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The Local => Covid-19 => Topic started by: Dave on March 25, 2020, 01:50:20 pm
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We are trying our best to minimise our need to go and restock with food, in fact our only experience since last week was me popping out for bread and milk on Monday morning. As supplies were limited to one item when it came to milk and I was shopping for some "at risk" neighbours too I ended up going to two shops.
My experience was as follows
Mid morning Co-op Penrhyn Bay was quiet, well supplied and customers queued in a very orderly fashion keeping 2m apart. A positive experience
Co-op Craig-y-Don doesn't lend itself to orderly queuing and there was no attempt to do so. Two people I suggested kept their distance looked at me as if I was an alien. Both were in the pensioner bracket, one must have been at least mid 70's. A bad experience and a shop I'll now avoid.
If others can share their shopping experiences , recommend well organised shops, or warn against others, it might help all of us self distance more easily at a time when we will all need to go out sooner or later.
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Good idea, Dave.
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Rumour has it, this morning at Asda supposedly, 8 till 9 for NHS and elderly, went completely haywire, they opened the doors to 200 people, in one go, no advice on distance etc, one elderly lady left empty handed she was so scared by the rush of bodies, when someone complained to the manager he shrugged his shoulders, he has been reported to various bodies, now on the other hand apparently at 10am all was civilised, as I said this is social media chat.
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My Brother in Law went to Tesco this afternoon & was very impressed with how they are coping. Only about 25 in the store at any one time, then a one in one out basis. Queueing outside was orderly & respectful. Plenty on the shelves even toilet rolls.
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Hope this is allowed as I'm not sure if it is classed as advertising. A friend called today to tell me she had had a box of fruit & veg delivered & it's all excellent quality, but had had to wait for 4 days. I had been trying all weekend to place an order with no luck but as they had been overwhelmed, they had to suspend new orders for a while. They have started taking orders again this afternoon so if anyone wants a box delivered it M Hughes & Sons, Llandudno.
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That's good to know, Meleri. Information like that is important for all the communities locally.
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Full list of Dedicated shopping hours for NHS, elderly and vulnerable at UK supermarkets.
Supermarket chains have launched dedicated shopping hours for the NHS, plus elderly and vulnerable customers to buy the essentials they need during the coronavirus crisis.
Here's a round-up of what supermarkets are doing to help:
ASDA
Opening hours for all customers: Asda have temporarily reduced the normal opening hours of most stores to 8am to 8pm from Monday to Saturday to ensure staff can clean and fully re-stock our shelves ready for customers.
NHS workers: Asda are prioritising NHS workers in larger stores every Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 8am to 9am.
TESCO
Elderly and vulnerable people: All Tesco stores (except Express stores) will be prioritising the elderly and most vulnerable for one hour between 9am and 10am every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
NHS workers: Tesco has introduced a special hour in their large stores for NHS workers one hour before the usual store opening time every Sunday, and will be able to browse the store and select their shopping before the checkouts open. All Tesco ask is that they bring a form of ID with them to store, such as an NHS staff card.
SAINSBURY'S
Opening hours for all customers: On Monday, March 23, Sainsbury's changed the opening hours of all their supermarkets to 8am until 8pm from Monday to Saturday. With the exception of some stores in Scotland, Sunday opening hours will stay the same. Sainsbury’s Local and petrol station hours will stay the same.
Elderly and vulnerable people: Every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, all Sainsbury's supermarkets will dedicate 8am until 9am to serving elderly customers, disabled customers and carers.
NHS workers: NHS and social care workers will be able to shop in Sainsbury's supermarkets for half an hour before they open, from Monday to Saturday. Anyone with NHS ID will be able to shop from 7.30am until 8.00am on these days.
MORRISONS
NHS workers: Morrisons have an NHS hour at all their stores every day - taking place Monday to Saturday from 7am to 8am.
ALDI
Opening hours for all customers: From Monday to Saturday, the German supermarket chain will be open between 8am and 8pm. Sunday opening hours remain the same - 10am to 4pm (or 6pm in Scotland).
LIDL
Elderly and vulnerable people: The supermarket is opening an hour earlier than usual in order to let elderly customers do their shopping.
ICELAND
Elderly and vulnerable people: Iceland will open its supermarkets early for elderly customers to visit before stores open to the public. Each day, elderly shoppers can now visit between 8am - 9am to get their shopping first.
NHS workers: The final hour of trading Monday to Saturday will also be for NHS staff only.
M&S
NHS and emergency service workers: M&S announced it will give the first hour of every Tuesday and Friday morning to NHS and emergency service workers.
WAITROSE
Elderly and vulnerable people: Waitrose have a prioritised and dedicated shopping hour every day. This is the first opening hour of the shop.
CO-OP
NHS workers plus elderly and vulnerable people: All Co-op stores have a dedicated shopping hour for our vulnerable customers, those that care for them and NHS workers.
This takes place from 8am to 9am Monday to Saturday and from 10am to 11am on Sundays in all Co-op stores. ref Pioneer
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Hope this is allowed as I'm not sure if it is classed as advertising. A friend called today to tell me she had had a box of fruit & veg delivered & it's all excellent quality, but had had to wait for 4 days. I had been trying all weekend to place an order with no luck but as they had been overwhelmed, they had to suspend new orders for a while. They have started taking orders again this afternoon so if anyone wants a box delivered it M Hughes & Sons, Llandudno.
That's a good family business Meleri ;)
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Boots, B&M, Wilko, Home Bargains and every other shop still open during the coronavirus lockdown
It's not just the likes of Tesco, Asda and Aldi that are exempt from the Government ban - the full list of stores that will remain open during the lockdown might surprise you
List of businesses classed as "essential" and therefore are allowed to stay open may be longer than you first thought.
These include: food retailers, pharmacies, hardware stores, corner shops, petrol stations, shops in hospitalsl, post offices, banks, newsagents, laundrettes and pet shops.
So you should be able to get everything you need over the coming months, although it is important to note that shopping trips should be as infrequent as possible and should only be done by a single member of a household.
And with this in mind, here are all the shops open in North Wales at the moment. cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/boots-bm-wilko-home-bargains-17979573 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/boots-bm-wilko-home-bargains-17979573)
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it is important to note that shopping trips should be as infrequent as possible and should only be done by a single member of a household.
and it shouldn't be seen as an excuse to leave the house on a regular basis either! Some folk just don't get it.
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Strange home delivery, there I was sitting in the garden enjoying the sun, a bit of squawking above, and this (below) landed at my feet, so even the wildlife have got in on the volunteer delivery service, bit worried about the gravy coming.
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Love it! Aunt Bessie has to be told to clear off is she drops in later though.
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We are finding it increasingly difficult to get food deliveries, which brings up the question of who is considered "Vulnerable" I tried a couple of shops yesterday, advising them that we were Vulnerable, and told they had no slots, and to find volunteers to help, so how do you register as "Vulnerable" simpler in England, fill an online form, but here https://gov.wales/get-coronavirus-support-extremely-vulnerable-person we are told People who are extremely vulnerable to coronavirus due to an existing health condition will receive a letter from Wales’ Chief Medical Officer., but that depends if you are on the vulnerable list, and as yet no letter.
A couple of todays stories
10:26am
Asda to help highly vulnerable 'get what they need'
Asda said it will be using the Government's data on people vulnerable to coronavirus to help them get the supplies they need.
A spokesman said the supermarket is "working with Government and some of our fellow supermarkets to ensure those people who have been identified as highly vulnerable get what they need and are protected from Covid-19".
He added: "We have a dedicated team who will work with Government on the available data to support as many extremely vulnerable people as we can - whilst also continuing to ensure our stores are stocked and our deliveries are moving for millions of customers nationwide.
A leading charity says it is "vital" that older people in Wales are able to sign up for the priority food delivery services with supermarkets.
Age Cymru said many older people had reported waiting for up to three weeks for a delivery while others simply could not register.
"Systems must be put in place to enable the supermarkets to verify who exactly needs to be given priority in Wales," said chief executive Victoria Lloyd.
“We'll be urging the appropriate authorities to work with the retail sector to make sure vulnerable people are not worried about how they will feed themselves over the coming weeks.”
8:46am
'Healthy people' should be using stores, not online slots - Iceland boss
The managing director of Iceland supermarket said "healthy people" should be using stores to free up delivery slots for the elderly and the vulnerable.
Richard Walker told BBC's Today programme: "I'd actually urge the opposite of the Prime Minister, in that if you are healthy, not in a vulnerable category and adhere to social distancing guidelines, please do shop in store, but make sure you shop responsibly."
He added: "That will enhance priority online for those who need it most."
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With all the goodwill going on around us now, unfortunately we still have the scum amongst us
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conman-offered-go-shopping-self-17986718 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conman-offered-go-shopping-self-17986718)
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In conjunction with my earlier post today, I remember reading this headline... Tesco imposes 80-item limit for online shoppers .. did not think much about it, until now, reading it again, no wonder we are in trouble, 80 items, I counted an old receipt of ours after a fairly hefty shop, 53 items, so I think that a limit of 80 is absolutely XXXXXXX ridiculous.......... is it just me ?
11:12am
Tesco imposes 80-item limit for online shoppers
Tesco has limited its online shoppers to a maximum of 80 items per order.
A spokesman for the supermarket said: "We know that it's difficult to get a delivery slot for online shopping at the moment due to high demand, and we ask those who are able to safely come to stores to do so, instead of shopping online, so that we can start to free up more slots for the more vulnerable.
"We're looking at every opportunity to increase the number of slots available and by introducing a limit of 80 items per online order we'll be able to get more orders on to each van, helping us to ensure all customers can get the essentials they need." ref Pioneer
Supermarkets in Conwy county will not have to abide by Sunday trading laws during the coronavirus crisis.
Conwy County Borough Council leader Cllr Sam Rowlands said they won't be enforcing the normal Sunday rules - which restrict large stores to only open for a six hour period between the hours of 10am and 6pm.
Currently some supermarkets are allowing doctors, nurses and all other essential workers into their stores to shop from 9am on a Sunday, before they open to the public at 10am. ref DP
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We are finding it increasingly difficult to get food deliveries, which brings up the question of who is considered "Vulnerable" I tried a couple of shops yesterday, advising them that we were Vulnerable, and told they had no slots, and to find volunteers to help, so how do you register as "Vulnerable" simpler in England, fill an online form, but here https://gov.wales/get-coronavirus-support-extremely-vulnerable-person (https://gov.wales/get-coronavirus-support-extremely-vulnerable-person) we are told People who are extremely vulnerable to coronavirus due to an existing health condition will receive a letter from Wales’ Chief Medical Officer., but that depends if you are on the vulnerable list, and as yet no letter.
This needs sorted quickly, as above, we are already finding difficulties.
Coronavirus: England-only priority online shopping 'ridiculous'
People forced to self-isolate have expressed frustration at not being included in a programme to help prioritise food deliveries for those unable to leave the house.
Supermarkets have access to a UK government database of 1.5m vulnerable shoppers in England.
Philip Pearce from Bridgend said he was vulnerable and it was "ridiculous" he could not sign up.
The Welsh Government said it was urgently working to resolve the issue.
Mr Pearce said: "I tried to shop at Sainsbury's this morning and because I am classified as vulnerable, I thought I'd be able to register quite easily.
"I went onto the UK government's web page but found I couldn't sign up because I live in Wales.
full story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52063785 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52063785)
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Any local shopping experiences to share?
One of us will have to venture to buy some food next week having not been for 10 days now so best experiences including store , day and time would be appreciated to help us decide which one to choose.
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My sister went to one of the golden oldie shopping hours between 9-10am at Tesco Llandudno Junction this week, they are Monday, Wednesday & Friday. Priority is given to the elderly so if there are younger people they have to wait until 10am, so she only had a 5 minute wait. They are working on a one out one in basis & only have 20 customers in the store at any one time. You do have to queue outside at 2 metre intervals. There are sanitizers & paper towels to wipe the baskets. You are asked keep a 2 metre distance in store, so you have to wait if another person is picking something you want. At the checkout there is a cross by the till you have to stand on until the checkout operator gives you instructions. They now have screens between the customer & operator. In all, my sister found it very well organised & everyone behaved as they should.
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We go to Aldi once a week ( what we forget we do without !)and found our experience very good. We waited about 5 mins outside. A young man counted us in and it is a one way system with no turning back. The staff were all as normal, polite and cheery. Most customers were quite amenable apart from one old lady with a trolley and a shopping bag on wheels who kept blocking the aisle like a wagon train and holding up the system. She very nearly ended up with my walking stick making contact with her behind . There's always one !
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There was a lot in the press last week, on this subject, "the scandal of food wasted due to panic buying"
This morning 8:43am pioneer
Busiest month on record for supermarkets
March was the busiest month on record for supermarkets across Britain as shoppers rushed to stock up on vital supplies to see them through the coronavirus pandemic.
Grocery sales rose by a staggering 20.6% in the last four weeks, and 7.6% in the last 12, according to new data from Kantar, beating even Christmas shopping.
Fraser McKevitt, head of retail and consumer insight at Kantar, said: "Retailers and their staff have been on the front line as households prepare for an extended stay at home, with grocery sales amounting to £10.8 billion during the past four weeks alone - that's even higher than levels seen at Christmas, the busiest time of year under normal circumstances."
Millions of pounds worth of panic buying food heading in the bin
As people overstock, bins are overflowing
As people prepare to self-isolate to help prevent the spread of Covid-19, many are afraid that they will run out of everyday essentials.
But as people flock to the shops to fill their cupboards, is this doing more harm than good?
BusinessWaste.co.uk, a national waste collection company, warns that panic buying will result in more food being thrown away as people are buying far more than they need.[/b]
https://www.businesswaste.co.uk/millions-of-pounds-worth-of-panic-buying-food-heading-in-the-bin/ (https://www.businesswaste.co.uk/millions-of-pounds-worth-of-panic-buying-food-heading-in-the-bin/)
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Maybe it ought to be made a crime to throw away significant quantities of food at this time. It's certainly criminal, the way some have behaved. But...the supermarkets could have acted earlier to prevent this.
Why is it that no one in the UK in government or industry seems to be able to think ahead?
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There are 6 healthy neighbours with four cars living in a house nearby who go out daily. A few days ago four of them went out & returned with a large quantity of beer/lager. They had a large delivery from Tesco the following day & the delivery chap had to hammer on the door & they finally took the items in off the step in their dressing gowns, just after lunch time. You could say it's none of my business & normally it wouldn't bother me, but when there are housebound people not able to get a Tesco delivery slot, this really makes me very angry &shake&
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Maybe it ought to be made a crime to throw away significant quantities of food at this time. It's certainly criminal, the way some have behaved. But...the supermarkets could have acted earlier to prevent this.
Why is it that no one in the UK in government or industry seems to be able to think ahead?
Agreed.....These are the photos from a Coventry newspaper last week, some saying a disgrace, others saying left by foreign students who had to leave their accommodations in a hurry, to get back to their own countries ? my cynical mind is working overtime.
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This is serious, these drivers are working around the clock, to keep the country fed.
Delivery drivers say they are being denied access to toilets at some service stations and petrol garages over coronavirus fears.
Cross Transport, which delivers to supermarkets, said drivers were being told to stay in their cabs when they arrive at distribution centres.
"We'll end up not getting deliveries done because drivers won't stand for it," manager Karl Starkey said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-52103571 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-52103571)
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Did our shopping in Aldi today and I have to say it was very civilised, in fact I'd go as far to say as it's the best food shopping experience in a long time. Waited just a few minutes to enter the store, no pressure from behind to go faster. Most things in stock, got all I wanted and needed to last the coming week ( except the one thing I walked past and couldn't then return to pick up) so I'm happy.
Popped in to Wilko next door and at long last bought a bottle of hand sanitiser too. The limit is 2 per person but 1 was sufficient for now.
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Supermarket worker's powerful message to store 'browsers' putting staff 'at risk' during lockdown
Stores have been inundated with stockpilers who are panic buying as the UK spends a second week in lockdown
"We are in a STATE OF EMERGENCY. This is NOT A VACATION! Every customer who walks in our doors PUTS US AT RISK. We really don't want to be here, but we realize that we are needed.
"YOU don't see how many times a day we wash and sanitize our hands to try to keep ourselves safe. YOU don't see our upset co-workers in the break room struggling to keep their composure. YOU don't see our spouses who worry about us every minute we are at work and who are our strength when we get home.
"We have our jobs to do and we realize the IMPORTANCE OF OUR JOB TO YOU. The LEAST you can do is come in with a sense of purpose, get what you need, and get yourselves HOME ... IN AND OUT.
Full story https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/supermarket-workers-powerful-message-store-18025546 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/supermarket-workers-powerful-message-store-18025546)
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Yet unbelievably, thee are still some around who believe this is a conspiracy by the government. I'm part of a small team answering questions on the Which? website and some of the posts are truly bizarre:
Xxx says
The government are lying to us, it is obvious there is no covid19 epidemic.
While this level of paranoia and ignorance persists, what chance do we have of keeping everyone safe?
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Tesco tells people to visit stores to get food
Tesco says most food will still need to be purchased in-store amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The supermarket giant says it isn't able to meet demand as more shoppers stay at home, despite the fact it has increased its online grocery shopping capacity by more than 20%.
It said in the first weeks of the virus, there was "significant panic buying", with sales up almost a third.
Tesco said that had now subsided with food stocks "returning to normal".
"Between 85% and 90% of all food bought will require a visit to a store and here significant changes to the store environment have been implemented to maximise safety for colleagues and customers," the retailer said. ref BBC
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Julie James AM's press conference this afternoon.........Supermarket delivery issues
"Supermarkets have all received shielded letters and we've had extensive conversations reiterating that where possible shielded (vulnerable) people can have delivery slots prioritised.
"Food boxes are being delivered directly to people, that system is not yet fully rolled out but will be very quickly.
"The numbers of vulnerable people are very unlikely to get their delivery slot of their choice. Where possible people should have others going to the supermarket for them.
"We have to understand the scale of this (88,000 vulnerable people across Wales)."
The issue of "Vulnerable people" in Wales is beginning to cause a lot of confusion, there appears to be a large number, who have not received the governments "shielded letter" for "high risk", despite meeting the criteria, myself and a few acquaintances, I have written to the local MP and local council, for advice and information, this is more important , than food delivery priorities, We need to know that the various government and medical departments are aware of us, if the situation warrants it.
On the government web site, it says if you have not received your letter by the 6th Apr. contact your GP, ......they can do nothing.
There are two letters in circulation at the moment, a general government advice letter, with leaflets, and the important "Shielded letter"
I would be interested to know if there are others locally, in the same situation, or who have received theirs on the forum or by PM. Steve
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Weekly shop done at Aldi, the guy that controls the queue deserves a mention, brilliantly organised. Lot more people there today. It's a holiday weekend but for most that doesn't make a difference, maybe more folk have heard that it's a better shopping experience there than in other stores. Shame the bloke behind me a) told me he's been to Tesco's on Monday...why back here already where he's never shopped before apparently, didn't make sense b) then he couldn't get the hang of social distancing and just couldn't stop encroaching my space which wouldn't get him out of the store any quicker but some folk just don't get it.
Oh well, I won't be back for a week anyway.
Hopefully I'm still virus free.
Keep safe everyone .... and keep your distance!!
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Thanks for the tip Dave, Mrs H went out early today for some essential shopping and said that the queues at Morrisons and Tescos were horrendous so she turned around and went to the small Asda in Llandudno Junction instead but still was unable to get the item she wanted.
It may be the Bank Holiday this weekend but no one is going anywhere or at least shouldn't be going anywhere so why the panic?
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Welsh Government has today implemented legislation which temporarily removes the carrier bag levy for home deliveries and click and collect orders of groceries during the coronavirus crisis.
It comes as grocery retailers have seen a surge in demand for online orders over recent weeks.
The legislation sees the bag levy temporarily removed for three months. ref DP
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B&Q reopens its stores online - how to shop there during UK lockdown
B&Q closed all of its outlets last month in order to work out how to operate during the lockdown.
The government had previously designated hardware stores as “essential” to the economy.
Now - the company has reopened its stores, and has a new way of serving customers.
Here's everything you need to know. https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18376133.b-q-reopens-stores-online---shop-uk-lockdown/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18376133.b-q-reopens-stores-online---shop-uk-lockdown/)
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Personally we take deliveries through the garage, and clean and wash or discard packaging, and put straight into the recycling bins, the bins have a "Thank you" and a "disinfected" sign on them.
Clean your shopping? ref BBC
One question which seems to be getting asked is if you need to clean your food shopping when you get home.
Dr David Bailey, chairman of BMA’s Welsh Council, said there was no definite answer.
"The main thing you should always remember is when you bring your food in, get all of the wrapping and packing that you can possibly off, bin that and wash your hands very, very thoroughly before you do anything else," he said.
"Fruit and fresh produce generally you should try and wash at least in water and the containers you can't discard, ideally you should clean with alcohol wipes."
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Morrisons joins Aldi with new 'quieter' opening times
The retailer, which has introduced social distancing measures outside all of its stores, said branches will be open for longer from today to reduce wait times and make way for "quieter shopping times".
Branches will open at 7am Monday to Saturday - and will close at 8pm each night.
On Sundays, stores will open at 9:30am and close at 4pm.
cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18377652.morrisons-joins-aldi-new-quieter-opening-times/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18377652.morrisons-joins-aldi-new-quieter-opening-times/)
Next bosses say they will begin selling online again today after putting extra safety measures in place to ensure warehouse staff can work safely.
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18377614.next-begins-selling-online/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18377614.next-begins-selling-online/)
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Seems very sensible..........
new policies to protect people from the spread of coronavirus.
It will mean shoppers will be forbidden from picking up items that they don't intend to buy.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/asda-aldi-shopping-what-you-18122805 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/asda-aldi-shopping-what-you-18122805)
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Not before time. The habits of some people sqeezing food before throwing it back have always been unpleasant, to say the least.
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Not before time. The habits of some people sqeezing food before throwing it back have always been unpleasant, to say the least.
If the item is obviously damaged then you should be able to reject it. Eggs for example, you should always open the box because they are often broken inside.
To be honest though, making rules is one thing, people sticking to them is another.
My last weeks shopping at Aldi had one person ignoring the instructions and trying to walk past everyone until I told him to back off, and was backed up by the person ahead of me too. His excuse was he'd finished his shopping and didn't see why he had to wait for everyone else . We were at the top of the first isle at the time!!!!!!
Home Bargains... nice spaced queue outside but inside a free for all although in fairness the store was almost empty which really should mean no need to enter anyone else space. They did though.
Penrhyn Bay Co-op this morning and a woman just walked past me saying she was in a hurry? Why anyone is really in a hurry to return to lockdown I don't know especially as when she got to the queue to pay she held everyone up by not being ready. Another woman just brushed past me in the check out queue and went around to shop the next isle against the marked flow .
Does this all sound familiar? Of course it does, it's happened to us all no doubt and unfortunately if people can't respect the rules now it's no wonder there is a reluctance to ease the lockdown yet.
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Not before time. The habits of some people sqeezing food before throwing it back have always been unpleasant, to say the least.
The woman in front of me in Aldi this morning picked up at least 1/2 doz iceberg lettuces before she chose one, there was a shocking 'trolley jam' building up whilst this was going on. Didn't need one, but wouldn't have fancied one anyway !
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The woman in front of me in Aldi this morning picked up at least 1/2 doz iceberg lettuces before she chose one,
They might have some flavour now!
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When I shop, like many others it’s for the week, so I require to know the use by date prior to purchase and can only find out by picking up and sometimes searching through the shelf. &shake&
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The woman in front of me in Aldi this morning picked up at least 1/2 doz iceberg lettuces before she chose one,
Surprised how long it takes me to do my shopping with the no passing rule.
Seems some shoppers have to inspect almost every item on the shelves.
Reckon it takes me 3 times as long as normal. Shopping $cofffee$ getting to be a day out now !!!!
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The woman in front of me in Aldi this morning picked up at least 1/2 doz iceberg lettuces before she chose one,
Surprised how long it takes me to do my shopping with the no passing rule.
Seems some shoppers have to inspect almost every item on the shelves.
Reckon it takes me 3 times as long as normal. Shopping $cofffee$ getting to be a day out now !!!!
Makes a change from being in lockdown at home though!
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People have long memories......................... &shake&
North Wales Spar defends selling hand sanitiser at nearly £13 a bottle as its 'cheaper than Amazon'
The Rhos-on-Sea store said it was 'just meeting a supply and demand'
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/north-wales-spar-defends-selling-18132837 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/north-wales-spar-defends-selling-18132837)
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My local chemist is selling hand sanitiser at a price of £3.99 for 50ml.
Compared to Spar that works out at £39.90 for 500ml.
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New guidelines on what retaillers can and cannot do when they reopen have been published by the British Retail Consortium (BRC).
One measure means that shoppers may be unable to try on clothes when stores reopen.
The advice is one of several precautionary recommendations published by the retail lobby group, ahead of lockdown measures beginning to ease.
Though there is currently no set date for the reopening of non-essential shops, such as clothing stores, the BRC has said that these businesses need to be prepared ahead of time to ensure that their reopening does not cause a spike in coronavirus infections.
The BRC collaborated with the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers to produce the guidance for non-food retail stores, drawing on some of the hygiene and social distancing measures currently in place at some supermarkets as well as government advice.
Encouraging customers to shop alone
Limiting the amount of people allowed in-store
Scheduling deliveries to avoid overcrowding
Regularly cleaning lift buttons, hand rails and door handles
Encouraging customers to maintain a distance of two metres from one another with markings
Limiting entry and exit points
Keeping changing rooms closed
The chief executive of the BRC, Helen Dickinson told The Express: “Retailers are closely following developments from the Government on when restrictions might be eased and are starting to plan accordingly.
“Since the lockdown, many retailers have proved how shops can be run safely and effectively in line with the Government’s social distancing advice.
“This guidance is the product of retail’s incredible efforts to adapt to exceptional circumstances.”
Certain non-food retailers - such as B&Q - have already trialed reopening with strict social distancing measures in place.
Hardware stores were considered "essential" retailers under government advice, but until recently, most were operating online or collection services only.
Other retailers will be closely following government advice to determine when they will reopen. ref Pioneer
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B&Q has now opened another 130 UK stores - including sites in North Wales.
These include stores in Bangor, Llandudno, Rhyl and Wrexham.
B&Q is strictly limiting the number of customers in store at any one time.
All open stores have a designated queuing area outside and these have markers every two metres to help remind everyone to respect each other’s personal space.
To further support social distancing, stores have two metre floor markers throughout as well as other point of sale, and perspex screens have been installed at the checkouts.
Only products that you can shop and takeaway in store on the day are available to customers.
This is currently a reduced offer with services such as kitchen and bathroom design, paint mixing, timber cutting and key cutting are not available for the time being and only card and contact-less payments are accepted. ref DP
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People are being warned to leave parcels for 72 hours before opening them in a bid to reduce the risk of coronavirus.
A 'Germ Defence Guide' put together by researchers from Bath, Bristol and Southampton Universities has been published to advise people on how to "create their own forcefield" against Covid-19.
It includes putting deliveries in a cupboard for three days before opening them to allow time for any signs of the virus on or inside the packaging to die.
On their website they say: "It can take up to three days (72 hours) for the coronavirus to completely die on hard surfaces – such as cardboard, plastic or metal.
"If you can wait three days, then the risk of catching the virus is at its lowest.
"If you are receiving a delivery, can you put things in a spare cupboard for three days before you use them?
"If three days isn’t possible, then aim for as long as you can – as soon as the virus leaves our bodies it starts to die so even after one day it is much weaker than it was before."
They add that as it’s not possible to leave everything for three days, the other option is to clean hard surfaces with disinfectant.
Cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/leave-parcels-72-hours-before-18232219 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/leave-parcels-72-hours-before-18232219)
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Primark have addressed rumours that the budget fashion chain are set to reopen a number of high street stores.
It comes amid increased speculation on social media that the company would return 'within days'.
Cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18442956.primark-reopening-chain-addresses-rumours-circulating-social-media/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18442956.primark-reopening-chain-addresses-rumours-circulating-social-media/)
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"Having queued up, patiently and socially distancing, as I neared the entrance a shop worker clipped a carabiner onto the belt loop of my jeans, my perplexed expression must have said it all as she explained that whilst people are distancing in the queue outside, they aren't distancing once inside the store.
"So what someone has dreamt up is to rope six or so customers together with 2m of rope between each of us! WTAF?!
"Well these are strange times, and with the threat of a second wave of infection, I thought I'd best not complain and just toe the line (or perhaps 'tow' the line would be more appropriate!).
"I'm telling you now, what an absolutely idiotic idea this is."
More https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tesco-sees-funny-side-ludicrous-18338318 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tesco-sees-funny-side-ludicrous-18338318)
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The biggest supermarket chains across the country have updated their rules on whether or not face masks should be worn in store.
It comes after the UK government released guidance in May regarding the wearing of masks in both essential and non-essential shops.
Currently, it remains optional as to whether they should be worn inside shops and supermarkets. But the major chains have put their own guidance in place.
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18537743.aldi-asda-tesco-sainsburys-m-s-update-face-mask-rules/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18537743.aldi-asda-tesco-sainsburys-m-s-update-face-mask-rules/)
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All change at Aldi today. It was very quiet this morning but it was a bit like back to normal with many people basically just doing as they pleased and ignoring distancing if it suited them to.
The authorities are all expecting a second peak but don't seem to be doing too much to try and prevent it either.
I don't understand why masks have not been made mandatory in shops here in Wales. Scotland takes the lead there.
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I agree. The main point is that the mask provides some alleviation of risk if an asymptomatic infected person is around. It's not a lot of use in prtoecting the wearers, but it does help stop the infected from spreading.
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I don't understand why there is a reluctance to make masks mandatory, our man in Cardiff seems to think it will make people lower their guard and ignore social distancing but to my mind it's already happening and that's why we should be wearing them!!
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Shoppers 'behaving like pandemic has ended' in some North Wales supermarkets.
Supermarkets should be widely inspected to check if social distancing guidelines are being followed, a councillor has said.
Conwy county councillor Aaron Wynne, said he was “disappointed” there appeared to be “little effort” to protect staff and customers in some supermarkets.
“Things have definitely changed since mid-July and some people are behaving like the pandemic has ended.
“It’s very worrying. The supermarkets have said they are doing all they can but it’s very difficult for staff if they don’t have the backup from management.
“You go to the shops, you see crowds in there and you see the whole family unit shopping, which there is no need for.
“What I would like to see is Conwy follow the lead of the council in Rhondda Cynon Taf, which is upping its inspections by environmental health to ensure social distancing is being followed.”
Responding to Cllr Wynne’s petition, Elizabeth Wallis said: “The one-way systems that were originally in place made the supermarkets much safer.............“They should be reinstated despite the slight inconvenience.”
Christine Hargreaves called for “mandatory” mask use in shops. She said: “I wear my mask to protect others, they should surely respect this and reciprocate. It should be mandatory in stores.”
Lesley Heatley said: “I never shop at weekends anymore – too scary.”
June Powell said she was “scared to go shopping in the big stores now – people just wandering about with no distancing”.
Conwy county council said it would “continue to carry out inspections of premises”.
A spokeswoman said: “The issue of supermarkets and Covid-19 precautions has been raised nationally and we know the Welsh Local Government Association leader is writing to council leaders highlighting his local concerns and seeking views on the consistency of large supermarkets’ Covid precautions around social distancing, queuing and one-way systems, provision of hand sanitisers and PPE equipment for staff.
“The WLGA has also raised the issue with ministers who are supportive of authorities who are required to take any necessary enforcement action.” ref DP
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Supermarkets warned to keep to pandemic regulations as councils get new powers to close premises.
Improvement Notices have been served to some supermarkets in Wales over issues with a lack of social distancing, as Welsh Government hand councils more power to take quick local action.
Yesterday the First Minister Mark Drakeford announced extra powers for local councils to allow them to take more action, he said: “From Monday, we will give local authorities new powers to take action themselves to reduce the spread of coronavirus. Most people in Wales have worked hard and complied with the rules, but a small minority have not done so. These new powers which come into force on Monday, will allow local authorities to close premises or prevent events from happening on public health grounds. ”
Although no such action has been taken locally that North.Wales is aware of against supermarkets, there have been ongoing complaints raised on social media over issues with social distancing in some supermarkets and reports of loosening of standards in recent weeks.
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It will be interesting to see the initial reaction tomorrow when face coverings will be required in all indoor public places, for both customers and staff working in those indoor public areas. This includes a very wide range of locations, such as shops and shopping centres, places of worship, hairdressers and salons, cinemas and museums, gyms and leisure centres, and anywhere that is open to members of the public.
If people don't don't adhere to these and other rules then further restrictions may become inevitable
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The government's of the four devolved nations across the UK - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - are keeping the situation under constant review as coronavirus cases rise, further safety measures have also been rolled out by supermarkets to keep staff and shoppers safe.
The new measures, to be implemented in the coming weeks, include:
The creation of 1,000 new Asda Safety Marshals stationed at the front of every store and in the aisles of larger stores. These colleagues will be on hand to help customers with safety queries and reiterate Government guidelines to wear a face covering and maintain social distancing while they shop. Customers who do not have a covering when they enter the store will be offered a pack of disposable masks that they can pay for as they complete their shopping.
Additionally, those marshals stationed at the store entrance will provide sanitised baskets / trolleys to customer as they enter the store.
Introducing additional hand sanitisation stations in the busiest sections of all stores in addition to the multiple cleaning points already found throughout stores.
Applying a protective coating to all basket and trolley handles, creating an antimicrobial surface that prevents the spread of bacteria and viruses. The same coating technology (Bio Master X shield) is already used to kill bacteria and viruses in the NHS Nightingale Excel hospital.
MORE https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18750786.supermarkets-rationing-products/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18750786.supermarkets-rationing-products/)
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Quote from the First Minister in today's conference ....
"1:17pm
He said some measures in shops are no longer as apparent, and wants those protections in place again.
He said they have worked closely with supermarkets and they have done a remarkably good job but wants to give confidence to shoppers that everything is being done."
They are talking to supermarkets about more visible set of measures.
1:15pm
They are speaking with supermarkets for a more visible set of measures e.g last March staff had someone at the front door, visible sanitising arrangements, one way markings etc
Recent talk .... Shops no longer following hygiene/safe shopping practices ? ................ any comments please
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Cabinet discusses tighter supermarket rules in Wales today as Morrisons bans shoppers without masks
The Welsh Government cabinet has met to consider the options for making stores safer
First Minister Mark Drakeford said on Friday they wanted "to be confident" that supermarkets are being run in Wales today in the same way they were back in the first spring lockdown.
At that point many stores had one way systems in place as well as staff outside stores to ensure capacity limits were strictly maintained.
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cabinet-discusses-tighter-supermarket-rules-19604614 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cabinet-discusses-tighter-supermarket-rules-19604614)
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Slow off the mark again! We should never have relaxed the supermarket shopping rules, it's the one place most people have to visit. Yes you can get deliveries booked online but not everyone can get a suitable date or even have the ability to order that way. For the main shop I have stuck with Aldi and Lidl throughout other than one venture in to Asda which was chaotic.For odd items the Co-op in Deganwy is very well organised as is the one in Penrhyn Bay.
Interestingly the design layout for the new Junction Lidl makes one way traffic all the way around the store impossible from what I can recall. Nice wide isles though!
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The new Lidl is somewhat chaotic, I nipped in for milk and felt that I was in the middle of a jumble sale.
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Seems to have a full car park at the weekend but often quiet during the week Nemesis. No more than a dozen cars this morning at 10.00am.
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Sainsbury’s to enforce mask-wearing and shopping alone in stores
The news comes after Morrisons announced plans to bar customers who refuse to wear a mask
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sainsburys-enforce-mask-wearing-shopping-19606759 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sainsburys-enforce-mask-wearing-shopping-19606759)
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Sainsbury’s to enforce mask-wearing and shopping alone in stores
The news comes after Morrisons announced plans to bar customers who refuse to wear a mask
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sainsburys-enforce-mask-wearing-shopping-19606759 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sainsburys-enforce-mask-wearing-shopping-19606759)
The Welsh Government's health minister said the move was welcome.
Speaking to BBC Radio Wales, he said: "I think it's really important that everyone understands how serious this is.
"We've had widespread reports from constituents, all of us in the government and representatives from all parties, from people who are concerned about what is and isn't happening within supermarkets.
"It appears to be individualised, rather than a whole chain having an approach that doesn't match the requirements.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-backs-sainsburys-morrisons-19608857 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-backs-sainsburys-morrisons-19608857)
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Tesco's are doing something similar and it's not before time, A close family member works there and I have seen the effect the abuse and intimidation has had on them.
One good thing is that they are employing security guards to monitor the customers. Some other shops have signs on their windows saying "no mask - no entry" if the individual does not like wearing a mask then shop online instead
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Businesses in Wales will have to carry out a specific coronavirus risk assessment under new Welsh Government legislation.
First Minister Mark Drakeford has announced that the risk assessments will be "the starting point for implementing the reasonable measures that are required" to keep people safe in shops and the workplace.
Companies will have to consider issues such as whether ventilation is adequate, hygiene measures are in place, physical distancing is taking place and the use of PPE and face coverings.
He added: "Ministers have also met this week with key retailers to discuss their vital role during the pandemic.
"They set out the actions they are taking from providing sanitisers for hands and trolleys on entry, limiting the numbers in store at any one time, and making regular announcements reminding people to keep their distance from others.
"We will strengthen regulations to ensure retailers take these steps so that their premises are as safe as possible for shoppers and their employees alike.
"Many are already operating high standards and we need to raise the bar for those who could and should improve.
"However we all have a personal responsibility to help make shops as safe as possible.
"We all need to shop alone if we can, observe the 2m rule, practise good hand hygiene and wear a face covering unless exempt.
"Any abuse directed at store employees who remind people of their responsibilities will not be tolerated.”
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-reveals-new-law-19631005 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-reveals-new-law-19631005)
Also BBC report....
New laws for shoppers and staff are to be introduced after "significant evidence" coronavirus is being spread in supermarkets, the first minister has said. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55667624 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55667624)
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There are times when you just despair. Months later our esteemed leader now declares the need to tighten up procedures in supermarkets. This has been something that should have been happened months ago . Of course back then when he and his health minister went shopping at their local supermarket everything seems hunky dory. Now there's a surprise.
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There's been a lot of stable doors being bolted after the horses have escaped, that's for sure .
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The combination of a 90% off clothing at M&S yesterday, and those who think a bargain is more important than coming out of lock down sensibly, is/was very disappointing, a queue with shoppers standing shoulder to shoulder on a mobbed Mostyn St, ignoring the rules is not a good sign for the continuing drop in Covid numbers, it would appear also by various comments on social media, that as a lot of people have had the vaccine, every thing is OK now. &shake&
Not just Llandudno then..............
Covid: Shop worker gets customer abuse 'every day for a year' (definitely unsung heroes of the pandemic.)
The re-opening of aisles and reductions in clothing prices saw queues around the stores in Swansea and Neath Port Talbot, Ms Davies told Radio Wales.
She said the situation was "manic", with people buying in bulk and the extra customer numbers making social distancing difficult.
cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56495433 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56495433)
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People are being asked to be respectful to shop workers as thousands of non-essential retail stores prepare to reopen across England and Wales.
The British Retail Consortium (BRC) is calling on shoppers to adhere to social-distancing rules and "queue considerately" as curbs ease on Monday.
The Co-op reported a rise in abuse and assaults involving staff during Covid.
Home Secretary Priti Patel said last year she "will not tolerate" abuse against shop workers.
The latest step in the government's roadmap in England sees non-essential retail such as clothes and technology shops reopen on Monday alongside hairdressers, beauty salons and gyms.
In Wales, all shops will reopen as every pupil returns to the classroom.
cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56706798 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56706798)
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Weary Welsh supermarket worker's heartfelt plea to Tesco, Aldi, Lidl, and Asda shoppers
The anonymous worker's simple appeal and brutal assessment of people's behaviour is shocking and has been shared thousands of time
The new post by an unidentified worker said: "I wish people were more respectful of supermarket workers.
"I can’t count how many times I’ve been shoved out of the way when I’m trying to put something on the shelf or people rudely reaching over me instead of kindly asking me to step out of the way.
"I’ve given up telling people to wear something on their face. They get incredibly confrontational. Policy is that I can’t serve them otherwise. We’ve been doing this for an entire year you’d think they would be more in tune with the times.
"People throw their shopping down on the counter and then huff loudly ushering me to hurry up like I’m some personal butler.
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weary-supermarket-workers-heartfelt-plea-20627096?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weary-supermarket-workers-heartfelt-plea-20627096?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589)
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Are supermarket shoppers in Wales sticking to Covid rules around masks after England ditched them?
As I entered the store, I was met with bright yellow signs, warning customers that they must wear a face covering to enter the store, unless exempt.
This felt very different to the start of the pandemic, when every store would have staff at the door to make sure everyone was following the latest Covid rules.
Signs also encourage people to shop alone, but my experience was that most people have returned to their pre-pandemic shopping habits, alongside their families.
As I made my way into the store, I was met with a fully-stocked trolley-cleaning station, although not everyone chose to wait in line to use it.
What stood out to me was that customers are trusted to enforce the rules themselves, and I was pleasantly surprised to see most people taking this very seriously.
Well-prepared customers donned face coverings as they walked across the car park, others made the familiar scramble for a mask in bags and coat pockets.
Since the start of the pandemic, Asda has offered free masks to customers in their stores, and I spotted a stand with a plentiful supply of disposable masks as soon as I walked in.
To my surprise, every person I had seen enter the store without a mask, quickly approached the stand and put on a mask, without hesitation.
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/supermarket-shoppers-wales-sticking-covid-21358454?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/supermarket-shoppers-wales-sticking-covid-21358454?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)
Nice to hear most are following the rules, however I find the comment below worrying, if you forget your mask in the first place &shake&
One woman commented as she walked past: “It’s so easy to forget them at home isn’t it, thank god they have them here.”
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I think the single thing that's struck me about this pandemic is that the death rates are rising again. World wide they're now almost at four and a half million.
A hundred years ago, when the Spanish 'flu was nearing its end, the death toll was around 50m. The current death toll is a mere 2.5% of that, but what does that mean?
We have a hundred years of modern medicine and knowledge behind us, which makes me wonder if this isn't just as deadly as the Spanish 'flu was. And, as we're seeing on a daily basis, the knowledge of disease proliferation doesn't appear to be that widespread.
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Iceland bosses said that their staff will not enforce mask-wearing in their stores after England reintroduced their Covid rules to come in line with Wales.
From today people in England face fines of £200 for refusing to wear a mask when required - doubling after each offence. Mask wearing is already mandatory in Wales.
Managing director of the frozen food chain, Richard Walker said they would instead be focusing on the “long-term recovering of the high street., according to Wales Online.
The supermarket chain, whose headquarters are based in Deeside, said staff on the shop floor should not be asked to intervene when they spot someone without a mask and that Iceland staff would not be policing the policy in their stores.
He told the Daily Mail: “We fully support the reintroduction of compulsory face masks in shops, however, we won’t be asking our store colleagues to police it.
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/iceland-boss-says-wont-enforce-22318322 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/iceland-boss-says-wont-enforce-22318322)
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Quite a few stores have taken the same line.
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Covid: Fewer people using high street shops after Covid, retailers say
Town and city centre shops are still struggling to recover from the pandemic, according to new figures.
The Welsh Retail Consortium (WRC) says compared to pre-pandemic 2019 levels, total Welsh footfall is 10% lower.
It is warning that energy bills and inflation could also slow recovery but some businesses are bucking the trend.
Stephen Afia, who runs the Wales Shop in Cardiff, says the key to encouraging shoppers is niche products and good customer service.
The WRC added that footfall in Welsh shopping centres is 32.8% lower and footfall in Cardiff is 13.4% lower compared to 2019.
cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64831368