Three Towns Forum
The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: jom on May 31, 2013, 02:30:29 am
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I've found the above record and was wondering if anyone can tell the address of the listed father W H OWEN. It states it's off Church Walks. I think W H OWEN was in fact Edward's half brother not his father. Does anyone know if it was usual to list a brother if the father had died. His mother is correct by my reckoning including the address. Edward was the son of John OWEN (who died 1895) and his second wife Laura (Roberts). His brother William Hugh bn 1877 was the son of John and his first wife Margaret (JONES)
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I can't read it properly but it looks like Llwyn Onn Cottages which I think are up Old Road and on the left before Ty Gwyn Road crosses over it.
Someone from the Great Orme would know for sure.
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Llwynon Gardens is in the same area I think?
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The Street Indexes 1911, 1914 or 1922 in the Conwy Archives will have the details of the head of the family. It could even be in your 1929 Street Index Suepp.
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I had looked in there, Hugo, but no clues as to the address, could not see anything in the alphabetical indexes either, although there are plenty of E and W Owens' !
The references to roads "off" Church walks are Promenade, Mostyn Street, Tudno Street, Old Road, Abbey Road, Bodlondeb Hill, and Ty Gwyn Road.
Ty Gwyn Road has several integral terraces, such as Llican Terrace, Belle Vue Terrace and Tan yr Ogo.
Have you tried the 1911 census? I can have a look if you don't have access
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I'm hoping to go to the Archives on Monday after taking my car in for its MOT ( that's if I'm not too upset afterwards :'( )
I can have a look then unless you can access it before then.
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Thanks folks I have tried to enlarge it
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Meant to say on the 1911 Census I have William Hugh OWEN lodging at Lloyd Street
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Thanks Jom, it still looks like Llwynonn Cottages to me but I'll check with the Archives on it.
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Thanks Hugo. I felt the second word was something like "Gatteys"
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I had a look at the 1911 Street Index at the Archives and Llwynonn Terrace is where I thought it was. There are only four houses in the terrace and none of the occupiers were called Owen.
However, when I looked at Llwynonn Gardens there were several houses there and at No 6 was listed William Owen and his source of income was given as Apartments.
Could this be your relative? The terraced 3 storey properties are behind the Kings Head pub
In 1911 Llwynonn Road had not been built so there were only these two terraces with the name Llwynonn in them.
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No 6 is the first white building on the left in the first photo and next to the end of the terrace
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When was the street index as I can't find him there in the census. Was he with his wife Catherine by any chance?
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The Street index was for 1911 but I don't know when it was compiled in that year. The Index only lists one person on it and that person listed is normally the breadwinner.
Llwynonn Gardens is very near Church Walks, possibly about 50 yards away so that's possibly why it was described as near Church Walks.
Sorry but I can't help you regarding Catherine.
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Thanks Hugo. You've been great AGAIN. As previously mentioned I have him, I think, as living in Lloyd Street in 1911 with wife Catherine nee BARNES. he was noted as a lodger to Catherine ROWLANDS. There also was one Florence BARNES, niece to the Catherine ROWLANDS. It may be of course, that Catherine (BARNES) OWEN was also a niece. William was listed as a pier labourer. his age was 32 which doesn't quite compute with being born 1877 but I'm fairly sure this is my William Hugh. I shall have to get his marriage cert, I think
I was very remiss previously and had meant to thank you for the wonderful photos attached. I am as always most grateful. helps complete a mental picture.
Cheers
Jo
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Just found his marriage cert on findmypast and he is mine william Hugh and he did marry Catherine Barnes! Thanks
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You're very welcome Jom, it's my pleasure. Trefriw House is in Lloyd Street, the same street as the Archives that I go to but I can't remember seeing the house in the street
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Trefriw House, 26 Lloyd Street has been renamed "Epinov" ??? It's the cream coloured house with the steps in the photo.
In the 1929 Street Index Catherine Rowlands was still living there.
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$thanx$ for the photo and information, Hugo. Catherine Rowlands was Aunt to Catherine (Barnes) Owen so Aunt in law to William Hugh Owen. I'm pretty certain that Edward was BROTHER to William Hugh and NOT son. This is from census returns, baptism record etc. The first and only mention of the potential for father and son is the service record and Edward's actual father John had died in 1895, so I suspect William Hugh was listed in his place. Strange him though and not oldest brother. Can think of no other outcome at the moment.
I do have another query in this line but related to service in the forces. I have attached photos of whom I had thought to be sailor Edward OWEN bn 1892 but now wonder if it might have been his brother Thomas bn 1885. The other is a soldier thought to have been Thomas but now believed to be Edward. The reason for initial thoughts is dating and subsequent view is that Edward seems to have been in the Army not Navy
The first of the sailor suggests service on board HMS Aboukir (I think) and was noted as being taken in Malta (date thought to be 1913 due to whereabouts of HMS Aboukir). The second photo of the sailor was taken with my grandmother who was born in 1901 and we believe she was about 13 at the time of the photograph being taken. The final photo with the soldier looks as though she was a bit older and is there with her mother Susannah Ann (Owen) WILLIAMS. Both men are thought to be her maternal uncles and ages would suggest Thomas and Edward. Edward's army record is the only one I've find and can find no survivor or casualty of HMS Aboukir to fit. If anyone knows anything or could point me in the right direction I'd be most grateful. I haven't tried the National Archives directly as yet but have tried googling names, boats etc and via Ancestry and findmypast. There are folk specifically interested in HMS Aboukir but they were unable to find anything of relevance. Just yet another puzzle
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Lovely photos Jom and I hope someone can help you with those searches.
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Wishful thinking I suspect as this isn't really the best forum for this enquiry, but I thought I'd try a long shot ;D
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Just a thought but have you tried asking the Armed Services under the Freedom Of Information Act? Perhaps they have photos too.
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Hi, a relative of mine was a Stoker on board the Aboukir when it was torpedoed in 1914 I found info on the war graves commission, and there is a memorial in Portsmouth to those that perished
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Thanks for the suggestion Hugo. Think the national archives etc might be by best chance. Thank you too suepp. Great photo. I've read both casualty and survivor list without any luck to date so I wonder if they were posted to another ship before the sinking
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I have just found a descendent of Thomas OWEN and have made initial contact. I am hoping they may be able to enlighten me re these 2 men and will post anything of interest. Thomas did marry at some stage and have offspring therefore!
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BINGO! I have found a relative of the sailor who has confirmed his identity as Thomas OWEN bn 1886 and married a Lily HAVARD in Bristol which is where he set up the family home. Strangely 2 of his sisters settled there too. Thomas was in fact a MERCHANT seaman (a stoker) and one of his ships WAS the Aboukir but NOT during the war. He served on her from Mar 1909 - Mar 1911 by which time he was a first class stoker.
I believe therefore that it is likely my soldier will be his younger half brother Edward OWEN, whom I have since found out served as, I believe, a driver in the Welsh RGA. Thank you for your advice photos etc. 2 photographic mysteries solved and a newly discovered cousin. D)