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Title: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: DaveR on August 28, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
Forum member 'Tosh' has been researching Llandudno Traders from back in 1901 and has a lot of information to share. I've set up this topic for him to add all his information in to. I'm sure it'll be a very interesting read.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on August 29, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
Llandudno in 1901

I wonder just how curious the good folk of Llandudno are in learning about the traders in their town in the year of our Lord 1901.
You will be amazed at the different trades that existed back then and also the trades that have survived through the years.

Let’s start with Aerated Water Manufacturers; do you think that more than one would be necessary?
Let me put your mind at rest, there were two of them namely, William Hill and his rival Thomas Owen of Warehouse Street.

Next we’ll take a look at Agents for the supply of cycles.
Arthur Deacon & Son of Gloddaeth Street, R. Welch of Garden Street and The Mostyn Cycle Company at 8 Mostyn Street.

Only two estate agents exist at this time, I wonder how that will change in the future.
John Hughes and Company of Holyrood Chambers, Lloyd Street and Alfred G. Pugh of Llewelyn Chambers.

The only architect here and I’m sure that he is kept very busy in these changing times is, D.G. McIntosh of Lloyd Street.

Perhaps one artist, W.E. Benger of 1 Gay Terrace is enough for a small town like this.

Mostyn Street seems to be the favourite resting place for our five auctioneers.
We have, Harris Blairmann at number 79 and also at Lloyd Street, he deals mainly in china and fine art.
A.J. Oldman is at number 24.
E. O Parry & Sons Central Chambers, number 8.
McMahon & Co are in business at 117.
Finally Mr F.J. Sarson has set up shop at number 16.

Nine bakers seem to be in proportion to the number of people and guests in and around the area.
John B. Edwards, 85 Mostyn Street.
William Evans, 7 Mostyn Street.
Thomas Hesmor Hooson, 96 Mostyn Street.
Robert Jones, 75 Mostyn Street.
John Littler, 22 Mostyn Street.
Owen Owen, 24 Madoc Street.
T & J Owen, the Model Steam Bakery at Gloddaeth Street.
John W. Williams, 20 Back Mostyn Street.
W. Williams & Co, 149 Mostyn Street.

Considering that most workers are paid in cash and therefore most transactions would be in cash I think that three banks are sufficient for the town’s needs.
Lloyd’s Bank Ltd of 104 Mostyn Street.
Metropolitan Bank of England & Wales at 103 Mostyn Street.
National Provincial Bank of England, 14 South Parade.
I wonder how many of those will still be trading in a hundred years’ time?

With the increase in literacy, book sellers are becoming more popular all the time, there are now four trading, all of them in Mostyn Street.
Herbert Tomkinson, at number 115.
William Wardleworth, at number 34.
Wilkinson & Thompson, at 48.
George L. Woodley, at 127.

Because the traders cater for a more distinguished type of customer we have 6 Boot makers, in a more industrial setting there would be Clog makers too.
John & William Hughes, at 18 Mostyn Street.
O. Hughes at the back of St John’s Market.
William Jones, 3 Taliesin Street.
John F Parker, 88 Mostyn Street.
John Roberts, Back Madoc Street.
Evan Williams, Arundel House, Llewelyn Street.

In my opinion one Brick Maker is enough for any town.
But, there is an awful lot of building going on and I suppose that P & H Lewis at the Llandudno Brick works are kept very busy supplying the bricks for the 6 builders who are,
Evan Hughes, Bodhyfryd walks.
Thomas Jones, Reform Street.
Owen & Co, North Madoc Street.
Abel Roberts, 11 Deganwy Street.
Benjamin Williams, 6 St George’s Crescent.
Roger Williams, 14 Gloddaeth Crescent.

If you need a butcher there are eight of them all anxious for your business.
William Cottrell at 10 Clonmel Street.
William Davies down at Deganwy.
L. Fildes also at Deganwy who is also the proud owner of superior apartments facing the sea near the golf links. (available to let)
John Jones & Son, Queen’s Buildings, 51 Mostyn Street.
John Jones & Sons, Central Buildings, Mostyn Street, purveyors of meat to the Royal Family no less.
E. Owen & Sons, 80 Mostyn Street.
Robert Parry, 11 Mostyn Street.
Edwin Williams who is situated in the Market Hall.


A good cabinet maker can be hard to find these days but if you need one you can call on Joseph Matthews at 46 Mostyn Street.

Should you wish to travel around in style you will need to contact one of our Carriage Hirers, they are,
Alfred Johnson, 19 Church Walks.
Hugh Roberts also in Church Walks.
The Coaching Carriage Company Limited in Adelphi Street.

The Coach Builder who supports the carriage hirers is, John Roberts in Back Madoc Street.

For your medicinal remedies and cures we have five chemists around the town.
Burton & Son at 81 and 98 Mostyn Street.
L.A. Cocker, 68 Mostyn Street.
W.A. Roberts, 31 Mostyn Street.
Joseph Winter, 3 Mostyn Street.
H. Gibson, 48 Madoc Street.

Because this is a holiday resort we will need the services of our two China and Glass Dealers probably on a frequent basis. Would you believe that most of the tableware comes from Stoke on Trent as do a lot of our visitors?
Henry Dukes, 2 Church Walks.
J. Wiley & Son, 91 Mostyn Street.

This is the first instalment of a possible four so read and enjoy.
All constructive comments are welcome.
Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: DaveR on August 29, 2012, 01:56:07 PM
Excellent work, Tosh, really well done.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 29, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Tosh, one of my great grandfathers was a tailor in Mostyn Street around that time.

Did you manage to find any tailors?
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on August 29, 2012, 03:50:48 PM
Yes Bri, there were 7 and one of them looks quite good for your family.
You will have to be patient.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 29, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
 D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Fester on August 29, 2012, 11:53:17 PM
Despite being a Yorkshireman, I have always known that my Great Grandparents were Welsh and Irish, but the Welsh part was actually from Mid Wales.
However, by amazing concidence, just recently Mrs Fester was given a document which was a job reference for HER Great Grandfather who was actually Swiss.  He was to be employed by a Bakery / Chocolatier in Lloyd St, Llandudno in 1912.
She never knew she had a Welsh connection of any kind.  $walesflag$

I wait with anticipation to see if such an establishment is listed on one of Tosh's future posts!
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Llechwedd on August 30, 2012, 11:50:26 AM
Wasn't there a Swiss Cafe in St. Georges Place?
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on August 30, 2012, 01:45:48 PM
I have a better answer than that, but you will have to wait for part 2.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901- part 2
Post by: Tosh on August 31, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
Where would those of us with a sweet tooth be if it were not for the Confectioners?
George Eaton of 39 Mostyn Street.
Thomas Esmoor Hooson at 96 Mostyn Street.
Alice Kennedy of Tygwyn Road.
John Littler at 22 Mostyn Street.
James Roberts, Holly Grove in Llewelyn Street.
A. Sumner, the Grosvenor Restaurant in Mostyn Street.
R. Williams, 107 Mostyn Street.

The Wholesale Confectioner has a very grand sounding name, Compagnie Francaise, suppliers of chocolate, cocoa and confectionary with factories in Paris, London and Strasburg.


Eliza Payne has a Dining Room at 7 Clonmel Street and Catharine Williams has one in Madoc Street.

I think that 13 Drapers are more than enough for the town.
William Arnold, B. R. Daines, W. R. Brookes, H. Howard, H. Jones, S. Bartley, Jones Bros, W. H. Meredith an J. O. Thomas are all in Mostyn Street.
A. J. Williams and M. Briggs & Son are in Gloddaeth Street.
M. Davies and Ben Jones are situated in Lloyd Street.


It is becoming very fashionable to have electricity installed in homes and businesses.
Electric lighting is far superior to gas lighting or oil lamps and far safer we are told.
There are three local Electrical Engineers who are experts in this field and are on hand to render their services as you wish.
R Boyd & Co, Augusta Street.
Domnison, Barber & Co, 8 Mostyn street.
Edwards & Armstrong, 139 Mostyn Street.



The next five traders come under the title of Fancy Repositories in other words Gift shops.
N.E. Ainsworth in Deganwy.
M & E Conway, 112 Mostyn Street.
E & M Leeson, 28 Mostyn Street.
Henry Parr, 129 Mostyn Street.
Wilkinson & Thompson, 48 Mostyn Street.

George L. Woodley is the only Fine Art Dealer in town.

The four Fishmongers are.
Brooke & Sons, Market Hall, Gloddaeth Street.
E Hughes, Deganwy.
John Hughes, 12 Mostyn Street.
Richard Roberts, 60 Mostyn Street.

William Roose at Victoria Nurseries is the only Florist.

The Fruiterers seem to be spread evenly around the town.
Berrill & Son, J.T Jones, Daniel Phillips and E Smith are all situated in Mostyn Street.
Messrs Cowley, William Davies, M. Edwards and William Fisher are all in the Market Hall, Gloddaeth Street.
Herbert Jarvis and John Williams are in St John’s Market.
Enoch Davis is resident in Lloyd Street.

Most of the Grocers are in either Mostyn Street old Madoc Street which I suppose is central to their customers.
In Mostyn Street are, George Brookes, Dean & Sons, John B. Edwards, William Evans, Thomas Esmor Hooson,  E.P. Jones & Sons, John Littler, Thomas Roberts, W. Williams and John W. Williams in Back Mostyn Street.

Situated in Madoc Street are, Richard H Brown, J. Jones and Owen Owen.

A. A .Griffiths is in Lloyd Street.

Hairdressers are plentiful, they are, J. Brown, Madoc Street and Mrs Forester, G. F. Forrester, W. S. Herbert and M. L. Wagstaff in Mostyn Street.

A very important trade in its time is that of a Hatter, a gentleman of this age should not be seen without his hat.
They are John Davies & Son at 36 Mostyn Street and Robert G Roberts at 52 Mostyn Street.

There are four Hosiers who will attend to the needs of the elegant ladies, they are,
S Bartley & Son, 62 Mostyn Street.
John Davies & Son, 36 Mostyn Street.
J. O. Thomas & Co, 73 Mostyn Street.
W. S. Williams, 99 Mostyn Street.

Hotels are the mainstay of a tourist resort like Llandudno.
The more hotels we have, the more visitors we have and therefore more employment for the local people.
Alexandra in Clonmel Street.
Alexandra 47 Mostyn Street.
Baths, North Parade.
Brooklyn, 51 Church walks,
Central & Commercial, 21 Mostyn Street.
Clifton in Vaughan Street.
Deganwy Castle in Deganwy.
Imperial, Vaughan street.
Junction at Llandudno Junction.
London, 131 Mostyn Street.
Marine in Vaughan Street.
Moons in Vaughan Street.
Neville opposite the station.
North Western in Vaughan Street.
Parade in Church Walks.
Prince of Wales, Lloyd Street, H Lester proprietor.
Queen’s, The Parade.
Royal in Church walks.
St George’s, The Parade.
St Tudno’s 64 Mostyn Street.
Station View, Augusta Street.
Washington, East Parade.
William’s Private, 7 Mostyn Street.

Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901- queries.
Post by: Tosh on August 31, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
Fester,,, look for the French company and that might be where he went for the job.

Bri,,,, your answer might be in part 3 under tailors, coming soon.

Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901- queries.
Post by: Fester on August 31, 2012, 10:24:05 PM
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Fester,,, look for the French company and that might be where he went for the job.

Bri,,,, your answer might be in part 3 under tailors, coming soon.

Hmm, not sure.. as he was a 'head baker', not confectioner.
So, next week, Mrs Fester will obtain the actual reference document, hopefully it will have the name and address of the employer!
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901, part 3, the final part.
Post by: Tosh on September 01, 2012, 07:58:20 PM
For all your furniture needs you can go to either of the two Household Furnishers here.
Rhydwyn, Jones & Davies, Mostyn Street.
Thomas & Fisher, Vaughan Street.

A lot of seaside resorts have Hydropathic Establishments and Llandudno is no exception.
These three establishments use water to treat diseases and some people say that it is very beneficial.
Craigside at the foot of the Little Orme. http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/wpw003021?search=craigside&ref=1 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/wpw003021?search=craigside&ref=1)
Gogarth Abbey in Abbey Road.
Llandudno Hydropathic & Winter Residence Co Ltd, 22 Neville Crescent.

Would you suppose that seven Ironmongers would be enough for a town of this size.
They don’t just sell iron products as the title suggests, they also sell plumbing painting and decorating goods.
As with most businesses it will be interesting to see who will still be trading in a hundred years’ time.
Let’s start with,
Bevan Bros at 56 Mostyn Street.
Richard Conway at 110 Mostyn Street.
T.W. Griffith at 33 Mostyn Street.
James Haworth at 100 Mostyn Street.
Ralph & Fisher 32 Mostyn Street.
R.J. Williams at 9 Mostyn Street.
D & R.T. Owen Cambrian Works, Lloyd Street.
Just down the road in Deganwy is S. Davies.

We have three Italian Warehousemen although as their names show they are not actually Italian.
The title indicates what types of products they have in stock such as, pasta, olive oil, pickles, perfumes, fruits, paints and pigments.
The Italian word for this kind of store would be Delicatezza.
Stephen Dunphy, 111 Mostyn Street.
John Littler, 22 Mostyn Street.
Thomas Esmor Hooson, 96 Mostyn Street.

A town of this size and expanding very quickly deserves more than two Joiners I’m sure.
Jonathon Parr, 8 Deganwy Street.
Henry Pritchard, Penmaen View Villa, Caroline Street.
 
All those hotels and only one Laundry.
Kendall & Reardon, public laundry, Warehouse Street.

Coal Merchants are very important to the town.
Without them the winters would be even harder to bear.
Some of the hotels and private homes have gas and electricity installed but coal is still the most common form of heating and cooking.
Richard Evans & Co at the railway station.
P. Jones in Adelphi Street.
John Owen, 14 Taliesin Street.
R.D. Owen & Sons, Coal & Corn Exchange, Madoc Street.

They say that afternoon sherry or an after dinner brandy is good for you, so there are eight Wine & Spirit Merchants to cater for your every need.
George Brookes, 101 Mostyn Street.
 W & A Gilbey (London), 111 Mostyn Street, Stephen Dunphy agent.
Thomas Esmor Hooson, 96 Mostyn Street.
Ind Coope & Co Ltd, 8 Mostyn Street.
H. Lester, Mostyn street.
Richard Owen, 76 Mostyn Street.
William Owen, 60 High Street, also a Chemist.

Benjamin Woodcock is the owner of the Music & Musical Instrument Warehouse at 123 Mostyn Street on the corner of North Parade.

There three Newsagents conveniently placed in Mostyn Street.
George C. Richmond & Co at number 5.
Wilkinson & Thompson at number 48.
G.R. Thompson at number65.

What a forward thinking town we have, embracing the modern times by having three Newspapers printed and published here in Llandudno.
Llandudno Advertiser, Llewelyn Chambers.
Llandudno Register & Visitors Herald.
Original Llandudno Directory & Visitor, 133 Mostyn Street.
There are three Painters who are no doubt kept very busy during the winter months when the hotels are quiet.
D. & R.T. Owen, Cambrian works, Lloyd Street.
G. Roberts, Vaughan Street.
J. & S. Roberts, Lloyd Street.

How nice it must be for the visitors to be able to take home pictures of their holidays taken by our own Photographers.
Laroche & Son, 109 Mostyn Street and also at the Rock Studio, Great Orme’s
Head.
A. Manders, Gloddaeth Street.
Slater’s Art Studio, Varnon House, Mostyn Street.

All good builders need Plasterers and we have two of them.
William Jones in James Street.
Robert Owen at 1, Glan - y - Mor Villas.

Surely if you have good builders and plasterers you will need good Plumbers.
Joseph Duddell, 54 Church walks.
D. & R. T. Owen, Cambrian Works, Lloyd street.
J. & S. Roberts, Lloyd Street.
A. Hill, Deganwy.

The three Poulterers can supply you with the finest birds from local sources.
M. Edwards who trades in the Market Hall.
Daniel Phillips at 77 Mostyn Street.
Thomas Smith, 63 Mostyn Street.

If you require the services of one of the Printers you will be able to contact either of these people.
William Smith at Printing House Square.
Herbert Tomkinson at 115 Mostyn Street.

There are six restaurants to choose from for your culinary delights.
Avondale, 13 Mostyn Street.
Criterion, 74 Mostyn Street.
Granville, 29 Mostyn Street.
Grosvenor, 87 Mostyn Street.
Nottingham, 15 Mostyn Street.
R. Williams, 15 Lloyd Street.

There are three Saddlers to cater for your equine needs.
E. Davies, Lloyd Street.
Samuel Glaze, 105 Mostyn Street.
John Jones, Back Madoc Street.

Should you require the services of a legal representative we have six Solicitors at your disposal.
Chamberlain & Johnson, Trinity Street.
W.J. Carbett, 9a Mostyn Street.
William Donkin Henderson, 38 Mostyn Street.
Marks & Marks, Lloyd Street.
James J. Marks, Lloyd Street.
Pugh & Bone, Llewelyn Chambers, Llewelyn Street.

With all of the grand buildings being erected locally the services of a good Stonemason is essential.
George Roberts, Vaughan Street.

Gentlemen of standing always require the services of good Tailors.
David Davies, Back Madoc Street.
John Davies & Son, 36 Mostyn Street.
Hugh Hughes, 90 Mostyn Street.
Benjamin Jones, 55 Church Walks.
W. B. Oliver, 139 Mostyn Street.
Robert G. Roberts, 52 Mostyn Street.
W. S. Williams, 99 Mostyn Street.

Taverns are an important part of the working man’s life.
It is somewhere he can call of an evening and enjoy the friendly atmosphere among his peers.
I wonder how many of these will still be with us in a hundred years’ time?
Albert, Madoc Street.
Cross Keys Vaults, 37 Madoc Street.
Gresham, 143 Mostyn Street.
Harrington, 71 Mostyn Street.
Kings Arms, 17 Mostyn Street.
Kings Head, Old Road.
Pier, 4 Church Walks.
Snowdon, 12 Tudno Street.
Stanley Hotel, 70 Mostyn Street. Licensee, Peter Robinson.
Telegraph, Great Orme’s Head.
Victoria, 65 Mostyn Street.

A gentleman can purchase his smoking requisites from the Tobacconist, H. Jones in Lloyd Street.

All good children deserve to be rewarded by having a special treat from one of the Toy Dealers.
A.H. Bunney, 49 Mostyn Street.
John Homan, 82 Mostyn Street.
Teresa Micali, 9 Clonmel Street.
Henry Parr, 129 Mostyn Street.

Should the weather turn to rain our Umbrella Maker will ensure that you keep dry.
Robert Welch, Gloddaeth Street.

There are six watchmakers in the town.
M. Bagley, 14 Mostyn Street.
William Duncan, 19a Mostyn Street.
J.E. Hodgetts, 69 Mostyn Street.
T. Jephcott, 15 Gloddaeth Street.
H. Beading, 137 Mostyn Street.
H. Wisebeck, Lloyd Street.

I hope you have enjoyed reading about the town as it was in 1901.
I am currently looking at the year1895 but because of the enormous amount of information therein I shall just give you the link and you can go through it at your own leisure.
The information in there will be of great value to anyone researching their family tree, about 23 pages.
Anybody who was anybody in that year is in there.
It will be one day next week when I get round to doing that.
Cheers,
Tosh


Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: DaveR on September 01, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
Excellent work, Tosh, many thanks for sharing it with us.  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: hollins on September 01, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
What an interesting piece of research you have done there Tosh, well done and thank you.
I was delighted to see the umbrella maker in there but it also leaves me quite sad that all those skills the town once had are probably gone forever.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Fester on September 02, 2012, 01:02:06 AM
Superb articles Tosh, the history of retailing in Llandudno is both compelling and timeless.
Thank you!

I will refer back to this topic on many occasions.

I wonder who was trading on the pier (if anyone) in 1901?

Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Helig on September 02, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
I was fascinated by the details of the commercial life in Llandudno back then.

The David Littler, groacer etcs one of the Littler family from Cheshire. They were, and are, a big farming family in Cheshire then. It seems that David Littler decided he preferred Llandudno.

The jeweller shown H Wisebeck, is a relation of mine by marriage. The correct name was Weissbeck. This family came from Germany and settled in Scarborough before they lived in Llandudno. H, or Henry Weissbeck's son, Louis, came to Llandudno as well and he was optician and jeweller too. He lived in Ravenscar, Clifton Road for some years.

There are Weissbeck descendants living in the Llandudno area to this day.

I wondered about the Cocoa House when was this trading? It was in the small lane at the rear of Mostyn St, not far from where the National Westminster Bank used to be.

Helig
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 02, 2012, 12:04:22 PM
H. Weissbeck, actual spelling in the 1895 directory says, Jeweller, see Hodgetts & Weissbeck, residence, Bryn Orme, Tabor Hill.
The spelling must have been Anglicised sometime between 1895 and 1901.
His partner was J.E. Hodgetts of 69 Mostyn Street, jewellers and opticians.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 02, 2012, 05:35:12 PM
If you liked the 1901 trades articles you will absolutely love these.
With the 1901 issue I transposed the information into something a little lighter to make it more interesting.
I have done this with the stuff I wrote for my place of birth in Staffordshire.
However the information in this 1895 set is far too much for me to embroider so I will give it to you straight.
I can guarantee that it will keep you good for hours on end.
All the trade directories are provided free of charge by the University of Leicester as long as it is nor abused or used for commercial gain.
If you click on the link it will take you directly to Llandudno 1895, page 236.
If you see the white area has only script in it proceed as follows.
In the blue tool bar above the white area you will see various tools.
In Go To Image you will see 236.
Next to it is the GO box.
Click it.
That will take you to page 236, scroll down to where it says Llandudno and read to the bottom of the page.
When you want to go to the next page, there are more than 20 of them, click Next Page on the tool bar.
Next Image will carry you on and obviously if you want to return, Previous Image will take you back.
If you want the type to be larger, click, Zoom in and it will increase in size possibly just the once.
I suggest that as soon as you lock onto the first page, 236, put it into your favourites because you will be coming back to it time after time.
Enjoy yourselves and don't blame me if you get hooked on and start to neglect your other duties.
If you are really good I will send you the details for Llandudno 1880 next.
Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 02, 2012, 05:46:24 PM
Sorry, I forgot to include the link, here goes.

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009hgh.tif&dn=SPL14010tif&zoom=s (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009hgh.tif&dn=SPL14010tif&zoom=s)

Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Yorkie on September 02, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Fantastic Tosh.   Went to the Whitehaven section 1910 and found my Maternal G.G.Grandfather who was a Master Printer in the town.   Will have to delve further back and see what I can find.   $thanx$
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Llechwedd on September 03, 2012, 12:28:09 PM
To answer your question Fester there were kiosks on the pier in 1901.  There was a fruiterers and G R Thompson had the kiosk to the right of the steps up to the Pavillion entrance and one down the pier but don't know which one.  Towards the end?  He sold newspapers and fancy goods and possibly tobacco.

He should turn up in Tosh's 1895 list at 19 Mostyn Street where he also had a Welsh speaking barber.  GRT would chalk up the news on a big black board outside so people could see what was happening. Mafeking relieved etc.!
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Fester on September 03, 2012, 10:38:51 PM
I have pictures of the pier from 1901, there are also quite a few in the Gallery on this Forum,  (unless Dave has closed that too ha ha... L0L)

It looks like there were only 4 original kiosks, (of which my shop is one of them) ... but, I actually think that they might have just been shelters.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: DaveR on September 03, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
No, they were shops from the start. An attempt to bring in a little extra revenue.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Fester on September 03, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Interesting...

I would love to know what they sold,  and if the Seagulls were as adept at nicking their wares as they have become in the modern era.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1880
Post by: Tosh on September 04, 2012, 10:12:29 AM
This is another one I have discovered.
It is Llandudno in 1880 so enjoy.
I will see if I can get anything in the 1870s but it is doubtful.
Happy scrolling.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009hyr.tif&dn=CCL14012Atif&zoom=s (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009hyr.tif&dn=CCL14012Atif&zoom=s)
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: DaveR on September 05, 2012, 11:25:41 AM
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Interesting...

I would love to know what they sold,  and if the Seagulls were as adept at nicking their wares as they have become in the modern era.
I can see a variety of good hanging up in the windows of the kiosks in the full size version of the photo:

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Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 05, 2012, 11:57:07 AM
Is that Fester in the foreground in short trousers?
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Fester on September 05, 2012, 10:23:04 PM
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Interesting...

I would love to know what they sold,  and if the Seagulls were as adept at nicking their wares as they have become in the modern era.
I can see a variety of good hanging up in the windows of the kiosks in the full size version of the photo:

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I think you mean 'GOODS'   &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: DaveR on September 05, 2012, 10:32:36 PM
 &shake&  &shake&  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 07, 2012, 09:32:31 AM
Can anyone shed any light on the Hydrotherapy place at Craigside.
When I looked on the aerial photos from the 1920s, ( Britain from above ), it shows the building down on the beach and a feeder road going across to Colwyn Road.
In the shot is Lympley Lodge which is still there.
If you travel now along Colwyn Road going up the bank just past Ael Y Bryn there is a rusty old iron gate.
I wonder if that was the entrance to the establishment?
These are the actual aerial photos taken July 1920.
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/wpw003021?search=craigside&ref=1 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/wpw003021?search=craigside&ref=1)
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/wpw003026?search=craigside&ref=0 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/wpw003026?search=craigside&ref=0)
Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Helig on September 08, 2012, 04:44:47 PM
Was this place the forerunner to The Craigside Hydro Hotel?

There were buildiings on the fields where the access road is in these photos. These were in the ownership of The Craigside Hydro I think, at least they were in the 1960s. I recall there being an ice rink there. It was no longer in use in the mid 1960s. There were bunkers of some sort underneath. It could be these were from the Second World War.

At the side of the ice rink buildings there was a house. In the mid 1960s this was occupied by the Kendall-Jackson family, he was the son of the Kendall-Jacksons who managed the Hydro Hotel. I used to visit them as I was friends with a relative of theirs.

Helig.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1880
Post by: Nemesis on September 08, 2012, 05:29:33 PM
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This is another one I have discovered.
It is Llandudno in 1880 so enjoy.
I will see if I can get anything in the 1870s but it is doubtful.
Happy scrolling.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009hyr.tif&dn=CCL14012Atif&zoom=s (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009hyr.tif&dn=CCL14012Atif&zoom=s)

Thanks for this one Tosh. I have been researching the history of our house for a number of years and have found the owner of it listed here in the 1880 files.
I have forwarded the link to a lady in the states who is a relative of this gent and has been researching her family tree, so I'm sure she will be thrilled to see him listed there.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 08, 2012, 05:50:01 PM
Thanks Helig.
When I wrote the first article for 1901 I think the researcher must have had instructions to do a quick job because the two previous ones of 1880 & 1895 are much more detailed.

Do you suppose that the old rusty gates I mentioned was the actual access road to these places?

The Craigside Hydropathic in 1895 had J Smith as its managing director.
Henry Thomas, surgeon, is listed as the proprietor of what is now The Hydro in Neville Crescent in 1895.

Sometimes I keep finding bits of information as I re-read the articles, fascinating.
When I did this project for the village where I was born in Staffs, I discovered that my grandmother had lived at a shop with her aunt and uncle who had fostered her from birth.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 08, 2012, 05:53:09 PM
No problem Nemesis, I am glad to be of assistance.
Keep searching and don't forget,,,,,, nostalgia is a thing of the past.
Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Nemesis on September 09, 2012, 10:58:15 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Helig on September 12, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
Hello Tosh,

Sorry for the delay in replying to you.

I think the gates would have been for the access road to these buildings.

When I used to go there, I was told that the main buildings had been an ice rink, no idea of the dates this was in use. It may have been pre WW2 as I do recall being told there were bunkers underneath (said to be rat infested, so I didn't venture) which dated to that era.

This link refers to a bomb falling on the pumping station of The Craigside Hydro Hotel, this was on the beach.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northwestwales/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8977000/8977622.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northwestwales/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8977000/8977622.stm)

I don't know when the Craigside Hydro Hotel was built, does anyone have an idea?

I am not sure if it was used for military purposes in WW2. Most of the hotels like this were taken over then.

I shall try to find the answers on the census returns but suspect the Craigside Hydro dated after 1911. It was privately owned but taken over by Wallace Arnold in later years.

Helig.



Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Jack on September 12, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
The Craigside Hydro, like many other Llandudno hotels, was used by the Inland Revenue during WW2.  The bomb that fell and destroyed the pumbing station was one of three that was dropped.  A second landed harmlessly on the beach and the third up on Nant y Gamar, the crater still apparent today.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Helig on September 12, 2012, 04:49:23 PM
I had an afterthought regarding the buildings in the field opposite The Craigside Hydro Hotel. Could these have accommodated baths for the Hydro side of it originally?

Helig.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Nemesis on September 12, 2012, 06:18:50 PM
I can remember being taken to an ice show there in the 1950s. Can't be anymore specific-- sorry.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1868
Post by: Tosh on September 12, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
This will really get you going, Conway & Aberconway, their spelling not mine in wait for it 1868.
All the local vilages are mixed in so you will have to wade through it slowly.
It might be best to print it out, any way, enjoy.


http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009vqv.tif&dn=CCL14009tif&zoom=s (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00009vqv.tif&dn=CCL14009tif&zoom=s)
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1868
Post by: Tosh on September 12, 2012, 07:45:23 PM
I liked this in particular.
On the last page under Miscellaneous there are 3 men named Owen Jones.
The first one is a Tanner.
The second is the Keeper of the Castle Key.
The third one is the Inspector of Nuisances and Road Surveyor.
They don't make job titles like that anymore.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1835
Post by: Tosh on September 14, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
I cannot go back any further than this, 1835 is when these directories were first written.
This one is concerned with Aberconway (Conwy) as Llandudno does not appear to have been established as a place of trade yet.

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00004mng.tif&dn=LUL1001Ptif&zoom=s (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?fn=00004mng.tif&dn=LUL1001Ptif&zoom=s)

The usual rules apply, click GO and Next Image as required., you can use the Zoom facility if you wish.
It goes on to Abergele etc.
Enjoy.
Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 16, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
I know that I said I couldn't go any further back than 1835 but, in a moment of madness I tried the system again and stumbled across a few bits and pieces about 1828.
What was the name of the member of parliament for Aberconway in 1828?
Who was the landlord of the Liverpool Arms on The Quay in 1828?
William Hughes was the Flax Dresser but what did a Flax Dresser do?
How do you suppose they travelled fro place to place back then?
These facts an many, many more will be revealed shortly.
Answers on a post card to £$%^&*&*&*£"**.
 D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 20, 2012, 01:39:07 PM
Here it is, Aberconway in 1828.
Click on the link ang hit GO if you need to, then page forward etc.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?pnum=526&zoom=&dn=LUL1001Ttif&fn= (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/pageviewer.asp?pnum=526&zoom=&dn=LUL1001Ttif&fn=)

There probably won't be any more due to the resounding lack of interest shown by everyone.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Fester on September 21, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
I was interested Tosh, and commented previously.... but they go back so far now that I can't think of anything to say!

Thanks though, I enjoy all that social history stuff.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Tosh on September 22, 2012, 11:09:04 AM
Thanks Fester, I would have died for information like this when I was compiling my family tree.
It is nice to have a little encouragement on these things just to show that people are watching and using the stuff.
Tosh
 D)
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: ingriddeleyva@gmail.com on December 07, 2012, 09:14:22 PM
Hello Helig, I am looking for any Weissbeck in Llandudno  and conway ,my grandmother was the youngest of the seven children from Frankfurt  ,growing up in Scarborough,Ive been looking for family in Wales ,we have been back to Frankfurt recently ,please ask any family to e-mail me,Ingrid
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: sunbri on February 13, 2015, 08:04:08 AM
Hi, One of my sister in Laws Susheela Lourie(Ruthin.) asked me to post the underneath re Llandudno traders in 1901 Herbert Tomkinson Printer
    We are the adopted family of Mr
Herbert Tomkinson,printer in Llandudno.One of his daughters a medical
missionary,Sister Ethel Tomkinson adopted a small Indian girl and
brought her home to Llandudno/Colwyn bay around 1919 when she was 3yrs
old.She was mostly brought up by another of Herbert;s daughter,Ida.
Mr Tomkinson was always called Christmas Father by our mother, Monica."
Thanks for the link.



Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: suepp on February 27, 2015, 05:09:38 PM
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Hello Helig, I am looking for any Weissbeck in Llandudno  and conway ,my grandmother was the youngest of the seven children from Frankfurt  ,growing up in Scarborough,Ive been looking for family in Wales ,we have been back to Frankfurt recently ,please ask any family to e-mail me,Ingrid
Elsie Weissbeck married a George F Kerridge in 1922,  - Kerridge was the name of the proprieter of the Alexandra Hotel in 1929. There are a few mentions of this family  on the forum
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Lynne C on October 16, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
 ZXZ recognised a lot of my own ancestors here as traders very interesting thank you

Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Hoosons Corner on June 15, 2017, 04:34:13 PM
Good evening from Northern Cyprus
I am a desendent of the Hooson family. Grocers, chemists etc in Llandudno. In your listings, isn't it Esmor Hooson? The family all lived in Abbey Road.
Best wishes
Carol
Daughter of Mary Brenda Hooson, daughter of Edwin Hooson
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Nemesis on June 15, 2017, 06:20:12 PM
Your relatives must have lived at what is now Holcombe House.
It has had a number of names, including Wilberforce House.
Best Wishes to you too
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: pwelsh1@talk21.com on July 17, 2017, 08:11:31 AM
Dear Tosh,
My family have lived in Llandudno since the late 1860's.

My 95 year old mother keeps asking us if we know anything about a family/trader called Dunbabin who had a small shop on the other side of the road to the current Marks and Spencer. I can remember the Telefusion TV rental shop at about that site.

We would be grateful for any help you can give.

PJW
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Cambrian on July 17, 2017, 08:28:05 AM
In the 1922 guide, a W Dunbabin had the Harrington Hotel (71 Mostyn Street) which was opposite where Telefusion (once Brown's) was.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: pwelsh1@talk21.com on July 17, 2017, 02:56:51 PM
Thank you very much Cambrian!
PJW
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Hoosons Corner on July 17, 2017, 06:55:03 PM
Re Holcombe House
Yes, my great grandparents lived here. I have stayed at the hotel twice over the past couple of years. It has had a few name changes. It was once Bronalt. My grand father Esmor Hooson MPS father of Bill Hooson MPS built a house in Vicarage Rd and named it Bronalt.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: Cambrian on July 18, 2017, 09:34:49 AM
I think "Bronallt" is still called that but the street has now been numbered.  It is Vicarage Avenue rather than Vicarage Road.
Title: Re: Llandudno Traders in 1901
Post by: SteveH on December 29, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
Interesting piece of history in this story.......

Could Meghan Markle's wedding ring be made by Wartski's of Llandudno?


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/could-meghan-markles-wedding-ring-14089919 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/could-meghan-markles-wedding-ring-14089919)

Mosaic on doorstep of Goldsmiths Jewellers, Mostyn Street, Llandudno, formerly Wartski's (Image: North Wales Weekly News)