish him all the best, he has a tough road ahead of him but it's a very worthy endeavour. $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 25, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
There might not be much left under the 30 coats of paint!  Good luck to them though!   $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on June 26, 2015, 02:27:26 PM
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It is a shame that the toilets have now closed inside the amusement arcade by the pier entrance.

They were very convenient for everyone.

The nearest now is either behind Barclays Bank or at the far end of the pier.


I knew the gents had shut in the goose, but have the ladies gone as well now? I'm going to have a real problem as the ones in happy valley are usually locked, even when the cafe is open (and she's meant to be the keyholder!)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 26, 2015, 03:18:56 PM
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It is a shame that the toilets have now closed inside the amusement arcade by the pier entrance.

They were very convenient for everyone.

The nearest now is either behind Barclays Bank or at the far end of the pier.


I knew the gents had shut in the goose, but have the ladies gone as well now?

Yep.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on June 26, 2015, 03:30:25 PM
All this talk about people not spending enough money on the pier, and it turns out you can't even spend a penny  L0L

I hope they build a rollercoaster on a ruddy thing  ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on June 26, 2015, 04:06:41 PM
Now that's an idea.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 26, 2015, 07:20:46 PM
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Interesting quote from Adam Williams in that article:
"He said there are lots of challenges to get to grips with. “Insurance is a massive one, then there is the sea. We have a £250,000 a year budget just for the under deck steelworks.
“I want it immaculate and it will take a lot of years.
“We will invest what we can, depending on the income, that depends on the weather and what happens with Llandudno and the surrounding area."


With the £250.000 steelwork bill and the insurance bill, .......(it was mentioned during the Colwyn pier report that the insurance for that would be about £150.000) and I assume Llandudno's will be more expensive plus allowing for other running costs ..........................lets say roughly £500.000 PA.   
Taking the above and the recent discussion on the lower number of pier visitors, these figures are not making sense to me.  ........ &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 26, 2015, 11:44:02 PM
A good point, I wonder what income the pier receives?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on June 28, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
In the Happy Valley this afternoon there was only one family sitting on the grass,it was a nice afternoon,i was suprised yet the pier looked busy,obviuosly Fester will tell us more on that,for June it does seem quiet.
 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 29, 2015, 12:05:33 AM
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In the Happy Valley this afternoon there was only one family sitting on the grass,it was a nice afternoon,i was suprised yet the pier looked busy,obviuosly Fester will tell us more on that,for June it does seem quiet.
 

The Pier was 'busier' than it has been during the week (obviously), but the gaps were very large and I would estimate that it was about 30% below normal for this weather, and this time of year.
From my vantage point on a bench, I was able to collar 2 sets of thieves from outside my shop, and the lady in the shop opposite collared another one for me.   
So, at least some types of folk were busy today!

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 29, 2015, 07:54:17 AM
What do you do with  the thieves? Throw them in to the sea?  :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on June 29, 2015, 09:05:37 AM
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Interesting quote from Adam Williams in that article:
"He said there are lots of challenges to get to grips with. “Insurance is a massive one, then there is the sea. We have a £250,000 a year budget just for the under deck steelworks.
“I want it immaculate and it will take a lot of years.
“We will invest what we can, depending on the income, that depends on the weather and what happens with Llandudno and the surrounding area."


With the £250.000 steelwork bill and the insurance bill, .......(it was mentioned during the Colwyn pier report that the insurance for that would be about £150.000) and I assume Llandudno's will be more expensive plus allowing for other running costs ..........................lets say roughly £500.000 PA.   
Taking the above and the recent discussion on the lower number of pier visitors, these figures are not making sense to me.  ........ &shake&
In recent years, the bill for steelwork maintenance has been nearer £150,000.

As regards insurance, here's an interesting article on insuring piers (did I really just say that??  :laugh: ):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11483301 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11483301)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 29, 2015, 12:43:10 PM
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What do you do with  the thieves? Throw them in to the sea?  :twoface:

I tailor my response, commensurate to the person apprehended.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on June 29, 2015, 07:56:33 PM
   Fester, don't beat about the bush. Tell us. What did you do?
   I have a historical interest in this. For a good few years I ran the store on the crossroads in Towyn when not so many had cars and Asda had;nt even been invented. And I was taking a fortune in a tiny cramped area absolutely heaven made for shoplifters. And loads of stock all over the pavement. And a very dubious collection of staff. Not much point in threatening them with the sack. They all knew they would have the sack anyway when the season ended abruptly in second week of September.
  Whateever you did, Fester, I have done it. But I am little wiser which, if any, of my actions did anybody, including me, any good.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 29, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
In the late 80's a friend had a stall at Towyn outside Tinkers newsagents, he sold jeans, one day he thought he saw a man putting something under his jacket, he followed and accused him on the spot, the man broke down, pleading don't call the police as he would go back inside....a slight delay and my friend knee'd him in the bxxxs and told him to bxxxxr off...... the man doubled in pain said.......... "Oh thankyou mate thanks very much" and hobbled off ... _))* _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 29, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
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In the late 80's a friend had a stall at Towyn outside Tinkers newsagents, he sold jeans, one day he thought he saw a man putting something under his jacket, he followed and accused him on the spot, the man broke down, pleading don't call the police as he would go back inside....a slight delay and my friend knee'd him in the bxxxs and told him to bxxxxr off...... the man doubled in pain said.......... "Oh thankyou mate thanks very much" and hobbled off ... _))* _))*

That type of 'approach' is one that I 'might' have employed.... but not this year.

The thieves I apprehended on Sunday were as follows.
1, A child of approximately 4 years old, who's mother told me 'why should I care?' ... when I led him over to her and pointed out what he had done. Nice eh?
2, An Asian lady of about 60, although many of them look about 60, when they are nearer to 30
3, A very well dressed gay couple, who I waited for to return down the pier. (because I didn't actually see them do it myself)  Once I collared the one who did it, and 'explained' the error of his ways to him, he became a quivering wreck and I recovered my merchandise.... oh, and I fined him too!

Job done without any physical pain being administered to anyone!   As I said, response has to be tailored to the circumstances and the perpetrator.
The other thing to say is, one must be 100% certain that you have seen a theft, I have given the benefit of the doubt on many occasions.  99% is not enough for me to act.
Also, I don't manage to spot the vast majority of thieves, I am well aware of that.




Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on June 30, 2015, 07:13:53 AM
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A child of approximately 4 years old, who's mother told me 'why should I care?' ... when I led him over to her and pointed out what he had done. Nice eh?

Nicely embodying the concept of the 'vicious circle'...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on June 30, 2015, 09:56:24 AM
He plays them Motorhead songs  WWW

The European court of human rights would have a field day  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 02, 2015, 01:31:14 PM
The Balmoral docks today, the first time since 2006
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 02, 2015, 02:30:34 PM
It was great to see it back in Llandudno.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
GALLERY: Historic MV Balmoral ship officially re-launched at Llandudno Pier.

HUNDREDS of people turned out in force for the relaunch of an historic ship in Llandudno.

The MV Balmoral, built in 1949, will be returned to service from the town’s pier on Thursday, July 2 and was officially opened by Cllr Frank Bradfield, mayor of Llandudno.
He said: “This is a fabulous ship and it is wonderful that Llandudno was chosen to stage this and I hope this will be a catalyst for more events of this nature.
“It’s great to see so many people here embracing the hard work put in by everybody, and the organisers and fundraisers deserve enormous credit.”
The 66-year-old vessel’s last voyage was in 2012, before it was withdrawn from service after its owners were unable to finance the work required to keep it operating.
MORE AND PHOTOS
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/149889/gallery-historic-mv-balmoral-ship-officially-re-launched-at-llandudno-pier.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/149889/gallery-historic-mv-balmoral-ship-officially-re-launched-at-llandudno-pier.aspx)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 03, 2015, 03:28:30 PM
Take a look at my pictures below, and you will see that the Pier was very quiet for such an auspicious occasion.
At the Pier head however, there was indeed maybe 200 folk.  Some passengers, others spectators.

What is interesting though, is when The Waverley FAILED to dock last year, there were probably 2000 people on the Pier to see it.
It is indicative of 2 things.   
1, How quiet town is in general (for visitors)
2, How appallingly the visit of The Balmoral was advertised and marketed!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2015, 03:56:15 PM
Timetable   M.V. BALMORAL

Friday 3 July
Liverpool 0900**
Llandudno arr 1215
Llandudno dep 1245
Cruise past Puffin Island &
towards Menai Bridge
Llandudno arr 1530
Llandudno dep 1600
Liverpool 1930

Saturday 4 July
Liverpool 0900**
Llandudno arr 1215
Llandudno dep 1245
Cruise Great Orme & Anglesey
Coast towards RedWharf Bay
Llandudno arr 1530
Llandudno dep 1600
Liverpool 1930

Sunday 5 July
Llandudno 1015
Menai Bridge 1145
Caernarfon 1230
Cruise round Anglesey
Menai Bridge 1715
Coach return to Caernarfon
arrive 1800
Llandudno 1830
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
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Take a look at my pictures below, and you will see that the Pier was very quiet for such an auspicious occasion.
At the Pier head however, there was indeed maybe 200 folk.  Some passengers, others spectators.
What is interesting though, is when The Waverley FAILED to dock last year, there were probably 2000 people on the Pier to see it.
It is indicative of 2 things.   
1, How quiet town is in general (for visitors)
2, How appallingly the visit of The Balmoral was advertised and marketed!

I was surprised at the low numbers on the pier yesterday, even including the parties of school children and a couple of coach loads of ethnic visitors it was very quiet for such an occasion......

And I can only agree that they let themselves down badly with their marketing,....... but what did Llandudno do ? 
&shake&

F. I am pleased to say you were busy both times I passed...... $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2015, 04:26:22 PM
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1, How quiet town is in general (for visitors)

The town certainly isn't quiet in general for visitors.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 03, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
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1, How quiet town is in general (for visitors)

The town certainly isn't quiet in general for visitors.

Between Bog Island, and the roundabout at Gloddaeth is very busy.
They are the cut off points.   I.e., the 'main strip' as it seen to be these days.

Incidentally, the Cable Cars, even when open on the odd glorious day... there is NEVER a queue anymore.

Come and see for yourself,   Mr and Mrs Merddin Emrys just did! 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2015, 05:25:57 PM
The Orme Marine Drive is extremely busy. Walking round on two days this week it was very busy. We didn't visit the pier. So I say again "The town certainly isn't quiet in general for visitors".

Both Stuart and Charlie (toll gatekeepers) tell me the Drive has been busy. The Cafe on the Orme drive is very busy - much busier than in previous years. The pier may well be dead - I don't know because - in common with many others, apparently - it holds little or no interest for us.

But I worry about people talking the town down, and I know they're wrong.  Maybe not about the pier, but certainly about the overall town and visitor numbers.  All the studies, all the data - everything, in fact, apart from individual and highly subjective experiences is telling us the opposite but still some insist on trying to tell us all that the town is dead. I only hope prospective visitors don't read these gloomy prognostications and cancel their intended trips.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Big Alan on July 03, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
You live there and have no interest in the pier? It's the first place me and Paula make for on our weekend breaks, we love it. Oh and before you tell me it's just a novelty to us because we are 'only tourists', we had one in New Brighton that got demolished and is still sadly missed.

EDIT: Be nice, please!  $thanx$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 04, 2015, 12:39:03 AM
Big Al, nice to see you and your family again last week, look after your Mum mate!

Ian, I have to say that the town itself may be very busy... at times... and in certain areas.

However, the areas I am familiar with (not just the Pier by any means) are very quiet OUTSIDE the hours of Noon til 4pm.

I don't care if prospective visitors read these observations, they are MY observations and as valid as any spurious reports issued by bodies with vested interests.
For example, when did any Tourist Board issue any figures to say things weren't always UP?   If they did, they would be admitting failure, and therefore be sacked for performance issues.

I can't pretend that I see it differently, and that things are not changing quite rapidly... any attempt to do so would be as false as the politicians that I despise.
I'm sure you wouldn't want me to tell false-hoods, and modify my opinions to attract unsuspecting tourists, only for them to be disappointed on arrival?   I think that is what the Alice Trail people are guilty of in a big way.
Also, Ian, if you only want to create a positive-only image of the town, perhaps the thread regarding 'Eyesores' should be deleted.  It is after all, one heck of a long list!

I detect your frustration and disappointment that I will not simply kow-tow to your opinion.  No matter how much you make it bold or underline it.    I see what I see.  (I know how to make text BOLD and UNDERLINE things too!), but it doesn't make my opinion any more or less important than yours.
I have been visited by several Forum members this week, some have posted on this very topic on the other thread.... we see what we see!

Steve H and Norm08 were, I believe, in broad agreement in their most recent posts. It was nice to see Mr and Mrs Merddin today... what did you think guys?
Oh, and the guy who introduced himself as a Forum 'Lurker', who lost me a customer and then slunk away... thanks for that by the way!

It's a bit like clairvoyance now,  in so much as for those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't, no level of proof will be enough to convince them.



Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 04, 2015, 07:22:27 AM
We visited the pier yesterday to see the ship at around 4 pm to 4.45 pm, looked to me like most visitors were there to see the Balmoral. I saw very little evidence of shopping, I do not know if this is due to lack of spending money or if it is due to shops not having what people want to buy. I suspect t that people visiting prefer to spend on experiences than items? Good to see you yesterday Fester! ☺
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on July 04, 2015, 07:36:49 AM
Everything Fester has said is true,i was born in this town and always been interested in tourism,you all know how i like to point things out and it is definatley quieter for some reason.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 04, 2015, 08:27:42 AM
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I detect your frustration and disappointment that I will not simply kow-tow to your opinion.

And I'm sorry you feel the need to make this personal, by using marginally abusive language and implying perceptions and stances. What I'm trying to do is ensure a fair and balanced debate - which is difficult when people start becoming unpleasant. Using language like that is a form of bullying. If you cannot debate purely on the facts, then perhaps it's better to say nothing.

You have made a number of comments stated as fact, and they have been proved wrong - not by 'vested interests' as you say, but by objective, University-led studies. You may argue they're utterly wrong; that's your privilege, but don't simply discount them in favour of what you might be seeing.

This is never going to be resolved until we see the end-of-year accounts for the town's traders. If the hotels are steadily losing money, they will close. If the shops are steadily failing to increase sales, they will close. It's already been noted that we have a growing number of shops opening, and we did far less badly than many towns during the pinnacle of the recession. We seem to have new cafes and coffee shops opening all the time. The pier might be quiet, but that might be peculiar to the pier itself, and perhaps one or two other areas. What some of us are saying is that we need objective data, yet when that's located and presented, you simply dismiss it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bosun on July 04, 2015, 09:05:22 AM
I have taken a great deal of interest in this topic, I generally confine myself to the more frivolous topics,  but believe that the pier is fundamental to the future of Llandudno and I have been interested by everyone's perspective. I took this photograph yesterday at about 2pm., and it shows the amount of people on the prom, and the pier - and this was just after the Balmoral steamed of for her cruise.

Now, I am not suggesting that this is correct, it's a question: Could it be that that a great many visitors to Llandudno are put of from going along the pier because of the 'in-yer-face' amusement arcades and hot-dog stands at the entrance -in that they are the type of visitor who comes to Llandudno for that? The rise of good-quality establishments has been noted on here, is the 'Rhyl' syndrome putting the type of visitors Llandudno gets off visiting the pier? Before you shout at me, remember, it's just a question......
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 04, 2015, 09:57:38 AM
There have been amusements there for many years, sadly they replaced the much loved dodgem boats in around 1968, I think that people need a good reason for visiting the pier, like regular boats at the end, clearly the current shops do not attract shoppers? I have no magic answer, but shops need to supply items which customers want or they will not survive! Possibly the Internet and cheap package holidays are a large part of the problem?

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 04, 2015, 10:54:33 AM
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You live there and have no interest in the pier? It's the first place me and Paula make for on our weekend breaks, we love it. Oh and before you tell me it's just a novelty to us because we are 'only tourists', we had one in New Brighton that got demolished and is still sadly missed.

I remember it well, and used to love it as a child. What I was saying is that the doesn't hold a fascination for me in the way it used to as a child.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on July 04, 2015, 11:33:53 AM
CCBC have done their best to get Colwyn of the ground and they have made the Bay a magnificent beach,yet there are only 3 traders making money out of it and of course they have made no effort to clear our town beach of stones so where do you think people are on a nice day,i think its 1-0 to CCBC .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 04, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
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Timetable   M.V. BALMORAL

Saturday 4 July
Liverpool 0900**
Llandudno arr 1215
Llandudno dep 1245
Cruise Great Orme & Anglesey
Coast towards RedWharf Bay
Llandudno arr 1530
Llandudno dep 1600
Liverpool 1930

We were sitting on the promenade around 1pm.

Did I see the M.V. Balmoral sailing in the direction of Liverpool or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on July 04, 2015, 08:22:53 PM
You are correct bri ,I was by the paddling pool about 12.30 ish seen it comming across sailed right round the Orme  bit later you seen it sailing back to Liverpool , Not a very good advert ,see how they get on tomorrow .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wardeworld on July 04, 2015, 10:38:52 PM
well i had prebooked tickets for this afternoon cruise - still waiting to board and not a  squeak from the company as to what happened
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on July 04, 2015, 11:41:56 PM
That is another problem they have when we used to have the Iom boats comming in we had ship to shore radio contact ,weather conditions etc they have nothing now , I,m sure you were so looking forward to the sailing .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 05, 2015, 01:50:52 AM
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I detect your frustration and disappointment that I will not simply kow-tow to your opinion.

And I'm sorry you feel the need to make this personal, by using marginally abusive language and implying perceptions and stances. What I'm trying to do is ensure a fair and balanced debate - which is difficult when people start becoming unpleasant. Using language like that is a form of bullying. If you cannot debate purely on the facts, then perhaps it's better to say nothing.

You have made a number of comments stated as fact, and they have been proved wrong -


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ian,  we have met personally, and I hope to again, I never set out to offend.
All today's contributors I have met personally, and will hopefully do so again, many times over...
I might approach things differently to you, but that doesn't constitute 'abuse' surely??

No matter what I say, you won't accept it.... and if I can't commission a University survey, then I must be wrong.
I am utterly bemused that you find any of my comments abusive, I have scratched my (bald) head, and genuinely can't see what you mean by that repeated statement.
You mentioned 'bullying'... (that's borderline abusive in itself I would have thought), ... I have wracked my brains to try and fathom what you could possibly mean by that.
Do you feel that the argument is going against you, given the weight of responses we have seen?  If so, that's not bullying, that's just what people think!   Don't feel threatened by it, we are ALL entitled to our opinions.

I gave up believing official reports in 2004, when a very powerful Govt body proved that Saddam Hussein had missiles that could strike the UK in 45 minutes, and we had better get to war to sort him out!
The rest is history..... so hopefully you will forgive me if I use the evidence I see around me, and think for myself from that point onwards.

Incidentally,  I would expect bullying behaviour to be against Forum rules. Therefore, if I am guilty of it... (and it is proven) then surely I must be banned.
However, my fellow Star Trek loving friend..... if YOU are found to be the bully.... then you must 'self destruct' .... it's in your programming!!       Remember the Nomad probe in the Original Series???   :laugh: [*££] :laugh: [*££] ?{}?


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 05, 2015, 11:14:40 AM
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No matter what I say, you won't accept it.... and if I can't commission a University survey, then I must be wrong.

I not sure where you’re getting that from.  I’ve said many times that I don’t dispute your opinions regarding the Pier. How can I? You’re there and I’m not. But if subjective opinions, based on single-viewpoint observations, were always valid, then we’d still assume the Sun goes round the Earth.

The reason University-led research is usually better than subjective opinion is the Academic verification structure, but more on that later.

Where I take issue is when you present opinions as facts viz:

 “Llandudno is pretty much like a ghost town this year”
 “those who are coming are spending very little indeed”
 “…many other shops (of all kinds) are closing so early in the day, and many closing down for good”
 “no one is wanting to buy anything”
 “are there any Llandudno hotels that are NOT up for sale”:
 “…a rapidly growing proportion of them are from Asian or Eastern European ethnicity.”
 “Ian and Steve H went to great lengths to find a billion Google articles”

Putting aside the fact that you clearly enjoy hyperbole I’ve attempted rationally to argue the case that Llandudno - far from being the deserted carcass of a once-famous holiday resort as you seemingly imply - is alive and well and, although I accept a lot could be done to safeguard what we once had, we’re in far, far better condition than I would have expected at this point in a prolonged and desperate period of austerity.

To take your post in more detail:

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I am utterly bemused that you find any of my comments abusive

I think your reaction to my assertions is often belligerent and phrases such as “I detect your frustration and disappointment that I will not simply kow-tow to your opinion” I believe are, as I said, marginally abusive. You’re personalising a debate and by using a pejorative you’re moving close to abuse. Why? I can only assume you don’t like anyone to contradict your oft stated opinions and views with facts and thus seek to distract from their impact by creating a conflicted situation. I could well be wrong, but that’s the way it appears.

If you don’t agree, offer verifiable facts but please don’t descend to playground politics.

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You mentioned 'bullying'... (that's borderline abusive in itself I would have thought)


I got the phrase from your not infrequent use of it, so I assumed you would be unperturbed by its use. I see you’re not, so perhaps you will exercise more caution  with the word in future. There are, as I’m sure you know, many forms of bullying but the salient point about it is the use of influence to intimidate. You have significant influence (yes, really…) and by phrases such as the one I quoted above you’re seeking to garner sympathy by portraying yourself as the underdog. Despite, I might add, being an alpha male.

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I have wracked my brains to try and fathom what you could possibly mean by that.


Debates become arguments fairly easily. A debate is usually a formal discussion where (unwritten) rules are followed to prevent actual and sometimes physical conflict emerging. But there’s another dimension to debates; the use of objectively garnered and independently verifiable data to prove or disprove points being made. Debates also draw very clear distinctions between what qualifies as fact and what qualifies as opinion. As you rightly point out, everyone is entitled to their opinion but without facts to establish the veracity or otherwise of that opinion, that’s all it is - an opinion. I could, for instance, argue that the moon landings never took place but there is a huge body of scientific and technical data to support the fact that they did.

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Do you feel that the argument is going against you, given the weight of responses we have seen? 

That sentence illustrates the main difference between you and me. In a debate, we’re trying to establish facts, whereas you seem to view it as individual winners and losers. You are a big presence on the forum, a major presence and never afraid to offer opinions on everything and anything.  You’re the likeable bloke in the pub, the centre of amusement, the frustrated comic who loves the limelight and views the forum as a stage on which to perform.

And that’s perfectly fine so long as when you make points in serious debates you do so seriously and consider the facts without inserting throwaways into your arguments.  Then it becomes political.

I suspect you also see arguments as having two sides. But arguments normally have as many sides or facets as there are contributors.  I strongly suspect the ‘two sides’ concept is perpetuated by the Parliamentary structure, but I could be wrong.

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I gave up believing official reports in 2004, when a very powerful Govt body proved that Saddam Hussein had missiles that could strike the UK in 45 minutes, and we had better get to war to sort him out!

And that’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about. In that single paragraph you've done the following:

 1.  sought to muddy the waters by introducing unrelated points
 2. Made misleading, unrelated and actually incorrect assertions (that’s not what the Dossier actually said)
 3. Attempted to further sow confusion by deliberately conflating opposed meanings (“official”)
 4. Done your usual throwaway to deflect the course of debate.

 
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The rest is history..... so hopefully you will forgive me if I use the evidence I see around me, and think for myself from that point onwards.

Of course, and provided that evidence is properly documented and independently verified, then I have no quibble. But, once again, you’re conflating issues.

The first phrase - “The rest is history” - related to the preceding paragraph, which was itself deeply flawed (or plain wrong), and by using a sequential conjunction (so) you inextricably link your reasoning to a flawed statement. That equates to building a house with cardboard as the foundation.

But the most telling phrase is this: “(I) think for myself from that point onwards”.  That implies that you have at a single stroke dismissed all the evidence which is contrary to your own assertions (first paragraph) and now make all your deductions on some subjective, inconsistent and possibly haphazard observations, which you’ve then generalised to fit the entire town. Much of what you claim to know as fact is actually contradictory, such as your comments about the shops in general. I’d show you it all, only this post is already overlong.

In summary I’ve no issue with your opinions whatsoever, provided you make it clear that’s what they are, and you stop stating things as fact which clearly aren’t. It also might be useful if you were to revise your appreciation of independent and verifiable studies. I agree they’re often far from perfect, sometimes draw incorrect conclusions, sometimes reveal influences, prejudices and are even sometimes sponsored by vested interests. But that’s what the academic structure is all about, however: by forcing reviewers to publish their data and - crucially - the ways in which it was obtained, it’s all subject to peer review and the inaccuracies found.

That’s partially what happened in the worst case of its kind: the MMR ‘research’ which not only sparked a wave of hysteria among worried mothers but led indirectly to the deaths and disabilities of many children.  Eventually, Wakefield, whose research had caused it and whose methodology was found to be incredibly flawed was eventually struck off. Interestingly, however, that was through the efforts of a Sunday Times reporter (Brian Deede, I seem to remember )  and not simply peer review. 

But when all the data Steve and I have located is examined and it’s all broadly saying the same thing, or reaching similar conclusions, then it stands to reason that a single person making random observations might, just conceivably, be less than accurate.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SDQ on July 05, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
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No matter what I say, you won't accept it.... and if I can't commission a University survey, then I must be wrong.

But when all the data Steve and I have located is examined and it’s all broadly saying the same thing, or reaching similar conclusions, then it stands to reason that a single person making random observations might, just conceivably, be less than accurate.


Jeez! You've got too much spare time on your hands dude!
Find a hobby!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on July 05, 2015, 01:57:06 PM
If I , as a mere bystander, might interrupt any argument to state a fact.....the pier was packed to the gunnels yesterday afternoon.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 05, 2015, 04:27:13 PM
MV Balmoral arriving back in Liverpool yesterday afternoon and passing Queen Mary 2.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 05, 2015, 04:35:11 PM
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If I , as a mere bystander, might interrupt any argument to state a fact.....the pier was packed to the gunnels yesterday afternoon.

Interesting...

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 05, 2015, 04:46:32 PM
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Jeez! You've got too much spare time on your hands dude! Find a hobby!

Sorry, Steve.  Fewer words or smaller words?   WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: white rabbit on July 05, 2015, 06:03:24 PM
I thought this topic was "Llandudno Pier" :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 05, 2015, 06:19:49 PM
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MV Balmoral arriving back in Liverpool yesterday afternoon and passing Queen Mary 2.

Great picture Bri. of the MV Balmoral with the QM2 , after leaving .....Llandudno Pier.  :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 05, 2015, 08:35:39 PM
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If I , as a mere bystander, might interrupt any argument to state a fact.....the pier was packed to the gunnels yesterday afternoon.

Careful Nem!   Apparently that's an opinion, not a fact... because there is no independent data to verify what you say!
Also, factually incorrect, seeing as the Pier does not have 'gunnels'   I would never be allowed to get away with it!  :laugh: :laugh:

What are 'gunnels' by the way?

Seriously though Nem, at times, especially on weekends, and particularly in mid afternoon, you will find the Pier busy.
But, my point has always been about the hours outside noon to 4pm,   and every weekday, when my OBSERVATION is that it is very, very quiet.

I recall you used to walk on there late morning, (am I right?), we used to chat, but it was too busy to chat for long.

Anyway... on a positive note, we are about to enter the busiest period of the entire year.... weather permitting, the pier and the town should be buzzing!  <:> <:<:<:< $bounce$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on July 05, 2015, 11:14:18 PM
life goes on no matter what all our opinions are,or what any of us think or do and is to short to worry about But I would miss it all if you both stopped giving your opinions be they fact or fiction, keep it going lads.


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2015, 07:34:53 AM
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Careful Nem!   Apparently that's an opinion, not a fact... because there is no independent data to verify what you say!

No, actually that's an empirical observation which Nem has very precisely located. Totally acceptable.  D)


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Also, factually incorrect, seeing as the Pier does not have 'gunnels'   I would never be allowed to get away with it!  :laugh: :laugh:

The railings could be considered 'gunwales', I suppose, as the nautical gunwale would have occupied the same or a similar position on a warship. Nem's past life as a pirate is informing her colourful use of language, no doubt  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on July 06, 2015, 09:05:36 AM
OMG. I open my mouth and someone jumps in with both feet. !

My OH drove past in the car and the pier was very busy. This was Saturday.

Last Tuesday evening at around 8pm I managed to walk the dog as far as the pier,( complete with my selection of poo-bags) . The only place selling anything, which was open, was the ice cream kiosk at the landward end. I managed as far as Fester's shop, but turned back as all I could see were closed shops...............so no it wasn't busy then.

Wish I had been a pirate Ian........... I could have lived up to my name then! The expression using Gunnels is often used in Yorkshire to mean 'full to the top'. Shame on you Fes. and you a Yorkshireman ! :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2015, 09:18:16 AM
I think one of my long gone ancestors was a pirate. He was certainly a sailor in the 16th C and sailed to the Caribbean with Privateers... (AFAIK).
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 06, 2015, 02:06:30 PM
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The expression using Gunnels is often used in Yorkshire to mean 'full to the top'. Shame on you Fes. and you a Yorkshireman ! :o

I know, and I've heard it many times, maybe even used it.... without really knowing what it meant.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Tom Davidson on July 06, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Worth noting, in The Sunday Times one reporter refers to Llandudno Pier as "the finest pier in Wales". Make of that what you will, it's not got much competition from Colwyn Bay.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 06, 2015, 03:49:08 PM
I wonder how close the new pier at Penarth compares after receiving a £1.68m lottery grant in 2011?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 06, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
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I wonder how close the new pier at Penarth compares after receiving a £1.68m lottery grant in 2011?
Hi Bri, I had a look on Wikipedia, they got a lot more than £1.68m.........it is council owned,and they won the best pier award in 2014
"PACL were awarded a Heritage Lottery Fund grant of £99,600 to develop plans for detailed restoration. PACL have now developed a £3.9m refurbishment scheme, to use enable the pavilion to be restored as a cinema, cafe, observatory and multi-purpose community complex. After planning permission was granted for the project, the HLF awarded PACT a further £1.68m in May 2011."
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 06, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Thank you for the update, SteveH.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 06, 2015, 07:42:58 PM
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........ it stands to reason that a single person making random observations might, just conceivably, be less than accurate.


There is indeed a chance that Academic Surveys of various kinds 'might' be more accurate than my observations / opinions.
I would put that chance at 50-50.
i.e. There is a 50% chance that I am correct, and a 50% chance that I am incorrect.

I base that on the FACT that every single poll and survey prior to the recent General Election concluded that Labour would triumph, no poll of any kind came to the opposing conclusion.

I however, kept saying that I believed that the Conservatives would win!   
So, apart from being a 'frustrated comic',  it is just possible I may be a VISIONARY!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 06, 2015, 07:57:10 PM
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I base that on the FACT that every single poll and survey prior to the recent General Election concluded that Labour would triumph, no poll of any kind came to the opposing conclusion.
 

Actually, the Survation telephone poll (6th May) got the result about right, in fact, and I don't recall any  other polls suggesting an overall majority for either Labour or Tory.  The overall conclusion most came to was that there'd be another coalition;  they simply didn't realise that coalition would be the Tories themselves... 

Better stick to comedy. You're better at it than clairvoyance.    WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SDQ on July 06, 2015, 08:17:51 PM
Topical programme on ITV Wales at the mo'. Wales This Week looking at seaside resorts struggling to attract 21st century holidaymakers. Llandudno & Rhyl being covered.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 06, 2015, 08:25:52 PM
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Topical programme on ITV Wales at the mo'. Wales This Week looking at seaside resorts struggling to attract 21st century holidaymakers. Llandudno & Rhyl being covered.

I much preferred 20th Century visitors anyway.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 06, 2015, 08:28:40 PM
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I base that on the FACT that every single poll and survey prior to the recent General Election concluded that Labour would triumph, no poll of any kind came to the opposing conclusion.
 

Actually, the Survation telephone poll (6th May) got the result about right, in fact, and I don't recall any  other polls suggesting an overall majority for either Labour or Tory.  The overall conclusion most came to was that there'd be another coalition;  they simply didn't realise that coalition would be the Tories themselves... 

Better stick to comedy. You're better at it than clairvoyance.    WWW WWW WWW

So you won't even concede this teensy little point?   Who's the Alpha Male now?
I still say... Pollsters 0  Fester 1


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 07, 2015, 07:29:54 AM
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on August 08, 2015, 10:36:41 AM
FIRE: A bin was accidentally set on fire on Llandundo Pier in the early hours of this morning. One fire crew from Llandudno put the blaze out at 12.15am. A discarded cigarette is thought to have sparked it.REFDP
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on October 27, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
It's nearly six months since the pier was sold to new local owners. Maybe it's too soon to judge but have there been any noticeable changes thus far?

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Llandudno Pier sold to Tir Prince leisure boss
15:12, 6 May 2015
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Barber on December 20, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
There has been some previous discussion on this forum about the benches on the pier.  I sponsored one of these benches a few months ago soon after the new owners took over.  The cost was in excess of £600 on the basis of a 10 year lease to include annual maintenance.  I was happy to think that this bench would be a long term tribute to my family.
Recently I received a letter from the pier owners which said:

'The maintenance of the benches has become a real drain on both our investment and man hours.'
'Due to this we will now have to charge an annual maintenance fee for the benches.  The fee will be £40 a year which we will invoice for you annually in October'.

I don't know if other bench sponsors read this forum, but if you do I was wondering how you feel about this demand for an extra £360 (with no guarantees that it won't increase), which seems to me to be in breach of the original contract and totally unenforceable.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2015, 11:15:06 AM
That seems more than a little unfair to all those people who have paid for the benches and expected no further costs during the 10 year period.  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
I couldn't agree more about the costs but I do wish that those who feel the need to have a memorial bench didn't feel the need to adorn it with flowers, particularly plastic ones. It's really depressing to see dead stalks wrapped in cellophane with a note attached where the ink has run. A walk along the pier, and the way things are going, a walk along the prom, is becoming more like a stroll around a cemetery. Enough is enough and In my humble opinion part of the deal should be that nothing other than a discreet plaque should be allowed to adorn the bench.
Or is it just me ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on January 07, 2016, 07:07:07 PM
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I do wish that those who feel the need to have a memorial bench didn't feel the need to adorn it with flowers, particularly plastic ones. It's really depressing to see dead stalks wrapped in cellophane with a note attached where the ink has run. A walk along the pier, and the way things are going, a walk along the prom, is becoming more like a stroll around a cemetery. Enough is enough and In my humble opinion part of the deal should be that nothing other than a discreet plaque should be allowed to adorn the bench.
Or is it just me ?

I agree with you Dave, it's a memorial bench with a plaque, not a grave site.  :(
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Barber on January 07, 2016, 08:03:27 PM
I agree too, and in fact the letter which asked us for more money also had a section which said that this would no longer be allowed.  So, in future there should be just the plaques and no further tributes on display.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 08, 2016, 08:43:22 AM
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I do wish that those who feel the need to have a memorial bench didn't feel the need to adorn it with flowers, particularly plastic ones. It's really depressing to see dead stalks wrapped in cellophane with a note attached where the ink has run. A walk along the pier, and the way things are going, a walk along the prom, is becoming more like a stroll around a cemetery. Enough is enough and In my humble opinion part of the deal should be that nothing other than a discreet plaque should be allowed to adorn the bench.
Or is it just me ?

I agree with you Dave, it's a memorial bench with a plaque, not a grave site.  :(
I do agree, too. There is the odd bench on the Prom that is so adorned with flowers and photos that is practically impossible to sit on it properly without damaging the said items, defeats the whole object of providing a bench really.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 08, 2016, 09:34:04 AM
The past four years have flown by. $good$


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Sponsoring a bench, whether on the pier or anywhere else, is certainly a nice idea.

However, what can become a problem is the sponsors fixing floral tributes to the bench.  This will often deter other people from using the bench and surely the benches are intended for people to sit on.  If the sponsors visit only occasionally, put on the flowers and then go away, who is supposed to remove the flowers when they die (if real ones) or become tatty (if artificial)?  After a while these benches can become eyesores. 

I know that I'm not alone in thinking this.  Right, Bri?


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DownUnder on January 10, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
Hi All,

I came across a TV program here in Australia some time back titled 'How Britain Worked' starring Guy Martin. The show was made around November 2012 and covered the restoration of the Llandudno Pier. It was of interest to me as I was trying to trace my father's history (born in Llandudno 1909). I looked back on this forum but could not find any reference to this show in relation to the Pier.

At the risk of opening Pandora's Box, was this not a positive thing?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 10, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
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Hi All,

I came across a TV program here in Australia some time back titled 'How Britain Worked' starring Guy Martin. The show was made around November 2012 and covered the restoration of the Llandudno Pier. It was of interest to me as I was trying to trace my father's history (born in Llandudno 1909). I looked back on this forum but could not find any reference to this show in relation to the Pier.

At the risk of opening Pandora's Box, was this not a positive thing?

Hi Down Under.
Yes, it was a great programme, and it was referred to on here at the time.
If I remember rightly, there was no big fuss made about it, and it wasn't discussed on THIS particular thread, because the programme featured other parts of Llandudno too.

Put Guy Martin into the search bar on this Forum, I'm sure it will take you to the correct thread.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on January 10, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
I have often thought that whilst the positioning of the 'memorial' seats on the Pier may give due prominence to the tribute plaque aren't the seats the wrong way round? Especially on the side facing the bay wouldn't you want the seat to face the water and the bay rather than face the Orme and just have people passing close by you blocking the view?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Barber on January 10, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
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I have often thought that whilst the positioning of the 'memorial' seats on the Pier may give due prominence to the tribute plaque aren't the seats the wrong way round? Especially on the side facing the bay wouldn't you want the seat to face the water and the bay rather than face the Orme and just have people passing close by you blocking the view?
A good idea in theory, but if the benches were the other way around they would probably have to take up more pier space in order to provide enough legroom.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: hiraeth on January 16, 2016, 11:35:39 AM
A Pier memory.
One of my sons used to work on the pier in his holidays (?30 years ago!) He was a rock climber and was useful to hang suspended under the pier to clean off rust and repaint. He was also asked to throw the mooring rope back onto the deck of the Isle of Man ship as it left it's mooring. Also a night watch, creepy on a wild and windy night when he took the dog for support, he didn't like the Ghost Train area very much!
He always said how pleasant all the pier staff were and would often make him a cuppa.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2016, 09:53:43 AM
I noticed yesterday that the burger/coffee kiosk at the pier entrance has been removed, I understand it is to be replaced by a large Welsh gifts/seaside fancy goods kiosk.

What was also interesting was the number of kiosks on the pier with 'to let'  signs in them, like the psychic, gifts, and photography kiosks. Obviously, trading on the pier cannot be that lucrative for some traders.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 24, 2016, 10:42:46 AM
I wonder if the lady in the psychic kiosk knows what is coming.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bosun on January 24, 2016, 11:18:21 AM
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I noticed yesterday that the burger/coffee kiosk at the pier entrance has been removed, I understand it is to be replaced by a large Welsh gifts/seaside fancy goods kiosk.

The most off-putting thing about the pier has been that burger kiosk at the entrance; running the gauntlet of that disgusting smell was awful and many people approaching the pier turned away not venturing onto the pier because of it. The only surprise is why it was allowed to continue for so long.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 25, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
I also noticed when on the Pier that MP Marine have 'set up shop' outside the Bar, in order to carry out maintenance work. Hopefully that ropey looking section of Railing by the Slide is on the list!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
Haven't been on the pier for a while, but the patch of railing hit me in the eye the other day. It seems to stand out from the rest.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 25, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
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I also noticed when on the Pier that MP Marine have 'set up shop' outside the Bar, in order to carry out maintenance work. Hopefully that ropey looking section of Railing by the Slide is on the list!

It must be Dave,  it had been removed today when I walked by.... and the area fenced off.
It's good to see those 'eyesore' areas being addressed.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on January 26, 2016, 09:03:54 AM
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I also noticed when on the Pier that MP Marine have 'set up shop' outside the Bar, in order to carry out maintenance work. Hopefully that ropey looking section of Railing by the Slide is on the list!

It must be Dave,  it had been removed today when I walked by.... and the area fenced off.
It's good to see those 'eyesore' areas being addressed.
Yes, it's good to see the Owner living up to his promise to maintain the Pier well.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on January 26, 2016, 10:19:53 AM
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I also noticed when on the Pier that MP Marine have 'set up shop' outside the Bar, in order to carry out maintenance work. Hopefully that ropey looking section of Railing by the Slide is on the list!

It must be Dave,  it had been removed today when I walked by.... and the area fenced off.
It's good to see those 'eyesore' areas being addressed.

I think you should be fenced off  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on January 26, 2016, 06:14:32 PM
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I noticed yesterday that the burger/coffee kiosk at the pier entrance has been removed, I understand it is to be replaced by a large Welsh gifts/seaside fancy goods kiosk.

What was also interesting was the number of kiosks on the pier with 'to let'  signs in them, like the psychic, gifts, and photography kiosks. Obviously, trading on the pier cannot be that lucrative for some traders.

Large rent increases by the new owner?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on January 27, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
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I noticed yesterday that the burger/coffee kiosk at the pier entrance has been removed, I understand it is to be replaced by a large Welsh gifts/seaside fancy goods kiosk.

What was also interesting was the number of kiosks on the pier with 'to let'  signs in them, like the psychic, gifts, and photography kiosks. Obviously, trading on the pier cannot be that lucrative for some traders.

Large rent increases by the new owner?

Amongst other issues, yes.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 19, 2016, 10:09:36 AM
It's great that the Pier finally has an Owner prepared to put his money where his mouth is and invest in the pier.  $good$

Llandudno pier owner on £700,000 makeover plans
05:00, 19 FEB 2016
BY OWEN HUGHES

Revamped entrance units, lighting and background music, and steelwork all part of the revamp


Work is underway to revamp the entrance of the iconic Llandudno pier as part of £700,000 of investment since new owners bought the attraction.

Tir Prince boss Adam Williams snapped up the £4.5m pier last May - promising to invest money into restoring it to its former glory.

This restoration work started last year on the pier and now they are working on a major revamp of the entrance buildings.

The units - which had rotten wooden floors - have been taken to the Tir Prince workshops in Towyn for makeovers in time for the spring season.

There are also plans to restore lighting along the attraction and pipe in background music.

Adam said: “The entrance is so important to the pier and we wanted to invest in smartening this up.

“The floors were rotten on the existing buildings so work had to be done and at the same time we are giving them a complete facelift.

“We will work on the buildings between the entrance and the arcade and this will see around £300,000 put into this alone.

“We want it to be complete for Easter.”

He said that the plan was to continue working their way down the pier, undertaking steelwork and work on the pier balustrades. They had also added new machines in the pier arcade.

He said: “The problem is that it is half a mile long!

“I said when I took over we would invest in the pier and I have not taken a penny from the business.

“Once this current work is complete we will have spent £700,000 on the site.

“A lot of the work people will not even see because it is on the pier structure.

“We hope to improve the lighting later this year and also bring in nice background music.

“We want the lighting to be like it used to be and give the whole attraction a softer touch. The work will never stop.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-owner-700000-makeover-10912397 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-owner-700000-makeover-10912397)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on February 19, 2016, 12:36:28 PM
Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 19, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
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Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music

Why there isn't any to moan about yet?
Anyhow, loads of railings are being removed and replaced at the moment, it looks really weird when they are missing...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on February 19, 2016, 02:14:08 PM
don;t go tripping
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Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 19, 2016, 02:39:43 PM
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Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music

Why there isn't any to moan about yet?
Anyhow, loads of railings are being removed and replaced at the moment, it looks really weird when they are missing...

Eeeek that looks dodgy
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on February 19, 2016, 04:30:28 PM
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Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music

But there's already music on the pier from the CD stall, arcade, etc so can't see further background music causing a problem. Plus it could also include advertising as another possible revenue stream. They could feature artists from the old Pavilion days. I'd love to see the strings of lights back going down the length of the pier. Fixing LED strips underside seemed like a good idea but most if not all have now gone out (or fallen into the sea?).
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Neil on February 19, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
I hate background music, and it's totally unnessary these days as most people can provide whatever music they like from their smartphone, I feared the new owner would come up with some naff ideas to spoil the pier, looks like I was right!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on February 19, 2016, 11:16:08 PM
I hate background music for the pier - it's been bad enough that cheesy crap has been piped out down at the end of the pier for a few years, but if we have to put up with it all the way down... i like to hear the sea myself, it's kind of what you go on a pier for??!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Jenny Jacks on February 20, 2016, 06:55:26 PM
I agree that it is good news for the town that new owner is prepared to invest so much money, and time, into the pier's future.  Good luck to Tir Prince.

As an aside, I was down the pier last weekend and I noticed that just opposite the end of  pier cafe, on the windows at the side of the amusement arcade, there was information about the live music we could look forward to -  (now I didn't have my glasses with me so I may be wrong) -  in the Summer of 2012!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 20, 2016, 08:08:57 PM
The River City Jazzmen.  &shake&

For three years, I have wondered when it would be noticed.






Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 22, 2016, 08:56:14 AM
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Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music

But there's already music on the pier from the CD stall, arcade, etc so can't see further background music causing a problem. Plus it could also include advertising as another possible revenue stream. They could feature artists from the old Pavilion days. I'd love to see the strings of lights back going down the length of the pier. Fixing LED strips underside seemed like a good idea but most if not all have now gone out (or fallen into the sea?).
When I worked on the Pier back in the 1990s, there were lampposts all down the middle the central section of pier, to which were attached speakers playing a variety of 60s music all day long!

The decorative lighting attached to the underside of the pier and the pierhead pavilion was a disaster from the start, as they didn't use LEDs, they used old style miniature filament bulbs which began to fail in the sea air almost immediately. In addition, the timers that controlled the various sections of lighting never seemed to be working correctly, so the chances of seeing the entire pier lit up as intended was pretty remote after the first couple of months!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 22, 2016, 09:00:16 AM
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Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music

Why there isn't any to moan about yet?
Anyhow, loads of railings are being removed and replaced at the moment, it looks really weird when they are missing...
It's good to see that section of timber kerb behind the Toys & Jokes kiosk is being replaced; it's been rotten for the last 10 years at least.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on February 22, 2016, 03:41:28 PM
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Lot of people moaning on facebook about the background music

But there's already music on the pier from the CD stall, arcade, etc so can't see further background music causing a problem.

When I worked on the Pier back in the 1990s, there were lampposts all down the middle the central section of pier, to which were attached speakers playing a variety of 60s music all day long!

If it's background music then I can't see it being a problem, but if it's anything louder and I have to put up with intrusive noise, all day, every day, then that will lead to a big can of worms, especially when I ask the Planners for permission to install double glazing, so that I can have some quality of life. But that's a long way down the road and so far the Pier have been good neighbours.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on February 22, 2016, 07:21:04 PM
the flats they build on the pier pavillion site will block the noise
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 22, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
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the flats they build on the pier pavillion site will block the noise
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on February 23, 2016, 06:56:19 PM
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the flats they build on the pier pavillion site will block the noise
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Can't wait for that to happen as it would drive a coach and horses through the planning regulations that prevent us from redeveloping our place into very expensive and desirable Apartments and I know of several others on North and South Parade who would be queuing up to convert as well, so be very careful when you bandy the Flats word about, you might get more than you bargained for. :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 23, 2016, 08:00:18 PM
A lot of so-called 'planning applications' seem to depend on who you are and how much you have argued with the council !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mr Tunnock on February 24, 2016, 01:35:00 AM
"lot of so-called 'planning applications' seem to depend on who you are and how much you have argued with the council !"

What a silly thing to say!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on February 24, 2016, 09:07:41 AM
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the flats they build on the pier pavillion site will block the noise
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Can't wait for that to happen as it would drive a coach and horses through the planning regulations that prevent us from redeveloping our place into very expensive and desirable Apartments and I know of several others on North and South Parade who would be queuing up to convert as well, so be very careful when you bandy the Flats word about, you might get more than you bargained for. :o
Isn't the old Doctors Surgery on the front by the Marlborough Hotel flats now? I wonder what the Planning Application said?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on February 24, 2016, 06:06:54 PM
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"lot of so-called 'planning applications' seem to depend on who you are and how much you have argued with the council !"

What a silly thing to say!

Unless you know the details, may I respectfully suggest that you refrain from making such comments !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on February 24, 2016, 07:13:44 PM
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"lot of so-called 'planning applications' seem to depend on who you are and how much you have argued with the council !"

What a silly thing to say!

Why is that?    It does go on as I've found out to my cost.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mr Tunnock on February 24, 2016, 09:25:55 PM
If there is any perceived wrongdoing by the council in refusing an application then the application can be appealed , if there is a concern regarding the granting of an application it can be referred to the local government ombudsman.
It is wrong to make remarks implying the council are in some form or another corrupt of plains vindictive.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 24, 2016, 11:13:35 PM
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If there is any perceived wrongdoing by the council in refusing an application then the application can be appealed , if there is a concern regarding the granting of an application it can be referred to the local government ombudsman.
It is wrong to make remarks implying the council are in some form or another corrupt of plains vindictive.

What about 'stupid' or 'incompetent'?   Could those adjectives be used possibly?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on February 25, 2016, 06:46:47 AM
MR tunnock, it may be wrong but one hell of a lot of folk think otherwise
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on February 25, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
Check out the Local Development Plan. It clearly lays out what can and can't be developed in this part of town.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on February 25, 2016, 04:42:23 PM
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If there is any perceived wrongdoing by the council in refusing an application then the application can be appealed , if there is a concern regarding the granting of an application it can be referred to the local government ombudsman.
It is wrong to make remarks implying the council are in some form or another corrupt of plains vindictive.

I wonder what the people in Anglesey would think of that?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mr Tunnock on February 25, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
Fester, as ever I find myself agreeing with you !
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2016, 01:08:52 PM
The entrance to the Pier is being resurfaced and tidied up at present:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on March 23, 2016, 06:02:47 PM
This is how Llandudno pier's new kiosks look after a £100,000 revamp

Kiosks have been placed back onto Llandudno Pier after a £100,000 revamp.
Owner Adam Williams took the old booths away in January because they had become rotten and needed repairs.

They have been rebuilt at the workshops at Tir Prince racetrack in Towyn over two months and a lorry and crane gently put them back into position yesterday.
Staff now face a race against time to get them ready by Easter.
Mr Williams said: “They date from the 1990s and had become rotten.
“When we lifted them the floors fell out.
“We’ve kept the roof frames but they’ve got new windows, frames and doors.”

He added: “They arrived with a crane and lorry yesterday with out cast iron pieces and now they will be put on and kitted out.

“They look fantastic. People are saying that they look clean, new and bright, and they’re so pleased some money is being spent on the pier.
“But the kiosks have to be ready for Easter. They have to start earning their money.”
Two single and two double kiosks have been brought back to the pier with one more booth yet to arrive.
 they will be used to sell food, drink and sweets from the units to customers.
Mr William also plans to sell merchandise including seagull-shaped cuddly toys to promote the Grade II listed pier.
“We all hate seagulls but they are a big part of the pier. Nobody does any toys of them.”

The present pier was built in 1877. At 2,295 feet (700m), it’s the longest in Wales and the fifth longest in England and Wales.
PHOTOS     http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-llandudno-piers-new-kiosks-11085329 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-llandudno-piers-new-kiosks-11085329)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 23, 2016, 06:29:57 PM
£100,000? Remind me to tender for any future kiosk refurbishment work... ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 23, 2016, 06:42:20 PM
Is there any sign of the public toilets in the Golden Goose opening again or have they closed for good?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SDQ on March 23, 2016, 08:55:16 PM
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£100,000? Remind me to tender for any future kiosk refurbishment work... ZXZ


Does that mean one company he owns charged another company he owns £100,000 to refurbish a few kiosks without it going out to tender to see if the costs are competitive?
Looks a bit dodgy to me, or am I just getting cynical in my old age?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on March 24, 2016, 06:55:50 AM
Tir Prince might not make much money so nice tax figures lol
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 24, 2016, 08:25:49 AM
Sounds like he has overcharged himself by a massive amount! Odd that....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SDQ on March 24, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
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Sounds like he has overcharged himself by a massive amount! Odd that....


Not if he uses it as an excuse to hike up the rent!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Daihardwelshman on March 24, 2016, 11:11:35 AM
Which i believe he has to a number of traders.....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on March 24, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
Don't forget to factor in the cost of the clean-up and resurfacing of the access way onto the pier, all that tarmac didn't come cheap and I wouldn't want to pay his manpower costs either. £100,000 seems cheap to me.  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 25, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
What about the metalwork that was taken away to be cleaned up and repainted?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 25, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
Went past the pier entrance today and the refurbed kiosks do look very smart, the double kiosks even have decorative metalwork on their roofs, which looks great.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 25, 2016, 08:23:24 PM
The entrance is all lit up as I left tonight, it looks fantastic to be fair.   $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 26, 2016, 03:51:51 PM
The Llandudno Pier website at http://llandudnopier.com/index.html (http://llandudnopier.com/index.html) could do with a lot of updating. The front page refers to the 2015 season but on the Food page they refer to the 2011 season and the Events page is badly out of date as well. And they could also do with the services of a spell checker...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 26, 2016, 03:54:46 PM
The amusement arcade at the end of the pier is still advertising the River City Jazzmen for 2012.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 26, 2016, 07:21:12 PM
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The amusement arcade at the end of the pier is still advertising the River City Jazzmen for 2012.

Surely a member of the management team should walk around the pier on a daily basis to check that everything is in order and ensure things like this are taken down straight away.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 27, 2016, 09:09:42 AM
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This is how Llandudno pier's new kiosks look after a £100,000 revamp

Kiosks have been placed back onto Llandudno Pier after a £100,000 revamp.
Owner Adam Williams took the old booths away in January because they had become rotten and needed repairs.

They have been rebuilt at the workshops at Tir Prince racetrack in Towyn over two months and a lorry and crane gently put them back into position yesterday.
Staff now face a race against time to get them ready by Easter.
Mr Williams said: “They date from the 1990s and had become rotten.
“When we lifted them the floors fell out.
“We’ve kept the roof frames but they’ve got new windows, frames and doors.”

I wonder if Mr Williams is aware that the floors are also rotten inside the gents/disabled toilets at the far end of the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on March 27, 2016, 09:26:32 AM
I was amused by this...

Quote
Textiles & Candles

One for the ladies, Fairies, Candles and so much more

Think the website needs a good proof reader.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on March 27, 2016, 09:43:23 AM
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The amusement arcade at the end of the pier is still advertising the River City Jazzmen for 2012.

Surely a member of the management team should walk around the pier on a daily basis to check that everything is in order and ensure things like this are taken down straight away.

This is a common failing in the hospitality trade. I could show you a B&B who's tariff still reads 2014. Not a good image to portray. :-X
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 27, 2016, 03:34:21 PM
The number of cars parkied outside the pier entrance and on the promenade towards the Grand Hotel this afternoon has risen to eight. Little room for any more.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 27, 2016, 03:48:31 PM
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The number of cars parkied outside the pier entrance and on the promenade towards the Grand Hotel this afternoon has risen to eight. Little room for any more.
Doesn't that have to stop after March?  I thought the Harbourmaster took action from April to October?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on March 27, 2016, 06:48:29 PM
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The number of cars parkied outside the pier entrance and on the promenade towards the Grand Hotel this afternoon has risen to eight. Little room for any more.
Doesn't that have to stop after March?  I thought the Harbourmaster took action from April to October?

No, the people working on the Pier have arbitrarily decided that the strip of what was grass on the out side of their Boundary fence now belongs to the Pier and they will Park on it if they so choose. What was grass has been so worn away over the closed season that during the renovation of the entrance it quite mysteriously got replace with loose gravel chips
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 30, 2016, 11:37:24 AM
An interesting interview with the Sheikh who owns Eastbourne Pier, about his plans to develop it.
https://www.facebook.com/sovereignfm/videos/1287378184610838/ (https://www.facebook.com/sovereignfm/videos/1287378184610838/)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier (Brighton Pier)
Post by: SteveH on April 08, 2016, 04:34:58 PM
Brighton Pier changes hands for £18m
One of the UK’s most famous landmarks, Brighton’s Palace Pier, is being sold to a bar chain run by serial investor Luke Johnson for £18m.

Last year the Grade II-listed pier made a profit before financial charges of £3.5m on sales of £13.3m last year.

To fund the deal Eclectic Bar Group plans to place up to £8.5m of new shares with investors, with Johnson, the executive chairman, subscribing for £2.5m of them.
A serial entrepreneur, Johnson and Hugh Osmond bought Pizza Express in 1993 for about £20m. The pair grew the business from 12 restaurants to more than 250 and raised the share price from 40p to more than 900p before selling in 1999.
MORE   http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/08/brighton-pier-bought-ex-pizza-express-boss (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/08/brighton-pier-bought-ex-pizza-express-boss)

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on May 09, 2016, 12:26:30 PM
It's good to see that the Llandudno Pier's website has now been updated at http://www.llandudnopier.com (http://www.llandudnopier.com) although the new logo for the Pier doesn't quite seem to match reality.

They also now have an impressive looking company van. On the Pier itself they still have 2012 information for the Pier Head Bar although, to be fair, the Jazz band is still performing.

The new entrance is much more attractive but the moving of the former shell shop seems to be a bit strange given that it now blocks the view right down the pier from the original entrance. I'm guessing this could be the likely home of the promised fish and chip shop.

For some strange reason at one time I appeared to have the Pier to myself, along with a few thousand hailstones it must have been a Bank Holiday weekend!

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on May 09, 2016, 12:56:48 PM
Great photos......and nice to see the updated web site, I did notice this in "the latest post" section ........

"2016 will see the first ever month long Christmas Market on Llandudno Pier. Dates to be confirmed"

What do you think Fester ?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 09, 2016, 01:20:05 PM
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the moving of the former shell shop seems to be a bit strange given that it now blocks the view right down the pier from the original entrance. I'm guessing this could be the likely home of the promised fish and chip shop.
I believe it's planned to be an Ice Cream Parlour.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on May 09, 2016, 01:38:42 PM
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Great photos......and nice to see the updated web site, I did notice this in "the latest post" section ........

"2016 will see the first ever month long Christmas Market on Llandudno Pier. Dates to be confirmed"

What do you think Fester ?

I try not to think Steve.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on May 09, 2016, 02:30:20 PM
It was good seeing two young lads (Jack and Lewis I think) making a go of one of the units on the Pier selling fresh fruit on skewers covered in chocolate. Hope it works out well for them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on May 09, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
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They also now have an impressive looking company van.
The new entrance is much more attractive

It would be a lot more attractive if the company van was parked in the piers car-park and not on the grass verge of the Promenade. After destroying the grass by constantly driving on and over it they actually had the cheek to cover the damage with gravel. Hopefully the new by-laws will come into effect this week and once they start getting £80 fines for illegal parking the grass might just stand a chance of re-growing and the pedestrians will get their walk-way back.
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Post by: DaveR on May 10, 2016, 08:50:50 AM
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They also now have an impressive looking company van.
The new entrance is much more attractive

It would be a lot more attractive if the company van was parked in the piers car-park and not on the grass verge of the Promenade. After destroying the grass by constantly driving on and over it they actually had the cheek to cover the damage with gravel. Hopefully the new by-laws will come into effect this week and once they start getting £80 fines for illegal parking the grass might just stand a chance of re-growing and the pedestrians will get their walk-way back.
I noticed that there are now temporary notices from the harbour master warning that parking on that area is illegal.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on May 10, 2016, 02:07:02 PM
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I noticed that there are now temporary notices from the harbour master warning that parking on that area is illegal.

It's the calm before the storm Dave. There's going to be a County Council meeting, I think it's Thursday evening, to vote on implementing new By-Laws which will give the Harbour Master the power, in law, to prosecute the few miscreants who still think it's their right to Park on the Promenade. Powers that he lacked in the past, so was hamstrunged to resolve the problem. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 11, 2016, 11:19:39 AM
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I noticed that there are now temporary notices from the harbour master warning that parking on that area is illegal.

It's the calm before the storm Dave. There's going to be a County Council meeting, I think it's Thursday evening, to vote on implementing new By-Laws which will give the Harbour Master the power, in law, to prosecute the few miscreants who still think it's their right to Park on the Promenade. Powers that he lacked in the past, so was hamstrunged to resolve the problem.
Had a peek, the new Byelaw states:

7. TRUCK, MACHINE AND VEHICLE PROHIBITION
7(1) No person shall drive, bring or cause to the brought onto the
Promenade any truck, machine or vehicle other than:
(a) a bicycle, tricycle or other similar machine;
(b) a wheelchair, pushchair or pram used solely for the conveyance of a
child or children or a disabled person; or
(c) a mechanically or electronically propelled wheelchair used solely for
the conveyance of a disabled person.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on May 11, 2016, 12:07:34 PM
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Had a peek, the new Byelaw states:

7. TRUCK, MACHINE AND VEHICLE PROHIBITION
7(1) No person shall drive, bring or cause to the brought onto the
Promenade any truck, machine or vehicle other than:
(a) a bicycle, tricycle or other similar machine;
(b) a wheelchair, pushchair or pram used solely for the conveyance of a
child or children or a disabled person; or
(c) a mechanically or electronically propelled wheelchair used solely for
the conveyance of a disabled person.


Good lets hope thats an end to the problem. Now we will have to watch and see if they are enforced.  ^^^^
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on May 11, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
Noticed two big flagpoles at the entrance to the pier did they have planning permission to erect them .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 11, 2016, 02:06:09 PM
Please remind me where exactly does the promenade begin and end?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on May 11, 2016, 02:13:26 PM
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Please remind me where exactly does the promenade begin and end?

It starts at the Little Orme and ends after the entrance to the Pier Pavilion Site at the top end of North Parade.  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 11, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
Ta.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on May 11, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
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Please remind me where exactly does the promenade begin and end?

It starts at the Little Orme and ends after the entrance to the Pier Pavilion Site at the top end of North Parade.  $walesflag$
Not precise enough, I would like the information re-stated to the exact millimetre please.  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on May 12, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
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Not precise enough, I would like the information re-stated to the exact millimetre please.  ;D

Steady on Fester, I was only taught £- s - d when I went to school  ???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on May 12, 2016, 06:21:25 PM
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I noticed that there are now temporary notices from the harbour master warning that parking on that area is illegal.

And why, pray, does the (unelected, I assume) Conwy Harbourmaster have anything to do with setting out the rules for Llandudno promenade?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Michael on May 12, 2016, 07:26:59 PM
 And going back to flagpoles. You don't need planning permission provided 1/ they are no higher off the ground than a very exact figure, I think 31 feet 6 inches. 2/ they fly only national flags of the countries where they are located.
   So there you are. As you will guess I've been down this road. I've got a couple of flagpoles and flags. Mike
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on May 13, 2016, 08:34:15 AM
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I noticed that there are now temporary notices from the harbour master warning that parking on that area is illegal.

And why, pray, does the (unelected, I assume) Conwy Harbourmaster have anything to do with setting out the rules for Llandudno promenade?
He's responsible for the Council Dept known as 'Harbour & Seaboard', 'Responsibilities of this section cover the management, supervision and control of all leisure and tourist use of the beaches, promenades and foreshore along the entire coastline of the County, including both water and shore-based activities'.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/sectionextra.asp?cat=5328&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/sectionextra.asp?cat=5328&Language=1)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on May 13, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
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And why, pray, does the (unelected, I assume) Conwy Harbourmaster have anything to do with setting out the rules for Llandudno promenade?

I agree with Dave answer and to clarify; he has nothing to do with setting out the rules that govern the Promenade but as a employee of our duly elected Council, he is empowered by them to Control and Police what happens on or in the areas under his control.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 01, 2016, 06:12:37 PM
As I walked past the Pier this morning both Flags were at half mast in remembrance of the fallen on the 100th anniversary of the start of the Battle of the Somme. What a great pity the Town Hall couldn't show the same respect.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on October 30, 2016, 09:59:53 AM
There is chat on Facebook, about the pier rides disappearing overnight and the usual speculation, anybody know whats going on?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on October 30, 2016, 02:33:19 PM
I know the facts,  it was time for them to go, same every year... the ones which are not permanent.
Why, what's the speculation??
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on October 30, 2016, 03:02:38 PM
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I know the facts,  it was time for them to go, same every year... the ones which are not permanent.
Why, what's the speculation??
The new owners bringing in their own rides from Towyn and its shameful that the ones that have been there for years being moved on.........as I said the usual Facebook unsubstantiated speculation, thanks for the facts.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on October 31, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
The ones which have been there for years, bouncy castle, slide etc.... still there!!  Only packed up for the winter just today, I was chatted to Richie, the ride owner, as he was doing it.
The 'transient' rides, here for the season for the first time, they packed up and left one week earlier, due to one of THEIR staff, NOT the Pier's staff, being implicated in that child grooming court case.
The rumours that flood around this town, I've never known anything like it!  &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on October 31, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
I am not a big fan of Facebook, to many jumping to the wrong conclusion without thinking.
Thanks again for the info. F.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on February 20, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
This vessel the NG Orion,  (NG = National Geographic) is booked to visit Llandudno Pier in early September 2017

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on February 27, 2017, 03:19:14 PM
Coastguard search after clothing found
A search was launched earlier today at 11am at the request of North Wales Police after clothing was found at the end of Llandudno Pier.
Llandudno coastguard searched the area but realised they could not effectively search the coves along the Great Orme and underneath the pier so the lifeboat was launched.
Following extensive searches around the Orme and along the North Shore to Angel Bay nothing was found so all units were stood down.
Llandudno Pier search
Just spoken to police who have given me some more details about the search around Llandudno Pier.
They were contacted at around 10.30am after reports of clothing being found. Enquiries were conducted in the area due to concerns for the safety of the owner of the clothing.
Earlier this afternoon the owner was found and reunited with the items. Police are no longer investigating.ref DP
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
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This vessel the NG Orion,  (NG = National Geographic) is booked to visit Llandudno Pier in early September 2017

Antarctic explorer vessel heading to Llandudno as resort expects to sail into tourism boost
The town could benefit from a series of planned visits over the summer

Bosses at Llandudno Pier have revealed that the world’s last working sea-going paddle steamer The Waverley will come to the resort twice this August.
This is expected to be followed by the first arrival of the National Geographic Orion vessel on September 3 as part of a cruise of the Welsh and English coastline.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/antarctic-explorer-vessel-heading-llandudno-12672017 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/antarctic-explorer-vessel-heading-llandudno-12672017)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on April 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
A 19th Century pier that was almost destroyed by fire has been voted Pier of the Year.
Hastings beat off Worthing in the competition judged by the National Piers Society (NPS), with Llandudno pier taking third place.ref BBC



Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on April 03, 2017, 01:21:48 PM
How did the Colwyn Bay Pier do in that list Steve?       ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on April 03, 2017, 04:04:26 PM
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How did the Colwyn Bay Pier do in that list Steve?       ;D
They only got half marks........... ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Tom Davidson on April 03, 2017, 07:33:05 PM
I never like "beat off" being used like that  :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on April 04, 2017, 09:24:30 AM
I thought the restoration of Hastings Pier was a missed opportunity. Instead of a recreation of the original buildings, there is a vast expanse of decking with one original curved kiosk at the entrance (originally there was a pair of them) and a small modern building halfway down the pier. Very disappointing, considering the many millions spent upon it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 07, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
Sorry, DaveR, but I do not know Mr Challinos.

In fact, I have never heard of the gentleman so I will be interested to learn more.

However, earlier this evening me and Mr R took a pleasant walk down the pier and sat down outside the amusement arcade and opposite all the full tables outside the pier bar.

In front of us were three middle-aged women enjoying a drink and a cigarette.

Anyone smoking should actually have been sitting over to our right were the pier owner has put down metal flooring as a fire precaution under the outside tables.

Never mind, we said nothing until one female finished her cigarette and dropped it onto the wooden floor beneath her.

We could see smoke rising resulting in Mrs R walking over to encourage the individual to extinguish her smouldering cigarette.

The individual was not very happy that her attention was being drawn to the fire hazard.

I stood up and reminded the individual that it was a wooden pier only to be told to 'p**s off'.

On that point, we decided to move on as we felt it was not worthwhile trying to reason any further with the group nor to involve the two young kids serving in the bar.

If Mr Adam Williams manages to read this then I hope he will provide some refresher training for his staff on the seriousness of dropping smouldering butt ends onto a dry wooden pier.

Nevertheless, I am wondering what would other forum members have done had they witnessed what we both saw?

Would you have done what Mrs R did or would you have turned a blind eye?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on April 07, 2017, 08:56:43 PM
Bri,  I lost count how many times I got told to 'p-off' and worse, by people (including heavily pregnant girls) smoking and dropping cigs on the pier.
Also, the amount of physical altercations I got into whilst asking people to clean up the s##t from their dogs, as they walked away from it is no-ones business.
Eventually, after 7 years of stress, it dawned on me..
Don't bother, it's life shortening stuff.
It's indicative of the scum that's being attracted to Llandudno these days.
You can't beat them so leave it, galling as that might be.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on April 08, 2017, 07:43:58 AM
The sort of person who ignores common sense and sensible rules is the sort of person who won't think twice about verbal abuse or even physical. Years before the smoking ban my wife and I were coming back from the States with the two kids and in the airport awaiting our transfer there was a bloke smoking in the 'no smoking' area. I was fairly jaded, anyway, so I pointed out that it was a no smoking area and as we had the two kids if he didn't stop I'd get security. He wasn't happy but stopped, anyway. But decent people usually don't want the hassle of telling people when they're in the wrong - often for very good reason.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on April 08, 2017, 09:47:34 AM
Bri. I'am afraid I have no patience for the ignorant or the stupid, and would have done the same, I do count to ten before opening my mouth, Mrs H says I need to count to fifty at least.   >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on June 21, 2017, 06:14:32 PM
Not looking good for sailings on the Balmoral this weekend.

Today and tomorrow sailings from Milford Haven cancelled due mechanical problems. Ship is now heading back up the Bristol Channel.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on June 21, 2017, 08:44:55 PM
I have heard the week end sailings are cancelled as well as at least the Monday one next week. Engine trouble apparently.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on June 30, 2017, 01:01:46 AM
Were my eyes deceiving me last week, or has the bouncy slide on the pier that used to be "£2.50 and slide as long as you like" (ok maybe it went up to £3, not sure) now "3 tokens for 3 goes" - and each token is £1. So £3 for 3 goes on a slide, when it used to get you half an hour or until you got bored.

I know the owner wnats to get money in.. but c'mon! Also noticed half the huts had no tenants.. i guess that's a sign of his rent charges?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on June 30, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
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I know the owner wnats to get money in.. but c'mon! Also noticed half the huts had no tenants.. i guess that's a sign of his rent charges?

Surely having all the 'huts' occupied at a lower rent is better than having them sitting empty at a higher rent? Shame he doesn't take the chance to refurbish them and restore features like the stained glass windows.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on June 30, 2017, 06:56:18 PM
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Were my eyes deceiving me last week, or has the bouncy slide on the pier that used to be "£2.50 and slide as long as you like" (ok maybe it went up to £3, not sure) now "3 tokens for 3 goes" - and each token is £1. So £3 for 3 goes on a slide, when it used to get you half an hour or until you got bored.

I know the owner wnats to get money in.. but c'mon! Also noticed half the huts had no tenants.. i guess that's a sign of his rent charges?

The bouncy castle, I think you'll find, is now 3 tokens, (I.e. £3)... for five minutes!
Just enough time for the child to gets shoes off.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 23, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
The Balmoral was in a position to set sail this afternoon from the end of the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 23, 2017, 09:29:21 PM
When it returned, at around 1.30pm, the tide was incredibly low.
I wasn't aware that the boat could even berth in such shallow water.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on July 23, 2017, 09:43:25 PM
Are they using the lower landing stage at that low water ,,we used to have a depth gauge fixed to the right hand side stage ,,, them fishermen wouldn't be on there in our day .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on July 23, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
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When it returned, at around 1.30pm, the tide was incredibly low.
I wasn't aware that the boat could even berth in such shallow water.

When I was by the pier in Menai Bridge today at about 12.30 pm I met an old works colleague who had booked a trip on the Balmoral  today.    It was booked for 2,00 pm and was from Menai Bridge to Red Wharf Bay and back but it looks like the Balmoral trip from Menai Bridge must have been late or cancelled altogether.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 23, 2017, 10:41:07 PM
Sorry, my mistake... I was at the pier twice today.
It was LEAVING Llandudno at about 1.30pm and the tide was high.

When it returned, at an extreme low tide, it was about 4.30pm... some 20 minutes after I'd been thrown out of Sport Direct!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 24, 2017, 07:54:06 AM
 thrown out of Sport Direct!

You can't leave it there!  ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on July 24, 2017, 08:12:36 AM
Have you been a naughty boy then Fester?      $smack$ 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on July 24, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
Hugo, re Menai Bridge,the leaflet detailing extra sailings I picked up says the 2pm departure round Red Wharf Bay was from Llandudno.

The tide was one of the lowest I have seen, even the outfall pipe opposite the Washington was exposed at about 4.30pm
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on July 24, 2017, 08:58:43 AM
It was the friend I spoke to that said that it was going to Red Wharf Bay and around Puffin Island.     Anyway I hope she had a nice sail on the Balmoral wherever it was going to
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on July 24, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
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some 20 minutes after I'd been thrown out of Sport Direct!

I've told you to stop annoying the general public with your capital punishment rantings!  $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
I got thrown out because it was closed.... and no one told me!
All the other shops around there were open til 5pm I think, so I'm in there at 4pm.
I thought it was a bit quiet, but put that down to the nice weather outside.

15 mins later, I'm merrily mincing around with a few t shirts and stuff to try on.... when an assistant said. 'What are you still doing in here?  We closed at 4pm, and I've been cashing up'

Oh, right... I'll leave these things here then.
So, I left the store, past a gaggle of annoyed looking employees in the doorway, all with arms folded... they couldn't wait to get me out.   But one of them might have said earlier??
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 25, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
You mean Sports Direct should have been more...direct?  :twoface:
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on July 25, 2017, 05:10:30 PM
I was surprised this year to find a certain well-known emporium absent from the pier. Hope Sports Direct didn't have it shut down!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2017, 07:35:35 PM
Ha, no Orme Mac.
The increasing costs on the pier meant that it was prudent to make it an online business only.
However, I was delighted to see how many of my regular customers prefer to phone me or order by mail. 
The pier is primarily a food & drink, plus rides environment now, and probably always should have been to be honest.  That's what I expect to find on seaside piers anyway!

I'm enjoying my (semi) retirement.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mike on July 30, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
So much for the token system on the pier  - Was on the pier on Saturday and overheard  the attendant on  the swing ride next to the trampolines say to two customers 3 tokens but you cant buy them from here - just give me £2 cash...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 31, 2017, 01:36:04 AM
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So much for the token system on the pier  - Was on the pier on Saturday and overheard  the attendant on  the swing ride next to the trampolines say to two customers 3 tokens but you cant buy them from here - just give me £2 cash...

Oh dear, oh dear....
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 27, 2017, 03:19:04 PM
Good news all!
MP Marine, the specialist engineering company are back at the pier.
They have around 3 months of work to do apparently.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 28, 2017, 07:59:46 AM
That looks like expensive work.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on August 28, 2017, 09:17:49 AM
Waverley in dry dock for repairs following her collision with the prom at Rothesay on Friday.
Liverpool and Llandudno trips this week are cancelled.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on August 29, 2017, 09:42:28 AM
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Good news all!
MP Marine, the specialist engineering company are back at the pier.
They have around 3 months of work to do apparently.
Good to see work taking place again.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on September 03, 2017, 10:43:38 AM
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Good news all!
MP Marine, the specialist engineering company are back at the pier.
They have around 3 months of work to do apparently.

After our recent discussion on tourism grants, I was surprised to read that the pier does not qualify.

Restoration work has started on Llandudno Pier as part of a major project to ensure its future.
This phase of work will see £150,000 spent on metal work underneath the pier - a slice of more than £1m that is earmarked on restoration work over seven years.

There could be an additional £200,000 spent this year if investigation reports on the metal work around the two entrances are unfavourable.
Owner Adam Williams said he would rather spend the money on attractions but securing the base had to the priority.
“The money is all coming from us, there are no grants involved in this.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-1m-restoration-work-13559653 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-1m-restoration-work-13559653)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 03, 2017, 01:23:33 PM
Mr Williams is eligible for another £500 from CCBC if he could be persuaded to reopen the toilets in the 'Golden Goose.'
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on September 03, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
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Mr Williams is eligible for another £500 from CCBC if he could be persuaded to reopen the toilets in the 'Golden Goose.'

That's the CCBC responsibility Bri to provide facilities for our visitors. It would cost Alan a great deal more than £500 a year to keep his toilets in the amusement arcade in a fit state for the public to use. CCBC need to look at their toilet closure program again.  The facilities on North Parade closed just to save the cleaning bill and Rates would be a good place to start especially as the one's in Happy Valley are only open if the Cafe is open.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 03, 2017, 09:19:29 PM
According to the town council's website, the pier are claiming 2 x £500 anyway.

http://llandudno.gov.uk/downloads/290615-community-toilet-scheme.pdf (http://llandudno.gov.uk/downloads/290615-community-toilet-scheme.pdf)

Which year did they close?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on September 03, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
The toilets in the arcade closed over two years ago Bri they had a sign on the door for ages ,the ones at the pier head won't last much longer real money will have to be spent on them soon .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Nemesis on September 04, 2017, 10:01:11 AM
The list of participating premises has got much shorter since the scheme was introduced.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on September 04, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
Toilets in the town seem to attract vandalism.  I remember Homebase's toilets were frequently out of action, owing to someone smashing sinks and mirrors.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on September 04, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
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The toilets in the arcade closed over two years ago Bri they had a sign on the door for ages ,the ones at the pier head won't last much longer real money will have to be spent on them soon .

From the feel of the floor some unlucky penny spender will soon disappear...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on October 29, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
This week, the UK Govt are set to announce a wide ranging review of gambling, with new curbs being imposed mainly on high st bookmakers.
But, it is also strongly rumoured that seaside arcade slot machines and coin pushers will no longer be accessible to children.
Those machines might not be so sinister compared to £100 a spin roulette machines in bookmakers, but they are a significant source of revenue for the Pier company.
I do hope this traditional pleasure doesn’t suddenly get swept away by the ‘nanny state’ govt.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: llewelyn on October 30, 2017, 01:53:43 AM
Ohh my little niece has a pounds worth of 2 pences. and loves it not planning on being a high roller.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on October 30, 2017, 08:42:12 AM
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I do hope this traditional pleasure doesn’t suddenly get swept away by the ‘nanny state’ govt.

As with most government 'initiatives', I suspect this is being driven by one of two things: potential loss of votes (unlikely) or potential cost to the exchequer, which is a far more likely issue, since those with any sort of addiction often become totally dependent on the state.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 03, 2017, 11:34:36 AM
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This week, the UK Govt are set to announce a wide ranging review of gambling, with new curbs being imposed mainly on high st bookmakers.
But, it is also strongly rumoured that seaside arcade slot machines and coin pushers will no longer be accessible to children.
Those machines might not be so sinister compared to £100 a spin roulette machines in bookmakers, but they are a significant source of revenue for the Pier company.
I do hope this traditional pleasure doesn’t suddenly get swept away by the ‘nanny state’ govt.
When I worked on the Pier, we did have local children who would spend a lot of their time playing the fruit machines and it was never something that i was comfortable with, as it was obvious that it was becoming an addiction for some of them. I've always been in favour for restricting all fruit/gambling machines (not pushers) to an over 18s area, and keeping a main 'Family Fun' area just for amusement only/redemption machines.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Quiggs on November 03, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
My son once worked in the amusement arcade on the Pier, and with a colleague decorated a cardboard box and cut a coin slot in the front, placed it amongst the other machines and at the end of the day examined it, only to find a number of coins in the bottom. Some people are so gullible  _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on November 08, 2017, 09:15:37 AM
I've noticed recently that the side entrance (toll gate) to the pier appears to be permanently closed now - does anyone know why this is?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on November 08, 2017, 09:28:27 PM
Talking today they are getting ready to change the steel along there .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 17, 2018, 11:07:45 PM
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The amusement arcade at the end of the pier is still advertising the River City Jazzmen for 2012.

Guess what?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on March 05, 2018, 11:46:57 AM
Some talk? ? that the pier will be closed for some weeks due to storm damage.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on March 05, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
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Some talk? ? that the pier will be closed for some weeks due to storm damage.
Llandudno Pier remains closed after Storm Emma battering
Emergency repairs are taking place and a specialist surveyor will inspect the structure this week
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-remains-closed-after-14371413 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-remains-closed-after-14371413)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 05, 2018, 10:51:12 PM
But will Mr. Williams be able to pay to repair the Pier whilst his business is threatened by Waldorns' folly? This could just be the beginning of the end...
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 05, 2018, 11:53:27 PM
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But will Mr. Williams be able to pay to repair the Pier whilst his business is threatened by Waldorns' folly? This could just be the beginning of the end...

.. or perhaps a new beginning, eh Dave R?    ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on March 08, 2018, 04:23:26 PM
Llandudno Pier boss says investment saved structure from Storm Emma disaster
The pier is set to reopen after repairs to the decking area but more serious damage was avoided.

"While Storm Emma caused disaster in parts of North Wales - with Holyhead marina destroyed - investment on the pier's below deck structure saved it from more substantial damage."

"We have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds since taking over the pier. It is investment people don't see and don't always appreciate."

"There has been damage to the decking but the overall structure is fine and we are preparing to reopen."
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-boss-says-investment-14383936 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudno-pier-boss-says-investment-14383936)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on March 09, 2018, 01:00:51 AM
When it reopens Friday will the half way entrance to Happy Valley be open too, or is he still holding out on that..?

Has it not been repaired so far to get more footfall on the first part of the pier so to give more reason to fight against removing kiosks for the pavilion site?? I know he says it's due to cost of fixing it.. ;) I for one like nipping up to HV and the pier, miss it with it being shut.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 09, 2018, 11:37:50 AM
That gate was closed pending repair. The repair will not take place for as long as Waldron is threatening the viability of the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 09, 2018, 05:56:02 PM
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That gate was closed pending repair. The repair will not take place for as long as Waldron is threatening the viability of the pier.

 :laugh: :laugh:

Even Adam Williams hasn’t threatened that!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on March 10, 2018, 04:35:43 PM
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That gate was closed pending repair. The repair will not take place for as long as Waldron is threatening the viability of the pier.

In other words it's a PR exercise to try and get the pavillion stopped or scaled down (or at least to keep his huts/kiosks in front of it - which are entitled to be there). I am against a giant ugly pavillion build yes, but Waldron isn't who put the ride prices up by a ton is he, £3 for 3 goes on the slide instead of having half an hour.. he should think about even putting a baby changing shelf in the loos or providing something like that, now that people can't scoot up to HV to do it in their loos when they find a 1 year old full of pooed nappy while at the end of the pier ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on March 27, 2018, 01:23:19 PM
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That gate was closed pending repair. The repair will not take place for as long as Waldron is threatening the viability of the pier.

When i went last Saturday, you could get on the pier at the original entrance, the gate was open. They'd also, at last, done up the ladies toilets!!!! (Still no baby change facilities on the pier though)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 27, 2018, 04:14:14 PM
For the past couple of weeks, the gents toilets at the far end of the pier are being done up resulting in the disabled toilet being available to everyone.

It is such a shame the toilets in the amusement arcade at the pier entrance remain closed.

All customers of the arcade and the pier food outlets have to walk half a mile to the end of the pier or walk just as far the other way to Wetherspoons.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on March 28, 2018, 01:03:34 PM
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For the past couple of weeks, the gents toilets at the far end of the pier are being done up resulting in the disabled toilet being available to everyone.

It is such a shame the toilets in the amusement arcade at the pier entrance remain closed.

All customers of the arcade and the pier food outlets have to walk half a mile to the end of the pier or walk just as far the other way to Wetherspoons.

Ask your local Counsellors Bri why are the public toilets at the top of North Parade still closed. Its not the responsibility of the pier to provide the only facilities at this end of town
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 28, 2018, 01:39:52 PM
A valid point, Blongb, except my point specifically referred to all those customers of the pier who purchase food and drink from the kiosks at the pier entrance and all those pier customers spending cash inside the amusement arcade next door.

Those pier customers have no choice but to walk unnecessarily to the far end of the pier when there are toilets available within the amusement arcade.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2018, 12:04:22 PM
I think Adam Williams might be trying a new tactic in his dealings with Waldron.   WWW

A new shop dedicated to the world of Harry Potter is coming to North Wales - and you won't have to catch the train to Hogwarts to visit it.
Llandudno Pier is set to become Diagon Alley when the Wizarding Boutique opens there later this month.

A must-visit for fans of the franchise, the store is set to bring some magic to the area as the only shop in the regions dedicated entirely to authentic Harry Potter merchandise.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/harry-potter-shop-magic-wizard-14518486 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/harry-potter-shop-magic-wizard-14518486)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 24, 2018, 09:45:44 AM
I found this at the car boot the other day.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 18, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
I came across this picture of a sea wall collapse at Llandudno Pier.
I’d never heard of this happening?
The guy’s clothing looks 1950’s or suchlike to me.
Anyone got any more information on this event?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on July 19, 2018, 08:05:15 AM
There was a collapse sometime in 1957 Fester.  I have seen a photo taken from the pier and this could be the same incident.  A section of the wall collapsed and a void appeared.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DVT on July 19, 2018, 08:47:58 AM
Good find ME ...

... Surprise Item by "Taree" ... wonder what that was?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 20, 2018, 12:59:05 AM
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There was a collapse sometime in 1957 Fester.  I have seen a photo taken from the pier and this could be the same incident.  A section of the wall collapsed and a void appeared.

Nice work Cambrian, thank you!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 20, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
I noted the comments by the Pier Owner, with regards to the cancellation of filming, and I find his explanation bizarre, to say the least. Film companies are adept at transforming locations and then returning them to their proper state without causing any damage whatsoever. Very mysterious..


Adam Williams, managing director of Tir Prince Leisure Group, which owns the pier, described the situation as a “huge shame”.

He said: “It’s really unfortunate. We were really looking forward to it.

“The safety of the pier and the potential damage that could have been caused meant that we couldn’t proceed due to the safety of the pier.

“At no point has this been a monetary issue. In fact, we were willing to lose money just to hold the filming.

“But coming up to the latter stages of last week when we were chasing the contract, it became apparent that some of the things they wanted to do, which weren’t disclosed at the start, would need to have been managed by us or not done at all.

“It’s a huge shame, but my priority is that the pier is safe for future generations.”
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2018, 12:11:08 PM
It's not always straightforward. Insurance is one major issue and film companies in general tend to have a flexible relationship with what they say at the outset and what they tend to do once on location.  Would be interesting to know the precise details.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2018, 02:23:18 PM
I've been forwarded some information - anonymously - which I'll print here:

"Adam Williams went on holiday after leaving a contract unsigned for £75k with the BBC for 4 days filming.
This would have netted him approximately £50k profit.  On his return it's alleged he demanded the sum be upped to £90k.  The film company reluctantly agreed.

It's then alleged that on the day the film cmpany trucks arrived, he pushed for another £15,000,  at which point the film company had had enough and arranged Penarth Pier within an hour of his demand.

The BBC were also going to give the four affected kiosk owners £1000 each.  They are distraught now."

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 20, 2018, 03:23:05 PM
Seems some people are so greedy they end up with nothing! How stupid, should have taken the original amount and kept it on good terms then get more filmwork in the future! Or as in this case be greedy and get nothing! 🤔
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on July 20, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
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I've been forwarded some information - anonymously - which I'll print here:

"Adam Williams went on holiday after leaving a contract unsigned for £75k with the BBC for 4 days filming.
This would have netted him approximately £50k profit.  On his return it's alleged he demanded the sum be upped to £90k.  The film company reluctantly agreed.

It's then alleged that on the day the film cmpany trucks arrived, he pushed for another £15,000,  at which point the film company had had enough and arranged Penarth Pier within an hour of his demand.

The BBC were also going to give the four affected kiosk owners £1000 each.  They are distraught now."

What have the BBC got to do with it? They aren't financing it, Sounds like a load of nonsense to me  :-X
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2018, 09:02:42 AM
Whatever the truth the fact is the production company upped sticks and headed to Penarth which hadn't originally been planned. I'm amazed they went ahead and set up in Llandudno in the first place without contracts being signed to cover all the locations they wanted to use. Sounds like a game of poker that was won by someone who wasn't even sat at the table.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 21, 2018, 03:24:15 PM
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Whatever the truth the fact is the production company upped sticks and headed to Penarth which hadn't originally been planned. I'm amazed they went ahead and set up in Llandudno in the first place without contracts being signed to cover all the locations they wanted to use. Sounds like a game of poker that was won by someone who wasn't even sat at the table.

I am not sure anybody won,  most of all Llandudno,
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2018, 04:51:59 PM
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Whatever the truth the fact is the production company upped sticks and headed to Penarth which hadn't originally been planned. I'm amazed they went ahead and set up in Llandudno in the first place without contracts being signed to cover all the locations they wanted to use. Sounds like a game of poker that was won by someone who wasn't even sat at the table.

I am not sure anybody won,  most of all Llandudno,

Penarth?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on July 21, 2018, 05:03:56 PM
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Penarth?

Not really as the pier there is supposedly being closed for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on July 21, 2018, 05:06:51 PM
I forgot about Penarth.........................

FILM CREW EJECTED FROM LLANDUDNO PIER TAKES OVER PENARTH PIER
Posted on July 18, 2018      Penarth's on-line daily news service

There appears to be escalating chaos around the filming of a Judi Dench, Eddie Izzard movie called “Six Minutes to Midnight” – being apparently being filmed partly in Penarth and partly in Llandudno,
Requests by  the film crew to carry out “structural alterations” to Llandudno Pier were refused by the firm that owns the pier and filming work is said to have “come to an abrupt end

As a result scenes which were to have been filmed in Llandudno are to be shot on Penarth Pier – further limiting access to Penarth Pier for local residents and visitors.

This morning the Vale of Glamorgan Council issued a brief and unexpected press release saying that Penarth Pier would be closed from today Wednesday July 18th until Saturday July 21st.  It’s most unusual for such minimal notice to be given of the closure of a major public facility.

The release also stated that businesses on Penarth Pier would be able to claim compensation for loss of business during the closure . The Vale Council has said that “any businesses affected by this will be compensated by the production company” [i.e not from the council]

Meanwhile the Six Minutes to Midnight film crew – a massive caravan of some 40 trucks – is pulling out of Llandudno and returning to Penarth to carry on filming .
The irony is that the production company making the film Mad as Birds Ltd is based in Llandudno.

https://penarthnews.wordpress.com/2018/07/18/penarth-pier-to-be-closed-for-the-rest-of-this-week/
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2018, 11:03:19 AM
There is more than the short term benefits of a cash injection to consider when it comes to film locations. There can be a long term benefit too, particularly if the film is a box office hit, as visitors want to see the places for themselves. I'm sure it helps if it's an obvious landmark too.
I bet Penarth will benefit from extra foot traffic on their pier. A missed opportunity in Llandudno that's for sure. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on July 22, 2018, 11:16:40 PM
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I've been forwarded some information - anonymously - which I'll print here:

"Adam Williams went on holiday after leaving a contract unsigned for £75k with the BBC for 4 days filming.
This would have netted him approximately £50k profit.  On his return it's alleged he demanded the sum be upped to £90k.  The film company reluctantly agreed.

It's then alleged that on the day the film cmpany trucks arrived, he pushed for another £15,000,  at which point the film company had had enough and arranged Penarth Pier within an hour of his demand.

The BBC were also going to give the four affected kiosk owners £1000 each.  They are distraught now."

Your anonymous source failed to inform you of all the extra demands that the film crew required to be carried out, at the last minute, before they started to film and which hadn't been agreed to in the unsigned contract. All the benches removing plus the removal of the fire main pipe work plus the shutting down the pier to the General Public for up to 4 days. The amount of money the Production Company were willing to pay would not have covered Adam Williams losses. Let Penarth have the disruption, they're welcome to it.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on July 23, 2018, 12:11:52 AM
Let me add a bit to this BlongB, and correct part of what you’re saying.
It’s well over a month ago that Simon told me personally that the pier was going to be closing for four days in July for filming.   From the Happy Valley gates upwards.  That’s long been known.  In fact Simon broadcast it on his Facebook page round about that time.
He’d told the four affected concessions before he told me, as he was also looking into the possibility of compensation for them.
Fast forward a couple of weeks, and the concessions were aware that about half the benches would have to be moved.  Those nearest the 2 caravan sales kiosks.   That was annoying because they normally store them in the arcade in winter, but couldn’t in high season.
I don’t know anything about the water pipe that supplies the bar, toilets and cafe though.
An easy thing to edit out I would have thought, just like the wind farm was going to be.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on July 25, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
To add to fester's comments, I spoke to a current concessionaire the other day and they said that they had been told many weeks ago that the pier was to be closed for a week for filming in July.

I note the comments from Vale of Glamorgan Council re the closure of the pier for filming:

Councillor John Thomas, leader of the Vale of Glamorgan council , said: “We see this as an excellent opportunity to allow one of the Vale’s most iconic landmarks to be featured in a production which is likely to attract a large audience.

"It is also an excellent income opportunity for the council which, given the current financial climate, we could not turn down.

“Businesses who have had to close for this period will be suitably compensated for the disruption and we hope that in the long-term, it will attract more visitors to the area.”


Funny how the film production company could make sure of Penarth Pier without damaging it???
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on August 02, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
Mr Williams is a money man,end of
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mike on August 09, 2018, 09:16:02 PM
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So much for the token system on the pier  - Was on the pier on Saturday and overheard  the attendant on  the swing ride next to the trampolines say to two customers 3 tokens but you cant buy them from here - just give me £2 cash...
Was back there again last week with my daughter, now 4 tokens (£4) for about 5 mins - gone up 33% in 1 year!! of four trampolines mostly had 1 or 2 children using it. Same on other rides.
Drop the prices and fill them up! 1 x £4  is only £4 income, better 4x£2 or 3x£3
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2018, 09:52:51 PM
Agreed Mike, yes, I’ve been on the Pier a lot this last couple of weeks, but I can’t believe how quiet the rides are.
Now I realise why.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on August 09, 2018, 10:08:21 PM
I noticed today pier was packed but you were lucky to see two kids on a ride , as we've said before fester folks haven't got a lot to spend when they get here ,drop the price more would go on the rides .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: born2run on August 10, 2018, 12:04:28 PM
To be fair isn't it more to do with the average age of a pier dweller being closer to 80 than 8?
I rarely see young families in Llandudno, there isn't a lot here for them.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 10, 2018, 02:02:46 PM
That's fair comment. Very few families with young kids around.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: wrex on August 11, 2018, 04:02:46 PM
no beach,no cinema,no nothing x
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 11, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
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That's fair comment. Very few families with young kids around.

Yet, I see quite a crowd gathered in front of Punch and Judy several times a day?
Watching.... but not so much spending!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on August 26, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
Paddle Steamer Waverley is due Llandudno Tuesday and Wednesday 28/29th.

Visit could be in doubt. She broke down with boiler problems yesterday on a cruise to Rothesay and after anchoring for 4 hours is now alongside in Greenock for repairs. Watch this space.

Report on BBC Scotland.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mull on August 27, 2018, 06:35:43 PM
Waverley visit now looking interesting.

AIS shows her arriving Largs at 1827. Impossible for her to reach Liverpool in time for a cruise departing at 1000 hours tomorrow.

Destination has now been changed from Liverpool to Llandudno.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Mike on August 27, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:182650/mmsi:232001540/In my humble opinion:5386954/vessel:WAVERLEY (https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:182650/mmsi:232001540/In my humble opinion:5386954/vessel:WAVERLEY)

Off the Isle of Arran..
About 170 miles to run to Llandudno
At current speed of about 14 knots she has 12 hours to run, so could be in Llandudno Bay tomorrow morning after 8am
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Got here at last!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1863/43416513825_3de20654e8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/299yYXc)The Waverley (https://flic.kr/p/299yYXc) by Dave Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/131256186@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 28, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
As a child my parents took me to the Isle of Man on one of the day trip steamers. They seemed noticeably larger but then;  I was noticeably smaller.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Blongb on August 28, 2018, 04:54:35 PM
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As a child my parents took me to the Isle of Man on one of the day trip steamers. They seemed noticeably larger but then;  I was noticeably smaller.

Look up Maid of Mann Ian, one of the regulars on the Llandudno I.o.M. run.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on August 28, 2018, 05:17:44 PM
I've not heard of the maid of Mann don't remember that one , manxman  monas isle  snaefell  Tynwald  King Orry came a few times .you would have 1.000 + most trips .
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2018, 06:05:40 PM
I remember going there in 1968 but can't remember the name of the boat and I think that the cost was £1.50.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 28, 2018, 08:04:41 PM
It was Mona's Isle, I believe.  That was the SS doing the Llandudno - Isle of Man run during the '50s and '60s.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on August 28, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
i went in 1964 the car and four passengers £10 return but i thought it was on the ManxMaid, i could be wrong
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on August 28, 2018, 11:46:44 PM
it was£7-10Shillings for a weeks bed and breakfast for me and the wife, i still have the bill.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2018, 07:36:26 AM
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i went in 1964 the car and four passengers £10 return but i thought it was on the ManxMaid, i could be wrong
How could you get the car on the boat from Llandudno?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Cambrian on August 29, 2018, 08:22:24 AM
There were eight of the "Classic" IoMSPCo's vessels still sailing in the period being recalled.  For example, the first week of June 1972 saw

Snaefell
Manxman
Mona's Isle
King Orry

all call at Llandudno on various sailings from/to Douglas and Liverpool.


Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on August 29, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
Paddle steamer Waverley docks safely in North Wales just days after breaking down in Scotland.

DP article with video and 18 photo gallery.   
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/paddle-steamer-waverley-docks-safely-15084921 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/paddle-steamer-waverley-docks-safely-15084921)

The first photo, deck looks very crowded.                             
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: mondie on August 29, 2018, 10:14:03 PM
Nice photo Dave. Would loved to have seen it in person, looks like a classic old boat
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on August 29, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
sorry Dave should have said we sailed from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 30, 2018, 12:30:06 AM
710 passengers on SS Waverley today.
The Captain said the capacity was 820.
You wouldn’t believe it would you?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on August 30, 2018, 12:37:28 AM
Are you sure you aren’t all thinking of the Lady of Man?   She was huge!
Here she is at the Pier Head .... Llandudno.

Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 30, 2018, 08:54:15 AM
She wasn't built until '76. As a kipper I was taken on in the early '60s.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 30, 2018, 10:14:52 AM
You were a kipper? 😅
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Ian on August 30, 2018, 10:39:58 AM
I wuz!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: snowcap on August 30, 2018, 11:11:52 PM
something fishy there Hugo
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on December 12, 2018, 10:02:34 AM
Indirect pier news...................

One of Wales's top foodie pubs has been bought by well known businessman - who lives next door
Pier owner Adam Williams has snapped up his own local - the Kinmel Arms in St George.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/kinmel-arms-st-george-pub-15537698 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/kinmel-arms-st-george-pub-15537698)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 24, 2019, 03:07:45 PM
Good news!
I’ve been told today that the green light has been given to get the extensive repairs done to the pier near the Happy Valley gates.
It will begin quite soon, but it will mean quite serious disruption throughout the summer season, for approximately four months.
Access is likely to be quite severely restricted because it’s a major job to pull up a large stretch of decking, then the beams underneath, and then replace the steel girders underneath that.
It also involves taking the side railings off the pier.
However, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, so let’s be thankful it’s getting done!
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: OrmeMac on March 24, 2019, 04:59:13 PM
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Good news!
I’ve been told today that the green light has been given to get the extensive repairs done to the pier near the Happy Valley gates.
It will begin quite soon, but it will mean quite serious disruption throughout the summer season, for approximately four months.
Access is likely to be quite severely restricted because it’s a major job to pull up a large stretch of decking, then the beams underneath, and then replace the steel girders underneath that.
It also involves taking the side railings off the pier.
However, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, so let’s be thankful it’s getting done!

Wonder if that means the Pier's owner has come to an arrangement over the Pavilion redevelopment as he said he wouldn't do work on the pier till he knew its future was secure.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: Fester on March 24, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
No, no arrangement.
It’s a straightforward business decision.
If he didn’t get it fixed, then the Health and Safety Guys, and the fire brigade were likely to force him to limit the amount of people allowed on the pier.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: norman08 on March 25, 2019, 10:35:46 AM
You are right Fester we did the steel and decking along from your old kiosk and the bend to the grand in the early 70 s, that part they will be doing takes a battering so has to be done, that work doesn't come cheap either.
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: DaveR on March 25, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
I noticed that some of the lighting mounted on the handrails by the Play Area has recently been replaced. It looks as though the original cast iron standards (dating back to 1876) have been sawn off and replaced with what looks like scaffolding poles with a light stuck on top?
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: SteveH on June 14, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
One for the young ones.

CBeebies favourites Dr Maggie Aderin-Pocock, Chris Jarvis and Robert the Robot were in the region earlier this week shooting a one-off special episode of Stargazing.
The mini-series introduces children to the wonders of the night sky and the universe.

Some of the locations included on the cable cars of the the Great Orme, the town's beach and Llandudno Pier, where they set up their 'mission control' , the episode, which is that's due to be aired next month.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cbeebies-been-filming-special-episode-16425218 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cbeebies-been-filming-special-episode-16425218)
Title: Re: Llandudno Pier
Post by: pebbles on July 12, 2019, 01:49:06 PM
Just put my question about the pier in the pavillion thread accidently..

but as well as that, don't miss cbeebies next friday for stargazing, all filmed on Sunday 9th June :)