Three Towns Forum
The Local => Local News & Discussion => Topic started by: DaveR on September 05, 2010, 05:32:43 pm
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Talk about the long running problems with certain buildings in the Three Towns area...
*all together now*
Llandudno
Pier Pavilion site Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg3886#msg3886)
Clarence Hotel
Tudno Castle Hotel Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg779#msg779)
Railway Station
Penmorfa Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg642#msg642)
Derelict site, Parc Llandudno
Augusta Holiday Flats, Augusta Street
Deganwy
Deganwy Castle Hotel
Conwy
Billingtons Garage
Black Lion Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2526#msg2526)
Fruit N Fibre Shop Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2605#msg2605)
Red Lion/'The Bombsite' Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2950#msg2950)
The Cockpit
Butterfly Jungle
Colwyn Bay
Colwyn Bay Pier Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg722#msg722)
Rhos Harbour Bistro Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg1186#msg1186)
A & A Cash & Carry, Abergele Road Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2780#msg2780)
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:-[Still waiting for things to start at the railway station,no sign of any action happening :rage:
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Hey, Rex, good to see you on board. :D
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What about the scaffolding around Wetherspoons? I was fascinated watching the guys erecting it, it really is a feat of engineering but I've yet to see anyone working on it! Does anyone know what's happening?
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:)Thanks Dave,could not get on but whey here i am and looking for a start date for the station. :o
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What about the scaffolding around Wetherspoons? I was fascinated watching the guys erecting it, it really is a feat of engineering but I've yet to see anyone working on it! Does anyone know what's happening?
Funny you mention that, I've been thinking exactly the same thing. :D Scaffolding's been up for a couple of months now yet no cleaning or painting of the building appears to have been carried out.
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Good to see you, Rex :-)
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Good to see you, Rex :-)
Yes, good to see you. I notice you're now Wrex rather than Rex. 00
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Good to see you, Rex :-)
Yes, good to see you. I notice you're now Wrex rather than Rex. 00
I can probably change Wrex back to Rex if he wants, with a bit of fiddling. D)
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Good to see you, Rex :-)
Yes, good to see you. I notice you're now Wrex rather than Rex. 00
I can probably change Wrex back to Rex if he wants, with a bit of fiddling. D)
Technically it's Wrecs
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Who owns all the land at the Builders Street side of the railway station? It's huge and totally wasted is that where the new "transport hub" is to be?
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Who owns all the land at the Builders Street side of the railway station? It's huge and totally wasted is that where the new "transport hub" is to be?
It's all owned by a company called 'Northern Markets', run by Michael Don from Manchester. He's not done a lot with the site (ok, anything), so I can only assume it was bought as an investment and he's waiting for a juicy offer from a retail developer or similar.
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Walked past the Tudno Castle Hotel earlier, the state of the building is declining quickly now. Broken windows, render falling off, fly posters, boarded up doorways - it all looks awful. If only planning permission had been granted for that Travelodge!
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Can you please add the Penmorfa bomb site to the list. I was looking at it today and it's a mess and as I was driving down the Marine Drive today an open top double decker tourist bus was travelling behind my car.
I can just imagine the driver on the tour bus saying as he passes the site "on your left was the home of Alice in Wonderland and now on your right is the White Rabbit statue"
They are both a disgrace and I wouldn't like to be living in the nice apartments nearby,especially if you are thinking of selling. :(
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I think that, in years to come, the demolition of Penmorfa will be come to be seen as a massive blunder. There was no need for it to be demolished, apart from the fact that the site owners left it exposed to the weather to deteriorate for a year or two.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2346258970_b1dd9aff84_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/2346258970/)
Going (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/2346258970/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/382084492_6df4e9a2c1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/382084492/)
Going (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/382084492/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3423740185_79a668ebf4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3423740185/)
Gone (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3423740185/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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I was looking at the Anwyl builders site trying to find out how much their new houses are on the West Shore. They didn't have it but do have a Penmmorfa site for a block of flats where Gogarth Abbey was. Is this an old project or something they are going to be doing?
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Anwyl bought the site for a reputed £2.4 million after outline planning permission was obtained. Obviously it has been a highly controversial project and was purchased with an option to buy subject to them getting planning permission.
The application was to demolish the newer extensions at either side of the main building but to retain the main part of the building and I believe that they wanted to build 29 apartments on the site.
They demolished the side extensions but left the main building. This was then either deliberately or neglectfully allowed to deteriorate and they then made a further application to demolish the remaining building and to add insult to injury they also applied for an extra 5 apartments to be built!
I have read on the old forum somewhere that Anwyl are restricting their major building projects so I don't think that these apartments will be built while the present economic conditions prevail.
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Another eyesore to add to the list is the Deganwy Castle Hotel. The front doesn't look too bad but have a wander around the back and you can see the extent of the deterioration. Broken windows, rendering falling off, peeling paintwork....it looks a really sorry state. I'm genuinely amazed that there isn't the hotel or pub operator out there with the vision and money to take full advantage of this building's amazing location.
The Hotel is up for sale, I believe the asking price is around £1million, a figure that i suspect reflects its value as a potential apartment block rather than a decaying hotel. The Brochure is here:
http://www.egpropertylink.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=4053543 (http://www.egpropertylink.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=4053543)
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It's amazing how quickly empty premises seem to deteriorate - buddlia and sedum especially soon get a hold.
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It's a magnificent building in great surroundings, there must be enough potential for someone to take it on. Let's hope it doesn't becme another Tudno Castle.
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The problem is that the price isn't realistic for a hotel operator to take it on. It would need to be probably £500,000 or less for a deal to make sense for them.
But the owner of the site knows that, just as with the Penmorfa Hotel, its worth far, far more as a development site than as a hotel. It all comes down to £££££ at the end of the day, which is a great shame. It's a potentially fantastic hotel in a great location, that would create jobs and buy supplies from other local businesses. Not to mention the hotel guests spending their money in Deganwy and the surrounding area. All that financial benefit to the local economy is lost forever if the hotel is demolished and rebuilt as apartments.
Maybe the Planning laws should be changed so that CCBC would have the power to designate certain outstanding buildings as 'Protected Usage'. In the case of the Deganwy Castle Hotel, it would mean that it could only be used as a hotel and no application for any change of use would be accepted.
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Under CONWY I would like to add
THE FORMER BILLINGTON'S GARAGE SITE
Anyone know what the up to date is on this eyesore?
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Under CONWY I would like to add
THE FORMER BILLINGTON'S GARAGE SITE
Anyone know what the up to date is on this eyesore?
My pleasure, Stan. :) I've also added in a few other Conwy favourites, namely:
Black Lion
Fruit N Fibre Shop
Red Lion/'The Bombsite'
The Cockpit
Butterfly Jungle
Here's a pic of Billingtons Garage - note the extremely large crack in the wall on the left-hand side of the building. I suspect the whole lot is slowly slipping into the Gyffin stream. The property is still up for sale with Muller but note the absence of any detail on their website listing:
http://www.mullerpropertyshop.co.uk/commercial_property_details.php?id=45 (http://www.mullerpropertyshop.co.uk/commercial_property_details.php?id=45) :huh1:
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There now follows a submission from the Colwyn Bay jury, namely the Pier. Abandoned ever since its former owner was declared bankrupt several years ago, its condition is deteriorating rapidly:
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Surely one of the silliest and most unnecessary eyesores is the building site on the corner of the new Parc Llandudno retail shopping centre. Once nicely landscaped it was immediately dug up again as they decided another retail outlet was needed.(?????) It now seems they have decided it isn't viable due to the recession the area has been boarded and looks a mess.
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:(Just off past the station now to see if any contractors have moved on to site,we still have two weeks of September.Just a shame if this has been delayed,why not let people know,simpeles.. :P
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Surely one of the silliest and most unnecessary eyesores is the building site on the corner of the new Parc Llandudno retail shopping centre. Once nicely landscaped it was immediately dug up again as they decided another retail outlet was needed.(?????) It now seems they have decided it isn't viable due to the recession the area has been boarded and looks a mess.
Yes, another good addition to the 'list of shame' and many thousands of pounds wasted ripping up a pleasant landscaped area that was apparently deemed essential under the original planning permission but was then not needed when CCBC were offered £400,000 'contribution towards parking in Llandudno' if the developer could build another store on it:
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2009/01/29/anger-as-derelict-site-is-an-eyesore-at-parc-llandudno-55243-22802022/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2009/01/29/anger-as-derelict-site-is-an-eyesore-at-parc-llandudno-55243-22802022/)
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A more in depth look at the Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno. The 54 room hotel closed in 2007, with the loss of 35 jobs, and an £8m project to convert into a Travelodge, Restaurant and retail units ran out of steam after problems with obtaining Planning Permission.
How it would have looked:
http://www.propertypilot.co.uk/pdf/160+667.PDF (http://www.propertypilot.co.uk/pdf/160+667.PDF)
It's clear from my wander around the outside of the building that it is in terminal decline - cracks everywhere in the facade. I think we can expect to see more large areas of render dropping off during bad weather this Winter. It's also clear that the interior of the building has been extensively vandalised by squatters etc in this Urban Exploration Report from June 2009 that has photos of the interior:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=41354 (http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=41354)
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Well done, Conwy CC planning department, yet again.
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:DAnyway back to something that is supposed to be happening,Jason do you have any information on when Llandudno railway station is begining,cheers. :-X
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:DAnyway back to something that is supposed to be happening,Jason do you have any information on when Llandudno railway station is begining,cheers. :-X
Hi wrex, I have to admit it is not something on my radar, but I will ask some questions and get back to you.
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:)Thanks Jason,i have asked six Llandudno councillors and its like trying too get blood out of a stone. :rage:
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;)Well Fester this is why i have asked Jason,at least you know he is honest and will tell you the truth.
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:(I wonder how long it will be before we hear the outcome of CCBC request to meet Mr Taylor over the pier pavillion. ps Jason any news on LLandudno railway station.
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:(I wonder how long it will be before we hear the outcome of CCBC request to meet Mr Taylor over the pier pavillion. ps Jason any news on LLandudno railway station.
Been a bit busy the last few days and evenings so had little chance to post.
I have asked a few questions about Llandudno Railway Station.
The item was discussed at Cabinet on 24th August, see Item 314.
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=2485&Ver=4 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=2485&Ver=4)
The situation is very complicated and Conwy CBC will act as a lead partner to apply for the grants required to do the work. There are 3 funding streams required to bring the plan together National Station Improvement Scheme (NSIP), Taith and WEFO.
The NSIP is a scheme provided by WAG following European Convergence funding. To apply for such funding Network Rail must first have performed a tender process for the a Design and Build contract.
WEFO is the Welsh European Funding Office.
“Taith” is a joint board of the six county authorities in North Wales working together to deliver substantial and significant improvements to public transport across the region. Taith have agreed last week that Llandudno Station would have first call on grants available next year. We now have to see if this is enough assurance for Network Rail to proceed with the tender process.
Network Rail have completed the Initial Design stage and should be ready to go out to tender for the Design and Build contract. Assuming all agreed in principle funding comes through then works would be due to start in Spring 2011.
The scheme involves improved passanger facilities, including an enclosed waiting area where the vehicular entrance is currently and a bus stop outside. Car parking will be provided where the disused platforms now are. Cars and Taxis will enter the site where the old building recently demolished was.
This is the information I have received, I have to say I'm a bit underwehlemd by the proposals. It seems to be basically just concentrating on the site as the railway station with parking. Not quite the Transport Hub I heard about some time ago. Then again sometimes simplfying things make them easier to deliver.
Regarding the Pier, Mr Taylor is a real person but it is true to say that keeping track of ownership of the Pier is quite tricky as the asset seems to move between businesses and his personal assets.
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If Rex has read this reply, I think he too will be ''Underwhelmed''
The Train Station is to Rex what the Pier Pavilion is to me ....and I fear we are both in line for massive disappointment.
On my part, I am giving up, its bad for my health.....in fact I expect to die before anything significant is done with the Pavilion site, and if I do I will have my ashes scattered on the site and HAUNT everyone involved in the LACK of activity. That does not include Mr Taylor because I think that ghosts are more real than he is. I tell you, its a tax avoidance scam, and Llandudno as a town is suffering because of it.
It makes me ... :puke2:
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:(Fester we must never give up and many thanks to Jason for your information,did bump into cll Ronnie and he tells me January,so there we have it,nobody bothers to correct information given out. :P
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Ever heard of the phrase..'Jam tomorrow?'
Well that applies very well in the case of the Railway Station ....
In terms of the Pier Pavilion no one has ever promised us Jam...not tomorrow....not ever.
Best I can hope for is a grassed over nothingness.....
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Another site for inclusion must be the former Rhos Harbour Bistro at Rhos on Sea. It was forced to close after a large crack developed in the rear wall (I've seen it and it is pretty worrying), it has been now effectively abandoned by the Leaseholder and Conwy Council have, as yet, done nothing with it. The thing with this eyesore is that it could be a real gold mine if renovated and run properly.
This is it back in happier times:
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:-[I think we need to add the Augusta holiday flats too the list ,its looking very very sad at the moment.
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:-[I think we need to add the Augusta holiday flats too the list ,its looking very very sad at the moment.
Yes indeed, I've just added it. Starting to look very tatty now.
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This one's just for you, Wrex!
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:rage: Croeso,welcome to Llandudno railway station the most neglected station in Wales,why ,because they have spent all the money in Newport,home of the Ryder cup,this is why the station plan has been downgraded from a transport hub to a mere car park,all the money has gone south ,again. :o
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What about the scaffolding around Wetherspoons? I was fascinated watching the guys erecting it, it really is a feat of engineering but I've yet to see anyone working on it! Does anyone know what's happening?
Apparently when it first went up Iwas told it was to paint the building, then I was told it was there to repair the roof, which I thought at the time was a little far fetched, now I'm being told its a ploy for tax relief, not sure how that works though x
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Well done, Conwy CC planning department, yet again.
I remeber The Grand Hotel in Pen closing down, it was in pretty much the same state. A few locals went in when it first closed, unbelievable what people over the years had left behind, each room in there was like a time capsual, they even found an antique violin in perfect condition. My friend has the original Sign. Its almost criminal that buildings like these are left to rot, but Ido feel its done on pupose though, the Grand should have been listed but of course there was more money to be made from houses on the site and to be fair they were much needed. Six months later the building was nothing but a shell everything gone from antique bathroom suites to the copper wiring throughout the building. Such a shame.
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The Grand Hotel in Penmaenmawr was a fantastic building, I visited it in its last few months and it was such a shame to see it in a wrecked state. Would love to see some photos of it at the end, I didn't have a camera back then. Now its been replaced by the little noddy houses.
There used to be a swimming pool in the basement of the hotel, filled by seawater pumped from the beach.
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The Grand Hotel in Penmaenmawr was a fantastic building, I visited it in its last few months and it was such a shame to see it in a wrecked state. Would love to see some photos of it at the end, I didn't have a camera back then. Now its been replaced by the little noddy houses.
There used to be a swimming pool in the basement of the hotel, filled by seawater pumped from the beach.
Excellent picture I'll have to copy that, yes the swimming pool was under the dance floor, it was a very popular destination for gentry in the early 1900s. Gladstone being one of its most famous visitors, which is why we have the Gladstone statue on the road leading to the Grand.
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Looks like some action at Wetherspoons at last. A team of seven or eight men from a company called "Classic Decorators" arrived at about 11.00 today and seemed to be carrying large tubs of paint onto the scaffold.
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Looks like some action at Wetherspoons at last. A team of seven or eight men from a company called "Classic Decorators" arrived at about 11.00 today and seemed to be carrying large tubs of paint onto the scaffold.
You beat me to it, Paddy! ;D Fester was telling me yesterday that they are going to repair the roof and paint all of the exterior - bet that's going to cost a few quid! :o
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They probably do it cheaper by buying pots or barrels of paint that are within days or weeks of their "best by" dates and then using a high turnover of painters to go through it quickly.
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Looks like some action at Wetherspoons at last. A team of seven or eight men from a company called "Classic Decorators" arrived at about 11.00 today and seemed to be carrying large tubs of paint onto the scaffold.
You beat me to it, Paddy! ;D Fester was telling me yesterday that they are going to repair the roof and paint all of the exterior - bet that's going to cost a few quid! :o
I don't doubt it Dave. I'm informed by a reliable source that it cost £23,700 to erect the scaffolding. I would guess that Wether's would then have a month or two to complete their works before they have to start paying rent on all that engineering.
I also found it interesting that the painters are from Cardiff. I would assume that they are being boarded up here while they carry out the work which makes it difficult to understand why a local firm couldn't have beaten their price!
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Today's focus is on the Black Lion in Castle Street, Conwy, an eyesore that is all the worse for the fact it is one of the oldest buildings in the town, dating back to 1589! It's been a mess for about 10 years or more now, although plans are being prepared by the Anglesey based owner to actually do something with it. Until work starts though, it's staying on the list! My mind boggles that such a fantastic building in a great location can have been left empty and uncared for, for so long.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4526608954_17769fb65b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4526608954/)
The Black Lion (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4526608954/) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
History of the Black Lion (taken from my blog) follows:
Black Lion (Y Llew Du), built in 1589 by John Brickdall, Vicar of Conwy (1569-1607); his initials and those of his wife appear over the door together with the date 1589 (they were married on the 10th May 1589). Brickdall's father was the Constable of Conwy Castle at the time of construction and later died of the plague.
The building was turned into the Black Lion Inn in the 1700s; a usage that continued for over 200 years (it was also the venue for the popular Monday morning Pig Market) until the 15th March 1935, when falling trade made it unviable. It then had a variety of uses, including tearooms and an antique bookshop, until it became empty in the 1990s when its condition deteriorated sharply due to dry rot. The exterior was renovated a few years back and it was then sold but no work appears to have been carried out since the sale - I believe the interior is just a shell. I just wish somebody would renovate it and bring it back into use- its a lovely old building, full of character, and in a prime spot on Castle Street.
A local artist, Jean Morgan Roberts, was born in the Black Lion and, in her book 'The Character of Conwy', she says "I grew up in the wonderful old atmosphere of the house with its secret passages, a cellar reputed to have an escape tunnel that led to the quay, a well, stables, stone steps to the town walls, a tower, Elizabethan fireplaces and a beautiful walled garden." You can visit her website here.
A local guidebook states that the building has two ghosts; one being an elderly gentleman who often sits beside the large fireplace in what was once the pub's parlour (see interior photo below), smiling to himself and nodding benignly. A former proprietor stated that 'he's a nice old fellow and we've got used to him and take his appearances for granted'.
The other ghost is quite the opposite, described as being a 'tall person in a cloak', bringing with him a 'feeling of malevolence' as he haunts the upper floor of the building. A former employee stated that 'he's a real fierce character...he has rocked the bed, frightening many a sleeping person, striking terror in the dead of night". Fortunately, the second ghost is very rarely seen!
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It would be good to see your post about the Black Lion also on the thread "Everything to do with Conwy" Dave.
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It would be good to see your post about the Black Lion also on the thread "Everything to do with Conwy" Dave.
Good idea, Stan, I've copied it over. :)
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Thanks Dave.
It is sad that such a building has been left to deteriorate to its present level. You just wish some benefactor would come along and carry out a sympathetic restoration.
I have just watched Grand Designs on Channel 4 where a couple restored an old Suffolk timber-framed guildhall - it really does show what can be done given that someone has the will and drive to do so.
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I'm hopeful that work will start on the Black Lion in the next couple of months - will be good to see it back in use.
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Certainly one of Conwy's longest running eyesores is the Fruit N Fibre shop on a prominent site opposite the Railway Station. I don't think I remember the building as ever been anything but boarded up and disused. Work started last year to renovate it but seems to have stalled early in the process and I don't think anything has happened in the last few months. Does anyone know more?
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Where does your comment start? I'll move the quote for you, if you tell me.
BTW - I hope you don't mind me mentioning that you don't need to quote entire posts; all you do is select the bit you want to quote, by clicking and dragging, then copy, then click the 'quote' symbol above, then paste. The trouble is that with long posts such as that one above, it makes reading the threads somewhat laborious, if they're quoted in their entirety.
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I'm hopeful that work will start on the Black Lion in the next couple of months - will be good to see it back in use.
My mind boggles that such a fantastic building in a great location can have been left empty and uncared for, for so long.
I tried posting this the other day God knows where it wenr lol, thanks Ian for the help.
I remember the guy who did the majority of the work on the Black Lion a few years ago, the trouble he had was it was a grade 1 or maybe grade 2 listed meaning he had to follow certain criteria and use specialist materials. So at every turn there was red tape, In this current finantial climate it's no suprise its been left on the back burner. I mean what could you use it as apart from a very expensve private house.
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I've always thought it would make a great upmarket cafe, very similar to Tu Hwnt I'r Bont in Llanrwst. You could create a fabulous outdoor seating area in the courtyard area at the back. :)
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I've always thought it would make a great upmarket cafe, very similar to Tu Hwnt I'r Bont in Llanrwst. You could create a fabulous outdoor seating area in the courtyard area at the back. :)
I've always thought it would make a great upmarket cafe, very similar to Tu Hwnt I'r Bont in Llanrwst. You could create a fabulous outdoor seating area in the courtyard area at the back. :)
I love that cafe, I think thats a good idea, you could sell some excellent real local crafts, Conwy and the surrounding area are heaving with people who produce and sell some fantastic craft work, Imagine that all old photos etc on the walls, yep that would be good.
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Anwyl intent was honest enough. Remove the 2 wings from the original villa and then incorporate it into the new building. It was only when the demolition was complete that the parlous state of the villa was reviled. It was so bad there was no option but to pull it down. ))* The questions that needs to be answered is why didn't the Council require Anwyl to carry out a full forensic survey of the property before any demolition work was allowed and in a Historic town like Llandudno why wasn't it a listed site *&(
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Come on, Blongb, you know how well built Victorian buildings are. After the side extensions were removed, Penmorfa was left exposed to the elements for how long? No building will last long unless it is watertight and Penmorfa certainly wasn't maintained in any way by Anwyl - just take a look at the photo below! The simple fact is that Anwyl could squeeze a couple more apartments on the site without Penmorfa standing, so money talked in the end and Penmorfa was demolished, in my view.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3046748256_081a23be63_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3046748256/)
Last days of Penmorfa.... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/3046748256/) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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My view also Dave. :(
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In the vast majority of people's views too, Dave.
You are spot on. The existing Pen Morfa was a major inconvenience, and the windows on the upper floors and roof area were CYNICALLY left open or broken to ensure the required deterioration occured as quickly as possible.
The roof was a glowing testament to Victorian quality ... despite getting battered by the West Shore gales, throughout the demolition period, it stood stubbornly and defiantly. There was never even a slate out of place until the bulldozers smashed them.
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Over in Colwyn Bay, we have the former A & A Cash & Carry Shop at 7 Abergele road. For many years, it was famous locally as 'Dandos Toy Shop'. Originally a beautifully designed shop (by Colwyn Foulkes), the building is now empty and abandoned, with a hideous steel shutter all along the ground floor and only its upper exterior retaining the original design. With significant grant money available from the Heritage Lottery Fund to pay for restoration of original features, now is the time for this building to be restored to its former glory.
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Who owns all the land at the Builders Street side of the railway station? It's huge and totally wasted is that where the new "transport hub" is to be?
It's all owned by a company called 'Northern Markets', run by Michael Don from Manchester. He's not done a lot with the site (ok, anything), so I can only assume it was bought as an investment and he's waiting for a juicy offer from a retail developer or similar.
It's not entirely wasted.
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Today's eyesore is what's known locally as the Bombsite in Conwy. It's one corner of Lancaster Square that has been left derelict ever since the 1970s when the former Estate Office was demolished. There was a also a small Public Toilet on the site which was demolished in the 1980s(?). The site is an overgrown mess. The whole block, from the Red Lion buildings down to and including the former Bethesda Chapel is, I believe, owned by Stange & Co Ltd (who were once a fruit and veg retailer in Llandudno but moved into pubs, owning the Cottage Loaf in Llandudno). In 2004, they submitted a planning application to demolish the Red Lion and Bethesda chapel, replacing them with a cafe-bar, with apartments above. I don't recall if the application was approved or not but no work has ever taken place.
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I find 'Sober' to be a very over-rated state of being.
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I find 'Sober' to be a very over-rated state of being.
I agree. Z**
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Potentially positive news about the Deganwy Castle Hotel, in that it looks as though it has been sold and may remain as a hotel:
Alistair Greenhalgh, of Savill’s:
“A sensible offer on the hotel has been made, and we are waiting to hear back from Enterprise Inns. We anticipate that if they accept the offer the sale could go through before Christmas.” Although Mr Greenhalgh wouldn’t be drawn on who has made the offer, it’s understood it has come from someone who is both a local property developer and a hotel owner."
Let's hope it's not Ragheb from the Clarence! :o 8)
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It's good that someone is interest in buying Deganwy Castle Hotel but when I read that the person is a property developer as well as a hotel owner my first thoughts were that the building will be the next one to be demolished to make way for apartments on the site.
Perhaps I'm being cynical but that has happened to many properties on that road. The person could make an option to buy subject to obtaining planning permission or as he is a developer he may test the water with CCBC beforehand.
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It's good that someone is interest in buying Deganwy Castle Hotel but when I read that the person is a property developer as well as a hotel owner my first thoughts were that the building will be the next one to be demolished to make way for apartments on the site.
Perhaps I'm being cynical but that has happened to many properties on that road. The person could make an option to buy subject to obtaining planning permission or as he is a developer he may test the water with CCBC beforehand.
The word on Oscars blog is that Charlie Lynch is buying it.
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It's good that someone is interest in buying Deganwy Castle Hotel but when I read that the person is a property developer as well as a hotel owner my first thoughts were that the building will be the next one to be demolished to make way for apartments on the site.
Perhaps I'm being cynical but that has happened to many properties on that road. The person could make an option to buy subject to obtaining planning permission or as he is a developer he may test the water with CCBC beforehand.
The word on Oscars blog is that Charlie Lynch is buying it.
It has come to my attention that this could very well be correct.
When I spoke with the agents on Monday they would not be drawn, obviously, on any names. The last time I spoke with them they did say that no Hotel Operators had been interested. I then asked whether the latest offer was from a Hotel Operator, he confirmed that interest had been shown by both property developers and as a Hotel. So I'm taking that as confirmation that the latest offer is being made for the site to continue as a Hotel.
There hasn't been any contact with the Council at the moment.
They are hoping if the offer is accepted that the sale will complete by Xmas.
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Calling Charlie Lynch a Hotel Operator is like calling a Big Issue Seller a Newsagent. :o He runs the CFL Investment Co. Ltd and owns a lot of property around the area, most notable being the derelict church hall in the centre of Rhos On Sea and the 31 bedroom Rothesay 'Hotel' on Colwyn Bay promenade that houses exclusively DSS claimants. Hmmm...31 bedrooms at over a hundred quid a week each from the taxpayer = nice little earner. Don't blame him, he's a businessman...and a very good one too. But I'd advise keeping a very close eye on developments, Jason. Would change of use be needed if the Deganwy Castle was lined up to house DSS?
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Well,i agree with most of the above,it is sad when a place is left to the elements,especially with it's history....... $wales
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WOW... if being on the dole these days gets you a pad overlooking the Conwy Estuary, with views overlooking the Marina ..and directly to a medieval castle, where do I sign up?
What's the point in any of us working, buying property or bettering ourselves.
Tell that Big Issue seller to throw those mags in the bin .... The Deganwy Castle is his next home ... whoo hoo !!
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What's the point in any of us working, buying property or bettering ourselves
Presumably so you don't have to live alongside the 99 other DSS families.
Again, we come down to the legislation, which dictates we can't leave people to die on the street simply because they can't afford to buy into the extortionately over-priced private housing market.
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What's the point in any of us working, buying property or bettering ourselves
Presumably so you don't have to live alongside the 99 other DSS families.
Again, we come down to the legislation, which dictates we can't leave people to die on the street simply because they can't afford to buy into the extortionately over-priced private housing market.
Now that we know that Mr Lynch is interested in the Deganwy Castle Hotel it seems that the buiding will be used for the DSS or developed into apartments. With regard to the statement that we can't leave people to die on the streets I completely agree with that. but how many of these people at the Rothesay are from the streets of North Wales?
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but how many of these people at the Rothesay are from the streets of North Wales?
Indeed, but that's the problem. Again, because of the legislation the council has to house those who declare themselves homeless. So - again - what do we do?
Also, I'm not entirely sure of the relevance as to where they originate.
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Every town has its own problem with available housing needs and the Social Services quite rightly have a legal and a moral responsibility to deal with the problem irrespective of whether the person has deliberately made themself homeless or are on long term benefit.
Colwyn Bay's problems were no different to any other town but the Houses of Multiple Occupation, bedsits in other words have grown considerably to the extent that CCBC has acknowledged that there are too many in the area.
As has been pointed out, these owners of HMO's are just in business to make money and are not concerned who foots the bill as long as the rent is paid.
The relevance of my point is that the Bay already has a problem with bedsits but some owners of HMO's are allegedly actually advertising in the Inner city newspapers offering their accomodation to the unemployed. This is in contravention of the Social Service regulations and just adds to the existing social problems and degeneration in the local area
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In fact, I agree with you. The big question, however, is what we do about it. In the long run, it's a UK-wide problem, and one that goes to the root of the family structure. I suspect we're going to have to do something drastic about parenting before the problem eases.
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I haven't got an answer Ian, but you are right about the family structure being at the root of it. With so much PC and Human Rights issues the odds are stacked against anything drastic being done but it's about time the rights of the majority were listened to for once.
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But I'd advise keeping a very close eye on developments, Jason. Would change of use be needed if the Deganwy Castle was lined up to house DSS?
Thanks Dave and other contributors for the information, thoughts and advice. I am keeping a close eye on things and have already started discussions with officers of the Council. The hotel would not need change of use if it was to house emergency short term cases. If it was to become a hostel it would need planning (i understand). It is at this point all hyperthetical and until we have conformation is it a case of keeping a watching brief.
There are developments with the Housing services to find alternative solutions to using Hotel etc. 2 departments and teams are being brought together to formulate a combined approach across the authority.
We can not choose who buys the Hotel, what I can do is welcome the new owner (whether it be Mr Lynch or someone else) and work with them in the best interests of Deganwy.
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Let's all hope that whoever buys it decides to take full advantage of its great position and reopen it as a hotel, fully refurbished! :)
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I remember Charlie Lynch stating in the NWWN that he was buying up all the property on that block and would turn them into apartments. Don't know what happened after that because Charter Homes bought the property on either side of The Toad and they built apartments there.
It's difficult enough for Hoteliers at the present moment and if Dennis Chin couldn't make a go of it after all the effort he has put in then it will require some one who is there for the duration and is prepared to invest a lot of money into the project.
I don't think that Mr Lynch fits that criteria so I would expect DSS bedsits or apartments to be there if he does purchase the property. I hope that that doesn't happen and I am proved wrong
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I don't know the fella, this Lynch. but if I was going to develope the site I'd make it into Luxury Apartments, more money, less objection, better suited to the area. Obviously I hope it remains a hotel but I think Hugo has a point If Dennis Chin can't do it, begs the question, is it viable?
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I don't know the fella, this Lynch. but if I was going to develope the site I'd make it into Luxury Apartments, more money, less objection, better suited to the area. Obviously I hope it remains a hotel but I think Hugo has a point If Dennis Chin can't do it, begs the question, is it viable?
Definitely, but it needs investment. When I last went in there a couple of years ago, it didn't look like it had been touched since the 1970s. People expect more these days and aren't prepared to put up with low standards. A fantastic location for a Hotel but needs a big revamp.
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A fantastic location for a Hotel but needs a big revamp.
Same goes for the Clarence unfortunatly. Do you think the fully maintainable leases given by Mostyn Estates cause the demise of some of Llandudnos properties. Everyone trying to move on before the delapidation orders rise beyond the lease price. Shame
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I don't think so. Most of Llandudno's eyesores are freehold properties, rather than on Long Leasehold from Mostyn Estates. The Clarence, Pier Pavilion site, Tudno Castle Hotel, Railway Station Goods Yard - all freeholds. Mostyn Estates will not allow their properties to get into semi-derelict states, usually.
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I don't think so. Most of Llandudno's eyesores are freehold properties, rather than on Long Leasehold from Mostyn Estates. The Clarence, Pier Pavilion site, Tudno Castle Hotel, Railway Station Goods Yard - all freeholds. Mostyn Estates will not allow their properties to get into semi-derelict states, usually.
Ah didn't realise sorry. All I ever hear since being in Llandudno is Mostyn Estates etc *&(
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:( Fester having sat on the town council for nine years the Pier Pavillion was brought up twice,once by Roy Gambrill and once by Malcom Bullock both since lost their seats,really caring about LLandudno does not go down well on the council . ¢¢##
This is what infuriates me about the council and councillors. Half of them are only there for the expenses. (I dont mean you Wrex) When will they realise the whole point is to serve the people who pay their wages, the likes of you and me. It's always been the same, they serve themselves, and make their jobs easier by doing NAFF all.
:rage: $smack$
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Town Councillors do not get paid, or any expenses for attending meetings. ¢¢##
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Town Councillors do not get paid, or any expenses for attending meetings. ¢¢##
I meant councillors on the whole, not just the town councillors. I didn't realise the town councillors don't get paid, so what is there roll then ? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know? )*)&
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Take a look here and all will become clear! <:<:<:<
http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/ (http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/)
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Town Councillors do not get paid, or any expenses for attending meetings. ¢¢##
I meant councillors on the whole, not just the town councillors. I didn't realise the town councillors don't get paid, so what is there roll then ? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know? )*)&
That's actually a good question. I assume the formation of the Town Council was meant as a sop to Llandudno when the old Llandudno Urban District Council was abolished? Although the Town Councillors do not receive any payments, a large amount of money is spent on administration, with several members of staff doing....well, I don't know what they do all day, to be honest, as the Town Council's responsibilities and powers are so limited. I wish I could give you the exact figures as to how much is spent, but they don't seem very keen on publishing the information on their website.
I still say, scrap the lot of them and let's have an elected Mayor instead, with direct control over local services in the town.
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A few years ago I got all the Council's accounts using the F O I Act. In that year much money was thrown out of the window including £5,000 on watering the hanging baskets on Mostyn Street. A lot of money goes on Grants to local Organisations such as the Guides, Scouts, Rugby Club and other "deserving" organisations.
A few thousand goes on Civic Sunday, a thousand or so to Town Twinning, 10K on rent to CCBC. About another 100K on Staff Salaries, Pensions etc. A few thousand on cleaning pathways and maintaining some communal areas, plus subsidising bog island conveniences. That is just some of what happens to the precept they receive.
Tessa Wildermoth will supply figures if you need them but they are published every month with the Council Minutes and are available in the Public Libraries.
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About another 100K on Staff Salaries, Pensions etc.
This is what interests me. A total budget of around £300,000, I believe, and a third of it is spent on just paying their wages, with not one penny of actual benefit to the town. How can such a large wages bill be justified? In the private sector, they would have all been out on their ear long ago.
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The Staffing level increased by 50% a couple of years ago even though they have spent a fortune on IT equipment under the previous Town Clerk. Toby even maintained a decent web site that was worth a visit every now and then.
I think you may find that the Precept is now a lot more than 300K.
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An attractive structure befitting the town's heritage with a useful purpose would be nearer the mark.
Yes, just like Venue Cymru.
Don't you just love that "Victorian" roof? The architect must have been a chip off the old block.
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Don't you just love that "Victorian" roof? The architect must have been a chip off the old block.
That was itself a cost issue. A fly tower was essential, or the theatre wouldn't have attracted any half-way decent shows. But what's on show is the bare bones construction, with no attempt to integrate the style into the prevailing architecture. To have attempted that would probably have doubled the cost.
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Don't you just love that "Victorian" roof? The architect must have been a chip off the old block.
That was itself a cost issue. A fly tower was essential, or the theatre wouldn't have attracted any half-way decent shows. But what's on show is the bare bones construction, with no attempt to integrate the style into the prevailing architecture. To have attempted that would probably have doubled the cost.
I was told by a senior source at VC that maintenance of the building is a nightmare, due to its not fantastic standard of construction.
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That's right. It was a very 'suck and see' operation, and their main target was cost saving throughout. Given what the mere construction of a fly tower involves, I've always thought it astonishing that we actually got one. Might not have for much longer ,if the place can't make money.
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That's right. It was a very 'suck and see' operation, and their main target was cost saving throughout. Given what the mere construction of a fly tower involves, I've always thought it astonishing that we actually got one. Might not have for much longer ,if the place can't make money.
Maybe they should have bought the Pavilion back in 1984 when they had the chance?
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I seem to remember reading in the NWWN at the time that the roof of Venue Cymru was built like that to withstand the strong winds at Llandudno.
I did think that the explanation was strange as there is no other building like that in Llandudno.
It's a bit like the carbuncle on the top of Conwy Town Hall.
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Yes unfortunately,we should do something about theses "eyesores" before it's too late...... :(
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::) I wonder if Llandudno railway station has survived the welsh assembly cuts today or will we be left with the hoardings for years to come.
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I sincerely hope so, Wrex!
I was told that there had been a lot of activity at another of the premises on the 'Local Eysores' list this week, the Rhos Harbour Bistro, so I went to have a look. I was told that the kitchen equipment and furniture had been removed and taken away. Well, what a mess awaited me - there were old fridges and kitchen equipment scattered around the outside of the cafe and the inside looked as if it had been ransacked. Whoever takes it on is going to have their work cut out!
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I have not heard a peep about three MAJOR topics which have been aired over the last few months.
One article ... one news report.... a flurry of blogs... then NOTHING.
1, Pier Pavilion
2, Colwyn Bay Pier
3, Clarence Hotel / Tudno Castle
Please tell me I'm wrong, and I've missed some positive progress?
APATHY REIGNS SUPREME ONCE AGAIN :rage: :( :(
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Please tell me I'm wrong, and I've missed some positive progress?
No, you're quite right, sadly. No progress whatsoever. :(
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I've read all the comments on other people’s eyesores and quite forgot until this evening to mention the closed Public Toilets that are boarded up at the beginning of Happy Valley Road in Llandudno. They were the first public Loo's to be opened in the town and even if it does cost a lot to reopen them, the need is still there. One of the saddest sites you can whiteness is just before the start of one of the periodic races around the Orme. Up to 500 runners all looking for somewhere to go. The path up to the Cable Car gets a really good watering I can tell you. CCBC response was to offer me a couple of hundred pounds if I would let the general public come in and use the first floor Loo in my place, I think not! Open or shut the council still has to pay Rates on the premises, and the current rateable value on just these loo’s is £3550.
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Imagine the amount of desperate people using the few businesses to join the council's toilet scheme at the Celtic fayre !
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I've read all the comments on other people’s eyesores and quite forgot until this evening to mention the closed Public Toilets that are boarded up at the beginning of Happy Valley Road in Llandudno. They were the first public Loo's to be opened in the town and even if it does cost a lot to reopen them, the need is still there. One of the saddest sites you can whiteness is just before the start of one of the periodic races around the Orme. Up to 500 runners all looking for somewhere to go. The path up to the Cable Car gets a really good watering I can tell you. CCBC response was to offer me a couple of hundred pounds if I would let the general public come in and use the first floor Loo in my place, I think not! Open or shut the council still has to pay Rates on the premises, and the current rateable value on just these loo’s is £3550.
Have you noticed that some kind soul has removed one of the boards covering the broken skylights on the roof?
Back In April, I actually enquired about buying the old toilet block (for conversion into a small workshop/office/retail) but, guess what, after some initial enthusiasm, I'm still waiting to hear back from CCBC. The Freehold is owned by, who else, Mostyn Estates, and CCBC have a Long Lease on the site.
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Imagine the amount of desperate people using the few businesses to join the council's toilet scheme at the Celtic fayre !
I think the Organisers provided a load of Portaloos to cope with the rush.
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Have you noticed that some kind soul has removed one of the boards covering the broken skylights on the roof?
I had occasion to be up on that roof with an RSPCA Inspector quite recently, whilst rescuing an injured fox cub. Not only has the “kind soul" removed one of the skylight boards but they have also smashed up every piece of porcelain inside to boot. The mindlessness of it beggars belief
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BlongB, if I were you I would TAKE the council's £200 safe in the knowledge that no one will ever use your 1st floor loo.
Its free money.
This scheme is a joke, because the general public would never realise that they could avail themselves in a private business.
Hell, most people wouldn't dare go into a pub just to use the loo.
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Hell, most people wouldn't dare go into a pub just to use the loo.
I have several times D)
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Have you noticed that some kind soul has removed one of the boards covering the broken skylights on the roof?
I had occasion to be up on that roof with an RSPCA Inspector quite recently, whilst rescuing an injured fox cub. Not only has the “kind soul" removed one of the skylight boards but they have also smashed up every piece of porcelain inside to boot. The mindlessness of it beggars belief
Oh dear. Have you informed CCBC?
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Oh dear. Have you informed CCBC?
Yes Dave, they got an E-mail about it, which I sent to the Environment Dept. As for Festers idea of just taking the money no can do. You can't refuse entry and you have to display a sign on your door to say that your Loo is open for the public to use. The Council publishes a very nice list of all the premises in the scheme on their website. That for us would amounts to a public invitation to every thief for a 100 miles to come and pay a visit. I just hope anyone thinking of taking the money talks to their Insurance Co. first. http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7840&doc=26345 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7840&doc=26345)
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Imagine the amount of desperate people using the few businesses to join the council's toilet scheme at the Celtic fayre !
I think the Organisers provided a load of Portaloos to cope with the rush.
I was manning a 'wood hut' selling Christmas Cards, there were portaloos, but they were fenced off and everyone was being directed to Tribells.
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BlongB, I think in your situation I would feel exactly the same.... but I have to wonder how when someone is bursting for a pee they will find time to check the council website, or look for toilet signs on hotel doors. I might be under-estimating this, but I just can't see it actually happening.
But, I'm not in your position...
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The toilet list is also on the Town Council site www.llandudno.gov.uk/community-toilet-scheme (http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/community-toilet-scheme)
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A very small addition to the Local Eyesores list - this litter bin outside St. Johns Church, Mostyn Street. Disgusting!
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A very small addition to the Local Eyesores list - this litter bin outside St. Johns Church, Mostyn Street. Disgusting!
Yes, you would have thought it would say "Llandudno" on the side.
Conwy is three miles away. ???
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I think the worst issue regarding that bin is all the chewing gum spots round it. ¢¢##
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You're right there, you can't blame the seagulls for that mess. :o
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Back in January, I contacted Cllr Mike Priestley (who is the Cabinet Member for the Environment at CCBC) regarding the chewing gum problem on Llandudno's pavements. His reply was:
"I think you raise a fair point regarding Mostyn Street and I totally agree with you that it is a mess. I would however, at this point like to state that chewing gum on pavements is a national problem. I have been looking at this problem and ways to tackle it for some time now and have seen a number of chewing gum removal equipment demonstrations. I have to say, only one has caught my eye. This year I will be looking to purchase some equipment to address the chewing gum problem and will be seeking the best and most efficient system. The biggest problem I see is the length of time it will take to clear a particular road or street of chewing gum. My department is looking into this with a view to working with partners. I can also look to place a business case to have a one-off cleanse followed by our staff keeping on top of the problem.
I am also looking at a three prong attack on this
Education in schools and the media pointing out all the problems this causes
Enforcement – catching and fining those responsible
Cleaning – implementing a cleansing schedule which includes the removal of gum from our pavements
The above, I believe, can make a difference to our streets and pavements and this is an issue I want to tackle."
Sadly, nothing has been done since to remove the chewing gum!
Full blog post:
http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2010/01/concidence-to-chew-over.html (http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2010/01/concidence-to-chew-over.html)
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It's going way beyond a joke now though. It's worse than cigarette butts. There's just no excuse for not putting gum in the bin, especially when in this case the bin is right there in front of you. :(
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I'm fed up with all the dog poo around here, we walked to Rhos on Sea and its along the promenade from Penrhyn Bay, you have to watch out for it on the Little Orme going to Angel Bay yet there are signs up warning of £1000 fines, no excuse at all for it :rage: I do know that the majority of dog owners do clean up and are responsible owners but as usual its the irresponsible people that let the side down!
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Totally useless an ineffective legislation that is not policed or implemented in any way that would create a deterent to any dog owner! Woof! Woof!! And my dog agrees. L0L
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It's going way beyond a joke now though. It's worse than cigarette butts. There's just no excuse for not putting gum in the bin, especially when in this case the bin is right there in front of you. :(
Don't give up. Petition Getto Bebb to introduce a private members Bill into the House of Commons making it mandatory for the Sugar content of Gum to be increased by 500%. That way once the little darling’s teeth have rotted away they will loose their ability to chew anything. :-X
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In all seriousness, I can't see why a levy can't be placed upon chewing gum manufacturers to pay for the cost of cleaning up their mess.
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Cigarette butts are also causing a mess. Great piles of the disgusting, filter tipped rubbish out side every shop, office or other building where people have to go outside to follow their filthy habit. The litter act is another useless piece of Legislation that is not adequately policed. >>>
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Problem with gum is its all to do with role models. How about banning any pictures of Man U's manager from the tele?
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Funny you should say that Mike because Fergie nearly always throws his chewing gum on the grass. I'm sure that I remember something about a prosecution being made if gum was disgarded in a game United were playing and I kept a watch on him on TV at the end of the game but couldn't see what he had done with the gum! Perhaps he left it under the seat he was sitting on! :o
The match couldn't have been at Old Trafford though as the Police wouldn't do anything there. Even the referees don't award penalties against United there. ???
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I can't see why a levy can't be placed upon chewing gum manufacturers to pay for the cost of cleaning up their mess
It would require an act of parliament, plus specific permission as an excepted item from the European union. It might actually be easier to ban the sale of the stuff altogether.
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A very small addition to the Local Eyesores list - this litter bin outside St. Johns Church, Mostyn Street. Disgusting!
The offending Litter Bin has, just three days after my post, been replaced by a brand new one. Coincidence...you decide? ;)
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I see that Oscar has also been on to Mike Priestley but appears to have had about as much success as I did. I regard it as very poor when a Councillor who is on nearly £30,000 of our money a year cannot deal with matters like this. He would not last 5 minutes in the private sector, I'm afraid.
http://thoughtsofoscar.blogspot.com/2010/12/cmom-mike.html (http://thoughtsofoscar.blogspot.com/2010/12/cmom-mike.html)
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I don't think it's coincidence at all Dave................Its the power of the forum. The council certainly won't air the locals concerns but the forum is an excellent way to bring all kinds of issues (even that bin) to the fore.
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:laugh: Cll Ron told me a few months ago the Llandudno Railway Station development is too start next months,this will be the fourth date they have given,i pray this time they stick to it. :rage:
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I see that Cllr Priestley has responded to Oscar's questions re chewing gum:
"Oscar,
I have spoken to the Head of Department regarding the chewing gum machine.
After chasing this issue up, I have been informed of the following.
I understand that a machine was given to Colwyn Borough Council by an oil company as compensation following a marine spill in the early 90s. This machine was stored at one of our sites in Dolgarrog. Unfortunately there was a flood and it was rendered uneconomic to repair and it was disposed off.
As my time as cabinet member I cannot recall such a machine but do remember around about 5 or 6 years ago, some sort of power washer, possibly this is the same machine that was lost due to the flooding.
I have been to several trials to look at machines and can honestly say although some are very good at removing chewing gum, these machines seem very slow. I am currently looking at another two options. One will be looking at another machine and having this on trial in different areas such as paved areas in Bayview Road, Station Road Colwyn Bay, North Western Gardens and the Cenotaph Llandudno, Ancaster Square in Llanrwst and Lancaster Square in Conwy. The other option is to get a private company in to do the work. I have been given a price of £1 - £1.50 per square metre to be cleaned.
Another issue to be addressed is that in some areas our pavements are shared with private frontages for example, Mostyn Street, Llandudno (the pavements under verandas belong to the shop fronts).
I am committed to my role as Cabinet Member for the Environment and also to Conwy County. I am working towards a solution to address this issue. I have also not ruled out working with a third party to help us regarding removing chewing gum, for example, Conwy could buy a piece of equipment and train the likes of probation services to use it. Thus reducing manpower costs. One company has just offered us one of their pieces of equipment at a cost of £120,000. We do not have this type of money available.
Sorry for the delay in answering your query."
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Two questions spring to mind about the response:
1) Surely the machine that was damaged in the flood was insured? Why was the payout not used to buy a new machine?
2) The idea that a machine to remove chewing gum costs £120,000 is totally ridiculous. This one here (designed for use on pavements) is less than £5,000:
"The Gum-Grafter is ideal for high street cleaning on tarmac, flags, block paving, concrete and many more external surfaces. "
http://www.getridofgum.com/remove_chewing_gum.html (http://www.getridofgum.com/remove_chewing_gum.html)
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I like the new fence Dave and it has removed a rotton eyesore from the front of my place, now if we can get Mr Taylor to pay for it as well that would be the cream on the top. But be very careful what you wish for. Just a few yards away we lost all our Weeping Elm trees that used to stretch all along the prom and on up into Happy Valley Gardens. The Designer BOG BRUSH Trees planted in their stead are nothing short of a public disgrace. They may have looked pretty on a drawing board but in reality without proper husbandry they have become an ugly eyesore. It’s a shame the Councils got no money to spare, otherwise I’d suggest we started a Petition to get the Elms reinstated now there's a firm of specialist tree providers in Dundee that have come up with a variety that are Dutch Elm resistant.
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I like the new fence Dave and it has removed a rotton eyesore from the front of my place, now if we can get Mr Taylor to pay for it as well that would be the cream on the top. But be very careful what you wish for. Just a few yards away we lost all our Weeping Elm trees that used to stretch all along the prom and on up into Happy Valley Gardens. The Designer BOG BRUSH Trees planted in their stead are nothing short of a public disgrace. They may have looked pretty on a drawing board but in reality without proper husbandry they have become an ugly eyesore. It’s a shame the Councils got no money to spare, otherwise I’d suggest we started a Petition to get the Elms reinstated now there's a firm of specialist tree providers in Dundee that have come up with a variety that are Dutch Elm resistant.
...and one of the trees has died and not been replaced, leaving a big gap in the row.
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Why not make one of the 'community service' jobs yobs get sentenced to getting down on hands and knees with a scraper to manually scrape the gum off? Instead of sentencing them to '100 hours of community service' why not sentence them to '100 square foot of gum scraping'?
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As Max Bygraves would have said, "Good idea Son!" ZXZ
They could certainly get stuck into it! L0L
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The wife and I were speculating about the demise of that particular tree Dave, as it’s the only one that hasn’t managed to mature and block the view of the prom. Or have I become a cynical old git
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The wife and I were speculating about the demise of that particular tree Dave, as it’s the only one that hasn’t managed to mature and block the view of the prom. Or have I become a cynical old git
The one next to it at the end of the row looks to be on the way out, as well. ?{}?
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We have a former friendwho still lives up the Orme, he was faced with a similar problem with some Scotch Pines that were blocking his view of the Bay. He told me, he thought copper nails might fix his problem *&( He doesn't have the problem any more.
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I understand that the Deganwy Castle Hotel has now been sold. Still no firm news on the purchaser. The name Charles Lynch has been mentoined, but I also understand that the owner of the Castle Hotel in Conwy had been seen looking around. I spoke with a local architect yesterday and he was aware of another interested party but would not give me details.
I will try and make contact with the agents next week to find out what I can. The last time I spoke with them they did indicate they had interested parties and had received at least one acceptable offer. They did say they were hopeful it would be sold by Christmas so it this news does seem to make sense.
The news has come from the current caretakers of the hotel.
The old Deganwy Station land has also been Sold (subject to contract).
Could the 2 sales be connected?
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Significantly more questions than answers here then,
Dave R and I were travelling past The Deganwy Castle yesterday and bemoaning the fact that none of our ''local eyesores'' are being improved in the slightest.
So, lets hope that whatever comes next for this once beauiful hotel is positive, and sympathetic to its history, and the local area.
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All will be revealed shortly, I'm sure. ;)
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I was talking to a friend recently about the Deganwy Castle Hotel and he told me that part of the hotel is a listed building. Apparently the centre part is the bit that is listed but the sides are not.
If this is the case I wonder if it will put off the person that is alleged to be interested in buying the property, or will something similar to Penmorfa happen? In Penmorfa's case strangely enough no part of it was listed.
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Yes still lots of questions and few answers.
My understanding is that although it is the former farm house that attracted the Grade 2 listing, the fact the other buildings were part of the site at the time or the listing they are also covered by the listing (as are the grounds).
Hence any changes would required listed building consent from CADW. This does mean the other parts can not be changed but they will need to to through additional "hoops".
The agent was making everyone aware of the constraints and he did indicate it made it a a very difficult site to sell.
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?
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Over in Colwyn Bay, we have the former A & A Cash & Carry Shop at 7 Abergele road. For many years, it was famous locally as 'Dandos Toy Shop'. Originally a beautifully designed shop (by Colwyn Foulkes), the building is now empty and abandoned, with a hideous steel shutter all along the ground floor and only its upper exterior retaining the original design. With significant grant money available from the Heritage Lottery Fund to pay for restoration of original features, now is the time for this building to be restored to its former glory.
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This building is now for sale - at just £150,000. Not a bad price for a very impressive building in the centre of Colwyn Bay.
Full details: http://www.richardbaddeley.co.uk/media/6035/7%20abergele%20road,%20colwyn%20bay%20%281%29.pdf (http://www.richardbaddeley.co.uk/media/6035/7%20abergele%20road,%20colwyn%20bay%20%281%29.pdf)
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?
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I'll answer for Jason, hope he doesnt mind. 8)
When a Building is Listed, it covers both the inside and outside of the building, together with the curtilage (grounds, outbuildings etc). Sometimes, individual interior features (e. a staircase) are mentioned separately in the Listing but, regardless of that, all of the interior is protected. :)
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thats excellent cheers Dave :-*
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?
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Hi Pendragon
We are a grade 2 listed building and therefore have great difficulty in making any alterations at all, either inside or out. This includes anything like Sky dish, garden features, internal walls, windows etc.
A full list of such buildings, lamposts and any other 'objects' can be obtained from the Welsh Assembly. It is over 400 pages long, just for Llandudno.
Nemesis
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Hia Jason, I was just wondering if a building is grade 2 listed, does that mean the inside is listed too or is that separate ?
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I'll answer for Jason, hope he doesnt mind. 8)
When a Building is Listed, it covers both the inside and outside of the building, together with the curtilage (grounds, outbuildings etc). Sometimes, individual interior features (e. a staircase) are mentioned separately in the Listing but, regardless of that, all of the interior is protected. :)
Thanks Dave.
You are of course correct, it is interesting to compare the DCH listing, with that of the Civic Hall in Conwy where it is just the facade that is protected.
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Indeed, because anything built after 1948 is not included in the Listing. I think the cladding on the civic hall is unlikely to be included, even if it lasts for another 100 years!
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:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.I did notice that they had scaffold up last year and within a week of removing it a piece of render had fallen off,so the painters must have known it was loose but still just painted over it,cowboys. :-*
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::) HAPPY NEW YEAR ,next week see's the start on Llandudno station,well that is what cll Ron told me,obviously with Ron's health problems i will not be chasing him for results but i hope he is right. ZXZ
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:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.
Some quite large pieces to from what I've seen
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:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.
Some quite large pieces to from what I've seen
Part of the denticulated cornice has fallen off...*he says, showing off* :P
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The whole of the front render looks a bit 'iffy'
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:(The old travel agents next to Peacocks seems to have been cordened off.
Some quite large pieces to from what I've seen
Part of the denticulated cornice has fallen off...*he says, showing off* :P
Sounds like a Rolls Royce with body damage Dave. ;D
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I like the new fence Dave and it has removed a rotton eyesore from the front of my place, now if we can get Mr Taylor to pay for it as well that would be the cream on the top. But be very careful what you wish for. Just a few yards away we lost all our Weeping Elm trees that used to stretch all along the prom and on up into Happy Valley Gardens. The Designer BOG BRUSH Trees planted in their stead are nothing short of a public disgrace. They may have looked pretty on a drawing board but in reality without proper husbandry they have become an ugly eyesore. It’s a shame the Councils got no money to spare, otherwise I’d suggest we started a Petition to get the Elms reinstated now there's a firm of specialist tree providers in Dundee that have come up with a variety that are Dutch Elm resistant.
I found this postcard from the 1970s that reminded me how thick the tree cover was by the Pier entrance back then:
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My wife said when she was a young girl playing in the Happy valley Gardens, if it came on to rain it was possible using the trees and the Colonnades to run all the way to St Georges place before she got wet. Now she can’t run so fast and most of the decent trees have gone I've had to buy her an umbrella. ¢¢##
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It is very open nowadays in that area, I wonder if it's also to do with giving a clear line of view for the CCTV.
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Well at least they have installed a 360° camera on the side of the Grand. Every time we asked the Police to look at certain incidents with the old camera the answer was invariably "Sorry the camera was pointing in the wrong direction"
The other place to look out for with its 360° camera is the one that’s mounted outside the Empire Hotel. Woe betide any motorist who comes down Ty Gwyn Hill and misses the No Entry sign into Church Walks. The first they know of it is a few days later when the post arrives with a photograph of their rear number plate accompanied by a £60 fix penalty notice. ))*
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Woe betide any motorist who comes down Ty Gwyn Hill and misses the No Entry sign into Church Walks. The first they know of it is a few days later when the post arrives with a photograph of their rear number plate accompanied by a £60 fix penalty notice. ))*
They must be making a few quid out of that, I see people all Summer long driving the wrong way down there.
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Wasn't that how that Ferrari got bashed about last year?
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Wasn't that how that Ferrari got bashed about last year?
Ah yes, Steve Dickens pulled out of the alleyway between the Parade and Queen Vic, and met a Ferrari coming the wrong way.
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That just has to be the best example ever of 'Money to Money' !!
Only this time Money rammed into money!
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:laugh: Cll Ron told me a few months ago the Llandudno Railway Station development is too start next months,this will be the fourth date they have given,i pray this time they stick to it. :rage:
I got a letter today inviting me to a consultation event at Venue Cymru on 18th January regarding 'Major improvements to Llandudno Station'. I live nearby and it appears these letters are being sent out as feedback is being sought.
What is intriguing me is that in the letter it states that Network Rail and the North Wales Joint Transport Board (Taith) have committed funding for the majority of the project but Conwy Council is yet to apply for a grant from the Welsh European Funding Office for the remainder of the money.
How can Councillors be promising dates for the commencement of the work when the money is not even in place yet?
In my view the starting of this project is still many many months if not years away.
Wrex is not going to be a happy bunny :rage:
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:laugh: Cll Ron told me a few months ago the Llandudno Railway Station development is too start next months,this will be the fourth date they have given,i pray this time they stick to it. :rage:
I got a letter today inviting me to a consultation event at Venue Cymru on 18th January regarding 'Major improvements to Llandudno Station'. I live nearby and it appears these letters are being sent out as feedback is being sought.
What is intriguing me is that in the letter it states that Network Rail and the North Wales Joint Transport Board (Taith) have committed funding for the majority of the project but Conwy Council is yet to apply for a grant from the Welsh European Funding Office for the remainder of the money.
How can Councillors be promising dates for the commencement of the work when the money is not even in place yet?
In my view the starting of this project is still many many months if not years away.
Wrex is not going to be a happy bunny :rage:
I received an update this morning on the progress.
"Network Rail and the Council's European Funding team are currently working on a bid for ERDF funding. When this is approved Network Rail will be in a position to award a contract. It is still proposed to start work on site in the 2011-12 financila year and complete the following year."
So Jack I do agree that this looks like a potential delay, this is following comments received last September that we would be a position to proceed with contract in Spring 2011.
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:( Sorry Jason im not quite sure when you are saying it will begin,this year or next,oh god. :rage:
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:( Sorry Jason im not quite sure when you are saying it will begin,this year or next,oh god. :rage:
It will not start before April 2011.
But the information I have is quite vague on exactly when (in Sept they said in the Spring)
The works will then be completed sometime after April 2012.
Not much use I know but it seems that the project is ready to commence once the funding is secured. We will know more when the funding is finalised.
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:) Thanks Jason. Walked past the Tudno Castle Hotel tonight,quite impressed with the new fencing put right around the whole hotel. :P
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One idly wonder why CCBC are having to fund any of it - Network Rail receive billions in taxpayer subsidy from the UK Govt and Arriva receives £100m+ a year from the Welsh Assembly. If Llandudno Station was in London or the South of England, it would have been renovated years ago!
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:( Sorry Jason im not quite sure when you are saying it will begin,this year or next,oh god. :rage:
It will not start before April 2011.
But the information I have is quite vague on exactly when (in Sept they said in the Spring)
The works will then be completed sometime after April 2012.
Not much use I know but it seems that the project is ready to commence once the funding is secured. We will know more when the funding is finalised.
Jason, do you know whether the funding is guaranteed from WEFO? or is there a chance that the grant might not be forthcoming and CCBC have to hunt around for funds from elsewhere and putting back development even further? Jack
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If Llandudno Station was in London or the South of England, it would have been renovated years ago!
Indeed - and to that add 'Cardiff'...
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Jack,
Nothing is guarenteed, but a lot of work and preliminary discusssions will have been had regarding the grant. They will have set out some prerequisits, including the additional funding requirements.
Hence although we would have been given a positive indication to bid, it will still need a quality bid to secure the funds.
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;)Who funded Newport station for the Ryder cup. L0L
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Put this time and date in your diary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12207559 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12207559)
You only have 90 minutes to view it.
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Put this time and date in your diary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12207559 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12207559)
You only have 90 minutes to view it.
I noticed the 90 minutes thing myself. The exhibition is probably in an room in the basement with a sign on the door saying 'keep out'. ;D
Llandudno train station plans unveiled
The station was built in 1858 and the plan is to restore and reuse the Victorian structures
If the plan goes ahead there would be a refurbished concourse and waiting area, more parking, extra bike room, two bus-stops and a new taxi drop-off point.
There would also be wheelchair access and energy efficient technology such as a rainwater harvesting system, ground source heat pumps and solar panes.
Built in 1858, the station is used by about 270,000 passengers each year.
The proposal has been jointly developed by Network Rail, North Wales Joint Transport Board (Taith), Conwy County Borough Council, Arriva Trains Wales and the Welsh Assembly Government.
Mark Langman, route director for Network Rail, said it was "driven by a vision to transform the railway in Wales. If delivered, it will mark a huge improvement for Llandudno," he said.
"Support from the people of the town is vital to make this possible and we welcome the public in having their say."
The original Victorian structures of the station would be restored and reused.
Mr Langman said Llandudno was "poised to be a strategic transport hub by linking the town to the rest of north Wales and beyond".
'Economic boost'
He said there had been a steady increase in passenger demand over the years, and the proposed improvements would "cater to this growth and encourage sustainable travel".
Conwy council leader Dilwyn Roberts said the improvements would help people in the town who use public transport on a daily basis, as well as visitors.
"It will help boost economic development of the area," he said.
"This is an exciting project for Llandudno, which the council will be very pleased to be part of," he added.
Catherine Casey, project manager with Arriva Trains Wales said everyone "irrespective of disability, gender and race" should get involved so that all needs are taken into account.
"The project will provide much needed improvements and new facilities including greater provision of service information, CCTV and improvements of access.
"It will all contribute to a station fit for the 21st century, encouraging more people to travel by train," she added.
The public exhibition will be at Venue Cymru on Tuesday (1300-1430 GMT).
Anyone unable to attend can see the proposals by emailing CRWEST@networkrail.co.uk or ringing 0845 711 4141.
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According to today's Daily Post, DaveR, the exhibition is TODAY and is open from 1pm to 4.30pm.
What a fiasco !!
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In order to help clarify the arrangements, I e-mailed that e-mail address a couple of hours ago and I am still waiting for a reply.
So I have just telephoned the Conference and Events Team at Venue Cymru and a lady informed me there is a Network Rail meeting today.
I explained I have nothing to do with Network Rail so I shall be unable to attend their meeting but I would like to attend the public exhibition and is that today or next Tuesday afternoon ?
She went away to find out and has just come back to let me know it is actually the public exhibition today until 4.30pm.
I am going to pop along now but I have a funny feeling not many members of the general public will know much about the event.
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Do let us know how you get on, Bri.
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Llandudno Station in 1989 - all of the area in this photo is now derelict or demolished:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2754571236_0a1ff839f1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/treflyn/2754571236/)
Class 104 DMU CH615 at Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/treflyn/2754571236/#) by Treflyn (http://www.flickr.com/people/treflyn/), on Flickr
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Well me and the missus arrived at Venue Cymru just after 1pm.
There was nothing outside advertising the public exhibition but once inside there was a notice on a board directing everyone upstairs to the Deganwy Room.
A polite gentleman from Arriva met and greeted us and showed us where everything was.
There was complimentary tea and coffee which we did not bother with.
Next there were a few slides lasting a few seconds from Network Rail which were rather boring.
I saw Judith Phillips from the NWWN and Steve their photographer talking to the representatives from Network Rail.
Next were several architect diagrams on the table and enlargements up on the walls.
One old dear from Jubilee Street was trying to find out what was happening with Jubilee Street and Jubilee Passage and I had to step in because the enlarged diagram had the section for that area included as a separate section in the bottom of the enlarged diagram when it should have been at the top.
To be fair, Judith Phillips agreed with me that the diagram was confusing.
The front of the station will be improved with bus stops and another entrance will be made near to Sarah J’s café.
Where the redundant line was coming into presumably the old platforms 4 and 5 now looks (see DaveR’s photograph) as if it will be used as a car park all along what railway line there once was.
Overall, all improvements will always be better than what there is now.
Apparently, there will be another exhibition held when a scale model will be available for inspection.
To be honest, that will make more sense to me.
If that scale model was there today then I would have been in a better position to decide whether or not there was a better solution than that proposed.
Whether or not feedback from locals is welcome, I am unsure of.
Anyway, it is still open until 4.30pm if anybody else wants to visit.
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Thanks for that info. I too think a scale model would be easier for most people. Not everyone can see which way things are on drawn plans.
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Thanks nemesis.
I thought it was just me.
All the information is there on the diagrams to see but I must confess neither my eyesight or patience are what they used to be.
Anyway, here is another link to the announcement.
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/LLANDUDNO-STATION-REVAMP-PLAN-UNVEILED-165a/SearchCategoryID-7.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/LLANDUDNO-STATION-REVAMP-PLAN-UNVEILED-165a/SearchCategoryID-7.aspx)
I wish more notice had been given.
If wrex does not manage to visit the exhibition then he may have a few words to say later.
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I went along mid afternoon and whilst trying to decipher one of the plans on the wall got speaking to a gentleman who is one of the development/design team. I asked why there appeared to be nothing happening to the waste land to the left of the station and he said there was nothing that the council or Network Rail could do because neither of them own the land and the private owner was unwilling to sell. That's probably common knowledge but I'm a relative newbie so it was news to me. I then jokingly said that at least the "campers" who sometimes stay overnight on the land would be happy that nothing was happening to the land. He said that they not be quite so happy with the new planned closable frontage to the station and that the people who sometimes stay overnight on the station rather that stay on the waste ground would not be able to get in once it was locked.
Also again I don't know if this common knowledge but Mostyn estates have retained the original wrought iron gate and fencing from the station and this will be incorporated as part of the new design.
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Hi TheMedz, Brian,
I couldn't make the event as I was in a Scrutiny meeting this afternoon.
Was there anything regarding the timescales available at the event.?
The information I have is quite vague saying it will start sometime after April and finish sometime after April 2012.
Thanks Jason
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Jason - we missed the slide show but I overheard one of Network rail representatives say, to another attendee, that although a lot of the funding was already secured the money from one source (Welsh Assembly - I think) would only become available in the next financial year. So that would seem to suggest a start of April 2011 at the earliest.
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Jason, I did not get an opportunity to speak to anyone as they were already speaking to other visitors.
I must confess me and Val did not stay very long as the exhibition did very little for us especially with the plans being so unclear and confusing.
Hopefully, when they return with a scale model then everything will be more meaningful for us.
Also, I would like to think they manage to provide more notice of the exhibition next time to allow for more local residents to attend and even let it run on after 5pm.
BTW, Cllr Goronwy Edwards was also in attendance, seemingly in an official capacity, so maybe he may have the answer.
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Some pics of the inside of one of our eyesores, Billington Bros in Conwy:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2749/4494073477_2b0a63cda2_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukemcgowan/4494073477/)
Inside View 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukemcgowan/4494073477/#) by Luke McGowan (http://www.flickr.com/people/lukemcgowan/), on Flickr
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4494073491_8ce3174f54_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukemcgowan/4494073491/)
Inside View 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukemcgowan/4494073491/#) by Luke McGowan (http://www.flickr.com/people/lukemcgowan/), on Flickr
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4494073485_a52aa944d2_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukemcgowan/4494073485/)
Inside View 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukemcgowan/4494073485/#) by Luke McGowan (http://www.flickr.com/people/lukemcgowan/), on Flickr
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:( I have just been around town with the dog for a walk and it does make you wonder if there is any hope for the Clarence,tudno Castle, Augusta flats and all those empty shops,one good thing though i bumped into Mr Scarratt measuring up for the extravaganza,so there is hope for the old Queen yet. WWW
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Went for a walk with Socs (the dog). I was surprised to see the state of disrepair on the old turret toilets. I remember dodging in there in the 80s. They aways stank but not as bad as the ones on the square.
I suppose it would cause more damage removing the ivy now.
Love the door, it reminds me of the "magic faraway tree"
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I remember dodging in there in the 80s.
Had to read that twice, I thought you had said dogging :laugh:
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:o L0L
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So did I. ))*
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I didn't think she said that .... I just HOPED she did !!
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I didn't think she said that .... I just HOPED she did !!
Me too! L0L
Errr, you went to Aberconwy didn't you Pendragon? :-[
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Went for a walk with Socs (the dog). I was surprised to see the state of disrepair on the old turret toilets. I remember dodging in there in the 80s. They aways stank but not as bad as the ones on the square.
I suppose it would cause more damage removing the ivy now.
Love the door, it reminds me of the "magic faraway tree"
That's another example of a building that is just wasted - it could easily be an office/workshop for someone. I take it the Council own it.
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Yes I went to Aberconwy Trojan, left in 86'. Remember Mr Rhys Jones, Eirlys Jones, Northcott (she was my form teacher for 3 years) Mongo Man, Colin Jones (Killer) I have tremendous respect for that guy he's a legend, he's helped me out over the years, given me advise etc. I want to work with troubled teenagers and I tell y'what if I have an oz of the empathy that guy has I'll be happy.
I'm sure the turret belongs to the councl, they were council toilets after all. It is a waste. Thinking about it, it might be CADW that owns them? They own the castle don't they ?
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Yes they do own the castle-- the over 60's free CADW pass is useable there
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Pendragon, Colin Jones (Killer) was the Best man at our wedding and he is a great guy just as you have said.
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Colin Jones used to run our local youth club in Pen. He was there for years. I haven't seen him for a few years now, if you do Barbiroli will you give him my regards. Thanks :D
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Will do
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Went for a walk with Socs (the dog). I was surprised to see the state of disrepair on the old turret toilets.
Here's a view of that Tower from the Castle - it's a bigger building than it looks and on two storeys:
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You can't see that side usually because of the traffic, I've never seen that view. It's a lot bigger than I realised as you say Dave. Took this photo today. maybe they're going to do some work on it?
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Maybe they're going to tidy it up and then sell it off...so it can raise some money for CCBC and also return a decaying building to productive use? Or am I being too optimistic? 8)
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In another of my acclaimed series of photos entitled 'Eyesores viewed from Conwy Castle', I present Billingtons Garage:
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Or am I being too optimistic? 8)
probably optimistic Dave, there's no way they're going to open them up as toilets is there with al the closures going on and it would take a smal fortune to convert them for another use.
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Or am I being too optimistic? 8)
probably optimistic Dave, there's no way they're going to open them up as toilets is there with al the closures going on and it would take a smal fortune to convert them for another use.
I was thinking a conversion into maybe a craft workshop type thing with office above - needn't cost that much to do. Would be great for a local Artisan to make/sell their goods. Or, according to Cameron's 'Big Society', CCBC should be forced to sell it off to a community group for meeting room or any other use you can think of?
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I don't know anything about Bilingtons except it's a prime location. I reckon they'll knock it down and get a backhander from a developer and build another block of god awful flats like the ones they built on Berry Street. How the hell they got away with those is beyond me. They look horrendous.
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Like the Garth block in the grounds of the Royal in Llandudno.
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That's a really god idea Dave. There's plenty of local craft workers in the local area. *&(
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Like the Garth block in the grounds of the Royal in Llandudno.
What's that Nemesis?
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The huge block of flats between Llewellyn Ave, Church Walks and Water Street. They are in what would have been the Royal Hotel's car park or garden and are totally out of keeping with the town.
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That's a really god idea Dave. There's plenty of local craft workers in the local area. *&(
I have not assumed godlike status yet, Angie! ;D :P
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The huge block of flats between Llewellyn Ave, Church Walks and Water Street. They are in what would have been the Royal Hotel's car park or garden and are totally out of keeping with the town.
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Colin Jones used to run our local youth club in Pen. He was there for years. I haven't seen him for a few years now, if you do Barbiroli will you give him my regards. Thanks :D
Pendragon, your regards conveyed to Colin, sends his best wishes.
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Aah I'm made up, thanks very much for that Barbiroli :D
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You`re welcome Angie
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Some news on the The Black Lion, 11 Castle St, from the Council for British Archaeology:
"The former Black Lion pub (Y Llew Du) is a striking building in the medieval town of Conwy. It was thought to have been built in 1589 by the vicar of Conwy, John Brickdall. Converted into a public house in the 1700s, it was a venue for the Monday morning pig market and then used for other commercial activities in the 20th century. It has stood empty since the 1990s. A recent archaeological survey commissioned by the owner suggests the building may perhaps be of 15th century date.
Proposals to turn the building back into a single domestic dwelling have not been opposed by the CBA, but we objected to the removal of historic fabric by the proposed addition of three ensuite bathrooms and the removal of internal walls. The case also raised concerns over the public accessibility of the archaeological report, which the owner is presently not willing to make available, a position that the CBA considers to be deplorable."
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba116/update.shtml (http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba116/update.shtml)
Doesn't sound too promising.... :(
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The latest addition to the list is this block of former holiday flats on Rhos Promenade. It's been up for sale for about a year now and has become steadily more dilapidated. You'd have thought it would have been snapped up, as it has great views across the Bay of Colwyn:
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That's a weird place, the ground floor is distinctly two properties but above that who owns what part is anybodies guess
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That's a weird place, the ground floor is distinctly two properties but above that who owns what part is anybodies guess
I'd never noticed that until you said! Maybe originally one building but split into two at some pint?
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With thanks to Jason who spotted this....
Enterprise Inns sold Deganwy Castle Hotel in North Wales
UK - Enterprise Inns, represented by Savills, has sold Deganwy Castle Hotel on Station Road in Deganwy, North Wales to Charter Homes from a guide price of £1 million. he locally renowned Grade II listed property dates back to the 17th Century and comprises 31 en-suite bedrooms, a bar, restaurant and function room. There is also a leisure complex with an indoor heated swimming pool, gym and sauna. Furthermore, the hotel is located close to Deganwy rail station and benefits from extensive views over the Conwy Estuary, Conwy Marina and North Wales coastline.
Charter Homes are good buddies with Charlie Lynch...watch out Deganwy... :o
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So it's going to end up like this :(
http://www.charterhomes.net/waters_edge_llandudno.php (http://www.charterhomes.net/waters_edge_llandudno.php)
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It shoudn't Brumbob because part of Deganwy Castle Hotel is a listed building BUT remember Penmorfa ( that wasn't a listed building ) and how Anwyl got round planning regs.
The buyer will have a plan of action though to get round it so I hope Jason W and other Councillors can keep their eye on this one.
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We certainly are keeping a very close eye on the DCH.
I have been in discussion with Council officers since before Christmas when the first rumours of who the new owners could be came through.
I have a commitment that the Council will not be using this site to house any of its housing clients.
The whole building is in fact Grade II listed, but some areas are more important then other. To be honest some of the more recent adaptions around the back have no architectual or historic merit.
I believe plans are being developed for the site and we look forward to them coming forward. the rumours are that it may be part residential - part hotel.
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We certainly are keeping a very close eye on the DCH.
I have been in discussion with Council officers since before Christmas when the first rumours of who the new owners could be came through.
I have a commitment that the Council will not be using this site to house any of its housing clients.
The whole building is in fact Grade II listed, but some areas are more important then other. To be honest some of the more recent adaptions around the back have no architectual or historic merit.
I believe plans are being developed for the site and we look forward to them coming forward. the rumours are that it may be part residential - part hotel.
Thanks for the update, Jason. :)
Certainly, some parts of the building would benefit from demolition!
It would be wise to be wary of the part residential/part hotel scheme. How long would it be before the Hotel mysteriously starts making a loss and the developer will 'sadly have no option' but to close it and put in for PP to convert to apartments....
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Nice to see the scaffolding being dropped from the Palladium. The building looks great. I think we're really lucky that Wetherspoon's bought it as I can't imagine any other chain investing so much money.
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now if only they could install some lights inside :roll:
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now if only they could install some lights inside :roll:
If they did that you'd be able to see who was drinking in there and that would not be good for business!
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:( Well here we are nearly at the lastest deadline for the development,as far as i remember[there have been so many] they are waiting for the end of the financial year then ,who knows,we have been fobbed of so many times,CLL P Evans needs to inform us as Llandudno;s transport man where we are at.Of course it will be Cll J Weyman who will be the only county councillor with the decency to inform us and of course he does;nt even live in town,but we do appreciate your involment Jason,thanks. Z**
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:( Well here we are nearly at the lastest deadline for the development,as far as i remember[there have been so many] they are waiting for the end of the financial year then ,who knows,we have been fobbed of so many times,CLL P Evans needs to inform us as Llandudno;s transport man where we are at.Of course it will be Cll J Weyman who will be the only county councillor with the decency to inform us and of course he does;nt even live in town,but we do appreciate your involment Jason,thanks. Z**
Hi wrex
I have asked a couple of questions and just received this latest info.
A grant submission has been submitted to the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) some 5 weeks ago.
The bid was a joint bid between Network Rail and CCBC.
To submit the bid Network Rail had to have a tender price, which was sort earlier this year.
We have yet to receive any feedback from ERDF.
Once the grant is approved Network Rail will be a position to award the contract.
The officer has still said the contract will be awarded this financial year and the work will be completed in the following year.
That's the best I have got for now
Jason
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:) Thanks Jason. ;)
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Good news in the Weekly News that Billingtons Garage is to be demolished.
"ONE of the biggest eyesores in Conwy could finally be demolished by the summer. Muller Property Holdings, owners of the dilapidated Llanrwst Road site, have lost their appeal against Conwy County Council’s demolition order at Llandudno Magistrates Court, and have to pay £4,000 costs to the authority. Last October Conwy served a notice requiring the demolition of the building and clearance of the site, and the Cheshire-based property developer appealed against it. They now have less than three weeks to appeal against the district judge’s decision. If they don’t lodge another appeal, the notice will take a month to take effect, and the company will have another month to comply with it. If they don’t comply, Conwy Council could step in to demolish the former garage itself, and would charge Muller for the work."
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/07/billington-s-garage-in-conwy-could-be-demolished-by-the-summer-55243-28472399/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/07/billington-s-garage-in-conwy-could-be-demolished-by-the-summer-55243-28472399/)
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I think the old "Little Chef" premises at Dwygyfylchi on the west bound carriageway of the A55 should be included in this category - it has been closed for some time now and looks very dilapidated. I was told in the petrol station recently that the premises (that's the former Little Chef ones), are available for lease.
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I think the old "Little Chef" premises on the west bound carriageway of the A55 should be included in this category - it has been closed for some time now and looks very dilapidated. I was told in the petrol station recently that the premises (that's the former Little Chef ones), are available for lease.
I've always wondered why someone hasn't reopened that old Little Chef in the same way as the 55 Diner in Llanddulas, a locally owned business providing good quality food and drink. I believe the rental on the old Little Chef is only £15,000 a year.
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I think it true to say that when it was open, it was seldom very busy. Strange really because with the garage/petrol station adjacent it was an excellent stopover for fuel and toilets etc. and a splendid viewpoint. There is/was also the footbridge across to the other carriageway and the beach.
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I've enjoyed a few nice meals there but as you say Bellringer, it was never packed. The fact that there are other services like Llanddulas and Bodelwydden on the west bound lane could have made the Little Chef at Pen unviable. :(
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Rather worryingly, it seems as though those who campaigned against the wind farms off Llandudno might have had a point (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/07/wind_power_actually_25_per_cent/)
A new analysis of wind energy supplied to the UK National Grid in recent years has shown that wind farms produce significantly less electricity than had been thought, and that they cause more problems for the Grid than had been believed.
The report (28-page PDF/944 KB) was commissioned by conservation charity the John Muir Trust and carried out by consulting engineer Stuart Young. It measured electricity actually metered as being delivered to the National Grid.
In general it tends to be assumed that a wind farm will generate an average of 30 per cent of its maximum capacity over time. However the new study shows that this is actually untrue, with the turbines measured by the Grid turning in performances which were significantly worse:
Average output from wind was 27.18% of metered capacity in 2009, 21.14% in 2010, and 24.08% between November 2008 and December 2010 inclusive.
Full article here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/07/wind_power_actually_25_per_cent/)
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I noticed the scaffolding was being taken down from the old Fruit and Fibre building in Conwy today. There's rumours that council are going to put a "Compulsory Purchase" order on it. Apparently the Council had instructed the firm to remove the scaffolding from the property. So now with no protection at all the building will no doubt deteriorate further.
It must be difficult for the owner too, restrictions apply to graded buildings like this one. The same problem applies to the Black Lion I suppose.
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The scaffolding isn't protecting the property, it's just there to allow access to remove the old rendering. This building has been an eyesore for 20+ years, if the owner can't sort it out in that time, then they deserve to lose it. It's about time the Planning Dept started taking a far tougher line with the owners of these eyesores - they are fully aware a building is Listed before they buy it, so there really is no excuse.
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It's not safe either, the roof has been done but large bricks round the windows round the side are loose. If thats the case it would probably have been a better idea to leave the scaffolding up, at least it was covered, now it's open to the elements and pigeons.
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It looks awful. Who owns this property - they should be ashamed?!
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It looks awful. Who owns this property - they should be ashamed?!
I have been told by a couple of people the owner is Alan Skips? (Aberconwy Skip Hire) I don't know him.
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It looks awful. Who owns this property - they should be ashamed?!
I have been told by a couple of people the owner is Alan Skips? (Aberconwy Skip Hire) I don't know him.
It's all a bit odd. Why leave a building like that derelict for so long when it could be earning money in the form of rent? Why start work to renovate it and then just stop halfway through? Makes no sense! ???
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That's what I meant by restrictions regarding building regs Dave. From what I've been told the owner has had a nightmare with the Council added to the fact that an awful lot of building work has been shelved due to the economic climate at the moment. Y'know it makes you think, the guy who owns the Black Lion wants a change of use for the premises so it can be residential. What possible reason would the council have to block that? I mean Conwy doesn't need another Cafe and the owners could restore the Black Lion to it's former glory. Yet on the other hand if the Council dig their heels in and block plans left right and centre they could enforce a Compulsory Purchase on it and get the property cheaply and then probably do what they want. Look at Bodlondeb how do you think the Council acquired that?
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That's what I meant by restrictions regarding building regs Dave. From what I've been told the owner has had a nightmare with the Council added to the fact that an awful lot of building work has been shelved due to the economic climate at the moment.
I'd believe that if no other building/renovation work ever went on in Conwy but.... ;)
Y'know it makes you think, the guy who owns the Black Lion wants a change of use for the premises so it can be residential. What possible reason would the council have to block that? I mean Conwy doesn't need another Cafe and the owners could restore the Black Lion to it's former glory.
It's been blocked because the owners want to basically rip out what's left of the interior and b****r about with it. It's not just CCBC opposing their plans, several independent conservation organisations are too:
"Proposals to turn the building back into a single domestic dwelling have not been opposed by the CBA, but we objected to the removal of historic fabric by the proposed addition of three ensuite bathrooms and the removal of internal walls. The case also raised concerns over the public accessibility of the archaeological report, which the owner is presently not willing to make available, a position that the CBA considers to be deplorable." http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba116/update.shtml (http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba116/update.shtml)
Yet on the other hand if the Council dig their heels in and block plans left right and centre they could enforce a Compulsory Purchase on it and get the property cheaply and then probably do what they want. Look at Bodlondeb how do you think the Council acquired that?
That's not the way it works. The owner can appeal to WAG if they are unhappy with a Planning Decision and it can be overturned if WAG believe the rules have not been correctly applied. CPOs have to be carried out at market value, which is determined by an independent surveyor. I believe Bodlondeb was purchased on the open market many years ago, rather than by CPO, but am happy to be proved wrong. :)
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;) Although we have been thobbed of with lies about when the station plans are to start over the last eleven years ,it does look as if it might get started this year and with the Clarence being besieged by surveyors and
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and DFS coming to the old halfords things seem to be improving and we may lose the odd eyesore or two,the biggest problem remains the empty shops and i cannot see how all of them will ever be taken again. :'(
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The shops on Mostyn Street would all be let if the rents were realistic.
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I read that DFS is coming to the old MFI shop. Is that wrong?
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I read that DFS is coming to the old MFI shop. Is that wrong?
Yes, they're going to the old Halfords unit, I believe.
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Here comes another Angiegram.
I'm sure I read somewhere that the new coastal initiative put forward by the council didn't include the pier? At the end of the day they will do exactly what they like wasting huge amounts of cash in the process.
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I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
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:( As Cll G Robbins prepares to take over as town mayor i think he needs to bring these eyesores to attention of his fellow councillors because i think they have once again given up on them all.We have two positives,the surveyors all over the Clarence,the station[still no date though],oh ;and the old Halfords so come on Gregg lets take the Pier Pavillion,Tudno Castle,Parc Llandudno[hoardings for TK MAXX ],Elsinore Hotel and all the other eyesores on to your year in office and prove that for once a new mayor can make a difference. ZXZ
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The Town Council have no power to do anything. All Town Council Meetings are less efficient and effective that a WI knitting circle! They can't even reply to simple letters, refuse to acknowledge electronic mail and ride roughshod over the laws of the Land.
They care nothing for their electorate once the polls have closed and do as little as possible until it's time for one to vote for them again.
All the Mayors seem to do is take every opportunity to get their name and face in the press and stand alongside everyone who is actually doing something in the hope that they will also receive some kudos.
A kindergarden class could do a better job. Get rid of the old boys who have been there for years and get some new young blood with spirit and the determination to do something for the Town.
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Are the Town Councillors elected?
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I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
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I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
Sadly, it looks as though that will almost certainly be the case. The entire building is crumbling so badly now that renovation will not be economically viable.
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If the town council has no power why do we have one?
Pull the hotel down and build a multi screen cinema.
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D)Dave ,you and i know that it is exactly what the developer wants,demolish and start from scratch and there is nothing anyone will do,everybody will say a new building is better than that eyesore. :'(
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I raised that very question on my blog last year sometime. Something along the lines of 'what if they demolished the building and rebuilt it with a matching façade to the old one'? I wouldn't have a problem with that. Every building gets to the end of its life eventually.
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Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?
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Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?
Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
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I did hear they made life difficult for the previous owner who sold out and moved on to buy another hotel on the promenade.
If that was the case then I guess they must.
Please let me know if you find out anything to the contrary.
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Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
I lived in a property in which Mostyn had the Freehold, however my only requirement if the place fell down was to rebuild a property that would let for the princely sum of £12 per annum! The Deed was drawn up years before and had never been changed.
I finished up buying the Freehold from them for about £1,500 and that was for a 5 bed house on Gloddaeth Avenue. ZXZ
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I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
This smacks of Pen Morfa
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Call for demolition of Rhos Point Cafe
May 12 2011 by Richard Evans, North Wales Weekly News
A PRIME site in Rhos-on-Sea could be redeveloped for tourism following a council costings survey. Owned by Conwy County Council, the Rhos Point cafe is currently closed whilst a survey determines whether the building on the promenade is safe for use. The once popular restaurant was closed last summer after the council took back control of the lease through the county court. The state of the former cafe is yet to be determined.
Rhos-on-Sea councillor Merfyn Thomas believes the site’s redevelopment could be vital in helping to boost the village’s tourist facilities.
“To be absolutely honest I would like to see the building demolished and redeveloped,” he said. “But it all depends on the cost and to what extent is the damage. The Rhos Point cafe position is the entrance to where the pier used to be. It has great pulling power, it is right on the prom and could be a real moneyspinner as part of the future of Rhos-on-Sea. “It is a shame it is closed, it could be making an awful lot of money. But if it’s not safe then we can’t use it. The children’s paddling pool is across the road where there is also a nice open space. We could be linking them both together.”
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/05/12/call-for-demolition-of-rhos-point-cafe-55243-28676910/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/05/12/call-for-demolition-of-rhos-point-cafe-55243-28676910/)
Why not just sell the site off to a Private Developer to sort out? It's a prime site on the front in Rhos. Fester and I had a meeting with Allan Sharp (CCBC principal property development officer) last year in which we offered to buy the site, but we were told that CCBC did not wish to sell at that time. Why does a Council need to own a cafe?
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Two questions spring to mind about the response:
1) Surely the machine that was damaged in the flood was insured? Why was the payout not used to buy a new machine?
2) The idea that a machine to remove chewing gum costs £120,000 is totally ridiculous. This one here (designed for use on pavements) is less than £5,000:
"The Gum-Grafter is ideal for high street cleaning on tarmac, flags, block paving, concrete and many more external surfaces. "
http://www.getridofgum.com/remove_chewing_gum.html (http://www.getridofgum.com/remove_chewing_gum.html)
Volunteers remove chewing gum from Llandudno streets
May 12 2011 by Katherine Kingdon, North Wales Weekly News
VOLUNTEERS recovering from substance misuse took to the streets of Llandudno on Tuesday in an effort to tidy up the beach and rid the streets of unsightly chewing gum.
The event, organised by North Wales drugs and alcohol charity CAIS and Word on the Street, saw around 20 volunteers spring clean some of Llandudno’s major visitor spots.
CAIS chief executive Clive Wolfendale wanted to give clients the chance to do something useful and hoped to create job opportunities for some. He said: “Our aim in making Llandudno a more attractive place is to demonstrate that we are tackling substance misuse, including chewing gum!”
The gum was removed by a special machine which uses steam and a chemical solvent to remove the unsightly marks.
Mr Wolfendale hopes to take the machine elsewhere in the future and assist the community’s efforts for Wales in Bloom.
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/05/12/volunteers-remove-chewing-gum-from-llandudno-streets-55243-28676883/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/05/12/volunteers-remove-chewing-gum-from-llandudno-streets-55243-28676883/)
Great news, keep up the good work. Perhaps it could be done on a regular basis?
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Nice to read something positive on here, Cais sounds like a good organisation and they have the right person for the top job
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Why not just sell the site off to a Private Developer to sort out? It's a prime site on the front in Rhos. Fester and I had a meeting with Allan Sharp (CCBC principal property development officer) last year in which we offered to buy the site, but we were told that CCBC did not wish to sell at that time. Why does a Council need to own a cafe?
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Dave, it would seem that the Council have not seen fit to re-visit our offer. The meeting we had with CCBC ended with them promising to consider our proposals and come back to us. That response is now three months overdue.
I think that the vision we had for the WHOLE of Rhos Point (not just the Bistro) was a very positive and worthy one.
As far as I am concerned, CCBC sound sincere, but they have no real interest or (or ability) when it comes to moving an initiative forward.
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I noticed the deterioration of the Chapel near St Marys yesterday. It's going to have to be knocked down soon looking at the huge cracks and crumbling masonry. I noticed you had a photo of it on Flickr Dave. Was this the Wesleyan Chapel?
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All that block of land up to the High Street is owned by Stange & Co (who own the Malt Loaf, Snowdon and Cottage Loaf) , who want(ed) to build a bar and housing on the site. The Chapel has serious structural problems, unfortunately, and will have to come down.
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/E_MINUTES/e_post2002/e_regulatory/e_planning/e_reports/26-34185.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/E_MINUTES/e_post2002/e_regulatory/e_planning/e_reports/26-34185.pdf)
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I couldn't see the document on your link Dave? I've seen a couple of people milling round last year they were clearing the grass and painting, just to improve its appearance I suppose. Good piece of prime land that. Why don't they just sell it?
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They've got plenty of money. they'd rather sit on it until they decide to do something with it. I believe progress has stalled because Stange were required to carry out a detailed archaeological assessment on the land before starting building.
"The whole development comprises the demolition of the chapel on Church Street, and a stable block and the erection of nine apartments and garages and the conversion of the shop into a café/bar with maisonette above."
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;D I shall offer the services of my metal detector and my extensive knowledge of all things metal detectorish _))*
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That Old Stable is an interesting looking place, there could well be interesting bits under the Red Lion building too.
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I wonder if I could permission to have a look? I'd have to wear a balaclava too I'd never live it down 8)
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You could always ask them:
http://www.stangeandco.co.uk/ (http://www.stangeandco.co.uk/)
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idn't know the Rowlands family had branched out so much. I had a summer job with Jimmy and then Billy. Any of them still around? I know Jimmy died. Who runs the company now?
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Wowwww. I certainly knew Jimmy Rowlands and Doreen but had no idea Stange's had built such an empire (no I know they don't have the Empire you fool). The big surprises are the Bee and the Snowdon! Many happy memories of the Snowden - brilliant darts team. Used to drink there with my mate Mel (Mel used to run the London too, when Roy Watson - another good guy - was 'convalescing' and I tagged along as helper). Who was that really well liked - justifiably - owner in the 1970s? Derek Riddler, another good mate, behind the bar.
The Bee used to be a lovely old fashioned pub that we invaded after Sunday League matches on that bloody awful Eglwysbach field.
But to turn to my near obsessional concerns these days, I could see no information for any of the Stange pubs about disability wheelchair access. :rage:
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Walking past the Castle Hotel this evening I noticed that a couple of the ground floor windows are half open. Airing the hotel in readiness for the forthcoming season perhaps!
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How it might have been.http://www.propertypilot.co.uk/pdf/160+667.PDF (http://www.propertypilot.co.uk/pdf/160+667.PDF)
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Yes... Medz, after all its infinitely preferable to have the current crumbling eyesore, rather than 'risk' something that might be 1% out of line with planning permission rules.
CCBC should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
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CCBC should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
That land would make an ideal extension to Parc Llandudno would it not? ???
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;D I wish this transport group and the NWWN would concentrate on letting us know where we are up to on the redevelopment of the station and when or if it is ever going to happen ,then try and bring new destinations in,its a disgrace at the moment and nobody gives a damn,the millenium was when this was supposed to have been done ,thats 11 years,it will never catch the Pier Pavillion but its a good second. :rage:
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It's been going on for so long now Wrex that in these present economic circumstances I would be surprised if anything happens soon. A wasted opportunity to develop two important sites in the town. :rage:
Pen Morfa's catching up on them too, it may only be two years since the centre portion was demolished but it was left to deteriorate by the builders for years before for financial gain on their part!
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A new entry for the Eyesores section, the two derelict houses on Deganwy Ave in Llandudno. I believe the houses (which are linked) are divided into flats, all of which are in separate ownership. I recall one of them coming up for sale a while back, guide price £10,000. As usual, CCBC have taken no action in regard to this property, despite it being in this state for many years.
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And some say the Tudno Ward is deprived? ???
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Regarding the flats on Deganwy Avenue, the basement flat in the left hand building was the one up for auction although I don't know if it sold. The whole property was bought by a couple of builders from Rhyl just before the credit crash. They made a start by getting a local firm of leaded glass specialists to remove the beautiful glass that has now been replaced by timber as seen in Dave R's picture. I am sure this was not to restore it! Next they removed every thing else of value, dug a trench in the front and have never been seen again. The Lorretta Hotel have complained continuously and absolutely nothing has been done.
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I took a walk on St Georges Place this evening, and I looked on with envious eyes through the windows of The White Heather and St Georges hotels.
There were some lovely, well dressed people enjoying thier evening...
But then I realised that, as soon as they leave the hotel, and turn towards town, maybe to do a little shopping? ...visitors are confronted by sights such as the one below. Far too many entire rows of shops and buildings empty.
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:( I took a walk tonight past one of the biggest eyesores in town,our supposed transport hub[railway station] and i was thinking why the whole project has gone silent.I know Cll Jason told us it had something to do with the financal year ending so im expecting to hear anyday,what chance of that.Im still baffeled at what they are doing inside the tin hut on the coach park,to me it looks small but they have been working inside this tin shed for a couple of months and still no sign of a grand opening by her majesty,JFS Z**
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Something going on tonight at the Risbro about the future of Plas-y-Dre--4pm till 7.30pm
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Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
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Possibly going to electrify it - shocking way to treat such a lovely building! L0L
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Good news in the Weekly News that Billingtons Garage is to be demolished.
"ONE of the biggest eyesores in Conwy could finally be demolished by the summer. Muller Property Holdings, owners of the dilapidated Llanrwst Road site, have lost their appeal against Conwy County Council’s demolition order at Llandudno Magistrates Court, and have to pay £4,000 costs to the authority. Last October Conwy served a notice requiring the demolition of the building and clearance of the site, and the Cheshire-based property developer appealed against it. They now have less than three weeks to appeal against the district judge’s decision. If they don’t lodge another appeal, the notice will take a month to take effect, and the company will have another month to comply with it. If they don’t comply, Conwy Council could step in to demolish the former garage itself, and would charge Muller for the work."
http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/07/billington-s-garage-in-conwy-could-be-demolished-by-the-summer-55243-28472399/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/07/billington-s-garage-in-conwy-could-be-demolished-by-the-summer-55243-28472399/)
Well here we are and I think we would all agree one way or the other, that the summer is here. So when is something going to happen, this summer, next summer ..........
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Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
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I heard that Wetherspoons have bought it. Big Disco on the ground floor and lots of other plans etc. Don't know any fine detail.
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I heard that Wetherspoons have bought it. Big Disco on the ground floor and lots of other plans etc. Don't know any fine detail.
Wetherspoons don't operate discos! Might be a Wetherlodge:
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/hotels (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/hotels)
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There is going to be a hotel section so probably you're right. Z**
Never heard of Wetherlodge myself but quick search reveals it is part of Wetherspoons.
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It's the equivalent of Travelodge.
If it happens, it will certainly be good news for both the town as a whole and businesses in the vicinity. ;)
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:) Wetherspoons do operate a disco under the name Lloyds,so expect one to change. ZXZ
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I heard that Wetherspoons have bought it. Big Disco on the ground floor and lots of other plans etc. Don't know any fine detail.
Wetherspoons don't operate discos! Might be a Wetherlodge:
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/hotels (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/hotels)
No, Wetherspoons don't run Disco's... but they do own the Lloyds No 1 bars chain .... who DO run Disco's and very vibrant ones at that!
Maybe it could be one of them?
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Im still baffeled at what they are doing inside the tin hut on the coach park,to me it looks small but they have been working inside this tin shed for a couple of months and still no sign of a grand opening by her majesty,JFS Z**
This has puzzled me too. The work has been taking months and has involved many people, usually 5 or more cars and vans outside it every day. Maybe a new HQ for Llandudno Regeneration Partnership? :laugh:
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No, Wetherspoons don't run Disco's... but they do own the Lloyds No 1 bars chain .... who DO run Disco's and very vibrant ones at that!
Maybe it could be one of them?
Wouldn't they just be competing with themselves across the road?
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Thats what they do in several other towns and cities.... in some places a Wetherspoons and a Lloyds are adjacent to each other, or opposite... as would be the case here.
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Thats what they do in several other towns and cities.... in some places a Wetherspoons and a Lloyds are adjacent to each other, or opposite... as would be the case here.
Interesting...and not good news for other struggling bars in the town.
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:)If the rumours are true i think they will change the Palladium too a Lloyds and down stairs at the Clarence into a Wethers. D)
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:)If the rumours are true i think they will change the Palladium too a Lloyds and down stairs at the Clarence into a Wethers. D)
Any major investment in the town has to be good news, particularly if it means we can cross one of our Eyesores off the list at the same time. $good$
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Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
Was told yesterday whilst having my hair cut that some of the Hebrew Community had been seen exiting the building with a suited gentleman!
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Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
Was told yesterday whilst having my hair cut that some of the Hebrew Community had been seen exiting the building with a suited gentleman!
Is this kosher? ???
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Just walked past The Clarence and the Security firm is in the process of covering the front with perforated metal--- Eyesore? Things get worse !
It looks horrendous, and the thing is, that metal sheeting doesn't even protect it particularly well, it can be 'peeled' back fairly easily. I understand also that a Locksmith was busy inside the Hotel changing the locks yesterday - has it finally been sold maybe, and the new owners are protecting the building until work can begin?
I can see those sheets getting kicked-in by passers by.
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Imagine the row when that happens! :rage: :rage: :rage:
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Imagine the row when that happens! :rage: :rage: :rage:
Nigel Roberts may start selling ear plugs. $yes$
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Im still baffeled at what they are doing inside the tin hut on the coach park,to me it looks small but they have been working inside this tin shed for a couple of months and still no sign of a grand opening by her majesty,JFS Z**
This has puzzled me too. The work has been taking months and has involved many people, usually 5 or more cars and vans outside it every day. Maybe a new HQ for Llandudno Regeneration Partnership? :laugh:
According to Oscar it's going to be a........cafe. $dins$
Fine dining for the coach park customers maybe?
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It has been a cafe for a number of years. It is have a full face lift to make better use of space and more welcoming to the Coach travellers. Z**
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..and it takes six months to renovate a tin shed approx 30 x 15 foot in size? :laugh:
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..and it takes six months to renovate a tin shed approx 30 x 15 foot in size? :laugh:
I've heard of builders like that! ;)
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..and it takes six months to renovate a tin shed approx 30 x 15 foot in size? :laugh:
I've heard of builders like that! ;)
Oh yes, they had another job up the Orme recently?
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:D Im very pleased to see our Mr Transport,CLL P Evans has got his eye on the ball when it comes to the route of Arrivas open top bus ,but PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE let us know what is happening too Llandudno railway station,the town is about to loose hundreds of free parking spaces at Mostyn Champneys so the supposed 150 spaces on the station could be needed.We know the Bay has just announced another refit,i pray ours comes first,12 years this has been on the cards,DON;T MESS THIS ONE. :rage:
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Development of the Llandudno Station site has been on the cards for 17 years. I remember discussions about it with a Member of Management and Consultants when I worked for the old Aberconwy Borough Council. Northern Markets bought the site and thats when the trouble started. It could be another 17 years before anything is done. ££$
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wrex, I spoke with Cllr Philip Evans this week and asked about the railway station. As I reported we had submitted the bid, but the bureaucrats in Cardiff had some queries and we have had to virtually resubmit the whole bid for funding. This resubmission was done a couple of weeks ago. - So we are still waiting on the Welsh Government in Cardiff for agreement of a grant.
My concerns with the Colwyn Bay Pier are based upon those as Yorkie has highlighted with the experiences of Llandudno Railway Station.
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PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE let us know what is happening too Llandudno railway station,
wrex, does the information posted last January help in anyway?
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg11450#msg11450 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg11450#msg11450)
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Jason, did you see this post:
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg29070#msg29070 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg29070#msg29070)
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;) Lets hope that will be JFS;S first success,getting the funding for Llandudno station. $walesflag$
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It always amazes me these days that nothing can be done without grant funding? Why can't Councils just pay for things themselves? Why do we need to give money to Network Rail in order to carry out work that they should be doing already and that they receive many billions in state funding for every year?
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8) Nationalise the freemasons. WWW
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:(Why did CCBC notell the papers that the Welsh Assembly had called in the plans for Llandudno railway station,this must have been months ago.So we now know the Assembly have the resubmitted plans at hand so this has to be Janet Finch Saunders first challenge and it concerns her OWN town,so lets see what good she can get with this.We know they rebuilt Newport station for one week of golf,we North Walians have been waiting 12 years and they still keep making excuses not to give us the go ahead, IT STINKS. :rage:
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I was in Bangor today and noticed that the Railway Station was entirely covered in scaffolding; it's getting a full revamp.
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:-[ Because we are not on the main line we are bottom of the list,i know Rhyl and Colwyn Bay have been had several make-overs in the last few decades while all Llandudno gets is parts demolished,its a disgrace and Phil and Ronnie should be ASHAMED. :'(
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Perhaps you should contact Special Branch Wrex? ;D
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I was in Bangor today and noticed that the Railway Station was entirely covered in scaffolding; it's getting a full revamp.
That's a through station, we're just a dead end in more ways than one! 'Tis the end of the line Wrex! What would you do with a new Station complex anyway? Play trains? ;D
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Bangor Station does have significantly more usage than Llandudno, 592,000 passengers in 2009/10 compared to 287,000 for Llandudno. And, of course, Llandudno needs significantly more work than practically any other Station in North Wales.
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Perhaps Llandudno station would have better usage if it were better connected – and more pleasant? I travel cross country by train a reasonable amount, particularly during winter, and if through trains don’t come to Llandudno a frequent and reliable shuttle service to meet them at the Junction would be useful. I sometimes travel to the Junction to start the journey rather than risk missing my first connection, while returning home in the evening I’ll often pay the extra taxi fare from the Junction in preference to waiting there for half to three quarters of an hour for a connection to Llandudno (assuming, of course, that I haven’t missed the last train to Llandudno).
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There are over 30 trains a day serving Llandudno from the Junction during the week, rising to about 35 on a Saturday so I don't think it's that badly connected to be honest.
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I tend to avoid Llandudno Station for the same reasons. It's certainly not a safe or comfortable place to wait for a train, and that is what the improvements are all about, of course. Not being on the main line is a tremendous disadvantage in terms of frequency of services but that is unlikely to improve, sadly. Take this afternoon, for example, there are no trains leaving Llandudno between 15.08 and 16.06, that's quite a gap.
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It's not much fun hanging around the Junction station at night either, Dave.
SDJ, I stand corrected. I see that on weekdays there are trains to the Junction roughly every half an hour during the day, apart from the odd gaps as Dave has pointed out. It shows how important perception is. If the trains don't actually connect very well with those at the Junction, a 20 - 30 minute wait at the beginning or end of 4 - 5 hour journey can seem a long time when one is only 8 minutes away from home. At the times that I return to the Junction the trains are getting more infrequent and the potential wait longer: 19.50, 20.30, 21.32, 6.13!
I don't know how many passengers it takes to justify a one-carriage train shuttling up and down the line but I'd still like to see more trains.
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:( Large parts of Llandudno are nearer to Colwyn bay station than Llandudno[Penrhyn Bay ,Penrhynside] so our station has no chance of catering for all local needs but as a link to the rest of Britain we need.Bangor caters for Caernarfon,parts of Angelsey,Bethesda so the footfall is massive.
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I'll stick with the car, much easier, more convenient and cheaper too! ^*^0
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:) I agree Merddin,but just because i don;t use the train don;t mean i have to put up with that eyesore,Cardiff owe Llandudno some development and i suggest they start with giving the go ahead for this. D)
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Oh I want the station doing, ideally I'd like to see it restored to it's former glory (can't see it happening though!). Although I love preserved railways and the odd pleasure ride on modern railways I'll always choose cars over public transport for my journeys
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Here is my top ten,but what order would you put them
1 Railway Station
2 Tudno Castle
3 Pier Pavilion
4 Clarence Hotel
5 Augusta holiday apartments
6 Deganwy Ave flats
7 Mostyn st
8 Pen Morfa
9 Cycle track at black rocks
10 xmas lights :P
Maybe the Castle should be top but just go into the station and see what welcomes you ZXZ
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I would say, top three...
1, Pier Pavilion
2, Clarence Hotel
3, Tudno Castle...
But everyone is different...
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Fester. Surely this should be bottom three. You car'nt have a negative top
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Fester. Surely this should be bottom three. You car'nt have a negative top
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Pedant... WWW WWW WWW
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Update on the Rhos Harbour Bistro site:
In November 2010, as a result of Court action by our solicitors, CDS
recovered control of the Rhos Harbour Bistro. Subsequent visual
inspection of the building and associated services concluded that the
building was not in a fit state to let and that a structural and ground
condition survey was required to inform an options appraisal. The results
of the subsequent survey results have guided officers to consider three
possible options.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
The buildings on Rhos Point have all been subject to fully repairing leases
and therefore maintenance has been the responsibility of the tenants.
However, with the recovery of Rhos Bistro and subsequent survey work it
is evident the useful life of the structures may be in sight and an
opportunity to consider a regeneration project for Rhos on Sea is timely.
The attached list of remedial works identified by consulting structural
engineers Evans Wolfenden gives a simple breakdown of essential items
to be addressed.
The implementation of the Colwyn Bay waterfront project has raised the
profile of our seaboard infrastructure and therefore improvements to Rhos
on Sea would compliment the planned promenade upgrade which
effectively terminate adjacent to the Cayley on the Rhos sea front.
In recent months the Harbour Office have commissioned a design
exercise specifically looking at the feasibility of creating a more formal
harbour area by building on the existing sea defences. This initiative,
when combined with proposals to re-build the Rhos Point area, raises the
potential for a wider regeneration initiative albeit with associated bigger
budget requirements.
The options for consideration are:
(a) Refurbishment:
The Bistro remains a business opportunity with high potential to attract a
quality tenant, most likely, continuing to operate as a catering
establishment. However, any lease offer would be dependant on
refurbishment and would therefore require capital investment subject to a
robust business case offering acceptable financial projections.
Initial estimates for refurbishment of the Bistro building (excluding
mechanical and electrical main services upgrade which, as a rule of
thumb, represent approximately 30% of a refurbishment budget) is
£85,000.
Rhos Point has three kiosks and a Tower which are let for concessions
which are also in need of refurbishment. For the purposes of an options
appraisal consideration is given to a complete Rhos Point refurbishment
(including cosmetic improvements to the seaward retaining wall). This
inclusive work is estimated at £158,500 [not including any provisional
sums e.g. asbestos removal] therefore a working budget of £250,000 -
£300,000 for the Rhos Point site would not be unreasonable. Refurbishment offers a relatively quick solution to restoring the status quo
as we have a substantial waiting list of willing tenants wishing to operate a
catering facility in Rhos. However, crucial to adopting a refurbishment
option is a detailed financial residual appraisal to establish, in simple
terms, whether money invested in refurbishment can be justified when
taking into account the property valuation against rental forecasts. CDS
have instructed our Asset Manager to provide an analysis of the potential
rental income and final asset valuation of the proposed refurbishment
option.
(b) New Build
In isolation, Rhos Bistro would not be a viable new build project. However,
a wider proposal to regenerate the Rhos Point area to include the
waterfront, park, adjacent highway infrastructure and car parking is a
consideration. An initial ‘concept’ visualises a two storey building on the
Point accommodating a restaurant and retail units (replacing the existing
concessions). The Park would be improved including high quality toilet
facilities. The highway infrastructure would be reconfigured to alleviate the
current ‘pinch’ points and improve local parking. No budget has yet been
estimated however it is envisaged the scheme would require a
private/public partnership arrangement initiated by seeking commercial
‘expressions of interest’.
(b) Demolition
This option is proposed as an ‘interim’ scheme designed to visually
improve the site whilst development options are under consideration. The
buildings would be removed, the immediate area landscaped to provide a
local amenity. The advantage of this proposal is limited to a quick solution
whilst more long term options are developed. An indicative budget for this
option is estimated at £50,000.
Council reports:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/published/c00000452/m00002879/ai00029499/ (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/published/c00000452/m00002879/ai00029499/)$rhospointdevelopmentoptionscommunityscrutiny.doc.pdf
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00002879/AI00029499/Wolfendenestimatedcosts.pdf (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00002879/AI00029499/Wolfendenestimatedcosts.pdf)
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Update on the Rhos Harbour Bistro site:
I think there may be another option_____ A new Lifeboat station! Llandudno don't want it, so let us have it in the Bay of Colwyn! This would be ideal with the Waterfront facilities encouraging the use of the Bay. Lifeboat stations have to be a certain distance apart, and with there being one in Rhyl, this would just about be on the borderline, but with more use of the Bay this could possibly be justified, and there would still be easy access to Conwy, Pen and Llanfair. A long jetty would be needed to get past the rocks, but what a brilliant tourist attraction for Rhos! If you agree please lobby the RNLI !
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Nothing wrong with the lifeboat station idea, it is entirely logical given the new waterfront and sports development.
However, if it could remain a private business, then it is potentially an extremely lucrative one.
Dave R and I took a very close look into acquiring this site, (In part or perhaps all of Rhos Point) ..
Following a meeting with CCBC, we were put in a ''queue'' if you like, along with others who had interesting private business ideas for that site.
We were assured that we would be contacted to present our proposals when the lease was available.
That time has long past, and we were not given the courtesy of any reply from CCBC.
I maintain that the Rhos Point site is NOT in the poor condition stated in the report, and if it was, it would not cost anything like those sums to repair.
Something does not add up, and CCBC are becoming a real hinderance to business development and employment in this area.
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A Lease won't be available until CCBC decide which option to go for. I note that the option 'sell off the site and save the taxpapers a lot of money' wasn't included?
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Confirmation at last that the Clarence Hotel in Llandudno has been sold. Wetherspoons have said that it has NOT been sold to them, whilst Travelodge said they had ‘neither signed on, nor agreed upon’, any sale of the site to them. Who is the mystery buyer....? ;)
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/103864/joy-at-clarence-hotel-sale.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/103864/joy-at-clarence-hotel-sale.aspx)
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It is going to be turned into a bigger and better Lodge room by the Freemasons! L0L L0L
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;)I e-mailed Jason about the station the other day having had no reply from JFS or RONNY HUGHES ,sure enought Jason got back to me althought it is not his area,he told me he had spoken to P Evans and was given the story of the Welsh Assembly holding it all up .I must admit i;am suprised at Cll Evans with being the Transport person he is that he is allowing the South Walians to take the Mick out of us,its 11 years and we allow the south to hold up one of our BIGGEST eyesores up.Janet Finch Saunders as our AM WILL YOU PLEASE LET THE ASSEMBLY KNOW THAT WE ARE p****d OFF WITH LOOSING OUT. :rage:
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they will stop the trains comming here before they do anything with the station , and sorry jfs is the same as the rest of them, just look at the whole of llandudno since aberconwy was set up
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Summary of rumours concerning future of Clarence Hotel:
1) Wetherspoons with hotel above.
2) Holiday Inn
3) Yates Wine Lodge
4) Travelodge
5) Premier Travel Inn
Perhaps we should run a sweepstake...? ;D
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I've heard that it isn't any of those !
Try the same as the Old Abbey !
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D)Synogogue
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Which Abbey? Don't say Gogarth Abbey? Demolished?? :o
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This is how Denbighshire council deal with local eyesores, Conwy council take note.
http://bbc.in/pGJhk9 (http://bbc.in/pGJhk9)
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Yet again our road looks as though a bomb has hit it. Oh that's right the re-cyclers have been round. Why can't they put stuff back tidily like they found it. Perhaps they are in a rush to do another job
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Yet again our road looks as though a bomb has hit it. Oh that's right the re-cyclers have been round. Why can't they put stuff back tidily like they found it. Perhaps they are in a rush to do another job
See here :'( $angry$
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=575.25 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=575.25)
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;) Could somebody else e-mail JFS for me to see if shr replies, i do not want to knock her if she has;nt recieved my e-mails. What i have asked her is can she let me know what is happening with Llandudno STATION ,as the Welsh Assembly called the plans in and they had to be re-submitted that was a month ago,so as our newly elected AM CAN SHE FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE UP TO AS HER FIRST CHALLENGE,UP TO NOW I HAVE NOT HAD ANY REPLY ,MAYBE ONE OF YOU WILL HAVE MORE LUCK,CHEERS. cllr.janet.finchsaunders@conwy.gov.uk
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;D I have just e-mailed the Welsh Assembly direct and had conformation so i will let you know if they answer my question,i did not explain i had tried through my AM :'(
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;D Looks like the station development is all set to start in about 6 weeks so hey ho,ere we go. ZXZ
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;D Looks like the station development is all set to start in about 6 weeks so hey ho,ere we go. ZXZ
Did Janet finally get in touch, or did you find out from another source? :)
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;) They had a meeting with the town council on Wednesday and explained there was just one little grant they were waiting on and the project would start in about 6 weeks,which gives them 6 weeks grace from me on their backs.At the meeting where Arriva,CCBC and itake it network rail must have been there. D)
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;) They had a meeting with the town council on Wednesday and explained there was just one little grant they were waiting on and the project would start in about 6 weeks,which gives them 6 weeks grace from me on their backs.At the meeting where Arriva,CCBC and itake it network rail must have been there. D)
Let's hope work will actually start this time! $good$
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Conwy's main eyesore - the Bombsite and the old Chapel. The area has been tidied up this year and looks much better, but it would be nice if something could actually be finally done with the site.
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:P Like i said Dave this will keep me off their backs for 6 weeks.They have gone from one date to the next obviously knowing they had no intension of starting any works or having all parties on board,so don;t hold your breath on this latest date. :rage:
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A new entry for the Eyesores section, the two derelict houses on Deganwy Ave in Llandudno. I believe the houses (which are linked) are divided into flats, all of which are in separate ownership. I recall one of them coming up for sale a while back, guide price £10,000. As usual, CCBC have taken no action in regard to this property, despite it being in this state for many years.
I noticed on Rightmove that one of these 'apartments' is up for sale
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30534241.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30534241.html)
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A new entry for the Eyesores section, the two derelict houses on Deganwy Ave in Llandudno. I believe the houses (which are linked) are divided into flats, all of which are in separate ownership. I recall one of them coming up for sale a while back, guide price £10,000. As usual, CCBC have taken no action in regard to this property, despite it being in this state for many years.
I noticed on Rightmove that one of these 'apartments' is up for sale
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30534241.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30534241.html)
Someone's offered £24k for one - crazy. It's worth pretty much nothing. "Please note that this apartment is in a block of eight and the freeholder is unknown. "
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Summary of rumours concerning future of Clarence Hotel:
1) Wetherspoons with hotel above.
2) Holiday Inn
3) Yates Wine Lodge
4) Travelodge
5) Premier Travel Inn
Perhaps we should run a sweepstake...? ;D
We have a winner! +}}{--
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Is that another rumour or a fact?
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Is that another rumour or a fact?
It's an unconfirmed fact.... :P ;D
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Is that another rumour or a fact?
It's an unconfirmed fact.... :P ;D
:laugh:
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WWW I hope i have got this one right, a friend of mine who is into ghosthunting tried to use the Tudno castle for an evening only to be told its been SOLD. Pray this one is right. :'(
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:D Who actually owns or did own the Tudno Castle. :-X
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:( We know the Pier Pavilion is now a lost cause again so forget it, the station looks like it will goahead[ sometime ] ,the Clarence is to be a Premier inn ,only a rumour about the Tudno Castle having been sold[ we hope] so that leaves Parc Llandudno;s hoarding to remove, Augusta holiday flats ,Deganwy Ave flats and the Gogarth Abbey to sort out, whoopee. Z**
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Workers in the Clarence reckon they are employed by Premier Inns :-X
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I think is becoming relatively common knowledge that Premier Inns have purchased The Clarence.
I for one, am delighted.
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Here, here! My relatives will have a cheap place to stay when they decided to visit! L0L
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I will send my relatives there as well and stop them sponging of me :P
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:P I noticed that the owners of the Tudno Castle hotel say they have no money to spend looking after the place ,may i suggest they drop the price then and get rid. ZXZ
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I don't think it's even for sale, is it Wrex?
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:D oops D)
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I noticed yesterday that another section of rendering had fallen off the rear of the Tudno Castle Hotel. Demolition cannot be that long away.
Here's a photo of the rear of the Clarence Hotel, taken from up in Haulfre Gardens. You can see how bad a state it is in, it will need to be almost completely rebuilt when it becomes a budget hotel:
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Visted the Deganwy Castle Hotel this lunch time to meet one of the owners and the Planning Consultants.
Seen a copy of the proposed plans for the site. They have asked that we hold back annoucing what is in the plans so they can annouce it themselves next week.
Planning Consultants have arrange a Public Exhibition at the Hotel on Thursday 25th August between 3pm and 7pm.
May be a chance for some photographs to be taken!
Planning Application to be submitted in September.
They are making use of the Pre-Application Discussions with Planning Officers (always recommended).
The owner has indicated they have the funds in place to start work, subject to Planning Permission.
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$good$ Nice one Jason keeping us informed even without letting it out,most councillors just ignore their electrate. Jason im glad to see CCBC have agreed to alow Parc Llandudno to build the two new units opposite Tudor Court,common sense. ZXZ
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Nice to see you back on the Forum Jason..
If you can't tell us the full story yet, can you at least tell us one thing.... ''are we going to like the plan?''
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??? Still waiting to find out if Llandudno station is to be developed or left for another year. :-[
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??? Still waiting to find out if Llandudno station is to be developed or left for another year. :-[
Let me put you out of your misery, Wrex. The Scheme has been pushed back (yet again) and is not now scheduled to start until Spring 2012.
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Nice to see you back on the Forum Jason..
If you can't tell us the full story yet, can you at least tell us one thing.... ''are we going to like the plan?''
Hi Fester,
I think you will. from a historic building perspective it should be an improvement to what is there now, (see the old photo on my latest blog as a hint)
From usage aspect. I always believed there would have to be a compromise. The problem with compromise it may not suit everyone. I would have liked to see a little extra on the social side, but business is business and they have to make the development work.
There is a new element, of which I reserve judgement at this point.
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They have been putting it back for eleven years,Cll P Evans really has let this one get the better of him,shame.
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Jason do you know why this town is being messed about and left to wrot.
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Nice to see you back on the Forum Jason..
If you can't tell us the full story yet, can you at least tell us one thing.... ''are we going to like the plan?''
Hi Fester,
I think you will. from a historic building perspective it should be an improvement to what is there now, (see the old photo on my latest blog as a hint)
From usage aspect. I always believed there would have to be a compromise. The problem with compromise it may not suit everyone. I would have liked to see a little extra on the social side, but business is business and they have to make the development work.
There is a new element, of which I reserve judgement at this point.
I just hope that none of the front gardens will be built on - I'm quite happy to see some of the later extensions to the building disappear.
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Jason do you know why this town is being messed about and left to wrot.
If only I knew. I have always had an issue with Strategic Regeneration Areas, they mean concentration of resources is concentrated in these particular areas. That's all very well as the areas do need it, but not at the expensive of other areas that if not looked after will be in need of regeneration sooner.
The last time I spoke to the officers re Station, the funding was the issue (latest excuse), and they said they still hope work would start this financial year and complete by the end of the following financial year, so if DaveR is correct (I'm sure he is) I suppose Spring 2012 is pushing the "financial year" argument to the limit.
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They are currently waiting for a decision re funding from WEFO (Welsh European Funding Office). Should be due this Autumn.
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Hello, My wife and I both love Llandudno, as did my late parents, who, as I have previousely posted worked in a Llandudno hotel before the war. A few weeks ago my wife and I spent a few days in Llandudno and noticed the state of the Clarence and Castle Hotels. It is very sad.
Surely, as Llandudno is mainly a holiday resort, it cannot continue that buildings are allowed to fall into decay. People do not go to llandudno, Conway or Deganway to see buildings that are boarded up wrecks; we can see those anywhere.
Surely the local council has a duty to the area to compulsary purchase any empty buildings or untidy plots of land that have been bought as 'investments' by some outsider, and left an untidy mess.
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Very good points, Anthony, I've long said the same.
The Clarence, at least, will shortly begin renovation work to become a well known chain budget hotel on its upper floors, and a restaurant/bar on the ground floor. The Tudno Castle seems destined to rot for a while longer, as the owners are Irish property speculators who are now not as rich as they once were.
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The pink flats in Deganwy Avenue have been mentioned several times on this thread.. good to see a skip outside them being filled up with builders' rubbish from inside the old flats.
Understand preparatory work is underway before they are turned into apartments.....it will be good when this happens as the pink flats don't do much to enhance the image of a street full of little hotels and B&Bs.
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sorry anthony WE are talking about CCBC we have 2 long standing councilers who represent that ward ,quite a few buildings are ruins and they don,t seem to be bothered so i don,t know why they keep going in the elections umm wonder why
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The pink flats in Deganwy Avenue have been mentioned several times on this thread.. good to see a skip outside them being filled up with builders' rubbish from inside the old flats.
Understand preparatory work is underway before they are turned into apartments.....it will be good when this happens as the pink flats don't do much to enhance the image of a street full of little hotels and B&Bs.
That's good news, thanks for sharing. $good$
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Talking of long standing councillors ,when is our long standing transport cll going to stand up and make a statement about the station, they are a laughing stock and CCBC and the Welsh Assembly are taking the Mick with this so called development . Lets remember the original plan was downgraded from a transport hub to a car park but still we wait and wait and as NORMAL not a word from the council ,they should be up in arms about the delay after delay but not a WORD UTTER DISGRACE.
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The Welsh assembly were responsible for calling in the application for the Tudno Castle hotel and now look what we are left with,it will not be long befor a match is put to it and now its the assembly who called in the plans for the station , only difference is they knocked it down first so it can;t be torched. :rage:
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The Clarence, at least, will shortly begin renovation work to become a well known chain budget hotel on its upper floors, and a restaurant/bar on the ground floor.
According to the Weekly News today the only people who don't know what is happening are Cllrs John Boyle, Margaret Lyons and Janet Haworth! Or maybe it was just an apportunity to have their photograph taken to look as though they atually do anything! L0L WWW
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The Clarence, at least, will shortly begin renovation work to become a well known chain budget hotel on its upper floors, and a restaurant/bar on the ground floor.
According to the Weekly News today the only people who don't know what is happening are Cllrs John Boyle, Margaret Lyons and Janet Haworth! Or maybe it was just an apportunity to have their photograph taken to look as though they atually do anything! L0L WWW
I was just reading that article and noted Cllr Haworth's comments about it possibly becoming a 'holiday centre for Jewish families' - why refer to a particular race or religion? Her comments come across as being slightly anti-semitic! :(
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The Deganwy Castle Hotel is to become a Boutique Hotel, Restaurant/Public Bar and Apartments, according to the Weekly News. Good news. $good$
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I was just reading that article and noted Cllr Haworth's comments about it possibly becoming a 'holiday centre for Jewish families' - why refer to a particular race or religion? Her comments come across as being slightly anti-semitic! :(
At least the food will be Kosher! _))*
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The Deganwy Castle Hotel is to become a Boutique Hotel, Restaurant/Public Bar and Apartments, according to the Weekly News. Good news. $good$
It's good that's its gone public I can now talk about it. I understand it will be a 8 room hotel. The old health club and the function rooms will no longer be part of the hotel and will be converted to apartments. The frontage of the hotel will have the 1960's extensions removed, and will take it back to the picture as shown below.
The hotel and bar area will be in the oldest part of the building, with the apartments on the the wings either side of this.
The more recent development on the railway side will be demolished and will be rebuilt in a modern design. This was advised to differentiate this from the original building. The footprint (not height) will be increased slightly in the new build. It will be closer to the railway line, but windows are orientated away from the properties on the other side of the line. The windows will be directed up the estuary towards Conwy Castle.
Dave your hopes that the grounds will not be developed have been answered. The carpark areas will be maintained and the areas will be landscaped providing outside space for the bar and restaurants. The lawned area will be maintained.
The existing entrance to the Hotel from Station Rd will be maintained (including the pillars), but will be for pedestrians. A new wider vehicle entrance will be produced next to the existing entrance. The fountain will be removed to make way for the new entrance and relocated within the grounds.
I'd encourage people to see the plans next week, to see the detail for themselves.
It does look like a very good scheme, and we always thought there would have to be a compromise between a hotel and residential. The fact a bar and restaurant will return is great news.
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As always, thanks for the info, Jason. $good$
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:( With the state of the Tudno Castle and theIrish owners pleading poverty why don;t they put it in the market and offload ,there has to be more to it,when we get the next big storm bits are going to be flying and falling of the building straight onto Mostyn Broadway causeing somebody an injury. :'(
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Interesting to see that Travelodge are continuing their push into Conwy County with plans to open one in Betws Y Coed....
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Asbestos firm in the Clarence today, nice to see things moving. Z**
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Let's face it we are never going to get a new modern train station it's all bull.
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sorry anthony WE are talking about CCBC we have 2 long standing councilers who represent that ward ,quite a few buildings are ruins and they don,t seem to be bothered so i don,t know why they keep going in the elections umm wonder why
On our last visit to Llandudno we went on the red open top bus and the running commentry that we listened to made much reference to the Mostyn Estate's involvment with Llandudno.
This may seem silly but how much influence does the Mostyn Estate have now and could they be approached about the derelict buildings and land in the town?
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Mostyn Estates don't own the Clarence Hotel, Pier Pavilion site or Railway Station. They may own the Freehold of the Tudno Castle Hotel but, if so, it will probably be on a 999 year lease, so their powers over it are probably quite limited or I would have thought they would have done something, especially since as they have to look out at it every day from their offices. Mostyn Estates staff do read the forum, perhaps one of them would like to comment?
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A small eyesore which I am attempting to have tackled....I've emailed Cllr Mike Priestley regarding the Shelter in Haulfre Gardens which is falling to bits and asked him to see if anything can be done about it. He's replied, saying he will look into it and report back to me. I'll let you know what he says.
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A small eyesore which I am attempting to have tackled....I've emailed Cllr Mike Priestley regarding the Shelter in Haulfre Gardens which is falling to bits and asked him to see if anything can be done about it. He's replied, saying he will look into it and report back to me. I'll let you know what he says.
I've received a reply from Cllr. Priestley - he is arranging for a Contractor to assess the Shelter with a view to carrying out repairs. Hopefully, the cost will not be high and the work can be carried out.
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The disintegrating Tudno Castle Hotel:
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There is one local who seems to live at the side of the station ,now he is forever burning stuff, come winter he is going to be looking for shelter and one guesses he will endup inside the Tudno Castle setting fire to any old wood,problem is alchol ,he gets so drunk he is liable to set the whole place alight. If you walk past the hotel it is possible to throw a fag stump through the broken glass onto a settee,they are asking for it to go up,it would solve their cadw problem. WWW
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I noticed a few new broken windows when I walked past yesterday. The Council should force the Owners to secure the building properly.
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This issue of homeless alcoholics setting fire to a building providing a roof, of sorts, over their heads---this has happened several times in Rhyl, the most ill famous being the lovely Grange Hotel. On youtube there is a video of the owner going around the wreck, nearly in tears.
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This issue of homeless alcoholics setting fire to a building providing a roof, of sorts, over their heads---this has happened several times in Rhyl, the most ill famous being the lovely Grange Hotel. On youtube there is a video of the owner going around the wreck, nearly in tears.
It was a nice place in it's time and I've enjoyed many drinking sessions there in the past. I believe that an application was made to convert the building to apartments but was refused on various grounds including that it was a listed building.
There have been other cases in the area notably in Rhos on sea and Abergele where planning permission was refused for conversion of the listed buildings into apartments and then the buildings were closed. Then fires were mysteriously started in them and the damage was so bad that the listed buildings had to be demolished and then of course there was no objection to the building of apartments on the site. Perhaps I'm cynical in my old age but the tears that those two owners were shedding would have been tears of joy. $hands$
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Asbestos firm in the Clarence today, nice to see things moving. Z**
That's nothing to be sniffed at Wrex.
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:) What is the next stage with the Tudno Castle ,Mr Rivers has had his say and i suspect it it did burn the developers would be quite happy hence the real lack of security. As i have said the next big storm will bring a lot of debri down from that building and the developers need this pointing out , lucky for them there is a doctors surgery opposite.
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CCBC should start putting some real pressure on the Owners to carry out proper repairs and secure the building. If they don't want to spend the money, then they should put it up for sale.
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I wonder why the station project was not in place just waiting for the grant and go , oh no know network rail will do the proper plans and we have another year of delays, i can;t wait to hear next years delays. :twoface:
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Why don't you see if you can get the decorating contract? ;)
You got contacts!
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Let's face it we are never going to get a new modern train station it's all bull.
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=142&doc=29421&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=142&doc=29421&Language=1)
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Network Rail will now start the detailed design process, and the work on site is anticipated to start in the spring.
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8) How is the Tudno Castle holding up with this wind. WWW
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wrex, please don't give the owners any ideas WWW
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;D OMG i hope the Tudno Castle is still intact in this wind. WWW
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:) At last Travelodge are putting their plans into CCBC ,they have signed the lease and will open next year if CCBC approve them.Pioneer ZXZ
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More from the BBC about The Clarence / Travelodge.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14928575 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14928575)
I think its fantastic news, and I can't wait to see how it is restored.
There are so many faults with that building that I just assumed that it would remain an eyesore until demolished...but NO!
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I wonder if Travel Lodge know about the subsidence of the hotel?
Cllr John Oddy commented on the Three Towns Blog:
After winning the CADW award for the Milverton Hotel I was asked to price up for a full renovation of the Clarence by Mr Raghip, the owner. To my recollection the cost was close to £750,000. As you look at it in your photo; the entire right hand side is suffering from subsidence, this is caused by a mine adit running down Bodhyfryd Road. This has caused damage to all five floors, coupled with the roof being rotten and holed, which needed total renewal, the fire escapes were in such disrepair that they would have been condemned and the rendering to the right hand side of the building I warned him was in imminent danger of falling off and killing someone, it actually fell off three nights later luckily causing no damage to others. Internally the upper floors were a mess, water damaged and damp and, in all, very dated.
The work was to be done through a grant from the Council and CADW but due to a request by the owner to alter the quote I felt unable to continue and withdrew, the work was never done so, I suspect he had the same response from other contractors. At that time the works could have been staged to allow it to continue trading as a hotel but now, after approx 6 years, I’m afraid it would have to be completely gutted and a total refurbishment or conversion would be £1-1.5m, if the asking price is only £1m and it converts into12 apartments you would have to be selling them at £200,000+ to be just breaking even, not a viable option in this day and age!.
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I assume its all been surveyed prior to them purchasing it. Travelodge routinely spend a couple of million on each new development, so no big deal for them.
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The subject of the mine adit has been a point of discussion among the locals for years-- wondered when it would raise its ugly head again!
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Go on ----- educate me ------ what is a mine adit? Of course I know what a mine is.
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A horizontal tunnel into a mine, could be an entrance / exit or for water drainage
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This is the main Adit at the Klondyke Mine in the Conwy Valley:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4096/4790120265_682ce8de26_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4790120265/)
Klondyke Main Adit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4790120265/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Thats pretty!!
But as concerns the one which hinders The Clarence, no doubt they will pop a couple of 'steels' accross the top, and the job's a good 'un.
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...or backfill it with concrete for a way?
Very off topic (and I've probably mentioned this story before but it's a good one) it was the Klondyke Mine that was the scene of a notorious mining fiddle many years ago. In 1918, local wideboy Joseph Aspinall claimed to have discovered a huge vein of silver in the adjacent adit. He bought 20 tons of powdered lead concentrate and glued it to the walls to give the impression that the entire passage passed through a huge vein of silver. He then brought potential investors up from London to view the vein and convince them to give him loads of cash. A mass of miners were employed to stand around doing nothing. Whenever Aspinall turned up with a viewing party, a hoot of his car horn triggered the miners to busy themselves around the premises - some guarding the adit with cudgels, others running around the place like ants on an ant hill. By the time he was rumbled, he managed to secure investments of £166,000, which in today's money is a rather improbable £6million. He was jailed for 22 months.
Never forget...the definition of a mine is a hole in the ground with a liar at the top of it... :laugh:
It's a very pleasant walk up from Trefriw (excluding the steep bit at the start), ideal for a Sunday morning:
http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/showthread.php/12226-Klondyke-Mill-Conwy-Valley-March-2011 (http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/showthread.php/12226-Klondyke-Mill-Conwy-Valley-March-2011)
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Superb story.... is it true?
Spending 22 months in jail for £6 million .... quite a trade off. Z**
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Yep,it's a true story.
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http://www.goes.org.uk/ (http://www.goes.org.uk/)
Here you are Mike-- have a browse on this fascinating site. It shows pics, maps and charts of the Orme. The whole thing is a honeycomb of passages and caves, some mined, some not.
We have a deep (covered ) well in our back yard and constant water draining from the Orme behind into the drains especially after heavy rain.
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Looking at the various plans etc on the GOES website, I don't seem to see any mine shaft under Bodhyfryd Road?
The latest edition of the GOES Journal has some fascinating photos in it:
http://www.goes.org.uk/assets/Journals/2011_GOES_Journal_1.pdf (http://www.goes.org.uk/assets/Journals/2011_GOES_Journal_1.pdf)
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Yes I agree there, I have never yet seen an adit or shaft on any plan, the fact was based on local 'tales'. Wonder is there is any truth or indeed proof of its existance?
Found the GOES link most interesting, have saved it to read properly later and passed it to my caving friend. Thanks for that.
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Maybe it's a secret tunnel excavated by Nigel Roberts? 8)
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$donald$
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8) What do you think , a shopping center joining on to the station , a Waitrose. Primark ,T K Makk etc ,multi-story car parking, Cinema complex all under one roof, thoughts. WWW
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That's an ambitious project, Wrex, would the Station site be large enough if you included all the necessary car parking?
I think attracting any cinema operator would be a stretch, with the Junction multiplex being so close. There simply wouldn't be the catchment area to support it.
Waitrose, however, is another matter...
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It would have to be all multi-story car parking and yes the site is big enough but nobody is going to invest at a time like this, would be nice though. Z**
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8) What do you think , a shopping center joining on to the station , a Waitrose. Primark ,T K Makk etc ,multi-story car parking, Cinema complex all under one roof, thoughts. WWW
A Transport Hub including a tourist information office, cafe/restaurant, welsh craft and other retail shops, a taxi rank, tour buses and a standard bus stop.
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;) Yes Bri it would be ideal next to our new transport hub Z**
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Thank you Merddin and Nemesis for educating me.
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;D Nice to see the Elsinore getting a clean up ,how the St Georges put up with that mess next door.
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Maybe, the owners have been reading this forum, wrex. ;)
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Never mind Waitrose, E.H.Booths of Preston are even better. Currently their nearest branch is Knutsford I think.
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Never mind Waitrose, E.H.Booths of Preston are even better. Currently their nearest branch is Knutsford I think.
Certainly the sort of business that we should be trying to attract to Llandudno. $good$
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Yes. Knutsford now has both with the recent opening of Waitrose in addition to Booths.
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:D The Tudno Castle Hotel would make a brilliant Crown Plaza or Ramada hotel, only 1 minute from the coach park,1 min from the prom,2 mins from the station, 5 mins from Venue Cymru in the middle of all the shops with a footfall for meals and coffees, ideal for a purpose built wedding venue, only problem its not up for sale, yet the owners cannot afford too protect it.Lets hope Llandudno manages too pull this one. :-X
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To my mind, the Tudno Castle Hotel is now becoming almost a big a problem as the Pier Pavilion site. Demolition (or the 'mysterious fire') can surely only be a few months away.
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I saw the North Star Estates van outside the Elms Hotel yesterday. For the uninitiated, that means the boarding up squad. The front doors of the hotel have now been boarded up and a lot of junk piled in the driveway. Shame, it's a lovely location.
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It looks like the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales has made the Tudno Castle Hotel a threatened building and this year has been making recording work
http://bit.ly/oFbPoE (http://bit.ly/oFbPoE)
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Travelodge workmen are supposed to be start working on 'converting' the Clarence Hotel in December
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Back in January, I contacted Cllr Mike Priestley (who is the Cabinet Member for the Environment at CCBC) regarding the chewing gum problem on Llandudno's pavements. His reply was:
"I think you raise a fair point regarding Mostyn Street and I totally agree with you that it is a mess. I would however, at this point like to state that chewing gum on pavements is a national problem. I have been looking at this problem and ways to tackle it for some time now and have seen a number of chewing gum removal equipment demonstrations. I have to say, only one has caught my eye. This year I will be looking to purchase some equipment to address the chewing gum problem and will be seeking the best and most efficient system. The biggest problem I see is the length of time it will take to clear a particular road or street of chewing gum. My department is looking into this with a view to working with partners. I can also look to place a business case to have a one-off cleanse followed by our staff keeping on top of the problem.
I am also looking at a three prong attack on this
Education in schools and the media pointing out all the problems this causes
Enforcement – catching and fining those responsible
Cleaning – implementing a cleansing schedule which includes the removal of gum from our pavements
The above, I believe, can make a difference to our streets and pavements and this is an issue I want to tackle."
Sadly, nothing has been done since to remove the chewing gum!
Full blog post:
http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2010/01/concidence-to-chew-over.html (http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2010/01/concidence-to-chew-over.html)
The wheels at CCBC certainly move slowly but it seems our prodding has finally borne fruit, with CCBC testing a new machine to remove chewing gum in Llandudno.:
http://mikepriestley.blogspot.com/2011/10/street-washing.html (http://mikepriestley.blogspot.com/2011/10/street-washing.html)
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I can't seem to see any difference in the two pictures ???
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I can't seem to see any difference in the two pictures ???
I think they were both 'after' ones, for some reason! The pavement around Bog Island by Habit Tea Rooms has been cleaned, looks a lot better.
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Eyesores......well hopefully eventually 'The Pier Pavillion',will be 'resolved' as will be 'The Clarence' and 'The North Western' hotel by the gardens of the same name,we need to be ready to compete........... &shake&
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BBC News - 10% of Wales' listed buildings may be lost, says expert http://bbc.in/qTyhz0 (http://bbc.in/qTyhz0)
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I'm not sure if this has already been included in the eyesore list but if it hasn't it certainly should be. The house is the first one on the left up Ty Gwyn Road after the bad bend. It's windows and doors have been bricked up but it's been like that for ages.
Does anyone know who owns it and why it's in that condition?
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It's owned by the Empire Hotel, I believe. I'm guessing here but there may be structural problems with it.
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Is that the building that had subsidence problems after the Empire extended to the rear a few years ago?
Maybe that's why they own it?
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Used to belong to a Mr and Mrs Bulger (or was that Bolger?) I think.
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:( I would like to put Mostyn st on the list ,everybody in the country knows the High st is in trouble and Llandudno is no exception ,we also know that the town council did mention a town manager ,they have decided to improve two side roads with xmas illuminations,leaving the High st to itself. The worst looking property has to be the old Burger King and nobody has looked at cleaning the frontage.CCBC decided we do not warant the electric car parking signs , so i nominate Mostyn st just for the lack of effort from both Councils to improve the Street. ZXZ
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Funny you should mention the Burger King Wrex,
Dave R was telling me yesterday that the asking price has been HALVED to £415k.
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That's still a lot of burgers though!!
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How is the station project going, has anybody heard of a start date yet.The last date given was spring 2012 which of course is the last of many we have been given, ofcourse all the other dates have been given without all the funding in place,this last one promised it is all in place,we pray.
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Noticed a bull dozer on the site of the Gogarth Abbey Hotel yesterday. What's happening?
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Walking down Old Road into town yesterday I noticed that someone with immense patience has for some reason written messages, in black marker pen, about the names of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse onto the double yellow lines on the side of the road. In the unlikely event that the scribe looks into this forum it might have been an idea to learn how to spell the names of the four horsemen and indeed the word "apocalypse" before you started out.
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I expect the four horsemen will stay in the Clarence when they arrive ;D
Only the fourth horseman is named. His name is Death and he rides on the pale horse. The other riders are historically called Conquest on the white horse, War on the firey red horse, and Famine on the black horse.
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Noticed a bull dozer on the site of the Gogarth Abbey Hotel yesterday. What's happening?
It and other things are often left there. Think it is being used as a builder's yard. :(
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"Pestilence" was the one the Graffiti artist really struggled with and "Apocalypse" they gave up after several crossing outs.
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I expect the four horsemen will stay in the Clarence when they arrive ;D
Only the fourth horseman is named. His name is Death and he rides on the pale horse. The other riders are historically called Conquest on the white horse, War on the firey red horse, and Famine on the black horse.
But there are only Four REAL Horsemen, those being the Wrestling Gods pictured below, led by the magnificent Arn Anderson, and 'The Nature Boy', Ric Flair! WOOOOOOOOOOOO
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:-X I noticed Anwyl boarding up more windows in the Tudno Castle this afternoon ,i wonder why they are used?.The whole of the outside is now falling to bits, ithought they had to keep it for Cadw , it seems to me this will go the same way as Gogarth Abbey and that is why it sucks to see Anwyl involved at any level.
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Good question....
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More boarding over the rear windows at Plas-y Dre too. Large post and chains on the rear drive as well. ( Coaches were using it as an overnight park). Wonder who's left a light on outside?
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The old cottage hospital on Trinity Avenue (latterly the yoof centre) has been further secured too and a sign for a private security company has been put up on the wall also.
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When is something finally going to be done about the appalling state of this blight on Conwy? Just about every visitor to our town will be greatly impressed by the castle, scared to death by the narrowness of the gap their car or coach has to squeeze through on the way to the car park, and then they will see the devastation that is the Billington's site and wonder what on earth is going on. Over recent weeks it has become even worse as more and more of the fencing has been broken down. I know that the council have been attempting to get the owners to have the site cleared and that an order to do so has been appealed, and I believe that the appeal will not now be until the 31st January 2012. How much longer will we have to put up with this blight on the town? I cannot believe that the council have not ordered the owners to have the site made safe and at least have the fencing reinstated. The place is wide open and I am sure that given the current blame culture if a child is injured, (or worse), playing in the building, the parents will be looking for someone to sue. Please, please, will someone get this site sorted?
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Deganwy Castle Hotel Planning Application submitted
Part demolition, conversion and extension of former hotel building to provide residential appartments, a hotel, restaurant and public bar with associated car parking, services areas, amenity space and landscaping.
0/38578 and 0/38579 (listed Building Consent)
Consultation period ends 13th Feb
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Excellent news Jason.
Whatever the resultant business, it is most definitely preferable to how it is now. :) :)
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News on Billingtons Garage:
Location: Billingtons Garage Llanrwst Road Conwy LL32 8HR
Community Council: Cyngor Tref Conwy Town Council
Received Date : 19/01/2012
Determination Level Planning Committee
Development Type(s): Ward: Conwy
Registered Date: 19/01/2012
Team: Major Applications Team
Proposal: Demolition of Detached Single Storey Disused Commercial Garage (Demolition Prior
Approval)
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So what happened to Muellers' appeal for change of use (if I recall correctly) due about now?
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Smacks of a further delaying tactic to me, their appeal was due to be heard I think on the 31st of this month, so don't know what they are up to. I note the the application does not suggest demolition of all buildings on the site, so again, a delaying tactic? Whatever they are up to, you can bet nothing will be done to improve the site, they are an absolute shower!
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I think I am correct in saying that planning consent lasts for three years from the date of approval. So, as a fresh planning application has been made for the site, I assume the appeal will be put on hold pending the outcome of the application. So that takes care of the appeal for them, and if permission is granted for what appears to be a partial demolition, they can then, I assume, leave any work for three years. I just hope that the council can find a way to press ahead with the order to clear the site, but I am not hopeful. If only I was able to swear on the forum, I would then feel a whole lot better. :'(
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In that case, I shall not buy any more of their yoghurts!
(And if anyone thinks I am serious, I know they are not the same company).
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Some news from just outside our area, but of interest nonetheless. The owners of Gwrych Castle in Abergele have launched their website for the redevelopment of it into a luxury country house hotel and spa.
http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle/ (http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle/)
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Some news from just outside our area, but of interest nonetheless. The owners of Gwrych Castle in Abergele have launched their website for the redevelopment of it into a luxury country house hotel and spa.
http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle/ (http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle/)
Dave, Do you know anything about the developers? I note that their stated aim is to undertake a restoration project that, when completed, will allow for public access to the grounds. I may be cynical, but I would have a small wager that if the project goes ahead, the "public access" bit will fall away from the completed plan. I am sure that an upmarket hotel and spar will not want the great unwashed tramping around their grounds.
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I'm sure you're right, it's always been private property anyway. I imagine people will still be able to walk in the woods at the back and maybe along the drive/through the woods but not in the castle grounds itself.
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4035/4692933083_574d78c64e_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4692933083/)
Roofless (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4692933083/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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An update on another major local building, Hafodunos, which is in the hills above Colwyn Bay:
The owner of an historic North Wales mansion has told of his hopes of transforming it into a leading arts venue for the region.
Dentist Rick Wood says he wants 19th century Hafodunos Hall to host festivals, exhibitions, concerts and local eisteddfod events.
Mr Wood, who is also a guitarist and songwriter, bought the property early in 2010 for £390,000.
Since then he’s carried out work to stabilise the Grade I listed building, which was gutted by fire in 2004.
Mr Wood, 56, who works in Manchester, said: “We’re looking at how we can use it for mini-eisteddfodau and to hold events there - to make use of the building and the grounds and the land.
“We have tidied it up and got it into a state where we’re now working on the listed building consents before we can do any active repairs to the main building.”
Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/01/25/long-term-eisteddfod-plans-for-historic-hafodunos-hall-91466-30191500/#ixzz1keh49NvW (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/01/25/long-term-eisteddfod-plans-for-historic-hafodunos-hall-91466-30191500/#ixzz1keh49NvW)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2181/2483100685_a850c86cd5_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/2483100685/)
Hafodunos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/2483100685/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Beautiful place. The interior was lovely and I have lots of memories of the lovely fittings in Hafodunos. It was a tragedy what happened to it.
I remember reading a book by SAVE Britain's Heritage one and of their top 20 buildings in danger in Britain, 3 were in Conwy county (viz. Hafodunos, Gwrych and Kinmel Hall). Considering how small Conwy is in terms of the UK, to have such a high proportion of what they felt were nationally significant and seriously endangered buildings was not much of a recommendation for the council and its policies.
Conwy seems so sclerotic and slow when it comes to trying to get things done. If someone has a scheme to improve things Conwy should do everything in its power to make sure it happens, not frighten away developers with red tape and hand-wringing.
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Any more news regarding the derelict church (former Elim Pentecostal) near Colwyn Bay Library?
I understood that the property is not for demolition and has been bought for conversion to 9 flats and a start had been made moving stuff from inside, but that was nearly 2 years ago !!
Bay Lad.
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Perhaps the owner couldn't find the cash to do the work and is sitting on it until things improve? It's been semi-derelict for quite a few years now, hasn't it?
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Also somebody mentioned to me even the pipe organ is still in place - Remember going inside many years ago when it ran as Engedi Welsh Methodist church or chapel !!. Great shame to see the building in the condition it is at the moment.
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Planning Application to demolish Billingtons Garage can be seen here:
http://goo.gl/HucB3 (http://goo.gl/HucB3)
Whether the demolition will still go ahead, being as the site has apparently been sold, is another matter.
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Not sure whether it should be or not. The old Deganwy station site - work has been going on there this week. Are they just tidying it up yet again or is something more permanent about to happen?
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I think Network Rail are using it as a base for work being carried out on the line? Not sure.
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You might well be right Dave, Network Rail has been carrying out work there over the past two weekends. In fact last weekend the whole of the North Wales line from Chester to Holyhead was affected by track work with bus services operating.
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Deganwy is due to have new level crossing barriers fitted in the near future so there has been quite a lot of prep work going on lately as they are of a newer type (similar to the ones at Deganwy Quay CCTV Xing) which need new wiring and location cabinets. It's rumoured that they will also fit one of the new devices which will scan the crossing once the barriers are down to ensure there are no vehicles/people trapped before the signals can be cleared.
I also hear that the footbridge in the station area is to be taken away for a while to be repaired as it has been reported to be in quite a bad state of repair.
The piece of land at the back of the car park has always been used to store machinery/portakabins/road railers/etc... which logistically usually need to get delivered days before any jobs are done on the line so that everything is in place before work commences as possessions of the line are very time sensitive so as to cause the least disruption to booked train services.
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Thanks for the info, SDQ. $good$
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Glad to see the Tudno castle is up for sale at last,a new sign up today ,development site,hopefully someone will be interested.
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Glad to see the Tudno castle is up for sale at last,a new sign up today ,development site,hopefully someone will be interested.
That's excellent news. Did you happen to see which commercial estate agent it was?
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The agent involved last time the Tudno Castle development was advertised was Mason and Owen.
This time, I can't find it listed online as yet. Are we talking demolition do you think? I hope it can be avoided.
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Not Mason Owen but alzimers says i can;t remember
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Not sure whether it should be or not. The old Deganwy station site - work has been going on there this week. Are they just tidying it up yet again or is something more permanent about to happen?
Regarding Deganwy station the site has been taken over temporarily by Babcock Rail who at the moment are renewing the level crossing equipment at Deganwy (by the signalbox) and utilising the station site to store their equipment. ;)
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The agent involved last time the Tudno Castle development was advertised was Mason and Owen.
This time, I can't find it listed online as yet. Are we talking demolition do you think? I hope it can be avoided.
The sign outside the Tudno Castle mentions 'Prescott and Partners'
I was driving, but I think that is what it said.
The only reference I can find on Google talks about Prescott and Partners leasing a hotel in London to expand their 'fine dining experience' *&( *&(
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http://www.mccarthyandstone.co.uk/property-for-sale/llandudno.html (http://www.mccarthyandstone.co.uk/property-for-sale/llandudno.html)
Here is a link to McCarthy and Stone's development at Plas y Dre. The blurb says:
"Construction of the 42 one and two bedroom development is expected to begin in March 2013 with first sales in July 2013. First occupations are anticipated in March 2014".
Seems an awfully long time to wait. Their development at Cwrt San Tudno was one of their quickest ever sellers so you'd have thought they would get this done quickly. They are due to be given planning permission this week. Maybe the economy? Although older people are far less affected by the downturn in the housing market in many respects, as opposed to struggling first-time buyers.
I was also thinking about the Tudno Castle. It would make a great Waitrose on the ground floor, with apartments/hotel above. Probably about as big a floor area as their Menai Bridge store too.
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That's a good idea about the Tudno Castle. Waitrose on ground floor, with a Premier Inn above. The only drawback with the plan may be Parking, or rather, the lack of it.
I must try and find out how much it is on the market for.
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Bodhyfryd Rd in Llandudno will be closed to all traffic from Masonic St from 1-3-12 to 21-12-12 for construction work at the Clarence Hotel
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I hope that the Elms Hotel will be sold shortly and will not need to go on the Eyesores list.It's been reduced to £375k if anyone is interested. ;)
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Colin Flannigan of St David's Commercial has purchased Billingtons and has 'exciting ideas' for it.
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Knowing Colin that will be a lap dancing cllub then.
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I hope that the Elms Hotel will be sold shortly and will not need to go on the Eyesores list.It's been reduced to £375k if anyone is interested. ;)
Check out Eddisons latest sales catalogue Dave on the 21 February 2012 http://www.eddisons.com/property-auctions/online-catalogue/163-24/ (http://www.eddisons.com/property-auctions/online-catalogue/163-24/) The guide price is now listed at £250,000 plus. It sounds cheap at that price but take my word for it, Its not. The damage that has been done to the property has to be seen to be believed. When I think back to the amount of hard work and money put into the Elms by Willy and Doreen Zwibbden it makes me weep. At the peak of the property boom it was up for sale at £760,000. How times have changed.
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I went past the Washington today and was shocked at how tatty it looked. Part of the pavement is even fenced off to protect pedestrians from falling render.
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Re the previous posting about Hafodunos Hall-- I spotted this little snippit this morning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-16965497 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-16965497)
Anyone any idea which graveyard she is buried in ? It looks very like St Michaels in Betwys, but I don't think that the outer stonework there is white.
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Surely it will be the one in Llangernyw? It's in the centre of the village just down the lane from Hafodunos.
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It's been well over a year since I posted this original list of Local Eyesores, so let's review progress. Please mention any additions etc that you think are needed.
Llandudno
Pier Pavilion site Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg3886#msg3886) No Progress
Clarence Hotel Work is just starting to convert it into a Travelodge with two restaurants on the ground floor.
Tudno Castle Hotel Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg779#msg779) Premier Inn and Retail Units in pipeline
Railway Station No Progress
Penmorfa Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg642#msg642) No Progress
Derelict site, Parc Llandudno No Progress
Derelicts Flats, Deganwy Ave Renovation work underway
Augusta Holiday Flats, Augusta Street No Progress
Deganwy
Deganwy Castle Hotel Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg675#msg675)Plans in progress to convert to Boutique Hotel & Apartments
Conwy
Billingtons Garage Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg718#msg718) New owner. Awaiting demolition.
Black Lion Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2526#msg2526) No Progress
Fruit N Fibre Shop Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2605#msg2605) No Progress
Red Lion/'The Bombsite' Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2950#msg2950) No Progress
The Cockpit No Progress
Butterfly Jungle Site cleared. Work starting to build Birds Of Prey Centre.
Colwyn Bay
Colwyn Bay Pier Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg722#msg722) No Progress
Rhos Harbour Bistro Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg1186#msg1186) Plans announced but no money to move scheme forward.
A & A Cash & Carry, Abergele Road Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2780#msg2780) Available To Let but no renovation work carried out.
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In summary then, very little has actually been done.... only 'work commencing' on a few. &shake&
Don't forget, many other eyesores have been added since that original list.
My own house was on the eyesore list for 12 months... until The Great Brian Thomas took control of the situation! ZXZ
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Billingtons' Garage, Conwy
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
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Derelict site,Parc Llandudno .New plans have been past so we are waiting for a start.
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Billingtons' Garage, Conwy
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
Two men slapping some paint on the outside today!!
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Was;nt me
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No Wrex., they had a small 'orangey' coloured van with writing on it but as I was driving past I couldn't focus on the detail.
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Workmen and a portaloo inside the Clarence today. Window knocked out in Arvon Ave.
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Workmen and a portaloo inside the Clarence today. Window knocked out in Arvon Ave.
They are starting the 'soft strip' of the interior, with more substantial demolition work starting in another couple of weeks.
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Billingtons' Garage, Conwy
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
Mr Flannigan is having the front and back of Billingtons tidied up and painted, fair play to him. $good$ He would like to renovate the existing buildings but says the decision on whether that would be allowed is out of his hands.
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The Elms Hotel sold at auction yesterday for £250,000.
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I spoke with Deganwy Castle Hotel Planning Consultant's yesterday. The application will be heard by the Planning Committee on Wednesday 14th March.
Planning Officers, I understand, are Recommending Approval.
I have requested to speak at the meeting as the Local Member and will be supporting the application.
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Billingtons' Garage, Conwy
Two men with a digger clearing and tidying up the frontage at present.
Don't think the digger is big enough to demolish the building, although parts of it look as if a good gust of wind would!!
Mr Flannigan is having the front and back of Billingtons tidied up and painted, fair play to him. $good$ He would like to renovate the existing buildings but says the decision on whether that would be allowed is out of his hands.
I work opposite the site and admit the frontage does look better now it has been part painted. You just have to walk past though and the back of the building looks in a very bad and dangerous state
I do believe Colin Flannigan has good intentions, but the problem being we could be back to square one.
The delay in getting a demolition order in the first place was delayed because the then owners were following the Planning and Appeal processes. While all this is happening the legal team could not apply for an demolition order as a judge would have said attempts are being made to progress the site.
If Colin's Planning Application is not approved then, we could start all this process again, and be 12 months away from anything physically happening.
In my opinion the current buildings have no architectural or visual merit. Finding an acceptable design in this location, will be extremely difficult. But while we have it and it has taken so long to get, I think the demolition order has to be adherred to.
I know this isn't ideal for Mr Flannigan, but he must have been aware the order existed when he purchased the site. I have asked the questions of the relevant cabinet member and will wait to see what happens.
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The Elms Hotel sold at auction yesterday for £250,000.
The lady from The Queen Victoria says she is the new owner and doesn't think it will be ready to open this season.
I wish her well.
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So do I-- walked past the other day and it looks to need plenty doing to it.
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Work at the Clarence Hotel. The renovation programme will take a year to finish. The contractors are already starting to fall slightly behind schedule because CCBC have still not passed them the completed Section 106 Agreement. Why are major investors in this town treated so poorly by CCBC's Planning Dept?
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Progress at the Clarence Hotel. Note the gruff Yorkshireman staring in though the front window. :laugh:
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Did you say gruff? I wouldn't mess with him if I were you...you currently have your hands full arguing with Ian regarding photography.
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..you currently have your hands full arguing with Ian regarding photography.
I wouldn't go that far, mate!! :laugh: :laugh:
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Calm down boys
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The builders plan at the Clarence seems to be...gut the building and chuck everything out into the rear yard, where it is then skipped away.
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It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!
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It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!
Yes, it's in such a poor state that it will basically need to be stripped back to the walls and rebuilt. There will be two new extensions at the rear. The cost of the work is approximately £3m.
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I do not know how many rooms the new Premier Inn will have, DaveR, but it may not take long to recoup their £3m outlay.
Projected Turnover
100 x £59 = £5,900 per night
£5,900 x 7 = £41,300 per week
£41,300 x 52 = £2,147,600 per annum
Providing they can persuade customers not to pop over to Wetherspoons then they will also do alright with food and drink for over 200 customers a day.
What do think about those figures, DaveR?
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If you are basing that on 100% occupancy then it is uinachievable. Also they have special seasonal promotions and also early booking promotions which would reduce turnover. Then there are the overheads . . . . . . . . !!!! :D
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Just to add to my last post - if they could achieve those sort of figures I would only have shares in the one company! D)
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Yorkie, that is a very large building over several floors.
For all you and I know the owners may have planning permission for 200 bedrooms which would mean my figures assume only a 50% occupancy.
If that were true that turnover figure of £2m pa for bedrooms alone could be even higher.
Perhaps, it will be helpful if somebody knew how many bedrooms will be built before we get carried away. ;)
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Think I remember 80 rooms being mentioned way back.
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The Travelodge will have 83 bedrooms. The old Clarence Hotel had 77 bedrooms.
Before we get too carried away with calculations, remember that Travelodge are not funding the building work, the developers (Hawkwell Properties Ltd) are. They're paying the £3m and then leasing the building to Travelodge for approximately £200-250,000 a year.
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Do I also remember that the ceiling height on the top floor will have to be raised as the rooms up there are too low? And that someone objected as it would spoil the view from the top of the Orme? :o
Latterly the top floor has been well occupied-- with pigeons !
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Latterly the top floor has been well occupied-- with pigeons !
I hope they've found a nice new home :)
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Latterly the top floor has been well occupied-- with pigeons !
I hope they've found a nice new home :)
The Local Seagull Master has been redirecting them to your old house, but I'm sure they will find their way to Rhos!!! _))*
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It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!
Yes, it's in such a poor state that it will basically need to be stripped back to the walls and rebuilt. There will be two new extensions at the rear. The cost of the work is approximately £3m.
When Mostyn Estates gutted their building in St. Georges Place (EX Bartons) and rebuilt the inside their estimated loss was in excess of £3.5 million. It was so expensive and over budget I was told they will never undertake a project like it again. Travelodge which is already in the hands of the receivers take note.
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It looks to be in a dreadful state Dave. I wouldnt like to guess how much its gonna cost to put it right !!!!
Yes, it's in such a poor state that it will basically need to be stripped back to the walls and rebuilt. There will be two new extensions at the rear. The cost of the work is approximately £3m.
When Mostyn Estates gutted their building in St. Georges Place (EX Bartons) and rebuilt the inside their estimated loss was in excess of £3.5 million. It was so expensive and over budget I was told they will never undertake a project like it again.
..apart from when they completely renovated the William Glover building on Mostyn St/Vaughan st? ;) Mostyn Estates take a long term view of these things..and that is the correct approach to take.
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Looks like the person who has bought the site is no better than the previous owners Muller Property Holdings, he seems to be issuing threats that if he does not get his own way he will let it to a haulage operation. The will of the courts should be upheld and the building demolished, end of.
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CCBC's Cabinet voted today to adopt a new strategy towards dilapidated buildings in the County. Will the first recipients of this new policy be the Pier Pavilion site and the Tudno Castle Hotel?
General Policy and Procedures for the Use of Powers under Part III Law
of Property Act 1925 and Local Land Charges Act 1975
1. Introduction
1.1 The above measures give powers to a Local Authority to ‘sell on’
property or land to a new owner of there is an unwillingness or inability
to resolve problems caused by the property and its condition.
1.2 The powers conferred by Section 103 of the Law of Property Act 1925
can be used to recover debts owed to the Council. The measure
allows a Council to require the sale of a property on the open market.
The Act can be utilised in relation to empty properties, land,
commercial properties and occupied dwellinghouses.
1.3 The method of sale must ensure that the property is not sold at below a
reasonable market price and the sale is competitive in relation to an
identified valuation. A sale should therefore normally be supported by
independent valuations, including a valuation by the District Valuer.
The method of sale can be to a preferred purchaser or by auction as
long as the sale is completed at a value that corresponds or is above
the independent valuation.
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=2720 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=171&MId=2720)
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That looks like a very positive piece of legislation.
I assume it is a foundation stone towards a move on the Pier Pavilion site, if not why take the step now?
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DELAYS continue at a Llandudno hotel over the resolution of planning issues.
Work at the Clarence Hotel, which is set to be turned into a branch of Travelodge, continues to be halted.
Workmen for contractors RecoBuild have been absent from the site for three weeks and removed their signs and barriers as they await the resolution of a planning wrangle, which would allow them to demolish sections of the building for access.
A spokeswoman for Conwy County Borough Council said the council's legal department are awaiting a response from the solicitors of applicants Hawkwell Properties.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/112123/clarence-delay.aspx#.T48LTKQMm6I.twitter (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/112123/clarence-delay.aspx#.T48LTKQMm6I.twitter)
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There has got to be more to this than that statement.The builders have even come across problems or CCBC are just pulling the wool over our eyes.
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The builders have even come across problems or CCBC are just pulling the wool over our eyes.
Possibly a bit of both, Wrex. ;)
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There is also more to it than meets the eye. The rear security has been breached several times with youngsters seen coming down from the upper regions. The 'fencing' is nothing more than a glorified windbreak. Despite contacts with various people including police, council, security it is still unsecure. When some youngster is killed--------- need I say more?
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Nice piece on oscar about the CCBCballs up concerning the Clarence,lets hope all ends well.I must admit i;ve never know so little going on in the town to bitch about,come on Yorkie get out there and find us some gossip.
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Just waiting for the new Council to be elected then the first thing will be asking for their declarations of interest in the Register! After that - who knows??? WWW
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Whilst walking back from Conwy to Llandudno today, I decided to call in at the Deganwy Castle Hotel to grab a few photos before the renovation work starts:
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Work seems to have started 7 months early on the Plas y dre flats on Gloddaeth ave,shame there will be no early start on the Railway station.
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What are they going to do with it? I noticed a Portacabin there this week.
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42 Retirement flats:
http://www.mccarthyandstone.co.uk/property-for-sale/llandudno.html (http://www.mccarthyandstone.co.uk/property-for-sale/llandudno.html)
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With two of the eyesores being held up,the station and Clarence hotel i would plead with CCBC to concentrate on Llandudno,i appreciate the massive budget for our new Alice trail,especially the one outside the Neville hotel opposite one of the biggest eyesores in the town,but please try and sort out the 11 year cock up that has been the station transport hub,did we ever find out why they decided to axe the coaches useing platform 4 and 5?.I do understand that very few people on the forum have any interest in my little bugbears but this one has taken 11 years and still the people of Llandudno have a derelict station and we are left in the dark everytime it goes tits up,please county councillors have a little respect for your electrate and just explain,its not hard. :rage:
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It's interesting that people have said that work seems to be beginning at Plas y Dre. I haven't been there myself, but it seems a Portakabin and hoardings are up. If so, then they are starting a year ahead of schedule according to their own website.
I know that their development at Cwrt San Tudno was extremely popular and read an article a few years ago, where the CEO said it and somewhere else were its fastest selling ever. Perhaps the interest has been so great, that they want to get started sooner rather than later. Who knows...
At least if they do get started then it will show that some work is being done there and that we don't have two derelict buildings next door to each other as it seems we are stuck with The Clarence as it is for the foreseeable future. Such a shame.
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I do understand that very few people on the forum have any interest in my little bugbears but this one has taken 11 years and still the people of Llandudno have a derelict station and we are left in the dark everytime it goes tits up,please county councillors have a little respect for your electrate and just explain,its not hard. :rage:
Wrex, they are not trivial matters that you are raising or talking about they are important ones. They are important not only for the locals but also for the visitors that we rely on for much needed revenue. What impression will visitors get when they see the Pavilion site, Clarence Hotel, Castle Hotel, Penmorfs site etc etc?
As for the Railway Staion and the adjoining station yard, my comments would be unprintable! I walked through the station yard today to get my car from the MOT garage :'( :'( and both the yard and Station are a disgrace and as for the Car Wash place then Mostyn Estates should be slapped with a repair notice on it.
Any Councillors that have these eyesores in their ward have nothing to be proud of and should inform their constituents of what is going on and also what they are trying to do to rectify the matter. They are public servants and accountable to the public.
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Hugo i think you will find that Mostyn estates only own the fence at the front and 8 feet behind it,the car wash boys belong to Mr Done from Manchester.
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Wrex, that's very interesting because when I was a teenager and went to John Bright School I used to pass there every day.
If my memory serves me correct there was a low metal fence and a patch of grass behind the wire fence that would have been about 8-12 foot deep and then there was a large advertising board. Behind the board was the old Station yard.
If your information is correct then Mostyn Estates has an unhealthy interest in the development of the Railway Station and surrounding area and I wouldn't trust them one bit. They usually have an ulterior motive when suggesting any development for the town.
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This is true Hugo but most of us will be glad to see Mostyn estates back in charge of the Tudno Castle,they have done a fair bit of clearing and securing already,i just hope they have a plan already and relieve us of this eyesore.
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I wonder if Mostyn Estates exercised this right.
If so, it has been a long time coming.
Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?
Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
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I wonder if Mostyn Estates exercised this right.
If so, it has been a long time coming.
Why don’t Mostyn Estates come down heavy on the owner for ‘failure to maintain’?
Do Mostyn Estates own the Freeehold?
Why has the CCBC never come down heavy on Mostyn Estates? It puzzles me why CCBC pamper to them all the time.
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I decided to give a hand and sent a post into social bookmarks. I hope the popularity will rise in.
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I wonder if Mostyn Estates exercised this right.
If so, it has been a long time coming.
Mostyn Estates have repossessed the Tudno Castle Hotel as the Leaseholder was in breach of the 1926 Lease. Looks like Ashley Moore has just lost a shedload of money. Having said that, he's had plenty of opportunities to sell it on and was seemingly happy to let the building decay to a state of complete dereliction, so maybe we won't be feeling too sorry for him. :roll:
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Have Mostyn Estates shot themselves in the foot here,with them now responsible for the eyesore all eyes will be on them to sort it out.
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They've got their hands on a building potentially worth a couple of million as a development site. The plan always was to demolish the building and retain the facade.
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What i meant was that if they don;t do or get someone interested they will have us on their backs saying how long our Mostyn Estates going to leave that eyesore on the corner.
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That should be an incentive for them to sort it out! $good$
I see that the corner facing their offices has been neatly boarded up:
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I reckon Mostyn Estates, overall, are a force for good in Llandudno.
Also, I reckon that the close proximity of the Tudno Castle to Mostyn Estates offices will keep the property and its development high up the list of priorities to get done.
I would be optimistic of seeing something established on that site which could be quite special and prominent.
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I think Mostyn Estates are definitely a force for good in Llandudno. Look at all the buildings they have restored over the last few years, and to a very high quality as well.
If you think, one of the only areas of central Llandudno that was never under Mostyn control is Clifton Road, and just look at that compared to the other streets nearby. It's quite run-down and lots of the buildings have been badly modernised and there are (often multiple) satellite dishes on almost every building, that detract from the street scene.
I reckon Llandudno would be a very great deal more like Rhyl if it weren't for Mostyn Estates.
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Good point, Ian. That's also the reason that Clifton Road is narrower than the surrounding Mostyn freehold streets.
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I agree. They are obviously acting in their own financial interests, but then, don't we all. They do make an effort to carry out renovation work on their properties to a high standard that enhances Llandudno. The refurb/new shopfront at Diskos is a good example.
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I think they do a good job and they will have their critics but thats life,i just wish they would be a bit more verbal on issues around town.
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A Planning Application has been submitted for the derelict Gwrych Castle in Abergele. Plans and artists impressions of the development can be seen here:
http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle-development-proposals/ (http://castelldevelopments.com/gwrych-castle-development-proposals/)
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That was interesting. Thanks DaveR.
I always thought this would make a great location for a theme park. A ride like Hex at Alton Towers would really suit the spooky castle look.
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The Augusta Apartments in Augusta St, Llandudno. Abandoned since the owner was made bankrupt, this large building is deteriorating rapidly.
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I was walking down Arvon Ave today and, either my eyes are playing up, or is the facade of the Clarence Hotel buckling further out?
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Looks like the whole lot forward of the big crack is about to come off.
All this rain won't be helping either!
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The building had serious subsidence problems a few years ago and I can hardly think they have got better over time! Next thing we will see is a load of supporting scaffolding, keep away and danger signs, and we will finish with yet another major blot on the landscape :rage:
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Call me a sceptic, but I have a feeling that another 'Penmorfa' situation is on the cards.
The crack in the pic has been there for a very long time, but as Dave says it is bulging in a very ominous manner. There is a very evil smell at that corner as well, hope something isn't about to erupt :o
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I think that could be DaveR;s insides after all his burgers
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I think that could be DaveR;s insides after all his burgers
Cheeky! All the walking I do keeps me fit. ZXZ
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What is the latest on the Clarence, i fully expect the station to start in September then work stopping for one reason or another,this town seems to love cock ups.I wonder how Mostyn Estates are getting on with marketing the Tudno Castle as for CCBC and the Pier Pavillion its buisness as usual.I have got to add the town beach to the list now,the green rocks are awesome.
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I prophesied at the end of 2011 that the eyesore list would be exactly the same at the end of 2012, with perhaps a few additions.
But then I was forced to re-think, as the news about The Clarence, The Tudno Castle, and our noble Mayor's promise to sort out the Pier Pavilion were trumpeted.
But, I fear I was right all along.... and another year of let downs and disappointments will leave us worse than we were.
I also feel that The Grand Hotel is looking dilapidated, tired and unkempt.
It should be added to the eyesores list.
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I agree that The Grand is now not so grand. All the hotels on & around the prom put it to shame. At the back of the hotel (pier side which is seen by all the tourists) it looks very neglected & in the top of all the drainage pipes by the balconies, there are mini gardens.
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Iam adding all the grassed areas of Llandudno to the list,never ever have i seen Llandudno look so unkept.No money to cut the grass,what about the profits from the big Eiras concerts.
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Perhaps private contractors should be employed to cut the grass?
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It is not the workforce at fault it is either the management or CCBC have slashed their budget leaving the whole of Conwy a mess.
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We could talk about the gardeners in a certain Llandudno park who always finish work early and spend their last half hour reading the paper in their van?
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Or even others who hide round Marine Drive on the Orme, or Old Mill Road, Dwygyfylchi or any of a hundred other places. They need Trackers in their vehicles and no doubt the cost would be repaid in very little time. No supervision, that's the problem. Sack the Managers. :rage:
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unfortunately the tracker only tells you were the vans parked not what the workers are doing, they may be in the right place but still reading the paper not digging up the weeds
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Maybe the thing to do, is for us honest and concerned Ratepayers to report any incident we see and then wait for the manager to get out his white wash brush, unless there is a decent sized carpet nearby that hasn't already been filled underneath! ZXZ
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As DaveR has reported on another thread, work has started this morning to demolish BILLINGTONS' GARAGE in Conwy.
Currently parts of the structure at either end have been reduced to rubble so it is hoped the whole thing eventually goes by the end of the day.
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Work is well underway converting the Deganwy Castle Hotel into the imaginatively named 'The Moorings' apartments.
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As DaveR has reported on another thread, work has started this morning to demolish BILLINGTONS' GARAGE in Conwy.
Currently parts of the structure at either end have been reduced to rubble so it is hoped the whole thing eventually goes by the end of the day.
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If i have;nt already can i add the town beach to our list,this one could have been sorted by CCBC easily but they choose to leave the weeds growing on the steps the sand covered in stones which could easily have been cleared by hand,useless.
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I don;t know if this is good or not,Parc Llandudno are at last getting rid of the hoardings,they have applied for temporar,y landscaping,which means they can find anybody interested in Llandudno
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A new one for your list Dave, the (lack of) Public convenience at the junction of North Parade and Happy Valley Road (a listed building by all accounts) perhaps it's time for a mass protest like http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Bog_standard_beach_protest (http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Bog_standard_beach_protest) the one just held in Adelaide Australia. Seems mighty strange the Council can keep open the Loo’s on the Zig Zag road on the Orme that are used by a few people a day but can’t or won’t meet the needs of a few thousand visitors per day on the North Shore.
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perhaps it's time for a mass protest like http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Bog_standard_beach_protest (http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Bog_standard_beach_protest) the one just held in Adelaide Australia.
I'm ready when you are - anyone else want to join us? ;)
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That is a coincidence.
Earlier on, I noticed a sign on the promenade at the top of the wooden jetty stating ‘Toilets’ and pointing in that direction.
I guess it ought to have been removed a long time ago so not to confuse visitors. :-}}}
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Are there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
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Ive often thought that
Are there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
Ive often thought that something similar to this.
Why dont councils shut down all their public loos, which will save them loads of money/hassle & get some local hotels/public houses/cafes etc. to open their loos up to the public in return for a reduction in their rates.
The local councils should have already come to some agreement like this with public houses. Most are struggling to make a profit & people popping in to use their loos may even stop for a drink which will boost their profits. - - After all - they are "PUBLIC" houses.
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Are there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
Alot of the people on that list no longer seem to display signs. According to the list which I have in front of me there are 30 places which offer their facilities, 13 of which are actually in Llandudno, one of which is M&S. They had public toilets long before this scheme was thought of. If they are gaining this handout it is time that they were better ventilated and maintained. Same goes for The Victoria Centre.
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Ive often thought thatAre there no hotels on North Parade, or on Happy Valley Road that take the CCBC money each year (£500 or £600) ... but don't make it obvious that tourists/visitors are allowed in to use those facilities??? ?{}?
Ive often thought that something similar to this.
Why dont councils shut down all their public loos, which will save them loads of money/hassle & get some local hotels/public houses/cafes etc. to open their loos up to the public in return for a reduction in their rates.
Just a quick clarification Fester, if a Hotel takes the £500 to £600 p.a. they are obliged to display signs indicating they have public facilities available to the general public, just like the ones on display at the entrance to the amusement arcade on the Pier. If other Hoteliers on North Parade have looked into it, the way we did, the £500 to £600 p.a. wouldn’t begin to cover the cost of the extra Insurance cover we would have to take out, remember we are Private Hotels not Public ones, plus the extra cost involved i.e. water consumption, toilet paper, loo cleaner, extra staff to supervise non hotel guests etc…etc…
It’s our Council, who have the obligation to provide local services to meet the needs of our community. If you think I’m wrong take a trip down to Ceredigion and see what facilities are provided all over the county, to meet their obligations. Their fully functioning, FREE facilities are a credit to them.
Just because our utterly incompetent lot, have wasted a fortune on upgrading the Loo’s at Bog Island and George Street doesn’t negate their obligation to provide proper facilities for use on the North Shore.
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Thanks for that Blongb, at last someone agrees with us.
Also for the people who don't agree with you and I-- our businesses are also our homes, how would they fancy hoards of total strangers wandering in and out pocketing everything that's not nailed down. At least Private Hotels have some say on who they allow to visit their homes. Can you imagine the reaction of the public if met at the door by someone saying" Sorry you aren't coming in here-- I don't like the look of you or Go Away you're sloshed". You can't make the excuse that you haven't got the accommodation they are looking for in that instance.
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Well said Nemesis, well said $thanx$
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And I also agree 100 per cent! Money is wasted on all sorts of silly things and then no money left for basic essentials like public toilets! I wouldn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry in my house either!
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$good$ $good$ ;D
We shall guard the privacy of our toilets ! ;D
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And I also agree 100 per cent! Money is wasted on all sorts of silly things and then no money left for basic essentials like public toilets! I wouldn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry in my house either!
I see the 'pocket watch' is nearly finished on the prom.
Hope they have a good service contract on that!
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I wonder where the hands will disappear to?
My money is on someone young, local, male and inebriated who will have them on display in his bedroom.
Time will tell, geddit.
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It would certainly be silly to expect all hotels/guest houses to allow strangers inside to use the toilets.
The closure of the Happy Valley Road Toilets has always seemed odd to me. Why cannot they be reopened with a 20p charge, which is going to be the standard charge across Conwy County as facilities are upgraded.
The Public Toilets in Rhyl are all far better than Llandudno's - all are clean and are manned, with a 20p charge.
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It would certainly be silly to expect all hotels/guest houses to allow strangers inside to use the toilets.
I agree. They could be given the option though.
Public houses on the other hand, should open up their toilets to the public, & receive in return a cut in their rates.
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The closure of the Happy Valley Road Toilets has always seemed odd to me.
Incredibly short-sighted.
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I see the 'pocket watch' is nearly finished on the prom.
Hope they have a good service contract on that!
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I see the turf has arrived this morning
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It amazes me how long the whole thing has taken to install. But then again it follows the Alice theme of being Late! :D
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Given the state of the North Shore at the moment and the fact that it’s advertising itself to our unsuspecting visitors, as an award winning Beach, despite losing its Blue Flag status, I thought I’d take a look at what exactly was ment by European Blue Flag and Seaside Award (resort): that the Council claim we have this year.
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/379/North_shore_BLUE_FLAG.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/379/North_shore_BLUE_FLAG.pdf)
It appears CCBC are advertising the North Shore is still a Blue Flag designated area and low and behold, we have W.C. facilities on North Parade / Happy Valley Road. No mention of the W.C.’s at Venue Cymru though and to finish, I’ll leave it up to you to decide if you think the area designated for Bathing Only is fit for purpose.
$walesflag$ &shake& $angry$
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They also advertise pony rides on the beach----Are there any? or are they donkeys in disguise?
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The hands are on the clock.
I asked the man at the toll gate if the summit parking was free if you had the £15 pass and he said YES.
He wanted to know why everyone was asking the same question so I told him, " it is the power of the internet "
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The hands are on the clock.
I asked the man at the toll gate if the summit parking was free if you had the £15 pass and he said YES.
He wanted to know why everyone was asking the same question so I told him, " it is the power of the internet "
:laugh: A LOT of local people read the Forum. :laugh:
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Iknow Mostyn estates have said they think the Clarence will still go ahead,but does anyone know what is going on.
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Iknow Mostyn estates have said they think the Clarence will still go ahead,but does anyone know what is going on.
Heard on the news today that the proposed tenant, Travelodge, were trying to make a deal with their landlords to reduce their rent liabilities. Not looking good.
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Iknow Mostyn estates have said they think the Clarence will still go ahead,but does anyone know what is going on.
Heard on the news today that the proposed tenant, Travelodge, were trying to make a deal with their landlords to reduce their rent liabilities. Not looking good.
Is there a link to that article, Gaylord?
I can't type your name without laughing out loud by the way... L0L L0L
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It would have taken you less time to Google the answer than ask the question... &shake&
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a70e6fe-f6b5-11e1-827f-00144feabdc0.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a70e6fe-f6b5-11e1-827f-00144feabdc0.html)
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It would have taken you less time to Google the answer than ask the question... &shake&
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a70e6fe-f6b5-11e1-827f-00144feabdc0.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a70e6fe-f6b5-11e1-827f-00144feabdc0.html)
Have I done something to upset you Gaylord? Ooops sorry I meant Dave? Fruedian slip.... L0L L0L
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Perhaps you mean Freudian? &shake&
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As our eyesores get into complete dereliction state how about an update on any progress from the powers that be
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As our eyesores get into complete dereliction state how about an update on any progress from the powers that be
Today's Bulletin from the Horses Mouth - "NO CHANGE" WWW
To save bandwidth please repeat every day for at least 5 years! _))*
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It is a big deal this, because I for one, had high hopes of several improvements during 2012, but nothing at all has transpired apart from a floral clock....(which is no longer floral, is often broken, and can't be seen)
The Mayor emphatically PROMISED that the Pier Pavilion site would have been greatly progressed, but nothing at all has happened.
As Dave well knows, I was going to re-locate and expand my business next month, into Mostyn St.
However, this was based on the fact that The Clarence would be renovated, that other businesses would open on Hooson's Corner, and several other improvements would be made.
Sadly, none of those improvements have even begun, and to make matters worse, we now see the closure of The Little Deli, Gimberts, MerryMoon and others, on top of the existing empty premises.
The London Pub is also for sake at a knock-down.
Not surprisingly I have decided that the environment is not conducive to investing in that area. &shake&
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The London Pub is also for sake at a knock-down.
I didn't know they'd turned it into a Japanese bar...? :laugh: :laugh:
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Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!
It should have said, The London is for sale at a knock-down price.
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The Kings Head's a better buy at £1.2M. Z**
If you take a look at any of the commercial web sites almost everything in the town is up for sale.
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Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!
Get a Mac.
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Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!
Get a Mac.
Why? Is it raining? :P
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Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!
Get a Mac.
Why? Is it raining? :P
You're wasted selling snake oil....
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I was sneaking around at the back of the Deganwy Castle Hotel the other day and noticed that the original farmhouse that stood on the site had appeared amongst all the building work:
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Sorry Dave, my keyboard has been playing up.... I need a new PC!
Get a Mac.
Why? Is it raining? :P
You're wasted selling snake oil....
Thanks Dave, Do you like my new advertising campaign?
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The Kings Head's a better buy at £1.2M. Z**
If you take a look at any of the commercial web sites almost everything in the town is up for sale.
We're not !! ;D
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Deganwy Castle Hotel, is progressing nicely. $good$
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Does anyone know what's happening at the Washington? The way it's going it'll end up here in the eyesores
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Restaurant owner from Caernarfon bought it ,he plans to open it as a chinese,but as we have seen in this town,nothing goes to plan very fast,i dare sare sticking their oar in again.
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Looking round as I walked the dog this morning-- what has happened to the Bay Tree? Don't think that it has opened this season and it is looking very shabby.
Also the part of the Ambassador, at the side, in St Georges Place has huge cracks in it's upper floors.
The Grand Ash has been scaffolded for safety reasons, but the future doesn't sound good there.
More eyesores to come, or shall we hear good news?
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Baytree is closed and up for sale.
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Now that i have admited defeat on the xmas lights and the station development is underway i supose we must start asking Pier Pavillion again,even the Clarence,Augusta holiday flats ,the Tudno Castle,Broadway Boulavard,the Washington etc etc etc etc
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Yes, Yes!!! The Pier Pavilion.... and to some degree the Pier itself.
But, having tackled the Pavilion issue personally in the past (with various CCBC luminaries) I have to conclude that if the Xmas lights is difficult, then the Pavilion site is nigh on impossible to progress.
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Well one good thing is CCBC have nothing to do with the xmas lights,unfortunatley it is only the town council who dezign our spectacular display.
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Pleasing to see that the plans for Gwrych Castle are up before the Planning Committee next week and are recommended for Approval:
"76 bed hotel, with restaurant and bar facilities (for use by guests and non-residents), conference/wedding reception facility to accommodate 150 guests, spa accommodating 25 people, gym accommodating 25 people, small visitor centre and car
parking for 240 spaces."
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7245/7273874242_e44e00d38c_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/7273874242/)
Gwrych Castle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/7273874242/#) by [davidrobertsphotography] (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Full Planning Report on Plans for Gwrych Castle:
http://goo.gl/TY9Cu (http://goo.gl/TY9Cu)
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Regarding the Tudno Castle Hotel, Judith Phillips says that the owner successfully contested the lease forfeiture attempt by Mostyn Estates and now has control of the building again. It's looking in a shocking state now, several large areas of render are ready to fall in any gale or storm, in my view.
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Then they should be forced to do the building up or get rid.
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tudno castle i rember reading in one of your local papers on the web that the owner.a local counciller thought it should be pulled down please correct me if wrong. thanks for a great forum
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This is more than an eyesore, it absolutely smacks you in the eye if you approach it from the west shore in Llandudno.
I refer to the color of the tempory (thank God) fencing around the building site at the end of Abbey Road, more or less opposite the hospice.
I cannot describe it, its unbelievable. Its a lenghty stretch and it is painted in an undescribable color, a mixture of pink and purple. Who the hell found this paint, or is it a laugh? Mike
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Probably someone's left overs! Is that still in the conservation area, as the boundary is a little strange in that area?
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I cannot describe it, its unbelievable. Its a lenghty stretch and it is painted in an undescribable color, a mixture of pink and purple. Who the hell found this paint, or is it a laugh? Mike
We saw that happening and found it difficult to believe our eyes. Dark Green or Brown would have been acceptable, but mauve / pink makes it ideal as a target for RAF bombing runs but little else.
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Maybe it helps to brighten up the view for the folk in St David's Hospice considering the Town and County Councils have done little to add any other form of cheer to the Town. :rage:
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Just happened to pass Moatyn estates car park yesterday ,next to Debenhams,read into this what you like,but there was a Travelodge veichle parked in there.
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Not a lot. I doubt top people from Travel lodge travel by van
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This is more than an eyesore, it absolutely smacks you in the eye if you approach it from the west shore in Llandudno.
I refer to the color of the tempory (thank God) fencing around the building site at the end of Abbey Road, more or less opposite the hospice.
I cannot describe it, its unbelievable. Its a lenghty stretch and it is painted in an undescribable color, a mixture of pink and purple. Who the hell found this paint, or is it a laugh? Mike
I went to see this today, wow! :o get your shades on to look at this! 8)
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1010026.jpg)
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1010027.jpg)
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Fantastic, we need to brighten up this dull lifeless town! $walesflag$
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Tudno Castle was on CCBC planning meeting today,but no information was given,it had restricted next to the application,lets hope its something positive,please.
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Sort of, I believe it's an Enforcement Notice to tidy up the building.
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Why the secrecy,so CCBC are forcing Mostyn estates to clean up the building,yet have left Mr Taylor to do nothing with the pier pavilion,classact.
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Why the secrecy,so CCBC are forcing Mostyn estates to clean up the building,yet have left Mr Taylor to do nothing with the pier pavilion,classact.
I believe the notice would being served on Ashley Moore, as he still retains the Long Leasehold on the Tudno Castle. Mostyn Estates were unsuccessful in attempting to forfeit the Lease earlier this year.
Being as the Pavilion site is just wasteland, CCBC can only serve Enforcement Notices to clear the site of undergrowth etc, they have done this a couple of times and forced the Owner to put up the green fencing along Happy Valley Road.
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How many years will it be in 2013 since the fire,i think CCBC are trying to get to their 25 year anniversary before bthey do owt
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Wrex, ...it will be NINETEEN desolate, pressing years... don't remind me.. bawling.gif bawling.gif bawling.gif bawling.gif bawling.gif
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I have seen people removing furniture from Augusta holiday apartments so i hope this means the properties have now been sorted and may see some action on the eyesore,there has been a wrangle over ownership and stuff, so its been in the hands of the legal teams,lets hope.
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Do Mostyn estates still rule over Tthe Tudno Castle or did i read somewere the old occupants had been able to get it back.?
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Do Mostyn estates still rule over Tthe Tudno Castle or did i read somewere the old occupants had been able to get it back.?
The owner of the Long Leasehold, Ashley Moore, has regained control of the site. I believe CCBC are currently taking enforcement action against him regarding the state of the property.
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I have seen people removing furniture from Augusta holiday apartments so i hope this means the properties have now been sorted and may see some action on the eyesore,there has been a wrangle over ownership and stuff, so its been in the hands of the legal teams,lets hope.
Looks terrible at the moment. &shake&
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Do Mostyn estates still rule over Tthe Tudno Castle or did i read somewere the old occupants had been able to get it back.?
The owner of the Long Leasehold, Ashley Moore, has regained control of the site. I believe CCBC are currently taking enforcement action against him regarding the state of the property.
616. TUDNO CASTLE HOTEL
The Principal Conservation Officer provided some background to the site
and required repairs to the hotel.
RESOLVED:-
(a) That an appropriate notice under section 54 of the
Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act
1990 or section 215 of the Town and Country Planning
Act 1990 is served in respect of the required repairs to
the Tudno Castle Hotel, Llandudno.
(b) That funds from the Historic Buildings Repairs Grant are
utilised to carry out the necessary repairs in default (if
required).
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Good to see something happening with the Tudno Castle.
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hi Dave yesterday i was looking at your pictures of hafodunos hall what a lovely building even in its deploreable arson state it has magic of its own.if the the chap thats bought it is going to use it as his own home I think its great.looking at your pictures there is going to be a lot of work for skilled craftsmen in the local area.perhaps dave you could keep us up to date with pictures of work in progress if your are allowed to but please dont get in to trouble on our behalf. just going to start some family history know.thank you once again romanjohn.
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Thank you, I don't know if you use Facebook but the Owners of Hafodunos have a page to document the progress:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hafodunos-Hall/177814395207?ref=ts&fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hafodunos-Hall/177814395207?ref=ts&fref=ts)
I hope to get back up there to take some more photos once they announce their next Open Day.
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any update on the clarence hotel. pictures of men at work if poss or am i being to hopefull.thanks romanjohn
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I know Parc Llandudno put plans infront of CCBC to do temporary landscaping where the hoardings are but of course nothing has happened,does anyone know what the outcome of this plan was?.
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Work seems to be going on at Augusta holiday apartments,they seem to be clearing all the furniture.
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Work seems to be going on at Augusta holiday apartments,they seem to be clearing all the furniture.
I suppose it will be better to have flats there than a derelict property, as long as they are managed properly.
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I noticed on the fortnightly list of planning decisions on Conwy's website posted today that the Clarence has received planning permission for regeneration and partial demolition of the building:
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/543/decswk4748.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/543/decswk4748.pdf)
Is this an old application, that has been superseded by the problems and cash flow issues of the prospective tenant? Or is this something new that heralds the start of progress on the building?
It would be great to be able to tick off another eyesore off this list, now that work has begun on the railway station...
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Work to convert the Clarence into a Travelodge is scheduled to start again in May.
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Well, thank God for that! At least it'll be a work in progress for the holiday season, so people visiting will see that something's being done with it and won't judge the surrounding area by it. Will be interesting to know what the restaurant and shop will be that are mentioned in the application. Something good I hope!
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Good news at last about the Clarence :D
http://www.costar.co.uk/en/assets/news/2013/April/Development-funding-agreed-for-Llandudno-Travelodge-1/ (http://www.costar.co.uk/en/assets/news/2013/April/Development-funding-agreed-for-Llandudno-Travelodge-1/)
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You heard it here first. ;) ;D
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I was interested to see that the lease is not owned by Mostyn; it appears to be a charity whose precise philanthropic aims are not easy to discern, although the annual report explains:
"During the year the Company continued its philanthropic activities in support of religious, educational and other Charitable Institutions"
A little more digging reveals "The benefits that these charities provide include: Provision of basic necessities and financial support to the poor; Relief of suffering in regard to illness and disabilities; Jewish education and places of worship for the Jewish community."
The current trustees are Mr E Kleinerman, Mr I D Lopian, Mr A Toporowitz, Mr H Toporowitz and Mr C Y Kaufman, and the auditors are Cohen Arnold, New Burlington House 1075 Finchley Road LONDON NW11 0PU. I've appended the annual report as a pdf.
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But these are tricky times for all hotel chains, not least Travelodge:
"In February 2012, DIC had to prepare a bailout package due to a significant debt of £478 million that was added to Travelodge's balance sheet following its purchase, and despite significant earnings since 2006, these could not cover the debt repayments and the company recorded a debt of £517m in 2011.[10] The company undertook a financial restructure during April 2012 with ownership passing to New York-based hedge funds Goldentree Asset Management and Avenue Capital Group, as well as Goldman Sachs.[11] On 17 August 2012 Travelodge UK confirmed[12] the financial restructuring would be through a company voluntary arrangement which would include;
- At least £75m of new money being injected into the Company
- £55m being invested into a major refurbishment programme across the estate covering over 11,000 rooms and 175 hotels. The refurbishment programme will commence in early 2013 and continue through to summer 2014
- Bank debt of £235m will be written off and £71m repaid, reducing total bank debt from £635m to £329m.
However, Travelodge also stated that it was no longer viable to operate 49 hotels (8% of the estate), for which the company would now seek new operators.
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One interesting fact, however, is that in 2011 "Travelodge announced a tie-up with British supermarket Waitrose to develop three joint sites in the UK." so might we hope for a Waitrose on the ground floor?
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I believe the eventual plan is to have two A3 units (Restaurant/Bar)and the Travelodge entrance on the ground floor. At present, permission has been granted for 1 x A3 and 1 x A1 (Retail). The retail unit would be far too small for a conventional Waitrose, their convenience store format 'Little Waitrose' might be a possibility.
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The little Waitrose in Chester is quite small but has a very good variety of stock. I think there's something similar in Shrewsbury.
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I believe the eventual plan is to have two A3 units (Restaurant/Bar)and the Travelodge entrance on the ground floor. At present, permission has been granted for 1 x A3 and 1 x A1 (Retail). The retail unit would be far too small for a conventional Waitrose, their convenience store format 'Little Waitrose' might be a possibility.
Frankie and Benny's for one of the units I heard, plus maybe a Costa Coffee.
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I believe the eventual plan is to have two A3 units (Restaurant/Bar)and the Travelodge entrance on the ground floor. At present, permission has been granted for 1 x A3 and 1 x A1 (Retail). The retail unit would be far too small for a conventional Waitrose, their convenience store format 'Little Waitrose' might be a possibility.
Frankie and Benny's for one of the units I heard, plus maybe a Costa Coffee.
Don't tell DaveR there's another coffee shop coming to town ;D
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I noticed today that the former Augusta apartments on Augusta St are in a terrible state, with broken windows and boarded up doors. What is happening to it?
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Bluff: the forum rules will not allow posting of any personal material unless the person concerned has already agreed to it or initiated it.
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Did buff get rebuffed? :P
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Did buff get rebuffed? :P
Rebuked perhaps?
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Any news on the Pier Pavilion,only joking,the station is taking shape,no news on the Clarence,i should imagine Mostyn Estates are pushing the Tudno Castle hard.
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Have i missed something,there was a lot off activity around Plas Gogarth,lots of cars and some windows unboarded. :roll:
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Well here we go again,we can now add the Grand theater to the list,maybe have its own thread because as we all know Broadway Boulavard is no more.
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Well here we go again,we can now add the Grand theater to the list,maybe have its own thread because as we all know Broadway Boulavard is no more.
I think we can now add it to the list sadly. The exterior/roof is not in a great condition and will require significant cash spending to restore it to a decent state.
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4051/4401990850_b2abe27ec4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4401990850/)
Grand Theatre Tour - Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4401990850/#) by [davidrobertsphotography] (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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A friend of the Forum tells me that work has started on the Clarence Hotel. Contractors are working inside.
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Not sure if this has been picked up and posted elsewhere, but it seems that the ownership of the Tudno Castle has definitely been sorted finally.
http://www.mostynestates.co.uk/news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-ownership-resolved/ (http://www.mostynestates.co.uk/news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-ownership-resolved/)
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Not sure if this has been picked up and posted elsewhere, but it seems that the ownership of the Tudno Castle has definitely been sorted finally.
http://www.mostynestates.co.uk/news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-ownership-resolved/ (http://www.mostynestates.co.uk/news/llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-ownership-resolved/)
Well spotted, Ian!
Mostyn Estates have recently acquired the Leasehold interest in the Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno. Together with their existing Freehold ownership, this provides the Estate with full control of the site.
The property was formerly a private hotel operating until approximately 2007, when it was the subject of a mixed use development proposal. It is clearly in a poor state of repair, though occupies a key position at the entrance to the town. Adjacent to it is Parc Llandudno, with outlets of Debenhams, Next, Boots, Monsoon and Laura Ashley.
The Company is currently considering options for the building and site and is hopeful of bringing forward a scheme in the not too distant future.
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That progress on The Tudno Castle is the most positive thing I have heard for a long while. :) :)
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Maybe it's time for an update to the original list of eyesores. Any suggestions for additions etc are most welcome:
Llandudno
Pier Pavilion site No Progress
Clarence Hotel Redevelopment Underway
Tudno Castle Hotel Acquired by Mostyn Estates for redevelopment
Railway Station Redevelopment Underway
Penmorfa No Progress
Derelict site, Parc Llandudno Redevelopment Underway
Augusta Holiday Flats, Augusta Street No Progress
Grand Theatre New Addition
Deganwy
Deganwy Castle Hotel Redevelopment Underway
Conwy
Billingtons Garage Demolished
Black Lion No Progress
Fruit N Fibre Shop No Progress
Red Lion/'The Bombsite' No Progress
The Cockpit No Progress
Butterfly Jungle Redevelopment Underway
Colwyn Bay
Colwyn Bay Pier Some Progress
Rhos Harbour Bistro No Progress
A & A Cash & Carry, Abergele Road No Progress
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One addition for Colwyn Bay eyesores, the Skip by the Sea! WWW
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Penmorfa application in the pioneer today,28 apartments.
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Colwyn Bay Pier?? 'Some Progress'??
Have I missed something? :( :(
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Colwyn Bay Pier?? 'Some Progress'??
Have I missed something? :( :(
Pier acquired by CCBC. £500,000 grant given to Shore Thing to progress full application for renovation.
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Penmorfa application in the pioneer today,28 apartments.
Its a renewal of the current Planning Permission. Anwyl are claiming the the development is now underway because they have laid a pipe on the site. :roll:
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Penmorfa application in the pioneer today,28 apartments.
Its a renewal of the current Planning Permission. Anwyl are claiming the the development is now underway because they have laid a pipe on the site. :roll:
Another underhand way of getting round clearing up the mess. :o
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Have they actually laid this pipe and does anyone know what the pipe is for?
Application No: 0/39941 Grid Reference: 277017,382193
Application Type: Certificate of Lawful Development Case Officer: Katy Roberts
Determination Level Delegated Team: Minor Applications Team
Received Date : 13/06/2013 Registered Date: 03/07/2013
Development Type(s): New Development
Ward: Gogarth
Community Council: Cyngor Tref Llandudno Town Council
Location: Land at Former (demolished) Penmorfa Hotel, Abbey Road, Llandudno, Conwy, LL30 2QY
Certificate of lawfulness for an existing use or operation or activity granted under code ref
0/34235 (Demolition of Penmorfa House and erection of 28 no. apartments) to confirm the
commencement of the development on the site by virtue of laying of underground pipe
Proposal
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Have they actually laid this pipe and does anyone know what the pipe is for?
I think it may be so that Anwyl can extract the urine, Hugo.... :-X :laugh:
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Yuk Yuk... Chortle... :laugh: :laugh:
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A security company has sealed up all the doors at Broadway Boulevard. However, the burglar alarm is sounding continuously so....?
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Shame about the Rhos Harbour Bistro site. It has such potential as a location... with a bit of imagination and vision. But I understand that the council own the freehold, so perhaps we might get some brand new conference rooms built on the site? ;)
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Cynic _))*
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A security company has sealed up all the doors at Broadway Boulevard. However, the burglar alarm is sounding continuously so....?
The lights were lit on Friday night
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A security company has sealed up all the doors at Broadway Boulevard. However, the burglar alarm is sounding continuously so....?
The lights were lit on Friday night
The lights inside and the neon sign have been left switched on since it closed. Running up a nice electricity bill for someone! I understand that all the fittings of value have been removed, which will make it twice as hard for someone else to come in and reopen it as a nightclub.
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Shame about the Rhos Harbour Bistro site. It has such potential as a location... with a bit of imagination and vision. But I understand that the council own the freehold, so perhaps we might get some brand new conference rooms built on the site? ;)
When we contacted CCBC about the Bistro site (about two years ago), we were told that there had been over 20 expressions of interest in reopening the cafe. Yet, it's still sitting there derelict? :roll:
It's quite simple, either CCBC should let the site to someone who will refurbish and reopen it or they should sell the site.It's not acceptable that such a prominent site is left in its present condition.
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Shame about the Rhos Harbour Bistro site. It has such potential as a location... with a bit of imagination and vision. But I understand that the council own the freehold, so perhaps we might get some brand new conference rooms built on the site? ;)
When we contacted CCBC about the Bistro site (about two years ago), we were told that there had been over 20 expressions of interest in reopening the cafe. Yet, it's still sitting there derelict? :roll:
It's quite simple, either CCBC should let the site to someone who will refurbish and reopen it or they should sell the site.It's not acceptable that such a prominent site is left in its present condition.
Dave, if you recall, when we met with CCBC management about Rhos Point over 2 years ago, we were promised a written transcript of the minutes...(which never arrived), plus a promise that we would be contacted about our plans, (which never happened), and we were regaled with the latest imminent plans to renovate Colwyn Bay Pier, (which is a tragic joke).
What does all this tell us about the professionalism , or lack of it at CCBC?
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Can i add the town beach,it was looking green tonite,iknow we have lost all our green grass but leaving all that green seaweed on the beach is a bit much,i know that CCBC have put all their resources into Colwyn and Rhos beaches but this is beyond a joke now.
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It will turn brown, and disappear within days.
It is only green because we have reached a new 'low tide' at this time of year, and it has exposed fresh seaweed and algae.
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Can i add the town beach,it was looking green tonite,iknow we have lost all our green grass but leaving all that green seaweed on the beach is a bit much,i know that CCBC have put all their resources into Colwyn and Rhos beaches but this is beyond a joke now.
I arranged for a special taskforce to clean the beach this morning:
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Im shocked,speechless,gobsmacked,well done whoever.
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I was having a little bit of a nose around the Grand Theatre/Broadway Boulevard yesterday and noticed this section of back wall that is held together with staples!
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:o
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That's not just an eyesore, it's a definite safety hazard.
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They are not staples.
They are pieces of material sometimes glass, which have been glued across the cracks to show if there is any more movement in the brickwork.
Staples, mmmpf.
>?>??
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I'm surprised they have even bothered to put movement indicators on the building as the extent of movement seems fairly obvious. A bit of decent shoring would appear to be the order of the day!
Z@@
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A bit difficult to tell from the photos but they appear to be what is known as 'tell-tales', there for the purpose of monitoring the extent and direction of any movement.
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A bit difficult to tell from the photos but they appear to be what is known as 'tell-tales', there for the purpose of monitoring the extent and direction of any movement.
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A bit difficult to tell from the photos but they appear to be what is known as 'tell-tales', there for the purpose of monitoring the extent and direction of any movement.
Dave's second photo shows a tell tale sign that you're correct.
Well done to Tosh also. $good$
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Most of the early Victorian buildings in Llandudno were put up without what we would call today adequate footings / foundations and the buildings themselves in most cases were totally jerry built, so it’s no surprise when they deteriorate so very quickly especially if left unoccupied and unmaintained.
The water damage from our past wet summers, coupled with the snow ice and frost damage from our past cold winter and now the drying out of the subsoil from this prolonged spell of hot weather spell disaster for all uncared for properties in the town. There is a multitude of sins lurking behind a facade of pebbledash and rendering. It’s only a question of time before all is revealed.
What's really sad is the Council concerning itself with double glazed windows, instead of caring for the fabric of the buildings put in their trust.
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Whoever this Jerry is, who built Llandudno, he must have been a hell of a busy chap.
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Who are Probuild "restoring Llandudno brick by brick and slate by slate". Is it Mostyn Estates?
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Who are Probuild "restoring Llandudno brick by brick and slate by slate". Is it Mostyn Estates?
Reputed to be the largest supplier of Building Materials in the UK. :D
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Probuild are local builders based, I think, in a yard off Jubilee Street.
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Do you know something? You are right! I was lounging in Australia! :D
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I tried to google James ltd ,the name on the new barriers erected in front of Augusta holiday flats but nothing came up.
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A few skips have appeared outside the Augusta Apartments, looking like they're stripping out the old flats:
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Regarding the Augusta Holiday Flats, I am not sure if this has been posted before:
http://www.wardpropertyinvestments.co.uk/augusta-apartments-llandudno/#pkg_1 (http://www.wardpropertyinvestments.co.uk/augusta-apartments-llandudno/#pkg_1)
It's a link to the development that is hopefully taking place, looks like it's aimed at the investment and holiday rental market.
As it refers to the works in the past tense (somewhat erroneously), I guess we can infer that they aim to get this going straight away. So hopefully the stripping and fencing is a sign of work to be completed soonish.
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Nice find, Ian. $good$
They are permanent (AST) lets, rather than holiday flats. One of these schemes where the Developer 'generously' allows investors a slice of the pie. ;)
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Ah ok. I confess, I am not too sure of the difference. I googled AST and it seemed to suggest they were holiday lets, but maybe you can explain. Still, the advert looks nice and it seems to be a quality development, so fingers crossed!!
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Mostyn estates are erecting a new sign in the car park at Tudno Castle hotel,i wonder what will be going on it.
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Ah ok. I confess, I am not too sure of the difference. I googled AST and it seemed to suggest they were holiday lets, but maybe you can explain. Still, the advert looks nice and it seems to be a quality development, so fingers crossed!!
AST = Assured Shorthold Tenancy - the standard way to rent out a flat on a permanent basis, usually a 6 month rolling Let.
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Some more info about the plans for the Tudno Castle |Hotel:
Mostyn Estates, who recently acquired Llandudno’s Tudno Castle Hotel are hoping to launch plans to help restore this hotel to its former glory, retaining the Grade II listed façade that sits in the centre of Llandudno’s amenities, high street and shopping district.
The building has fallen into a terrible state through neglect and being abandoned, and even experienced an arson attack one year ago. Edward Hillier, Managing Director of Mostyn Estates said:
“We are at a reasonably advanced stage of design for a mixed use commercial scheme at the hotel.
“This is likely to incorporate retention of the principal frontages, and rebuilding behind these.
“We are likely to submit an application for planning consent on this revised scheme in the autumn, and are optimistic of seeing some action on site in early 2014.”
http://www.visitllandudno.com/blogvisit/ (http://www.visitllandudno.com/blogvisit/)
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Mostyn’s have learnt their lesson having previously refurbished the Embassy Building in St Georges Place, to its original state and lost in the region of £3M in the process. It makes far more financial sense to keep the façade and put a modern building up behind it.
If this well thought-up plan goes ahead, it will be very interesting to see if they are permitted by our wonderful conservation enforcement police, to install double glazed windows in it.
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It is a very welcome piece of news that Tudno Castle is to be renovated, as early as 2014. Can't wait!
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If this well thought-up plan goes ahead, it will be very interesting to see if they are permitted by our wonderful conservation enforcement police, to install double glazed windows in it.
I don't think anyone objects to double glazed windows, merely cheap plastic ones. If people buy Victorian buildings, they should be prepared to make the effort to maintain them to a suitable standard surely?
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How unfortunate. Immediately after the last post there is (or was) an advert selling some type of double glazing
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How unfortunate. Immediately after the last post there is (or was) an advert selling some type of double glazing
Ted Moult would have sorted the place out, that's for sure.
RIP Ted.
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Work has started on the Black Lion in Conwy. Photo courtesy of Chris Dearden, BBC Reporter.
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I don't think anyone objects to double glazed windows, merely cheap plastic ones. If people buy Victorian buildings, they should be prepared to make the effort to maintain them to a suitable standard surely?
If only that were the case Dave, I want to install "Like for Like" sash style double glazed windows, which would cost me at least 3 times the price of the cheap ones (They look and operate just like the Victorian ones) and have been told under no circumstances will I be given permission. (Already installed in the Empire and the Merrion Hotels)
To help bring my heating bill down and make the place habitable during the Winter months the Conservation Department did come up with the recommendation that I install roof insulation in a Cavity Space that does not exist in my building and that I should install secondary double glazing but that was vetoed during my Fire Safety Inspection when the Inspecting Fire Officer said no, I was not to install it, as it would impede egress of the building in an emergency.
With 65% of Buildings in the Conservation Area benefitting from double glazed windows, of one style or another; with or without permission, all I want is a level playing field, lower Winter Fuel Bills and a Habitable home to enjoy instead of having to endure.
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and they are allowing that monster of a concerete thing ,the new ysgol gogarth ,says it all about our council and mostyn est
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I don't think anyone objects to double glazed windows, merely cheap plastic ones. If people buy Victorian buildings, they should be prepared to make the effort to maintain them to a suitable standard surely?
If only that were the case Dave, I want to install "Like for Like" sash style double glazed windows, which would cost me at least 3 times the price of the cheap ones (They look and operate just like the Victorian ones) and have been told under no circumstances will I be given permission. (Already installed in the Empire and the Merrion Hotels)
To help bring my heating bill down and make the place habitable during the Winter months the Conservation Department did come up with the recommendation that I install roof insulation in a Cavity Space that does not exist in my building and that I should install secondary double glazing but that was vetoed during my Fire Safety Inspection when the Inspecting Fire Officer said no, I was not to install it, as it would impede egress of the building in an emergency.
With 65% of Buildings in the Conservation Area benefitting from double glazed windows, of one style or another; with or without permission, all I want is a level playing field, lower Winter Fuel Bills and a Habitable home to enjoy instead of having to endure.
How true Blongb-- we were told exactly the same thing---14 years ago ! Our windows are so bad that up on the top floor where we sleep we have been known to seal them with masking tape in bad weather.
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and they are allowing that monster of a concerete thing ,the new ysgol gogarth ,says it all about our council and mostyn est
Just like when they did the extensions to Venue Cymru. Planning and Conservation rules are for the little people to obey but not the Council :rage:
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How true Blongb-- we were told exactly the same thing---14 years ago ! Our windows are so bad that up on the top floor where we sleep we have been known to seal them with masking tape in bad weather.
What do you say we forming a protest group Nem, to seek justice by claiming compensation for our excessive Winter fuel bills caused as a direct result of CCBC intransigent Double Glazing Policy?
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It does seem very unfair, if the double glazing you seek is in a Victorian style.... and much worse is being allowed (or ignored) in other similar establishments.
Does anyone know why The Empire etc, are treated differently?
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MONEY ??? :D
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It does seem very unfair, if the double glazing you seek is in a Victorian style.... and much worse is being allowed (or ignored) in other similar establishments.
Does anyone know why The Empire etc, are treated differently?
What amazes me is the vast number who complain about the service from CCBC, but seem to do little about it! Why don't they get together, demand an investigation, complain to the Ombudsman, or even the Queen?
I recently had a dispute with CCBC and dealt with it by bombarding the Officer responsible on a daily basis and then when nothing was done did the same with the CEO, threatening him and his Staff with the Local Government Ombudsman. Result was a result, and if the problem recurs I will do it all again.
I also kept my Ward Councillors informed so they had the opportunity to help also.
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Work has started on the Black Lion in Conwy. Photo courtesy of Chris Dearden, BBC Reporter.
Does that say 1589 above the door Dave? $cofffee$
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I recently had a dispute with CCBC and dealt with it by bombarding the Officer responsible on a daily basis and then when nothing was done did the same with the CEO, threatening him and his Staff with the Local Government Ombudsman. Result was a result
It does seem that an approach combining the relentless tenacity of a terrier with the patience of a hooded cobra is needed when dealing with problems and local councils. But that inertia is endemic throughout pubic services, I'm afraid. The big divisions - HMRC and DVLA - are no different at all, and it takes an enormous amount of time and patience to secure a win against either. One massive advantage we have, however, is that almost all these places - and that includes CCBC - now routinely record telephone conversations, and that's helped me on more than one occasion.
Some tips I've found very useful:
1. Never lose your cool. It plays into their hands and - if you start raving - they're often instructed to put the 'phone down on you. Remain calm, dispassionate and courteous throughout.
2. Always write down three things when you start a 'phone conversation: the date, the time and the name of the person involved.
3. Be sure of your facts. Have a written summary available when you make a call and never be tempted to embellish your case.
4. If you have a 'phone system which can record the conversation, use it and tell them you're using it.
I've secured written apologies and financial compensation from both HMRC and DVLA simply by adopting that strategy. But Yorkie is spot on: complain relentlessly and copy everyone into the complaint whom you think can help you. Unfortunately, that seems to be the nly way tyo get things changed.
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I agree with both Ian and Yorkie about the need to pursue complaints absolutely relentlessly.
I have done so with many organisations in the past, even including the NHS, Parking tickets, the Courts and large companies such as SKY.
I would add one thing to Ian's list. ALWAYS GO HIGHER!
The threat to escalate the problem through the management levels is often enough to get the result, if not then simply speak to the next person up.
I often say the following words in a calm and measured voice... ''please give me the name of the person who is empowered to resolve this problem''
Senior managers hate the prospect of getting a Director involved, as they will have been seen to have failed to resolve the issue, so they quite often capitulate at that point. WWW
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I often say the following words in a calm and measured voice... ''please give me the name of the person who is empowered to resolve this problem''
Indeed, that instils fear into the hearts of most managers.
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Seems a weird way of doing up a major hotel,no scaffold,no hoarding,very bizzar
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Seems a weird way of doing up a major hotel,no scaffold,no hoarding,very bizzar
I don't think they can start work on the outside until the Road Closure Notice is issued?
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It has all been done before so it should be straight forward,is this CCBC being awkward again.
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Had a look at this when passing the other day. There is construction work underway on the other side of Bodhyfryd Road so this may mean that the original closure may need tweaking or renewing. One person's work can be someone else's obstruction.
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Can;t see any reason the social housing going on the old Kwik saves should make any difference whatsoever.
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Not a major eyesore but it's a disgrace that the needed repair to the boat launching jetty hasn't been sorted as it's bang in the middle of the most high profile part of town..
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q212/Rioja_1/Eyesore.jpg) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Rioja_1/media/Eyesore.jpg.html)
Is it a cunning ploy to drive all watersports to Colwyn Bay's new centre ?
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Funnily enough, I was standing on that Slipway yesterday, thinking it had been a long time without any repairs being carried out.
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Demolition work at the back of the Clarence Hotel:
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Not exactly mind blowing in its progress !
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It was nearly gone this morning:
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That looks better--progress !
I'm waiting for someone to mutter about the vehicles on the pavement---as someone is bound to !
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Mutter, mutter, vehicles are on the pavement! ^*^0 ^^^^ (*) *cycle* :cyclist40:
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Attempting to go for a trim tomorrow--- I shall dodge the demolition !
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No dont bother dodging the demolition - - Just try to avoid all the vevicles on the pavements. !!! (mutter mutter mutter) :laugh:
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Shall do--although my OH went past at 7.45am and says the road is now open.
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Heard a rumour they are going to do something about the pier pavilion,only problem is its in 2025,Mr Taylor has left the plot of land to his great,great grandson.
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:o
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Not in our life will we see progress.
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Builders are beginning to dismantle the Verandah on the front of the Clarence Hotel today.
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Just been past and i did;nt notice ,how observant am i.
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They started to remove it last week at the Bodhyfryd Rd. end.
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The cellars at the rear of the Clarence have been exposed during the building work:
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Any skeletons from the Royal Oak.
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:o :o :o
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Worst still. How about a fridge with an oriental gentleman asleep inside
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Ah so !
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Chilling, 8) food for thought.
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Mostyn Estates announced that plans for the Tudno Castle hotel would be out for the autumn and an early start on the project in 2014,so we are all waiting for the press release but how realistic is this considering it has to get through CCBC planning and CADW .
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Some scaffold going up on the Clarence,now it seems like progress.Now im not really excited about Travelodge it will just be one eyesore of the list,i am hoping the two units downstairs will be a little more exciting thought.
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Yes, it's good to see some real progress happening at last on the Clarence.
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Scaffold now on Augusta so thats another eyesore making progress.
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Great news that work will be starting next year to convert the Tudno Castle Hotel into a Premier Inn:
Llandudno’s Tudno Castle Hotel has been boarded up since it ceased trading in 2006, but land owner Mostyn Estates, who took over the site earlier this year, have now signed a contract with developers who specialise in this type of project.
Managing director Edward Hiller said: “The estate has entered into a joint venture with specialist developer Opus Land to undertake redevelopment of the site behind the existing Grade II listed facade. We are at an advanced stage of negotiations with Premier Inn to take it on a letting basis once the development is complete.”
Planning permission for a 70-bed hotel with ground floor restaurant and two retail units was granted to previous site owners Conwy Estates in 2008 after a lengthy planning process which culminated in an inquiry heard by a Welsh Government planning inspector. But Conwy Estates said the process had drained resources and that Premier Inn, a subsidiary of Whitbreads brewery, was no longer interested.
However, Mr Hiller is confident the deal with Opus Land will mean the project will now come to fruition.
He said: “Planning permission is in place, but we hope to submit a revised planning application to cover some minor amendments to the original scheme, early in the New Year. And we will be on site once that has come to a resolution. Work will start in 2014."
And he said that in addition to the hotel rooms, the building will have restaurants on the ground and lower ground floors.
He added: “There has been considerable interest in the restaurants from restaurant providers who are very interested in opening in the town. There will also be two retail units at the side."
Llandudno mayor Garry Burchett was excited by the news and said: “I’m delighted that this listed building, which stands at the gateway to the town and has deteriorated into a dreadful eyesore, is finally going to be redeveloped.
“And I think Mostyn Estates are to be complimented on taking it into their ownership, and being so proactive in ensuring it is brought back into use. I see it as a good addition to what the town has to offer in terms of accommodation for visitors."
Nick Johnston of Whitbread Hotels and Restaurants, said: “Premier Inn is growing. We are expanding across the country and are looking for the very best sites for our customers. We currently have two hotels in the Llandudno area which are both trading exceptionally well. We are keen for another site in the centre of town and are in discussions with Opus and Mostyn Estates on the regeneration of the Tudno site.
“Premier Inn hotels work exceptionally well in traditional seaside holiday destinations. Our hotels create year-round jobs and Premier Inn’s marketing and flexible pricing strategy is proven to bring in more visitors. We are good news for the local economy and hope to increase our presence in Llandudno, further supporting the town.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-eyesore-premier-inn-hotel-6303797 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-eyesore-premier-inn-hotel-6303797)
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Nice one
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Just the Pier Pavilion to get sorted now, mate!
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That's really ancouraging news. I hope that it doesn't encounter any problems again!
I wonder what the restaurants and retail units will be that have shown interest? Trying to think if Premier Inn have a tie-in with anyone....Hopefully we can get something good in there anyway.
I haven't been into town for a few weeks now, so don't know how the Clarence is progressing. Is it moving on well?
Also, I haven't been down Austa St in ages. Have they started work on the flats there yet? I saw a property company was advertising work, but haven't seen any evidence.
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Premier Inn are owned by Whitbread, who own Costa, Table Table, Brewer's Fayre, Beefeater etc.
Clarence is progressing well, it is currently completely wreathed in scaffolding. I will try and get a photo later.
Augusta flats are also covered in scaffolding, as is the Railway Station.
Lots going on at the moment.
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That's really good to hear. I can imagine those restaurants will be nice places to go even if the food isn't. Sitting in one of those bay windowns above the street overlooking the gardens and down Mostyn Street on a Summer's evening with the Orme in the background will be a lovely view to have while eating.
As you say, just the pavilion now...
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Quite often, in the immediate proximity of a Premier Inn, you will find a Harvester Eaterie, a Frankie & Benny's, and one of several decent standard Wine Bars.
This is very good news for the regeneration of Llandudno.
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...and of course, there will be 1, maybe 2 restaurants in the Clarence Hotel complex once completed.
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No good for my diet
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It was nice to see the surveyors all over the Tudno Castle yesterday.I like the new signs on the Clarence,just a shame neither units has been let yet,not good that any of the large retailers have commited.Christmas lights have improved very slightly.
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They were still busy surveying today also. Front of tomorrow's Weekly News says that a Belgian Patisserie is opening in town - anyone know where or will I have to wait 'til tomorrow :P
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It was nice to see the surveyors all over the Tudno Castle yesterday.I like the new signs on the Clarence,just a shame neither units has been let yet,not good that any of the large retailers have commited.Christmas lights have improved very slightly.
Layout of the revamped Clarence Hotel:
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DaveR i want to see the bedrooms plan now and the plans for the Tudno Castle ha
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I see that the Arvon Ave side of the Clarence Hotel has been propped up with very large girders:
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There has been very bad subsidnce on that side for a number of years. A pal of mine, sadly now passed on, was concerned with an investigation at least 15 years ago. Probably a bit (or lot) of an underpinning job required.
ZXZ
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I think it would have been easier (and probably cheaper) to demolish that side altogether and rebuild a facsimile.
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Work continues on the Clarence Hotel:
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Lets just hope you are doing the same pics on the Tudno Castle next year,as for the Pier Pavilion we better start looking for a newborn to take those pics in 2050.
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It was nice to see the drilling firm in the car park of the Tudno Castle yesterday,means there is still progress.
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Jack there's a new Belgian chocolate shop opened next to Trystan Lewis' in Madoc Street.
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Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
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Delivery at the Clarence this morning ----after the wagon had managed to get round the mini roundabout by perching on the wall and dropping off with an almighty crash!
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Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
It doesn't appear to be listed in the January meeting so it may be listed in the February one but don't hold your breath.
Mostyn Estates are not ones to dip into their own pocket too quickly.
CCBC should watch this one carefully for any delays in restoration or rebuilding.
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Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
It doesn't appear to be listed in the January meeting so it may be listed in the February one but don't hold your breath.
Mostyn Estates are not ones to dip into their own pocket too quickly.
CCBC should watch this one carefully for any delays in restoration or rebuilding.
The developer will be paying for the work, Mostyn Estates will just be leasing the site to them, I imagine.
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Lets hope that Mostyn estates get their plans in January for the Tudno Castle and hope all our councillors vote it through.
It doesn't appear to be listed in the January meeting so it may be listed in the February one but don't hold your breath.
Mostyn Estates are not ones to dip into their own pocket too quickly.
CCBC should watch this one carefully for any delays in restoration or rebuilding.
The developer will be paying for the work, Mostyn Estates will just be leasing the site to them, I imagine.
You are correct of course Dave but it doesn't excuse any delay on the matter, as the ultimate responsibility for the building is at present with Mostyn Estates.
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I was walking past Hoosons Chemists earlier, and it struck me how the property is fast becoming a candidate for the Eyesores list. Besides all the peeling paintwork and vinyls, there is now a boarded up window on the Gloddaeth St side. You'd think a Landlord trying to let the property would keep it in a smart state of repair to encourage its letting? Maybe dropping the rental price to a more realistic level might help too... ;)
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What happened too Take-a-break having part of it,it went as far as planning.
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Someone wanted all the shop, not just a part, so T.A.B. backed out. Then the other person couldn't get permission. hence the new eyesore.
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I believe it was a case of the 'other person' deciding not to go ahead with the deal, rather than being refused permission.
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Work at the Clarence Hotel is really moving along at a fast pace. The steel frame of the rear extension is now complete and they are laying the floors. The floor construction method is interesting - instead of craning in concrete beams, they are laying a metal formwork and it looks as though they intend to pump the concrete into that formwork. Not seen that done before.
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Plans have been announced for the Tudno Castle and if you follow the link below, you will find the brochure to download with plans and artists impressions. Looks a good development, just a shame it'll be opposite the largest charity shop in North Wales when the British Heart Foundation opens...
http://opusnorth.co.uk/properties.php (http://opusnorth.co.uk/properties.php)
http://tinyurl.com/pndn6d5 (http://tinyurl.com/pndn6d5)
Edit: I fixed the link - Dave
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I found the info here:
http://propertylink.estatesgazette.com/property-details/5538275-tudno-point-mostyn-broadway-llandudno-gwynedd (http://propertylink.estatesgazette.com/property-details/5538275-tudno-point-mostyn-broadway-llandudno-gwynedd)
Here's an artists impression of the finished building:
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nice one
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It also says in a separate brochure for the restaurants with the agents (WSB) that one of the restaurants is already 'under offer' to Prezzo, which will be a good name to have in town and a good quality national Italian restaurant chain (nearest one is Cheshire Oaks I think at the moment).
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It's a shame the retail block isn't more of a retro design following the lines of the hotel instead of looking like a bit of Lego added at the side!
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Sometimes I think it's better to have a modern look rather than a pastiche effect. It's hard to justify building a modern retail premises with bay windows and plastic moulding etc. New against old can often make quite a nice contrast. For example, I think the additions to Oriel Mostyn look fantastic compared to some fake Victoriana.
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If those two restaurant units are approved on the Conway Road side that's an end to the Hotel having a car park
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It also says in a separate brochure for the restaurants with the agents (WSB) that one of the restaurants is already 'under offer' to Prezzo, which will be a good name to have in town and a good quality national Italian restaurant chain (nearest one is Cheshire Oaks I think at the moment).
There is a Prezzo in Oswestry, it is very good. :-*
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If those two restaurant units are approved on the Conway Road side that's an end to the Hotel having a car park
Premier Inn's rarely have a car park BlongB, but usually have a special discount deal with a nearby commercial car park.
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Prezzy would be a good brand to have in town there's one in new brighton and it is very nice, as for car parking they could do a deal with the company running the station car park.
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The whole of Parc Llandudno sits there empty all night and we are concerned with car parking,don;t think so the main thing here is the end of an eyesore,then jobs,then some quality chain restaurants then maybe parking although as in Colwyn Bay they will use the shopping center next door.
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i agree with you rex loads of parking available could even use the coach park ,coaches can,t park there everytime i go past its empty, and the hotel looks good on the plans .
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Furthermore, there is unrestricted parking 24/7 on that stretch of Conway Road outside the new development stretching back to the entrance of Parc Llandudno and on the other side of the road outside Kwik Fit.
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and it is unrestricted along Vaughan Street until its junction with Oxford Road.
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I take on-board what has been said about parking but it seems very strange to me that it's the councils policy that large houses are refused planning permission to convert into apartments unless there is car parking space for 2 cars per apartment and along come Premier Inn who are gratefully allowed to build on theirs
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I will only stay at places with very good car parking, I'm always cautious where I leave my car parked! (Car enthusiast!)
No one seems to have mentioned the knock on effects to existing hotels and guest houses of a large Travel Lodge and Premier Inn in Llandudno! When we lived near Porthmadog the new Travel Lodge had a big effect on local guest houses etc!
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I suppose it will have an effect on some (and I think Llandudno is over-served by some types of accomodation that perhaps could be lost, mainly larger poor quality hotels which could be converted to housing or other use - the Clarence was a case in point before it closed). However, there are also people who specifically look for good deals in Premier Inns and Travelodges and go to places accordingly. These people might never have come to Llandudno without that kind of offer. There are lots of different types of traveller, some like staying in a cosy b&b, while some could be on business or can't be bothered trawling the net and would rather get a deal with their hotel operator of choice. I think it'll be beneficial for the town.
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No one seems to have mentioned the knock on effects to existing hotels and guest houses of a large Travel Lodge and Premier Inn in Llandudno!
I wonder if it is because the two buildings eventually became local eyesores?
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I suppose it will have an effect on some (and I think Llandudno is over-served by some types of accomodation that perhaps could be lost, mainly larger poor quality hotels which could be converted to housing or other use - the Clarence was a case in point before it closed). However, there are also people who specifically look for good deals in Premier Inns and Travelodges and go to places accordingly. These people might never have come to Llandudno without that kind of offer. There are lots of different types of traveller, some like staying in a cosy b&b, while some could be on business or can't be bothered trawling the net and would rather get a deal with their hotel operator of choice. I think it'll be beneficial for the town.
I agree. I think Llandudno would, in the long term, benefit from having a smaller number of higher quality hotel bedrooms. Peoples' standard of living has increased so much in recent years that many hotels have catching up to do in order to meet visitors raised expectations of bedroom and bathroom decor. Visitors are not going to pay to stay in bedrooms that are not as nice as their own at home.
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We are not talking about a large number of Bedrooms in either the Travelodge or Premier Inn to make that much difference, both of which I welcome into the town.
Neither of them are on the front and neither of them looks as if they will provide Parking.
Their clients, many of them new to Llandudno, will come see the Resort for what it is, with its huge array of accommodation choices most of whom will be charging a lot less per night than the chain Hotels will be able to charge.
After all when you have just spent a fortune on rebuilding the Clarence and the North Western, investors will be looking for a quick return on their money.
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Do we know how many bedrooms in each?
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Their clients, many of them new to Llandudno, will come see the Resort for what it is, with its huge array of accommodation choices most of whom will be charging a lot less per night than the chain Hotels will be able to charge.
What proportion of Llandudno hoteliers still charge per person as opposed to per room?
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I suppose it will have an effect on some (and I think Llandudno is over-served by some types of accomodation that perhaps could be lost, mainly larger poor quality hotels which could be converted to housing or other use - the Clarence was a case in point before it closed). However, there are also people who specifically look for good deals in Premier Inns and Travelodges and go to places accordingly. These people might never have come to Llandudno without that kind of offer. There are lots of different types of traveller, some like staying in a cosy b&b, while some could be on business or can't be bothered trawling the net and would rather get a deal with their hotel operator of choice. I think it'll be beneficial for the town.
The council are not happy at all about conversion from hotel/B&B to anything domestic. Planning and endless cost and red tape involved !!!!
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What proportion of Llandudno hoteliers still charge per person as opposed to per room?
When you can get a room from TL or Pr for £29 a night and sleep a family, I think they will be pretty busy with advance bookings.
ZXZ
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TL are sometimes £19.
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If the town wants to keep it prime position with nearly 20% of serviced bed space in Wales, it makes sense to resist change of use from hotels/BB to flats - look what happened to Rhyl and the Bay - for speculative reasons.
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I was surprised to find nothing about the new Premier Inn development in yesterday's NWWN. &shake&
I guess we have to be grateful to this forum and the Pioneer for reporting it.
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People with a bit of money buy a property do it up and rent it out without any thought for the neighbours,town nothing just as long as they are grabing the money and live well away.Money.
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The council are not happy at all about conversion from hotel/B&B to anything domestic. Planning and endless cost and red tape involved !!!!
Not quite as difficult as you think Nemesis. 4 years non trading and there is nothing to stop you i.e. Plas Tirrion, Hafod Y Mor, Beaulieu, and Messina to name the ones who have already changed in my neck of the woods.
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When you can get a room from TL or Pr for £29 a night and sleep a family, I think they will be pretty busy with advance bookings.
TL are sometimes £19.
Go onto TL or Pr website and try and book a room in a place you would like to consider staying and see what rates you come up with. There is no way on God's earth you will ever be able to book a room from either in Llandudno for the prices you are quoting
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I was looking for B and b for Hub and myself the day we move ,so we can just move our stuff into new home and have a night to relax before starting to clean and unpack the day after. I looked at a few and Premier was £73 that was without breakfast so i wonder where the bargain prices are for premier. I dont mind really parking and food available is a plus.
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When you can get a room from TL or Pr for £29 a night and sleep a family, I think they will be pretty busy with advance bookings.
TL are sometimes £19.
Go onto TL or Pr website and try and book a room in a place you would like to consider staying and see what rates you come up with. There is no way on God's earth you will ever be able to book a room from either in Llandudno for the prices you are quoting
Not too sure about this. A couple of years ago I got a family room for four of us in the Premier Inn at Clan Conwy for £20 £7.50 breakfast for me and the wife kids eat free. Family room in Cardiff for £29 last year. The cheap rooms are limited in number but are out there. You're assured of a decent standard of food and room in a Premier Inn that you don't always get in a traditional B & B. On the other hand I'm always underwhelmed by Travelodge rooms.
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I suspect the cheap rooms are loss leaders, but they certainly do exist. There simple aren't too many, so you have to be in early to get them.
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The last time we stayed in a Premier Inn, we each paid £22 for a deal incorporating an evening meal, alcoholic drink and a buffet breakfast. It was excellent.
On the other hand, we found food was not always available in a Travelodge, and when it was, it was nowhere near as good as the Premier Inn.
Can someone please provide an answer to this outstanding question?
Do we know how many bedrooms in each?
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The council are not happy at all about conversion from hotel/B&B to anything domestic. Planning and endless cost and red tape involved !!!!
Not quite as difficult as you think Nemesis. 4 years non trading and there is nothing to stop you i.e. Plas Tirrion, Hafod Y Mor, Beaulieu, and Messina to name the ones who have already changed in my neck of the woods.
That is quite true Blongb, but not alot of consolation for someone who is ill, or has had a bereavement and needs a speedy sale.
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That's part of the risk you take when you buy a Small Hotel or B & B later in life Nem.
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Bri, I cannot be exact, but I recall there will be approximately 80 rooms in the new Clarence Travel Lodge.
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Thanks Fester.
I have thrown the Pioneer away but next week's NWWN may mention how many rooms in the new Premier Inn.
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Thanks Fester.
I have thrown the Pioneer away but next week's NWWN may mention how many rooms in the new Premier Inn.
Go get it back Bri, surely its only in the recycle bin. ;) ;)
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Our bins get collected on Fridays, Fester.
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I think i read 63 rooms somewhere.
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The Clarence had 58 rooms and the plans are now for 82.
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I wonder if anybody locally will be collecting a £41K introducer fee.
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I walked past Broadway Boulevard this morning and part of the hoarding had blown down, leaving the side with the very worrying crack in the brickwork on view. Builders had gone to the trouble of inserting a steel girder frame into the doorway to try and prop the building up last year, but the long term future of this former theatre must surely be in doubt.
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That's a serious subsidence crack so I hope that those in authority are aware of it before any serious damage is done to the property or a person
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Nice to see Mostyn Estates emptying the old garage in the Tudno Castle,progress on the go.
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Large crane there this a.m. looking at the chimneys.
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They are usually looking for 'Fish' :D
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Perhaps it had a " haddock"
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I went for a walk around the Gt Orme today for the first time in ages. When did the fire happen above the gun sites and how did it start ? There are three "structures" made of old corrugated iron sheets and concrete blocks that appear to have been built specifically to burn gorse cuttings. I say that because one is fully loaded ready to light and another is full of charcoal.
Who was behind it all and do they intend leaving this eyesore behind in an area of outstanding beauty ? ( well it was and will be again in a few years time when the ground recovers)
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If you look back in the thread What is Llandudno like right now a couple of pages you will see that at the time I posted a link to the Daily Post article about the fire !
Thought it had been missed as there were no following comments !
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Thanks Nemesis. No explanations of how it started but it does look like it was done deliberately by the numpties who built the structures I mentioned. It's now another eyesore to add to the local list.
Incidentally, the perennial dog fouling problem is seen to be far worse currently when you take the Invalids Walk to Haulfre Gardens and beyond towards the tram station. Quite disgusting. These people do need naming and shaming when they are caught.Personally I think it should be an offence to take a dog in to a public area without means of clearing up after it fouls. Spot checks should be made ! Never mind big brother, bring back capital punishment !!!! Well, maybe a day in the stocks would make a few people more socially aware. $good$
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With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
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I was on Colwyn Bay beach today, like I have often done recently and it's a good sandy beach with more sand to come. It's north facing like Llandudno's so why haven't the authorities imported sand for Llandudno North Shore because at the moment it looks more like a quarry than a beach?
They import sand to the West Shore where it was not needed and yet they just dump stones on the North Shore, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. :rage:
I suppose that's the end of any sandcastle competitions there.
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With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
I wouldn't mate, the Forum and the town itself will be a poorer place without your drive and enthusiasm. $walesflag$ $good$
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With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
Have you read your PMs lately Wrex?
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With the beach now being an eyesore and a big protest tomorrow lets hope we can get the same people behind the pier pavilion.Im not allowed to get involved anymore as i am a bully,critical and too much to say,so i will shut my mouth from now on.How long it will last i don;t know,but i consider my self TOLD.
Keep up the campaigning Wrex as the town needs people like you to speak out. What I can't comprehend is how local Councillors can hold their heads up high when they let these eyesores continue.
It seems like most of them are just like nodding Donkeys when it comes to dealing with anything difficult.
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Sorry Nem i had;nt read the message i hope you did;nt think i thought it was you,i know you would tell me to my face your views,thanks for the support.
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What I can't comprehend is how local Councillors can hold their heads up high when they let these eyesores continue.
It seems like most of them are just like nodding Donkeys when it comes to dealing with anything difficult.
The problem is that the Town Council is run by a few of the old brigade who have managed against all adversity to hold their seats for years and years. They ride roughshod over new Members, who have to toe the line if they want any of their ideas to get accepted. Wrex and I served together on the Town Council and generally it is just a tea swilling, Mayor making, Civic Sunday talking shop. No power and little action.
Those who are also on the County Council, obviously have vested interests and they come first. Why they are paid so much for attending a few meetings a year is beyond belief.
There are a few good decent hard working County Councillors but they too get outnumbered.
It is about time the Community took matters into their own hands and revolted against the two complete tiers of local Government.
ZXZ
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The renovation of the Clarence Hotel is proceeding well, the roof has now been removed for replacement:
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What I can't comprehend is how local Councillors can hold their heads up high when they let these eyesores continue.
It seems like most of them are just like nodding Donkeys when it comes to dealing with anything difficult.
The problem is that the Town Council is run by a few of the old brigade who have managed against all adversity to hold their seats for years and years. They ride roughshod over new Members, who have to toe the line if they want any of their ideas to get accepted. Wrex and I served together on the Town Council and generally it is just a tea swilling, Mayor making, Civic Sunday talking shop. No power and little action.
Those who are also on the County Council, obviously have vested interests and they come first. Why they are paid so much for attending a few meetings a year is beyond belief.
There are a few good decent hard working County Councillors but they too get outnumbered.
It is about time the Community took matters into their own hands and revolted against the two complete tiers of local Government.
ZXZ
Yorkie. I am preparing my burning torch and looking for my pitchfork as we speak!
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Yorkie. I am preparing my burning torch and looking for my pitchfork as we speak!
Turn your ploughshares into swords, serfs and surfers unite! :D
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The renovation of the Clarence Hotel is proceeding well, the roof has now been removed for replacement:
Public accident waiting to happen at side of the shops with that JCB
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I've just seen the photos of Llandudno's North Shore beach in the NWWN and it's more horrific than I imagined. I then read an article on it and copied this extract.
" Councillor Mike Priestley, Conwy's cabinet member for environment, has worked with the campaigners but questioned whether a sandy beach would give sufficient protection against floods.
"Yes, we can look at options," he said.
"Some people were saying we need to bring back a beach and what will hold that in place is old wooden groynes.
"No-one in their right mind is going to give you millions and millions of pounds to do that knowing what evidence there is to keep that sand in place.
"To get that evidence you're going to have to model what your proposals are. To model those proposals it's going to cost tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of pounds."
I take back my comments referring to some Councillors as nodding Donkeys as I now realise that it's an insult to the Donkeys intelligence.
Llandudno has two beaches and the Councillors by their intervention have wrecked both of them. They imported sand onto the West Shore beach where it wasn't needed and imported stone onto the North Shore where it wasn't wanted. Why can't they get things right? :rage:
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Don't get to upset Hugo just remember who supported the ruination of our Beaches come Local Election time
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Don't get to upset Hugo just remember who supported the ruination of our Beaches come Local Election time
It just doesn't happen B. The same old army gets re-elected time after time. Look at the names of all the old school on Llandudno Town Council who have been there since Noah was a child! ZXZ
It will continue 'till time immemorial.
The recent demonstrations will be forgotten in a few weeks! :rage:
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Don't get to upset Hugo just remember who supported the ruination of our Beaches come Local Election time
Even though I don't live in Llandudno any more, it still annoys me to see what these Councillors are doing to my home town. Is there any way to find out exactly who voted for this eyesore? If so then people could be made aware of their names come election time.
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I share Hugo's disappointment to put it mildly. Passed by the station and felt heartened and then turned up the road past the Imperial to be met by the biggest wagon I have ever seen trying to turn on to the promenade. Presumably a huge amount of stone on board. How sad.
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Even though I don't live in Llandudno any more, it still annoys me to see what these Councillors are doing to my home town. Is there any way to find out exactly who voted for this eyesore? If so then people could be made aware of their names come election time.
Unless it is requested at the time a Vote is called for a particular Proposal, no record is kept of who is "for" and who is "against". All it takes to pass any Motion is just a simple majority, providing there is a quorum of probably 10 Councillors from 30 in the full Council! So in essence, 6 could decide between life or death! ZXZ
Also the Minutes of Meeting do not show the names of the Proposer or Seconder of any Motion. Presumably on the basis of everyone is thereby blameless! :rage:
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From memory, pebbles were originally put there over 20 years following much debate. There was a lot of angst over West Shore at the same time - Dr Barber (?) was the consultant.
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From memory, pebbles were originally put there over 20 years following much debate. There was a lot of angst over West Shore at the same time - Dr Barber (?) was the consultant.
Cambrian, if Dr Barber is the same idiot that proposed the West Shore sea defence then his proposal for the North Shore was just as stupid.
He proposed that a breakwater be built ( like the one at Rhos ) and it would be situated past the end of the pier and between the Great Orme and the Little Orme. Unbelievable and they paid these consultants, they should have sued them instead for the damage caused.
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I went to a meeting at Venue Cymru back in 2001 or 2 to hear what Mr Barker who was then the chief Executive of Conwy Council was proposing for our sea defences on the North Shore. When he said they were going to put stones on the beach the room erupted in uproar. The meeting didn't last much longer because a certain Mr Dickins (late of the Bay Tree) informed Mr Barker that if they put any stones on the beach between the slipway and the Pier, which was being proposed at the time, then he would personally hang Mr Barker from the nearest lamppost before the lorry delivering the stones could turn around.
Mr Barker walked out of the meeting and no further consultation with the local community took place. The stones were duly put on the beach but not on what is now laughingly called kiddies corner.
What a shame Mr Dickins gave Mr Barker such a limited promise.
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All the papers are full of annoyed Llandudno residents complaining about rocks being placed on the North Shore beach. A local historian/photographer even put a 70 year old photo of the North shore allegedly showing lots of sand.
Unfortunately for me I'm 82 years old and I grew up in Rhos. So I have personal experience of Llandudnos north shore 70 years ago.And I can tell you that is has ALWAYS been a stony, rocky beach. Thats just how it is. As kids we played on the beach every day, but not Llandudno. Nor Rhos, which is and was even stonier. No, Colwyn Bay has always, always had the most sand. And the best of the lot? Rhyl. No question. Mike
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I took this photo of North Shore back in 2005 - hardly a sand filled paradise....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/25702332/in/set-72057594059686122 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/25702332/in/set-72057594059686122)
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As unattractive as they are, the stones undoubtedly form a useful role in breaking up the power of the high tides. I know this as I'm down on North Shore for every major High Tide and they really do work.
If the stones are removed, what will replace them to break up the force of the waves? Talk of a simple solution of groynes is, I feel, a little optimistic, as they will just not be effective in dealing with the more extreme weather we seem to be getting on a regular basis these days. The tide we saw on the 5th Dec 2013 was amazing - by far the highest tide I've ever seen.
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In the past it was a pebble and sand beach.
Not Rock Armour .
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If the stones are removed, what will replace them to break up the force of the waves? Talk of a simple solution of groynes is, I feel, a little optimistic, as they will just not be effective in dealing with the more extreme weather we seem to be getting on a regular basis these days.
Every proposal will cost money, and the stones almost certainly do the job required for the least cost. There are other possibilities, such as beach recharging through remote dredge and pumping operations, but the cost of that can be eye-watering.
There are really two separate issues: tides and storms. Beach recharging might well be effective against the tidal range, although longshore drift will inevitably reduce the sand over time. Against storms - thankfully infrequent from the North - there's little alternative to stones for energy dissipation or a harbour. The Bay is rather large for a harbour, so it's hard to see a financially reasonable solution.
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I took this photo of North Shore back in 2005 - hardly a sand filled paradise....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/25702332/in/set-72057594059686122 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/25702332/in/set-72057594059686122)
If I'm not mistaken that photo was taken somewhere around the Venue Cymru area and that has always been a natural pebble beach so nothing artificial has been introduced there. The sandy beach area that we remember is the more popular area from approximately the Imperial area to the Pier. It was never the best of sandy beaches but the introduction of rocks has spoilt even that.
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Why not do what they do down in Cardiff Bay and build a barrage which could double up as a berthing facility for larger cruise ships?
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But, I have to ask, don't these rocks fulfill a vital function? To protect the town from flooding and the promenade from damage?
As climate change becomes ever more intense, are we not asking for trouble removing the rocks/defences at this time?
I am all for sandy beaches, but with Llandudno being so incredibly low-lying, are we not taking a very dangerous risk?
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I have copied this from another thread, where I posted it earlier.... this debate is going on over two threads,apparently.
But, I have to ask, don't these rocks fulfill a vital function? To protect the town from flooding and the promenade from damage?
As climate change becomes ever more intense, are we not asking for trouble removing the rocks/defences at this time?
I am all for sandy beaches, but with Llandudno being so incredibly low-lying, are we not taking a very dangerous risk?
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Sorry, F; I'm just in the process of sorting out the disparate threads which are appearing in topics all over the place on this one subject.
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West Shore has sand doesn't it? Don't see the problem - Though to be honest I've not been on North Shore beach for about 20 years - too crowded for my liking
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West Shore has sand doesn't it? Don't see the problem - Though to be honest I've not been on North Shore beach for about 20 years - too crowded for my liking
Here's a reminder then of what it once looked like.
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Pan left and it was full of rocks and stones. ZXZ
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pan left and it was pebbles and sand ,now dirty quarry rocks ,talking to a family member who have ,or should i say had the donkeys ,the council told him they don,t really want him on the beach.
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Oh Norman that is so sad. We have such good family memories of the donkey rides.
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If the purpose of the stones is to break up the power of Storm Surges, which could undermine the Sea Wall, then it could quite easily have been accomplished by putting in a Rhos style Rock Groin further out in the Bay.
Large Rocks or a proper Breakwater don’t move not even in storm surges, ergo no hard-core ballast required to protect the North Shore, no ongoing cost of recharging the hard-core ballast which is now being done at an ever increasing frequency, locals and visitors gain access to the beach again, Donkeys can use the beach instead of being forced to move over to the West Shore and the Imperial Hotel will be able to recommence their Sand Castle completion……..simples
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or this:
Why not do what they do down in Cardiff Bay and build a barrage which could double up as a berthing facility for larger cruise ships?
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If the purpose of the stones is to break up the power of Storm Surges, which could undermine the Sea Wall, then it could quite easily have been accomplished by putting in a Rhos style Rock Groin further out in the Bay.
Why not do what they do down in Cardiff Bay and build a barrage which could double up as a berthing facility for larger cruise ships?
Cost.
If the purpose of the stones is to break up the power of Storm Surges
Actually, you're conflating two rather different concepts. The purpose of the stones (as I've said) is to dissipate the energy of the waves. Those waves are often (but not always) caused by a storm. A storm surge, however, is the dome of water that rises beneath an area of extremely low pressure centre and which is being pushed by near-hurricane strength winds towards land, resulting in an exceptionally high tide. Very little can withstand those, especially if they occur on or very close to a Spring tide.
In the UK, we also have some of the highest tidal ranges in the world. The top seven are in Nova Scotia, while we come in at number 8, which gives some indication of just how extreme our normal tides can be. Spring tides (not to be confused with a season) can occur every couple of weeks, when a syzygy between Earth , Moon and Sun occurs. However, these monthly cycles are not the extremes, as the proximity of the Moon to Earth is also an important factor. At perigee (closest) we experience what most refer to as 'Spring tides' which can be significantly greater than usual.
What it comes down to is that we can engineer our way out of it through groynes, or berthing facilities or a hydroelectric scheme, but only providing both the political will exists and the money can be found.
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Spring tides occur roughly every 2 weeks.
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Spring tides occur roughly every 2 weeks.
They do, and I should have made that clearer. I've added a line to explain the perigean spring tides, which is what many think of as Spring tides.
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Sorry wrong thread about the waste ground ,why not just raise the height of the prom it would only cost about 25million as a guess .
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Just for the record.......the new beach.
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I've signed this!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-pur-sand.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-pur-sand.html)
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Sorry wrong thread about the waste ground ,why not just raise the height of the prom it would only cost about 25million as a guess .
I've moved the other post to the right place, BM :-))
Raising the height of the prom was suggested one time. Can't remember why it wasn't pursued.
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I've signed this!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-pur-sand.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-pur-sand.html)
Thanks for the link ME, I've joined the growing swell by signing as well.
(Did you pick up on the mistake in the title of the petition? someone has large fingers and has hit the P key instead of the O key) :-}}}
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Me too ME $good$
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Well done! $good$ lots on Facebook about it!
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Well done! $good$ lots on Facebook about it!
Unfortunate that some people choose to be anonymous as their vote will not be counted! ZXZ
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Just to update our List. Suggestions for new additions etc are welcome!
Llandudno
Pier Pavilion site Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg3886#msg3886)
Clarence Hotel Being renovated into a Travelodge
Tudno Castle Hotel Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg779#msg779)
Railway Station Renovation completed
Penmorfa Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg642#msg642)
Derelict site, Parc Llandudno Site has been landscaped
Augusta Holiday Flats, Augusta Street Being renovated into apartments
Grand Theatre/Broadway Boulevard
Deganwy
Deganwy Castle Hotel
Conwy
Billingtons Garage
Black Lion Renovation into private residence underway
Fruit N Fibre Shop Renovation underway
Red Lion/'The Bombsite' Renovation completed
The Cockpit
Butterfly Jungle
Colwyn Bay
Colwyn Bay Pier Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg722#msg722)
Rhos Harbour Bistro Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg1186#msg1186)
A & A Cash & Carry, Abergele Road Click here to go to post (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=42.msg2780#msg2780)
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The Skip is missing from the Colwyn Bay list! :twoface:
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The Skip is missing from the Colwyn Bay list! :twoface:
I can see your logic, but I don't think we can add a building that is less than a year old to the Eyesores list. Give it another year or two first. :laugh:
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I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4051/4401990850_b2abe27ec4_b.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4401990850/)
Grand Theatre Tour - Llandudno (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/4401990850/) by [davidrobertsphotography] (https://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Behind the tatty exterior lies (somewhat hidden) an intimate 1,000 seater auditorium. You can take a 'virtual tour' of the interior by following the link here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/sets/72157623521219490/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/sets/72157623521219490/)
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
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Just for the record.......the new beach.
Once the North Shore Beach has been submerged by the thousands of tons of rock we will have to make good the Promenade itself.
If my memory serves me right from the brief period I was employed by CCBC, the Promenade was built to only take light traffic such as, pedestrians, cycles, bath chairs, horses and light vehicles. These great 40 ton monsters cruising up and down with their loads will not be doing the surface or what's underneath any good at all. ZXZ
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do you also remember when they wouldn,t let ian turner do a sponsored crawl incase he ruined the surface _))* and wouldn,t allow a pram race ,
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I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
It's haunted as well :o
Sadly I think it's the wrong side of town to be a profitable nightclub.
Venue Cymru can't sell half the tickets to the shows they've got, so can't see use for it as a Theatre.
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The original verandah of the Clarence Hotel has been revealed during the recent building work:
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I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
This building is crying out for a website to promote its potential more widely and maybe attract some funding to at least stabilise its condition.
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Any news on the Tudno Castle development? It seems to have gone quite quiet and the planning application has not, to my knowledge, even been lodged yet.
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I'm sorry to have to do it, but it's time to add in the Grand Theatre to the Eyesores list. Recently known as the Broadway Boulevard nightclub, this Edwardian Theatre closed in 2013, with the building's exterior deteriorating alarmingly since. It is currently boarded up and for sale at £750,000. Somehow, I don't imagine there will be anyone rushing to buy....
It's difficult to know what use could be made of this building other than as a nightclub/community theatre/arts venue.
This building is crying out for a website to promote its potential more widely and maybe attract some funding to at least stabilise its condition.
It's still on the market at a price of £750,000. Personally, I think it would only take an offer of £250,000 to buy the place, given its non-trading state and general condition. I noticed that dodgy buldes had been flytipping rubbish round the back of it a few weeks ago.
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Any news on the Tudno Castle development? It seems to have gone quite quiet and the planning application has not, to my knowledge, even been lodged yet.
I've heard that wheels are slowly turning in the background.
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Well, an application has now gone into CCBC for the Tudno Castle Hotel. The development is to comprise a 63 bedroom hotel, 3 restaurants, 2 shops and a gym/office space.
Now that we've reached this stage, let's hope it goes through without any problems and CCBC don't delay it endlessly in planning, or try and make the developers open in Colwyn Bay or something.
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The Clarence had 58 rooms and the plans are now for 82.
So 63 + 82 = an extra 145 hotel bedrooms.
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with the loss of so many hotels and b&b;s it is much needed bed space.
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This was eight years ago:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4743616.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4743616.stm)
This was two years ago:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/hopes-raised-future-llandudno-pier-2647385 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/hopes-raised-future-llandudno-pier-2647385)
Wonder what's happening?
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Wonder what's happening?
Nothing, it would appear! The last scheduled meeting to discuss the issue at CCBC was cancelled and its not been back on the agenda since.
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Come on people,its not in Colwyn Bay so don;t expect Graham Rees and co to give it a second thought.
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Have they actually laid this pipe and does anyone know what the pipe is for?
Application No: 0/39941 Grid Reference: 277017,382193
Application Type: Certificate of Lawful Development Case Officer: Katy Roberts
Determination Level Delegated Team: Minor Applications Team
Received Date : 13/06/2013 Registered Date: 03/07/2013
Development Type(s): New Development
Ward: Gogarth
Community Council: Cyngor Tref Llandudno Town Council
Location: Land at Former (demolished) Penmorfa Hotel, Abbey Road, Llandudno, Conwy, LL30 2QY
Certificate of lawfulness for an existing use or operation or activity granted under code ref
0/34235 (Demolition of Penmorfa House and erection of 28 no. apartments) to confirm the
commencement of the development on the site by virtue of laying of underground pipe
Proposal
After reading Steve's postings on the Aberhod I was wondering if anyone knew what was happening about this site and has the pipe been laid?
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I can't find anything, only the old stories..... :(
http://dalesman.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/penmorfa-llandudno-loses-another-historic-building/ (http://dalesman.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/penmorfa-llandudno-loses-another-historic-building/)
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I notice Mostyn estates and Opus have missed their summer start on the Tudno Castle hotel,no chance of this one being ready on time either.
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I notice Mostyn estates and Opus have missed their summer start on the Tudno Castle hotel,no chance of this one being ready on time either.
Walking past today I was amazed how rapidly the building is deteriorating still further. I can't see anything of the original being salvaged the cracks in the walls look so ominous. My bet it will end up a total demolition job. Maybe that's why there is a delay ?
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Heard yesterday that Tudno Castle will not start till 2015 at least
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I notice Mostyn estates and Opus have missed their summer start on the Tudno Castle hotel,no chance of this one being ready on time either.
Walking past today I was amazed how rapidly the building is deteriorating still further. I can't see anything of the original being salvaged the cracks in the walls look so ominous. My bet it will end up a total demolition job. Maybe that's why there is a delay ?
It is in a very bad way, to be sure. Having said that, the Clarence wasn't in that much better condition and the builders have done a fantastic job on that.
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Wasn't somebody killed in a building collapse in an east coast resort recently. Skegness maybe ? That was a similar situation to the Tudno Castle. Some stormy weather or even extreme cold and who knows what might happen here. I think I'll walk on the other side of the road.
Just found this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-29506721 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-29506721)
All looks too familiar for comfort
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I noticed, last time I went past apart from the cracks ....The main end wall, at the back was bowed, I'm no builder but a bowed end wall seemed serious, I have my doubts....
I had a look at some of the interior photos, ....I would have liked to see it, in it's day.
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Certainly a good idea to steer clear on very cold or stormy days, I'd have thought. The Boulevard building is another one to be careful of when walking past in similar conditions.
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As we know Tudno Castle has no sign of a start,i googled Tudno Point and came across Movehut which seemed to mention hotel to let,u know me i hope ive got it wrong
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As we know Tudno Castle has no sign of a start,i googled Tudno Point and came across Movehut which seemed to mention hotel to let,u know me i hope ive got it wrong
Fortunately, you have. It's just the restaurant units that are to let.
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Broadway Boulevard has been reduced to £500,000 now (was £750,000). Any takers? :laugh:
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Hi Dave, where did you see that? I can only find information about it being available for lease. Cheers.
T
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Hi Dave, where did you see that? I can only find information about it being available for lease. Cheers.
T
It's on here:
http://www.movehut.co.uk/property/266952-mostyn-broadway-llandudno-gwynedd/ (http://www.movehut.co.uk/property/266952-mostyn-broadway-llandudno-gwynedd/)
Personally, I think £250,000 would be a better price, given its rapidly deteriorating condition. Thieves have broken into the building around the back in recent months, so who knows what condition it is in inside.
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Cheers Dave. Will have word with administrators - read it in Weekly News on Thursday.
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Broadway Boulevard has been reduced to £500,000 now (was £750,000). Any takers?
Llandudno and Wrexham nightclubs sale prices slashed to tempt buyers.
David Sutcliffe, from leisure property specialist Fleurets, which is handling the sales, said: “These two properties have recently been sold onto new owners as part of a wider portfolio sale.
“The new owners are keen to dispose of these non-core assets and with a view to obtaining a quick sale the price has been reduced so as to attract some further interest.
“There is a the possibility that unless a quick sale is agreed these properties, together with other non-core assets, could be placed in an auction.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/look-llandudno-wrexham-nightclubs-sale-8045384 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/look-llandudno-wrexham-nightclubs-sale-8045384)
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A DILAPIDATED former youth club close to Llandudno town centre has been bought by a landowner who says it’s keen to redevelop the site.
The former Youth Centre building in Trinity Avenue, was originally used as a Cottage Hospital before the construction of the present Llandudno Hospital.
But since the Conwy County Council run Youth Centre closed several years ago and was put up for sale, the condition of the building has deteriorated and it has been subjected to vandalism.
Last week Mostyn Estates purchased the property from the council,with the intention, says managing director Edward Hiller, of replacing it with residential accommodation, designed to fit with surrounding properties.
I read that article in the NWWN last week and was a bit surprised to see that Mostyn Estates were going to redevelop the site, especially seeing the state that they have let the Castle Hotel get into. I just hope that it hasn't been sold to Mostyn Estates at a knock down price as the CCBC could have done something similar with a genuine developer.
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Is it a good thing that Broadway Boulavard is going to auction.
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December is here and no sign of Opus starting on the Tudno Castle,looks like 2017 finish at the earliest.
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December is here and no sign of Opus starting on the Tudno Castle,looks like 2017 finish at the earliest.
I suspect you may be right, Wrex, sadly.
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December is here and no sign of Opus starting on the Tudno Castle,looks like 2017 finish at the earliest.
I suspect you may be right, Wrex, sadly.
Wrex get on the case and sort it out with CCBC, Mostyn Estates own the building and the freehold so the buck stops there!
While I'm at it they now own the former Llandudno Youth Club so you can add that as an up and coming eyesore.
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For once Hugo i don;t think this has got anything too do with CCBC ,i hope not anyway.The developers and Mostyn Estates might not have the funds or they are just waiting for another tennant before they start,or maybe they never really planned on starting in the summer of 2014,im sure it will eventually start but there is certainly no hurry too.
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No pressure on Mostyn Estates then! No worries for them about any repair notices or whatever needs to be done to ensure the place is safe and not an eyesore.
It seems that that they never have to dip into their pockets and are exempt from everything.
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The Developers will be controlling the pace of the scheme, getting the financing in place and sorting out the contracts for building contractors etc. It will be they, rather than Mostyn Estates, who decides when work starts.
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Do you think there maybe an arrangement in place to not start work until the other one has opened?
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I wouldn't have thought so, I imagine there's a keen rivalry between Premier Inn and Travelodge.
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I'm waiting to see what arrangements are made for car parking................especially at the Clarence! It should be interesting to say the least.
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Same as the old Clarence hotel,street parking.
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They can use that council car park further down Gloddaeth St maybe?
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Street parking busy, especially at weekends, a lot of trade at Bonkers.
Public Car Parks--- I can imagine the grumbling if the weather is bad !!!
We shall wait and see.
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They can use that council car park further down Gloddaeth St maybe?
I was thinking the same, until I realised that there is not a space to be had in there, in high season.
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There is another car park across the road behind Wetherspoons.
and don’t forget hotel proprietors are given passes by Conwy Council for their customers with cars for street parking.
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They should have turned the Clarence into a multi-storey car park. Probably would make more money with much less hassle than an hotel.
Maelgwyn Road Car Park is earmarked for development by ME.
Parking facilities in the Town are totally inadequate, as one would expect of an old delapidated Victorian Town. The affect of the additional development on all sides has not been catered for, and further development will only make matters worse.
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There is another car park across the road behind Wetherspoons.
and don’t forget hotel proprietors are given passes by Conwy Council for their customers with cars for street parking.
Not an awful lot of 'given' by CCBC. A lot of hotels 'buy' spaces.
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A Trust has been formed to try and buy the Grand Theatre and bring it back into community use. I'd like to wish the Grand Theatre Trust every success in their efforts to save this wonderful old Theatre. You can see my 'Backstage Tour' of the Theatre here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/sets/72157623521219490/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/sets/72157623521219490/)
Race is on to save dilapidated Llandudno theatre
Published date: 03 December 2014 | Published by: Dean Jones
THE race is on to save a dilapidated Llandudno theatre hidden deep within a nightclub.
Members of a trust set up to save the Grand Theatre on Mostyn Broadway have warned time is running out to purchase the property, previously home to the Boulevard nightclub.
With the site set to go to auction on Wednesday, December 10, Trust members are working hard to put together a package to buy the Grade II listed building, opened in 1901, with the hope of restoring the theatre to its former glory.
Mark Pavey, working on behalf of the Grand Theatre Trust, said: “There is an incredible amount of structural damage to the theatre, and we are concerned that it could fall into the wrong hands and be turned into a commercial development.
“Llandudno must become a place to come and think rather than drink, to relax and prosper rather than stress and struggle, to feed the imagination of those who visit it and to reward those who chose to remain or move here.”
The proposed restoration will see the theatre become a prominent feature of Llandudno once again, with the trust planning to install a digital cinema projection system, with a view to showing blockbuster movies at weekends.
Last week an independent buyer put forward an offer of £475,000 accepted on the property, but later withdrew the bid after assessing structural damage associated with the site.
Mr Pavey said: “I think the buyer was unaware of just how much work needs doing to it, which is quite significant.”
The building was initially on the market for £750,000, but recently had its asking price slashed by a third to attract more interest.
Owners Atmosphere Bars and Clubs went into administration in May, 2013 due to what was described as a consequence of cash flow problems.
The venue remained open while administrators Deloitte LPC sought to sell the parent company, but the Boulevard eventually closed its doors for good in June, 2013.
Councillor Malcolm Bullock, mayor of Llandudno, said: “This is a building that Llandudno has missed and one that needs to be open.”
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/141496/race-is-on-to-save-dilapidated-llandudno-theatre.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/141496/race-is-on-to-save-dilapidated-llandudno-theatre.aspx)
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When you get old there is plenty of time too think so let the youngsters drink and have a good time instead of busing our kids too England for their nights out.
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D-day for dilapidated former Llandudno theatre
Published date: 10 December 2014 |
Published by: Dean Jones .
LLANDUDNO Town Council has joined the fight to save the former Grand Theatre.
Council officials have formally written to Mr Peter Brown, head of Regulatory and Housing Services at Conwy County Council, with the Mostyn Broadway building set for auction today at The Dorchester, London.
The letter states: “Serious concern and disappointment was expressed about this once prominent and important feature of Llandudno being in a perilous state, in spite of planning conditions to maintain it.
“There is much interest in preserving the exterior and interior of the building, not only from the Town Council but also from local historical and conservation groups, and of course residents.
“We would welcome advice from Conwy Council regarding whether, with any sale or transaction of the Grand Theatre, there can be enforcement to ensure that the building is put back into a fit state as benefits a Grade II* listed building."
Trust members are working hard to put together a package to buy the building, opened in 1901, with the hope of restoring the theatre to its former glory.
A Conwy County Council spokesperson, said: "The Head of Regulatory Services and Housing has received correspondence from Llandudno Town Council.
"Planning and conservation officers will look into the request."
http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/141802/d-day-for-dilapidated-former-llandudno-theatre.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/141802/d-day-for-dilapidated-former-llandudno-theatre.aspx)
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Ha Dave!
I see that you have been given acknowledgement for the photography THIS time! :)
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Ha Dave!
I see that you have been given acknowledgement for the photography THIS time! :)
It's about time! :D
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You must have a really powerful and tenacious 'agent' ;)
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You must have a really powerful and tenacious 'agent' ;)
He certainly carries considerable influence in local exalted circles.
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You must have a really powerful and tenacious 'agent' ;)
He certainly carries considerable influence in local exalted circles.
That sounds a bit rude.... if you think about it.
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The Boulevard/Grand Theatre failed to sell at Auction yesterday. This can only mean that ANY offer for the building will now be seriously considered by the Vendors.
Llandudno and Wrexham nightclubs fail to sell at auction
Dec 10, 2014 18:35 By Tom Davidson
Despite slashed prices Broadway Boulevard and Chicago's failed to meet their reserve price
Broadway Boulevard in Llandudno and Chicago’s in Wrexham both failed to meet reserves in the sale by London-based auctioneers Allsop.
The nightclubs are owned by Atmosphere Bars and Clubs, who slashed their prices in November in the hope of encouraging a sale .
Both have been closed since June 2013 , when Atmosphere Bars and Clubs went into administration, with around 40 workers losing their jobs.
The 1,000 capacity Boulevard is still on the market for £500,000.
David Sutcliffe, from leisure property specialist Fleurets, which handled the sales before the auction said the owners were “keen to dispose of these non-core assets”.
Aberconwy AM Janet Finch Saunders said she hoped a buyer could be secured for the Boulevard in Llandudno.
She said: “There is some local momentum to see this building brought back into use, however not necessarily as a nightclub.
“Some have expressed much interest in seeing it fully restored in a traditional and sympathetic manner and a whole host of ideas suggested have been along the lines of a music hall, a theatre, old-style cinema, and perhaps an all round family entertainment centre.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-wrexham-nightclubs-fail-sell-8267899 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-wrexham-nightclubs-fail-sell-8267899)
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Campaign group 'overwhelmed' by public support to save the Grand Theatre
Published date: 07 January 2015
Published by: Dean Jones
A MEETING has been scheduled to discuss saving the former Grand Theatre in Llandudno.
Members of the Grand Theatre Trust have set an initial date of late February for the meeting to discuss efforts to safeguard the venue housed in the Mostyn Broadway site, closed since June, 2013.
Mark Pavey, working on behalf of the Grand Theatre Trust, said: “The public support surrounding the site has been overwhelming.
“We are currently exploring all avenues of funding to see what is available, and we will be putting posters and flyers around the community to alert more people to our cause.”
The trust recently held talks with representatives from Mostyn Estates, who told them that the cost to repair the damage to the building, up unitl recently housing the Broadway Boulevard, was estimated at £500,000, and that restoring it made “no commercial sense”.
John Lawson Reay, of the Grand Theatre Trust, said: “The trust feel that the restoration of the Grand Theatre would be the pinnacle of community action, and what an achievement it would be for the town if we were to be successful.”
Lottery funding is now being explored by the trust, and Llandudno Town Council has also written to Peter Brown, head of Regulatory and Housing Services at Conwy Council, to request “enforcement measures” are put in place to safeguard the site.
The campaign has also received the support of Aberconwy Assembly Member Janet Finch-Saunders, who stated she plans to bring the matter before the Welsh Assembly in the near future.
Trust members, who will announce a specific date and venue for the public meeting in coming weeks, have also launched a website, www.grandtheatre.co.uk (http://www.grandtheatre.co.uk) where people can make donations to the plans.
http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/142716/campaign-group-overwhelmed-by-public-support-to-save-the-grand-theatre.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/142716/campaign-group-overwhelmed-by-public-support-to-save-the-grand-theatre.aspx)
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I know very little but I am led to believe as a nightclub it was profitable, the only one of the clubs that the current owners had which didn't run at a loss. There is no doubt that some kind of nightclub is needed in the locality to provide for the needs of the local younger generation and indeed, to bring people in to the area from further afield.I am told that Llandudno is a lot quieter at night now that the Boulevard has closed. A lot of people might see that as a benefit but from a commercial point of view it certainly isn't and it has a knock on effect on other businesses too.
There is talk of renovating the theatre to it's former glory but is there any point ? What would you do with it ? Venue Cymru get's regular criticism for being a financial black hole but how would this new theatre compete without loosing a fortune too?
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There is talk of renovating the theatre to it's former glory but is there any point ? What would you do with it ? Venue Cymru get's regular criticism for being a financial black hole but how would this new theatre compete without loosing a fortune too?
One idea that was floated was to make it into a showcase for all the local voluntary groups that put shows on in Llandudno throughout the season. I suspect there's no denying the problems it would face, however, and I think that a compete renovation would mean throwing a lot of cash at a place with a very uncertain future.
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Trust members, who will announce a specific date and venue for the public meeting in coming weeks, have also launched a website, www.grandtheatre.co.uk (http://www.grandtheatre.co.uk) where people can make donations to the plans.
Shame the link takes you to a website for Wolverhampton Grand Theatre.
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This is the correct link:
www.thegrandtheatre.co.uk (http://www.thegrandtheatre.co.uk)
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Great news,Mr Lawson=Reay wants to reopen Broadway, problem is it takes all the attention away from the town beach and oh,what about The Pier Pavillion,nobody want to rebuild that to its former glory,make a good community center,ha.
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It was 30 years ago that the last attempt to restore the Grand Theatre was underway:
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Leader of Llandudno Grand Theatre pressure group says it will survive
Jan 13, 2015 08:30
By Jez Hemming
A trust committed to preserving a seaside town’s heritage says a building housing a century old theatre will survive 'one way or another'.
The Llandudno Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust are campaigning to save and reopen the town’s Grand Theatre, latterly the venue for former Boulevard nightclub, as part of a community interest company.
Chairman of the Trust, John Lawson-Reay, says the features of the Grade II listed building will have to be kept whether his organisation manages to reopen the building as a community resource or not.
The venue, which has structural issues, was originally for sale at £750,000 but the price was reduced by a third to encourage buyers and put up for auction late last year.
There were no takers for the structure, which began as the Grand Theatre in around 1901, and that gave the Trust hope it could be saved.
“If someone does buy it perhaps they would open it as a nightclub,” he said. “But they would have to repair the building. It’s one of the finest examples in the country. As it’s a listed building it’s going to survive one way or another, whether we manage to get it or not.”
John says he has looked around the building and, although there are serious structural problems to overcome, he believes it can be saved and be a useful addition to the Llandudno community.
“I have got a vision that it could be brought back into use as a cinema,” said the historian, professional photographer and former BBC cameraman.
“With digital equipment it could be done quite cheaply. It’s got very good acoustics and it could be used for community performances and as an amateur dramatic centre.”
The group made a business plan and John has looked at other theatre restoration groups around the country, speaking with various figures in the theatrical industry.
He believes they can get the necessary funding to revamp the old theatre and turn the venture into a community interest company which is self-sustaining.
They have also engaged a structural engineer and architect with expertise in theatre design to sort out the practicalities but the sticking point is gaining control of the building.
“After we got the business plan the owner decided to sell,” revealed John. “We are now waiting to see what happens as regards the ownership.
“If no one steps in and buys it then we have a chance. It is our intention to form a Community Interest Company to run the business.
“Our trust is only geared up to saving buildings but not running them. We intend eventually to raise funds locally from interested people.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/leader-llandudno-grand-theatre-pressure-8434085 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/leader-llandudno-grand-theatre-pressure-8434085)
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Still no sign of the Tudno Castle starting,quite concerning i thinks.
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It appears the Grand Theatre may have finally been sold, subject to contract.
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Bri any more info.
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Only the fact the prospective purchasers are private buyers.
And Di and Rod are hoping to bring Aunty Daisy up for her birthday. +}}{--
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Good news on both fronts.
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Is it just me or does anybody else think the interference with the sale of Broadway by the new trust might put the new buyers off.
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355)
From today's Daily Post Wrex
Lenny Henry will still be sleeping under the stars. !
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355)
From today's Daily Post Wrex
Lenny Henry will still be sleeping under the stars. !
Or at Craigside, or the Junction? 😀
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/development-llandudnos-tudno-castle-hotel-8621355)
From today's Daily Post Wrex
Lenny Henry will still be sleeping under the stars. !
Or at Craigside, or the Junction? 😀
It wouldn't surprise me if this project went the same way as the Penmorfa Hotel at West Shore sseing as Mostyn Estates are involved. Hope they don't leave the former Llandudno YC as long as they have the hotel
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Exactly !
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I admit I wonder why they don't simply demolish the old hotel then rebuild the façade as it was. After all, it's the look of the place that usually gets it listed, so providing they used materials as close as possible to the original and kept the design the same it might be okay.
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I admit I wonder why they don't simply demolish the old hotel then rebuild the façade as it was. After all, it's the look of the place that usually gets it listed, so providing they used materials as close as possible to the original and kept the design the same it might be okay.
That’s exactly what they did with the old Davies Shop at the back of Clinton Cards on Somerset Street Ian.
and Hugo the Penmorfa has been left derelict quite deliberately and legally so that Anwyl will qualify for a huge tax break when they build on the site. I’m not sure but I think it takes 5 years to meet the requirements.
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I admit I wonder why they don't simply demolish the old hotel then rebuild the façade as it was. After all, it's the look of the place that usually gets it listed, so providing they used materials as close as possible to the original and kept the design the same it might be okay.
That’s exactly what they did with the old Davies Shop at the back of Clinton Cards on Somerset Street Ian.
and Hugo the Penmorfa has been left derelict quite deliberately and legally so that Anwyl will qualify for a huge tax break when they build on the site. I’m not sure but I think it takes 5 years to meet the requirements.
Thanks Blongb that's very interesting to hear. $good$
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Is the Royal hotel on our list,if not im nominating it.
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Is the Royal hotel on our list,if not im nominating it.
Without a doubt; still no sign of a buyer and deteriorating rapidly. :(
I will update the list properly when I get some time.
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Just walked past not 10mins.ago, it is visibly rotting, trees half blown down and the frontage had no less than 8 cars parked there. The cars certainly make it look less derelict ! :o
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They might be staying in the Travelodge.
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Grand Theatre: Trust hold 'positive' talks with Heritage Lottery Fund
Published date: 29 April 2015 |
Published by: Dean Jones
A TRUST looking to restore the former Grand Theatre held “positive” talks with Heritage Lottery Fund officials last week.
The Pioneer revealed that Mark Pavey, working on behalf of the Llandudno Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust, met with HLF representatives on Thursday, April 23, in what he said was an “encouraging” meeting.
He said: “The meeting went really well and we will now be submitting an application in regards to getting funding to hopefully acquire the site.
“The representatives were impressed with our plans for the theatre, and we were encouraged to set up the new body for the building, which is good news going forward.”
Mr Pavey also revealed that fundraising will now begin to raise the ten per cent needed to submit an application.
The initial funding will enable the trust to form an organisation that will produce a strategy for the project, with the view to eventually running the former Grand Theatre site on Mostyn Broadway.
The Trust is currently in negotiations with the online bidder who purchased the Grade II listed building for £140,000 at auction last month, with the sale expected to be completed “any day”, according to Mr Pavey.
Most recently the Broadway Boulevard, the site has been unoccupied since July 2013 and its condition has been deteriorating ever since.
The proposed restoration will see the theatre become a prominent feature of Llandudno once again, with the trust planning to install a digital cinema projection system, with a view to showing blockbuster movies at weekends.
Plans also include a restaurant to subsidise the theatre, something that “impressed” HLF officials, according to Mr Pavey.
Conwy County Council has yet to confirm it has placed enforcement notices on the building.
http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/147351/grand-theatre-trust-hold-positive-talks-with-heritage-lottery-fund.aspx (http://northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/147351/grand-theatre-trust-hold-positive-talks-with-heritage-lottery-fund.aspx)
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This is very interesting, and positive, news for the Grand Theatre:
Broadway Boulevard purchase was decision of the "heart"
17:18, 21 MAY 2015
BY OWEN HUGHES
New owners now want the community to help them decide what to do with the old Grand Theatre site that has been closed since 2013
The new owners of the former Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno say they will work with the community to decide what to do with the “iconic” site.
MBI Hotels, part of the MBI Consulting group, have bought the landmark Grand Theatre for £140,000 but said their purchase was a decision of the “heart” rather than their normal commercial deals.
The nightspot closed in June 2013 after parent company Atmosphere Bars and Clubs went into administration.
The Grand Theatre site - a Grade II listed building was initially put on the market for £750,000 but this was reduced £500,000 last year.
It then sold at auction with Allsops in London for £140,000 in March and yesterday the Daily Post confirmed MBI had bought the site.
Simon Moppett, the managing director at MBI Hotels, said they were now open to various options for the site as some type of community facility, including the possibility of bringing back a nightclub if that is what people wanted.
The company is behind the multi-million pound projects to transform the Royal Regency Hotel into the revamped Llandudno Bay Hotel and Spa and the Belmont into the Heritage Hotel but said their plans here would be for a community facility.
He said: “This is not like our normal investments which are hotels and care homes.
"There is history with this site, our overall MD met his wife here and I have also worked for the company that once ran the club, so this is very much personal.
“Llandudno is an easy place to fall in love with and this is an iconic site in the town. We want to be part of preserving all that is special about Llandudno.
“We have an open mind about what we will do with the site and various options will be considered and we are prepared to listen to what the community wants here. It could return as a nightclub if that is what people want.
“This will take time and this will take money but the one thing people can be assured of is that our heart is in the right place.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/broadway-boulevard-purchase-decision-heart-9306588 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/broadway-boulevard-purchase-decision-heart-9306588)
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As far as i know they where all set to re-open the club ,so now they have changed their minds for some reason so i see it as a stalling ploy,so not so good.
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Confused,maybe i should stop looking on the internet,i just saw on facebook that some girl reckons her boyfriend is starting work on the Grand in a week or so,HELP.
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They are due to finish the new bay hotel next week ,maybe they will go straight onto the grand Wrex . Some guys working on the Belmont this morning which they have bought .
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Norm? Who are you saying have bought The Belmont?
I know who it was sold to in January, but there seems to be very different people involved in it now.
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MBI, the company that own the Llandudno Bay Hotel and Spa, also own The Belmont and now the Grand Theatre.
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Does anybody know what is happening with the Washington?
I never see anyone working there but the scaffolding keeps moving around with, in my opinion, no visible progress being made.
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I'm sure the owners of the Llandudno Bay Hotel will be delighted that after spending millions in a very short space of time they are being discussed here under the thread title Local Eyesores.
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They are due to finish the new bay hotel next week ,maybe they will go straight onto the grand Wrex . Some guys working on the Belmont this morning which they have bought .
I was told a few weeks ago that the builders employed by MBI are due to move straight onto the Grand Theartre once the Hotel is finished.
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Does anybody know what is happening with the Washington?
I never see anyone working there but the scaffolding keeps moving around with, in my opinion, no visible progress being made.
Yes, it must be getting on for two years now that the 'refurbishment' has been taking place.
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Can anyone tell me if anything has happened to improve the site of the Pier Pavilion which burned down in a fire ages ago?
Helig.
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Can anyone tell me if anything has happened to improve the site of the Pier Pavilion which burned down in a fire ages ago?
Helig.
Take a look on the thread... local eyesores, and that will tell you that sadly, NOTHING has happened in the last 20 years apart from it looking worse than ever!
Certain mayors and politicians have talked a good game about getting things moving as a priority.
But of course they achieve precisely nothing.
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Thanks, Fester,
I suspected as much but had hoped that the council had been shamed into taking action to improve things. It is difficult to see how any reasonable council of a town which has tourism as a key source of income would allow this to continue for so long. I think there needs to be a local action group to campaign vigorously and expose the failure to act. 20 years is inexcusable.
Helig.
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Thanks, Fester,
I suspected as much but had hoped that the council had been shamed into taking action to improve things. It is difficult to see how any reasonable council of a town which has tourism as a key source of income would allow this to continue for so long. I think there needs to be a local action group to campaign vigorously and expose the failure to act. 20 years is inexcusable.
Helig.
In respect of most basic functions the Town council have no bearing on them, they are purely ceremonial, (despite costing us all money).
The County Council who have real responsibility, struggle with even the most basic levels of service on the things they are responsible for.
Any project concerning something as large as the Pier Pavilion site is completely outside the scope and competency levels of those we pay so handsomely to manage such a thing.
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They seem to have fenced off part of Broadway boulavard,i wonder how many years that will sit there
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It won,t be too long Wrex they will want it open so their hotel,s guests have somewhere to go .
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They seem to have fenced off part of Broadway boulavard,i wonder how many years that will sit there
Probably bits of the render falling off again. Hopefully, we will see some basic repairs to the fabric of the building at least this year.
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I asked the question on facebook about Broadway Boulavard and one lady reckons it is being done,i hope so.
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Workmen have now started work at the Boulevard.
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I thought we were going to hear news on the Pier Pavillion weeks ago.
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I thought we were going to hear news on the Pier Pavillion weeks ago.
Everything comes to he who waits, Wrex....
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I thought we were going to hear news on the Pier Pavillion weeks ago.
The plans which were expected to be on the Planning Dept desk several weeks ago, have still not been lodged.
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Waiting and me don;t go,your a long time dead.I want to see these improvement in our beach and town.
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard will open by end of year
Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard will be back open by Christmas with plans for a cash generating music venue to help fund the future regeneration of the Grand Theatre.
Simon Moppett from MBI Consulting - which bought the site for £140,000 in March - took the Daily Post on a tour of the site.
He said they could not continue to let the historic venue lie empty and continue to deteriorate.
Work is now underway to clear up the site with decades worth of waste piled up in the Grand Theatre while water pumping has started in the basement.
They have also removed pigeons from the building and are now set to make the roof watertight to prevent more damage.
“We have not bought the site just to sit on it and allow it to deteriorate further, that is not what we do.
“There will be hybrid of uses, there will be live music and we will also be getting the community in here.
“There will be a mix of things, some that will help us start to bring money in and other uses that will help the community that we can build up over time.
“The longer the building is empty the worse it will become, we need people in here and for the building to be functioning.
MORE AND PHOTOS...http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-open-end-9693506 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-open-end-9693506)
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Not sure if Mostyn estates are just useing the Tudno Castle for the Jazz festival but there are workmen there this morning with drills and things,lats hope its the start.
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Dreaming, wrex.
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Nice one Bri
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Until the other day when I walked past I hadn't realised just how scruffy Venue Cymru has become. Desperate for a clean up and some anti fungal spray on those once white walls.
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blends in quite well with the Grand theater
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blends in quite well with the Grand theater
Strangely it draws you eye away from the Grand. Maybe that's the idea!
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Yesterday was a beautiful sunny day when I had a walk on the West Shore at Llandudno and the only blot on the landscape was this " Arty Farty" sculpture. What a complete waste of money
Even when it was first put there it was awful and should now be confined to Arch Motors scrap yard and that old Water Board building in the background isn't much better either.
Just compare that piece of metal rubbish to the Mussel Sculpture at Conwy Quay.
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Hadn't seen that before, but it does uncannily resemble a prop from a horror movie...
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I'm sure that you are more appreciative of the arts than I am Ian, but just in case you don't fully appreciate the significance of this sculpture have a read of this notice.
I still don't get it, even when I can read what it is meant to be. ???
The Conwy Sculpture on the other hand needs no written explanation whatsoever. $good$
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I love the sculpture on the West Shore it resembles the cycle path,dissapearing fast.
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When that 'sculpture ' first appeared I asked a councillor what it was meant to be and the reply was "A shelter for cyclists". Do you wonder we are in the state we are in?
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All has gone quiet on our towns best eyesores,the pier pavillion,Grand theater,Royal hotel and of course the Tudno Castle ,no news whatsoever.
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I've seen work going on in the Grand Theatre, but just basic repairs, I think.
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I went to Eirias Park today and was disappointed to find the burnt remains of the bonfire scattered over the weed and mud of the disused boating lake.
What was once a magnet to holidaying children is now a sad festering smelly weed and litter covered combination of thick mud and a little water.
It's no wonder Porth Eirias was designed to look the way it does, it was to blend in with the rest of the decay in the surrounding area.
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The Boating Lake area at Eirias Park won't be like that for long as Conwy Council are intending to develop it as a 3G football pitch.
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I remember reading in a planning application a few years ago that the CCBC said that the Great Crested Newts had been "parachuted" into that boating lake so there shouldn't be any development of any kind there unless something has happened in the meantime.
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I remember reading in a planning application a few years ago that the CCBC said that the Great Crested Newts had been "parachuted" into that boating lake so there shouldn't be any development of any kind there unless something has happened in the meantime.
That's interesting, didn't know about that. I wonder how come they are lighting bonfires in the lake now if that's the case ?
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Wish we had some Great Crested Newts up her on Sychnant Pass Road, that would scupper any development on a Greenfield site by greedy developers. There was no mention of GCN's at the recent Council meeting, Hugo.
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There are some Great Crested Newts higher up the road Meleri, pity though that they are not in the area that they are hoping to develop.
The Great Crested Newts should not have been in the boating lake and that is why the planning officer said that "they had been parachuted there" so someone had obviously transported them from their natural habitat to the boating lake.
It must have been about 3 years ago and the recent meeting should have been aware of it. I remember it and so should they have.
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Time fly's
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/parachuted-newts-sway-planners-2198418 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/parachuted-newts-sway-planners-2198418)
According to this so do the newts!
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Thanks Dave for posting the article. $good$
Meleri, keep your eyes open for any on that site.
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The Boating Lake area at Eirias Park won't be like that for long as Conwy Council are intending to develop it as a 3G football pitch.
Wrong.
Conwy CBC has been working for about 2 years with Colwyn Bay Canoe Club, Colwyn Bay Model Boat Club and others to develop a scheme to bring the lake back into use as a recreational lake.
The necessary work has already been agreed at the highest level and a funding decision is expected in the next few weeks.
The refurbishment will include a " wildlife habitat" at the southern end of the lake to encourage natural flora and fauna.
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The Boating Lake area at Eirias Park won't be like that for long as Conwy Council are intending to develop it as a 3G football pitch.
Wrong.
The 4G rugby pitch is replacing the existing football pitch, which is left of the Civic offices, as you look at it.
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard nightclub opening delayed as Trust given chance to buy the site
13:17, 11 DEC 2015
BY OWEN HUGHES
Owners of the site, MBI, said they have their plans on hold until the end of an 'exclusivity' period with the Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust
Broadway Boulevard in Llandudno closed in June last year after its parent firm went into administration. The nightclub was based in the former Grand Theatre, built in 1901.Broadway Boulevard in Llandudno closed in June last year after its parent firm went into administration. The nightclub was based in the former Grand Theatre, built in 1901.
Plans to re-open Broadway Boulevard as a nightclub have been delayed with a buildings trust group offered the opportunity to buy the site.
Simon Moppett from MBI Consulting - which bought the site at auction for £140,000 in March - had previously said he hoped to open the nightspot at the Grand Theatre by Christmas to meet local demand for a large club in the town.
But while proposals to develop a new club have been drawn up by nightclub designers GMP Designs, MBI say they have offered the Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust an opportunity to take the Grade II listed site off their hands.
Mr Moppett said an exclusivity deal with the Trust is in place until the end of January.
The nightclub closed back in June 2013.
He said if the Trust were not at a stage to do a deal at that point they would move ahead themselves with plans for a nightclub, restaurant and bar at the site, although added he was happy to keep working with the group.
He added: “If the building is bought from us then what happens to the theatre will be in the hands of the trust.
“If we still own the building after January we will move ahead with plans to create a nightclub, bar and restaurant.
“The plans are being drawn up by GMP Designs, which undertook the previous refits on the nightclub.
“The club scene has dwindled in recent years and the building needs to be in use seven days a week. Under our own plans the club would come first then the restaurant in the area close to the old front entrance of the club.
"We also want a bar area that as well as serving the club could be open on the evenings the nightclub is closed.
"There would also be an over 30s area in the balcony space.
“Long term we would like to build a first floor to host weddings and open up the ornate ceilings.”
He said a price with the trust had been agreed but would remain confidential.
Mark Pavey, from the Trust, said they were working as hard as they can to develop a viable plan for the site.
He said they wanted something sustainable that balanced the community need with a commercial aspect.
Mark said they were working with architects Purcell, the Natural Building Centre and the Prince’s Regeneration Trust.
He added: “It’s about giving the local population opportunity to experience a positive night time economy and independent music/theatre/cinema by engaging creatives and encouraging them to stay in the area rather than the usual brain drain.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-opening-10585542 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-opening-10585542)
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There is a report here that another tenant is close to being announced for one of the remaining units at the Tudno Castle. The national restaurant chain isn't named so we will have to wait and see who they are when the lease is formally signed and then made public. And it says in the article that with this further signing that work will start in March. Let's not hold our breath, but positive news at least!!
https://bdaily.co.uk/hospitality/18-12-2015/national-restaurant-to-open-at-opus-norths-llandudno-hotel-development/
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There is a report here that another tenant is close to being announced for one of the remaining units at the Tudno Castle. The national restaurant chain isn't named so we will have to wait and see who they are when the lease is formally signed and then made public. And it says in the article that with this further signing that work will start in March. Let's not hold our breath, but positive news at least!!
https://bdaily.co.uk/hospitality/18-12-2015/national-restaurant-to-open-at-opus-norths-llandudno-hotel-development/
Well spotted, Greyhound! $good$ Interesting to see that there a few national restaurant chains with their eyes on Llandudno.
It also says that completion is scheduled for Summer 2017.
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I noticed the other day that MBI had Roofing Contractors working at the Grand Theatre, at least they are trying to prevent further deterioration.
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Speaking of the Grand Theatre, i walked past it earlier and it looks as though they are pumping water out of the cellars, must have flooded with the recent rain.
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As reported on here Broadway Boulavaed has supposedly been sold and at no stage whatsoever did MBI approach the Trust in respect of offering them it
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It will be interesting to see if the new owners are committed enough to spend real money on properly renovating the building or will just try to reopen it on the cheap, doing a minimum of work? ?{}?
Nightclub firm's bid to buy Broadway Boulevard in Llandudno accepted by owners
15:57, 3 FEB 2016 UPDATED 15:58, 3 FEB 2016
BY OWEN HUGHES
The deal for the nightclub - which closed in 2013 - is now in the hands of solicitors
A bid from a bar and nightclub group to buy Broadway Boulevard in Llandudno has been accepted.
Sources told the Daily Post in January that an offer had been put to owners MBI Consulting - which bought the Grand Theatre site at auction for £140,000 (plus VAT and seller's fee) in March last year.
Now MBI have confirmed this offer has been accepted and the deal is now in the hands of the solicitors of both parties.
The offer is in the region of the total paid by MBI last year.
Simon Moppett, from MBI, said: “We can now confirm a bid has been made and has been accepted. This is now in the hands of solicitors.
“We can’t name the group that have made the offer at this stage but they do currently own other nightclub and bar venues.”
The nightclub closed back in June 2013 and there have been local demands for a new club to re-open in the town.
Originally the building, which has a Grade II listing, was the Grand Theatre which became nationally famous during the Second World War as the popular radio show ITMA (It’s That Man Again) featuring comedian Tommy Handley was broadcast from there.
And before becoming a nightclub it had been home to a repertory company which staged a wide variety of plays.
MBI had previously said they hoped to re-open the nightspot . Plans were drawn up for a revamp.
They then said they were also in conversation with the Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust about an opportunity for them to take the Grade II listed site off their hands.
The Trust has said they were never in a position to take on the site but were happy to work with the owners.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/nightclub-firms-bid-buy-broadway-10832197 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/nightclub-firms-bid-buy-broadway-10832197)
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Hope this new lot have deep pockets as it will take a lot to get it open ,so much talk off this mbi did they realise they took on too much . Let's not forget it isn't their money .
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Plans to demolish Llandudno youth centre to build apartments expected to be refused
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/158236/plans-to-demolish-llandudno-youth-centre-to-build-apartments-expected-to-be-refused.aspx#.VrPR6yqGqSw.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/158236/plans-to-demolish-llandudno-youth-centre-to-build-apartments-expected-to-be-refused.aspx#.VrPR6yqGqSw.email)
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As reported on here Broadway Boulavaed has supposedly been sold and at no stage whatsoever did MBI approach the Trust in respect of offering them it
This Llandudno Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust seems to be a bit of an odd outfit. They've only ever done one project and that was 14 years ago??! Perhaps they have spent the last 14 years preparing a masterplan to rebuild the Pier Pavilion...?
http://opencharities.org/charities/1066187 (http://opencharities.org/charities/1066187)
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The proposed refusal of planning at the Llandudno Youth Centre is interesting and I'm pleased to see CCBC are opposing this as I'm sure something more suitable than 3 story apartments could be suggested. Also pleased CCBC have taken on board the potential adverse effects on neighbouring properties in terms of lack of privacy & daylight if they were built. Pity CCBC didn't take the same stance with other developments such as Sychnant Pass Road, Conwy where over 20 dwellings mostly bungalow will suffer gross loss of privacy and daylight. These developers are jumping on the bandwagon of trying to build on unsuitable none LDP sites off the back of a lack of current housing land supply. Conwy County ratepayers paid over 1 million on the Land Development Plan and now after less than 2 years are breaking it. So I find it quite refreshing to see they are finally putting the LDP to good use and refusing a gross over development on the Llandudno site.
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Actually the apartments are being refused not for being an over-development, nor mainly due to overlooking. They were recommended due to the flooding risk not being sufficiently mitigated and that the design was not modern enough. The planners thought the design would be too much of a Victorian pastiche and they would prefer a more contemporary design, similar to that at the McCarthy and Stone development on Gloddaeth Street.
The land is earmarked for housing in the plan, so that's not an issue.
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Greyhound in the Conclusions by CCBC Planning Committee they state what I have said above, but also mention the flood risk mitigation you have stated, amongst other things. I agree it should be in keeping with the area, so it looks like it's back to the drawing board as it has been allocated for much needed housing. You obviously know far more about the case than I do.
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This Llandudno Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust seems to be a bit of an odd outfit.
You could say that. Back in the 80s/90s the same couple of people formed numerous organisations, charities and businesses.
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All talk, no action and most certainly no money!
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There's a very useful site: endole.co.uk.
This provides much information free of charge on all companies. The Llandudno Seaside Preservation Trust Ltd has two directors currently - quite a few have left over the years. Those interested can check out the details on the site.
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Always told that the buildin was left to the people of Llandudno yet it seems to be in Mostyn estates hands
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Always told that the buildin was left to the people of Llandudno yet it seems to be in Mostyn estates hands
They probably own the Freehold, I suspect. That Enclosure Act of 1849 still puzzles me....how can ownership of 832 acres of common land be handed over from the people to an already hugely wealthy family?
Some info about it here:
http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-enclosure-britain (http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-enclosure-britain)
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There's a very useful site: endole.co.uk.
This provides much information free of charge on all companies. The Llandudno Seaside Preservation Trust Ltd has two directors currently - quite a few have left over the years. Those interested can check out the details on the site.
Thanks for this link Cambrian. Interesting to see how little local businesses seem to have in their funds ! :o
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Has Grand hotel made the list yet
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Has Grand hotel made the list yet
It's being considered for inclusion... ;D
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Has Grand hotel made the list yet
I've mentioned it on here many times.
Many who visit the pier are mortified by The Grand's deteriorating condition... they think it closed down years ago!
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I believe some guests are beginning to get the same impression...
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The Grand is in a very tricky situation at present. The cost of running it must be phenomenal, yet it is being sold as a budget/coach hotel. It could, potentially, be upgraded completely to a 4 star hotel, but the big problem then would be the lack of car parking for guests - a big no-no these days.
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It could be partially remedied if they were to introduce valet car parking or even a 24/7 hotel to car park service that was properly staffed.
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Good idea there Ian, but where? The nearest proper car park would be York Road or Maelgwyn Road and during the summer they are often full and people are hiking along from West Shore to get into town.
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whopeeeeeeeeee Tudno castle has begun
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Good idea there Ian, but where? The nearest proper car park would be York Road or Maelgwyn Road and during the summer they are often full and people are hiking along from West Shore to get into town.
I was thinking along the lines of some investment - perhaps in a multi-storey car park that could be shared between the hotels.
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whopeeeeeeeeee Tudno castle has begun
Is this for definite? (We've had too many false dawns for me to believe it could finally be possible!) Not going into town for a few days, so interested to know what's going on. Hoardings going up or demolition crew on site then?
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Scaffolding going up
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Yep, Ray Seager Scaffolding had it half scaffolded by mid afternoon.... lots of guys on-site.
Its going to be great!
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Yep, Ray Seager Scaffolding had it half scaffolded by mid afternoon.... lots of guys on-site.
Its going to be great!
Great news! The Tudno Castle has been a prominent eyesore for far too long.
Now...how long before we see signs of activity on the Pier Pavilion site? :Sisyphus:
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With no action on cleaning up our beach and Pier Pavillion left unkept how have CCBC got the nerve to pull aside a local buisness and tell them to pull down two small signs.
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With no action on cleaning up our beach and Pier Pavillion left unkept how have CCBC got the nerve to pull aside a local buisness and tell them to pull down two small signs.
Have to agree; they only seem prepared to take on people why they think can be bullied into submission. &shake&
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Good idea there Ian, but where? The nearest proper car park would be York Road or Maelgwyn Road and during the summer they are often full and people are hiking along from West Shore to get into town.
Wasn't there talk of a car park being part of the redevelopment plans for the Pier Pavilion site? Maybe if the Grand Hotel contributed to the cost the plans may progress a bit more quickly?
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Grand hotel use it as a dumping ground and they can;t even afford to paint their hotel let alone paying towardsgetting rid of their own personal skip.
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Washington is a strange one,all talk about landlord of the Penrhyn Arms taking over the side bar but as we know nothing has been done inside over 4 years,very weird situation
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Grand hotel use it as a dumping ground and they can;t even afford to paint their hotel let alone paying towardsgetting rid of their own personal skip.
Yes; the Grand is certainly the ultimate 'fixer-upper' and would take a substantial investment. But its position is superb and one of the big hotel chains, possibly, might view it as something of an investment. But the parking is key - I agree.
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I did hear tales of one of the large hotel chains filling their rooms with refugees and some hoo-ha about them complaining that they weren't being given the same food as the paying guests. In days gone by the Grand was part of this chain, but I am not up to date with it's present owners.
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Britannia hotels
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I know that...you know that. ......but is it still owned by them? It seems to have had a fair few owners since Butlins had it.
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I know that...you know that. ......but is it still owned by them? It seems to have had a fair few owners since Butlins had it.
Yes, it's still a Brittania, as were the ones named in the Asylum seekers news story.
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$Roofing firm on Broadway Boulavard,something is going on.
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$Roofing firm on Broadway Boulavard,something is going on.
Yes, I saw that massive yellow Access Platform there yesterday. Hopefully, the start of work beginning.
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Still working on it today DaveR we need you to go round snooping,find ou who they are working for,special agent.
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Was;nt sure if roofers on Broadway Boulavard where there just as part of a survey team but yesterday they where working above the garage replacing damaged slates so that looks positive.
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Quite a few contractors working on the Boulevard today, things are moving along.
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Did nt see any doors open DaveR but I niticed vans everywhere I think they where all in venue cymru for something,i don't think they where in Broadway
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There has been a Catering event at Venue Arena.
However, I did see a few workmen at the Grand Theatre.
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Did nt see any doors open DaveR but I niticed vans everywhere I think they where all in venue cymru for something,i don't think they where in Broadway
The front doors were open and someone was working on them, there was also electricians working round the side. $good$
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Sorry DaveR,i see Mr B;s is being worked on again,i wonder what this time.
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Sorry DaveR,i see Mr B;s is being worked on again,i wonder what this time.
When was the last time someone had a successful business there?!
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Sorry DaveR,i see Mr B;s is being worked on again,i wonder what this time.
When was the last time someone had a successful business there?!
Pars, Persian restaurant used to be there..... it was great.... but couldn't survive due to the owners ill health.
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I've been told it's been bought by a prominent hotelier from North Parade and will be a Resturant ready to open for the new season. I just hope he doesn't have problems with his signage.
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22 years last week since this absolute tragedy robbed us of the Pier Pavilion... STILL not a damn thing being done to improve the site.
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It's a disgrace and the Council should be thoroughly ashamed of their lack of action and failure to address this matter. It would be a slap in the face for the town if the freeholders of the site could benefit from the Council's incompetence.
The same goes for the Penmorfa site which hasn't been developed in the 7 or so years since planning was originally granted for the erection of apartments.
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How time flies, we stayed at the Esplanade for Valentines week end and left on the day of the fire. We had a walk up to the ski slope in the afternoon and could smell burning as we walked passed but could,nt see any sign of smoke, it was on the news when we got home that the pavilion was on fire. Its hard to believe that was twenty two years ago Still think the sight would make a good underground car park
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Snowcap are you telling us you could have saved us from that mess for the last 22 years had you reported the smell.omg
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How time flies, we stayed at the Esplanade for Valentines week end and left on the day of the fire. We had a walk up to the ski slope in the afternoon and could smell burning as we walked passed but could,nt see any sign of smoke, it was on the news when we got home that the pavilion was on fire. Its hard to believe that was twenty two years ago Still think the sight would make a good underground car park
Remember watching it go up
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It's a disgrace and the Council should be thoroughly ashamed of their lack of action and failure to address this matter. It would be a slap in the face for the town if the freeholders of the site could benefit from the Council's incompetence.
The same goes for the Penmorfa site which hasn't been developed in the 7 or so years since planning was originally granted for the erection of apartments.
Any idea's what the council should do ????
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It's a disgrace and the Council should be thoroughly ashamed of their lack of action and failure to address this matter. It would be a slap in the face for the town if the freeholders of the site could benefit from the Council's incompetence.
The same goes for the Penmorfa site which hasn't been developed in the 7 or so years since planning was originally granted for the erection of apartments.
Any idea's what the council should do ????
The Council is the so called expert and after 22 years it should surely have overcome any problems with the site and freeholder, so any idea I have is irrelevant.
With regard to the Penmorfa Hotel this is different and there you have a builder using loopholes in the Planning Regulations to play for time. I'm still awaiting a reply from the CCBC to a request I've made under the FOI Act and will be interested to see the reply. I've asked specific questions and expect specific answers and not ones which fudge the issue.
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Snowcap are you telling us you could have saved us from that mess for the last 22 years had you reported the smell.omg
The Pavilion could not have been saved, even if the Fire Service were called out straight away. 22 septate seats to the Arson, each one with sufficient intensity to destroy the building on its own. My source:- The North Wales arson investigating Fire Officer.
He categorically proved it was deliberate Arson, but just because Mr David Taylor of 11 Castle Street Worcester WR1 3AD (Warwickshire Property Services Ltd.) owned and had the most to gain from the total destruction of the Pavilion, no proof of any wrong doing by him was ever found, nor do I suggest any now 22 years later. The culprit was never found and brought to justice.
That's when the Council should have acted and used the full force of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 c.8 Part VIII, which gave them the ability to force Mr Taylor to restore the Pavilion or Bankrupted him for failing to do so.
We lost a Grade II listed building, which even now CADW has done nothing to protect. Our do nothing County Council have finally incorporated the site into the Hotel Habitation Zone instead of keeping it in the Amenities Zone so some day soon, someone will put a plan in to build another unnecessary Hotel on the site which will totally destroy the character of this end of the Bay
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That's a perfect summary of the situation Blongb. Deliberate arson, the building was under insured and the Council do absolutely nothing to rectify the matter.
Then to add fuel to the fire (if you excuse the pun) they reclassify the site and the outcome could be that the freeholder could benefit from the Councils incompetence.
Who said crime doesn't pay?
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Can't have been a very professional Arsonist if he left clear evidence it was arson?
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Are there 'professional arsonists'?
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Are there 'professional arsonists'?
I believe there are. Take a look at Brighton West Pier for a good example, which suffered two devastating fires in short succession in 2003, despite the fact that the pier was completely inaccessible from dry land at the time!
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It has happened in the Conwy and Denbigh areas in recent years when builders have made an application to demolish a listed building in order to build an apartment block.
When the Council has refused the application the building has mysteriously burnt down.
Like I've said already, who said crime doesn't pay?
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It has happened in the Conwy and Denbigh areas in recent years when builders have made an application to demolish a listed building in order to build an apartment block.
When the Council has refused the application the building has mysteriously burnt down.
Like I've said already, who said crime doesn't pay?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-18032686 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-18032686) ;)
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That was one of the ones in the Denbigh area that I was aware of. Had many a good evening in the Grange when it was a popular pub Z**
I drove past it yesterday but didn't take any notice of what it was like now.
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I don't think this one has featured previously but It's time the A470 was added, especially from the roundabouts between St David's College entrance. The amount of rubbish, particularly from McDonalds, is disgusting. I would commend anyone who set up a hidden video camera and caught the offenders . Shame on them all.
If council funding is so short that we can't afford to clear it up perhaps McDonalds would like to employ someone to do so now and again?
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I do think McDonalds and other fast food outlets should contribute towards the cost of cleaning up their litter.
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard could reopen as nightclub by summer
Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard could be open by the summer after contracts were exchanged with a nightclub operator.
Owners MBI Consulting – which bought the Grand Theatre site at auction for £140,000 (plus VAT and sellers fee) in March last year – accepted an offer for the club in February.
Now, after a period of due diligence, contracts have been exchanged with the interested party.
The buying firm – which has not yet been revealed – now has a period of 12 weeks to complete the payment for the club.
Simon Moppett, from MBI, said: “Now we are just waiting for completion.
“The buyer is fully aware of the issues with the building
“The new operator plans to reopen the site as a nightclub and I believe they will move quickly once the deal is complete.
“It could open in weeks after the completion goes through, as the operator knows this industry and will not want the building lying empty for long.”
The nightclub closed in June 2013 and there have been local calls for a new club to reopen in the town.
MBI had originally said it hoped to open the site as a club and bar in time for last Christmas, but later said they were in discussions to sell the nightclub.
An offer was made to MBI in January and accepted the following month.
The listed building was originally the Grand Theatre, which was nationally famous in World War II as the popular radio show ITMA was broadcast from there.
John Lawson-Reay, from the Seaside Buildings Preservation Trust, said they were happy to work with whoever owns the site but that they were not in a position to take on the Grand Theatre.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-could-reopen-11097057 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-could-reopen-11097057)
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This is fantastic news for all pubs in Llandudno who have seen a massive downturn in people coming into town at the weekends with Bangor and Chester getting all the trade,im personally pleased for all the young people left in Llandudno to have somewhere to go on a Saturday.
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Looks like Mostyn estates and Opus north are about to miss their march start,besides erecting scaffold all has gone quiet again
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It was good to see the scaffold go up on the Tudno Castle and we all thought that this time it was all systems go,a promise of a march start was on the cards,hey ho middle of april and zilch,how Prezzo have put up with delay after delay is beyond me.
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Has anybody else seen the new bin on the PromAnade
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How long till they get blown over, pushed over, filled with "pebbles" or washed into the sea?
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You would think that the bins would be bolted down at least, I wonder if CCBC has done that.
The second photo brought back some memories and I can remember being able to walk underneath the bandstand but there is no chance now due to the rocks on the beach
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The second photo brought back some memories and I can remember being able to walk underneath the bandstand but there is no chance now due to the rocks on the beach
There are 19 steps down to what was beach level, that are now covered by the stones. SOS have gone very quiet and crafty CCBC have managed to divert everything into committees so that nothing will change. Remember who voted for the stones and when the elections come around next month VOTE THEM OUT. $angry$
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I think that my views on the beaches are quite clear so I'm not going to go on about them but how did the CCBC get the two beaches so wrong?
Personally when I was a teenager I preferred the pebbly beach at Craig Y Don as the water got deeper quickly and visibility for swimming under water was better but at times I would go to the sandy stretch by the Lifeboat slipway for a change. Now unfortunately that choice has been taken away.
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I walked down Caroline Road and noticed that part of the former Llandudno Youth Centre had been demolished, not a pretty site for the residents of the street to have to look at.
I haven't seen any planning application to demolish part of the building it but I expect that I have missed seeing the application. It doesn't look too safe either with holes in the roof.
Will it go the same way as the Penmorfa Hotel and just left to deteriorate and then apply for demolition?
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I believe Tudno Castle is supposed to start next week,we will see.
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Haven't seen any flying pigs Wrex, fingers crossed. !
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I noticed the other day that the Grand Theatre/Broadway Boulevard has had a new coat of paint on its doors and lower drainpipes. I'm hoping this will be followed by several hundred thousands pounds worth of proper repairs to the crumbling facade at the higher levels... ?{}?
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard nightclub will open this month.
The Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno will re-open this month the club’s new owners have revealed.
Enigma Leisure has bought the Grand Theatre site from MBI Consulting and are now close to completing the revamp of the nightclub - which closed in June 2013.
The club will be run by Bijan Sharifian, who had previously run the club for 14 years, and he revealed it will be open “within” the next two weeks.
There have already been significant changes inside the club and workers are currently putting the finishing touches to the interior which will feature four bars, including cocktail and VIP serving areas, and a stage for bands.
They will initially open for three club nights a week but hope to expand that over time.
More than 20 staff are being taken on for the opening.
Bijan, who last managed the club in 2008, said: “I was here for 14 years so know all about the nightclub and I am very excited about being back here and making this a success.
“The club always did well and it was the administration of the parent company that saw it close.
“There is a demand for this in Llandudno and we believe it will be good for the wider Llandudno economy because it will bring more people here for a night out.
“There are those who were clubbing when I was there and earlier and our Wednesday night, called Revivals(the club’s original name) will be a nod to that with retro songs, from the 70s to mid 2000s.
“There will be more of a dance night on the Friday and Saturday will be more universal.”
Enigma said the investment in buying and revamping the site had been “significant”.
Bijan added: “We now want to bring in as many people as we can.
“We are making entrance reasonable, from £3 to £5, because we want this place busy.
“Everything is very nearly in place for the opening, we have our DJs ready to go.
“We are starting with three nights but we also see the potential for other special nights each month, with bands performing. The site will also be available for private hire.”
The listed building was originally the Grand Theatre, nationally famous in World War II as the popular radio show ITMA was broadcast from there.
MBI bought the site last year but earlier this year accepted an offer from Enigma.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-open-11306802 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-open-11306802)
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The Pier Pavilion site isn't looking good at the moment
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard nightclub will open this month.
The Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno will re-open this month the club’s new owners have revealed.
Enigma Leisure has bought the Grand Theatre site from MBI Consulting and are now close to completing the revamp of the nightclub - which closed in June 2013.
The club will be run by Bijan Sharifian, who had previously run the club for 14 years, and he revealed it will be open “within” the next two weeks.
There have already been significant changes inside the club and workers are currently putting the finishing touches to the interior which will feature four bars, including cocktail and VIP serving areas, and a stage for bands.
They will initially open for three club nights a week but hope to expand that over time.
More than 20 staff are being taken on for the opening.
Bijan, who last managed the club in 2008, said: “I was here for 14 years so know all about the nightclub and I am very excited about being back here and making this a success.
“The club always did well and it was the administration of the parent company that saw it close.
“There is a demand for this in Llandudno and we believe it will be good for the wider Llandudno economy because it will bring more people here for a night out.
“There are those who were clubbing when I was there and earlier and our Wednesday night, called Revivals(the club’s original name) will be a nod to that with retro songs, from the 70s to mid 2000s.
“There will be more of a dance night on the Friday and Saturday will be more universal.”
Enigma said the investment in buying and revamping the site had been “significant”.
Bijan added: “We now want to bring in as many people as we can.
“We are making entrance reasonable, from £3 to £5, because we want this place busy.
“Everything is very nearly in place for the opening, we have our DJs ready to go.
“We are starting with three nights but we also see the potential for other special nights each month, with bands performing. The site will also be available for private hire.”
The listed building was originally the Grand Theatre, nationally famous in World War II as the popular radio show ITMA was broadcast from there.
MBI bought the site last year but earlier this year accepted an offer from Enigma.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-open-11306802 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-nightclub-open-11306802)
Best of luck to them; I just hope that they're not hoping to do it on the cheap without the major repairs needed to the exterior of the building.
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The Pier Pavilion site isn't looking good at the moment
Nor does it smell good ! :o :-X
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard nightclub will open this month.
The Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno will re-open this month the club’s new owners have revealed.
Enigma Leisure has bought the Grand Theatre site from MBI Consulting and are now close to completing the revamp of the nightclub - which closed in June 2013.
Best of luck to them; I just hope that they're not hoping to do it on the cheap without the major repairs needed to the exterior of the building.
My cynical side says no to the "major repairs" that you hope for.
Before Enigma Leisure bought the Grand, MBI talked about using the place for the community, for use by various groups etc , I suspect the Nightclub will be the only thing they are bothered about.
I do not know the layout of this building, is it possible to use other parts ?
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I do not know the layout of this building, is it possible to use other parts ?
Not really, there's a few old dressing rooms and offices on the upper floors, but nothing of any real size, the nightclub takes up 90% of the building
You can see pretty much all of the interior in this tour I did back in 2010:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490)
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I do not know the layout of this building, is it possible to use other parts ?
Not really, there's a few old dressing rooms and offices on the upper floors, but nothing of any real size, the nightclub takes up 90% of the building
You can see pretty much all of the interior in this tour I did back in 2010:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490)
I have to say that after looking at the state of the building and the air con. work, the last lot were not interested in the building and unfortunately I think Enigma will be the same.
Your photo album is a great record albeit a little sad, but a great job. well done
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Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard revamp revealed as club to open on Friday
The Broadway Boulevard nightclub in Llandudno will re-open on Friday after nearly three years.
Enigma Leisure, which bought the Grand Theatre site from MBI Consulting earlier this year, have been working “around the clock” to get the club ready to open for the Bank Holiday weekend.
This week they gave the Daily Post a tour of the site as workers put the finishing touches to the nightspot before the opening.
More and photos. http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-revamp-revealed-11360978 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/llandudnos-broadway-boulevard-revamp-revealed-11360978)
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I haven't seen any work going on at the Washington for about six months now, it's all very odd. It's been left half painted, have the owners run into financial problems?
I see that several enforcement notices have been served by the HSE against the Washington's owner, Fu Lee:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/notices/notices/notice_list.asp?ST=N&SN=F&EO=%3D&SF=RID&SV=4404834 (http://www.hse.gov.uk/notices/notices/notice_list.asp?ST=N&SN=F&EO=%3D&SF=RID&SV=4404834)
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Mostyn Estates have put in a new full application for the former Youth Centre, Llandudno. There is a lot more detail this time and excellent 3D images and a 32 page Design & Access Statement, which locals may find an interesting read.These can be viewed on the CCBC Planning website Reference No 0/43072.
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Thanks for posting that Meleri, it was quite interesting to read and it may generate an objection or two to the planning application.
They do say in the application that no work has been undertaken yet, so I suppose those demolished buildings at the rear that I photographed must have just fallen down by themselves.
I can't remember from my time at the Youth Centre if there was an asbestos used there but the application says that no hazardous materials are on site so perhaps none was used.
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Looks like we might have movement at last at the Gogarth Abbey (larger than originally proposed though).
https://twitter.com/d2architects/status/776751394569261056?lang=en-gb
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I believe that the original application was for 25 apartments but when Anwyl failed to stop the original part from deteriorating it was increased to 29 apartments.
Now after many years of no activity on the site they want 50 apartments. I hope the CCBC make the extra 21 apartments affordable for local people and set a time limit on the completion of this site.
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This is just greed. Does West Shore need more homes for the elderly and is the inferstructure in place to support them ?
Well said Hugo, give the young ones a chance to get on the housing ladder.
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Well wondered when they would start ,isn't it true they don't have to pay such a tax after so many years ,and can you see locals able to afford them prices doubt it . How many locals own the ones on the north shore ( Dorchester ) Bedford hotels None .
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I have heard stories about the tax aspect Norman but don't really know much about it. Perhaps the "drain" that Anwyl originally laid some years back is part of the firm's plan to delay the building of the apartments.
If CCBC give the go ahead to it then their plan as devious as it is has worked.
What I can't understand is that CCBC insist on a certain percentage of houses being affordable but that should apply to apartments too. When I mean affordable, I mean affordable to local young people. OK Anwyl are in business to make a profit but the CCBC should protect the interests of local people and ensure that the prices of the properties are within the reach of local working people
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To suggest that prices should be deliberately reduced to make them affordable to local people is naïve, they will simply be solder faster to second home owners and 'buy to let' landlords. A better solution would be a Section 106 Residency Restriction, in that they could only be purchased by local people that met certain criteria. However, (why is there always a 'however'....) there are devious ways around such restrictions and the restrictions can make it difficult for potential local purchasers to obtain mortgages and the suggestion that restrictions might be applied can put off developers. Alternatively, there are market forces.... or an eyesore.....
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The additional Council Tax revenue for 50 apartments would be significant - around £100k a year extra for council funds.
It's interesting the unintentional ageism that creeps into comments about such developments. Apartments are always regarded as being for 'the elderly', whilst affordable housing is always for 'young people'. There are plenty of poor elderly people out there who would love to live in a nice apartment, I'm sure! On the other hand, young families need a house & garden, not an apartment surely? ???
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I always think it's so presumptuous when people say 'no locals' live in places like the Dorchester Apartments and the like. How many people in Llandudno were even born in Wales (just over 50%). If you think about the people who were born here, how many had both parents who were? 'Local' is a pretty subjective term.
Also, why should all houses always be starter homes? Many have been built in Llandudno Junction and Colwyn Bay over recent years. And what is 'affordable'. You can't buy a new house for less that 100k these days, but you could probably buy a flat, but then young families might not want to live in a flat, the would want a home and I doubt many would choose to live in a home by the start of the Marine Drive. It's all relative.
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Anwyl Construction paid I believe £2,4 M for the site in 2006 after an application for 25 apartments was granted, then in 2008 they made a further application to demolish the main building and erect 29 flats. Since the demolition was carried out nothing has been done on the site and it has remained an eyesore for over 8 years .
For £2.4 M plus interest to remain outstanding on anyone's budget must be an enormous strain on the company and I think that Anwyl's application for 50 flats is their way of recovering their outlay.
What I object to is companies like this who use ever loophole in the system to get what they want. It is the CCBC who run the planning and not the building companies.
Now what is wrong in insisting on the company including affordable flats. There must be a demand for one bedroomed flats or studio apartments. Nowadays many people, old and young alike live on their own as do couples both young and old alike and some may wish to get on the property ladder or have no use for a second bedroom. Why deny them that right when the planning legislation is in force to impose it on the builder.
Bosun To suggest that prices should be deliberately reduced to make them affordable to local people is naïve. It would be if I had suggested that because market forces dictate the price of properties, but what I had in mind is what I've said about the one bedroomed apartments. I do like your suggestion though, that a better solution would be a Section 106 Residency Restriction, in that they could only be purchased by local people that met certain criteria but as you say there are problems there too.
DaveR The additional Council Tax revenue for 50 apartments would be significant - around £100k a year extra for council funds. If that is all that matters then what about increasing the apartments to 100 or 150. But it is not all about money
As for young families need a house & garden, not an apartment surely? ??? I've not mentioned families only young people so I can't comment on that
Greyhound I was interested in your comment "I always think it's so presumptuous when people say 'no locals' live in places like the Dorchester Apartments" I'm afraid that you have a lot more knowledge than myself on the matter so just as a matter of interest can you tell me how many "locals" and also non "locals" live there so it'll settle any argument that may arise in the future.
Just to enlighten you on starter homes, it's part of the Planning Policy for CCBC and not all homes built have to be starter homes just a percentage,
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I walked past the Castle Hotel in Llandudno today and it's a mess and getting worse by the day so it's very reassuring to hear Edward Hillier confirm that work on it will start before Christmas.
When he said that work would start, I do hope it's a bit more than laying a pipe into the site like Anwyl Construction did at the Penmorfa site.
It's very promising anyway and the new project may even be completed before we get the Victorian lamps for the Promenade that Mr Hillier has promised
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That place really is an absolute disgrace. Something needs to be done.
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OMG I usually only drive past on my way to the supermarket and hadn't seen how bad it has got. It doesn't look a bit safe.
Don't hold your breath on any promises Hugo. ! :o
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Big trouble with the building is it was never built to any acceptable standard in the first place. Like most of the Victorian builds in the town, it was thrown up in a rush and then covered in a coat of render to hide the shoddy work below. To compound matters in more modern times the Council had them all Grade II listed which put a tremendous burden on all subsequent owners. Mostyn's found out the hard way when they rebuilt the Embassy Building (Bartons) in St. Georges Place. The rumour was they lost around £3M on that rebuild. Very often the only affordable way is to pull every thing down and replace it with a modern build, to a similar, sympathetic, style, i.e. the Victoria Centre. We will just have to wait and see which way the Castle goes.
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Blongb, you could be on to something there and despite Mt Hillier's promise of some work to be carried out before Christmas, it wouldn't surprise me if they did find something that would change the planning application.
We'll just have to wait a couple of months and see if the promises are kept.
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Edward Hiller, managing director of landowner Mostyn Estates, said: “Work on the ground will start this side of Christmas.
I walked past this eyesore today and no work seems to have been started on the site and Christmas is coming along fast.
It would be slightly strange if after so many years they allege that there is a problem with the foundations and the whole building must be demolished
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Hugo, at this stage, I would not blame them, even as a layman I can see the buiding is bellying, and as Blonbg said above.....replace it with a modern build but in character with the town.
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Neither would I Steve, it's far easier and cheaper to build from scratch than to make alterations to an existing building and it could still be built in character with the town.
The only problem is that it's a listed building, that's all of it not just the front of it.
You can see how bad it is from the photos though and part of the delay may be due to what Blongb has highlighted.
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I forgot about the listed building aspect..........? And was surprised by the comments about Victorian shoddy builders, I always thought they were craftsmen, must have been Victorian cowboys...... ;)
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I don't suppose that the building regulations in those days were as strict as they are now as they just wanted to get the buildings up as quickly as possible and rendering does cover shoddy work.
The listed aspect though must be a nightmare for builders but they have been overcome in the past
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Knocking it down and rebuilding in a similar style might be the best answer.
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That would be the easiest and most sensible option but you know how the CCBC work.
The Pier Pavilion will face the same type of difficulty, the building itself has gone and all that seems to remain are the remnants of the metal staircases but they are protected apparently.
With regard to the Castle Hotel site we'll just have to wait and see if anything happens before Christmas
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I was in Brookes Street Llandudno earlier today and had a look at another of Mostyn Estates eyesores, namely the old Llandudno Youth Centre.
I was surprised by how much demolition rubbish was stacked up there as I didn't realise that planning permission had been granted for the site.
If it hasn't been granted they can always apply for retrospective planning anyway and get it.
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That's right behind my flat, bloody ugly thing.
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That's not a pretty site to see Tom and it doesn't look much better from Caroline Road either
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Why didn't Mostyn est just demolish all of it to make it tidy at least ,just because the plans were rejected they once again spat the dummy out .
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You know Mostyn Estates Norman, one rule for them and one for the rest of us and perhaps they shouldn't have demolished any of the building, without first of all having planning permission granted.
I read something of interest in the planning application and although I still don't understand it, this is what it said:-
The site is subject to restrictive covenants to the benefit of Mostyn Estates, who are minded to release these, on the basis that the proceeds of sale are solely utilised to fund alternative youth activity in the town of Llandudno.
I'm being cynical but my thoughts were of a few teenagers sharing a burger from the proceeds and eating it in one of those new shelters that have been promised. I hope that I'm wrong because the youth of Llandudno deserve more investment in their activities.
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Interesting story:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-eyesore-house-owner-hit-12248991 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-eyesore-house-owner-hit-12248991)
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I notice that a variation in the conditions of the planning permission granted for the Tudno Castle Hotel has been submitted to CCBC.
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Have you got any link to the Castle Hotel Bri?
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I notice that a variation in the conditions of the planning permission granted for the Tudno Castle Hotel has been submitted to CCBC.
Apparently CCBC aren't too happy about an existing historic building being saved and now want it to be replaced by a 10 screen multiplex cinema covered in bright neon lighting which will double as the town's Christmas lighting for the foreseeable future. To tie in with this development the road network will be overhauled and finally all the boulders will be removed from the North Shore to allow a four lane expressway to be built thus reducing the time taken to reach the new exclusive residential development at the site of the former Pier Pavilion.
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Hugo if you go to the CCBC planning site and click on viewing & commenting on planning applications the 4 application numbers for the Tudno Castle are 0/43392, 0/43394, 0/43395 & 0/43400 which you will have to view separately. The third one is quite interesting as it has minutes from a meeting and the fourth one is regarding Pre demolition sequence etc. $good$
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Hugo, I noticed it on page 64 of today's's NWWN.
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Thanks Meleri and Bri and I'll have a look at the application tomorrow.
OrmeMac, don't go suggesting things like that because CCBC are so stupid they may pinch your ideas. ;D
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Just 19 days left until Christmas and I still have not seen Mr Hiller on the Tudno Castle site or any contractors either to start the work on the site as had been promised.
Perhaps he can say that work has begun by the fact that these planning applications have been made recently but he didn't say that when the promise was made
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I spotted a few scaffolders working briefly on the scaffolding on the side of the building a few days ago. I doubt whether that actually constitutes the "starting work on the site" promised.
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There was a truck and scaffolders at the front of the building yesterday (Tuesday 6th) morning, wearing safety helmets and were looking up at the building! ... also a chap with a camera taking photos of the rear of the building (could that have been one of our forum members!)
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There was a truck and scaffolders at the front of the building yesterday (Tuesday 6th) morning, wearing safety helmets and were looking up at the building! ... also a chap with a camera taking photos of the rear of the building (could that have been one of our forum members!)
Well it wasn't me DVT, but it's good to see something happening even if we are not quite sure what is going on.
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Does this mean that Anwyl Construction will be putting off the Penmorfa Hotel site development for a few more years?
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171353/major-development-of-123-homes-gets-underway-at-south-stack.aspx#.WH1Qua0wIkA.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171353/major-development-of-123-homes-gets-underway-at-south-stack.aspx#.WH1Qua0wIkA.email)
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Don't see why it should necessarily, companies often have multiple sites under development at the same time. Not sure why these homes in Holyhead are being made available through Cartrefi Conwy though!
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We'll just have to wait and see how long it is before any work does start on the Penmorfa Site. While we are on this topic I remembered your previous quote:-
"I always think it's so presumptuous when people say 'no locals' live in places like the Dorchester Apartments and the like."
Do you know the answer or am I just being presumptuous in thinking that perhaps you don't know the answer?
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Well that's Ok then Mr Mathew Anwyl, build your houses and move all the people on to this idyllic agricultural site located close to the famous South Stack Lighthouse. What he doesn't say is it will be near an RSPB bird reserve with some lovely walks nearby, I wonder how that will affect the bird population and visitors to the site. That area is the only thing Holyhead has going for it and he wants to concrete over it to make a fast buck.
Greyhound all new developments have to build a percentage of affordable homes, it's the Golden Ticket to get planning permission from the Council. Developments at Holyhead should be 30%. Anwyl asked the Council in 2015 if they could drop the affordable to make the site more viable, so the amount of affordable housing was reduced from 37 to 22. The builder has to sell the affordable properties for 20% below market value so they hardly make a profit, if at all on them. So the usual ploy is get the permission then once they have it start wriggling out of building the affordable, it's all about profit. &shake&
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Meleri, I'm sorry to have to say it, but you are spot on with what you have said. I was only able to buy my first house because in the 1960's they were building estates with one and two bedroom properties and sometimes a third bedroom property and they were "affordable"
Even then I couldn't get a mortgage until a great guy who was a Building Society manager gave me a chance and I'll always be indebted to Mr F for helping me to get on the property ladder.
It's the young local people I feel sorry for now and wish that they did something for them rather than pay lip service to "affordable housing"
I've received a belated reply from the CCBC regarding some info I was asking about the Penmorfa site but will say something after Greyhound has supplied the info about the numbers of locals and non locals living at the Dorchester apartments.
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Meleri - yeah I realised that about the affordable element, you're right that companies often try and get around it. I was more surprised that Cartrefi Conwy were extending their remit outside the county. I imagined North Wale s Housing Association or similar would be the more likely agency.
Hugo - I really don't see why you are dragging this topic up again months later, it's a bit pointless. I am hardly going to go through the records of each and every person who has moved into these developments to see if they are local or not. That said, I know personally many people who are local who do live in these developments. So, I cannot speak for all but I can speak for some, which to an extent proved my point. But I will allow you to have your moment of superiority, if you want it, in admitting I cannot say for certain for all statistically. Happy now?
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Greyhound, I thought that you knew the facts and I was interested to know the breakdown, but you have proved your point if you know many local people who live in the Dorchester and similar apartments in the town.
My objection to these developers is that you have the scenario where the tail is wagging the dog and not vice versa. CCBC should be determining the situation with affordable housing and not the developers.
What chance have the young people of the area getting a foot on the housing ladder if all the builders are interested in is making a fast buck
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This is from Facebook.....You know you are from Llandudno thread..... and not a pretty site 6 stories high, here we go again
don't know if people have seen these plans? They are the proposed 51 apartments by Anwyl at Penmorfa West Shore Llandudno. This is the consultation stage until the 13th February. The plans are available to see in the library. These are going to replace the old Penmorfa Hotel. You can contact Anwyl to let them know what you think via their website. The plans are on there as well.
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They are the proposed 51 apartments by Anwyl at Penmorfa West Shore Llandudno. This is the consultation stage until the 13th February. The plans are available to see in the library. These are going to replace the old Penmorfa Hotel. You can contact Anwyl to let them know what you think via their website. The plans are on there as well.
Before and after photos via facebook. Wonder if this is being done at CCBC's insistence of modern stuff replacing traditional buildings once again?
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Thanks very much Steve for posting that article on Anwyl and the Penmorfa Hotel site and it just confirms to me why I distrust these developers so much. The circumstances surrounding Anwyl's approach to this development stink as much as the cess pit that lies below the Pier Pavilion site.
In 2006 application was made and granted for demolition of the side annexes of the hotel and erection of 25 apartments with the original building to be retained.
After neglecting to protect the original building Anwyl made an application to demolish the original building on the grounds that it was "not viable" and made an application for 28 apartments.
On 26th June 2008 a letter was issued by CCBC permitting the development. Condition No 1 being that the development shall be begun before the expiration of five years from the date of the permission.
The house was demolished immediately but then no further action was taken until 2013 nearly 5 years later ( 19/5/2013 I believe)) when Anwyl "laid a pipe to the site" and since then no action by Anwyl whatsoever and the land has just been an eyesore for over 12 years in total.
Under the FOI Act I asked CCBC about the pipe and was told that it had been laid and photographed by someone from the CCBC but the pipe had not reached the site of the construction so it was "deemed that the work had not been commenced"
If this was the case then the application in 2008 was out of date.
I have since written to CCBC again and having had no reply I reminded them and this time I was told that work on the site "was deemed to have commenced by the laying of the pipe" So it's a contradiction of what I was told previously!!
Obviously something has gone on behind the scenes but Anwyl like other developers in the town have exploited every loophole they can in order to made a quick profit.
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I have since written to CCBC again and having had no reply I reminded them and this time I was told that work on the site "was deemed to have commenced by the laying of the pipe" So it's a contradiction of what I was told previously!!
Ah, the well-oiled machinery of the highly professional team in CCBC swings into seamless action once again...
And politicians express surprise when survey after survey reveals that no one trusts politicians.
Sadly, there is an attitude of mind around here, which is unlike any I've experienced elsewhere. It's best epitomised by a mental shrug, accompanied by the phrase 'Well, what can anyone do?'. It's an acceptance that nothing can be done, that the world is simply too overwhelming and these things will happen, come what may. We need councillors who will ask the right questions, and not simply accept things - which is what the vast majority of our overpaid cabinet do and what most of the councillors do. CCBC is unfit for purpose.
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Sadly, there is an attitude of mind around here, which is unlike any I've experienced elsewhere. It's best epitomised by a mental shrug, accompanied by the phrase 'Well, what can anyone do?'. It's an acceptance that nothing can be done, that the world is simply too overwhelming and these things will happen, come what may. We need councillors who will ask the right questions, and not simply accept things - which is what the vast majority of our overpaid cabinet do and what most of the councillors do. CCBC is unfit for purpose.
It's not just CCBC, there are other councils of a similar ilk; as well as the well documented and publicly aired problems with Anglesey, there is Pembroke County Council, issues from both of these have reached and been documented in private Eye's 'Rotten Boroughs' on a number of occasions. When a truly independent councillor does get elected and exposing the scandalous goings on within the council, as Jacob Williams did in Pembrokeshire, there are concerted and malicious attempts to destroy them; and it takes a very strong person to fight back. Jacob has documented the abuse of authority in the attempts of PCC to derail him here https://jacobwilliams.com
Fortunately, Jacob Williams and Mike Stoddard have exposed some of the scandalous and corrupt goings on in the council that are now the subject of Police enquiries. But guess what - come election time, those involved in the disgraceful practices still get voted back in. Now why is that I wonder.....?
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It is quite remarkable that what amounts to gross incompetence and skulduggery appears to be alive and well in so many Welsh councils. That blog makes for depressing, if morbidly fascinating, reading.
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The new design is so much in keeping with the original hotel and the previous application for 28 apartments. &shake&
It'll rival the Pier Pavilion for it's inability to fit in to the surroundings.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171704/a-new-chapter-is-on-the-horizon-for-former-penmorfa-hotel-site-in-llandudno.aspx#.WIkrlIxD7fw.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171704/a-new-chapter-is-on-the-horizon-for-former-penmorfa-hotel-site-in-llandudno.aspx#.WIkrlIxD7fw.email)
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The new design is so much in keeping with the original hotel and the previous application for 28 apartments. &shake&
It'll rival the Pier Pavilion for it's inability to fit in to the surroundings.
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171704/a-new-chapter-is-on-the-horizon-for-former-penmorfa-hotel-site-in-llandudno.aspx#.WIkrlIxD7fw.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/171704/a-new-chapter-is-on-the-horizon-for-former-penmorfa-hotel-site-in-llandudno.aspx#.WIkrlIxD7fw.email)
I do not understand the comments from Barry Mortlock...how can this represent Alice ?
Barry Mortlock, co. director of Alice in Wonderland Ltd has said that this development is the “jewel in the crown” for tourism.
”To ourselves, this development is a missing piece in the jigsaw, As much as we are disappointed, we cannot move backwards we can only move forwards.
”It’s so important to tourism in Llandudno that we have the final jewel in the crown. It is important that there is something there to represent Alice.”
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The same Barry Mortlock who rakes it in from charging visitors to go into the Xmas Fayre tents... and charges the people inside for sitting in them?
Yeah, I'm certain he's got the best interests of Llandudno at heart.
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This is a photo of the original building and the new apartments that are next to the site are more in keeping with the old Penmorfa Hotel than this proposed monstrosity.
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Can we just ban the phrase "jewel in the crown" pls.
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He rather mixed his metaphors, calling it 'the missing piece of the jigsaw' as well. I suspect that's a bit more appropriate, since it looks much more like someone's assembled the proposed development from a load of interlocking bits, rather than created a stunning and iconic item of jewellery...
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I agree with Hugo re the Penmorfa site. I think Anwyl are looking to create a monstrosity on the Westshore - they appear to be running rings around CCBC with this development.
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I haven't got a photo of the new apartments that they built near the Penmorfa Hotel but I remember thinking that they fitted in very well with the now demolished building next door.
I wonder what the residents of those new flats think about the proposed Anwyl apartments, I bet that they are not too pleased.
As for the "jewel in the crown" &shake& What a ridiculous statement
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Had a walk along there today with the dog,yes managed to get her out Hugo, the flats they built there do blend in nicely, but I,m sorry if anyone thinks these that they are proposing needs to take a good look ,this town prides its self on the views not a view of a tenement block .
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Quote.. Barry Mortlock, co. director of Alice in Wonderland Ltd has said that this development is the “jewel in the crown” for tourism.
”To ourselves, this development is a missing piece in the jigsaw, As much as we are disappointed, we cannot move backwards we can only move forwards.
”It’s so important to tourism in Llandudno that we have the final jewel in the crown. It is important that there is something there to represent Alice.”
So did Alice look like a block of flats? I've not seen Alice in Wonderland for ages, but I doubt there were any hideous blocks of flats in Wonderland!
What an unwanted 'jewel in the crown' this will be! &shake&
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Had a walk along there today with the dog,yes managed to get her out Hugo, the flats they built there do blend in nicely, but I,m sorry if anyone thinks these that they are proposing needs to take a good look ,this town prides its self on the views not a view of a tenement block .
It's good to hear that you are out and about with your dog Norman, hope that she wants to go out more often now. Yes those apartments do look like "tenaments" and ugly ones at that
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I took a couple of photos of those apartments today that were next door to the Penmorfa Hotel and when they were built the developer must have taken everything into consideration and they fitted in well with their surroundings.
I've copied a photo of the former hotel and it's clear where the developer got his inspiration from.
There is a better photo on Flicker that Dave Roberts took of the hotel from another angle and that shows the apartments in the background and highlights why this proposed development is so much out of character with the original building and surrounding properties.
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Thanks for those Hugo, the apartments are actually quite amazingly like the shape of the old building when it was the hotel.
The plans for the new building look no more like 'the jewel in he crown' than a child's Duplo creation. What a load of rubbish.
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I came across this artist's impression of what Anwyl's previous application for apartments would have looked like. The time limit for starting construction on the site has long expired but they have argued that the demolition and subsequent "laying" of a pipe has deemed that construction has in fact been started.
Why then do they now want to change the plans by increasing the number of apartments by 23 and the number of storeys of the building too.
I don't think that the neighbouring properties will be too pleased
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Good find Hugo.
That looks like a thoughtful design and inkeeping with the area......, were there any complaints at the time it was proposed? ......, and I think something of that design even slightly bigger, would be acceptable now.
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That design you found was much more acceptable Hugo. But as we know building 51 apartments brings in much more revenue for the greedy builder,
who obviously couldn't give a fig for the effect this latest design monstrosity will have on the beautiful West Shore.
Once the consultation is complete Anwyl will be putting in a new planning application as the last one expired 19/8/2016 and is a whole new ball game. I wonder how many affordable properties they intend including?
If anyone is interested The Friends of West Shore are having a meeting at The Lilly on West Shore Monday February 6th at 6pm to discuss the site. They are hoping a representative from Anwyl will attend.
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Looking at the photo again, it looks a big building for 23 flats......
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That's 23 extra flats on top of the 28 that they originally applied for Steve.
Looking at the apartments that have already been built, I do think that a lot of thought and consideration went into them. On the western gable end there appears to be no windows from any living area that overlooked the former Penmorfa Hotel and as such the building would not affect the amenities or privacy of the nearby property.
That cannot be said for Anwyl's latest proposal which has no thought for anyone other than the company, I wonder if the initial outlay of £2.4 million over 10 years ago has driven them to this measure?
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Great to see that extensive repairs are being made to the exterior of Broadway Boulevard:
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On the subject of the hole in the ground eyesore, I lived in this area for three years before noticing it and then I had to walk within yards of it to see it! There is a much bigger eyesore that most citizens and visitors see every day that has been rarely mentioned in any media, what is it?
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On the subject of the hole in the ground eyesore, I lived in this area for three years before noticing it and then I had to walk within yards of it to see it! There is a much bigger eyesore that most citizens and visitors see every day that has been rarely mentioned in any media, what is it?
My stomach Neil?
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No Fester, the eyesores are lower down than your stomach.
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No Fester, the eyesores are lower down than your stomach.
That surprises me!
The standard of the pavements then? Many are very dangerous.
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Yes quite right. No self proclaimed beautiful town can be correct in that statement when the pavements are in such a disgusting state.
The council seem to spend most of their funds on education, why? If children want to know something why can't they ask Siri or Google like I do?
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Hidden third floor of Llandudno's Broadway Boulevard could be reopened
The historic theatre, which opened as a nightclub last summer following a three year closure, is currently undergoing an external revamp.
Since opening, the club has proved a success and the new owners are now committed to re-investing money into the site.
This has seen them spending on an external revamp with painting and window refurbishment being carried before a new glass canopy is installed in March.
The next steps could see them bring parts of the old theatre back into public view for the first time in decades.
He added: “The plan now is for the third floor, it is beautiful up there.
“Opening this up is the vision, hopefully in the not too distant future.
This would the first time in decades the upper floor could be opened, it still looks so good even after so many years, imagine having this as a venue, we will do this step by step and anything we do here has to be done properly.”
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/hidden-third-floor-llandudnos-broadway-12583165 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/hidden-third-floor-llandudnos-broadway-12583165)
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Dave R posted a set of great photos from the hidden upper floors of the Broadway 'Grand Theatre' about 4 years ago.
Loads of antiquated plasterwork and old theatre equipment simply sealed off and trapped in time.
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Dave R posted a set of great photos from the hidden upper floors of the Broadway 'Grand Theatre' about 4 years ago.
Loads of antiquated plasterwork and old theatre equipment simply sealed off and trapped in time.
Can be seen here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/albums/72157623521219490)
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This has seen them spending on an external revamp with painting and window refurbishment being carried before a new glass canopy is installed in March.
Great to see the new owner trying to clear the maintenance backlog. The reinstatement of the glass canopy is welcome indeed. $good$
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I noticed that there were two separate planning applications registered last week for the Tudno Castle Hotel. At least the paperwork is moving because there doesn't seem to be much building work going on.
I wonder if there are any surprises still to come?
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Nothing whatsoever is happening on the old Penmorfa Hotel site and nothing has happened there since about 2008.
At least the Goats are not put off by the sign
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A proposal to demolish the derelict Llandudno Youth Centre and create a three storey building consisting 18 two bed apartments has been recommended for refusal.
Conwy County Borough Council Planning Committee will meet today to discuss the application, put forward by Mostyn Estates Ltd for the Trinity Avenue site.
The design and access statement reads: "The site was acquired by Mostyn Estates from Conwy Council to redevelop the derelict youth centre site, which closed five years ago.
"Location is highly accessible to the town centre, public transport, employment, schools and other community facilities.
"There is separation from the edge of the conservation area, which reflects an interruption and change in character.
The site does not affect or lie close to any identified important, direct or panoramic views of the conservation area. The residential development on previously developed land will ease the existing housing land shortfall.
"The housing mix reflects the current local demand. Viability assessment indicates that the development is not viable for affordable housing contributions.
"The design concept is commercially modern with traditional Victorian styling."
Objections to the development have been raised.
Llandudno Town Council have recommended rejection on the grounds that "the flood risk assessment does not comply technical note and provide suitable protection for residents." ref Pioneer
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With or without planning permission Mostyn Estates has demolished part of the property anyway but they can always go for retrospective planning like other developers have done
This terminology "The housing mix reflects the current local demand. Viability assessment indicates that the development is not viable for affordable housing contributions is it another meaning for "we know that affordable housing should be considered but we want maximum profit"
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Has anyone got any idea about what is happening to the planning application for apartments on the old Penmorfa Hotel site? I've had a look at the CCBC weekly planning applications and cannot see an application listed for the site.
I bet those people in those nice apartments next door are annoyed about the new proposal and also Anwyl's inactivity on the site for so long
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I noticed that the Tudno Castle Castle Hotel in Llandudno is deteriorating rapidly, this chimney stack at the rear of the building looks to be in danger of imminent collapse:
Oh shucks, it is beginning to look at as if the property will soon have to be knocked down. :-}}}
Sadly, it looks as though that will almost certainly be the case. The entire building is crumbling so badly now that renovation will not be economically viable.
That posting was a few years ago and the property has been neglected ever since. If we can see that, then why didn't the CCBC see it and put a repair notice against the owners Mostyn Estates.
Now the developers are going to demolish two thirds of the facade on Mostyn Broadway as it's in danger of collapsing but I bet that won't be the end of it and the whole lot will come down as it's not viable to keep the Vaughan Street facade.
I would assume that the CCBC will have inspected and photographed the property before granting permission for the demolition.
A dangerous building is one thing but being viable is another ( aka greater profit)
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Workmen stripping the surface from the car park belonging to the Royal Hotel and the Garth flats this morning.
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The Castle Hotel looks securely fenced off but on the few times I've been past it recently there doesn't appear to be any work going on.,
Has it hit another snag?
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The Castle Hotel looks securely fenced off but on the few times I've been past it recently there doesn't appear to be any work going on.,
Has it hit another snag?
I had a look last week, nobody about, I think the snag is the building is to far gone/dangerous, and they are waiting until summer is over, then demolish it, start again, and I would not blame them, as long as the new build was in character.
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Is it true work is due to commence shortly on building a new toilet block on 'Bog Island' ?
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If it is Bri, then they had better be quick as the holiday season is just a few weeks away.
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The Castle Hotel looks securely fenced off but on the few times I've been past it recently there doesn't appear to be any work going on.,
Has it hit another snag?
I had a look last week, nobody about, I think the snag is the building is to far gone/dangerous, and they are waiting until summer is over, then demolish it, start again, and I would not blame them, as long as the new build was in character.
I agree Steve, it's far easier to build from scratch and in Mostyn Estates thoughts far cheaper too. It could have been their intention all along like Anwyl's. but the snag is that it's a listed building.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear the buzz word "viable" mentioned in the near future
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Good to see that the large crack in the garage side of the Grand Theatre/Broadway Boulevard building is now being repaired - that would certainly have given me sleepless nights if I was the owner!
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I agree Steve, it's far easier to build from scratch and in Mostyn Estates thoughts far cheaper too. It could have been their intention all along like Anwyl's. but the snag is that it's a listed building.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear the buzz word "viable" mentioned in the near future
It's interesting that they didn't put up supporting scaffolding to the front elevation ,if they intended to retain the gable ,but merely erected access scaffolding to the entire building. They would not of risked leaving the gable unsupported having removed the rest of the building
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I personally don't see the problem in demolishing and rebuilding as long as it's an exact replica. There was nothing that special in the original from what I could see but the style has to be in keeping with everything else from Victorian Llandudno.
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It would probably be far easier and beneficial to demolish the building because at least building regulations now are much more stringent than they were in the Victorian era.
The new building should then be safer and there would be no risk of subsidence in the future.
Spotty Dogs observation about the scaffolding is interesting and we'll have to wait and see what does happen to this hotel. In the meantime my opinion of these developers hasn't changed and I would put them alongside Politicians in relation to truth and honesty
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I've just read an article in the NWWN by Tom Davison and it's prominently headed in bold capital letters " Hotel Shabbylon" and of course it's relating to the Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno.
Now the article is confirming that a bid has been put forward to completely pull it down and that is what I have been saying from the start.
It will be interesting to see just how many times the buzz word "viable" will appear in Mostyn Estate's application
In the meantime another of the Estate's eyesores, namely the old Youth Centre is continuing to deteriorate rapidly. I wonder how long it will be before that is sorted out and I doubt if CCBC will force the issue either
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When planning consent was given on The Old Youth Centre they were given up to 14th August 2022 to complete, otherwise they would have to reapply. It looks as if they are going to take their time on that one Hugo, with no thought of how this eyesore is affecting the neighbours. &shake&
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Thanks Meleri, $thanx$ I know one forum member who won't be too happy with that as he overlooks the place
Sadly Mostyn Estates is not the only developer in the town who has no consideration for their long suffering neighbours
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I was walking past the youth centre the other day and the door was open (it's normally padlocked shut). Read into that what you will.
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I hope that Mostyn Estates don't expect any squatters or the like to pay rent for the place. ;D
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I've just read an article in the NWWN by Tom Davison
Come on Tom, did you misspell your own name in that article or was it a NWWN gremlin? ?{}?
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I noticed it but didn't like to ask the question :-[ It must have been a typo error
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"It wasn't me your honour"
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Here's more on Llandudno Youth Centre: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/eyesore-llandudno-site-can-finally-13491607 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/eyesore-llandudno-site-can-finally-13491607)
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Anwyl Construction to start work in Northop Hall in September, has the company forgotten about the Penmorfa Hotel in Llandudno? I wonder when they are intending to do something about that eyesore as it has been 11 years since they first had planning permission on the site
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/anwyl-homes-secures-northop-hall-13490220 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/anwyl-homes-secures-northop-hall-13490220)
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Has anyone got any update on what is going on at the old Penmorfa Hotel site?
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Has anyone got any update on what is going on at the old Penmorfa Hotel site?
Anwyl have too much work on their hands to be concerned, they even get given jobs that the council helps fund too.
https://www.colwynbaythi.co.uk/building-project/porters/ (https://www.colwynbaythi.co.uk/building-project/porters/)
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Thanks Dave, nothing surprises me about the company or CCBC. There must be a conflict of interest somewhere along the line. ???
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Dave ,the total project has cost £1,176,660 and at present it has created 14no jobs ,however CAIS have an office in Llandudno but according to their details on Google the Colwyn Bay office is closed ,unless this new project replaces the previous one .
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As expected an application has gone in to demolish the entire Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno. If planning is granted then I hope that the CCBC will insist that the building be completed within a short space of time as this eyesore has gone on long enough.
0/44433 Grid Reference: 278596,382104 Application Type: Listed Building Consent Case Officer: Dave Watson Determination Level Delegated Team: DC West Team Received Date : 21/09/2017 Registered Date: 29/09/2017 Development Type(s): New Development Ward: Tudno Community Council: Cyngor Tref Llandudno Town Council Location: Tudno Castle Hotel Mostyn Broadway Llandudno Conwy LL30 1YL Proposed demolition of Tudno Castle Hotel and redevelopment to provide 63 bed hotel, 5 no restaurants units and 1 no business unit to include the recreation of the listed facade at the site of the Tudno Castle Hotel (Listed Building Consent)
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As expected an application has gone in to demolish the entire Tudno Castle Hotel in Llandudno. If planning is granted then I hope that the CCBC will insist that the building be completed within a short space of time as this eyesore has gone on long enough.
0/44433 Grid Reference: 278596,382104 Application Type: Listed Building Consent Case Officer: Dave Watson Determination Level Delegated Team: DC West Team Received Date : 21/09/2017 Registered Date: 29/09/2017 Development Type(s): New Development Ward: Tudno Community Council: Cyngor Tref Llandudno Town Council Location: Tudno Castle Hotel Mostyn Broadway Llandudno Conwy LL30 1YL Proposed demolition of Tudno Castle Hotel and redevelopment to provide 63 bed hotel, 5 no restaurants units and 1 no business unit to include the recreation of the listed facade at the site of the Tudno Castle Hotel (Listed Building Consent)
I'm surprised only today! i thought this had been accepted as the way forward ages ago and the agreement was to replace the old facia with an exact replica. I also thought the delay was to avoid too much upheaval in town during the demolition as the road needs to be closed. Now the season is over they can push ahead but not if they haven't already made the necessary arrangements and got the permissions.If they haven't already prepared it's plainly ridiculous.
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It's Mostyn Estates Dave, they can do anything they want to do in town, or at least they think they can
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Obviously, the plans had be to completely redrawn following the collapse of one wing - that takes time!
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You also cannot rule out one of the objectors wanting to arrange their own survey.
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As I've said before Bri, I would trust developers as much as I trust politicians and solicitors and accountants. &shake&
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As I've said before Bri, I would trust developers as much as I trust politicians and solicitors and accountants. &shake&
You forgot bankers, financial advisers, stockbrokers, oh :o and blokes with small horses dressed as soldiers.
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Thanks Dave for reminding me, how could I forget Bankers. :rage:
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Castle Hotel Llandudno, no surprises here then. &shake&
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tudno-castle-hotel-redevelopment-criticised-13877505 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tudno-castle-hotel-redevelopment-criticised-13877505)
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Ah, yes; the Victorian Society, crawling out of the woodwork and describing itself as "a charity, whose members’ support, via donations and volunteering, is vital to our work". So no surprise, then, that their headquarters are in the most expensive area of London, where the average house price for a terraced house is £2.8m. I hope those donating feel their money is well spent...
And I wonder which local worthy thought it worthwhile to tell them what is happening?
There is nothing inherently wonderful about a decaying building, Victorian or Edwardian. Many were simply thrown up and the number worth saving is fairly small, and if the Tudno builders intend to build new but in the same style then it can only be an advantage. But then, when a charity says this about all Victorian and Edwardian buildings:
Victorian and Edwardian buildings are irreplaceable, cherished, diverse, beautiful, familiar and part of our everyday life. They contribute overwhelmingly to the character of places people love and places where people live. They belong to all of us. Their owners are really only custodians for future generations.
it does make you wonder...
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I suppose the same could be said for the Mostyn Family who now enjoy the benefits of their affluent lifestyle in London but I've said all along that I believed their intention was to completely demolish the whole building.
Don't forget that Mostyn Estates have neglected that building for many years and in part are responsible for its decline. Not once have I heard that the CCBC has issued a repair notice on the Estates even though the deterioration of the place was obvious to everyone.
What I do agree on is, that it's in everyone's best interest to demolish the entire building and rebuild it to match the surrounding buildings
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I mentioned in Sep. the poor state of the Gloddaeth Ave. tram shelter, and that local councilor louise emery was looking into the situation, I am pleased to say that interim repairs have been carried out, with further restoration work in the near future planned.
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Cllr Louise did organised a site meeting and has tried to establish who owns it, which is never clear , and a schedule of work has been agreed. I know because I was there.
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Cllr Louise did organised a site meeting and has tried to establish who owns it, which is never clear , and a schedule of work has been agreed. I know because I was there.
Thanks for the update, sorry I could not be there, I just received the news by Email.
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At last something is happening at ' The Grand Ash'. Workmen are filling skips as fast as they can.
Still nothing at 'The Royal'
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http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/demolition-grade-ii-listed-tudno-14109232#ICID=nsm (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/demolition-grade-ii-listed-tudno-14109232#ICID=nsm)
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Just read the Daily Post report.
The hotel was know as North Western Hotel in my younger days.
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Years before that it was two hotels, the Castle Hotel nearest the prom and the Temperance Hotel nearest the Railway Station.
My G Grandfather had the Temperance Hotel and our family were known in the town as Hughes Temperance but we're still trying to live that name down. Z** Z**
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Are Developers sitting on land banks and not developing them? I suppose that we have an example in this area with the Penmorfa Hotel where planning was obtained years ago and nothing ever done with the application and now there is talk of another variation to that application.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiusK2k6MXYAhVLD8AKHZyFDksQFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcities%2F2017%2Fjan%2F31%2Fbritain-land-housing-crisis-developers-not-building-land-banking&usg=AOvVaw0KGn6CduKgJi1WG-YtCeWm (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiusK2k6MXYAhVLD8AKHZyFDksQFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcities%2F2017%2Fjan%2F31%2Fbritain-land-housing-crisis-developers-not-building-land-banking&usg=AOvVaw0KGn6CduKgJi1WG-YtCeWm)
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At last something is happening at ' The Grand Ash'. Workmen are filling skips as fast as they can.
Still nothing at 'The Royal'
Working like mad at the Grand Ash still.
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I wonder if this would have applied to the Penmorfa Hotel and other sites that have already had outline planning granted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41776068 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41776068)
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Looks like the Penmorfa Hotel project may go to the back of the queue again. What will CCBC do now about this eyesore?
https://businessnewswales.com/flintshire-based-anwyl-construction-secure-11-3m-contract-for-new-care-home/
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Looks like the Penmorfa Hotel project may go to the back of the queue again. What will CCBC do now about this eyesore?
Decade after 'Alice in Wonderland' hotel demolished the site still remains empty
Developer Anwyl urged to bring forward a sensitive scheme to replace the historic property.
Housing managing director at Anwyl Homes, Mathew Anwyl, commented: “We have recently made a pre planning application to adjust the scheme that already has approval and are currently preparing the details for another pre-application community consultation.” &shake&
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/decade-after-alice-wonderland-hotel-14515430 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/decade-after-alice-wonderland-hotel-14515430)
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Anwyl have used one trick after another on this site and CCBC should have stepped in a long time ago to stop it. There is a lesson to be learnt in dealing with these developers because it can happen again at the Castle Hotel and Pier Pavilion site
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I think they play a waiting game, when all the fuss has died down, they get their own way, especially when they are "urged" to move forward, this only strengthens their hand.
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They certainly have played a waiting game Steve &shake&
They originally applied for planning in 2006 and were granted planning forabout 25 apartments but the condition was that the new side extensions could be demolished but the centre and original section was to remain
They demolished the side sections and then waited until their wilful neglect of the property meant that it was not "viable" to keep the centre section so they applied to demolish the centre section and build 28 apartments and that was granted. By the way the plans for the 28 apartments looked good and in keeping with the original building and surroundings
The centre section was quickly demolished and they waited and waited and waited and by 2013 they had alleged that work had commenced on the building by the fact that a pipe had been laid into the site!
Then they waited and waited and now appear to be talking to CCBC about a new plan that looks like something from Legoland and the apartments have increased from 28 to about 50
The last photo is of a painting by Dean Liddell who had the Penmorfa House built
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Hugo, property developer at work........https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-moment-denbigh-asylum-plan-14554453 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-moment-denbigh-asylum-plan-14554453)
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I'd like to know the outcome of that dispute but it's a good job that the dog was restrained. Seeing the video hasn't improved my views on developers and they are still up there with politicians and bankers in my opinion
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I'd like to know the outcome of that dispute but it's a good job that the dog was restrained. Seeing the video hasn't improved my views on developers and they are still up there with politicians and bankers in my opinion
I've had encounters with Elwyn in the past, he thinks he's the Equalizer. ;D
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I walked past the old Llandudno Youth Centre last week and the place is in a mess and the developer doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to demolish it. I feel sorry for the residents nearby who will have to put up with this lack of activity for many years to come.
What is it with these people? They try every trick in the book to get their planning application passed and then they just sit on it and do little or nothing.
Mostyn Estates' other property the former Castle Hotel is just the same and I've not seen any activity on the site recently. If the developer alleged that it was unstable before what would it be like now after months of neglect and the bad Winter that we've had?
If it has to be demolished then they should be made to do it asap before it becomes even more dangerous and also before the tourist season.
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What is it with these people? They try every trick in the book to get their planning application passed and then they just sit on it and do little or nothing.
Yet when you have a Developer trying to sort out the Pavilion site, some people aren't happy with that either!
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What is it with these people? They try every trick in the book to get their planning application passed and then they just sit on it and do little or nothing.
Yet when you have a Developer trying to sort out the Pavilion site, some people aren't happy with that either!
That's not the point I was making. After all their efforts to get planning permission why do they then do nothing about it?
Anwyl has been doing it for 10 years with the Penmorfa Hotel and the Castle Hotel has also been empty for about 10 years too.
With the Llandudno Youth Centre, Mostyn Estates went to appeal with it and won and what has happened since? That building could also turn into a saga
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Hugo, isn’t the developer for the Tudno Castle Hotel the same developer currently working over in Colwyn Bay on the new CCBC Head Office or am I mistaken?
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I'm not sure Bri, but if I find out I'll post it on here. I drove past the building in Colwyn Bay today and it's massive and I wonder what's going to happen next with the on off on merger with Denbigh Council
Perhaps it was built so big with that in mind but then we know CCBC so anything is possible
PS I've just had a quick look on Google and it says that the developers for the Castle Hotel are Mostyn Estates and Opus North but the developer for the building in Colwyn Bay is Muse Developments Ltd
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Just as an add on to the Colwyn Bay site Muse Developments Ltd has appointed Bowmer and Kirkland as the main contractor
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By coincidence, Hugo, I thought I saw earlier the name Bowmer and Kirkland on the external boarding outside the Tudno Castle.
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I'll have a look when I next go past the Castle Hotel Bri, but that could explain the distinct lack of activity in Llandudno ------- they must all be working in Colwyn Bay! ;D
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I,m sure the road closure is the 8/9 th of May for the castle demolition , do you know Hugo a guy who moved to the area partly blamed our family for the state of the hotel 😂
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I noticed a car parked inside the Tudno castle today and lights on in the portakabins. From what Norman says, it would seem sensible for demolition and road closures to take place after the Extravaganza has taken place.
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I,m sure the road closure is the 8/9 th of May for the castle demolition , do you know Hugo a guy who moved to the area partly blamed our family for the state of the hotel 😂
It does make sense for the demolition to start after the Extravaganza has finished but perhaps the week after would have been better as I expect that many people will be staying on in the town after the event.
As for the guy partly blaming our family for the state of the hotel, when did they let him out?
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I wonder how long it will be before the next local eyesore will be the Argyll Road Health Clinic?
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It must be a very old building Bri because I was born there, I've been there a few times in recent years because my back is creaking more than the building is. ;D
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I also remember going there during the early sixties to visit the school dentist when I was just around the corner in JBGS.
Were you actually born there, Hugo, or in the Oxford Road Clinic?
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My apologies Bri, I was born in the Oxford House Clinic in Oxford Road. I think that the clinic in Argyle Road wasn't built when I was a lad
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My apologies Bri, I was born in the Oxford House Clinic in Oxford Road. I think that the clinic in Argyle Road wasn't built when I was a lad
Something you have in common with my Wife Hugo, who was also born there. :)
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My apologies Bri, I was born in the Oxford House Clinic in Oxford Road. I think that the clinic in Argyle Road wasn't built when I was a lad
Something you have in common with my Wife Hugo, who was also born there. :)
I was born on the 1st floor there, but my youngest brother didn't make it that far as he was born on the stairs going up to the 1st floor ;D
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The Extravaganza has come and gone but I've not seen much work going on at the Castle Hotel. They had better get a move on as the height of the Summer season isn't too far away.
I hope that they haven't forgotten about the former Llandudno Youth Centre as it's looking a mess at the moment
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Probably being held over until after Armed Forces Day and the run up.
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Hugo it isn't CCBC that is holding up the build on the former Llandudno Youth Centre. Ravenscroft Homes Ltd who are the builders on the 26th April 2018 put in an application for a variation of conditions 2&5 of the planning consent already given. The revised plans have less parking than the previous approved plans, so that will have to be sorted amongst other things, before a decision by CCBC Planning Department, only then they can start.
It seems to have taken forever, I really feel for those poor people who live nearby, it's such a mess >:(
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I believe start date for tudno castle demolition is 6th July (facebook)
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Hugo it isn't CCBC that is holding up the build on the former Llandudno Youth Centre. Ravenscroft Homes Ltd who are the builders on the 26th April 2018 put in an application for a variation of conditions 2&5 of the planning consent already given. The revised plans have less parking than the previous approved plans, so that will have to be sorted amongst other things, before a decision by CCBC Planning Department, only then they can start.
It seems to have taken forever, I really feel for those poor people who live nearby, it's such a mess >:(
Thanks Meleri for bringing us up to date on the matter. I suppose less parking than the previous approved plans translated means more profit for the developer. Why don't they just be honest for once and submit plans that they intend to go ahead with,
The site is a disgrace and I remember Tom Davidson saying that he had a flat that overlooks the site and he had to look at the mess every day
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I believe start date for tudno castle demolition is 6th July (facebook)
How come facebook knows before the ratepayers Spotty Dog?
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Have a look who posted it Hugo !
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Sorry Nemesis but I don't do facebook so there is no way I can find out. Is it the same Fairy Tale writer who once upon a time said that work would start before Christmas?
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There is a chap on 'You Know You are from Llandudno' site states the Tudno Castle demolition starts 8th July, is that the one spotty dog? What a ridiculous time to start when we have so many visitors around ::)
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Yes Melery I don't know how much credence there is to it
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Sorry Nemesis but I don't do facebook so there is no way I can find out. Is it the same Fairy Tale writer who once upon a time said that work would start before Christmas?
The person concerned gets an awful lot of ribbing for being a moaner !
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He,s not a moaner but has passion for his home town just a shame more people cant be bothered this council and Mostyn are killing our town .
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He,s not a moaner but has passion for his home town just a shame more people cant be bothered this council and Mostyn are killing our town .
I'm none the wiser Norman but he's obviously not the one I'm thinking of who promises a lot but doesn't deliver on them
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I was looking at the CCBC planning website and saw that an application to demolish the Penmorfa Hotel was made in October 2004, yet here we are over 14 years later and the place is still like a bomb site
It's just an eyesore and yet Anwyl Construction is building estates all over North Wales and beyond but appears to be ignoring Llandudno
Does anyone know just what is going on behind the scenes?
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The Application to demolish was 0/34245 & validation date 5/12/2007 but the information on-line can't be viewed anymore. The validation application for commencement of the site 0/39941 dated 25/6/2013 can't be viewed on-line either, Hugo you did mention this one some time ago as it was the one where they just laid an underground pipe to confirm commencement of the site & the expiry date was 19/8/2016.
As far as I can see there are no more applications for this site. You could contact the Building Control & Renewals Manager at CCBC but will probably have a long wait or ask Janet Finch Saunders as this has been one she has been chasing for a long time & perhaps needs revisiting.
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Thanks very much Meleri, your reply is really appreciated, I did try looking for something on the CCBC planning website but this is all that came up but at least I know why I couldn't find out any more info.
I did write and ask about that underground pipe under the FOI Act but the reply letter I received stated that the CCBC did not accept that it was the commencement of the work as it did not reach the site of the construction work. Anwyl Construction however then put the demolition of the hotel as having been the start of the construction work so as to avoid the expiry of their planning application of 2008
Application Number Site Address Development Description Status Date Registered Decision
0/30336 Penmorfa Hotel, Abbey Road, Llandudno, Conwy, LL30 2QY Demolition Of Extensions To Penmorfa Hotel (Conservation Area Consent) APPEAL DECIDED 13-06-2005
0/29417 Penmorfa Hotel, Abbey Road, Llandudno, Conwy LL30 2QY Demolition of Extensions to Penmorfa Hotel (Conservation Area
Consent) APPEAL LODGED 13-10-2004
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It looks like they will have to make a new application when they decided to develop the site Hugo.
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Thank goodness for that Meleri, they have been devious for so long now and it's time that they dealt with this eyesore. I hope that the CCBC will keep a closer eye on the contractor's activities in the future
The apartments that were built next to the Penmorfa Hotel were in keeping with the hotel as was Anwyl's application in 2008 for either 28 or 29 apartments.
The latest artist impression of the proposed 50 plus apartments is a joke and I do feel sorry for their neighbours if it is allowed to go ahead, I've posted the artist's impressions again for comparison
By the way I have already e-mailed Janet Finch Saunders about the matter
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The latest artist impression of the proposed 50 plus apartments is a joke and I do feel sorry for their neighbours if it is allowed to go ahead.
If it does go ahead Hugo, Gogarth Ward won't need any new apartments on the North Shore.
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I guess the people who lived in nearby houses were not happy when the first block of apartments went up so it's ironic that we might feel sorry for the occupiers of said apartments now. They have been the benefactors of an unexpected uninterrupted view since the hotel was demolished but one of the perils of buying overlooking open ground is the possibility that one day it might be built on.From the local economy point of view it's seen as good news I guess.
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In planning applications you cannot object to an application on the grounds that it will spoil someone's view. Objections can be made though on the grounds that the application does not fit in with the surroundings or that it affects someone's privacy etc etc
If one considers it solely from the local economy point of view then why not go the whole hog and build 150 apartments there not just the 51 proposed and in future let these builders build whatever they want to build
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I agree, buildings should be sympathetic to their surroundings and I can see plenty of room to object on this development, particularly when you know the whole thing is about making money for the developer on a huge scale and with zero concern or morality in how they go about it. The future must be apartment builds though, like it or not. There's a finite amount of land and a rising population. Do we keep the very best bits for the very wealthy who can build their ugly monstrosities in Llys Helig Drive ? I didn't hear any mumblings of discontent about any of the recent carbuncles that have appeared there.
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I was disgusted to see in today's Pioneer that there has been a repeat of the fly tipping on the concrete path above the lighthouse and cafe.
Apparently building waste has been dumped there again, perhaps it's time that the CCBC acted and had CCTV on the Marine Drive and had covet cameras elsewhere and prosecuted the offenders
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Very annoying that anyone can desecrate an area of outstanding beauty in such a way. What's the matter with these people who have no pride in where they live? It's as far to drive around the Orme as it is to Mochdre skips too.
Walking around marine Drive I'm always hugely irritated by the deliberate littering that someone finds amusing. Shredded pieces of magazine or toilet paper is thrown out of presumably a vehicle as it drives around the Orme, it's been happening for months, surely someone can catch the culprit?
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What are Anwyl Construction up to now?
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/alice-wonderland-house-hotel-llandudno-16118965 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/alice-wonderland-house-hotel-llandudno-16118965)
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Hugo The D.Post reports that Anwyl intend submitting new plans for the Penmorfa site , any betting what the outcome will be , or am I being to cynical .
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Hugo The D.Post reports that Anwyl intend submitting new plans for the Penmorfa site , any betting what the outcome will be , or am I being to cynical .
You're not being cynical Robbie, you're just being realistic. The tail is wagging the dog nowadays and all Anwyl has to do is say the right buzz words and it's a done deal
They don't give a toss about local opinion or whether the building fits in with its surroundings as long as they get the maximum profit from a site that they have neglected for so long.
Expect something like this, or perhaps on a bigger scale
It's a shame that there isn't a land tax that can be imposed on companies like Anwyl that get planning permission and just land bank the building site for a number of years
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Has anyone got an update on Anwyl Construction and the Penmorfa eyesore? It has been 12 years since their original application was approved and I cannot find anything about a recent planning application
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Hi Hugo haven't heard anything lately last lot of plans I seen were an eyesore , the works that are on the site now are for the sewer pipe by the Orme they have to fix 2 big holes in it having to work to the tides they are there for a few months.
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Hugo
We will be the last to know ,but I think I know what the outcome will be , what do you think more profits the more apartments they build .
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Norman, I have seen those works you mentioned and wondered what they were. I bet that those works stink but perhaps not as much as Anwyl's attitude to Llandudno
Robbie, you are right in everything that you've said and I often wonder what goes on behind the scenes before these developers submit their application plans
Take Anwyl for instance the initial application was for about 25 homes and another application was for 28 homes and to be fair to the company the design fitted in well with the surroundings
However after many years of doing nothing whatsoever on the site they have concocted what can only be described as an eyesore which is more fitting for Legoland and they propose to put over 50 apartments into the eyesore.
That's nearly twice as many as they had previously had permission for
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Hi Hugo just got back from our walk to the gunsites ,walking back couldn't believe seeing two people with a dog so far out stupidity ,no wonder the work is going to take so long no sign of doing any work today, that new design for them apartments if they get passed we will know for sure brown envelopes are passed 😡.
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Those proposed plans for the Penmorfa apartments sound as dodgy as that safe they found on the gunsite. Hope that you didn't find another safe there on your walk Norman
Do you remember the gunsite before they put the metal gates there at the end of Llys Helyg Drive, it was a place where learner drivers used to practice driving and I've seen a few cars dumped over the edge too
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Ok, controversial maybe, but I quite like the design for the Anwyl block. That said, I am surprised they didn't design something like one of their earlier blocks, The Menai
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At least the roof line would be more in line with the original building on the site.
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What's that all about Macca? Is that an artist's design of the apartments to be build at the Pen Morfa site because if so it should be more realistic with the background.
If it's the design of the long awaited Penmorfa site have you got any more info on it or could you tell us where to find the details
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No bud, its an apartment black that Anwyl have previously built and sold, but what i'm saying is if you look at the roofline of that development, a similar design would have been very appropriate for the Penmorfa site given its heritage, and would probably have created less friction in the community.
Odd that they've proposed a very modern design instead aint it?
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Thanks Macca for explaining that and I agree that the apartment block would be more in keeping with the Penmorfa site.
Anwyl have built a number of nice housing estates in N Wales so I cannot understand why they have taken this attitude with Llandudno.
They have taken a hit on the site and the £2.4 million or so that they paid for it does no excuse the fact that they have used all the tricks of the trade in avoiding building the apartments that they were originally given planning permission for.
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I'm a big fam of Anwyl's product for sure, if you compare it with housing from the likes of Bellway, its chalk and cheese. Its disappointing that they don't build more bungalows. I will be following the Penmorfa site with great interest though.
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Anwyl Construction has built some nice bungalow estates around the Rhyl area but I'm afraid that like many other builders they are just out to make as much money as they can.
The trend now seem to be building large 3 storey houses and get as many as they can into any particular building site, consequently they all have gardens not much bigger than a postage stamp.
The Government talk about land banking and building affordable houses but that is just lip service and nothing else. These firms are telling the local authorities how many affordable houses they are going to build but surely it should be the other way round and the authorities saying how many must be affordable.
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How do you define "affordable" ???
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How long is a piece of string DVT? It's the same type of definition as affordable housing and the answer will obviously vary depending of course where you live.
If you stick to the word affordable then it is what it is, affordable to the wages of a person in full time employment in their local area. The building Societies will lend between 3 and 5 times the annual salary of that working person and if a property falls into that bracket then I suppose it's "affordable"
Try finding any in the Conwy County that fits that criteria and you'll be lucky
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For a few years, I was a board member of a well-known local housing association and ‘affordable’ tends to refer to affordable rent rather than affordable to purchase with the assistance of a mortgage loan.
These ‘affordable’ rents are always cheaper than what a private landlord would charge for a similar property.
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The average salary in Llandudno is:-
https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Location=Llandudno-Wales:-Conwy/Hourly_Rate (https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Location=Llandudno-Wales:-Conwy/Hourly_Rate)
I'm not sure how accurate that is though, it describes the most numerous occupations being healthcare and oil and gas exploration but maybe that's a reflection on individual company employees rather than the overall number in a given professions as the hotel and catering industry must be the biggest sector I would have thought.
You could just about afford a terraced property in Penmaenmawr,Llanrwst or Abergele looking at Rightmove but you'd be pushing payments to the limit. Better than renting though.
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Assuming house prices do not fall, Dave.
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It looks about right for the occupations quoted. Huge divide in Llandudno between the kids desperately holding down two or three jobs to make ends meet and the pensioners, some with cauldrons of cash.
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We are not talking about old properties Dave, but new build and that's where the problem lies. Local young people should be able to buy a new build in their local area but developers are not doing this and CCBC seem powerless to enforce these developers to do it.
In the 1960's and 1970's there were many estates getting built in the N Wales area that were within the price range of young people but that is no longer happening
I've seen some of the examples of these present day so called "affordable homes" and all they are are homes that are jointly owned with some housing authority. It's just not on and is unfair to the young people who want to continue to live in this area
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It looks about right for the occupations quoted. Huge divide in Llandudno between the kids desperately holding down two or three jobs to make ends meet and the pensioners, some with cauldrons of cash.
I’d challenge the Head Chef salary statistics, that one looks wrong to me.
I know one who is a hotel head chef, he earns between £35 and £40k
I also know a hotel owner, not a very highly rated one either, who pays his head chef nearly £40k, and his breakfast chef around the £35k mark.
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The only site i've seen Anwyl building bungalows on recently was their Abergele site, and they were overlooked by existing housing. There are loads of bungalows in Rhyl for sure but the problem is its Rhyl and property in the town is very affordable for a reason
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We did go and look at Anwyl's Park Aberkinsey site in Rhyl. It felt great and in fact in no way did it feel like you were in Rhyl. But as the mrs said, as soon as you need the doctors, pharmacy, shop, or fancy going to the pub you're into Rhyl.
Property prices in Llandudno and Penrhyn Bay can be challenging to say the least, and if we do get to bring our future plans to reality a little later down the line, god only knows what we'll have to pay???
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It looks about right for the occupations quoted. Huge divide in Llandudno between the kids desperately holding down two or three jobs to make ends meet and the pensioners, some with cauldrons of cash.
I’d challenge the Head Chef salary statistics, that one looks wrong to me.
I know one who is a hotel head chef, he earns between £35 and £40k
I also know a hotel owner, not a very highly rated one either, who pays his head chef nearly £40k, and his breakfast chef around the £35k mark.
There's huge discrepancies between what the hotels are paying, F. Some know that you can't get a decent chef cheaply while others - big names included - pay the bare minimum. There's real competition in the industry for good chefs; average ones are easy to come by, apparently.
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I expect the same thing to happen with the Pier Pavilion site and the Pen Morfa Hotel site because of the track record that the CCBC has on matters like this
I wonder if the CCBC will reveal just what Waldron has proposed to pay for not including affordable housing in his application for the Pier Pavilion site
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49345812 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49345812)
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Hugo
As a matter of interest is the Anwyl site on West Shore freehold or leasehold
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Robbie, to be honest I don't know the definite answer to that but in my book by Ivor Wynne Jones the Reverend Henry Liddell leased a building plot in 1861 off Mostyn Estates
From my own personal experience I was interested in buying a plot of land where the Pen Morfa Cottages once stood before demolition in 1936. I had an interview with the then Mostyn Estates manager Mr George Hiller and that plot of land I was interested in was leased and in fact also sub leased with a 99 year lease so I wasn't interested in taking the matter any further
From that I would guess that the site is leasehold with Mostyn Estates owning the freehold
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The Land is Leasehold according to Companies House. Beech Developments (NW) Ltd took out a mortgage on it with HSBC Bank Plc on the 18/2/2004 & satisfied the mortgage 14/1/2015.
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That's very interesting Meleri and makes you wonder what is going on behind the scenes
My understanding is that the owner of the Penmorfa Hotel was paid an amount of £40K from Anwyl Construction pending approval of their application for planning on the site and this would have been C2004.
When planning permission was granted Anwyl bought the property for a reported £2.4 million and when the building slump came after that time Anwyl had to be careful that they didn't over commit to their building programme.
Since then they have built developments all over N Wales but surprisingly not on the Penmorfa site
So how come Beech Homes is involved in this?
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Meleri, I've just had a look at the Gogarth Morfa apartments on the Penmorfa site and I think that these may have been built by Beech Developments
The entire site must have come in different lots as the land I was looking at all those years ago was by the road and next to the houses in Abbey Place.
There must be at least 3 parcels of land there but I still think that Anwyl have the former hotel site
What Anwyl has done is within the law but morally disgusting. Those apartments at Gogarth Morfa look really good and fitted in with the surroundings that also included the former Pen Morfa Hotel. I've had a look at the sale prices of some of the apartments and they are selling for less than the price when they were originally purchased and that in part must be due to the uncertainty of what is going to be built next to them.
If those lego apartments get the go ahead then the prices of Gogarth Morfa apartments may fall further.
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Yes it is very interesting Hugo, all smoke & mirrors ;) Beech actually took mortgages out for two parcels of land, the one I mentioned earlier & 'Land at Gogarth Abbey, Abbey Road, West Shore, Llandudno on 17/1/2003 Satisfied 14/1/2015' (paid off the same date as the other one, but this one doesn't say leasehold). Considering the Gogarth Abbey Hotel didn't close until 2006 & then demolished 2008 they obviously knew something we didn't. Perhaps Anwyl owned the actual hotel which would make three parcels of land after it was demolished.
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I'm only guessing Meleri but I would suspect that the twp parcels of land are what Gogarth Morfa was built on. The bit I was after is now part of the front garden of the apartments but just on the eastern side of it
I know that Anwyl didn't own the Penmorfa Hotel when the original application was made for planning on the site as they paid the owner £40 K as on option to buy the hotel subject to the planning being granted
I wonder what Anwyl is conniving now about the site, but CCBC needs to get a grip on this one
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Hugo
Anwyl are a very old established company you cant fault them for wanting to make more profit ,that's the name of the game ,however its the manner of their operations that seem underhanded to say the least , if the land is leasehold that implies that there will be 3no organisations with a vested interest Anwyls , Mostyn Estates , and CCBC . all wanting more money . I don't know how Mostyn Estates calculate the ground rent on domestic properties , but I believe on commercial units it is 12% of the business rates ,when all these figures are taken into consideration its a nice little earner for these organisations for the original application but a much more lucrative proposition with the amended plans , and I suspect the amended plans will be approved I will be very surprised if they are refused .
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I have a dilemma and I welcome your opinion. Yesterday I was driving along Glanwyddan Lane at around 1.00pm and there, in the entrance to a field, a car was parked and the owner was throwing large bits of household rubbish over the gate in to the field. I stopped the car, got out and took a picture of the car with the rather startled looking owner stood alongside. He hadn't expected that, but hey, it was broad daylight and there was much traffic on the road. I told hime that I had a feeling he was going to retrieve his rubbish now, which is what he did. I have photos of him climbing over the gate and with the evidence in the background. I crossed the road back to my car and left, saying something about disgusting behaviour whilst he tried to justify why he was doing.
Now the odds are he probably threw it somewhere else instead.
My dilemma is what to do next.
Post the photos on social media , complete with his car registration and identifiable image of him.
Take my evidence to the police and ask them to send someone round for a chat ( I had a 16year old in the car as a witness by the way)
Feel sorry for him and the shame he should feel, although I'm not convinced that will be the case, and do nothing.
Your views would be appreciated.
Thanks Dave
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I personally would report him to the police, there is also the possibly of a council number for such situations, well done for stopping,
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Dave, well done for doing what you did, many people would just drive past and ignore it even if they hated what the guy was doing.
Go along the route of what Steve has suggested and contact the Police with all your info.
Also contact CCBC and report the matter to them. They need to be made an example of
As an add on Dave have you checked his car tax and MOT details because anyone who does something illegal and anti social like that is capable of doing something else
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Very well done, Dave. I'd send a report to the Police.
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I sent a report to the council who have got back to me and told me that , as he'd cleared his rubbish they would probably just send him a written warning. I am happy with that and hopefully it's enough to dissuade him from doing it again.
You can find the place to report incidents by searching the council website "report fly tipping".
https://erf.reporting.conwy.gov.uk/en?type=7
There's an interesting map with various incidents reported, not just fly tipping.
The one that caught my eye was the one where someone is claiming £1100 in damage to the paintwork of his/her car as a result of driving over the red rumble strips on the A470. seems strange that it's just one car out of the '000's that have driven over them, and besides they were cordoned off with traffic lights and cones whilst the work was carried out and the paint still wet.
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It appears as if something is about to commence at the Penmorfa site. Cabins in place. Presume planning has all gone through etc.
I'm also aware that the next building development site has been announced and was open for public inspection, it's the fields surrounding Robertson's Research ( can't remember their latest name). What did get my attention was that earlier in the year ( or was it late last year?) the nearby farm was up for sale at a guide price of £450,000 which appeared a bit of a bargain as it included two substantial sized fields. When you looked in to it there was a codicil attached which gave the seller a 50% share of any future sale for developmemt. Fair enough, but were they expecting it to happen so soon? Whoever bought appears to have no intention of renovating the buildings, wonder what they knew and who they are.
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Thanks for mentioning the Penmorfa site Dave but it's far too windy for me to go and look for myself. I'm nor aware that any plans have been put forward or approved by the CCBC but with Anwyl nothing will surprise me.
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I have had a look at the CCBC Planning website but can't see anything for this site, perhaps the squatters have moved in and it would serve Anwyl right
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The Penmorfa site is being used by Welsh Water contractors, repairing the sewers, lots of cabins and vehicles etc.
Norman08, mentioned last month......... "The works that are on the Penmorfa site now are for the sewer pipe by the Orme they have to fix 2 big holes in it having to work to the tides they are there for a few months."
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The Penmorfa Hotel site at Llandudno isn't the only one to be messed about by the Anwyl Construction firm
https://www.winsfordguardian.co.uk/news/15081729.mere-view-residents-threaten-legal-action-over-rapidly-rising-bills/ (https://www.winsfordguardian.co.uk/news/15081729.mere-view-residents-threaten-legal-action-over-rapidly-rising-bills/)
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What on earth is Anwyl Construction playing at and what is more what is the CCBC doing about the former Penmorfa Hotel site? This fiasco has been going on for about 16 years now and in that time Anwyl has submitted various building applications but has failed to do anything about them even when the plans have been passed
The place remains like a bomb site and no one, not even the Councillor who lives nearby seems to be concerned about the matter
Quite honestly it's an embarrassment to the town and when those tour buses stop near Penmorfa and point out the site and say that Alice in Wonderland lived there, I wonder what the tourists think of it all.
https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/developer-anwyl-partnerships-starts-apartments-17601004 (https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/developer-anwyl-partnerships-starts-apartments-17601004)
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I always find one thing very curious. Leaseholders can raise their rates within the contract made when a property is purchased. The answer is to ensure your contract clearly specifies what percentage raise per annum is allowed. Same goes for so-called service contracts. If it's not written in the contract then it's little use complaining when the rates are raised sky high.
But my question is this: properly drawn up contracts precisely specify cost increases, timings and a lot more. Why, then, cannot a council like CCBC draw up contracts which specify precisely when building has to be completed by a building company?
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That's a very good point Ian and one I've raised before with the CCBC. I believe that there is a 5 year limit for the building to be started after the planning application has been granted. My understanding is that no date for completion of the property is fixed by CCBC
Developers use all the loop holes that they can to get around certain planning issues. Some developers have no moral principles whatsoever and run circles around the Planning Offices
Anwyl Construction is a good example with the way they have treated CCBC and seem nowhere near to submitting a new application for this bomb site despite the 16 years that have gone by
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What on earth is Anwyl Construction playing at and what is more what is the CCBC doing about the former Penmorfa Hotel site? This fiasco has been going on for about 16 years now and in that time Anwyl has submitted various building applications but has failed to do anything about them even when the plans have been passed
The place remains like a bomb site and no one, not even the Councillor who lives nearby seems to be concerned about the matter
Quite honestly it's an embarrassment to the town and when those tour buses stop near Penmorfa and point out the site and say that Alice in Wonderland lived there, I wonder what the tourists think of it all.
https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/developer-anwyl-partnerships-starts-apartments-17601004 (https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/developer-anwyl-partnerships-starts-apartments-17601004)
Some days the gates to the site are open, others they are closed and the place is deserted. They really need to either tidy up or get on with it. To me is has been used as a 'builder's yard' or general dumping ground.
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Hugo nothing is going to change at the Penmorfa site or any other site , until we have more trans parity and accountability we could start by halving the number of Councillors that seem to serve their own interests , certainly not our interests ,it appears they are oblivious to any protest the Llanelian Road development is a prime example ,the local services are stretched to breaking point ,again this only makes matters worse for that area , we complain about CCBC in the forum continually about various issues but nothing seems to change , and I think you are correct in your assumption that there is a time limit on the commencement after been granted planning permission , however I think in the Penmorfa site perhaps the demolition of the original building might be sufficient for the delay as far as CCBC is concerned
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Hugo Ccbc and Mostyn estate let Anwyl demolish that hotel and let the land rot, yet have allowed them to demolish houses further along and build flats, a company have been using the land while they were fixing the sewer pipe, now they have gone I've noticed a big CCTV camera unit in there, the last plans I seen were shocking, two county councilors live by there one has to pass it every day, both not local though.
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Robbie, Anwyl Construction applied for an amended planning application in 2008 and that was to demolish the original building which they had neglectfully allowed to deteriorate plus build about 28 apartments. ( See the artist's impression for the apartments.)
In 2013, nearly 5 years afterwards they told the CCBC that building had been started on the site because they had laid a pipe into the site.
When I phoned the CCBC after reading the article in the NWWN I asked them what the pipe was for and what I was told was that they didn't know, so I asked them if they had a photo of the pipe and I was informed that the planning office may have taken a photo but that the trench had been filled in!
Not satisfied with that explanation I wrote a letter to CCBC under the FOI Act and the reply that I had said that as the pipe had not reached the site of construction then work was not deemed to have been started and that the planning application was therefore out of date
Then Anwyl came back to CCBC and gave the argument that work had been started by the fact that they had demolished the original property. My understanding now is that the application of 2008 is out of date but I wouldn't trust the firm not to try to find other loopholes
If a firm makes an application and has it granted for what can be considered attractive apartments why would they not go ahead with that application instead of touting around for a block of apartments that look like something from Lego land and do not blend in with the surrounding properties
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Hugo I have to agree to all the details in your reply to the Penmorfa development , but you are missing the point there is no accountability to the problems on this site , as far as I can see no one who represents the ratepayers ( councillors ) are oblivious to all the problems we have in the county ., the list is endless from Penmorfa to the new Civic Centre , the sand problem on the West Shore has been ongoing for years it is a horrendous problem of their own making ,nothing has been done to solve the issue and nothing will be done because it means someone will need accept responsibility .
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Incompetence in Councils is an interesting subject. If you put "dealing with incompetence in local councils" into Google it returns an extremely long and ultimately depressing list.
If I were to guess, councillors hide behind the paid staff, and thus deflect blame. It's telling that apart from a single instance we've never had any CCBC councillor with sufficient courage to some onto this forum, despite our offer to give them their own board. where they can remove posts for unacceptable behaviour ,and were we would, as well, monitor the quality of post input.
We did have a local Bobby, once, but he experienced a lot of trouble from a single contributor on here, now deceased. This forum is moderated and we don't accept nastiness or vitriol, so what's stopping a councillor from stepping up? I suspect it's simple: fear.
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Robbie, I couldn't agree with you more on the lack of accountability by the people that are supposed to represent us.
Like you say the list is endless but they never seem to learn from their mistakes and won't admit to making mistakes either. I know that I go on a bit, well probably more than a bit about the West Shore sea defence but there is a reason for it.
The original sea defence was built about 1952 and up to 1993 when the new sea defence was made, that part of the West Shore had no sand problems and the sea wall was never breached.
The Council were advised strongly by local people not to go ahead with the planned new sea defence as it would create catastrophic problems for the West Shore area. But what do they do? The nodding Donkeys at the Council meeting gave it the go ahead
Can the residents of the West Shore make a compensation claim against the Council or Councillors then I very much doubt it as they would claim that it's an act of God caused by living near the sea. It's not though, it was a man made shambles from the start and is being allowed to continue by the CCBC
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North Wales housing developers XXXXX XXXXX have claimed the coveted title of Housebuilder of the Year at a prestigious regional awards ceremony.
ref Pioneer no link, as Hugo is still in celebratory mode, and I hate to see a grown man bawling.gif
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North Wales housing developers XXXXX XXXXX have claimed the coveted title of Housebuilder of the Year at a prestigious regional awards ceremony.
ref Pioneer no link, as Hugo is still in celebratory mode, and I hate to see a grown man bawling.gif
Naughty boy Steve $smack$
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Congratulations to Anwyl Homes who claimed the coveted title of Housebuilder of the Year at a prestigious regional awards ceremony
In the acceptance speech the spokesman said "At Anwyl, we have a strong focus on quality, working together on site to deliver thoughtfully designed and expertly constructed homes for our purchasers, and a commitment to excellence is at the heart of everything that we do.”
After the ceremony, they were asked about the Penmorfa site at Llandudno and someone admitted that progress had been slow over the last 15 years but that they were now entering an exciting new phase on the development.
An entrance had been opened to the site and a 5 mph sign had been erected at the entrance. This was for H & S reasons to prevent lorries and wind blown sand from entering the site too quickly
They were now entering into secret negotiations with CCBC about thoughtfully designed and expertly constructed homes on the site and hoped that the new planning application for 666 apartments would be submitted soon
Completion of the new development is expected around 2035
Congratulations should also be extended to the other contestant in this prestigious competition who came a very close runner up.
At No 2 position was the ever popular Mr Alan Waldron
Mr Waldron was unavailable for comment but was believed to have gone for a swim in his private Spa next to the Grand Hotel
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Brilliant summary Hugo , I like the secret Negotiations with CCBC I wonder if these are to adopt the latest design of a barrack block structure , I suspect our good councillors and officials cant wait to approve them , they could appoint Mr Waldron as a consultant ,he appears to be just the man , as I have said no accountability they will do as they please .
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A developer that demolished the “Alice in Wonderland” hotel in Llandudno says plans for the empty site will be submitted in the “very near future”.
Blah Blah Blah https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/alice-wonderland-hotel-plans-submitted-17882457 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/alice-wonderland-hotel-plans-submitted-17882457)
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After Anwyl have had meetings with the CCBC behind closed doors it will be interesting to see what they come up with next
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Wonder who licks the brown envelopes 🤔
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Wonder who licks the brown envelopes 🤔
Remind me to tell you something when I see you next Norman
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I wonder how many apartments Anwyl will apply for this time and how many will be affordable?
2006 application for 25 apartments
2008 " 28 "
2018 " 51 "
2020 Anybody's guess &shake&
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/)
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When I read the article again, I realised that they had said exactly the same thing when they were touting for the Lego Land development
“We intend to engage with local people via community consultation events prior to the submission of any planning application.”
Meetings behind closed doors with CCBC planning office will have gone on already so why doesn't Anwyl come clean about it or submit the same plans that they originally had planning permission for.
At least those 28 apartments were in keeping with the surroundings
Alternatively they could ask Beech Homes for a copy of the plans for the apartments that Beech Homes built next door to Penmorfa. At least Beech Homes apartments blended in with the surrounding and were well built and very attractive to look at and they did not over develop the site
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Much depends on personal opinion to what is an eyesore, something attractive can be an eyesore if put in a different or inappropriate place.
If you stand on the promenade at the bottom end of Nant-y-gamar Rd in Craig-y-Don you will see that in recent years a new house has been constructed on top of the hill on the right hand side. It looks to be in a fabulous position with far reaching views and wonderfully landscaped grounds.
Whilst in construction the people who built it cut down numerous trees without the appropriate permission. I think they were ordered to replace 270 of them by replanting, they might even have had a fine too. This would have been peanuts compared to the value gained by giving the house one of the best plots in the region.
What surprises me is that I'm pretty certain that they have continued to remove trees after the initial fine, take a look and see what you think.It's so in the open now they basically have waved a couple of fingers at the local authority.
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You are right of course Dave, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but you are talking about something completely different.
It seems that you have no objection to the building in Nant Y Gamar and the CCBC has passed the plans for it too but you are objecting to the fact that the developer has cut down all those trees in order to obtain that great view
If those trees had a tree preservation order (TPO ) then they are in big trouble
A person in Sandbanks had a tree cut down in his neighbours garden, without the neighbours permission and ended up with a fine of £75K as that was the amount that they estimated his property had increased in value because of the view
You could always discuss the matter with the TPO Officer at CCBC they are pretty keen on that type of behaviour
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I was going to post this as a Quiz question but then thought that it didn't deserve that so I've posted it on local eyesores where it did deserve to be put.
The question is:- What is missing from this advert?
Minus one point for any wrong answers
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At a guess, the word Llandudno.
As an aside, the site was open and there were vans there this morning.
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I think it has been used for a while by contractors working over the road.
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Yes they used the site last year when they were fixing the sewer pipe outlet, and now doing work at the pump station.
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The first prize goes to Nemesis, so well done &well&
Perhaps in another 90 years the name Llandudno may appear in their advert
Is the smell still as strong as ever Norman, I mean from the sewer and not from the antics of Anwyl?
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Thanks for that! <:<:<:<
The pong varies, depends on the wind ! Perhaps Norman passes more often than I do these days, but it seems to depend on the weather conditions.
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I think most of the pong is from the sand in the pond nowadays, I,m nearly in tears every day looking at the mess our council have allowed to happen with all the sand 😡
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You'd think that the close proximity of both local councillors would stir matters up somewhat.
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They are just burying their heads in the sand
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New Madoc flats ref Inyourarea
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The Penthouse there is still available if you are interested Steve?
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Forty five of North Wales' most historic listed properties - with some on the brink of being lost
The region is packed full of heritage but many buildings are now in a critical condition according to Save Britain's Heritage.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/property/forty-five-north-wales-most-18244981 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/property/forty-five-north-wales-most-18244981)
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It is nice to know that the future of the Engedi Welsh Calvinistic Methodist Church looks promising now that plans are in the pipeline for conversion into apartments. It has been an eyesore for years
The Engedi Welsh Calvinistic Methodist chapel, on Woodland Road West in Colwyn Bay, first opened its doors to worshipers in 1879. The Methodist church closed in 1987 and the building was then used as a place of worship by the Elim Pentecostal Church in the 1990s before falling into disuse around the turn of the millennium.
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Controversial plans for a co-op in Conwy withdrawn ..... but for now only
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/controversial-co-op-plan-next-18372143 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/controversial-co-op-plan-next-18372143)
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I wonder how long the people living in these nice apartments will have to wait before the eyesore next door starts getting developed?
More importantly will Anwyl try to design apartments that blend in with the surroundings? &shake
Anwyl should be ashamed of the way that they have treated Llandudno and it hasn't done their reputation any favours either
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I had a quick look at the Pier Pavilion site while I was in Llandudno yesterday but nothing has changed since I last saw it apart from the fact that the water level seemed to have gone down
What's Waldron up to nowadays?
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I had a quick look at the Pier Pavilion site while I was in Llandudno yesterday but nothing has changed since I last saw it apart from the fact that the water level seemed to have gone down
What's Waldron up to nowadays?
Water levels in the pit go up or dowm depending on the hight of the tides Hugo. Spring tides with a good North Easterly blowing and the levels go up, Neap tides with Westerlies and the level fall, Just as an aside, did you happen to notice the rats running around in broad daylight at the back of the Amusment Arcade.
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The rat population will be having a field day with all these unoccupied buildings.
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Not content with messing Llandudno and the CCBC about with their tactics Anwyl Construction are now doing the same trick in Abergele.
They have already got planning permission for a controversial 73 home scheme in Abergele and the company has now applied to change a third of them and add eight more
In Llandudno as everyone may know, Anwyl applied to have 25 apartments built on the site of the Penmorfa Hotel. Permission was granted on condition that the original part of the hotel remained and the side extensions could be demolished.
Anwyl demolished the side extensions But neglected the original section then applied for that to be demolished ( as it wasn't viable ) but applied for a further three apartments to be built.
They demolished the central section immediately after permission was granted but the did nothing else whatsoever. and the planning application's time limit has long since expired
A half baked Lego style of 54 apartments was touted around but nothing seems to have happened to that now and Llandudno is not on the Anwyl radar for 2020 anyway so it's time that CCBC made enquiries with Anwyl to see what their intension is for the Penmorfa eyesore
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HUGO I think Anwyl`s site in Abergele is I believe is in partnership with a Housing Association and by press reports it is no less controversial and you can be certain it will be profitable to Anwyl .as will the West Shore development ,I think you can be certain that with CCBC track record the 54 apartment scheme will be the most likely outcome .
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Looking back on the Artist's impression of what the Penmorfa apartments would look like, I think that they looked really nice and would have fitted in very well with the surrounding properties.
The only trouble for Anwyl is that there were only 28 apartments in their plan in 2006 and since then apart from demolishing the building they have done virtually nothing to the site and given the CCBC the run around
When will they ever build there?
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Yes Hugo the plans before looked good, would have sold out in no time, and then the greed takes over and once again our council are useless.
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Whoever owns the recently built house on Nant-y-Gamar Rd ( the one overlooking Craig-y-Don where they cut down over 250 trees without permission) is displaying their lack of good taste with strobe Christmas lights that appear as if they have a funfair ride up there. They obviously have no shame in their vandalism either by drawing attention to what they have done.
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I must admit that I had quite a shock when I read the NWWN today. At page 3 was the headline " Fresh plan for site of former " Alice in Wonderland hotel"
Anwyl state that they aim to begin a consultation process in the Spring with the intention to submit a full planning application for Summer 2021.
According to Anwyl the design will really complement the natural beautiful landscape upon which the site sits
I may be way off the mark but interpreting the Anwyl speak it means that they will try and fit as many apartments as possible on the site. The original application granted in about 2008 was for 28 apartments but the time limit for that expired many years ago. In recent years a Lego style building was suggested with about 54 apartments but that idea went down like a lead balloon.
Will the new building look like and have the same number of apartments as the one that application was granted for them in 2008? Will it also complement the apartments next door? &shake&
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Llandudno's Alice hotel site set for 'improved' scheme as development team prepares plan
Let's hope that it doesn't look like the last carbuncle that was mooted by Anwyl a few years ago
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudnos-alice-hotel-site-set-19550628 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudnos-alice-hotel-site-set-19550628)
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I dread to think what this council are going to allow Anwyll to build on there, this council and planning dept are shocking.
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They are my thoughts too Norman. I don't know if you have seen any planning Committee meetings on line this year but the one I saw was a farce and I'll tell you about it when I see you again as it is prudent for me not to post it online
All those letters of objections are never seen by the Councillors. The Planning Officer at CCBC will make notes of the objections and show them only like bullet points to the Councillors
Years ago when we had a controversial application in our street we held a meeting in a resident's house and it was attended by an MP and MEP on invitation. We then wrote two objection letters one to the CCBC and the other was delivered personally to each and every Councillor on the Planning Committee.
The developers have meetings with the Planning Officer beforehand to try and get round obstacles in their way and by the end of it are on first name terms with the Planning Officer
We were lucky that time and the application was refused
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Yes I've looked on line and I've attended a few meetings at bodlondeb what an eye opener, I don't think they liked the owner of the pavilion site every time he put plans in he got knocked back, one lot I seen looked OK on the drawings, but this Waldron seems to get away with things, good job Adam was able to knock him back.
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It's a shame that Adam Williams wasn't able to buy the site, Tuscons was under the Pavilion before and it was a great place to go to.
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It certainly was, Hugo.
My worry is if Mr Waldron decides one day to buy the hotel next door, demolish it and submit a revised set of development plans encompassing both sites.
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Can't really see that happening Brian, don't think he'd have the funds for that, more to this site than what is public. 🤔
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I think that you are right Norman, Waldron needs outside funding to continue with his project. Interesting comment about the site and the public ?{}?
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Has anyone heard about any plans by Anwyl submitting a planning application for the former Penmorfa Hotel site?
Anwyl seem to be building everywhere bar the hotel site and they had promised to submit a planning application this Summer
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No surprises with these builders CCBC beware!
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/alice-wonderland-linked-site-dubbed-21251599 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/alice-wonderland-linked-site-dubbed-21251599)
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Hugo ccbc are useless now, over the years they have allowed Anwyll to build all over Conwy, they should have been told years ago to get building on that site, I fear for our town with this council.
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You've good reasons for fearing for the future of Llandudno if CCBC's track record is anything to go by. Anwyl enjoyed the same perks with the Rhyl Council years ago but I'll tell you more about that when I see you next.
As for the Penmorfa Hotel site, Anwyl unexpectedly got planning application in 2006 to build 25 apartments. Following that Beech Developments received planning application to build apartments on part of the site but subject to certain conditions. One of those conditions being that the apartments had to fit in with the surrounding properties such as the Penmorfa Hotel.
Beech Developments did this and built an attractive apartment complex that fitted in with the surroundings. Sadly the thoughtless action of Anwyl means that these nice apartments have been next to an untidy building site for years
While I'm on a rant have you noticed the lack of farm animals on the land at Bodafon Farm? I'm informed that Mostyn Estates' intension is to make the land unviable for farming and to change it's use to building land, just watch this space and see how Anwyl get on with their planning application for those 49 properties
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Mostyn est can't wait to get rid of the guy from the farm, them few houses will only be the start, they are not bothered about the town it's money to them, 😡, they have robbed so much off the people of this town, Janet finch is saying she is against them houses on bodafon only because she lives up that way and they all vote for her, but she's also with Mostyns 😳, so bad here now. 😢
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Hugo
Sorry for the delay in replying to your article and while I agree with your comments I think it is rather simplistic to blame one company .Coastal North Wales has been destroyed by various administrator's with their mass building programs , with a legacy of geriatric dormitories and havens for drug addicts and all the problems they bring . We are now reaping the results of their mismanagement , hospital waiting times etc , it is estimated that Gloddaeth Avenue from Chapel Street ? to the West Shore costs the various authorities in excess of £ 2 million for health care , reduced council tax etc.per annum , multiply this amount to the rest of the coast it is a mouth watering sum , which will not improve under the present administrators which includes Mostyn Estate`s input , that we are still allowing new build property to be marketed as leasehold is a disgrace ( Llan Jct ) .
I do feel for you Hugo over The Penmorfa site one can only hope that common sense will prevail , but I wouldn't hold my breath .
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I'm afraid that I'm a bit cynical when it comes to developers and if you don't trust them then you won't be disappointed by what they get up to. I could say more but it's prudent for me not to do so.
They often submit applications for outline planning but then change them as we have all seen
Anwyl's attitude to the Penmorfa Hotel site and Llandudno in general is nothing short of disgusting. Having said all that Anwyl do build good homes and Rhyl has many examples of their estates. Mostyn Estates attitude and the leasehold scheme is beyond contempt and belongs to the distant past
You are right about the building programmes in North Wales, Rhyl and Colwyn Bay have had homes of multiple occupation for years and Llandudno has them too but they are called apartments
On another mater concerning apartments, I was talking to someone last night and was informed that work on the luxury apartment complex next to Rhos on Sea Golf Course may be coming to a halt due to certain problems
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In January Anwyl said it is due to start consultations on amended proposals ahead of putting in a new planning application this summer. But the sector has since been hit with a spike in the cost of supplies - as well as shortages for some products.
The developer says while they remain committed to developing the site that there was a need to keep it under review at this time to ensure any scheme is “viable”.
Anwyl is a "reputable company" and been in business for many years so their latest excuse is a bit lame and CCBC should be prepared for some ugly monstrosity of upwards of over 50 apartments to make it "viable"
Plans in for former Slaters of Abergele site and closed down hotel and pub The car showroom closed in 2018 while the Bee Hotel has now been shut for four years The acquisition of the land paves the way for the biggest single scheme in Cartrefi Conwy’s history.
That should keep Anwyl busy for years to come, after all it's only 16 years since Anwyl had permission to build apartments on the Penmorfa site
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/plans-former-slaters-abergele-site-21347584 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/plans-former-slaters-abergele-site-21347584)
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HAVE plans for this site in Penmorfa been kicked into the long grass?
That is the question being asked after a full planning application - due to be submitted this Summer 2021 - failed to materialise.
Earlier this year, Anwyl Homes appointed a development team and a consultation process was planned for the Spring.
The developer has since said that they had been hit by building costs as well as other issues, but they remain "committed" to ensuring the West Shore site is developed.
Phil Dolan, managing director for Anwyl Homes Cheshire and North Wales, said: “Due to the ongoing impact of Covid on build costs and our supply chain, there is a need to keep all sites under review to ensure they are viable to develop at the right time. This is particularly important for apartment developments which require substantial financial resource and many specialist contractors and suppliers due to their bespoke nature.
"Options for this site remain under regular review and we remain committed to the long-term future of the Penmorfa site.”
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19526508.delay-alice-wonderland-hotel-development-llandudno-described-backwards-step/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19526508.delay-alice-wonderland-hotel-development-llandudno-described-backwards-step/)
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Phil Dolan, managing director for Anwyl Homes Cheshire and North Wales, said: “Due to the ongoing impact of Covid on build costs and our supply chain, there is a need to keep all sites under review to ensure they are viable to develop at the right time. This is particularly important for apartment developments which require substantial financial resource and many specialist contractors and suppliers due to their bespoke nature.
What a load of rubbish spouted by Phil Dolan &shake&
They applied for planning permission in 2008 and the photo below shows the apartments that Anwyl wanted to build. Why didn't they build those apartments then and not wait 13 years to have a rethink?
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Hugo Profit and more profit and double or treble the number of apartments originally applied for , if CCBC had any serious concerns about the site they have plenty of measures they could take .
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You are spot on about the profits Robbie, It's just ££££££'s when Anwyl think about the Penmorfa site, but they did pay £2.4 million for it about 15 years ago.
I'm surprised that a model of the last proposed apartment block was not displayed in St John's Church as it would have complimented the other Lego items
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Anwyl targets future growth following record completions for 2021
https://www.wales247.co.uk/anwyl-targets-future-growth-following-record-completions-for-2021?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.wales247.co.uk/anwyl-targets-future-growth-following-record-completions-for-2021?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)
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Anwyl targets future growth following record completions for 2021
https://www.wales247.co.uk/anwyl-targets-future-growth-following-record-completions-for-2021?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.wales247.co.uk/anwyl-targets-future-growth-following-record-completions-for-2021?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)
$donald$ $donald$
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Anwyl will be lucky to hit any sort of targets if the rumour regarding Factories & Industrial Plants making bricks & cement are slowing down & some shutting altogether, due to rocketing Gas & Electric prices. Plus the fact if they do remain open there will be massive price hikes, making properties a lot more expensive, so could be left with a lot of unsold houses on their hands.
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or accept a lower profit margin, Meleri?
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Don't be silly Bri $donald$
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Developer to build over 100 homes at North Wales seaside town
Anwyl Homes has acquired land in Rhyl to extend the Parc Aberkinsey estate
Seems that Anwyl has forgotten about the Penmorfa Hotel site. It's been about 15 years since the original planning application was granted, how much longer does the town have to wait until this busy firm submits another one for this tatty looking building site?
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/developer-build-over-100-homes-22379862 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/developer-build-over-100-homes-22379862)
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I thought there was a time limit on planning applications unless you had started some work on the site
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Five years, normally, but if you've only put the footings in then it's unlimited, I think.
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I thought there was a time limit on planning applications unless you had started some work on the site
As Ian has said the time limit is 5 years and this company in 2013 said that work had commenced on the site as "they had laid a pipe to it"
Under a FOI Act I received a letter from CCBC saying that the pipe hadn't reached the development site so it was deemed that work had not been started on the site.
They bought the site around 2006 for £2.4 million so it's a lot of cash to be sitting on even for Anwyl
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I am not alone in being disturbed by the amount of dog faeces that has been left on the streets and pavements including the promenade of late. Is this because people are walking their dogs after dark and think they can get away with it? Mind you, yesterday five horses/riders were walking along the prom before heading up Marine drive and around the Orme and the mess they left behind was the equivalent of many dogs! Do they not have a responsibility to pick up after them too?
Meanwhile back in Craig-y-Don Park the remains of a burnt out litter bin started by the fireworks that also littered the place along with a pack of Aldi Cider and empty cans was another disheartening sight.The last few walks through that park I have seen underaged drinking and cannabis smoking.It's not what you want to see in a park where people take their children to play but there is no law enforcement that seems to do anything about it.
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Eyesores in the 'Queen of Welsh Resorts' and what's happening to them
The prime sites are currently empty but there are plans on the horizon
As for Anwyl Construction, in their last update the developer said while they remain committed to developing the site, that there was a need to keep it under review at this time to ensure any scheme is ?viable?.
Just when will Anwyl consider the site viable? Perhaps it'll be viable when they are allowed to build 100's of apartments on the site.
It's a shame that a reputable builder hasn't bought the land off them
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/eyesores-queen-welsh-resorts-whats-26373865
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Developer wants to build 135 homes on edge of small North Wales village
The properties would all be classed as 'affordable' ( take that statement with a pinch of salt after all this is Anwyl Homes talking )
The proposed development may not be local but don't forget that Anwyl Homes is responsible for the eyesore at the old Penmorfa Hotel site on the West Shore. Planning permission was first granted there in 2006 and the firm has done nothing since. Neither has CCBC for that matter
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/developer-wants-build-135-homes-30257617
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Why it's so hard to get affordable housing in Conwy, according to council leader
Although I have a small amount of sympathy for CCBC on planning matters and lack of Council owned land it does not seem to present a problem for developers. Take Anwyl Construction for example, They have made and been granted planning application on a green field site at Bodafon Farm for 49 houses with only about 17 of them being affordable. Why didn't they insist on 100% being affordable?
Incidentally Anwyl had permission in 2006 for 25 apartments on the site of the former Penmorfa Hotel but here we are, almost 20 years down the line, and the application for building those apartments has long since expired while there seems to be no progress on the horizon
I'm sure Hugo won't mind my quoting his excellent post from around three years ago but Anwyl's behaviour on the West shore is a compelling reason why Conwy needs its own builders.
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Thanks very much for your kind words Ian. If Anwyl Homes gets the planning application passed then the Welsh name of Pentre Cythraul for the village couldn't be more appropriate