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Maybe? The promenade here used to be a dead end just outside the what was later the Rhos Abbey hotel - the grounds of the Rhos Fynach extended all over what is now the Rhos point area. The red brick Rhos Abbey Hotel itself was built on what was once the farmyard of the Rhos Fynach;
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Any ideas on the date of those last two pics, Trojan? I'd say 1940s, maybe? My Dad used to work there as a lad, looking after the Roller Skates apparently.
Trojan---are you sure about the date on your recent photograph showing a Pyes horse drawn coach. You mention circa 1910. To me this looks as if it was taken in the main garage in Penrhyn Avenue, you can clearly see the tram standard. In any event Pyes only came to Rhos around 1929, before that they were in Heswall on the Wirral. I am reasonably sure that this is a photo of the coach and horses that John Pye purchased from a film studio around 1947 and the photo would be around that time. Mike
Your stories are always great, Mike! *&(
Excellent pics Dave. Do you still have the ones of the old John Garstang depot and the brewery distribution depot in Everard Road......Westwells I seem to remember?I do, mate, and here they are....
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Fester wanted to see a photo of Rhos Pier, so here it is:
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Does anyone remember a kiosk selling sweets and ice cream right at the Colwyn Bay end of the promenade? Would have been in the 50`s or am i just making it up?Whereabouts are you thinking of?
Right at the far end of the prom at OLD Colwyn, by the arches.Yes, I remember one there in the 70s and early 80s.
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At the front of Nino's there is a black door which is sometimes open, if deliveries are being made, and you can see the outline of the original windows of the chapel.I know the door you mean, will have a nose the next time I'm passing.
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Aerial view of Rhos from 1934:
it looks delicious but I am always wary about cooking mussels for myself, if they are on the menu I will always choose them though
Does anyone remember a kiosk selling sweets and ice cream right at the Colwyn Bay end of the promenade? Would have been in the 50`s or am i just making it up?
Trojan---I think this is the first time I have commented on any of your posts. So, thanks for the mention in another thread of me being an (ex) coach driver. Makes me feel important when folk I know very little about know about me LOL But, now, I'll take a deep breath before typing, Ive had enough of rows in this forum. Your first picture of the fishing weir--spot on. The second one, no. It doesent show it clearly at all, actually it is right out of sight around the bend at the top. Mike P.S. Now to await a storm of abuse from everyone for picking holes in a senior posters comments
The second one, no. It doesent show it clearly at all, actually it is right out of sight around the bend at the top.
weir and peir are clearly seen in this aerial shot from 1934 http://stwnsh.com/2nd (http://stwnsh.com/2nd)
Makes me feel important when folk I know very little about know about me LOL
I thought there were weirs on both sides of Rhos Point.You were right. $good$ There was another, smaller, weir on the beach in front of the Cayley Promenade, about level with the Breakwater. At low tide, you can clearly see a rectangular type pool surrounded by rocks.
I thought there were weirs on both sides of Rhos Point.You were right. $good$ There was another, smaller, weir on the beach in front of the Cayley Promenade, about level with the Breakwater. At low tide, you can clearly see a rectangular type pool surrounded by rocks.
Now, to the important query about the photograph of an elegant gentleman. I am going to "chicken out" on this, for the time being at any rate. My excuse, which I use often, is I'm not good at remembering faces. Mind you, I also use the excuse of being good on faces and rubbish on names!
First, to the weirs. Yes, Dave is right. But how the devil he knows seeing as he wasent even born when the Colwyn Bay end weir (for want of a better name) was still visable defeats me. I saw the catchment pool and the "sticks" as a kid, but I never ever heard of it being a weir.The Colwyn Bay Weir was owned by Mr. Whitehall Dodd in the 19th Century. In 1866, a 'Salmon Law' was passed, which required that all such Weirs be dismantled, unless it could be proved that they dated back to the reign of James I. Mr Parry-Evans, the owner of the Rhos Fynach Weir, luckily found the original Charter for the Weir in an old chest in Rhos Fynach and so was able to prove its right to stay. Mr. Whitehall Dodd was not so lucky, and the Colwyn Bay Weir was dismantled shortly afterwards.
By the way, are there two "Rhos on Sea" threads going on in the forum at the same time. Could a moderator have a look at this, I ended up in another thread looking for these replies. MikeThere are two threads - this is the thread for discussions of times past, whilst the other thread is for modern discussions etc. :)
OOOhhh!!! Bl----- H---. My excuse is that I hav'ent looked into those eyes (and then through a mirror) for, give or take a year, 64. Thats it, years, not weeks or months. Need I say more. Looks good, does'ent he. Mind you, he always used to say I looked good after he had scalped me. Mike P.S. Might I ask how and why you have a photo of Mr Ledder of Colwyn Avenue barbers shop.
I seem to recall having my hair cut in a barbers near the Railway Statin in Colwyn Bay.The one by the side entrance to the old Indoor Market? I used to go there as a kid as well. It's still open today.
too youngNot a phrase often used in reference to me these days, sadly. :laugh:
So, Waffagolf, you have old Rhos connections as well as one or two other forum members.
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Yes---thats it---I'm sure now. Trojan, you mention Jessie Pye. Well, I know him very, very well, and now I remember him showing the original of this photo to me. The actual coach was probably cica 1910 as you said, but the photo was taken around 1950. The man standing to the right hand side of the photo (left of the coach) was the original Jonnie Pye himself. He bougfht this coach, and horses, and a very long post horn etc etc from a film studio in London, with the idea of plying for hire along the prom in the Bay. Needless to say, the Council squassed the idea well and truly. It would have been competition for their small bus service. Just as a matter of interest, especially to anyone interested in bus transport, in the centre of Heswall is a Pub namewd "The Johnnie Pye". Its a new, gastro theme pub, and is full of old photos of Pyes buses from the 1920's, fleet lists, timetables etc.etc. Reason being is has been built on the site of the old bus station which Mr Pye operated before selling out (being bullied into selling) by Crosville. When the pub was opened around 15 years ago, the brewery tried to find any relative of Johnnie, and they traced Jessie in Old Colwyn. They wanted him to open it!!!! If Jessie reads this (unlikely) he wont mind my saying that he has spent a very large part of his life inside a pub. He never got to opening one before. Mike
:laugh: I remember that seat, and his electric clippers making my eyes water when they pulled the hairs out on the back of my neck.
I seem to recall having my hair cut in a barbers near the Railway Statin in Colwyn Bay.The one by the side entrance to the old Indoor Market? I used to go there as a kid as well. It's still open today.
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The Pier at Rhos On Sea under construction in 1895:
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I feel rather ill after seeing these photos of Rhos pier.
I don't want to start repeating myself but I think I am bound to have written on the forum at some time about how we kids tightroped over a substantial
gap in the planking by walking one foot in front of another on the side girders, about one foot wide.
One slip and a virtual certain death on the rocks below.
It's amazing what we did when we were kids, as Quigg's wartime memoirs clearly reminded us.
For my part, I remember vividly playing on our school roof.
In reply to Tilly, no. The Rhos Post Office was originally at the end of the short cul de sac to the right of the Cayley pub on the prom. Not sure what is there now, despite the fact that I drive past there twice a day every day. Probably keeping my eyes on the traffic around the pedestrian crossing.Good info, Mike. $good$ To add a couple of things...
For many years after the P.O.moved there was still a telephone kiosk in this little entry. It was left behind after the move. It was common prewar practice to have a phone box outside a post office.
The P.O. moved to approx two doors to the right of the present cafe Ninos or Dinos? It was on two levels, half way inside you went up around 4/5 steps to reach the counter.
At another later date, probably in the 1970s it moved again to its present position. I am a bit vague about this because at that time I lived in Rhyl and did not see much of Rhos. But it apparently moved next door, one further step towards Penrhyn Avenue. Seems unlikely, but I suppose there must have been some advantage. Maybe it gave them further depth.
By now they must be close to Charlies fresh fish shop, or maybe in it. If Charlie was still alive he would be around 130 years old. When I get a chance and spot a vacant parking space close I will have a better look from across the road which should help my memory of seventy plus years ago. If so I will post it on the forum.
You used to be able to see the slight outline of the old Weir at Rhos up until a few years ago.
Found a thread about Rhos that was on the ill fated Colwyn Bay local forum - think it was from August 2009. Some good info in there:
Don't know much about Westwells - can anyone fill in the gaps?
ajm wrote:
3 greengrocers
2 butchers
2 bakers 1 - Pinningtons (Trojan)
1 convenience store The Co-Op (Trojan)
1 frozen food store
1 art shop
2 newsagents
3 cafes 2 - Nino's, Fortes'? (Trojan)
1 deli
1 post office
1 chip shop
2 seaside gift shops
1 chocolate shop
1 estate agent - Bryan Davies & Associates
1 wool/haberdashers
1 jewellers
1 shoe shop
1 bike shop
1 hardware store
1 tyre fitters - Was it ATS? Yes (Trojan)
1 off licence
1 dried flower shop
1 hairdressers The Windsor (Trojan)
Ok, I'll try and answer some of these based on around 1977 to 1988
3 greengrocers - arundales on the corner, belmont - Colwyn avenue (now a dentist & later became Rosies wool and baby linen and then I think a shoe shop?) and another on Penrhyn Avenue (opposite the "old" Fortes)
2 butchers - Colwyn Avenue (now a beauty salon) & Bill Jenkins (now a charity shop)
2 bakers - Pinningtons and Tudor Bakery (now an Italian)
1 convenience store - The Co-op but poss. another one - where Penrhyn House is? Maybe it was called Pryce's?
1 frozen food store - Freezrite
1 art shop - ran by Mr and Mrs Hughes where the Copper Kettle is now
2 newsagents - originally Lennie's (who also had a booth on Llandudno pier) then taken over by the couple who owned one where the sandwich shop is now on Rhos Road. Lennies was were the estate agent is on Colwyn Ave.
3 cafes - Fortes, Nino's and the gem tea rooms (still a tea room I believe) used to be the gem tea rooms and a gem shop where ID hair is
1 deli - Sheards - where the tea room next to Pinningtons is?
1 post office - still there!
1 chip shop - still there but originally only the chip shop and not the cafe - used to be ran by the Wainwrights
2 seaside gift shops - 1 ran by Anthony Chorlton (?) who I believe still has a shop on upper mostyn street, Llandudno - the shop in rhos is now the clothes shop by the zebra crossing, the other gift shop was what is now the chip shop cafe on Colwyn Avenue, later became Rosie's wool and baby linen before that moved to Belmont greengrocers
1 chocolate shop - I believe this was what is now the "extension" to Bryan Davies?
1 estate agent - Bryan Davies
1 wool/haberdashers - Irene, Penrhyn Avenue
1 jewellers - Beardsalls
1 shoe shop - Rhos Road, still there but I forget the name!
1 bike shop - run by Ron Holland, I remember it in 2 locations, on the corner of Colwyn Avenue/Rhos Road and also on the corner of Rhos Road/Everard Road
1 hardware store - Butler and Timmis is absolutely right! It was run by Mr Fielding
1 tyre fitters - don't remember the name but now Lily Lace
1 off licence - B & J wines, Colwyn Avenue - now a charity shop
1 dried flower shop - now the Chinese take away on Colwyn Avenue - but who remembers the name?
1 hairdressers - The Windsor
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The haberdashers in Penrhyn Avenue was owned and run by Mrs Irene Keeling. I went out with her daughter Janet before I joined the Army in 1973! :D
If you have the entire guide book, Steve, we could add it to the gallery in here. Looks quite a find.I am sitting on two undated guide books and family photos relating to Rhos going back as far as 1890.....
Excellent. More...Thankyou Ian, I am having a hard time, the quality of my scans seem poor, especially with the wording, spent most of this afternoon trying to adjust, without much success , all advice accepted.
Hello Ian and what next instalment are you awaiting? Do you mean about Pyes?
There is a lot of "survey" work going on along the Marine Drive towards Old Colwyn. Different vans, mostly sign written.There was a guy on a quad bike surveying the beach below the Cayley prom a few weeks ago.
My guess is that it is something to do with the proposed tidal barrage which is suggested might go from Rhos pint to Prestatyn. The proposed one in Swansea looks as if it is going ahead. If that is successful then here will be the next. But don't expect anything for very many years in the future
I know its rather late in the day to comment about a previous post from year 2009. But it is on this page, and I've only just read it. I haven't got the time to pick holes in it or contribute anything to it, but I must just mention that "butchers===two" and goes on to describe them. How could who wrote it have possibly missed Cutlers Butchers in Everard Road. It was there, definitely, in 1936 and it is still (at least up to about a couple of months ago) there as a butchers. It is now the last shop on the right going from Rhos Road. Ran for years by Ray Cutler. Brother of Syd Cutler who ran the butchers in the West end of the bay.Its called Humphreys Butchers now, I think.
I won't bother digging deeper into the past. Time for bed
Remember the Pye coach well.
We lived at the north end of Liverpool 1940/50s, and every so often the villagers from Penrhynside would have a day trip to Liverpool.
My mother would take me to meet my nain off the coach.
If I remember right the women went off round the shops and the men headed for Goodison Park or Anfield.
Happy days. :)
Hello Ian and what next instalment are you awaiting? Do you mean about Pyes? Or SteveH mentioned more shots of old Rhos but he has put them in a different thread, Rhos times past. Mainly of Colwyn Crescent which I knew very,very well. But funnily enough I didn't know that many people who lived there. Frank Westwell younger brother of Herbert Westwell, the bottling store owner is the only one I can name.
could you please redirect recent posts and photos to this thread. Many Thanks...Steve.
Hello SteveH. Your "Pyes" photo, and you write "one for me." So here goes.
This coach was one of two purchased by Pyes around 1948. They were both outstanding for their time for a variety of reasons, all of them way out in front of development after the sterile war years.
First, the reg numbers. gUN 1 and GUN 2. This was years before anyone thought number plates were of any value. UN and CA were both letters showing they came from Denbighshire.
Next to the engines. Foden 16 cylinder two stroke engines. Wait for the gasp of breath from anyone who has any clue as to what I am writing about. The noise they emitted was completely distinctive. A high pitched high revving noise, once heard never forgotten. Not at all loud just unique.
Third the dorsal fin on the roof. For ventilation. In 1948 the average person couldn't even spell ventilation, never mind know what it was and witness it being put into a coach.
Some fantastic classic vehicles there....$thanx$....... keep watching this space, a lot more to come.
DVT, I think that the Princess Cinema is now Wetherspoons in Princess Drive. I'm not too familiar with the Bay so I don't know if there was a cinema where the garage is now.Some info from the Civic Soc.
Interesting documentary about the recent history of Colwyn Bay:Very good find D. lots of lessons to be learned....and some good links from that site $good$
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1le5tXu4wY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1le5tXu4wY)
the best was in Colwyn Bay's West end, where the original cinema had been converted into a bingo hall downstairs and a cinema up. That was an outstanding conversion. The colossal screen was set back from the front row of the steeply raked seating, and 16 channel sound was installed, ensuring not only an immersive experience for the patrons but with the best viewing angles of anywhere. Naturally, it was too good to last and was sold for retirement flats.It was originally built as the ODEON by J. Arthur Rank, then sold off to Hutchinson Leisure Group in the late 60s, who renamed it the ASTRA. I remember how large the auditorium was, even through the original Stalls area had been converted into a Bingo Hall. Saw Star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back there.
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I think that the name of the cinema that DVT mentioned which was on the site of the petrol station in Princess Drive, Colwyn Bay was the Wedgewood (formerly the Arcadia), which is also remembered for Genesis playing there in 1971. I can remember that very close by in those days were two big garages, Chester Engineering, the Vauxhall/Bedford main dealers, and also Hollingdrakes, the Standard/Triumph and Jaguar main dealers of that time.The Petrol Station occupies the site of Chester Engineering. The Wedgewood Cinema was where the one storey extension to the Post Office now is.
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Good to see the Pirates posters and programme. There have been two versions of the Pirates that were superb: the Broadway version eventually on film, with Kevin Kline and Angela Lansbury and the best I've ever seen - the Australian version by Essgee Entertainment and filmed in 1994. Probably the nearest to the original spirit of the G & S work and incredibly funny to boot.Thanks Ian, there are about a dozen other good (named) photographs I will post at a later on.
That was a winter and a half. I remember it very well. The river at the Foryd in Rhyl froze over, and I could write about half a dozen unbelievable occurrences between early January and mid March when overnight, the big thaw arrived.I remember 63 as well Mike, the year I started my first stint with the Cairngorm mountain rescue team, talk about going in at the deep end, anyway what about the rest of your winter stories......
The rest of my winter stories? I'm a bit lost. I didnt know I had any, never mind the rest.
I have some photos that suggest there was an event in Rhos called "Queen of the Roses" with the Queen named "Alice" and possible a fun parade, the date on the photos is 1927
Has anyone any further information.
This is superb stuff, Steve. Do keep it coming.
Hollins You really have a wonderful archive there SteveH. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.
I forgot to mention above, that part of the commemorative scroll, allowed a space for a picture of Jack's silver collar, I think it might be part of the Colwyn Bay council's silver collection held at the Civic Centre, but I cannot find any reference to it, it would be interesting to see it.
The last owner of the weir, one John Parry Evans, trained terrier dogs to retrieve salmon from the weir. The first dog he trained, Jack, was so admired that he was awarded with a silver collar and became a popular tourist attraction. Unfortunately he died in 1873 after receiving fatal injuries from another shark trapped in the weir! The weir fell into disuse during World War I, and regrettably its stakes were later removed as a danger to boats."
Courtesy of the WSF forum (http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/)
if its in print (and include the internet) then it is there for all time. And in time will be taken as being fact.
Two more photos of Rhos....the first you can pick out landmarks .....Rhos County Garage, the Princess etc. no swimming pool.That first aerial photo is fantastic, SteveH. $good$
The second shows both piers and the swimming pool.........
$thanx$ Dave, It does "zoom" in very well, and I can pick up a lot of detail, even using an old JASC pro 7 paint shop, but I am having a lot of trouble with print, any advice ?Two more photos of Rhos....the first you can pick out landmarks .....no swimming pool.That first aerial photo is fantastic, SteveH. $good$
The second shows both piers and the swimming pool.........
$thanx$ Dave, It does "zoom" in very well, and I can pick up a lot of detail, even using an old JASC pro 7 paint shop, but I am having a lot of trouble with print, any advice ?When you say print, what exactly do you want to do?
So I wrote to either the author or the publishers, I don't remember which. I got the distinct impression that they were not overjoyed overthe news!!A good few years ago I bought a Pathfinder Guide Edition Ordinance Survey "Snowdonia, Anglesey and the Lleyn Peninsula" walking handbook and found it very informative and helpful but on one particular walk a "take the left-hand fork" instruction should have read "take the right-hand fork". The mistake was fairly immediately obvious when you were walking the route and I mentioned it to the man in the bookshop the next time I was in there. He said "Why don't you drop them a line, I'm sure they would appreciate it, you might even get a voucher towards a new book!".
Printed material, I have some old guide books, when I scan them, they are unreadable or some have to be enlarged to a ridiculous size, some of my previous postings are on the big side ! ! I have no adjustment on my scanner, and do what I can on the above mentioned JASC.$thanx$ Dave, It does "zoom" in very well, and I can pick up a lot of detail, even using an old JASC pro 7 paint shop, but I am having a lot of trouble with print, any advice ?When you say print, what exactly do you want to do?
Does the Scanner have any software to control it, whereby the size of the scan can perhaps be altered?Printed material, I have some old guide books, when I scan them, they are unreadable or some have to be enlarged to a ridiculous size, some of my previous postings are on the big side ! ! I have no adjustment on my scanner, and do what I can on the above mentioned JASC.$thanx$ Dave, It does "zoom" in very well, and I can pick up a lot of detail, even using an old JASC pro 7 paint shop, but I am having a lot of trouble with print, any advice ?When you say print, what exactly do you want to do?
DaveR...I will double check, thanks for that, will let you know.If you let me know the make/model of the scanner, I will see if there is any better software available. $good$
Photosmart HP 5520 $thanx$ Just remembered I also have IrfanviewDaveR...I will double check, thanks for that, will let you know.If you let me know the make/model of the scanner, I will see if there is any better software available.
I know the ones, don't think they are great for scanning, very basic functionality on them. :(Photosmart HP 5520 $thanx$ Just remembered I also have IrfanviewDaveR...I will double check, thanks for that, will let you know.If you let me know the make/model of the scanner, I will see if there is any better software available.
Two more photos of Rhos....the first you can pick out landmarks .....Rhos County Garage, the Princess etc. no swimming pool.That first aerial photo is fantastic, SteveH. $good$
The second shows both piers and the swimming pool.........
saw the fight what a scrap that was.I wonder if anyone ever went to Gwrych Castle in Abergele to see Randolph Turpin sparring there?
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/rare-footage-conwy-plane-crash-10901847 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/rare-footage-conwy-plane-crash-10901847)
RAF plane crash Rhos 1920s rare video
I stand corrected...said the man in the orthopaedic shoes. :laugh:
hi heres another one !! i grew up in rhos, on penrhyn ave there was 3 petrol stations rhos county garage, hancocks and penrhyn service station all in less than a mile ! i remember penhryn coaches being based at the latter location used to go on school trips on their old bedford coaches . chris of alpine coaches fame used to drive for them. anyway i seem to be drifting away from the topic does anyone remember how many petrol stations there were between west end and the black cat i'll leave this one with you and look forward to reading your repliesHmmm..thinking back to the 1970/80s..
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I remember the statues of the monks on the gateposts at the Rhos Fynach in the 1970s/80s, but it was called 'Cegin Y Mynach' then - 'Monk's Kitchen'.
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Going back to the petrol stations between Gordon ford and the black cat. Dave r has got a better distance memory than me, and I think mine is fine. But try as I might I cannot remember one as you left Mochdre. Are you sure Dave R? Anyway you are bound to be the winner. I had forgotten about the two in the middle of Mochdre. One owned by quinten hazel later to be the famous quinten hazelThe one going out of Mochdre is a car sales place now, next to National Tyres (see pic below).
The only steam miniature railway I can remember was on the Colwyn Bay Promenade but it only run from the entrance to Eirias Park to the Pier.
I think the train & carriages were housed in a building by Eirias Park and there may be a photo on here of it
Nice video Steve and that's the only one I can remember
As you got of the tram in Penrhynside the first thing in Pendre Road that you would see was that public toilet block. It came in handy after a night on the Z**The odd thing is that the toilets are still there, they simply closed up the entrances in the wall and left the buildings intact behind. In 100 years, I expect there will be a Time Team special about them... :laugh:
It's a long time since they closed them down
Hello everyone
There has been brief mention of the Miniature Steam Railway, which i think was on the front between Rhos and Colwyn Bay. I seem to recall this from 1975, although i can't recall exactly where it went.
is my memory at fault? I would be very interested in further details.
Many thanks
TL
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Love this photo of the original Pavilion on Colwyn Bay Pier under construction.