What about the scaffolding around Wetherspoons? I was fascinated watching the guys erecting it, it really is a feat of engineering but I've yet to see anyone working on it! Does anyone know what's happening?Funny you mention that, I've been thinking exactly the same thing. :D Scaffolding's been up for a couple of months now yet no cleaning or painting of the building appears to have been carried out.
Good to see you, Rex :-)
I can probably change Wrex back to Rex if he wants, with a bit of fiddling. D)Good to see you, Rex :-)Yes, good to see you. I notice you're now Wrex rather than Rex. 00
I can probably change Wrex back to Rex if he wants, with a bit of fiddling. D)Good to see you, Rex :-)Yes, good to see you. I notice you're now Wrex rather than Rex. 00
Who owns all the land at the Builders Street side of the railway station? It's huge and totally wasted is that where the new "transport hub" is to be?It's all owned by a company called 'Northern Markets', run by Michael Don from Manchester. He's not done a lot with the site (ok, anything), so I can only assume it was bought as an investment and he's waiting for a juicy offer from a retail developer or similar.
Under CONWY I would like to addMy pleasure, Stan. :) I've also added in a few other Conwy favourites, namely:
THE FORMER BILLINGTON'S GARAGE SITE
Anyone know what the up to date is on this eyesore?
Surely one of the silliest and most unnecessary eyesores is the building site on the corner of the new Parc Llandudno retail shopping centre. Once nicely landscaped it was immediately dug up again as they decided another retail outlet was needed.(?????) It now seems they have decided it isn't viable due to the recession the area has been boarded and looks a mess.Yes, another good addition to the 'list of shame' and many thousands of pounds wasted ripping up a pleasant landscaped area that was apparently deemed essential under the original planning permission but was then not needed when CCBC were offered £400,000 'contribution towards parking in Llandudno' if the developer could build another store on it:
:DAnyway back to something that is supposed to be happening,Jason do you have any information on when Llandudno railway station is begining,cheers. :-X
:(I wonder how long it will be before we hear the outcome of CCBC request to meet Mr Taylor over the pier pavillion. ps Jason any news on LLandudno railway station.
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:-[I think we need to add the Augusta holiday flats too the list ,its looking very very sad at the moment.Yes indeed, I've just added it. Starting to look very tatty now.
What about the scaffolding around Wetherspoons? I was fascinated watching the guys erecting it, it really is a feat of engineering but I've yet to see anyone working on it! Does anyone know what's happening?Apparently when it first went up Iwas told it was to paint the building, then I was told it was there to repair the roof, which I thought at the time was a little far fetched, now I'm being told its a ploy for tax relief, not sure how that works though x
Well done, Conwy CC planning department, yet again.I remeber The Grand Hotel in Pen closing down, it was in pretty much the same state. A few locals went in when it first closed, unbelievable what people over the years had left behind, each room in there was like a time capsual, they even found an antique violin in perfect condition. My friend has the original Sign. Its almost criminal that buildings like these are left to rot, but Ido feel its done on pupose though, the Grand should have been listed but of course there was more money to be made from houses on the site and to be fair they were much needed. Six months later the building was nothing but a shell everything gone from antique bathroom suites to the copper wiring throughout the building. Such a shame.
The Grand Hotel in Penmaenmawr was a fantastic building, I visited it in its last few months and it was such a shame to see it in a wrecked state. Would love to see some photos of it at the end, I didn't have a camera back then. Now its been replaced by the little noddy houses.Excellent picture I'll have to copy that, yes the swimming pool was under the dance floor, it was a very popular destination for gentry in the early 1900s. Gladstone being one of its most famous visitors, which is why we have the Gladstone statue on the road leading to the Grand.
There used to be a swimming pool in the basement of the hotel, filled by seawater pumped from the beach.
Looks like some action at Wetherspoons at last. A team of seven or eight men from a company called "Classic Decorators" arrived at about 11.00 today and seemed to be carrying large tubs of paint onto the scaffold.You beat me to it, Paddy! ;D Fester was telling me yesterday that they are going to repair the roof and paint all of the exterior - bet that's going to cost a few quid! :o
Looks like some action at Wetherspoons at last. A team of seven or eight men from a company called "Classic Decorators" arrived at about 11.00 today and seemed to be carrying large tubs of paint onto the scaffold.You beat me to it, Paddy! ;D Fester was telling me yesterday that they are going to repair the roof and paint all of the exterior - bet that's going to cost a few quid! :o
It would be good to see your post about the Black Lion also on the thread "Everything to do with Conwy" Dave.Good idea, Stan, I've copied it over. :)
I'm hopeful that work will start on the Black Lion in the next couple of months - will be good to see it back in use.My mind boggles that such a fantastic building in a great location can have been left empty and uncared for, for so long.
I've always thought it would make a great upmarket cafe, very similar to Tu Hwnt I'r Bont in Llanrwst. You could create a fabulous outdoor seating area in the courtyard area at the back. :)
I've always thought it would make a great upmarket cafe, very similar to Tu Hwnt I'r Bont in Llanrwst. You could create a fabulous outdoor seating area in the courtyard area at the back. :)I love that cafe, I think thats a good idea, you could sell some excellent real local crafts, Conwy and the surrounding area are heaving with people who produce and sell some fantastic craft work, Imagine that all old photos etc on the walls, yep that would be good.
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Who owns all the land at the Builders Street side of the railway station? It's huge and totally wasted is that where the new "transport hub" is to be?It's all owned by a company called 'Northern Markets', run by Michael Don from Manchester. He's not done a lot with the site (ok, anything), so I can only assume it was bought as an investment and he's waiting for a juicy offer from a retail developer or similar.
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I find 'Sober' to be a very over-rated state of being.
It's good that someone is interest in buying Deganwy Castle Hotel but when I read that the person is a property developer as well as a hotel owner my first thoughts were that the building will be the next one to be demolished to make way for apartments on the site.The word on Oscars blog is that Charlie Lynch is buying it.
Perhaps I'm being cynical but that has happened to many properties on that road. The person could make an option to buy subject to obtaining planning permission or as he is a developer he may test the water with CCBC beforehand.
It has come to my attention that this could very well be correct.It's good that someone is interest in buying Deganwy Castle Hotel but when I read that the person is a property developer as well as a hotel owner my first thoughts were that the building will be the next one to be demolished to make way for apartments on the site.The word on Oscars blog is that Charlie Lynch is buying it.
Perhaps I'm being cynical but that has happened to many properties on that road. The person could make an option to buy subject to obtaining planning permission or as he is a developer he may test the water with CCBC beforehand.
What's the point in any of us working, buying property or bettering ourselves
QuoteWhat's the point in any of us working, buying property or bettering ourselves
Presumably so you don't have to live alongside the 99 other DSS families.
Again, we come down to the legislation, which dictates we can't leave people to die on the street simply because they can't afford to buy into the extortionately over-priced private housing market.
but how many of these people at the Rothesay are from the streets of North Wales?
But I'd advise keeping a very close eye on developments, Jason. Would change of use be needed if the Deganwy Castle was lined up to house DSS?
I don't know the fella, this Lynch. but if I was going to develope the site I'd make it into Luxury Apartments, more money, less objection, better suited to the area. Obviously I hope it remains a hotel but I think Hugo has a point If Dennis Chin can't do it, begs the question, is it viable?Definitely, but it needs investment. When I last went in there a couple of years ago, it didn't look like it had been touched since the 1970s. People expect more these days and aren't prepared to put up with low standards. A fantastic location for a Hotel but needs a big revamp.
I don't think so. Most of Llandudno's eyesores are freehold properties, rather than on Long Leasehold from Mostyn Estates. The Clarence, Pier Pavilion site, Tudno Castle Hotel, Railway Station Goods Yard - all freeholds. Mostyn Estates will not allow their properties to get into semi-derelict states, usually.Ah didn't realise sorry. All I ever hear since being in Llandudno is Mostyn Estates etc *&(
:( Fester having sat on the town council for nine years the Pier Pavillion was brought up twice,once by Roy Gambrill and once by Malcom Bullock both since lost their seats,really caring about LLandudno does not go down well on the council . ¢¢##This is what infuriates me about the council and councillors. Half of them are only there for the expenses. (I dont mean you Wrex) When will they realise the whole point is to serve the people who pay their wages, the likes of you and me. It's always been the same, they serve themselves, and make their jobs easier by doing NAFF all.
Town Councillors do not get paid, or any expenses for attending meetings. ¢¢##I meant councillors on the whole, not just the town councillors. I didn't realise the town councillors don't get paid, so what is there roll then ? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know? )*)&
That's actually a good question. I assume the formation of the Town Council was meant as a sop to Llandudno when the old Llandudno Urban District Council was abolished? Although the Town Councillors do not receive any payments, a large amount of money is spent on administration, with several members of staff doing....well, I don't know what they do all day, to be honest, as the Town Council's responsibilities and powers are so limited. I wish I could give you the exact figures as to how much is spent, but they don't seem very keen on publishing the information on their website.Town Councillors do not get paid, or any expenses for attending meetings. ¢¢##I meant councillors on the whole, not just the town councillors. I didn't realise the town councillors don't get paid, so what is there roll then ? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know? )*)&
About another 100K on Staff Salaries, Pensions etc.This is what interests me. A total budget of around £300,000, I believe, and a third of it is spent on just paying their wages, with not one penny of actual benefit to the town. How can such a large wages bill be justified? In the private sector, they would have all been out on their ear long ago.
An attractive structure befitting the town's heritage with a useful purpose would be nearer the mark.
Don't you just love that "Victorian" roof? The architect must have been a chip off the old block.
I was told by a senior source at VC that maintenance of the building is a nightmare, due to its not fantastic standard of construction.QuoteDon't you just love that "Victorian" roof? The architect must have been a chip off the old block.
That was itself a cost issue. A fly tower was essential, or the theatre wouldn't have attracted any half-way decent shows. But what's on show is the bare bones construction, with no attempt to integrate the style into the prevailing architecture. To have attempted that would probably have doubled the cost.
That's right. It was a very 'suck and see' operation, and their main target was cost saving throughout. Given what the mere construction of a fly tower involves, I've always thought it astonishing that we actually got one. Might not have for much longer ,if the place can't make money.Maybe they should have bought the Pavilion back in 1984 when they had the chance?
Please tell me I'm wrong, and I've missed some positive progress?No, you're quite right, sadly. No progress whatsoever. :(
I've read all the comments on other people’s eyesores and quite forgot until this evening to mention the closed Public Toilets that are boarded up at the beginning of Happy Valley Road in Llandudno. They were the first public Loo's to be opened in the town and even if it does cost a lot to reopen them, the need is still there. One of the saddest sites you can whiteness is just before the start of one of the periodic races around the Orme. Up to 500 runners all looking for somewhere to go. The path up to the Cable Car gets a really good watering I can tell you. CCBC response was to offer me a couple of hundred pounds if I would let the general public come in and use the first floor Loo in my place, I think not! Open or shut the council still has to pay Rates on the premises, and the current rateable value on just these loo’s is £3550.Have you noticed that some kind soul has removed one of the boards covering the broken skylights on the roof?
Imagine the amount of desperate people using the few businesses to join the council's toilet scheme at the Celtic fayre !I think the Organisers provided a load of Portaloos to cope with the rush.
Have you noticed that some kind soul has removed one of the boards covering the broken skylights on the roof?I had occasion to be up on that roof with an RSPCA Inspector quite recently, whilst rescuing an injured fox cub. Not only has the “kind soul" removed one of the skylight boards but they have also smashed up every piece of porcelain inside to boot. The mindlessness of it beggars belief
Hell, most people wouldn't dare go into a pub just to use the loo.
Oh dear. Have you informed CCBC?Have you noticed that some kind soul has removed one of the boards covering the broken skylights on the roof?I had occasion to be up on that roof with an RSPCA Inspector quite recently, whilst rescuing an injured fox cub. Not only has the “kind soul" removed one of the skylight boards but they have also smashed up every piece of porcelain inside to boot. The mindlessness of it beggars belief
Oh dear. Have you informed CCBC?
Imagine the amount of desperate people using the few businesses to join the council's toilet scheme at the Celtic fayre !I think the Organisers provided a load of Portaloos to cope with the rush.
A very small addition to the Local Eyesores list - this litter bin outside St. Johns Church, Mostyn Street. Disgusting!
It's going way beyond a joke now though. It's worse than cigarette butts. There's just no excuse for not putting gum in the bin, especially when in this case the bin is right there in front of you. :(
I can't see why a levy can't be placed upon chewing gum manufacturers to pay for the cost of cleaning up their mess
A very small addition to the Local Eyesores list - this litter bin outside St. Johns Church, Mostyn Street. Disgusting!The offending Litter Bin has, just three days after my post, been replaced by a brand new one. Coincidence...you decide? ;)
I like the new fence Dave and it has removed a rotton eyesore from the front of my place, now if we can get Mr Taylor to pay for it as well that would be the cream on the top. But be very careful what you wish for. Just a few yards away we lost all our Weeping Elm trees that used to stretch all along the prom and on up into Happy Valley Gardens. The Designer BOG BRUSH Trees planted in their stead are nothing short of a public disgrace. They may have looked pretty on a drawing board but in reality without proper husbandry they have become an ugly eyesore. It’s a shame the Councils got no money to spare, otherwise I’d suggest we started a Petition to get the Elms reinstated now there's a firm of specialist tree providers in Dundee that have come up with a variety that are Dutch Elm resistant....and one of the trees has died and not been replaced, leaving a big gap in the row.
The wife and I were speculating about the demise of that particular tree Dave, as it’s the only one that hasn’t managed to mature and block the view of the prom. Or have I become a cynical old gitThe one next to it at the end of the row looks to be on the way out, as well. ?{}?
Over in Colwyn Bay, we have the former A & A Cash & Carry Shop at 7 Abergele road. For many years, it was famous locally as 'Dandos Toy Shop'. Originally a beautifully designed shop (by Colwyn Foulkes), the building is now empty and abandoned, with a hideous steel shutter all along the ground floor and only its upper exterior retaining the original design. With significant grant money available from the Heritage Lottery Fund to pay for restoration of original features, now is the time for this building to be restored to its former glory.This building is now for sale - at just £150,000. Not a bad price for a very impressive building in the centre of Colwyn Bay.
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?I'll answer for Jason, hope he doesnt mind. 8)
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?Hi Pendragon
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?I'll answer for Jason, hope he doesnt mind. 8)
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When a Building is Listed, it covers both the inside and outside of the building, together with the curtilage (grounds, outbuildings etc). Sometimes, individual interior features (e. a staircase) are mentioned separately in the Listing but, regardless of that, all of the interior is protected. :)
:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.Some quite large pieces to from what I've seen
Part of the denticulated cornice has fallen off...*he says, showing off* :P:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.Some quite large pieces to from what I've seen
Part of the denticulated cornice has fallen off...*he says, showing off* :P:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.Some quite large pieces to from what I've seen
I like the new fence Dave and it has removed a rotton eyesore from the front of my place, now if we can get Mr Taylor to pay for it as well that would be the cream on the top. But be very careful what you wish for. Just a few yards away we lost all our Weeping Elm trees that used to stretch all along the prom and on up into Happy Valley Gardens. The Designer BOG BRUSH Trees planted in their stead are nothing short of a public disgrace. They may have looked pretty on a drawing board but in reality without proper husbandry they have become an ugly eyesore. It’s a shame the Councils got no money to spare, otherwise I’d suggest we started a Petition to get the Elms reinstated now there's a firm of specialist tree providers in Dundee that have come up with a variety that are Dutch Elm resistant.I found this postcard from the 1970s that reminded me how thick the tree cover was by the Pier entrance back then:
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Woe betide any motorist who comes down Ty Gwyn Hill and misses the No Entry sign into Church Walks. The first they know of it is a few days later when the post arrives with a photograph of their rear number plate accompanied by a £60 fix penalty notice. ))*They must be making a few quid out of that, I see people all Summer long driving the wrong way down there.
Wasn't that how that Ferrari got bashed about last year?Ah yes, Steve Dickens pulled out of the alleyway between the Parade and Queen Vic, and met a Ferrari coming the wrong way.
:laugh: Cll Ron told me a few months ago the Llandudno Railway Station development is too start next months,this will be the fourth date they have given,i pray this time they stick to it. :rage:
:laugh: Cll Ron told me a few months ago the Llandudno Railway Station development is too start next months,this will be the fourth date they have given,i pray this time they stick to it. :rage:
I got a letter today inviting me to a consultation event at Venue Cymru on 18th January regarding 'Major improvements to Llandudno Station'. I live nearby and it appears these letters are being sent out as feedback is being sought.
What is intriguing me is that in the letter it states that Network Rail and the North Wales Joint Transport Board (Taith) have committed funding for the majority of the project but Conwy Council is yet to apply for a grant from the Welsh European Funding Office for the remainder of the money.
How can Councillors be promising dates for the commencement of the work when the money is not even in place yet?
In my view the starting of this project is still many many months if not years away.
Wrex is not going to be a happy bunny :rage:
:( Sorry Jason im not quite sure when you are saying it will begin,this year or next,oh god. :rage:
:( Sorry Jason im not quite sure when you are saying it will begin,this year or next,oh god. :rage:
It will not start before April 2011.
But the information I have is quite vague on exactly when (in Sept they said in the Spring)
The works will then be completed sometime after April 2012.
Not much use I know but it seems that the project is ready to commence once the funding is secured. We will know more when the funding is finalised.
If Llandudno Station was in London or the South of England, it would have been renovated years ago!
Put this time and date in your diary.I noticed the 90 minutes thing myself. The exhibition is probably in an room in the basement with a sign on the door saying 'keep out'. ;D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12207559 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12207559)
You only have 90 minutes to view it.
I remember dodging in there in the 80s.Had to read that twice, I thought you had said dogging :laugh:
I didn't think she said that .... I just HOPED she did !!
Went for a walk with Socs (the dog). I was surprised to see the state of disrepair on the old turret toilets. I remember dodging in there in the 80s. They aways stank but not as bad as the ones on the square.That's another example of a building that is just wasted - it could easily be an office/workshop for someone. I take it the Council own it.
I suppose it would cause more damage removing the ivy now.
Love the door, it reminds me of the "magic faraway tree"
Went for a walk with Socs (the dog). I was surprised to see the state of disrepair on the old turret toilets.Here's a view of that Tower from the Castle - it's a bigger building than it looks and on two storeys:
Or am I being too optimistic? 8)probably optimistic Dave, there's no way they're going to open them up as toilets is there with al the closures going on and it would take a smal fortune to convert them for another use.
I was thinking a conversion into maybe a craft workshop type thing with office above - needn't cost that much to do. Would be great for a local Artisan to make/sell their goods. Or, according to Cameron's 'Big Society', CCBC should be forced to sell it off to a community group for meeting room or any other use you can think of?Or am I being too optimistic? 8)probably optimistic Dave, there's no way they're going to open them up as toilets is there with al the closures going on and it would take a smal fortune to convert them for another use.
Like the Garth block in the grounds of the Royal in Llandudno.What's that Nemesis?
That's a really god idea Dave. There's plenty of local craft workers in the local area. *&(I have not assumed godlike status yet, Angie! ;D :P
The huge block of flats between Llewellyn Ave, Church Walks and Water Street. They are in what would have been the Royal Hotel's car park or garden and are totally out of keeping with the town.
Colin Jones used to run our local youth club in Pen. He was there for years. I haven't seen him for a few years now, if you do Barbiroli will you give him my regards. Thanks :D
That's a weird place, the ground floor is distinctly two properties but above that who owns what part is anybodies guessI'd never noticed that until you said! Maybe originally one building but split into two at some pint?
We certainly are keeping a very close eye on the DCH.Thanks for the update, Jason. :)
I have been in discussion with Council officers since before Christmas when the first rumours of who the new owners could be came through.
I have a commitment that the Council will not be using this site to house any of its housing clients.
The whole building is in fact Grade II listed, but some areas are more important then other. To be honest some of the more recent adaptions around the back have no architectual or historic merit.
I believe plans are being developed for the site and we look forward to them coming forward. the rumours are that it may be part residential - part hotel.
now if only they could install some lights inside :roll:If they did that you'd be able to see who was drinking in there and that would not be good for business!
:( Well here we are nearly at the lastest deadline for the development,as far as i remember[there have been so many] they are waiting for the end of the financial year then ,who knows,we have been fobbed of so many times,CLL P Evans needs to inform us as Llandudno;s transport man where we are at.Of course it will be Cll J Weyman who will be the only county councillor with the decency to inform us and of course he does;nt even live in town,but we do appreciate your involment Jason,thanks. Z**
I think the old "Little Chef" premises on the west bound carriageway of the A55 should be included in this category - it has been closed for some time now and looks very dilapidated. I was told in the petrol station recently that the premises (that's the former Little Chef ones), are available for lease.I've always wondered why someone hasn't reopened that old Little Chef in the same way as the 55 Diner in Llanddulas, a locally owned business providing good quality food and drink. I believe the rental on the old Little Chef is only £15,000 a year.
It looks awful. Who owns this property - they should be ashamed?!I have been told by a couple of people the owner is Alan Skips? (Aberconwy Skip Hire) I don't know him.
It's all a bit odd. Why leave a building like that derelict for so long when it could be earning money in the form of rent? Why start work to renovate it and then just stop halfway through? Makes no sense! ???It looks awful. Who owns this property - they should be ashamed?!I have been told by a couple of people the owner is Alan Skips? (Aberconwy Skip Hire) I don't know him.
That's what I meant by restrictions regarding building regs Dave. From what I've been told the owner has had a nightmare with the Council added to the fact that an awful lot of building work has been shelved due to the economic climate at the moment.I'd believe that if no other building/renovation work ever went on in Conwy but.... ;)
Y'know it makes you think, the guy who owns the Black Lion wants a change of use for the premises so it can be residential. What possible reason would the council have to block that? I mean Conwy doesn't need another Cafe and the owners could restore the Black Lion to it's former glory.
Yet on the other hand if the Council dig their heels in and block plans left right and centre they could enforce a Compulsory Purchase on it and get the property cheaply and then probably do what they want. Look at Bodlondeb how do you think the Council acquired that?That's not the way it works. The owner can appeal to WAG if they are unhappy with a Planning Decision and it can be overturned if WAG believe the rules have not been correctly applied. CPOs have to be carried out at market value, which is determined by an independent surveyor. I believe Bodlondeb was purchased on the open market many years ago, rather than by CPO, but am happy to be proved wrong. :)
I read that DFS is coming to the old MFI shop. Is that wrong?Yes, they're going to the old Halfords unit, I believe.
I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Sadly, it looks as though that will almost certainly be the case. The entire building is crumbling so badly now that renovation will not be economically viable.I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
Two questions spring to mind about the response:
1) Surely the machine that was damaged in the flood was insured? Why was the payout not used to buy a new machine?
2) The idea that a machine to remove chewing gum costs £120,000 is totally ridiculous. This one here (designed for use on pavements) is less than £5,000:
"The Gum-Grafter is ideal for high street cleaning on tarmac, flags, block paving, concrete and many more external surfaces. "
http://www.getridofgum.com/remove_chewing_gum.html (http://www.getridofgum.com/remove_chewing_gum.html)
CCBC should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
Good news in the Weekly News that Billingtons Garage is to be demolished.
"ONE of the biggest eyesores in Conwy could finally be demolished by the summer. Muller Property Holdings, owners of the dilapidated Llanrwst Road site, have lost their appeal against Conwy County Council’s demolition order at Llandudno Magistrates Court, and have to pay £4,000 costs to the authority. Last October Conwy served a notice requiring the demolition of the building and clearance of the site, and the Cheshire-based property developer appealed against it. They now have less than three weeks to appeal against the district judge’s decision. If they don’t lodge another appeal, the notice will take a month to take effect, and the company will have another month to comply with it. If they don’t comply, Conwy Council could step in to demolish the former garage itself, and would charge Muller for the work."
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/07/billington-s-garage-in-conwy-could-be-demolished-by-the-summer-55243-28472399/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/07/billington-s-garage-in-conwy-could-be-demolished-by-the-summer-55243-28472399/)
Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
I heard that Wetherspoons have bought it. Big Disco on the ground floor and lots of other plans etc. Don't know any fine detail.Wetherspoons don't operate discos! Might be a Wetherlodge:
I heard that Wetherspoons have bought it. Big Disco on the ground floor and lots of other plans etc. Don't know any fine detail.Wetherspoons don't operate discos! Might be a Wetherlodge:
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/hotels (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/hotels)
Im still baffeled at what they are doing inside the tin hut on the coach park,to me it looks small but they have been working inside this tin shed for a couple of months and still no sign of a grand opening by her majesty,JFS Z**This has puzzled me too. The work has been taking months and has involved many people, usually 5 or more cars and vans outside it every day. Maybe a new HQ for Llandudno Regeneration Partnership? :laugh:
No, Wetherspoons don't run Disco's... but they do own the Lloyds No 1 bars chain .... who DO run Disco's and very vibrant ones at that!Wouldn't they just be competing with themselves across the road?
Maybe it could be one of them?
Thats what they do in several other towns and cities.... in some places a Wetherspoons and a Lloyds are adjacent to each other, or opposite... as would be the case here.Interesting...and not good news for other struggling bars in the town.
:)If the rumours are true i think they will change the Palladium too a Lloyds and down stairs at the Clarence into a Wethers. D)Any major investment in the town has to be good news, particularly if it means we can cross one of our Eyesores off the list at the same time. $good$
Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
Was told yesterday whilst having my hair cut that some of the Hebrew Community had been seen exiting the building with a suited gentleman!
Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
Imagine the row when that happens! :rage: :rage: :rage:
Im still baffeled at what they are doing inside the tin hut on the coach park,to me it looks small but they have been working inside this tin shed for a couple of months and still no sign of a grand opening by her majesty,JFS Z**This has puzzled me too. The work has been taking months and has involved many people, usually 5 or more cars and vans outside it every day. Maybe a new HQ for Llandudno Regeneration Partnership? :laugh:
..and it takes six months to renovate a tin shed approx 30 x 15 foot in size? :laugh:
Oh yes, they had another job up the Orme recently?..and it takes six months to renovate a tin shed approx 30 x 15 foot in size? :laugh:
I've heard of builders like that! ;)
PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE let us know what is happening too Llandudno railway station,wrex, does the information posted last January help in anyway?
I was in Bangor today and noticed that the Railway Station was entirely covered in scaffolding; it's getting a full revamp.
Fester. Surely this should be bottom three. You car'nt have a negative top
Update on the Rhos Harbour Bistro site:
Yet again our road looks as though a bomb has hit it. Oh that's right the re-cyclers have been round. Why can't they put stuff back tidily like they found it. Perhaps they are in a rush to do another job
;D Looks like the station development is all set to start in about 6 weeks so hey ho,ere we go. ZXZ
;) They had a meeting with the town council on Wednesday and explained there was just one little grant they were waiting on and the project would start in about 6 weeks,which gives them 6 weeks grace from me on their backs.At the meeting where Arriva,CCBC and itake it network rail must have been there. D)Let's hope work will actually start this time! $good$
A new entry for the Eyesores section, the two derelict houses on Deganwy Ave in Llandudno. I believe the houses (which are linked) are divided into flats, all of which are in separate ownership. I recall one of them coming up for sale a while back, guide price £10,000. As usual, CCBC have taken no action in regard to this property, despite it being in this state for many years.
Someone's offered £24k for one - crazy. It's worth pretty much nothing. "Please note that this apartment is in a block of eight and the freeholder is unknown. "A new entry for the Eyesores section, the two derelict houses on Deganwy Ave in Llandudno. I believe the houses (which are linked) are divided into flats, all of which are in separate ownership. I recall one of them coming up for sale a while back, guide price £10,000. As usual, CCBC have taken no action in regard to this property, despite it being in this state for many years.
I noticed on Rightmove that one of these 'apartments' is up for sale
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30534241.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30534241.html)
Summary of rumours concerning future of Clarence Hotel:
1) Wetherspoons with hotel above.
2) Holiday Inn
3) Yates Wine Lodge
4) Travelodge
5) Premier Travel Inn
Perhaps we should run a sweepstake...? ;D
Is that another rumour or a fact?It's an unconfirmed fact.... :P ;D
Is that another rumour or a fact?It's an unconfirmed fact.... :P ;D
??? Still waiting to find out if Llandudno station is to be developed or left for another year. :-[Let me put you out of your misery, Wrex. The Scheme has been pushed back (yet again) and is not now scheduled to start until Spring 2012.
Nice to see you back on the Forum Jason..Hi Fester,
If you can't tell us the full story yet, can you at least tell us one thing.... ''are we going to like the plan?''
I just hope that none of the front gardens will be built on - I'm quite happy to see some of the later extensions to the building disappear.Nice to see you back on the Forum Jason..Hi Fester,
If you can't tell us the full story yet, can you at least tell us one thing.... ''are we going to like the plan?''
I think you will. from a historic building perspective it should be an improvement to what is there now, (see the old photo on my latest blog as a hint)
From usage aspect. I always believed there would have to be a compromise. The problem with compromise it may not suit everyone. I would have liked to see a little extra on the social side, but business is business and they have to make the development work.
There is a new element, of which I reserve judgement at this point.
Jason do you know why this town is being messed about and left to wrot.If only I knew. I have always had an issue with Strategic Regeneration Areas, they mean concentration of resources is concentrated in these particular areas. That's all very well as the areas do need it, but not at the expensive of other areas that if not looked after will be in need of regeneration sooner.
The pink flats in Deganwy Avenue have been mentioned several times on this thread.. good to see a skip outside them being filled up with builders' rubbish from inside the old flats.That's good news, thanks for sharing. $good$
Understand preparatory work is underway before they are turned into apartments.....it will be good when this happens as the pink flats don't do much to enhance the image of a street full of little hotels and B&Bs.
The Clarence, at least, will shortly begin renovation work to become a well known chain budget hotel on its upper floors, and a restaurant/bar on the ground floor.
I was just reading that article and noted Cllr Haworth's comments about it possibly becoming a 'holiday centre for Jewish families' - why refer to a particular race or religion? Her comments come across as being slightly anti-semitic! :(The Clarence, at least, will shortly begin renovation work to become a well known chain budget hotel on its upper floors, and a restaurant/bar on the ground floor.
According to the Weekly News today the only people who don't know what is happening are Cllrs John Boyle, Margaret Lyons and Janet Haworth! Or maybe it was just an apportunity to have their photograph taken to look as though they atually do anything! L0L WWW
I was just reading that article and noted Cllr Haworth's comments about it possibly becoming a 'holiday centre for Jewish families' - why refer to a particular race or religion? Her comments come across as being slightly anti-semitic! :(
The Deganwy Castle Hotel is to become a Boutique Hotel, Restaurant/Public Bar and Apartments, according to the Weekly News. Good news. $good$It's good that's its gone public I can now talk about it. I understand it will be a 8 room hotel. The old health club and the function rooms will no longer be part of the hotel and will be converted to apartments. The frontage of the hotel will have the 1960's extensions removed, and will take it back to the picture as shown below.
sorry anthony WE are talking about CCBC we have 2 long standing councilers who represent that ward ,quite a few buildings are ruins and they don,t seem to be bothered so i don,t know why they keep going in the elections umm wonder why
A small eyesore which I am attempting to have tackled....I've emailed Cllr Mike Priestley regarding the Shelter in Haulfre Gardens which is falling to bits and asked him to see if anything can be done about it. He's replied, saying he will look into it and report back to me. I'll let you know what he says.I've received a reply from Cllr. Priestley - he is arranging for a Contractor to assess the Shelter with a view to carrying out repairs. Hopefully, the cost will not be high and the work can be carried out.
This issue of homeless alcoholics setting fire to a building providing a roof, of sorts, over their heads---this has happened several times in Rhyl, the most ill famous being the lovely Grange Hotel. On youtube there is a video of the owner going around the wreck, nearly in tears.
Asbestos firm in the Clarence today, nice to see things moving. Z**
Let's face it we are never going to get a new modern train station it's all bull.
8) What do you think , a shopping center joining on to the station , a Waitrose. Primark ,T K Makk etc ,multi-story car parking, Cinema complex all under one roof, thoughts. WWW
Never mind Waitrose, E.H.Booths of Preston are even better. Currently their nearest branch is Knutsford I think.Certainly the sort of business that we should be trying to attract to Llandudno. $good$
Back in January, I contacted Cllr Mike Priestley (who is the Cabinet Member for the Environment at CCBC) regarding the chewing gum problem on Llandudno's pavements. His reply was:The wheels at CCBC certainly move slowly but it seems our prodding has finally borne fruit, with CCBC testing a new machine to remove chewing gum in Llandudno.:
"I think you raise a fair point regarding Mostyn Street and I totally agree with you that it is a mess. I would however, at this point like to state that chewing gum on pavements is a national problem. I have been looking at this problem and ways to tackle it for some time now and have seen a number of chewing gum removal equipment demonstrations. I have to say, only one has caught my eye. This year I will be looking to purchase some equipment to address the chewing gum problem and will be seeking the best and most efficient system. The biggest problem I see is the length of time it will take to clear a particular road or street of chewing gum. My department is looking into this with a view to working with partners. I can also look to place a business case to have a one-off cleanse followed by our staff keeping on top of the problem.
I am also looking at a three prong attack on this
Education in schools and the media pointing out all the problems this causes
Enforcement – catching and fining those responsible
Cleaning – implementing a cleansing schedule which includes the removal of gum from our pavements
The above, I believe, can make a difference to our streets and pavements and this is an issue I want to tackle."
Sadly, nothing has been done since to remove the chewing gum!
Full blog post:
http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2010/01/concidence-to-chew-over.html (http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2010/01/concidence-to-chew-over.html)
I can't seem to see any difference in the two pictures ???I think they were both 'after' ones, for some reason! The pavement around Bog Island by Habit Tea Rooms has been cleaned, looks a lot better.
Noticed a bull dozer on the site of the Gogarth Abbey Hotel yesterday. What's happening?
I expect the four horsemen will stay in the Clarence when they arrive ;D
Only the fourth horseman is named. His name is Death and he rides on the pale horse. The other riders are historically called Conquest on the white horse, War on the firey red horse, and Famine on the black horse.
Some news from just outside our area, but of interest nonetheless. The owners of Gwrych Castle in Abergele have launched their website for the redevelopment of it into a luxury country house hotel and spa.Dave, Do you know anything about the developers? I note that their stated aim is to undertake a restoration project that, when completed, will allow for public access to the grounds. I may be cynical, but I would have a small wager that if the project goes ahead, the "public access" bit will fall away from the completed plan. I am sure that an upmarket hotel and spar will not want the great unwashed tramping around their grounds.
http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle/ (http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle/)
Glad to see the Tudno castle is up for sale at last,a new sign up today ,development site,hopefully someone will be interested.That's excellent news. Did you happen to see which commercial estate agent it was?
Not sure whether it should be or not. The old Deganwy station site - work has been going on there this week. Are they just tidying it up yet again or is something more permanent about to happen?
The agent involved last time the Tudno Castle development was advertised was Mason and Owen.
This time, I can't find it listed online as yet. Are we talking demolition do you think? I hope it can be avoided.
I hope that the Elms Hotel will be sold shortly and will not need to go on the Eyesores list.It's been reduced to £375k if anyone is interested. ;)Check out Eddisons latest sales catalogue Dave on the 21 February 2012 http://www.eddisons.com/property-auctions/online-catalogue/163-24/ (http://www.eddisons.com/property-auctions/online-catalogue/163-24/) The guide price is now listed at £250,000 plus. It sounds cheap at that price but take my word for it, Its not. The damage that has been done to the property has to be seen to be believed. When I think back to the amount of hard work and money put into the Elms by Willy and Doreen Zwibbden it makes me weep. At the peak of the property boom it was up for sale at £760,000. How times have changed.
Billingtons' Garage, Conwy
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
Workmen and a portaloo inside the Clarence today. Window knocked out in Arvon Ave.They are starting the 'soft strip' of the interior, with more substantial demolition work starting in another couple of weeks.
Billingtons' Garage, ConwyMr Flannigan is having the front and back of Billingtons tidied up and painted, fair play to him. $good$ He would like to renovate the existing buildings but says the decision on whether that would be allowed is out of his hands.
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
I work opposite the site and admit the frontage does look better now it has been part painted. You just have to walk past though and the back of the building looks in a very bad and dangerous stateBillingtons' Garage, ConwyMr Flannigan is having the front and back of Billingtons tidied up and painted, fair play to him. $good$ He would like to renovate the existing buildings but says the decision on whether that would be allowed is out of his hands.
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
The Elms Hotel sold at auction yesterday for £250,000.The lady from The Queen Victoria says she is the new owner and doesn't think it will be ready to open this season.
..you currently have your hands full arguing with Ian regarding photography.I wouldn't go that far, mate!! :laugh: :laugh:
It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!Yes, it's in such a poor state that it will basically need to be stripped back to the walls and rebuilt. There will be two new extensions at the rear. The cost of the work is approximately £3m.
Latterly the top floor has been well occupied-- with pigeons !
Latterly the top floor has been well occupied-- with pigeons !
I hope they've found a nice new home :)
It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!Yes, it's in such a poor state that it will basically need to be stripped back to the walls and rebuilt. There will be two new extensions at the rear. The cost of the work is approximately £3m.
..apart from when they completely renovated the William Glover building on Mostyn St/Vaughan st? ;) Mostyn Estates take a long term view of these things..and that is the correct approach to take.It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!Yes, it's in such a poor state that it will basically need to be stripped back to the walls and rebuilt. There will be two new extensions at the rear. The cost of the work is approximately £3m.
When Mostyn Estates gutted their building in St. Georges Place (EX Bartons) and rebuilt the inside their estimated loss was in excess of £3.5 million. It was so expensive and over budget I was told they will never undertake a project like it again.
The builders have even come across problems or CCBC are just pulling the wool over our eyes.Possibly a bit of both, Wrex. ;)
I do understand that very few people on the forum have any interest in my little bugbears but this one has taken 11 years and still the people of Llandudno have a derelict station and we are left in the dark everytime it goes tits up,please county councillors have a little respect for your electrate and just explain,its not hard. :rage:
Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
I wonder if Mostyn Estates exercised this right.Why has the CCBC never come down heavy on Mostyn Estates? It puzzles me why CCBC pamper to them all the time.
If so, it has been a long time coming.Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
I wonder if Mostyn Estates exercised this right.Mostyn Estates have repossessed the Tudno Castle Hotel as the Leaseholder was in breach of the 1926 Lease. Looks like Ashley Moore has just lost a shedload of money. Having said that, he's had plenty of opportunities to sell it on and was seemingly happy to let the building decay to a state of complete dereliction, so maybe we won't be feeling too sorry for him. :roll:
If so, it has been a long time coming.
I think that could be DaveR;s insides after all his burgersCheeky! All the walking I do keeps me fit. ZXZ
As DaveR has reported on another thread, work has started this morning to demolish BILLINGTONS' GARAGE in Conwy.
Currently parts of the structure at either end have been reduced to rubble so it is hoped the whole thing eventually goes by the end of the day.
perhaps it's time for a mass protest like http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Bog_standard_beach_protest (http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Bog_standard_beach_protest) the one just held in Adelaide Australia.
Are there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
Are there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
Ive often thought thatAre there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
Ive often thought that something similar to this.
Why dont councils shut down all their public loos, which will save them loads of money/hassle & get some local hotels/public houses/cafes etc. to open their loos up to the public in return for a reduction in their rates.
And I also agree 100 per cent! Money is wasted on all sorts of silly things and then no money left for basic essentials like public toilets! I wouldn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry in my house either!
It would certainly be silly to expect all hotels/guest houses to allow strangers inside to use the toilets.
The closure of the Happy Valley Road Toilets has always seemed odd to me.
The hands are on the clock.:laugh: A LOT of local people read the Forum. :laugh:
I asked the man at the toll gate if the summit parking was free if you had the £15 pass and he said YES.
He wanted to know why everyone was asking the same question so I told him, " it is the power of the internet "
Iknow Mostyn estates have said they think the Clarence will still go ahead,but does anyone know what is going on.
Iknow Mostyn estates have said they think the Clarence will still go ahead,but does anyone know what is going on.
Heard on the news today that the proposed tenant, Travelodge, were trying to make a deal with their landlords to reduce their rent liabilities. Not looking good.
It would have taken you less time to Google the answer than ask the question... &shake&
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a70e6fe-f6b5-11e1-827f-00144feabdc0.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a70e6fe-f6b5-11e1-827f-00144feabdc0.html)
As our eyesores get into complete dereliction state how about an update on any progress from the powers that be
The London Pub is also for sake at a knock-down.I didn't know they'd turned it into a Japanese bar...? :laugh: :laugh:
Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!Get a Mac.
Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!Get a Mac.
You're wasted selling snake oil....Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!Get a Mac.
Why? Is it raining? :P
You're wasted selling snake oil....Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!Get a Mac.
Why? Is it raining? :P
The Kings Head's a better buy at £1.2M. Z**
If you take a look at any of the commercial web sites almost everything in the town is up for sale.
I cannot describe it, its unbelievable. Its a lenghty stretch and it is painted in an undescribable color, a mixture of pink and purple. Who the hell found this paint, or is it a laugh? Mike
This is more than an eyesore, it absolutely smacks you in the eye if you approach it from the west shore in Llandudno.
I refer to the color of the tempory (thank God) fencing around the building site at the end of Abbey Road, more or less opposite the hospice.
I cannot describe it, its unbelievable. Its a lenghty stretch and it is painted in an undescribable color, a mixture of pink and purple. Who the hell found this paint, or is it a laugh? Mike
Why the secrecy,so CCBC are forcing Mostyn estates to clean up the building,yet have left Mr Taylor to do nothing with the pier pavilion,classact.I believe the notice would being served on Ashley Moore, as he still retains the Long Leasehold on the Tudno Castle. Mostyn Estates were unsuccessful in attempting to forfeit the Lease earlier this year.
Do Mostyn estates still rule over Tthe Tudno Castle or did i read somewere the old occupants had been able to get it back.?The owner of the Long Leasehold, Ashley Moore, has regained control of the site. I believe CCBC are currently taking enforcement action against him regarding the state of the property.
I have seen people removing furniture from Augusta holiday apartments so i hope this means the properties have now been sorted and may see some action on the eyesore,there has been a wrangle over ownership and stuff, so its been in the hands of the legal teams,lets hope.Looks terrible at the moment. &shake&
Do Mostyn estates still rule over Tthe Tudno Castle or did i read somewere the old occupants had been able to get it back.?The owner of the Long Leasehold, Ashley Moore, has regained control of the site. I believe CCBC are currently taking enforcement action against him regarding the state of the property.
Work seems to be going on at Augusta holiday apartments,they seem to be clearing all the furniture.I suppose it will be better to have flats there than a derelict property, as long as they are managed properly.
I believe the eventual plan is to have two A3 units (Restaurant/Bar)and the Travelodge entrance on the ground floor. At present, permission has been granted for 1 x A3 and 1 x A1 (Retail). The retail unit would be far too small for a conventional Waitrose, their convenience store format 'Little Waitrose' might be a possibility.
I believe the eventual plan is to have two A3 units (Restaurant/Bar)and the Travelodge entrance on the ground floor. At present, permission has been granted for 1 x A3 and 1 x A1 (Retail). The retail unit would be far too small for a conventional Waitrose, their convenience store format 'Little Waitrose' might be a possibility.
Frankie and Benny's for one of the units I heard, plus maybe a Costa Coffee.
Did buff get rebuffed? :P
Well here we go again,we can now add the Grand theater to the list,maybe have its own thread because as we all know Broadway Boulavard is no more.I think we can now add it to the list sadly. The exterior/roof is not in a great condition and will require significant cash spending to restore it to a decent state.
Well spotted, Ian!
Not sure if this has been picked up and posted elsewhere, but it seems that the ownership of the Tudno Castle has definitely been sorted finally.
http://www.mostynestates.co.uk/news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-ownership-resolved/ (http://www.mostynestates.co.uk/news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-ownership-resolved/)
Colwyn Bay Pier?? 'Some Progress'??Pier acquired by CCBC. £500,000 grant given to Shore Thing to progress full application for renovation.
Have I missed something? :( :(
Penmorfa application in the pioneer today,28 apartments.Its a renewal of the current Planning Permission. Anwyl are claiming the the development is now underway because they have laid a pipe on the site. :roll:
Penmorfa application in the pioneer today,28 apartments.Its a renewal of the current Planning Permission. Anwyl are claiming the the development is now underway because they have laid a pipe on the site. :roll:
Have they actually laid this pipe and does anyone know what the pipe is for?I think it may be so that Anwyl can extract the urine, Hugo.... :-X :laugh:
A security company has sealed up all the doors at Broadway Boulevard. However, the burglar alarm is sounding continuously so....?
The lights inside and the neon sign have been left switched on since it closed. Running up a nice electricity bill for someone! I understand that all the fittings of value have been removed, which will make it twice as hard for someone else to come in and reopen it as a nightclub.A security company has sealed up all the doors at Broadway Boulevard. However, the burglar alarm is sounding continuously so....?
The lights were lit on Friday night
Shame about the Rhos Harbour Bistro site. It has such potential as a location... with a bit of imagination and vision. But I understand that the council own the freehold, so perhaps we might get some brand new conference rooms built on the site? ;)When we contacted CCBC about the Bistro site (about two years ago), we were told that there had been over 20 expressions of interest in reopening the cafe. Yet, it's still sitting there derelict? :roll:
Shame about the Rhos Harbour Bistro site. It has such potential as a location... with a bit of imagination and vision. But I understand that the council own the freehold, so perhaps we might get some brand new conference rooms built on the site? ;)When we contacted CCBC about the Bistro site (about two years ago), we were told that there had been over 20 expressions of interest in reopening the cafe. Yet, it's still sitting there derelict? :roll:
It's quite simple, either CCBC should let the site to someone who will refurbish and reopen it or they should sell the site.It's not acceptable that such a prominent site is left in its present condition.
Can i add the town beach,it was looking green tonite,iknow we have lost all our green grass but leaving all that green seaweed on the beach is a bit much,i know that CCBC have put all their resources into Colwyn and Rhos beaches but this is beyond a joke now.I arranged for a special taskforce to clean the beach this morning:
A bit difficult to tell from the photos but they appear to be what is known as 'tell-tales', there for the purpose of monitoring the extent and direction of any movement.
A bit difficult to tell from the photos but they appear to be what is known as 'tell-tales', there for the purpose of monitoring the extent and direction of any movement.
Who are Probuild "restoring Llandudno brick by brick and slate by slate". Is it Mostyn Estates?
Ah ok. I confess, I am not too sure of the difference. I googled AST and it seemed to suggest they were holiday lets, but maybe you can explain. Still, the advert looks nice and it seems to be a quality development, so fingers crossed!!AST = Assured Shorthold Tenancy - the standard way to rent out a flat on a permanent basis, usually a 6 month rolling Let.
If this well thought-up plan goes ahead, it will be very interesting to see if they are permitted by our wonderful conservation enforcement police, to install double glazed windows in it.I don't think anyone objects to double glazed windows, merely cheap plastic ones. If people buy Victorian buildings, they should be prepared to make the effort to maintain them to a suitable standard surely?
How unfortunate. Immediately after the last post there is (or was) an advert selling some type of double glazing
I don't think anyone objects to double glazed windows, merely cheap plastic ones. If people buy Victorian buildings, they should be prepared to make the effort to maintain them to a suitable standard surely?
I don't think anyone objects to double glazed windows, merely cheap plastic ones. If people buy Victorian buildings, they should be prepared to make the effort to maintain them to a suitable standard surely?
If only that were the case Dave, I want to install "Like for Like" sash style double glazed windows, which would cost me at least 3 times the price of the cheap ones (They look and operate just like the Victorian ones) and have been told under no circumstances will I be given permission. (Already installed in the Empire and the Merrion Hotels)
To help bring my heating bill down and make the place habitable during the Winter months the Conservation Department did come up with the recommendation that I install roof insulation in a Cavity Space that does not exist in my building and that I should install secondary double glazing but that was vetoed during my Fire Safety Inspection when the Inspecting Fire Officer said no, I was not to install it, as it would impede egress of the building in an emergency.
With 65% of Buildings in the Conservation Area benefitting from double glazed windows, of one style or another; with or without permission, all I want is a level playing field, lower Winter Fuel Bills and a Habitable home to enjoy instead of having to endure.
and they are allowing that monster of a concerete thing ,the new ysgol gogarth ,says it all about our council and mostyn est
How true Blongb-- we were told exactly the same thing---14 years ago ! Our windows are so bad that up on the top floor where we sleep we have been known to seal them with masking tape in bad weather.
It does seem very unfair, if the double glazing you seek is in a Victorian style.... and much worse is being allowed (or ignored) in other similar establishments.
Does anyone know why The Empire etc, are treated differently?
Work has started on the Black Lion in Conwy. Photo courtesy of Chris Dearden, BBC Reporter.
I recently had a dispute with CCBC and dealt with it by bombarding the Officer responsible on a daily basis and then when nothing was done did the same with the CEO, threatening him and his Staff with the Local Government Ombudsman. Result was a result
I often say the following words in a calm and measured voice... ''please give me the name of the person who is empowered to resolve this problem''
Seems a weird way of doing up a major hotel,no scaffold,no hoarding,very bizzarI don't think they can start work on the outside until the Road Closure Notice is issued?
It was nice to see the surveyors all over the Tudno Castle yesterday.I like the new signs on the Clarence,just a shame neither units has been let yet,not good that any of the large retailers have commited.Christmas lights have improved very slightly.Layout of the revamped Clarence Hotel:
Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
The developer will be paying for the work, Mostyn Estates will just be leasing the site to them, I imagine.Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
It doesn't appear to be listed in the January meeting so it may be listed in the February one but don't hold your breath.
Mostyn Estates are not ones to dip into their own pocket too quickly.
CCBC should watch this one carefully for any delays in restoration or rebuilding.
The developer will be paying for the work, Mostyn Estates will just be leasing the site to them, I imagine.Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
It doesn't appear to be listed in the January meeting so it may be listed in the February one but don't hold your breath.
Mostyn Estates are not ones to dip into their own pocket too quickly.
CCBC should watch this one carefully for any delays in restoration or rebuilding.
It also says in a separate brochure for the restaurants with the agents (WSB) that one of the restaurants is already 'under offer' to Prezzo, which will be a good name to have in town and a good quality national Italian restaurant chain (nearest one is Cheshire Oaks I think at the moment).
If those two restaurant units are approved on the Conway Road side that's an end to the Hotel having a car park
No one seems to have mentioned the knock on effects to existing hotels and guest houses of a large Travel Lodge and Premier Inn in Llandudno!
I suppose it will have an effect on some (and I think Llandudno is over-served by some types of accomodation that perhaps could be lost, mainly larger poor quality hotels which could be converted to housing or other use - the Clarence was a case in point before it closed). However, there are also people who specifically look for good deals in Premier Inns and Travelodges and go to places accordingly. These people might never have come to Llandudno without that kind of offer. There are lots of different types of traveller, some like staying in a cosy b&b, while some could be on business or can't be bothered trawling the net and would rather get a deal with their hotel operator of choice. I think it'll be beneficial for the town.I agree. I think Llandudno would, in the long term, benefit from having a smaller number of higher quality hotel bedrooms. Peoples' standard of living has increased so much in recent years that many hotels have catching up to do in order to meet visitors raised expectations of bedroom and bathroom decor. Visitors are not going to pay to stay in bedrooms that are not as nice as their own at home.
Their clients, many of them new to Llandudno, will come see the Resort for what it is, with its huge array of accommodation choices most of whom will be charging a lot less per night than the chain Hotels will be able to charge.
I suppose it will have an effect on some (and I think Llandudno is over-served by some types of accomodation that perhaps could be lost, mainly larger poor quality hotels which could be converted to housing or other use - the Clarence was a case in point before it closed). However, there are also people who specifically look for good deals in Premier Inns and Travelodges and go to places accordingly. These people might never have come to Llandudno without that kind of offer. There are lots of different types of traveller, some like staying in a cosy b&b, while some could be on business or can't be bothered trawling the net and would rather get a deal with their hotel operator of choice. I think it'll be beneficial for the town.
What proportion of Llandudno hoteliers still charge per person as opposed to per room?
The council are not happy at all about conversion from hotel/B&B to anything domestic. Planning and endless cost and red tape involved !!!!
When you can get a room from TL or Pr for £29 a night and sleep a family, I think they will be pretty busy with advance bookings.
TL are sometimes £19.
When you can get a room from TL or Pr for £29 a night and sleep a family, I think they will be pretty busy with advance bookings.TL are sometimes £19.
Go onto TL or Pr website and try and book a room in a place you would like to consider staying and see what rates you come up with. There is no way on God's earth you will ever be able to book a room from either in Llandudno for the prices you are quoting
Do we know how many bedrooms in each?
The council are not happy at all about conversion from hotel/B&B to anything domestic. Planning and endless cost and red tape involved !!!!
Not quite as difficult as you think Nemesis. 4 years non trading and there is nothing to stop you i.e. Plas Tirrion, Hafod Y Mor, Beaulieu, and Messina to name the ones who have already changed in my neck of the woods.
Thanks Fester.
I have thrown the Pioneer away but next week's NWWN may mention how many rooms in the new Premier Inn.
With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
What I can't comprehend is how local Councillors can hold their heads up high when they let these eyesores continue.
It seems like most of them are just like nodding Donkeys when it comes to dealing with anything difficult.
What I can't comprehend is how local Councillors can hold their heads up high when they let these eyesores continue.
It seems like most of them are just like nodding Donkeys when it comes to dealing with anything difficult.
The problem is that the Town Council is run by a few of the old brigade who have managed against all adversity to hold their seats for years and years. They ride roughshod over new Members, who have to toe the line if they want any of their ideas to get accepted. Wrex and I served together on the Town Council and generally it is just a tea swilling, Mayor making, Civic Sunday talking shop. No power and little action.
Those who are also on the County Council, obviously have vested interests and they come first. Why they are paid so much for attending a few meetings a year is beyond belief.
There are a few good decent hard working County Councillors but they too get outnumbered.
It is about time the Community took matters into their own hands and revolted against the two complete tiers of local Government.
ZXZ
Yorkie. I am preparing my burning torch and looking for my pitchfork as we speak!
The renovation of the Clarence Hotel is proceeding well, the roof has now been removed for replacement:Public accident waiting to happen at side of the shops with that JCB
Don't get to upset Hugo just remember who supported the ruination of our Beaches come Local Election time
Don't get to upset Hugo just remember who supported the ruination of our Beaches come Local Election time
Even though I don't live in Llandudno any more, it still annoys me to see what these Councillors are doing to my home town. Is there any way to find out exactly who voted for this eyesore? If so then people could be made aware of their names come election time.
From memory, pebbles were originally put there over 20 years following much debate. There was a lot of angst over West Shore at the same time - Dr Barber (?) was the consultant.
If the stones are removed, what will replace them to break up the force of the waves? Talk of a simple solution of groynes is, I feel, a little optimistic, as they will just not be effective in dealing with the more extreme weather we seem to be getting on a regular basis these days.
I took this photo of North Shore back in 2005 - hardly a sand filled paradise....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/25702332/in/set-72057594059686122 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/25702332/in/set-72057594059686122)
West Shore has sand doesn't it? Don't see the problem - Though to be honest I've not been on North Shore beach for about 20 years - too crowded for my liking
Why not do what they do down in Cardiff Bay and build a barrage which could double up as a berthing facility for larger cruise ships?
If the purpose of the stones is to break up the power of Storm Surges, which could undermine the Sea Wall, then it could quite easily have been accomplished by putting in a Rhos style Rock Groin further out in the Bay.
Why not do what they do down in Cardiff Bay and build a barrage which could double up as a berthing facility for larger cruise ships?
If the purpose of the stones is to break up the power of Storm Surges
Spring tides occur roughly every 2 weeks.
Sorry wrong thread about the waste ground ,why not just raise the height of the prom it would only cost about 25million as a guess .
I've signed this!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-pur-sand.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-pur-sand.html)
Well done! $good$ lots on Facebook about it!
The Skip is missing from the Colwyn Bay list! :twoface:I can see your logic, but I don't think we can add a building that is less than a year old to the Eyesores list. Give it another year or two first. :laugh:
Just for the record.......the new beach.
I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
It's still on the market at a price of £750,000. Personally, I think it would only take an offer of £250,000 to buy the place, given its non-trading state and general condition. I noticed that dodgy buldes had been flytipping rubbish round the back of it a few weeks ago.I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
This building is crying out for a website to promote its potential more widely and maybe attract some funding to at least stabilise its condition.
Any news on the Tudno Castle development? It seems to have gone quite quiet and the planning application has not, to my knowledge, even been lodged yet.I've heard that wheels are slowly turning in the background.
The Clarence had 58 rooms and the plans are now for 82.
Wonder what's happening?Nothing, it would appear! The last scheduled meeting to discuss the issue at CCBC was cancelled and its not been back on the agenda since.
Have they actually laid this pipe and does anyone know what the pipe is for?
Application No: 0/39941 Grid Reference: 277017,382193
Application Type: Certificate of Lawful Development Case Officer: Katy Roberts
Determination Level Delegated Team: Minor Applications Team
Received Date : 13/06/2013 Registered Date: 03/07/2013
Development Type(s): New Development
Ward: Gogarth
Community Council: Cyngor Tref Llandudno Town Council
Location: Land at Former (demolished) Penmorfa Hotel, Abbey Road, Llandudno, Conwy, LL30 2QY
Certificate of lawfulness for an existing use or operation or activity granted under code ref
0/34235 (Demolition of Penmorfa House and erection of 28 no. apartments) to confirm the
commencement of the development on the site by virtue of laying of underground pipe
Proposal
I notice Mostyn estates and Opus have missed their summer start on the Tudno Castle hotel,no chance of this one being ready on time either.
It is in a very bad way, to be sure. Having said that, the Clarence wasn't in that much better condition and the builders have done a fantastic job on that.I notice Mostyn estates and Opus have missed their summer start on the Tudno Castle hotel,no chance of this one being ready on time either.
Walking past today I was amazed how rapidly the building is deteriorating still further. I can't see anything of the original being salvaged the cracks in the walls look so ominous. My bet it will end up a total demolition job. Maybe that's why there is a delay ?
As we know Tudno Castle has no sign of a start,i googled Tudno Point and came across Movehut which seemed to mention hotel to let,u know me i hope ive got it wrongFortunately, you have. It's just the restaurant units that are to let.
Hi Dave, where did you see that? I can only find information about it being available for lease. Cheers.It's on here:
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Broadway Boulevard has been reduced to £500,000 now (was £750,000). Any takers?Llandudno and Wrexham nightclubs sale prices slashed to tempt buyers.
December is here and no sign of Opus starting on the Tudno Castle,looks like 2017 finish at the earliest.I suspect you may be right, Wrex, sadly.
December is here and no sign of Opus starting on the Tudno Castle,looks like 2017 finish at the earliest.I suspect you may be right, Wrex, sadly.
They can use that council car park further down Gloddaeth St maybe?
There is another car park across the road behind Wetherspoons.
and don’t forget hotel proprietors are given passes by Conwy Council for their customers with cars for street parking.
Ha Dave!It's about time! :D
I see that you have been given acknowledgement for the photography THIS time! :)
You must have a really powerful and tenacious 'agent' ;)He certainly carries considerable influence in local exalted circles.
You must have a really powerful and tenacious 'agent' ;)He certainly carries considerable influence in local exalted circles.
There is talk of renovating the theatre to it's former glory but is there any point ? What would you do with it ? Venue Cymru get's regular criticism for being a financial black hole but how would this new theatre compete without loosing a fortune too?
Trust members, who will announce a specific date and venue for the public meeting in coming weeks, have also launched a website, www.grandtheatre.co.uk (http://www.grandtheatre.co.uk) where people can make donations to the plans.
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355)
From today's Daily Post Wrex
Lenny Henry will still be sleeping under the stars. !
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355)
From today's Daily Post Wrex
Lenny Henry will still be sleeping under the stars. !
Or at Craigside, or the Junction? 😀
I admit I wonder why they don't simply demolish the old hotel then rebuild the façade as it was. After all, it's the look of the place that usually gets it listed, so providing they used materials as close as possible to the original and kept the design the same it might be okay.
I admit I wonder why they don't simply demolish the old hotel then rebuild the façade as it was. After all, it's the look of the place that usually gets it listed, so providing they used materials as close as possible to the original and kept the design the same it might be okay.
That’s exactly what they did with the old Davies Shop at the back of Clinton Cards on Somerset Street Ian.
and Hugo the Penmorfa has been left derelict quite deliberately and legally so that Anwyl will qualify for a huge tax break when they build on the site. I’m not sure but I think it takes 5 years to meet the requirements.
Is the Royal hotel on our list,if not im nominating it.Without a doubt; still no sign of a buyer and deteriorating rapidly. :(
They are due to finish the new bay hotel next week ,maybe they will go straight onto the grand Wrex . Some guys working on the Belmont this morning which they have bought .I was told a few weeks ago that the builders employed by MBI are due to move straight onto the Grand Theartre once the Hotel is finished.
Does anybody know what is happening with the Washington?Yes, it must be getting on for two years now that the 'refurbishment' has been taking place.
I never see anyone working there but the scaffolding keeps moving around with, in my opinion, no visible progress being made.
Can anyone tell me if anything has happened to improve the site of the Pier Pavilion which burned down in a fire ages ago?
Helig.
Thanks, Fester,
I suspected as much but had hoped that the council had been shamed into taking action to improve things. It is difficult to see how any reasonable council of a town which has tourism as a key source of income would allow this to continue for so long. I think there needs to be a local action group to campaign vigorously and expose the failure to act. 20 years is inexcusable.
Helig.
They seem to have fenced off part of Broadway boulavard,i wonder how many years that will sit thereProbably bits of the render falling off again. Hopefully, we will see some basic repairs to the fabric of the building at least this year.
I thought we were going to hear news on the Pier Pavillion weeks ago.Everything comes to he who waits, Wrex....
I thought we were going to hear news on the Pier Pavillion weeks ago.
blends in quite well with the Grand theaterStrangely it draws you eye away from the Grand. Maybe that's the idea!
I remember reading in a planning application a few years ago that the CCBC said that the Great Crested Newts had been "parachuted" into that boating lake so there shouldn't be any development of any kind there unless something has happened in the meantime.
The Boating Lake area at Eirias Park won't be like that for long as Conwy Council are intending to develop it as a 3G football pitch.
The Boating Lake area at Eirias Park won't be like that for long as Conwy Council are intending to develop it as a 3G football pitch.
There is a report here that another tenant is close to being announced for one of the remaining units at the Tudno Castle. The national restaurant chain isn't named so we will have to wait and see who they are when the lease is formally signed and then made public. And it says in the article that with this further signing that work will start in March. Let's not hold our breath, but positive news at least!!Well spotted, Greyhound! $good$ Interesting to see that there a few national restaurant chains with their eyes on Llandudno.
https://bdaily.co.uk/hospitality/18-12-2015/national-restaurant-to-open-at-opus-norths-llandudno-hotel-development/
As reported on here Broadway Boulavaed has supposedly been sold and at no stage whatsoever did MBI approach the Trust in respect of offering them itThis Llandudno Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust seems to be a bit of an odd outfit. They've only ever done one project and that was 14 years ago??! Perhaps they have spent the last 14 years preparing a masterplan to rebuild the Pier Pavilion...?
This Llandudno Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust seems to be a bit of an odd outfit.
Always told that the buildin was left to the people of Llandudno yet it seems to be in Mostyn estates handsThey probably own the Freehold, I suspect. That Enclosure Act of 1849 still puzzles me....how can ownership of 832 acres of common land be handed over from the people to an already hugely wealthy family?
There's a very useful site: endole.co.uk.
This provides much information free of charge on all companies. The Llandudno Seaside Preservation Trust Ltd has two directors currently - quite a few have left over the years. Those interested can check out the details on the site.
Has Grand hotel made the list yetIt's being considered for inclusion... ;D
Has Grand hotel made the list yet
Good idea there Ian, but where? The nearest proper car park would be York Road or Maelgwyn Road and during the summer they are often full and people are hiking along from West Shore to get into town.
whopeeeeeeeeee Tudno castle has begun
Yep, Ray Seager Scaffolding had it half scaffolded by mid afternoon.... lots of guys on-site.Great news! The Tudno Castle has been a prominent eyesore for far too long.
Its going to be great!
With no action on cleaning up our beach and Pier Pavillion left unkept how have CCBC got the nerve to pull aside a local buisness and tell them to pull down two small signs.Have to agree; they only seem prepared to take on people why they think can be bullied into submission. &shake&
Good idea there Ian, but where? The nearest proper car park would be York Road or Maelgwyn Road and during the summer they are often full and people are hiking along from West Shore to get into town.
Grand hotel use it as a dumping ground and they can;t even afford to paint their hotel let alone paying towardsgetting rid of their own personal skip.
I know that...you know that. ......but is it still owned by them? It seems to have had a fair few owners since Butlins had it.
$Roofing firm on Broadway Boulavard,something is going on.Yes, I saw that massive yellow Access Platform there yesterday. Hopefully, the start of work beginning.
Did nt see any doors open DaveR but I niticed vans everywhere I think they where all in venue cymru for something,i don't think they where in BroadwayThe front doors were open and someone was working on them, there was also electricians working round the side. $good$
Sorry DaveR,i see Mr B;s is being worked on again,i wonder what this time.When was the last time someone had a successful business there?!
Sorry DaveR,i see Mr B;s is being worked on again,i wonder what this time.When was the last time someone had a successful business there?!
How time flies, we stayed at the Esplanade for Valentines week end and left on the day of the fire. We had a walk up to the ski slope in the afternoon and could smell burning as we walked passed but could,nt see any sign of smoke, it was on the news when we got home that the pavilion was on fire. Its hard to believe that was twenty two years ago Still think the sight would make a good underground car park
It's a disgrace and the Council should be thoroughly ashamed of their lack of action and failure to address this matter. It would be a slap in the face for the town if the freeholders of the site could benefit from the Council's incompetence.
The same goes for the Penmorfa site which hasn't been developed in the 7 or so years since planning was originally granted for the erection of apartments.
It's a disgrace and the Council should be thoroughly ashamed of their lack of action and failure to address this matter. It would be a slap in the face for the town if the freeholders of the site could benefit from the Council's incompetence.
The same goes for the Penmorfa site which hasn't been developed in the 7 or so years since planning was originally granted for the erection of apartments.
Any idea's what the council should do ????
Snowcap are you telling us you could have saved us from that mess for the last 22 years had you reported the smell.omg
Are there 'professional arsonists'?I believe there are. Take a look at Brighton West Pier for a good example, which suffered two devastating fires in short succession in 2003, despite the fact that the pier was completely inaccessible from dry land at the time!
It has happened in the Conwy and Denbigh areas in recent years when builders have made an application to demolish a listed building in order to build an apartment block.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-18032686 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-18032686) ;)
When the Council has refused the application the building has mysteriously burnt down.
Like I've said already, who said crime doesn't pay?
The second photo brought back some memories and I can remember being able to walk underneath the bandstand but there is no chance now due to the rocks on the beach
Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard nightclub will open this month.Best of luck to them; I just hope that they're not hoping to do it on the cheap without the major repairs needed to the exterior of the building.
The Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno will re-open this month the club’s new owners have revealed.
Enigma Leisure has bought the Grand Theatre site from MBI Consulting and are now close to completing the revamp of the nightclub - which closed in June 2013.
The club will be run by Bijan Sharifian, who had previously run the club for 14 years, and he revealed it will be open “within” the next two weeks.
There have already been significant changes inside the club and workers are currently putting the finishing touches to the interior which will feature four bars, including cocktail and VIP serving areas, and a stage for bands.
They will initially open for three club nights a week but hope to expand that over time.
More than 20 staff are being taken on for the opening.
Bijan, who last managed the club in 2008, said: “I was here for 14 years so know all about the nightclub and I am very excited about being back here and making this a success.
“The club always did well and it was the administration of the parent company that saw it close.
“There is a demand for this in Llandudno and we believe it will be good for the wider Llandudno economy because it will bring more people here for a night out.
“There are those who were clubbing when I was there and earlier and our Wednesday night, called Revivals(the club’s original name) will be a nod to that with retro songs, from the 70s to mid 2000s.
“There will be more of a dance night on the Friday and Saturday will be more universal.”
Enigma said the investment in buying and revamping the site had been “significant”.
Bijan added: “We now want to bring in as many people as we can.
“We are making entrance reasonable, from £3 to £5, because we want this place busy.
“Everything is very nearly in place for the opening, we have our DJs ready to go.
“We are starting with three nights but we also see the potential for other special nights each month, with bands performing. The site will also be available for private hire.”
The listed building was originally the Grand Theatre, nationally famous in World War II as the popular radio show ITMA was broadcast from there.
MBI bought the site last year but earlier this year accepted an offer from Enigma.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-open-11306802 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-open-11306802)
The Pier Pavilion site isn't looking good at the moment
Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard nightclub will open this month.Best of luck to them; I just hope that they're not hoping to do it on the cheap without the major repairs needed to the exterior of the building.
The Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno will re-open this month the club’s new owners have revealed.
Enigma Leisure has bought the Grand Theatre site from MBI Consulting and are now close to completing the revamp of the nightclub - which closed in June 2013.
I do not know the layout of this building, is it possible to use other parts ?Not really, there's a few old dressing rooms and offices on the upper floors, but nothing of any real size, the nightclub takes up 90% of the building
I do not know the layout of this building, is it possible to use other parts ?Not really, there's a few old dressing rooms and offices on the upper floors, but nothing of any real size, the nightclub takes up 90% of the building
You can see pretty much all of the interior in this tour I did back in 2010:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490)
I notice that a variation in the conditions of the planning permission granted for the Tudno Castle Hotel has been submitted to CCBC.
There was a truck and scaffolders at the front of the building yesterday (Tuesday 6th) morning, wearing safety helmets and were looking up at the building! ... also a chap with a camera taking photos of the rear of the building (could that have been one of our forum members!)
They are the proposed 51 apartments by Anwyl at Penmorfa West Shore Llandudno. This is the consultation stage until the 13th February. The plans are available to see in the library. These are going to replace the old Penmorfa Hotel. You can contact Anwyl to let them know what you think via their website. The plans are on there as well.
I have since written to CCBC again and having had no reply I reminded them and this time I was told that work on the site "was deemed to have commenced by the laying of the pipe" So it's a contradiction of what I was told previously!!
Sadly, there is an attitude of mind around here, which is unlike any I've experienced elsewhere. It's best epitomised by a mental shrug, accompanied by the phrase 'Well, what can anyone do?'. It's an acceptance that nothing can be done, that the world is simply too overwhelming and these things will happen, come what may. We need councillors who will ask the right questions, and not simply accept things - which is what the vast majority of our overpaid cabinet do and what most of the councillors do. CCBC is unfit for purpose.
The new design is so much in keeping with the original hotel and the previous application for 28 apartments. &shake&
It'll rival the Pier Pavilion for it's inability to fit in to the surroundings.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171704/a-new-chapter-is-on-the-horizon-for-former-penmorfa-hotel-site-in-llandudno.aspx#.WIkrlIxD7fw.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171704/a-new-chapter-is-on-the-horizon-for-former-penmorfa-hotel-site-in-llandudno.aspx#.WIkrlIxD7fw.email)
Had a walk along there today with the dog,yes managed to get her out Hugo, the flats they built there do blend in nicely, but I,m sorry if anyone thinks these that they are proposing needs to take a good look ,this town prides its self on the views not a view of a tenement block .
On the subject of the hole in the ground eyesore, I lived in this area for three years before noticing it and then I had to walk within yards of it to see it! There is a much bigger eyesore that most citizens and visitors see every day that has been rarely mentioned in any media, what is it?
No Fester, the eyesores are lower down than your stomach.
Dave R posted a set of great photos from the hidden upper floors of the Broadway 'Grand Theatre' about 4 years ago.Can be seen here:
Loads of antiquated plasterwork and old theatre equipment simply sealed off and trapped in time.
This has seen them spending on an external revamp with painting and window refurbishment being carried before a new glass canopy is installed in March.Great to see the new owner trying to clear the maintenance backlog. The reinstatement of the glass canopy is welcome indeed. $good$
Sadly, it looks as though that will almost certainly be the case. The entire building is crumbling so badly now that renovation will not be economically viable.I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
The Castle Hotel looks securely fenced off but on the few times I've been past it recently there doesn't appear to be any work going on.,I had a look last week, nobody about, I think the snag is the building is to far gone/dangerous, and they are waiting until summer is over, then demolish it, start again, and I would not blame them, as long as the new build was in character.
Has it hit another snag?
The Castle Hotel looks securely fenced off but on the few times I've been past it recently there doesn't appear to be any work going on.,I had a look last week, nobody about, I think the snag is the building is to far gone/dangerous, and they are waiting until summer is over, then demolish it, start again, and I would not blame them, as long as the new build was in character.
Has it hit another snag?
I've just read an article in the NWWN by Tom DavisonCome on Tom, did you misspell your own name in that article or was it a NWWN gremlin? ?{}?
Has anyone got any update on what is going on at the old Penmorfa Hotel site?Anwyl have too much work on their hands to be concerned, they even get given jobs that the council helps fund too.
As expected an application has gone in to demolish the entire Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno. If planning is granted then I hope that the CCBC will insist that the building be completed within a short space of time as this eyesore has gone on long enough.
0/44433 Grid Reference: 278596,382104 Application Type: Listed Building Consent Case Officer: Dave Watson Determination Level Delegated Team: DC West Team Received Date : 21/09/2017 Registered Date: 29/09/2017 Development Type(s): New Development Ward: Tudno Community Council: Cyngor Tref Llandudno Town Council Location: Tudno Castle Hotel Mostyn Broadway Llandudno Conwy LL30 1YL Proposed demolition of Tudno Castle Hotel and redevelopment to provide 63 bed hotel, 5 no restaurants units and 1 no business unit to include the recreation of the listed facade at the site of the Tudno Castle Hotel (Listed Building Consent)
As I've said before Bri, I would trust developers as much as I trust politicians and solicitors and accountants. &shake&
Victorian and Edwardian buildings are irreplaceable, cherished, diverse, beautiful, familiar and part of our everyday life. They contribute overwhelmingly to the character of places people love and places where people live. They belong to all of us. Their owners are really only custodians for future generations.
Cllr Louise did organised a site meeting and has tried to establish who owns it, which is never clear , and a schedule of work has been agreed. I know because I was there.
At last something is happening at ' The Grand Ash'. Workmen are filling skips as fast as they can.
Still nothing at 'The Royal'
Looks like the Penmorfa Hotel project may go to the back of the queue again. What will CCBC do now about this eyesore?
I'd like to know the outcome of that dispute but it's a good job that the dog was restrained. Seeing the video hasn't improved my views on developers and they are still up there with politicians and bankers in my opinionI've had encounters with Elwyn in the past, he thinks he's the Equalizer. ;D
What is it with these people? They try every trick in the book to get their planning application passed and then they just sit on it and do little or nothing.Yet when you have a Developer trying to sort out the Pavilion site, some people aren't happy with that either!
What is it with these people? They try every trick in the book to get their planning application passed and then they just sit on it and do little or nothing.Yet when you have a Developer trying to sort out the Pavilion site, some people aren't happy with that either!
I,m sure the road closure is the 8/9 th of May for the castle demolition , do you know Hugo a guy who moved to the area partly blamed our family for the state of the hotel 😂
My apologies Bri, I was born in the Oxford House Clinic in Oxford Road. I think that the clinic in Argyle Road wasn't built when I was a lad
My apologies Bri, I was born in the Oxford House Clinic in Oxford Road. I think that the clinic in Argyle Road wasn't built when I was a lad
Something you have in common with my Wife Hugo, who was also born there. :)
Hugo it isn't CCBC that is holding up the build on the former Llandudno Youth Centre. Ravenscroft Homes Ltd who are the builders on the 26th April 2018 put in an application for a variation of conditions 2&5 of the planning consent already given. The revised plans have less parking than the previous approved plans, so that will have to be sorted amongst other things, before a decision by CCBC Planning Department, only then they can start.
It seems to have taken forever, I really feel for those poor people who live nearby, it's such a mess >:(
I believe start date for tudno castle demolition is 6th July (facebook)
Sorry Nemesis but I don't do facebook so there is no way I can find out. Is it the same Fairy Tale writer who once upon a time said that work would start before Christmas?
He,s not a moaner but has passion for his home town just a shame more people cant be bothered this council and Mostyn are killing our town .
The latest artist impression of the proposed 50 plus apartments is a joke and I do feel sorry for their neighbours if it is allowed to go ahead.
Hugo The D.Post reports that Anwyl intend submitting new plans for the Penmorfa site , any betting what the outcome will be , or am I being to cynical .
It looks about right for the occupations quoted. Huge divide in Llandudno between the kids desperately holding down two or three jobs to make ends meet and the pensioners, some with cauldrons of cash.
It looks about right for the occupations quoted. Huge divide in Llandudno between the kids desperately holding down two or three jobs to make ends meet and the pensioners, some with cauldrons of cash.
I’d challenge the Head Chef salary statistics, that one looks wrong to me.
I know one who is a hotel head chef, he earns between £35 and £40k
I also know a hotel owner, not a very highly rated one either, who pays his head chef nearly £40k, and his breakfast chef around the £35k mark.