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Title: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on September 03, 2010, 03:04:45 PM
What's happening politically around the area
Title: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 04, 2010, 07:10:17 PM
Time to re-start Rex's Countdown Clock...  ;D

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I went past today and still no sign of the crash barriers. They also seem to be resetting all of the manhole covers and drains, for some reason, and the main part of the bridge still needs a coat or two of tarmac. The 10th September still seems the likeliest date for reopening.

Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on September 04, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
I went past at about 9:30am this morning and they were pile-driving the legs to the crash barriers on the left hand side as you approach from Deganwy.
I agree the 10th is still the likely date, but it may open to pedestrians/cyclists a few days earlier.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 04, 2010, 08:39:57 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Jason. Good to have you on board.  :)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on September 04, 2010, 08:49:47 PM
Thanks Dave, Congratulations on the New (Enhanced) Forum. Couldn't resist a comment on the subject of Measdu Bridge. Something I've kept a close eye on in Council.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on September 05, 2010, 08:14:14 AM
...or a shovel on?   WWW

Welcome aboard, Jason;  I echo Dave's sentiments.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on September 06, 2010, 09:06:29 PM
I heard today informally that the bridge is still on target for opening on Friday.  :Sisyphus:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 06, 2010, 09:22:00 PM
Will Joan Vaughan be smoking a ceremonial fag to open it?  _))*
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on September 06, 2010, 09:37:36 PM
I'm sure she will be extremeley relieved when it does open. There won't be any ceremony, the plan is to just open it asap.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: wrex on September 08, 2010, 07:16:32 PM
well its nearly finished get the flags out ;D
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: suepp on September 08, 2010, 08:00:27 PM
I've lost count of how many times I've approached the bridge having forgotton it was closed, I did it yesterday, hopefully that was the last time   ::)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Paddy on September 08, 2010, 09:39:45 PM
PCSO Mike Smith has had a walk over the bridge today and taken some pics for his FaceBook page.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=17954&id=100001308848260 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=17954&id=100001308848260)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 09, 2010, 09:31:17 AM
1 Day to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ^*^0 (*)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Quiggs on September 09, 2010, 11:51:49 AM
I overheard a conversation yesterday, which implied that due to having a cycle lane, there was insufficient room for two buses or large lorries to pass on the bridge. If true, you couldn't make it up!   :-[
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 09, 2010, 12:44:40 PM
That would be incredible if true.  8) I'm glad I called this thread 'the long running saga' as I suspect there's a lot more to come. :huh1:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Llechwedd on September 09, 2010, 02:58:04 PM
I wandered past yesterday and was amazed at how small it looks, well, except for the island. I'd be amazed if traffic could pass as you say. :huh1:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on September 09, 2010, 03:19:49 PM
The Bridge will open today at 4pm

Councillors have justed received notification form the Head of Highways:

"I am delighted to advise that Maesdu Bridge will be fully open to all traffic as of 4pm today. There will be some minor finishing works which will be carried out over the next week or two but these works will involve little or no traffic management".
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Bellringer on September 09, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
Splendid news Jason -  does this mean that Builder Street will be deserted? (Only joking)

I am sure the trades people on the West Shore will be pleased - it's been a long time.

Stan

Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: wrex on September 09, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
 :-XIts open  :P
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: wrex on September 09, 2010, 04:41:14 PM
 :DIt was such a pleasure to drive over the bridge again,so simple a pleasure,but what can i moan about,how many days before the railway station opens[or starts] :'(
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Paddy on September 09, 2010, 06:22:22 PM
I've just driven over the brand new bridge in my brand new car. A bit of an anti-climax really!
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 09, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
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I've just driven over the brand new bridge in my brand new car. A bit of an anti-climax really!
Is it as narrow as it looks in the photos, Paddy?  :o
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Paddy on September 09, 2010, 08:23:45 PM
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I've just driven over the brand new bridge in my brand new car. A bit of an anti-climax really!
Is it as narrow as it looks in the photos, Paddy?  :o

I'd guess it's a similar width to the old one Dave. It was actually quite busy with people turning around in the entrance to Fairways and going back over.

I think the new roundabout could be quite tricky for some of the larger vehicles to negotiate. It's really quite tight and I can envision the lights coming back in the near furure for it to be enlarged somehow!
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on September 10, 2010, 08:14:34 AM
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I'd guess it's a similar width to the old one Dave. It was actually quite busy with people turning around in the entrance to Fairways and going back over.

In a daze of disbelief perhaps?   :o
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 10, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
Thinking about it, I suppose there has to be a minimum width for such roads, so it was just the camera angle that made it look small.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Barbiroli on September 12, 2010, 02:21:24 PM
What a difference since the bridge opened no more queues on maesdu road going towards the links hotel, it was a nightmare getting in from Gwydyr road now it`s a doddle. :) :)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: nettle on September 12, 2010, 04:00:42 PM
Im sure the shops in west shore are happy the bridge is back open again  ;D
Cycle path's a bit wide how big are the bikes gonna be  _))*
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 12, 2010, 04:10:03 PM
Shall we have a competition to guess the length of time before one of the glass lamp globes on the bridge is broken by vandals? I'll go for 2 weeks....  :(
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: nettle on September 12, 2010, 04:13:18 PM
4 weeks i'll go for  :o
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Barbiroli on September 12, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
I hope you`r not tempting fate and giving the kids ideas. :o
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Sara on September 13, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
I heard the other day that it will be one way traffic for a couple of days soon so they can finish off bits and pieces.  :(
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 13, 2010, 11:38:41 AM
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I heard the other day that it will be one way traffic for a couple of days soon so they can finish off bits and pieces.  :(
Nooooooooooooooo.....  :o bawling.gif

ps. welcome to the new forum.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Llechwedd on September 16, 2010, 02:10:28 PM
Does anyone know what the red stripe round the island is for?  Please don't tell me it's a cycle track! :-[
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on September 17, 2010, 09:04:15 AM
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Please don't tell me it's a cycle track!

LOL!  I don't know for sure, but I suspect it's a way of deterring folk trying t take the roundabout more tan one car at a time.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on September 17, 2010, 09:06:49 AM
I suspect its similar to the extra bit they did on the big roundabout in Penrhyn Bay, so that larger vehicles can take the roundabout safely but cars have to keep on the other side of the line?
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on September 17, 2010, 09:10:18 AM
They learnt from the mini-roundabout at the Staples - MChampneys that too small a roundabout creates its own problems, so they created a visually large roundabout, but with sufficient clearance for the largest vehicles, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Yorkie on September 17, 2010, 05:15:35 PM
Having been away on my hols for a couple of weeks I missed the Grand Opening.  Just to make up for it I went over the bridge 3 times today.   Didn't want to chance a fourth so left myself on the wrong side and had to journey home the long way via Builder Street, which actually seemed shorter today!   *&(
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Indigo on September 22, 2010, 07:07:52 PM
Good to see they kept the original lamp standards.

Ah yes  - the red stripe around the roundabout must be a future pay zone.  Someone is always going round in circles.   :laugh:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Bellringer on September 24, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
I passed over the bridge tonight and noticed a sign which I think said "Dawnus - a talent for construction".

Has anyone really come out of this saga with any credit?
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on September 25, 2010, 09:13:36 AM
I bumped into a few highways officers over the past couple of days.
I still haven't found the exact reason for the inner red circle on the roundabout. :huh1:
One of the officers did admit it may have been done so that the target was easier to see when he is pushed from a passing aircraft. ;D

They did reassure me that the roundabout has been tested with various different vehicles including HGVs etc. They have all passed the tests.

The roundabout does seem to keeping the traffic moving, and seems to be working better than the old slip road system Has anyone found it a hinderance?

One officer that I won't name did say that its now finished and time to move on. Well as far as I can see it still has not finished as we still have temporary crash defences. As far as Members are concerned there are still many questions outstanding and for them to suggest it is time to move on is a very wrong assumption to make.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Bellringer on September 25, 2010, 10:15:52 AM
To be fair, it does seem to be operating quite well and I am not aware of any mishaps/incidents as yet.

 However for someone to say that it is time to move on after all that has happened (or not happened as the case might be), is a statement of sheer arragancy  and demonstrates their lack of respect for the general public who were severely affected by the bridge being closed for so long.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on September 25, 2010, 04:29:00 PM
 :o The Town council promise is too do nothing about their town manager,the xmas lights,early closing of bog island toilets,xmas parade[exactly the same every year],disgusting state of the small beach by the cenotaph lets be honest there is no leadership that counts. :-[
Title: Roads in the area
Post by: wrex on October 02, 2010, 03:14:40 PM
 :rage: Having just been for a walk past Mostyn Champneys,i noticed again how chaotic it is trying to leave at the Broadway exit,made worse now with the opening of Smyths toy store,Right opposite the exit is a very busy bus stop with no direct crossing too get to it,traffic on a Saturday backs up from the Asda lights,this whole area needs traffic management. :'(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on October 05, 2010, 06:35:21 PM
I saw this on Mike Priestley's blog:

"Having polled more votes than Plaid Cymru in the recent General Election, Aberconwy Libdems are targeting the Plaid held Aberconwy seat for the Welsh Assembly.

The result of their candidate poll was announced late on Monday with local Councillor Mike Priestley of Llandudno Junction selected with the overwhelming support of Liberal Democrat members.

Mike more than doubled the vote, gained by the Libdems in the last Assembly Election in Aberconwy and supporters are confident that with the retirement of popular Plaid AM Gareth Jones that they can also obtain more votes than Plaid at the Assembly election to be held on Thursday, May 5 2011.

Mike holds the Conwy County Borough Council Environment portfolio and was recently elected a Foundation Governor, representing north Wales, of Liverpool's highly esteemed Walton Centre for Neurology and Neurosurgery."

 $wales
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on October 05, 2010, 07:28:44 PM
Information Needed: I have been asked to give a talk on Maesdu Bridge for a local organisation. I would be really interested in any information or photographs I could use in relation to the original bridge and site (the level crossing)

Latest Info
I asked the Head of Service for an update on the bridge yesterday and have received the following information today:

1. The parapet sub-contractor are making final adjustments to the parapet beams and will be returning them to site and installing them at the end of the week.

2. The final 3 lighting columns should have been installed today and will be connected to the power supply this week.

3. The Surfacing Sub-contractor will be returning to site on Friday to reinstate Maesdu Rd,  where utilities trenches have been dug. They will also surface the westbound cycle exit near the Hospital Road junction.

4. The red area on the roundabout is an "overrun" area. The overrun area is defined by the Department of Transport. Although there is no physical difference it does provide an optical illusion which controls the flow of traffic around the roundabout. Having used the roundabout several times I can confirm I have tended to use it as the "overrun" area is intended. i.e. that most traffic will use the wider circumference of the roundabout, whereas longer vehicles will make use of the red segment to navigate the roundabout.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Trojan on October 05, 2010, 08:56:52 PM
Here's a photo of the old crossing Jason. Forum member Bri Robert's relation used to live in the nearby house and operated the crossing gate. She was known as "Lizzie Crossing". I seem to remember a connection to the Atherton family if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure Bri can add some additional info.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Trojan on October 05, 2010, 08:58:50 PM
The original bridge under construction:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: wrex on October 05, 2010, 09:16:28 PM
 8)  Trogan, how long did it take too build the original. _))*
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Trojan on October 05, 2010, 09:35:39 PM
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8)  Trogan, how long did it take too build the original. _))*

Not as long as this one, that's for sure.  L0L

However, they did over-budget on the original bridge too:

MAESDU CROSSING (RAILWAY BRIDGE).

20 December 1927

Major Owen:

Asked the Minister of Transport whether any grant has been sanctioned by his Department for the erection of a bridge across the railway at Maesdu crossing, Llandudno; if so, what is the sum allotted for the purpose and what are the conditions upon which it is made; and when will he make arrangements for this work to be started?

Colonel Ashley:

"The construction of a bridge across the railway at Maesdu crossing, Llandudno, is part of a scheme for the making of a new road. A grant of 50 per cent of the original estimated net cost of £25,117 was made in September, 1925, and I am sending the Hon Member a copy of the conditions upon which the grant was made. The works are now estimated to cost £29,657, based on the lowest tenders received, and the Conway Town Council has applied for an additional grant towards the extra cost. This application is under consideration"

Mr. Griffiths:

"Has not the Minister of Transport a Welshman to tell him how to pronounce these names?"

Colonel Ashley:

"I am going down there in February, and I hope to learn the proper pronunciation"  L0L

Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: JasonW on October 05, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
Thanks for that Trojan. I know Brian so I will have a chat with him.  *&(
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: wrex on October 10, 2010, 04:01:50 PM
 :rage:  Still not sure why the traffic lights exiting Mostyn Champneys only go on green for eight seconds causing long hold ups and exiting the other end is just as bad.  :rage:
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Yorkie on October 10, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
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:rage: Having just been for a walk past Mostyn Champneys,i noticed again how chaotic it is trying to leave at the Broadway exit,made worse now with the opening of Smyths toy store,Right opposite the exit is a very busy bus stop with no direct crossing too get to it,traffic on a Saturday backs up from the Asda lights,this whole area needs traffic management. :'(

Wrex you may remember that when ASDA's consultants presented their 400 page traffic analysis to the Council  they stated that there would be no traffic hold ups, no traffic chaos, or any gridlocks.  I seem to remember one Member of the Council replying that if it needed 400 pages to tell us there would be no problems, then it was virtually certain that there would be. :rage:

His prophesy proved correct!   D)

Modesty prevents me from naming the particular Councillor!    L0L    VV %0%
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: wrex on October 10, 2010, 07:29:54 PM
 :-[  I know exactly what highways will say,we dont want traffic backing up towards Asda,BUT stuff people stuck on Mostyn Champneys who can't get out,do the buisnesses on there not realise it could be effecting some of us from going on there at certain times of the week. :huh1:
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bellringer on October 10, 2010, 07:33:57 PM
Wrex you are absolutely right - I would hesitate to come into town to visit any store on Mostyn Champneys on Saturdays unless it was in the early morning.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Barbiroli on October 11, 2010, 06:51:17 PM
Hi Dave and Nettle, I think you have both lost your bets It`s over 4 weeks and the glass lamps are still intact. D) D)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on October 11, 2010, 07:40:58 PM
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Hi Dave and Nettle, I think you have both lost your bets It`s over 4 weeks and the glass lamps are still intact. D) D)

Bah! <:<:<:<
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: wrex on October 16, 2010, 08:18:36 AM
 *&(  If any of you are passing Mostyn Champneys today take in how busy it is, take in how chaotic it is trying to leave either exit and see how very dangerous it is crossing Mostyn Broadway and then try to appreciate why i rant about this lack of concern by councillors,highways. :rage:
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bellringer on October 16, 2010, 10:00:23 PM
There has been temporary traffic lights on Conwy bridge this week and at times queuing traffic has been as far back as the Weekly News island.
And it doesn't help when drivers obviously continue to go through the lights on "RED" on lots of occasions.

It looks as if they are going to be there for a few days yet.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: TheMedz on October 16, 2010, 10:10:01 PM
Parked up near the Collinge antiques shop at Llandudno Junction  and walked past on my way into and out of Conwy. I must admit I could see no obvious reason for such a large spread of cones and road works. Next weekend might be interesting if they are still there!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: wrex on October 17, 2010, 09:04:25 AM
???  The whole of Augusta St is full of potholes and is in need of resurfacing. :weeping:
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: JasonW on October 17, 2010, 03:41:23 PM
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There has been temporary traffic lights on Conwy bridge this week and at times queuing traffic has been as far back as the Weekly News island.
And it doesn't help when drivers obviously continue to go through the lights on "RED" on lots of occasions.

It looks as if they are going to be there for a few days yet.

I can't be sure of the reason but the location of the works on Conwy Cob are in the same location as the burst sewage pipe that had an emergency repair other the bank holiday weekend. It looks like Welsh Water may have been performing a permanent fix.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bellringer on October 18, 2010, 02:52:04 PM
Just come over the bridge and the lights have been removed and traffic is free-flowing again - hooray!
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Bellringer on October 22, 2010, 05:02:35 PM
The frustration and misery caused by the roadworks on the A55 at St Asaph is about to come to an end on Sunday. I think it must be nearly 11 years ago that a Tesco lorry damaged the bridge which  we were told brought about the works.

I suppose, a bit like Maesdu bridge, we shall forget the inconvenience in a few weeks time, but we still await an explanation over the bridge problems and delays, it all seems very quiet on the topic at present.

I wonder how long it will be before more work somewhere else on the A55 causes us so much inconvenience.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Blongb on October 22, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
It’s no surprise that Llandudno has major traffic problems, when the people who make all the decisions don’t even live in the town. Scrap the County Council and bring back Llandudno Urban District Council. Then we might just get some local accountability :rage:
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DaveR on October 22, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
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Scrap the County Council and bring back Llandudno Urban District Council. Then we might just get some local accountability :rage:
This is something I've advocated in the past and, with a lot of talk of council mergers lately, it's possible that a full merger of Conwy and Denbighshire County Councils could be on the cards in a  few years. Whilst things like Education and Social services can be handled at County or even Regional level, issues relating to the town itself need to be handled and decided upon at Town level.

Unfortunately, the Town Council appears to be woefully inadequate in dealing with relatively minor things like the Christmas lighting, let alone management of more major matters. What saddens me most about them at present is the paucity of ambition (and this is very evident in the Council Minutes) - it's not a case of 'we'd like to do this, this and this but we don't have the money' but more a case of 'we don't really want to do anything much' and this is a great shame, not to mention a great disservice to the people of Llandudno.
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Yorkie on October 22, 2010, 06:43:05 PM
Perhaps they are all awaiting the return (or not) of their illustrious Leader Mr Byron Davies to inject some enthusiasm!      ¢¢##  ¢¢##  ¢¢##  ¢¢##
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Trojan on October 23, 2010, 04:22:42 AM
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Perhaps they are all awaiting the return (or not) of their illustrious Leader Mr Byron Davies to inject some enthusiasm!      ¢¢##  ¢¢##  ¢¢##  ¢¢##

We have to wait to see if Mr Davies is found not guilty of injecting something else first.  :-X
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Nemesis on October 23, 2010, 08:40:00 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: Blongb on October 26, 2010, 08:06:04 PM
Be very careful what you say about Mr Davies, as I'm quite sure he will be found not guilty in the very near future. His biggest mistake, was not knowing who his real enemies were inside CCBC. When he comes back look out for fireworks and a few hasty redundancies  >>>
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: DaveR on October 26, 2010, 08:10:56 PM
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Be very careful what you say about Mr Davies, as I'm quite sure he will be found not guilty in the very near future. His biggest mistake, was not knowing who his real enemies were inside CCBC. When he comes back look out for fireworks and a few hasty redundancies  >>>
I find all this internal nonsense at CCBC pathetic.No wonder problems like the Pier Pavilion site are left unresolved for 16 years if these highly paid plonkers at Bodlondeb spend all their time plotting against each other instead of doing any real work. Get rid of the lot of them.  :rage:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Quiggs on October 27, 2010, 09:42:58 PM
I went over the Maesdu Bridge on Mon. they were removing the temporary concrete barriers, having completed the metal barriers. So it seems the installation is just about complete.    ZXZ  Z**  $wales
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 27, 2010, 10:49:30 PM
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Does anyone know what the red stripe round the island is for?  Please don't tell me it's a cycle track! :-[

I always make sure to drive on the red bit, I've paid my road tax so want to use all the road D)  L0L
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on October 28, 2010, 07:51:02 AM
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I've paid my road tax so want to use all the road


 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Roads in the area
Post by: wrex on October 31, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
 ;D  Glad to see Augusta Street is being resurfaced next week Z**
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 07, 2010, 03:24:58 PM
How about we scrap the Town Council in Llandudno and just have an elected Mayor, perhaps serving a 3 year term. The position attracts a decent salary in order to attract applications from people with some business sense. At an election, each candidate puts forward a specific agenda of actions that he/she intends to take and are judged upon their progress at the next election.

As far as their powers go, they have direct control over those depts that impact upon the look of the towns, i.e street cleaning & litter collection, public area maintenance, street lighting, parks & gardens, public events. They could also either control or have a strong input into other areas. i.e. economic development, planning etc. Depts such as Education, Social Services etc can still be handled at either County or even Regional level.

At present, the Town Council in Llandudno seems to suffer from a paucity of ambition, they do a 'little bit' here and there and think that is good enough. They would be more suited to running the affairs of a small village rather than the largest seaside resort in Wales.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 07, 2010, 04:05:01 PM
you've got my vote  D) Y^^Y
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on November 07, 2010, 07:42:16 PM
I am in full agreement,  Dave R ... you are the man, and I would commission a statue of you immediately to be erected in a place of your choosing after your death.   Any idea when that might be, by the way?

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 07, 2010, 07:47:26 PM
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I am in full agreement,  Dave R ... you are the man, and I would commission a statue of you immediately to be erected in a place of your choosing after your death.   Any idea when that might be, by the way?
Watch it or I'll send the lads around to see you....again.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on November 08, 2010, 05:33:46 AM
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I am in full agreement,  Dave R ... you are the man, and I would commission a statue of you immediately to be erected in a place of your choosing after your death.   Any idea when that might be, by the way?
Watch it or I'll send the lads around to see you....again.

How about Happy Valley? 8)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on November 08, 2010, 08:39:18 AM
An elected Mayor makes a lot of sense, for a place like Llandudno. I suspect it needs an act of parliament to achieve, however.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 17, 2010, 07:18:58 PM
Interesting little piece of useless knowledge:

The letters of "Town Councils" when re-arranged yields

"I count Clowns" - maybe there is a bit of truth there somwhere!  L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 17, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
I have to say that I do find the Dick Whittington style robes the Mayor & Deputy wears faintly ridiculous, not to mention another unnecessary cost for taxpayers. Why cannot they wear just a smart business suit like real Mayors, i.e Boris Johnson, do? They seem more interested in pampering their own egos than actually doing anything for the town.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 17, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
Maybe you don't know but the Mayor also has a Sargeant who is on a fairly decent retainer for doing nothing that is the least constuctive or even neccessary!    >>>

Do you think those tables meet with Health and Safety requirements or a Risk Assessment was carried out?      *&(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on November 17, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
Yorkie! ... like that doesn't hold true for EVERYONE in that picture!!   
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 17, 2010, 07:55:40 PM
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Maybe you don't know but the tall gentleman on the Mayor's right is her Sargeant who is on a fairly decent retainer for doing nothing that is the least constuctive or even neccessary!    >>>
He actually gets paid? For doing what?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 17, 2010, 08:01:06 PM
When originally give the title it was to lead the procession of the Mayor into the Council Chamber and do a bit of Director of Ceremony duties.    It was a constructed appointment.   $wales
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 17, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
I see that the Town Council' website is still woefully lacking in any useful information.

Like to read agendas or minutes of meetings? No chance!

Like to read how your money is raised and spent? No chance!

Like to be able to contact your Councillor by email in the 21st Century? No chance!

If anyone from the Town Council reads this, I beg you to take a look at this Town Council website:
http://www.ryetowncouncil.gov.uk/ (http://www.ryetowncouncil.gov.uk/)

It has every meeting agenda, copies of minutes, and details of how every penny is raised and spent - it's not difficult to do, so please DO IT!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Michael on November 17, 2010, 08:25:12 PM
Well done, Dave. As good a post as I have ever read. By the way how long did it take you to find Rye Council as an example? You deserve a medal for perserverance and patience (or a damn good search engine) Mike
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 17, 2010, 08:31:34 PM
Cheers,  Mike!  :) I was actually looking at property for sale in Rye and happened to see their Council's website. Rye is a lovely place:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/2900581052_555d8a6f76_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24609104@N06/2900581052/)
Mermaid Street hill, Rye, England (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24609104@N06/2900581052/#) by JarvisEye (http://www.flickr.com/people/24609104@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 17, 2010, 08:47:50 PM
There is a very nice little railway line there - the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
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There is a very nice little railway line there - the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway.
Indeed there is. Not been on it yet, though.

http://www.rhdr.org.uk/ (http://www.rhdr.org.uk/)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 20, 2010, 08:13:36 PM
The list of candidates for the Aberconwy seat in the Welsh Assembly elections is as follows:

Iwan Huws - Plaid Cymru
Ronnie Hughes - Labour
Mike Priestley - Lib Dem
Janet Finch Saunders - Conservatives
Jason Weyman - Independent/Annibynnol (to be confirmed very soon)

To my mind, it is likely be a straight fight between Iwan Huws of Plaid Cymru and the independent Jason Weyman (who is, of course, a member of this Forum). Labour/Lib Dem/Conservatives are pushing the same tired old faces.

I think Jason has been an excellent County Councillor; his openness and willingness to raise awkward issues are just how a good Councillor should be. His blog is a great example of how a modern local politician should be interacting with his constituents and publishing information of relevance to them.

 &well&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on November 22, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
 No political parties should stand for town council,ban all parties and make every candidate stand as individals. :'(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 22, 2010, 08:33:38 PM
That will give thee and me a chance then!!   Might even get our old seats back!    L0L  L0L  L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on November 22, 2010, 08:42:53 PM
Asnot you know Yorkie there are too many people sitting sitting in the chamber who have no interest but have been persauded by the party leaders just to make their parties look good and have the most seats leaving the council full of people who do not really want to be there and certainly do not want to discuss my xmas lights. ))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on November 22, 2010, 09:57:51 PM
Talking about politicians Oscar seems to have lost all interest in his site as there has been little action on his site :o
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 23, 2010, 12:27:42 PM
He is still posting reader's comments - maybe his script writer has taken a few days off.     ¢¢##
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on November 23, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
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The list of candidates for the Aberconwy seat in the Welsh Assembly elections is as follows:

Iwan Huws - Plaid Cymru
Ronnie Hughes - Labour
Mike Priestley - Lib Dem
Janet Finch Saunders - Conservatives
Jason Weyman - Independent/Annibynnol (to be confirmed very soon)

To my mind, it is likely be a straight fight between Iwan Huws of Plaid Cymru and the independent Jason Weyman (who is, of course, a member of this Forum). Labour/Lib Dem/Conservatives are pushing the same tired old faces.

I think Jason has been an excellent County Councillor; his openness and willingness to raise awkward issues are just how a good Councillor should be. His blog is a great example of how a modern local politician should be interacting with his constituents and publishing information of relevance to them.

 &well&

Many thanks for your kind words Dave. I need as much help as possible to highlight my candidacy (now confirmed) for the Welsh Assembly Elections.

wrex: I couldn’t agree with you more in respect of the poltical make up of councils.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Hugo on November 23, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
Good luck in the election Jason, hope it goes well for you.     Independant candidates nowadays seem few and far between which seems a shame, but I tend to  vote for the best candidate irrespective of the the party they represent.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on November 23, 2010, 03:09:17 PM
Best of luck,  We need more independents.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on November 26, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
A council newspaper was delivered last week and I was horrified to see how much money they get especially three of them. Is it justified?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 26, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
They will tell you it is!    You must however make up your own mind. . . . . . . .  ¢¢##
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Micox on November 29, 2010, 05:41:13 PM
I thought the LibDems had been condemned by everyone as the LieDems (you actually support Clegg  the betrayer, Dave?). If I was back there, I'd give my support to the independent candidate everytime. If no independent it would be Plaid.  $welsh$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 05:46:42 PM
I've never supported the LibDems, Micox.  :o  Sitting on the fence all the time would be far too painful.  ;D

Like yourself, I'd go for Independents or Plaid.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Micox on November 29, 2010, 05:56:22 PM
My sincere apologies Dave; I jumped to a wrong conclusion from you're first entry.  :-[
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 05:59:48 PM
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My sincere apologies Dave; I jumped to a wrong conclusion from you're first entry.  :-[
No problem, mate, I've been called worse things than a LibDem in my time...but not very often!  _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on November 29, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
Please don’t put your faith in Plaid. Our local Gareth Jones OBE AM sat in my lounge just before he was elected and told me to my face and I Quote "Well we don't really want the Tourists here do we"  ))* and at a pre arranged meeting at 2 o'clock in the afternoon at the Imperial Hotel with our Heritage Minister Alun Ffred Jones A M he actually had the audacity to fall asleep right there in front of us.  ))* ))* No way, Jose. In a past life I was proud to be counted amongst the 23000 who stood up and helped put Martin Bell into Westminster to represent us  >>> The only way forward is to vote in at every level of representation an Independent Candidate
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
Thats utterly hilarious, imagine the mind-numbing stupidity of a man saying to a hotelier...''we don't want tourists here do we?''   L0L _))*

What the Plaid councillors seem to forget (and I am thinking of one in particular) is that the vast majority of people in this town originally came here as tourists at some stage in the past. (Including him)... but they are too stupid to realise that.



Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 09:21:01 PM
Gareth Jones is a former Headmaster of Ysgol John Bright, so can hardly be called stupid (I would hope).
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2010, 09:27:36 PM
Well, if you look at what BlongB says.... its hardly the most intellectual of remarks by an ex-headmaster is it?

''Certain'' Plaid representatives remind me of the vast majority of BNP candidates in this respect..... ''some'' have a 'hot-headed' and nationalistic basis to thier beliefs,.. but once elected have no idea how to administer basic elements of local government such as street lighting or waste management.
There is more to being in high office than just hating outsiders.... but it can often get you the vote!

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 29, 2010, 09:30:59 PM
Maybe the answer to our problems is to import the Scottish National Party with Mr Salmond et All.    L0L

At least it would put a new perspective on politics in Wales.    *&(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 09:31:53 PM
In my experience, the most ardent Welsh nationalists are those which weren't born in Wales.  :o
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2010, 09:32:42 PM
A bit like ex-smokers then?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 29, 2010, 09:36:05 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on November 29, 2010, 10:48:16 PM
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Gareth Jones is a former Headmaster of Ysgol John Bright, so can hardly be called stupid (I would hope).

Gaz Grecian we called him, due to his grey hair (Grecian 2000 shampoo)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 30, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
I see from Jason's blog that Cllr Peter Kraus has been suspended for 12 months from Conwy Town Council:

"The case tribunal found that Cllr Kraus on five occasions failed to show respect and consideration for others and used foul and abusive language, aggressive behaviour and insulting comments. "

http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/2010/11/conwy-town-cllr-peter-kraus-suspended.html (http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/2010/11/conwy-town-cllr-peter-kraus-suspended.html)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on November 30, 2010, 01:20:52 PM
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In my experience, the most ardent Welsh nationalists are those which weren't born in Wales.  :o

After all, Owen Glyndŵr, Welsh hero, was after all nothing more than a Yorkist rebel fighting for his own ends  $wales
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Micox on November 30, 2010, 05:41:29 PM
Is Gareth Jones the same person who started at JB at the same time as Hoppy?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 01, 2010, 05:32:26 PM
What the Town Council spends our money on (last year):
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 01, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
What  are the "Projects" that cost almost 70k I wonder?       *&(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bellringer on December 01, 2010, 05:47:07 PM
And the "Grants"?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on December 01, 2010, 05:56:17 PM
Good questions....Grants and Projects bear further investigation don't they?

They sound like very convenient 'catch all' categories to hide things in to me...

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 01, 2010, 06:30:14 PM
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Good questions....Grants and Projects bear further investigation don't they?

They sound like very convenient 'catch all' categories to hide things in to me...

Grants are actually one of the more transparent expenditures.  The Grants have to be applied for by Groups or Societies or Local Chariries such as the Scouts, the Rugby Club, Sea Scouts etc.etc. 
The amount given to each Group is not always the amount requested but is decided by the Grants Committee and approved by the Council.   
Of course some are questioned such as Grants to the aformentioned Rugby Club and also to that other commercial venture, the Football Club.  Generally, however, I think most folk would consider the Grants approved as being acceptable.  The Precept the Town Council receives contains an element of a small sum (say 50p) per person, for distribution in this way.

It is some of the other stuff that needs a good looking at!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 01, 2010, 06:36:49 PM
It seems silly councils paying vat when the money to pay it has come from the government in the first place  ???
so many people paid to collect taxes and pass it on again, seems mad to me (and of cause we provide the money in the first place!)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 01, 2010, 06:44:35 PM
How do we spend £11k on Llandudno in Bloom?  The County Council maintain all the flower beds or are we still paying for privately owned hanging baskets to be watered at a cost of £5k?

Is such an expense even necessary?  Most of the town's people take pride in their gardens and floral displays and would participate without the Council Committee going on jollies.

The expense for North Western Gardens is solely for the loos!   How much revenue does the Council receive from this public convenience to offset this expenditure.  Give the place back to the County!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bellringer on December 01, 2010, 06:50:40 PM
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And the "Grants"?

In 2001/2 when carrying out a refurbishment of the bells at Holy Trinity, we did apply and a sum of £1,000 was granted.
In 2004/5 a sum of £2,000 was granted for restoration of Holy Trinity's stained glass windows.
The total cost of these two projects was in the region of £80,000 and we were very grateful for the two grants.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 01, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
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What the Town Council spends our money on (last year):

Did you manage to obtain details of Income?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 03, 2010, 06:17:35 PM
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Did you manage to obtain details of Income?
Of course!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 03, 2010, 06:21:56 PM
From that we can now see the nett profit or loss for each activity!  N W Gardens seem to be costing a bomb!   At 20p a pee they should be coining it in from all these tourists.    

No income from Projects - whatever they are!   )*)&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 03, 2010, 06:46:04 PM
What's noticeable most to me is that, with a £252,000 precept, nearly £100,000 of that money goes on administration (salaries, rent, admin, insurance)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 03, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
Once upon a time (another fairy story) there wre only 2 in the office for the same committees and number of Councillors.  That took a 50% increase a year or so ago.  Tea and biscuits have increased in price and hot air has gone through the roof!   Detailed accounts reveal the truth.

A few years ago I had almost every invoice from the Council which received very analytical treatment and there were many items I considered unneccessary or bordering on malpractice.  I'll check through all the c**p I have in my files and see if I can find anything.  Maybe  it's time for a new request for more information.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on December 04, 2010, 11:05:55 PM
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Is Gareth Jones the same person who started at JB at the same time as Hoppy?

He became headmaster around 1975 Mike.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on March 05, 2011, 08:32:44 AM
Thanks to Jason for this link re a postmortem on the Maesdu Bridge debacle:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000107/M00002321/AI00027889/MaesduBridgeProgressUpdate.pdf (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000107/M00002321/AI00027889/MaesduBridgeProgressUpdate.pdf)

Basically, the Council are now suing the Design Consultant, who was paid £684,000 for making a complete balls up of estimating the costs of construction.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on March 05, 2011, 08:45:57 AM
Thanks indeed, Jason. Makes interesting reading.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 05, 2011, 09:00:49 AM
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Basically, the Council are now suing the Design Consultant, who was paid £684,000 for making a complete balls up of estimating the costs of construction.

I could have made a complete balls up for a lot less than that!  :D
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Ian on March 05, 2011, 09:46:37 AM
Quote
I could have made a complete balls up for a lot less than that!


 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2011, 11:07:58 AM
I see on Oscar's Blog that the debate about having an elected Mayor to replace the current Cabinet system has raised its head again, with Billybloggs saying...

"If i was an "Elected" mayor, Ronnie's cabinet would be out of the window, a Town Clerk on a modest salary would replace the CEO, widespread streamlining and amalgamation of core duties at the top, allowing some high paid jobs to go, and a cull of the non-jobbers. A complete audit of supply costs to save on consumables, and an investment in the operatives who do the work at the sharp end.Transparency and accountability at all levels"

This is something I think is a really good idea, I've been banging on about it for years on my Blog:

Something I've been getting more and more concerned about over the last few years is the way in which public sector organisations (in particular, local Government) have become detached from the very communities they are supposed to be working for. All too often, we hear about supposed 'Public Consultations' and it is obvious that these are a complete sham - any decision that needed to be taken was made behind closed doors long ago. Indeed, I get the distinct impression that certain individuals view themselves as the the masters of the 'little people', rather than the public servants that they actually are.

I believe that we need to give new life to democracy in local Government and we can start with one major change to the present system, namely an elected Mayor for Conwy County.

Anyone can stand for Mayor, (subject to the same nomination procedure as for Councillors) and each candidate must set out set out a number of clear goals/objectives that their performance in achieving (or otherwise) can be judged against at re-election time. The position would operate in the same way as London's elected Mayor and would, therefore, have the power/financial budget to drive through their plans: http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/ (http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/)


http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2009/10/power-to-people.html (http://llandudnoandcolwynbay.blogspot.com/2009/10/power-to-people.html)

...and now there is a proposal to introduce an elected Mayor for Isle of Anglesey - a Council which has had far more serious problems than Conwy:


Elected mayor 'could end political strife on Anglesey'

"A referendum should be held on creating a directly-elected mayor for Anglesey, says the public spending watchdog. After years of council in-fighting, auditor general Huw Vaughan Thomas says a mayor could offer stability. The Wales Audit Office said ministers' efforts to sort out the problems had not produced a sustainable recovery.

Local Government Minister Carl Sargeant is to make a statement on the council, which could see commissioners brought in to run the authority. It rates the chances of recovery by August as "poor" and says commissioners should be appointed to run it. Mr Sargeant called in the auditor general to inspect the council in February and he will give AMs his conclusions in the Senedd later. A recovery board was appointed to oversee the council in 2009 after an earlier inspection found it had a long history of not being run properly. Wednesday's report says it is now time to "intervene more directly" and the executive functions of the authority should be given to ministerially-appointed commissioners.

It also recommends ministers consider directing the authority to hold a referendum seeking local voters' views on a directly-elected mayor and cabinet. Although there are risks involved, it says it could provide stable leadership and avoid the current jockeying for power between groups of councillors. Ceredigion is the only Welsh county to hold such a referendum, where the idea was rejected in 2004."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-12759423 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-12759423)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on March 19, 2011, 11:25:21 AM
I tend to agree. Although I've always thought that local authorities are the last people to be entrusted with anything, at least an elected mayor with real power might actually accomplish something and could be got rid of at the next election.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 21, 2011, 09:40:23 AM
A REFERENDUM on whether to elect an Anglesey mayor could happen next year as signatures are already being collected in a bid to trigger the vote.

MP Mr Owen said a mayor could provide a solution and petition papers have already been approved as the campaign would require 5,000 signatures (10% of the electorate) to trigger the referendum. Labour activists will start collecting names of supporters and a fully fledged campaign to reach the 5,000 total will start after the Welsh Assembly Government elections in May.

MP Mr Owen said: “We are in a desperate situation and we need radical answers.

“Currently the leader of the council is someone elected with 200 or so votes from their own ward and then selected by a small group of councillors, that is not a mandate. “A mayor would be elected for four years and would give you that stability. They would be elected on a programme and manifesto and they would have to deliver on that or they will find it hard when they seek re-election.”


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/03/21/anglesey-mayor-vote-could-happen-in-2012-55578-28371709/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/03/21/anglesey-mayor-vote-could-happen-in-2012-55578-28371709/)

Does that therefore mean we would just need to collect 5,000 signatures (or whatever 10% of the electorate is here) here in Conwy County to have a Referendum on an Elected Mayor here?

"A British citizen who is a permanent resident in a local council area, registered on the electoral roll and over 18 can run a local petition for a referendum which has the force of law above any council decision under the Local Government Act 2000. "
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on April 04, 2011, 08:41:05 PM
I have today announced that I am in fact standing as a Assembly Candidate in the forthcoming Election on the 5th May.
I am the (only) Independent Candidate on the North Wales Region list.

http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/2011/04/north-wales-regional-assembly-candidate.html (http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/2011/04/north-wales-regional-assembly-candidate.html)

On the 5th May at the polling station you will receive 3 ballot papers.
My name will appear on the White piece of paper below the 10 poltical parties.

With your help I have a chance to be able to represent Conwy and the rest of North Wales as one of the additional members. Statistically I have a better chance of obtaining one of these seats, than I would have fighting the main parties in the Aberconwy seat.

I would appreciate any help you can offer, by passing the word to as many contacts as possible you have across North Wales.

Many Thanks
Jason
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 04, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
Good Luck, Jason! I've given you a plug on my Facebook and Twitter.  ££$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 05, 2011, 07:44:47 AM
Good luck, Jason  ££$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on April 05, 2011, 09:06:07 AM
Many Thanks Dave and Ian.

I hope I will be seen as a viable alternative to the Poltical Parties (both the 4 main and the 6 other)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 06, 2011, 10:39:47 AM
On 7 March  I sent in a Freedom of Information request to Llandudno Town Council.  The 20 day deadline for a reply came and went on Monday  4 April.    What a load of Tossers they are, breaking the Law of the Land!

Regret that it looks like yet another complaint to the Informtion Commissioner and another rap cross the knuckles for them.    >>>
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2011, 11:00:28 AM
You should perhaps try making the request via this website, so that everyone can see their response (or lack of it):
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/llandudno_town_council (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/llandudno_town_council)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Hugo on April 06, 2011, 11:21:56 AM
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On 7 March  I sent in a Freedom of Information request to Llandudno Town Council.  The 20 day deadline for a reply came and went on Monday  4 April.    What a load of Tossers they are, breaking the Law of the Land!

Regret that it looks like yet another complaint to the Informtion Commissioner and another rap cross the knuckles for them.    >>>

Mine came back within the prescribed time limit when I asked them about the cost of sand clearance on the West Shore.     D)
Unfortunately I don't believe the figure quoted and think that they are way out and have under estimated it!      :o
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 06, 2011, 11:26:25 AM
Dave - "Good idea Son", as Max Bygraves would have said!    ZXZ

In the past I have always written with a Recorded Delivery Letter.  I am almost persona no grata as far as Llandudno Town Council are concerned as I had a major arguement with them due to a past Town Clerk regarding a defamation issue.   I have been a PITA for a long time.   I am on good terms with some Town Councillors, unless of course, they are playing both sides, but there are certain "older" Members who certainly do not appreciate the boat being rocked.

At one time they even passed a resolution not to accept email correspondence from me!    It seems that such could still be the case, which to me sparks of victimisation.   If I find it is still so I will be hot foot to the Ombudsman.

I don't really care what they think or do as it just goes to indicate what worthless and small minded people many of them are.      Every dog has its day!    Woof Woof!     L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 06, 2011, 11:29:38 AM
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Mine came back within the prescribed time limit when I asked them about the cost of sand clearance on the West Shore.     D)

Was that Llandudno Town or Conwy County Council?   I would have thought that such would be a County Council job.    They are very quick and efficient with FoI requests, even by e-mail which I generally use. $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 07, 2011, 12:00:51 AM
Yorkie, yes,every dog has its day.... on this day, it was your turn to get PUT DOWN!

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 07, 2011, 08:53:38 AM
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Yorkie, yes,every dog has its day.... on this day, it was your turn to get PUT DOWN!
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I'll take myself walkies along to the vet, COUNCILLOR Chris Cater, then!    _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on April 07, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
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Yorkie, yes,every dog has its day.... on this day, it was your turn to get PUT DOWN!
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I'll take myself walkies along to the vet, COUNCILLOR Chris Cater, then!    _))*

It's a dog eat dog world......... 8)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 08, 2011, 08:30:55 AM
I love dogs - I don't care how they're cooked!     WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 03, 2011, 11:34:48 AM
I just received this email from the Snowdonia Society:

Election to the National Assembly for Wales 2011 - Responses from Candidates

In April the Society wrote to all the candidates in the election to the National Assembly for Wales 2011
whose prospective constituencies would cover part of Snowdonia National Park. We asked the
candidates for their opinion on our policy suggestions for the next Welsh government (based on our
joint manifesto document) and for further information on their parties' manifesto commitments,
including how they would affect the National Park. We received five responses.
(Only the ones relevant to Aberconwy/Clwyd West have been reproduced - DaveR)


Dyfed Edwards (Plaid Cymru, North Wales Regional List) noted that this issue will be discussed in
more detail after the election.

Iwan Huws (Plaid Cymru, Aberconwy) is former Chief Executive of Snowdonia National Park
Authority and is passionate about Snowdonia – its people, communities, culture, landscape and
wildlife. He knows the area well, having been involved with Snowdonia all his working life. He was
very friendly with Esmé and Peter Kirby and was heavily involved when Dyffryn Mymbyr was gifted to
the National Trust. He is a previous member of CNP's Wales Advisory Council and was a co-opted
member of CNP's full Council. The interests of Snowdonia and National Parks in general will be very
important to him if he is elected and he would always put the interests of Snowdonia first. He believes
that the planning system needs reform, but that Park Authorities need to be part of that system. The
idea of a US style National Parks and Wildlife Service interests him together with an integrated
warden service for Wales with a Welsh idendity rather than separate institution identities. His priority
with any changes will be to protect places like Snowdonia and safeguard their future for quiet
enjoyment for generations to come.

Llyr Huws Gruffydd (Plaid Cymru, North Wales Regional List) believes passionately in protecting
and improving natural beauty, wildlife and the heritage of areas such as Snowdonia. He believes
much more should be done on a holistic basis to promote the value and potential of Snowdonia in
policy areas including education, economic development and health in addition to planning,
environment and rural affairs. He is strongly in favour of encouraging more people to enjoy our
National Parks for the health benefits (including mental health) as well as to help people value
Snowdonia's natural beauty and rich wildlife. He believes we need to reach out to under-represented
groups and is especially interested in developing stronger links with local communities in the Park. In
relation to the proposed Commission, he would want to ensure that any changes occur on the basis of
defending genuine values and not for political or financial reasons alone. His fundamental position on
Snowdonia is that our generation has inherited the responsibility for ensuring that the rich endowment
of natural beauty, wildlife and heritage is protected.

Mark Isherwood (Welsh Conservatives, North Wales Regional List) believes that Snowdonia is a
national treasure. The Welsh Conservatives consider that introducing direct elections to the National
Park Authorities will promote greater interest from the public in their national parks, increase local
influence and help to ensure that local interests are fully reflected in decisions that affect the way that
they are run. He thinks that this policy will also widen the pool of advice and local knowledge upon
which National Park Authorities will be able to draw, and will enable National Park Authorities to
locate expert and specialist advice from other sources, including representatives of volunteer or
nongovernmental organisations. His party would seek to introduce a more enterprise-focused
planningpolicy which allows for greater community participation and reward, both economic and
social, and to alter planning guidelines to ease restrictions for affordable housing and businesses,
particularly thoseinvolved in tourism, where they have the support of the local community.

As of this morning (3 May) no other candidates had responded to our request for information.


Interesting to see no response from Mike Priestley, Janet Finch-Saunders or Eifion Wyn Williams?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on May 03, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
I have received many such communication (Police, Students, Wales Assembly for Women) as a candidate but I didn't receive this one.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on May 04, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
UKIP outside Waterstones!!!!!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 04, 2011, 01:37:37 PM
Janet Finch-Saunders outside my house.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 04, 2011, 05:47:27 PM
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Janet Finch-Saunders outside my house.

Fester is going to be jealous.  ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 04, 2011, 06:32:47 PM
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Janet Finch-Saunders outside my house.

Fester is going to be jealous.  ;D

Janet visited me for a chat yesterday, that's twice now!  $good$ :P D) D)
She liked her picture on the forum of her in a clown outfit :D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on May 04, 2011, 06:47:48 PM
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UKIP outside Waterstones!!!!!

I walked past twice but they didn't want to speak to me  :D

They were to interested picking on elderly ladies who were trying to have a rest on the seats outside the Victoria Centre.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on May 04, 2011, 07:01:23 PM
I have kept my campaigning away from the Forum, but with your permission I will make one last plea for your support.
Tomorrow you will receive 2 Assembly Election ballot papers.
- The first to select your Constituency Candidate e.g. Aberconwy or Clwyd West
- The second White ballot allows you to select a party or individual to represent the North Wales Region. It is this ballot where I ask for your support.

The regional vote is based on proportional representation across the whole of North Wales, as such with just 8% of the vote I will have a very good chance of gaining one of the four extra Assembly seats.

As an Independent I'm not constrained by Party Politics and will ensure I continually ask "How will this benefit North Wales". I will work across the political spectrum to ensure North Wales is considered in all policies and decisions.

http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com (http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com)

Please vote for:
Jason Weyman
Independent/Annibynnol

(you can find me at the bottom of the white ballot paper)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Pendragon on May 04, 2011, 07:18:12 PM
You can count on my vote Jason, I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say you appear to really care about the community and always keep us up to date with matters of concern.  politicians always seem "one step beyond" to me, you on the other hand seem to be on the ball and have the peoples best interests at heart.  I hope you win.  You'll have to forgive my lay mans point of view but as you know politics is not really my thing.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 04, 2011, 07:25:53 PM
Good Luck tomorrow, Jason.  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 04, 2011, 07:28:56 PM
Read some of the answers to questions regarding the live debate which was aired on Tudno FM:

http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/ (http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/)

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 04, 2011, 07:51:59 PM
I've told Janet that I'll put a cross in her box anytime.    D)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 04, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
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I've told Janet that I'll put a cross in her box anytime.    D)

Jesus  :o
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 04, 2011, 08:32:18 PM
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She liked her picture on the forum of her in a clown outfit :D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on May 04, 2011, 11:36:35 PM
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Good Luck tomorrow, Jason.  $good$

I would wish you good luck tomorrow, if I wasn't heartily sick of all politicians at the moment.

You may well be the best of a bad bunch, I don't know.... but if you are elected, please don't sell out and give us all a reason to become even more cynical about politics and politicians.

I look forward to seeing progress on the Pier Pavilion issue and others, very soon.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on May 05, 2011, 07:47:53 AM
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if you are elected, please don't sell out and give us all a reason to become even more cynical about politics and politicians.

Politics is changing - rapidly - and it's the most compelling reason to vote YES in the AV vote, today. And good luck, Jason :-))
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 05, 2011, 11:16:22 AM
I think the question on the ballot paper on the subject of AV could have been worded better although I suppose the responsibility rests with the voter to read and understand the question.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on May 05, 2011, 09:55:18 PM
Each time I see a grinning idiot in a RED rosette.... I can't help thinking, how dare you?   Your lot had over a decade in power... and look at the mess we are in.

Each time I see a grinning idiot in a BLUE rosette, I think to myself... b****r off, you lot have done nothing to tackle the greedy financial instituations like you promised you would do. Just a lot of empty, posturing hot air.

Each time I see a fool in a YELLOW rosette, I think.... you will simply sell your principles to whoever is in power, so stop wasting your time.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Paddy on May 05, 2011, 10:09:01 PM
I voted "no" to the Alternative Vote but my second choice was "yes"!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 05, 2011, 10:31:14 PM
 _))* _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2011, 11:25:21 AM
Results due for Aberconwy and Clwyd West shortly. Both look to be Conservative victories.

Jason was unsuccessful in becoming an AM, sadly.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2011, 11:55:21 AM
Aberconwy Regional Ballot results:

Conservatives - 6,153
Plaid Cymru 4,948
Welsh Labour 4905
Lib Dems 1,653
UKIP 959
Green Party 477
BNP 362
Socialist Labour Party 337
Jason Weyman 318
Christian Party 129
Welsh Communist Party 43
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2011, 12:19:46 PM
Clwyd West Result

Darren Millar Conservatives 10,980
Crispin Jones Labour 6,642
Eifion Lloyd Jones Plaid Cymru 5,775
Brian Cossey Lib Dems 1,846
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Michael on May 06, 2011, 12:26:08 PM
Hello Fester, Well at least I now know you consider me a fool---thats better than being a grinning idiot!! Never mind, we will be on speaking terms again tomorrow  Ha Ha
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2011, 01:06:48 PM
Aberconwy results,

Janet Finch Saunders Conservatives 6,888
Iwan Huws Plaid Cymru 5,321
Eifion Wyn Williams Labour 5,206
Mike Priestley Lib Dems 2,873
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on May 06, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
Oh ********* all these flipping English pensioners have voted Conservative.  That's ruined my day.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Pendragon on May 06, 2011, 01:43:04 PM
Ditto  :(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 06, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
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Oh ********* all these flipping English pensioners have voted Conservative.  That's ruined my day.

I'm not a pensioner :P  ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2011, 06:14:36 PM
At least Jason beat the Communists!

North Wales Region

Party         Member                  Seats Votes       %     +/-%



Conservative
Mark Allan Isherwood &
Antoinette Geraldine Sandbach 2     52,201   26.8    +1.2

Plaid Cymru
Llyr Huws Gruffydd                     1     41,701   21.4    -4.3

Liberal Democrat
Aled Roberts                                 1    11,507    5.9     -1.9

Labour                                            0    62,677   32.2   +5.8

UK Independence Party              0      9,608    4.9    +0.9

Socialist Labour Party                  0      4,895    2.5    +1.4

British National Party                   0      4,785    2.5     -2.6

Green                                               0      4,406    2.3     -0.6

Welsh Christian Party                  0      1,401     0.7    +0.1

Independent - Weyman               0      1,094     0.6     0

Communist Party of Britain         0         523      0.3   -0.1


Turnout                                               194,798      0     -0.3
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2011, 06:18:54 PM
I feel as though Jason struggled in his exposure outside the local area to a large degree, and even within the local area in terms of the non-Internet blog/forum using section of the community. This is where a Political Party machine makes all the difference, of course. Some sort of leaflet that is delivered to all households would be a must next time, I think, but that costs money.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 06, 2011, 06:34:07 PM
Personally I would say that getting only approximately 0.5% of the vote is less that the element of chance!   Not a very good result!   I feel somewhat sorry for him as he seems such a nice chap.


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Oh ********* all these flipping English pensioners have voted Conservative.  That's ruined my day.

What a *******  shame - blame 2 of them on my household.  This is the very first time in 40 years we have voted against the Liberal or Lib/Dem Party.   And is there something wrong with the English?   They don't go burning down peoples houses, and they did regain Conwy Castle, so they can't be that bad!   :P   :P

Oh forgot mention - the OH is Welsh!  WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 06, 2011, 07:59:33 PM
Well done to Janet Finch Saunders, best of luck  D)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Dwyforite on May 06, 2011, 08:51:39 PM
there is nothing wrong with the english,if you want to be among the most hated race in the world,look nearer to home to see the crimes committed against the irish and the welsh,and try reading  rape of the fair country and this proud and savage land and then tell me your proud of being english
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 06, 2011, 09:18:30 PM
Dwyforite said: ...nearer to home to see the crimes committed against the irish and the welsh,and try reading  rape of the fair country and this proud and savage land  

I am not aware of any crimes or rape of Ireland or Wales, so will have to read up on the History.  However this will be unlikely to  change my present national feelings, so until then I will continue to be proud of being called British!    $uk   And that is despite my ancestry being half Dutch and half Yorkshire.

Or putting it another way, I'm proud of my heritage and do not have any time for squabbles and arguements with my fellow countrymen.    >>>
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Michael on May 06, 2011, 09:36:57 PM
I dont consider this forum to be very interested in politics, thats probably why I never mentioned the subject. However, just in case anyone is interested, this is probably the most miserable day politically I have ever had in my life. Surfice to say my first introduction to politics was in 1945. I first voted around 1957 (you had to be 21 years old to vote). Capital letters now. I HAVE NEVER, IN THE WHOLE OF MY LIFE, BEEN REPRESENTED BY MY CHOICE. Despite voting I think every time. Shouting again. SOLELY BECAUSE OF THIS FIRST PAST THE POST SYSTEM. So, goodnight, I'm going to bed and pulling the blankets over my head. Mike
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 07, 2011, 07:50:32 AM
I know how it feels Mike, this is the first year I've got what I voted for.   And this time my vote was placed on the person rather than the Party, as the candidate is well known to me.     ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on May 07, 2011, 10:44:44 AM
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there is nothing wrong with the english,if you want to be among the most hated race in the world,look nearer to home to see the crimes committed against the irish and the welsh,and try reading  rape of the fair country and this proud and savage land and then tell me your proud of being english

It's really hard to know where to start with your post, D, but it represents a parochial, nationalistic view - to me - which I believe epitomises all that's wrong with the world today. What you call the 'English' doesn't exist as a single entity, any more than the UN exists as a single country.  In fact, I would argue that the British became the world superpower they did between the wars because they incorporated all that was good from around the world, as they have for centuries.

But it goes much deeper. If you still think in such tribal terms, then remember that the original inhabitants of this fair Isle were Neanderthals, who were then wiped out by invaders from Southern Europe and the near East. If they went on to become today's Welsh, who, then, committed the greater crimes?  Or does crime not matter when it's a long time ago? And, if so, where d'you draw the line?

The tribe you call the 'English' are no more culpable in the crimes you assign them than the current American family is with regard to General Custer and the Native Americans. Society and humankind evolves  - or at least, one hopes they do - and tribal allegiances are just that:  patrician loyalties based on short-term expediency with little or no basis in fact. Crimes have been committed through the years - millions of them, probably starting with the first inhabitants in the Palaeolithic era, but to assign any current social group with direct responsibility for those is as daft as blaming Adam and Eve for the present state of society.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Pendragon on May 07, 2011, 11:39:41 AM
If the town council has no power why do we have one?

That's what I was thinking?  What is their role?  Do they cost you money?  I say you as I don't live in Llandudno.  I suppose they must get expenses paid meals on the tax payer.  How would you go about disbanding them then?  The poll on here seems to suggest no one has any respect or confidence in what they do or in fact don't do.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 07, 2011, 11:48:49 AM
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If the town council has no power why do we have one?

Pull the hotel down and build a multi screen cinema.

I guess Mostyn Estates will know better than most what will be built on there.

After all they now occupy the property where Courts used to be and they have recently acquired the shop on the corner of Mostyn Street/ Vaughan Street.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 07, 2011, 11:55:21 AM
The Town Council has many powers but chooses to utilise few of them. In other words, there's a lot they could do but they can't be bothered. They have a budget of about £300k a year, which equates to about £30 per household in Llandudno. Spent wisely, that money could go a long way.

Pendragon, you have your own Town Council in Conwy:
http://www.conwytowncouncil.gov.uk/ (http://www.conwytowncouncil.gov.uk/)

Powers that a Town Council could use:

Allotments    
Provision and maintenance of allotments for cultivation.

Arts*    
Developing and improving knowledge of the arts and the crafts which serve the arts.

Baths    
Provision of baths and wash-houses (which in modern terms may mean a launderette).

Borrowing    
Parish, Town and Community Councils may borrow money subject to certain limits.
The Local Government Act 2003 removed the requirement for prior loan approval.

Cemeteries*    
Provision and maintenance of burial grounds, cemeteries, crematoria, mortuaries and post-mortem rooms.

Church yards    
Power to contribute to the costs of a churchyard in use and a duty to maintain any closed churchyard where the duty has been transferred by the Church of England.

Clocks*    
Provision and maintenance of public clocks, on churches or elsewhere.

Commons    
Power to protect any finally registered common which has no registered owner.

Crime prevention*    
installation of equipment and establishment of schemes for the detection or prevention of crime; making grants to the police authority for these purposes.

Entertainments*    
Provision of any form of public entertainment and any premises for giving entertainments. (This includes maintaining bands or orchestras and providing for dancing.)

Halls*    
Provision of buildings for public meetings and functions, for indoor sports or physical recreation, or for the use of clubs or societies having recreational, social or athletic objects.

Legal Proceedings
Power to prosecute and defend any legal proceedings in the interests of the inhabitants. Power to take part in any public local inquiry.

Lighting    
Provision and maintenance of any footway lighting which lights roads or pavements provided the columns are not above specified heights.

Litter*    
Provision of litter-bins in streets and support for anti-litter campaigns.

Open Spaces    
Provision and maintenance of public open spaces, pleasure grounds and public walks.

Parking Places    
Provision and management of car and cycle parks.

Parks    
Provision and maintenance of public parks and appropriate facilities.

Planning    
Local councils have a right to be notified of any planning application affecting their area and to make comments which the planning authority must take into account.

Playing Fields*    
Provision and maintenance of land for any kind of outdoor recreation, including boating pools.

Ponds*    
Power to deal with ponds, pools, or other places containing filth or matter prejudicial to health.

Public Lavatories    
Provision and maintenance of public lavatones.

Rights of Way    
Maintenance of public footpaths and bridleways.

Roadside Verges    
Power to plant and maintain roadside verges.

Seats*    
Provision and maintenance of public seats on the highway.

Shelters*    
Provision and maintenance of shelters for general public use and also particularly for bus passengers.

Signs    
Power to erect signs which warn of dangers or announce a place name, or indicate a bus stop.

Swimming*    
Provision of indoor or outdoor swimming pools or bathing places.

Tourism*    
Provision of facilities for conferences and encouragement of recreational and business tourism.

Traffic calming    
contribution towards the cost of traffic calming works provided by highway authorities.

Transport*    
establishment of car-sharing and taxi fare concession schemes; making grants for community bus services and bus services for the elderly or disabled; investigation of public transport, road and traffic provision and needs; provision of information about public transport services.

Village Green*
Powers to maintain the village or town green.

General Expenditure Power    
In any situation not covered by one of the specific powers described above a council may spend money on any purpose which in its opinion is of direct benefit to its area or to the inhabitants. The total expenditure by the council on all the cases under this general power was originally not allowed to exceed £6.15 per local government elector in the parish or town or community in any one financial year.

Where a power is marked with an asterisk the council may, in addition to exercising the power itself, help another body to act by giving financial assistance.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 07, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
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If the town council has no power why do we have one?

That is the $64,000 question.  I have been a Town Councillor, as has another Member of the Forum and quite frankly it is a waste of time.   The power all rests with the County Council and the Assembly in Cardiff.

They can only advise on Planning, CCBC take the decisions, CCBC to do all the Planting for Llandudno in Bloom, CCBC put up the Lighting  etc. etc.    Llandudno TC arrange Town Twinning - why?  'cos it's a beano for the boys, as is Civic Sunday and a few other happy days!

A few voluntary groups could do a better job without all the expense and the pompous attitude most Councillors have, just like a load of strutting peacocks full of their own self importance and b****r the populous!

The only Llandudno Ward on the Welsh Deprivation List is Tudno which has the longest serving Town Councillor with over 30 years "service".  Can one call it service with that record?  :rage:    

http://wales.gov.uk/docs/statistics/2011/110329wimdsummaryreviseden.pdf (http://wales.gov.uk/docs/statistics/2011/110329wimdsummaryreviseden.pdf)

I recently (7 March) asked for some information from the town council using the FOIA and I have still not received all of it despite the fact that the mandatory 20 days came and went ages ago.  Once I have the rest of the information I will publish it on here if allowed by D and I to do so.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on May 07, 2011, 02:36:09 PM
 :o Yorkie leave those poor councillors alone,you know how much they strive to make Llandudno a better[ghost] town. :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 07, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
Don't play all innocence with me Wrex,  you know them better than I do!   I think we sat next door but one to each other!    ZXZ

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 07, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
Good post Ian.  :)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 07, 2011, 05:33:19 PM
Who made the decision to twin Llandudno with Wormhout? The only connection here is that a few local soldiers were caught-up in a massacre by the SS during WWII. (No disrespect to the BRITISH troops)

I would have thought it would be logical to twin the town with Llandudno South Africa, keeping the tradition of townsfolk who emigrated and named their "new town".

Town Councillor's could take trips and parade around on Llandudno's nude beach.  8)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Hugo on May 07, 2011, 05:42:41 PM
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Town Councillor's could take trips and parade around on Llandudno's nude beach.  8)

Don't you think the North Shore's a bit too rocky for parading around and anyway  that cold westerly wind would certainly  make some of them feel more inadequate?      ;)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 07, 2011, 05:55:30 PM
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Don't you think the North Shore's a bit too rocky for parading around and anyway  that cold westerly wind would certainly  make some of them feel more inadequate?      ;)

 :laugh: The West Shore would be out of the question then, but it definitely has the sand for an "attraction" like that. 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 07, 2011, 06:59:21 PM
Nudists will be seen 900 metres from this point!

You can't miss them they will be sticking out like sore thumbs!     L0L



Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 07, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
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Good post Ian.  :)

In fact, FIRST CLASS,   I'll put my STAMP on it!    L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: white rabbit on May 07, 2011, 07:24:38 PM
I agree wholeheartedly - Born and bred in Wales but consider myself British
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 07, 2011, 09:15:21 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly - Born and bred in Wales but consider myself British

So you should.

The name Britain and derives from the P Celtic speaking peoples of the British Isles who later became the Welsh.

They called themselves Brythons or plural, Brythoniad and all of what is now England, Wales and Southern Scotland spoke this form of the Celtic tongue which later became the Welsh language.

When the Romans invaded the Isles they latinized the name and called it Britannia.

So.....Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...... $walesflag$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on May 07, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I'll join in to the history lecture with this offering...

In the years after the Romans deserted Britain, (Circa 450AD to 650AD)  those who lived in the area we now call England were under attack constantly from Saxons and other tribes.... so they moved West to avoid being killed.
Because they were running from the onslaught, they were knowns as Welchers, or Welsh....so they upped sticks and moved into the area we now called Wales.

So really, (after the Celts) the origins of Welsh people are really rooted in the native English blood.
The Saxons became eventually conquered by Norsemen, and then the Normans..
Those who THEN occupied England, started to subdue the relatively new Welsh peoples.

So as Ian says, where do you draw the line date-wise?

I have 'fled' to Wales from England for two reasons,
1, I adore the Llandudno area and always have.
2, I could not stand how my own birthplace had been 'invaded'... so I too had to flee to the West.






Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on May 07, 2011, 10:41:40 PM
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Who made the decision to twin Llandudno with Wormhout? The only connection here is that a few local soldiers were caught-up in a massacre by the SS during WWII. (No disrespect to the BRITISH troops)

I would have thought it would be logical to twin the town with Llandudno South Africa, keeping the tradition of townsfolk who emigrated and named their "new town".

Town Councillor's could take trips and parade around on Llandudno's nude beach.  8)

We are getting off topic, but Trojan mate, I think think the despicable actions by the Nazis at Wormhout was a little more dramatic than your words portray.
I think it was an obscene massacre of unarmed men, and a savage war crime.
Whatever it takes (or costs) to remember those murdered men is fine in my book.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 07, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Don't forget the aristocratic Normans! The Saxons were commoners in Norman eyes.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 07, 2011, 10:46:15 PM
The above map also shows the battle of Stamford Bridge.

Funny, I seem to remember it much further south.  ???
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on May 07, 2011, 11:05:47 PM
Chelsea Football ground named after the battlefield, obver 250 miles away outside York.   Nice little village with a superb pub.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 08, 2011, 12:57:31 AM
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Chelsea Football ground named after the battlefield

Ah yes, it's all becoming clearer now.  8) 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on May 08, 2011, 01:01:51 AM
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Who made the decision to twin Llandudno with Wormhout? The only connection here is that a few local soldiers were caught-up in a massacre by the SS during WWII. (No disrespect to the BRITISH troops)

I would have thought it would be logical to twin the town with Llandudno South Africa, keeping the tradition of townsfolk who emigrated and named their "new town".

Town Councillor's could take trips and parade around on Llandudno's nude beach.  8)

We are getting off topic, but Trojan mate, I think think the despicable actions by the Nazis at Wormhout was a little more dramatic than your words portray.

Oh yes, I know. I remember Merfyn Roberts (RIP) telling me all about it.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wjones74 on May 08, 2011, 11:24:26 AM
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Who made the decision to twin Llandudno with Wormhout? The only connection here is that a few local soldiers were caught-up in a massacre by the SS during WWII. (No disrespect to the BRITISH troops)

I would have thought it would be logical to twin the town with Llandudno South Africa, keeping the tradition of townsfolk who emigrated and named their "new town".

Town Councillor's could take trips and parade around on Llandudno's nude beach.  8)

We are getting off topic, but Trojan mate, I think think the despicable actions by the Nazis at Wormhout was a little more dramatic than your words portray.
I think it was an obscene massacre of unarmed men, and a savage war crime.
Whatever it takes (or costs) to remember those murdered men is fine in my book.

quite agree fester! , this is the guy responsible, wilhelm mohnke! naughty man! :(
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Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 08, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
Here is a video, not very good but tells the story.

The massacre at the barn was not in Wormhout but in Esquelbecq.

The Wormhoudt Massacre site & Cemetery, France (Extended) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKcvvJh1F8#)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: dwsi on May 08, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Sorry guys for being a pain in the rear end but this thread is about 'local eyesores' not 'local history'. Can everyone please get back on track?

 $thanx$ $good$

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 08, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
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Sorry guys for being a pain in the rear end but this thread is about 'local eyesores' not 'local history'. Can everyone please get back on track?
$thanx$ $good$

Dwsi - You had the ideal opportunity to bring us back on track by posting something about Local Eyesores.  But No!  You had to rebuke half a dozen other Members by posting a complaint, which according to my reckoning is also off the thread!

To bring us back on track - here is a LOCAL SIGHT  for SORE EYES!    L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 08, 2011, 06:55:54 PM
Took me ages to find this again!    $thanx$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2011, 10:39:25 AM
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Sorry guys for being a pain in the rear end but this thread is about 'local eyesores' not 'local history'.

'Fraid not.  This topic is about Local Politics, and thus far the discussion hasn't wandered far off topic at all.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 09, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
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Sorry guys for being a pain in the rear end but this thread is about 'local eyesores' not 'local history'.

'Fraid not.  This topic is about Local Politics, and thus far the discussion hasn't wandered far off topic at all.

Ah!  But that was before about the last 13 comments were moved from "Local Eyesores"!      ;)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2011, 11:02:38 AM
Now why didn't I notice that?    $thanx$





 :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Micox on May 17, 2011, 09:12:47 PM
As for me, I was exiled (again) in 1978, even then rooting for Plaid (for me, with a very firm socialist bent) and hoping for my leaving to facilitate home rule. I would still support Plaid if I could vote for them, especially since I'm now visited regularly by visions of Owain Glyndwr somewhere around about Oswestry - my ancestry (the Joneses - encompassing the Joneses Yr Ogo) being good sturdy mid Wales farm labouring stock. Owain tells me how Llandudno's brainwashed working class population always votes Tory being still gloriously embedded in Freemasonry, bigotry, feudalism, hypocracy and obescience to the Mostyns.

 $walesflag$ $walesflag$ $walesflag$ $walesflag$ $walesflag$ $walesflag$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 26, 2011, 01:51:38 PM
New Llandudno mayor wants to revitalise the town
May 26 2011 by Judith Phillips, North Wales Weekly News

THE regeneration of the town centre and redevelopment of the derelict pier pavilion site are priorities for LLANDUDNO’s new mayor.
Greg Robbins, who says he feels passionately about the town, will try to bring his influence to bear to bring about schemes which will help revitalise the town. He also wants more young people to get involved in community work.

“Additionally I will continue to work on the Living History project which will hopefully result in a more modern and coherent way for visitors and residents to explore the history of this great town and inspire the pride many of us feel,” he said.

His father’s family are from the resort, and he feels his roots are in Llandudno. He works as a contracts manager for a construction company.

He is married to Debbie with two daughters, Kira, 14, and Holly, 25, and has two grandchildren, Elysia and Jack.
Greg has chosen St David’s Hospice as one of his two charities for the year, the other being Llandudno RNLI.

The new deputy mayor is Myra Wigzell.

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/05/26/new-llandudno-mayor-wants-to-revitalise-the-town-55243-28763692/ (http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/05/26/new-llandudno-mayor-wants-to-revitalise-the-town-55243-28763692/)

Frankly, this is a load of rubbish. I confidently predict that the Mayor & Town Council will do NOTHING about 'regeneration of the town centre and redevelopment of the derelict pier pavilion site', it is all just hot air. Let us give them One Year and we shall see.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on May 26, 2011, 03:17:09 PM
Dave every Mayor;s speech i have ever heard has said exactly the same,except CLL P Evans,he is not so stupid as he knows being on the Cabinet we have no chance[,with all the money being spent in the Bay there will not even be any left for Llandudno railway station],but they have to pretend their heart is in it and not there just for the pomp and ceromony of being Mayor.One day someone will stand up for Llandudno against CCBC AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT A PATHETIC EFFORT THEY ARE MAKING TOWARDS TOURISM FOR THE TOWN. :'(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: dwsi on May 29, 2011, 10:48:09 PM
How Conwy Council's clipboard brigade are wasting taxpayers money

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/8543913/How-council-bureaucrats-brought-misery-to-a-Welsh-family-farm.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/8543913/How-council-bureaucrats-brought-misery-to-a-Welsh-family-farm.html)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 29, 2011, 11:00:56 PM
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How Conwy Council's clipboard brigade are wasting taxpayers money

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/8543913/How-council-bureaucrats-brought-misery-to-a-Welsh-family-farm.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/8543913/How-council-bureaucrats-brought-misery-to-a-Welsh-family-farm.html)
Very interesting. Yet more bad press for CCBC....  :roll:

"Mr Williams' solicitor said the case was "one of the worst abuses of the law I have seen by a council against a respected and award-winning farming family".

David Kirwan, a farming specialist with Wirral-based Kirwans solicitors, said: "There was never any justification for bringing this case and it is a scandal that it has been allowed to drag on as long as it has.

"The Williams family has lived in fear for almost three years of the potentially catastrophic impact these groundless allegations could have on their financial well-being and on their reputation as sheep farmers."

"Councils like Conwy seem hell-bent on criminalising the hard-working farming community.

"Invading people's privacy and marching round with their clipboards, these officious people forget how vital the farming community is to the economy of this country."

The case sparked anger in the farming community, with the Farmers' Union of Wales calling for the resignation of Phil Rafferty, head of Conwy council's regulatory services. "
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2011, 08:39:13 AM
Interesting. On the face of it, it seems that CCBC are being punitively pro-active in their inspections, but there might be another side to all this.

Recent serious cases of animal neglect might well be causing an increase in the numbers of complaints, such complaints being the most common avenue for council involvement. Those who don't farm, it can be argued, have little appreciation of the issues encountered by the farming community, particularly the hill farmers.  I've found a dead ram, several dead lambs, endemic foot infection issues and even a case of fly strike, which is going to increase this year, because of the warm April.

In one case, a dead lamb was reduced to a skeleton, simply because the farmer hadn't noticed it.  The reason he hadn't seen it and I had was because I was standing in a field which revealed a sharply sloping aspect and wooded area of his field, effectively hidden from his view.  If a farmer has - say, 500 acres, should he be expected to check every inch, especially at lambing time? Lambs are notorious for escaping, becoming trapped, wedged, caught up and generally creating all sorts of problems from themselves. 

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on June 14, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
A refreshing change from the new Mayor of Cromer, Norfolk:

A town mayor has caused a stir by refusing to wear his chains of office - saying: "I don't do bling." Greg Hayman took up office as Mayor of Cromer, on the north Norfolk coast, last month and instantly caused controversy by attending town council meetings without donning the ceremonial chains.

Hayman, who also refuses to sit on the mayoral podium, preferring to be on the same level as other councillors, said: "I don't wear jewellery or even a watch. I just don't do bling.
......

"I respect the office of mayor and the role it can play in the community, but I'm not interested in the baubles. I'm not into all the trappings of office and am here to make a difference, not to revel in the privileges which come with it.

"I think a lot of people are jaded about politics and think politicians are only interested in prestige. If I can help change that with this small gesture, then I will."


If only someone on Llandudno Town Council had this attitude; seems to me the 'baubles' are all they are interested in!


Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on June 15, 2011, 12:13:18 PM
I just wish they wouldn't wear those stupid embarrassing hats and red coats and how much did they cost?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on June 15, 2011, 01:51:24 PM
The hat costs over £300.00 alone but if all the Regalia is taken into account including robes, chain, mace etc.  you could well be talking of around £50,000.     :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 08, 2011, 10:30:02 AM
CONWY County Council’s vacant chief executive position will be advertised internally.

Following the resignation of Byron Davies, the authority had been considering sharing the position with neighbouring Denbighshire County Council.

Councillor Tony Thomas said: “There is a sense of loyalty to our service management team. We need to have someone from within this authority, a sovereign hand. The talent is here, it has been proved.

Cllr Mike Priestly added: “A chief executive is no good to me in Denbighshire or in the middle of the A55.

After a near-unanimous decision in a full council meeting yesterday, it was determined that there was enough quality in the Conwy to fill the post.

Though it was minded that if the search should prove fruitless, the £110,00 per year vacancy will then be opened up externally.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/07/08/conwy-says-no-to-chief-executive-share-55578-29015587/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/07/08/conwy-says-no-to-chief-executive-share-55578-29015587/)

Don't some Councillors talk rubbish? :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 08, 2011, 10:43:02 AM
'the £110,00 per year vacancy'

At least they will not be overpaid at £11,000 (is the comma in th wrong place or a zero missing?  :twoface:  :laugh:)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 08, 2011, 10:45:05 AM
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Don't some Councillors talk rubbish? :laugh:

they probably recycle the rubbish :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 08, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
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'the £110,00 per year vacancy'

At least they will not be overpaid at £11,000 (is the comma in th wrong place or a zero missing?  :twoface:  :laugh:)
The Prime Minister gets £142,500. Surely, by comparison,  a small County's CEO should be on no more than £60,000? I understand that the ill fated Byron also got a luxury flat at Deganwy Marina and a very nice car, all courtesy of the taxpayers.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 08, 2011, 12:46:56 PM
The last recruitment process cost nearly £60,000...and they ended up with Byron:

Item Cost £

Recruitment advertisements. 29866
Consultancy 25803
Room/Equipment Hire 1882
Catering 1674
Candidate expenses 498

Total £59723

 ???
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 08, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
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The last recruitment process cost nearly £60,000...and they ended up with Byron:

Item Cost £

Recruitment advertisements. 29866
Consultancy 25803
Room/Equipment Hire 1882
Catering 1674
Candidate expenses 498

Total £59723

 ???

Unbelievable  :o  This is exactly the expenditure that need stopping, right now :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 08, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
It cost my last employer over £33,000 in costs alone to recruit me, (and I wasn't worth it either)

I didn't spend £1674 on sandwiches though!

I saw the figures some months after I joined, and I was mortified to see that the recruitment agent who 'head-hunted' me, took £25k in my first year, and £20k a year for the next two.

I never made it to my third year. :laugh:

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 13, 2011, 09:06:04 AM
I saw the Mayor of Llandudno on Saturday. He was standing outside the Kings Arms pub dressed in tshirt and jeans, swigging from a bottle of beer.

Surely the role of Mayor demands a little more dignity in terms of personal presentation when out and about in town? At very least, trousers and a shirt, with perhaps a jacket?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 13, 2011, 09:24:44 AM
Perhaps he's trying to eschew the frappings of office and become one of the people?

 :D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 15, 2011, 12:24:16 AM
I was extremely pleased to read Mayor Robbins' list of priorities when he took office in Llandudno.

He stated quite clearly that his main priority (among others) is to sort out the Pier Pavilion Eyesore, and get it on the path to be re-developed.

Well, I would not have made such a bold statement, but he did!
I would have simply said; that I will do all in my power to raise it with the relevant parties, keep the matter high profile, and examine the position as to what can be done.

So, now having said it, I now have to regularly ask Mr Robbins (face to face, via the Forum, and by any means available)...  what progress is he making toward it?
When you aspire to high-office and make claims such as this, you are under scrutiny and must deliver.
A year is not a long time and the Clock is Ticking!

Come on Greg, no one expects you to achieve this all on your own, but keep us informed... what IS being done?


Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 15, 2011, 09:29:49 AM
Mayor Robbins sadly has no more ability than you or I to tackle the Pier Pavilion problem. The Town Council has no power or money, and you won't get anything done without a bit of both!  8)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 15, 2011, 10:46:20 AM
You are quite right !   And as the Llandudno Town Council has NO MONEY, NO POWERS and a total inability to do anything - why on Earth do we keep them?   I am sure that they could be disposed of with a Citizen's Charter!    ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 15, 2011, 11:43:22 PM
I fear that what Yorkie and Dave have said may well be true... but still, he SAID IT.

So, I shall continue to ask for a progress update,  because I am genuinely keen to see improvement.

It would be good to see an official response on here...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 16, 2011, 07:41:01 AM
I thought it was going to happen this morning as when I looked out of the window at about 6.30 I saw a squadron of porkies flying over Penrhryn Bay - but alas it was just a dream!

The Town Council are as devious as a wagon load of monkeys, you will never get an answer.  This happens even with those Councillors who profess to be your friends, an experience I have had over the past few years.   They're great when they want help or information or your vote but do sweet eff all for you in return!

And if the Councillors are reading this, you know who you are. 

Every dog has its day and mine is now not too far off!    $angry$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 16, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Bring back Llandudno Urban District Council, it all seemed so much better back then!  ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 16, 2011, 01:48:32 PM
Merddin's point is a very relevant one - it was the loss of local control when LUDC was scrapped that started the downfall, a process that has continued with each subsequent local govt reorganisation. As a result, we now have a Town Council with good intentions but no money or power to do anything major, whilst CCBC covers too vast an area to allow proper attention to detail.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 16, 2011, 03:59:05 PM
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Bring back Llandudno Urban District Council, it all seemed so much better back then!  ;D

The Urban District Councils were responsible for all the things that the Councty Council have taken over such as refuse, lighting, road repairs, planning etc. etc.   These services were taken over piece by piece by the Borough Councils and ultimately the Councty Councils.

This is why the need for a Town or Community Council is now defunct.  They have been left with no money and no power (as has been said) and play at "government" with the piddling little social committees they have, non of which are of any great benefit to the locals or in any way enhance the lives of the community. 

Sack the lot!    $angry$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 16, 2011, 08:15:10 PM
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I thought it was going to happen this morning as when I looked out of the window at about 6.30 I saw a squadron of porkies flying over Penrhryn Bay - but alas it was just a dream!

The Town Council are as devious as a wagon load of monkeys, you will never get an answer.  This happens even with those Councillors who profess to be your friends, an experience I have had over the past few years.   They're great when they want help or information or your vote but do sweet eff all for you in return!

And if the Councillors are reading this, you know who you are. 

Every dog has its day and mine is now not too far off!    $angry$


Yorkie,  this is a favourite phrase of Greg Robbin's
''Every Dog has its day... today its the day I get put down!''

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 16, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
'Fraid I don't know Greg Robbins.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on July 18, 2011, 12:42:35 PM
Saw Janet Ffitch Saunders on tv defending Andrew RT Davies. Why does he have to be RT why not just Andrew Davies?  She didn't impress. I hate people who toe the party line and can't think for themselves.  Can't see her doing much for this town.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 18, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
She's a bit like Molly Malone - following in the steps of her Father and Mother!

Cockles and mussels a-live a-live O!    L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Micox on July 18, 2011, 05:59:05 PM
 ZXZ  Ahh, the days of wine and roses. To my mind, you're right when you say Llandudno Urban District Council's demise is a serious loss. We can now see it all from a distant timeline - how much better managed everything was pre 1974 when Caernarfon County existed. How much everything became ineffective and inefficient with the grossly extended management channels of Gwynedd County Council (and Clwyd County Council) - the loss of local knowledge and influence.

Whereas Mr Robbins might have local knowledge, he is competing with other local interests.  And the Tory mantra of competition having a positive effect is so destructive. In LLUDC he would have been listened to and his wisdom would have been engraved on the local souls, lending force to a thrust for action.

Look at the other organisations now fanned out to the four winds: Llandudno Gas; Llandudno Leckie; Llandudno GPO; Llandudno GPO telephones  etc. How well they worked - ten times better when they were small and local.

Rise up men and rebel.  >:( ^^^^ :>:> >?>?? $bounce$ $wales
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on July 18, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
The trouble is that they were all nationalised industries that were there to provide a service, now privatised they no longer provide the same service but work solely on the principle of making as much profit as possible whilst providing the least amount of service they can get away with. We are handicapped further being a relatively rural area so will never get the very best of services that the big cities get like super fast broadband etc...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2011, 07:06:52 PM
But it's curious: some companies know that excellent service actually increases their profit.  Waitrose and John Lewis, to name but two, and Amazon makes a fortune simply because it is so good with its customer service.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on July 18, 2011, 07:16:22 PM
I think Customer Service is on of the biggest problems we face today with energy & retail companies since the advent of these call centres (usually based in India) where you have to go through an exhaustive amount of menus before you actually get to speak to a real person. You get so wound up that by the time you get to speak to someone (who invariably can't solve your problem) it's all you can do not to get into a slanging match. They're usually badly trained, working from a script in a ring-binder, paid peanuts and are so heavilly accented you can barely make out what they are saying.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2011, 07:20:41 PM
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The trouble is that they were all nationalised industries that were there to provide a service, now privatised they no longer provide the same service but work solely on the principle of making as much profit as possible
Ah yes, I remember the good old days of Post Office Telephones in the 1970s. Phone boxes that never worked and a wait to have a telephone line installed of sometimes a YEAR or more. I'll stick with BT thanks.

Then there was British Rail. The service that Arriva Trains Wales provides is far better in my view, with clean, modern trains instead of the clapped out old wrecks that used to get dumped for North Wales lines use.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on July 18, 2011, 07:27:49 PM
You were complaining about the train service from Llandudno a few weeks ago!  ???
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2011, 07:38:49 PM
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You were complaining about the train service from Llandudno a few weeks ago!  ???
I..was..not!  ;D Are you sure that was me?  :roll: Might have been talking about the Station itself? Being fair, many North Wales stations have received substantial makeovers in recent years, something that would never have happened in 1970s BR days. Still a lot to do, mind.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Trojan on July 19, 2011, 04:35:33 AM
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You were complaining about the train service from Llandudno a few weeks ago!  ???
I..was..not!  ;D Are you sure that was me?  :roll: Might have been talking about the Station itself? Being fair, many North Wales stations have received substantial makeovers in recent years, something that would never have happened in 1970s BR days. Still a lot to do, mind.

 :)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 21, 2011, 10:59:23 AM
Cost of the 'Byron Davies Affair', not including his payoff:

£3,362 (gross) - Salary 26 March (day suspended) - 5 April 2010
£114,435 - Salary 6 April 2010 - 5 April 2011
£23,841 (gross) - Salary 6 April 2011-17 June 2011 (day resigned)
£71,889 - External legal advisers
£1,596 - Byron Davies's expenses while suspended
£63,000 - Costs of Designated Independent Persons
£71,000 - Interim management arrangements
Final settlement payment not released
TOTAL: £349,123
Source: Freedom of Information request
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 21, 2011, 11:10:40 PM
A complete and utter mismanged (and expensive) FARCE!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 22, 2011, 08:36:43 AM
...and here is an article on the BBC, confirming Dave's figures.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14227855 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14227855)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 22, 2011, 08:47:41 AM
HEADS NEED TO ROLL!     $angry$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 22, 2011, 09:13:42 AM
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...and here is an article on the BBC, confirming Dave's figures.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14227855 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14227855)
Just to point out the figures were originally from the NWWN, not me.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 27, 2011, 02:15:17 PM
In today's Pioneer a letter from Councillor Felicity Elphik in which she says:

" . . . . . to have a short service at the Senataph followed by a sung Eucharist . . . . . ."

Is it impossible for her to even spell Cenotaph?    No wonder we are in the state we are!     WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 02, 2011, 12:41:49 AM
In the run up to the recent Elections, we heard a lot from Jason Weyman.

But since his brave but futile campaign, he has entirely disappeared.
Anyone know whether he still exists??

Actually that applies to those who DID get elected too..

They go strangely quiet AFTER elections don't they?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 02, 2011, 08:14:22 AM
Jason still posts regularly on his blog:
http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/ (http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/)
I believe he's recently started a new job, so may well be busy with that.

No points, however, for Mike Priestley or Janet Finch Saunders, who have not posted on their blogs since the 7th May and 27th May respectively.  :-X
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 02, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
Regarding Priestley and JFS,  that is certainly no surprise to me...  Politicians are politicians after all.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: JasonW on August 07, 2011, 09:44:49 PM
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In the run up to the recent Elections, we heard a lot from Jason Weyman.

But since his brave but futile campaign, he has entirely disappeared.
Anyone know whether he still exists??

Actually that applies to those who DID get elected too..

They go strangely quiet AFTER elections don't they?

I'm still here, and visit the Forum a couple of times a week or when I can.
As Dave said I have started a new job, after work and doing Council work in the evenings it doesn't leave as much time to blog or contribute to the forum.
I'm still here but just not very vocal at the moment.

Jason
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 08, 2011, 12:01:52 AM
Fair enough Jason, nice to know you are still around... good luck in your new job.

Now.... what about the elected politicians???  Radio silence still being maintained?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 19, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
Cost of Civic Sunday (via an FOI Request)

"Here are the costs for Civic Sunday 2011 on Whatdotheyknow site.
1 JTM Signs (Traffic Management requirement): £174 ex vat
2 The Imperial Hotel: £2,467.12 ex vat
3 Toastmaster: £150
4 Harpist: £180
5 Vehicles: £250
6 Police: £0
7 Flowers: £112
8 Administration (postage, printing, stationary etc).
Estimate of £150.

Total: £ 3,483.12

The Hotel costs were, including vat, function £2118.10, drinks £838.45. Guest meals were £17.95 a head, and 118 guests attended.

Add the VAT to signs and hotel and its well over £4,000. "

 :o
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on August 19, 2011, 11:19:29 PM
no
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 20, 2011, 01:06:52 AM
£4000,  a small price to pay, seeing as our Lord Mayor has promised to ''sort out the Pier Pavilion''

The clock is ticking, and I am waiting for an update with regard to this overblown statement.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on September 25, 2011, 10:05:55 AM
Hit list for 2012 
Electric car parking signs[ money from Parc Llandudno]
Promenade flower beds
To see Venue Cymru Arena used more.
Town manager ?
West Shore tram shelter
These are a few things the council should make sure they put on their agenda ,talk about them and make CCBC FOLLOW THEM UP.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on October 10, 2011, 10:12:39 PM
In a shocking development today, Cllr Margaret Lyons has quit the Conservative Party after many years and is now an Independent.

http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/2011/10/cllr-margaret-lyon-independent.html (http://jasonweyman.blogspot.com/2011/10/cllr-margaret-lyon-independent.html)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on October 11, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
She has always done her own thing anyway so it is really "No Change!"     >>>
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on October 21, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
I agree with you Yorlie, we are long over due some new blood
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on October 21, 2011, 08:51:17 PM
Nice to see you again, BlongB !  :) :)

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on December 26, 2011, 07:50:47 AM
Now with me and Oscar going on about the xmas lights,would;nt it be nice if just one of the thirty councillors came out in support ,my personal feeling is they don;t give a hoot,it would need Cll T Davies or Cll Linda Groom to stand up and talk on the subject before they would listen or take any interest. Why can;t we have a Jason Weyman on the town council who would stand up and say it as it is. PS .Yorkie you are banned from this subjact. lol
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 26, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
It was amazing that all the Christmas lights between NatWest and the Carlton were not working in the runup to Christmas..and nothing was done to fix them.  VV
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on December 26, 2011, 10:02:38 AM
As i have said before,most councillors are on there for political gains for their parties and have NO interest in Llandudno as a holiday resort or a major shopping location they are turning up at meetings with no interest in the town whatsoever.JFS has only one interest and thats making sure the Conservatives are the biggest group and ok she does like C-Y-Don park but as for the town ,forget it.Plaid have only one aim and that is to get more welsh signs and useage,which is fine but not at the expense of the town.Labour are the same as JFS only interested in politics,if only they realised that shops and tourism meant jobs they might wake up and then we have our independants,Conservatives,liberals,reds, nationalists all hideing behind the word INDEPENDANT,so until we get councillors under the party Llandudno Welfare party we have no chance. ££$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Micox on December 28, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
 <:> <:> Too right Wrex. Party Politics and its Party Whips make a nonsense of parliamentary democracy. Local politics should certainly have a majority of independents with their concerns focussed on local issues and needs. Even in Parliament the few independent MPs there are from time to time punch way above their weight and make an enormous contribution. In the least the whips should be outlawed.  $pain$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on January 28, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
Just been reading about Cll O;grady on Oscar and apparently she has been misbehaving in a local pub,now i really don;t care what they get up to  ,what p;s me of is that she is responsible for looking after the town,its no wonder there is no xmas lights,poor flower beds, West shore looking like Beirut and thats unfair to Beirut
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on January 28, 2012, 02:49:25 PM
Who? Even on the town councillor non-entity scale, she seems to be operating below the radar.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on January 28, 2012, 09:11:57 PM
But very noticeable in The Townhouse apparently!  ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on January 28, 2012, 09:14:03 PM
Never go in there...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: John Oddy on January 29, 2012, 11:47:44 AM
I don’t know the Councillor in question and what she did, if true, was wrong of her but I would much prefer a Councillor who was “streetwise” and had her feet on the ground than some of the antiquated “old boys club” that we now have.
A lot of our County Councillors are career Councillor, they become Councillors for the money without having to work for it, a lot of them do not know the meaning of working for a living, if you look hard enough you can easily see who they are. These people do not live in the real world, they have no business sense and only say “yes” or “no” depending on what their peers tell them to do. To question the running of things is to draw attention to themselves so they sit back and say nothing and things go through on the nod.
The one thing that should be stopped is County Councillors sitting on Town Councils, they can influence votes that work in favour of the County rather than the Town and that is wrong.
Those that know me know I’m no saint, much like the Councillor in question, she, like me, may well be one of those that isn’t afraid to question the Establishment and put her head above the parapet, if she is....good luck to her, it’s a cold and lonely place out there!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on January 29, 2012, 01:36:26 PM
She's no John Oddy, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on February 09, 2012, 01:18:18 PM
Jason Weyman tweeted..."Another council officer told me today about vast increase in number of Cllrs "coming out of the woodwork" asking for things in their wards"

Hmmmm..election coming up, is there?  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 17, 2012, 07:49:16 AM
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$walesflag$ Long live Yorkie. ZXZ

Wrex you will be pleased to hear that I WILL be here for the Extravaganza - this year anyway!   The Elections are planned for 3rd May and as my name will be on the odd Ballot paper here and there, I better hang around just in case some naive members of the electorate decide that they would like to see me on the Council!
 $good$

Watch the publicity machine spring into action!    _))*   _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2012, 08:45:44 AM
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The Elections are planned for 3rd May and as my name will be on the odd Ballot paper here and there, I better hang around just in case some naive members of the electorate decide that they would like to see me on the Council! $good$ Watch the publicity machine spring into action!    _))*   _))*
Yes, it's impressive...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 17, 2012, 08:53:34 AM
 $donald$ $donald$ $donald$ $donald$ $donald$ $donald$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2012, 09:10:58 AM
Blimey, they seem to be popping up everywhere...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2012, 09:27:24 AM
Brilliant! I'm sure Yorkie will do well with marketing like that!  $good$  L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 17, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
I am overwhelmed by the obvious support already indicated for my Political intentions.   $thanx$

I have already had promises from well wishers to assist in the distribution of the vast amount of propoganda material which, it seems from his past valliant efforts, could be produced by a certain well known contributor to this Forum.  (But Blackpool is a bit far away which could create a problem!)   Are there maybe any suitably qualified persons who are more local?  ;)

What is wanted is a bold, attractive, punchy design with a short sharp message that will be understood and remembered, at least until Polling Day!    _))*

My mail box is awaiting an absolute plethora of PM's.     D)

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2012, 06:14:53 PM
Perhaps, for the benefit of the Forum readers, you could outline some of your policies, Yorkie?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2012, 06:24:48 PM
I've designed this badge for your supporters to wear:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2012, 06:32:31 PM
 :). Could you do a picture of a pin to put on the back?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2012, 06:35:47 PM
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:). Could you do a picture of a pin to put on the back?  :laugh:
Sure.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 17, 2012, 07:50:58 PM
 $thanx$.  $good$  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2012, 08:55:31 PM
If I was standing (which I hasten to say I'm not, as I abhor politicians) ..
I would have the following 3 point MANI-FEST-O

1, Pier Pavilion Site
2, Pier Pavilion Site
3, Pier Pavilion Site.

Not that I'm obsessed or anything.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: norman08 on March 17, 2012, 09:08:56 PM
sorry fester greg robbins is sorting that one out  _))* _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 18, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
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Perhaps, for the benefit of the Forum readers, you could outline some of your policies, Yorkie?

First I would not make any promises that I had no intention of keeping.
Second I would not follow the doctrine of any one Political Party.
Policies would be based on good old downright common sense needs of the Community.
Having been in business I believe that Councils should be answerable to their residents as Companies have to be to their shareholders.
In Industry efficiency and cost awareness are of prime importance, such should be the case in Local Government without sacrificing the quality of essential services to the community.
I would listen to the public but would not glibly agree to every request unless it was affordable and of benefit to everyone.

Plenty more where that came from!    >>>
Can't fire all the ammunition in one go!   ;)

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2012, 10:18:45 AM
Quote
1, Pier Pavilion Site
2, Pier Pavilion Site
3, Pier Pavilion Site.

Not that I'm obsessed or anything.

I understand that the council officer responsible for all things to do with the site and chasing it up generally is a Mr Bob Dix. 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 18, 2012, 10:19:28 AM
Very apt!    L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 18, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
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1, Pier Pavilion Site
2, Pier Pavilion Site
3, Pier Pavilion Site.

Not that I'm obsessed or anything.

I understand that the council officer responsible for all things to do with the site and chasing it up generally is a Mr Bob Dix.

Indeed Ian,
I contacted Rob and others in his dept for than 3 years ago when I made serious (but possibly naive) enquiries into developing the site and the LDP in terms of the site.
I have replies from Mr Dix and have kept them in my email archives.
They are a shining example of how public servants do nothing but pass the buck and accept no responsibility for items firmly within their remit.
He certainly did not cover himself in glory.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on March 19, 2012, 09:29:10 AM
I understand that is the generally accepted view. Perhaps we need a campaign of letter writing...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 19, 2012, 05:38:32 PM
Someone must have heard about my postings or there is an election due - How do I know?
 D)
Because today I received through my grand letterbox not just one, but TWO pieces of literature from the Conservative Party extolling the virtues of what they have achieved so far - what they will go on to achieve - and what wonderful people we have from their Party, looking after our interests in Parliament, the Welsh Asssembly, Conwy and Llandudno!!   

Could this be classed as "Election" material and should it be "registered" as an election expense?   On the other hand could it be published as the next Best Seller in the Pulp Fiction category?   L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
I advocate that all election printed material be put to good use..... on the roller in our bathrooms!   $smack$

I think you get the idea.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on March 19, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
No
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2012, 08:04:37 PM
In that case....... it could save you a lot money this season, by putting it into your guests bathrooms... instead of Andrex.

Any clearer?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on March 19, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
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In that case....... it could save you a lot money this season, by putting it into your guests bathrooms... instead of Andrex.

Any clearer?
Sorry Fester I was trying to vote in the poll at the top of the page your previous post made complete sense
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 19, 2012, 09:40:15 PM
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First I would not make any promises that I had no intention of keeping.
Second I would not follow the doctrine of any one Political Party.
Policies would be based on good old downright common sense needs of the Community.
Having been in business I believe that Councils should be answerable to their residents as Companies have to be to their shareholders.
In Industry efficiency and cost awareness are of prime importance, such should be the case in Local Government without sacrificing the quality of essential services to the community.
I would listen to the public but would not glibly agree to every request unless it was affordable and of benefit to everyone.

Plenty more where that came from!    >>>
Can't fire all the ammunition in one go!   ;)
So would you be wanting to join the Independent Group then? I suspect you would need to be aligned in some way or you would have absolutely no influence in meetings.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on March 20, 2012, 07:57:24 AM
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So would you be wanting to join the Independent Group then?

That's a fascinating and apparently contradictory concept. A ''group' of independents is almost oxymoronic;  a bit like Army Intelligence…
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 20, 2012, 08:20:56 AM
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First I would not make any promises that I had no intention of keeping.
Second I would not follow the doctrine of any one Political Party.
Policies would be based on good old downright common sense needs of the Community.
Having been in business I believe that Councils should be answerable to their residents as Companies have to be to their shareholders.
In Industry efficiency and cost awareness are of prime importance, such should be the case in Local Government without sacrificing the quality of essential services to the community.
I would listen to the public but would not glibly agree to every request unless it was affordable and of benefit to everyone.

Plenty more where that came from!    >>>
Can't fire all the ammunition in one go!   ;)
So would you be wanting to join the Independent Group then? I suspect you would need to be aligned in some way or you would have absolutely no influence in meetings.

You would be surprised!!!!!

One does not have to be a member of the largest or any "Group", "Party" or what ever you want to call it to be effective.    Any "Group" can make stupid decisions, as we witness on a daily basis,  but often intelligent ideas put forward by just one, or even a few people, can be recognised by the "Groups" and adopted as a common sense answer to many a problem.   The "one" is also in a position where he or she can lobby other Members and get ideas, and ultimately, decisions changed!  A lot of it depends on the person and their background.  I am NOT a politician, never have been and never will be.   But I am, and have been, involved in many other aspects of life that give me an excellent background to serving the Community, efficiently, effectively and economically.

 >>>   >>>   >>>

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 20, 2012, 09:00:16 AM
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So would you be wanting to join the Independent Group then?

That's a fascinating and apparently contradictory concept. A ''group' of independents is almost oxymoronic;  a bit like Army Intelligence…
I suppose it works as long as they can agree on some key principles...and agree to differ on the rest!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 20, 2012, 09:55:42 AM
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So would you be wanting to join the Independent Group then?

That's a fascinating and apparently contradictory concept. A ''group' of independents is almost oxymoronic;  a bit like Army Intelligence…

Or Scottish Football?   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 20, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
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I suppose it works as long as they can agree on some key principles...and agree to differ on the rest!  :laugh:

If there are certain key principles that I am happy with, then I would certainly back them.  This also gives bargaining power when the "one" seeks backing for his or her ideas!   Neither one person or one group are capable of being right all the time but if mistakes are made then owning up is better than covering up - and then getting on with rectification of the error.   
 $walesflag$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 20, 2012, 10:27:55 PM
Yorkie.... who is 'THE ONE?' ?{}?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 20, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 21, 2012, 07:47:29 AM
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Yorkie.... who is 'THE ONE?' ?{}?

And I thought that you spoke English!

ONE [wuhn]  
adjective
1. being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake.
2. being a person, thing, or individual instance or member of a number, kind, group, or category indicated: one member of the party.
3. existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual.
4. of the same or having a single kind, nature, or condition: We belong to one team; We are of one resolve.
5. noting some indefinite day or time in the future: You will see him one day.
6. a certain (often used in naming a person otherwise unknown or undescribed): One John Smith was chosen.
7. being a particular, unique, or only individual, item, or unit: I'm looking for the one adviser I can trust.
8. noting some indefinite day or time in the past: We all had dinner together one evening last week.
9. of no consequence as to the character, outcome, etc.; the same: It's all one to me whether they go or not.

 ££$   :P
Title: Dogs
Post by: dingo20 on March 21, 2012, 01:04:09 PM
Has anyone else noticed the amount of time and effort that is being spent on dogs? The council seems to be targeting dog owners I understand the dog poo problem but to ban dogs from parts of the town seems a bit extreme or is it a distraction from other business? I saw in the weekly news that some bloke suggested banning dogs in the town what about Cats, goats and sheep? Or even Pillocks that make daft comments?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Nemesis on March 21, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
Yes I agree, but being "a responsible dog owner" as it is called and always cleaning up after my own dog I can see the point. Some 'phantom ' dog owner visits our street on a regular basis and allows their dog to leave deposits in front of our gates and even on a neighbour's front steps. We get enough mess with the goats, but they aren't accompanied by a person.
Whoever you are--- shame on you.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 21, 2012, 01:35:45 PM
There's few things worse than dog mess somewhere like Mostyn Street where it gets spread around the pavement by hundreds of feet. Not nice at all and no need for it. Would dog owners really be that inconvenienced by not being able to walk their dog along Mostyn Street (for example)?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 21, 2012, 04:25:58 PM
perhaps the responsible dog owners should report the irresponsible dog owners, I hope to see dog wardens out enforcing the law and issuing large fines for not cleaning up. Time also to bring back the dog licence and a points system like a driving licence.  I love going for walks but usually it's spoilt by having to watch what you tread in  $angry$ $angry$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian48 on March 21, 2012, 04:54:48 PM
I don't think dog licences ever did much at all really. Nowadays in fact you see so many less strays around town than you used to years ago (circa 25 or more). Back then you used to see dogs roaming all over town alone. I agree enforcements should be severe. You choose to have a dog, you clean up after it!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Nemesis on March 21, 2012, 05:00:10 PM
Exactly
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 21, 2012, 08:37:43 PM
I've never been a dog lover, but I have met many recently (including Nemesis' dog.. ahhh), that I think are pretty cute.

But, nearly every day of the week I see piles of dog poo ... on THE PIER!   
This is due to the 'other crowd', what seems to be a growing minority of irresponsible dog owners.

It makes me really angry and nauseous, ... when the pier gets busy it becomes totally unavoidable for kids, adults, wheelchairs etc to avoid it and spread it everywhere.

I join Merddin in his assertion that VERY large fines are necessary for THOSE type of owners.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 21, 2012, 09:13:48 PM
I think a lot of the dog s****e we see around is from the dogs brought here by holidaymakers who seem to take their dogs everwhere with them these days.

Local Hotels could, and probably should, hand out leaflets and information on our dog laws to everyone bringing a dog with them.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Dave on March 21, 2012, 10:09:02 PM
Personally I think it should be an offence to exercise a dog in a public place without the means to clean up after it, i.e. carrying a suitable bag.
Spot fines for those who can't demonstrate a means of clearing up after their pets.

I find it amazing how many irresponsible owners there are still about and they do a great injustice to those who clean up after their pets by bringing all dog owners in to disrepute.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 21, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
I have often thought that local politics was a load of s&*t but, in this case, that would literally seem to be the case...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 21, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
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I have often thought that local politics was a load of s&*t but, in this case, that would literally seem to be the case...  :laugh:

 L0L L0L L0L   I'm right with you on that..    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 22, 2012, 07:34:38 AM
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I have often thought that local politics was a load of s&*t but, in this case, that would literally seem to be the case...  :laugh:

The Council will get to the "bottom" of it one day!    ;)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 22, 2012, 10:15:25 AM
Are you standing for the Town Council, Yorkie? I thought it was County you were standing for?

Town Council is pointless...no real power and no real money. Just a pensioners talking shop.  &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on March 22, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
 :o :o   Maybe Yorkie can change the things they talk about??

Such as making our esteemed Mayor accountable for his grandiose Pier Pavilion promises?   

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 22, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
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Are you standing for the Town Council, Yorkie? I thought it was County you were standing for?

Town Council is pointless...no real power and no real money. Just a pensioners talking shop.  &shake&

I typed a rather long reply to the above comment, which I have deleted,  as it just reflects the typical attitude of those who can only criticise but who are not prepared to do anything about it themselves.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 22, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
Could I possibly refer you to your own comment about Llandudno Town Council, dated April 6th 2011:

"What a load of Tossers they are"

..and your comment of May 7th 2011:

"I have been a Town Councillor, as has another Member of the Forum and quite frankly it is a waste of time. "

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 22, 2012, 06:31:54 PM
It was your generalisation to pensioners I did not like as I fall into that category and do not consider myself as ever having been a willing part of a useless talking shop.

However my past comment still rings true, but I would hope that myself with others, could improve the situation, and make a more effective and influential group, capable of giving the community the efficient service and positive represenation they deserve.

I am sure that the other Member, like myself, hopes that even though not "in power",  we can try to influence decisions and get things done by our posting on this and other Forums.   This is why such Forums are an important part of the social network, giving everyone the opportunity to express themselves about almost anything.  For that we thank you.    $thanx$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: John Oddy on March 23, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
I get Yorkie’s point; I too am “only” a Town Councillor (ex-Army Intelligence too) but I believe that as an individual you can make a difference to a Council if you talk sense and battle hard enough.
It’s never easy trying to please all the people all the time because it just cannot be done, there has to be a compromise....finding that compromise is more often than not the real problem. Those of you that know me know my early years on the Council were not easy, I never expected them to be and I still have my enemies but, over the years, more people have realised that I speak the truth and use, what a lot of County Councillors are lacking, common sense and I back everything up with facts and figures. Over the years I have found myself aligning with past adversaries, and vice-versa, over certain issues, the best way I found of dealing with things is not to think “what do I want!” but to think “what is best for the community involved”.....agreed, I have done a lot of banging my head on the wall but overall being a Councillor has proved to be an enlightening experience and one that others should try before taking pot-shots at those that show an interest!

On a different note....I know Dave Roberts personally and I’m not the only person to say this but we believe that you, Dave, would make an outstanding Councillor, why not give it a go?   
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on March 23, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
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....... an enlightening experience and one that others should try before taking pot-shots at those that show an interest!

On a different note....I know Dave Roberts personally and I’m not the only person to say this but we believe that you, Dave, would make an outstanding Councillor, why not give it a go?

Dave certainly would make a good Councillor - after he got over the shock of sitting in the Council Chamber and seeing exactly what goes on!   ££$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 05, 2012, 09:00:25 AM
Did you stand for Town Council in the end, Yorkie? Deadline was yesterday, I believe?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 05, 2012, 11:02:54 AM
Nominations have been announced. 6 Town Councillor vacancies in Penrhyn Bay, only 5 nominations, so everyone who applied got in and one spare vacancy! You should have applied, Yorkie!  ;)

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/496/Llandudno__Penrhyn.pdf (http://www.conwy.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/496/Llandudno__Penrhyn.pdf)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 05, 2012, 11:41:27 AM
I've been so busy on other matters I forgot all about getting my nomination papers and in fact only asked about them today!  Not too worried though - I'll hassle them from the sidelines.     _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on April 06, 2012, 09:30:51 AM
Having a gander at the town council nominations, it looks as if the Penrhyn and Craigydon wards will have no contested elections.  So not much interest from the public or even the parties in those parts.  Seems much more serious interest in Gogarth and Mostyn.  Less so in Tudno but at least there will be at least two new councillors in that one whatever happens.
Title: Bus service
Post by: dingo20 on April 06, 2012, 11:04:15 AM
Does anyone know whats happened to the 73 bus service that goes up the great orme?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on April 06, 2012, 11:49:48 AM
The 73 and 74 have both gone.  I think the Glan Conwy bus (25) now extends up the Orme - saw one the other day and the destination said "Great Orme Summit".
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 06, 2012, 02:43:14 PM
No.19 now serves the Orme. No.73 got scrapped because it was lightly used.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on April 07, 2012, 09:16:19 AM
Billy Evans and Marrubi get my vote on Tudno
Title: 73 bus
Post by: dingo20 on April 09, 2012, 09:33:05 AM
RIP 73 long live the 19 looks like you can a bus from the orme to betws y coed according to the 19 timetable bit of a long journey but I'm sure the people of betws y coed would enjoy the day out!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
Even better, the X6 bus runs every Sat at 8.05 from Tyn y Coed to Bala.  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2012, 12:15:09 PM
Who provides the X6 service, DaveR?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
Think its Padarn Bus.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on April 09, 2012, 12:36:17 PM
Had a look at the Conwy bus/train booklet.  The X6 seems to run all week leaving TynyCoed Road at 0805 then going via West Shore and Maesdu Road to the A470.  It gets to Corwen at 0945 where presumably there will be connections to Bala, Dolgellau, Llangollen and Wrexham. (on Thursday it seems to go through to Bala and on Saturday goes to Llangollen) The return time varies from day to day.  Scope here for some good days out - well worth a look on pages 60 and 61.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2012, 04:39:29 PM
Can someone please answer a couple of questions for me?

•   Can I use my free bus pass on all bus services and not just Arriva Buses?

•   Can I use my free bus pass throughout North Wales and not just in the County of Conwy?

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
Yes, and Yes.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on April 09, 2012, 05:00:44 PM
Bri - you can also use it on the Llandudno - Blaenau railway and intermediately.  Quite useful for say going up by train and back by the X1.  I think at certain times of the year it can be used on the Heart of Wales line as  well.

One interesting aside - if you go to Chester, the free bus no longer operates but you can use the Cerdyn Cymru to get one of the fairly frequent Mold or Wrexham buses from out side the station.  These drop off by Mark & Sparks.  Not sure if you can do the free trip from M&S to the Station - possibly the machine won't accept the cards from that stop to terminal stop in England.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 09, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
Thank you both.  $thanx$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 09, 2012, 05:58:13 PM
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Yes, and Yes.


I believe there is a restriction on the Trans-Cambrian Express, but only ever having used my Bus Pass once, I am not an expert on the matter.     ;)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 09, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
I just had a look and was amazed to see that the Free Bus Pass scheme costs £66m a year in Wales alone*.

People other than Free Pass holders using bus services have been hit by several fare rises recently, not to mention the complete scrapping of Return fares which has resulted in a return trip from Llandudno-Colwyn Bay costing over £5. Furthermore, the shortage of money in the WG Transport Budget has meant that several bus services have been withdrawn locally. Bearing all that in mind, would it not be reasonable to ask Bus Pass holders to pay a nominal 20p a trip charge, I'm sure this would bring down the overall cost of the scheme significantly?

*- http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/07/26/sharp-rise-in-cost-of-free-bus-passes-for-elderly-91466-26930087/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/07/26/sharp-rise-in-cost-of-free-bus-passes-for-elderly-91466-26930087/)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 09, 2012, 09:48:48 PM
I have to agree entirely.

I believe that things such as free bus travel and free prescriptions are (were) a fantastic and noble idea, when the country was awash with money.  (or so we were led to believe)
Quite a few of these items need to be reviewed now, in light of the financial reality which has come light.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 10, 2012, 08:09:56 AM
Perhaps getting the wealthiest to pay their fair share (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17661011) should be tacked first...
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 10, 2012, 09:02:56 AM
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Perhaps getting the wealthiest to pay their fair share (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17661011) should be tacked first...
Isn't that what he is doing by highlighting the issue? Although, it should be noted that nothing illegal is being done. It would be a fool that pays tax when there is no requirement to do so.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 10, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
Indeed, but the problem in the UK is that the law has always favoured the rich and penalised the poor.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 10, 2012, 11:55:04 AM
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Indeed, but the problem in the UK is that the law has always favoured the rich and penalised the poor.

Unfortunately, some of the "so called poor" and others considered "underprivilidged", can't be bothered to get up off their a*r*s*e*s and do a proper job.  They are just content to live off the backs of those who are prepared to do their fair share for society.  I haven't noticed them being penalised!

There are opportunities out the this big wide World if one is prepared to do something about it.   I am sure there are many of us on the Forum who were brought up during WWII and suffered the deprivation and hard times we had in the war years, and for a long time thereafter!   And amongst those are the ones who did work and became successful in their careers and businesses, without any reliance on the State during the hard times.  Life is much too easy now for the scroungers, and there is no justification in robbing those who have been successful, to support them.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SCMP on April 10, 2012, 03:41:22 PM
I work in Llandudno and mentally chuck cv's into one pile of 'lives to far away'...no car and lives in Colwyn Bay for instance. If their experience is good and the cv is good i will call them but i do have to explain to them about the buses and their wages to see if they still want an interview. I do not dismiss them just because of where they live i'd like to point out  :o
 
Is somebody had a minimum wage (£6.05ph) part time job of 16 hours a week, 4hr shifts so over 4 days (as many cafes and hotels offer) which works out £3 each way a day on the bus. 2 hours of 4 hours of pay would be spent on the bus?!

So even when people actually get off their bums to get a job they are still penalised!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 11, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
I firmly believe that those of us who work are being taxed out of existence.

Four distinct courses of action need to be followed, and I do not apologise for the over-simplification, as a start needs to be made.

1. Those who do not (or will not) work must be squeezed until it is not an option to not at least attempt to work.

2, Those who DID work, but are now retired must be asked for say 25p per bus fare, and £1.50 towards prescriptions.

3, Those who DO work, but find it hard to make ends meet must get the balance re-dressed by the government.  Here I am advocating a cut in VAT, a cut in fuel duty and easier access to affordable child care at the very least.

4, Those who come to the UK from overseas and contribute LESS than they take from the system must be hastily repatriated to whence they came.... and if they break the law, that should be an IMMEDIATE action.

The country seems badly out of balance now, and unless something drastic is done then social unrest and hardship will only increase.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2012, 08:08:08 AM
Quote
I firmly believe that those of us who work are being taxed out of existence.

I think that might be true for the lower and medium paid.  It's the extremely highly paid who seem to be paying the last.  I understand some top earners were boasting that they were paying less in tax than their cleaners.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 11, 2012, 08:41:01 AM
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I understand some top earners were boasting that they were paying less in tax than their cleaners.
How?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2012, 09:40:33 AM
I'll find out,  It was Osborne that claimed he'd heard those boasts.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: penpal on April 13, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
Re th bus pass etc.  I occasionally use the bus from pen to Conwy or Llandudno.  Its easier than faffing about getting to park BUT the cost of a single ( I usually get hubby to give me a lift back so single only) is £3.60 to Conwy , but if I go to Llandudno its still £3.60 - how does that work
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on April 16, 2012, 11:38:36 PM
Is no-one interested in the council elections - not even Yorkie or wrex ? Seems to be much stuff through letter boxes especially in Craigydon.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 16, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
....and it goes directly into the recycle bin.   As the short answer to your question is NO.

I do wish that valuable time and resources weren't wasted in this way.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 16, 2012, 11:52:01 PM
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Re th bus pass etc.  I occasionally use the bus from pen to Conwy or Llandudno.  Its easier than faffing about getting to park BUT the cost of a single ( I usually get hubby to give me a lift back so single only) is £3.60 to Conwy , but if I go to Llandudno its still £3.60 - how does that work
Its the maximum fare, maybe?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Nemesis on April 17, 2012, 08:52:54 AM
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Is no-one interested in the council elections - not even Yorkie or wrex ? Seems to be much stuff through letter boxes especially in Craigydon.

Not had a thing here !
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: snowcap on April 17, 2012, 05:20:39 PM
had vote for Margaret Lyon leaflet through the door this am, hand delivered by her good self,
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: TheMedz on April 17, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
She obviously only did one side of the road then! Only labour have attempted to deliver one here.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 17, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
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Is no-one interested in the council elections - not even Yorkie or wrex ? Seems to be much stuff through letter boxes especially in Craigydon.

I'm somewhat interested, but having forgotten to put in my nomination papers, and whereby I would have had  a "bye" and got in without the need for voting in my Ward, I am a bit miffed with myself to say the least!    L0L

At least I have some Councillors who listen to me, so I will continue as a Lobbyist instead.    WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: snowcap on April 17, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
Welsh conservative called this evening, makes you feel wanted
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Jack on April 17, 2012, 08:46:47 PM
I've had a leaflet from Colin Dale of Radio Sutch.  The manifesto includes at least 2 free rock festivals on the Great Orme with Lord Mostyn and the banks footing the bill; putting double yellow lines around all council offices in order to give them some misery they have given to motorists over the years and finally to bring back the cat and the kittens (am I missing something?)
It was a shame they didn't knock, it would have made for an entertaining conversation.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 17, 2012, 09:29:40 PM
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I've had a leaflet from Colin Dale of Radio Sutch.  The manifesto includes at least 2 free rock festivals on the Great Orme with Lord Mostyn and the banks footing the bill; putting double yellow lines around all council offices in order to give them some misery they have given to motorists over the years and finally to bring back the cat and the kittens (am I missing something?)
He would be viewed as the more sensible wing of the Town Council, I suspect....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 18, 2012, 01:50:18 PM
I just read (and then re-cycled) the pamphlet from the Conservative Town Councillor Gerry Sweeny.

Apart from it being 3 minutes of my life I will never get back, and being low level drivel... I am confused about one thing.

If the Town Council number of seats is under subscribed, then why is this costly canvassing necessary?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on April 18, 2012, 07:05:50 PM
Not every Ward is undersubscribed!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: llandudnotrust on April 25, 2012, 04:10:45 PM
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I just read (and then re-cycled) the pamphlet from the Conservative Town Councillor Gerry Sweeny.

Apart from it being 3 minutes of my life I will never get back, and being low level drivel... I am confused about one thing.

If the Town Council number of seats is under subscribed, then why is this costly canvassing necessary?
Thanks for the 3 minutes Fester. Gerry
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 25, 2012, 11:22:09 PM
Llandudno Trust / Gerry..... saying 'no offence' probably carries little weight, but its nothing personal, I'm just heartily sick of politicians of ALL persuasions and parties.

In my experience they have little or no power at local level, and never actually deliver on any of the promises they make.

Case in point... our Mayor has very little time left now to deliver on his ONE BIG priority.
That being, ''sorting out the pier pavilion site''   Its not going to happen is it.

At the top of the scale, it seems that even Mr Cameron is powerless to deport one middle aged muslim, and the UK has slipped back into recession.   (not that we ever slipped out of it if we are honest)

I say to all politicians...... GET A PROPER JOB
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on April 25, 2012, 11:44:29 PM
I like Billy Connolly's philosophy, the desire by anyone to be a politician should bar them for life from actually becoming one!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 26, 2012, 07:11:53 AM
Quote from: Fester

At the top of the scale, it seems that even Mr Cameron is powerless to deport one middle aged muslim, and the UK has slipped back into recession.   (not that we ever slipped out of it if we are honest)

I say to all politicians...... GET A PROPER JOB

To be fair, that is all down to this EU human rights cobblers, if it was down to me he would have just disappeared in the night!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on April 26, 2012, 12:00:35 PM
I have no idea who is standing as only one gentleman, an Independent has bothered to come to the house.  I will viote as I consider it a duty but for whom that's the thing?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 04, 2012, 10:50:26 AM
County Council election results can be seen here as they are announced:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=15&V=1&RPID=1827251 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=15&V=1&RPID=1827251)

Town Council election results are here:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=16&V=1&RPID=1836809 (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=16&V=1&RPID=1836809)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on May 04, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
Looking at various local council results, no doubt some posters will be hacked off with some of the successful candidates, but perhaps now the people have spoken we should let matters rest!
Title: Re: Local Politics and the Aerial Ladder Platform
Post by: Cambrian on May 05, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
Browsing around the council results further afield in North Wales, I noticed that Sharon Frobisher, chairman of the the North Wales Fire Authority and Denbighshire Cabinet Member, came bottom of the poll in a Prestatyn Ward.  What a shame her effort to retain an ALP in Rhyl at the expense of Llandudno does not seem to have been appreciated by her electorate! Presumably Chief Officer Smith will now be hoping for an equally compliant replacement.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on May 05, 2012, 08:37:24 PM
Cambrian it fine to think because the electrate have voted certain people back in that should be the end of it ,sorry not a chance,lets just take the town beach for instance,it a disgrace and none of the CCBC COUNCILLORS HAVE DONE A THING ABOUT IT AND NOW WE HAVE THE SAME SHOWER BACK IN SO WE HAVE NO CHANCE,conservatives would vote for a tramp if he stood for them,so its not the quality of councillors its their party.As for the independants they let Llandudno downas they are all only in it for the money,lets be honest why would anyone want to get involved in a neighbours town and vote on something concerning the town next door.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on May 09, 2012, 12:05:58 AM
So, in summary it was a monumental waste of time and money... once again?

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 09, 2012, 08:00:53 AM
It may not be perfect, but what are the alternatives?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 09, 2012, 09:11:59 AM
An elected Mayor.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 09, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
A dictator?

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Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 09, 2012, 09:57:05 AM
I've said it before, but it all seemed so much better in the days of the LUDC!  D)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: bigbadhenry on May 09, 2012, 10:16:59 AM
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So, in summary it was a monumental waste of time and money... once again?

YES  :-[
Title: New town councillors
Post by: wrex on May 26, 2012, 07:58:09 AM
We need to get our 11 new town councillors geared up to changing the town before they are dragged down by the dinosaurs left in the chamber.Our main objective should be to get them on Wrex;s xmas lights campaign before Cll Bertola tells them M&S should pay,we need to explain to them why their predissesors failed in moving the town forward, into the 20 century without destroying it and finally how to play the two Mafia councillors who always have the last say and give their evils to any councillor who dares defiey them
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Cambrian on May 26, 2012, 04:21:36 PM
Not all 11 are new, some names are familiar and were on before until defeated or resigned.  Perhaps we should abolish the town council and simply have wrex as an elected mayor.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: DaveR on May 26, 2012, 06:53:57 PM
What a good idea! I could be his Special Advisor.  $good$
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on May 26, 2012, 07:21:20 PM
We are also due a co-opted Member for Penrhyn Ward.   Applications were due to be in by yesterday and interviews are on 1st June.

 ZXZ
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: SDQ on May 26, 2012, 07:41:36 PM
Who would the application be made to & who would do the interviewing?
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: DaveR on May 26, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
Did you apply, Yorkie?
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on May 27, 2012, 07:38:34 AM
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Who would the application be made to & who would do the interviewing?

Application to The Council.  But now too late!   Interview by whole Council, who then vote for who they want.

Dave - no I did not apply in the end.  Sometimes one can be more effective from outside the Chamber - keep them on their toes.   I have always said that Community Councils are an inessential tier of Government and a waste of money.   Much of the "work" they do could be better managed by local groups of interested people. e.g. Town Twinning, Miss Alice, Xmas Parade, etc. etc.  The money the local Council receive could be put to better use for the Community rather than paying wages to the Staff, the other overheads and the trappings of Ceremonial such as Mayor-making and Civic Sunday.  In these days of austerity let's see what they do!    Z**
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: SDQ on May 27, 2012, 10:49:47 AM
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Who would the application be made to & who would do the interviewing?

Application to The Council.  But now too late!   Interview by whole Council, who then vote for who they want.
So the electorate get a candidate nobody voted for? That's not very democratic....
Oh wait, we already have a government like that!
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on May 27, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
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Who would the application be made to & who would do the interviewing?

Application to The Council.  But now too late!   Interview by whole Council, who then vote for who they want.

So the electorate get a candidate nobody voted for? That's not very democratic....
Oh wait, we already have a government like that!

You could have had an election for the one vacancy but, of course, it would cost a lot of pennies!  Co-option is a good alternative as in this case no one Party can get the advantage.  ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on June 02, 2012, 06:56:52 AM
The Town Council vacancy for Penrhryn Ward has now been filled by a Glynne Davies, who is a Penrhrynside Resident.

Let's see what he is made of once he gets amongst the old Brigade!     WWW
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: DaveR on June 29, 2012, 01:15:27 PM
Barmouth Council ordered to publish full details of its councillors online
by Eryl Crump, DPW WestJun 29 2012

A TOWN council has been ordered to make its councillors more contactable to the public.

Barmouth Town Council’s website has the name of each of its councillors but no other details.

The lack of detail led to a complaint being lodged with the Information Commissioner.

Complainant Carl Hayward, of Llanaber near Barmouth, had wanted to contact an individual councillor but in order to do so had to first phone the council clerk who got the individual to call.


After considering the complaint the Information Commissioners Office ordered the council to adopt a policy to make the council more accessible to residents.

The town council have decided to purchase a mobile phone for the clerk and put that number on the council’s website and information boards in the town.

Last night all the voluntary and unpaid councillors were adamant they would not put their individual contact numbers or their e-mail addresses into the public domain.

Former Mayor Rob Williams defended the council’s position, saying: “We wanted details of an official from the Environment Agency recently and the council was told we had to contact that officer through their main telephone number.

“We have a contact number, the clerk’s mobile phone number.

“The clerk will contact us and as a councillor we will call back and deal with issues.

“What’s wrong with that?”

Cllr David Clay, who represents all town and community councils on the Gwynedd Standards committee, said he had raised the issue with Gwynedd Council’s monitoring officer.

“The monitoring officer seemed surprised at the Information Commissioner’s stand regarding community and town councils and would like to see the Information Commissioner’s correspondence on the matter,” he said.

The council’s website claims: “The purpose of this website is to give the general public, and in particular, the community of Barmouth, an easy and open access to the business of the Town Council.”

It adds the date and agenda for meetings are provided “together with access to the minutes for recent past meetings” but this has not been updated since April.

An internet search revealed a variety of approaches by town and community councils in North west Wales.

Only a small number of councils maintain dedicated websites and of those who do have an online presence few reveal the full contact details of all its elected members and officials.

Caernarfon Town Council have a comprehensive and up to date list of its members and officials which includes phone numbers.

Llandudno Town Council has a full and up to date list of councillors which contains only a few contact details for its members. Beaumaris Town Council lists its elected members along with a photo of each councillor but no personal contact details.

Gwynedd Council’s website includes landline and mobile numbers for its councillors along with e-mail addresses.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/29/barmouth-council-ordered-to-publish-full-details-of-its-councillors-online-55578-31284440/#.T-1tHuQ-rQw.twitter (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/29/barmouth-council-ordered-to-publish-full-details-of-its-councillors-online-55578-31284440/#.T-1tHuQ-rQw.twitter)
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: DaveR on June 29, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
Speaking of which, I have still not had the courtesy of a reply or even an acknowledgement since I sent in my email to the Mayor via the Town Council website several weeks ago.  &shake&
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on June 29, 2012, 03:39:48 PM
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Speaking of which, I have still not had the courtesy of a reply or even an acknowledgement since I sent in my email to the Mayor via the Town Council website several weeks ago.  &shake&

Not surprised!   It is best to send mail direct to the Town Clerk.   She is the best link to council Members and is more efficient than the rest of the bunch put together.

If it is something VERY important send a letter via Recorded Delivery. ££$

FoI requests have to be answered within 20 working days.   If not report to Information Commissioner and get their knuckles rapped!    WWW
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: andrewstuart on June 29, 2012, 05:22:32 PM
Appears Llandudno council's website is now down for maintenance. The page does say account suspended, though.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on June 29, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
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Appears Llandudno council's website is now down for maintenance. The page does say account suspended, though.

They are in the middle of trying to sort out a problem which arose from a past Councillor or Employee placing an embargo on emails being sent to a certain domain name.    This has resulted in a number of people using that domain not receiving mail, it having been auto returned to the sender.  The other possible reason is to have the web site overhauled, updated and generally sorted out with some useful information, such as details of all the Councillors and Minutes of Meetings.

Whichever, lets hope it is not costing us a fortune and something will be left to buy a couple of candles to satisfy Wrex's demands for Xmas lights!    ZXZ
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: DaveR on June 29, 2012, 09:55:37 PM
They sound like a bunch of clueless amateurs to me...  &shake&
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: wrex on June 30, 2012, 02:16:19 PM
Help me with this one, i e-mailed a very prominent county councillor the other day and told him about the disgusting town beach and my reply was a phonr number and a name, is it me or should he not have got an answer for me instead of getting me to phone someone else,we pay their wages and that;s what i got.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on June 30, 2012, 03:46:45 PM
Wrexham, name and shame!  Let's start putting some names in theulic domain.   That may make them look to their laurels!

If you feel that you have not been properly dealt with by a Town or County Councillor, you can complain to the Local Government Ombudsman for Wales.   ££$
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 30, 2012, 04:29:31 PM
But if the county councillor under public scrutiny is not wrex’s councillor or that area of beach is not the responsibility of wrex’s county councillor then perhaps a name and phone number was more than wrex could have expected.

Twelve days ago, I raised an issue with a council department and copied in my two county councillors for C-y-D with my e-mail.

One councillor was proactive and dealt with it immediately but I am still to receive an acknowledgement from the other councillor.

I have since been informed he maybe in France on holiday but to me that is no excuse for not checking and responding to e-mails from his constituents.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on July 01, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
I have always understood that although a Councillor is Elected from a Ward he still has responsibility for the Town or County as a whole.  The Election of Ward Councillors is merely to get an even balance (ha ha) of people representative of the Community as a whole.   Each should therefore take a proactive role in anything to do with the Town or County, irrespective of Ward.   >>>

Many of the Councillors are unaware of their responsibilities, as the amount of instruction they receive on being appointed is abysmal.  Main item on their Agenda is how to claim their expenses!!!   :rage:

Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: wrex on July 01, 2012, 08:38:48 AM
I don;t know what a county councillor does for their 15,000 pound or 30 if in cabinet,but if i ask one of them why the Llandudno town beach is a filthy disgrace i would expect them to find out and explain to me,not phobe me off to some council employee.We all can see that there is no pride in the town beach or the gardens,obviously the dept does not have enought staff to look after Llandudno;s flower beds and lawns so they are left to become weedbeds,if you take a look at any of the beds they are full of weeds and the borders are never cut and who cares,nobody,not the town,not the county ,not the hospitality.As i have said before i will not be going back to Southport again as i thought it had really gone down,i should imagine thousands have done this with Rhyl and unless we start getting the basics right the same will happen here.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on July 01, 2012, 08:42:38 AM
Maybe one answer is to seek sponsorship for individual flower beds etc.  This is done with some traffic islands (roundabouts) with the likes of Lock Stock.   ;)
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: wrex on July 01, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
Who would you trust with the money,but yes Yorkie it seems the only way.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: DaveR on July 01, 2012, 05:07:58 PM
I suggested this to Cllr Mike Priestley about two years ago but nothing was done as usual.

All CCBC has to do is stick on their website a list (with photos) of flower beds/etc that require sponsorship, together with the amount required and details of the work that would be carried out. A business/individual can then pay to become the sponsor of that area and a small plaque will be installed with their name etc. The scheme could be extended so that CCBC have a wishlist of features for parks etc. i.e 'Plant 20 new trees - £100', that could be purchased in memory of a loved one etc.

Not difficult, is it? How can CCBC just make the excuse of no money being available when they refuse to run schemes like this?
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: wrex on July 01, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
It would make sense for the Imperial hotel to sponsor the lawn and flower bed opposite the hotel,off course they may not want to but its in their own interest.
Title: Re: New town councillors
Post by: Yorkie on July 01, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
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It would make sense for the Imperial hotel to sponsor the lawn and flower bed opposite the hotel,off course they may not want to but its in their own interest.

If every hotel on the front did this it would be one major problem solved. 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
List of Town Council Grants in 2012/13. Why does the Boxing Club receive so much compared to the other organisations and what does it spend it all on?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bellringer on July 20, 2012, 10:10:46 PM
If that's the figure for the "Sports" category, do you have the total figure donated for all clubs and associations etc.?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 21, 2012, 07:28:52 AM
One could suggest the awards may be somewhat influenced by the person making the request!

All the Grants are published in the Council Minutes which are available at the Library or by making a FoI request to the Town Clerk.

 $good$

Just as a matter of interest the Town 's Precept from CCBC includes a few pounds for each person in the Town that is specially for donations (Grants) to Local Organisations.  The Rugby Club is (or was) a major beneficiary, maybe due to lobbying by a certain Councillor.    ;)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bellringer on July 21, 2012, 09:09:35 AM
I have to say that Holy Trinity has benefited twice from this source of funds/grants.

In 2001 £1000 was received towards the restoration of the bells, and 2004/5 £2000 towards the restoration of the stained glass windows project.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 21, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
Pleased to hear that, Stan.  Some of the Awards are, to my mind, somewhat questionable and possibly undeserved.    ;)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 21, 2012, 11:04:38 PM
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One could suggest the awards may be somewhat influenced by the person making the request!

All the Grants are published in the Council Minutes which are available at the Library or by making a FoI request to the Town Clerk.

 $good$

Just as a matter of interest the Town 's Precept from CCBC includes a few pounds for each person in the Town that is specially for donations (Grants) to Local Organisations.  The Rugby Club is (or was) a major beneficiary, maybe due to lobbying by a certain Councillor.    ;)

Would you care to elaborate.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 22, 2012, 10:15:07 AM
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One could suggest the awards may be somewhat influenced by the person making the request!

All the Grants are published in the Council Minutes which are available at the Library or by making a FoI request to the Town Clerk.

 $good$

Just as a matter of interest the Town 's Precept from CCBC includes a few pounds for each person in the Town that is specially for donations (Grants) to Local Organisations.  The Rugby Club is (or was) a major beneficiary, maybe due to lobbying by a certain Councillor.    ;)

Would you care to elaborate.

The short answer is, "NO!"    WWW

The long answer is, "Everyone shouts for their own corner, some shout longer and louder than others!"    >>>

Please note the word "maybe".    D)


Also note you omitted the question mark (?).    _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 22, 2012, 02:19:06 PM
Is the Major satisfied now?    $walesflag$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 22, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
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One could suggest the awards may be somewhat influenced by the person making the request!

All the Grants are published in the Council Minutes which are available at the Library or by making a FoI request to the Town Clerk.

 $good$

Just as a matter of interest the Town 's Precept from CCBC includes a few pounds for each person in the Town that is specially for donations (Grants) to Local Organisations.  The Rugby Club is (or was) a major beneficiary, maybe due to lobbying by a certain Councillor.    ;)

Would you care to elaborate.

The short answer is, "NO!"    WWW

The long answer is, "Everyone shouts for their own corner, some shout longer and louder than others!"    >>>

Please note the word "maybe".    D)


Also note you omitted the question mark (?).    _))*


"maybe" noted, "implied" may be a better word.

No Question mark omitted, please feel free to check you original post.

If you are implying that the Rugby Club used a certain Councillor for monetary gain, you are VERY much mistaken.
I assume you are referring to one Councillor in particular, as we have only ever had on involved in the Club.

This Councillor would go out of his way to declare his involvement in the Rugby Club, when any monetary application/claim put forward by our club and insisted he was left out of all decisions in that regard.

What you are implying is probably libelous, be careful.

If this is a route you wish to go, may I suggest you have a look at money given to other, more round ball orientated, sports clubs.
Maybe they have had other Councillors get them more money, than all of the other local sports clubs put together.
Just maybe, of course.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 07:23:22 AM
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"maybe" noted, "implied" may be a better word.

No Question mark omitted, please feel free to check you original post.

If you are implying that the Rugby Club used a certain Councillor for monetary gain, you are VERY much mistaken.
I assume you are referring to one Councillor in particular, as we have only ever had on involved in the Club.

This Councillor would go out of his way to declare his involvement in the Rugby Club, when any monetary application/claim put forward by our club and insisted he was left out of all decisions in that regard.

What you are implying is probably libelous, be careful.

If this is a route you wish to go, may I suggest you have a look at money given to other, more round ball orientated, sports clubs.
Maybe they have had other Councillors get them more money, than all of the other local sports clubs put together.
Just maybe, of course.

Mornin' Major

If I had wished to be explicit and "imply" I would certainly have chosen different terminology.

The particular Councillor (to which you no doubt refer) as I have said, shouts longer and louder, and with the cooperation of the rest of the Council always has obtained a good deal for the Rugby Club.

None of my comments are in any way libellous, probably or otherwise, as they are the truth.  I suggest you check the Defamation Act.

I know of the person's passion for all sport either in or out of the water and whatever shape the ball.   However, the allocation of grants is seen by some as rather hit and miss with who gets what, and whether the amounts are deserved by each organisation, but then that is all a matter of opinion. 

 $walesflag$


Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 23, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
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"maybe" noted, "implied" may be a better word.

No Question mark omitted, please feel free to check you original post.

If you are implying that the Rugby Club used a certain Councillor for monetary gain, you are VERY much mistaken.
I assume you are referring to one Councillor in particular, as we have only ever had on involved in the Club.

This Councillor would go out of his way to declare his involvement in the Rugby Club, when any monetary application/claim put forward by our club and insisted he was left out of all decisions in that regard.

What you are implying is probably libelous, be careful.

If this is a route you wish to go, may I suggest you have a look at money given to other, more round ball orientated, sports clubs.
Maybe they have had other Councillors get them more money, than all of the other local sports clubs put together.
Just maybe, of course.

Mornin' Major

If I had wished to be explicit and "imply" I would certainly have chosen different terminology.

The particular Councillor (to which you no doubt refer) as I have said, shouts longer and louder, and with the cooperation of the rest of the Council always has obtained a good deal for the Rugby Club.

None of my comments are in any way libellous, probably or otherwise, as they are the truth.  I suggest you check the Defamation Act.

I know of the person's passion for all sport either in or out of the water and whatever shape the ball.   However, the allocation of grants is seen by some as rather hit and miss with who gets what, and whether the amounts are deserved by each organisation, but then that is all a matter of opinion. 

 $walesflag$

Why do you continue to imply that a particular Councillor has gotten the Rugby Club so many 'good deals', and have received more money than is fair?
Please detail all these vast amounts of monies that we have received, as you have such resources at hand, it shouldn't be an issue for you.
Please feel free to compare us to other sports clubs who also get money from local councils/Councillors. Clubs that pay players to play. Clubs that charge their own junior teams to train on pitches that were funded by Council money perhaps.

This attack on Llandudno Rugby Club, and a certain Councillor, is out of order.
Either come out with details to back up your claim, or retract them.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 11:46:16 AM
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Why do you continue to imply that a particular Councillor has gotten the Rugby Club so many 'good deals', and have received more money than is fair?
Please detail all these vast amounts of monies that we have received, as you have such resources at hand, it shouldn't be an issue for you.
Please feel free to compare us to other sports clubs who also get money from local councils/Councillors. Clubs that pay players to play. Clubs that charge their own junior teams to train on pitches that were funded by Council money perhaps.

This attack on Llandudno Rugby Club, and a certain Councillor, is out of order.
Either come out with details to back up your claim, or retract them.

1) Let me start at the end - I retract NOTHING!
2) I have never said that the Rugby Club have received "Special" treatment - all I have said is that someone shouts long and hard on their behalf.  This achieves results and more so that those organisations who just put in an application for a grant and have no opportunity of lobbying Councillors at close quarters.
3) The amounts of money granted to all groups and organisations are available from the Town Council's Minutes or by making a request to the Town Clerk.  I'm sure you can get them for the last 10 years if required.  I would also remind you that you chose to use the word "vast", whereas I have never suggested any particular value or degree.
4) I am unable to compare the Rugby Club to other Clubs as I do not have all the necessary information, but as you appear to be an expert on the matter, maybe you could publish your findings on the Forum.
5) Are we talking about the same Councillor?  Name yours and lets see shall we?  The one I am referring to is a good friend and I don't think would find any problems with what I have written.
6) I have not attacked Llandudno Rugby Club or its Members or any Councillor.

Now majormellons put up or shut up.  Stop trying to be argumentative by twisting and spinning my words.  END OF.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
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".......sadly I was not able to glean any more info as my hearing is not as good as it was.


I think your reading skills are also suffering!     L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 23, 2012, 01:31:45 PM
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Why do you continue to imply that a particular Councillor has gotten the Rugby Club so many 'good deals', and have received more money than is fair?
Please detail all these vast amounts of monies that we have received, as you have such resources at hand, it shouldn't be an issue for you.
Please feel free to compare us to other sports clubs who also get money from local councils/Councillors. Clubs that pay players to play. Clubs that charge their own junior teams to train on pitches that were funded by Council money perhaps.

This attack on Llandudno Rugby Club, and a certain Councillor, is out of order.
Either come out with details to back up your claim, or retract them.

1) Let me start at the end - I retract NOTHING!
2) I have never said that the Rugby Club have received "Special" treatment - all I have said is that someone shouts long and hard on their behalf.  This achieves results and more so that those organisations who just put in an application for a grant and have no opportunity of lobbying Councillors at close quarters.
3) The amounts of money granted to all groups and organisations are available from the Town Council's Minutes or by making a request to the Town Clerk.  I'm sure you can get them for the last 10 years if required.  I would also remind you that you chose to use the word "vast", whereas I have never suggested any particular value or degree.
4) I am unable to compare the Rugby Club to other Clubs as I do not have all the necessary information, but as you appear to be an expert on the matter, maybe you could publish your findings on the Forum.
5) Are we talking about the same Councillor?  Name yours and lets see shall we?  The one I am referring to is a good friend and I don't think would find any problems with what I have written.
6) I have not attacked Llandudno Rugby Club or its Members or any Councillor.

Now majormellons put up or shut up.  Stop trying to be argumentative by twisting and spinning my words.  END OF.

If you backtrack any further, you'll be in the greenhouse.

So you are happy to imply that a 'friend' used his position to glean more money for the Rugby Club.
With friends like you, certain Councillors don't need enemies.

And I will not be told by anybody to 'shut up', when I have the right to defend us, from your continued and undeserved attack.
Let's not forget who implemented this discussion and who is now trying to defend himself.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 01:47:56 PM
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If you backtrack any further, you'll be in the greenhouse.

So you are happy to imply that a 'friend' used his position to glean more money for the Rugby Club.
With friends like you, certain Councillors don't need enemies.

And I will not be told by anybody to 'shut up', when I have the right to defend us, from your continued and undeserved attack.
Let's not forget who implemented this discussion and who is now trying to defend himself.

No I did not say "a friend" - I said the person was a friend, in other words not an enemy or someone I disliked!  It appears the person is more a friend of the Rugby Club.

Me attack the Rugby Club? - Don't be so bl**dy stupid.  I am not attacking anyone.  All I am trying to do is help to explain the Grant system to those who are prepared to listen, which obviously you are not!  And which as an ex Councillor I am perfectly qualified to do.

Just to put the record straight the discussion was started by DaveR,  July 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM.

I notice that you have totally failed to put any points forward yourself and have chosen just to try and pick fault with all that I have said.   In this respect you have failed miserably and will no doubt continue to do so.

Why is it that every time you post on this Forum you just choose to offer criticism and actually make no valuable contribution whatsoever?  Perhaps it's time to move over to Saga.   ££$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 23, 2012, 02:21:51 PM
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If you backtrack any further, you'll be in the greenhouse.

So you are happy to imply that a 'friend' used his position to glean more money for the Rugby Club.
With friends like you, certain Councillors don't need enemies.

And I will not be told by anybody to 'shut up', when I have the right to defend us, from your continued and undeserved attack.
Let's not forget who implemented this discussion and who is now trying to defend himself.

No I did not say "a friend" - I said the person was a friend, in other words not an enemy or someone I disliked!  It appears the person is more a friend of the Rugby Club.

Me attack the Rugby Club? - Don't be so bl**dy stupid.  I am not attacking anyone.  All I am trying to do is help to explain the Grant system to those who are prepared to listen, which obviously you are not!  And which as an ex Councillor I am perfectly qualified to do.

Just to put the record straight the discussion was started by DaveR,  July 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM.

I notice that you have totally failed to put any points forward yourself and have chosen just to try and pick fault with all that I have said.   In this respect you have failed miserably and will no doubt continue to do so.

Why is it that every time you post on this Forum you just choose to offer criticism and actually make no valuable contribution whatsoever?  Perhaps it's time to move over to Saga.   ££$

Here we go again.

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No I did not say "a friend" - I said the person was a friend, in other words not an enemy or someone I disliked!  It appears the person is more a friend of the Rugby Club.

You called him a 'good friend'. So I would assume by that, you meant he was a good friend?
This person has little , if any links to the club now.

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Me attack the Rugby Club? - Don't be so bl**dy stupid.  I am not attacking anyone.  All I am trying to do is help to explain the Grant system to those who are prepared to listen, which obviously you are not!  And which as an ex Councillor I am perfectly qualified to do.

By claiming "The Rugby Club is (or was) a major beneficiary, maybe due to lobbying by a certain Councillor" is an attack on the integrity of the Councillor, an attack on the Rugby club implying that we exploited the system, and the Councillor, in order to get more money.
This is an explanation of the Grants system?

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Just to put the record straight the discussion was started by DaveR,  July 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM

DaveR makes no mention of the Rugby Club, that was you.

Quote
I notice that you have totally failed to put any points forward yourself and have chosen just to try and pick fault with all that I have said.   In this respect you have failed miserably and will no doubt continue to do so.

I'm not here to put points forward, I'm here to find out why you seem to have a grudge against the Rugby Club?

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Why is it that every time you post on this Forum you just choose to offer criticism and actually make no valuable contribution whatsoever?  Perhaps it's time to move over to Saga.   ££$

The words head and brick wall spring to mind.
I defending the Rugby Club and certain individuals against your attack. The lack of "valuable contribution" started about 12 post ago.
I'm about 30 years off being able to utilise SAGA, but thank you for the advice.

Just appologise for suggesting what you did, and I'm sure we can move on, all a little bit wiser.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
I am amazed by your verbosity but have decided in the interests of the Forum Members as a whole not to continue with this rather pointless diatribe.   Each will form their own opinion should they have even bothered to read the exchange of postings.     >>>

Good luck to the Rugby Club, with or without, "the person".
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 23, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
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I am amazed by your verbosity but have decided in the interests of the Forum Members as a whole not to continue with this rather pointless diatribe.   Each will form their own opinion should they have even bothered to read the exchange of postings.     >>>

Good luck to the Rugby Club, with or without, "the person".

I see. Your embarrassed and don't want this to continue...you would rather it just go away.

No problem.


Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 03:28:16 PM
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I see. Your embarrassed and don't want this to continue...you would rather it just go away.

No problem.

The last thing Yorkie suffers from is embarrassment!

He is thick skinned, broad shouldered and cannot tolerate fools.

Mellons is so apt for you, full of water and no substance!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 23, 2012, 04:57:53 PM
I think everyone's had their say, so time to call it a day for this particular discussion.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: majormellons on July 23, 2012, 05:02:28 PM
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I think everyone's had their say, so time to call it a day for this particular discussion.

Now he's turning personal, it's probably a good call.

You'll hear no more from me on the subject, thank you Dave.

And appologies to (most) other forum members for hijacking the thread.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on July 23, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
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And appologies to (most) other forum members for hijacking the thread.



Not at all, I was quite enjoying it.  :)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
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And appologies to (most) other forum members for hijacking the thread.


Not at all, I was quite enjoying it.  :)

So was I until it became so repetitive.  Bit like Rumpole of the Bailey!  >>>
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 24, 2012, 11:44:57 PM
Ahem... (cough)....Bertola....   almost rhymes with Pergola, if you stretch a point... anyone noticed?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 25, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
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Ahem... (cough)....Bertola....   almost rhymes with Pergola, if you stretch a point... anyone noticed?  :laugh:

Hadn't noticed, never heard of a Councillor Pergola, and wasn't Bertola something to do with Ice Cream?    _))*

http://thoughtsofoscar.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/bertola.html (http://thoughtsofoscar.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/bertola.html)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Nemesis on July 25, 2012, 11:53:05 AM
Bertola Cream Sherry  ??????????? or did imagine that my dad liked it ?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on July 25, 2012, 03:54:04 PM
Did you know we had a problem with Grants in the Hotel sector? Money was available in better times, from Public Funds to make improvements to privately owned properties. Alas only the large establishments or very well connected property owners seemed able to meet the criteria to get funding. It turned out that it was much easier for those administering the schemes to pay out for one or two very large projects, than to pay out lots of little amounts to a lot of little guy's. It’s the way things work around here. In my humble opinion stop the Grant system entirely and put Public Money back in the coffers to help finance Public services for all.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on August 14, 2012, 09:59:16 PM
Does anyone genuinly think there is one councillor on the town council who gives a stuff about the beach or the grass cutting,try and leave out the County Councillors because they just will not knock CCBC whatever,so out of the councillors who are left there is not one who will stand up and fight for the voters ,or is there.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 16, 2012, 09:26:33 AM
As I've always said, Council officers treat the Councillors like mushrooms - feed them sh*t and keep them in the dark.  :laugh:

Conwy County Council slammed by auditors in damning report
by David Powell, DPW West Aug 16 2012

WATCHDOGS have criticised a council for failing to monitor how it spends public money.

In a critical report, auditors KPMG highlighted how Conwy mishandled projects like Maesdu Road Bridge, the ex-Dinosaur World site and Llandudno Swimming Pool.

Clwyd West MP David Jones called the report “troubling” and cited a “culture of secrecy” at the authority.

Conwy Council says it is putting its house in order. Its audit committee will study KPMG’s 31-page report at a special meeting on Monday.

KPMG had agreed with the council to carry out a review of Conwy contracting procedures as a result of overspends on some large capital projects.

On the controversial £2m overspend on Maesdu Bridge, KPMG says a complex contract was left to inexperienced staff with insufficient support.

The council let the contract based on engineers’ time rather than setting a fixed price, so the cost was difficult to control.

The council didn’t include some foreseeable costs like a replacement bus service.

KPMG say the former Dinosaur World building – turned into a Forest School – and Llandudno Pool had “weak control” or “poor contract management”. Officers invited potential contractors to tender for the Forest School Project but only gave them three days to reply.

On the pool, it originally was to cost £5,014,745 but the final cost was £6,254,000, an increase of 25%. Overall, KPMG found: “The council performs inconsistently. Some contracts are applied correctly and some examples of good practice exist (Eirias Park project).

“However many aspects of the contracting process need improving, including the way procedures are applied in many council services.” It adds: “The council is not always able to demonstrate it has delivered value for money.” KPMG recommends Conwy monitors large projects better.

The auditors accept Conwy is trying to improve by training managers and doing internal audits in risk areas. For example, officers are reporting progress over the £18m Ysgol Y Gogarth reconstruction fortnightly to an executive body. But KPMG stress Conwy generally still has “significant work to do”. Only then can it “be confident all third party expenditure is being procured, managed and monitored” efficiently.

KPMG said Conwy kept details of claims against and by the council over the Maesdu Road Bridge from councillors.

Clwyd West MP David Jones said: “This is clearly a troubling report. It’s worrying that senior officials did not share details of the progress of the (bridge) work with council members which means taxpayers’ money was spent without sufficient scrutiny.” He claimed parts of the bridge fiasco suggest a “culture of secrecy” and called for an open debate in full council.

Conwy council said: “KPMG included a number of key recommendations within the report. In response to these, officers have already developed an action plan and progress will be monitored as part of the Authority’s service performance review process.”
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 16, 2012, 11:23:30 AM
Apparently the latest list of Llandudno Town Councillor's Declarations of Interest are available:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/120651/response/304539/attach/html/3/Decs%20of%20Interest%202012.doc.html (http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/120651/response/304539/attach/html/3/Decs%20of%20Interest%202012.doc.html)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 16, 2012, 08:51:10 PM
No wonder Oscar refers to Bodlondeb as 'The Temple of Waste'
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 17, 2012, 07:00:18 AM
Too many brown envelopes!    ;)
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: dwsi on August 20, 2012, 09:48:16 AM
BBC News - Llandudno Maesdu bridge overspend set to top £4m http://bbc.in/Py0h8o (http://bbc.in/Py0h8o)

A rebuilt bridge could cost taxpayers over £4 million when final costs are agreed, about four times the original estimate.

External auditors who examined the Maesdu railway bridge project in Llandudno highlight shortcomings in the way it was managed by Conwy council.

An auditors' report says the figure could rise as the council is in legal talks over fees with contractors.

The council said it is acting on recommendations.


"As well as overspends on both construction and design consultancy, the original pricing missed a number of items”

Auditors' report
KPMG
Maesdu bridge carries one of the main roads into the town, and reopened in September 2010 after a complete rebuild.

Auditors KPMG point out that the original estimate in 2008/09 was £1.1 million.

However, between the business case being submitted and approved and the final completion of the bridge, the total cost escalated to £3.9 million.

"As well as overspends on both construction and design consultancy, the original pricing missed a number of items - most notably costs associated with utility diversion, provision of a shuttle bus, fees and costs to Network Rail," says the report.

'Significant improvements'
But it reckons the overspend so far - said to be £1.3m between when the "final" decision was made on the project to the "latest" estimate - may not be the final bill.


The external auditor's report is to go to the council's audit committee on Monday
That is because the final cost remains "provisional with ongoing negotiations and arbitration with both contractor and consultant in an attempt to reduce the council's final liability".

The authority has had to engage external solicitors to deal with the talks, and their costs have not yet been included in the estimates.

The auditors say "significant improvements" to project management processes and cost monitoring have since been proposed with over-runs in costs now better identified as projects are reconsidered when they reach 70% of their budgeted costs.

A Conwy council spokesperson said: "KPMG included a number of key recommendations within the report.

"In response to these recommendations, officers have already developed an action plan and progress will be monitored as part of the authority's service performance review process."

The report is to go to the council's audit committee later on Monday.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: DaveR on August 20, 2012, 10:09:59 AM
It shows an amazing level of incompetence to be able to b****r things up so badly.
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Yorkie on August 20, 2012, 10:34:57 AM
"Off with their heads!", as the Queen of Hearts would say.  We need a bit more of the Alice spin - it is just one fairy tale after another with this Council.  Where are the Councillors in all this?  Should they not be the watchdogs for all of us?  Some Council Officers need firing.    :rage:
Title: Re: The long running saga of Maesdu Bridge
Post by: Fester on August 21, 2012, 01:47:25 AM
What about the poor Bas##ards who's business was wrecked by this fiasco?  It's entirely unfair.

It went on far too long, it was badly mismanaged, and it had cost too many people too much.

It sounds an awful lot like my house extension last year!   
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2012, 08:28:22 AM
The KPMG Report on Conwy Council, including analysis of Maesdu Bridge, Llandudno Swimming Pool and Forest School (Eirias Park) disasters:

http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000176/M00003419/AI00037040/ConwycontractsreportFINAL100712.pdf (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000176/M00003419/AI00037040/ConwycontractsreportFINAL100712.pdf)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
CCBC are bringing in private contractors to patrol the streets issuing fines for littering and dog fouling:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00003324/AI00036175/ (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00003324/AI00036175/)$LitterandDogFoulingReportincRRGcomments.doc.pdf
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 23, 2012, 12:30:10 PM
I can't see this one either?  Directory listing denied? (the other one is the Rhos on Sea link)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
Just highlight the whole of the link, right click, and select 'Go to' from the menu
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 23, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
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Just highlight the whole of the link, right click, and select 'Go to' from the menu

I was having same trouble so I highlighted, then CNTRL C then CNTRL V in address bar and it worked OK.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 23, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
No idea how you right click on an iPad?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Then I guess CCBC policy on Dog Fouling will remain a mystery to you....
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 23, 2012, 02:04:42 PM
I can wait till I turn the old pc on later!  ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 23, 2012, 03:59:54 PM
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No idea how you right click on an iPad?

Me thinks that someone needs to download the instruction manual and "tap" in to the many options the iPad has to offer!    $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on August 23, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
Quote
I can't see this one either?  Directory listing denied? (the other one is the Rhos on Sea link)

It's one single link - both lines.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 23, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
The link only seems to be up to  a dollar symbol only the first part seems to link?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 23, 2012, 09:48:54 PM
Just type in up to the co.uk and then when you get to the site do a search.   Or just try a search from Google.    ££$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: dwsi on August 23, 2012, 10:11:03 PM
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CCBC are bringing in private contractors to patrol the streets issuing fines for littering and dog fouling:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00003324/AI00036175/ (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00003324/AI00036175/)$LitterandDogFoulingReportincRRGcomments.doc.pdf

working link http://bit.ly/Stas0L (http://bit.ly/Stas0L)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
The Forum software doesn't like links that have a $ symbol in them and refuses to parse them correctly. Why any links need to have a $ symbol in them is beyond me...  &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 23, 2012, 11:07:50 PM
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CCBC are bringing in private contractors to patrol the streets issuing fines for littering and dog fouling:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00003324/AI00036175/ (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00003324/AI00036175/)$LitterandDogFoulingReportincRRGcomments.doc.pdf

working link http://bit.ly/Stas0L (http://bit.ly/Stas0L)

Thanks Dwsi, I've finally seen it!  D). Seems like a good idea!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 24, 2012, 10:34:41 AM
As with private companies used to issue parking tickets, this will probably result in "targets" being set for the opereratives and over zealous ones using unauthodox tactics to make up the numbers.  WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 24, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
Those points are all covered in the Report, Yorkie.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 24, 2012, 11:18:35 AM
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Those points are all covered in the Report, Yorkie.

Oh good!  I haven't had time to read it.   Thanks Dave.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 24, 2012, 11:57:11 AM
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Those points are all covered in the Report, Yorkie.

Oh good!  I haven't had time to read it.   Thanks Dave.

just right click the link.........  ;D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 24, 2012, 01:14:34 PM
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Those points are all covered in the Report, Yorkie.

Oh good!  I haven't had time to read it.   Thanks Dave.

just right click the link.........  ;D

Actually all I had to do was touch the screen over the link with my finger.  These iPads are marvellous!   ZXZ

I have now read the report and notice particularly the division of the spoils!   Must check my shareholdings.  &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: 1_rob_1 on August 24, 2012, 10:22:37 PM
Dave R   
The $ symbol hides a network share, so if a network is set up correctly, then only certain users can use the $ symbol to access certain hidden folders/files on the network, & unless you are one of the privileged ones, access will be denied.
The reason these links cannot be accessed is not necessarily down to the forum software, it can also be down to the shares on the site that are being accessed.
Hope this makes sense cos Im not very good at explaining things. (I know what I mean though ;D)
 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 24, 2012, 11:21:11 PM
I hear what you're saying, but, in this case, the only reason the link doesn't work is because the Forum software is only treating half of it as a link (the bit up to the $ symbol) and disregarding the rest (hence it's not underlined), thus creating effectively a dead link. If you copy/paste the link, it works fine, so not a problem at the CCBC end.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on September 03, 2012, 07:26:59 AM
Town council are in trouble again,i missed this one,too busy looking at the uncut grass,apparently the town council pay CCBC each year to put up the flagpoles on the promenade,seems that the town council has never bothered putting any flags on them,so that money could have gone on a lawnmower.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on September 03, 2012, 07:30:02 AM
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Town council are in trouble again,i missed this one,too busy looking at the uncut grass,apparently the town council pay CCBC each year to put up the flagpoles on the promenade,seems that the town council has never bothered putting any flags on them,so that money could have gone on a lawnmower.

I think you may find that the flags were raised on the poles by the Harbour Master's Department, and with Tony Mead leaving, no one bothered their backside.   WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on September 03, 2012, 07:37:55 AM
In that case why has not one of the 30 town councillors that the flagpoles they pay to be erected have never had a flag on and reported it,Cll Bertola walks down the prom every morning.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on September 03, 2012, 07:46:05 AM
To be honest Wrex, as an ex Councillor, I was never aware that the Town Council paid for that service, but then again, one can't know everything.

I doubt many other Town Councillors (if any) are aware either.  The real duty is that of the Town Clerk who seems to be proving a bit of a problem area as far as my recent experience is concerned.    WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on September 03, 2012, 08:28:08 AM
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Town council are in trouble again,i missed this one,too busy looking at the uncut grass,apparently the town council pay CCBC each year to put up the flagpoles on the promenade,seems that the town council has never bothered putting any flags on them,so that money could have gone on a lawnmower.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on October 23, 2012, 08:20:50 AM
Saw this over on Oscar's blog:

Why do we constantly put up with substandard garbage from our Council, Council workers and officers?
Our elected representatives constantly lie to us.  They promise faithfully to act in OUR best interests until elected when they switch over to cruise control and just do the minimum they can get away with until the next election. And that's the good ones!
The bad ones just concentrate on feathering their own nests and promoting the interests of their cronies!

The trouble is that most of the time, when given the choice between a lazy naughty boy, a crook or a villain, we always choose one of them.  Unfortunately very few suitable candidates stand for election. It is universally seen as a cushy number, an easy way to make decent money with little effort and negligible supervision.

The Council employs many officers in the various departments. A few are good at their job, lots aren't and many try to make their posts appear far more important than they really are.  This is to ensure their post is secure and hopefully to get some of their workload unloaded onto another officer due to "pressure of work" in their very important position!
This usually involves the creation of yet another totally frivolous post which the recipient can then build his empire around. And so on and on. The "officer tree" has become so extended (and expensive) that individual officers can assume a degree of power way above their pay grade and if their fancy takes them they can misuse the power invested in them at their will.

Then there are the Council workers, the salt of the earth that make the wheels go round, albeit somewhat slowly!  No doubt due to union involvement every body knows his job is relatively secure. Council workers lose their jobs due to financial restrictions rather than being sacked for incompetence, incivility or plain right criminal activity.  This althoughusually well deserved seldom if ever occurs!  Most seem to see their jobs rather like a little lottery win, a meal ticket for their working life.
They just have to do as little as they can get away with and everything will be fine.A high viz vest and a newish little van and you are made for life!

Why does the council own and run so many vehicles? Does nearly every council workman really need to have his own, council provided, personal transport?  It certainly seems like that. Previously our local councils have had a fraction of the vehicles they seem to have today. I realise that CCBC is now a large council covering an extended area but it always used to seem to work much better.

Better before a huge fleet of new little vans and fancy four-wheel drive vehicles! It all costs money, our money and I'm getting sick of seeing it wasted for such poor returns, crappy services and lousy facilities!"
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on October 23, 2012, 09:41:00 AM
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Saw this over on Oscar's blog:

Why do we constantly put up with substandard garbage from our Council, Council workers and officers?


The simple answer is BECAUSE WE LET THEM!    WWW   WWW   WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on February 20, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
Another embarrassing TV documentary for our area last night, and once again public money ...OUR MONEY, has been thrown away.   

I'm not sure who came across as the most shifty and evasive, the conman himself, or our beloved council leader Iwan Davies.  He really didn't cover himself in glory.

The issue was around the guy who conned CCBC out of £125,000 to open the Jenivore Hotel as a Service Veterans Hostel.
It wasn't a sophisticated con.  He asked for the money and he was given it!

All this could have been avoided by simple and basic management controls.  Such as checking the guys background which was entirely fabricated.
Mismanagement has cost us dear yet again.   &shake& &shake&


Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on February 21, 2013, 07:30:09 AM
It's okay, Fester:  the money wasn't from CCBC, but the Welsh Assembly. Conwy were only administering it.

It's curious: the National Lottery has also experienced similar issues in the past. I'm guessing the problem lies in defining the half-way point between making it almost impossible to get money in the first place for genuinely worthy schemes and incurring the wrath of the electorate as a consequence or making it too easy and running the risk of losing large sums, as they've done. Knowing how difficult it usually is to get money out of public bodies one has to wonder if there isn't more to this than appears at first glance.

Edit:  "Plaid Cymru MP Elfyn Llwyd, a prominent campaigner for veterans, admits being taken in by O'Neill."   I know Elfyn Llwyd personally, and he's certainly no fool. As an ex-barrister he's quite well acquainted with con men and their ilk. It's also worth bearing in mind that the BBC themselves - who so self-righteously put out the programme deploring the lack of background checking on this bloke - were also, apparently, completely taken in by him:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-12848188 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-12848188)

Here's what they had to say in2011:

"Mr O'Neill, a former Royal Military Policeman based on Anglesey, said Wrexham's Glyndwr University had donated a conference room for Thursday's meeting. He also said the university's vice chancellor, Professor Michael Scott, had agreed to be a patron of the new charity"

So the upshot is that the BBC themselves, Barristers, university Chancellors and many others were taken in by someone who they're all now condemning, although quite rightly.  Not sure this is really a lot to do with CCBC. 

And that has to be a first:  me defending the Council...   
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on February 21, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
As I understand it, the money was given to this guy by CCBC on WG's behalf.  It has now been repaid by CCBC to WG out of their own funds, as this guy has spent it all on gambling etc.

So.....CCBC is £125,000 down on the deal, surely?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on February 21, 2013, 12:18:36 PM
It'll depend on the conditions, Dave.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on February 21, 2013, 06:26:34 PM
I believe the documentary explicitly said that CCBC were £125,000 out of pocket on the deal.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on February 21, 2013, 07:02:23 PM
Indeed, but the conditions of the payment are tricky to navigate. Because of paybacks and such CCBC might not be in any default situation whatsoever.  Time will tell. Meanwhile, the crucial, aspect - that of identifying the guy's past - remains unresolved, since journalist's sources are regarded as sacrosanct .
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2013, 10:42:44 PM
I don't usually join the clamour to slag off CCBC, but two things motivated me on this occasion.

1, The public finances are so tight these days, that many parts of the wonderful town of Llandudno are going to hell in a handcart, for want of a few quid spending on them.  (Public toilets for example)

2, Seeing the highly paid CEO of the council performing so poorly when confronted with the questions.
He tried to maintain a professional facade, but it soon fell apart.
Perhaps it's just me, but I expect a better performance from our so-called 'leaders'  &shake&
 

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on February 21, 2013, 10:58:16 PM
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Seeing the highly paid CEO of the council performing so poorly when confronted with the questions.
He tried to maintain a professional facade, but it soon fell apart.
Which makes it all the more hillarious that the following took place at the Council Meeting today:

"Leader @conwycbc congratulates the Chief Exec on the way he handled last night's TV interview on this issue"

Not the blind leading the blind.....but the clueless leading the clueless......  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2013, 11:41:31 PM
So now one can expect accolades for fobbing off people, rather than actually managing to confront the issue?

I will commend him when he actually tackles and resolves something, not for dodging it.



Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2013, 07:17:06 AM
I missed the programme, but I'll take a peek later on iPlayer.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2013, 07:32:58 AM
Is the 'interview' the part of the prog where he was ambushed by the Beeb's reporter as he was entering the council offices?
 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on February 22, 2013, 08:16:03 AM
Yes, but only because CCBC had not replied to any of the BBC's requests for an interview over the preceding work.

These people at CCBC need to understand that they work for us and are accountable to us. They are the servants of the people, not the masters, and it does them no harm to be reminded of this from time to time.  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
Right.  Yes - I agree, Dave, and they're altogether too anxious to try to hide what they're up to or their own failings.  However, on the incident of the reporter, I think the CE did the right thing. Having any sort of interview on the spur of the moment when what you said could be edited and replayed endlessly would have been a very bad tactic.

Although, you could argue that applying for the job of CE in a county which is quite widely regarded as a nest of vipers curled around a poisoned chalice he should take the fall...

Edit:  I've edited this post as several things had been changed by auto-correct, which is beginning to annoy me.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on March 22, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
I see that the Llandudno Town Council spending will rise from £322,222 to £458,079 this coming year. This is a significant rise!

At a time when so many people are struggling to pay basic bills, can such a large rise be justified and what is it intended that the extra money raised will be spent on?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on March 22, 2013, 12:11:50 PM
Wonder if it is worth it.  Looking at the press it seems just a playground for some County Cllrs to have a pop at Conwy for publicity.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on June 26, 2013, 10:20:17 AM
Resignation letter of former County Councillor, Paul Roberts, taken from Oscar's blog. It's hard to disagree with a lot of what he says - some Councillors may be very nice people but are in completely over their head, just not up to the job:


Dear All,

Firstly I would like the thank the residents of Caerhun who gave me the opportunity to represent them at Council and offer my apologies that I do not feel I can continue in this role for the full term.

It was with a great deal of thought and sadness that I felt compelled to resign as a Conwy County Councillor. I felt I could make a positive contribution and so worked incredibly hard to win my seat with one of the biggest upsets during the election in Wales beating Goronwy Edwards the ex-leader of the council (one of the 'old guard' councillors) at my very first attempt. That, to me anyway, said a lot about how hard I worked to win the seat and also worryingly for Goronwy Edwards I also think it said a lot about how many people locally felt towards his approach to being a councillor representing them for nearly two decades. I trust he has learnt from the experience of being beaten by a 'novice' not only once but twice in a year as he also lost in Deganwy some months later. That lesson could be used wisely to contribute more thoughtfully to Conwy residents in the future. One earns a seat, it is not a right.

I genuinely wanted to make a postive difference and believed I could. I wanted to fulfil my obligations to those who live in Caerhun first and foremost, however having spent a year in council I simply cannot continue in the role within an organisation that I do not believe has a real appetite for change and one where keeping the status quo seems to be more of a priority. I still believe our council wastes money hand over fist, lacks full accountability and transparency, engages in closed door back-slapping diplomacy and lacks any 'real' conviction to become a dynamic inspiring authority that could set the highest of standards for others councils in Wales to follow. We are still a relatively poor county compared to the rest of the UK and on that basis the status quo simply isn't working. We can thank years of Labour and Plaid for that and they are still holding the power base. Wales simply isn't performing to support its residents and more radical openness, co-operation and change is needed to improve the lives of its citizens. This is unlikely to happen given the Labour/Plaid stranglehold on power which is consigning our country to low standards of living, health and education. But still they hold power. I am a councillor…get me out of here..!!

I am proud of the contribution I have made to my local community with efforts to try to raise awareness from rural road safety, being a school governor, supporting local residents in problems with housing associations and police co-ordination, supporting local farm diversification, supporting the red lion pub project and also helping facilitate the Rowen Community Group to garnish the support of the whole of its community to work more effectively are a number that spring to mind. Also as one of the more vocal members of the Principle Scrutiny Committee, I leave knowing I have contributed to the residents through my detailed and often outspoken questioning of officers. Whilst respecting the protocols and work of the officers, it is a councillors duty to challenge them and their ideas more thoroughly than at times I saw witnessed.

Councillors scrutinise and at times often bemoan the skills of some officers whilst at the same time many of those same councillors are woefully under skilled themselves for the portfolios they are often are in charge of. This makes no sense to me and is purely political nonsense from the political leadership of the council. How else could you have people like Dilwyn Roberts (Plaid) be leader of Conwy Council with Ronnie Hughes (Labour), Dave Cowans (Labour) and Chris Hughes (Labour) in such positions of authority and responsibility. How are they qualified for this…? Cllr Joan Vaughan said it recently at the last principle scrutiny committee I attended. She was the portfolio holder that oversaw the Maesdu Bridge mismanagement and over spend. When I challenged her about her accountability as holder she said she was not an engineer and she cannot be held accountable? I like Joan personally but this sort of response, that is not uncommon amongst councillors, leaves me dumbfounded. A portfolio holder paid by the tax payer should be responsible for their portfolio and be skilled enough to undertake the role. It if goes wrong they should go. It is just this lack of accountability and transparency and jobs for the boys mentality that has made me want to end my association with the council.

One of the reasons why this happens is that I feel some forget why they become councillors in the first place. Whilst a very time consuming role indeed it is an honourable role of public service and duty, not a career or a job. In my own opinion the quality and calibre of some of the councillors is below par and some have such a lacklustre attitude to their roles that they may as well not bother wasting tax payers money by being there. The cynical approach to remuneration of councillors sickens me and means I am simply pushing at a closed door when I call for councillor's allowances to be reduced and pension rights given up and donated back to the coffers. Pensions alone are budgeted to cost somewhere in the region of £150,000 this year so rather than some councillors pocketing that money it could be spent on local community projects instead.

Having been a vocal representative of the residents of Caerhun and Conwy to reduce the costs of councillors I was a lone voice. Councillors have been voting for cuts across the board in so many areas that affects so many peoples lives and bizarrely they will not vote to opt out of councillors receiving pensions and also will not vote to cut the allowances and expenses that councillors receive for their duties. All sorts of excuses will be provided why that is the case from the council leader Dilwyn Roberts and others (i.e. it is in line with national policy and all that nonsense) but councillors can choose to change allowances but simply will not choose to be less of a financial burden on the council. A right is a right but it does not have to be exercised..! Turkeys should vote for christmas and costs to the council should be slashed. Can you see Dilwyn Roberts the leader(Plaid), Dave Cowans (Labour), Ronnie Hughes (Labour), Mike Priestly (Lib Dems) trying to push that through council….?

There are 59 councillors in Conwy which in my opinion is far too many when we have MEP's, MP's, AM's also and I would like to see a dramatic reduction in the number of county councillors, the empowerment of and more training for the community councils (which are generally inefficient at the moment), a continued strengthening of the specialist skills of the officers (which will also help to compensate for councillors with low skills and experience) and furthermore I question some councillors motivation for the role the undertake entirely.

For some I feel that the remuneration they received for their public duty becomes too important an income stream for them which then I feel must make it difficult to want to lose that remuneration and therefore easier to fall in line with 'status quo decision making'. This has the potential to influence councillors to not rock the boat as much as they ought. The remuneration is a very nice top up to anyones retirement or other income streams and when you look at the age and composition of the councillors one wonders how much influence this has on decision making.

When is an independent not a independent…when they are a councillor..??

I feel that those standing as independents and those voting independent creates a real problem for councils. Independents councillors vote for and often canvass for the main parties at general elections as they believe in the policies and values of those parties, but choose not to stand by their beliefs during local elections or tell the electorate who they vote for. Why not and on that basis how can anyone be truly independent? I find this unusual and I believe damages local democracy and also councils across wales. It is their right to do so, yet I feel it is cowardly in terms of how one feels politically and so adversely affects the make up and power of councils.

Why are independents allowed to form a group when they get to council and appoint a leader (Phil Evans in Conwy) where in many councils across wales they hold the balance of power and pulls the strings when forming the political makeup and influence of the council. If you are independent don't form a group, stay independent as the way it looks feels and acts, the "Independent Group" is a quasi-political party and as such they should abide by the same rules as other parties to level the playing field. I call for this anomaly in British Politics to be scrutinised more thoroughly and the legality of the independent group process and their perverse influence on politics to be taken in hand.

Also if we want better local democracy then voters need to wake up to what they are voting for and how council works more so that means getting more involved and making more of a noise. In Conwy voting Independent means voting for Labour, Plaid and the Lib Dems to run the council. I do not think that is what people want from an independent vote yet most do not realise that is what happens with their 'supposed' independent vote.

So the status quo continues and nothing really changes. How else would people like Dilwyn Roberts(Plaid), Ronnie Hughes(Labour) and Dave Cowans(Labour) have such levels of responsibility in the real world…? Hundreds of millions of pounds worth of budget responsibility in the hands of local councillors. Scary…!!!

I will focus more on creating jobs and tax revenues for the treasury through business and aim to make a difference to public life in other ways so I will continue to be a net contributor to Conwy rather than be a net burden as so many councillors in Conwy are.

Residents will be please to know I did not put in one expense to council whilst a councillor…!

Goodbye for now and thanks.

Kind Regards,

Paul Roberts
Director
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 04, 2013, 10:41:39 AM
Interesting little document, which shows all the things CCBC are spending money on:
http://tinyurl.com/nahfl8z (http://tinyurl.com/nahfl8z)

I see £280,000 has been spent to 'coast protection -  private frontages at Penrhyn Bay'. Why can the property owners not pay for their own sea defences, they presumably realised before they bought the property that they had a sea wall that would need to be maintained?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Hugo on July 04, 2013, 01:31:36 PM
I had a chance of buying a plot of land there and building my own property many years ago but turned it down for two reasons.  The problem with erosion and also the high cost of installing a suitable sea defence.
Like you say the property owners would have been made aware of the problems when purchasing their properties and should at least contribute something towards the cost.
Something similar was done on the other side of the Little Orme in Craigside and I can't remember whether the owners there had to contribute anything to the sea defences that were put in place.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Paulakelsall on July 06, 2013, 10:53:48 PM
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Something similar was done on the other side of the Little Orme in Craigside and I can't remember whether the owners there had to contribute anything to the sea defences that were put in place.

I understand some sea defences at Craigside were put in place as a condition of the planning permission for new build properties in the late 1980s by the developer (my father-in-law who has long since retired). It was only a small development that covered a section of the coastline so unsure if further works have been undertaken since by neighbouring properties.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 16, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
Whilst having a read of Oscar's Blog, I noticed yet more comments alluding to a forthcoming local govt reorganisation that will see Conwy Council disappear completely. What is now Conwy County will be apportioned between Gwynedd & Denbighire. Will this be a positive move?

On another note, I see that the Llandudno Town Council website has still not reappeared, several months after the hosting company apparently ceased trading. Why is it taking so long? A basic website could be up and running in less than one day. Perhaps I should provide some consultancy to the Town Council - is the going rate still £5k?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian48 on July 16, 2013, 10:20:58 AM
I am not sure if they would split the county again.  If anything they might just put the whole lot with Denbighshire.

That aside, I think it would be disastrous for Llandudno and Conwy to go back to being the poor relation of Bangor and Caernarfon, we were always pretty much the casho cow to fund their hare-brained Welsh language policies (and I say that as a proud Welshman, with no malice to the promotion of the language).

It was always daft that there was no boundary change in 1974 as there was in 1995 as Llandudno, Colwyn Bay and Conwy have been essentially one conurbation for decades now and the three towns make a pretty homogeneous unit socially, economically and linguistically.  To split a natural unit up would be really silly in my view.

I would even say that Llandudno probably has more in common with Rhyl than Caernarfon in some respects, certainly I reckon folk from Llandudno probably go there more often and the ties that way towards the east are stronger than to the west.   
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on July 17, 2013, 12:10:25 PM
Historically the dividing line between Gwynedd and Denbighshire was the Afon Ganol which runs over Rhos golf course.  I would much rather be a part of Gwynedd and many computer data lists still put us there and don't recognise Conwy.

Lump us in with Rhyl?  Ugh give me a break why should we subsidise a town with a drug problem and ober 60% on benefits. Which reminds me. Do people living almost permanently have to pay Council Tax?  I know it was mooted but don't remember if it became law.  We are north west Wales not north east.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on July 17, 2013, 12:11:46 PM
Oh dear I meant almost permanently in caravans!!! Ha :-X
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian48 on July 17, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
I didn't say that we 'should' go in with Rhyl, I was just stating that we probably have more links with Rhyl that we do with Caernarfon.

I am aware that the Afon Ganol was historically the boundary between Caernarvonshire and Denbighshire, but in my opinion, a dividing line of hundreds of years ago that is today little more than a ditch should have no bearing on whether we are reunited with Caernarfon and Bangor etc.  That boundary was an anachronism from the end of the 19th century onwards and it was high time that it was abandoned in 1995.

I would rather we stayed as we are, but I can envisage a scenario where Gwynedd and Ynys Mon become one county, Conwy and Denbighshire another and Wrexham and Flints another perhaps.  It's not ideal, but it would be better than being back in a county that would stretch down to the Aberdaron and Aberdyfi and with which we would have very little in common economically or socially. 

Rhyl is a dive and we all know it, but that's more West Rhyl to be honest, other parts of the town are fairly similar to parts of Llandudno and Colwyn Bay in some respects.  If it had to be so, then I'd rather go west than east.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian48 on July 17, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
In fact you could say that Llandudno is already in some respects in the same county as Rhyl already.  Certainly Llandudno is part of the preserved county of Clwyd as they changed the boundaries and removed us from the preserved county of Gwynedd back around 2006.  This is for purposes such as the Lord Lieutenancy etc and is also the reason why for parliament we became part of the Aberconwy Constituency.  The boundary commissioners back then were firmly of the belief that we belonged as part of North East Wales. 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 17, 2013, 04:57:15 PM
In my fantasy land of common sense, I would like to see a proper reorganisation, whereby services such as Education, Highways and Social Services are delivered at regional (ie. North Wales) level, and everything else (Parks, Public Area Maintenance etc) is delivered at ultra-local level (ie. Town Council). This would work well for a town like Llandudno, where having smart public areas is essential to keep attracting visitors. Unfortunately, since the Town Council in Llandudno's case can't even arrange a functioning website, maybe I will have to go with my Plan B of having the ultra local services delivered by an Elected Mayor, with full control over policy and budget.  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Llechwedd on July 18, 2013, 12:06:01 PM
Llandudno as the premier sea side resort of Wales should sell itself as the gateway to Snowdonia.  We have a history here as does Conwy, Caernarfon etc. Something to be proud of and a beautiful area.
 We don't have anything in common with those dumps otherwise known as C. Bay and Rhyl
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
That does seem very harsh on poor old Colwyn Bay, it was lovely years ago, still is in places!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Linda on July 18, 2013, 02:06:30 PM
I live up above Colwyn Bay and it is lovely, many people i know have some lovely homes around Colwyn Bay, Old Colwyn, West End ,Fabulous homes up near Rydal some with lovely swimming pools, Rhos is also a good area, we all have the Colwyn Bay postcode attached to our addresses and wouldnt take kindly to the WHOLE town being labled a dump!  I can think of a couple of dubious areas in Llandudno. Every town has that element . We dont like it and im sure the folk in Llandudno wouldnt like the label' dump' because of those certain areas. I thought that this was a Three towns forum . When i first moved to this area Colwyn Bay was very select 40 years ago. Sadly too many bedsits in the centre of town brought it down but that is just one area of Colwyn!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 18, 2013, 02:12:28 PM
Linda, that's spot on!  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Big Alan on July 18, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Fiona Campbell Rothery! :o
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
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Fiona Campbell Rothery! :o
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-woman-handed-asbo-5117246 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-woman-handed-asbo-5117246)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Big Alan on July 18, 2013, 07:41:39 PM
Ta Dave  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
It's amazing to think this Rothery woman was living in such squalor...  &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2013, 08:52:04 AM
Pickles throws down blogging gauntlet
22 August 2013

Eric Pickles has today attacked ''heavy handed'' councils who intimidate or even arrest bloggers at council meetings and accused them of abusing their powers.

The Communities Secretary cited a number of examples of reporters, community bloggers and other members of the public being barred from council meetings for texting, tweeting or filming.

Announcing new guidance to open up Planning Inspectorate appeals hearings to the public, Pickles threw down the gauntlet to local authorities to adopt the same levels of openness.

He named and shamed seven councils which have taken steps to bar, censor or remove members of the public during meetings, including an authority in Carmarthenshire which instructed police to arrest and handcuff a blogger for attempting to film a council meeting.

Pickles said that "a small number of councils are blocking filming because they want to suppress independent reporting, just as some councils are clinging to their town hall Pravdas".

"Councillors shouldn't be ashamed or be trying to hide the work they do," he said.

He added: "An independent local press and robust public scrutiny is essential for a healthy local democracy: without the sunlight of transparency, the flowering of localism will wither. Heavy-handed councils who call the police to suppress freedom of speech are abusing state powers."

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=23746 (http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=23746)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 23, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
I wonder if the next stage will be how impartial is the independent local press.  *&(
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Cambrian on August 23, 2013, 02:05:24 PM
When the UK and Welsh Government Cabinets open their meetings to the public (except for security matters) I will take Mr Pickles more seriously.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: dwsi on August 23, 2013, 02:48:11 PM
Carmarthenshire Planning Problems and more: Eric Pickles; 'Abuse of state powers as councils threaten bloggers with arrest' http://ow.ly/ocyNZ (http://ow.ly/ocyNZ)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on August 23, 2013, 03:00:56 PM
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When the UK and Welsh Government Cabinets open their meetings to the public (except for security matters) I will take Mr Pickles more seriously

Well, he's talking about town council meetings. They're the equivalent of Parliament - which is televised, so perhaps he has a point.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2013, 01:47:46 PM
The Llandudno Town Council website is now operational again, although large swathes of it are marked 'coming soon'. A shame that a Caernarfon web company was used, instead of a local business.

http://llandudno.gov.uk/index.html (http://llandudno.gov.uk/index.html)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2014, 08:49:16 AM
Conwy Council now have Webcasts of key Council meetings, although only 1 has been loaded at present:
http://www.conwy.public-i.tv/core/portal/home (http://www.conwy.public-i.tv/core/portal/home)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on May 06, 2014, 08:51:19 AM
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The Llandudno Town Council website is now operational again, although large swathes of it are marked 'coming soon'. A shame that a Caernarfon web company was used, instead of a local business.

http://llandudno.gov.uk/index.html (http://llandudno.gov.uk/index.html)
Back in September, I posted the above message. Nine months later, I looked at the website again and still no agendas/reports/minutes online for taxpayers (you know, the people that actually pay for everything) to view - amazing!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 06, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
This debacle is now in its 5th year.  It was doomed from the first attempt which was by a LOCAL company!   _))*

The main problem is that there is no one in the Council either interested or capable of keeping it up to date.  Toby Prosser made a good attempt when he was Town Clerk, but he was an IT geek!
 :D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Dwyforite on May 06, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
till we get a ballot paper with the box NONE OF THE ABOVE will we get the government or the council we want,i have recently realised that my vote has  helped a person on the local council  to get into two well paid jobs TWICE my only ,
ask of him is that he should ask at council meetings if we could have a couple more dog waste bins in Llandudno south,the result one less bin on ffordd Elisabeth.i now realise anybody getting elected has their own agenda not the agenda the electors told them that they would like,and I now understand the word APATHY,as in the song ,the working class can kiss my **** I'm on the council at last
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on May 06, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
There is a further problem for any new Councillor.......... that age old question!

How long do I keep banging my head against a brick wall before I give up trying?


Wrex and I have experienced it, as have many others!
 >>>
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 03, 2014, 11:46:58 AM
A SENIOR Conwy councillor has defected from the Lib Dems and joined Welsh Labour.

Conwy Council cabinet member for highways, environment and sustainability Mike Priestley wrote to residents on Thursday to inform them of his break from the current coalition government party.

He said: “I have been struggling personally with the Liberal Democrats nationally since the coalition and find myself becoming more distant from their policies.

“I am a former trade union branch chairman and I feel like I am coming back to my roots.”

Cllr Priestley, who represents the Marl ward on Conwy Council, stood as the Lib Dem candidate for Aberconwy in both the general and assembly elections

He added: “Labour in Wales is delivering real help for Conwy on projects such as Llandudno Railway station, creating and securing jobs in the local area like the 50 at the new Surf Snowdonia, 90 through the Lift Grant and saving 300 jobs at Robinsons Research.

“Working alongside Ed Miliband as Prime Minister in 2015 there is real hope for the future in North Wales.

“My decision will not affect my work as a local councillor.

“I am proud of my record as a strong voice for our area and as someone who is always available to local residents.”

Welsh Labour leader and First Minister Carwyn Jones AM said: “It is a pleasure to welcome Mike to Welsh Labour.

“We know he is someone who cares deeply about his local area and he is an important addition to our Labour Group in Conwy and the party more generally.”

A spokesperson for the Welsh Liberal Democrats said: “As a party, we have a proud record of delivery for the people of Conwy.

“We are working hard for the local area to ensure that everyone has the services they deserve and we will continue to campaign on matters that matter most to local people.”

Title: llandudno youth
Post by: wrex on July 13, 2014, 07:38:05 PM
With the loss of Broadway Boulavard,the Washington and now maybe the Superbowl what can we do for the youth of this town who don;t go to Uni and are left to live here.I don;t think i have heard any councillors showing any concerns,i know you can;t make anybody invest but there must be some disscusion about where our youth can go.
Title: Re: llandudno youth
Post by: Yorkie on July 13, 2014, 08:00:49 PM
Do we have to mammby pammby today's kids from the day they are born until they die?  They can do what we did as kids - get off their arses and form their own clubs and organised groups.  We have a Ski Slope, Snooker, Football, Cricket, Swimming, Cycling, Gymnasia, Martial Arts, Music, Dramatics, Field Sports, Climbing, Sailing, Windsurfing, Model Railways, Model Boating, Forces Cadet Corps, St John's, Charity work, and a thousand and one more past-times, even down to Chess and Stamp Collecting.

Or if they wish they can drink themselves silly and drug themselves up,  the choice is theirs.

 ZXZ
Title: Re: llandudno youth
Post by: Michael on July 13, 2014, 09:28:03 PM
  My goodness Yorkie you have certainly made a good old list of activities (even if Golf drops into the 1001 other things) Mike
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 14, 2014, 08:25:26 AM
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what can we do for the youth of this town who don't go to Uni and are left to live here........Do we have to nammby pammby today's kids from the day they are born until they die?  They can do what we did as kids - get off their arses and form their own clubs and organised groups.

Interesting perspectives and an age-old issue. To wrex I'd simply observe that if the financial incentive were there, I suspect we'd see companies queuing up to create things for the youth you mention. But the very group you identify as needing something are arguably the group least able to afford commercial activities. Your concern seems to be for the 18 - 24 year olds, and they're technically adults and not youth. If they're not attending University, then they're presumably in employment or on apprenticeship schemes. By that age, it's unlikely that anything could be provided specifically for them on a commercial basis that didn't cost.

To Yorkie I'd say that I agree about the cosseting of young people, since it's only by using their ability to think and devise their own activities that they'll ever learn how to cope with the world but the young are like the young of any mammalian species. Left entirely to their own devices they will certainly "form their own clubs and organised groups" but these may not be the ones we want. We don't have that much of a problem here, but London sees this happening with often fatal results.

The young are the future for our society and they need and want leadership. Wrex's concern for that need is laudable, although the voluntary sector is doing a lot to take up the slack with the younger groups. However, there's a noticeable drop-off in membership as youngsters pass the ages of 15 and 16.  D of E groups are now largely centred in the Secondary School sector, Scouting and Guiding retain a fair number, most of whom then go off to University, however, and other religious-based youth organisations continue to attract gradually diminishing numbers of teens. With all these, however, the onus is on the leadership of the institution in question and good leaders are very hard to find. The churches could do a lot more, but all too often the leadership in them believes it's not their problem.

But the council also supports voluntary groups and it was discovered many years ago, when the great cities were attempting to rebuild society in the aftermath of the war, that council-based initiatives for young people worked best when they were driven through existing voluntary organisations. It was for that reason that grants were made available to all properly constituted youth organisations, both at national and local level.

But I suspect the bottom line is that those capable and willing to lead 18 - 24 year olds are far too thin on the ground and no amount of expenditure on constructed facilities will make one jot of difference. And I'd add one note of caution: as I was writing this I was trying to think of any voluntary organisation that successfully leads and motivates the 18 - 24 year old age group and I could think of only one. And it's very strong in Cardiff.



Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: born2run on July 14, 2014, 10:07:55 AM
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But I suspect the bottom line is that those capable and willing to lead 18 - 24 year olds are far too thin on the ground and no amount of expenditure on constructed facilities will make one jot of difference. And I'd add one note of caution: as I was writing this I was trying to think of any voluntary organisation that successfully leads and motivates the 18 - 24 year old age group and I could think of only one. And it's very strong in Cardiff.

I'm not sure who you are referring to? But the Prince's trust are very good
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 14, 2014, 10:24:06 AM
The Prince's Trust are excellent.  And they fulfil a vital role in society.  But for week-by-week support you need volunteers, willing to give time every week to supporting young people.
Title: Re: llandudno youth
Post by: Yorkie on July 14, 2014, 06:00:54 PM
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  My goodness Yorkie you have certainly made a good old list of activities (even if Golf drops into the 1001 other things) Mike

Mike, you don't seriously think I want all that riff-raff churning up my Golf Course, do you?    :golf:   :D
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on July 23, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
I have just seen another person fined for littering, he was shocked and angry, I found out he was from Conwy and did'nt know about the wardens, (no excuse).     During the recent air show, for the blind, I saw a member of the Royal Welsh Fusiliers in uniform, who had travelled some distance to raise money in aid of the above, also fined, again,no excuse, but I thought, under that circumstance, a warning would have been in order.                              How much harm is being done to Llandudno with visitors near and far, being fined.                                                According to the council, these wardens, are supposed to be in uniform, I would have thought a high viz. model would deter littering, and would be fairer to the visitors.........but, then the private company would lose out, and the staff, could'nt have their raffle
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 23, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Personally I think these Litter Wardens look more like Pub Bouncers.  Maybe they should be given a litter picker and a bag so they could clear up as they go about the town! 
 :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 24, 2014, 12:31:11 AM
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Personally I think these Litter Wardens look more like Pub Bouncers.  Maybe they should be given a litter picker and a bag so they could clear up as they go about the town! 
 :rage:

Agreed,  they look like poorly dressed, unregulated pub bouncers at that.  Not too bright either.

REMEMBER.... if approached by them, never comply or engage them, there is nothing that they can do about a non-compliant person.  Not without massively inconveniencing them and preventing them earning money for the rest of the day.

They are Scum actually.... and we have a thread designed  just for them!

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 24, 2014, 06:49:50 AM
As I commented here ages ago, I wouldn't tell them my name and address! I don't drop litter ever, but it is possible to drop a shop till receipt without noticing and then they could pounce!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: born2run on July 28, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
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Personally I think these Litter Wardens look more like Pub Bouncers.  Maybe they should be given a litter picker and a bag so they could clear up as they go about the town! 
 :rage:

Agreed,  they look like poorly dressed, unregulated pub bouncers at that.  Not too bright either.

REMEMBER.... if approached by them, never comply or engage them, there is nothing that they can do about a non-compliant person.  Not without massively inconveniencing them and preventing them earning money for the rest of the day.

They are Scum actually.... and we have a thread designed  just for them!

For once we agree  $angry$ Walking on the road by Bog Island (KFC side) I walked the whole road looking for a bin to put my rubbish in, didn't find one bin and had to cross the street but did walk past four of these goons. Must have to collect a lot of fines to pay them all
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 28, 2014, 01:58:15 PM
I saw a comment on Oscar's Blog that Guto Bebb is 'on an all expenses paid trip to Israel paid for by the taxpayer, Conservative group friends of Israel'. Is this true? If it is true, what relevance has it to his Constituency? He could spend the time more productively by trying to push the Pavilion issue to the fore, I'm sure that's what local voters would prefer?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 28, 2014, 02:24:57 PM
I've not previously heard of 'Conservative friends of Israel' whatever is the point of that?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: norman08 on July 28, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
That is why he couldn't,t attend the civic Sunday bash to go with the other freeloaders ,amazing where they all come from when the free food is  on offer
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on July 28, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
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I've not previously heard of 'Conservative friends of Israel' whatever is the point of that?

Lots of freebie trips and bacon sandwiches!     _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 28, 2014, 06:18:49 PM
Conservative friends of Israel: all explained here...

http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/ (http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 28, 2014, 07:28:25 PM
Amazing! Can't see the point of it! What has it got to do with the UK?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 28, 2014, 08:51:39 PM
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Conservative friends of Israel: all explained here...

http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/ (http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/)
Friends of the biggest warmongers in the Middle East? Nice...  &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 28, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
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Conservative friends of Israel: all explained here...

http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/ (http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/)
Friends of the biggest warmongers in the Middle East? Nice...  &shake&

Not just me that thinks that then!  $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on July 29, 2014, 01:30:01 AM
One man's 'Warmonger'  is another man's 'Defender'

I happen to agree with Israel's robust defence of it's border area.

I have visited and worked in Israel, and the constant threat from all sides is palpable.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 29, 2014, 08:48:40 AM
This is an incredibly thorny issue and I doubt there are any clear-cut answers. You can - as Dave says - suggest the Israelis are "the biggest warmongers in the Middle East", and with some justification.  The State of Israel was born in blood through terrorism in 1948, but that makes it much like any other state and country in the world.

But the Arab nations have taken an interesting position towards Israel. By publicly and openly denying its existence and refusing to recognise it they make negotiations extremely difficult. In addition all Arab states are officially dedicated to the destruction of Israel - another aspect which makes negotiation a tad tricky. Finally, the extreme elements in Gaza are using exactly the same tactics on the Israelis as the latter did on the British in 1948, so defeating them will be impossible. All in all it makes the 'nest of vipers' analogy almost tame by comparison.

This last confrontation was started by the murder of three teenage Israelis and Israel's leaders had little choice but to respond aggressively.  But none of this addresses the Conservative friends of Israel's relevance. The thinking is probably because so many banking and major business interests are in the hands of the Jewish, and some of the biggest party donors are Jewish. But that fails to take into account that leading Labour party politicians are and always have been Jewish.

As I said, no easy answers but I don't think - on balance - that they're actively warmongering.



Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 29, 2014, 09:10:05 AM
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I don't think - on balance - that they're actively warmongering.
Opinions vary on that one...

"In a report published in February 2014 covering incidents over the three year period of 2011-2013, Amnesty International asserted that Israeli forces employed reckless violence in the West Bank, and in some instances appeared to engage in wilful killings which would be tantamount to war crimes. Besides the numerous fatalities, Amnesty said at least 261 Palestinians, including 67 children, had been gravely injured by Israeli use of live ammunition. In this same period, 45 Palestinians, including 6 children had been killed. Amnesty's review of 25 civilians deaths concluded that in no case was there evidence of the Palestinians posing an imminent threat. At the same time, over 8,000 Palestinians suffered serious injuries from other means, including rubber-coated metal bullets."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict)

To pick out just one example...

"On 13 January 2009, 47-year-old Rawhiya al-Najjar was shot in the head as she walked ahead of a group of women carrying a white flag near her home in the village of Khuza’a, in the south of Gaza. Her 14-year-old daughter Heba, who was next to her when she was shot, told Amnesty International:

At about 8am we decided to leave and go to the centre of the village where we would be safe. My mother gave people white cloths to make flags and she also had a white flag and was at the front of the group… We walked a few steps and [another young relative] Yasmine said she saw soldiers in houses nearby. My mother turned her head to talk to the neighbours, telling them not to be afraid, and at that moment she was shot in the head, on the left side, and the bullet went through and out from the right side. She fell, and Yasmine tried to help her; she was also shot in the leg. Everybody ran back. Nobody could go to help my mother or to recover her body and she lay there on the road till the evening, when the soldiers left.

Amnesty International’s delegates examined the house where the soldiers who shot Rawhiya were reportedly stationed, and saw the hole made by the snipers in the wall of the house, which faced the spot where she was shot about 100m away. At least two human rights organizations, one Israeli and one Palestinian, submitted complaints in 2009 about the killing; in early 2012, the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem was informed that the criminal investigation had been closed and that no charges would be filed."
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/BB8473D094BDB49485257C91005359E4 (http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/BB8473D094BDB49485257C91005359E4)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 29, 2014, 09:49:32 AM
I know and I agree that both sides have committed some unbelievable atrocities. But the fact that one of the complaints was from an Israeli Human Rights group does suggest that there are significant factions within Israel, and that makes it as difficult to describe the Israelis as 'warmongering' as it does to describe the Arabs as savages.

And the aggressive expansionist policies of one Israeli faction doesn't help. But all too often this is what you get, when you're dealing with a conflict that goes back more than 4000 years.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on July 29, 2014, 10:31:01 AM
Don't get me wrong, I regard both sides in this conflict as being equally responsible for the present situation. However, my focus on the Israeli atrocities results from Mr Bebb being a 'Conservative Friend of Israel', rather than the Palestinians.

I find it reprehensible that the MP that represents me is a member of a Group that actively supports a country that is willing, to quote the example in the UN Report above, to shoot a mother waving a white flag in the head.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on July 29, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
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I find it reprehensible that the MP that represents me is a member of a Group that actively supports a country that is willing, to quote the example in the UN Report above, to shoot a mother waving a white flag in the head.

Well, ignoring the international symbol for Parley is technically a war crime but the real problem is that there are instances of terrorists misusing the white flag in order to escape or to covertly attack enemy forces. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that Islamic militants have disguised themselves as women to escape or attack.

Don't get me wrong.  There's no way whatsoever I'm condoning what happened, merely pointing out that the first casualty of war is always the truth. Sadly, it appears that the UK is no exception. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes#Falklands_War)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: born2run on July 29, 2014, 12:14:59 PM
This topic is local politics and whatever your views on the very tragic conflict the only thing we should be concentrating on is this MP and his actions. In my opinion they are wrong, he has no business there whatsoever.  However it's pretty clear why he is

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/nov/16/pro-israel-lobby-conservatives-channel4-dispatches (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/nov/16/pro-israel-lobby-conservatives-channel4-dispatches)

Disgraceful actions but not surprising for this government
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 06, 2014, 09:01:04 PM
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This topic is local politics and whatever your views on the very tragic conflict the only thing we should be concentrating on is this MP and his actions.

Can I dare to suggest that in the interests of absolute correctness, Guto Bebb MP should rate under NATIONAL POLITICS, so has no justifiable place in this thread whatsoever.
 WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Quiggs on August 06, 2014, 11:49:04 PM
He is our Local Politician.   &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 07, 2014, 12:21:52 AM
Hey Quiggsy.... long time no see!   :)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 07, 2014, 10:46:01 AM
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He is our Local Politician.   &shake&

Ditto to Fester.  How are you matey?

GB cannot be our local politician because he does nothing for us.   What was the last thing he did that was of benefit to the folk of Llandudno?  Stuck for an answer?   Point proved!   QED.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: bigbadhenry on August 07, 2014, 11:06:27 AM
Quote

GB cannot be our local politician because he does nothing for us.   What was the last thing he did that was of benefit to the folk of Llandudno?  Stuck for an answer?   Point proved!   QED.
 ZXZ

Could not agree more, he's a waste of space.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Quiggs on August 07, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
Regardless, he was elected to represent us in the name of Political Correctness, the fact that he's not doing that can be corrected next May.   $good$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on August 07, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
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Regardless, he was elected to represent us in the name of Political Correctness, the fact that he's not doing that can be corrected next May.   $good$

A very good point Quiggs,     trouble is,  who should we vote for?   Aren't they all as bad?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on August 20, 2014, 02:56:25 PM
Reading the Pioneer.......AM Janet Finch-Saunders, stepping on CCBC toes..."Deeply concerned" over "Financial disasters" and "Massive overspend"       and making major decisions away from the public eye,   she claims 2nd highest in Wales for keeping press and public out.     have we got a bit of a champion.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on August 20, 2014, 03:08:07 PM
Depends on how far it all goes back.  She was on CCBC for quite a time.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on August 20, 2014, 04:04:25 PM
Another nail so to speak......keep them coming......
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on August 20, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
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Depends on how far it all goes back.  She was on CCBC for quite a time.

I think you will find that JFS will jump on whatever band wagon is playing the most popular tune at the time!  Another one who fails to acknowledge correspondence!     :twoface:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on September 30, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
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I see that the Town Council' website is still woefully lacking in any useful information.

Like to read agendas or minutes of meetings? No chance!

Like to read how your money is raised and spent? No chance!

Like to be able to contact your Councillor by email in the 21st Century? No chance!

If anyone from the Town Council reads this, I beg you to take a look at this Town Council website:
http://www.ryetowncouncil.gov.uk/ (http://www.ryetowncouncil.gov.uk/)

It has every meeting agenda, copies of minutes, and details of how every penny is raised and spent - it's not difficult to do, so please DO IT!

Just wanted to bring this FOUR YEAR OLD post up to illustrate that the Llandudno Town Council website is still lacking the most basic of information mentioned above.  &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on September 30, 2014, 01:34:15 PM
I do believe that since Tessa Wildrmoth was appointed Town Clerk we now have another member added to the administration team.   As Minutes etc. have to be typed, it would not be difficult to cut and paste such items directly to the Web Site.  Or is that too sile a solution?
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on September 30, 2014, 02:45:12 PM
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I see that the Town Council' website is still woefully lacking in any useful information.

Like to read agendas or minutes of meetings? No chance!

Like to read how your money is raised and spent? No chance!

Like to be able to contact your Councillor by email in the 21st Century? No chance!

If anyone from the Town Council reads this, I beg you to take a look at this Town Council website:
http://www.ryetowncouncil.gov.uk/ (http://www.ryetowncouncil.gov.uk/)

It has every meeting agenda, copies of minutes, and details of how every penny is raised and spent - it's not difficult to do, so please DO IT!

Just wanted to bring this FOUR YEAR OLD post up to illustrate that the Llandudno Town Council website is still lacking the most basic of information mentioned above.  &shake&
Just checked Colwyn Bay council web, slightly better than Llandudno,.... and Conwy's similar to Llandudno.
Unfortunately your example (Rye) is down today.


Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on October 01, 2014, 02:10:53 PM
Conwy Council chiefs enter 'war of words' with Janet Finch-Saunders

Aberconwy AM Janet Finch-Saunders has called for cabinet member Cllr Mike Priestley and council leader Dilwyn Roberts to “consider their positions” over what she called “serial failures” and “ineptitude” at the council.
Ms Finch-Saunders said: “There is considerable concern over the way business is conducted by those leading this council. I would seriously be asking Cllr Dilwyn Roberts to consider his position, along with the responsible cabinet member, Cllr Michael Priestley.”

The AM complained about the additional costs at Porth Eirias, the debate over sea defences in Llandudno and repair work to Deganwy Promenade and the Conwy Morfa coastal path, poor corporate governance, “opaque” procurement processes and large overspends.

http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138877/conwy-council-chiefs-enter-war-of-words-with-janet-finch-saunders.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/138877/conwy-council-chiefs-enter-war-of-words-with-janet-finch-saunders.aspx)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on October 05, 2014, 10:51:21 AM
This is how useless politicians in the Ukraine get treated. Should this approach be introduced to the UK?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-29476740 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-29476740)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on October 05, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
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This is how useless politicians in the Ukraine get treated. Should this approach be introduced to the UK?

Bit heavy...but tempting    WWW     
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 05, 2014, 11:21:52 PM
Worth a try!  :twoface:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 18, 2014, 09:59:46 AM
Councillors in Conwy have voted to start talks re a merger with Denbighshire Council.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 18, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
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Councillors in Conwy have voted to start talks re a merger with Denbighshire Council.

And how much more they can pay themselves for added responsibility!    ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on November 18, 2014, 01:00:33 PM
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Councillors in Conwy have voted to start talks re a merger with Denbighshire Council.

A vote.... to start.... to talk.....,  so any REAL action is light years away then.

I'm surprised they didn't have a vote, to start to 'think' about it.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 19, 2014, 09:05:11 AM
Perhaps we could have a competition to decide a new name for the merged authority?

DENWY

CONWYSHIRE

WASTEOFBLOODYMONEY
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 19, 2014, 09:17:17 AM
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Perhaps we could have a competition to decide a new name for the merged authority?

DENWY

CONWYSHIRE

WASTEOFBLOODYMONEY

THREE COUNTIES F*** UP ................. _))*
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on November 19, 2014, 09:18:36 AM
There's...only...two...counties...merging...Yorkie.  ???  :laugh:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on November 19, 2014, 10:38:33 AM
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There's...only...two...counties...merging...Yorkie.  ???  :laugh:

You just watch 'em, they'll make three out of two very easily!   $walesflag$
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: alw on November 19, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
Since the River Clwyd runs down the middle of them they could call it Clwyd County Council.

I bet all the old notepaper etc still exists in a cupboard somewhere.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 17, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
I've heard that a local solicitor is intending to stand at the next general election for UKIP, his could have implications for Mr Bebb our current representative in Westminster loosing him valuable votes and letting Labour retake the seat of Aberconwy.
I'm not sure that I care but I'm sure those of a certain political colours will be up in arms if the intention becomes a real threat to the Conservatives.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
I think a lot of Tory MPs will be very worried come next May. UKIP will almost certainly hit their vote hard. Could it even be possible that UKIP could take Aberconwy?

I don't think many people will want to vote for Mr Bebb after his antics this year; I know I certainly won't be.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: born2run on December 17, 2014, 01:18:43 PM
 UKIP have zero chance of taking Aberconwy, I would also say the vast majority of voters don't even know who Bebb is. Whoever wins out of Labour and the Tories will be decided upon the actions and media focus of their leaders before the election.

Is Bebb even going to stand again?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Greyhound on December 17, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
I tend to agree with born2run. I don't think UKIP will take Aberconwy (they are projected to win no more than 5 seats nationally tops). I think that it's easy for us (locally engaged, writing on local matters) to overstate how little effect things like this incident with Bebb and Oscar influence voters. The man/woman on the street simply doesn't vote like that, they vote on national issues and often don't even know the name of local candidates.

By the time of the next election, all this Bebb business will have been getting on for a year ago and most voters tend to have very short memories unless something directly affects them. And those people who were directly affected by Oscar would be more likely those who would thank Mr. Bebb and were glad to see the back of him, than those who were positively affected by him being a force for good. The solicitor obviously being the major exception.   
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on December 17, 2014, 02:57:48 PM
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I think a lot of Tory MPs will be very worried come next May. UKIP will almost certainly hit their vote hard. Could it even be possible that UKIP could take Aberconwy?

I don't think many people will want to vote for Mr Bebb after his antics this year; I know I certainly won't be.

No, UKIP won't win many (if any) seats in Wales.... but by splitting the 'right of centre' vote, they will ensure that Labour win the vast majority.  Which is probably an even worse scenario.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Greyhound on December 17, 2014, 03:25:52 PM
Funnily enough, it's Wales where all the opinion polls show Conservative support holding up the best. They're only 1-2% down on 2010 in almost all Welsh opinion polls. UKIP seem to have gained most of their support from former LibDem or non-voters in Wales.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 17, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
UKIP may well not win a seat but will have the adverse effect of drawing votes away from Mr Bebb should the local solicitor stand as their candidate.
Seeing as some else mentioned the name Oscar it is worth noting that a few had complained about him over the years to Mr Bebb and he didn't do a thing to help until it came to him being outed as an MP who had received thousands of pounds from Israeli supporters, once this was public Oscar had no chance!
It is also worth noting that Bebb made and subsequently withdrew some serious allegations from the safety of Parliamentary privilege and never had the confidence in the story to repeat the same outside of parliament, resulting in the local conservative association now being at each others throats, he may well have won himself a few votes but by the same token he has lost as many if not more.
The all too familiar grubby world of politics that dirties many a previously good person's hands and mind.
 
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2014, 04:51:27 PM
I've never understood why anyone would want to get involved in politics, never appealed to me!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 17, 2014, 05:04:29 PM
Agree with you  DaveR .
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
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I've never understood why anyone would want to get involved in politics

I think the quick and simple answer is because that's where the power to change things lies. Most folk don't get involved, and prefer only to criticise, but I suspect one reason why politics is in the parlous state it's currently experiencing is because of the lack of involvement.

We tend to imagine that 'Government' is some sort of entity which exists in isolation from ordinary folk and whose main role is the removal of people's hard-earned cash through taxation. I've never really comprehended how national and international macro-economics functioned and was almost relieved when I discovered that I wasn't alone in 2008, when the world's economies played dominoes, but in democratic countries we do have the ultimate option. If we think that our government is taking too much taxation from us - the people - then we can become far more involved in politics than most currently are. It's precisely because most of us (and I include myself) don't want to donate large portions of our time to become active members of a political party and its subsequent selection processes that 'Government' can seem to be a remote, almost autonomous body.

Decent government depends on decent people getting involved for the long term. It needs good people who can ignore the pusillanimous, adolescent vitriol of the DFM and stand up for what they believe is right. Sadly, we're currently seeing the rise of the 'career politician', of which Messrs Osborne and Milliband are but two examples. We need more Mr Smiths going to London, rather than the current crop of finely honed, smooth talkers we now have.  But that's only going to happen if more 'ordinary' folk get involved.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: norman08 on December 17, 2014, 10:12:20 PM
I see that prat Bebb voted to keep the bedroom tax ,it's ok for them to claim on two houses and fiddle the expenses .
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 18, 2014, 08:29:18 AM
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I see that prat Bebb voted to keep the bedroom tax ,it's ok for them to claim on two houses and fiddle the expenses .

Are you sure he is a prat, claims on two houses, and that he fiddles his expenses?   Thought that sort of comment was more in Oscar's domain!

 Z**
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: born2run on December 18, 2014, 10:28:17 AM
I can confirm he is indeed a prat, the other two I don't know about  L0L
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 18, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
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I can confirm he is indeed a prat, the other two I don't know about  L0L

Well, i suppose that old adage holds true, "It takes one to know one!"   _))*

prat  (prăt)
n.
1. Slang The buttocks.
2. Chiefly British Slang A person who is incompetent and stupid.
[Origin unknown.]

 ZXZ
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: born2run on December 18, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
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I can confirm he is indeed a prat, the other two I don't know about  L0L

Well, i suppose that old adage holds true, "It takes one to know one!"   _))*

prat  (prăt)
n.
1. Slang The buttocks.
2. Chiefly British Slang A person who is incompetent and stupid.
[Origin unknown.]

 ZXZ

Are you calling me a prat!! I demand this be brought up in Parliment :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 18, 2014, 01:52:09 PM
So we can do the legal bit at the same time, I'll have a word, or a thousand, with David Jones MP.  But, of course, he may have to make a retraction at a later date.   WWW  WWW  WWW
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2014, 04:03:29 PM
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I see that prat Bebb voted to keep the bedroom tax ,it's ok for them to claim on two houses and fiddle the expenses .

Are you sure he is a prat, claims on two houses, and that he fiddles his expenses?   Thought that sort of comment was more in Oscar's domain!

 Z**
I'm sure there's a bit of mileage in Norman08's claim.  :twoface:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 18, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
"So we can do the legal bit at the same time, I'll have a word, or a thousand, with David Jones MP.  But, of course, he may have to make a retraction at a later date."

Are you saying that Jones has made improper claims or he has implied Bebb has?
I'm confused.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 19, 2014, 05:06:20 PM
It may be better to stay confused,  Z**
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 19, 2014, 06:40:30 PM
I'm surprised you made such an inflammatory comment and have been unable to substantiate your implication.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 19, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
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I'm surprised you made such an inflammatory comment and have been unable to substantiate your implication.

Please tell me what you find inflammatory about my comment, as I do not see anything that needs further substantiation.  Unless you are completely unaware of the statement by Bebb in the H of P which had to be withdrawn at a later date.

At the moment it is a bit of light hearted banter twixt two Members of the Forum, however if you wish to escalate the discussion into recent matters with Oscar, Bebb, Jones and others I will be pleased to assist you in your endeavours, Mr Tunnock.
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Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on December 20, 2014, 07:38:10 AM
"however if you wish to escalate the discussion into recent matters with Oscar, Bebb, Jones and others I will be pleased to assist you in your endeavours, Mr Tunnock."

If you can add anything not already in the public domain please do, I'm sure I'm not the only person, who is fascinated  to see  how this whole story has escalated into such a huge local conspiracy theory, aided by a few local characters well versed in such matters.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Yorkie on December 20, 2014, 01:19:04 PM
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If you can add anything not already in the public domain please do, I'm sure I'm not the only person, who is fascinated  to see  how this whole story has escalated into such a huge local conspiracy theory, aided by a few local characters well versed in such matters.

No doubt you profess to include yourself in the dramatis personae?  As  all I know is already in the Public Domain, I assume there is no requirement of me to add to your, probably, boundless knowledge of such matters.  End of discussion as far as I am concerned.
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Title: Council merger plans rejected by Leighton Andrews
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 27, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Council merger plans rejected by Leighton Andrews

Voluntary merger plans by six Welsh councils have been rejected by the public services minister.

The Williams Commission had called for the 22 councils to be cut by half.

Blaenau Gwent and Torfaen, Bridgend and the Vale of Glamorgan, and Conwy and Denbighshire had suggested pairing up in response to an appeal for voluntary mergers by Leighton Andrews.

However the minister said he was "not persuaded" that the councils had set out a "compelling vision" for merger.

In a statement on Tuesday, Mr Andrews said: "I am disappointed to report that on the basis of this assessment I am not persuaded that any one of these Expressions of Interest sufficiently meets the criteria for moving ahead to prepare a full Voluntary Merger Proposal."

He emphasised the need for councils' merger proposals to set out a "compelling vision" and provide assurances that the new authorities would "reduce complexity" and increase the "coherence" of public services.

Denbighshire council leader Hugh Evans said the authority was "astounded" by the announcement and felt the minister had "missed a real opportunity".

Vale of Glamorgan council leader Neil Moore said he was "deeply saddened" that the plan to merge with Bridgend had been rejected.

Conservative shadow local government minister Janet Finch-Saunders called the "astounding" development "another symptom of Labour's haphazard, uncertain approach to managing local government in Wales".

Plaid Cymru spokesman Rhodri Glyn Thomas said Mr Andrews "clearly has other plans" and called on him to "come clean with the assembly and tell us what exactly his plan is".

Liberal Democrat Peter Black said Labour seemed "hell bent on ignoring local democracy and ploughing ahead with their preferred combinations at all costs".

A bill paving the way for voluntary council mergers was published by Mr Andrews on Monday.
Is Williams dead?

Last year the Williams Commission recommended that the existing 22 councils should be reduced by around half through a series of mergers.

It was actually a small part of the report but inevitably it generated the most attention.

Since then the Welsh government has been urging council leaders to take control of their own destinies and look to merge with a neighbour.

This decision throws that strategy into doubt.

Leighton Andrews indicated last year that there are "well known" figures in Welsh Labour who want as few as six councils.

It would suggest the proposals were thrown out because the new authorities would not have been big enough.

Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on March 06, 2015, 08:40:33 AM
CCBC receives a lot of stick in here, much of it related to or because of the way in which they behave. The image the average person has of a CCBC councillor is not a pretty one, and their penchant for secrecy during meetings, combined with a total reluctance to engage with the voters ensures they're berated at every turn, whether it be for their apparent incompetence in failing to ensure any sort of business plan was prepared before they bid for and built Porth Eirias, the...interesting approach to the West Shore, their inaction with regard to Haulfre Gardens and Happy Valley or their own determination to ensure they claim every last penny in expenses and salaries.

The biggest problem, both for them and the voters, is fear: they're terrified of attempting to explain their thinking, terrified of facing the voters en masse and terrified, it would seem, of letting the people who pay their salaries and who elect them know what they're doing and - most importantly - why.

I've approached some of those I know personally to come onto the forum but they refuse in every case.  Now, I can comprehend why they fear forums: our own PC Mike Smith found that although he could deal with the forum through moderating his own topic in here, and because we generally behave in a reasonable way during debates, the existence of Oscar meant those who disliked what he was saying meant the trolls could win.

But that issue no longer exists. We would be prepared to offer any member of CCBC  their own topic, their own powers of moderation, and total anonymity. Obviously, we'd have to know who they were to prevent just anyone from trying it on, but they could use a screen name, so no one else would know and we'd guarantee their anonymity.  That way at least they could start to explain what they're doing and why they're doing it. And perhaps explain the thinking behind some of the apparently odd decisions that seem to have been taken.

So to the CCBC councillors who are already members of this forum in secret, we invite you to take a chance and take up this offer.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mr Tunnock on March 06, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
A good point Ian.
I am a little pessimistic to be honest, yesterday it is reported that fewer than half of the Welsh MPs paid for by us a fair wage to represent us failed to turn up to the St David's day debate at the house of commons.
Guto Bebb, the wife says was one of those who did not bother to attend, one subject of great local importance she says was discussed at length, that of the downgrading of the maternity unit at YGC.
What hope have we left if the MP can not be bothered to even turn up to his place of work of getting the council to engage with us?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Hugo on March 06, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
A very good point Mr T especially as there is a  £10,000.00 pay rise on the way to those MP's .      Hopefully  he won't get a seat in the coming election and gets voted out.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: norman08 on March 06, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
Good point ian ,but not one of them will take you up on the very good idea ,can anyone tell me one thing gutto Bebb has done for this area ,also stated this week he agrees with the health board with the downgrading at ygc ,also on the bbc news this morning the am,s are in line for £ 10,000 pay rise ,good to see they get their priorities right .
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on March 07, 2015, 07:01:35 AM
Back to our 12 county councillors who are  supposed to act with Llandudno in mind,have any of the 12 ever spoken about the town beach quarry,the Pier Pavillion,answer as we all know is NO and we all know they are a closed shop ,just like a secret society,what a way to treat your electrate but of course it safe guards their wages.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on March 07, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
Llandudno has always been looked upon as a cash cow to feed the rest of the County and as long as Conwy Council is controlled and run by a Small Inner unaccountable Cabinet, who are able to control the finances and rubber stamp all their own private decisions, the other Councillors of whatever political persuasion are rendered impotent. They are just there to make up the numbers and to give the appearance of local democracy.

Therefor I think it's totally wrong to blame Llandudno County Councillors for what has happened to the town; they couldn't stop or change anything, even if they tried. Put the blame where it belongs, fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the totally incompetent Inner Circle of the Conwy Cabinet.    :rage:
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: wrex on March 08, 2015, 09:28:35 AM
That is no reason whatsoever not to stand up for Llandudno and show US they are trying.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on March 08, 2015, 09:37:14 AM
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I think it's totally wrong to blame Llandudno County Councillors

D'you mean those Llandudno councillors on CCBC?

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they couldn't stop or change anything, even if they tried.

They could stand up and be counted. Too many, it seems to me, are afraid of putting their heads above the parapet.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: norman08 on March 08, 2015, 10:47:18 AM
we have seven Llandudno councillors on ccbc and one has been the leader and is now the deputy ,not one of them is speaking up on our behalf .
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Blongb on March 08, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
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I think it's totally wrong to blame Llandudno County Councillors

D'you mean those Llandudno councillors on CCBC?
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Yes; with the exception of a Landudno Cabinet member.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bosun on April 10, 2015, 05:57:11 PM
I have just answered the front door at home to a man who asked for me by name. I said 'Yes' and he handed me a Labour party leaflet and began the patter... as I was cooking, a bit obvious I was busy, I had a tea towel in my hand, I had no intention of getting into a discussion but did not want to appear rude so I said 'Thank you, but just at the moment, no thanks' and I indicated the towel to show that I was busy, to which he replied 'well who do you vote for then?'
I replied 'That's actually private' to whereupon he snatched the leaflet back, turned and walked down the drive without another word.

Rude, belligerent and pompous.

Mike Priestly, you were on the other side of the road - he's one of yours. Undermines all the work that you have done locally.

Guess which party I definitely won't be voting for.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on April 10, 2015, 06:35:43 PM
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I have just answered the front door at home to a man who asked for me by name. I said 'Yes' and he handed me a Labour party leaflet and began the patter... as I was cooking, a bit obvious I was busy, I had a tea towel in my hand, I had no intention of getting into a discussion but did not want to appear rude so I said 'Thank you, but just at the moment, no thanks' and I indicated the towel to show that I was busy, to which he replied 'well who do you vote for then?'
I replied 'That's actually private' to whereupon he snatched the leaflet back, turned and walked down the drive without another word.

Rude, belligerent and pompous.

Mike Priestly, you were on the other side of the road - he's one of yours. Undermines all the work that you have done locally.

Guess which party I definitely won't be voting for.


I hope other people stick to politics when they cast their vote and not some silly misunderstanding on the doorstep. This is possibly the most important election in history as it could potentially change the face of British politics forever.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 10, 2015, 09:46:39 PM
Not one of those prancing, pompous, self-important egotists deserves me to get off my backside and put a tick in their box.

I simply cannot endorse or support any of them.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2015, 08:49:04 AM
This is really more appropriate for National Politics but I agree with SDQ. This election is shaping up to be quite unlike any that has preceded it in my lifetime. Our absurd and essentially undemocratic system of 'First past the Post' has, for a long time, militated against genuine democratic representation. The truly obscene fact is that the two major parties are well aware of that, which is precisely why they 'hobbled' (or tried to hobble) the devolved nations with a form of PR; the voting system for both the WA and the Scottish Parliament was specifically designed to stop any one party from forming a majority.

Only the Lib Dems have consistently fought for PR and the lies and vicious rubbish that both the larger parties trotted out to sway the referendum their way in the early days of the coalition don't bear thinking about. But we might be seeing a change. As F suggests, the two main parties have lost the respect of the public in general. Tory MPs, in most cases, are utterly out of touch with most peoples' lives and their heartlands reflect that: the wealthy Home Counties and the South East, where even garden sheds require mortgages or the stockbroker belt of Wilmslow. Labour MPs, on the other hand, appear to have swung toward the left, started by the colossal error of electing the wrong brother, an unpleasant symptom of the Union block vote. 

I believe we need a change and we need to consider how that change should take place. Listening to their promises and evasions (not a lot new there, then) I find myself fatigued trying to work out exactly what they're promising. A good example is the NHS. The Tories have promised the £8bn that Simon Stevens claimed would be necessary for the NHS 'simply to stand still'. The LibDems have done the same and Labour hasn't - yet their shadow health spokesman this morning claimed the other parties were using 'fantasy money', while neatly declining to specify how much Labour would spend. But if there's one single, incontrovertible aspect of Government that every voter in the UK will need and does need, it's the NHS.

The NHS is the biggest employer in the UK, touches every aspect of everyone's life and yet is a political football, as well as being in hock to the insatiable appetite of 'Big Pharma', where the major drug companies have conspired time and time again to keep their prices high and extort the most they can from the NHS. A good example of that is Gaviscon.  In 2008 Newsnight identified the makers of Gaviscon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckitt_Benckiser#Gaviscon_anti-competitive_behaviour) as having attempted to delay the introduction of a generic and cheaper substitute thereby costing the NHS millions. Defended by many Tories, the company was later fined £10.2 million after they admitted it.

That's just one example, however, and one choice we have to make at the coming election is whether we want to live in a society governed by those who are themselves millionaires and who believe completely in the profit motive, or whether we want to live in a society that protects the weakest and most vulnerable and whose MPs are approachable, decent and honest.

I'm not at all sure if any one party can deliver that, because most MPs seem to be less than honourable from what we can tell, and once elected they seem to view Parliament - by and large - as a non-stop gravy train.

So this is a crucial election; it will determine life for us all for the next five years. There's a huge amount of goodwill in the UK and some amazing examples of community spirit. If we want those aspects to be encouraged and continue to thrive we have to use our votes carefully. Otherwise, I'm not sure we're not on the road towards a fragmented Union, where not only the Scots would have independence.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 11, 2015, 09:35:47 AM
General Election Candidates for Aberconwy:

Victor Babu Liberal Democrats
Guto Bebb Conservative Party
Petra Haig Green Party
Andrew Haigh UK Independence Party (UKIP)
Dafydd Meurig Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales
Mary Wimbury Labour Party
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bosun on April 11, 2015, 04:11:12 PM
SDQ, my post was a tongue in cheek observation of the idiocy and pompousness of a canvasser, who when trying to suggest or persuade a course of action desirable to their party alienates the voter against them, irrespective of the merits of that party and I am certain that some people certainly do make their voting decision based on such a triviality, just as some will vote based on the like or dislike of the candidates tie.

Ian's erudite post cannot be faulted; a serious, thoughtful and well written post that should make people think and stimulate debate.

I have met numerous minor and senior politicians in my time and have only felt a few to have been sincere, John Major and Tony Benn spring to mind, but the majority have struck me as purely self-serving wholly in the manner described by Fester and so well portrayed as Alan B'stard.

Sadly, I feel that many people will, for good reason, empathise with Fester's feelings and I for one cannot blame them.     
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 15, 2015, 05:42:03 PM
I read this news article with a lack of any surprise. Mr Bebb is unworthy of being our MP, in my view. &shake&


A Conservative politician seeking re-election has been accused by the chairman of his local party of playing "mind games" and told he no longer has his support.

Guto Bebb was elected in Aberconwy in 2010, but in an e-mail is told by Garry Burchett he has "spent the last 18 months making excuses for you".

Mr Bebb called Mr Burchett an "idiot" and "a disgrace" in response.

The e-mails were leaked to the Golwg360 website and seen by BBC Wales.

The exchange started with an email in which Mr Bebb queried the lack of involvement in the election campaign by Mr Burchett, a former mayor of Llandudno.

Mr Burchett replied on Monday, saying: "I have spent the last 18 months making excuses for you not using the Welsh Conservative brand.

"Making excuses why you do not live in the constituency. Making excuses why you do not support your Assembly Member.

"In a nutshell. You have used the Conservative brand and the Aberconwy Conservative Association as a means to an end. You have only ever had one party in your heart. The 'Guto Bebb Party.'"

Mr Burchett added: "You most certainly DO NOT have my support as Chairman."

Mr Bebb responded by saying: "What an idiot you are. We pay (Conservative adviser) Lynton Crosby a million per year for advice.
"His advice to me was clear - sell yourself not the party. Do you know better? You are a disgrace."
Mr Burchett, Mr Bebb and the Welsh Conservatives have all declined to comment.

A full list of the candidates standing in Aberconwy can be found here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32321696 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32321696)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Ian on April 15, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
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Mr Bebb responded by saying: "What an idiot you are. We pay (Conservative adviser) Lynton Crosby a million per year for advice. His advice to me was clear - sell yourself not the party."

Interesting.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 15, 2015, 07:20:39 PM
Luckily we are not in the same constituency, we had David Jones mp and his wife going round our area last week, seems very pleasant! No other candidates have bothered to call so far!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Fester on April 15, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
They all SEEM very pleasant.... but they earn vast sums of money to SEEM pleasant, and achieve nothing.

The emergence of this email exchange just sums up how much time they spend bickering with each other, even within the same party!    Yet they still manage to wander around, SEEMING pleasant.    &shake& &shake&
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 15, 2015, 09:46:16 PM
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Luckily we are not in the same constituency, we had David Jones mp and his wife going round our area last week, seems very pleasant! No other candidates have bothered to call so far!

Are these politicians allowed to knock on doors in a No Calling Zone?
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Jack on April 15, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
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Luckily we are not in the same constituency, we had David Jones mp and his wife going round our area last week, seems very pleasant! No other candidates have bothered to call so far!

Are these politicians allowed to knock on doors in a No Calling Zone?

Yes!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SDQ on April 15, 2015, 11:37:11 PM
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Luckily we are not in the same constituency, we had David Jones mp and his wife going round our area last week, seems very pleasant! No other candidates have bothered to call so far!


I had a stroke of luck. I was at work when he called at my house.
He left me some recycling materials though!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 16, 2015, 07:08:28 AM
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Are these politicians allowed to knock on doors in a No Calling Zone?
Yes!

Thanks, Jack.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bosun on April 16, 2015, 12:23:47 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32321696 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32321696)

I suspect that this, together with the allegations he made and was forced to withdraw over the 'Thoughts of Oscar' debacle make Guto's position somewhat tenuous.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Mikethewatch on April 16, 2015, 12:39:17 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32321696 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32321696)

I suspect that this, together with the allegations he made and was forced to withdraw over the 'Thoughts of Oscar' debacle make Guto's position somewhat tenuous.

Not to mention his visit to Israel....
Title: Guto Bubb has problems
Post by: alw on April 16, 2015, 02:45:16 PM
Guto Bebb is involved in a  bitter internal row with Aberconwy Conservative Association chairman, Gary Burchett, who no longer supports the M.P., just 3 weeks before the election.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/aberconwy-tory-candidate-guto-bebb-9053591 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/aberconwy-tory-candidate-guto-bebb-9053591)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Minime on April 17, 2015, 03:22:18 AM
Ive been in the area (cb) for 18 months and am not familiar with any local councillor so my vote is pretty much open.  Can anyone point me in the direction of who is standing for election in my area please? Rhiw ward.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 17, 2015, 08:40:04 AM
Here are the candidates for Clwyd West (which covers the Rhiw Ward in Colwyn Bay):

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/clwydwest/ (http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/clwydwest/)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: DaveR on April 17, 2015, 12:57:43 PM
I imagine local Tories must be cringing at this. I'm amazed they couldn't come up with a better candidate, given that they obviously don't think much of Mr Bebb.

Conservative candidate row 'embarrassing'
16 April 2015

A row between a Conservative candidate and his chairman is "a little bit embarrassing", Welsh Secretary Stephen Crabb has admitted. Guto Bebb, seeking re-election in Aberconwy, referred to Gary Burchett as an "idiot" after he told Mr Bebb he no longer had his backing. Mr Crabb told BBC Radio Wales political parties were like families which had "tiffs and rows". But he insisted Mr Bebb was a "great candidate" with "huge" support.

The row broke out when Mr Bebb sent an email questioning Mr Burchett's lack of involvement in his campaign for re-election. Mr Burchett, a former mayor of Llandudno, replied by suggesting Mr Bebb had been promoting himself more than the party, saying he had "spent the last 18 months making excuses for you not using the Welsh Conservative brand". Asked about the row by presenter Jason Mohammad, Mr Crabb said: "Like every family you don't want your arguments in public and disagreements. "It's a little bit embarrassing, but people on the doorsteps are much more interested in the big issues."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32323554 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-wales-32323554)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: SteveH on May 23, 2015, 05:31:01 PM
Welsh council mergers could take authorities to brink of bankruptcy, warns AM

Speaking during a Senedd debate last week on the general principles of the Local Government (Wales) Bill, which will pave the way for the merger of local authorities in Wales, she said: “Many fear that, given the financial challenges and continued cuts to public services, authorities may be on the verge of bankruptcy at the initial cost of merger.”
MORE...http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-council-mergers-could-take-9316685 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-council-mergers-could-take-9316685)
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bosun on February 11, 2017, 11:49:51 AM
Some discussion took place yesterday evening, at a gathering for the consumption of libation, on a fascinating question:

'Which is the worst organisation - CCBC or the Labour Party?'

It's a difficult but fascinating question. We didn't come up with a definitive answer, I don't think there is one, but the discussion was brilliant.
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: OrmeMac on February 11, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
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'Which is the worst organisation - CCBC or the Labour Party?'

Well one has piers and the other has peers!
Title: Re: Local Politics
Post by: Bosun on February 11, 2017, 05:55:47 PM
Both are antiquated, dilapidated, out of date, and of doubtful value to retain, legacies of a bygone age.