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The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: CFR on March 10, 2011, 04:00:26 pm
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Hi I hope you can help me.
I am looking into my family tree, and im a bit stuck.
I am looking for a Hughes family living in Llandudno. My Grandmother was born as Dilys Hughes in Llandudno in 1920. Her mothers maiden name was Jones. I am told that her mother was from Llandudno originally. I am not sure about her father.
I know that the family lived in Kings Road, Llandudno area in the 1920s. But before then, I am not sure.
As I do not have first names, I am finding it difficult to find a marriage certificate for Miss Jones and Mr Hughes. My grandmother was the third youngest child or the youngest.
Her brother and sisters were called: Sarah Hughes, Elizabeth Hughes and Jack Hughes.
I hope someone can help because I have come to a dead end.
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CFR as you will be aware there are many Hughes and Jones in the local area. My name is Hughes and my mother's maiden name was Hughes too so there are lots of us about.
There is a place in Llandudno called the Conwy Archives which has a lot of info on local people so they may be able to help. It doesn't open on Fridays but I may be going there next week and I'll see if I can find out anything.
The Ancestry website may also be able to help and that's free at our local library.
You have mentioned that your Grandmother was born in 1920 and was Dilys Hughes (nee Jones) is she still alive or if not do you know the year that she died?
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I was thinking about this again and wondered if you knew a few more things like the exact date of birth of your Grandmother and also your Grandfather's first name.
If you did know her date of birth then you could get a copy of her Birth Certificate and this would give you the names of her parents.
I'm just curious because my G Grandmother on my mothers side was called Elizabeth Hughes and they had 9 children one of whom was also called Elizabeth. The G Grandmother had 4 sons and they also may have called any daughter by their mother's name.
My mother had a cousin called Elizabeth Hughes although she was known as Betty or Bessie (can't remember exactly) and she lived somewhere in the West Shore area too. It could be just a coincidence but I'll see what turns up.
Suepp, if you are reading this I wonder if you can do me a favour and refer to that good book of yours the 1929 Street Index and see if there are any Hughes' listed in Kings Road. It may help with some of the notes I've got about my family tree.
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could it be jack hughes who was a painter he lived on conwy road a hughes family lived in llwynon rd [gt orme] not us bri , they also had a jack as you say a few different one,s good luck
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Certainly Hugo, Kings road is a very long street with 68 addresses,
at number 13 is Robert Hughes -Stoker (apartments)
19, Henry Hughes Plasterer,
20, Joseph Hughes Engine Fitter,
40, Benjamin Hughes Postman,
44, D. Hughes (aparts) Labourer
These might help to narrow down the search for a marriage certificate.
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Thanks very much for doing that Suepp as I'm not sure when I can go to the Conwy Archives next. One of my G Grandmothers sons was called Robert and you've found out that there was a Robert at No13. Whether that is the same person or not I don't know yet.
Thanks again for finding the info.
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could it be jack hughes who was a painter he lived on conwy road a hughes family lived in llwynon rd [gt orme] not us bri , they also had a jack as you say a few different one,s good luck
I don't think it was Jack as Jack lived in Cwm Place at one time and I knew him and his wife quite well. They are too young to be the people CFR is looking for. Jack's wife died a few years ago at a very young age and they had a son called Tommy who I met again a few years ago.
There's still a lot of us Hughes' left Norman and there are a few with your name too. I wonder if they are related to us?
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My Great Grandfather Jack Edwards was also a Stoker (at the Gasworks) he lived in Alex road, it may be useful to find out if there are any Gas works records at the archives, I must find time to go there myself some time, do you need a pass card before you can do research?
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You don't need a pass card Suepp, all you do is go in to the building and they will ask you to sign in first.
When you have done that you can tell them what you are looking for and they will help you to find it . There's loads of info in there and it's well worth a visit if you want to find something from the past.
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I've got a week off in April so will make the effort to go there!
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Thanks, I think i will be making a trip down to the archive next week.
For a reply to the message this is all I know:
My grandmother: Dilys Regan (Nee Hughes) Born - 24/10/1920 Llandudno Died 29/07/2006
Married: Denis J Regan - Born 28/03/1928 Abergavenny. Died 28/07/1981 Llandudno.
So from a birth index I have found for my grandmother is that her mothers maiden name was Jones.
I will try and find my grandmothers birth certificate if I can. Hopefully that will clarify some names. I will also do a search with the names from Kngs Road 1929 street index to find a marriage certificate for my G Grandparents.
Any other guidence anyone has would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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oh and one more question, how do I get a copy of the birth certificate? or even marriage certificates?
do i have to pay for one? I mean i only need to look at it to get a couple of names of my great grandparents.
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You have to apply to the GRO (General Records Office) you can do this via the BMD website, I believe the cost is around £9 per certificate,now, the last one I purchased cost me £7 The initial search will reveal only the names of the two parties, the year and which quarter and the reference number which will direct you to the online application form, you have to register with the GRO initially to apply.
It can mean guesswork and the risk of obtaining a "wrong" certificate but that has never happened to me, and over the years I have purchased a few certificates and not had a wrong one yet, in fact one application was turned down because my information did not tally with theirs. The information you get without paying are the names, and the year of marriage
Marriage certificates are great because they not only have the names and addresses of the couple, but the name and occupations of the father, the wedding venue and the names of witnesses. it can set you off in several different directions for further research.
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php (http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php)
If I can help with a search let me know, it would help to know the approximate year of marriage. I could also do a look-up on ancestry for you if you wish.
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If they married in Llandudno you can go to the Registrar in the Town Hall and he will do one for you if he's not doing a wedding.
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Hello all.
Another Hughes family is that of my Auntie Tillie, husband Joe Hughes. They used to live opposite me in 30 Kings Road - My rocky memory says 25, but it was right on where the road does an acute angle turn.
Tillie was a real favourite of mine. She was one of the town's characters best know for presiding over the public toilets at the end of the pier(in the 1950s/60s), where she told blue jokes to anyone who partook of her domain.
Her children were numerous and, I understand, not all Joe's. There is Jack who is a painter and a number of years older than me - still living in Llandudno as I understand; Norah, again somewhat older than me and, I think, still living in Llandudno; Bill (known as Bill Conk) who I knew well and who died about forty years ago; Bobby about five years older and still living in Llandudno; Josie who died in the last few years - another favourite who I last saw when visiting Colwyn Bay where she gave me a huge hug. David, pretty much the same age as me. He was a close childhood friend and we remained close through the times he was is a lot of petty trouble and had picked up the nicknames of Davy the Liar and Pedro. I used to see him often on my hiraeth visits to home (latterly in the Cottage Loaf) and was shocked when I heard he's collapsed outside the GPO and died of a heart attack. He was relatively young.
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Hi all, thanks for your help!!
I had a heads up for some help, saying that the Hughes I were looking for were buried together in the cemetery on the Orme, so i found the grave - how exciting!
Ive now found out that my grandmothers parents were called William Hughes (1880 - 1933) and Sarah Hughes (nee Jones) (1881 - 1957). Both born and married in Llandudno (in 1899). I think all this information is correct - especially locations, as I have looked at the 1901 and the 1911 census'.
In 1901 They lived in 9 Pen Y Ffrith Terrace Gt Orme, Llandudno. And although I know from the 1911 Census that they would have had children by then - they are not listed.
In 1911 they lived in 8 Pen y Ffrith Terrace, Gt Orme. They had the following children - Maggie (12), George (10), Gladys (10), Sarah Ann (8), Lily (6) and Edith (3). My grandmother was not born until 1920 (Dilys) and I know that they had another son, who we called Jack (after 1911), but cant find his birth record anywhere.
William Hughes worked as a brick layer and labourer for Mostyn Estates.
I am surprised as on the 1911 census it says that both Sarah and William and the children all spoke English and Welsh - although my Grandmother, their youngest child born in 1920 did not.
I think my next sept now is to get the birth and marriage certificates for Sarah and William - then I can try and go back even further. to their parents.
I think I might go to the archives and look up any building work and school indexes.
Does anyone know if I can find where this family lived after 1920? I would be interested as my Grandmother wasnt born at the time of the 1911 census.
Does anyone think that I can get these certificates for free anywhere - Its not like I actually want to keep them - just to look at the details and take down the information.
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The 1929 directory has Wm Hughes labourer living at 9 Penyffrith, Great Ormes Head.
With regard to the certificates, it is possible to see the originals, depending on where they are kept. Someone once very kindly photographed an original for me at the Liverpool Records Office at no cost to myself.
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Pen-y-Frith, on the Orme. 2up and2 down Cottages, with all those children! And they think it's hard now ?
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The foundation stone for the new housing scheme Kings road was laid in 1920 by Lady Lloyd George, no doubt the living conditions were a great improvement for the families who moved in.
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_))*Yeah. Wonderful. One bedroom; a coldwater tap above the sink in the tiny kitchen; an outside toilet in the back yard next to the coalhouse.
Still, an improvement on a communal pit privy and a stream down the hill!
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The foundation stone for the new housing scheme Kings road was laid in 1920 by Lady Lloyd George, no doubt the living conditions were a great improvement for the families who moved in.
There's a plaque on the wall of 35 Kings Road with the inscription: "Llandudno housing scheme 1920. This stone was laid by Mrs. D. Lloyd George, the wife of the Prime Minister, 8 October 1920.
Here's some footage from Pathe News of the ceremony:
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=17526 (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=17526)
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Hi Suepp
Could you please tell me from the 1929 directory if there was a Henry and Elsie Pulling living in one of the houses in Pen Y Ffrith? Thanks
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Hi Barbiroli
There is an H. Pulling living at number 11, Occupation not listed nor in the alphabetical listings.
There's an F Pulling listed at number 8. Pen-y-Ffrith,a nd a John Godfrey Pulling Labourer at 7 Pantyffrith.
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F. Pulling......would that be Frank? (RIP)
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Hi Barbiroli
There is an H. Pulling living at number 11, Occupation not listed nor in the alphabetical listings.
There's an F Pulling listed at number 8. Pen-y-Ffrith,a nd a John Godfrey Pulling Labourer at 7 Pantyffrith.
There was a Frank Pulling working as Car and Coach Park Supervisor for the old Aberconwy Borough Council. He retired in 1991 or 2 and passed away a few years after, not sure which year.
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The Frank Pulling I knew would have been born in the 1930's so possibly his father, frank lived in Clifton Road in the 1960's, nice man
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The Frank I mentioned was certainly 60 when he retired so was born about 1930 ish.
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Thanks Suepp, Trojan and Yorkie for the information. Henry and Elsie were my mum and dad, Frank at No.8 was my father`s brother. I didn`t know till now that Uncle Frank lived at Pen y Ffridd. The John Godfrey Pulling at 7, Pant y Ffridd was my grandfather. Trojan and Yorkie - the Frank you knew was my cousin (Uncle Frank`s son) who, at one time, lived opposite your mum and dad Trojan.
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There are two other Pullings listed in 1929 - Mrs G Pulling 12 Tyn-y-Coed Terrace, Tyn-y-Coed Road, and W Pulling Fernleigh, 7 Marian Road, Maesdu Road.
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Thanks Suepp, Trojan and Yorkie for the information. Henry and Elsie were my mum and dad, Frank at No.8 was my father`s brother. I didn`t know till now that Uncle Frank lived at Pen y Ffridd. The John Godfrey Pulling at 7, Pant y Ffridd was my grandfather. Trojan and Yorkie - the Frank you knew was my cousin (Uncle Frank`s son) who, at one time, lived opposite your mum and dad Trojan.
I remember Frank well - nice guy, ex Royal Navy.
He's mentioned in the April 2007 obituary section of Vanguard, the official journal of the Royal Naval Association.
http://www.rna-10-area.net/files/vanguard/VanguardApril07.pdf (http://www.rna-10-area.net/files/vanguard/VanguardApril07.pdf)
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There were Pullings/Pullins in Kings Road - in the first house past the flats going towards the Playnies. I can remember Frank and Habsie in particular.
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I love that iv found this conversation! My Taid was Robert Hughes, son of tilly and Joe Hughes, brother of Dave, billy, jack norah and josie! Sadly my Taid has passed away, September 2010, jack still lives on conway road and norah lives down west shore, I would love to do a family tree but I wouldnt know where to start, also I would love to find out more about my family! My great nain tilly sounds like a brilliant charector, mum like my mother, joanne Hughes, daughter of Robert Owen hughes, please could you contact me? Thank you so much
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It may only be a coincidence but I once knew a Tilly Hughes who lived in Park Terrace, Deganwy during the fifties and she was a dinner lady at the local primary school.
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It may only be a coincidence but I once knew a Tilly Hughes who lived in Park Terrace, Deganwy during the fifties and she was a dinner lady at the local primary school.
It's not Tilly Hughes from Park Terrace because she was my Aunt and married to my Uncle Dave.
Jack Hughes once lived in Cwm Place where I lived and I got to know them there. Jack's wife sadly died not long after moving to Conwy Road, she may have come from Liverpool because I used to be a penfriend with Joan Vernon who may have been her younger sister.
Jack's son Tommy is still in the area and works in Craig Y Don.
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I love that iv found this conversation! My Taid was Robert Hughes, son of tilly and Joe Hughes, brother of Dave, billy, jack norah and josie! Sadly my Taid has passed away, September 2010, jack still lives on conway road and norah lives down west shore, I would love to do a family tree but I wouldnt know where to start, also I would love to find out more about my family! My great nain tilly sounds like a brilliant charector, mum like my mother, joanne Hughes, daughter of Robert Owen hughes, please could you contact me? Thank you so much
Hi and welcome to the forum! why don't you try genes reunited, that's how I got started and its very cheap. Ancestry also do free trial periods
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It may only be a coincidence but I once knew a Tilly Hughes who lived in Park Terrace, Deganwy during the fifties and she was a dinner lady at the local primary school.
It's not Tilly Hughes from Park Terrace because she was my Aunt and married to my Uncle Dave.
Thank you, Hugo, for clarifying that.
I also remember Dave’s brother, Selwyn Hughes the builder, who built himself a house near Mr Buckley’s fish and chip shop.
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Would that have been the Frank Pulling married to Lilly Pulling and they ran a B7B in Clifton Road - had two children Audrey Carol and Gareth. Lilly was my Aunty Grace's best friend
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Hello Jess Hughes. I've just come back to this forum and I saw your posting. I've been in touch for some time now with Zoe who must be your sister and we've exchanged some information. Your Taid Bobby was my cousin and I knew him well. I also noticed in one of Suepp's postings she lists Joseph Hughes, Engine Fitter living in 20 Kings Road - that was bob's father (my uncle) - I remember him as fairly old when I was kid - and he was married to Tillie Hughes (nee Stallard), one of my favourite Aunts - she was lovely, very earthy and coarsely funny. You could call it toilet humour since her job was attendant at the toilets at the end of the pier. There's also a lot of quite secluded and 'colourful' history there. But Zoe has been trying to find out more about Joe Hughes, your great grandfather and seeing him listed as an engine fitter (my guess would be with the railway LMS) could open more doors.
You're very welcome to give me a shout on e mail (Zoe has the address).
Heddwch.
Mike.
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Would that have been the Frank Pulling married to Lilly Pulling and they ran a B7B in Clifton Road - had two children Audrey Carol and Gareth. Lilly was my Aunty Grace's best friend
Yes this is the same Frank Pulling
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Hi,
Dilys was my grandmothers ( Lilian ) sister. I met Jack many times, he lived in Cardiff. Also I met Sarah a few times. I have many family photos of all of them. Sarah and Lil lived as OAPS on St Andrews Ave which is not far from Kings Road. I have Lilians wedding cert which lists her father, a Hughes, living on Kings Road, I think number 33. Dilys lived for many years with her family who survive her on the great orme. I believe her daughter, son in law, and two grandsons still live there. Hope his helps.
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Hi my names is George Hughes I lived Kings Road Number 47.My Father was William Hughes born 1913.He had sisters called Lilly, Dilys,Sarah.Brothers George and Jack and some more do not know.I have four Brothers Billy,Tony,Me,Brain,Allen.My mother was called Kitty Hughes[ NEE Stallard]Jack Hughes moved from Llandudno to Cardiff after he come out of the army.And George Hughes was in the navy and is buried up the orme in the same grave as his parents.We have more info about other people in family but just seen this add so if you want to know any more things let us know..
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Hi my names is George Hughes I lived Kings Road Number 47.My Father was William Hughes born 1913.He had sisters called Lilly, Dilys,Sarah.Brothers George and Jack and some more do not know.I have four Brothers Billy,Tony,Me,Brain,Allen.My mother was called Kitty Hughes[ NEE Stallard]Jack Hughes moved from Llandudno to Cardiff after he come out of the army.And George Hughes was in the navy and is buried up the orme in the same grave as his parents.We have more info about other people in family but just seen this add so if you want to know any more things let us know..
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Here is a photo of Lil and Jack at the grave. Lilian was my late mother Gwen’s mother, my nain. Uncle Jack lived in Canton, Cardiff. Lil and Sarah lived on St Andrew’s Ave Llandudno. Lilian married Griffith and they had 6 kids, 3 girls 3 boys at Pendre, Bryn Pydew. ( Joyce, Dilys, Gwen, George, Derek, Edward ) Only Dilys and Edward are still alive. Uncle George moved to Aberaeron and had the 2nd largest family in Wales with 95 living descendants. ( this was featured on Welsh tv news ) Joyce and Edward moved to Stonehaven Scotland, and you have about 100 relatives up there too.
Kind regards.
Hi all, thanks for your help!!
I had a heads up for some help, saying that the Hughes I were looking for were buried together in the cemetery on the Orme, so i found the grave - how exciting!
Ive now found out that my grandmothers parents were called William Hughes (1880 - 1933) and Sarah Hughes (nee Jones) (1881 - 1957). Both born and married in Llandudno (in 1899). I think all this information is correct - especially locations, as I have looked at the 1901 and the 1911 census'.
In 1901 They lived in 9 Pen Y Ffrith Terrace Gt Orme, Llandudno. And although I know from the 1911 Census that they would have had children by then - they are not listed.
In 1911 they lived in 8 Pen y Ffrith Terrace, Gt Orme. They had the following children - Maggie (12), George (10), Gladys (10), Sarah Ann (8), Lily (6) and Edith (3). My grandmother was not born until 1920 (Dilys) and I know that they had another son, who we called Jack (after 1911), but cant find his birth record anywhere.
William Hughes worked as a brick layer and labourer for Mostyn Estates.
I am surprised as on the 1911 census it says that both Sarah and William and the children all spoke English and Welsh - although my Grandmother, their youngest child born in 1920 did not.
I think my next sept now is to get the birth and marriage certificates for Sarah and William - then I can try and go back even further. to their parents.
I think I might go to the archives and look up any building work and school indexes.
Does anyone know if I can find where this family lived after 1920? I would be interested as my Grandmother wasnt born at the time of the 1911 census.
Does anyone think that I can get these certificates for free anywhere - Its not like I actually want to keep them - just to look at the details and take down the information.
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Lil with her husband Griffith Jones originally of Llangefni. Photos taken outside of Pendre, Bryn Pydew. Motorcycles have been very popular across the entire family, and still are!