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Title: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Memran on August 08, 2012, 02:17:51 PM
Hello!

I'd like to start swimming again, as I've not been since the old pool was demolished.

From the published pool timetable, I cannot see any 'public swimming' time which suits my schedule.  The problem for me is that I work from 7am on weekdays, with a 30 minute commute, and have other plans on weekends.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=6464&doc=30251&language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=6464&doc=30251&language=1)

Is the pool not open to the public at all during the blocks of time which are not specifically allocated to public swimming? I suppose I should call the pool and ask directly, but if anyone has first-hand experience, it is usually more informative!
Are there any accommodating hotels within walking distance of the town center which allow public access to their pools?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 08, 2012, 02:51:43 PM
There is very few I'm afraid - I pay a monthly subscription and the only time I can get to go is tomorrow evening.

Interestingly I was in their gym last week, Wednesday I think and I noticed about 7 o clock there was about 2 people in the pool - when I left the gym about 8 there was one lonely swimmer!
Thinking this was unusual as it is normally packed I looked at the timetable and saw that these 2 hours were "Swimming club"

Lonely bloody club with 2 members :o

Fester's always ranting about the pool he may know more.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 08, 2012, 02:54:31 PM
BTW I don't know what swimming club is or how to join it but that might be an option for you as it's on Monday Wednesday Friday. Let us know if you find out. I go Thursdays and it is normally packed full of kids and you can't move
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 08, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
From the web site.

Llandudno Ametur Swimming Club. (not my spelling error)

Monday 6.30-8.30pm
Wednesday 6.30-8.30pm
Friday 6.30-8.30pm

Councillor Brian Bertola has a lot to do with the Swimming Club.  He can be contacted through the Town Clerk or direct to his home number (if you have it).
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 08, 2012, 04:46:04 PM
Memran, because you are off to work and you are busy at the weekends then common sense suggests you are only free to swim midweek after you return home.

Monday Ė you can swim until 6.30pm and there is another one hour session 8.30pm Ė 9.30pm.

Tuesday Ė 6.30pm Ė 7.30pm

Wednesday Ė 8.30pm Ė 9.30pm

Thursday Ė 6.30pm Ė 9.30pm.

Given your difficult circumstances and the fact you are away all day, do you really want to swim for longer then one hour after you get home?

I also suggest you telephone the reception at Llandudno Swimming Club as you may find the Swimming Club has closed down for the Summer school holidays.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2012, 01:42:07 AM
Being a gym member with supposed unlimited swimming included is a complete waste of time, (and money)

The times that Bri has listed for public swimming are meant to be available, but sadly when you actually turn up, they often have an excuse to prevent you using it.
Recently I have arrived to be told;
''sorry, the kids club has taken up the whole pool tonight''
''sorry, there is a swimming gala all day today''
.... and my personal favourite.., ''sorry, we are deep cleaning the pool tonight''

So, the best way forward, if you really want to use that pool, is to NEVER under any circumstances become a member, just turn up clutching a few quid and see if you can swim that night.
At least when you get turned away, you won't be paying for it by direct debit like I do every month.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Memran on August 09, 2012, 08:30:40 AM
Thank you for all your replies  :)

I'll visit the pool on Monday on my way home from work and see if I still remember how to swim!

There is no requirement for me to swim for longer than an hour, but it is quite frustrating that there are such restrictions on the pool's use, requiring rigid scheduling of my time. It has been many years since I went to the old pool, but seem to recall that you could turn up almost whenever you felt like it.

Exercising right after work is a fantastic way to de-stress, and although running or cycling are my favorite activities, it would be great to have a nice indoor swim to add variety, especially when the weather turns sour!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 10, 2012, 01:42:04 AM
It WOULD be nice to swim and de-stress after work.

Sadly, despite my many attempts, I am never so stressed as when I leave that establishment.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 10, 2012, 06:29:30 AM
I can confirm the swimming club is currently on a summer break.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Memran on August 14, 2012, 08:11:29 AM
Well, being honest, it was not at all unpleasant, and I didn't sink!

I think I can manage a regular Monday swim, as that is the most convenient (read: only convenient) time for me.

When I asked about the swimming club, the receptionist told me that they start up again this week.

The pool does seem pretty small, but adequate for my level of swimming.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 14, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
You'll find it a damn sight smaller when its packed with kids on floating mats.... or even worse, unexpectedly closed to you for spurious reasons!

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Tosh on August 14, 2012, 10:11:02 PM
The Chatsworth House Hotel has a really good pool I believe.
Pop in and see if it is still available, just ask at reception.
Tosh
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 21, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
There is a scribbled poster on display in the reception area of Llandudno Swimming Pool,

On close inspection, it transpires that the pool is NOT available to the public, NOR members of the gym, on FOUR out of the next FIVE weekends.

Thats an 80% non-availability rate.   Disgraceful.   &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: ormegolf on September 23, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
Fester----did you happen to notice why? Not rebuilding work surely!! So who are the four groups who are so important?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 23, 2012, 06:50:08 PM
One good thing I have noticed the pool is much quieter now on Thursday nights - you can actually manage to swim a length now  without bumping into hordes of kids trying to drown each other!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 23, 2012, 09:33:45 PM
Mike, I honestly didn't bother reading the detail of why, or who was using the pool.
It was irrelevant really to me, as I just need to know if I can use it or not.

Suffice to say, whoever is talking over the pool is more important than those who PAY for it, in council taxes or gym membership fees..... and I'm sick of it.   :puke2:

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 23, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
From the notice on the CCBC website, I don't think the gym will be closing as well.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/sectionextra.asp?catid=6472 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/sectionextra.asp?catid=6472)

Llandudno Swimming Pool will be closed on the following dates and times

Date / Time Event

Saturday 22nd September - All Day Lane Swimming only in the main pool 07:00 - 10:00

Saturday 6th October - All Day Main Pool / Training Pool
(swimming lessons as normal in Training Pool only)

Saturday 13th & 14th October - All Day Main Pool / Training Pool
(swimming lessons as normal in Training Pool only)

Saturday 20th & 21st October - All Day Main Pool / Training Pool
(swimming lessons as normal in Training Pool only)

Thursday 15th November - 18:30 - 22:00 Main Pool / Training Pool
 
Saturday 24th & 25th November - All Day Main Pool / Training Pool
 




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Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 23, 2012, 10:50:27 PM
So we are no wiser as to why.

The gym won't be affected by the closure, but my point has always been that gym membership was sold to me on the basis of unlimited use of the pool after my training.

That is so far from the truth that it is farcical.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 23, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
Can't you get trading standards on the case if it was wrongly described to you?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 23, 2012, 10:59:25 PM
Some battles are worth fighting, others are a waste of time.

I take your point, but  seriously doubt that CCBC would change their policy based on my complaint.

Although, if it carries on, and I get some spare time..... I just might!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 23, 2012, 11:04:23 PM
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Some battles are worth fighting, others are a waste of time.

I take your point, but  seriously doubt that CCBC would change their policy based on my complaint.

Although, if it carries on, and I get some spare time..... I just might!

That reminds me - they have stopped providing paper towels in the gym now as well (cost cutting device) Instead you have the 'option' to buy a gym towel for four pounds! (You can get them for a pound across the way in Home Bargains. This was after they got rid of their drinking water to 'save money' so you can now either pay £1.50 for a drink from the dispenser or bring your own bottle and fill it up from the toilet - talk about a no frills gym! No wonder it's always dead.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 23, 2012, 11:08:39 PM
I see that Oscar has picked up on this issue.... and it will be interesting to see what comments arise from that media.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 23, 2012, 11:22:57 PM
I remember being in the gym on one of the many Saturdays it was closed and seeing from the window countless excitable families enter downstairs only to come back out again 2 minutes later looking disappointed and angry. Seems like they can't make their mind up whether they want a public or a private competition swimming pool.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: ormegolf on September 24, 2012, 11:21:53 AM
If a private business carried on like that they would be out of business within a year mike
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Memran on September 24, 2012, 03:27:42 PM
I too have been turned away on a number of occasions, even though my copy of the timetable listed the pool as public swimming.

It is not possible to plan for a swim, never mind getting a swim whenever you feel like it.

Somehow I doubt it will make any any difference, but I have put in a complaint at their reception, and also sent off an email to the council.

Wasn't the pool rebuild funded from our council tax? If so, we should have much better access to what we paid for!

I'll probably never go back.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 24, 2012, 11:29:27 PM
Memran, if you do make that decision, make sure you quickly cancel your direct debit.

The gyms of Britain make a fortune from those who never go to the gym but still pay for it!

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 26, 2012, 09:03:43 PM
Maybe the power of complaint does work.... paper towels now back in the gym  D) D) D) D) D) ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on February 11, 2013, 08:25:40 PM
I think this organisation might be the most useless run thing I've come across!

I'm sure Fester will back me up about the many pool closures but they also make some very negligent mistakes.

Today we booked badminton in John Bright's at 7pm - we get there to find we've been 'double booked' sorry nothing we can do if you want to play another time in the week it'll be free (it's already free as I pay a monthly fee!!!)
So we phone up the gym in Junction and ask them if there's anywhere else - yes they say if we head into Conwy now we can play there and they will ring ahead and make sure it's set up for us to arrive in 10 minutes - drive all the way to Conwy and guess what....

It isn't free! There are people playing football in there  :o Apologies again and we can play for free next time  $good$

Wouldn't mind so much but not even the first time it's happened  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on February 11, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
Astonishing. 
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on February 11, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
Given the amount of times I have warned about this, the only surprise I have, is that anyone is surprised.   &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on February 12, 2013, 07:27:25 AM
Get Duncan Ballantine in to run the Leisure Centres!   He'll DRAGON it into the 21st Century. Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Sara on February 27, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
I know some of you lovely people on here use the swimming pool so could I ask a favour please?
My daughter was there earlier this evening and has lost her silver Claddagh ring. It was lost in the changing area and she has been back to have a look round but couldn't find it. The locker she used was in use so she hasn't been able to check if it got left in there. The staff are going to keep an eye out but if anyone is in there in the next day or so please could you look out for it. It's not expensive and a bit battered but has sentimental value. Thanks.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 27, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
We shall be keeping our fingers crossed for you both.  ££$

Please let us know tomorrow if there is good news.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on May 23, 2013, 09:54:52 PM
My nightmare with this ridiculous facility continues.

If you recall, there are only limited times that a Council Tax paying member of the public can use the pool, despite paying a monthly subscription on top of that.
If you work during the day, (in order to earn the money to PAY for this facility) then there are only very few times you can use the pool in the evenings. 

Thursday is the night when it is possible for Joe Public to use the pool.  So I went down there, more in hope than expectation.

Once again it was completely ruined by a massive number of kids (from well outside this area) in two private parties, it was impossible to swim any lengths, or do any swimming at all.
Two local parents took their kids out of the pool in dismay, and said to me that thursday is the only night they could come.

When I complained at reception, there was a queue of local parents who immediately looked disappointed and left.  Some were muttering ''not again''

This facility of ours is being entirely mismanaged, and I also note that the improvements to the Gym area, (which were promised many months ago) have not happened.  &shake& &shake& &shake&

I have written to Peter Aldous, at Conwy Council services, and I have asked some pretty pointed questions.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on May 23, 2013, 10:04:28 PM
Not more mismanagement?!  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on May 23, 2013, 10:56:18 PM
what improvements of the gym are planned? In the 2 and a half odd years I've been using it the only thing they have changed is they got rid of the water dispenser so now you have to fill your bottle from the toilet tap!

Junction gym is 100x better.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 24, 2013, 07:44:12 AM
There was talk of extending it.

I don't like the Junction gym.

I think it is too cramped and the view from the treadmill is boring.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on May 24, 2013, 07:56:47 AM
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I have written to Peter Aldous, at Conwy Council services, and I have asked some pretty pointed questions.

Perhaps it might be worth  making your letter and his response open in the forum? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on May 24, 2013, 07:57:42 AM
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There was talk of extending it.

I don't like the Junction gym.

I think it is too cramped and the view from the treadmill is boring.

the key system is very brilliant and modern as is the jukebox on the screens. Llandudno is far more cramped!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 24, 2013, 08:18:40 AM
The jukebox is only alright when it plays your kind of music.  :rage:

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on January 02, 2014, 03:53:33 PM
Following the excesses of Xmas and NY Eve, I felt that a NY resolution was in order, possibly to save my life.

Yes, a few weeks (possibly) of healthy eating and laying off the beer is in order.
Part of my fitness regime motivated me to pack my gym bag, and set off for a gym and swim.  Of course my CCBC controlled leisure facility will support me in this noble endeavour.

BUT NO!  Thwarted again, I arrived at the Gym/Pool, eagerly clutching my over-priced membership card, to be greeted by locked doors and darkness.
On closer inspection of the opening hours sign on the door, the facility does not get back to normal opening hours until MONDAY 6th JANUARY.  Yet there is no reduced fee for my membership.
I know of no other organisation (outside the public sector) that could or would attempt to get away with this level of service.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on January 02, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
Funnily enough had the exact same problem as you!
Can't go there tomorrow after work as it's only open until 12pm.
Can't play squash in Ysgol John Brights tonight as it's completely closed until Monday

 $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on January 23, 2014, 06:38:04 PM
I didn't think that the situation with Llandudno Swimming Centre could get any worse.... but how wrong I was!

I have just been turned away on the ONLY night of the week that the pool is open to the public.

Every other day it is available (theoretically) to the public until 3.45pm, but that is not much use to those working 'regular' hours.
Thursday it opens from 6.30pm until 9pm.... but tonight there are literally hundreds of teenagers which have been bussed in for some kind of gala.

Smarting from this, I thought OK, I'll come back at the weekend.... BUT WAIT!

A poster in reception, which has been hurriedly written up in black marker pen, informs me that all pools are CLOSED to the public this coming weekend.... AND the weekend after!   Apparently due to swimming galas once again.

So, forgetting my situation, just when are the TAX PAYING, working public supposed to take their kids swimming?

In summary, the next FIVE possible occasions on which a TAX PAYING, WORKING member of the public can use the swimming facility that THEY PAY FOR, are closed off to them.

This has gone way beyond a joke now.     $angry$ $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on January 23, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
Get The Ferret on the job!    $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on January 24, 2014, 09:12:43 AM
Fester:  it might be worthwhile joining one of the private swimming pools.  The situation regarding the council pools does seem unreasonable.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on January 24, 2014, 02:40:38 PM
Get on to Cllr Brian B Bertola, he's the swimming nut on the Town Council!     >>>
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on January 24, 2014, 08:09:11 PM
Thanks Guys.

Ian, I am going to speak to John Hardy, the CCBC head of Llandudno Swimming Centre and other leisure services on Monday.
There are several other issues to discuss with him, including the high percentage of broken gym equipment, (some of which has been waiting for approx 1 month for repair), and the lack of supervision in the gym, (despite signs to the contrary)

Yorkie, let's hope that I don't need to reach those lofty levels, and that Mr Hardy will make some sensible changes. But knowing CCBC, I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on May 29, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
Well, here I go again, clutching my gym kit and swimming cossie.

Off I trot to Llandudno Swimming Centre, as Thursday is the ONLY night of the entire week that Joe Public can use the pool, even though Joe Public's money built it.

I saw the usual signs, telling me that this weekend it will be closed to the public, just as it was last weekend, and several other dates in June.   But that's fine... because I want to swim tonight, as stated in the timetable.
I hand in my card, and say ''one gym session,and swim please''.

But NO!   Thwarted again!
Apparently, a child had been sick in the pool in the early afternoon, and it had been closed for 5 hours since, and would remain closed for the rest of the night.

Incredulously I asked if it was really possible that this MULTI MILLION POUND, state of the art, swimming facility can be entirely stopped in its tracks by a kid being sick?    Did the architects and designers not foresee this possibility?

Surely, that's what those sluice or drain things are for, which are all around every self-respecting swimming pool?

Why can it be closed for this reason?   Of course I got no sensible answer from the poor beleaguered Jobsworth on reception.

People spit out water from time to time whilst swimming, people have even been known to pee in a swimming pool. 
Is this a potential hazard which can de-rail such a huge investment?   Or is it just another ludicrous example of mismanagement, or Health and Safety gone mad?

 :rage: :rage: :rage:

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2014, 07:52:06 AM
It does seem absurd. Presumably, they either have a 'policy' on this, or a rather nervous manager.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on May 30, 2014, 09:49:11 AM
I thought that all those bucket full's of Chlorine were supposed to take care of hygiene problems!    :puke2: :puke2:
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 30, 2014, 10:19:03 AM
The thought of that is exactly why I will never go in a swimming pool!  :o
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on May 30, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
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Well, here I go again, clutching my gym kit and swimming cossie.



 :rage: :rage: :rage:

haha I went there yesterday too - looking forward to a nice relaxing swim to prepare me for my race tonight! I knew you would 'love it', hence why I posted it on your wife's facebook
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on May 30, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
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The thought of that is exactly why I will never go in a swimming pool!  :o

The sea is even worse!    _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 30, 2014, 05:25:10 PM
I would never go in that either, I only go in the shower, that's fine for me!  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
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I only go in the shower, that's fine for me!

Makes the crawl really tricky, though.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 30, 2014, 07:28:47 PM
 _))* although I can swim, the last time was 1985!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on May 30, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
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I would never go in that either, I only go in the shower, that's fine for me!  $good$

A great argument for having one's own private pool in the back garden.  But then you have to ensure your friends are sympathetic to your own ideals!    :o
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Jack on May 30, 2014, 08:45:51 PM
Opening is restricted again for the next few days because of problems with the 'moveable floor' according to CCBC twitter feed.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on May 31, 2014, 12:38:03 AM
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Opening is restricted again for the next few days because of problems with the 'moveable floor' according to CCBC twitter feed.

Ian used the word 'absurd'
Never has a better word been used in association with this badly managed and costly facility.

Actually, I object to the word facility, as that implies something that can be used!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 03, 2014, 11:25:47 PM
Too busy recently to ATTEMPT to use the Gym and Pool, but also remember the Pool has been out of action for several weeks due to the moveable floor not functioning.

So, tonight it was time for me to try again.
To leave nothing to chance I phoned up at 6pm, and clearly said I was looking to use to gym AND the pool,  and I was assured everything was fine.
30 minutes later, I tentatively walked in, handed over my membership card with trepidation.... and wondered what excuse they could dream up this time to prevent me using the facilities for which I so handsomely pay.

I wasn't disappointed!  I was immediately told, 'Sorry Sir, you can't use the gym.... it's been closed to all users, as the air conditioning has not been working, and its Health and Safety!'

Apparently, the gym cannot be used in temperatures over 22 degrees.
After recovering from the shock, I pointed out that it was now much cooler, but the decision had been taken earlier in the day!

To add insult to injury, the girl on reception didn't recall my phonecall, despite admitting it must have been her that took it.

The Duty Manager, bless her, did her best to apologise, and calm me down.... but the over arching issue still remains, that those who PAY (by several means, including taxes, and subscriptions), can rarely make use of these inadequate and badly managed facilities.   It's just not good enough, and it's actually getting worse.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 04, 2014, 08:15:33 AM
Fester, you should have insisted on going into the gym to check the temperature gauge on the left wall just inside the entrance door.

If the AC wasnít working then all the front windows will have been left open so at 6.30pm there is a fair chance the temperature will have substantially dropped especially as the sun will have been at the rear of the building for several hours.

I am also surprised to learn the AC wasnít working because it was being serviced last week when I was in the gym.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 04, 2014, 08:47:07 AM
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I am also surprised to learn the AC wasnít working because it was being serviced last week when I was in the gym.

 _))* _))*

That's probably why it wasn't working :-)))
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: TheMedz on July 04, 2014, 08:53:02 AM
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To add insult to injury, the girl on reception didn't recall my phonecall, despite admitting it must have been her that took it.



Thanks for the heads up Fester. It saved a wasted trip for Mrs Medz today.

The good news is that at least they told Mrs Medz over the phone this morning that the gym was closed. The bad news is that they've no idea how long it's closed for.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 04, 2014, 10:43:10 AM
I'm probably being obtuse, but didn't gyms exist in the UK before air conditioning? I can understand how workouts in high temperatures could be dangerous but isn't there an element of personal responsibility involved?

I find the entire notion of them imposing a blanket shutdown simply because they can't guarantee the temperature and humidity of the place very nannyish.  I'd be inclined to find out the name of the individual who decided that the place has to cease functioning entirely because it might get a tad warmer than usual.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 04, 2014, 05:14:51 PM
I see a Freedom of Information request coming on!   Already got one in regarding Porth Eirias.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 05, 2014, 12:46:01 AM
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I'm probably being obtuse, but didn't gyms exist in the UK before air conditioning? I can understand how workouts in high temperatures could be dangerous but isn't there an element of personal responsibility involved?

I find the entire notion of them imposing a blanket shutdown simply because they can't guarantee the temperature and humidity of the place very nannyish.  I'd be inclined to find out the name of the individual who decided that the place has to cease functioning entirely because it might get a tad warmer than usual.

Yes Ian, the entire purpose of a gym is to get warm... use up calories... and lose weight that way.

To prevent people from doing so, just because the temperature is a little above normal is ludicrous.
They will point to the fact that someone, somewhere in the world once collapsed in gym in high temperatures, and sued the Gym

Well, is it not equally valid for me to sue the gym if I had health complications from being overweight, due to them preventing me from using the facility?
Sounds silly, but it is the exact mirror of what they are doing.

Moreover, they cause me great STRESS each time I visit, by dreaming up new crazy ways to thwart me!   
Stress is a killer I hear?

Don't forget, only recently, they closed the ENTIRE pool for a full day because a child had been sick in it that morning.

I despair of the quality of management in the UK these days, in many walks of life.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 05, 2014, 07:12:57 AM
From what I have understood in the past, many people use the pool as a urinal as they can't be bothered to get out to go to the loo.  Maybe the pool should be closed every time that happens!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 05, 2014, 08:41:25 AM
I just phoned Llandudno Swimming Centre to establish whether or not the gym has reopened.

Unfortunately, the AC has not yet been repaired and Tuesday is when the gym is expected to reopen.

They appear to have abandoned their long-standing practice of opening the windows and turn of the 2 x AC units to save electricity.

If it was still too warm then several portable fans used to be put out on the window shelf.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on July 07, 2014, 12:19:54 PM
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I just phoned Llandudno Swimming Centre to establish whether or not the gym has reopened.

Unfortunately, the AC has not yet been repaired and Tuesday is when the gym is expected to reopen.

They appear to have abandoned their long-standing practice of opening the windows and turn of the 2 x AC units to save electricity.

If it was still too warm then several portable fans used to be put out on the window shelf.

I've been there several times with the windows open and no AC. What are the staff doing whilst the gym is closed? Having a holiday?  8)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 07, 2014, 12:57:39 PM
It is just one long holiday working in the leisure department!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 07, 2014, 01:22:03 PM
I have just phoned and established the new part for the AC has not yet arrived so the gym will not be opening tomorrow, as posted by me last Friday morning.


Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on July 07, 2014, 04:09:46 PM
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I have just phoned and established the new part for the AC has not yet arrived so the gym will not be opening tomorrow, as posted by me last Friday morning.

 L0L

Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 07, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
It must be some s****e company that CCBC have employed to supply maintenance to such an important building!

Someone needs firing for incompetance in negotiating the contract.     WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: norman08 on July 07, 2014, 05:28:34 PM
So this wonderfull swimming pool /gym us taxpayers helped to build has never been open to the public properly , always something wrong ,and I bet nobody will get a discount next tear on the membership    _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 07, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
A good point Norm, Yorkie, and thanks for the update Bri.   It really is shoddy and unacceptable.

I have been banging on about this for a couple of years now, but the place has became a laughing stock.
I asked the duty manager 2 things.

1.  Was she not embarrassed or ashamed to be associated with it?

2,  Did they not negotiate some kind of penalty clause with the A/C company?  Just in case CCBC had to reimburse some members?   Of course the answer was NO,  as I suppose this would have required some degree of common sense management.

 &shake& &shake& &shake& &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 08, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
I'd be more interested in the precise reasoning behind the closure.  I'm still trying to comprehend why a gym in Llandudno - where the mean temperature is consistently lower in summer and higher in winter than most of the UK - can't simply open the windows and allow members to make informed choices. The only remote possibility I can imagine is the swimming pool's proximity elevates the humidity to dangerous levels, which is why no one is allowed to do anything strenuous outdoors in Hawaii...
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 08, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Ian, I suggest you send an e-mail to the Swimming Centre Manager and ask him.

Peter.Aldous@conwy.gov.uk

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 08, 2014, 08:56:28 AM
I've done that and will await a response.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 08, 2014, 09:03:37 AM
I'll get you a calendar so you can keep accurate time on how long it takes!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 08, 2014, 09:16:04 AM
 :( :( :(
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on July 08, 2014, 12:00:57 PM
Did you ask why couldn't they open the window? ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 08, 2014, 11:33:33 PM
I emailed him too.... but we are going to have a long wait,  see below.

Sorry, I am out of the office until Monday 21st July, 2014. Should you require anything urgent, please contact either, Natalie Roberts, Daniel Dunkerley or Olwen Catherall on 01492 575900
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 09, 2014, 08:15:57 AM
Ask Ian to put it on the Calender!     _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 09, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
The gym is open again.

and all six windows were open when I passed.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 09, 2014, 05:21:34 PM
It'll be interesting to learn if the A/C was actually working with the windows open. 
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 09, 2014, 05:54:19 PM
According to a member of staff I spoke to outside the centre, it seems the AC has been fixed this morning.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 09, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
Interesting.  If they operated the A/C with open windows that's exactly the same as running your central heating on full with all the doors and windows open.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 09, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
I cannot understand why the windows were not closed and locked.

If they are not then some patrons will always open a window in the hope of finding a cool breeze.

The gym windows are east facing and have full-length blinds that can close right across the windows.

Before the gym is closed tonight, all the blinds ought to be closed in order to keep the gym cool for when it reopens tomorrow morning, especially as it is forecast to be another hot day.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on July 09, 2014, 09:16:29 PM
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Interesting.  If they operated the A/C with open windows that's exactly the same as running your central heating on full with all the doors and windows open.
I think perhaps a better analogy is that of a fridge with the door left open. The most common cause of AC failure is overloading it by leaving a door or window wedged open.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: suepp on July 09, 2014, 09:23:26 PM
just a quick question, is the pool itself easily accessible by ramp, or does it just have steps?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 09, 2014, 09:55:19 PM
I haven't used the pool for a couple of years but I seem to remember the training pool and the main pool are both accessible by steps.

However, there was something there to assist the physically disabled to get in and get out but I cannot remember much about it.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 10, 2014, 11:42:59 PM
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I haven't used the pool for a couple of years but I seem to remember the training pool and the main pool are both accessible by steps.

However, there was something there to assist the physically disabled to get in and get out but I cannot remember much about it.

Yeah,  there is a crane / hoist type device to allow disabled people to be lowered in.

There is no easy ramp style access to the Pool, not that I am aware of.

However, there is a flat walkway from the reception to the poolside itself, if that's what SDQ was meaning?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on July 11, 2014, 08:07:20 AM
Does anyone knoe if Llandudno, or any other of the Three Towns, has a Water Polo Team?    <:> <:>
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on July 24, 2014, 07:14:37 AM
I have had a response to my query, and re-print it here in full:

" I appreciate your concerns regarding the problems we encountered with our Air Conditioning which unfortunately led to the temporary closure of our Fitness Suite
In reply to your query I would like to offer the following response:
 
In what way does an A/C failure prevent the Gymnasium facilities from being used?

When the air conditioning units fail we are unable to regulate the air temperature within our facilities. We appreciate these closures caused some inconvenience to our members / clients but the decision was taken on the advice of industry recommendations along with two incidents when customers had experienced an adverse reaction (fainting) to these high temperatures. Due to the close proximity of the fitness suite to the swimming pool, Llandudno in particular experienced temperatures close to 30įC
 
 
Who is responsible for determining the criteria behind the closure?

A.  Conwy County (Active & Creative Lifestyles) based on the information above made the decision to close our Fitness Suites.
 
What are those criteria?

A.  The air temperature within our facilities should be maintained around 20įC
 
Can I finish by apologising for any inconvenience these closures have caused and I would hope that in the future we would not experience air conditioning malfunctions at all our facilities during a similar, warm period of the year.
 
Kind Regards
Peter"

And we still don't know 'who' made the decision to close - only the department in question.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2014, 01:29:15 AM
I too have received a very professional response from my query, and despite Peter disputing my attempted attendance figures, I can overlook that, in view of the offer he made me in lieu of my membership fees.

I intend to reply and accept his kind offer, but not until I sober up.

I just hope that I can actually USE the facilities in future, which is all I ever wanted!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on July 28, 2014, 04:35:05 PM
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I too have received a very professional response from my query, and despite Peter disputing my attempted attendance figures, I can overlook that, in view of the offer he made me in lieu of my membership fees.

I intend to reply and accept his kind offer, but not until I sober up.

I just hope that I can actually USE the facilities in future, which is all I ever wanted!

What is this offer??  >>>
Surely if they refund yours, ie the loudest and most brash they should refund everyone's who was inconvenienced - ie MINE  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on July 29, 2014, 01:27:14 AM
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I too have received a very professional response from my query, and despite Peter disputing my attempted attendance figures, I can overlook that, in view of the offer he made me in lieu of my membership fees.

I intend to reply and accept his kind offer, but not until I sober up.

I just hope that I can actually USE the facilities in future, which is all I ever wanted!

What is this offer??  >>>
Surely if they refund yours, ie the loudest and most brash they should refund everyone's who was inconvenienced - ie MINE  D)

You don't ask, you don't get.......  I asked, I got.

It's not a refund anyway,  where did I say it was?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 05, 2014, 12:05:30 PM
Anyone else here about the inappropriate behaviour of a couple in the swimming pool?

I will type it here and asterix out the unsuitable words

"My 12 year old daughter just said 'dad what are they doing' referring to an elderly pakastani couple in the shallow end at llandudno swimming pool... i put my goggles and look under and yes.. he was ***************** (you can guess the rest it goes into a bit of detail) fuming to think my family and everyone else is swimming amongs personal body fluids ad filth"

then says reported and the bottom half of the post I couldn't see.

It's on facebook so make of it what you will, may be a load of rubbish but who knows
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on August 05, 2014, 12:14:31 PM
What is the relevance to the story of them being Pakistani?  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 05, 2014, 12:34:02 PM
None at all, I just posted it verbatim.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 05, 2014, 12:50:25 PM
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None at all, I just posted it verbatim.

I don't see any harm in the nationality of the activists being mentioned.  Almost every item of news in any Media nowadays, mentions race and religion seemingly for some purpose of identification.   The use in what BtR quoted is quite justified and, to my mind, should not be found objectionable.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on August 05, 2014, 12:55:31 PM
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None at all, I just posted it verbatim.

I don't see any harm in the nationality of the activists being mentioned.  Almost every item of news in any Media nowadays, mentions race and religion seemingly for some purpose of identification.   The use in what BtR quoted is quite justified and, to my mind, should not be found objectionable.
 ZXZ
I asked what the relevance of mentioning their racial origin was? As far as I can see, it serves no purpose other than as a piece of casual racism.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 05, 2014, 01:25:01 PM
I agree with Dave, other than the fact it might have been used to identify them. I.E did anyone else see
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 05, 2014, 01:47:42 PM
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None at all, I just posted it verbatim.

I don't see any harm in the nationality of the activists being mentioned.  Almost every item of news in any Media nowadays, mentions race and religion seemingly for some purpose of identification.   The use in what BtR quoted is quite justified and, to my mind, should not be found objectionable.
 ZXZ
I asked what the relevance of mentioning their racial origin was? As far as I can see, it serves no purpose other than as a piece of casual racism.

Yes, I read your comment, and also BtR's reply, I was just adding to the thread by airing my feeling.   I said nothing about racial matters, and have no intention of so doing.  There is more than enough aggro to satisfy the whole of North Wales on other Social Media sites and Blogs.   This one, fortunately, is one of the more pleasant ones.   Long may it remain so!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: craigollerton on August 05, 2014, 06:31:19 PM
Sadly we live in a world of such 'political correctness' now and have to watch what we say for people take offence so easily. No gollywogs on my Robertsons Marmalade anymore :( and that is a terrible shame.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 05, 2014, 07:33:16 PM
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Sadly we live in a world of such 'political correctness' now and have to watch what we say for people take offence so easily. No gollywogs on my Robertsons Marmalade anymore :( and that is a terrible shame.

Well, of course it is the politicians once again deciding that humans are not humans anymore!  They want to rule every minute of our existence with all the petty laws about do this, don't do that etc.   If the couple in the pool had bern Welsh or English would any Welshman or Englishman have complained about the nationality being mentioned.  I don't think so, but we do find Welsh and English complaining that we use the word Pakistani or that N word that even the N's use themselves!

It is maybe about time I asked for all my bills from the council to be in YorkshireDutch!    ZXZ
Or as a compromise I'll accept Cockney!    Z**
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: craigollerton on August 05, 2014, 07:49:33 PM
_))* YorkshireDutch, good luck with that :)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: ormegolf on August 05, 2014, 09:51:55 PM
   Right off the topic, but two posts back I agree 100 percent with Yorkie.
   A year or so ago a top lady politician apologised for using the word Jap to describe some Japanese.
   I was horrified and disgusted. Not about her using the word. Oh no, I was horrified and disgusted that she found it necessary to apologise. And to the bloody japs of all people.
   What the hell is wrong. Americans are proud to be called Yanks, Irish Paddies, Welsh taffies etc etc. So what is so ultra special about the Japs? Even the French dont get too uptight at being called frogs
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 06, 2014, 12:41:36 AM
 
I asked what the relevance of mentioning their racial origin was? As far as I can see, it serves no purpose other than as a piece of casual racism.


Casual eh? 

I would like to see the use of Racism on this Forum more formalised please.   :laugh:

Incidentally B2R,  in all my time of attending Llandudno Pool, I have never found the behaviour of any of the staff ''appropriate'' towards me... so why should this be a surprise?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2014, 07:14:37 AM
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A year or so ago a top lady politician apologised for using the word Jap to describe some Japanese.

Can you remember who she was, Mike? I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.

On the issue side, if she was a minster in the Foreign office, then it might not have gone down too well with our trade partners if she was calling the French Frogs, the Germans Krauts and the Australians a load of Dingo s******g, beer swilling sheep f*****s. Just saying.

 ))*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 07:35:02 AM
OK, so you got a key on your computer that prints a little star!  I got one that makes a square #!   :D
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2014, 07:47:45 AM
 WWW WWW WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on August 06, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
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If the couple in the pool had bern Welsh or English would any Welshman or Englishman have complained about the nationality being mentioned.  I don't think so, but we do find Welsh and English complaining that we use the word Pakistani or that N word that even the N's use themselves!
But...the nationality wouldn't have been mentioned if they had been Welsh or English, that's the point. Why does it need to be mentioned because they are Pakistani? Obviously, it doesn't, it's just a attempt to cast a racial slur because the story is a negative one.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 06, 2014, 09:39:05 AM
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A year or so ago a top lady politician apologised for using the word Jap to describe some Japanese.

Can you remember who she was, Mike? I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.

On the issue side, if she was a minster in the Foreign office, then it might not have gone down too well with our trade partners if she was calling the French Frogs, the Germans Krauts and the Australians a load of Dingo s******g, beer swilling sheep f*****s. Just saying.

 ))*

I don't think it would be acceptable to shorten the nationality Pakistani.....
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 10:19:17 AM
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But...the nationality wouldn't have been mentioned if they had been Welsh or English, that's the point. Why does it need to be mentioned because they are Pakistani? Obviously, it doesn't, it's just a attempt to cast a racial slur because the story is a negative one.

I agree, MAYBE the nationality would not have been mentioned but there is little doubt that it would have identified the people by some tag. . . .  Couple from ..here insert anty town or location you wish.   The public need such information and that is why the media tell them.  A couple on its own says nothing, there has to be another form of identification for the public to feel either associated (good things) or remote (bad things).  Pure pschycology!
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2014, 10:35:09 AM
The minute I saw the quote about inappropriate behaviour in the Llandudno swimming pool I was suspicious on several counts so on visiting today I asked had there been any reported incidents and the answer was no. I told them I had read something on a local forum which quoted Facebook and they said they were aware of the matter and it was in the hands of the police.
I think anyone who quotes someone else's posting without adding a link is in danger of being seen as the originator of that information even if they say they don't know if it's true. They themselves might be found guilty of publishing racist,ageist and malicious gossip don't you think ?
Incidentally, I find the swimming pool an extremely good local facility which is well run and well supervised. There are always two lifeguards keeping an eye on the well being of everyone in the main pool.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 07, 2014, 11:30:57 PM
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They themselves might be found guilty of publishing racist,ageist and malicious gossip don't you think ?
Incidentally, I find the swimming pool an extremely good local facility which is well run and well supervised. There are always two lifeguards keeping an eye on the well being of everyone in the main pool.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:      ....... ON SO MANY LEVELS.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
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They themselves might be found guilty of publishing racist,ageist and malicious gossip don't you think ?
Incidentally, I find the swimming pool an extremely good local facility which is well run and well supervised. There are always two lifeguards keeping an eye on the well being of everyone in the main pool.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:      ....... ON SO MANY LEVELS.

Shame you aren't prepared to share your perceived wisdom on any level. You appear to have personal issues that need resolving re the pool and the gym ( the latter wasn't included in my appraisal of the pool) so maybe you might like to comment on the alleged Facebook comment and the fact that an extract was posted on this forum which has no direct source and therefore could in fact be attributed to the person who posted it. I don't think that is the case but it does question who becomes responsible if it's deemed that the post was intended as being a malicious attempt to bring the reputation of something or someone in to disrepute and in doing so also attempts to stir up feeling of ill will towards race and age.
Incidentally as a person of pensionable age I am entitled to use the pool all day everyday for a nominal sum. Must be annoying to those hard working souls who can't find an opportunity to do likewise.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2014, 12:55:43 AM
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Shame you aren't prepared to share your perceived wisdom on any level. You appear to have personal issues that need resolving re the pool and the gym .
Incidentally as a person of pensionable age I am entitled to use the pool all day everyday for a nominal sum. Must be annoying to those hard working souls who can't find an opportunity to do likewise.

Point 1,  I have shared my thoughts on this subject ad nauseum on this thread.... I created it, so feel free to look back and read it.

Point 2,    Yes... that really does hack me off,  I work,  pay for my my membership, and STILL can't use the facility.

Nothing personal at all,  I just hate not getting what I pay for in life,  don't you?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2014, 10:43:49 AM
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Shame you aren't prepared to share your perceived wisdom on any level. You appear to have personal issues that need resolving re the pool and the gym .
Incidentally as a person of pensionable age I am entitled to use the pool all day everyday for a nominal sum. Must be annoying to those hard working souls who can't find an opportunity to do likewise.

Point 1,  I have shared my thoughts on this subject ad nauseum on this thread.... I created it, so feel free to look back and read it.

Point 2,    Yes... that really does hack me off,  I work,  pay for my my membership, and STILL can't use the facility.

Nothing personal at all,  I just hate not getting what I pay for in life,  don't you?

Thanks for that in depth multi level response which avoided my question. It's pretty obvious that you have ill feeling towards the swimming pool/gym facility which I acknowledged because I had already read the whole thread and have a sympathetic view of your position. I didn't realise that you had changed your pseudonym from Memram to Fester though and here's me thinking you had adopted the name of a fictitious character from the Adam's Family when in reality it's possibly a reflection of your state of mind.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 09, 2014, 10:58:46 AM
Dear Dave, Your verbosoity is only exceeded by your ignorance.
Your type of comment and attitude to other Members of the Forum is not appreciated or wanted.  I, probably backed by others, would like you to take your vehement language elsewhere.  There is no place for it on this Forum.
 $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2014, 11:15:49 AM
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Dear Dave, Your verbosoity is only exceeded by your ignorance.
Your type of comment and attitude to other Members of the Forum is not appreciated or wanted.  I, probably backed by others, would like you to take your vehement language elsewhere.  There is no place for it on this Forum.
 $angry$

It's an interesting response. I must admit that I was surprised to see how many people read this forum compared to how many contribute. Perhaps it's because of the very attitude you are showing in this response, there are a minority who tend to express their views and no one should disagree.
Personal attacks are not pleasant and unwelcome.
Festers reply to my comments was , in my opinion, arrogant and dismissive. So are yours.
I personally find the pool facility to be very good, well supervised and available when it suits me to use it.
I suspect that someone has deliberately planted a story that is an attempt to sully the reputation of that establishment bringing in as many negative factors to strike a cord with those who have similar feelings. May I ask what is wrong with expressing that concern ?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 09, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
Nothing against you expressing an opinion, but personal attacks are another matter.   WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
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Nothing against you expressing an opinion, but personal attacks are another matter.   WWW

100% agree.
The only question is, who pulled the trigger first ?
Let's leave it at that and move on.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 09, 2014, 01:22:48 PM
Maybe the one receiving the discharge should just bite the bullet!   WWW
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2014, 02:13:26 PM
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Maybe the one receiving the discharge should just bite the bullet!   WWW
That's a superb answer... and that is definitely my parting shot on the matter :-*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Big Alan on August 09, 2014, 06:42:33 PM
Last time I posted, yorkie (small y), got it removed. I met Fester the other week, sound fella, nice to meet you mate. We'll pop in again on our next visit.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: white rabbit on August 09, 2014, 08:01:17 PM
I rarely post on this forum but this has just annoyed me - you sound like a load of fishwives ;)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2014, 10:26:39 PM
Big Al....  nice to meet you, and your good lady too!   

Yorkie / Dave.....  did I miss something?

Dave,  I simply didn't reply in depth because I have done the subject to death on here, over the last couple of years.
I merely didn't fancy re-iterating the whole lot.        I have real frustrations at the swim centre, and the gym too.
I was also posting at after 1am,  and that is WAY too late for me to be going over old ground.
I must confess though, I have no idea what your references to Memran or my 'State of Mind' mean...

Yorkie,  thanks for piling in....  perhaps you grasped what Dave was going on about better than I did?
But I wonder is if any posts have been edited or deleted. because I can't see THAT much that is confrontational?

Frosty maybe?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: SDQ on August 10, 2014, 05:41:52 AM
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Big Al....  nice to meet you, and your good lady too!   

Yorkie / Dave.....  did I miss something?
But I wonder is if any posts have been edited or deleted. because I can't see THAT much that is confrontational?



A couple of posts are in a different part of the site Mr F.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on August 10, 2014, 08:32:13 AM
I'm sure Dave will correct me if I'm wrong, F, but it might have been this which started it:

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There are always two lifeguards keeping an eye on the well being of everyone in the main pool.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:      ....... ON SO MANY LEVELS.

I wasn't sure what you meant but assumed it was an aside which might have related to an earlier observation which I'd forgotten.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 10, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
No Ian,  my 'laughing' response was in relation to the comment about what an EXCELLENT and WELL MANAGED facility the Swimming Centre is.   
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Yorkie on August 11, 2014, 07:06:26 AM
Not quite as well managed and run s Porth Eirias though!   _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 11, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
Dave, I mentioned the post I'd seen on facebook here with the caviet "It's on facebook so make of it what you will, may be a load of rubbish but who knows"

I never said it was 100% true, a lot of things on facebook aren't. But it looked genuine enough and had been shared several times.
I can assure you it wasn't an attempt by me to 'sully' the swimming pool or its management in any way. I don't have any particular problem with the swimming pool although I do agree it should be open to the public more
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on August 11, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
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I didn't realise that you had changed your pseudonym from Memram to Fester though and here's me thinking you had adopted the name of a fictitious character from the Adam's Family when in reality it's possibly a reflection of your state of mind.
Just to point out that Memram is not the same user as Fester, they are two separate individuals.

 Y^^Y
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on August 11, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
To be fair to Fester he has always been Fester never wanted to be anyone else and certainly nobody else would want to be him _))*
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on August 11, 2014, 09:30:32 PM
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To be fair to Fester he has always been Fester never wanted to be anyone else and certainly nobody else would want to be him _))*

B2R,  I have a sneaking feeling that YOU would like to be me.
If only to win more darts matches, and possibly a game of Scrabble once in your life?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 04, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
New Swimming Timetable.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on September 04, 2017, 01:09:59 PM
I wonder why they can't find someone with basic literacy to compose these notices?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 04, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
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I wonder why they can't find someone with basic literacy to compose these notices?

I'm more concerned about why they think I shouldn't be swimming around kids?
When I've finished in the gym, at whatever time of the evening, it's always full of kids.
I imagine that they will still be there in prolific numbers outside that new 'exclusion period'
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 04, 2017, 07:32:05 PM
Fester, I believe because there are always two lifeguards on duty at the main pool then the closing down of a middle lane could have been trialled first before making this decision.

Fortunately, I haven't used the pool for a few years so, thankfully, it won't affect me.

P.S. - Nobody seems to have considered those using the gym in the mornings and wanting to go down and shower before they go home.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on September 05, 2017, 07:21:39 AM
It's the usual, knee-jerk reaction to an almost non-existent threat, possibly sparked becuse someone new in the council offices has suggested they could be sued if anything untoward happened.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 13, 2017, 06:18:30 PM
It seems implementation of the new timetable has been delayed until Monday, 25 September.

However, complaints are already being raised according to today's Pioneer.



Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 14, 2017, 01:52:32 AM
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It seems implementation of the new timetable has been delayed until Monday, 25 September.

However, complaints are already being raised according to today's Pioneer.

Local paedophiles feeling hard done by are they?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 14, 2017, 02:47:54 AM
No, Fester. It is more or less on the same lines as to what Ian is saying above.

It also asks when schoolchildren are taken on a school trip to Conwy Castle, do they insist Cadw close the castle to the general public?

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2017, 07:58:06 AM
And considering the number of times we see crocodiles of primary-age kids on school trips in June and July, why they don't close down Mostyn St. 
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 14, 2017, 03:58:49 PM
There were about 100 visiting primary school children in the sea by the lifeboat slipway this afternoon and the promenade remained open.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 15, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
The previous  timetable leaflet has been withdrawn and a revised timetable leaflet is now available at reception providing an explanation behind the controversial decision.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 17, 2017, 06:19:10 AM
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/home/2017/09/15/gallery/children-only-swimming-pool-decision-at-llandudno-comes-under-fire-95345/ (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/home/2017/09/15/gallery/children-only-swimming-pool-decision-at-llandudno-comes-under-fire-95345/)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: SteveH on September 17, 2017, 11:09:43 AM
Here is the DP article....

The last paragraph might explain the reason for the changes.....

"As the project will result in significantly larger swimming class sizes the centre will be unable to operate the schoolís programme alongside general public access."

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-half-children-conwy-county-13630417 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-half-children-conwy-county-13630417)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 17, 2017, 12:02:05 PM
Mari Jones of the Daily Post doesn't explain why?

The swimming pool has eight lanes.

Historically, the primary schools have always used the two lanes on the far side.

The remaining six lanes have always been available to the general public.

To date, there has not been any information on how many extra lanes will be used by school children from Monday, 25 September.

Nor is there any evidence to confirm that both mornings and afternoons have already been considered to minimise disruption.

Btw, I have just returned from the gym there and the swimming pool is closed today as a result of an electrical fault.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 17, 2017, 02:05:54 PM
You've saved me the trouble of setting off down Bri.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: TheMedz on September 18, 2017, 08:29:23 AM
Plenty of Weekend Swimming galas coming up as well so those dates are also unavailable.




Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on September 18, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
The Pool was closed yesterday due to an electrical fault. Is the place ever open these days?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on September 18, 2017, 03:11:57 PM
The row continues unabated.  It's pretty well indefensible, the approach they're taking. And, since the Pool is a council facility, council tax payers have an access right which, I would suspect, could be challenged in court. Certainly someone needs to take them on over this. It seems they largely do whatever they want with little or no accountability.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 18, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
For me, apart from the chronic lack of access to the pool already, there are two further issues.

1, The inference that any adult customers are a potential threat to children.

2, Creating this unnatural environment makes children grow up believing that adults are to be avoided, and segregation is a correct way to exist.   
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on September 18, 2017, 05:01:08 PM
It would be intriguing to know the name of the person who has advised them that this is the correct approach.  I'll be very surprised it it's a social worker or anyone who really knows what they're talking about.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 25, 2017, 11:41:54 AM
The revised timetable commenced this morning.

I have just returned from the gym and noticed the changing rooms are also closed to the general public this morning, which is likely to upset those who normally like to shower after using the gym.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 25, 2017, 12:04:04 PM
Where do people get changed in the first place to go to the gym if there are no changing rooms?

This is more than ridiculous now, you can't run a gym without changing facilities.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 25, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
I've tackled it with CCBC head of service directly today.
It's a shocking piece of mismanagement, and they are on dodgy ground in many respects.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 25, 2017, 01:47:20 PM
Fester, there is also an updated schedule up on the noticeboard in the gym for all the exercise referral classes held in there during the mornings Monday - Friday.

There must be at least a dozen one hour sessions.

It seems that both the swimming pool and the gym are fast becoming no go areas in the mornings midweek for the general public.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 25, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
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I've tackled it with CCBC head of service directly today.
It's a shocking piece of mismanagement, and they are on dodgy ground in many respects.

Careful it's your 'tackle' they want to keep out of the building  :laugh: ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 25, 2017, 03:40:08 PM
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I've tackled it with CCBC head of service directly today.
It's a shocking piece of mismanagement, and they are on dodgy ground in many respects.

Careful it's your 'tackle' they want to keep out of the building  :laugh: ££$

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: DaveR on September 26, 2017, 08:24:37 AM
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Fester, there is also an updated schedule up on the noticeboard in the gym for all the exercise referral classes held in there during the mornings Monday - Friday.

There must be at least a dozen one hour sessions.

It seems that both the swimming pool and the gym are fast becoming no go areas in the mornings midweek for the general public.
It would seem that the people whose taxes pay for the facility are not wanted in it!  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 26, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
Just returned from the gym and noticed a new notice on the exit door.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 26, 2017, 12:19:44 PM
Fair play to them for getting one of the school kids to write the notice as well  $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 26, 2017, 01:32:10 PM
Also hear that gym goers are being directed to use the disabled toilet to get changed. How is a disabled person supposed to use the toilet if there's a queue of gym heads getting changed in there?! Now given that disability is a protected characteristic if any disabled customers (or staff) feel like getting a lawyer and suing this tin pot of an outfit for discrimination they'd be $$$$$$ in  ££$
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on September 26, 2017, 04:05:33 PM
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Fair play to them for getting one of the school kids to write the notice as well  $good$

Well, that does go to indicate the intellectual level of the management. That is almost unbelievable for a Council department but, then again, perhaps not for this one...  Z@@
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 26, 2017, 05:38:48 PM
At the foot of the notice, Ian, one should reasonably expect to see a name, job title and date on CCBC/Ffit Conwy stationery.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: born2run on September 27, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
The original pic misses it but if you would have been able to scroll down on the left hand side it says "Stacie aged 8 and a half, Ysgol Tudno"
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 28, 2017, 01:18:21 PM
I emailed CCBC head of service, responsible for this facility.
He has not responded after 4 days, despite me sending a reminder.

These 'public servants' seem to have forgotten that they work for us, and WE pay their wages!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 28, 2017, 02:11:01 PM
I came out of the gym this morning around 10.30am.

Half the swimming pool, let us call it the deep end, was not in use.

Of the eight lanes, three lanes on the far side were being used and so were the two lanes nearest me thus leaving the three middle lanes empty.

I calculated that one third of the swimming pool was in use by school children whilst two thirds was not.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 28, 2017, 02:36:03 PM
Bri, given the small number of kids actually in the pool, and assuming you were not allowed to change or shower...
I must conclude that there were 6287 kids in the changing rooms. (or part thereof)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 29, 2017, 05:09:55 PM
You couldn't make this up..

I've had a reply from CCBC Head of Service about the mismanagement of this pool / changing room situation.
It was quite long, and it didn't say anything we didn't already know, 'swimming targets to be met', 'difficult decisions ' etc...
But my favourite bit was the kind offer of compensation, as follows.

 'customers who feel they will be disadvantaged by this decision will be offered the option of cancelling their membership'

What an offer!

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 30, 2017, 01:04:28 PM
The reply you received, Fester, from the Head of Service at CCBC is both surprising and disappointing.

The second leaflet I picked up from reception clearly describes this as a pilot exercise in which case you ought to be thanked for taking the time to provide your customer feedback.

Constructive feedback from its paying customers should be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on September 30, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
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The reply you received, Fester, from the Head of Service at CCBC is both surprising and disappointing.

The second leaflet I picked up from reception clearly describes this as a pilot exercise in which case you ought to be thanked for taking the time to provide your customer feedback.

Constructive feedback from its paying customers should be taken seriously.

Bri, disappointing yes..... surprising, certainly not.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Ian on October 01, 2017, 09:00:45 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 23, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
It will be half term next week so the swimming pool will be open to the general public in the mornings.

However, the schools will not be using the swimming pool this week either.

A bilingual announcement to that effect is on an easel in the reception area.

I have just returned from the gym and I can report the swimming pool is absolutely empty.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Fester on October 23, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
I did gym and swim yesterday Bri, it was rammed.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 23, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
I can believe it, Fester.

I just hope a few members of the general public read this thread and begin to use the swimming pool again this week and next.

Otherwise, service users will be hard pressed to find the good news buried on the CCBC  website.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/en/Resident/Leisure-sport-and-health/Swimming-and-Activities/Swimming-Pool-Timetables/Llandudno-Swimming-Pool/Main-Pool.aspx (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/en/Resident/Leisure-sport-and-health/Swimming-and-Activities/Swimming-Pool-Timetables/Llandudno-Swimming-Pool/Main-Pool.aspx)
Title: Re: CCBC costs and cutting
Post by: born2run on January 04, 2018, 12:16:50 PM
I can't find the thread Fester started about Llandudno Swimming pool (where is that btw)

But the laughs keep on coming - visited for first time in a while yesterday and saw a notice advertising that henceforth there will be a 20p fee for keeping items in lockers - due to the "cost of maintaining lockers"  visitors were welcome to leave there stuff in a locker without locking it (oxymoron) but it would be left at "the owners own risk"

So for any petty criminals on the look out for some fun Llandudno Swim centre is the place to be!

What WILL happen though is that people will take their bags and clothes into the gym (and swimming pool area) where they can keep an eye on them, thus creating housekeeping and health and safety issues.

It may not be this week, this month, or even this year but sooner or later someone will trip over one of those bags and smash their head into the floor. Then they will sue CCBC and their cost cutting brainwave will have had the opposite effect and cost them a lot of $$$$  $good$

On another note how does one go about getting a job with these numpties? I could think of cost cutting ideas just as clever!

1 - We are no longer having flushing toilets as the water cost is too much to maintain - customers are encouraged to bring their own litter trays or do their business in the bushes outside - however doing toilets outside is at the customer's own risk as Kingdom Security may literally catch you with your trousers down, and issue a fine

2 - We are no longer having lifeguards as the cost of lifeguards is too much to maintain. Blow up rubber rings are available to purchase for £5 from reception or else customers can choose to drown at their own risk

3 - We are no longer having weights in the gym as the cost of weights in the gym is too much to maintain. Customers are urged to lift each other up instead, however anyone lifting Fester does so at their own risk.

Have I got the job  D)
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on January 09, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Just to put this in another perspective and in case people think I'm a moaning old goat. The Junction leisure site is run really well! The staff couldn't be better and rather than constant 'cost cutting' they've just got in a brand new video jukebox with every song anyone could ever think of on it  D)

How can the two be so different when they are under the same authority? Manager trying to impress by pinching pennies and getting over involved at Llandudno I think.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 09, 2018, 04:16:39 PM
Iím glad I donít go to your Gym then, with all that crappy Irish music that you like, blaring out everywhere.
Iíll stay at my inept, badly managed joke of a gym thanks.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on January 09, 2018, 04:21:49 PM
Well when I was in there the other day - they had BBC news on TV one side of the room and Smash hits TV or some other pile of rubbish on the other side. Both were turned up to the same sound level so it sounded like some kind of news/pop mash up by Paul Hardcastle or something similar!

Also lockers are free in Junction  $good$

Apart from Llandudno swimming pool I have never seen any other complex charge for using a locker by the way. Not even Pontins where they charge extra for such luxuries as bedding and electricity!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
I imagine the overheads at the swimming pool far exceed those at the Junction and each location has a budget they have to work within. I also imagine that a large proportion of the people using the Junction don't use the changing facilities, instead jumping in to the car and going home to get showered and changed. Can't do that when you have been in the swimming pool!
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on January 10, 2018, 08:54:25 AM
So do you think a locker charge is an acceptable way to deal it? It will lead to crime and will lead to health and safety issues surely that is going to be a bigger problem in the long run
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 10, 2018, 04:08:46 PM
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So do you think a locker charge is an acceptable way to deal it? It will lead to crime and will lead to health and safety issues surely that is going to be a bigger problem in the long run

Theyíre still free at the moment at LLSC
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on January 10, 2018, 04:27:43 PM
Well they won't be soon! As there is a sign that says they will be soon be charging 20p per locker per use.

somebody should put you in a locker
Title: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 11, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
The main pool was busy over Xmas in the mornings with the general public taking advantage of there being no schoolchildren having swimming lessons from CCBC.

The kids are back at school this week but so far they have not reappeared into the main pool.

However, the general public do not realise this fact resulting in the pool being virtually empty.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
The schools didn't, up to 18 months ago anyway, take over the whole pool, just three or four lanes. The rest was open to all.

The issue of charging for lockers is hardly a huge matter at 20p a throw but it does raise the question of how much revenue it will raise, how much will it cost to collect the money and why is it felt necessary ?
How much damage is done to lockers each year? Was it a case of them having to change the locks when the new pound coin was introduced?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 11, 2018, 02:13:33 PM
Dave, the main pool has been completely closed by CCBC to the general public in the mornings since September 2017 during term-time for the sole use of primary school pupil swimming lessons.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on January 11, 2018, 02:54:27 PM
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The schools didn't, up to 18 months ago anyway, take over the whole pool, just three or four lanes. The rest was open to all.

The issue of charging for lockers is hardly a huge matter at 20p a throw but it does raise the question of how much revenue it will raise, how much will it cost to collect the money and why is it felt necessary ?
How much damage is done to lockers each year? Was it a case of them having to change the locks when the new pound coin was introduced?

I disagree that it isn't a huge matter at 20p a throw. You would assume that lockers are included in gym membership or in the price of visiting the gym or the pool (as they are at every other gym and swimming pool in the world), depending on how regularly you use it you'd be looking at a rise in cost of between £1 and £4 per month per member. I think at the average membership cost this currently that stands as between a 4% and 16% rise in monthly fees. Way above inflation of course, but this is optional and there comes the bigger problem, several people have already told me on principal they won't pay it and will take their bags inside with them. This will cause health and safety issues. Several people will also leave their belongings unlocked, this will cause crime. Several people will leave and find a gym that isn't run by Scrooge Mcduck, this will cause a loss to their overall income (the pool and the gym are deserted at the best of times, even in January when everyone should be working off their mince pies).

Some people will pay the 20p charge and lock their stuff up, but this will be  Z** in the wind as regards to any serious cost cutting.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 05:24:37 PM
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The issue of charging for lockers is hardly a huge matter at 20p a throw but it does raise the question of how much revenue it will raise, how much will it cost to collect the money and why is it felt necessary ?
How much damage is done to lockers each year? Was it a case of them having to change the locks when the new pound coin was introduced?



I did ask the question....why and what will it achieve?

I stopped using the pool 18 months ago as I became  allergic to the chemicals in the water so I wasn't aware that the pool was closed to " general public" when in use by schools. Is there a sudden huge increase in schools usage to warrant such action?


I wonder what percentage of users have membership cards, how much do they cost, ( particularly the over 60's one which is only £11 per year to use the pool) and how many "pay as you go" so to speak. Only when you know the figures, the usage by individuals and the cost incurred by them can you accurately evaluate the increase.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on January 11, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
I didn't know the over 60s was £11 per year - you can triple my percentage figures then for the elderly - I also believe the pool is free to pensioners isn't it?
Talk about giving with one hand and taking away with the other.

If you read back in the thread you'll see the pool is closed to the general public for child protection reasons rather than anything to do with numbers
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 05:48:26 PM
I don't think the pool is free for pensioners, I think they need to buy the membership card at the discounted rate.

and no, I didn't read back to see the reason for the pool being shut to all but when schools are there. Wonder who thought of that one.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
Well, I have read the back issues.... briefly. It seems that there was a sudden change of stance and the reason given became a wish to fast track more pupils through an intensive swimming course rather than unacceptable risk to children.
Again, would be interesting to know how successful the new policy has been in terms of child numbers attending the pool and indeed their success rate in being able to swim.

As far as the first statement notifying the closure to the public was concerned it was likely of more concern that if anything did happen the council would be held responsible and someone would have to carry the can, rather than a real risk to the children being in the pool at the same time as adults.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 11, 2018, 06:21:14 PM
Dave, sadly, there was no consultation with the service users.

Had there been then it would soon have been established that the gym is used every morning by individuals on a variety of GP exercise referral schemes and many used to enjoy a visit into the pool after their one hour morning class.

Many also lost the opportunity to use the changing facilities before and after exercise whether they swam or not.

Sadly, those running the new swimming arrangements for the education department have failed to liaise with the swimming pool staff as to when they are returning after the Xmas break.

Somebody must know because most of these pupils are transported to the pool by coaches which have to be pre-booked.

FYI, I only use the gym on a regular basis in the mornings and notice these things as well as being fairly neutral.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
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Dave, sadly, there was no consultation with the service users.

Had there been then it would soon have been established that the gym is used every morning by individuals on a variety of GP exercise referral schemes and many used to enjoy a visit into the pool after their one hour morning class.

Many also lost the opportunity to use the changing facilities before and after exercise whether they swam or not.

Sadly, those running the new swimming arrangements for the education department have failed to liaise with the swimming pool staff as to when they are returning after the Xmas break.

Somebody must know because most of these pupils are transported to the pool by coaches which have to be pre-booked.

FYI, I only use the gym on a regular basis in the mornings and notice these things as well as being fairly neutral.

Interesting Bri, never realised about the re the Gym and GP referrals, although I'm aware that some users of the pool get to do so F.O.C as they have been sent on doctors orders too.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 11, 2018, 07:13:21 PM
My fault as they are no longer just GP referrals to the gym here.

There are individuals who have had heart surgery and are cardiac referrals as well as others who have been lucky enough to have had a hip replacement.

Others are referred here for lifestyle changes rather than going on to a waiting list.

More significantly, none of them are allowed downstairs to use the changing rooms during the morning as well as also missing out on a swim after exercise.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 11, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
I was there tonight, for gym and swim.
The lockers incidentally are still free for the next few days.

What I did notice however, was the longest list Iíve ever seen of impending closures over the next couple of weeks.
They write them in a flip chart in reception.

What really galled me the most, was next Thursday it is closed to the public in the evening, which is the ONLY night out of seven, that the public are allowed to swim! 
I pointed this out to the manageress, who in jest replied...
ĎYeah, it would be much easier to give you a list of when you ARE allowed to use the facilities Ď

Itís terrible really.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 11:53:10 PM
Well, I must admit I have been contemplating making a return to the pool as I could do with getting fit again but from what I'm reading I think I'll have to start getting on my under used bike instead.
It certainly doesn't seem as if the council want to encourage anyone to use the facility if things are as reported here.
Would be interesting to see the accounts and usage figures though wouldn't it.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: DaveR on January 12, 2018, 08:28:39 AM
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Several people will leave and find a gym that isn't run by Scrooge Mcduck
:laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 12, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
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What really galled me the most, was next Thursday it is closed to the public in the evening, which is the ONLY night out of seven, that the public are allowed to swim! 

I read the flip chart this morning and noticed that.

Whilst you have my sympathies, Fester, I thought it would have been helpful to have explained exactly why it has to close.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 13, 2018, 10:49:58 AM
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What really galled me the most, was next Thursday it is closed to the public in the evening, which is the ONLY night out of seven, that the public are allowed to swim! 

I read the flip chart this morning and noticed that.

Whilst you have my sympathies, Fester, I thought it would have been helpful to have explained exactly why it has to close.

But I donít know why Bri, do you?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 13, 2018, 02:20:45 PM
No, I donít Fester but if you are still going to the gym on Thursday evening you may be in a position to see why?

e.g.- It maybe for pool maintenance

Btw, there was a couple hovering outside of the door to the gym this morning and followed us in.

Even though we were given the passcode downstairs we did not need it anyway.

I am of the opinion, many non-members use the gym without paying because the gym door is always open especially when there is a swimming gala on at weekends.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 14, 2018, 07:02:14 PM
Iíve used the gym and pool 3 times this week Bri.
The gym door is always open, and in any case the passcode for it hasnít changed in the last 4 months at least.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 14, 2018, 08:00:59 PM
One would expect the gym staff to at least lock it behind them and encourage others to do likewise.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: ormegolf on January 15, 2018, 06:50:38 AM
I am ashamed to say I a non swimmer. But I have had contacts with the council operated pool over the years. My pitch and putt course is also a municipal operated facility. So you would think they would work together to their mutual advantage.
  Wrong. Over the years I have left  leaflets, flyers, posters in the pool. . I now know it was a waste of time. Within a week they were in their bin. I used to point this out to them but I gave up years ago
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: DaveR on January 15, 2018, 11:37:40 AM
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Over the years I have left  leaflets, flyers, posters in the pool. . I now know it was a waste of time.
They probably got soaked through straight away, Mike?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: nwpo on January 15, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
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One would expect the gym staff to at least lock it behind them and encourage others to do likewise.

The door to the Gym at Colwyn Bay is frequently left open to allow for ventilation as the air conditioning still doesn't work. Whilst they haven't fixed that they have installed a heat recovery system for the pool and boilers instead.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 15, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
Bri,  there is a sign at the gym saying something like, Ďthe gym is supervised by a member of staff at all timesí

I would say that there is NO member of staff in the gym on 95% of my visits.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 15, 2018, 09:14:33 PM
Fester, at the times you are in the gym it probably seems that way to you.

Normally, I go to the gym in the mornings and I try to avoid the busy Exercise Referral classes, which always have a suitably medically qualified instructor in attendance.

Next time you are there, you will see this list up on the noticeboard just behind the desk and chair.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 19, 2018, 07:00:17 PM
The schoolchildren have been back in the main pool this week for their swimming lessons.

Last term, the kids were being transported to and from the swimming pool by local coach firms but it seems someone at CCBC may have recently scrutinised the total cost because this term they are using a couple of self-drive hire minibuses from Aberconwy Car and Van Hire.

Btw, Fester, I believe the main pool was unavailable last night because St Davids College held a swimming gala.

Hopefully, you should be fine for next Thursday.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on January 20, 2018, 09:50:55 PM
Thanks Bri,
Iíve started going there on various afternoons, anytime between 2 and 4pm.
Getting robbed of the one evening a week forced me to change.
I might be switching gyms to Deganwy soon anyway, because the LSC equipment is so poor.
You gets what you pays for.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 21, 2018, 08:09:01 AM
Fester, for anyone spending about £33 per month for the ffit membership and simply wanting to use the gym and then have a swim then I guess you will always be safe with using the facilities between 12.30pm - 3pm midweek.

Anytime on a Saturday and Sunday for the gym is fine but it will always be a gamble at the weekend for the pool because of the volume of swimming galas.
Title: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 12, 2018, 12:28:44 PM
It is half term and the swimming pool is available during the mornings.

There were only three swimmers using it and overseen by two lifeguards when I came away from the gym about 11am.

Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on February 13, 2018, 11:59:12 AM
For anyone who has a job it's hardly ideal. Tuesdays and Thursdays are the two evenings you have any chance of swimming.

Noticed the new locker regime is in - yesterday all of the lockers on my row which had belongings were left unlocked, easy picking for thieves  &shake&
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Fester on February 14, 2018, 11:44:24 AM
No chance on a Tuesday evening B2R.  Thursday only mate.
I tried to pay 20p for my locker yesterday, but every locker had something in it, but left unlocked as you say!   So Iím prepared to pay, but actually blocked from doing so.
Badly thought through, once again.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 14, 2018, 12:41:31 PM
There a several new lockers outside the gym but the wristband looks rather uncomfortable to wear in the gym. Yesterday, someone had left theirs on the window sill where anyone could pick it pick up, walk outside the door and test it in the eight lockers.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: born2run on February 14, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
The locker below mine in the changing room was wide open and in full view as a lady's purse. I only hope it wasn't left wide open because someone else had just rifled through the purse. Crime is an inevitability of this new system.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2018, 05:10:27 PM
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Crime is an inevitability of this new system.

I guess it probably is if you are daft enough to leave a purse in open view.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 19, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
The main swimming pool is now open in the mornings midweek until the end of the school Easter holidays.

It was virtually empty this morning.
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool - a catalogue of admin errors
Post by: Mr Tunnock on March 19, 2018, 07:41:57 PM
Have you thought of joining the Imperial mint condition Bri ?
Title: Re: Llandudno swimming pool
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 19, 2018, 11:50:41 PM
No, why?