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Title: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 16, 2010, 04:43:26 PM
Tonight the Met office has issued Flash warnings for the entire North Wales Area, but how much of this will we see?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 16, 2010, 04:52:22 PM
we have warnings of ice most days but rarely in Penrhyn Bay, inland no doubt it is, seems ever since 'the big storm' of 1987 and the Michael Fish incident they predict doom and gloom and sometimes they are right  L0L

BBC weather blooper by Michael Fish storm of 1987 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqs1YXfdtGE#)
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 08:24:30 AM
Problems are more over Bangor way this morning, with heavy snow from Conwy area onwards. I don't believe any buses are running at present to/from Bangor as a lorry has jackknifed on the A55.

Colwyn Bay/Llandudno area is better, main roads/bus routes are mostly clear but side roads are ropey.
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Post by: Nemesis on December 17, 2010, 08:36:38 AM
Ouch-- for ropey read slippy !!
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 08:54:38 AM
Black Gate on the Orme is in complete chaos this morning after nothing more than a faint sprinkling of snow. One car went down the hill go to the Junction did a 180 degree turn and is now positioned with it's rear wheels off the ground and half way up the traffic lights. The ambulance came to treat the driver and is now stuck on the junction with nowhere to go until it thaws. I've tried to use what little grit was left in the grit box but to no avail. I rang the police to report the accident and they appeared very quickly. There's now a gritter on the way but it can't get up the hill.
Title: Re: black gate
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 09:36:12 AM
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There's now a gritter on the way but it can't get up the hill.
Outstanding!
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
The gritter finally got up the hill and things are moving again. The car is currently being recovered from the traffic lights and the council highways deparment are on scene trying to get the traffic light post back to the vertical position again. Thankfully the lady who was driving the spinning car has no serious injuries.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 10:07:29 AM
Why would anyone try to drive down that hill in these weather conditions?!
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 10:13:24 AM
The big test will be next time there is snow forecast. Will the lesson have been learned that it costs less to grit the road in the first place rather than having to get people up here to recover from the chaos after the event.
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 10:14:39 AM
CCBC have only 8 days supply of Grit left, and that is reserved for major roads in the County.
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 10:22:18 AM
today during and after
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
Good photos, the road has cleared a lot.
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Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
Nice story and good photos Medz.  If I was you I'd stay put in the warmth and have a coffee while looking at the fantastic view of the Bay that you've got.
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Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 01:06:57 PM
Just been on the phone to my friend in Llandegfan Anglesey and it's snowing heavily at the moment and there is about seven inches of snow in his street.  According to BBC North West Wales Anglesey and the Bangor area have been worst affected with up to twelve inches of snow in parts.
We've been lucky and escaped with just a small amount of snow and I've just finished clearing the drive of snow again.  Heard that it was bad in Conwy too, perhaps the Conwy people will let us know.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 02:32:16 PM
It's snowing up here again and sticking on the drive but I'm not going to clear the snow again as it looks like there is more to come.
 :rage:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 02:56:09 PM
Very heavy shower of snow in Llandudno/Colwyn Bay just now, has just passed over.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 17, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
just been out in it, feeding the pigeons  D)

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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 03:33:31 PM
Some photos of Llandudno this afternoon:
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Post by: Nemesis on December 17, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Just got back indoors before another heavy shower of snow. Shocking underfoot in parts.
Heard this a.m. on the radio that Llanberis was cut off !
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 04:37:36 PM
That was about 2 inches of snow in half an hour here in Colwyn Bay. All roads are very dodgy, bus services have come to a halt - best stay indoors!
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Post by: Bellringer on December 17, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
4" of snow on the roof of my car parked in the drive on the outskirts of Conwy - just measured it as a matter of interest!
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
The scene in Rhos On Sea a little earlier:
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Post by: margo on December 17, 2010, 05:28:49 PM
anyone going out in the car don't attempt maesdu bridge watching from the comfort of my living room there is single file traffic, wheel spinning, sliding back down the bridge and people trying to push the cars with not a lot of luck!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 05:35:21 PM
Thanks for the info, Margo.  :)  If anyone has information relating to conditions in their local area, please feel free to post it on here.

Last time I heard from Fester, he was outside the Carlton in Llandudno helping to push a car that had hit the roundabout.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: suepp on December 17, 2010, 05:41:34 PM
it seems that you have it much worse than us this time. Here in Ruthin we had a light covering first thing with nothing much since, but the pavements are treacherous
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Post by: Bri Roberts on December 17, 2010, 06:05:48 PM
My wife's Avon Lady has just called to our home on Liddell Park and said her daughter has just taken an hour to get from St Davids College !!!

Our eldest daughter was hoping to go home to Llan Jct by taxi but the taxis are only travelling within Llandudno and are not going out of town for the time being.
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 07:01:27 PM
I needed to drop my son off at LL Junction station around 5pm this afternoon,couldn't get a taxi to go there and against all logic decided to try and get down from the Orme to the station.  That was possibly one of the most horrific 30 minutes journeys I have ever encountered. I've got a car with rear wheel drive that turns into a sledge when there is snow or frost about so it was never going to be easy. Ironically Black Gate was no problem  as that had been gritted following this mornings accident! Once I got beyond there I travelled downhill lifting my foot gradually off the brake pedal every time I'd managed to forget just how bad an experience I'd had last time I took my foot off the pedal. 2/3rds of the way down we encountered the first car struggling on the side of the road trying to get up the hill. Plenty of room for us both to struggle until an idiotic  boy racer decided to over take the car going up and headed straight for me. Fortunately he came to an abrupt halt on the snow as well.  So we were then all three cars going down the hill in a line me going forwards and sideways the other two going backwards and sideways. I got to the Empire hotel corner eventually and went slowly along Mostyn Street only to be confronted by a group of youths outside the Church treating the slow moving  cars as a coconut shy with snow balls. We then hit the tail of all the traffic stacked up by being moved through the ASDA junction by 2 harassed and unfortunately verbally abused  policemen.    At that point I decided that was it went back towards town and parked somewhere flat ! and walked up the hill for a well earned drink. The lessons to be learned from this experience is for my wife is to hide the car keys from me when ever it snows and for me to follow Hugo's advice and stay in the house with a coffee.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
Great photos of Rhos on Sea Dave, I could see the snow from my window and watched the cars going very slowly along the Promenade. Haven't seen it that bad for years.
We've had a lot of snow up on Colwyn Heights and when I tried to take a photo of the snow the flash came on, hence all the white dots all over the photo!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 07:48:13 PM
Driving and walking back through town tonight at about 5pm and there being no cars parked so no shoppers made me wonder how much has been lost in takings by  shops on this last full Friday before Christmas.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
Llanrwst and the hills around have had about 10 - 12" today;  A470 was cut off several times, but I think it's now clear.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: suepp on December 18, 2010, 02:28:34 AM
I know  two local restaurants  have had all bookings cancelled  tonight from being originally fully booked. :'( there must be more as this is the busiest night of the year for staff parties
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 18, 2010, 09:34:41 AM
Just returned in from feeding everything. 9" of snow in the back garden-- the pup thinks it is wonderful, but I'm not so sure !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2010, 10:21:25 AM
Just come back from walking in Colwyn Heights and there has been more snow overnight and there were two mini snow ploughs out in St Andrews Road.     The Pen Y Bryn Car park is covered in deep snow and just one chap digging out a driveway from the gate to the front door. Looks like 4 X 4 vehicles only for the car park.
No milk,bread or papers at the shop but I got my lottery ticket just in case and only one lady working there as the others probably hadn't been able to make it to work.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2010, 10:28:34 AM
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Just returned in from feeding everything. 9" of snow in the back garden-- the pup thinks it is wonderful, but I'm not so sure !

Glad Frizzy likes the snow, has he come in covered in snowballs?   Marco likes it too and when he comes in his legs are covered in them but at least he enjoys it.  The snow is quite deep here and we had another snowfall overnight.
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Post by: Paddy on December 18, 2010, 10:50:15 AM
It's all very pretty and festive but can we have a thaw now please so I can go to work?
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Post by: TheMedz on December 18, 2010, 10:55:36 AM
A real "I don't believe it" Victor Meldrew moment. A gritter has just made it up the Orme.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 18, 2010, 11:32:29 AM
CCBC has drawn from their pool of standby farmers with tractors and snow ploughs to clear the rural roads, but in many cases scraping off the top layer of snow simply makes it worse. The big 4 x 4s manage well in thick snow, but not when the road has been scraped unless it's also been heavily gritted.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Main road from colwyn bay to llandudno is clear, no. 12 buses are now running normally. Side roads are melting fast but still dangerous in places.
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Post by: Bellringer on December 18, 2010, 12:37:17 PM
Our local farmer went past with his big red tractor and snow-plough, last night and first thing this morning.

The weight of snow is making the lower branches on our monkey puzzle tree hang down!

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 02:36:43 PM
Have been in central Llandudno all day - in that time, I've not seen one council employee, van, lorry. The pavements along the main shopping streets are absolutely lethal. I would call CCBC's response pathetic but that would imply that they had actually done something...and they haven't. If I was a shop, cafe, bar owner in Llandudno, I would be raising hell about this on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. Credit to the Victoria Centre who cleared the entire pavement along their frontage.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Yorkie on December 18, 2010, 03:02:00 PM
I remember years ago we would all clear our own frontages and throw out the cold ashes from the coal fires which we kept for such a purpose.  They were great for making the pavements easier to walk on.

In this weather you cannot expect the Council to do everything, especially as their workers are probably having the same problems as us with getting around.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 03:11:24 PM
I don't expect them to do everything, however, I do expect them to do something. If they can't at very least make an attempt to keep the busiest street in the whole of Conwy County free from snow, then what hope is there? They managed to do it a few years ago when we had heavy snow.
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Post by: Pendragon on December 18, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
Never mind the snow Hugo I just want your dog, its gorgeous  :D
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Post by: Bellringer on December 18, 2010, 03:39:31 PM
I have just seen a gritter lorry go past, driven by a man living just up the road - he seems to be working flat out.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 06:14:00 PM
In the old days, all of the Council's lorries had a bracket fitted on the front for use with a blade to clear snow, They also had a trailer attached with a salt spreading machine on, and a workman used to stand on the back of the lorry shovelling salt into it. This was used to clear all the flat minor roads in the area, leaving the main gritters to deal with the A roads.

In addition, two men in a tipper truck used to go around all the pedestrian crossings/bus shelters/main pavement areas in the town spreading grit/salt by hand.

What has happened to all this?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 06:15:57 PM
Llandudno Promenade this morning:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5271834876_dcb8250bfb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271834876/)
Llandudno Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271834876/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5271223923_3bb7d0ea61_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271223923/)
Llandudno Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271223923/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 06:24:39 PM
Llandudno Pier in the Snow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5164/5271866594_debfd93244_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271866594/)
Pier In the Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271866594/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: Jack on December 18, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
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Have been in central Llandudno all day - in that time, I've not seen one council employee, van, lorry. The pavements along the main shopping streets are absolutely lethal. I would call CCBC's response pathetic but that would imply that they had actually done something...and they haven't. If I was a shop, cafe, bar owner in Llandudno, I would be raising hell about this on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. Credit to the Victoria Centre who cleared the entire pavement along their frontage.

I couldn't agree more, the pavements by Lloyds Bank and Trinity Church are absolutely horrendous, people grabbing hold to each other, the wall and anything else they can find.  Tonight will be horrendous for the Christmas partygoers with a drink or two inside them and ladies (and men!) in unsuitable footwear and the taxi drivers are in for a tough and slippy night.  CCBC are a disgrace, its a false economy not gritting, how much will it cost the NHS to treat the broken bones etc etc that possibly would have been preventable if the council had gritted what are major thoroughfares?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 18, 2010, 06:47:05 PM
Geat pics as ever Dave  $cool$
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 18, 2010, 06:54:16 PM
We walked to the Co Op in Penrhyn Bay (we live in the Penrhyn Beach Estate) this morning, the roads were sheet ice, pavements were  ok to walk in the snow, only grit we saw was outside the Co Op. So where is the grit on the side roads and pavements, as has been said it's more expensive fixing broken bones etc (I slipped on ice almost 4 years ago and broke my right wrist badly, it now has metalwork in it) but I suppose as it comes from a different budget they think it does'nt matter, but it does! it's all  our money   :rage:
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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
Pier in the snow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5204/5271399063_d82b938903_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271399063/)
Llandudno Pier Snow Scene (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271399063/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: Fester on December 18, 2010, 08:28:10 PM
Thats the best Pic of all Dave.

This afternoon, Mrs F and I met Dave R for a coffee, and on the way to meet him it was not easy to walk, but with care it was passable.

However, on the way back to our car, it had dropped colder and the pavements were utterly lethal.
I watched people outside the NatWest slipping and falling.  2 police officers (PCSO's) were having a frindly chat with the landlord of The Townhouse...and I heard him mention that he had been TOLD NOT TO GRIT OUTSIDE !    God knows what that was all about.

I then did the reverse of the journey that Medz earlier related, going up The Orme, (last night that was impossible, I left the car on Upper Mostyn St)
As he said, it was OK up to Black Gate.... but as soon as I got onto Llwynon Road it was pretty scary stuff.
I inched the car into a safe-ish place, sliding all over the place.... and its not moving for the foreseeable future!

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Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2010, 10:40:30 PM
Great photos of Llandudno Dave, I especially like the one of the Pier in the snow.   I just wish that I could have driven to Llandudno to see the conditions for myself.   As it turned out I was going nowhere and spent the afternoon digging out my drive.
I'm hoping to get some of those Yaktrax from Cotswolds to make walking easier on the pavements up here as it's just lethal now.
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Post by: Nemesis on December 19, 2010, 10:53:33 AM
Looking at your pics on another thread Hugo, don't think you'll be driving anywhere! safer to stay put-- cheese on toast for lunch ! Do take care.
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Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 11:21:30 AM
As you know now Nemesis I'm going nowhere today and that's good advice of yours to stay put. It's much safer to do so.    I took Marco for a very short walk today and the icy conditions are even worse I was glad to get back in one piece.
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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 11:35:26 AM
And it's cold this morning, -9C first thing and not much warmer now.
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Post by: DaveR on December 19, 2010, 11:48:05 AM
It looks as though CCBC have finally been stirred into action in Llandudno. The pavements along Mostyn Street have been gritted.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 19, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
this morning it was -5 C in Penrhyn Bay, a heatwave compared to some!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 01:23:28 PM
The snow is melting a bit in the back of our house which is south facing but the front is frozen solid.   Our dog has been swishing his face in the snow and has been coming in with snowballs on his whiskers as well as his feet!
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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
Currently -11C outside our front door here in Conwy
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Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 07:40:22 PM
It's the same inside my house Bellringer, the central heating boiler has finally died!      :weeping:
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Post by: DaveR on December 19, 2010, 07:43:18 PM
Oh no! Is it covered by a maintenance contract?
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Post by: Fester on December 19, 2010, 07:58:19 PM
 :o :o :o   If not,  let us all know on here.... I have a halogen heater I just bought.... I'll loan you that.

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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 08:21:54 PM
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It's the same inside my house Bellringer, the central heating boiler has finally died!      :weeping:

I'm sorry to hear that Hugo. A few years ago we had trouble with our boiler a day or two before Christmas and there was no chance of getting a replacement part until early January. The engineer gave us the choice of having the heating or hot water and we chose the heating as that Christmas was a cold one too. Fortunately we had a gas hob and therefore able to heat water in the old kettle we had, and some saucepans. Missed having a shower for a few days but I think we chose the best option.
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Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 08:53:32 PM
Dave, the boiler is 10 years old and we knew that it was on its last legs and didn't have a maintenance contract for it BUT we certainly will with our new boiler.

Fester, thank you very much for your kind offer which is really appreciated. We do have a good gas fire and also electic oil heaters so we should be ok and I've got a lot of warm walking gear that I'm putting to good use now.
The bedroom may be cold but we've got a 26 Tog duvet plus a quilt on top so we'll be as warm as toast once we decide to go to bed. I was hoping to watch Match of the Day tonight but that's off too.   :(

Bellringer,  there's never a good time for the boiler to go so I can sympathise with you there.  We'll get by the same as you did and will make sure that we get the security of a maintenance contract next time.

PS   Latest news:-
Thanks Bellringer for having a word with some one as if I'm not mistaken the boiler has just done a Lazarus and I can hear some noises coming from it and the radiators are already starting to warm up.  Hope it continues until the replacement arrives (whenever that may be)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 19, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
10 years seems a short life for a boiler! we moved here in July and the boiler's working fine and it's ten years old! I'll keep my fingers crossed!
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Post by: Fester on December 19, 2010, 09:17:01 PM
Hugo, you are more than welcome.... it you decide you need anything just shout... I'll deliver!

10 years is too short a time for a boiler, the one at my last house was installed when the house was built in 1985, and was in fine fettle when I sold it this year.

I have a funny feeling that yours was just sulking....and it will be fine from now on!   <:<:<:<

 ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$

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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 09:18:48 PM
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Thanks Bellringer for having a word with some one

No problem, glad to be of service!
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 08:40:48 AM
If ever there was a reason needed to have a local forum, the above was it.

I* VV %0%
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
This was Betws at 1510 yesterday.  Temperature had attained the dizzy heights of -8oC
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Post by: Nemesis on December 20, 2010, 08:57:37 AM
Lovely-- but don't think I shall be venturing!
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 08:58:33 AM
The trees were a magical sight
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 09:01:11 AM
Took some of the blue cast out for this one
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 09:03:53 AM
This was taken from the car...
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Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2010, 11:54:47 AM
Lovely photos Ian, but they make me feel cold just looking at them.   
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Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2010, 12:09:32 PM
Around about  8.50 last night the boiler started up again and after a short while the house got warm again and was so warm that I could take off my gillet!       :)
The boiler is a Baxi Bahama Combi 100 which is nearly ten years old and I would have expected it to last a lot longer, Our previous boiler was about 30 years old when we replaced it with the Baxi but when I looked at the reviews of the Baxi  on the internet recently that model of boiler seems  to be plagued with problems.
I've read good reports on the Worcester Greenstar boilers and am tempted to go for one of those. Funnily enough we switched the boiler on today and it came on first time so fingers crossed for it to continue. 
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Post by: DaveR on December 20, 2010, 12:59:07 PM
One of the best reasons for having a new boiler fitted is that the latest ones are very energy efficient and will save a fortune in gas costs over their lifetime. Vaillant boilers are very good.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2010, 02:16:53 PM
Most of the new boilers are category A and are 90% efficient whereas my present Baxi is a category D and is about 79% efficient. I've heard good reports about the Vaillant boilers too and someone told me that if they ever need repairing then they are easier to access than the Worcester not that it makes any difference to me because I wouldn't be doing the repairs.
Our boiler started first time today but then went off on its own accord for a couple of hours but I've just heard it firing up again so fingers crossed.
A plumber phoned me up a short while ago and he is inundated with call outs but is going to phone me tomorrow and will call then if the boiler is still not working properly
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Post by: Yorkie on December 20, 2010, 03:14:42 PM
I had a Vaillant installed a few years ago when I put in my loft conversion and it has not been any trouble and works great.

Mark Forrest did the installation and his men were clean, tidy and efficient.  
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Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 02:01:50 PM
I drove my car for the first time in four days and went along Rhos Promenade to Llandudno and after dropping my wife off at M and S  I then went to Builder Street to drop my car off.  I knew the area had been badly hit but didn't realise just how bad it was. I haven't seen anything like it since the Winter of 1962/63, all the side roads are treacherous and you have to walk with care.   I was returning back to the Garage in Builder Street and turned left in Vaughan Street into Oxford Road when I noticed a man walking in the same direction munching a tasty looking bap.  The next minute he slipped on his back and the partly eaten bap went up in the air and all over the place.
Pity about the bap but thank goodness he was ok.
My thoughts are with the businesses like the Fat Cat and others that are losing money at this normally busy time of the year and for those like Paddy that have to work and drive in these conditions.  Hope that everyone will be safe and ok in this extreme weather.
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Post by: Nemesis on December 21, 2010, 02:09:33 PM
We're safe and well, but have resheduled Christmas until Jan 28th so hopefully our guests can travel safely and at least go out when they get here.
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Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 03:07:36 PM
Glad to hear that you are safe and sound Nemesis, you just can't be too careful in this weather.  I was speaking to an elderly gent who lives nearby and he is due to see his daughter in the Midlands but doesn't want to go because of the weather but doesn't want to offend his daughter either.
I told him that he should speak to her and she'll understand how he feels and then he can go there when the weather improves and celebrate Christmas late.
We were due to go on a coach holiday on the 23rd but decided not to go and Marco was going into kennels in Eglwysbach which would be inaccessible now. I'm glad that we decided not to go now,
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 03:15:17 PM
I remember playing football against Maesgeirchen in Bangor years ago.  It was so cold that a river by the pitch had flooded and the whole pitch was like an ice rink!
We eventually played it instead on the Quay in Bangor and I remember playing with four wooly jumpers underneath my football strip and I was still cold.  The centre forward who I was marking was cold too and played the whole game in his donkey jacket, crazy or what!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 03:32:36 PM
I don't want to seem like the prophet of doom but this year there has been an exceptional amount of snowfall in the country and mid Wales has had more than it's fair share.  The river Severn rises there and if there is a very quick thaw then there may be floods lower down as experienced in Tewkesbury a few years ago.
I remember travelling by train to Cardiff many years ago and was amazed by the flood water on the way down there.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 03:48:12 PM
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My thoughts are with the businesses like the Fat Cat and others that are losing money at this normally busy time of the year
Mr & Mrs Fester, together with myself, helped the Fat Cat out at lunchtime by stuffing our faces there. They were averagely busy, so are coping, I hope.

I noticed quite a thaw starting in town for a few hours in the early afternoon, lots of the side roads are a lot clearer.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 03:59:12 PM
I noticed this comment on the Druid's blog, which I thought was interesting:

"A lot of the trouble is the UK do not know how to handle the weather. In Germany it is your legal duty to clear your path and driveway and to clear the pavement outside your home/business to midway to the next one. If someone slips and injures themselves on your bit of pathway you are legally responsible not only for the injury bt also the medical costs of treating them (hence why Germans have personal liability insurance). Again people in North Germany have two sets of tyres - summer and winter. Winter tyres are softer, wider and with a wider grip. They also carry snowchains in their vehicles from October to March by law (along with 5 litres of fuel, a first aid kit, a bardic lamp and a breakdown triangle) and a minimum amopunt of cash €30 I think - incidentally, random car checks by the Polizei are very common in Germany and you don't get a fixed penalty for not having the kit - you get seized and your car towed away and it costs a fortune to get it back.

They also use a system known as 'Nachbarschaft'(watching neighbours) where school children between the ages of 12 & 16 are 'allocated' old people and people, sick people and living alone and they have to check on them, help them with their paths and run errands for them.

In France on the motorways they hold all vehicles at service stations and form convoys - one lorry, next one car alternately and escort them to the next service station etc."
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Post by: MrFalafel on December 21, 2010, 04:03:23 PM
An elderly lady was interviewed on the radio about how people coped with snowy weather in Britain years ago and she said that the men on each street would shovel the snow from their street (and pavements!) and everyone would generally look after everyone. The government would look after the motorways and main roads but everyone else sorted out ther own streets.

From the above descrption of Germany it appears they still do what Britain has stopped doing. I wonder why we don't do this anymore?
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Post by: Quiggs on December 21, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
When it was slippery, we used to put an old pair of socks over our shoes to provide a grip on the ice. Didn't do the socks much good though.  :D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 21, 2010, 07:12:18 PM
and then it snowed again! Just about managed to get "the sledge" up the Orme but any more and it will be impassable again up and down despite the road having been manually gritted this morning. The good news is today is the shortest day and we should now slowly but surely start to get the daylight back.
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Post by: Fester on December 21, 2010, 08:02:04 PM
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An elderly lady was interviewed on the radio about how people coped with snowy weather in Britain years ago and she said that the men on each street would shovel the snow from their street (and pavements!) and everyone would generally look after everyone. The government would look after the motorways and main roads but everyone else sorted out ther own streets.

From the above descrption of Germany it appears they still do what Britain has stopped doing. I wonder why we don't do this anymore?

Up where I live we hardly get the chance.... because one sprightly old chap (well ino his 70's) clears the paths for everyone else!
He is a fabulous bloke, and very fit...as is his wife.
Last Friday, like me, they had to abandon theit car at Upper Mostyn St and walk up the Orme.
Unlike me, they carried loads of bags of shopping...and wouldn't hear of me helping them!
They breed 'em tough in these parts.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 08:04:04 PM
It's a blinking blizzard here now.  :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on December 21, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Just arrived back from a family visit to the other side of Crewe and only encountered falling snow as we came along the South Chester by-pass. The snow became more noticeable from Abergele to Conwy via a stop in Junction. The signs on the A55 approaching the Junction say that the A470 to BYC is closed.

Glad to be home.
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Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 08:13:35 PM
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Glad to be home.
You timed it well, Stan, another hour or so and it could have been very tricky.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on December 21, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
I did question the wisdom of going but the forecast was best of the week for today, so off we went to take an old auntie out for lunch etc.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 21, 2010, 08:56:03 PM
Snowing steadily here, bet we shall have fun tomorrow with all the ice underneath it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 21, 2010, 09:07:48 PM
Car embedded in the house inbetween Old Road and Ty Gwyn Road at Black Gate on the Orme.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
It's snowing in Colwyn Heights and my drive is already covered in snow.  I'll need to dig the snow out early tomorrow because the plumber is coming here at 10.00am.
This must be the 4th time I've had to dig the snow out this month!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
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Car embedded in the house inbetween Old Road and Ty Gwyn Road at Black Gate on the Orme.

What?  the one which used to be the old shop years ago?  No one hurt I hope....
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 21, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
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It's a blinking blizzard here now.  :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:

to think one of the attractions of living here was the mld winters   _))*  its a pain but we still live in the best place  $wales  the weather forcast yesterday did'nt mention this did it? I thought it was meant to be warming up today ::)
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Post by: TheMedz on December 21, 2010, 09:56:45 PM
Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 11:17:13 PM
I've just let the dog out before going to bed and it's snowing very heavily here in Colwyn Heights and there must have been at least 6 inches of snow this evening with more to come.
I know what my job will be for tomorrow---- snow clearance again!!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2010, 11:51:32 PM
Its been snowing like mad up here on the Gt Orme all night.
Just as the road was becoming useable again, we are back to square one. ))*

Our travel plans to visit family in Yorkshire for Xmas just took a negative turn.
I have an upset wife as she had all the pressies wrapped, food bought and cards written.

Ah well, such is life.   :( :( :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 08:03:38 AM
*Looks out of window*
 >>>
*Goes back to bed*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2010, 08:22:01 AM
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I did question the wisdom of going but the forecast was best of the week for today

What I still find odd about all of his is the Met office's seeming inability to do the little things - like look out of the window.

Among its labyrinthine web pages, the met office has this one:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html)

 where you can see the warnings issued, read the detail and track the probable issues. Yesterday, the site singularly failed to show any snow falling on North Wales until 6.00pm, yet snow fell - and not inconsiderably - from 0900 onwards.  And it was continual.  Yet the only warning were for ice.  Very, very odd.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 22, 2010, 08:48:31 AM
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I did question the wisdom of going but the forecast was best of the week for today

What I still find odd about all of his is the Met office's seeming inability to do the little things - like look out of the window.

Among its labyrinthine web pages, the met office has this one:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html)

 where you can see the warnings issued, read the detail and track the probable issues. Yesterday, the site singularly failed to show any snow falling on North Wales until 6.00pm, yet snow fell - and not inconsiderably - from 0900 onwards.  And it was continual.  Yet the only warning were for ice.  Very, very odd.
 
and yet these same forcasters predict all of this climate change nonsense in 50 years time so that governments have an excuse to tax us more and they can't get tomorrow (or even today) right! :rage:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 09:32:43 AM
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Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.

Know the owner of the house in question. Hope he is OK.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 09:36:08 AM
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Its been snowing like mad up here on the Gt Orme all night.
Just as the road was becoming useable again, we are back to square one. ))*

Our travel plans to visit family in Yorkshire for Xmas just took a negative turn.
I have an upset wife as she had all the pressies wrapped, food bought and cards written.

Ah well, such is life.   :( :( :(


Same here but the other way round. No family, no paying guests, It's only common sense with the state of the roads. Saw a car do an impression of 'Dancing on Ice' down Arvon Ave this morning .
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Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 09:43:25 AM
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Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.
I'd be very nervous if If I lived in that house. They definitely need a proper crash barrier in front of it. Any photos?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 09:57:52 AM
Had a terrible job even fetching a paper, Can't manage to walk up there Sorry ! Imagine some of the locals will send pics-- hope so.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 09:59:32 AM
Update from Arriva - No buses running in Llandudno or Colwyn Bay area.

This page is updated by Arriva on a regular basis:
http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/holdingpage/ServiceUpdate.pdf (http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/holdingpage/ServiceUpdate.pdf)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 22, 2010, 10:09:29 AM
Our paperboy came on time again today.

I don't normally bother with Tudno FM but because trying to get any local news on the TV is a waste of time I switched on Tudno FM at 9am and again at 10am this morning to listen to their local and national news.

Unfortunately, there wasn't any.

What a shame.

In my opinion, today was an excellent opportunity for Tudno FM to rise to the occasion to serve our community.

Anyway, many congratulations to this Forum for providing a local service when it is needed most.

Keep up the good work.  $thanx$

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 10:15:24 AM
You know, Bri, that's astonishing, because I was literally about to type exactly the same comment myself. I have Tudno FM on here and it is just back to back Christmas music since I switched it on. I had been hoping for information on the situation locally - what roads are open/closed, what buses/trains are running, those sort of things. Instead...nothing. What a waste of time.  ))*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 10:16:42 AM
Arriva Trains Wales are currently showing delays of 60 minutes on all North Wales Coast services.

ATW service information here:
http://ht.ly/3t21p (http://ht.ly/3t21p)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2010, 10:31:31 AM
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Instead...nothing. What a waste of time.

Perhaps we should make an approach to the TFM management team and suggest some sort or permanent liaison between TFM and 3Towns?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: MrFalafel on December 22, 2010, 10:32:17 AM
I'm working away from North Wales this week and today is my last day. I now have the choice of driving back to Conwy tonight or tomorrow morning.

Looking at the Jam Cams it doesn't look very promising to travel tonight. But will tomorrow be any better?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northwestwales/#jamcams (http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northwestwales/#jamcams)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2010, 11:17:53 AM
It's bad up here on Colwyn Heights, when I went to the shops they only managed to get the papers from the Bay because someone had a 4 X 4 and went down for them. No other deliveries made to the shop and the car park at the Pen Y Bryn Pub is snowed up.
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Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 11:57:16 AM
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I'm working away from North Wales this week and today is my last day. I now have the choice of driving back to Conwy tonight or tomorrow morning.

Looking at the Jam Cams it doesn't look very promising to travel tonight. But will tomorrow be any better?
The A55 is fine but the problem occurs when you leave it! I suspect things might improve a touch tomorrow.
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Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 11:59:46 AM
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Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.
Photo below courtesy of Ali via Nemesis:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 12:04:41 PM
Some pics from up on the Orme, again courtesy of Ali via Nemesis:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2010, 01:04:29 PM
Those pictures show just how bad it is for everyone in the area, I wonder what time they were taken.   It's surprising how clear everything  is at night when there's snow on the ground
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Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 01:08:37 PM
As far as I know they were taken early this morning.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 22, 2010, 01:09:28 PM
I've just come in after visiting Asda where it is heaving and no doubt will be like that until 10pm tonight and beyond.

After the shopping, I went for a gym and swim at Llandudno Swimming Centre just after 12.30pm and it has already closed because of the weather.

No comment !!

I also went into Craig-y-Don after to check the office and I could not believe the roads still haven't been cleared/gritted along Mostyn Avenue and Queens Road since it first snowed last Friday afternoon.

The shop keepers cannot be very happy.

I suppose if they don't clear the road then Arriva will not be sending a Number 12 bus through to Llandudno from Rhyl for a while.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 01:14:09 PM
Problems?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 01:33:27 PM
Just been having a coffee in Ninos in Rhos. The roads around there are melting quite well, all the pavements in Rhos have been gritted using some sort of small machine - good to see CCBC putting a bit of effort into the job at last. The No. 12 buses have just started to run again, I saw 5 of them all heading towards Llandudno!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2010, 02:39:30 PM
That's a lovely photo of Frizzy Nemesis, I bet he's enjoying himself in the snow.   
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 03:14:39 PM
Thanks Hugo-- Yes he is, but keeps disappearing under it!. Good thing is it tires him out, so he sleeps then I can get some jobs done .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 22, 2010, 03:19:18 PM
DaveR, I don't think the Number 12's will be coming through C-y-D just yet.

http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/content.aspx?id=11548 (http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/content.aspx?id=11548)

BTW, DaveR (and other keen photographers), I have attended a funeral at the Crematorium this afternoon and I thought the journey from Black Cat Roundabout to and from Dolwyd was exceptionally picturesque with all the snow on the trees.

Your cameras will love that view if you manage to travel that way soon.




Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: suepp on December 22, 2010, 05:39:11 PM
This is a good site I've been checking the past few days, there's also a link where you type in a road number and get an update on conditions, just scroll downhttp://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=LL15%201XY (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=LL15%201XY)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
There was a photo of the car accident in the NWWN that crashed into the house in Ty Gwyn Road.  It was rather ironic as the driver was taking her sick child to hospital on Tuesday evening.The house owner had to be evacuated for his own safety because of fears a wall might collapse.
The condition of the road at the time looked awful
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Post by: TheMedz on December 23, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
The house looks more than awful. Its in danger of falling apart. One wall has a 2 inch gap all the way up where from the outside if you walk past you can see the wallpaper on the inside wall. If that's not bad enough the 5 way Traffic lights since last Friday's crash are so far out of synch that some  people are going across on a red light rather than being a sitting duck when something comes down the hill and can't stop. I've rung the Council 3 times today to report the issue but they take my calls and appear to do sweet **** about it and say they are waiting for a contractor to turn up the remedy the problem. It's been relatively mild today but if it freezes then the house on the corner could have some more uninvited residents to contend with.If our local police contact is noting this then a quick word in the ear of the council wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2010, 10:46:48 PM
Like you've mentioned before Medz, this is not the 1st time that a car had hit that house but this year the weather has been worse than normal.
If CCBC don't act immediately something more serious could happen.  Have you tried e-mailing PC Smith, perhaps he can give the CCBC a kick in the pants to get this sorted out.
I believe that the Police warned the CCBC when there was black ice on the road between Abergele and Rhuddlan but nothing was done about it and as a result a car lost control on the ice and skidded into a group of cyclists killing four of them. No one wants that repeating on the Orme or anywhere else.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 24, 2010, 09:57:20 AM
We were actually on that road the day of that terrible accident and were diverted off as it had just happened. The road conditions were appalling, black ice and freezing fog,
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Post by: MrFalafel on December 24, 2010, 11:22:28 AM
Horrible multi-car accident on the eastbound A55 by Abergele. One of the cars involved is an ambulance. I think it was caused by drivers having the sun shine in their eyes s the A55 turns towards it. Wet/shiny roads, dirty windscreens and sun low in the sky combined to completely blind drivers. I think people just plowed into each other. Saw lots of ambulances on the scene so it doesn't look good for some :(
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Post by: DaveR on December 24, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
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Horrible multi-car accident on the eastbound A55 by Abergele. One of the cars involved is an ambulance. I think it was caused by drivers having the sun shine in their eyes s the A55 turns towards it. Wet/shiny roads, dirty windscreens and sun low in the sky combined to completely blind drivers. I think people just plowed into each other. Saw lots of ambulances on the scene so it doesn't look good for some :(
Sad news  :(
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Post by: Nemesis on December 24, 2010, 03:03:19 PM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news//tm_headline=three-hurt-in-a55-crash-in-north-wales%26method=full%26objectid=27882067%26siteid=55578-name_page.html (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news//tm_headline=three-hurt-in-a55-crash-in-north-wales%26method=full%26objectid=27882067%26siteid=55578-name_page.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
I'm a bit confused about the weather forecast for tomorrow as BBC North West Wales has said that Colwyn Bay will be sunny with a maximum temperature of 2 degrees and wind speed of 9 mph.  My wife was watching ITV and tomorrows forecast for this area is snow!
A bit of a difference, so as we have had enough snow up here I'm going to settle for the BBC's weather.
 D)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 24, 2010, 05:00:06 PM
Hugo:

Weather forecasting is a black art, and the best bet is to take several views of the weather and deduce what's likely to happen yourself.

Try these:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_forecast_radar.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_forecast_radar.html)

Pretty good forecast for Snowdonia itself

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/4 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/4)

The Beeb's own site.  Notoriously inaccurate, but gives a general trend.

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp? (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?)

World wide weather drawing on different sat systems

http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ (http://www.raintoday.co.uk/)

Where it's been raining recently

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp)

What the jetstream is up to - the cause of most of our current woes

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html)

Weather warnings for North Wales

If you read them all, you'll see they often seem contradictory, despite the fact that they all draw their data from the same source.  Snow is coming in on Boxing Day, BTW....

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on December 24, 2010, 09:56:37 PM
It really is 'deep and crisp and even' this evening, currently -9C here in Conwy.

Happy Christmas to all   VV I*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 26, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
Met office issues a level 2 warning:

In addition, there is a risk of snow, heavy at times and accompanied by drifting in strong winds, spreading slowly across western parts of the UK through the day. At this stage there is considerable uncertainty regarding this aspect.

Starts warming up from Wednesday, though :-))
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 26, 2010, 08:51:28 AM
Met forecasters haven't enjoyed a perfect record this year, but a lot of that is down to trying to understand fluid dynamics.  The Navier-Stokes equations (http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Navier-Stokes_equations) - the basic governing equations for a viscous, heat conducting fluid - were defined in the 19th C, yet we still don't comprehend them and they're part of the Clay Institutes's millennium project (http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Navier-Stokes_Equations/), which also offers £1m to anyone who can produce a Mathematical proof.

I'm not defending meteorologists, but having a younger son who's a fluid dynamics specialist has made me a little more tolerant of their failings :-))
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 26, 2010, 12:31:51 PM
This was this morning. The Lions Club said the sea temp. was minus 18 degrees.
Congratulations to the brave souls who slid along the prom and into the sea.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 26, 2010, 08:16:27 PM
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This was this morning. The Lions Club said the sea temp. was minus 18 degrees.

In either C or F that would have produced a large, Irish-sea-sized block of ice  :)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 27, 2010, 08:52:27 AM
MMMM I thought that too, think someone made a boo boo with their figures !
Didn't see any icebergs! ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 27, 2010, 08:53:30 AM
yesterday we bought some of the snow / ice grips for our shoes at £14.99 from JJB sports

http://www.yaktrax.co.uk/yaktrax-shop/yaktrax-walker-pro/walker-black (http://www.yaktrax.co.uk/yaktrax-shop/yaktrax-walker-pro/walker-black)

truly remarkable, but most places have sold out, but after struggling on very icy pavements yesterday to see the swimmers we had to do something!  and now its all thawing out  _))*

Now why could'nt the Royal Mail have bought some for the postmen?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 27, 2010, 01:31:36 PM
Thanks for that info Merddin Emrys, I never thought of JJB.    I had been putting off going to the Cotswolds Outdoor place in Betws Y Coed because of the weather but as I'm going to Llandudno tomorrow I'll pop in to JJB'S.
The rain has washed a lot of snow away but what's left will probably freeze tonight and the Yaktrax will come in handy again anyway.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 27, 2010, 04:14:24 PM
Cunningham's in Betws y Coed had them in stock today, we were getting loads of bargains in the Hawkshead shop  D)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2010, 10:48:24 AM
It was pouring with rain last night and the snow was melting very quickly. We were watching TV and could hear the snow sliding down the front roof and falling on the ground.
When I went out later to investigate I found out that it wasn't snow but chunks of ice, massive pieces in fact!
My thoughts were then about the rear of the house where we have a glassed roof conservatory!   :o     but we were lucky there, as no ice fell on it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 28, 2010, 12:08:46 PM
Just come back from Betwys-- weather down there was quite nasty, mist and heavy drizzle. Very icy underfoot as well. The poor folk being shuttled off the coach trips were all trailing hopefully across to the loos, but they were shut-- frozen up.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2010, 03:46:12 PM
Those old folks have got my sympathy, this cold weather would make anyone want to go to the loo.  I bet they all had their 20p ready too!     :o
I had a walk by the boating lake on the West Shore today and there is thick ice over most of it.  Some kids must have chucked some large rocks on the ice because the rocks are all still there.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
According to the TV news December 2010 has been the coldest December for 120 years!      But the world is having weather extremes everywhere. This afternoon on the TV news it mentioned Australia and said that an area the size of France and Germany had been affected by the floods in Queensland and showed Rockhampton under water. 
Jas has just come back over from that area and I wonder if the place that she had over there had been affected and like wise if my cousin Binky was affected too.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 02, 2011, 06:35:21 PM
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But the world is having weather extremes everywhere

It is, and the global warming proponents have been warning of extreme weather events such as we're experiencing for many years. 2010 was also almost the warmest year on record, globally.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 11, 2011, 05:27:53 PM
Queensland in Australia is having more problems with flooding, it seems to be getting worse and not better.  If you are reading this Jas, would your old house over there and also Binkie's have been affected by these floods?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 06, 2011, 12:35:08 PM
It's not nice down t'valley at the moment:

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 06, 2011, 12:36:01 PM
Cafe isn't open, either...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 06, 2011, 12:36:35 PM
But help is at hand...or not
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Trojan on February 06, 2011, 05:07:40 PM
 $cool$ The bottom photo, is that a residence on the right?

I was just imagining myself inside, standing behind the lower window, watching the rising water level.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on February 06, 2011, 05:13:48 PM
Yes, it's part of the Old Tannery complex. Think that area has been flooded on a few occasions. It's very pleasant in Summer:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Trojan on February 06, 2011, 05:16:59 PM
 $thanx$ What a contrast!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on February 07, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
This photo in the Daily Post made me laugh, taken on the A470 just before Maenan. Some people really are thick.
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/dailypost/feb2011/7/2/pics-image-6-678885919.jpg)

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/02/07/man-s-body-recovered-from-swollen-river-near-corwen-55578-28124389/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/02/07/man-s-body-recovered-from-swollen-river-near-corwen-55578-28124389/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on February 07, 2011, 10:14:26 AM
But what we all want to know, is did it get through??
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on March 08, 2011, 07:19:45 PM
I see that work has finally started on the walls of the old shop  at the top of Old Road.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on March 09, 2011, 08:50:01 AM
Not before time-- haven't seen the chappie who lives/lived there for a week or two, but he still trails to Llandudno from the Bay.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Trojan on March 10, 2011, 02:37:30 AM
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Not before time-- haven't seen the chappie who lives/lived there for a week or two, but he still trails to Llandudno from the Bay.

Have you followed his trail?  8)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on April 01, 2011, 11:15:39 AM
Spoor dear, spoor ! _))*
Just for the record, I haven't seen him for a number of weeks now.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Paddy on April 01, 2011, 06:48:41 PM
I spoke with him a week or two ago and he was his usual cheerful, chirpy self. He's living in Colwyn Bay at the moment but is hopeful that his current situation will bump him up a few places on the Council/Housing Association list.

Let's hope he finds some "stable" acommodation soon!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on October 19, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
Mid October and the gritters have just been out on the roads on Orme. Doesn't fill me full of joy at the prospects for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 19, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
OMG, but looking out of the window just now I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: stephenprudence on October 20, 2011, 12:33:32 AM
Why would the gritters be out on the Orme?

Llandudno (including the Orme) is one of the mildest climates in the entirety of the UK.

Tonight the whole country is getting a frost, except the coasts.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 20, 2011, 10:57:28 AM
Plenty of grit still on the road, even after last night's torrential rain.
Title: Weather
Post by: dwsi on January 02, 2012, 09:04:53 PM
Time to batten down the hatches for the next couple of days - brace yourselves!  aaa.gif

Hourly forecast for Llandudno, Wales (United Kingdom) – yr.no http://bit.ly/tcGUh3 (http://bit.ly/tcGUh3)
(if it appears as norwegian, click on 'English' in the top right)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 02, 2012, 11:41:54 PM
It is the Gales and string winds that I can't stand.
It seems to me that there are far more instances of strong winds than in the past.

Its not just that I have moved to an exposed coastal area, because where my family live in Yorkshire seem to be getting battered more regularly by high winds too.

I know that we see constant data on increases in temperatures due to climate change, but I would like to see some data on wind onditions over the years of my lifetime.  I am certain that the increase in gales would be very dramatic.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 03, 2012, 09:41:44 AM
We've had a ridge tile blown off and land in front off the car, scratching the front bumper in several places, if I'd parked the car just six inches further forwards it would have hit the headlight etc  :o   The house insurance does not cover damage to the car and if something from a  neighbour's property hits your car they are only liable if its due to negligence, otherwise it's an act of god...  Now I have to find a good tradesman to fix the roof!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 03, 2012, 11:32:44 AM
I have been told to use Gaz Hughes roofing (from the Gt Orme) in the past.

It was really difficult getting any sleep last night.  Bloody gales, howling all around.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 03, 2012, 11:41:41 AM
Dean Seager is having a look this afternoon, I've got the car looking a bit better already!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 03, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
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It was really difficult getting any sleep last night.  Bloody gales, howling all around.
Really? I slept soundly all night.  Must be something to do with the fact I don't live halfway up an exposed headland.  :P
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 03, 2012, 06:34:38 PM
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Dean Seager is having a look this afternoon, I've got the car looking a bit better already!

Of Course!!  Dean Seager.... I should have realised... yes, you'll be fine there.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on January 03, 2012, 06:58:17 PM
Heavy duty Garden trellis x 2 snapped off completely  taking some of the clematis with them and a half full wheely bin dislodged from what I thought was a wedged in situation and blown down the drive. Just as well my son had gone back home yesterday evening or his car would have been right in it's path. I can only imagine what the gusts must have felt like at the viewing point on Anglesey Road.  It would be interesting to know if the kite surfers have been out off West Shore today.What I also  can't get my head round is that is then followed by blue skies during the day.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 04, 2012, 01:40:48 PM
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Dean Seager is having a look this afternoon, I've got the car looking a bit better already!

Of Course!!  Dean Seager.... I should have realised... yes, you'll be fine there.

Dean came round this morning and got G Hughes round to have a look, hopefully if it's dry tomorrow he can sort it.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 05, 2012, 10:53:42 AM
Wind is really getting up again now, part of the Promenade in Rhyl is closed apparently.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 05, 2012, 11:26:46 AM
It's probably clogged up with recycling bags and boxes blown from here!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 05, 2012, 12:01:20 PM
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I know that we see constant data on increases in temperatures due to climate change, but I would like to see some data on wind onditions over the years of my lifetime.  I am certain that the increase in gales would be very dramatic.

The biggest danger behind climate change is the increase in extreme events, rather than simple increased temperatures. The variation in wind speeds can be found here (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/#gust_speed) and a glance at the temperature variation (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/#temperature) is revealing.

However, there's a lot more to the issue, and it seems there are no simple answers. (http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html).  2010 was the hottest year on record (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2010/12/2010_hottest_climate_year_on_r.html?hpid=news-col-blog) and the US climate change program offers this pdf (http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap3-3/sap3-3-final-all.pdf) for more information.

The graphs below also show how the extremes increase with the energy being added to the global system.

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
I had a drive around the Marine Drive this morning and stopped to take a photo of the lighthouse and got quite wet as the spray from the waves was soaking me. One shaky photo and back in the car very quickly!
The other one was taken near the Church and looking towards Pigeon's Cave
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 05, 2012, 02:06:20 PM
Ian, Thanks for the response and the information.
The met office data gives me highest ever wind speeds by region, (e.g. 124mph in S Wales in 1974 etc..)

What I am after is some kind of trend data over the years...
For example, ''how many days per year has the wind exceeded 50mph, in a given region''
Its probably not available, but only that kind of information can back up my theory that is is getting more windy, more often.

I'm bloody sick of it, thats all I know!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 05, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
I think it's always been windy in Llandudno, I've known it called Windy city for years!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on January 05, 2012, 04:25:28 PM
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I think it's always been windy in Llandudno, I've known it called Windy city for years!

Before we moved to Penrhryn Bay we lived in Gloddaeth Avenue also known as Pneumonia Avenue.  The wind there was always blowing straight down the road, either South West from West shore or North East from North shore.   Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 05, 2012, 05:27:14 PM
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What I am after is some kind of trend data over the years.

Happy to help:

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bellringer on January 05, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
I thought this wind was supposed to moderate this afternoon - it seems to be nearly as strong as ever at present.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2012, 10:07:55 AM
Thanks Ian!

So, there is a slight trend of strengthening.... but its slight.
What I believe is happening is that there are very strong wind events, occurring more times per year...
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2012, 10:25:00 AM
Surely you notice it more since you moved to a house in a far more exposed location? Conversely, since I moved from Penrhyn Bay, I notice it far less.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 06, 2012, 11:31:22 AM
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So, there is a slight trend of strengthening.... but its slight.


Actually, 2% might seem small, but it's probably significant. I know that if average temps fell by only 2 degrees, it could trigger a new ice age. 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Jack on January 06, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
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Surely you notice it more since you moved to a house in a far more exposed location? Conversely, since I moved from Penrhyn Bay, I notice it far less.

I sort of have to agree with Mr Fester, I've lived in the same Llandudno house for 14 years and I'm sure that it is windier more often and that the wind is stronger.  I realise that this isn't very scientific but in the early years of living in the house I didn't have any where near as many sleepless nights of worrying if the roof is going to blow off as I do now.   ;D
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: dwsi on January 06, 2012, 04:44:43 PM
I work outdoors and this winter has been the windiest and wettest for a long while
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: hollins on January 08, 2012, 05:01:51 PM
Hopefully we are due a nice day of weather tomorrow if "red sky at night" has anything to do with it.
We don't normally get a good sunset here but tonight it was beautiful. No match for your seaside ones though!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Blodyn on January 08, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Lovely photos, Hollins. 

Lovely to meet you the other day, too. 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: hollins on January 09, 2012, 07:33:42 AM
 $thanx$

Lovely to meet you too.
Hope you get plenty of sales.

 ££$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on January 09, 2012, 08:30:14 AM
After a fairly grey and wet start to the day what a wonderful finish. We stopped off at West Shore yesterday evening on our way back home and walked along the front (and over the new sand dunes!), feeling extremely fortunate to live here.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 09, 2012, 08:35:28 AM
 $cool$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 09, 2012, 11:03:29 AM
yes, great pics of of a beautiful place!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: jane B on January 09, 2012, 03:52:19 PM
Really stunning pix!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Blodyn on January 10, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
What lovely views.  I was on the opposite side of the Orme and from the bit of sunset I could see I thought that it might be rather nice over West Shore, so thanks for posting the pictures, it's nice to see what I missed. 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on January 12, 2012, 09:33:59 PM
For those of you wishing to see a rarity weather wise (Fester you will like this one) take a quick look at the realtime weather before it changes too much

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/colwyn_bay_forecast_weather.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/colwyn_bay_forecast_weather.html)

the "gusts" column is usually anything from 30 +  to 60 MPH.

Currently no gust anticipated for the next 4 days.

I noticed that the wind direction has also changed for the first time in a long time to be coming in from the East.

Way to much time on my hands obviously!

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: dwsi on January 12, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
live weather and webcam for Llandudno http://bit.ly/uSLEXV (http://bit.ly/uSLEXV)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 05, 2012, 01:22:15 AM
See this article here...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-16889200 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-16889200)

With its high salt content, I didn't realise that the sea could freeze like this!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Paddy on February 05, 2012, 07:24:51 AM
Fester, have you never watched Deadliest Catch? I think (please don't quote me) sea water freezes at around -7c if it's not moving too much.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 15, 2012, 05:39:18 PM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/15/lightning-bolt-splits-tree-in-half-in-north-wales-storm-55578-31187401/#.T9tkeb-4zRM.email (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/15/lightning-bolt-splits-tree-in-half-in-north-wales-storm-55578-31187401/#.T9tkeb-4zRM.email)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2012, 10:35:50 PM
Some great photos of Hurricane Sandy here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225108/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Obama-declares-major-disaster-New-York-39-people-die-Superstorm.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225108/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Obama-declares-major-disaster-New-York-39-people-die-Superstorm.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on November 04, 2012, 12:15:02 AM
Lots of excellent (and astonishing) photos of the damage caused by the Hurricane here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225865/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Shocked-Obama-flies-Atlantic-City-disaster-zone.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225865/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Shocked-Obama-flies-Atlantic-City-disaster-zone.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Blodyn on November 07, 2012, 07:42:55 PM
Very dramatic photographs there, Dave.  So very sad for all the people affected, not forgetting those in the Caribbean too. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 17, 2013, 09:48:25 AM
If you don't already know, the Met Office is warning of gusts in excess of 70mph this afternoon and overnight.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: dwsi on April 17, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Have a look at this website for live weather updates on a map http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ (http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on April 17, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
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Have a look at this website for live weather updates on a map http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ (http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/)
I see it's currently reporting gusts of 64km/hour at Conwy Marina.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2013, 10:47:33 AM
"A spokeswoman for Conwy Council said: "It was a busy night, with reports of trees and large branches down at a number of locations across the county borough. The strong winds also brought down advertising hoardings, a lamp column (Tir Llwyd) and a bus shelter (Abergele).The Cefn Berain to Henllan Road is currently closed, due to a fallen tree. Electricity lines are also down in the area, which has been reported to Scottish Power Manweb."
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: dwsi on April 18, 2013, 03:26:54 PM
There was also reports of a well known local photographer being blown off the Great Orme while he was taking photos of West Shore
 ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2013, 06:39:34 PM
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There was also reports of a well known local photographer being blown off the Great Orme while he was taking photos of West Shore
 ;D
Funnily enough,l nearly was! I was on Invalids Walk, standing on that outcrop of rock above the Hospice trying for a pic of the Estuary when a gust nearly took me off my feet.  :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on May 19, 2013, 09:45:54 PM
Now it seems that since 1998 there has been a STANDSTILL in the warming of the worlds climate.

That is obviously great news, but it seems inconsistent with the scare stories that we have been bombarded with for the last decade or so!

See here...  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567023 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567023)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 20, 2013, 07:42:09 AM
Not really. Most of the 'scare stories' emerge from poor reporting in tabloids where only the most extreme examples of warming are illustrated and science - particularly fluid dynamics - just doesn't work like that.

Many years ago it was noted that the atmospheric carbon dioxide content was rising, and  that continues just as predicted. And the use of the term 'standstill' isn't accurate, either; it's simply that the warming trend has not increased as fast as some were concerned it might. In that sense the article also contradicts itself, the headline splash talking about a 'standstill' and then, a couple of paragraphs down, saying:

"The slowdown in the expected rate of global warming has been studied for several years now".

It's either a slowdown or a standstill;  not sure they can have it both ways.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on May 20, 2013, 08:28:11 PM
I read an article on the web today on this subject.  I couldn't post the link to here because I was reading it my iphone at the time, it was on an unrelated forum.

But the thrust of the article was interesting, as it concluded that if the 3 hot-spot weather stations on Earth are taken out of the equation, (because they are in volatile areas such as deserts or unreliable data gathering locations) .... then there has actually been a slight COOLING of the Earth's average temperatures over the last decade.

All this is somewhat contradictory to the Al Gore type shock-documentaries we have seen over that time.

Its not just tabloids either, because the BBC and ITN news channels have run many articles and features about this impending doom scenario many times.

I wonder what the overall scientific conclusions will really show?  We are after all dealing with the future of our planet, and restricting our economic prosperity because of this issue, so its pretty important stuff!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2013, 07:51:52 AM
There's a lot in what you say, and I agree that the media - including some TV documentaries - haven't really helped understanding of the situation.  But weather and atmosphere are among the most complex subjects of the physical sciences, if only because - as yet - we don't possess the mathematical models necessary to really comprehend what's happening.

What we do know is that CO2 levels have been rising inexorably for thousands of years, and that most of the rise has taken place in the last 200. We also know that - as carbon dioxide becomes a greater part of the atmospheric mix, more heat will be retained by the atmosphere, and that heat will eventually change the nature of our environment.

However, it's also known that there are more factors influencing our climate than just CO2 levels, the most significant of which is the Sun. Sunspots have an 11 year cycle, but the last cycle went low in 2006 and hasn't recovered.  We know the last time there was that level for an extended period was during the Mini-Ice age, which started on about 1650 and lasted until the early 19th century.

But it doesn't stop there; the Earth's orbit is complex, and we swing around the sun coming to within 91m miles during mid-winter, and 93 million in mid-summer, while there are also long-term changes in orbits, which mean that we're actually moving away from the sun at the moment and - this might be the most interesting  - under normal circumstances in the past, the trajectory we're on has led to an ice age.

All this means that being sure about the consequences of the extra CO2 we're putting into the atmosphere is a tough call and is affected by so many other factors, many of which we don't pretend to understand, that accurate short-term predications are really impossible.  What the responsible climatologists are saying, however, is that does that mean we should ignore what we know we're doing to the atmosphere?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 21, 2013, 08:33:43 AM
Or in other words "we're all doomed! "  :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2013, 10:48:28 AM
Probably... Z@@
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on May 21, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
Has anyone come up with figures showing the amount of CO2 that was created in the Victorian age.
Just think about how much coal was being burnt at that time,factories,mills ,steam trains ,shipping etc. 
The amount of CO2 created from burning coal today in Europe must be a fraction of what it was then. That being so what is generating all this CO2, is it all a load of hot air designed to increase our energy bills.
We have enough coal under the ground in Britain to last for hundreds of years.
The green movement is costing us all dear. It is doubtfull the windfarm subsidies will be refunded  before they are obsolete in 50 years time. By that time the companies involved will have trousered the money, and moved on, leaving the next generation to clear up the mess.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2013, 11:22:14 AM
CO2 ppm are worked out through fossil records and, in more recent times, through examination of trees, so we know with some accuracy how much was being produced. 

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The amount of CO2 created from burning coal today in Europe must be a fraction of what it was then. That being so what is generating all this CO2, is it all a load of hot air designed to increase our energy bills.

You're right, but the rapidly developing economies of both China and India are more than compensating.  Additionally, the rise in vehicle emissions has introduced a lot more.  Cows also produce a lot, of course  ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: born2run on May 21, 2013, 12:37:13 PM
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Has anyone come up with figures showing the amount of CO2 that was created in the Victorian age.
Just think about how much coal was being burnt at that time,factories,mills ,steam trains ,shipping etc. 
The amount of CO2 created from burning coal today in Europe must be a fraction of what it was then. That being so what is generating all this CO2, is it all a load of hot air designed to increase our energy bills.
We have enough coal under the ground in Britain to last for hundreds of years. The green movement is costing us all dear. It is doubtfull the windfarm subsidies will be refunded  before they are obsolete in 50 years time. By that time the companies involved will have trousered the money, and moved on, leaving the next generation to clear up the mess.

No we don't  :o

Even if we COULD get it all (which we can't!) We are only talking 200 trillion cubic feet
at the moment we go through about 3tcf a year - Reading the latest IOD report, it's expected we will be able to recover less than around 15% of our total reserves. Your figure of hundreds of years could only possibly be 15-20 years at most
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on May 22, 2013, 12:32:27 AM
One of the biggest factors at work here is that we are pumping CO2 int the atmosphere, but also destroying the forests which create the oxygen to compensate for this.

So its a bit like smoking more, but removing a lung too.  A worrying scenario.

I remember being about 9 years old at school, and a teacher was telling us about the relative percentages of Oxygen, to CO2 and Nitrogen in our air.
I asked whether the percentages would change as the Earth's population increased, and could we have less oxygen and end up like flies in a bottle?
The teacher told me not to be so stupid, it could never change, and I would get a clout if I asked such stupid questions in future.   :-X
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 22, 2013, 08:15:58 AM
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One of the biggest factors at work here is that we are pumping CO2 int the atmosphere, but also destroying the forests which create the oxygen to compensate for this.

Indeed, which is why you can now Buy your own piece of Rainforest (http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/content/articles/2007/03/27/world_land_trust_general_feature.shtml) through a scheme in which the land is eventually returned to the indigenous peoples. 

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I asked whether the percentages would change as the Earth's population increased, and could we have less oxygen and end up like flies in a bottle?
The teacher told me not to be so stupid, it could never change, and I would get a clout if I asked such stupid questions in future.

Primary school teachers have a lot to answer for. At roughly the same age, I remember trying to explain why the world wasn't perfectly spherical (she used the word 'round'). My father had told me the world bulged at the equator and was flattened at the poles but she snapped that that was nonsense. Funny how you remember that sort of put-down - especially when it was from ignorance...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 22, 2013, 08:47:52 AM
Seems there's more good news (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12129.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 04, 2013, 07:44:03 AM
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I remember being about 9 years old at school, and a teacher was telling us about the relative percentages of Oxygen, to CO2 and Nitrogen in our air.
I asked whether the percentages would change as the Earth's population increased, and could we have less oxygen and end up like flies in a bottle?
The teacher told me not to be so stupid, it could never change, and I would get a clout if I asked such stupid questions in future.

Seems like some things don't change (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/estyn-warning-science-teaching-wales-4045215), F.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/estyn-warning-science-teaching-wales-4045215 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/estyn-warning-science-teaching-wales-4045215)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 21, 2013, 05:11:33 PM
Amber warning of thunderstorms for Conwy issued by the Met Office:

"Issued at:
1149 on Sun 21 Jul 2013

Valid from:
0000 on Tue 23 Jul 2013

Valid to:
2359 on Wed 24 Jul 2013

During this period, all but some northwestern areas of the UK come under a much increased risk of seeing thunderstorms or longer spells of thundery rain, with some torrential downpours in places. The peak risk transfers northeastwards with time and will probably be clear of most southern and western areas of Britain by the start of Wednesday.  This update to the Alert issued yesterday, includes areas as far north as southern Scotland; further updates are likely.

The public should be aware of the risk of localised disruption to travel,  and more generally to summer holiday activities, due to  (for example) surface water flooding."

However, they're expecting heavy but scattered storms to appear from about 0600 tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 22, 2013, 12:50:08 PM
Issued at:
1037 on Mon 22 Jul 2013

Valid from:
1500 on Mon 22 Jul 2013

Valid to:
2200 on Mon 22 Jul 2013
   

Isolated thunderstorms with very heavy rain, hail and gusty winds are possible later this afternoon and early evening.

The public should be aware of the risk of very localised surface water flooding, particularly if the thunderstorms affect urban areas.         

Increasingly hot and humid conditions are likely across many central and southeastern parts of England during today, with the high temperatures likely to trigger a few intense thunderstorms during the late afternoon and evening. These could produce 30 mm of rain in less than an hour, large hail and also squally winds.         

   Local Authorities affected and associated warning levels
   Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Wrexham
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on July 22, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
Thanks for the info, Ian. Its feeling very hot and sticky today.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 02, 2014, 02:31:37 PM
Interesting couple of rather dramatic youtube videos which show the effect of the big storm on December 5th on West Kirby and a big Volvo...

West Kirby Storm Surge 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGxzujen74#ws)

West Kirby Storm Surge, 5th December, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ewdjB2OeY#ws)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 04, 2014, 10:18:14 PM
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Interesting couple of rather dramatic youtube videos which show the effect of the big storm on December 5th on West Kirby and a big Volvo...

West Kirby Storm Surge 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGxzujen74#ws)

West Kirby Storm Surge, 5th December, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ewdjB2OeY#ws)
Amazing scenes.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on January 06, 2014, 08:01:48 AM
The International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) is open in Las Vegas this week, and I have just received advance information on a new communications system that is virtually cost free to install and maintain.  No technical information yet as to how it operates but here is a picture which gives a good representation of the hardware.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2014, 12:54:37 PM
That seems to be about my level of technology Yorkie,  but my Dad would still struggle with that I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2014, 01:35:49 PM
Those people who insist on playing 'Russian Roulette' with the sea and the storms only have themselves to blame.

Dave R, take note!    This was PorthCawl earlier.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 06, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
A great picture that, remins me of a submarine!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2014, 03:45:00 PM
Those people are very stupid. You have to be very aware at all times of where the waves are in relation to yourself, and be ready to move back out of danger in an instant. I believe someone had to be rescued from Aberystwyth Prom a day or so ago after getting trapped while taking photos.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
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Those people who insist on playing 'Russian Roulette' with the sea and the storms only have themselves to blame.
I know. I saw this guy earlier at West Shore:
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
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Interesting couple of rather dramatic youtube videos which show the effect of the big storm on December 5th on West Kirby and a big Volvo...

West Kirby Storm Surge 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGxzujen74#ws)

West Kirby Storm Surge, 5th December, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ewdjB2OeY#ws)

I've just got round to watching those.
Terrible storm, and I think the lady doing the filming was pretty much trapped where she stood!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 06, 2014, 05:54:03 PM
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You have to be very aware at all times of where the waves are in relation to yourself, and be ready to move back out of danger in an instant.

The real problem with big wave weather is that every so many waves get 'in sync' and the resultant 7th or 8th wave is truly enormous.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Barbiroli on January 06, 2014, 08:40:43 PM
you should not be in any position of danger at any time. amen.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: ormegolf on January 07, 2014, 07:18:12 AM
After about a week of having only half a roof the shed on my golf course has now been repaired.
 It was'ent fixed quicker because it was just too dangerous to fix last week, then, so I am told,thewinddropped at the weekend but, of course, quote "we dot work at weekend"
 Yesterday, in desperation, by phone I said all my gear is getting ruined ad liable to be stolen, you must doit today. Your quote, I,ll double it ifi get there now, gale or no gale. So, job done at last

 But, the message I am getting ---  your trailer has been tipped on its end. Must have been some mighty gale or three or four strong vandals out for a laugh.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 07, 2014, 09:52:23 AM
Are not the Council liable to pay for for repairs, since they own the course?
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2014, 11:08:41 AM
I never went to Llanddwyn and Newborough Forest this year so I never saw the work that had been done this Summer
£600k Newborough walkway collapses in storm

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/600k-newborough-walkway-collapses-storms-6478650 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/600k-newborough-walkway-collapses-storms-6478650)

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=newborough+beach+storm&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vtfPUsrKJcKs7QafzIGoAQ&ved=0CDgQsAQ (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=newborough+beach+storm&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vtfPUsrKJcKs7QafzIGoAQ&ved=0CDgQsAQ)

Hugo: I've fixed the first link as it wasn't working. As a general rule, it's usually best to skip the URL link above, as it tends to present problems.   
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
For future reference:

To use the Insert Hyperlink button:
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1. Post any word you want to describe the link, say - Newborough.
2. Select the word: i.e. double-click in the word so it changes colour.
3. Click the Hyperlink
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button
4. Immediately after the first "url" type an equals sign "=" but don't move the cursor from there.
5. Paste the actual URL at that point.

Now, before you hit "Post", it looks like this:

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but after you hit "Post" it will appear like this:

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So when anyone clicks on an underlined word like that, they'll be taken to the site you've linked to.


Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 10, 2014, 01:55:23 PM
=weather (http://=weather)

Ian, why is the = still there?
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 02:24:21 PM
Because you mistyped it. This is what you've done:

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There are several equals signs, and there doesn't appear to be a URL. Immediately after the equals sign you have to post the URL, otherwise all you'll get is garbage.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
Here's how you link to BBC weather:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/)

is the URL.  So, you want to link through the single word "Weather".

Double-click the word "weather" to select it.

Now click the insert-hyperlink button. This appears:

[ url ] Weather [ /url ]

Now insert the equals sign Immediately after the first "url" so it looks like this:

[ url = ] Weather [ /url ]

NB: I've added spaces so it displays in here correctly.
Now add the actual URL or web address, if you prefer:

[ url = http :// www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/)] Weather [ /url ]

Again, I've added spaces so it displays in here correctly.

Now. when you click "Post" this appears:

 Weather (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/)




Title: Re: Weather
Post by: hollins on January 10, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
You've lost me on that one so I hope this link works. Some before and after weather pics on Wales online if you haven't seen them already.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 10, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
weather (http://)  $thanx$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 03:33:14 PM
There's still no URL in it, Bri.

[ url = http:// ]weather [ /url]

I use capitals for URL when I'm referring to the actual web address that appears in your browser.  I use lower case "url" when I'm referring to the "Insert hyperlink" button.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 03:36:32 PM
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You've lost me on that one so I hope this link works. Some before and after weather pics on Wales online if you haven't seen them already.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842)

It does.  But if you were to use the button, and simply paste that entire link immediately after the equals sign, which is itself immediately after the first "url". then you'd get this:

Weather! (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842)

The thing used to produce that looks like this (with spaces I've added):

[ url = http : //www .walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842][ /url ]

I'm adding spaces because if I don't, then the software will hide all the bits and simply show 'Weather" as a link.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2014, 05:20:46 PM
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Hugo: I've fixed the first link as it wasn't working. As a general rule, it's usually best to skip the URL link above, as it tends to present problems. 


Thanks again Ian for your help on posting the links     $good$

I think Dave was there just before the storms so he'll appreciate how much damage was done there.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
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I can,t find a way to delete this post, so I have had to leave it.

All done :-))
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 06:57:02 PM
Here's the FAQ entry for inserting links:

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Inserting a hyperlink without all the long gubbins that goes with it can be tricky.

Firstly, you have to find the 'Insert URL" button.. It's here:

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When you try to insert a hyperlink, you get this:

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What it doesn't tell you is that you need to manually insert the url as shown (don't miss the equals sign):

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To expand it further, if we use this place as an example, your hyperlink should show as thus:

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Our forum is here (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/)
 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 29, 2014, 09:56:14 AM
Yesterday, for a couple of hours, the Orme was right at the centre of the Low Pressure system.  We stood at the top and watched the clouds circling around us - moving right to left wherever we looked. Very similar to being in the eye of a hurricane; utterly still and some sunshine.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2014, 03:53:07 PM
Thick fog in Llandudno early on Thursday morning last week, here are a few photos:
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on March 17, 2014, 06:51:32 PM
 $good$ Good pics Dave.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2014, 07:25:21 PM
I was on a plane from Egypt on Friday morning, which somehow managed to land at MCR in the thickest fog I have ever seen.

It was the most frightening landing I have ever had, and I've had many hundreds of them.

I picked my car up at 2am and set off with visibility down to only a few feet.  I assumed the fog would lift soon and that I could speed up a bit towards Chester....but NO!

It was like that for my entire (slow) journey, and if I had known that, I would have checked in to a hotel.
Much of the M56 and A55 are not even lit, it was a real ordeal, and I have felt tired ever since.

People were overtaking me at approx 50 mph, which seemed crazy, as you really could not see what you were driving in to.
Mrs Fester was terrified all the way home!
When I came over Penrhyn Hill, I could not see the 'Welcome' sign, but I was mightily pleased to get home.
I have never known such thick fog expand over such a massive area.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: ormegolf on March 17, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
  Driving wise fog is the only thing I am frightened of. Snow, ice, floods, flat tyres ,no brakes, no lights I  can cope with.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on March 17, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
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I have never known such thick fog expand over such a massive area.

You obviously never experienced the dreadful London Smogs that we had in the  40's and 50's.  Easier for you to Google it than for me to write a book here!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2014, 06:54:35 AM
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I was on a plane from Egypt on Friday morning, which somehow managed to land at MCR in the thickest fog I have ever seen.

Manchester is a Cat III enabled airport, so the plane would have landed itself. Happened to us, once.  Usually, the pilot tells the passenger - after the landing :-)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on March 18, 2014, 08:57:04 AM
In the mid-50s we had such smog that cars were getting lost on roundabouts and people started wearing masks if they had to walk anywhere.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
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I was on a plane from Egypt on Friday morning, which somehow managed to land at MCR in the thickest fog I have ever seen.

Manchester is a Cat III enabled airport, so the plane would have landed itself. Happened to us, once.  Usually, the pilot tells the passenger - after the landing :-)

So, perhaps we should do away with all pilots now, and maybe less Malaysians would go missing?  I'm being serious.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on March 20, 2014, 07:25:41 AM
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So, perhaps we should do away with all pilots now, and maybe less Malaysians would go missing?  I'm being serious.

It's certainly true that a modern Jet airliner can fly itself.  Most do, in fact, apart from Take-off and Landing and, as you found out, in dense fog they're far better than humans.  But the airline industry prefers to keep humans at the controls for those situations in which things happen abruptly and of which the computers have no previous experience.

Planes operate in three dimensions, with no tracks to keep them on course, so if something untoward does happen then it's useful to have a real human in a position where they can think outside of the box, as it were. Good examples are where the fuel lines become clogged, such as the landing in Heathrow a couple of years ago, and the pilot wasn't able to reach the runway before the fuel gave out. They investigated that to death, but didn't find the answer until one of the researchers with military flying experience wondered if it was due to extreme cold followed by sudden heat - exactly what happens on landing. An automated aircraft might have killed everyone on board whereas the BA pilots managed to save everyone by breaking a few rules.

And don't forget there's no such thing as bug-free computer code...
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2014, 07:18:54 AM
If anyone wants to escape the heat and humidity which arrives overnight and during tomorrow, the coolest place around will be Holyhead. Stay away from Wrexham :-)))
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on August 09, 2014, 05:50:08 PM
From the Met office, issued today at 1200:

"The remains of hurricane Bertha, west of the Bay of Biscay on Saturday morning, now possess the characteristics of a mid-latitude depression, albeit with very warm air wrapped up within it. This feature is expected to move towards the UK before deepening on Saturday night and Sunday morning. There is increasing confidence that this depression will affect the UK, though with very large uncertainty remaining over the track and intensity.

There is the potential for rainfall totals of more than 50 mm in places and coastal gusts of over 60 mph, along with large waves. The locations affected are very dependent on the track of the low but the heaviest rainfall is thought most likely around and to the northwest of the low centre whilst the strongest winds are most likely around the southern flank of the low."

It seems we'll escape the worst, if we're lucky, as the system seems destined to track up the NE coast.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on December 09, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
As if you didn't know, Storm force winds are forecast for tonight and for the next 2 days.
The worst of it starts at 5am on Wednesday!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30400150 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30400150)

I was driving home from Caernarfon this afternoon, and the buffetting my car was getting was pretty bad, some of the worst I have experienced.
Overtaking high-sided vehicles was particularly scary!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on December 09, 2014, 06:43:55 PM
Agreed Fester. I drove to Bangor about 3ish and it was horrendous, the heavy vehicles were all over the place and our small car was well buffeted by them. So much so that when we were ready to return we decided to take the longer inland route via Bethesda and Capel Curig. OMG there was so much rain and wind that the water was actually blowing up from the road. Not an experience I want to repeat in a rush.! :o
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on December 09, 2014, 07:35:18 PM
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I was driving home from Caernarfon this afternoon, and the buffetting my car was getting was pretty bad, some of the worst I have experienced.
Overtaking high-sided vehicles was particularly scary!

Those 2CV's are all the same!   L0L

Thanks for the warning, anyway!   $walesflag$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 09, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
We had arranged for a walk in Llanberis on Thursday but that's a non starter now with the winds forecast.   In fact tonight I've put all the garden furniture on the ground to save any damage.
I bet the West Shore in Llandudno had a battering from the sea today and I would imagine the sand has blown over the wall again.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: mull on December 10, 2014, 10:44:49 AM
At least you can get out of Llandudno.

Up here looking at the weather forecast for this week it could be Saturday before anything moves.
Need to go shopping in Oban.

Google Calmac Ferry service status .
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2014, 11:34:37 AM
Doesn't look too good up there Mull.   All you can do is batten down the hatches and settle for a wee dram or two.          aaa.gif            Z**
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 28, 2015, 08:51:37 AM
From Monday afternoon onwards we're going to be subjected to a heatwave. The hot air currently heating parts of France and Spain to 40C+ is coming this way, and approaching from the SE. Because of its direction, at least initially, Llandudno's normal severe weather protection - its position in the Irish Sea - won't be much use.

The details are not yet available and - curiously - the Met office hasn't yet issued any severe weather warnings, probably because they don't want to get their fingers burnt... (sorry).

The problem is, however, that this heatwave is expected to stay around for quite a while and heat - as we know - builds. It'll also bring some thunderstorms, so all in all, nice conditions to look forward to. Highest temps will be in the SE, so we'll hear a lot about it on the news.



Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 12, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Heavy rain, thunder and hail set to batter North Wales

Torrential rain, thunderstorms and even hail are expected to batter North Wales later this week.

Parts of the region had a chilly start this morning with fog patches, which reduced visibility on the A55, but this will clear to make way for sunshine and highs of 23.

But the Met Office has warned the cloud will increase towards the evening bringing with it heavy thundery rain.

It has issued a yellow weather warning for all six counties in the region for Thursday and Friday (August 13 and 14).

Heavy rain will reach the south of England in the early hours of Thursday morning, before pushing up to North Wales during the day.

Met Office officials are warning that the rainfall is likely to be “heavy and thundery” and there could also be torrential downpours in some areas.

They are forecasting that there could be 15 to 30mm of rain in just six hours on Thursday, but say that some areas could see as much as 50mm by the end of the day.

As a result of the yellow “be aware” warning, anyone planning to travel is being urged to think ahead of their journey and allow extra time.

MORE...http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-rain-thunder-fog-9838774 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-rain-thunder-fog-9838774)
Title: Re: Weather Aurora Borealis tonight
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2016, 03:12:58 PM
Northern Lights could be visible over North Wales tonight
Stargazers and photographers could be in with the chance of seeing the stunning Aurora Borealis over North Wales tonight.

The Northern Lights could be visible in the region thanks to strong solar winds.
The Met Office tweeted: "Strong solar winds mean northern parts could see the #aurora tonight. Best chance in N Scotland under clear skies."

For the best chance to see the phenomenon, it is advised to stay away from artificial lights and let your eyes become accustomed to the dark.
The Aurora Borealis occurs when electrically-charged particles from the Sun enter the Earth's atmosphere.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/northern-lights-could-visible-over-11173828 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/northern-lights-could-visible-over-11173828)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on April 12, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
I've been thinking about the weather, and more precisely, weather 'forecasting'
Last night, as they've said every night for the past few weeks, they have said that the week ahead is either unsettled or changeable.
Right, OK, accepting that to be true, why do we invest so many 100's of millions into weather forecasting?
After all, what happens is what happens, so why spend so much resource on something that can't be changed?
Very few people really have chance to base any plans on a 'changeable' forecast'
If there were no more weather forecasts on TV, would it really make any difference to us?
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2016, 04:17:28 PM
"If there were no more weather forecasts on TV, would it really make any difference to us?"

I have wondered in the past, how a poor forecast affects us (bearing in mind our mini micro climate) the number of times I have heard a poor forecast for the weekend,for it to be wrong.

Another thing, they always put a cloud over Llandudno on the TV weather map.  :(
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on April 12, 2016, 04:36:14 PM
I was thinking more nationwide, or even world wide.
You see, any weather warnings, requiring action to protect against hurricanes or blizzards could simply be a news item.
Everything else is a waste of time surely?
Much as I love looking at Benhaz Akgar or Lucy Verasamy (in particular),  I can easily imagine life without the meaningless drivel they espouse several times a day.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Blongb on April 12, 2016, 07:44:07 PM

I was so feed up with the bad weather forecasting being broadcast by the BBC I gave up watching them entirely. Their incredibly inaccurate predictions cost as thousands of pounds in lost trade. It was so bad I actually put a link on my website to our local Llandudno Weather Station @ www.Llandudno-Weather.co.uk (http://www.Llandudno-Weather.co.uk) which showed our weather in real time.  $walesflag$

When all else fails, look out the window. That way at least you will get WX Actual.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on April 13, 2016, 08:16:15 AM
Weather - or to be more precise - our weather in the UK is fascinating. And you may not realise it, but the degree of accuracy in forecasts has improved so that it now stands (even for Llandudno) at an all time high of around 80%. What drives the Meteorological office, however, is the income from the businesses which depend on accurate forecasting. Many businesses pay a small fortune to receive highly accurate forecasts and the rest of us benefit from the more generalised forecast on the TV.

Fester's point is interesting. The Beeb's national forecast attempts to compress a detailed image of probabilities, Euclidean vectors and fluid dynamics into a two minute natter; it can't possibly work other than for periods of high pressure. What's more, as Blongb notes, no concession to the Gulf Stream-influenced climate of Llandudno is ever made. And Llandudno enjoys not only the lowest rainfall in Wales but also one of the lowest in the UK with a mean temperature difference of around 3C between even Llanwrst and Llandudno.

I think what's important, however, is to make the point that forecasting is very, very tricky when compared with sticking your head out of the window. Weather patterns in the UK are notoriously unpredictable - far more so than most countries in the world.  This unpredictability, combined with our significant tidal ranges make accurate forecasting pretty tricky, but our Met Office is recognised around the world as one of the best. The Americans, for example, use our Met office to forecast their Hurricanes, simply because we do it better.

I suspect that what needs to change is the emphasis. Glib phrases such as "It's going to be sunshine and showers for most of us" are usually influenced by the weather in the South: we often miss out on the showers completely and a forecast developed specifically for Llandudno would probably say "Cool breezes but lots of sunshine and very little chance of rain".

Around Snowdonia, and in much of Wales, the farming community do need to know the weather in some detail. More precisely, they need to know the temperatures as they have quite a significant impact on their decision making. But the Met office, via the BBC, have become their own worst enemies by making generalised statements about the weather several months in advance. Prediction of the weather even two days in advance is still very difficult, so when you read that the weather next week is likely be anything at all treat it with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on April 29, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
The hail stones around N Wales have been terrible this last few days, but look at these pictures from Spain two days ago.  These were hazardous to life as you can see.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 30, 2016, 07:43:39 AM
Puts our weather worries into perspective.
Title: Re: Weather Warning
Post by: SteveH on June 06, 2016, 11:45:22 AM
Warning of North Wales flooding issued as thunder and hail set to bring sunny spell to an end
The end of the sunny weather is in sight - with torrential rain and thunder forecast in North Wales this afternoon.

Heavy and thundery showers are going to swoop in to the west of the region at about 1pm, with Anglesey, Gwynedd and parts of Conwy at risk of localised flooding.

Torrential rain and even hail could be on the cards as a new weather system moves in, and the Met Office has issued a yellow warning for rain.
A spokesman for the forecaster said: “Heavy, thundery showers are expected to break out this afternoon over central and western parts of Northern Ireland and western parts of Wales.

“Whilst many will miss the worst, rain will be locally torrential, with the risk of hail.
“Please be aware of the risk of localised flooding.”      ref DP.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on June 06, 2016, 04:07:40 PM
3 hours after the forecasted torrential rains....  it still looks lovely to me!!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on June 06, 2016, 05:14:38 PM
29c on the car external temp gauge as we were leaving Prestatyn just after 3 this afternoon.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 06, 2016, 05:23:42 PM
It is hard to believe but a bowls match being played in Llanfairpwill this afternoon was abandoned following two downpours of rain.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on June 06, 2016, 07:40:41 PM
That's weird Bri, it's really localised weather.    Here in the Bay it is still baking hot     ;D
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on June 07, 2016, 07:18:00 AM
Last night the humidity almost doubled between 7.00 and 9.00 pm. Made it very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on June 07, 2016, 09:22:26 AM
We had a short shower during the night, but it is still very warm this morning.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 16, 2016, 11:58:24 AM
The Met office is showing expected temps in N Wales in the 82 / 28 region for Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on July 16, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
Take it with a pinch of salt then Ian.

Last night it said rain all day in N Wales.
This morning it revised it to NO rain in N Wales...
So by 11 am it was quite pleasant.
But now I am sat in the midst of heavy rain.
Their performance is little short of farcical.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 16, 2016, 01:33:09 PM
I do use several sources, F, and Rain Radar was spot on with the rain today, I have to say. I think the 82F forecast for Tuesday will arrive, and with it significant humidity. They're usually better on temps than rainfall.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 16, 2016, 04:38:34 PM
I had a look yesterday at the weather forecast and it was heavy rain forecast for all day on Saturday for North Wales so I telephoned my friend Tellytubby to cancel the walk today but instead we agreed to check on the weather at 9.00am today and as it was warm and dry we went ahead and had a walk.
It did have the odd light rain shower but nothing like the heavy rain that they said we would have.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2016, 08:22:13 AM
Starting to wish I'd placed a bet on my post, earlier.
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The Met office is showing expected temps in N Wales in the 82 / 28 region for Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 19, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
Well, I was wrong.  It reached 86F / 30C today.  I suspect that's one of the highest ever.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2016, 07:53:53 AM
Well, June was the hottest on record worldwide (although not for us :-) and was the 14th month in succession that has seen temperature records broken. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 20, 2016, 09:33:15 AM
35° showing on my car dashboard when driving through Glan Conwy yesterday afternoon!!!  Yes, it was the temperature and not my speed!

Lots of noise and rain this morning!

Is it really global warming - I'm sure many of you can remember the days (about 60 years ago) when we had snow for weeks during winter and sunshine for weeks during summer - the seasons were defined.  Now I claim that Wales is capable of giving you all four seasons in the one day!  I know many blame the stuff we're putting into the atmosphere but is it really that, or is it just natural?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
I suspect a lot this year is down to the extremely pronounced El Nino effect although there's some research which suggests overall warming is aggravating that, too.  The planet's atmosphere is warming - that's been established beyond doubt. It's still not entirely clear what's mainly responsible. One notable irony is that when, in 1987, we replaced the Ozone depleting CFCs with HFCs in refrigeration equipment the Ozone hole gradually healed itself, but HFCs, like CFCs, are inert gases that make good coolants in refrigeration systems and propellants in aerosols. But molecule for molecule, some HFCs are up to 10,000 times more potent than carbon dioxide as greenhouse gases, according to the UN Environment Programme (UNEP). So we've been adding potent greenhouse gases to the atmosphere for 30 years on a massive scale and are only now starting to do something about it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 20, 2016, 01:55:20 PM
Global warming is a minefield, even the scientific experts cannot agree, last year I read an article on "experts say  diesel fuel better for the environment than petrol"      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/22/the-rise-diesel-in-europe-impact-on-health-pollution (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/22/the-rise-diesel-in-europe-impact-on-health-pollution)    which the politicians jumped on, telling everyone "We are tackling Co2"  only to find out the result .....was a rise in deadly air pollution.

When looking into GW man made or natural, scientific research info, I thought I recognised an (unusual) name from my childhood, turned out I was right, it had been over 50years since we last met, after catching up on the usual family and friends, I asked for more info on G.W. for the layman .......he pointed me towards various links etc. well after six months of correspondence, I am still confused but have decided that natural or not, it cannot be good to keep polluting the atmosphere, so will continue to reduce my carbon footprint as much as possible, I also passed the buck to my friend,.... science needs to over ride politics. ....
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SDQ on July 20, 2016, 02:08:04 PM
Diesel's are better than petrol with CO2 but they neglected to notice how much worse they are at NOx until after they had talked us all into buying them! Typical.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2016, 03:02:09 PM
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science needs to over ride politics. ....

So true - and so unlikely ever to happen.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on August 18, 2016, 04:30:03 PM
Not so bad for north Wales, but just in case..............

Health advice issued as high levels of air pollution expected in Wales.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/health-advice-issued-high-levels-11764737 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/health-advice-issued-high-levels-11764737)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2016, 01:54:22 PM
We may be enjoying the warmth, but this might scare some:

http://xkcd.com/1732/ (http://xkcd.com/1732/)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on December 19, 2016, 01:14:05 PM
North Wales braced for Christmas weekend weather bomb with 59mph winds

Gale force winds and torrential rain will batter the region as Storm Barbara sweeps in.
The severe weather is expected to cause mayhem on the roads and railways across the UK as people prepare to travel to see family and friends for Christmas.

Forecasters say the bad weather will start on Wednesday with winds of up to 42mph predicted in Holyhead.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-braced-christmas-weekend-12341271 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-braced-christmas-weekend-12341271)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 19, 2016, 03:49:43 PM
If they only reach 42mph we probably won't even notice it.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: mull on December 19, 2016, 05:48:03 PM
Starting Tuesday up here, Calmac Status website looks a real mess already.

Booked a trip with the car over to Oban tomorrow for shopping. Mrs Mull says we will have to go.
Looks like an interesting few days ahead.
Morag says we will need 3 pegs on the washing line, and get plenty of candles in.

Stay safe.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on December 19, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
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Starting Tuesday up here, Calmac Status website looks a real mess already.

Booked a trip with the car over to Oban tomorrow for shopping. Mrs Mull says we will have to go.
Looks like an interesting few days ahead.
Morag says we will need 3 pegs on the washing line, and get plenty of candles in.
Stay safe.
Orabest......Safe trip , and I hope you only need...3 pegs.     $good$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 19, 2016, 06:30:59 PM
Where Mull lives you need three pegs just to hold the washing line...
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 21, 2016, 10:29:33 AM
The weather's turning seriously unpleasant from Friday morning onwards. They're now predicting gusts of over 80mph, and that's the point at which power lines and trees start falling over. Certainly Conwy is slated to get the heaviest rain if the storm continues on its predicted track.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2016, 04:13:07 PM
They've revised the forecast downwards in intensity terms, so Friday will not be the promised Armageddon. Still windy, however, but a lot of rain, which will mitigate the effect of the wind substantially. On that front, the Wrexham area will be clobbered by torrential rain.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2016, 07:37:04 PM
I hope that Mull is not on the mainland of Scotland as it looks like the ferries may be cancelled up there .     
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2016, 07:46:01 PM
Scotland will be getting it very badly.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: mull on December 22, 2016, 11:36:47 PM
No we are back home on the island and battened down waiting for it.
We had our excitement on Tuesday.
Caught the 0900 ferry and bouncing half way accross to Oban Skipper of the ferry announces due to deteriating weather the return crossing back to Mull would be the last one today and anyone wishing to stay on board and return should make themselves known at the pursers office.
Mrs mull was not to be put off an the shopping would be done.
After Lidl, Tesco Argos etc we set off back to Mull the long way round via the Corran ferry and Lochaline/Fishnish ,hoping these ferries would keep running.Keep running they did but it was a rough trip, gales and torrential rain allthe way. We had gone prepared with sleeping bags in case we got stranded on Morven which is one of the remotest parts of te Scottish mainland. We could have slept in the car which we have done before.
Left Oban at 1405 and arrived home in Fionnphort at 1825.
In case the power goes off in the next few hours i will wish you all Nadolig llawen.

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2016, 08:31:49 AM
Chwarae teg,    Mrs Mull is one very determined shopper.  Hope that she hasn't forgotten anything and you have to go back to the shops!    ;D

Nadolig llawen to you and Mrs Mull             

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 23, 2016, 08:44:09 AM
All the very best to you, too,  Mull. Looks like you'll be getting both the warmest and coldest Xmas on the big day itself.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on December 23, 2016, 09:08:26 AM
Happy Christmas Mull.

 I always follow your posts as one of my oldest friends is building on Mull to live near her son who has lived there for a number of years. She had somewhat of an episode last year around Christmas when he was taken ill and had to be transferred to hospital on the mainland. She had to get to him, complete with her dog and travel backwards and forwards. Life was very difficult for her at the time.

Glad Mrs Mull got her shopping done !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 31, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
Gusts of up to 80mph and torrential rain are set to batter North Wales this week.
The Met Office has issued a yellow “be aware” weather warning for wind across the region on Friday.
The alert comes into force at 6am that morning and remains in place until 11.55pm – with forecasters warning the hurricane-force winds could damage buildings and power lines.
Wind speeds are expected to hit between 60-70mph in most parts, but forecasters say gusts could exceed 80mph in exposed coastal areas.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/winds-up-80mph-blast-north-12532735 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/winds-up-80mph-blast-north-12532735)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 31, 2017, 02:21:42 PM
It could be bad - or it could be almost nothing.   Low pressure systems that are as deep as that one have comparatively small areas of very high wind speeds. The worst gusts are always on the trailing edge, so it won't be as bad when it comes in. It only takes a slight nudge for it to miss us - or clobber us.

Had to laugh at the Express Headline this morning - Arctic Blasts for a month forecast. They can't even be sure five days ahead , so I doubt a month's very realistic. According to the Atlantic pressure charts the deep front (959) is most likely to swing North before it hits us, so we could miss in entirely. All in the lap of the gods.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 01, 2017, 08:35:30 AM
Seems as though the really nasty weather system is indeed going to track further South than they thought.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 04, 2017, 09:10:41 AM
Seems the gods were happy. Really nasty weather missed us.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 04, 2017, 06:43:38 PM
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Seems the gods were happy. Really nasty weather missed us.

Sacrifice another Great Orme goat to the mighty Odin!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 04, 2017, 07:21:35 PM
Each time in the past six months the met office has issued dire warnings, they've failed to materialise to the level we were led to believe.  I think it's the Fish effect...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 21, 2017, 11:55:09 AM
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Each time in the past six months the met office has issued dire warnings, they've failed to materialise to the level we were led to believe.  I think it's the Fish effect...

We could have a forum competition nearest to the correct speed wins.......

Weather warning as 80mph winds to batter North Wales causing disruption and damage
The Met Office has issued an amber alert for strong gales on Thursday
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/80mph-winds-batter-north-wales-12633859 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/80mph-winds-batter-north-wales-12633859)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
I say, 46mph,  because it usually fizzles out.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 21, 2017, 01:25:12 PM
I will try 42 mph, due to the fizzle factor.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 21, 2017, 01:26:49 PM
A tad worried over this one, as the epicentre of the storm system has been progressively moving over us as the probability increases. I think the fact that they've issued an Amber alert also suggests they're a little more confident than usual. All we can do is hope there's a lot of rain with it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 21, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
It's seems like its those wind speeds up here normally so I's say a tad higher at 55mph although I hope it isn't.   
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
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I say, 46mph,  because it usually fizzles out.

What is the prize for this incredibly exciting competition Ian?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 21, 2017, 08:09:09 PM
50 mph ???
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: snowcap on February 21, 2017, 08:11:50 PM
How about a bottle of gaviscon for a prise, that's good for wind.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 21, 2017, 08:14:43 PM
Or a kite? ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 21, 2017, 09:01:38 PM
Or......
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
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What is the prize for this incredibly exciting competition Ian?

I think this is Steve's competition :-)  However, from the sanctity of my own little weather station I suspect this is going to be short and sharp. The strongest winds will be between 0900 and 1200 tomorrow, and they'll start coming in from the W, veering to NW a couple of hours later.  West shore will catch it - no doubt - and the pier during the latter half of the storm. I would guess that the strongest gusts might reach 90kts+ but the mean speeds will be more around 50-60kts, so we've had a lot worse (1991). Anyhow, I log wind speeds, so I'll know the max by 1200.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 22, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Why, oh WHY, must Doris come to visit..... when it's BINS day???
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 05:08:28 PM
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: spotty dog on February 22, 2017, 09:04:12 PM
I use Big Salty when sailing it's very accurate and local
https://bigsalty.com/en/weather/
I will follow tomorrow to see how accurate it is against all the doom and gloom we are getting
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 09:26:22 PM
Curiously, the wind speed forecasts have been notched slightly back.  So perhaps not all doom and gloom.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 22, 2017, 10:49:50 PM
The BBC Wales still has high winds forecast for tomorrow and it's also Bin day up here then.    My bin will be going out tomorrow morning just in case
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
Highest overnight gust at Capel was 78mph. But we can expect worse once the rain has cleared, so a few rattling windows yet.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 08:25:33 AM
They've moved the Amber alert period by two hours: 0800 to 2000.  The heavy rain is preventing the worst winds at the moment.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 09:05:49 AM
Gusts now exceeding 82mph.  How does it seem at your place, Hugo?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 10:10:16 AM
Ian, what a day so far!     I didn't need my alarm clock to wake me up this morning as the sound of the wind and the metal garden furniture falling over woke me at 7.30am.   So I took the black bin and stacker bin down to the road to wait collection and then went back to bed and took a cup of tea with me.
A couple of minutes later the door bell rang and a neighbour told me that the bins had fallen over and everything was blowing down the road so I spent the next 15 minute clearing the road and ended up putting the green bins back in the garage.
The next time I looked out the black bin had fallen over so I went down to the road and sorted that out but noticed that one branch of our large Yucca tree had nearly snapped off so I went and got the saw and removed the branch from the trunk of the tree.
By then I thought that I'd drive to the shop and relax with a paper but then a large tree had blown across the road and blocked it.
Anyway I made a detour and got the paper and went off to Rhos on Sea to see what it was like there.
It's just after 10.00am now so I wonder what else will happen!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 10:20:47 AM
Just reading Tom Davidsons Blog on Doris........Storm Doris officially a WEATHER BOMB

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508)

Sorry you have had a rough morning H. Hope everybody is OK.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 10:39:04 AM
Thanks Steve, it could have been a lot worse judging from that link that you've posted.    I'm just going to have to put my feet up and relax and read the paper for the rest of the day.       ;D
Just remembered that I need to take our dog out for his walk so I'll do that next.
We've got a taste of how Mull feels up there with those Scottish Winters
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 10:41:18 AM
A lot of bridges closed and sailings stopped.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 23, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
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Thanks Steve, it could have been a lot worse judging from that link that you've posted.    I'm just going to have to put my feet up and relax and read the paper for the rest of the day.       ;D
Just remembered that I need to take our dog out for his walk so I'll do that next.
We've got a taste of how Mull feels up there with those Scottish Winters

Do be careful Hugo. I have just attempted to take Frizzy out and we are a lot lower than you. It blew him off his feet and I had to hang on to a gate. We didn't go far ! :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 11:53:48 AM
Up to date Doris news including Col. Bay pier and prom video......and tree down on the Orme

Tom D. Live blog
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
Sorry Hugo I just couldnt resist........

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 12:21:50 PM
I've taken Marco for a quick walk up the road and everything was ok apart from getting wet for a second time today.   They were cutting the tree up that was blocking the road when I had the walk.  Thank goodness that I didn't go earlier as I would have passed that spot where the tree fell down.
It's a good job that the wind was blowing from the north as the West Shore area would have been like the Sahara Desert with this storm.  I did notice that some winds were WNW so perhaps the West Shore didn't escape the storm after all.

You never know with the weather Steve but he could look like this later on today.
Title: Storm Doris
Post by: catlover on February 23, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
 Hi Catlover returns ! Can anyone post a video of storm Doris in Llandudno ? Or photos . I'm miles away , but wondered if it's arrived in Llandudno yet .  Thanks CL
Title: Re: Storm Doris
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
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Hi Catlover returns ! Can anyone post a video of storm Doris in Llandudno ? Or photos . I'm miles away , but wondered if it's arrived in Llandudno yet .  Thanks CL
Look at the great british weather debate thread on this forum there are links to news blogs... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508)
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Post by: Jack on February 23, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
Fame again Hugo - your picture was used by Derek on Wales Today this evening  $walesflag$
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Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 08:17:33 PM
Yes,  I saw it on the BBC Wales news tonight.     $good$


Luckily no one was hurt by the falling tree but a friend told me that her bus had not long gone past when it fell down and also she said that a woman pushing a pram by the tree heard it crack and then ran over to the other side of the road and so avoided getting herself or the baby hurt.
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Post by: SteveH on April 06, 2017, 06:05:50 PM
North Wales set for hottest weekend of the year
The region is set to bask in sunshine as thermometers rocket to 20C on Sunday.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-set-hottest-weekend-12855595#ICID=sharebar_twitter (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-set-hottest-weekend-12855595#ICID=sharebar_twitter)
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Post by: Ian on April 07, 2017, 07:54:30 AM
Oh, dear; another case of the DP's usually restrained and factual style just gone out of the window. Since when did 20C qualify as 'hot' and how can a gentle rise to that comfortable temperature be described as 'rocketing'? This is more the style I'd associate with the DFM or the Express than the DP.
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Post by: SteveH on April 21, 2017, 01:06:12 PM
I hesitate before posting, but it might be of some help to gardeners if nothing else.

Arctic blast to bring ice, frost and snow to North Wales
Temperatures are set to plummet to single figures following the driest April in six years.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arctic-blast-bring-ice-frost-12923807 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arctic-blast-bring-ice-frost-12923807)
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Post by: SteveH on April 25, 2017, 01:05:14 PM
I have been enjoying the view of the snow on the tops in the sunshine this morning, and for a minute there I thought we were going to join them, but the hail passed very quickly.

We might be heading into May, but some parts of North Wales were waking up to a blanket of snow this morning.
There have been reports of snowfall in Bala and areas of Snowdonia today as the country experiences an unseasonable icy arctic blast.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/snow-wales-april-cold-snap-12940577 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/snow-wales-april-cold-snap-12940577)

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Post by: hollins on April 25, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
Mr H took this photo this morning.
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Post by: mull on April 26, 2017, 09:20:36 AM
Been a wild week so far up here with the wind from the Artic.
Good video on Ships of Calmac Forum showing conditions yesterday crossing the Minch. Taken from the bridge of the Loch Seaforth on the Stornoway- Ullapool service. Like the remark "first time seen the stabaliser out of the water".

http://twitter.com/jagrass/status/856828945882378240 (http://twitter.com/jagrass/status/856828945882378240)

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Post by: Ian on April 26, 2017, 10:09:21 AM
Wow! Side on to a strong swell. Hope the cars were well anchored.
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Post by: mull on April 26, 2017, 10:20:40 AM
Thats true.
Just hope they have not parked the Tesco lorry alongside your car !
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Post by: hollins on June 30, 2017, 07:56:04 AM
3rd day of non stop rain now.
Is it the same down there?
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Post by: SteveH on June 30, 2017, 09:05:25 AM
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3rd day of non stop rain now.
Is it the same down there?

Sorry to say weather very poor, and the forecast is not looking good.  :(  waiting for the   8)
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Post by: hollins on June 30, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
Thanks Steve.
I was contemplating lunch by the sea and was hoping it was better with you but sounds not!
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Post by: Hugo on June 30, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
It's still awful Hollins,  the wind is a strong NNW one and it's cold and raining.   My garden has taken a hit from the strong winds and the Hollyhocks are completely flattened and the flowers on the Yucca tree are on an angle.
Yesterday I had a nice lunch at the Toad and sat by the window and the only people that seemed to like the weather were two kite surfers who were braving the elements on a very rough sea.
By the time we finished the meal and left the Toad we could see huge waves crashing on to the promenade in Rhos and Old Colwyn.
If this is the Summer then I dread to think what the Winter storms will be like.
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Post by: hollins on June 30, 2017, 04:47:50 PM
Sorry about your garden Hugo.
It really has been awful and still is.
We ended up at Tyddyn Llan for lunch and it was slightly better over there in that it was only light drizzle instead of lashing it down as it is here.
So sorry for anyone on holiday in the area.
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Post by: Bosun on July 19, 2017, 11:41:41 AM

The Daily Post has printed the times given by the Weather Channel of the expected storms to hit the region, from Caernarfon at 2.15 pm, Flint 2.45 pm, Llandudno 3.00 pm etc. Be interesting to see how accurate they are.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-storms-time-weather-13352500 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-storms-time-weather-13352500)
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Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2017, 12:18:45 PM
It's due at 3.15 pm in Colwyn Bay so I'll have to take the dog for an early walk this afternoon before the rain comes
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Post by: Fester on July 19, 2017, 02:08:39 PM
Storm arrived Llandudno at 2.05pm
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Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
Ours arrived at Colwyn Bay at 2.30 pm but it hasn't been that bad .... so far!
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Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Plenty of rain here in Llandudno, rumbles of thunder, but nothing drastic yet. It has just begun again--- just as my OH has gone to put the re-cycling boxes out.
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Post by: hollins on July 19, 2017, 03:34:08 PM
We got the worst of it from 14.00 to 15.00. Passed away now.
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Post by: hollins on July 19, 2017, 03:50:36 PM
Spoke too soon, come back again!
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Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2017, 04:18:40 PM
Same happened here....really heavy.
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Post by: Ian on September 12, 2017, 04:00:22 PM
Storm Aileen - first of the season - will hit us fairly hard tonight and tomorrow, peaking at 0500 - 0700.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings)]http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings[/url]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/what-time-storm-aileen-hit-13607066?ptnr_rid=497104&icid=EM_DailyPost_Nletter (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/what-time-storm-aileen-hit-13607066?ptnr_rid=497104&icid=EM_DailyPost_Nletter)
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Post by: Ian on September 13, 2017, 10:09:49 AM
Once again the Met office overestimated the wind strength.  It seemed to be building at around 0200 but fell away quickly and by 0400 it was fairly quiet.
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Post by: Hugo on September 13, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
I didn't hear a thing last night as I slept through the whole thing.  A couple of metal chairs had been blown over but no other problems caused
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 13, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
Didn't really notice anything,  I think a few leaves have moved a bit.  :)
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Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2017, 11:44:13 AM
There were quite a lot of broken branches and torn off leaves this morning around the roads near Mostyn Champneys.
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Post by: hollins on September 14, 2017, 05:39:33 PM
Amazing the difference in the wind speed today. Up here completely still but when we arrived in Llandudno we nearly got our heads blown off. It was great seeing the waves come crashing in though.
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Post by: Fester on September 21, 2017, 11:04:10 PM
The ITV Weather forecast says rain virtually ALL DAY on Friday throughout Wales.

The BBC TV and Online forecast says no rain whatsoever on Friday in Wales.

What are we supposed to do with that?  It's ridiculous.
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Post by: Ian on September 22, 2017, 07:35:55 AM
Well, Rain today  (http://www.raintoday.co.uk/) is worth getting and the premium service is very effective.  Used in conjunction with the Met Office forecast (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/?tab=map&map=SignificantWeather) it's very effective.

You have to remember a couple of things: all forecasts are based on probability data. No one can be certain where the rain will fall, how long it will last and how intense it'll be. All the online sites take interpretation if you want to get the best information from them.  The other point is that the weather presenters on TV have only 2 minutes at most to present a cogent snapshot of the forecast and that becomes really tricky when you're trying to watch the times and the weather graphics.

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Post by: Hugo on September 22, 2017, 08:15:09 AM
If it was me I'd accept the BBC forecast as it looks the best option.      ;D

The weather looks ok here at the moment, blue sky with no sign of rain....   not yet anyway!
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Post by: Ian on September 22, 2017, 08:41:19 AM
Last night the BBC online forecast did show rain, though; but the picture is constantly changing. Fluid dynamics in the biosphere still remains one of the hardest sciences to predict with any real certainty.  North Wales is a prime example; it can be sunny in Llandudno, gloomy and cloudy in Llanrwst and pouring in Betws, all at the same time.
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Post by: Hugo on September 22, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
That blue sky didn't last for long!
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Post by: DVT on September 22, 2017, 03:56:11 PM
Seems the ITV forecast was closest ... showers of liquid sunshine interspersed with odd bits of blue sky.

This is Wales - all four seasons in one day!
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Post by: Ian on October 13, 2017, 07:26:34 PM
Could get blowy over the next few days. Met Office forecaster Grahame Madge said: “Ophelia is forecast to be the strongest ex-tropical system to affect the UK since Katia in 2011, in terms of wind gust speeds.

“Before Katia, Lili in 1996 had 92mph gusts in the Mumbles, south Wales. Ophelia is racing virtually north to Britain and will be a significant storm if it follows its expected track."

It won't take much for it to be nudged westwards - where it will miss us almost completely - or Eastwards, where it will clobber us, to use the technical term.  It will have a lot of rain and the winds could get nasty. Time will tell.
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Post by: Hugo on October 13, 2017, 10:30:53 PM
It seems that it's getting nearer and the winds are increasing on the higher ground and there's flooding in the Conwy Valley too.



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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 11:26:35 AM
Met office has upgraded the wind warning to Orange for Monday.  A little worrying is the lack of rain. That means we'll get the full force of the winds, which are likely to gust up to 80mph, if we're unlucky.  It could still change course. A few degrees West and we'll hardly notice anything.  A few degrees East and hold onto your hats. NW England might fare worse.
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Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
This is one time when I would welcome a downpour of rain Ian.    I was looking out of my window at about 9.30 am and saw a tractor with a large trailer coming down the road towards the farmer's field.    It was laden with the soft brown smelly stuff and when the trailer hit a bump in the road the trailer released its contents in the road right in front of my house!
It then continued on its way leaving trails of the stuff all down the road.  It's enough to put anyone off their Sunday roast.
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 01:03:00 PM
..especially if you're having lots of gravy...  :o :o :o
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 15, 2017, 02:03:35 PM
I was surprised that the P&O cruise ship, Adonia, set sail teatime yesterday from Southampton down to the Caribbean.

I was very surprised because it is quite a small vessel.

However, I checked it online earlier and it is currently hugging the French Coast and is likely to fare far better than the rest of us in the UK.
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Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2017, 02:31:17 PM
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..especially if you're having lots of gravy...  :o :o :o


Ugh     :puke2:


It's all down  the street now with all the cars going past     
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
The  gravy or...
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
Latest on the storm: Ex-hurricane Ophelia winds tomorrow into Tuesday. Storm force 10 over the Irish Sea. Gusts around 80mph in Holyhead.  The storm has strengthened in the last 12 hours. It's starting to look as though 80mph might be understating it. Stay safe, everyone. And don't leave any windows open...
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
Despite their dithering over the precise nature of the wind speeds we can now expect the real storm to start around 1600 today and last until around 0100 tomorrow.  Anywhere facing due South to West is most at risk from nasty gusts, which will reach 70mph in Llandudno overnight.
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Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2017, 08:59:46 AM
Sky is looking incredibly ominous this morning.
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Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 09:08:34 AM
An hour ago it looked quite eerie here in Colwyn Bay.     There was dark with an orange type glow in the sky and no wind whatsoever.
Since then it has rained slightly and there is a gentle breeze blowing.
The lull before the storm perhaps?
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
Mrs R informed me the sky to her last looked like that late afternoon on the 10 June 1993.
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Post by: born2run on October 16, 2017, 10:23:46 AM
The sun is bright red right now here in Conwy.
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 10:42:49 AM
Like a harbinger of doom...

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Post by: hollins on October 16, 2017, 10:55:14 AM
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The sun is bright red right now here in Conwy.

Same here. Sun is red but there is no sunlight somehow, really eerie.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2017, 11:21:50 AM
Similar view from CyD.
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Post by: DVT on October 16, 2017, 11:27:35 AM
Drove from Llandudno Junction to Liverpool earlier (arriving here at 7.15) ... all seemed extra dark - the sky here is very grey with the bright orange sun showing through.  Journey home tonight, leaving about 6.30, could be interesting.
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Post by: Blongb on October 16, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
There is a strong Harmattan this year which makes the Sun look more Orange than Yellow. European news was saying this morning it would effect up to mid Germany and central France. Check your cars over the next couple of days to see if the forecast winds will carry the Sand particles this far North.   $sunny$
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 12:41:21 PM
The storm proper started around 1200. Sustained wind speeds are roughly 30mph at the moment. Met office has updated the Amber alert to include most of North Wales.
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Post by: Bosun on October 16, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
I've just telephoned a firm in Belfast. Their answerphone said 'Sure, it's gonna to be a bit windy here, so just in case, we've all gone home. Or down the pub. Please phone back tomorrow. '........
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 06:23:20 PM
Capel has had a 90mph gust. I suspect it's peaking here about now.
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Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 06:25:06 PM
The Sun has been changing colour during the morning and I was only able to take this photo when it was past its best.   It was odd though being able to look direct at the Sun while taking the photo.

At the moment the wind is gusting quite strongly and when I took my dog for a walk earlier I kept away from the tall trees just in case.

At this moment I can see a small boat about a mile out in the bay and it seems to be riding out the storm but the sea looks very angry indeed.  Please excuse the quality of the photo as I took it from inside my house as there was no way I was going out in this weather
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
I imagine the boat is sheltering there.
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Post by: Fester on October 16, 2017, 07:27:35 PM
Large tree is down, and blocking the road at the triangle, on the Gt Orme, just above Mike’s golf course.
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Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
Tellytubby sent me these photos that someone took today in Aberdaron.  The gusts there reached over 90 mph
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Post by: Ian on October 17, 2017, 07:16:19 AM
Apart from F's downed tree, any other damage around?
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Post by: DaveR on October 17, 2017, 08:59:10 AM
It was pretty rough last night, especially around 1am, but no damage spotted apart from a few garden pots blown over.
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Post by: hollins on October 17, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
We've lost half a dozen trees including this big beech but glad to survive a very rough night.
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Post by: Nemesis on October 17, 2017, 10:55:28 AM
Arvon Avenue this morning. The poor driver had a dreadful hole punched in his windscreen by the falling tree.
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Post by: Bosun on October 17, 2017, 01:48:47 PM
Is there such a thing as a 'nice hole through the windscreen'?
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Post by: Hugo on October 21, 2017, 02:43:05 PM
It looks like Storm Brian is coming northwards.   I can't see Rhos on Sea from my window now because of the rain and the wind has started to pick up.   
I've put all the garden furniture down to save getting it damaged by the gales

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Post by: Ian on October 21, 2017, 03:26:36 PM
I suspect it's going to be far quieter than last week, simply because there's a lot of rain around, and that absorbs the wind energy rather well.
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Post by: squigglev2 on October 21, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
Question Ian.

Weather reporting in my area on BBC seems to get worse. Some things I’ve read in the portion of the thread I’ve read make sense, eg, I could not use a Norwich forcecast for where I am on the North coast. I don’t understand the technical reasons but, yes, as with a say Llandudo/Llanwrst example, I could experience quite different conditions to the city, not really that far away.

I believe our centre is Weybourne.  I’ve long dismissed long range forecasts but the short term ones strike me as worse.  I can maybe understand  that maybe better systems and modelling (not that I’d have a clue on that) might lead to more changes (which happen – tomorrow might change from “generally suuny” to “heavy rain”) in a short time on the BBC report or their Android app but even the day itself can be out.  Or I think so, or maybe with things like panning a gardening task, I’m just taking more notice?
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Post by: Ian on October 21, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
Perhaps. You have to remember that all forecasting is probability-based, so there's a margin of error - I think it's around +/-5% at best - and it's often worse. But if you're spending a lot of time planning outside activities, then you will become more aware of forecasting inaccuracies.  My wife's the gardener, and she's always moaning about the weather behaviour.

There's also the local topography, which can affect things quite a bit.  Thus, Llandudno has an average annual rainfall of around 11", Llanrwst around 40" and Betws 60", so a pretty wide variation within just a few miles.

Another nuisance is the jet stream, which has been behaving oddly over the past couple of years. That has the power to produce very cold or very warm weather, often with little warning.

But there's no doubt that the planet's climate is changing, becoming warmer, and that will lead to increased rainfall over the Northern hemisphere and more extreme weather events. All this makes accurate forecasting more difficult.
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Post by: snowcap on October 21, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
it was quite a stormy day when we left Llandudno at 3pm this afternoon and the trip home was far from pleasant but at least the trip across the new bridge was quite a relief after being held up for 20 min,s or more in the past, 3-4 mins at the most, well worth the £1-80 toll (robbing sods)
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Post by: squigglev2 on October 21, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Glad you ad a good day.  A long wile since I got to Llandudno. Last time to N Wales for me and mum was a few years back for an Irish session in Bangor and while we toyed with heading back that way we opted or the A5, taking in close to my mother's birth place and mine (I think we both feel more affinity to the corner of N Wales this forum is about but I am Shrewsbury born, leaving young and mum had a very rural borders childhood before meeting dad (from Norwich) when se was training in Brum...) so it evoked other memories.

Trying to get back to stormy weather and the right area, Skerryvore (Pydew) seemed quite a place for winds! It had great views but it was a bit exposed....
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Post by: Ian on October 22, 2017, 08:44:03 AM
Pydew - faces South / South West.  Couldn't be more vulnerable if it tried.
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Post by: Hugo on December 11, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
The snow is starting to thaw on Colwyn Heights although the temperature is 0 C  but the extreme weather has meant that the visibility from here is excellent today.     From my window I can see the snow covered hills of the Cumbrian Hills,  but the Isle of Man and Northern Island are crystal clear but I can't make out any snow on them even when I've used binoculars.

Tonight they have forecast even colder temperatures so it's just as well that I've got a lot of grit for the drive
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Post by: Ian on January 01, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
Between 00:05 Wed 3rd and 22:00 Wed 3rd

Strong and at times gusty winds are expected through much of Wednesday. Combined with a period of high tides, it's likely that some coastal communities and routes will be affected by spray and large waves, whilst there is a small chance that injuries and danger to life could occur from large waves and beach material being thrown on to sea fronts, roads and coastal properties, along western and southern coasts. There is a small chance of injuries and danger to life, as well as minor property damage, from flying debris. There is a small chance of transport delays, route and bridge closures, and cancellations to public transport. As well as this, there is a small chance of disruption to power and other services.

Welcome to 2018...
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Post by: Hugo on January 01, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
I think that the winds have started to arrive already in the West Shore as we were there this afternoon.   The sand is piling up  by the boating lake and we saw a guy who must have lived in one of the houses there and he was clearing the sand from by the drains.
Full marks to him for his effort but the sand will be coming back again!!!
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Post by: Nemesis on January 01, 2018, 09:32:11 PM
The sand by the lake has been piled up to the top of the wall for ages now, so where it is ending up I hate to think.
 Just as a matter of interest, a few weeks ago we had a small ceiling collapse and when my OH cleared the mess from the floor he shovelled up 2 sacks of sand..............and we are at least 1/2 a mile from there ! Wonder where that came from???? :o
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Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2018, 10:12:12 AM
With westerly gusts of nearly 60 mph forecast for later today there will be more sand coming your way Nemesis.    You'll soon have more sand in your garden than the town has on the North Shore beach.      :o   


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42539225 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42539225)
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Post by: Ian on January 02, 2018, 10:24:47 AM
The latest probability model suggests we'll now escape the worst of the wind. Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2018, 11:59:19 AM
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The latest probability model suggests we'll now escape the worst of the wind. Fingers crossed.


Don't believe all you read in the DFM  Ian,  that's all fake news as one DT  keeps saying.      The BBC Wales latest forecast has gusts of over 40 mph in Llandudno for a continuous period of 25 hours.

That could mean one big sand dune in Nemesis garden on Wednesday
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Post by: Nemesis on January 02, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
So long as it stops short of filling the roof space in the loo again !
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Post by: SteveH on February 03, 2018, 12:24:01 PM
I must have been a bit dozy this morning,  I misread this article.........

Yellow warning for snow and ice                   * warning for yellow snow and ice * ?  ?

Snow, ice and plunging temperatures are set to hit North Wales next week.

The Met Office has issued another yellow weather warning covering all of the region’s six counties from 9pm on Monday until 3pm on Tuesday.
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Post by: SteveH on February 13, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
How long the freezing cold spell in North Wales is likely to last for       
Forecasters are predicting a much colder end to winter than usual.          :(

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-long-freezing-cold-spell-14284983 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-long-freezing-cold-spell-14284983)
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Post by: Ian on February 14, 2018, 08:42:04 AM
One main effect of all SSWs is to produce a rise in Easterly winds - which is what we've seen this winter. What's been happening over the course of the past several weeks is unusual weather for the UK and accurately forecasting longer than 12 hours in advance has become very tricky.
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Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2018, 03:59:36 PM
It was very windy here on Colwyn Heights earlier today and some of my heavy garden furniture blew over.     It's bin day tomorrow so it would be a good thing for Kingdom Security to follow the bin lorry around. they would make a fortune in fines        ;D
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Post by: SteveH on February 26, 2018, 03:53:54 PM
A small flurry of snow just passed the window,(Llanddudno) anybody got a spare carrot...... :twoface:
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Post by: Hugo on February 27, 2018, 10:50:13 AM
A couple of inches of snow fell overnight  but the wind has died down so it doesn't seem that cold now.    Worse weather to come on Thursday though

There have been a number of schools that have closed because of the weather, including Ysgol Pen Y Bryn in Colwyn Bay

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43203777 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43203777)
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Post by: norman08 on February 27, 2018, 11:25:19 AM
All the schools closed health & safety ,and where are the kids ,playing out in the snow 😂😂
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Post by: Hugo on February 27, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
The world has gone crazy Norman, this morning on ITV  I saw a Head Teacher who had banned throwing snowballs in school.  It's a good job he wasn't working in my school or he would have been pelted with snowballs.
So no snowball fighting and no conkers in school so what next?
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Post by: Ian on February 27, 2018, 01:20:11 PM
The snowball ban is nothing new, Hugo; it was enforced for as long as I can remember and was done so to protect those who wear glasses from  having them knocked off. As a child in school I also noticed that the kids who enjoyed throwing them were very often the same ones who enjoyed making others' lives a misery through bullying.  Good schools either allows those kids who don't want to be spattered to go in during breaks, or allow snowballs only in certain areas.
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Post by: norman08 on February 27, 2018, 01:41:08 PM
The kids / parents are wimps these days ,if you wore glasses years ago you took them off to join in the snowball fights ,don't remember the school closed in the 50/60 s .some people have put pics up of the snow up the Orme 😂😂 they think that is snow .
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Post by: Ian on February 27, 2018, 02:28:53 PM
I don't agree. I don't deny there have been plenty who abuse H & S legislation for their own ends but wearing glasses from an early age, combined with snowballs, is a recipe for disaster.

A lot of kids aim specifically for the face. If you wear glasses, that can be mighty dangerous. And taking off your specs so you can join  in conveniently ignores two facts: a lot of kids wouldn't have anywhere safe to put their specs and - the most important, perhaps - once they've removed them, they aren't able to see well enough either to dodge incoming missiles or to fight back.

So, no; restricting snowball fighting to specific areas is the answer, but a lot of kids don't enjoy snowballing, in the same way a lot of kids don't enjoy football. Often, interestingly for the same reasons.
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Post by: Bosun on February 27, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
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The kids / parents are wimps these days ,if you wore glasses years ago you took them off to join in the snowball fights ,don't remember the school closed in the 50/60 s .some people have put pics up of the snow up the Orme 😂😂 they think that is snow .

I bet you remember TB, rickets, and lice as well.

Eh up, those were the days.
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Post by: hollins on February 27, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
I thought it was just me thinking how strange it was to close schools so that the children could go out and play in the snow but now I know I am not alone.
Here is a photo of me and my brother playing happily in the snow in the school playground in about 1960 and me in a kilt!
The second photo is the temperature in Switzerland at 7.00am this morning......brrrr!
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Post by: DVT on February 27, 2018, 04:39:36 PM
We've had snow on the Orme before ... 1979 Cambrian Rally, and why it didn't happen !!!

My grand-daughter was off school today becaUse it was closed (John Brights) ... seems the problem is mainly due to the teachers not beiNg able to get there as they live out in the mountains or on Anglesey and elsewhere - are there no local teachers?
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Post by: Hugo on February 28, 2018, 12:18:30 PM
For the first time ever, the Weather Office has issued a red warning for snow.    It's for Edinburgh at 3.00 am tomorrow and people have been requested to stay indoors.
Watch out Mull as you could get some too.
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Post by: Hugo on February 28, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
UK weather: Warning upgraded to red as heavy snow hits UK


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43221384 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43221384)
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Post by: mull on February 28, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
No problem here today. Bright sunshine, very clear no snow yet. Red warning is for the Central belt although I have just heard all Posties in Scotland are to finish work by 1500 hours.
Our problem has been the Easterly gale and cancelled ferries . MV Isle of Mull will attempt a crossing from and to Oban at 1600 hours, so no post or newspapers today. I can live with that.

Last Saturday was bad have a look at following website :- Life on Tiree, Construct and Destruct. MV Hebridean Isles trying to berth at Tiree. Luckily no one was hurt.
Watched launch of this ferry sideways into River Ouse at Selby. I was living in York at the time, there is a good video on YouTube--Launch of Hebridean Isles at Selby, No H & S in them days.


Stay warm and safe everyone.
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Post by: Hugo on March 01, 2018, 10:43:02 AM
The temperature was around minus 4C all day yesterday and last night I noticed that an outdoor pipe had frozen up so I checked two outdoor taps and there was an icicle on one so I think that I'll need the service of a plumber very quickly after the pipes thaw.
This is the first time in the 32 years since I have lived here that the pipes have frozen and it's due to get worse today and tomorrow.
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Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 11:02:02 AM
As I was putting my computer on just now I noticed that the waves were pounding the prom at Rhos and took a couple of photos,   They were taken through the window as there was no way that I was going outside to take them as it's freezing at the moment.
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Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
Nasty, not a clever place to park a car  ! !
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Post by: Bellringer on March 02, 2018, 11:44:48 AM
A55 signage says Holyhead Port is closed and there is a diversion via the Menai Bridge. Presumably the Britannia bridge is closed because of high winds.
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Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2018, 11:50:35 AM
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A55 signage says Holyhead Port is closed and there is a diversion via the Menai Bridge. Presumably the Britannia bridge is closed because of high winds.

I have just read the article below, and after seeing hugo's photos, I did not realise things were so bad, must admit, have not been out much, just enjoying the central heating.

Live: Emergency at Holyhead Marina as Storm Emma sinks boats
Police are asking people to avoid the area due to a major incident.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073)
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Post by: hollins on March 02, 2018, 12:40:44 PM
Good job I didn't book Sainsbury's!
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Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 12:46:14 PM
I had to pop out for a bag of salt grit as I had used the last bit this morning when I dug the snow off the drive again so I went down to Rhos,
High tide had been about an hour before I took some more photos, so the waves were not as powerful as when I first saw them but even so the Caley  embankment was cordoned off
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Post by: spotty dog on March 02, 2018, 01:32:22 PM
It will be interesting to see how much of CCBC very expensive sand remains after these easterly winds .
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Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2018, 02:09:31 PM
I mentioned above about the Holyhead situation, which has now escalated.......

Up to 80 boats have been sunk or wrecked as Storm Emma ripped through Holyhead Marina.
Shocking images revealed ‘complete destruction’ after millions of pounds worth of boats were smashed against rocks by massive waves during the early hours of today.

A 30-foot boat was among the boats sunk as hurricane force winds tore through the site.

Pontoons were damaged, as was the marina itself and fuel has leaked into the water.
Coastguards are looking at how they can protect the environment.
No-one has been hurt but the coastguard and police urged people stay away from the marina for their own safety.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073)
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Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 02:31:15 PM
I've just watched the news today and there was a clip of a bus going into a skid and avoiding a collision with a parked car,   The video has gone viral but they have identified the driver who was on TV and it was a fantastic piece of driving by the young blonde lady.
Another motorist attracted my attention, but for the wrong reason when he was interviewed on the TV.    He along with many other motorists had been stuck in the snow for a number of hours and he had a young child with him.    After complaining about the traffic not moving his parting words were " it's pathetic"
My thoughts were that we have all had enough warning so who really was pathetic?
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Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 04:21:26 PM
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The temperature was around minus 4C all day yesterday and last night I noticed that an outdoor pipe had frozen up so I checked two outdoor taps and there was an icicle on one so I think that I'll need the service of a plumber very quickly after the pipes thaw.
This is the first time in the 32 years since I have lived here that the pipes have frozen and it's due to get worse today and tomorrow.

Just as an add on although it may be too late for me, last night I had a conversation with my walking mate Tellytubby about a Winter Lagging Kit from Welsh Water and he told me to go on to their website.        The kit retails at £15.00 but it's FREE ONLINE   and just in case anyone thinks that it's too good to be true I've copied my e-mail from them.

Product Quantity Unit price Discount Subtotal
Winter Lagging Kit
CODE: LAGPAK01
 1 £15.00 £15.00 £0.00 
Subtotal:  £0.00
Including discount:  £15.00
Shipping cost:  £0.00

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Total cost:  £0.00
 


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Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 04:24:58 PM
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I've just watched the news today and there was a clip of a bus going into a skid and avoiding a collision with a parked car,   The video has gone viral but they have identified the driver who was on TV and it was a fantastic piece of driving by the young blonde lady.
Another motorist attracted my attention, but for the wrong reason when he was interviewed on the TV.    He along with many other motorists had been stuck in the snow for a number of hours and he had a young child with him.    After complaining about the traffic not moving his parting words were " it's pathetic"
My thoughts were that we have all had enough warning so who really was pathetic?

I've just seen a link to the video and it's well worth watching

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43255368 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43255368)
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Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 09:18:16 AM
This photo appeared on facebook and shows you how cold it is for Aber Falls to freeze
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Post by: SteveH on March 03, 2018, 10:55:12 AM
Hugo, thanks for the WW free offer tip, the sights I have checked are saying " out of stock"  can you pass your link on us please.
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Post by: Cambrian on March 03, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
Following Hugo's helpful advice I ordered one satisfactorily.  I went via the official Dwr Cymru website.  You have to register as a customer and there's only one allowed per household.
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Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 03:24:05 PM
Thanks Cambrian for posting that.     $good$

I wish that I'd have known about it before but at least I'll have it for the next cold spell.     
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Post by: SteveH on March 03, 2018, 03:37:43 PM
Sorry lads but I am still seeing this.


"All Gone!
We've now sold out of lagging kits. Please check back for future offers."

Any advice  $good$
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Post by: Meleri on March 03, 2018, 05:24:00 PM
They have this offer most years according to a blog I was reading earlier, so you will have to get in early next year Steve. I can't see how they can quote it should cost £15 as Aqualogic who have partnered Dwr Cymru on this, sell the tap protection jacket for £5.72 and the 2 metre insulation pipe cover is on offer in B&Q for £1  &shake&
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Post by: SteveH on March 03, 2018, 06:19:01 PM
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They have this offer most years according to a blog I was reading earlier, so you will have to get in early next year Steve. I can't see how they can quote it should cost £15 as Aqualogic who have partnered Dwr Cymru on this, sell the tap protection jacket for £5.72 and the 2 metre insulation pipe cover is on offer in B&Q for £1  &shake&
Many thanks M.   $good$
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Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 06:31:56 PM
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Sorry lads but I am still seeing this.


"All Gone!
We've now sold out of lagging kits. Please check back for future offers."

Any advice  $good$

I've checked again Steve and sadly you're a bit late on the offer.  I'm not surprised that they have all gone considering the weather that we have had.
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Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 06:58:49 PM
If I thought the weather was bad in upper Colwyn Bay it was nothing compared to the countryside outside of St Asaph.    My walking mate Tellytubby was out in this weather delivering urgently required medical supplies and sent me photos of the road conditions he had to face.
When one road became impassable he walked half a mile through the snow to deliver the medical supplies to an elderly person.   I bet that person didn't expect to see anyone deliver the package that day
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Post by: Hugo on March 04, 2018, 06:28:09 PM
Tellytubby and Rhuddlan have been out and about today and Rhuddlan sent me a photo that shows the island in Menai Straits which is between both bridges.     The level of the water must have been too close for comfort for the people living in those cottages.
Tellytubby and Mrs T  went to Aber to have a look at the frozen falls there.    Apparently the place was busy with hundreds of people doing the same thing.
The ice has now started to melt but the photos are still impressive.
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Post by: SteveH on March 04, 2018, 06:55:21 PM
This dramatic drone footage reveals shattering scale of Holyhead Marina destruction
The film shot by John Davies looks like a scene from a disaster movie as recovery work continues.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dramatic-drone-footage-reveals-shattering-14367089 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dramatic-drone-footage-reveals-shattering-14367089)
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Post by: Hugo on March 04, 2018, 10:50:53 PM
I wouldn't fancy climbing up the waterfall at Aber but some climbers obviously did.   In the last photo I posted I've only just noticed a climber on the way up the waterfall
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Post by: Ian on March 05, 2018, 09:32:49 AM
We're at the same latitude as Minsk, so for the most part we get away with the worst weather.  I suspect that's why it always comes as a surprise when we get clobbered.
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Post by: Bosun on March 05, 2018, 11:49:56 AM
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I wouldn't fancy climbing up the waterfall at Aber but some climbers obviously did.   In the last photo I posted I've only just noticed a climber on the way up the waterfall

I know the climbers, they are experienced ice climbers and they took the opportunity.
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Post by: Hugo on March 08, 2018, 07:36:58 AM
It's back again!!     
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Post by: Ian on March 08, 2018, 08:15:59 AM
It is, and yet because it didn't snow in Cardiff, the only mention of it on the Wales news on BBC was the final item - when in passing they mentioned that a bit of snow had fallen. Had a few flakes hit Cardiff they'd have been doing special bulletins all day...
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Post by: DVT on March 08, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
A470 closed between Glan Conwy and Tal-y-Cafn due to SNOW !!!

I grew up in Tal-y-Cafn and live in Llandudno Junction since 1976 - I cannot recall Bodnant Hill ever being closed before - what is going on?

I should be at Bodnant today so looks unlikely now!
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Post by: Ian on March 08, 2018, 09:45:48 AM
Bodnant hill does close in snowfall times - usually when a lorry gets stuck half way up.  But we've known it closed on several occasions - although usually only for a short time.
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Post by: Hugo on April 04, 2018, 10:45:30 AM
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Following Hugo's helpful advice I ordered one satisfactorily.  I went via the official Dwr Cymru website.  You have to register as a customer and there's only one allowed per household.

Hi Cambrian,    I have been waiting eagerly for my tap cover to arrive and today the great moment arrived so I opened the parcel as quickly as I could because it's not often that you get a bargain like that.
The tap cover looks like a square polystyrene bell and it was already squashed and with it was a 6 foot length of lagging.    I wish that I could have got the £15.00 plus back but then realised that I didn't have to pay for it anyway.
It's only a bargain if it is any good but at least I'll keep the lagging tube but the cover has gone straight into the black bin. Some you win some you lose        :(
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Post by: SteveH on April 07, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Bad luck H. I was going to order one after reading your original post....... guess what.
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Post by: squigglev2 on April 07, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
Yep unlucky with that freebie...  I must admit that following the links, I thought you would get this one:  https://aqualogicwc.co.uk/store/dcww/garden/winter-tap-jacket/

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Only one outdoor problem here over the cold spell.  One compression joint near a tap pushed out but I could (and should have done before the freeze) turn the affected bit of pipework off and I left the repair until things warmed up. I'll find out what it did to the micro irrigation bits later this month - it will soon be time to connect the pump and tap timers up.
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Post by: Hugo on April 07, 2018, 10:57:04 PM
I could make a tap like that out of the tubing that they sent but it's certainly not what I expected.      I'll be better prepared next Winter though, even if it means forking out on a proper tap cover
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Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2018, 12:35:34 PM
If this does arrive, and the ground being hard, there could be problems.


Yellow warning is in force from 11am until 8pm on Friday, July 13 and covers the whole region.

Forecasters are warning that some areas could be hit by 20mm (just under an inch) of rain in just an hour which could see some homes flooded.

Motorists are also being warned that heavy showers could pose difficult driving conditions due to spray and standing water.

While the Met Office warning also states that there could be power cuts due to lightning strikes.

Rain is expected to arrive in the region on Thursday before the downpours turn heavier on Friday.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-north-wales-14894029 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-north-wales-14894029)
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Post by: Ian on July 11, 2018, 02:30:46 PM
At least they've got the right day :-)
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Post by: squigglev2 on July 11, 2018, 02:48:42 PM
Certainly could do with some rain where I am, but maybe not so much as that in one go.  The sugar beet in the field is looking OK and I've not seen the farm out with their watering canon (thing that sort of tracks up and down the field and I guess draws water from a private bore hole or reservoir) they sometimes use but our own few attempts this year have needed a lot of assistance..

Our bits of grass, come whatever else may grow there, eg, clover, daisies, etc. is very parched,  Is that the same in N Wales?
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Post by: Fester on July 12, 2018, 06:06:38 PM
Do you think I’m being wise?
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Post by: Hugo on July 14, 2018, 12:10:02 PM
Crop marks reveal ancient sites in Wales due to heatwave



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44806069 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44806069)
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Post by: hollins on July 14, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
This is amazing. I was fascinated by this one too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44786388 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44786388)
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Post by: Hugo on July 14, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
Thanks for posting that Hollins, my friends were talking about it this week so it was nice to see the photo of the garden
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Post by: SteveH on September 07, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
Tornado stuns weather watchers in the skies over Llandudno
The phenomenon was caught on camera by witnesses.

A large funnel could be seen forming on the water behind Parc Llandudno retail estate before snaking along the shoreline. It then proceeded to dump water on the Victorian town.     ref DP



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Post by: SteveH on October 12, 2018, 05:19:03 PM
Hope everybody is OK,    we have been very jumpy at times, windows feel like they are going to blow in, and the roof, ??? we have the large Marley tiles, sounds horrible as if being lifted and slammed down, nasty, not going to check until tomorrow.

Just heard the cable car Co. has had a cable detach from a gantry.
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Post by: Hugo on October 12, 2018, 06:32:28 PM
It's pretty wild up here on Colwyn Heights Steve but Mrs H was in Llandudno  earlier today and said that it was worse there.   Some places in Wales have had it really bad but the sad thing is that this is just the start of the Winter storm season
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 12, 2018, 07:42:12 PM
We were expecting a service call from Hotpoint next Monday but this afternoon Hotpoint telephoned to reappoint because a tree had blown over onto the Hotpoint van !!