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Title: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on September 03, 2010, 03:11:11 PM
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Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on September 10, 2010, 04:06:26 PM
I was considering going for a walk on the Orme today but took the soft option and drove up to Tyn Y Coed Road to drop something off for a friend.  On the way up I stopped at Mike's golf Course and had a chat with Mike on his lovely but rather windswept course.  It must have the best views of any golf course in Wales from its spectacular location.   :)
Carrying on down the zig zags past the Church I noticed that the toll booth was closed ;) so I had a change of plan and drove around the Marine Drive for free. ;D  There were plenty of walkers going around it including a blind man who was walking alone and whom I have seen before doing the same thing.
A quick photo of the lighthouse and then a coffee and Cherry Bakewell in the Rest and Be Thankful before driving on.
Stopped at the West Shore to admire the Windsurfers but noticed that nothing has been done about the White Rabbit pool and the sand is rapidly piling up everywhere!   :(
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 10, 2010, 05:49:03 PM
I'm sure Mike will have been thrilled to see you, now that things have started to get a little quieter up there.  :)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 10, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
Yes, I was.I was wandering around the greens with a bottle of strong weedkiller----not the best thing to do on a windy day
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on September 19, 2010, 01:13:51 PM
Hugo said:  "Carrying on down the zig zags past the Church I noticed that the toll booth was closed  so I had a change of plan and drove around the Marine Drive for free. "

If you have a relative buried in the Great Orme Cemetery you can obtain a Free Pass to save having to pay the Toll. *&(

Application forms available from the Parking Department, CCBC.  You will have to know the name, relationship, date of internment etc.   Some help with information is available from the Cemetery's Department of CCBC. ££$

Whilst the primary use of the Pass is to visit the Cemetery it is used by many just to drive round the Orme! _))*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on September 19, 2010, 11:25:14 PM
I'm not sure what time the Toll Booth closes, but I was able to have a ''free'' drive round the Orme myself today.

Always worth giving it a whirl on a Sunday evening methinks ...
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on September 20, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
The toll booth at the bottom of the zig-zag hasn't been operational at all this season.
Fester--- the only thing to watch for on your 'free trips' are folk coming round the wrong way! A friend of mine had a very near miss with some loony coming the other way.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Quiggs on September 20, 2010, 11:15:53 AM
I heard that some of these so called boy racers, have been driving round the Orme at night THE WRONG WAY, what do these Morons have in their head for brains. Hopefully the latest tragedy on Conwy Rd. might temper their actions, but somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on September 20, 2010, 10:52:58 PM
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The toll booth at the bottom of the zig-zag hasn't been operational at all this season.
Fester--- the only thing to watch for on your 'free trips' are folk coming round the wrong way! A friend of mine had a very near miss with some loony coming the other way.

Thats funny...because I drove down the zig zag on 2 occasions earlier this season....and I came accross the menacing toll booth man both times,  so I did an awkward 83 point turn and went home embarrassed.   So embarrassed was I that I never tried again ... :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on September 21, 2010, 08:20:34 AM
During the main season - Mid-July to end of August - the zig-zag is usually manned, but if one of the staff has to take a day off, they'll always try to ensure the main gate is manned, so you can be lucky.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on September 21, 2010, 09:07:25 AM
The Zig-zag Toll is NOT being manned this year.

Apparently it was felt that the revenue did not justify cost of manning.

They are wrong of course!  To beat the toll just drive up the tram track, past the cemetery and you get a free run!!  Lots of people now do this instead of using the main toll gate.   _))*
 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on September 21, 2010, 09:08:33 AM
A promising start to the day.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on September 21, 2010, 09:15:21 AM
Fester said:

"Thats funny...because I drove down the zig zag on 2 occasions earlier this season....and I came accross the menacing toll booth man both times,  so I did an awkward 83 point turn and went home embarrassed.   So embarrassed was I that I never tried again ... :-[ :-[ "

The Zig-zag Toll has not been manned all season so anyone who was there must have been an imposter or your underlying guilt, associated with what you were about to do, produced an illusion of what may befall you on a future occasion. _))*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 21, 2010, 09:22:57 AM
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A promising start to the day.
Yes, a fantastic sunrise this morning, I have a photo to add in later.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on September 21, 2010, 11:00:07 AM
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The Zig-zag Toll is NOT being manned this year.

Apparently it was felt that the revenue did not justify cost of manning.

They are wrong of course!  To beat the toll just drive up the tram track, past the cemetery and you get a free run!!  Lots of people now do this instead of using the main toll gate.   _))*
 

This is what I was told by the chappie on the main gate.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on September 21, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
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The Zig-zag Toll is NOT being manned this year.

It has been, because one day I gave the chap manning it a lift to his booth :-)))  That was probably the day you got nabbed, Fester  ))*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 21, 2010, 02:01:00 PM
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The Zig-zag Toll is NOT being manned this year.

Apparently it was felt that the revenue did not justify cost of manning.

They are wrong of course!  To beat the toll just drive up the tram track, past the cemetery and you get a free run!!  Lots of people now do this instead of using the main toll gate.   _))*
 

Thats the route my father always took us on in the Sixties to save the toll :) D)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on September 21, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
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The Zig-zag Toll is NOT being manned this year.

Apparently it was felt that the revenue did not justify cost of manning.

They are wrong of course!  To beat the toll just drive up the tram track, past the cemetery and you get a free run!!  Lots of people now do this instead of using the main toll gate.   _))*
 

This is what I was told by the chappie on the main gate.

I heard Mike pop's down there when the golf course is slow, to make some extra cash.  L0L
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Micox on September 25, 2010, 05:13:08 PM
 *&( Driving down the zig zag is indeed hazardous.  Getting through the gateway at Anglesey Road is the first challenge and one has to be very careful which way to turn when one reaches Invalids Walk. An 87 point turn is indeed an achievement - well done.  &well&
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 25, 2010, 05:30:01 PM
 _))* _))*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on September 25, 2010, 11:08:31 PM
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*&( Driving down the zig zag is indeed hazardous.  Getting through the gateway at Anglesey Road is the first challenge and one has to be very careful which way to turn when one reaches Invalids Walk. An 87 point turn is indeed an achievement - well done.  &well&

Not the bloomin zig zag path .... the bloomin zig zag road,  from St Tudno's to the toll booth ..

But something tells me you already knew that ...
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on October 03, 2010, 12:37:40 AM
 :) I was watching the Coast to Coast programme on the Yesterday channel on Saturday when the presenter was taken too the cave with the alter inside it ,very interesting.Apparently one of the Mostyns had it built in 1718, as a fishing retreat for himself,i would love too visit the cave,anyone got some rope.  ;)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on October 03, 2010, 12:46:28 AM
Opinions and theories are divided on the purpose of that incredible cave.

One says it was an illicit or clandestine place to worship,

Another says it was a brothel,  again for the Mostyn's only.

We shall never know .... but if my knees were up to it, I'd be abseiling down there with you.

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on October 03, 2010, 09:05:50 AM
And me !
I have it on a DVD on Fishlock's Wildtracks when our house was featured.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on October 03, 2010, 07:19:16 PM
Interesting late afternoon activity at Black Gate today. Simultaneous arrival of 2 police cars , 2 ambulances and a fire engine all on blue lights. The police cars and ambulances zoomed into and out of Prospect Terrace while the fire engine stood on standby at the traffic lights. Never a dull moment!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Barbiroli on October 03, 2010, 07:43:28 PM
They must have had a squeeze if they all went in at the same time especially on a Sunday when all the residents are at home. My sister lived there up to March this year the tight turn to get out again is awful.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on October 03, 2010, 08:48:47 PM
Correct. It should be on the driving test route. If you can drive in and out of there then you've passed. Not the first time this has happened. The paramedic was again  hanging around on Ty Gwyn Road for 10 minutes waiting for the police cars to arrive before he went in. Once he'd been in there the police cars cars came out with one additional passenger and the ambulance arrived.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on October 04, 2010, 01:40:40 AM
Oh heck!
I shall keep me eyes on the Weekly News then.
It sounds like someone has done someone in!

 ))* :twoface: WWW
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on March 16, 2011, 12:46:21 PM
Some of the new lambs at Pink Farm.  They look so sweet at this age. 

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on March 18, 2011, 10:14:12 PM
Yes....they look.....DELICIOUS !!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on March 18, 2011, 10:59:30 PM
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Yes....they look.....DELICIOUS !!


 L0L
Title: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Llechwedd on April 08, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
Anyone know which plot of land is for sale - 700k +?  It's in the Brian Davies ad., in this weeks NWWN.  There's a map but I can't make it out.  Could be the one mentioned in earlier comments here, next door to the house which had been lived in for 50 years by the same family?
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: TIFFY on April 08, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
It looks like the 2nd. plot just past the Railway Convalescent Home.
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: DaveR on April 08, 2011, 06:16:42 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Tiffy.  :)
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: TIFFY on April 08, 2011, 06:27:28 PM
 Thanks.   :)
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Hugo on April 14, 2011, 03:20:31 PM
I walked past the plot today, it is nearly an acre in size but looks narrow and is overgrown.  There are some mature trees within the plot that should tree preservation orders (TPO'S) be imposed may present a problem with access and the proposed building.
I wanted to take a photo of the plot and put my rucksac down to get the camera out and the noise disturbed a young red Fox that walked down the path into the undergrowth and out of sight.
The first photo is taken from street level and the second from a path above the Marine Drive.
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Llechwedd on April 15, 2011, 12:28:29 PM
Gosh it is over grown isn't it.  700k seems a lot.
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Hugo on April 15, 2011, 05:34:25 PM
I remember making an offer about 40 years ago for a bigger plot nearby but they wanted £10K for it then.   :roll:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing!    ???
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Trojan on April 15, 2011, 10:49:13 PM
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I remember making an offer about 40 years ago for a bigger plot nearby but they wanted £10K for it then.   :roll:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing!    ???

Looks like you lost the plot Hugo.  L0L
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Hugo on April 16, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
Thanks very much for reminding me.    :roll:
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Llechwedd on April 18, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
Oh poor Hugo you'd have made a fortune. Still.....

Just seen the house built where the Abbey Lodge used to be. Probably the worst house I've ever seen in my life and they are so proud of it they've put a stone above the door engraved with 2010.  ugh how they ever got planning permission is beyond me it's so ugly.
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2011, 12:23:37 PM
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Just seen the house built where the Abbey Lodge used to be. Probably the worst house I've ever seen in my life and they are so proud of it they've put a stone above the door engraved with 2010.  ugh how they ever got planning permission is beyond me it's so ugly.
:-X

http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=104.msg17914#msg17914 (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=104.msg17914#msg17914)
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Pendragon on April 18, 2011, 12:49:56 PM
It reminds me of an over sized dolls house.
Title: Re: Llys Helig Drive
Post by: Yorkie on April 18, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
Isn't that a bit of an insult to Dolls' Houses?     _))*   This is one of Queen Mary's.
Always worth a visit if you're near Windsor Castle.    :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on April 20, 2011, 12:47:17 PM
It's lovely on the Great Orme at the moment - trees are coming into leaf, bushes and wildflowers are blooming.  This photo shows the footpath just by Ffynnon Powell. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on April 20, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
I always wonder why there is a Water Meter set into the ground by the Well?!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on April 20, 2011, 04:34:20 PM
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I always wonder why there is a Water Meter set into the ground by the Well?!

I have been told that that's where the water supply for St. Tudno's Church is connected. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on May 15, 2011, 11:04:16 PM
The laburnum arch in Happy Valley is looking very attractive - and the bumblebees seem to agree.  The arch may not be as impressive as Bodnant's but there's no charge to see this one. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Micox on May 17, 2011, 09:15:48 PM
That is a heart rending photo by Fffynnon Powell Blodyn. Thank you.  :-*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on May 19, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
I'm glad that you liked the photo, Micox.  There are so many lovely places around here but when one can access them without any difficulty it can be too easy to take them for granted and forget that not everyone has that privilege. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on May 19, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
After dinner this evening we had a walk up to the Ski slope and then down through Happy Valley (via the wonderfully scented Laburnum Arch) and into town along the prom and then back up the hill to home Happy Valley was almost deserted apart from a multitude of rabbits. It was so peaceful and serene.We are just so lucky to be living here! 
Title: Planning application Beaver Lodge
Post by: dingo20 on May 26, 2011, 01:22:20 PM
Has anyone seen the planning application for Beaver Lodge? 3 x new houses and a new garage and wider access.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on May 26, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
 8) How is the water feature in the Happy Valley,when i used to complain as to why the waterfall was;nt working their reply every time was vandalism.Why not turn it of at 5 was my reply.CCBC not interested ,come on friends of the Happy Valley lets see if you can achieve more than the West Shore group. Z**
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on May 26, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
The water feature hasn't worked properly in the last 5 years and I've never seen the cascade working. What a joke after all that Lottery money was spent on restoring it back in 2000.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on May 26, 2011, 04:42:02 PM
 :(Just goes to prove that the town council have no idea what is working or not,of course their zimmer frames can;t reach that far.Lets just hopr the friends group get a little more co operation from CCBC. WWW
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on May 26, 2011, 04:48:57 PM
On the Town Council website:

"The Friends of Happy Valley Group held their first meeting on Wednesday 4th May 2011.    Following on from the successes of the Friends of Queens Park and West Shore Groups, the group made up of mainly local residents, is looking to develop projects and attract funds to assist with maintenance and improvements to the gardens of the Happy Valley Area on the Great Orme.  Anyone can join a Friends Group and give as much or as little time as they want.  If you are interested in making new friends, helping promote the heritage of the area, and having a say in the management of a local green space, please contact the Town Clerk for more information on how to become involved."

I emailed the chap organising the Group about 2 weeks ago, asking if he would like some space on the Forum to promote the group and tell us a little more about it. I've not had a reply yet....  :-X
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on May 26, 2011, 05:12:01 PM
Two weeks to say "Yes please."  Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on May 29, 2011, 07:54:32 PM
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The water feature hasn't worked properly in the last 5 years and I've never seen the cascade working. What a joke after all that Lottery money was spent on restoring it back in 2000.
So I walked up through Happy Valley this afternoon and water was gushing along the water feature there. Coincidence it gets switched on for the first time this year a few days after it gets mentioned on here? The cascade feature is still as dry as a bone, however, which is a shame as I'm sure it would be quite impressive if working.

It was also very pleasing to see that quite a bit of planting had been carried out to fill in the large areas of bare earth in the rockeries. What wasn't quite so great was that yet more of the beds that usually contain the summer bedding plants had been planted out with shrubs and perennials - yet more cost cutting.  :(

It's always a pleasure to take a walk around:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/5772428021_a6fba86bcf_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5772428021/)
Happy Valley, Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5772428021/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2145/5772428657_bfc99033b2_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5772428657/)
Happy Valley, Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5772428657/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on May 29, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
 $cool$

I'd forgotten.........
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on May 29, 2011, 08:49:18 PM
 &well&
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on May 30, 2011, 08:41:25 AM
 ;) Dave i wish you had taken a picture of the water feature to prove to me,i can;t believe CCBC have got it going . :-*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Micox on May 31, 2011, 04:14:18 PM
 :Sisyphus: Hits me (seriously) when I realise I will never roam the Orme again. Cue violins  ¢¢##

In the remoter regions of the morning listening to the shipping forecast I get stewed up when the announcer says "Great Orme Head" instead of the correct Great Orme's Head (the head belonging to the Great Orme). Can't someone educate these ignorant wellie rousers.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on May 31, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
I think you will find that their use is correct.  The Area is St. David's Head to Great Orme Head.
The first place is St David's so the apostophe is used.   Great Orme Head is the second and as Orme is not possessive an apostrophe is not used.

The Head refers to Headland and if the full word is used Great Orme Headland makes sense, Great Orme's Headland does not.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastal_headland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastal_headland)     ZXZ
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on May 31, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
The old maps show it as Great Ormes Head (no apostrophe)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on June 02, 2011, 01:36:27 PM
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;) Dave i wish you had taken a picture of the water feature to prove to me,i can;t believe CCBC have got it going . :-*
Hmmm...it's been turned off again. The problem seems to be that its simply running from the (metered!) mains water supply, instead of having the same water recirculating. There also seems to be a leak halfway along its length.

I wonder if there any natural water sources in that area that could be used to supply the water?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on June 02, 2011, 03:01:10 PM
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;) Dave i wish you had taken a picture of the water feature to prove to me,i can;t believe CCBC have got it going . :-*
Hmmm...it's been turned off again. The problem seems to be that its simply running from the (metered!) mains water supply, instead of having the same water recirculating. There also seems to be a leak halfway along its length.

I wonder if there any natural water sources in that area that could be used to supply the water?

There's the old town reservoir in Happy Valley, but that was supplied with water by pumping the water up from a water source in  Water Street off Old Road.

As Dave say's, I don't know why it wasn't designed to have re-circulating water. Rainwater could be collected in a tank etc.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on June 02, 2011, 10:52:35 PM
The rocks at Pen-trwyn looked very mellow in the evening light yesterday - and they probably looked even better today but I wasn't going in that direction.  Anyway here's a picture from yesterday for those who are not able to wander about the Orme. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Waffagolf on June 04, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
No idea what the year was this was taken (at least 85 years ago). But it's my Grandad & Grandmother, with my Dad in what looks like an old metal pedal car, outside the recently demolished gate house at the top of Llys Helig Drive where they used to live.


Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on June 04, 2011, 03:30:25 PM
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But it's my Grandad & Grandmother, with my Dad in what looks like an old metal pedal car

"'Ullo John! Gotta New Motor?" (Alexei Sayle, originally released as a single in the UK in 1982)  8)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Barbiroli on June 05, 2011, 11:42:11 AM
Great photo of the marine drive Blodyn.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 05, 2011, 12:45:14 PM
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The rocks at Pen-trwyn looked very mellow in the evening light yesterday - and they probably looked even better today but I wasn't going in that direction.  Anyway here's a picture from yesterday for those who are not able to wander about the Orme. 

I walked round on Friday afternoon and enjoyed every minute of it (including that view) on a day when the temperature must have been in the 70's.

Coming back along the promenade I was surprised not to see one cyclist on the prom.

Mind you, it was so busy around the area of the Cenotaph that any cyclist would have had no choice but to dismount anyway.

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on June 05, 2011, 07:06:49 PM
 ;) That would not have stopped Cll Howarth Bri. WWW
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 05, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
Then she would have certainly caused somebody an injury.

It was absolutely heaving with visitors for about 100 yards along that area of the promenade on Friday afternoon.

wrex, I believe it was one of my local county councillors who proposed this latest review to CCBC.

Does anybody know if she had a mandate from everyone in our ward to do that because she certainly did not ask me ?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on June 05, 2011, 07:48:50 PM
The area from the Lifeboat Slipway to the Pier Entrance is unsuitable for cycling in Summer - far too busy with throngs of people.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on June 08, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
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It was also very pleasing to see that quite a bit of planting had been carried out to fill in the large areas of bare earth in the rockeries. What wasn't quite so great was that yet more of the beds that usually contain the summer bedding plants had been planted out with shrubs and perennials - yet more cost cutting.
(I thought I'd been really clever here by quoting only part of the post but I see that I've not got it right.  This was a post by DaveR, #44 on 29 May)

I'd like to suggest another alternative to the usual summer bedding plants.  Many popular bedding plants have little or no value to wildlife, as they either produce little nectar and pollen or what they do produce is so hidden away by double petals that insects such as bees, hoverflies and butterflies can't reach them.  There are a lot of very pretty "cottage garden" plants which would attract bees and butterflies.  Wouldn't it be lovely to see our gardens - both Happy Valley and Haulfre - teeming with bees and butterflies?  I'd be happy to talk to the Friends of Happy Valley on behalf of the Bumblebee Conservation Trust (http://www.bumblebeeconservation.org.uk/index.htm) and perhaps Butterfly Conservation (http://www.butterfly-conservation.org/) could provide a speaker, too.  
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on June 08, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
Really great idea, Blodyn.  $good$ I've still had no reply to my email to the organiser of the Happy Valley group but I can PM you the address if you'd like to email him yourself?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on June 08, 2011, 03:50:52 PM
Thanks, Dave.  Yes, please would you send me the address.  It would be nice to see some improvements in Happy Valley. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on June 08, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
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Thanks, Dave.  Yes, please would you send me the address.  It would be nice to see some improvements in Happy Valley. 
PM Sent  :)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on June 09, 2011, 11:48:22 AM
Many thanks for the email address, Dave.  I've written to the organiser of the Friends of Happy Valley and I'll let you know what happens. 
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Post by: Blodyn on June 11, 2011, 11:08:21 PM
The view from Haulfre Gardens this evening. 
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Post by: DaveR on June 26, 2011, 08:53:44 AM
The great man himself, Lloyd George, opens Haulfre Gardens in 1929:

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_RTV/1929/01/01/BGT407140698/?s=llandudno&st=0&pn=4 (http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_RTV/1929/01/01/BGT407140698/?s=llandudno&st=0&pn=4)
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Post by: DaveR on June 26, 2011, 10:35:50 PM
I noticed some work was being carried out (maybe on the cliff face) on the first big bend of the Marine Drive on the North Shore side.
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Post by: Ian on June 26, 2011, 10:38:15 PM
It's been going on for a couple of weeks.  I think some visitors are finding the scaffolding a challenge...  :)
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Post by: Jack on June 27, 2011, 08:27:07 AM
I noticed some work was being carried out (maybe on the cliff face) on the first big bend of the Marine Drive on the North Shore side.

Is this where Clwyd Archaeological have found evidence of Bronze Age smelting of copper?  It was always presumed that the mined copper ore was shipped away from the Orme and smelted elsewhere but now there is evidence of smelting and kilns etc.  They had to get scaffolding put up to get to where they needed to work.  They only had funding for three weeks work and is now finished.
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Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2011, 09:54:56 AM
That would make sense, more about that site here:
http://www.ancient-arts.org/Pentrwyn%20Bronze%20Age%20Metalworking%20Site.htm (http://www.ancient-arts.org/Pentrwyn%20Bronze%20Age%20Metalworking%20Site.htm)
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Post by: Ian on June 27, 2011, 10:08:13 AM
Although I'm pretty sure you all know the Orme well enough, just a reminder that - with the increasing number of visitors who find it very difficult to cope with the one way system on the Marine Drive - you should expect to meet cars coming down to the North Shore from the Lighthouse fairly regularly.
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Post by: Michael on June 27, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
In what way do they find it difficult to cope with the oneway system? It appears to me to be the same as any other oneway system anywhere else.
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Post by: DaveR on June 27, 2011, 08:58:05 PM
I don't think the signage is too great, especially when leaving the cafe that is halfway round.
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Post by: Ian on June 28, 2011, 08:04:41 AM
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I don't think the signage is too great,

They often miss the eight foot long lettering on the road, both at the Lys Helig junction, the R & BT carpark exit and the country park car parks a little further on.  The latter two could easily be resolved by the installation of a couple of mandatory turn right or left signs (white arrow on blue background).
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Post by: Yorkie on June 28, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
There is another problem with that suggestion.  The signs round Marine Drive regularly get stolen for their scrap value and it would be a case of continuous replacement.

The actual number of cars one finds travelling the wrong way is quite small and is generally the ones who miss the no entry signs at the West Shore end.   I am excluding those delivery vans and yobs who deliberately choose to travel the wrong way.  The worst offenders are cyclists who seem to thing that he no entry sign does not refer to them.

I cannot recall any accidents due to these situations, but then someone may be able to tell me otherwise.  :D
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Post by: DaveR on June 28, 2011, 09:52:13 AM
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There is another problem with that suggestion.  The signs round Marine Drive regularly get stolen for their scrap value and it would be a case of continuous replacement.
The obvious solution would be to install plastic ones?
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Post by: Blodyn on July 01, 2011, 09:38:05 PM
A slightly different view of the Great Orme. 
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Post by: Rob on July 01, 2011, 09:58:40 PM
I've really enjoyed the photos that have been posted in this thread recenty, thank you!
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Post by: Trojan on July 02, 2011, 05:16:45 PM
Yes, me too. Looks like Blodyn took a slight risk to snap that pic.  :o
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Post by: Blodyn on July 04, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
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Yes, me too. Looks like Blodyn took a slight risk to snap that pic.  :o

It wasn't quite as bad as it looks!

The next picture isn't very clear (I'm sure that DaveR would have done better) but you should be able to make out the Isle of Man on the horizon, as seen from the Great Orme yesterday evening. 
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Post by: DaveR on July 04, 2011, 12:23:43 PM
Doesn't look that far away, which I suppose it isn't really?
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Post by: Blodyn on July 04, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
According to the "Great Orme Panorama" leaflet by Chris Jesty it's 65 - 70 Miles.  The Lake District (70 - 90 miles according to the same source) was also visible but not so clear. 
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Post by: Llechwedd on July 05, 2011, 12:06:29 PM
I worked for Mr Evans in his souvenir shop at the summit when at school.  Twice that summer we were able to see the mountains by the Lake District; Blackpool tower glinting in the sun and in the opposite ditection the mountains of Mourne.
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Post by: Michael on July 05, 2011, 09:19:41 PM
That was the bonus for working in a nice spot like that. Miles better than working, shall I say, in an arcade or bingo
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 08, 2011, 10:26:04 AM
Many thanks to whoever it was on here (can't remember where the post was now  :laugh:) who told me about the season ticket for Marine Drive. Tuesday I got the form from a very helpful chap at the tollgate, I posted it off on Wednesday with a cheque for £15 and this morning it arrived!, it covers 3 cars and includes free parking at the summit car park! all for 12 months!  D)  D) Bargain!
I have to say hats off to the CCBC Parking services for a very efficient service  $good$
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Post by: Nemesis on July 08, 2011, 10:54:48 AM
Could have been me-- can't remember, but we use ours every day-- Well worth the money.
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Post by: TheMedz on July 19, 2011, 07:22:51 AM
 I notice that  Google Street View of some of the roads on the Orme has just been updated and some new ones added. They were taken on a really sunny day (remember those !) and the  views from Anglesey Road are particularly stunning. If you look particularly closely on one of the views you might understand how I knew that updates were imminent.
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Post by: wrex on July 19, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
Is that your new mini at the end of the road MEDZ. ;)
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Post by: hollins on July 19, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
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I notice that  Google Street View of some of the roads on the Orme has just been updated and some new ones added. They were taken on a really sunny day (remember those !) and the  views from Anglesey Road are particularly stunning. If you look particularly closely on one of the views you might understand how I knew that updates were imminent.

Now, that's what I call a "room with a view."
Lucky people, what a fantastic spot!
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Post by: SDQ on July 19, 2011, 09:20:29 AM
 If you look particularly closely on one of the views you might understand how I knew that updates were imminent.

It wouldn't be because you were stood on your doorstep watching the car go past by any chance?
Nice house BTW.  :)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 19, 2011, 10:16:42 AM
we were driving our open top Spitfire last Thursday down the High Street of Porthmadog when we saw the camera car, those images haven't been updated yet. Big brother is watching :laugh:
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Post by: TheMedz on July 19, 2011, 10:38:43 AM
I think the Orme views were taken in the warm spell towards the end of  April so on that basis you can probably expect high street Porthmadog ones yo saw being taken to be on show in September/October. 
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 19, 2011, 10:45:27 AM
the warm spell towards the end of  April 

otherwise known as Summer this year!  :laugh:


I'll keep checking the Porthmadog pics, we should be obvious in that car  :laugh:
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Post by: suepp on July 19, 2011, 10:54:45 AM
I spotted the car coming into my road just as I was  leaving the house, in one image you can see my front door open and then closed. I took my time going to my car but I'm not  on it :(
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Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2011, 10:59:35 AM
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I notice that  Google Street View of some of the roads on the Orme has just been updated and some new ones added. They were taken on a really sunny day (remember those !) and the  views from Anglesey Road are particularly stunning. If you look particularly closely on one of the views you might understand how I knew that updates were imminent.

Was that water in the bottle you're holding or something stronger?       ;)     The garden is looking nice by the way $good$
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Post by: TheMedz on July 19, 2011, 11:26:18 AM
I think it's Lawn Weed killer Hugo. For the Garden and not for drinking I might add.
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Post by: dwsi on July 19, 2011, 07:27:14 PM
the google streetview took a photo of me in colwyn bay  :D
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Post by: suepp on July 19, 2011, 09:20:56 PM
I've seen my car in two different places  (so far) on streetview
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Post by: TheMedz on July 19, 2011, 09:29:57 PM
If you go down one way passing the house in street view it's got the previous owner of the house's car in the drive if you go the other it's got mine in the same place. Time Warp!
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Post by: Nemesis on July 20, 2011, 03:42:28 PM
Gotcha !. What were you eating when I drove past you this morning? It looked ever so good !! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: TheMedz on July 27, 2011, 12:08:02 PM
There can't be much room at the top of the Orme today. The Trams seem to be going up at about three times their normal, usually every 20 minutes, rate and every one of them has been packed.
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Post by: DaveR on July 27, 2011, 01:00:23 PM
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There can't be much room at the top of the Orme today. The Trams seem to be going up at about three times their normal, usually every 20 minutes, rate and every one of them has been packed.
It's funny you say that, because one of the red open top tour buses just went past me in town and every single seat was taken - they're normally half full at best.
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Post by: Blodyn on August 02, 2011, 01:25:15 PM
I've just been informed that the Great Orme will be "closed" on Thursday 10 November for a rally, except for access by residents and businesses.  I think that this will be mainly Marine Drive and St. Tudno's Road and people affected should be receiving notification by post. 

It sounds as if consultations are starting in good time, so let's hope that some lessons have been learnt after the debacle of road closures for the "Llandudno 10" race. 
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Post by: outlawowl on August 02, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
Frustrating that the Orme will be closed again.. . always disappointing for us dog walkers.
Good to have plenty of notice but it seems that when the Orme is closed it is sometimes for an event which brings people into the town for a few hours who then leave without spending any money.
It is good to see visitors enjoying the area but it would be nice of there were a few financial benefits.

On a different tack but still about the Orme why are there not litter bins and dog bins by the car parking area above the church/cemetery?
You have to watch where you are walking because of the mess left by some dog owners not cleaning up and this weekend the whole area was strewn with litter - empty bottles, paper plates and other rubbish - left by people who come and enjoy the view and a meal.
It is obvious that many of them put their litter in plastic sacks and, before the sacks can be collected, they are pecked to bits by gulls.
Although much of it has been tidied up there are plastic bags and empty cans left in the ferns.
Why don't people take the bags away with them?
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Post by: DaveR on August 02, 2011, 07:14:07 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Outlawowl.  $good$
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Post by: Yorkie on August 02, 2011, 07:39:41 PM
This closure of Marine Drive is for the opening stage of the 2011 Wales Rally GB, the final round of the World Rally and is being hosted by Llandudno.  This is a prestigious event and the entourage with each competitor will give a boost to the hotels and businesses during a normally quiet time.  They will all have to stay somewhere, eat somewhere, and buy supplies of fuel.  A welcome incursion and not to be sniffed at despite a little inconvenience to dog walkers who have no need to use Marine Drive.  There are plenty of other roads and paths that are probably more suited to doggie activities!    L0L

There are also plenty of car enthusiasts who will flood the town apart from those of us who live here and do like to have our interests represented occasionally.    WWW
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Post by: Jack on August 02, 2011, 07:42:20 PM
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Frustrating that the Orme will be closed again.. . always disappointing for us dog walkers.
Good to have plenty of notice but it seems that when the Orme is closed it is sometimes for an event which brings people into the town for a few hours who then leave without spending any money.
It is good to see visitors enjoying the area but it would be nice of there were a few financial benefits.

On a different tack but still about the Orme why are there not litter bins and dog bins by the car parking area above the church/cemetery?
You have to watch where you are walking because of the mess left by some dog owners not cleaning up and this weekend the whole area was strewn with litter - empty bottles, paper plates and other rubbish - left by people who come and enjoy the view and a meal.
It is obvious that many of them put their litter in plastic sacks and, before the sacks can be collected, they are pecked to bits by gulls.
Although much of it has been tidied up there are plastic bags and empty cans left in the ferns.
Why don't people take the bags away with them?

I appreciate it must be annoying to those that live and work on the Orme etc but the rally could be really good for the town.

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/14/world-championshp-rally-to-give-llandudno-and-conwy-huge-boost-55243-28515690/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/04/14/world-championshp-rally-to-give-llandudno-and-conwy-huge-boost-55243-28515690/)
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Post by: Blodyn on August 02, 2011, 09:12:40 PM
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On a different tack but still about the Orme why are there not litter bins and dog bins by the car parking area above the church/cemetery?

Welcome to the Forum, Outlawowl. 

It's a good question!  One Orme resident whom I know lobbied the council for years to get some bins there.  I can't remember the reasons they gave him for not doing so, only that they didn't make much sense.  The council workers pass that area every time they go to empty the bins by St. Tudno's and the cemetery, so I can see no reason for having no bins by the parking area.  You're right, it can be a dreadful mess.  I also get cross with people burning the grass with disposable barbeques. 
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Post by: Ian on August 03, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
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why are there not litter bins and dog bins by the car parking area above the church/cemetery?

The reason they gave was the high winds, which they argued would simply empty the bins all over the place. But this, of course, depends on the design of the bins, and there are some excellent wind-proof designs available.
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Post by: Blodyn on August 07, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
The heathland areas of the Great Orme look lovely at the moment, with the combination of heathers and gorse flowering together.  This was the view looking out ouwards Point Lynas this afternoon. 
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Post by: Nemesis on August 07, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
Same problem with bins in other areas of the Orme, the litter after weekends is dreadful.
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Post by: Blodyn on August 07, 2011, 01:47:39 PM
You're right, Nemesis, and with Saturday's mess waiting to greet Sunday's visitors it hardly enhances the beauty, does it?

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The heathland areas of the Great Orme look lovely at the moment, with the combination of heathers and gorse flowering together.  This was the view looking out ouwards Point Lynas this afternoon.

It looks as if I was time travelling - I didn't realise is was so late when I posted the photo, which was taken yesterday afternoon! 
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Post by: Nemesis on August 07, 2011, 02:13:42 PM
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Post by: Blodyn on August 10, 2011, 10:24:22 AM
There will be another road closure on the Great Orme this Sunday, 14 August. 

Marine Drive will be closed to traffic from 1130 - 1430 for a 15 k charity road race organised / sponsored by the Lions. 

St. Tudno's Road will be open for access only from the Half Way station.  The current sign is misleading, implying that the road will be closed completely but that should be remedied today.  Anyone driving to St. Tudno's Church for the 11.00 am service will be able to return via the road past the Half Way station. 
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Post by: Blodyn on September 01, 2011, 03:10:21 PM
Distant views from the Great Orme were very clear yesterday, with the Isle of Man and the Lake District both visible.  The air waves must have been pretty clear too, as I got a text from my mobile phone company saying "Welcome to the Isle of Man"! 
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Post by: Nemesis on September 01, 2011, 03:17:29 PM
Just come down from the Orme and I haven't seen it as busy for a very long time-- people everywhere, trams, cable car, people walking and  a huge crowd of Asian people having a lovely time opposite the car park above the graveyard. There were so many that the vehicles were double parked--almost like a carnival ! Rest and Be Thankful looked packed.
Nice to see so many people enjoying what we have to offer.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on September 01, 2011, 04:08:27 PM
Yes, me and the missus have just returned from walking to the end of the pier and back.

I couldn't believe the Mostyn Broadway Coach Park was empty when we passed around 3pm so I don't know where all the coach drivers have parked their coaches today.

It is such a shame to see the Cafe Cais so quiet after so much financial investment.
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Post by: Yorkie on September 01, 2011, 05:37:13 PM
The coaches park in Builder Street Coach Park as there are too many for Mostyn Broadway Park.  They return for their day-trip passengers from about 4.00 p.m. onwards then it is chaos!   8)

The cafe does good business then!     ;)
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Post by: Bri Roberts on September 01, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
I thought the Builder Street Coach Park was specifically for overnight parking for coaches.

I often see more than a dozen coaches parked up in the Mostyn Broadway Coach Park on day trips.

Maybe my timing is wrong.

BTW, there was only one coach parked today in the cul-de-sac by Queen Elizabeth Court.
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Post by: Yorkie on September 01, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
Mostyn Broadway is Drop down and Pick up only except for some special coaches converted for disabled people that are allowed to stay there.  Drop and Pick up can of course be any time of day.  The Coach Park Attendant is not there every day or all the time and some overstaying (or abuse of the system) occasionally takes place.  All details in CCBC'c parking regs.     ZXZ
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Post by: Blodyn on September 02, 2011, 11:56:50 AM
Here are some views from the Great Orme yesterday evening.  Aren't we lucky to have so much variety in such a small area?  As Nemesis says, it's nice to see the visitors enjoying it too but there are still plenty of quiet areas even when it's so busy. 
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Post by: Trojan on September 02, 2011, 12:23:36 PM
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Rest and Be Thankful looked packed

 :o
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Post by: Nemesis on September 02, 2011, 01:35:57 PM
Lovely views Blodyn, I often walk the path with the kissing gate when it is really warm, as at least there is some shade.
I like the cliffs photo-- my first thought was that you must have been standing very near the edge, but obviously you have a good lens.
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Post by: Blodyn on September 02, 2011, 03:25:03 PM
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I like the cliffs photo-- my first thought was that you must have been standing very near the edge, but obviously you have a good lens.

Trojan made a similar comment about a photo I posted on the previous page of this thread.  The two photos are taken from a similar place, where it's easy to stand in safety but make it look quite exciting!

I'm glad you like the photos, anyway. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 12, 2011, 09:08:15 AM
The Sea Wall just below Happy Valley is in danger of collapse and will require significant repair work, costing up to £750,000. Additionally, if a decision is taken to build a new sea wall (similar to the large concrete section below the car park) the work will mean that the Happy Valley Road (and Marine Drive) will be closed to traffic for some time.

http://bit.ly/mW8bqW (http://bit.ly/mW8bqW)

Interestingly, CCBC claims not to know who the owner of the land is:

"The sea wall at this location is designated as a private frontage. The
Council would normally serve notice on an owner to repair its structure
however, it has not been possible to establish ownership at this location."


Surely its Mostyn Estates? How could it not be, being as they own the rest of the Great Orme?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 12, 2011, 09:25:57 AM
Looks like no one wants to claim ownership if there's a bill of £750,000 to pay!
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Post by: Nemesis on September 12, 2011, 09:26:40 AM
Yes-- I had just read that--amazing how no-one knows these things !! :o
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Post by: DaveR on September 12, 2011, 09:36:31 AM
I bet if it was a piece of land that was suitable for housing development, then Mostyn Estates would have immediately claimed ownership...  :roll:
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Post by: Nemesis on September 12, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
Too true !
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Post by: dwsi on September 12, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
Great Orme sea wall repairs could cost Conwy Council £750k - North Wales News - News - Daily Post North Wales http://bit.ly/pXE2CD (http://bit.ly/pXE2CD)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 14, 2011, 09:08:27 AM
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The Sea Wall just below Happy Valley is in danger of collapse and will require significant repair work, costing up to £750,000. Additionally, if a decision is taken to build a new sea wall (similar to the large concrete section below the car park) the work will mean that the Happy Valley Road (and Marine Drive) will be closed to traffic for some time.

http://bit.ly/mW8bqW (http://bit.ly/mW8bqW)

Interestingly, CCBC claims not to know who the owner of the land is:

"The sea wall at this location is designated as a private frontage. The
Council would normally serve notice on an owner to repair its structure
however, it has not been possible to establish ownership at this location."


Surely its Mostyn Estates? How could it not be, being as they own the rest of the Great Orme?

CCBC have decided to take the lesser option of spending £350,000 to repair the sea wall, rather than replace it. Work will take approximately 10 weeks.

I found one of Cllr Ronnie Hughes' comments a bit bizarre:

Cllr Ronnie Hughes, of Llandudno, said the work would affect residents and businesses on the Great Orme and that they should be kept fully informed.

He said: “It (the project) has implications for the lighthouse, cemetery visitors, tourism, residents and the café. And if the sea wall does go completely, it could take the colonnades out in Happy Valley.”


Did he even bother to look at the map and see that it is the section of wall below the LLANDUDNO flower bed, nowhere near the Colonnade?
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Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2011, 05:18:53 PM
CCBC staff are looking into the problem (literally):
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Post by: Trojan on September 16, 2011, 11:08:05 AM
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Did he even bother to look at the map and see that it is the section of wall below the LLANDUDNO flower bed, nowhere near the Colonnade?

Flower bed Dave? I have not seen flowers there for some time now.  8)

If CCBC claim to not know who is responsible for repairs, who built the area of sea wall at that location originally?

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Post by: Trojan on September 16, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
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I bet if it was a piece of land that was suitable for housing development, then Mostyn Estates would have immediately claimed ownership...  :roll:

The Great Orme is managed as a Country Park and Local Nature Reserve by Conwy Countryside Service, therefore.....I would have thought it would be CCBC who are required to carry out the repairs.

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=1915&doc=1679 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=1915&doc=1679)

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/section.asp?cat=1495&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/section.asp?cat=1495&Language=1)

Looks like it isn't the Crown Estates: http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/the_crown_estate_in_wales-2.pdf (http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/the_crown_estate_in_wales-2.pdf)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 16, 2011, 12:37:03 PM
As was pointed out in the Weekly News, the ownership trail goes cold in 1925 - the same year that Mostyn Estates was formed.  8)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on September 17, 2011, 01:22:56 AM
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As was pointed out in the Weekly News, the ownership trail goes cold in 1925 - the same year that Mostyn Estates was formed.  8)

I can't seem to find the Weekly News at my local newsagent Dave.  :-X

I wonder how old that section of sea wall is?

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 23, 2011, 07:59:43 PM
I was chatting to Fester over a beer in Fountains tonight and the subject of St. Beunos Road came up. Two questions need to be answered:

1) What is the definitive pronunciation of Beuno?
2) Who was St Beuno anyway and what is the connection with the Great Orme?

I said I thought the pronunciation was Bew-no but Fester begged to differ.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: cygnusx-1 on September 23, 2011, 08:12:08 PM
I would say BAY... NO.
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Post by: SDQ on September 23, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
I thought it was  buy...no
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Post by: Nemesis on September 23, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beuno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beuno)
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Post by: Fester on September 23, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
This is because I was talking last night with HE who knows all things in Llandudno, and has lived on the Gt Orme all his life.

The Great Man himself said it was St Bueno's (pronounced Buy-No) as stated by SDQ.
I thought it was pronounced BWEN-O,  (but I am a stupid English person so my effort doesn't count)
Dave was quite adamant it should be BEW-No

If no definitive answer can be found, then the GREAT man shall be awarded the prize!

I wonder what Quiggs would say?



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Post by: Bellringer on September 23, 2011, 10:33:57 PM
There was a St Bueno's church in the road too. It was basically I seem to remember "a tin shed" and closed as a Church in Wales church in the Parish of Llandudno in the late 1980s.

I think it was redeveloped as a private residence.
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Post by: DaveR on September 23, 2011, 10:36:08 PM
After considerable research (1 min on Google), I can reveal that Cygnus-X was correct and it is pronounced 'bay-no'.


"Today is the feast day of St Beuno, the day on which this saint died in  AD640. He is, perhaps one of Britain’s holiest men, and yet, Beuno (pronounced 'bay-no'),  sadly, remains largely unknown outside Wales.

Beuno was born in Powys about AD545. Can you imagine that? A millenia and a half ago! He was the son of royal parents,  well educated, and rather than pursue a carerrt in the military or politics, he chose the religious life and reputedly founded nine (or more) religious communities.

He spent many years on, or near,  (the Holy Island of Bardsey), the resting place of over twenty thousand saints, so legend says. I have to admit Bardsey Sound, Ynys Enlli, and the part of the mainland overlooking the island, is one of my favourite places - a veritable 'thin place', a place of great spirituality."


http://archive.typepad.com/brothertadhg/2011/04/21april-2011-today-is-the-feast-day-of-st-beuno-the-day-on-which-this-saint-died-in-ad640-he-is-perhapsone-of-britain.html (http://archive.typepad.com/brothertadhg/2011/04/21april-2011-today-is-the-feast-day-of-st-beuno-the-day-on-which-this-saint-died-in-ad640-he-is-perhapsone-of-britain.html)
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Post by: Fester on September 23, 2011, 10:47:09 PM
He who knows ALL things cannot be wrong! ........... they who wrote the article in Google are spreading false propaganda, and I will not have it!  $angry$

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Post by: cygnusx-1 on September 24, 2011, 07:07:07 PM
 I have always pronounced it Bay-no but it is a word like Beaumaris.............I have heard so many variations on that one but Bewmaris is my take on it.

It means 'beautiful potatoes'!!   
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Post by: DaveR on September 24, 2011, 07:10:50 PM
Bow-maris!
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Post by: Fester on September 25, 2011, 09:35:11 PM
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Bow-maris!

People who I have spoken to in Beaumaris itself, (and live there) say BOO-Maris.

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Post by: DaveR on September 26, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
That's the pronounication of the Welsh version of the town's name - Biwmares.  Not many people use it as it's just a made up name. The town's name is derived from 'beau mareys' - Norman French for 'beautiful marsh'. Beau is obviously pronounced as Bow.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 26, 2011, 08:31:41 AM
is that 'bow' as in 'bow and arrow' or 'bow' as in 'bow down'?   ;D ( the english language sometimes makes no sense at all  :laugh: )

I've always known it as Bo  maris  I remember hearing it years ago on the Treasure Hunt programme as
Bo marry!  L0L
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Post by: DaveR on September 26, 2011, 08:50:23 AM
bow and arrow  $good$
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Post by: Hugo on September 26, 2011, 09:24:38 AM
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I was chatting to Fester over a beer in Fountains tonight and the subject of St. Beunos Road came up. Two questions need to be answered:

1) What is the definitive pronunciation of Beuno?
2) Who was St Beuno anyway and what is the connection with the Great Orme?

I said I thought the pronunciation was Bew-no but Fester begged to differ.

In Welsh, words ending in "no" such as Bueno and Llandudno people often mistakingly think that the correct pronunciation of the "no" is the same as the English word no.
This is incorrect as the Welsh letter "o" is pronounced the same as the English letter "o" in ox or not.
The "o" in the words Llwyn Onn best describe how the "o" should be correctly pronounced.
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Post by: Trojan on September 26, 2011, 09:28:02 AM
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He who knows ALL things cannot be wrong! ........... they who wrote the article in Google are spreading false propaganda, and I will not have it!  $angry$

http://areluctantsinner.blogspot.com/2010/04/st-beuno-patron-of-epileptics-and-sick.html (http://areluctantsinner.blogspot.com/2010/04/st-beuno-patron-of-epileptics-and-sick.html)

NB - a note on how to pronounce St Beuno’s name: The first syllable (Beu) sounds just like the first syllable in “Beirut” (as in the capital of Lebanon), the last syllable “no” sounds like the last part of “Latino” (with an emphasis on “o”). It is not pronounced “bee-no” or “Beano” (as in the character from the famous UK comic)!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on September 27, 2011, 09:02:44 AM
Work will be starting next week to repair the sea wall below Happy Valley, they have already built a compound on the Prom by the Cenotaph and will be building a temporary track along the beach and under the pier to get to the site.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 27, 2011, 09:12:20 AM
I hope there will be a sign up saying 'finished by next July' (as at Colwyn Bay)  ;D
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Post by: Fester on September 27, 2011, 09:18:27 AM
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I hope there will be a sign up saying 'finished by next July' (as at Colwyn Bay)  ;D

I enquired about the timescale last night, and a workman said they had a FOUR week schedule to get the work completed.
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Post by: wrex on September 27, 2011, 05:33:45 PM
That means next year then. D)
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Post by: TheMedz on October 01, 2011, 08:38:32 AM
I noticed the "Marine Drive closed for Cambrian Rally" signs next to the pier and by Marine Drive toll gate and showing a date of 8 10 10. Have they been down since last year and I've just not noticed them?
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Post by: Blodyn on October 02, 2011, 04:18:58 PM
No, The Medz, they've not been there that long!  I've now seen three signs with that date on them.  Perhaps we're time travelling! 
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Post by: dwsi on October 02, 2011, 07:41:10 PM
The day and month are correct but someone has boo-booed with the year  :rage:

Rally stage maps http://bit.ly/nj9App (http://bit.ly/nj9App)
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Post by: DaveR on October 02, 2011, 10:29:26 PM
Contractors have cleared a path through the rocks alongside the pier to get to the sea wall repair area:
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Post by: DaveR on October 02, 2011, 10:30:46 PM
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The day and month are correct but someone has boo-booed with the year  :rage:

Rally stage maps http://bit.ly/nj9App (http://bit.ly/nj9App)
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Post by: Nemesis on October 03, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
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Contractors have cleared a path through the rocks alongside the pier to get to the sea wall repair area:

Wonder how many times the tide will close that up ? :o
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Post by: dwsi on October 03, 2011, 08:10:31 PM
The Great Orme takes centre stage on day one of Wales Rally GB 2011 http://bit.ly/r1RA5W (http://bit.ly/r1RA5W)

Great Orme finale for Cambrian Rally | RallyBuzz http://bit.ly/nwcJ6q (http://bit.ly/nwcJ6q)
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Post by: DaveR on October 06, 2011, 08:26:09 PM
Two excavators working on the sea wall repairs have been left on the beach just below Happy Valley. One hopes that they checked the tide timetables to ensure they do not become submerged!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on October 06, 2011, 08:29:29 PM
As part of the sea wall works, a pile of very large boulders is appearing on the beach by the slipway:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on October 07, 2011, 10:17:33 AM
THe excavators have very little space left in which to remain if we get a particularly high tide.
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Post by: Michael on October 07, 2011, 11:24:41 AM
   Don't worry. I cannot be 100 percent certain from the photo but I think the yellow digger has Jennings Plant Services logos on the side.  Nasty now. If it is JPS they have had previous experience. Remember Rhos beach a few months ago.
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Post by: Nemesis on October 07, 2011, 02:15:29 PM
Yes-- that's what I thought-- and look what happened there ! :o
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on October 09, 2011, 07:56:29 PM
They did seem to be cutting it a little fine with the tide this evening...
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on October 10, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
 What is the mini britania,the Marine drive is closed on Friday for it.
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Post by: Welshmunchkin on October 11, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
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A promising start to the day.
I just wanted to say I just loved the photos. So beautiful and spiritual. Thank you so much for posting them!
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Post by: TheMedz on October 11, 2011, 01:01:17 AM
Thank you. Every morning is different. This is one from the warm spell at the end of September this year.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 11, 2011, 07:31:04 AM
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What is the mini britania,the Marine drive is closed on Friday for it.

Here's the answer.

It ends at 6pm but all other arrangements appear to be guesswork for spectators.

Motor-Sport Calendar - October 2011
 
12 Oct: Drift What Ya Brung - Santa Pod Raceway, Northamptonshire
14 Oct: Mini Britannia - Llandudno, North Wales
14/16 Oct: FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - Yeongam, South Korea
14/16 Oct: FIM MotoGP WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - Phillip Island, Australia
14/16 Oct: FIM SUPERBIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP - Portimao, Portugal
14/16 Oct: CIK-FIA Monaco Kart Cup - Monaco

http://www.retro-speed.co.uk/showpreviews.asp?art=5054 (http://www.retro-speed.co.uk/showpreviews.asp?art=5054)

http://www.tourbritannia.com/miniroute/ (http://www.tourbritannia.com/miniroute/)
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Post by: Yorkie on October 11, 2011, 09:27:36 AM
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What is the mini britania,the Marine drive is closed on Friday for it.

It is a race tour for classic cars (old bangers).

See http://www.tourbritannia.com/news/2011/7/17/mini-britannia-announced-autumn-2011.html (http://www.tourbritannia.com/news/2011/7/17/mini-britannia-announced-autumn-2011.html)
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 11, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
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They did seem to be cutting it a little fine with the tide this evening...

They were cutting it even finer last Saturday afternoon.

I overheard a pier manager complaining the vibration from the lorries maybe damaging the pier foundations and they may need to carry out some vibration tests.
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Post by: Nemesis on October 11, 2011, 11:59:20 AM
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What is the mini britania,the Marine drive is closed on Friday for it.

It is a race tour for classic cars (old bangers).

See http://www.tourbritannia.com/news/2011/7/17/mini-britannia-announced-autumn-2011.html (http://www.tourbritannia.com/news/2011/7/17/mini-britannia-announced-autumn-2011.html)

 >>>

Less of the old bangers if you don't mind !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on October 11, 2011, 05:30:17 PM
Some photos from today:
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Post by: Blodyn on November 02, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
Here are a couple of recent views from the Great Orme. 
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Post by: Craigydonian on November 02, 2011, 04:56:04 PM
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What is the mini britania,the Marine drive is closed on Friday for it.

It is a race tour for classic cars (old bangers).

See http://www.tourbritannia.com/news/2011/7/17/mini-britannia-announced-autumn-2011.html (http://www.tourbritannia.com/news/2011/7/17/mini-britannia-announced-autumn-2011.html)
For once Yorkie you and I are in complete agreement - some of those cars are worth a small fortune!
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Post by: Yorkie on November 02, 2011, 06:31:43 PM
We possibly agree on many matters, as time goes by and the subject matters arise, we shall discover where we agree or disagree!    ZXZ

The pen is certainly mightier than the sword!  Don't you agree? WWW
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on November 07, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
I wasn't sure where to post this picture showing low lying mist yesterday morning.  It's too late for "What's Llandudno like now", so here's another "view from the Great Orme". 
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Post by: Llechwedd on November 12, 2011, 11:59:47 AM
Gosh Blodyn I've never seen anything like that before.
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Post by: Blodyn on November 12, 2011, 08:02:49 PM
Llechwedd, I see it like this from time to time and when I'm up on the Orme above the mist I always wonder what it's like down in the mist. 
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Post by: DaveR on November 12, 2011, 08:03:36 PM
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I wasn't sure where to post this picture showing low lying mist yesterday morning.  It's too late for "What's Llandudno like now", so here's another "view from the Great Orme".
Excellent!  $good$
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Post by: Blodyn on November 12, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
Thanks, Dave, that's really kind of you. 
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Post by: snowcap on November 12, 2011, 09:53:19 PM
reminds me of when i lived in pentre broughton nr. wrexham, the town would be coverd in the mist and just the church steeple sticking out of the mist, at autumn and spring time
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on November 13, 2011, 09:19:01 AM
It often will stay near water, or follow the path of a river.
Took this one recently whilst in mid-Wales.
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Post by: Blodyn on November 14, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
What a lovely picture, Nemesis. 
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Post by: Nemesis on November 14, 2011, 05:54:13 PM
Thanks. :D
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Post by: TheMedz on November 14, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
April this year I remember it was misty and cloudy when I was in town but clear above the mists when I got home. Really strange sensation when the cloud rolls up the Conwy Valley.
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Post by: snowcap on November 14, 2011, 10:26:55 PM
great picture medz, saw that scene but did,nt have the camera with me to take the photo.
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Post by: dogstail on November 14, 2011, 10:42:05 PM
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Thank you. Every morning is different. This is one from the warm spell at the end of September this year.

That is beautiful :D
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Post by: Blodyn on January 10, 2012, 09:59:16 AM
The sun this morning briefly lit up the rocks on the Orme and turned the hillside golden.
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Post by: Nemesis on January 10, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Wonderful pics Blodyn :)
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Post by: DaveR on January 10, 2012, 10:39:39 AM
Wow, thats great, Blodyn.  $good$
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Post by: Bellringer on January 10, 2012, 01:04:04 PM
Nice one Blodyn! Or should I say "nice two"! It is true to say it has been quite a pleasant morning for time of year.

Contrast to yesterday morning when the upper part of the Gt Orme was shrouded in cloud while the lower was not.
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Post by: jane B on January 10, 2012, 03:02:08 PM
Lovely pix, you are all so lucky to live in Llandudno, any time of the year!
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Post by: Blodyn on January 10, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
How kind of you all.   $thanx$

I was lucky to in the right place at the right time.  You're right, Jane, we are very lucky to live here. 

 $walesflag$
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Post by: Hugo on January 14, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
I just had a short walk from the Toll House up a track by Ogof Arth and took a few photos of the cave and the views from up there.  The views were stunning today because of the clear visibility.
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Post by: hollins on January 14, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Loved your incredibly clear photos from today Hugo.
What a beautiful day it has been.
I bet the sunset down there will be fantastic this evening.
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Post by: Hugo on January 14, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
Thanks Hollins, it was so nice today I just wish that I could have walked all around the Orme again but as I'd been on the Little Orme before I simply ran out of time.
There's always tomorrow though.    $good$
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Post by: Fester on January 14, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
The last time I fancied walking round The Great Orme twice.... was just before I did it ONCE!

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Post by: Bri Roberts on January 14, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
 $donald$
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Post by: martin on January 14, 2012, 06:47:20 PM
Bri, how do you do things like Donald?  He is not on the menu of options..............  Just seen how to do it, well I never, not noticed the (more) button before.
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Post by: Blodyn on January 14, 2012, 08:59:54 PM
Lovely photos, Hugo. 

Hollins, the sunset was rather spoilt by low cloud in the west but it did look quite nice through the trees in Haulfre Gardens. 

Fester, I'm sure a couple of laps around the Orme will help your diet along - how's it going, by the way?!  ;D 
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Post by: hollins on January 14, 2012, 09:33:25 PM
Thanks for that one Blodyn, a lovely composition.
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Post by: Fester on January 14, 2012, 11:12:05 PM
Thanks Blodyn,
Diet is going very badly.... very badly indeed.
I fell off the wagon yesterday, purely the fault of Dave R, and the excellence of the FatCat bar menu.

But also, the Xmas choccies are still prevalent in the house... I asked people not to by me any.
They chose to ignore me,  and I in turn, cannot ignore them. 
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Post by: Blodyn on January 15, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
Thanks, Hollins.  I find it hard to resist photographing a tree silhouetted against the sky, so here's another one from the Orme this morning.  It's not such an impressive tree (well, more of a bush really) but it's quite an interesting shape.  Here's a morning view from the Orme, as well.

Fester, I'm very sorry to hear about circumstances and DaveR conspiring to derail your diet.   :(  If you want to get rid of some of those chocolates I could help you out ...  ;D

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Post by: Blodyn on January 15, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Here are some ice patterns on one of the flat tombstones at St. Tudno's this morning. 
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Post by: DaveR on January 15, 2012, 09:28:50 PM
Wow, those look great, Blodyn!  $good$
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Post by: snowcap on January 15, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
i can see a part of a face near the bottom of the first ice picture, right eye, nostrils and mouth, can anyone else see it ?
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Post by: Fester on January 15, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
No Snowcap .... unfortunately you are going mad!   :laugh:
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Post by: snowcap on January 15, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
my secrets out, dam you fester
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Post by: Nemesis on January 16, 2012, 08:37:52 AM
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i can see a part of a face near the bottom of the first ice picture, right eye, nostrils and mouth, can anyone else see it ?

Yes I can--it is like one of those puzzles where you have to find a certain amount of figures and the more you look the more appear !
Fab pics Blodyn.
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Post by: Blodyn on January 16, 2012, 09:55:45 AM
Thanks very much, Dave and Nemesis. 

Snowcap and Nemesis, I can't find the face no matter how hard I look! 
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Post by: martin on January 16, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
They are really nice pictures, well done and thanks for posting, as for faces, the second one, half way down just in from the right there is defiantly the face of a pug dog.  I like the last picture with the writing, you would never guess the frost patterns were on gravestone, amazing.
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Post by: martin on January 16, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
I thought I was going mad, just had another look at the photos and saw the saw same pug dog in another photo, (cue the spooky music), then my poor old brain realised that the bottom photo is a closeup of the middle one, phew!  Anyway, pug dogs face in the bottom photo is a the bottom just slightly to the right of center.  Granted it is wearing a toupee, but don't all pug's?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 16, 2012, 10:20:09 AM
Great pics and very spooky!  looks like a swirl of lost souls  :o
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Post by: Pendragon on January 16, 2012, 01:03:35 PM
Martin your really funny Matey.  _))*
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Post by: Yorkie on January 16, 2012, 03:27:02 PM
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Great pics and very spooky!  looks like a swirl of lost souls  :o

A bit like the halucinatory effect of an epidural!     :-X
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Post by: suepp on January 16, 2012, 04:57:32 PM
the tendency to identify faces and sounds in random images and stimuli is known as pareidolia, just a bit of useless information for you there   $good$ Often used by psychologists and sceptics to dismiss paranormal phenomena such as spooky photos!

Fantastic photos btw!
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Post by: Blodyn on January 16, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
Well, I don't seem to be suffering from pareidolia, I can't make out the pug either - with or without a toupee.  Martin, does a pug in a toupee look a bit like your avatar?  (Pareidolia and avatar - that's two new words to my vocabulary in one post - what an educational Forum this is!) 

ME, a "swirl of lost souls" sounds very poetic - I hope they're not too lost, though, as we like to think of St. Tudno's as a peaceful resting place! 
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Post by: martin on January 16, 2012, 07:53:31 PM
WHAT!  You can't make out the pug, I must be madder than I thought, must go, the pink elephant needs feeding :o
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Post by: Blodyn on January 16, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
Don't worry, Martin, I don't suppose it's too serious!  Hope the pink elephant was OK.   ;D
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Post by: suepp on January 16, 2012, 09:40:02 PM
I hope I never lose the ability to see faces in the clouds -or even pink elephants!
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Post by: snowcap on January 16, 2012, 09:52:38 PM
glad to see I'm not the only mad one on the forum but the pug looks more like the lion out of the wizard of oz to me, the face is just above the figures showing how many views blodyn , if thats any help
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Post by: snowcap on January 16, 2012, 09:57:57 PM
looked at the picture again and i must admit the lion looks like its been in the ring with Ali
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Post by: Blodyn on January 17, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Snowcap, thanks for the directions.  I tried it again (with my glasses on this time) and I THINK that I can JUST make out something that looks a bit like Martin's mop monster.  I was beginning to think that I must be suffering from the opposite of pareidolia - is there a word for that, Suepp? 
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Post by: Fester on January 17, 2012, 06:19:57 PM
This is incredible... all these different images and perceptions.

I have stared in depth at the pictures, and I can see a constipated dalek playing chess against a mongolian cheese-merchant with the most appalling psoriasis.   Z**

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Post by: DaveR on January 17, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
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a mongolian cheese-merchant with the most appalling psoriasis.   Z**
Are you sure you weren't looking in a mirror?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 17, 2012, 08:03:20 PM
 L0L
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Post by: Nemesis on January 17, 2012, 08:18:28 PM
 $donald$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: martin on January 17, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
What a lovely day it turned out to be, so much so that we decided we would go for a walk.  drove to West shore where the sand moving operation was coming to an end, decided to give my wasted leg muscles their first real outing since breaking my ankle in three places in early June, by going up the footpath at the side of the old toll house, on my crutches.  I must say, to start with I felt a bit self conscious, and people did give us some rather amused looks, anyway, having reached the flat we were supprised to come across  two girls pushing a pram, I commented to the one pushing that their pram beat my crutches, she replied that this path was known locally as the "Invalids way" as it was the easy way around the Orme, so after that, I felt really well "dressed" for the outing.  Went as far as the park and back, did my legs the power of good, and not having been up that way before, we will most certainly being going back soon. :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on January 17, 2012, 10:48:17 PM
Glad you had a good walk Martin.  I always wondered how "invalids" managed the West Shore end of Invalids' Walk, obviously with great determination as you've shown!    &well&

It's only "easy" if you start from the Haulfre Gardens end - and then turn around before the steep bit. 

Fester, is  Z** the answer to seeing things?  Perhaps that's where I'm going wrong! 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 18, 2012, 08:30:08 AM
I've always maintained that by the time one reaches the actual gardens either way, one is heading for invalidity! I love to walk to the top from behind the toilets, if I can puff and blow that far, but wish I hadn't when coming down again-- it is a killer on the knees! Ty Maes Hill isn't that good either
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Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on January 22, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
The footpath from Pink Farm to Ffynnon Powell is going to be improved! 

Regular walkers along this path will know just how much it needs this.  The first photo shows the worst section of the path as I walked along it this morning.  The only level bit is right next to the fence, which is topped with a strand of barbed wire.  The path is very muddy and slippery and I'd been avoiding it lately, so I've only just come across the notice of the works.  The notice says that the path will be closed from 12 January till 1 February but there's no sign of the work having started yet.  While that path is closed, the alternative will be the path from White Farm to Ffynnon Powell (which could probably do with some use, as it's quite overgrown at the Ffynnon Powell end).

I'm not sure if I can take a little bit of credit for the work on the footpath.  In November 2010 I wrote to the Great Orme Management Committee (I'm not sure that I've got the title right), cc the Country Park, to complain about the state of the path.  In similarly muddy conditions I had slipped onto the barbed wire (despite being very careful) and torn my jacket.  Shortly before then the NWWN had announced that the Country Park had been awarded a large grant for improvements, so I suggested that a little bit of that could be spent on levelling the path before someone damaged more than their clothing.  Apparently the news story wasn't quite right, as match funding had to be found but that was achieved late last summer.  Work on the path also required the agreement of the landowner but it looks as if everything has finally come together. 
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Post by: DaveR on January 22, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
That's good news. Well done, Blodyn!  $good$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Micox on January 22, 2012, 06:37:09 PM
 WWW Re Paradeilia. Early psychiatrists and psychologists, particularly with a psychoanalytic bent, used a Rorcharch test - an ink blot on a large sheet of paper which, when the paper was folded, formed a random field of patterns, splashes and spaces (try it). Whatever the patient could see in this was used to interpret and analyse what her/his state of mind was. It's quite entertaining played as a game.  8) {}{} 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: martin on January 22, 2012, 06:57:22 PM
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I've always maintained that by the time one reaches the actual gardens either way, one is heading for invalidity! I love to walk to the top from behind the toilets, if I can puff and blow that far, but wish I hadn't when coming down again-- it is a killer on the knees! Ty Maes Hill isn't that good either
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Nemesis - Where did you get the little blighter's on crutches from, very funny.   :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 23, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
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I've always maintained that by the time one reaches the actual gardens either way, one is heading for invalidity! I love to walk to the top from behind the toilets, if I can puff and blow that far, but wish I hadn't when coming down again-- it is a killer on the knees! Ty Maes Hill isn't that good either
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Nemesis - Where did you get the little blighter's on crutches from, very funny.   :D

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Here you are Martin, lots of different ones on here and dead easy to use.

Blodyn-- well done-- I always avoid that path in Winter, as I am not that brilliant on my legs I am terrified of slipping in all that uneven mud, not to mention the results of mud and a white dog !
I should make a claim for your jacket :o everyone else seems to manage it !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on January 25, 2012, 12:52:46 PM
The footpath work is now underway and it's looking good.  Even the Ffynnon Powell end of the path to White Farm seems to have been cleared, as it was easy to make my way through there this morning. 

Nemesis, I don't blame you for avoiding the Pink Farm path over winter.  It's been particularly wet this year and Frizzy certainly wouldn't have been a white dog afterwards - I pick up enough mud myself.  The day after I'd washed the last lot of mud off my waterproofs I managed to throw myself full length in the mud - anyway it's supposed to be good for the complexion, isn't it!  After a year of walking around with a piece of Duck Tape over the tear to my jacket (not a very big tear, to be honest), I've finally invested in a Gortex repair kit. 

Micox, re. paradelia and the Rorcharch Test, I used to enjoy making those ink blot patterns as a child but I can't remember seeing any pictures in them.  I'm now worried what a psychoanalyst would make of that - does it mean there's NOTHING in my mind!  :o
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 25, 2012, 01:58:24 PM
Mud and I are not a good pair-- I managed to slide backwards down a path near the mine just before Christmas-- on my front! :o I arrived home looking like nothing on earth.
Got my come-uppance for being nosy this morning, instead of turning off at the half -way station I continued to the summit following a fantastic pale blue Bentley Convertible-- thought it might be someone interesting :-[-- it wasn't, but I decided to walk Frizzy at the summit instead of lower down. Came home reeking of smoke, as there was some clearing and burning going on and it was blowing everywhere.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on January 26, 2012, 09:52:33 AM
Well, Nemesis, I'm glad I'm not the only one who goes in for mud baths!   ;)

I suppose that the burning and clearing is going on in patches all over the Orme, as I saw some yesterday too.  It's good to see the gorse and heather being managed to allow regeneration.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on February 04, 2012, 01:35:20 PM
I'm pleased to say that the work on the footpath between Pink Farm and St. Tudno's has now been completed and the path is a great improvement for walking on.   :)

The first photo shows what was the worst bit before.  It looks rather bleak at the moment but I'm sure it will look better when the vegetation starts growing back.  It's a shame that the gravelled part ends in a sea of churned up mud - the second photo doesn't show how bad it is.  Still, I suppose one can't have everything.   :(
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on February 04, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
What a shame -- Yeuk--but the new bit looks great.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on February 04, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
The end bit by the farm was a mess when I walked there yesterday but it's a working farm after all and you have to expect these things.
I don't know why but I was expecting all the footpath to be improved and this section is small in relation to the total length of the path, do you know if they are doing any more work on the rest of the footpath?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Micox on February 04, 2012, 03:23:56 PM
 &shake& &shake& &shake& Sad, Sad, Sad, IGNORANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see the Council is stuck in the middle of the twentieth century or earlier. The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 and the Equality Act 2010 make it a duty for public bodies to take account of disabled people, especially when new improvements are made to old access routes. The designers of the new path should be made to try to use a wheelchair on gravel. That would make them even redder in the face than they usually are.  $angry$

Mike.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on February 04, 2012, 06:01:21 PM
Hugo, it isn't the farm which made the mess of the path, as the muddy section was fine until the mini diggers started churning it up.  I know that they were working in pretty wet conditions but it would have been better if they'd just smoothed out the last bit behind them.  I suspect that they've done all the work that they're going to. 

Micox, I'm afraid that that path is not wheelchair accessible at all, with three kissing gates and some steeply sloping or rocky bits.  The gravelled section is not at all typical of the rest of the path! 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on February 16, 2012, 11:06:18 AM
OMG just tried to walk the 'new path', but turned back before the farm. White dog and all that churned up mud. Oh no ! He only had a bath last Friday. As Hugo remarked-- shame they couldn't have tidied up a bit-- the new part is very good.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on February 16, 2012, 02:39:45 PM
There seems to be a bit of disagreement about whose fault the mud is.  Apparently the contractors say that they tidied up after themselves and the mess was caused by the farm vehicles.  However, before the work on the new path started the farm vehicles could travel along there without such a problem, as their wheels fitted in the stony ruts.  The farmer told me the other day that 20 tonnes of stone chippings went into the new path, carted along 1/2 tonne at a time in very wet conditions.  So, the contractors may have cleared up but by that time there was probably so much mud spread around that the farm couldn't use the track without redistributing it a bit more. 

On a more positive note, there's a new, seagull-proof litter bin by the parking / picnic area between the Halfway Station and St. Tudno's.  It might not sound much to get excited about but that area's been crying out for a bin and I hope it reduces the amount of litter scattered around there. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on February 16, 2012, 02:52:19 PM
Oh Wow that's smart! Could do with one at the top of the concrete track as well, unless one has appeared there as well ! The amount of discarded bottles and tins after a weekend would make a re-cycler weep!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: outlawowl on February 16, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
Yes, good to see the litter bin in place....just hope people use it instead of dropping cans, bottles and picnic rubbish in the parking area above the church
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on February 18, 2012, 08:32:16 PM
Here are a few views from the Great Orme this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on July 24, 2012, 11:43:42 PM
It looks as if nothing has happened on the Great Orme for ages, so here's a photo from Sunday, when the sun was shining and the wildflowers were blooming. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on July 25, 2012, 11:51:08 AM
I must have walked this path dozens of times, but never before noticed the odd shape of this rock. Also the fact that it has a deep fissure in the side !
Looked like some strange animal's head from the angle I viewed it.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SDQ on July 25, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
I don't know if it's because I'm an Aries but it looks a bit like a ram with big horns facing to the left.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on July 25, 2012, 01:33:46 PM
I'm a Capricorn, but I thought it looked like a horse facing the opposite way!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on July 25, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
I am also a Capricorn and I think it looks like a dog!    ;)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on July 25, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Im taurus and i think it looks like a councillor
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blongb on July 25, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
I'm a Sagittarius and I think it looks like a rock. :o
We had two fantastic walks of late, one across the top of the Orme just before Sunset and one around it. Keep your eyes peeled for Dolphins and Seals they are here in abundance
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ludo on July 25, 2012, 05:39:39 PM
I'm a Virgo and find the 'fissure' very interesting.

Perhaps it was a fault in the formation of the limestone deposits all the way back in the Carboniferous period or perhaps it was caused by movement during the outcropping of the sea bed which forms the present day Great Orme - who knows?.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Pendragon on July 25, 2012, 06:04:18 PM
I am a Virgo also.........however I am on the cusp with Libra (as you are all aware I am special....)  :D  It actually means that I write loads of lists and then either lose or forget them  :roll:

It wouldn't surprise me if the rock had been tooled in one way or another, in Neolithic times they used stones like the one in the photo as beacons or land marks, does it look out to sea?  On the other hand Ludo could be right and it could be a natural formation which dates back to the Caarbon.............that thing Ludo wrote  $good$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Pendragon on July 25, 2012, 06:06:52 PM
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I'm a Sagittarius and I think it looks like a rock. :o
 
You make me giggle Blongb
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ludo on July 25, 2012, 06:09:58 PM
Interesting theory about the Neolithic cave person (trying to be PC about prehistory ;) ). Is anyone using the forum time machine at the moment?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on July 25, 2012, 06:17:01 PM
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I am a Virgo also.........however I am on the cusp with Libra (as you are all aware I am special....)  :D  It actually means that I write loads of lists and then either lose or forget them  :roll:

It wouldn't surprise me if the rock had been tooled in one way or another, in Neolithic times they used stones like the one in the photo as beacons or land marks, does it look out to sea?  On the other hand Ludo could be right and it could be a natural formation which dates back to the Caarbon.............that thing Ludo wrote  $good$


No it is sideways on to the sea.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 25, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
It was me back in 1972 with a hammer and chisel, I did it just for the crack!  :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on July 25, 2012, 10:47:30 PM
I'm a Taurus and wonder whether that's same rock that from a distance I always think looks like a goat - but perhaps if I try hard enough I can make a bull out of it. 

The big boulders dotted about are likely to have been moved around by glaciers during the Ice Age.  (I suppose it's fairly obvious, really, that the glaciers were during the Ice Age!)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on July 26, 2012, 12:42:10 AM
It is quite obviously the head of a duck, facing to the right..... (or Brian the Dog from Family Guy on TV)

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SDQ on July 26, 2012, 12:52:45 AM
A duck??? You're quackers! $donald$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on July 26, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
Can't even get near that area today-- film crews !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on July 27, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
As a change from stone animals, here are some real ones.

There are half a dozen cows with calves at Pink Farm - the calves are so sweet at this age.

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on August 08, 2012, 10:15:24 PM
There were amazing views from the Great Orme summit this evening.  I wasn't planning to go right up to the summit but I could see the summit complex emerging from the mist and the sun breaking through, so I thought it might be worth the detour.  I'm so glad that I made the effort. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: snowcap on August 08, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
some great photos blodyn
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Post by: Yorkie on August 09, 2012, 10:56:47 AM
How's about a picture of a sunrise one of these days?  Or doesn't anyone get up early enough?   
 :D
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Post by: Blodyn on August 09, 2012, 11:13:34 AM
Thanks, Snowcap.

Yorkie, for some reason I see more sunrises in winter than in summer! 
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Post by: emma p on August 09, 2012, 01:37:23 PM
Stunning pictures......planning to capture a few views next week. Is the west shore best for sunsets ?  :)
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Post by: DaveR on August 09, 2012, 02:28:40 PM
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Stunning pictures......planning to capture a few views next week. Is the west shore best for sunsets ?  :)
Yes.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7389405300_a97a5d47bf_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/7389405300/)
West Shore Sunset (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/7389405300/#) by [davidrobertsphotography] (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on August 09, 2012, 04:43:21 PM
One small problem to my suggestion - West Shore is absolutely useless for taking shots of sunrises!   :D
Guess where this one was taken - OK - Portugal!    ;D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on August 10, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
Emma, thanks for your comments.  Hope you have a lovely holiday and see some West Shore sunsets.   :)  If you want to take up Yorkie's suggestion of sunrises, you'd better try North Shore. 

Nice photos, DaveR and Yorkie. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: emma p on August 10, 2012, 12:26:14 PM
Thanks guys......dave, thats a stunner as always,mind you there are some beauties all over this forum. Here for 2 wks this year, not sure ill see a sunrise though lol.  :)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on August 11, 2012, 08:42:43 AM
Sunrise at Colwyn Bay a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 20, 2012, 08:35:50 PM
We just had a drive around the Marine Drive and about a quarter of a mile from the start of the two way section an idiot was driving a small white van towards me!  :o I honked the horn at it And it almost stopped by me, I shouted it's one way here!! A completely blank look on the cretin's face and it carried on, no time to get the reg plate, look for a small white van with various stickers on it driven by someone unable to see large no entry signs!  :rage: where are the police when you need them?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on August 21, 2012, 01:18:26 AM
Well, you did say it was a two way section!   
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 21, 2012, 07:09:21 AM
No, we were in the one way section, going the right way.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on August 21, 2012, 07:56:36 AM
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We just had a drive around the Marine Drive and about a quarter of a mile from the start of the two way section an idiot was driving a small white van towards me!

It's fairly common at this time of the year. Roughly five vehicles a day go the wrong way round the drive. A lot has to do with overgrown signage, fading road markings and folks who enter the drive from the Orme car parks at the half way point, and turn right instead of left. The worst case I saw, however, was a coach - a full 53 seater - that had simply 'got lost' according to the driver. Cyclists are by far and away the biggest risk, though, as they drive down the drive the wrong way, even though they know it's the wrong way.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 21, 2012, 08:02:52 AM
So why are the Police not enforcing the one way rule?
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Post by: Yorkie on August 21, 2012, 08:15:21 AM
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So why are the Police not enforcing the one way rule?

Because it is a private road except for the zig-zag part leading up to the church.    :)
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Post by: Ian on August 21, 2012, 08:16:29 AM
The Drive isn't a public road, of course;  it's private, and owned by the council. I suspect (although I don't know for sure) that it enjoys the same legal status as a shop's car park;  it might well fall to the council to enforce the regs.

Edit: I see Y agrees :-))
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Post by: Yorkie on August 21, 2012, 08:27:00 AM
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The Drive isn't a public road, of course;  it's private, and owned by the council. I suspect (although I don't know for sure) that it enjoys the same legal status as a shop's car park;  it might well fall to the council to enforce the regs.

Edit: I see Y agrees :-))

Actually it is I believe, still owned by Mostyn Estates but administered (as is the whole of the Orme country park) by CCBC.     ;)

Just before I retired I had the responsibility of managing Marine Drive and the Tolls and there was no provision for enforcement of the one way system or speed limit.   Access has to be allowed from the West Shore Toll for residents of Llys Helig Drive and Marine Drive.   :-X
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 21, 2012, 09:01:26 AM
About one year ago I saw something similar and reported it to the Police via a message on here and I was told...

'Hi, yes it is still classed as a road and the road traffic act applies.that sounds very strange.i dont suppose you saw any of the reg numbers? i will check the cctv camera which covers by the grand hotel to see if they spotted a reg number.we do patrol marine drive but not as often as perhaps we should.one of the reasons is that we lose radio signal once we hit the cafe area'

Make what you will of that, I was under the impression that the road traffic act applies anywhere with public access, any legal experts know?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on August 21, 2012, 09:09:35 AM
The Road Traffic Act applies to any road that the public can travel along.
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Post by: Yorkie on August 21, 2012, 09:41:24 AM
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The Road Traffic Act applies to any road that the public can travel along.

Except, of course, that the speed restriction signs do not conform to the regulations.

When I said "no provisions" I was referring to the fact that no one was employed, or instructed to prosecute or otherwise deal with offenders.  Especially difficult due to residents being permitted to drive the wrong way.

The Toll Road Act is an interesting read.    >>>
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on August 21, 2012, 10:26:47 AM
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The Road Traffic Act applies to any road that the public can travel along.

As with most law, it's not quite that simple:

There are said to be about 40,000 private roads in England and Wales. Many are in the Home Counties Surrey seems to have the most, at more than 2,000.   Most date from the end of the nineteenth century or later, though some are older. In private roads, different areas of law meet highway law, property law, tort, administrative law and others.

Is it a highway?

Legally speaking, private roads can be arranged into three main categories. Some are highways, usually because they are through-roads and public use has led to the creation of a highway by dedication and acceptance.   The existence of a highway attracts section 130 of the Highways Act 1980, and the general duty placed on the highway authority to protect the rights of the public. The highway authority has an array of powers, though not the full range which applies to highways maintainable at the public expense (i.e. ordinary public roads). Road humps and other traffic calming devices, for example, can't be installed by the highway authority in private highways, under the powers in sections 90A - 90I of the Highways Act.

Does the public have access?

In some private roads, public use takes place and is tolerated, and the road will be caught by provisions such as the definition in section 192 of the Road Traffic Act 1988:   Road .... means any highway and any other road to which the public has access... . As a result, many motoring offences can be committed in such roads.   The highway authority s powers, however, will be much more limited, and section 130 of the Highways Act will not apply.   Such roads may be on the way to becoming highways. But until they do the 20-year period under section 31(1) of the Highways Act will usually be determinative for this purpose the status of the road is reversible, since the owner can stop tolerating public use. Once the road is a highway, however, statutory power must be invoked to remove the public right of way: see below.

Does other legislation apply?

Thirdly, some private roads are neither highways nor subject to public access. Highway author- ities again have only limited powers. In some respects such roads are no different from the gen- erality of privately-owned land. But some legislation applies broadly to streets , thereby
including all classes of private road, the main example being the New Roads and Street Works Act 1991and other Acts which import its definition of street , including those which confer powers on statutory undertakers to carry out street works.

In practice, the division into categories is less neat. A private road which is not a carriageway (hence not subject to a public right of way for vehicular traffic) may have a footpath or bridle- way running along or across it.   Or a private road may consist of a stretch which is a carriage- way and a stretch which is not. The question of whether a private road has become a highway through dedication and acceptance may be unclear and in dispute.

Ownership

The ownership of a private road is quite often unknown. This is usually because the developer who laid out the site, perhaps fifty or a hundred years ago, lost interest in the road itself once he had sold off the houses he had built; and his successors in title are either untraceable or unwill- ing to get involved. Claiming title by adverse possession is not easy: the Land Registry is re- luctant to register possessory title to a private road, and the recent case of Simpson v. Fergus (2000) 79 P&CR 398 shows that this approach is well-justified. Here the Court of Appeal stressed the difficulty of adversely possessing parts of a road, since they cannot be fenced off. But frontagers may collectively be able to register title to all or most of the road by relying on the presumption that each owns half the width of the road along his or her frontage.


From A. W. & C. Barsby Legal Research and Publishing
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Tosh on August 21, 2012, 11:33:50 AM
The rock climbers go up the Orme via the tram track and then cut across as if they are going to St Tudno's.
They drive down the zig zag to where the old toll booth used to be, they phone their mates who are climbing back down the one way system and they tell them if the road is clear to drive down.
All that to save the toll fee.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 21, 2012, 11:57:04 AM
They can by an annual pass for only £15 which even includes parking at the summit!
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Post by: Yorkie on August 21, 2012, 01:43:32 PM
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They can by an annual pass for only £15 which even includes parking at the summit!

Or if you have a relative buried on the Orme, or live on the upper parts you can get a free pass!  Details from Highways Department, Parking Sub-department.   ;)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Tosh on August 21, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
I have had my pass for a few years nowat £15 per annum.
It is worth it because once you have been round 6 times you have had your money's worth.
I don't think it includes parking at the summit though, but if anyone can prove me wrong I will be more than happy.

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on August 21, 2012, 03:57:31 PM
Hope to heck it does !!! I often leave my car there to walk the dog and I haven't been 'done ' yet. I was always led to understand that the pass included parking. The blurb on CBC's website (Highways) doesn't actually say so it seems somewhat of a grey area. I will try to remember to ask one of the toll keepers when I go round.
Ours certainly is worth the money as we walk on the Orme nearly every day, from different areas where we leave the car.
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Post by: DaveR on August 21, 2012, 06:55:06 PM
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The Road Traffic Act applies to any road that the public can travel along.

As with most law, it's not quite that simple:

the definition in section 192 of the Road Traffic Act 1988:   Road .... means any highway and any other road to which the public has access...
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Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 21, 2012, 07:36:10 PM
Apart from any legal technicalities, the question is why would any sane person wish to drive the wrong way around the Orme? This time of the evening when the sun is low drivers going the correct way struggle to see with the low sun and the last thing they need is a lunatic coming towards them going the wrong way. Perhaps it's a challenge amongst young drivers?
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Post by: Yorkie on August 21, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
These "boy racers" are merely trying the race track in the same direction as some of the Rallies use.   It is certainly more exciting going the wrong way for a change!  Problem is the road is not closed and marshalled for them!   Accidents have happened and will continue, we just don't hear about them.    ZXZ
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Post by: Ian on August 22, 2012, 07:11:41 AM
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the definition in section 192 of the Road Traffic Act 1988:   Road .... means any highway and any other road to which the public has access...

But don't forget the bit that follows...

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The highway authority's powers, however, will be much more limited, and section 130 of the Highways Act will not apply.

 WWW
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on August 22, 2012, 07:13:30 AM
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Apart from any legal technicalities, the question is why would any sane person wish to drive the wrong way around the Orme?

Not sure it's local drivers, M;  I suspect most are visitors who don't know the road and who don't see the signs when they leave the various car parking areas at the half way stage.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on August 22, 2012, 11:10:41 AM
Going back to the subject of the £15 yearly pass-- the blue one-- Yes-- providing the car registration matches the one printed on the pass it is free to park at the summit using the pass as a displayed ticket. I asked Stuart this morning.
Not so if you have a pink pass, which is issued to people who's relatives are buried at St Tudno's. That is not valid at the summit.

Got stuck behind some driver doing less than 10mph this morning-- he hadn't a clue that I was following him $angry$
Just out of interest a young fox cub was wandering in the road near Llys Helig Drive this a.m.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on August 22, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
The easiest way to avoid the toll is to go up via the Tram Track road.  Since CCBC removed the collection of tolls at the bottom of the Zig-zag road there is no control.  Having signed the CCBC Official Secrets Act I am prohibited from saying how much revenue it generated.  It also stopped drivers using the tram track as a way to dodge the toll and more was collected at the toll gate.   Very short sighted of them!     &shake&
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Post by: Blongb on August 22, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
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The easiest way to avoid the toll is to go up via the Tram Track road.  Since CCBC removed the collection of tolls at the bottom of the Zig-zag road there is no control.  Having signed the CCBC Official Secrets Act I am prohibited from saying how much revenue it generated.  It also stopped drivers using the tram track as a way to dodge the toll and more was collected at the toll gate.   Very short sighted of them!     &shake&

Best you go up Ty Gwyn Road for the first bit Yorkie otherwise you might come a cropper on Tabor Hill especially if the Trams are running, besides its No Entry from the bottom anyway. We’ve used it a lot since in their short sightedness, the Council removed our Free Access privilege to the Orme for Orme Residence.   :(
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Post by: SDQ on August 22, 2012, 12:43:28 PM
I'm wondering if Yorkie means St Tudno's Rd which crosses the tram tracks leading to Marine Drive via the church and zig zag rather than going up the Orme via Old Rd.
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Post by: Yorkie on August 22, 2012, 03:43:08 PM
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I'm wondering if Yorkie means St Tudno's Rd which crosses the tram tracks leading to Marine Drive via the church and zig zag rather than going up the Orme via Old Rd.

Sort of.   I mean going up the road next to the Empire Hotel and then turning left just after the tram half way station and going past the church and the toilets and the Rectory Tea Gardens that are no more.  OK?   WWW
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Post by: Nemesis on August 22, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
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I'm wondering if Yorkie means St Tudno's Rd which crosses the tram tracks leading to Marine Drive via the church and zig zag rather than going up the Orme via Old Rd.

Sort of.   I mean going up the road next to the Empire Hotel and then turning left just after the tram half way station and going past the church and the toilets and the Rectory Tea Gardens that are no more.  OK?   WWW

Surely you mean right Yorkie!
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Post by: Yorkie on August 22, 2012, 07:46:41 PM
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Surely you mean right Yorkie!

Of course I do!   I was just wondering if anyone was actually paying attention!  Obviously you are the only one that was!   CONGRATULATIONS!    Z**
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Post by: Fester on August 23, 2012, 12:42:15 AM
Just for clarity, Yorkie is of course referring to Ty Gwyn Road.... the only legally free way to drive to the Orme summit.
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Post by: Nemesis on August 23, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
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Surely you mean right Yorkie!

Of course I do!   I was just wondering if anyone was actually paying attention!  Obviously you are the only one that was!   CONGRATULATIONS!    Z**

Oooh ta !!! :twoface:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blongb on August 24, 2012, 03:40:49 PM
Whilst were on the subject of going up the Orme, one of the most overlooked ways of getting there apart from walking, is to use our local taxi's. From the Rank on Gloddaeth Street to the summit is 1.35 miles on the meter with 4 in the cab it's cheaper than the Bus. Unless of course you’re all doddering old farts, like me and you use your Welsh Bus Pass  $walesflag$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on August 24, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
There are a significant and growing number of Taxi drivers who either REFUSE to take passengers up The Great Orme, or do it begrudgingly.   I know this from first hand experience!
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Post by: DaveR on August 24, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
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There are a significant and growing number of Taxi drivers who either REFUSE to take passengers up The Great Orme, or do it begrudgingly.   I know this from first hand experience!
Maybe it's just YOU?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2012, 11:28:19 PM
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There are a significant and growing number of Taxi drivers who either REFUSE to take passengers up The Great Orme, or do it begrudgingly.   I know this from first hand experience!
Maybe it's just YOU?

 _))*    I just drive up it, effortless!  ^*^0
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Post by: Fester on August 24, 2012, 11:29:44 PM
Dave, I know what you are referring to, but no.... I have asked several drivers about this recently.
Many admit to 'avoiding' that particular job.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
40 odd years ago drivers were saying driving up the Orme wore out clutches and gearboxes etc! not to mention using a lot more fuel, makes the job uneconomic for taxis probably.
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Post by: Paddy on August 25, 2012, 06:18:18 AM
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40 odd years ago drivers were saying driving up the Orme wore out clutches and gearboxes etc! not to mention using a lot more fuel, makes the job uneconomic for taxis probably.

You're quite right ME. Driving up the Orme does use more fuel but driving down the Orme doesn't use any fuel.

A round trip from the Gloddaeth St rank to, for example, Fester's house is less than a mile for a full fare. I would do it all day long.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on August 25, 2012, 07:58:13 AM
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but driving down the Orme doesn't use any fuel.

In modern cars, with air-con, power braking and power steering, it does use fuel. The one exception is a hybrid with regenerative braking.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on August 25, 2012, 09:37:07 AM
Under the terms of their Hackney Carriage Licence, I didn't think drivers could refuse to to take you to a particular destination?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on August 25, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
Alot of this is lack of confidence, not the taxis obviously, butI often see people teetering about on the hill, either up or down, looking scared stiff. Many have no idea of clutch control, thus I never come up close to anyone at Black Gate when the lights are at red.
Thurs this week some eejit held up the service bus, Wilson's bus and a queue of drivers both up and down, when we eventually got moving he came past red in the face and sweating. One woman said to me as we waited Can't I pop on there? I said feel free-- just mind the tram, the road is only wide enough for one vehicle at a time. She didn't go !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Cambrian on August 25, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Might be wrong but I am sure I have read somewhere that the Hackney Carriage rates include a supplement for going beyond a certain point up the Orme. If a Hackney driver refuses a fare without good reason he can be reported to the Council. Private hire is different and they probably can refuse.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: snowcap on August 25, 2012, 11:37:22 PM
one day last week the No19 bus had to back down the hill because some irresponsible driver in a red four wheel drive jeep had parked up that far from the pavement the bus could not get through, a lot avoid the trip up because of the tightness of the road before the lights due to the parked cars.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blongb on August 26, 2012, 01:14:52 AM
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one day last week the No19 bus had to back down the hill because some irresponsible driver in a red four wheel drive jeep had parked up that far from the pavement the bus could not get through, a lot avoid the trip up because of the tightness of the road before the lights due to the parked cars.

With yellow lines in abundance around the town does it seem strange to anyone else that on the narrowest part of Ty Gwyn Hill they are mysteriously missing, causing the traffic flow mayhem mentioned above. There’s something else about yellow lines on the Orme that doesn’t add up. On the entrance to Ty Gwyn Road and Tan Yr Ogof Road from Church Walks they fail to comply with the Road Traffic Act. On the East side going down Church Walks they comply but not on the West side going up they don’t. Neither lines coming out of Tan Yr Ogof Road comply. So if ever your stuck for somewhere to Park when you come up this end of Town doing your shopping you now know where to leave the car.
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Post by: Yorkie on August 26, 2012, 08:42:39 AM
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With yellow lines in abundance around the town does it seem strange to anyone else that on the narrowest part of Ty Gwyn Hill they are mysteriously missing, causing the traffic flow mayhem .

Didn't a couple of Town and County Councillors live in one of the houses?   ;)
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Post by: Blongb on August 26, 2012, 02:57:27 PM
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With yellow lines in abundance around the town does it seem strange to anyone else that on the narrowest part of Ty Gwyn Hill they are mysteriously missing, causing the traffic flow mayhem .

Didn't a couple of Town and County Councillors live in one of the houses?   ;)

Your right again Yorkie and possibly a Masonic connection for the other one's. One rule for them and the sticky end of the stick for the rest of us  :-}}}
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Post by: SDQ on August 26, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
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With yellow lines in abundance around the town does it seem strange to anyone else that on the narrowest part of Ty Gwyn Hill they are mysteriously missing, causing the traffic flow mayhem .

Didn't a couple of Town and County Councillors live in one of the houses?   ;)

Your right again Yorkie and possibly a Masonic connection for the other one's. One rule for them and the sticky end of the stick for the rest of us  :-}}}


Seeing as you're both so happy to make such allegations why don't you enlighten the rest of us by going into more detail.
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Post by: Yorkie on August 26, 2012, 06:27:26 PM
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Seeing as you're both so happy to make such allegations why don't you enlighten the rest of us by going into more detail.

First, I cannot see that I have made any allegation against anyone.

Secondly, have a look at the Register of Councillors for both Llandudno TC and CCBC and you will find the names and addresses of all Councillors.  You may have to go back a few years.

Thirdly, PM me your correct name and address and I will answer your concerns directly.   I will not send to any anonymous individual.

I have no knowledge of any Masonic connection with either case mentioned and did not make such suggestion.

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Post by: Blongb on August 26, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
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Seeing as you're both so happy to make such allegations why don't you enlighten the rest of us by going into more detail.

I have no knowledge of any Masonic connection with either case mentioned.

Sorry Yorkie if I caused confusion, the masonic connection was only a possibility with the yellow lines at the bottom of the hill. Like you I know of no masonic connection with our Town or County Councillors who may or may not live up the Orme, nor was I trying to imply one.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2012, 07:20:13 PM
Masonic double yellow lines...whatever next!  :laugh:
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Post by: Yorkie on August 26, 2012, 07:44:03 PM
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Masonic double yellow lines...whatever next!  :laugh:

They keep the Masonic Yellow Lines secret!

Got red Yellow Lines in the Smoke and blue ones in Portugal.   _))*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on August 26, 2012, 10:18:50 PM
Absolute Bank Holiday mayhem again today on Ty Gwyn Road at about 5pm. Cars etc lined up from BlackGate lights half way up the hill and by the look of the traffic that came through the lights going up the hill when some obstruction was removed they must have been lined all the way down to the Empire. A helpful local resident ! from Black gate was directing traffic down Old Road once the trams were clear but nobody seemed to  take any notice of him. There's a yellow "enter this only if your exit is clear"box at Black Gate that most drivers regard as "please put your car here" box.  Re double yellow lines. There are planning notices stuck to lamp posts suggesting that more double yellow lines are about to be painted down Ty Gwyn Road and parts of Llwynon Road. Even if they managed to remove cars from that area to paint them, the existing double yellow lines are completely ignored anyway so I can't see they will make a lot of difference.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Paddy on August 27, 2012, 05:31:09 AM
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Might be wrong but I am sure I have read somewhere that the Hackney Carriage rates include a supplement for going beyond a certain point up the Orme.

Cambrian, we used to be able to charge 10p extra per passenger to carry them "to a point on, or above, Plas Road." But because so few of us actually made the charge it was scrapped by the Council about 15 years ago.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on September 11, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
Just been on the Orme with the dog and was amazed to see a new sign on the gated lane leading to the Roman Well.
Covered in CBC logos it is pink and shows a picture of a fairy. The wording is

" There is no such thing as the dog poo fairy"

Clear up after your dog and place the bag in a bin-- or words to that effect.

Considering the volume of sheep, goat and any other poo on the path, grass and everywhere I find this sign rather odd.
Naturally dog owners will bag it and bin it if their dog performs on the path, but particularly on there, one would have a job to search among all the other piles to find an individual one. My dog is never off the lead, but I was passed by at least two more which were running free.
At least there is now a bin which will hopefully stop the brigade who bag said poo and leave the bag anywhere and everywhere.

Still on the Orme--- perhaps a bin at the top of the concrete tracks would be an idea????? The volume of litter up there on Saturday morning was awful.
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Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2012, 02:54:04 PM
This is part of a new CCBC inititiative in which piles of dog poo with be spray painted pink. Am I joking...No, I'm not!
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Post by: Nemesis on September 11, 2012, 03:07:18 PM
OMG What's that going to look like?
Also who is going to analyse and differentiate between one poo and another?
You and I ,as ratepayers, are financing this ridiculous waste of money.
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Post by: Fester on September 11, 2012, 11:37:36 PM
Agreed....  pray tell, what is this initiative meant to achieve?

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Post by: Nemesis on September 12, 2012, 08:24:57 AM
Not a thing-- the people who leave these nasty deposits aren't going to take notice of people spraying them pink. The 'paint sprayers' would be better slapping fines on the offending dog owners.

Addendum:-

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/09/12/private-firm-brought-in-to-crack-down-on-dog-fouling-in-conwy-55578-31815901/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/09/12/private-firm-brought-in-to-crack-down-on-dog-fouling-in-conwy-55578-31815901/)

Today in the Daily Post
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on September 12, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
What upsets me is when people bag up the dog poo and THEN leave it!   :o
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Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2012, 08:41:06 AM
Yes I agree there Blodyn, at least any offending 'lumps' are washed away when we have heavy rain if they aren't swathed in plastic.
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Post by: Jack on September 13, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
Interesting that the Forestry Commission on the information boards at the entrance to their woodlands encourage dog owners to 'stick and flick' dog poo off paths and tracks into the undergrowth rather than pick it up.  This was because too many people were picking it up and then leaving plastic bags of poo around which was unable to degrade.
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Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2012, 06:17:56 PM
Now that sounds far more sense than employing someone to spray the stuff pink !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 13, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
I have this dog poo problem ever day on my golf course?dog walking area. Or at least I did have because Ive been really ill for the last 4/5 weeks including 12 days in hospital, but Im getting better now.But, the dog poo. Ive been told by dog walkers, well, where can we leave it, theres no boxes anywhere here including child play area. I have tried the Council time and time again on this with no result, just apologies, we will send a man to see you. No man, or lady.So I am happy something is happening. Mike
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Post by: Tosh on September 13, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
Most of the time the offenders are walking their dogs after dark.
Now that the nights are closing in we can look forward to those little piles most mornings particularly in Penrhyn Bay.
I wonder if the next time they walk that way they think, "oh dear my dog did that last night, I feel really bad about that I mustn't let it happen again, shall I pick it up now"
I don't think so because it is a case of out of sight out of mind.

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Post by: hollins on September 13, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
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Or at least I did have because Ive been really ill for the last 4/5 weeks including 12 days in hospital, but Im getting better now.

So sorry to hear that you have been ill Mike. I hope you will make a good recovery.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 13, 2012, 09:01:51 PM
THANKS HOLLINS. I  Am feeling a lot better, not out of the wood yet but i can see the light mike



















Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on September 13, 2012, 09:25:35 PM
Not out of the 'wood' Mike?
A golfing pun?   Nice to see you back on here, sorry to hear you were ill.
Even if you do 'Putter' brave face on it!

You have only missed two major things, Dave R selfishly switched off the PM system,  and we reached a consensus that the Lunar landings never actually happened.   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
Hope you will soon be feeling 'chipper' again Mike
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Post by: snowcap on September 14, 2012, 12:53:21 AM
hope it,s only a temporary blip mike, or how do i get rid of these darn golf balls i keep  finding.
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Post by: Ian on September 14, 2012, 07:31:30 AM
Good to have you back, Mike.
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Post by: Michael on September 14, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
 >>>Thanks to all my well wishes. I am getting out and around a bit but I haven't  chanced driving yet--- one of my daughters is doing it for me. I've been driving for 70 years and this is my first long spell of non driving. Mike
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Post by: Fester on September 14, 2012, 09:20:51 PM
Not 'Driving' Mike?    Yet another golf pun!  Well done...  :golf:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on September 15, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Back on my 'hobby horse'.
I walked this morning from the road by the 1/2 way station over the hill as far as the top of the ski slope and back. The paths were full of sheep/goat droppings, but very little in the way of dog poo. In fact I only spotted 2 lots and it wasn't bright pink !! :o
I stopped on my way down in the car and took a pic of the notice by the car park above St. Tudno's. The other pic. is an example of the state of the path I took. Hope you aren't eating when you look at this ! :twoface:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on September 15, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
I wonder what's causing that ! Taken early yesterday morning. The other 2/3rds of the flock had moved on by the time we got the camera out.

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on September 15, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
OMG We are being invaded ! It is usually goats that come rambling down the slopes!. There seem to be alot more sheep loose ( literally) around the Orme that we have had before.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 15, 2012, 06:07:08 PM
Surely it cannot be as bad as three years ago. I've had very little trouble on the golf all summer this year mike
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blodyn on October 03, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
On Sunday I watched a bit of the cycle race around the Great Orme.  I haven't seen any other mention of it on the Forum but apologies if I missed it.   The race was organised by Rhos on Sea cycling club in aid of Ty Gobaith and seemed to have attracted a good entry, with various classes.  The junior and ladies classes might have got around before the rain but it was very windy - I wouldn't have chosen to cycle round then.  The men's race had horizontal rain to contend with as well and from the torn clothing and bodies it was evident that a number had come off. 

Here are some photos taken from the bottom of the hairpins road.  Not brilliant photos - where was DaveR (sheltering in a cafe or photographing attractive young ladies?).  The photos don't really show how bad the conditions were, so congratulations to everyone who took part. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on October 03, 2012, 11:24:48 PM
With regard to the cycle race.
On the previous day, I witnessed a hilarious event.

Just by The Grand Hotel, there were a group of cyclists whizzing down the road, and a car driver got completely baffled by them flying past either side of him.
So, he stopped abruptly, (possibly worried that he might run them down?)....he wound down his window, and hurled a load of expletives a them.   They returned the abuse.

I laughed to myself, but I laughed a lot louder when I saw the driver's dog-collar..... and I realised he was A VICAR!

Priceless.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DVT on October 05, 2012, 11:43:21 AM
North Wales Car Club is running a Press Day for the forthcoming Cambrian Rally - this will take place on the Marine Drive next Thursday (11th) with the road closed to the public from 10am to 2.30pm, thanks to Conwy Council.  There will be several rally cars taking guests for rides - we will be using the road in the wrong direction - from Rest and Be Thankful back to the North Shore tollgate.

The Cambrian Rally itself is on Saturday 20th October with the Orme stage taking place from 4.45pm - at the moment we have received 140 entries with competitors from such places as Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Jamaica, South Africa and Venezuela!!!

The event will start from the Prom (near the Cenotaph) from 8am with the first car due back about 4.45pm.  The event is the final round of a number of rally championships and, in addition to the foreign drivers, has attracted entries from all parts of the UK.

This is the 57th Cambrian Rally, having an unbroken run of being organised every year since 1956 - a record for any British club rally we are very proud of!

Spectators welcome and there are some added attractions planned for the Prom.  Programmes will also be on sale, proceeds to charities.  Rally HQ at the St George.

Further info available on www.cambrianrally.co.uk (http://www.cambrianrally.co.uk)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on October 06, 2012, 12:35:31 AM
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...where was DaveR (sheltering in a cafe or photographing attractive young ladies?).
Having a rest from the latter...really wears you out. ;)
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Post by: Blodyn on October 21, 2012, 10:31:57 PM
It's getting to the time of year when I'm more likely to see sunrises.  Here's this morning's sunrise at St. Tudno's, also a nice view from Haulfre Gardens.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 22, 2012, 07:27:59 AM
 $cool$ nice pics!
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Post by: Blodyn on October 22, 2012, 06:13:07 PM
That's very kind, ME.  It's hard to go wrong with such beautiful views.   $thanx$
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
Blodyn sounds like DaveR in a broken down factory----with a living addition. Mike
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Post by: Nemesis on October 23, 2012, 08:31:20 AM
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Blodyn sounds like DaveR in a broken down factory----with a living addition. Mike

?????
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Post by: Yorkie on October 23, 2012, 09:39:38 AM
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Blodyn sounds like DaveR in a broken down factory----with a living addition. Mike

?????

I think it's a reference to the Ferodo Factory pics!  But still a puzzle!   ;)
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Post by: Fester on October 23, 2012, 11:54:37 PM
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Blodyn sounds like DaveR in a broken down factory----with a living addition. Mike

Have a little drink last night? Did we Mike?  ?{}?
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Post by: DaveR on October 24, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
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Blodyn sounds like DaveR in a broken down factory----with a living addition. Mike

Have a little drink last night? Did we Mike?  ?{}?
I read Mike's comment several times...but still couldn't make head nor tail of it..  &shake&
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Post by: Blodyn on October 24, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
I'm puzzled, too!  Is there a compliment in there - if so, to whom!!   ;D
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Post by: DaveR on October 24, 2012, 01:59:50 PM
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I'm puzzled, too!  Is there a compliment in there - if so, to whom!!   ;D
It's a mystery to me...  :laugh:
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Post by: Blodyn on November 16, 2012, 04:33:47 PM
Here are some versions of my favourite view from the Great Orme, taken with my new camera.  The first one is as the view appeared to the eye and the next two with a couple of the camera's "art filters".  I don't have photoshop, so it's interesting to see what the camera will do itself.
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Post by: Ian on November 16, 2012, 07:16:11 PM
That last one is very evocative. 
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Post by: Michael on November 16, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
   I looked at this thread today and the three great pictures. But then I scrolled back and saw there was a good few replies to a post I made about five or six weeks ago.I had never read them before today.
   Sorry for not replying to you all. All I meant was "Its hard to go wrong with such beautiful views" --- just a stupid joke of a kind --- meaning I thought DaveR had beautiful views with his attractive lady models. And the factory was the one by Caernarfon.
    Looking back on it it wasent very funny at all, and it must have been poor because no one could understand it. The nearest was Fester who hinted at my taking too much alcohol. I dont recall that night, but, who knows, Fester you may be right  Mike
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Post by: Blodyn on November 19, 2012, 10:03:51 AM
Thanks for your kind comments, Ian and Mike.

Mike don't worry about your previous post - your comment kept us guessing but was obviously too cryptic for us!   ;D

Here's another picture from the Great Orme, with the autumn sunshine lighting up the path.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 25, 2012, 04:05:52 PM
Great pic Blodyn!

Around Marine Drive today we saw this strange sight!  :o

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1000846.jpg)

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1000847.jpg)

seems very dangerous to me!

Then we had a look at the new house recently built, to me not a thing of beauty!

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1000848.jpg)
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Post by: Yorkie on November 25, 2012, 04:10:10 PM
And CCBC are concerned bout a few plastic windows!  The mind boggles yet again.

Or it it a sign of things to come?   $walesflag$
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 25, 2012, 04:19:24 PM
I can't understand how anything looking like that got planning permission  :o  it hardly fits in with the other properties and looks like it has had about 3 homemade extensions already!

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1000849.jpg)
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Post by: Yorkie on November 25, 2012, 04:39:15 PM
Money talks!    WWW

Wouldn't even make a half decent pigeon loft!   ;)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 25, 2012, 04:43:11 PM
My shed and pigeon house look much better than that!  WWW
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Post by: Cordyline on November 25, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
This photo on Tuesday from Happy Valley
The gardens look in good shape

(http://i47.tinypic.com/24pa2vd.jpg)
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Post by: Hugo on November 25, 2012, 10:56:13 PM
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I can't understand how anything looking like that got planning permission  :o  it hardly fits in with the other properties and looks like it has had about 3 homemade extensions already!

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1000849.jpg)

That's not a new Bungalow, I was looking at a plot of land near to it nearly 40 years ago.   The bungalow was then a 4 bedroom property and was up for sale at £45K.     The original bungalow was the bit on the left of the photo and the bits on the right are extensions completed in recent years.   
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 25, 2012, 11:05:36 PM
I must have been distracted by the car towing the skateboarder! I was looking to see the new build at the time!  :laugh:  mind you those extensions still don't  look quite right.
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Post by: Nemesis on November 26, 2012, 08:45:47 AM
Apart from the green lawns it could be mistaken for cow sheds !
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Post by: Yorkie on November 26, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Maybe it was a trial attempt for that abomination on Colwyn Bay promenade!   ZXZ
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Post by: Nemesis on November 27, 2012, 09:02:08 AM
Passed that ( abomination) on Sunday! What ever are they thinking?
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Post by: Blodyn on November 28, 2012, 09:54:57 AM
There's a nice, clear view of the Isle of Man from the Great Orme today. 
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Post by: Blongb on November 28, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
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There's a nice, clear view of the Isle of Man from the Great Orme today.

Next time you get a clear day like today Blodyn look just off the southern end of the I O M and see if you can make out the tops of the Mountains of Mourne over in County Down. I have seen them once in 15 years of looking from up on the track that goes up the Orme just after Rest and be Thankful
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Post by: Hugo on November 29, 2012, 07:55:21 PM
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There's a nice, clear view of the Isle of Man from the Great Orme today.

I was able to see the Isle of Man today from my house in Colwyn Bay and Cumbria was visible too. It looked like there had been a good snowfall in the Lake District.
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Post by: Cordyline on December 29, 2012, 04:10:07 PM
That's my Christmas present sorted

Conwy Council sure do answer emails and post very quickly

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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 29, 2012, 07:43:18 PM
Well worth getting, mine covers 3 cars and you can park for free at the summit!  D)
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Post by: norman08 on December 29, 2012, 09:13:11 PM
WOW i remember the good old days when you parked for nothin no wonder not many ormites left up there
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Post by: Yorkie on December 29, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
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WOW i remember the good old days when you parked for nothin no wonder not many ormites left up there

Or items go free all the time.   :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 17, 2013, 05:26:15 PM
Just had a nice drive around Marine Drive when half way between the cafe and the West shore, we met this clown driving very slowly the wrong way!

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/DSCN0261_zpsa1d8f6f4.jpg)

I could not believe it so took his picture as he had stopped, I informed him that it was one way (strongly worded!) and he said if I'd known you were taking my picture I would have smiled! I said it does not matter as I'd be sending it to the Police! He muttered something about the signs at the start of the one way, so I had a look...

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/DSCN0262_zps01671267.jpg)

The signs look clear enough to me! If he could not see those then he should not be driving! hopefully his other half in the car gave him an ear bashing!
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Post by: Michael on February 17, 2013, 05:38:52 PM
    I think the number plate on his car says it all.  I imagine he is proud to display   "SCOUSE NUT" Mike
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Post by: Ian on February 17, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
In summer about six cars a day go round he doing way. 
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 17, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
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In summer about six cars a day go round he doing way.

Yet nothing is ever done about it, seems mad to me!
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Post by: Fester on February 17, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
''.......hopefully his other half in the car gave him an ear bashing!''

Oh, Merddin, I would say that was a given... whether or not she even noticed his dodgy driving.

Isn't that what wives were put on this Earth for?   :laugh:
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Post by: Bellringer on February 17, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
A couple of weeks ago, I met a lorry going the wrong way on that stretch.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 17, 2013, 09:33:05 PM
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    I think the number plate on his car says it all.  I imagine he is proud to display   "SCOUSE NUT" Mike

 :laugh:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DVT on February 17, 2013, 10:04:28 PM
This morning there was a black car driving the wrong way between the bottom of the zig-zags and Rest & Be Thankful ... with permission of the authorities.  We were surveying the route for the forthcoming Three Castles Classic Rally (6th to 8th June) and needed to do the measurements for the road book.

I was stationed at the bottom of the zig-zags to warn other users that they would meet a slow-moving black car with roof hazard lights.  Everyone was very friendly and appreciated knowing what we were up to!  No problems were encountered, we were there less than 30 minutes.

The only complaint I received was from an elderly pedestrian walking the "wrong way" who was almost hit from behind by a cyclist also going the wrong way round - the pedestrian wanted to know why I hadn't stopped the cyclist continuing on towards the toll gate - ignoring the No Entry signs as well!

I was surprised just how busy the Marine Drive was at 10.30am !

I have no idea who the occupants of the blue car are, what they was doing or why they were going the wrong way ... a bit naughty of Ormegolf to suggest they're Scouse - that's a Scottish registration number!

PS you may see the black car driving on the Prom this week - again doing the necessary work for the Classic Rally - all done with permission of the authorities, at 5mph walking pace and with hazard lights on - that's slower and more visible than cyclists!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on February 18, 2013, 08:20:27 AM
Marine Drive is a Private Toll Road and has been since the late 1800's, date is on North Toll House.
As far as I am aware no powers have been given to CCBC who operate the Toll to raise any form of action to those who transgress.   The first part of the West end is an "unofficial" two way for residents on that part of the Drive.   Despite the number of cars travelling the wrong way, I have never heard of any accident being caused.  The Rally Boys are the ones who destroy the walls in various places!
 :D

From about 17 yards up the Zig zag road it is a public road.
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Post by: martin on February 18, 2013, 01:49:46 PM
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    I think the number plate on his car says it all.  I imagine he is proud to display   "SCOUSE NUT" Mike
I read the number plate differently, to me it is more likely a Scottish person, or should I say, (just to annoy them), Scotch person!
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Post by: Michael on February 18, 2013, 03:26:13 PM
When anyone gets an obscure number plate anyone looking at it has to guess at what is meant. Some are obviously more obscure than others.
Can we agree though that the last bit , nut, might be correct.  P.s. sorry I've upset touchy scousers
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Post by: Tosh on February 18, 2013, 04:13:20 PM
Not necessarily Scottish owned at the moment, we had two cars originally registered in Scotland and both were purchased from a garage in Junction.
I think that SA to SM is Western Scotland and SN to SZ is Eastern Scotland.
Just as CA to CM is South Wales and CN to CZ is North Wales. (approximately)
You find that Scottish cars particularly from the east have quite a lot of underside corrosion due to the fact that they use a heck of a lot more salt on the roads up there, or so I was told anyway.
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Post by: martin on February 18, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
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When anyone gets an obscure number plate anyone looking at it has to guess at what is meant. Some are obviously more obscure than others.
Can we agree though that the last bit , nut, might be correct.  P.s. sorry I've upset touchy scousers
I agree, personally, I cannot see the point of having a personalised number plate, but each to their own. 
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Post by: DaveR on February 18, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
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Just had a nice drive around Marine Drive when half way between the cafe and the West shore, we met this clown driving very slowly the wrong way!
Will he get charged the Toll when he gets to Happy Valley Tollhouse?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 07:06:34 PM
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Just had a nice drive around Marine Drive when half way between the cafe and the West shore, we met this clown driving very slowly the wrong way!
Will he get charged the Toll when he gets to Happy Valley Tollhouse?

As he's gone the wrong way round, he may expect them to pay him!   :laugh:
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 07:16:04 PM
Look's like it is the original plate for the car, I was quite surprised to see that it is taxed!!

Vehicle enquiry
The enquiry is complete.
The vehicle details for SC05 XUT are:
Date of Liability   01 07 2013
Date of First Registration   08 08 2005
Year of Manufacture   2005
Cylinder Capacity (cc)   1598cc
CO2 Emissions   181g/Km
Fuel Type   PETROL
Export Marker   N
Vehicle Status   Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour   BLUE
Vehicle Type Approval   M1
Vehicle Excise Duty rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate   £118.25
12 Months Rate   £215.00
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To make another enquiry go to Vehicle Enquiry
 
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 07:18:49 PM
It's insured too! Amazing!
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Post by: martin on February 18, 2013, 07:26:10 PM
Where do you go to get that information ME?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
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Where do you go to get that information ME?


Vehicle check at DVLA and for the insurance, Askmid  $good$

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Post by: martin on February 18, 2013, 08:09:46 PM
Thanks ME, I had no idea you could get this sort of information. $thanx$
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Post by: Michael on February 18, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
  M E remind me not 2 do anything naughty on the roads when you are around LOL Mike
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Post by: Fester on February 18, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
Look, I don't want to turn this into some kind of witch hunt,,, but,

I want to know who he is, his exact address, what the hell he thinks he is playing at and what he intends to do about it!

 L0L L0L :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
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  M E remind me not 2 do anything naughty on the roads when you are around LOL Mike

Mike, no worries  :laugh:  being serious, the Police are paranoid about speeding yet it seems going the wrong way against obvious signs saying no entry is ok?  It's a touchy subject for us as almost ten years ago we were involved in a head on crash, both vehicles doing around 55mph, they came on to our side of the road sideways! A miracle we survived really! Yet the police did not even prosecute the other driver! Her insurance company had to give us a large payout though!
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 18, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
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Look, I don't want to turn this into some kind of witch hunt,,, but,

I want to know who he is, his exact address, what the hell he thinks he is playing at and what he intends to do about it!

 L0L L0L :laugh: :laugh:

I could tell you, but who knows who is listening?  aaa.gif.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2013, 07:48:06 AM
Quote
the Police are paranoid about speeding yet it seems going the wrong way against obvious signs saying no entry is ok?

I'm guessing - for the reasons Yorkie suggested - this is a grey area, legally. For example, the no entry signs on various entrances around the Mostyn Champneys car park almost certainly have no power in Law, although if you ignored one and then had a bump it would probably work against you in insurance terms.  As the Marine Drive is a private road, it possibly has little more status in law than a private car park, although the definition of what constitutes a public road is also not totally clear. All in all, then, it's probably wise to drive very slowly around some of the trickier bends on the Marine Drive, unless you fancy becoming a test case :-))
Title: Snow on the Orme
Post by: Nemesis on March 27, 2013, 12:00:35 PM
Has anyone any news or pictures to do with  the fact that the Orme is still closed and that it is said that a snowplough is stuck somewhere near the lighthouse?
Title: Re: Snow on the Orme
Post by: Ian on March 27, 2013, 12:02:44 PM
There's no snowplough, but there were two cars stuck in a four foot drift.  Road is still closed, until the road clears.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on March 27, 2013, 01:23:19 PM
Thanks for the info Ian-- did find some pics on Llandudno Daily pics.
http://llandudnopictures.wordpress.com/ (http://llandudnopictures.wordpress.com/)
Monday's pic appears to show the road after the cafe.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on March 27, 2013, 03:24:44 PM
i drove around this afternoon,no signs from the church saying the road was blocked,it was a give away meeting cars coming the wrong way,but sure enough you get to that corner after the rest and be thankful and there is noway your getting past,funny there are no signs at the bottom of the zig zag saying the road is blocked(or closed),i never thought i would ever come around the orme the wrong way.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: cygnusx-1 on March 28, 2013, 10:17:42 PM
A couple of shots of the blockage. The journey on 25/03/13 was done up the tram tracks then down the zig zags and up to the cafe which is open from 10.00am every day apart from that day!

No signs apart from cars coming back to the zig zag road.........the drift was about 15 inches deep in the road.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on March 29, 2013, 08:04:05 AM
It was cleared using shovels by the Cafe owners on Wednesday night.  Conwy had stated that the snow plough couldn't clear it as it was a massive block of ice.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DVT on March 29, 2013, 01:57:37 PM
This is the Marine Drive back in 1979, taken just a bit further round than the above pic - I was clerk-of-the-course on the Cambrian Rally and had to cancel the event on the Saturday morning as the Orme was blocked, and routes through the forests were impassable.  This was taken later that morning.

Date of the event ... 17th March, so almost the same week as things are happening now.  I don't remember it ever being closed since for snow, until now.

It snowed for the 1980 Cambrian Rally as well, but only in the forests, and that was on 15th March!

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on March 29, 2013, 07:56:16 PM
Dec 1978 and Jan/Feb 1979 was a bad period for snow. I was stuck time and time again
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on June 16, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
At about the centre of a triangle drawn between the Half-way tram station, the Mine entrances and the upper-tram crossing section there are three wooden structures, recently created, that appear to be made to support something heavy. Anyone know anything about them?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on June 16, 2013, 12:59:37 PM
Bringing cables ashore from the wind ranch, maybe.  There are a few yellow marking around also, that seem to head offshore.  Just my guess!   ;)
Title: Campers on the Orme
Post by: Jazz on July 12, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
Who do I contact about campers on the Orme. The pictures show some of the debris they left on Maes y Facrell/Penn y Gogarth.
They camped in view of the half way station. I asked them take there rubbish with them without much luck.
Title: Re: Campers on the Orme
Post by: Nemesis on July 12, 2013, 02:39:49 PM
cg.cs@conwy.gov.uk
01492 874151
Sally Pidcock is the Country Park Warden.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Gwynant on July 14, 2013, 12:17:21 PM
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At about the centre of a triangle drawn between the Half-way tram station, the Mine entrances and the upper-tram crossing section there are three wooden structures, recently created, that appear to be made to support something heavy. Anyone know anything about them?
           I was walking on the Orme yesterday and came across the wooden A-Frame structures Ian that has mentioned (see attached photos), and as I passed the Half-way Station I dropped in and asked one of the tram-drivers if he knew what they were. He said he had no idea and hadn't noticed them. Fortunately on the way down I was passing the cromlech and I bumped into Tom Parry, who is the person to ask about regarding anything on (or off!) the Orme and he told me that they are replicas of the "Brammock Rod System" which was used in conjunction with a "Tom and Jerry" engine to drain the copper mines during the Victorian era, and if I Googled  "Tom and Jerry" (and disregarded the Disney info!) it would tell me all I wanted to know about them and also a thread from that site onto the G.O.E.S website will describe the workings, which it does very well. He said an Information board is due  be erected there in the near future.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on July 14, 2013, 12:57:41 PM
You met the right person when you met Tom Parry,  he's the one to ask if you want to know anything about Llandudno.    $good$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on July 14, 2013, 03:15:05 PM
Thank you, G.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: hollins on July 14, 2013, 03:20:57 PM
Yes, thanks Gwynant for the interesting info. How satisfying to solve the puzzle.
Title: Signs on the Orme.
Post by: Michael on February 11, 2014, 08:23:33 PM
  I see there is a new sign on the road down from the halfway station of the Orme Railway that joins onto the Marine Drive. A good proper sign which has cost a good lot of money to erect..
   It says "Toll road ahead." Then shows the charges. Then "No turning back after this point."
   Seeing as this road has been free for the last two or three years because there has never been anyone manning the pay booth, does this mean that the Council now intend to put someone there to collect the cash?
Title: Re: Signs on the Orme.
Post by: Yorkie on February 11, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
They have removed the Toll Collector's hut at the bottom of the zig zag road.  There are places to turn round so the no turning back is irrelevant.   It cannot be turned into a one way road!

Maybe they are going to reintroduce charges as many people avoid the toll by driving up the road from the Empire Hotel.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Signs on the Orme.
Post by: Cordyline on February 11, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
That's the way we usually drive onto the Orme; up the road near the Empire
Although I do have an annual permit for the toll road, still only £15 and that includes parking at the summit

Surprised that they've kept the same colour (blue) for the windscreen disc;  the Toll-man never scrutinises it
Title: Re: Signs on the Orme.
Post by: Yorkie on February 12, 2014, 09:20:19 AM
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That's the way we usually drive onto the Orme; up the road near the Empire
Although I do have an annual permit for the toll road, still only £15 and that includes parking at the summit

Surprised that they've kept the same colour (blue) for the windscreen disc;  the Toll-man never scrutinises it

The Annual Season Ticket is very good value.  If you have a relative interred in the Cemetery you can get a Cemetery Pass ABSOLUTELY FREE!  Although it is primarily to visit the Cemetery many use it for just driving round.  The Cemetery Pass is, or was, available wherever you live, not just for Llandudno residents.  The Annual Season Ticket is only available to Locals.

The Toll Attendants have eyes like hawks and can recognise a pass at 20 paces!  They also get familiar with the vehicles and drivers.  I have not shown my Cemetery Pass for a year or so since there was the last change of staff.

Certainly the best value in town!   :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on February 12, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
   That sounds typical. They take the toll keepers hut away. Then, in view of the new sign, two years later decide to start charging again.
   I found it necessary to have a word in the ear of one of the toll keepers last summer. On certain Sat-Navs if you are on the prom in Llandudno and you search the postcode for my golf course it sends you past the tollgate, up the road past the cemetery and left after you cross the tram track. The first I know about it is when some annoyed golfers arrive claiming they have had to pay a toll to get to me.
   I just asked the toll keepers to tell any prospective golfers to turn around, right at the island, first right and off you go, but, correctly, they pointed out that how would they know the passengers wanted to get to me. Fair point I suppose.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 12, 2014, 11:03:19 AM
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  The Annual Season Ticket is only available to Locals.

Where can I purchase a season ticket?

When will it be available?

Is it assigned to a specific vehicle or household?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on February 12, 2014, 11:31:30 AM
Ask the toll keeper or ring CCBC on 574000.
You can have more than one car registration on one pass. ( We had 3 at one time.)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Cordyline on February 12, 2014, 12:11:37 PM
Got mine by post from Landudno council
It runs from January 1st. ours is for one vehicle
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 12, 2014, 12:38:34 PM
We have three cars on ours, a bargain!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 12, 2014, 01:12:49 PM
All good answers,

 $thanx$

I did as Nem suggested, phoned 574000 and they put me through to their Parking Department who have agreed to put an application form in the post tonight.




Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on February 12, 2014, 02:03:42 PM
Glad you are sorted Bri. Ours hasn't been used as much this winter, as walking a white dog in the mud around our usual dog walks hasn't been our favorite occupation ! Roll on Spring !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on February 12, 2014, 04:20:24 PM
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I did as Nem suggested, phoned 574000 and they put me through to their Parking Department who have agreed to put an application form in the post tonight.

Despite the Council's generous attitude to the use of Marine Drive it has still been the subject to abuse by some Hotel Owners who have "loaned" their Season Ticket to their clients.  This resulted in the vehicle Registration Number being included on the passes a few years ago.  If you change your vehicle the Parking Department will issue a new one for free.

Season Tickets did run from April, but that may have changed.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blongb on February 12, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
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Despite the Council's generous attitude to the use of Marine Drive it has still been the subject to abuse by some Hotel Owners who have "loaned" their Season Ticket to their clients.

I wonder why you have singled out Hotel Owners Yorkie, when the same can be said for any other Season Ticket owner, who are just as capable of lending it to their family and friends. If you know which Hotel Owners were abusing their S T name and shame them.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on February 12, 2014, 09:31:29 PM
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I wonder why you have singled out Hotel Owners Yorkie, when the same can be said for any other Season Ticket owner, who are just as capable of lending it to their family and friends. If you know which Hotel Owners were abusing their S T name and shame them.

You may have missed that the Council acted by taking the action I have stated.  The matter was discovered by drivers stopping at the Toll, and by their words and actions giving away the facts of the situation.  Others may have done it but it was not apparent  or so prevalent.

Of course, it does not now apply with the vehicle registration being on the document.

I was not purposely singling out Hotel Owners, and as it does not now happen (as far as I know) names are not now of any concern.   At the time the matter was dealt with in a discrete manner with those found to be transgressing.

If you are still unhappy with this additional explanation, please make further comment and I will endeavour to quote you Chapter and Verse.
 :D


Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on February 13, 2014, 01:43:56 PM
  My thoughts, naughty naughty lending your go free pass.

  But not half as naughty as the disabled blue badge car owner lending it to their perfectly fit grandson so he can park somewhere naughty whilst he goes to the disco.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 13, 2014, 03:23:55 PM
Well my application form arrived this morning.

I phoned up to double check that the Marine Drive Permit also includes parking on the summit and the nice lady confirmed it did.

As a result, I called into the Town Hall this afternoon, waited for 5 minutes and walked out with my new Permit.  D)

I wonder if it will it be alright to scan a copy for the second specified car.

Does anybody know the answer?

ME?


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Season Tickets did run from April, but that may have changed.
 ZXZ

Yorkie, I asked for mine to start tomorrow.

No problem and it expires on the 13 February 2015.
 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on February 13, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
I have been round The Orme twice today, without a permit, for FREE!

Well, I live nearer to the road near the half-way station than I do to the Toll House.  ;D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on February 13, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
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I have been round The Orme twice today, without a permit, for FREE!

Well, I live nearer to the road near the half-way station than I do to the Toll House.  ;D

Ah!  I forgot to mention residents of the Orme!   :D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2014, 07:34:45 PM
I doubt if they would allow a copy, there is a hologram on it too I think. I think they told me in the past that we could not take two cars round at the same time.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 13, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Thanks ME.

I have just taken a closer look and I have now seen the hologram.

I am surprised CCBC do not provide an accompanying leaflet with the Permit providing all the necessary additional information to assist residents.

I truly would have had no idea about parking on the summit had it not been mentioned on our Forum.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 13, 2014, 09:36:15 PM
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I truly would have had no idea about parking on the summit had it not been mentioned on our Forum.

I think it was here that I heard about the permit in the first place.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Cordyline on February 14, 2014, 09:45:47 AM
Conwy Council always reply to enquiries very promptly
There are some jobs going too
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/index.asp?cat=59&Language=1 (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/index.asp?cat=59&Language=1)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: temperancellandudno on February 20, 2014, 12:25:40 AM
Hello everyone

Oddly, although I live quite a long way away I was in Llandudno today! Didn't go up the Orme today though, although I usually do.

I'm a bit confused. Where is this new road sign? Is it well before the zig zags? And how can the Council collect toll money without a booth?

Very confusing.

Take care, everyone

T
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 08, 2014, 06:51:46 PM
Can anyone explain this sign on Marine Drive? what and where is 'Tonnau' ?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on June 08, 2014, 07:13:37 PM
It is a Freehold property on Marine Drive.  Can be found on a search of Zoopla, the property web site.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 08, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
OK, perhaps it is the property being built right by the sign? I ask as today way past the sign I saw a car coming the wrong way, he said about the sign that I showed on here!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on June 08, 2014, 08:18:17 PM
Quote
OK, perhaps it is the property being built right by the sign? I ask as today way past the sign I saw a car coming the wrong way, he said about the sign that I showed on here!

It's also that time of year...  Some don't read signs, some are incapable of reading signs, some are on holiday so don't think signs apply to them and some just try it on.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on June 08, 2014, 09:18:11 PM
When I worked for CCBC, Marine Drive was part of my responsibility, and I drove the toll road almost every day.  Vehicles coming the wrong way was not unusual and some drivers got quite upset when I made them turn round or reverse a few hundred yards! 

One problem that was highlighted to me, was that some drivers just followed cyclists who constantly went against the correct traffic direction.

One of the worst offenders was someone from the Lighthouse who regularly went the wrong way from the Lighthouse to the Zig- zag Road up to the Halfway Tram Station.   I hasten to add it was NOT the present Lighthouse occupants. 

The traffic flow is not policed and no legal remedy (as far as I know) is available as it is a private road.    ZXZ
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on June 08, 2014, 10:23:15 PM
Just as well the rest and be thankfully hasent got an alcohol licence (as far as I know). Imagine driving from there under the influence down to the west shore toll house and then leaving the car behind
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on June 08, 2014, 11:16:42 PM
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It is a Freehold property on Marine Drive.  Can be found on a search of Zoopla, the property web site.
 ZXZ

It must have changed it's name from Swn Y Mor as the old cottage was the only residence past the no entry sign (apart from the Lighthouse )
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on June 09, 2014, 07:21:55 AM
A coach missed the No Entry signs last year and ended up in a rather panicky state, attempting a three point turn to get back to West Shore.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Blongb on June 09, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
The new owners of Tonnau were moving in as I cycled past last week.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 09, 2014, 07:35:12 PM
Seems like that new sign will cause confusion! The driver of the car I saw told me that the sign said entry allowed to quote "ton oh", he apologised to me and I later saw him reversing back down!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: hollins on August 09, 2014, 04:32:32 PM
A friend has sent me two photos of her Great Orme plate. The image might be of interest, it certainly looks quite bare back then.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on August 09, 2014, 05:01:34 PM
still bare of flowers now lol

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Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: cygnusx-1 on August 09, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
A case of artistic licence.......less detail=more profit.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2014, 10:10:02 PM
It looks like an artists impression of Llandudno, before 1878.....i.e. before the Pier construction.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on August 10, 2014, 12:02:01 AM
It's after 1878 as the Toll House and Marine Drive are there and the Marine Drive wasn't opened until 1878.   The Pier is to the right and out of sight of the photo/painting
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: hollins on August 10, 2014, 08:22:33 AM
The pottery that is likely to have made it is Longpark and they produced these faience wares between 1903 and 1930. That's not to say that they didn't take an earlier image and reproduce that.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on August 10, 2014, 09:41:17 AM
What a shame we don;t have a local potter in town,great buisness to have.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on August 10, 2014, 02:36:44 PM
I still have a number of items of Beddgelert pottery in this browny shade and also green bought in the 1960s-- there doesn't seem to be anything similar now.
http://www.choughstudiopotteryshop.co.uk/choughstudiopotteryshop/prod_1431293-Beddgelert-Pottery-Wales-Vinegar-Cruet-Jug.html (http://www.choughstudiopotteryshop.co.uk/choughstudiopotteryshop/prod_1431293-Beddgelert-Pottery-Wales-Vinegar-Cruet-Jug.html)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 23, 2014, 05:32:29 PM
Police appeal following Great Orme sheep attacks

North Wales Police are appealing for information after two separate incidents involving a sheepdog breed of dog occurred during the last two weeks on the Orme’s Concrete Road area.
The sheep survived the attacks, but both needed treatment for wounds to their legs.
PCSO Chris Perkins said: “The farmer is extremely upset by these nasty attacks, and we are working with him and the Orme warden to establish the circumstances.”
Officers have increased patrols in the area, and are keen to speak to anyone who may have witnessed a dog matching this description around the vicinity.

Anyone with information relating to the attacks is asked to call PCSO Perkins at Llandudno Police Station on 101.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138501/police-appeal-following-great-orme-sheep-attacks.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138501/police-appeal-following-great-orme-sheep-attacks.aspx)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 27, 2014, 10:29:06 AM
Ref. Daily Post.

FIRE SERVICE: Grass fire at Invalids Walk in Llandudno at 8.45am this morning, North Wales Fire & Rescue on the scene.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on September 27, 2014, 11:39:15 AM
Driest September for more than 50 years...
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 27, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
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Driest September for more than 50 years...

No heat in the sun at that time?...Down to a discarded ciggy end,? doesn't much.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 27, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
 Or as likely someone, probably young, on a walk down from Tyn y Coed estate on his/her way to the West Shore and some sort of lighter in his/her pocket. I print his/her on purpose. Certain girls up here are gang leaders.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: norman08 on September 27, 2014, 09:10:57 PM
Wow ormegolf  how do you know it wasn't, a young lad/girl from st David's college out for an early morning jog .
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Dave on September 27, 2014, 10:38:13 PM
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Wow ormegolf  how do you know it wasn't, a young lad/girl from st David's college out for an early morning jog .

Wrong side of town for starters.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 27, 2014, 10:49:46 PM
 Hello Norman08. I dont recall suggesting that I didn't know it was someone from St.Davids College. Like I didn't suggest I knew it wasn't an OAP from Deganwy who hobbled up the hill.
  I wasn't there, so I could never suggest that I KNEW any group who DIDNT do it.
   But I sure as hell can suggest a group that were likely to do it.
Title: Re: The Great Orme /fire Heulfre Gardens
Post by: SteveH on September 28, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Ref.Daily Post  Sunday  10.10AM
BLAZE: Fire fighters from Llandudno are at Heulfre Gardens where an area of gorse and peat are on fire. A north Wales Fire Service spokeswoman said the blaze is deepseated and in a remote location and fire fighters are having to dig the peat out with spades and then beating out the fire.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on September 28, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
Interesting.  Might be a deep seated fire.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 28, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
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Interesting.  Might be a deep seated fire.
I had an incident in the 80's,very small garden fire, I cleared up afterwards, but about a week later, we returned from shopping, to find 100 yards of adjoining roadside verge destroyed, and a very PO fire officer, who warned of the dangers, of fire going "down".
Is this connected to yesterdays grass fire?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on September 28, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
I was wondering that. Deep seated fires can burn, unseen, for weeks, and occasionally emerge. They need only two things: oxygen and fuel.  I didn't know there was a lot of peat on the Orme, but there are lots of clear spaces in the limestone cavities. The lack of rain is worrying, though.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 28, 2014, 01:09:26 PM
"The lack of rain is worrying, though." .....not worrying me... :D
I am waiting to hear what Mike has to say..
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: norman08 on September 28, 2014, 01:15:32 PM
But ormegolf you jumped in and stated  you bet it would have been one of the hooligans from up there, near your 1st tee was the golf shed about 40odd years ago it was bent down   Not by kids off the Orme but it was found to be darlings from well to do families , my way is one should never accuse unless very sure .
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 28, 2014, 01:27:49 PM
Fire officers are asking you to be on the lookout for suspect in Orme blaze incident ....
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on September 28, 2014, 08:51:12 PM
   I think this discussion has got a bit out of hand, so I'm posting this and then, as far as I'm concerned, that is it. There will be no more from me on this subject.
 Steve H posted "Down to a discarded ciggy end?"  Please note the question mark.
  I replied "as likely someone, probably young, on a walk" etc etc.

   That is not accusing anyone or any group. I am not "very sure".

   But I stick by what I said. Just as likely as a ciggy at 9 o'clock in the morning.
 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on September 29, 2014, 07:23:37 AM
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   I think this discussion has got a bit out of hand, so I'm posting this and then, as far as I'm concerned, that is it. There will be no more from me on this subject.
 Steve H posted "Down to a discarded ciggy end?"  Please note the question mark.
  I replied "as likely someone, probably young, on a walk" etc etc.

   That is not accusing anyone or any group. I am not "very sure".

   But I stick by what I said. Just as likely as a ciggy at 9 o'clock in the morning.

Not unless you said it in bold type!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on November 22, 2014, 05:04:04 PM
After devouring our breakfast at the Inglenook Cafe, we decided to go for a walk around the Great Orme to work it off. As we walked around Marine Drive, we were struck by how the peace and tranquility was only being broken by the occasional car, which you could hear coming half a mile before it passed you. I mused to myself about the possibility of closing the Marine Drive to car traffic on certain out of season days, leaving the whole road free for walkers and cyclists to enjoy. Any thoughts on this idea?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on November 22, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
My wife and i had the privilige of having the whole thing to ourselves this year,we decided to take a walk from the West Shore end and passed a landslip,unknown to us behind us CCBC came along and closed the Drive to everything,so we walked around on a beautiful day all alone,very weird experience,but good idea,maybe just the odd landtrain for those who might miss out.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on November 22, 2014, 06:52:24 PM
I think it should be closed to pedestrians, and allow me to drive around it for free, as much as I like, without having to avoid those pesky walkers.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 22, 2014, 07:16:20 PM
I love driving round it as long as everyone apart from pedestrians goes in the same direction!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Bellringer on November 22, 2014, 08:51:02 PM
A bit like going round a roundabout and meeting a vehicle coming the other way! :o
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on May 22, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
Taffy, one of the Royal Welsh Regiment's goats used as a ceremonial mascot, has died.
Officially known as Lance Corporal Gwillam Jenkins, he was descended from a blood line of Royal Regimental Goats which have been on parade since 1777.
The regiment's second mascot, Shenkin, will now be the only goat marching during a parade in Cardiff in June.
Taffy's death means a new kid goat will be selected from a herd on Llandudno's Great Orme and prepared for Army life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-32829048 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-32829048)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: wrex on May 22, 2015, 08:39:31 PM
I will have a look for one while im sitting above the Empire hotel watching the airshow.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: snowcap on May 22, 2015, 09:25:04 PM
there,s a nice black one but I,m not sure if its a nanny or a ram as its just a kid yet
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 26, 2015, 07:58:54 AM
Part of the Great Orme has been bought by the National Trust.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/fancy-slice-picturesque-welsh-coastline-9322961 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/fancy-slice-picturesque-welsh-coastline-9322961)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on May 26, 2015, 11:53:44 PM
They might be better off buying Piers!   Either Llandudno or Colwyn Bay?    Well they are listed structures.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on April 24, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
Large gorse fire on the Orme, above St Davids Hospice, Fire Service on site.
After a lot of scrambling the fire appears to be under control.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on May 18, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
This stunning Great Orme farm could be yours - for £1 a year
An iconic farm once owned by Premiership footballers is being offered to a young shepherd for a decade at an annual rent of just £1.

Parc Farm on the Great Orme , Llandudno , was bought for £1m by the National Trust 12 months ago and it now wants the place managed for wildlife.

The 140-acre farm, which includes grazing rights to 720 acres of headland, was sold to the Trust by a group of former footballers including Wales international Dean Saunders.

The Trust has revealed it stepped in because the property was being offered with the potential to develop a golf course on its fragile limestone grasslands.

Shepherding candidates are being warned to expect “long hours on often difficult terrain” due to the unique challenge of farming amid the Great Orme’s 600,000 annual visitors.

To give the tenant a head start, conservation charity Plantlife has also pledged to buy the successful candidate a new flock of sheep to graze the land.
MORE   http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/stunning-great-orme-farm-could-11348443 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/stunning-great-orme-farm-could-11348443)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on May 18, 2016, 11:49:56 AM
Chris Evans made much of Llandudno whilst talking about this this morning. $good$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on May 18, 2016, 12:32:26 PM
 So the Orme has 600,000 per annum. Could just Five in every thousand give me a look in.that would do me nicely thanks
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on May 21, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
Applications to run Great Orme farm received from as far away as New Zealand, Canada and Switzerland.
More than 2,000 applications have been received to run a farm on the Great Orme - with expressions of interest coming in from Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Denmark.

Phones at the National Trust went into meltdown on Wednesday when it was revealed the charity were looking for someone to take over Parc Farm in Llandudno.
By the end of Wednesday, they had received 1,600 applications and have now had more than 2,000, according to a Trust spokesman
Some particularly keen applicants even drove to the 140-acre property overlooking the Victorian resort town.
A spokesman for the Trust said: “On Wednesday, we were having more than 100 enquiries an hour.
“It is still very busy even now with applications. We’re now probably getting more like 30 an hour.
“Applications have been received from Canada, Austria, Australia, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, New Zealand and of course all across the United Kingdom.

“There has even been some press interest in Tokyo and Brazil.
“We’ve had BBC Mundo (the BBC’s Latin America branch) asking for details.
“It truly has gone worldwide and it’s safe to say we were overwhelmed initially.”
More   http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/applications-run-great-orme-farm-11362054 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/applications-run-great-orme-farm-11362054)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on August 18, 2016, 10:32:24 AM
Anglesey couple snare Great Orme farm tenancy that the whole world was after.
An Anglesey tenant farmer can count himself one of the luckiest men in Wales after winning a dream National Trust job – for a second time.

Dan Jones, 38, from Llanddeusant, snared the job the whole world was after – the £1-a-year tenancy of iconic Parc Farm on the Great Orme, Llandudno.

With wife Ceri, 39, and son Efan, eight, he will take over the £1m farm on October 1 and stay there for the next decade.
National Trust Wales had launched a worldwide search for candidates, attracting interest from more than 2,500 people, but in the end found the successful applicant on their own doorstep.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/anglesey-couple-snare-great-orme-11763519 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/anglesey-couple-snare-great-orme-11763519)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 19, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
Great Orme tightrope walker risks life in daredevil highwire stunt.

A daredevil woman risked life and limb to walk across cliffs of Llandudno’s Great Orme - on a tightrope.
The highwire walker was seen carrying out the stunt several hundred feet in the air yesterday afternoon at around 3.30pm.

Dangling precariously with the sea and rocks beneath her the woman funambulist appeared to manage the feat with ease until the last few yards.
As a crowd of around 50 people had gathered to watch the dramatic sight she appeared to struggle before completing the walk.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/great-orme-tightrope-walker-risks-11906939 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/great-orme-tightrope-walker-risks-11906939)

Sorry double photo, please edit, Ta
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 20, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
North Wales Police have urged potential daredevils to “think again” before going out to perform risky highwire stunts in the region.

It comes days after a woman was seen tightrope walking off the Great Orme in Llandudno.
The funambulist was spotted carrying out the stunt several hundred feet in the air, dangling precariously above the sea and rocks, on Sunday.

A crowd of around 50 people had gathered to watch the dramatic sight, but North Wales Police were left less than impressed after seeing photographs of the incident.
Sergeant Dave Cust from the local policing team said: “We would not encourage anybody to undertake such a dangerous activity.
Conwy County Council , who looks after the Great Orme, said: “Whilst this activity does not contravene any byelaws, we cannot condone it.”

It’s not known whether there have been any other high wire walkers on the Great Orme.

Llandudno historian John Lawson-Reay said: “I’ve lived in Llandudno all my life, and have researched the town’s history for many decades and I’ve never heard of anyone walking a tightrope between the cliffs on the Great Orme, it’s a first for me.”  refDP
Title: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Helig on December 09, 2016, 03:31:02 PM
I read the news about the council boarding up caves on the Great Orme. This was inhumane and distasteful, the thought of homeless people being unable to have a roof over their heads at this time of year, even if only a cave roof. The caves have provided shelter and homes to man and beast for thousands of years. Why shouldn't this continue?

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/great-orme-caves-sealed-stop-12283276 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/great-orme-caves-sealed-stop-12283276)

In view of the fact the Great Orme is a Country Park and Local Nature Reserve, I wonder if the council's action is lawful. The caves must be covered by the Country Park designation and to interfere with these would appear to contravene this surely?

I remember Ted Yr Ogof, he grew up in a cave on the Orme, along with his family who had lived there for years. I cannot see how the council can restrict the use of the caves in such a mean spirited manner.

Helig
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Hugo on December 09, 2016, 03:48:16 PM
Helig, it's not quite as simple as you've put it.  Raymond Burton was living in that cave featured on the video a few years ago and was found a home in the town but he abused the kindness and efforts of the people who rehoused him and because of this he finds himself homeless again.
A few years ago I was opposite this cave taking photo and having a nice chat with a guy when another drug addict who also lived in the cave tried to pick a fight with me so I don't have too much sympathy for those people who are in this position because of the problems they have inflicted upon themselves.
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: DaveR on December 09, 2016, 03:49:46 PM
Hmmm, do you think its acceptable for someone to live in a cold and damp cave in the 21st century? It cant be said there are no alternatives available, the council is obliged to house homeless people.
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: born2run on December 09, 2016, 04:27:33 PM
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Hmmm, do you think its acceptable for someone to live in a cold and damp cave in the 21st century? It cant be said there are no alternatives available, the council is obliged to house homeless people.

No they don't. Only certain people.

http://www.compactlaw.co.uk/free-legal-information/public-housing/homeless-people.html (http://www.compactlaw.co.uk/free-legal-information/public-housing/homeless-people.html)
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: SteveH on December 09, 2016, 04:56:33 PM
I believe the local councillors were getting a lot of complaints about the homeless on the Orme, including suspicion over the recent fires.

I also think a lot of these people do not want to be homed, which raises the question of mental health issues, which is another problem that needs to be addressed.

Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Ian on December 09, 2016, 05:15:46 PM
There are alternatives but some folk find themselves unable to take advantage of them. Can be very sad, too.
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Hugo on December 09, 2016, 06:16:39 PM
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I remember Ted Yr Ogof, he grew up in a cave on the Orme, along with his family who had lived there for years. I cannot see how the council can restrict the use of the caves in such a mean spirited manner.

Helig

By the way Helig it was Ted Yr Ogof's ancestors who lived in Gogarth Cave.  Isaac and Miriam lived there until about 1877 when the Marine Drive was being built.   Miriam refused to move out until Mostyn Estates provided her with a home which they did and she move to the cottage on the Marine Drive where she ran the Gogarth Tea Rooms.   The last time I saw Ted he was living in a house behind the old Woolworths.

Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Helig on December 10, 2016, 10:41:42 AM
I am not saying that people live/stay in the caves from choice but they must be desperate for some sort of roof and shelter, in the winter months especially. In an ideal world everyone would live in a decent home but the country we live in doesn't accept people have the right to decent housing. The way it has gone, it has returned to the Victorian era with slums and slum landlords who succeed in obtaining extortionate rents but fail to maintain their properties.

I am sure that if the people who have been staying in the caves would prefer to have a conventional home but are not being housed for whatever reason the system decides they fail to qualify for one. In the circumstances, I think that it is inhumane for the council to treat them in this way. The boarded up caves must be an eyesore as well.

Helig.
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2016, 11:23:17 AM
I've attached an article about Raymond Burton one of the so called "cavemen" who after all the help he has been given threw it all back at the people who helped him.
I think that we are talking about drug addicts and alcoholics here rather than the unfotunate homeless people who through no fault of their own find themselves in that position.
It's sad to see anyone in this position but who is to blame in this case?
If you have been reading the threads on Rhos on Sea then you will know about Jonathon Hughes and his situation
As for slums and slum landlords then there are authorities that can deal with that problem but that is another matter

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC1tTdvOnQAhVhKMAKHSiOBjgQFgghMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailypost.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnorth-wales-news%2Fllandudno-cave-man-spat-police-11246659&usg=AFQjCNE0gaLn5_XR-LG2oRmcPQ03yyO56g (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjC1tTdvOnQAhVhKMAKHSiOBjgQFgghMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailypost.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnorth-wales-news%2Fllandudno-cave-man-spat-police-11246659&usg=AFQjCNE0gaLn5_XR-LG2oRmcPQ03yyO56g)
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Nemesis on December 10, 2016, 11:30:19 AM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/world/unemployed-family-8-turns-down-2-5-bedroom-homes-being-too-small-racks-massive-hotel-bill?Fb=shred (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/world/unemployed-family-8-turns-down-2-5-bedroom-homes-being-too-small-racks-massive-hotel-bill?Fb=shred)

A similar story here !!

Just as a matter of interest how many people are we talking about here in Llandudno who were living rough?
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2016, 11:59:15 AM
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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/world/unemployed-family-8-turns-down-2-5-bedroom-homes-being-too-small-racks-massive-hotel-bill?Fb=shred (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/world/unemployed-family-8-turns-down-2-5-bedroom-homes-being-too-small-racks-massive-hotel-bill?Fb=shred)

A similar story here !!

Just as a matter of interest how many people are we talking about here in Llandudno who were living rough?

It makes your blood boil to hear these stories,  when will these people take some responsibility and live according to their means.
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 10, 2016, 06:42:24 PM
No idea why they have 8 children without being able to support them? Why should us taxpayers pay for them?  &shake&
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: SteveH on December 10, 2016, 06:52:55 PM
I wonder what would happen, if a Brit. Turned up in France, ........Ive come to study under the EU freedom of movement system, can I have a 6bed house for my wife and 8 kids, rent free and some social as well......... _))*
Title: Re: Great Orme caves being boarded up.
Post by: Fester on December 10, 2016, 07:42:55 PM
Please stop blurring the issue, it's very straightforward really.

People who are struggling for shelter should of course be allowed to temporarily inhabit a cave.

People who abuse alcohol, class A drugs and continually trash conventional accommodation should not.
If anyone disagrees, or thinks me uncaring, then please offer them the spare room in YOUR house.

Is it OK if one of the children who live on the Orme and might play in those caves to play with the needles or broken glass these individuals leave behind?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on January 21, 2017, 09:46:33 AM
Sheep will return to the Great Orme.
The 360-strong flock will graze on the grassland to encourage the survival of rare plants and animals.
Sheep have not been seen on the headland since the foot and mouth crisis more than a decade ago. Ref BBC
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 21, 2017, 11:36:56 AM
Golly, someone has been misinformed ! Sometime there are dozens in the graveyard. :o
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on January 21, 2017, 11:46:12 AM
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Golly, someone has been misinformed ! Sometime there are dozens in the graveyard. :o

Here is the article Nem. I just took it at face value, maybe its a new flock?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-38680614 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-38680614)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DVT on January 21, 2017, 12:59:54 PM
The sheep have been introduced by the National Trust in order to protect the unique plants and butterflies that live on the Orme.  Without the sheep the grass and "weeds" will grow too much and stifle the important plants and reduce the food for the butterflies.  The sheep are being allowed to roam the Orme, not just inside the walled farm area, to carry out the important conservation work.  The sheep will be watched over by a shepherd.

In the same way Bodnant had sheep on the old meadow before Christmas - they were there to graze, keep down the grass and unwanted plants, and fertilize the area in order to allow the wild meadow plants to flourish.  Daffodils will cover the meadow in a couple of months followed by all sorts of wild flowers.

May seem a mad idea but I'm reliably informed that it does work!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 21, 2017, 02:18:14 PM
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Golly, someone has been misinformed ! Sometime there are dozens in the graveyard. :o

Here is the article Nem. I just took it at face value, maybe its a new flock?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-38680614 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-38680614)

Yes Steve H I had had the article sent by a friend who is on the 'Goat Watch' team, if you remember, when the cattle grid above Happy Valley was re-designed the place was invaded by sheep and goats alike. As yet I have never seen sheep down in town, but plenty of goats. !
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on January 21, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
In days of yore the sheep became remarkably tame, coming to eat out of the hands of visitors.  Not sure that was good for the sheep, but the visitors seemed to enjoy it. 
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on January 21, 2017, 02:46:34 PM
Now you mention it, I remember last summer there were about 30 sheep walking and grazing along Glodaeth Ave.......they didnt stop the traffic, ......the tourists did, taking photos and selfies.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 21, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
Just been on the News Index---Wales. !!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on January 22, 2017, 04:27:52 PM
First baby goats of 2017 spotted on Pen Dinas this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 22, 2017, 04:32:17 PM
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First baby goats of 2017 spotted on Pen Dinas this afternoon.

Lovely thought....let us hope that Spring is on the way.

Lambs in the field at Bodafon this morning.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on January 22, 2017, 05:00:49 PM
It appears to be two kids with one nanny which I can't remember seeing before. They are just so white in comparison to the mother.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on January 23, 2017, 12:57:47 PM
Blessed this morning to be able see (through binoculars)  another goat giving birth in the trees on the top of the hillside.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on January 23, 2017, 04:33:08 PM
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First baby goats of 2017 spotted on Pen Dinas this afternoon.

Lovely thought....let us hope that Spring is on the way.

Lambs in the field at Bodafon this morning.
Went down to Bodafon this morning. Beautiful watching the new born lambs.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on January 23, 2017, 06:36:59 PM
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Sheep will return to the Great Orme.
The 360-strong flock will graze on the grassland to encourage the survival of rare plants and animals.
Sheep have not been seen on the headland since the foot and mouth crisis more than a decade ago. Ref BBC

About 2 years ago, when sheep were escaping onto the lower reaches of the Orme, there was a significant problem with sheep poop on every pavement, roads and they encroach into gardens whenever they like.
I heard complaints about all this from visitors and residents alike.
It seems that we can multiply that by 10 from now on!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on January 24, 2017, 09:22:08 AM
I remember that flocks of sheep used to end up in Happy Valley, happily munching all of the plants!
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: mull on January 24, 2017, 12:13:46 PM
You want to try living in a crofting area.
Sheep, Highland cows, Deer, Geese, you name it we have it here on the Common Grazing.
The B&B owners love it when the visitors arrive back from the pub, at night in the dark, having walked though what the animals have deposited on the pavements, right up the hall and stairs carpets.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on January 24, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
Especially the green stuff ...... $fan$
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on January 24, 2017, 08:28:47 PM
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I remember that flocks of sheep used to end up in Happy Valley, happily munching all of the plants!

Wasn't that why they re-did the cattle grid?.................And made it easier for them to get down from the Orme? :o
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on July 13, 2017, 11:09:31 AM
Ewe rams farmer's dog off Great Orme into the sea
Dan Jones, of the National Trust Wales' Parc Farm, thought his dog, whose rescue was caught on camera, was 'a goner' after cliff fall.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ewe-rams-farmers-dog-great-13322549 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ewe-rams-farmers-dog-great-13322549)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on July 13, 2017, 12:35:35 PM
It's 'Shearing', not 'Sheering'.. for God's sake.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on July 13, 2017, 02:23:49 PM
Exactly the point I made about editing.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 27, 2017, 05:54:18 PM
'Legendary' Great Orme Royal Welsh goat Lance Corporal Shenkin II has died
Described as a 'total poser' who 'loved a crowd', the goat was a figurehead for the battalion.

The Kashmiri goat who originally hailed from the Royal Herd at the Great Orme in Llandudno, passed away on Tuesday at the age of seven.

The Queen has been informed of the goat’s passing by letter, and has been asked to give permission for The Royal Welsh to select a new goat from the Great Orme in Llandudno.

The process of finding Shenkin’s successor will start soon, but in the meantime, Llywelyn, the Regimental Mascot for 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh, will take over duties.

The royal goat herd was originally obtained from Mohammad Shah Qajar, Shah of Persia from 1834 to 1848. He presented the animals to Queen Victoria as a gift in 1837 upon her accession to the throne.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/royal-welsh-goat-shenkin-dies-13684262 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/royal-welsh-goat-shenkin-dies-13684262)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on March 07, 2018, 04:56:02 PM
The Royal Welsh has a new mascot - Siencyn (Shenkin) IV. The Army said they had some difficulties in getting the right goat who was found high up on the Great Orme, Llandudno but in the end their perseverence paid off. refDP
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on March 07, 2018, 05:08:21 PM
I saw them trying to get Siencyn the first time and I could see why they were determined to get him as he stood out from the others.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Dwyforite on March 08, 2018, 12:50:20 AM
poor kid press ganged into service,i thought that was illegal now
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on March 08, 2018, 08:16:30 AM
 _))* _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on March 08, 2018, 09:03:52 AM
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poor kid press ganged into service,i thought that was illegal now

Hope the poor beast is happy in his new life.......................after all he is a wild creature. ! :(
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on March 08, 2018, 09:36:55 AM
At least he'll smell a bit better Nemesis.      ;D
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Dwyforite on March 10, 2018, 12:36:45 AM
years of square bashing to look forward to instead of looking down on to Llandudno on a summers morning,what a s**t
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Michael on March 11, 2018, 08:46:58 AM
  I not really happy about the removal of one of the goats from the Orme so that it can be “trained” to adapt to living with humans in our environment.
  I am not a devoted anti cruelty to animals person. However I doubt anyone could argue that this goat is better off away from any other goats. As fas as I know it also seems surprising that the previous goat died aged 7 years whilst their normall life span living in their herd is 14 years. A coincidence? Makes you wonder.
  I not sure where I read this opinion fairly recently. He/she wrote “why don’t the army leave the live goats alone and go and buy a toy goat to lead their parades?”  I am inclined to agree
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on July 27, 2018, 02:32:46 PM
Message from  Dan Jones, Great Orme shepherd.

Hi everyone – I hope you’re all coping with this heatwave. It’s made for some challenges up here on the farm. We’ve had cases of some sheep straying into residential areas recently and I’d just like to assure all my neighbours that I’m on the case!
Part of my role is to heft a brand new flock to the Orme, which is still in progress. This year it’s particularly challenging because the hot, dry weather has burnt much of the grasses and the sheep are making for the fresher grasses further down the hillside. To help manage this I am supplementing their feed and have taken on more staff to help with the hefting.
As an area open to public it’s hard to completely stop livestock up here straying, but Parc Farm landowners the National Trust are working with other partners on the Orme at ways to try and minimise any disturbance to local people.
Some people have raised concerns about ticks from livestock. I can assure everyone that all of my sheep have been treated for ticks twice this year and will be treated again in a couple of weeks. Veterinary advice is that this routine keeps our Parc Farm flock tick-free (and we have seen no ticks on sheep or handlers here at the farm.) Unfortunately ticks are around in the countryside and there has been an increase nationwide this year, so check out the advice from the National Trust website https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/fea (https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/fea)…/ticks-and-lyme-disease or the NHS advice on what to look out for and how to deal with it https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease)
I really appreciate everyone’s co-operation and if anyone wants to discuss anything do get in touch with me here on Facebook.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on July 28, 2018, 06:12:14 PM
The sheep are always pottering about outside my house, in various states of undress.
Some shorn, some not...  they’re quite cute really.
They don’t give a toss about cars, they just stand there, chewing, and stare me out.  :)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on September 22, 2018, 11:55:20 AM
Health and safety has gone to the dogs, ............joking apart Dan Jones sheepdog Tian,  with his new High Viz life jacket, for cliff work.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on October 23, 2018, 10:46:19 AM
Frustration after dog owners on Llandudno's Great Orme continue to ignore warnings about pets off leads.

Despite a number of livestock attacks on the Great Orme in the past six months dog owners continue to walk their pets off leads.

North Wales Police Rural Crime Team have been working hard to educate people and stop these attacks from happening by reminding people to keep their dogs on leads when on Llandudno's Great Orme, or any other area where there may be livestock present.

The rural crime team manager posted three videos from his visit to the Great Orme.......  ref Pioneer
   http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/17000820.frustration-after-dog-owners-on-llandudnos-great-orme-continue-to-ignore-warnings-about-pets-off-leads/?ref=mr&lp=2 (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/17000820.frustration-after-dog-owners-on-llandudnos-great-orme-continue-to-ignore-warnings-about-pets-off-leads/?ref=mr&lp=2)
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on November 27, 2018, 11:32:47 AM
Loose dogs chasing sheep,(see above,)  loose dogs falling off cliff. ...... anyone spot the problem here.   ::)

Lucky escape for dog which plunged off Great Orme cliff
The pooch fell from the cliff edge but landed on a ledge further down the Great Orme

Coastguard crews from Llandudno and Penmon were scrambled to the scene at around 12.30pm with reports that two people may have gone down the cliff after the dog.

When crews arrived, they found that the dog was stuck on a ledge following the fall.
A spokesman said: "Two people had scrambled down the steep cliff face to the beach so there was some concern about the public placing themselves in danger to attempt to rescue the animal.

"After ensuring the two on the beach were safe we set up a cliff rescue setup to retrieve the dog safely."

The spokesman added: "A cliff rescue technician was lowered to the ledge and the dog placed in our animal rescue bag.
"The technician then descended to the beach before detaching from the ropes and walked back up a safe path to reunite the dog with its owners.     
"We urge dog owners to please keep dogs on leads near to cliff edges.
"If a dog does become stuck, do not attempt to rescue them yourselves, dial 999 and ask for the coastguard."

ref DP



Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Dave on November 28, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
Nothing to do with the Great Orme but more the forum layout. It's a shame that some posts get missed as they appear on page 2. Maybe time to "unstick" a few on page 1 perhaps?
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on December 01, 2018, 09:16:35 AM
The secret is to use 'Hello (name)
Show unread posts since last visit'

on the front page, Dave.  That lists every post you haven't read since your last visit.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on December 05, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
A thrill-seeker risked life and limb to walk between cliffs on Llandudno's Great Orme on a tightrope.

The highwire walker was seen carrying out the stunt several hundred feet in the air on Saturday afternoon at around 3pm.
Mike Ormond, who took these dramatic photos of the feat, said: "It was a blustery day. People were out kitesurfing so it was pretty windy.

The person was spotted above Tollgate House (Image: Mike Ormond)
"I took the images just by the Tollgate House, and a small crowd had gathered to watch.
"They did have a safety harness on"       REF DP
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Quiggs on December 05, 2018, 03:26:10 PM
Crazy guy. The rocks around there are fractured and unstable, there’s warning signs to be aware
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on January 10, 2019, 12:54:05 PM
When I lived up by Llyn Geirionydd, I saw this type of thing first hand, walls and fences damaged, and not by "vandals" , my neighbor spent between 4/6 weeks making repairs.

Great Orme: 'Mindless' vandals wreck historic walls

Some stones have been taken out of the middle of the walls
Historic dry stone walls on the Great Orme headland have been damaged by "mindless vandalism".
Sections of the 140-year-old walls have collapsed after stones were removed.

The National Trust, which owns the land in in Llandudno, Conwy, estimates it will take more than a hundred hours of work over weeks to repair the damage.
National Trust ranger Doug Don said the stones, "unlike a big game of Jenga", cannot simply be pushed back into place.

Built in 1874, the walls on the Great Orme are unusual because they are taller than normal dry stone walls, and have added lime and sand to form a windproof barrier for the sheep.

The National Trust said it is the second time the walls have been targeted.

Mr Don said: "I can't think of any reason why someone would want to damage a stone wall.

"We're doing what we can to repair the walls, starting at the biggest collapse. But it's a slow job. One area took a whole day just to strip it back to the point where we could start rebuilding.

"Stones are being taken out from the middle of the wall. But unlike a big game of Jenga, their uneven shape means they can't easily be put back. Some stones have also been broken by the vandals, so it's near impossible to find matching replacements to restore them as they were.
"So to make the hole safe, we have to take out a whole section around the missing bit."     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46817004 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46817004)

Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: SteveH on July 09, 2019, 12:36:45 PM
THE National Eisteddfod crown, manufactured from copper mined on the Great Orme, has been presented to the festival’s Executive Committee,
The crown has been designed and created by contemporary jeweler Angela Evans from Caernarfon.   Ref.  Pioneer

Title: Re: The Great Orme...........Ariva bus fire
Post by: SteveH on July 10, 2019, 04:56:12 PM
LIVE: Bus turns into fireball on Great Orme
Firefighters are dealing with the incident involving an Arriva bus/

A bus is on fire on the Great Orme in Llandudno.

We’ll bring you all the latest updates as we get them.     https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-bus-fire-great-orme-16563545 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-bus-fire-great-orme-16563545)             REF DP
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Fester on July 17, 2019, 10:37:29 PM
Walking from Haulfre Gardens to West Shore along Invalids Walk this morning, and I was prompted to comment on two things.
Firstly, the huge number of the tiny blue butterflies we get on the Orme this year.
Secondly, just how out of control the ferns and foliage have become.
On some parts of the usually wide walkway, they are almost meeting in the middle.... see here...
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on July 18, 2019, 07:08:44 AM
Those photos of the Butterfly are really nice, such a beautiful creature.
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2019, 08:41:13 AM
That's a Cupido minimus I think, F. According to the BF conservation site "Rare but found on sheltered, warm grassland habitats which have Kidney Vetch. Habitats include; chalk and limestone grassland, coastal grasslands and dunes and man-made habitats such as; quarries, gravel pits, road embankments and disused railways."
Title: Re: The Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on July 18, 2019, 09:47:21 AM
Part of the Marine Drive was closed for a time yesterday due to a rock fall.   The section closed was from the Toll House to the St Tudno's Road.     The Great Orme is unstable and you can see that clearly when you drive down to West Shore where  sadly there have been fatal accidents in the past and they cannot afford to take any chances now


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/part-llandudnos-great-orme-shut-16601262 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/part-llandudnos-great-orme-shut-16601262)