Three Towns Forum
Members' Lounge => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: brumbob on February 11, 2011, 04:36:34 pm
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MPs reject European court's ruling that prisoners must get the vote, finally they have stood up to the European Court of Human Rights.
Do you think prisoners deserve 'human rights' or did they give that up when they lost the right to freedom.
Could this be the turning point when we start rejecting the takeover of our laws by the EU?
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I'm a bit divided on this issue (for a change - that's the Libra in me) I can categorically say I don't think long term prisoners should get the vote. Prisoners in for murder, burglary, assault and sex offences for example but then there is those in for more petty crime like non payment of council tax and the like. If it was a yay or nay situation I'd have to say no they should not get the vote. Surely they would want any other government in power as opposed to the one who imprisoned them thus making their vote bias? ?{}?
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Sorry to keep disagreeing with you Brumbob. We have only had true justice in this country since the UK Gov signed up to the human rights act. Take a look at the host of major miscarriages of Justice that have been put right because of it. Unless you’re very rich, a Mason or a member of the Judges Paedophile circle you haven’t got a hope in hell of getting justice in this country
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You have a very valid point Blongb. I think our justice system is as corrupt as Americas. Do you think prisoners should get the vote then?
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No problem Blongb, we're all entitled to our view :)
I didn't say in my post that I agreed with what I had written (but obviously I do)
but what about my human rights and the thread title being changed without my knowledge :weeping:
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Of course they should get the vote. It's quite easy to arrange a postal ballot for them all which would be duly collected by a reliable member of HM Prison Service and put in a convenient dustbin on his / her way home ¢¢##
I promise I didn't change the thread title Brumbob and I promise I will join your cause to get it reinstated if you so wish Y^^Y
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:laugh: couldn't care less about the thread title, it's probably more encompassing than mine, in fact I can't even remember what I put,
senile as Pendragon would say :P
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An opinionated Fester says...
No, prisoners should not get the vote, they shouldn't even be aware of an election going on, because they shouldn't have a telly either.
Therefore any vote they were given would be a total wase as they would not understand the issues.
Jeezas, you'll be advocating that women can vote next.. L0L L0L L0L
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but what about my human rights and the thread title being changed without my knowledge weeping
Hmmm.... not sure changing the title was actually an infraction of your human rights ,BB ;D I changed it simply to create a more universal topic, because it's the ECHR that's at the root of the current issue with regard to prisoner voting.
Without wanting to depart too much off topic, a vast plethora of seemingly unrelated topics is one of the major deterrents to new folk joining. If something doesn't fit within an existing topic then I change the title to make it more comprehensive, especially - in this case - since it's a topic that could run and run.
BOT - the thing that worries me about criminals getting the vote is the distortions it could produce in the voting system. For example, I wonder how many potential MPs might try to curry favour and win the Lags vote?
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For example, I wonder how many potential MPs might try to curry favour and win the Lags vote?
I'm not sure that’s right; looks to me as if they’re after the sub-continent immigrant vote
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Blongb: I've sorted the quotes out in your post. Definitely something odd happening with quotes; the post you made had two 'quote' codes in it, but only a single "/ quote" at the end, thus messing with the eventual display.
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Blongb: I've sorted the quotes out in your post. Definitely something odd happening with quotes; the post you made had two 'quote' codes in it, but only a single "/ quote" at the end, thus messing with the eventual display.
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Sorry Ian that was my fault. I was trying to be too clever by selecting the quote button and then doing an edit inside the Post reply box. I shall be a little more careful next time.
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Blongb: I've sorted the quotes out in your post. Definitely something odd happening with quotes; the post you made had two 'quote' codes in it, but only a single "/ quote" at the end, thus messing with the eventual display.
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Sorry that my. I trying be clever selecting quote and doing edit the reply . I be little careful time.
Definitely something strange going on. ???
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Sorry Ian that was my fault. I was trying to be too clever by selecting the quote button and then doing an edit inside the Post reply box. I shall be a little more careful next tim
Just as long as it isn't the forum software :-))
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Do you think the PM would go along with this suggestion? ???
Dear David
Let's put the seniors in jail and the criminals in a nursing home. This way the seniors would have access to showers, hobbies and walks. They'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out. They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them. A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose. They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counseling, pool and education.
Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on request. Private, secure! rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens. Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls.
There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.
The "criminals" would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised. Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week. Live in a tiny room and pay £900.00 per month and have no hope of ever getting out.
Justice for all we say
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:laugh: That sounds fair enough to me Hugo.
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I just caught the end of a discussion on TV this morning and they were talking about prisoners wanting to vote as it is their "Human Right" to have a vote. They then remarked that these prisoners are now asking for benefits to be paid to them during their stay in prison!
I hadn't paid too much attention to what was being said as I've heard enough rubbish being said about the subject, but I hope that the Government don't take it seriously.
Shouldn't the public be asking for compensation from the inmates for the cost of housing them and also the cost of Police time etc in putting them inside in the first place.
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Shouldn't the public be asking for compensation from the inmates for the cost of housing them and also the cost of Police time etc in putting them inside in the first place.
Interesting idea, but one which reveals the flaws in the current civil law system. Most of those inside have no tangible (or findable) assets.
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Shouldn't the public be asking for compensation from the inmates for the cost of housing them and also the cost of Police time etc in putting them inside in the first place.
Interesting idea, but one which reveals the flaws in the current civil law system. Most of those inside have no tangible (or findable) assets.
You're right of course Ian, but it just shows you that the perpetrators of crime seem to have an advantage over the victims. It's PC, Human rights etc gone crazy.
It's absolute madness when an Italian in this country kills someone and an illegal Middle Eastern driver kills someone in a hit and run accident and neither can be deported because it infringes their Human Rights!! :rage:
It's time the UK had a Human Rights policy of their own as The UK seems to be the only one following the EU Policy and it's not working in the UK's interest.
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I agree. And it goes to show that crime does actually pay.