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The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: Nantyglyn72 on April 26, 2019, 12:41:58 pm
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Hi there
Sometime between 1901 and 1911 a branch of my family briefly moved from Llangwstennin where they had been for two generations to a house called Greenfield Cottage on Mostyn Street before swiftly moving on to Oxford Road so maybe it was short term.
Anyway does anyone know where Greenfield Cottage was located on Mostyn Street?
Thank you
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Looking at the 1901 Census Greenfield Cottage isn't on Mostyn Street, it's on Bodafon Row. It has been documented between Mostyn Street & Adelphi Street, so perhaps it was in the vicinity of Bodafon Street?
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Thank you I'll take a look tomorrow
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Meleri, I had a look at the 1911 and 1914 Street Indexes in the Archives and couldn't find Greenfield Cottage in Bodafon Street, Adelphi Street, Moon Street, Vaughan Street or Mostyn Street and I also had a look in Bodafon Street but couldn't find Greenfield Cottage.
Do you know the names of properties on either side of Greenfield Cottage in the 1901 Census as they normally were carried out in some type of pattern?
Those Street Indexes are handy as the people are listed in it alphabetically but as the name of the person was not named then it makes things harder to trace
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The family living in Greenfield Cottage were Roberts.
David, Hannah, Maggie, Hugh, Robert, Hannah N (should be M) and Dorothy
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The family living in Greenfield Cottage were Roberts.
David, Hannah, Maggie, Hugh, Robert, Hannah N (should be M) and Dorothy
The 1901 Census transcript shows the above as David 47 (Mason), Hannah 43, Margaret 21, Hannah M 20, Hugh Owen 18 (Clerk), Robert 15 (Printer), Dorothy 11, and George 5, residing at 'Dalefield', Oxford Road. However, the image shows that "Dalefield" is in Council Street. The progression of the census is: Oxford Road - "Bon Air", "The Dales", Council Street - "Bryn View", "Penrhos", "Dalefield".
Hope this helps.
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Sorry Hugo that should have been the 1891 Census I found Greenfield Cottage not 1901 $booboo$. As Nantglyn mentions the Roberts family lived there on the 1891, David Roberts was a stonemason born 1855 Llangwstenin & Hannah his wife born 1859 Llanrhos with their children. It's stated Greenfield Cottage is between Cumberland Cottage & 8 Bodafon Row on the 1891 Census so that should give you an idea where it was. When looking at that area on the 1901 Census Bodafon row on the list ends at No 7 Bodafon Row, then it states Cottage, continuing with 15 Bodafon Row, so is rather odd as there appears to be some dwellings missing.
The enumerator could have tagged them on later elsewhere as they sometimes did if the occupants weren't in & they had to return later for the information.
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Did some more digging and found a site for Plwyf Llandudno Parish which includes an entry for Robert Roberts (https://llandudno-parish.org.uk/wordpress/extra/the-great-war/r/roberts-robert (https://llandudno-parish.org.uk/wordpress/extra/the-great-war/r/roberts-robert)), which indicates that the 1891 Census shows the family living at Greenfield Cottage and in March 1893, the register of Lloyd Street School records Robert’s address as Bodarfon Row, Llandudno which supports an earlier post by Hugo that Greenfield Cottage is in Bodarfon Street.
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Information at this site may be of interest too:-
https://llandudno-parish.org.uk/wordpress/extra/the-great-war/r/roberts-robert
in particular...
Robert Roberts, the son of David and Hannah Roberts, was born in Llangwstenin on 12 April 1885. The Census of Wales of 1891 records the family living at Greenfield Cottage, Llanrhos; David Roberts being described as a stonemason and Robert (6) as a scholar. In March 1893, the register of Lloyd Street School records Robert’s address as Bodarfon Row, Llandudno. Robert left school in February 1898. In 1901, the family including three girls and three boys lived at “Dalefield”, Oxford Road, Llandudno; Robert Roberts was described as a printer. In the Census for 1911, Hannah Roberts was now a widow and described as a lodging house keeper, Robert (25) as a printer (compositor).
Robert Roberts’ enlisted at Stockport; unfortunately, his army record no longer exists. It appears highly likely that he joined the 3/1st (Welsh) Divisional Cyclist Company around November 1915 as did Donald Goulding Evans (qv) and David Hobson (qv). Evidence indicates that Robert Roberts married Eliza J Jones in early 1916. On 11 December 1916, many men of the 3/1st (Welsh) Cyclists were compulsorily transferred to the Northumberland Fusiliers including Robert Roberts, Donald Evans and David Hobson. Robert Roberts’ new regimental number was 45017. Judging from the records of other soldiers, he served initially with the Reserve Battalion at Catterick before being sent to France and the Infantry Base Depot at Étaples before being posted to the 19th (Service) Battalion in mid-1917. At a time unknown he was posted to the 1/5th Battalion, Territorial Force.
Robert Roberts was killed on 26 October 1917 aged 32 when the 1/5th NF participated in a disastrous diversionary attack during the Second Battle of Passchendaele. Robert was buried near where he fell and that area became the Poelcapelle British Cemetery after the Armistice with exhumations being brought in from surrounding battlefields and smaller cemeteries. Though Robert Roberts has a headstone, the precise location of his grave is not marked.
After the war, Robert Roberts’ effects were received by his widow, Eliza. With Roberts and Jones being such common surnames, it has not been able to determine with any certainty if there were any children of the marriage.
Known memorials:
Llandudno Roll of Honour
Llandudno War Memorial
Memorial Chapel, Holy Trinity Church, Llandudno
Llanrhos Parish War Memorial, All Saints’ Church, Deganwy