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The Local => Local News & Discussion => Topic started by: Ian on September 03, 2010, 03:10:50 pm
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Do you think it would be a good idea to petition the Council to remove all the stones they put on the beach for safe keeping (or was it cheap storage) between the slipway and the Little Orme? It would have two beneficial effects. Firstly the Council would be able to sell it for Building Ballast (which is all its fit for) so raising much needed revenue in these hard time and secondly, once its removed it would give us back our Sandy Beach who’s sad demise has been much lamented by Residents and Visitors alike. Trying to pass the stones off as essential Sea Defences is never going to wash, especially after the storm, just before Easter, proved how totally ineffectual they are. ))*
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::) Does any one else remember CCBC buying a super dooper machine for cleaning our sandy beaches,i know for a fact they never used it on the town beach.As we all know when the tide is in there is only a small patch of sand by the cenotaph showing so obviously this patch does not get cleaned by the tide,so why the hell is this small patch never cleaned with this machine,in September i had a weekend in Southport and their beach was cleaned everyday,on the way home we called at West Kirby,guess what their beach had also been cleaned so why can our little patch be left for weeks covered in seaweed ,cans,litter,no respect. ???
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They should have repaired/replaced the old Victorian wooden breakwaters, they captured the sand between them and helped to break up the waves. Worked then why not now? It was a nice sandy beach as far as the old Arcadia.
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Used to get packed even when the tide was in.
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They also seemed to have some bloody good weather in those days! Z**
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Could someone please tell me what right John Reay has to approve of where the new station should be sighted and its design? See todays NWWN. Is he a qualified architect for example? Does he in fact have any qualifications at all?
I know it is because of him and others like him that this town has been allowed to fall into rack and ruin. All things Victorian are wonderful - you know like children working down the mines or climbing up chimneys to clean them. The sooner townsfolk stand up to narrow minded people the better!
Yes I am cross!
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Putting the Lifeboat issue aside, do you not think the reason people visit Llandudno because it is a well preserved Victorian seaside resort?
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Could someone please tell me what right John Reay has to approve of where the new station should be sighted and its design? See todays NWWN. Is he a qualified architect for example? Does he in fact have any qualifications at all?
Irrespective of what qualifications he has or has not - just like you and me he is entitled to express his views. I don't neccessarily agree with any of his comments on this or any other matter but if nothing else he stimulates discussion. And that can't be bad! :)
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All things Victorian are wonderful - you know like children working down the mines or climbing up chimneys to clean them.
Keeps them off the streets! ;D
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Yes of course he has the right to an express his opinions as I do and many like me. The problem is that he seems to be in charge. Like saying in this weeks paper that his organisation will have to approve the design. Why? Who are they? How dare he.
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No Dave of course no one comes here just because it's Victorian that's plain daft. They come because of the scenery and the seaside and the fact that it is not overcrowded and in spite of people's best efforts to neglect it. $angry$
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No Dave of course no one comes here just because it's Victorian that's plain daft. They come because of the scenery and the seaside and the fact that it is not overcrowded and in spite of people's best efforts to neglect it. $angry$
I have to disagree completely. I think the town's Victorian architecture is a major factor in its attractiveness as a seaside resort.
What do other people think?
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The Victorian bits are the best bits! take them away and there is not a lot left really is there?
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Er...the Great Orme, the Little Orme, the West shore, the North Shore...
Seriously, there are Victoriana aspects which make the place more enticing, such as the tramway and the Pier, but I suspect more may have to do with Mostyn's tight control over what can and can't be done on places like the prom.
BOT:
"Among the chief opponents to the idea of a new boat house close to the pier have been conservation group Save Our Promenade, but spokesman John Lawson-Reay said they would look favourably on plans to build it at Craig y Don provided that it was designed to blend in with the surrounding area.
“A site between Craig y Don and Craigside would be away from the town’s conservation area, and could be less visually intrusive provided the RNLI comes up with an acceptable design. We will be interested to see what they come up with if the trials show that it is viable to launch the boat from there,” he commented."
"Could someone please tell me what right John Reay has to approve of where the new station should be sighted and its design? See todays NWWN. Is he a qualified architect for example? Does he in fact have any qualifications at all?"
JLR has involved in a long succession of "Save our..(insert appropriate word here)" - type organisations, since the late '80s. As a freelance BBC TV news cameraman, he has a good eye for visual aspects, so I wouldn't condemn him on that, but his long history with so many different groups perhaps throws his apparent commitment to any one into some question...
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Er...the Great Orme, the Little Orme, the West shore, the North Shore...
:laugh: Good point but I was referring to the man made bits :D
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Sorry but I cannot believe that anyone is going to say where shall we go on holiday? Oh I know let's go to Llandudno it's Victorian.
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Loads came for the Victorian Extravaganza (although I admit aspects of it were not very Victorian :) )
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Sorry but I cannot believe that anyone is going to say where shall we go on holiday? Oh I know let's go to Llandudno it's Victorian.
I've never yet seen a newspaper or magazine article about Llandudno that doesn't refer to its preserved Victorian character. You don't work for the Council, do you? :P
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We do have many Elizabethan buildings here, sadly it's the wrong Elizabeth! so best we keep praising the Victorian architecture! ;D
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We do have many Elizabethan buildings here, sadly it's the wrong Elizabeth! so best we keep praising the Victorian architecture! ;D
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No Dave of course no one comes here just because it's Victorian that's plain daft. They come because of the scenery and the seaside and the fact that it is not overcrowded and in spite of people's best efforts to neglect it. $angry$
I have to disagree completely. I think the town's Victorian architecture is a major factor in its attractiveness as a seaside resort.
What do other people think?
One of the main reasons for me visiting Llandudno before I lived nearby was because of the promenade and the pier. The fact that there are no shops or amusement arcades on the front makes it quite unique and so pleasant both to look at and to walk along. For me it doesn't particularly matter that it is Victorian just that it is unspoilt.
I must say though that I was pretty much devastated when the wind turbines were installed in the view. I cannot understand allowing those after managing to protect the promenade for so long.
Just as an aside......I was trying to find Dave R's question above and couldn't remember which post it was in. I thought it maybe in the traffic light debate so I typed in Mostyn Champneys and it came up with this:
You may have meant to search for moisten champers retail park.
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You may have meant to search for moisten champers retail park.
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Having just seen a reporter doing a piece from Cleethorpes on the BBC news i noticed that their beach had been cleaned by a special machine, now correct me if im wrong but i remember CCBC buying a special machine to clean its beaches, it was a few years ago now,but it has never been used on the town beach.As most of you know i have noticed over the years how many other authorities clean their beaches daily,Southport ,Hoylake and i bet Rhyl does then i walk past the little strip of beach we have that does not get cleaned by the tide and it disgusts me, i challenge any of you to have a look this morning and you will find yesterdays litter,sandcastles, ,piles of stones and last weeks seaweed all there from yesterday and anything from last nite,broken glass ,needles who knows.When ccbc cannot be bothered to clean such a small strip of beach and nobody else seems bothered then this town has no chance. :rage:
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3. RECOMMENDATION(S)/OPTIONS
3.1 That the cycling prohibition on Llandudno Promenade be relaxed for a 12
month trial period in order to allow for informal unsegregated cycling
3.2 That Llandudno Promenade should not form part of the National Cycle
Route
3.3 That “share with care” signage, with pedestrian and cycle symbols, be
provided on the shelters on the promenade for the trial period
3.4 That the Council indemnifies Mostyn Estates against any claims arising
from permitted cycling activity on the promenade
3.5 That the enforcement of the byelaw pertaining to the restriction of cycling
on the promenade be suspended for the trial period
3.6 That a CCTV system be used to provide monitoring over the trial period
(the footage to be reviewed by staff in the Harbour and Maritime Service)
3.7 That the Task and Finish Group be reformed towards the end of the trial
period in order to review the trial and make further recommendations to
the Communities Overview and Scrutiny Committee
Further details: 7i
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=2758&x=1#AI33495 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=2758&x=1#AI33495)
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NO cycling. Look up the meaning of the word Promenade. Use the roads. :-[
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The Communities Overview and Scrutiny Committee have approved a trial of allowing cycling on the Prom. Their decision must now be approved by Cabinet.
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Llandudno promenade cyclists ban is lifted by council
Conwy councillors have backed plans to allow cycling along Llandudno promenade for the first time since it was built in around 1876.
They voted 6-2 in favour of allowing cyclists to use the seafront for a one-year trial.
Campaigners welcomed the decision and said common sense had prevailed.
Opponents had argued the promenade is used by elderly people and speeding bikes would be dangerous.
"It's sheer relief that common sense has prevailed," said Roy Spilsbury, from the Cyclists Touring Club (CTC) Cymru.
"Cyclists now won't have to go along the main parade battling with the busy road," he added.
The charity Sustrans, which promotes cycling and walking, said bikes are allowed on 125 other UK seafronts, and Llandudno was in a minority.
Cycling has never been officially allowed on the promenade since it was built and Conwy council has considered the issue several times in recent years, always voting to keep the ban.
Tuesday's meeting decided to trial bike use with safeguards such as CCTV and warning signs.
Christine Jones, who chaired a group of councillors who looked into the issue, said they had decided to look into cycling on the promenade more seriously.
"Yes, we think there probably will be risks but the risks are minimal," she said.
"You have risks if you put a car on the road and as a consequence of this we have decided to go forward."
John Lawson Reay, from the Llandudno civic trust, said he was against the proposals.
"Bicycles and pedestrians don't mix," he said. "We don't allow them on the pavements in towns and cities.
It applies exactly the same on the promenade.
"The question of other resorts... in fact some of the major south coast resorts to ban cyclists from their promenades so that's a precedent.
"The reality of it is that people want to walk along a promenade in safety with their kids and their dogs."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13034162 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13034162)
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I took my cycling proficiency test aged 10 when I lived in London and after taking it we were expected to cycle on the road, not the pavements or where people were walking.
Roy Spilsbury says, "Cyclists now won't have to go along the main parade battling with the busy road," at 10 I was cycling along the A23 in Streatham, the main London to Brighton Rd alongside double decker buses, cars, lorries and coaches, one of the busiest, most congested roads in London even 40 years ago. If these cyclists cannot cope with the main parade then maybe they should consider a different form of transport.
What sort of speeds are they hoping to get up to, that they can't on the roads?
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At least the Town Council are making good use of the Prom to cycle to meetings on....
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Is there going to be some one monitoring the cycle traffic on the prom. in the summer or will they just wait for reports of accidents from ambulance control?
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CCBC employ Promenade Inspectors who deal with Dog (not dogging) problems, Bye-laws, Deck Chairs, Boat Launching and Cycling. They have been doing so for many years. ££$
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Yes, their role is to sit in deck chairs watching people cycle past. Well, that's what they did last year...
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Just indicates the poor management of the Harbour Master's Department! Z**
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Are CCBC going to have somebody monitoring every road to make sure nobody opens their door straight into a cyclist,NO.
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Yes, their role is to sit in deck chairs watching people cycle past. Well, that's what they did last year...
And watch unleashed dogs on the beach! Dogs aren't even allowed there in summer.
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New Llandudno lifeboat station set for promenade
It will mean an end to Llandudno's lifeboat being towed through the Conwy town when it is called out - and could save vital minutes to the launch time.
Conwy council has agreed to plans to site the new station at Craig-y-Don.
The station will house a new 25-knot Shannon-class all weather boat and a D-class inshore lifeboat.
The new boat is too large for the old station on Lloyd Street, where the RNLI's current boat has to be towed by a tractor through Llandudno to launch on North Shore.
The decision has been warmly welcomed by the 60-strong RNLI team and charity officials in the Victorian seaside resort.
Matt Crofts, divisional operations manager for north Wales, said the new station would allow the team to "continue providing an efficient life-saving service to mariners and those using the local waters and coastline for many years to come."
Mr Crofts also thanked the large number of people who had supported their planning application.
The decision comes after plans for a lifeboat station closer to the pier failed to win approval.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-29150636 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-29150636)
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Hello, I see quite a few posts on Facebook about the "disaster" on the north shore as a result of the ballast dumped there. Can somebody please tell me what the situation actually is? I'm a long way away so cannot visit.
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Hello, I see quite a few posts on Facebook about the "disaster" on the north shore as a result of the ballast dumped there. Can somebody please tell me what the situation actually is? I'm a long way away so cannot visit.
Hi C. Most of the story is in the "What's Llandudno like right now" and "North shore Issues" threads. Good luck
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I saw this photo and thought that I'd post it on here. I'm old enough to remember those beach huts but not all of them, just the ones that were by the Cae Mor Hotel ( next to Venue Cymru )
As for the steps, will they ever emerge from beneath the tons and tons of quarry rubble? &shake&
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I saw this photo and thought that I'd post it on here. I'm old enough to remember those beach huts but not all of them, just the ones that were by the Cae Mor Hotel ( next to Venue Cymru )
As for the steps, will they ever emerge from beneath the tons and tons of quarry rubble? &shake&
I can remember counting up to 19 steps from the promenade down to the Beach. Ask all visitors to adopt a stone and take it home with them, that way the beach should be cleared in about 3 years. {}{}
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While on my daily bike ride (weather permitting *cycle*) I have noticed a van parked on the Prom by Dylan's with "Survey Ops, special projects etc" on it on a couple of mornings. It was there this morning and a couple of guys were down on the beach at the tideline opposite the Hydro, (it was about 0830 and the tide was about two thirds out), with theodolites measuring. When I reached the West Shore prom there was also a couple of guys in high-vis jackets also on the tide line on the channel with measuring equipment, opposite the Lilley.
Is there another feasibility project in progress at the moment and will it include restoring a decent beach on the North Shore and some sort of scheme to prevent the sand build-up on the West Shore residential area?
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While on my daily bike ride, I have noticed a van parked on the Prom by Dylan's with "Survey Ops, special projects etc" on it on a couple of mornings. It was there this morning and a couple of guys were down on the beach at the tideline opposite the Hydro, (it was about 0830 and the tide was about two thirds out), with theodolites measuring. When I reached the West Shore prom there was also a couple of guys in high-vis jackets also on the tide line on the channel with measuring equipment, opposite the Lilley.
Is there another feasibility project in progress at the moment and will it include restoring a decent beach on the North Shore and some sort of scheme to prevent the sand build-up on the West Shore residential area?
I believe it is part of the feasibility project party's contract, to do research within 200 meters of a pub, which might account for some of the plans suggested. &shake&
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You are probably correct Steve but I wish that they came up with suggestions before they went into the pub and not afterwards:-
It must have been one heavy drinking session to come up with what they have suggested on the West Shore:-
To raise the cycle track by 300mm and to make it out of timber or recycled plastic
How on earth would that work when the wind blown sand can be more than 1500 mm?
Would the wood be strong enough to take the weight of a lorry with 10 tons of sand and a heavy JCB too &shake&
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Recent photos on FB, does Jennings get this as well ?
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Welsh Government won't fund return of sand to Llandudno?s North Shore
WELSH Government will not be using the coastal risk management programme to provide a flood defence solution for Llandudno, which includes the return of sand to the town?s North Shore beach.
Conwy County Borough Council?s cabinet has agreed to support a non-sand option for North Shore.
Welsh Government has approved the council?s funding application for a detailed design of the non-sand option.
READ MORE: https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23312010.welsh-government-wont-fund-return-sand-llandudnos-north-shore/?ref=rss&IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
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A COUPLE of promenade shelters have been replaced along Llandudno?s North Shore beach. ref pioneer
Conwy County Borough Council secured funding for this project via Welsh Government?s Brilliant Basics Scheme in late 2022.
The project has seen two of the seven shelters on North Shore?s promenade replaced; opposite the St George?s Hotel, and next to the paddling pool in Craig Y Don.
A council spokesperson confirmed that construction of the new shelters has been completed, and that contractors took down the barriers last Wednesday (April 5).
In the future, it is hoped that smart elements can be added to the structures in the form of solar PV and laptop and mobile phone charging points.
The old shelters were in poor condition, and without action, could have been at risk of closure in the future.
The new structures have maintained the old Victorian design and continue to offer seating and shelter, with ample opportunity to enjoy the views across Llandudno Bay.
?This project will contribute towards ongoing regeneration so Llandudno continues to thrive as a destination.?
Conwy County Borough Council is hoping to attract further investment to complete the replacement of the remaining five shelters.
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I haven't seen the new shelters yet but the photo probably doesn't do it any justice
Can anyone explain why there are two blurred images either side of the main picture. It seems absolutely pointless to have the outer images blurred but it seems to be happening more often now and especially on videos
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Can anyone explain why there are two blurred images either side of the main picture. It seems absolutely pointless to have the outer images blurred but it seems to be happening more often now and especially on videos
Yes. It's a mobile 'phone photo, and most people seem blissfully unaware that we see in landscape and having to squint at a wide slit leaves a lot of information out. All people have to do is turn their 'phones sideways to take the perfect image, yet very few manage this herculean task.
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Thanks for explaining that Ian as I've wanted to ask the question before but didn't want to sound a bit stupid. Why on earth anyone wants to take a pointless photo or video in that style is beyond my comprehension, maybe I'm getting too old for that type of thing
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If you remove the centre (the clear) part and move the two sides together you get the same picture so what is the point of them ... why not crop the pic before publishing just the centre piece in portrait style? !!
Not Steve's doing, as he has taken the pic from somewhere else.
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Our cameras don't take photos like that so I don't know why some phones have that facility, it's a bit naff really. I knew it wasn't Steve's photo, that's why I asked the question as it had been puzzling me for ages
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The above photo came from the Pioneer, looks like a reader sent it in?
Photos below courtesy of FB
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Thanks Steve, that looks more like how photos should be
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Welsh Parliament petition created to save Llandudno?s North Shore
The petition, created by Cllr Ian Turner, calls for Welsh Government to fund the removal of quarry rocks and the restoration of sand and groynes to North Shore.
In February, it was confirmed that Welsh Government will not be using the coastal risk management programme to provide a flood defence solution for Llandudno, which includes the return of sand to the town?s North Shore beach.
cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/llandudno/23461012.welsh-parliament-petition-created-save-llandudnos-north-shore/?ref=rss&IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
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I can understand the Welsh Government's stand on the North Shore issue. If the Welsh Government paid for the removal of the quarry waste and replaced it with a sandy beach, Llandudno would only have a sea defence as effective as the one it replaced
Now if CCBC had had a referendum on the North Shore before dumping the quarry waste on the beach then the Welsh Government would have paid for the sand to be imported like they have done in Colwyn Bay and Rhos on Sea
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As much as I would like a sandy beach, I think the sea defences of llandudno are a priority, especially with climate changes, however looking at the photo below I wondered if putting sand on the lower levels with walkways over the cobbles would be an alternative?
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NORTH SHORE BEACH CLEAN
A clean-up of Llandudno's North Shore beach will be taking place later this month.
Date: Friday, May 26.
Time: 11am-noon.
Location: North Shore Beach, Llandudno.
To register: Email Janet.finch-saunders@senedd.wales or call 01492 871 198
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Llandudno's sandy beach can't be paid for by flood funds designed to protect homes says minister
Climate Change minister Julie James says the funding can't be used for 'cosmetic' elements when homes and businesses are at risk
But this week Climate Change minister Julie James reiterated that a flood fund had to prioritise protecting homes rather than added 'cosmetic' elements. She did not rule out a sandy beach but said it was down to Conwy Council to apply to Welsh Government funding pots dedicated to tourism, pay for it itself, or look at alternative funding.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudnos-sandy-beach-cant-paid-26997732?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
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I'm sorry to say it but the Climate Change Minister is correct when she said that the fund cannot be used for "cosmetic purposes" If the quarry waste was removed and replaced by sand it would not offer a better coastal defence than the one it replaced
I'm afraid that the CCBC has made a costly mistake again
Meanwhile over at Rhos on Sea they have got a lovely sandy beach that Llandudno should also have had
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A post card showing the beach in past times, lots of shingle and not much sand.
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Llandudno beach update as council could bid for levelling-up cash to pay for sand
The local authority is now looking for funds for an initial Economic Impact Assessment
"Conwy County Borough Council will be seeking external funding towards the cost of an Economic Impact Assessment to review the idea of replacing the cobbles with sand. The results from such a study would give us a better understanding of the economic impact of funding sand on North Shore Beach, which would help inform the next steps."
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-beach-update-council-could-27616427?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
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I'd be happy to have north shore more like my 80s childhood of pebbles which gradually became sand a little way down. As my user name suggests, there's nothing wrong with a pebbley beach! However north shore has become a bit like rock climbing in parts the last 10 years or more. We used to give the beach since the turn of the century the joke name of "Llanberin Down" (clambering down) - as we tried not to break an ankle!
Our favourite bit of beach as a kid was always between Queens Road and the Arcadia, the crunch of pebbles, and finding some nice patchy sand to sit on, and at low tide a good sandy paddle (nowadays it needs to be the very extreme low tide to get any sand there). I miss pebbles, booo to rocks and stones, but i find all this talk of "restoring a sandy beach" a bit misleading - pebbles and sand was always the way.
A post card showing the beach in past times, lots of shingle and not much sand.
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Thanks for sharing your memories Pebbles, I enjoyed reading it as it brought back nice memories for me too. My favourite spot for swimming on the North Shore was near the Arcadia and I'd walk from home across the field where the Fun Fair used to be and then up the street by the Hydro Hotel
At high tide the water there was deep and clear and when you were swimming you could always see the pebbles below you. There was no churning up of sand at that spot and no sand sticking to you when you applied the Sun Creme so it was really good.
Llandudno had a lot more pebbles by the Imperial Hotel but a lot were moved for road building in Llandudno's very early development
I don't know what will happen next with the beach but the Council has spoiled two good beaches in the town the North Shore and the West Shore. You sent in a lovely photo of the West Shore some years ago showing the sea defence and the steps but sadly the steps have now gone too.
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I remember sandy beaches on the North shore when on holiday in the 1950s. Living in Llandudno in the 1960s I know the prom side of the beach had shingle but it was sandy shortly after that. I loved swimming by the slipway and my very favourite was to have a donkey ride along the beach. I have photos of myself on various donkeys and Olwen was a lovely lady who gave me a good ride as my mother knew her well. It was great to see the donkeys walking back to their field after a day's work. Later on I used to go horse riding at Bessie's stables and we often rode on the North shore beach on the sand and in the sea. I fell off in the sea one day when my horse shied. Bessie was keen for me to get back on although all my clothes were sopping wet.
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CONWY County Borough Council is starting ?investigation works? along Llandudno?s North Shore promenade this week as it plans future coastal defences.
The work is expected to finish before December, but may cause disruption to traffic and pedestrians in the meantime.
A council statement read: ?Llandudno North Shore promenade: we?re starting investigation works this week which will help us design future coastal defence improvements.
?We?ll be working on the prom and road between the pier and the lifeboat station.
cont CONWY County Borough Council is starting ?investigation works? along Llandudno?s North Shore promenade this week as it plans future coastal defences.
The work is expected to finish before December, but may cause disruption to traffic and pedestrians in the meantime.
A council statement read: ?Llandudno North Shore promenade: we?re starting investigation works this week which will help us design future coastal defence improvements.
?We?ll be working on the prom and road between the pier and the lifeboat station.
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Sorry folks messed last post up, try again........... :-[
CONWY County Borough Council is starting ?investigation works? along Llandudno?s North Shore promenade this week as it plans future coastal defences.
The work is expected to finish before December, but may cause disruption to traffic and pedestrians in the meantime.
A council statement read: ?Llandudno North Shore promenade: we?re starting investigation works this week which will help us design future coastal defence improvements.
?We?ll be working on the prom and road between the pier and the lifeboat station.
cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23877606.investigation-works-llandudnos-north-shore-promenade/