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The Local => Covid-19 => Topic started by: Ian on March 25, 2020, 11:38:24 am

Title: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on March 25, 2020, 11:38:24 am
It's started very seriously.  Police stopped a group intending to camp (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/moment-police-descend-snowdonia-walkers-17973151) and sent them packing.

Meanwhile, Police on the A55 will intercept caravans (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-north-wales-police-stop-17974166) and turn them back.

I imagine the next step will be for penalties to be enforced.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 25, 2020, 01:04:05 pm
Changes made to services in Conwy in response to Covid-19 strict measures.

Play Areas
All play areas are closed in the interests of public safety. Parks will remain open for the time being - please be responsible and keep to social distancing guidelines.

Waste and Recycling
To keep refuse and recycling collections going, Conwy County Borough Council said they need help in protecting staff.

A spokesperson for the local authority said: "If your household is self-isolating because someone has viral symptoms, please do not put your recycling out for collection for 14 days. After 14 days, you can put out your recycling and we will take any extra that doesn’t fit in your trolibocs.

"Don’t forget to wash your hands before you put out your bin and recycling containers, and again as soon as you bring them back in."

Crest will not be collecting pink or purple recycling bags.
No new bookings are being taken for bulky waste at the moment, due to staff shortages at partner Crest.

Household Recycling Centres at Abergele and Mochdre are closed until further notice, in line with Government guidance.

Saturday mobile recycling centres will not be running until further notice, in line with Government guidance.

Mochdre Office is closed - the ERF Advice Team can be contacted on (01492) 575337 or email erf@conwy.gov.uk

Full list
  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18332903.changes-made-services-conwy-response-covid-19-strict-measures/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18332903.changes-made-services-conwy-response-covid-19-strict-measures/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 25, 2020, 08:11:12 pm
I'm afraid until people are ordered off the streets altogether we will continue to have  a minority that continue to carry on as they always have done. They won't stop until friends and neighbours are on ventilators or in the morgue, and even then it still might not dawn on them that they and their kind are responsible.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 25, 2020, 11:03:27 pm
I think that the majority of the people feel the same as you Dave. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 26, 2020, 09:39:36 am
A family-of-five from Merseyside who arrived in North Wales for a day out at the seaside were stopped by police and told to return home.

Officers from North Wales Police's West Conwy Coastal unit stopped the group after they had travelled to Llanfairfechan from Merseyside for a day out on Wednesday.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/merseyside-family-five-stopped-police-17981928 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/merseyside-family-five-stopped-police-17981928)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 26, 2020, 12:58:26 pm
I was watching the Welsh news last night and some of the things that were said were quite clear and left no room for peoples own interpretation of the guidelines.

For instance I wasn't sure if people could drive to some quiet spot to do their one daily exercise  but they can't.     Any exercise should start from your own property whether it be running, walking or cycling

Driving should only be done as infrequently as possible and then only for the valid reasons that have been stated

Even walking your dog should only be done from home once a day and that is on your one daily exercise.   If other members are in the household then they can take the dog for a walk on that person's exercise.    I no longer have a dog but he used to have at least two walks a day so I'm sure that some people will find it hard to do just the one walk
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 26, 2020, 02:34:16 pm
Hospitals     visiting suspended across North Wales


https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18336441.visiting-suspended-across-north-wales-hospitals-including-glan-clwyd-ysbyty-gwynedd-due-attempt-reduce-covid-19-spread/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18336441.visiting-suspended-across-north-wales-hospitals-including-glan-clwyd-ysbyty-gwynedd-due-attempt-reduce-covid-19-spread/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 26, 2020, 03:54:03 pm
Enforcing social distancing, by royal decree ......
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on March 26, 2020, 03:57:35 pm
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2020, 04:39:37 pm
Excellent Steve!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2020, 04:46:01 pm
Avon and Somerset Police have been posting notices on cars telling people that they are not permitted to use your car to travel to your place of exercise. Should be issuing parking fines with them soon too. That would stop it.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2020, 05:08:16 pm
Avon and Somerset Police have been posting notices on cars telling people that they are not permitted to use your car to travel to your place of exercise. Should be issuing parking fines with them soon too. That would stop it.

Just heard on the news , the law has now been passed that fines can be issued for non essential travel.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on March 28, 2020, 10:02:04 am
Judge Dredd is on the case... (https://twitter.com/NPTCouncil/status/1243218979851821056/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 28, 2020, 03:58:00 pm
I'm told that two police cars were stopping people driving up on to the Great Orme today. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 28, 2020, 05:38:18 pm
Police who caught a motorist taking their child out for a driving lesson on the "quiet roads" during the coronavirus lockdown have warned people not to make non-essential journeys.

North Wales Police's roads policing unit posted a photo on their Facebook page of a car they stopped, and warned drivers that they are conducting checks.

The unit wrote: "Taking your child out for a driving lesson because you want to make the most of the 'quiet roads' is not an essential journey. refDP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on March 28, 2020, 09:39:55 pm
I'm told that two police cars were stopping people driving up on to the Great Orme today.

Is the Marine Drive closed properly now?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 29, 2020, 02:36:03 pm
A week after "unprecedented" crowds at Wales' most popular places, people appear to "have got the message" they should stay home due to coronavirus.

The Welsh Government responded by imposing severe curbs on people's lives, with fines for disobeying.

It came after thousands of people clogged up national parks, parks and beaches despite warnings to stay home.
But with warnings all week and police out in force across Wales on Saturday, the crowds have stayed away.
Cont   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52078506 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52078506)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 30, 2020, 11:11:22 am
"Maybe he saw a window of opportunity."      &shake&

A driver flouted the coronavirus lockdown to pick up £15 windows with his wife in the boot of his car.
The man, who had bought the windows on eBay, was stopped by police on the M6 in Cheshire on Sunday after collecting his purchase in Salford.
His wife could not fit in the vehicle so she was travelling in the boot for the return journey

North West Motorway Police issued the man with a traffic offence report.
After the force tweeted news of the 220-mile round trip people reacted with a mixture of shock and disbelief .   refBBC

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on March 30, 2020, 11:13:36 am
The driver was reported as wearing a glazed expression...
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2020, 01:52:26 pm
He also said it was a set up for the benefit of the press...he'd been framed.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 30, 2020, 03:42:20 pm
Me and our youngest went for our once-a-day walk earlier and decided to visit the Nationwide to have her interest added, which a counter assistant suggested she did when we were in there only a week ago.

I stayed outside even though it was completely empty inside the branch.

The gentleman at the counter refused to credit the interest on her account because he did not deem it as essential. :-}}}







Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 30, 2020, 03:59:27 pm
Me and our youngest went for our once-a-day walk earlier and decided to visit the Nationwide to have her interest added, which a counter assistant suggested she did when we were in there only a week ago.
I stayed outside even though it was completely empty inside the branch.
The gentleman at the counter refused to credit the interest on her account because he did not deem it as essential.

I bet if she was paying in, it would have been a different story.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 30, 2020, 04:22:01 pm
Yes, I thought that SteveH.

I wonder what will happen if I walk in next Monday on the start of a new fiscal year wanting to top-up my Nationwide ISA with £20k.   ?{}?

Seriously, I did suggest she walk back in and ask to draw out £20 to buy milk and bread because her passbook would then be automatically updated.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2020, 06:02:36 pm
At current interest rates £20 might have wiped out your interest !
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on March 30, 2020, 08:32:53 pm
True, Dave.

She is still getting a massive 1.4% on her ISA at present but after two recent reductions in the bank rate just wait until the end of April to see rates soon drop.

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 31, 2020, 10:08:57 am
Mrs H and I, noticed the two trades below, going about there business, we agreed there was no problem, but did notice a lack of distance between customer and worker, bearing in mind the customers were elderly.

While scores of businesses and venues were forced to shut due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, questions have been raised about
professional gardeners/window cleaners and if they can still work.

The guidance for gardeners is clearer in Scotland, with Gov.scot explaining: “We know that for some – self-employed gardeners, window cleaners, or those working in rural areas – where there is no contact – if you can practise safely, then this could be good for the community, but safety and social distancing must come first.”
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18346507.uk-lockdown-can-gardeners-still-work-need-know/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18346507.uk-lockdown-can-gardeners-still-work-need-know/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 31, 2020, 04:41:57 pm
I was telling my sister who lives in Brittany, about the hordes descending on North Wales, and our general news, her reply, looks like we are all in a similar position.

"What you've just described, happened in France. All those "town folk" flocked along to their "résidences secondaires", in the hope of finding freedom from the big cities, and of course, the hospitals were faced with the same dilemma !!!"

"has just arrived back from his weekly visit to the local supermarket, luckily, no food restrictions for the moment. And, from what he says, it's ever so well organized - very little contact with staff and other customers."

"All is well in Holland. I'm glad and relieved to say that xxxxxxxx is now working from home, xxx (bakery owner) still drives to his workplace and the boys seem to be managing their studies from home."
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2020, 02:19:32 pm
It had to happen, the world is falling down around us and I'm complaining about dog crap.
Come on all you dog owners, play the game and pick up after your dog even if you are off road on one of the many rural paths we are lucky enough to have around Llandudno.
Oh, and don't leave you poo bags on the pavement if the bin is taped up. You are not meant to use those bins for dog waste at any time.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 02, 2020, 02:01:16 pm
Coronavirus: North Wales Police chief constable pulled over by his own officers

"This morning travelling to Wrexham to go out on patrol and pulled over by my own local policing officers, checking if his journey was essential. doing a great job, although their faces were a picture.    :-[                 "Keep up the good work."                       refDP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 03, 2020, 01:01:25 pm
Council asks walkers to keep dogs under control
Dogs have been forcing people to break social-distancing rules by jumping on people, a council says.

The incidents have been reported, after animals have been let off their leads.

In order to retrieve their pets owners have to break the rules, it says.

"We must stress the need for responsible dog ownership, especially during the coronavirus pandemic, and ask owners to keep their dogs under control at all times whilst out in public places.

"We would urge that all dog owners walk their dogs on leads, to maintain full control of their dogs whilst out in public places."
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 03, 2020, 03:35:27 pm
Warning
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 04, 2020, 10:58:28 am
New law on 2m distancing
New rules to protect workers during the coronavirus outbreak will come into force on Tuesday morning, First Minister Mark Drakeford has confirmed.

The regulations will mean the 2m social distancing rule will apply to any workplace, including homes, where work and repairs are being undertaken and outdoor spaces. The new rules apply to those workplaces not already covered by the original stay-at-home rules introduced almost two weeks ago

All businesses will have to take all reasonable measures to ensure the 2m rule is maintained between people on their premises whenever work is being carried out. Guidance will be issued to explain what can reasonably be expected of employers and businesses.

The rules about who can attend a funeral are being relaxed but the 2m rule will mean there will be a maximum limit on the number of people who can attend. refDP



Full list of 13 'reasonable excuses' for being out of the house
During lockdown, people have to be able to explain why they are out of doors


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-13-reasonable-excuses-18036094 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-13-reasonable-excuses-18036094)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 04, 2020, 01:24:24 pm
What don't the idiots understand when the Government asks them to stay away?   

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-tourism-chief-calls-army-18042415 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-tourism-chief-calls-army-18042415)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 04, 2020, 02:12:37 pm
Looking at the traffic cams and a quick look on the West shore web cam.....it likes like a minority is letting us down, so well done to this sitting it out at home $good$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 04, 2020, 04:43:06 pm
He may have money but has no consideration or common sense.      Well done North Wales Police      $good$


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porsche-thought-ok-drive-north-



They sneak in at night too
18043318 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/porsche-thought-ok-drive-north-18043318)https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-home-owners-sneaking-north-18043030 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-home-owners-sneaking-north-18043030)



Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 04, 2020, 06:33:41 pm
Strikes me the police should dig out the Council Tax registers and pay al the second homes random visits. At around 0200, preferably.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 04, 2020, 06:44:03 pm
They should also advise HMRC  because there is an Income Tax and potential Capital Gains Tax to consider that HMRC may not be aware of


The message cannot be any clearer for those people who flout the law

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52158751 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52158751)




Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 05, 2020, 09:53:26 am
Some tips to follow
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 05, 2020, 02:18:09 pm
Coronavirus: Exercise out of the home 'could be banned' if people flout rules

Why do the small minority of idiots spoil it for the majority.?        Perhaps it's time for the Government to come down hard on those idiots who put the lives of others at risk



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 05, 2020, 05:03:54 pm
Two off-road bikers fled from police after officers tried to pull them over in Conwy.

The riders were seen on the A4086 in Capel Curig heading towards the Llanberis Pass by officers who tried to stop them to see why they were out and about.

They rode off, but were later tracked down by officers from the roads policing unit.

A spokesman for the roads policing unit said: "Two males from Wallasey riding their off-road motorbikes on A4086 Capel Curig towards Llanberis Pass.

Failed to stop for Llanrwst officers.
"Both stopped by us and reported to court for no insurance, fail to stop for police and offences under Covid Legislation. Bikes seized."

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/road-bikers-merseyside-face-court-18046748 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/road-bikers-merseyside-face-court-18046748)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 05, 2020, 05:36:28 pm
Well done to the North Wales Police and I hope that the Police told them to make their own way home and to stay there also           
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 06, 2020, 08:13:32 am
Two windsurfers from the West Midlands at Black Rock Sands fined

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-windsurfers-who-travelled-gwynedd-18047496 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-windsurfers-who-travelled-gwynedd-18047496)https
   

Ford Mustang driven from Cambridge on false plates stopped in N Wales and car seized 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ford-mustang-driven-cambridge-north-18047308 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ford-mustang-driven-cambridge-north-18047308)





Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on April 06, 2020, 09:27:34 am
It just shows the stupidity of some people, the two off road bikers from Wallasey no insurance, now of all times you wouldn't go on then bound to get stopped, the guy in the mustang false plates etc stupidity, how many have slipped by the police.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 06, 2020, 10:01:32 am
It's lucky most criminals aren't that bright.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 06, 2020, 05:30:16 pm
They are alive and live amongst us and we are probably paying for them too

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-police-car-taken-road-18052089 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-police-car-taken-road-18052089)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 08, 2020, 10:23:42 am
This is a non news story, but worth a read, despite there being mitigating circumstances, this person took offence at being given advice by the police, to the point of contacting a newspaper, made worse by the DP printing it, I got the sense she is making up her own rules.....

 Dog walker 'made to feel like criminal' during beach walk with pet
Police say they have to make sure people are complying with Covid-19 measures

 "Having explained that my partner and I live locally and have no garden to exercise our dog, I was told I shouldn't have driven to the beach but should have walked there instead as it would only take five minutes, as he said he knew where I lived.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dog-walker-made-feel-like-18057031 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dog-walker-made-feel-like-18057031)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 08, 2020, 12:31:16 pm
Hi Norman08,  hope that you and the family are keeping safe and well but would you please have a word with your relatives in Rhuddlan about social distancing.          ;D
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 08, 2020, 02:16:57 pm

Dog walker 'made to feel like criminal' during beach walk with pet
Police say they have to make sure people are complying with Covid-19 measures

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dog-walker-made-feel-like-18057031 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dog-walker-made-feel-like-18057031)

Well technically she was a criminal and breaking the law.       What part of the law doesn't she understand?     There is too much of this  "it's only me " attitude so if she does it again then she can't complain about receiving a fine
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 09, 2020, 09:58:27 am
Coronavirus: 'Vigilante' worries for second home owners.      This type of thing shouldn't happen if people follow the rules, it's not exactly rocket science
This weekend will be a good indicator to see if people are taking advice from the Government and if the idiots don't heed the warnings then this lockdown will continue for a lot longer


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52222777 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52222777)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 09, 2020, 02:25:13 pm
Another family of idiots in a camper van.      There is no excuse now as everyone must have heard the message, perhaps it's time for action rather than talk and fine the lot of them who put other lives in danger


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-camper-van-occupants-travelling-18068112 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-camper-van-occupants-travelling-18068112)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 09, 2020, 04:30:45 pm
Hugo, Thank goodness it is a small minority, from today's WG statement .........

Public action is making significant difference

AG: "We are seeing significant decreases in public transmission, and I am grateful to the public for complying. This is what is making the greatest difference."

AG: "We've tried to be very clear in Wales that these mechanisms will have to continue.

"There is a COBRA meeting later today where the matter will be discussed further.

"We have clear Welsh Government arrangements and I take direction from them. I will await the outcome of the COBRA meeting later as well." ref Pioneer
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 10, 2020, 10:49:00 am
Police to target day trippers amid virus lockdown


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52233618 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52233618)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 10, 2020, 12:40:42 pm
The web cam on the West Shore cafe is great to watch but it also shows that a few people are still driving to the West Shore either for a walk or to walk their dogs
I think more are parking their cars by the miniature railway as it is not so obvious there
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 10, 2020, 12:59:52 pm
Hugo, just had a look, very quiet, 4 people various parts of the prom. as you say a few dog walkers, but generally looks as if most are following the guide lines.

DP photo piece on NW Police ...

Police erect 'ring of steel' around North Wales to deter Easter holidaymakers
Patrols have been set up on routes popular with tourists as the force ensures the 'stay at home' message is adhered to.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/police-erect-ring-steel-around-18073746 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/police-erect-ring-steel-around-18073746)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 10, 2020, 03:05:34 pm
I've been watching the A55 traffic cam feeds (https://trafficcameras.uk/a55/) and they seem largely deserted.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 10, 2020, 04:44:58 pm
Tîm Troseddau Cefn Gwlad HGC/ NWP Rural Crime Team

@NWPRuralCrime
Unbelievably we are investigating reports that people are sending their suitcases via courier with their clothes to holiday homes in Wales!
So if they get stopped enroute they are not found with them
Surely people aren't that selfish and cunning...are they?#StayHomeSaveLives
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 10, 2020, 10:30:24 pm
Arrogant idiot in Aberffraw


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/moment-anglesey-farmer-confronts-jaguar-18075784 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/moment-anglesey-farmer-confronts-jaguar-18075784)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 11, 2020, 08:57:00 am
What some of the sly second home owners are doing


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-holiday-home-owners-sending-18074593 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-holiday-home-owners-sending-18074593)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Cambrian on April 11, 2020, 10:09:27 am
For different reasons, British Railways used to offer a Passengers' Luggage in Advance service.  If you were travelling by train, they would collect your luggage from home and deliver to your hotel or guest house with a corresponding pick-up at the end of the stay.  All for a fairly reasonable fee.  This was in an age till the 80s when we had trains with guards' vans and a Motor Parcels Vanman based at Llandudno who was employed almost full time on the work.  Llandudno station even boasted a now-demolished extension into the goods yard known as the "PLA shed" where the many cases were stored on their inward and outward journeys.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 11, 2020, 10:13:20 am
Arrogant idiot in Aberffraw
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/moment-anglesey-farmer-confronts-jaguar-18075784 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/moment-anglesey-farmer-confronts-jaguar-18075784)
I do hope the police deal with him, he looks as if he should know better. $angry$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 11, 2020, 11:38:52 am
It has been reported to the Police so I hope that they follow it up and give him his marching orders.      Personally,  I thought that the farmer was very calm and polite and if I was in his shoes I think that I would have left the farmer's vehicle there as there is no other exit out of that lane.and wait for the Police to be called.
If that blue Jaguar is still in Anglesey then it will be very conspicuous to the locals
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 11, 2020, 12:59:06 pm
Hugo, he did mention Menai Bridge so he won’t be far away.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2020, 01:32:52 pm
For different reasons, British Railways used to offer a Passengers' Luggage in Advance service.
For a fair time, Virgin did it, too. But gradually most luggage forwarding systems closed in favour of Send My Bag. Originally a student baggage shipping service it's now grown into a major international company that ships luggage ahead and we've used it a few times in the past. It's always been reliable except for one time when they said that the airline they used had reported the bag in question was a suitcase nine feet long. Turned out the handler had messed up the laser measurer.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 11, 2020, 02:03:47 pm
In Times past, an uncle who worked at Rhos Abbey, took a hand cart to and from Colwyn Bay station for the hotel guests luggage, I believe at that time the prom road was just a track,... I wonder if that job was on offer today, how long the queue would be.  _))*
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 11, 2020, 02:16:05 pm
Hugo, he did mention Menai Bridge so he won’t be far away.

Was he telling lies though Bri?       In any event he had no right to be there and it would have served him right if that gentleman farmer had blocked the lane and waited for the Police to arrive just like they did in a similar incident in Bala
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 11, 2020, 04:23:13 pm
Vandals who painted "go home" on holiday homes targeted properties that were set aside for key workers.

North Wales Police said the properties on Pwllheli North Quay, which were daubed in graffiti overnight, were actually being offered out to those helping fight the coronavirus outbreak.

Many locals have slammed the act of vandalism, and the police have now issued a statement asking those who carried it out to think of the workers who were due to move in.

A spokesman said: "Today, we have been called to an incident in Pwllheli, where holiday accommodation has been vandalised. These homes are being offered to key workers who cannot go home to their families.   cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/pwllheli-go-home-vandals-targeted-18078709 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/pwllheli-go-home-vandals-targeted-18078709)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 11, 2020, 06:02:34 pm
North Wales Bargain Booze asks customers to prove they're local as it clamps down on tourists.     It's not an over reaction because they all know that there are many people breaking the rules and living at caravan camps in the area such as the ones near Black Rock Sands and Morfa Bychan.      Why don't the Police do something about it as they are local and living in the area too


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-bargain-booze-asks-18079029 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-bargain-booze-asks-18079029)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 11, 2020, 06:23:12 pm
Hugo, he did mention Menai Bridge so he won’t be far away.

Was he telling lies though Bri?       In any event he had no right to be there and it would have served him right if that gentleman farmer had blocked the lane and waited for the Police to arrive just like they did in a similar incident in Bala

I wonder where that Jaguar driver actually lives because the car looks like it was registered in the Chester to Shrewsbury area,  I don't suppose that he was telling Porkies by any chance?     
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 12, 2020, 10:21:23 am
An 18-year-old is arrested after breaching restrictions (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52258098) for a sixth time.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2020, 11:00:35 am
An 18-year-old is arrested after breaching restrictions (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52258098) for a sixth time.

Looking at the various web cams and sites, this morning, our roads and airways are empty, a lot like the above XXXXXX brain.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 12, 2020, 11:58:20 am
I looked as well Steve and the roads look empty but I think that the tourists are coming in using roads that are not monitored.     The West Shore has a few people there this morning enjoying a walk or walking their dogs.
I'd like to be there also but it's a bit too far for my once a day exercise although I did notice on the web cam that people are still driving there despite the restrictions
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 13, 2020, 12:24:23 pm
Two men from Hull who were camping above Trefriw, one of whom threatened the landowner with a stick.  They not only broke the rules on lockdown by firstly travelling to N Wales and then allegedly "staying with family in Trefriw"  they threatened the landowner physically and verbally and left the place in a mess and this is the action the Police took

"They were given advice regarding not being at their home address, and requested to return home or face prosecution.

"The men apologised and left, and we consider the matter closed.”



://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sickening-moment-man-levels-stick-18080891
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 14, 2020, 10:34:32 pm
More idiots on Snowdon,   I just hope that the Police checked the car as well as the three men

https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18378174.three-walkers-ignore-government-advice-travel-birkenhead-pen-y-pass-walk-snowdon/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18378174.three-walkers-ignore-government-advice-travel-birkenhead-pen-y-pass-walk-snowdon/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions
Post by: SteveH on April 15, 2020, 02:49:19 pm
Would anybody on here consider going abroad, before vaccines were available ?

Travel to Spain, Italy, Turkey and Greece - what they say about when tourists can return
Their governments have announced when they expect holidaymakers to return to their shores.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/travel-spain-italy-turkey-greece-18094257 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/travel-spain-italy-turkey-greece-18094257)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2020, 08:34:14 pm
Much would depend where to, what sort of trip etc. I wouldn't see a problem of a self catering holiday, the biggest threat would be the air travel in getting there unless you could drive. Then it's just a case of staying to the social distancing recommendations that are in place here.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 16, 2020, 11:10:10 am
Much would depend where to, what sort of trip etc. I wouldn't see a problem of a self catering holiday, the biggest threat would be the air travel in getting there unless you could drive. Then it's just a case of staying to the social distancing recommendations that are in place here.
I think that air travel, would be just the start of my worries, but my traveling days are over, and I do not envy those having to decide.

Talking of air travel, here is another point to ponder............

Eastern Europeans to be flown in to pick fruit and veg
Eastern European farm workers are being flown to the UK on charter flights to pick fruit and vegetable crops.
Air Charter Service has told the BBC that the first flight will land on Thursday in Stansted carrying 150 Romanian farm workers.

The firm told the BBC that the plane is the first of up to six set to operate between mid-April and the end of June.

Government department Defra said it was encouraging people across the UK "to help bring the harvest in".

British farmers recently warned that crops could be left to rot in the field because of a shortage of seasonal workers from Eastern Europe. Travel restrictions due to the coronavirus lockdown have meant most workers have stayed at home.

Several UK growers have launched a recruitment drive, calling for local workers to join the harvest to prevent millions of tonnes of fruit and vegetables going to waste. However, concerns remain that they won't be able to fulfil the demand on farms.
cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 16, 2020, 12:38:20 pm
 
Quote
I think that air travel, would be just the start of my worries, but my travelling days are over, and I do not envy those having to decide.

Talking of air travel, here is another point to ponder............

[b]Eastern Europeans to be flown in to pick fruit and veg[/b]
Eastern European farm workers are being flown to the UK on charter flights to pick fruit and vegetable crops.
Air Charter Service has told the BBC that the first flight will land on Thursday in Stansted carrying 150 Romanian farm workers
.

The firm told the BBC that the plane is the first of up to six set to operate between mid-April and the end of June.

Government department Defra said it was encouraging people across the UK "to help bring the harvest in".

British farmers recently warned that crops could be left to rot in the field because of a shortage of seasonal workers from Eastern Europe. Travel restrictions due to the coronavirus lockdown have meant most workers have stayed at home.

Several UK growers have launched a recruitment drive, calling for local workers to join the harvest to prevent millions of tonnes of fruit and vegetables going to waste. However, concerns remain that they won't be able to fulfil the demand on farms.
cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061)

Steve that is an absolutely disgraceful thing that the Government is doing.       Are these Roumanians all going to be tested for Covid 19 before being allowed into the UK and as for not having enough UK workers available that's ridiculous.    How many UK people are unemployed at present and as the situation is serious what about conscripting the physically and healthy long term unemployed to do some work for a change.    It's mad, absolutely mad.     150 Roumanians coming in and how many will be going back I wonder
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 16, 2020, 02:22:21 pm
My first impression, was if they arrived with a temperature, they would isolate here, but that has the potential outcome of increasing the NHS work load by thousands.

"Are these Romanians all going to be tested for Covid 19 before being allowed into the UK"

"The firm has been working closely with Public Health England on safe transport arrangements and the group will be fully screened on arrival in the UK. Anyone found to have a temperature will be quarantined."      (To late by then)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 16, 2020, 02:41:14 pm
Hugo: the problem is that very few UK natives would be prepared to do the work.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 16, 2020, 02:52:45 pm
"The firm has been working closely with Public Health England on safe transport arrangements and the group will be fully screened on arrival in the UK. Anyone found to have a temperature will be quarantined."      (To late by then)

Unbelievable!      It sounds like a sketch from Yes Minister        &shake&

They can fully screen these Roumanians but can't fully screen our own NHS staff who put their lives on the line on a daily basis.
Why can't they screen a workforce of 150 UK people?       There must be enough volunteers, people on Furlough or able bodied long term unemployed who could do the job
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 16, 2020, 02:56:50 pm
Hugo: the problem is that very few UK natives would be prepared to do the work.

Then make them do the job Ian.    In wartime they would have to and this must be the nearest that we have seen that is similar to it.
Too many people expect something for nothing and are prepared to live off the efforts of others.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 16, 2020, 04:39:22 pm
Easter fines for lockdown rule breakers
North Wales Police issued 26 fines over the Easter Weekend to those breaking the rules during the coronavirus lockdown.

The fixed penalty notices were issued between April 10, and April 13 (Good Friday to Easter Monday) - according to the NPCC (National Police Chiefs' Council).
On March 26, the Government announced new public health regulations to reduce the spread of coronavirus. These measures entitled officers to issue individuals with £60 fines if they failed to comply after officers had engaged with them, explained the risks to public health and encouraged voluntary compliance.    ref Pioneer

Coronavirus fines: Lancashire Police issues most lockdown penalties
Deputy Chief Constable Sara Glen said Lancashire Police handed out the most with 380 due to "barbecues, parties and Blackpool beaches", followed by Thames Valley with 219 and Surrey with 205.

cont.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52301650 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52301650)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on April 17, 2020, 05:34:47 am
The trouble is Uk workers are not capable of doing this farm work. British farmers have not got the time to train them before the harvest is ready.

These people have been doing the job for years in the UK and are skilled at it so can get to work immediately.

You want your fruit and veg then by bringing these workers in is the only way to get it. Believe me.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on April 17, 2020, 09:54:47 am
I know it's a little bit late, but just seen this in another publication!

An inch of snow – no one goes to work
Slight cold – everyone calls in sick
World Pandemic when we should all stay at home - everyone b***ers off up Snowdon.
The lack of common sense in this country is frightening.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 17, 2020, 10:37:09 am
I take your point Mull and you are probably correct but let's face it,  it is only unskilled manual labour nothing that can't be taught in the future, if time doesn't allow  for it this year

Let's turn it on its head and ask why there are so many foreign staff in the NHS?        Why can't the UK train its own people to do the work instead of making obstacles for them to become NHS  staff?
The answer is that it is cheaper to import nursing staff that have already been trained in their country of origin than it is to train staff for that job in the UK
With the people doing the harvesting I think that the principle is the same, it's cheaper than employing uk labour
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 17, 2020, 11:37:30 am
The NHS argument is certainly correct.       
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 17, 2020, 12:37:47 pm
Years ago the Nurses were trained on site and they lived in Nurses Homes.      The homes were all over N Wales apparently, not that I knew where they where         ;)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on April 17, 2020, 01:23:21 pm
Isallt in Abbey Road was supposed to have been one.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 17, 2020, 02:09:29 pm
Hasn't Isallt been turned into another type of accommodation in recent years?     
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on April 17, 2020, 06:01:23 pm
yes....and we won't go down that road !
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on April 18, 2020, 02:30:09 pm
Easter fines for lockdown rule breakers
North Wales Police issued 26 fines over the Easter Weekend to those breaking the rules during the coronavirus lockdown.

The fixed penalty notices were issued between April 10, and April 13 (Good Friday to Easter Monday) - according to the NPCC (National Police Chiefs' Council).
On March 26, the Government announced new public health regulations to reduce the spread of coronavirus. These measures entitled officers to issue individuals with £60 fines if they failed to comply after officers had engaged with them, explained the risks to public health and encouraged voluntary compliance.    ref Pioneer

Coronavirus fines: Lancashire Police issues most lockdown penalties

Deputy Chief Constable Sara Glen said Lancashire Police handed out the most with 380 due to "barbecues, parties and Blackpool beaches", followed by Thames Valley with 219 and Surrey with 205.

cont.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52301650 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52301650)

It appears to me that NWP are either better judges of a situation or are too thin on the ground to catch the transgressors.
That said, by and large what I have seen whilst out and about on my daily exercise or weekly shopping trip has been compliance to the social distancing rules. That said, I haven't been very far at all.
As a law abiding citizen ( OK, I have been known to break the speed limits on open roads) I am getting rather fed up of some of the nonsensical rulings, particularly those decided by the police who have absolutely no mandate to make rules, just to enforce them. I was critical of those that condemned the police in the early days but I do believe those who warned of the permanent loss of liberty might not be quite so far fetched as I thought. I never had any objections to an identity card but the NHS tracking app worries me.
Our UK government has been slow and weak in their decision making, the Welsh Assembly was more decisive but come on, why should exercise be restricted to once a day? If I'm allowed to go on an 8 hour walk, why not two 30 minute ones? If I'm decorating paint is an essential item and it will certainly keep me within the confines of my own home. If Aldi, B&M and all the others that are open and are selling plants and bags of compost why can't my local garden centre. All those supposedly non essential hobbyist items would keep people off the streets too and if some stores can effectively organise social distancing why can't they all? Everyone needs food but what we are doing is funnelling everyone into the same shops who might otherwise have gone elsewhere and reduced the risk of cross contamination. Let's face it some of those supposedly organised stores that are open are a bit of a social distancing nightmare once you are allowed inside anyway.
We must give more credit to the public, and allow them to decide what is safe and what isn't. That said however, we need to protect the staff who are given the task of looking after those who get sick. That is the biggest dilemma. It's all very well clapping and cheering every Thursday night but the majority of us have no comprehension of what it's like to work in a hospital or infected care home. I don't think many of us have experienced the fear of going to work with the risk of death as a result. The fact that some people don't care about social distancing in the selfish belief that if they catch the virus they'll survive anyway is an outrage. If only the whole population had the same values of the majority who care we might be able to lead more normal lives. That's why we need rules, meaningful rules that actually make sense. We need politicians to lead by example and lay it on the line what we need to do and to apply common sense whilst they are at it. We also need to be told the truth, not given false impressions. I'm pretty positive I watched Matt Hancock state that they would achieve 100,000 tests per day by the end of the month, that has I'm told been changed to a "blue skies" objective  not one they hoped to achieve.
I am one of the lucky ones who live in a nice part of the country, have a decent private space and don't risk loosing my job or business. If I'm frustrated, I can only imagine how those who are not as lucky as I am are feeling.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 19, 2020, 09:52:18 am
Trouble is that it mixes several sources of information, almost all unreliable. What's worrying is that there's some truth in there, but most people using FB will simply nod sagely and say 'I thought so."

It shouldn't really be in this topic, so I"m going to move it into scams.

For clarity, I'm referring to a post by Snowcap which I've now moved.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 19, 2020, 11:21:36 am
There is an awful lot of truth and common sense in what you say Dave.   Take the Garden Centres as an example, I was at Tal Goed and Snowdonia Nurseries just after Mother's Day and they had thousands of pounds worth of plants on display and then the lockdown came.
Surely if you ban the cafes and non gardening bits they still could have remained open and operated safely as the shops are doing.   I do feel sorry for them because some of those plants can't be saved
As for the NWP  they are too thin on the ground and in Porthmadog for instance the second home owners and tourists are coming in in droves and that is not hearsay but from someone in the know
As for Politicians, group them with Bankers and Property Developers and don't trust them and you won't be disappointed
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 20, 2020, 11:42:43 am
Forward thinking..........

Vending machines selling face masks and other hygiene products have begun to be installed across Poland, as the country prepares for tightened regulations requiring people to wear a face covering in public.
https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/04/10/vending-machines-selling-masks-appear-across-poland-as-face-covering-made-compulsory/

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 20, 2020, 07:56:08 pm
"On Friday, US president Donald Trump posted a series of tweets endorsing protests against social distancing measures in Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia. Over the weekend, more protests took place, including in Denver, Colorado, where nurses stood in the road to block drivers on the way to gatherings.

An investigation by the Washington Post found that the protests were promoted using Facebook groups set up by a small group of far-right, pro-gun activists with ties to the husband of education secretary Betsy DeVos. More than 95 per cent of Democrat and 70 per cent of Republican voters support stay-at-home measures, according to recent polling."


From New Scientist
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 21, 2020, 10:50:05 am
Quote
New police rules on when you can leave home are slammed
"These new guidelines ... are hugely unhelpful in the efforts we are making in rural Britain to stop people travelling to our communities and spreading this virus."

The National Rural Crime Network (NRCN) – which represents more than 30 police and crime commissioners who oversee countryside areas – has called for an “urgent review” of the latest advice issued to officers by the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) and the College of Policing (CoP) which used examples compiled by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
cont    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/new-police-rules-you-can-18111125 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/new-police-rules-you-can-18111125)

We talked the other day about lockdown guidelines being misleading, I noticed this story in the Pioneer this morning......

Can I take a taxi under lockdown?
Taxis are still operating during the current lockdown. However, taxis may only be taken for the following “essential” purposes, as outlined by the government:

For travelling to and from work if you can’t do it from home

For taking one form of exercise a day, alone or with members of your household                &shake&

Shopping for basic necessities (though trips should be kept to a minimum)

Attending medical appointments or providing care for a vulnerable person

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18393310.rules-getting-taxi-lockdown-government-says/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18393310.rules-getting-taxi-lockdown-government-says/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on April 21, 2020, 01:58:13 pm
I also noticed on TV last night the corvid Welsh language government advert ( obviously Welsh Assembly one) was categoric in saying no way can you drive to beauty spots for exercise. Contradicts the one the NPCC (National Police Chiefs' Council) decided to issue last week ( which has since been criticised by various other official bodies but no definitive ruling made or changed)

Who pays for the adverts on TV? They are constant, even have English and Welsh ones in the same break. I know you could pay £100K for a peak time 30 second advert 20 years ago, wonder what they pay now?

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 21, 2020, 06:15:08 pm
Who pays for the adverts seems irrelevant in the greater picture but the messages should be the same.        I agree with the message from the Welsh Government and think that the one by the NPCC is too premature and open to misinterpretation.
So the way it has been put means that drivers  who think that coming over the border from England to one of Wales' beauty spots for an exercise walk is ok are mistaken and will be issued with a fine by the North Wales Police.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 21, 2020, 06:55:03 pm
This is the message from the North Wales Police today, but look at the link below it.     The message from the Wales Government is loud and clear and in my opinion the Police should have issued fines not tried to educate the idiots, they were well aware of what they were doing and perhaps they should have breathalised the driver too

“It is not regarded as essential travel to drive to the National Park and other beauty spots to walk or exercise. Neither is it essential travel to drive to second and holiday homes. Please stay in your primary residence. North Wales will still be here once the pandemic is over and we look forward to getting things back to normal and welcoming people back as soon as we can."

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/you-couldnt-make-up-polices-18126835 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/you-couldnt-make-up-polices-18126835)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 22, 2020, 03:14:20 am
Tough new second home owners lockdown on the way


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tough-new-second-home-owner-18124962 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tough-new-second-home-owner-18124962)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on April 22, 2020, 09:51:42 am
Tough new second home owners lockdown on the way


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tough-new-second-home-owner-18124962 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tough-new-second-home-owner-18124962)

It would be interesting to see how many imported cases there have been as a result of people disobeying the lockdown rules. Gwynedd has overtaken Conwy according to the figures.
Second homes, now that's an interesting one anyway. Chequers,Windsor Castle, Balmoral, then there's all those other wealthy folk including health ministers and officials that have done a runner against their own instructions too!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 22, 2020, 02:26:04 pm
Further action taken to deter people flouting lockdown rules at Conwy Nature Reserve.

PEOPLE have been spotted breaking lock down rules at a Conwy Nature Reserve.

Despite RSPB North Wales closing down all of their reserves, car parks, toilets and visitor centres on March 24 to follow Government guidelines, a number of people continue to visit the Conwy RSPB near the roundabout in Llandudno Junction.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18397033.action-taken-deter-people-flouting-lockdown-rules-conwy-nature-reserve/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18397033.action-taken-deter-people-flouting-lockdown-rules-conwy-nature-reserve/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 23, 2020, 10:55:36 am
Senior doctors from across Wales have written to the first minister calling on him to make using second homes illegal during the Covid-19 pandemic.

In the letter, the 15 clinicians warn non-essential travel to the homes is "highly likely" to increase the presence of coronavirus in rural areas.
Mark Drakeford has said ministers are considering strengthening regulations on people travelling to second homes.

On Monday, he said more details will be announced by the end of the week.
All non-essential travel, including to second homes, is illegal under the current rules.

cont   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52055456 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52055456)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 24, 2020, 04:45:22 pm
'Many' walkers spotted heading for North Wales beauty spot - but police were waiting for them

People are still flouting coronavirus lockdown rules and travelling to North Wales, according to a leading councillor.

Gwynedd council deputy leader Dafydd Meurig wrote on Twitter that people had been spotted heading to Aber Falls near Abergwyngregyn.

He thanked North Wales Police (NWP) for turning them back and urged people to stay away until it is safe to visit.

Cllr Meurig said: "Some people still visiting our area - many from Liverpool and beyond spotted walking to Aber Falls.

"Thank you @NWPolice for turning cars back today. Parked cars will be pulled in and fined on their way home.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/many-walkers-spotted-heading-north-18143071 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/many-walkers-spotted-heading-north-18143071)


The strict new lockdown rules in Wales explained
The Welsh Government has laid down a new set of regulations in a bid to stop coronavirus from spreading further

The statement was issued to inform residents of the new guidance and also to provide clarity for people about the lockdown measures and restrictions currently in place.

It means tighter regulations in some areas and relaxed measures in other instances.

One of the main groups affected by the new legislation are people with more than one property.

However, many other people are also bound to feel the impact of the new measures.

We've broken down the new rules in the list below.       cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/strict-new-lockdown-rules-wales-18143669 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/strict-new-lockdown-rules-wales-18143669)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 25, 2020, 03:22:07 pm
People could have to choose 10 friends and family for 'lockdown bubble'
It would mean close family and friends, and couple who don't live together could see each other.

People meeting up with up to ten of their closest family and friends could be the next step of lockdown if rules are relaxed.

It is reported UK ministers are looking to ease the strict stay at home restrictions currently in place to allow small gatherings of people between no more than two households.
It would mean close family and friends, and couples who don't live together could see each other for the first time in five weeks.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/people-could-chose-10-friends-18149400 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/people-could-chose-10-friends-18149400)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on April 25, 2020, 03:39:53 pm
I do hope this is allowed soon.

I have a big birthday in a couple of weeks time and our first grandchild was born a couple of months ago.

For the past five weeks, we have had to make do with daily photos and videos being sent to us and they only live in Jubilee Street.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on April 25, 2020, 03:47:26 pm
Umm ... our daughter had a baby two weeks ago, little brother for our other grandson.  So, by that ease of restrictions perhaps my wife and I could visit daughter, son-in-law and now two grandsons.

Somehow I don't think we'd be allowed - as they live in Liverpool, plus I am over 70 !!  My car has a full tank of fuel so I won't come into contact with anyone to get there and back, although my car does stand out a bit so would likely attract police presence!

What is annoying is that my daughter's neighbour also had a baby a few weeks ago, and family members who live local are always dropping in.

I have always been critical about social media but it has proved good this last few weeks, with Facetime and Zoom.

The only way we can be clear is for everyone to get tested, and everyone negative - but that just won't happen.
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Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 25, 2020, 05:42:40 pm
I know two families that see their relatives but one is responsible in that they insist that the visiting relative(s)  sit in the garden and are over two metres apart from them.  Also they insist on staggering the meetings with other family members.
Another family is not quite so responsible and flout the regulations bringing in relatives from Bradford or where ever to come and stay with them for the duration of the lockdown.   
How many of them live under the one roof no one knows but there are a lot and even have a bed in the hallway
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 26, 2020, 08:30:04 am
Coronavirus: 'Going to buy drugs' among lockdown breach excuses


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52386123 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52386123)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 26, 2020, 03:46:57 pm
North Wales Police #StayHomeSaveLives   ref BBC
@NWPolice

A group of 10 stopped in 2 vehicles on A5 #Bethesda earlier, having travelled from London with the intent of going for a walk in Snowdonia.

Told to return home immediately and escorted back to the A55 by @NWPRPU. Reported for breaching #COVID19 legislation.#StayHome

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 26, 2020, 05:46:18 pm
I just trust that the Police have checked the cars and the drivers out before sending them home.       A similar bunch of idiots were stopped in Mid Wales and sent packing only for the Police to find them half an hour later after they had doubled back and gone to another location there
I hope that these London idiots don't try the same trick
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 26, 2020, 06:06:07 pm
Abusive tourist from Cumbria stopped by armed Police on the A55.     

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/abusive-tourist-who-travelled-180-18153596 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/abusive-tourist-who-travelled-180-18153596)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 27, 2020, 10:18:13 am
North Wales Police
Birthday treat for Arthur
Friday 24 Apr 2020

 Officers from West Conwy made an old man very happy when they arranged for him to walk along the beach in Conwy on his birthday.

Arthur Hughes has walked the same route daily with his dog Cassie for the past five years, but when the lockdown was implemented five weeks ago everything had to change for everyone.

In a bid to make her father’s 78th birthday a little special Michelle Stockham contacted the West Conwy team and asked if they could arrange for the barrier on the beach car park to be lifted for a short time.

“Dad is not in the best of health and hasn’t been his usual cheery self since not being able to get out, so when the officers arranged to meet us at the car park it made his day very special.”

“He had a lovely time. He just sat on the bench in his favourite place overlooking Deganwy with Cassie and reflected on things. He absolutely loved it and I can’t thank the officers enough for their kindness.”

“They have gone above and beyond to make one man and his dog very happy. What they have done means so much,” said Michelle.

The team in Conwy responded:  “It was a lovely request and we loved the opportunity to help the family make Arthur’s day special.”
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 27, 2020, 03:39:27 pm
Most enjoyable day in the garden............ now guess why I am now inside on the computer, with the house shut up tight, all day long there has been the odd whiff, this one wins the "Smoker" of the week.      $angry$

Residents with breathing problems becoming 'prisoners in their own homes' as neighbours burn rubbish

Concerns have been raised that homeowners, are having clear-outs while on lockdown and setting small fires to get rid of waste.

But for some, it means they can't enjoy their own gardens or homes, because they suffer with issues such as asthma and emphysema and can't tolerate the smoke, please consider your neighbours and don’t have any fires.                              refDP
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Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 28, 2020, 10:23:43 am
Two men caught fishing during lockdown sparked an emergency response.

The Llandudno Coastguard and Conwy Lifeboat team were called shortly after 12pm yesterday (Sunday) to a report a boat was potentially adrift in the Conwy Bay area.

But when the vessel was located by the lifeboat crew off Penmaenmawr, members discovered it was two people on a Sunday fishing trip - despite the coronavirus lockdown regulations.

"The incident was then passed onto North Wales Police.                   ref DP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 28, 2020, 10:54:39 am
Let's hope that the Police caught up with those thoughtless people and dealt out a fine as well as a stiff warning.   
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 28, 2020, 10:57:07 am
Let's hope that the Police caught up with those thoughtless people and dealt out a fine as well as a stiff warning.   
I think they let them off the hook.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 28, 2020, 11:12:39 am
That's wrong Steve, they should have put them in their plaice
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on April 28, 2020, 11:14:13 am
I suspect gutting and filleting would be too good.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 28, 2020, 12:11:22 pm
Perhaps the Police should pay a visit to Greenacres by Black Rock Sands as the message about Coronavirus hasn't sunk in there anyway


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/havens-hafan-y-mor-greenacres-18162022 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/havens-hafan-y-mor-greenacres-18162022)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 28, 2020, 02:54:26 pm
2:30pm
Health advice remains the same
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18409843.coronavirus-latest-uk-falls-silent-key-workers-lost-lives/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18409843.coronavirus-latest-uk-falls-silent-key-workers-lost-lives/)

The above piece has many links, possible of interest embedded in the 2:30 report, I have linked only one, please check above.

PRESS RELEASE
Revised coronavirus rules for Wales unveiled
The stay-at-home regulations have been revised in Wales to continue to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The Welsh Government is changing the core requirement for people not to leave the place where they live to a requirement not to leave or remain away from that place.

This will help clarify that people who leave their home with a reasonable excuse – such as going out to shop for food, for healthcare or for work – cannot remain outside to do other things.

There are some new arrangements that allow people with particular health conditions or disabilities to leave home to exercise more than once a day. This will help families with children with learning disabilities and autism in particular.

The changes come as First Minister Mark Drakeford will today announce a new framework and seven key questions to help lead Wales out of the pandemic.

Full report     https://gov.wales/revised-coronavirus-rules-for-wales-unveiled (https://gov.wales/revised-coronavirus-rules-for-wales-unveiled)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on April 29, 2020, 05:35:26 pm
Two charged after tyres of cars belonging to key workers and disabled people slashed

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/two-charged-after-tyres-cars-18172162 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/two-charged-after-tyres-cars-18172162)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2020, 12:28:55 pm
Two charged after tyres of cars belonging to key workers and disabled people slashed

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/two-charged-after-tyres-cars-18172162 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/two-charged-after-tyres-cars-18172162)

They weren't even kids for goodness sake. Glad to see they are named and shamed, hope the local community treat them as pariahs and the authorities treat them with the severity it deserves. Several weeks of solid community service wearing suitable identifiable clothing, take away their benefits including any furlough monies they might be receiving too. We shouldn't have to put up with these waste of space people in our community.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2020, 12:31:10 pm
I was standing waiting for my turn to approach the till in the extremely well organised and signed Penrhyn Bay Co-op this morning when the lady in the isle behind me stopped to choose some bread. The woman behind her decided she’d get ahead of her in the queue to pay brushing past her within a foot.
The following one sided conversation took place:-

Me to woman:
“What exactly don’t you understand about the 2m rule? You just brushed past that lady within a foot.”

No reply, in fact she turned around and started looking at the fixture behind her.

Me to woman

“You might well turn your back to me because you should be ashamed of yourself. Patience is a virtue”

She continued avoiding looking at me.

Everyone heard me, it was intended.
When I took my turn at the till I thanked the staff member, told her to stay safe as she was as much at risk as front line NHS workers to which she thanked me for my concern and appreciation.

If we are to get through this virus it’s time to stand up and make it know when people are ignoring the social distancing rules.It’s no wonder that the authorities are hesitant about relaxing them but the messages that are coming across don’t make this point.Stay your distance and keep your freedom otherwise it’s back to trying a stricter kind of lockdown with even less freedom to go out.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 01, 2020, 12:45:41 pm
Well said....  &well&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 01, 2020, 12:51:06 pm
Good on you Dave     $good$        What part of the social distancing rules don't these people understand?

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Meleri on May 01, 2020, 01:21:53 pm
Yes well done Dave  $good$, wish I had been as brave last week. I got elbowed out of the way by a well known Conwy shopkeeper, when he wanted to get in the fridge for milk. He obviously thinks he is above the rest of us when shopping. When approached by another customer as he tried to jump the queue near the checkout he said ' I only wanted milk & cash from the ATM' as if that was a good enough excuse to behave in such an anti social way. I did notice he wasn't wearing gloves, so had he got the virus he would have left it all over the ATM.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 02, 2020, 10:29:06 am
A group of people from Merseyside who travelled to have a picnic at a Welsh beauty spot have been slammed by police.

The group were discovered by North Wales Police's Conwy and Denbigh officers in the Betws-y-coed area of Conwy enjoying a picnic.

Officers said the group had been reported for breaching the coronavirus rules.     cont  https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/merseyside-groups-picnic-party-broken-18187937 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/merseyside-groups-picnic-party-broken-18187937)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 05, 2020, 02:59:20 pm
Biker who came out to North Wales for " a spin"   ends up in hospital and is booked for breaking the Coronavirus regulations

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/biker-north-wales-a-spin-18202886 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/biker-north-wales-a-spin-18202886)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 05, 2020, 03:43:12 pm
Biker who came out to North Wales for " a spin"   ends up in hospital and is booked for breaking the Coronavirus regulations
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/biker-north-wales-a-spin-18202886 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/biker-north-wales-a-spin-18202886)

Very selfish, taking up valuable time, medical, ambulance and police staff, during lockdown, extra large fine.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 06, 2020, 10:47:24 am
Police stop lockdown rule breakers from London, Manchester and Merseyside exercising in North Wales
North Wales Police said all were reported to court after coming to the region to swim or walk.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-lockdown-rule-breakers-18206197 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-lockdown-rule-breakers-18206197)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 07, 2020, 10:27:59 am
There is a piece in today's Pioneer, possible upcoming changes, one important thing stands out, and it could make a mockery, of our local lockdown measures.

8:36am
What is likely to change as lockdown measures are eased and what isn’t?

– What will change?

It appears initial changes will focus around the amount of time people are allowed to spend outside.

Reports suggest that those using benches, having picnics or sunbathing will no longer be asked to move on, provided they keep two metres apart.

It means families may even be allowed to travel to the countryside for walks and day trips, as long as they follow social distancing rules.

You will have to scroll down to 8.30am of the report    https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18432883.coronavirus-latest-plans-easing-lockdown-set-unveiled/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18432883.coronavirus-latest-plans-easing-lockdown-set-unveiled/)


What police fear could happen next as experts discuss how to lift virus lockdown
Carl Foulkes says there is a worry that people will 'go back to their normal way of operating'


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-police-fear-could-happen-18210383 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-police-fear-could-happen-18210383)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 07, 2020, 12:11:52 pm
I've spoken to a few people about the easing of the lockdown and they have all expressed a greater fear of going out in the future than they have now.
A number of idiots are already flouting the regulations and will continue to do so when the lockdown is eased.     People need to be careful as the death rate from Covid 19  is already the second highest in the world and we don't need a second wave hitting the UK
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2020, 03:09:57 pm
The minority will always spoil it no matter what. I had another incident yesterday in Aldi. A woman just walked past everyone who was waiting patiently to progress down the aisles, however when she got to me I told her in no uncertain terms to get back. She asked me what my problem was and I replied "You!" Fair do's an Aldi staff member was in there like a shot and he told her to get back behind and wait her turn. She had told me she hadn't got all day to wait for others to do their shopping ( although in fact the end of the queue is where people wait their turn to pay). The most unbelievable bit was when we had moved on a while I asked why she was in such a hurry to get back to lockdown, her reply was she was off to the hospital to see her mother who is on oxygen but has been tested for Corvid and hasn't got it. I told her she soon would have if her daughter continued to flout the 2m distancing as she didn't know whether I might have it or any of the other people she'd walked past. I do despair.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 07, 2020, 04:22:51 pm
Well said Dave, we shouldn't have to put up with the antics of people like that.     The rules are there to try and stop this disease spreading and unless we all abide by them then unfortunately the Covid 19 could flare up again
A small country like the UK yet we have the second highest death rate in the world.  that information should be enough to make anyone abide by the rules
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on May 07, 2020, 06:05:09 pm
Well said Dave, we all patiently waited behind a chap who apologised for his slowness and said he was shopping for 3 people. Naturally a chap shoved past and tried to jump the queue, but the staff in Aldi firmly told him to take his turn. Well done to Aldi.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 07, 2020, 06:14:15 pm
A man from Leicester drives 180 to Snowdon to do his daily exercise, that's just unbelievable.        The article doesn't state whether the driver was reported or not for Coronavirus offences which is a pity that that point was not clarified.
The time for educating these type of offenders has long gone and everyone who offends should be prosecuted as we need to have faith in our Police Force.
It will be interesting to see how this coming Bank Holiday will pan out.      The Police and Traffic Wardens should be out in force to make sure that we don't have the same situation as we had in the previous Bank Holiday       


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/walker-drives-180-miles-snowdon-18215904 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/walker-drives-180-miles-snowdon-18215904)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 08, 2020, 04:22:21 am
Hugo, I wonder whether or not the traffic wardens are still working?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 08, 2020, 09:50:59 am
Probably not Bri, but I bet Kingdom Securities would jump at the chance of booking all those idiots.      We'll have to see over the weekend if education of these individuals works or if they really need the big stick
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 08, 2020, 01:50:21 pm
Lockdown restrictions in Wales to continue for further three weeks - with adjustments from Monday

People will be allowed to exercise more than once a day but they must not travel to do so, with the exercise beginning and ending at home.

The second change is to allow garden centres to reopen if they can observe social distancing rules.

Local authorities will also be able to begin planning how to open libraries and municipal recycling centres.
"These very cautious changes will apply to everyone other than the 120,000 people in the shielding group," Mr Drakeford said.

"We continue to urge people who are over 70, or who have an underlying health condition, or who are pregnant, to continue to take extra care."       

 cont    https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18436706.lockdown-restrictions-wales-continue-three-weeks---adjustments-monday/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18436706.lockdown-restrictions-wales-continue-three-weeks---adjustments-monday/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 09, 2020, 10:33:16 am
10:19 ref BBC
Clarity needed on garden centre visits, says police chief
North Wales Police and Crime Commissioner Arfon Jones said more clarity is needed to explain whether visiting a garden centre could be regarded as “essential travel”.

He was referring to changes in lockdown restrictions in Wales which, from Monday, will see some garden centres allowed to reopen.

“I was always under the impression that if you were going to travel you had to have a reasonable excuse to do so,” he told BBC Radio Wales.

“It does seem a bit contradictory. Is it essential to go to a garden centre ?But, obviously, if they are opening them, then I would hope that Welsh Government when they issue guidelines about the changes to legislation, that they explain that to us,” said Mr Jones.


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2020, 10:34:38 am
Indeed.  The question uppermost in our minds, certainly.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Meleri on May 09, 2020, 03:32:55 pm
Perhaps a few police patrolling the streets wouldn't go amiss to stop the unwelcome Grockles infiltrating the area. Today a car came down Bangor Road into Lancaster Square obviously the wrong way, where it was stopped by Mr M in its tracks. It turned up the entry by the Indian restaurant then backed into Bangor Road nearly hitting another car & sped off. Obviously not a local  &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 10, 2020, 01:15:10 pm
This should be fun, " locally "  does not appear to be specific, for instance Locally produced goods, anything up to 250 miles is considered local.


16:00 9 May   BBC
Driving to garden centres permitted from Monday
People can drive "locally" to garden centres from Monday, provided they comply to the 2m social distancing guidelines, the Welsh Government has confirmed.

It was urged to clarify whether visiting such centres could be regarded as "essential travel" by North Wales Police and Crime Commissioner Arfon Jones.

This was after changes in lockdown restrictions in Wales which will see some garden centres allowed to reopen next week.

A Welsh Government spokesperson said: “As the first minister said yesterday, some very minor adjustments will be made to the existing regulations from Monday which will allow

people to travel locally to garden centres provided they comply with the physical distancing requirements."

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 10, 2020, 01:21:20 pm
The idiots are still coming into Wales


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/uninsured-driver-travelling-wrexham-buy-18227681 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/uninsured-driver-travelling-wrexham-buy-18227681)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 11, 2020, 09:13:50 am
 Welsh Government: 'Don't drive here from England'     

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52614204?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52614204?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Meleri on May 11, 2020, 02:00:42 pm
A family from Warrington who own a second home in our cul de sac turned up over the weekend. They gardened & cleaned the windows & seemed oblivious to what is going on in the world. They were back out in the garden this morning cutting the lawn & then North Wales Police turn up. Now the blinds are drawn & the car has gone, let's hope they stay away until this is all over & they have been given a fine. I really don't think £60 is much of a deterrent though, what do others think?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 11, 2020, 03:09:05 pm
I agree the fine is to low, but I think the new rules, are going to result in more people being let off, because they can claim "Ignorance"

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-matt-lucas-video-mocking-boris-johnsons-speech-to-the-nation-goes-viral-11986438
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 11, 2020, 03:14:08 pm
The fines are no more than a slap on the wrist to the offender, it's not just that they have broken the rules, they have put other peoples lives at risk and could in fact put more pressure on the NHS
In Wales repeat offenders could only be fined a maximum of £120.00 whereas in England I think that the figure is about £960.00 and it's not good enough but thankfully these fines now seem to be increasing
When a car was parked in a lane by Trofarth recently the owner from Manchester came back to find "Stay at home" written in paint on the car and the Police quite rightly condemned that type of action.
My only comment on that incident is that if the car wasn't parked in Trofarth then the incident would never have happened and the car owner wouldn't be faced with a repair bill of £1000.00    They will certainly not do that again, whereas a fine of £30..00  is no deterrent.



https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-restrictions-on-exercise-and-work-to-be-relaxed-within-days-pm-says-11986181
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement.......................................UPDATED
Post by: SteveH on May 12, 2020, 10:59:58 am
A DP article this morning just shows the difficulties involved in getting the urgency through to the public.

                                    "North Wales holiday park inundated with booking calls after English lockdown relaxed
                                    Golden Sands in Rhyl said some callers wouldn't accept rules different in Wales"



PS   UPDATE

'Scrap the Senedd' - English MP hits out over differing lockdown rules

An English MP has bemoaned the fact that his constituents can’t travel to the seaside in Wales because of differing lockdown rules in England and Wales.

Daniel Kawczynski, Conservative MP for Shrewsbury, added that he felt the Senedd should be scrapped leading to a ‘political union’ between England and Wales.

He said: "The current gap emerging over this crisis results in the Prime Minister saying to my constituents you can now go for a walk on the beach, but you are prohibited from going across the frontier to get to our nearest coast.”

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=133060&headline=%27Scrap%20the%20Senedd%27%20-%20English%20MP%20hits%20out%20over%20differing%20lockdown%20rules&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020 (http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=133060&headline=%27Scrap%20the%20Senedd%27%20-%20English%20MP%20hits%20out%20over%20differing%20lockdown%20rules&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 12, 2020, 04:04:15 pm
Just to make it clear.......

"A Welsh Government spokesman confirmed that people can spend time with someone from another household - but only if it was not "pre-planned".

So for example, if you happened to come across a friend in a park while out exercising you would be allowed to join them for a walk, as long as you kept 2m apart. However, if you had organised to meet - that would break the rules."                             _))*    _))*
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 13, 2020, 11:02:38 am
Mrs H and I were discussing this subject yesterday, saying that those living in the English tourist spots, were going to be under similar pressure as ourselves, with the relaxation of the rules......


People in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire's coastal communities say an influx of visitors would be a "nightmare" after a change in travel restrictions.

The new rules, which come into force on Wednesday, say day trips to outdoor open spaces are permitted, and do not limit the distance people can travel.

Those living in seaside towns fear the change could put their health at risk.

Most facilities, from public toilets to cafes, along the almost 100-mile (160km) coastline remain closed.

Many of those who live along the coast are older - a group considered more vulnerable to serious complications if they are infected with coronavirus.
The over-60s represent about a third of the population in most of these seaside towns, according to the 2011 census.

cont   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52632545 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52632545)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 15, 2020, 12:35:04 pm
Wolverhampton man arrested in Barmouth

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-who-drove-100-miles-18255503 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-who-drove-100-miles-18255503)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 15, 2020, 01:13:33 pm
Welsh Government announces traffic light roadmap for exiting lockdown restrictions

A TRAFFIC light roadmap setting out how Wales could exit the coronavirus lockdown has been unveiled today by the First Minister, Mark Drakeford.

After almost two months of lockdown, the Welsh Government has set out its proposals for the next steps using the traffic light proposals and will be 'guided by science'.

The roadmap, 'Unlocking our society and economy: continuing the conversation', is part of a cautious, coherent approach to easing lockdown and builds on its sister paper, 'Leading Wales out of the coronavirus pandemic: a framework for recovery' published on April 24.

Details    https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18452131.welsh-government-announces-traffic-light-roadmap-exiting-lockdown-restrictions/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18452131.welsh-government-announces-traffic-light-roadmap-exiting-lockdown-restrictions/)


Will the traffic light system be confusing and difficult to enforce?

Mr Drakeford said:"It will have a degree of complexity but people navigate these complexities in their everyday lives," he said.

"As people are allowed to do more things outside their homes, the simple message of 'stay home' becomes harder to maintain.

"I don't envisage a period where people are doing foolish things to break the rules. The rules are there to enable us all to play our part.

"If we don't we're be back to square one."[/b]
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 16, 2020, 09:30:49 am
Will people listen this weekend?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52647847 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52647847)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on May 16, 2020, 12:35:54 pm
I know of one smart A*** that has drove down to London this morning, she thinks she's well educated 😡
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 16, 2020, 02:25:30 pm
I know of one smart A*** that has drove down to London this morning, she thinks she's well educated 😡

She thinks that she's well educated but her actions prove that she's arrogant if nothing else.     I spoke to someone yesterday and was very surprised to learn that the person was making a long and non essential car journey and had a ready made fictitious excuse in case they were stopped by the Police
These arrogant people seem to think that they are above the law
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on May 16, 2020, 04:04:20 pm
I am looking at her posts on FB slagging the police off, she went down for a protest in Hyde park, she's made up all posh upper class are there no riff raff. 😡
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 16, 2020, 04:31:45 pm
Norman the Police do look at social media so let's hope that they viewed that woman's facebook page.    The arrogance of that type of person is beyond belief
It serves them right if people report them to the Police and even the Police think the fines are far too low in Wales

On the subject of people coming to Wales from England this weekend, well they have already started to do so

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/holiday-home-owner-english-day-18262888 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/holiday-home-owner-english-day-18262888)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 16, 2020, 06:08:26 pm
Police stop 200 vehicles in Wrexham

NWP Wrexham Town
@NWPWrexhamTown
The roads are extremely busy today, over 200 vehicles stopped in an hour on Holt Road. Is your journey absolutely essential? Please stay home & stay safe 🚕🚐🚙🚛🚌🚚 #Wrexham #StayHome #StaySafe #EssentialTravelOnly
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 16, 2020, 07:06:32 pm
It is much less hassle to come by dinghy from Calais and get a lift from half way over,.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 17, 2020, 10:37:02 pm
They are still coming over in droves


https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18455783.family-11-travel-manchester-north-wales/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18455783.family-11-travel-manchester-north-wales/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 18, 2020, 09:36:46 am
The advantages of Facebook in this case

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/four-men-fined-sent-home-18266760 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/four-men-fined-sent-home-18266760)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 18, 2020, 10:59:40 am
No excuse for this stupid person what an extremely bad example to the people in Wales who are sticking to the rules of lockdown.

The Police must act on this and give her a fine as you can't educate people with that attitude


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/claims-ex-north-wales-tory-18266241 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/claims-ex-north-wales-tory-18266241)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 18, 2020, 02:52:08 pm
Aberystwyth Police tweeted: “Patrols at Borth and Ynyslas.

“Vehicle located – reported for travelling from Midlands area to walk dog.

“With assistance from @CeredigionRPU 376, reported for no insurance and no licence. Car seized and cannabis found.”

Obviously the message is not getting through so perhaps now the Welsh Government will increase the fines to match those of England

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=133101&headline=Visitors%20from%20England%20turned%20away%20from%20tourist%20hotspots&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020 (http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=133101&headline=Visitors%20from%20England%20turned%20away%20from%20tourist%20hotspots&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 18, 2020, 09:41:59 pm
Fines for breaching travel restrictions could rise


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52704929 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52704929)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 19, 2020, 03:33:05 pm
A covid-iot driver who broke lockdown rules to go for a spin ended up in a sticky situation.

Not only did they get their vehicle stuck in the mud, but they ended up being reported for breaching Covid-19 regulations.

Officers from North Wales Police's Wrexham Rural team tweeted about the incident.

Alongside a picture of the stricken vehicle, they wrote: "The occupants of this vehicle (whose decision making is as good as their driving) have been reported for breaching Covid regulations today.

"Why? Just why?"                                                                                                  ref DP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 19, 2020, 05:50:32 pm
A father and son got fined for driving into N Wales one weekend, then they did it again on the next weekend and were fined again.   Absolute idiots and I hope that apart from the fines the Police are checking everything about the car and driver



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/father-son-branded-unbelievable-travelling-18273409 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/father-son-branded-unbelievable-travelling-18273409)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 21, 2020, 08:29:22 am

Coronavirus: Maximum lockdown penalties rise to £1,920 in Wales

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52737374?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52737374?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2020, 10:10:10 am
Sadly, they've left the first fine at the same level.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 21, 2020, 10:13:24 am
Sadly, they've left the first fine at the same level.

Coronavirus: Maximum lockdown penalties rise to £1,920 in Wales

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52737374?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-52737374?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story)

Which makes this all the more worrying.....

Packed beaches in England could be a sign of what's to come in Wales once lockdown is lifted

Some of England's most popular beaches were packed with tourist today as the country enjoyed one of the hottest days of the year

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/packed-beaches-england-could-sign-18284488 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/packed-beaches-england-could-sign-18284488)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 21, 2020, 10:47:53 am
The Wales  lockdown fine of £60.00 should have been the same as the one in England but we'll have to see what happens over this Bank Holiday. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 22, 2020, 11:46:33 am
Anyone arriving in the UK from abroad could be fined £1,000 if they fail to self-isolate for 14 days, the government is expected to announce.

Under the plans, health officials would be able to carry out spot checks to check whether people were complying.

The new rules, which will also apply to British people returning from abroad, are not expected to come into force until next month.

Home Secretary Priti Patel will give more details at the daily briefing.

As part of the plans, which are aimed at guarding against a second wave of coronavirus infections, all arrivals would be asked to fill in a form with their contact information.

Road hauliers and medical officials would be exempt, as well as those arriving from the Republic of Ireland.

However, people travelling from France will not be exempt, the government has previously confirmed, after it was initially suggested otherwise.            cont   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52765054 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52765054)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 23, 2020, 12:34:56 pm
COVIDIOTS       the Daily Post has summed them up perfectly

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiots-caught-travelling-north-wales-18300411 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiots-caught-travelling-north-wales-18300411)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 23, 2020, 04:17:44 pm
You can blame Boris for not making things clearer. 

https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18471296.woman-asked-police-leave-north-wales-beach-says-boris-johnson-says-can/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18471296.woman-asked-police-leave-north-wales-beach-says-boris-johnson-says-can/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 23, 2020, 05:03:10 pm
Another Covidiot and they still keep coming

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/angler-caught-fishing-80-miles-18301416 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/angler-caught-fishing-80-miles-18301416)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 24, 2020, 12:52:14 pm
More Covidiots in the area, what don't they understand about the lockdown         It's a shame that the fines don't justify the time and effort by the Police in tracking these people

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-left-speechless-covidiot-campers-18303421 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-left-speechless-covidiot-campers-18303421)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 24, 2020, 06:41:27 pm
Just how thick and stupid some people can be.     This woman is on record and has broken lockdown rules and even carried out racists remarks against the Welsh but will the Police prosecute her for those remarks,  probably not?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/woman-anti-welsh-rant-after-18304237 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/woman-anti-welsh-rant-after-18304237)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 26, 2020, 10:11:10 am
A man drove almost 200 miles to North Wales from the east coast of England in lockdown, say police.

A tweet by North Wales Police Wrexham Rural said a man had apparently driven Glyn Ceiriog in Wrexham from the east coast, breaching the coronavirus lockdown regulations.

 "Officers have just arrested a male who had apparently driven to the Glyn Valley from the east coast, a journey of nearly 190miles.

"Suspected to be under the influence of drugs and his parking leads a lot to be desired."    ref DP

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 27, 2020, 04:29:46 pm
Ignorance is not an excuse in law but posting  racist rants on facebook is not only stupid it is illegal so I hope the Police deal with it like they would with any other racist cases


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-reviewing-womans-anti-welsh-18316559 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-reviewing-womans-anti-welsh-18316559)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 27, 2020, 06:54:52 pm
I doubt any action would be taken, since under the Race Relations Act 1965 the Welsh are not considered a "minority under threat".  However, in 1988 Denbighshire CC was taken to court under the act for requiring a social worker to be able to speak Welsh.  The judgement favoured the complainant. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on May 27, 2020, 11:40:44 pm
A poll shown on BBC Newsnight on Wednesday, and also on the ITV Peston show, illustrates that sixty five percent of people now believe that the Covid 19 enforcement measures are weakened and undermined by the actions of Dominic Cummings, and will be difficult to support from now on.

The effect of this man’s actions is going to have far reaching and dire consequences.

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 28, 2020, 09:42:48 am
Even more interesting is why he's not yet been fired...
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 28, 2020, 10:44:10 am
A poll shown on BBC Newsnight on Wednesday, and also on the ITV Peston show, illustrates that sixty five percent of people now believe that the Covid 19 enforcement measures are weakened and undermined by the actions of Dominic Cummings, and will be difficult to support from now on.
The effect of this man’s actions is going to have far reaching and dire consequences.
Hi Fester, His timing wasn't great, a country on lockdown for months, and the easing of restrictions, a ticking time bomb, as you say, dire.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 28, 2020, 11:38:50 am
A poll shown on BBC Newsnight on Wednesday, and also on the ITV Peston show, illustrates that sixty five percent of people now believe that the Covid 19 enforcement measures are weakened and undermined by the actions of Dominic Cummings, and will be difficult to support from now on.

The effect of this man’s actions is going to have far reaching and dire consequences.

Hi Fester, good to hear from you and hope that you are keeping safe and well in this present situation.
Quite honestly I am surprised how low that opinion poll was,   Cummings has undermined everything that has been done so far by the majority of the people.   His actions by going to Durham are debatable to say the least but the 30 mile drive to the Castle are indefensible    Driving while your vision is impaired is not only illegal it's just stupid and he broke the lockdown rules  in making that journey too.   The fact that it was his wife's birthday just makes the situation stink
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 28, 2020, 02:06:43 pm
Plenty of social distancing, but it is the busiest I have seen for awhile.




Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 28, 2020, 11:16:22 pm
Police send tourists back home

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-send-packing-tourists-north-18326755 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-send-packing-tourists-north-18326755)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 29, 2020, 09:24:40 am
Ignorant or just plain stupid?                    &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/daytrippers-flagged-down-cop-ask-18326347 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/daytrippers-flagged-down-cop-ask-18326347)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 29, 2020, 10:05:23 am
Police send tourists back home

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-send-packing-tourists-north-18326755 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-send-packing-tourists-north-18326755)

I don't know if it will make a difference, but the story is in the Liverpool Echo this morning, maybe that will help a little.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-send-liverpool-day-trippers-18328377 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-send-liverpool-day-trippers-18328377)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 29, 2020, 01:25:54 pm
Not all Covidiots drive into Wales!            &shake&


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52849560?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52849560?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 29, 2020, 01:42:21 pm
Not all Covidiots drive into Wales!            &shake&
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52849560?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52849560?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story)

SPEECHLESS......................
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on May 30, 2020, 12:31:51 am
Hi Ian, Hugo, et al...
I’m fine thanks, safe and well during these strange times.
You ask why Cummings wasn’t sacked for his deplorable conduct?
Well, from what I can gather, he and Boris have too much dirt on each other.
Each can cause irreparable damage to the other is so minded.
For example, it has been said that while Boris worked with Cummings wife, before they married, Boris exposed himself to her in the office environment. Similarly Carrie Symonds (soon to be Boris’s third wife), has some murky dealings with Cummings wife during their time together working on The Spectator.
It’s all very incestuous, unsavoury and unhealthy for our democracy.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on May 30, 2020, 08:06:21 am
... but is that relevant to today's situation - NO

... regardless of whether or not you like those in charge of the country or what they have done or said in the past it should not get in the way of the task in hand ... which is to deal with coronavirus.

... if you want to take anyone to task then aim your sights at the media with all their stirring ... how many would have complained about Cummings if the media, social or mainstream, hadn't hyped things so much and generated all the ill feeling?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2020, 11:06:16 am
Without the detailed media coverage we'd have known nothing about Cummings;  that's true, but I wonder if we're dismissing the advantages of a free press too quickly?

I agree that the first priority is sorting out the mess that has been created by those in charge ignoring repeated warnings about the pandemic. We are now officially the worst-served country in the world, going by deaths per million. Which seems odd, given we're one of the most advanced and the fifth major economy.

The point about a free press, however, is that it's a double-edged sword; it will do a lot of things we dislike and, by use of hints and innuendo, it will often convey misleading impressions on purpose.

But in a notionally free society, it will also uncover behaviours on the part of those making policy which seem to suggest those same people don't believe the rules should apply to them.

For example, it seems Cummings is not above lying (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-faces-questions-over-claim-he-warned-last-year-of-virus-threat), which could have serious consequences for all of us, if he's almost running the country.

So the decision we're all left with is whether we are happy to have the country effectively run by a known liar, by someone who believes the rules don't apply to him, or whether we'd be better off without a free press and proceeding happily towards the grave, knowing nothing about who was making the major decisions on which all our lives depend.

Personally, I'm not.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 30, 2020, 12:01:54 pm
It's not a case of whether we like the people in charge of the country or not, we live in a democracy and as such expect those people who lead us  to be beyond corruption.
It's not being unrealistic to expect those people to be honest and have integrity in the true meaning of the word.

The Government has given us a guideline to prevent and control the spread of the virus and it is our duty to adhere to that,   I know that you have abided  by the rules DVT and so have I but there is no excuse for what Cummings has done.     He's a liar and it's as simple as that and for a man in his position to say that he can'r remember whether or not  he stopped for petrol on the return journey is unbelievable.

I do criticise the press too but only because they never asked the questions "why didn't your wife drive"  or "had the Durham Police  checked the tracker on Cummings' car to check his story"
I don't know if there is any truth in the story Fester has mentioned but I have also heard that story a number of times and feel that there is more to come on both Cummings and on Boris too
I cannot understand why England has given unrestricted access for drivers whereas the other Home Nations have been more restrictive in the movement of people, perhaps it's to soften people's attitude to Cummings' action?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2020, 02:06:18 pm
There is no doubt in my mind that Cummings had no regard for any of the rules and having been caught out should have done the decent thing and resigned. Like those who have come and gone before him he could soon be reappointed and eventually sit in the Lords alongside Lord Mandelson.

As for having a liar running the country, well wouldn't be the first would he, either here or in many other countries either. If it was he who moulded the policies this government was elected on, and elected by a huge majority too, then a lot of people would be disappointed if they weren't followed through. He has no doubt made many enemies along the way, particularly in the press it seems, and they are now delighting in the chance to kick him. Might bring him down a peg or two but that's about all. I think you probably have to have an unpleasant side to your character to get to the top in so many areas of life and he's no exception.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on May 30, 2020, 05:21:42 pm
He should have put his hands up, paid his £60 fine and that would have been the end of the matter. He's not an elected official, so why should he resign.  $booboo$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2020, 10:44:14 am
He should have put his hands up, paid his £60 fine and that would have been the end of the matter. He's not an elected official, so why should he resign.  $booboo$

 I might be incorrect but I haven't seen any reference to him being fined, the police investigated the matter too. There have been many issued with fines for similar or possibly even lesser breaches of the rules. That is what probably does more to antagonise the masses than anything.
Let's be honest, how many people can put their hand on heart and say they haven't bent the rules themselves ? I doubt there are many who can.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 31, 2020, 11:33:24 am
That's true, but then I doubt most were involved at the top of government in formulating messages such as "Stay Home" and "Protect the NHS".

The difference in how Cummings perceives himself and his indispensability is clear when you look at the Prof Neil Ferguson case. It's worth comparing the two.

Ferguson runs the group of scientists at Imperial College London whose projections helped persuade ministers of the need to impose stringent physical distancing rules, or risk the NHS being overwhelmed. Ferguson's breach was simply that his lover visited him twice, and she travelled across London to do it.

Within moments of the revelations in the Telegraph, Cabinet minsters called on him to resign, which he did. Note, however, that apart from initially attending SAGE meetings, Ferguson hadn't actually left his house, and was not suffering from Covid. But still cabinet ministers thought he should go.

Cummings case is very, very different. On the day Cummings ran out of No 10, his wife, Mary Wakefield, appears to have been already ill, according to her Spectator article about the experience, in which she says: “My husband did rush home to look after me.” The article did not mention that soon after he rushed home, the family went to the other end of the country.

Wakefield wrote that Cummings said “I feel weird” and collapsed 24 hours after he came home to look after her, placing their journey north on Friday – perhaps trying to beat the weekend getaway – or Saturday at the latest.

In its defence of Cummings, No 10 said the couple had had to travel north in search of childcare from Cummings’s sister and nieces at the property owned by his parents. But, in the end, Cummings and his wife did not need childcare, No 10 have said, instead relying on the family to deliver food to their door.

The Barnard Castle sighting was also interesting.  Would a journey to a popular day-trip destination on a loved one’s birthday, 30 miles from the lockdown location, constitute essential travel or compliance with the government’s “stay home” instruction?

In a piece for the Spectator, the magazine she works for, Wakefield wrote: “We emerged from quarantine into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.” No clarification, however, that they had actually emerged into the capital from Durham.

The eyesight issue is also interesting. Cummings claimed to have driven to BC to 'test his eyesight'. If Cummings had concerns over whether his eyesight was good enough to drive to London, why was he confident enough to drive 30 miles to Barnard Castle, with his wife and son in the vehicle? And as a top government advisor, does he know that driving with impaired vision is illegal?

Cummings said that he took a walk in the second week of his stay in Durham “after I started to recover”. That would suggest he still had some symptoms. The Public Health England guidance on outdoor exercise changed that week and by 9 April all outdoor exercise was prohibited for those with symptoms. So when exactly did the walk take place?

There's a great deal more, such as him not being able to remember whether the family had stopped either on the way  to Durham or on their return.  Witnesses were able to confirm that they certainly did stop in BC and went for a walk.

So while it's pretty conclusive that he is a stranger to the truth, and that he considers himself above the law, unlike Ferguson there have been few calls for him to resign by cabinet ministers.

Why should he resign?

Well, in true Wizard of Oz style he's the person pulling the strings and government and politics should be about trust. When someone has so brazenly proved that they can't be trusted is it right, ethically and morally, that they continue in a role which has such far-reaching consequences for all of us?


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2020, 02:55:42 pm
In my opinion you are absolutely right Ian both in the probable detail of the story and your conclusion he should resign. We should have people that are trustworthy running the country but the simple truth is those who get to the top tend to be ruthless and will walk over others to get there.To them the truth is often irrelevant, lying is a means to an end and not an evil. The Spin Doctor was an invention of those of this ilk.
If Cummings went he wouldn't be replaced by a saint I don't suppose.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on May 31, 2020, 03:52:48 pm
Yep;  that's the real problem.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 31, 2020, 04:46:07 pm
This makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on May 31, 2020, 11:19:17 pm
Another idiot coming over the border.    I just hope that the car was seized as the driver failed the drug test and had no licence


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-oldham-who-flew-past-18340236 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-oldham-who-flew-past-18340236)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 01, 2020, 09:40:25 am
Just what is up with these people

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/minibus-party-crewe-turns-up-18340045 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/minibus-party-crewe-turns-up-18340045)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2020, 05:52:54 pm
This makes a lot of sense.

Well if our economy goes down the tubes that's the end of life as we know it so of course businesses are opening to try and save it. What's the alternative?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on June 02, 2020, 12:10:24 am
Another point regarding Cummings which has been missed I think.
During his rose garden embarrassment of a press conference,  he made some mealy mouthed comments about feeling that his family were not safe in London, as many people knew his address, so he set off to Durham.
But, if that was true, why the hell did he drive them back there, at the height of the issue?
Utter lies.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 02, 2020, 10:58:21 am
The message has obviously not got through to some covidiots


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-who-drove-60-miles-18347752 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-who-drove-60-miles-18347752)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on June 02, 2020, 11:22:33 am
It amazes me just how many are being caught and are doing something illegal other than breakdown lockdown rules - whethere it be drugs, no tax, no insurance, and suchlike.  Makes you wonder just how many suich people are on the road during normal times and not getting hauled in.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on June 02, 2020, 12:03:33 pm
When I was learning to drive, my instructor told me never to forget that you never knew what the other driver was thinking, or how they'd react. How true that was.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 02, 2020, 12:27:30 pm
It amazes me just how many are being caught and are doing something illegal other than breakdown lockdown rules - whethere it be drugs, no tax, no insurance, and suchlike.  Makes you wonder just how many suich people are on the road during normal times and not getting hauled in.


DVT.   I think that I mentioned to you before in a PM  about the Car Tax Checker,  it's a link that gives you the info whether a car has  valid tax or MOT on it.
The DVLA has this information and it is automatically renewed on a daily basis so they have this information readily available.
Since the abolition of the paper road tax disc the number of offenders has rocketed and I wanted some info from them as I wanted to prove that as an enforcement recovery office they were not fit for purpose
Under the FOI  Act  I asked the following questions:-
On a specified date how many vehicles:-
1)     Had tax that had expired
2)     Had a MOT that had expired
3)      Had a SORN

I did have a reply and they refused to answer the questions and said that they would not respond to me in the future as they had previously supplied the info ( which they had not )  to me
The amount of lost revenue is staggering and is well in excess of £100M   but I think that they have something to hide.   It's not the fault of the staff but of the system of enforcement that they have to abide by
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 02, 2020, 02:14:43 pm
Hugo, I believe this is well worthy of a referral to our local MP.

robin.millar.mp@parliament.uk

I hope you will consider it and let us all know the outcome in due course.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on June 02, 2020, 02:27:14 pm
Hugo friends of mine were up happy valley yesterday 4 cars stopped by the cafe took pics got back in cars and moved the barriers that council have put up to drive up to the ski slope" the shouted it was closed, she phoned police I look at that tax checker and 2 off the cars had no valid tax, good luck If you contact Mr Millar.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 02, 2020, 03:00:10 pm
Bri, believe me I would dearly love to do it, but I've sadly lost faith in the system.       No one will admit they have made a mistake and rectify it and we have a classic example of this locally with the CCBC and the ill fated West Shore

Norman,  I'm pleased that your friend phoned the Police and she has set a good example to everyone.   Apart from the tax those cars sound like they shouldn't be here anyway so well done to the lady.
The Police have a difficult job to do anyway so assistance from the public is always welcome for them
That car tax checker is a handy link and without generalising too much you can usually tell the ones who are likely to break the law
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2020, 05:29:34 pm
I note that the NW Police Facebook page only seems to report drink and drug offences now. I have a feeling they have given up on trying to catch out people breaking the corvid restrictions, there are just too many to keep up with now.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on June 03, 2020, 01:39:46 am
I took a walk to West Shore, through town, and back home via Happy Valley today...  during which I noted four large groups of people.
The first, about 15 strong, on West Shore beach, having food, drinks, buckets and spades everywhere.. locals?  Possibly... but certainly no social distancing going on.
A PCSO walked past and didn’t even wander over to enquire.
The second, on the beach at North Shore,  a family of 8 Chinese folk, again they were picnicking etc, and excitedly feeding the seagulls.... which suggested to me that they weren’t local.
In Happy Valley, a group of 6 Eastern Europeans, who struggled to decide if they should pay for parking, and where to go with the picnic boxes they hauled out of their SUV.
Lastly,  on the lawns of Happy Valley, a large group of Asians, with a huge array of food spread out across the blankets they had brought.
Taking pictures of each other in turn with the bandstand as a backdrop, and speaking in their own language.
If nothing official is being done, then all I can do is shake my head ruefully and go home.
By and large, lockdown has been pretty well observed in Llandudno... but today was an aberration.




Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on June 03, 2020, 08:26:20 am
Fester they are saying Conwy is still bad and we can see why, yesterday by the links was back to normal the amount of cars, I've seen visitors from all over, ( how can you tell my wife says ) the click of the camera a pointing to places, yesterday evening elderly visitors out for a stroll didn't know where they were going admiring the goats.its getting too busy at the minute.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 03, 2020, 12:54:07 pm
They say that the A55 is the Coronavirus corridor for North Wales and from what Norman and Fester have both said today you can see why.
If these people are not day trippers then where are they staying as most places are closed?
That PCSO on the West Shore was at fault in not approaching that group of people and if he or she is not doing their duty properly then there is no point in them being there.       On the few times I have been in Llandudno recently I have seen more Police vehicles than usual going around the town but there is a limit on what they can do and they need public intelligence more than ever.
We did have a member of the Police on the forum some time ago and it's a shame that they are no longer on it as they could gain a lot of vital info from the forum members
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 05, 2020, 11:26:53 am
Not Covidiots just simply idiots           &shake&

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52929780?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52929780?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wales/north_west_wales&link_location=live-reporting-story)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2020, 12:59:35 pm
I have had my touring caravan up for sale on a web site for quite some time and suddenly I'm getting quite a bit of interest. All of it from England, all want to come and look. All are told they can't, one said I'm only just over the border in Shropshire and I'm allowed to travel if it's to buy something. I told him that he would likely get stopped on the way and almost definitely if he was towing it back to England. He suggested his daughter could instead as she lives in Wales.... Welshpool !
Some people just don't get it do they!
That said it's time Wales relaxed some of their rules now, they are just trying to look independent from Westminster and in my opinion not doing the best of jobs either.
In my opinion, introduce legislation that says you must wear a mask when in an indoor public place unless you work there, then you can make a choice. First though, let's make sure there's a readily available of proper masks available for purchase as soon as possible. None of this wrapping a handkerchief around your face.
This virus can only survive if humans allow it to spread and if everyone sticks to the distancing and protection required then it will die.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on June 05, 2020, 02:11:44 pm
Well, viruses aren't actually alive. Therein lies half the problem.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2020, 03:45:54 pm
Well, viruses aren't actually alive. Therein lies half the problem.

OK, if you want to be pedantic I wasn't actually dying to go the toilet. Let's say the virus ceases to exist rather than dies. It certainly doesn't pass anyway, which is also the sensitive way some people prefer to refer to death which is kind of ironic don't you think?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on June 05, 2020, 06:35:37 pm
The reason I pointed out that it doesn't live is because that's actually what makes it so difficult to eradicate. Outside of body cells they exists only as strands of DNA or RNA.  When they infect a cell, they force it to reproduce copies of the thing, but this is all happening at a sub-microscopic scale.

Because they're not alive, we can't kill them, and the only thing we can do is train our immune systems to recognise the type of RNA/DNA strand and reject it. That's why Covid-19 is so deadly.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 06, 2020, 12:16:08 pm
An article in yesterday's Daily Mirror had the heading  "  Coronavirus Crisis:  Bug link to warfare site "  with a large heading saying  " Weapon escaped from Lab "   and quoting an intelligence expert saying " it's highly probable Covid came from virology centre.
It's a frightening thought but anything is possible in this world nowadays, even Trump blurted that same message out in one of his rants some weeks ago and we only have to remember the incidents in Salisbury with the Russians as an example of what can happen
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on June 08, 2020, 10:44:29 am
BBC and Pioneer stories on new self isolation, this is a major point in going forward safely, and needs to be enforced, as other countries have done.

New rules requiring all people arriving in the UK to self-isolate for 14 days have come into effect.

Those arriving by plane, ferry or train - including UK nationals - must give an address where they will self-isolate. Rule breakers will be fined.

Home Secretary Priti Patel has said the laws were designed "to prevent a second wave" of coronavirus.

But the boss of Ryanair has said the rules are a "political stunt" and are not a quarantine.

Michael O'Leary told the BBC: "You could be in Sainsbury's, you could be on the beach, you could be on the golf course in the unlikely event the Home Office calls you - all they will have is a mobile number."

He claimed even the Home Office acknowledged the rules were unenforceable.

cont   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52959118 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52959118)


Two-week quarantine rules for UK arrivals come into force.
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18502525.two-week-quarantine-rules-uk-arrivals-come-force/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18502525.two-week-quarantine-rules-uk-arrivals-come-force/)


PS
Can I avoid quarantine by flying to the UK via Ireland? And other questions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51176409 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51176409)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on June 08, 2020, 11:06:09 am
I saw the interview with Michael O'Leary on TV and to be fair to him he put some points across which were quite valid and the law would appear to be unenforceable
It could be argued that the England government need to put their own house in order tp prevent a second wave of Coronavirus and make it clear about not being able to travel to Scotland or Wales at this moment in time
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on June 08, 2020, 07:45:28 pm
Looking on flight radar flights in/ out of Dublin nearly every day from Bejing are they not having the checks 🤔
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on June 10, 2020, 01:43:41 am
Looking on flight radar flights in/ out of Dublin nearly every day from Bejing are they not having the checks 🤔

Are they not nearly all cargo flights Norm?   Importing of goods is still going on, and needs to go on.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions
Post by: SteveH on June 19, 2020, 12:07:20 pm
Coronavirus: UK's Covid-19 alert level reduced from four to three
29 minutes ago
 
The UK's coronavirus alert level has been downgraded from four to three, its chief medical officers have said.

Under level three, the virus is considered to be "in general circulation" and there could be a "gradual relaxation of restrictions".

Previously transmission was considered to be "high or rising exponentially".

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the change was "a big moment for the country" and showed that the government's plan was working.
cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53106673 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53106673)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on June 19, 2020, 02:46:09 pm
Second piece today....... Two views on today's rule changes, best of luck ..................

Coronavirus latest as First Minister announces changes in Wales      Full list of all the lockdown rules that have changed in Wales explained

Pioneer    https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18528097.coronavirus-latest-first-minister-announces-changes-wales/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18528097.coronavirus-latest-first-minister-announces-changes-wales/)

Daily post https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-lockdown-rules-changed-18451071 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-lockdown-rules-changed-18451071)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions
Post by: SteveH on June 20, 2020, 11:28:31 am
Arriva
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on June 21, 2020, 02:50:02 pm
The full list of all the Wales lockdown changes that will come into force tomorrow
The Welsh Government has announced a series of measures will come into effect tomorrow across Wales on June 22

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-wales-lockdown-changes-18459176 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-wales-lockdown-changes-18459176)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on June 25, 2020, 02:36:19 pm
Seems to bring out a lot of selfish people...........something to look forward to !

Thousands of people flocked to the Dorset coast as temperatures soared, leading to a "complete breakdown of decent, normal behaviour".

Bournemouth Beach was packed on Wednesday and roads to Durdle Door were closed after people failed to use the pre-booking system.

There were reports of anti-social behaviour, illegal parking, piles of litter, overnight camping and gridlock.

Visitors are urged to "act responsibly" on the second day of the heatwave.

Full article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: llandudnotrust on June 25, 2020, 03:19:51 pm
Setting up a Light Show on the Prom. Strange thing to do during lockdown
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on June 26, 2020, 01:33:12 pm
Seems to bring out a lot of selfish people...........something to look forward to !

Thousands of people flocked to the Dorset coast as temperatures soared, leading to a "complete breakdown of decent, normal behaviour".
Bournemouth Beach was packed on Wednesday and roads to Durdle Door were closed after people failed to use the pre-booking system.
There were reports of anti-social behaviour, illegal parking, piles of litter, overnight camping and gridlock.
Visitors are urged to "act responsibly" on the second day of the heatwave.
Full article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717)

Looks like Colwyn Bay beach, had the same type of morons, a warning on social media, this morning about broken glass on the prom/steps/sand .

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on July 02, 2020, 03:37:49 pm
The wife and I went out to do our once a week shopping this morning. When we got back a large white Sprinter Van was parked right where we normally unload. What was more unusual was the fact the front wheels were up on chocks and 2 bicycles had been unloaded from what turned out to be a camper van and were propped up on my back fence. As we brought our shopping in my wife saw the man who's van it was and asked him if he was aware Wales was still in lock down. Yes he replied.

When I went out to Park the Car, his young son saw me photographing the number plate of the Van. Next thing the man came out and asked if there was anything wrong. Yes I replied, Wales is still in lock down, you are English, you and your family shouldn't be here, putting us at risk with your unlawful traveling and I shall be passing your van registration on to North Wales Police. Well you've never seen anyone pack up and move on as quickly as they did.

Having different regulations for different parts of the UK is certainly causing problems
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 02, 2020, 05:41:13 pm
Well done Blongb,           $good$   

I cannot believe that the family did not  know the rules applying to Wales and if they could do that then they could do other things too.
As a matter of interest did you do a car tax check on the vehicle
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 02, 2020, 05:53:23 pm
Well done Blongb,  this relaxing of the rules will work if the new rules are observed, pity a lot have to be reminded.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on July 02, 2020, 07:24:46 pm
There are some locals who don't comply with the 5 mile rule ... cyclists going for a 50 mile ride, and on roads that are closed to the public.  Unfortunately no registration numbers on bikes, but some publish their routes on Facebook.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 02, 2020, 08:17:29 pm
I also know a number of locals who are breaking the 5 mile limit with cars and bikes  and they are getting away with it.   They think they are clever  by pushing the boundaries but in fact they are just selfish, stupid individuals who are not only risking their life but also the lives of others including their closest families.
I hope that the Police are also viewing Facebook too and can deal with these stupid idiots
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on July 03, 2020, 12:07:48 pm
As a matter of interest did you do a car tax check on the vehicle

Yes I did Hugo, It was legal, Taxes and Insured.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 03, 2020, 01:37:34 pm
Thanks Blongb  it is always good to check things out.     At least they were legally on the road even if if they were ignorant of the laws in Wales.
They should have waited until next week and then it will be legal
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2020, 03:36:08 pm
Indeed, but the over-70s are still being cautioned about remaining somewhat more inside then perhaps they would usually.

What will be very interesting to see is whether we repeat what's happening elsewhere; a sudden rise in cases. Certainly not the time to throw caution to the wind.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2020, 04:36:36 pm
Indeed, but the over-70s are still being cautioned about remaining somewhat more inside then perhaps they would usually.
What will be very interesting to see is whether we repeat what's happening elsewhere; a sudden rise in cases. Certainly not the time to throw caution to the wind.

I have not been outside of the property since the 13th Mar, and will be waiting to see what happens, call me Mr Caution, but I would prefer to see a vaccine solution available, before throwing it to the wind.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 03, 2020, 04:46:12 pm
The majority of over 70,s that I know have been sensible over the lockdown and will probably continue to stay as safe as possible.
The English government has adopted a more gung ho approach and I hope that it does not backfire on them and the other nations of the UK.
The Welsh FM and the Scottish one rightly described the situation with Westminster as symbolic
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2020, 05:42:05 pm
I have not been outside of the property since the 13th Mar, and will be waiting to see what happens, call me Mr Caution, but I would prefer to see a vaccine solution available, before throwing it to the wind.

It's starting to look as though they should be able to develop a vaccine. As of today, there are 124 potential vaccines in development, with 10 being trialled in people. The Lancet's snappily titled "Safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of a recombinant adenovirus type-5 vectored COVID-19 vaccine: a dose-escalation, open-label, non-randomised, first-in-human trial" looked at the first trial in Wuhan,

Vaccines do not always confer long-lasting immunity; many have to be repeated on an annual basis, but that would be no great problem and could be delivered along with the annual 'flu shot. However, one reason why there's no vaccine for the common cold, which is a coronavirus, is that coronaviruses typically resist vaccines.

Time will tell, however, and some early results are encouraging. Th UK will just have to ensure it follows Trump's technique of buying up all the vaccine before the US can get their grubby little mits on it.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2020, 06:16:56 pm
The majority of over 70,s that I know have been sensible over the lockdown and will probably continue to stay as safe as possible.
The English government has adopted a more gung ho approach and I hope that it does not backfire on them and the other nations of the UK.
The Welsh FM and the Scottish one rightly described the situation with Westminster as symbolic

symbolic=shambolic I think.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2020, 06:25:23 pm
Indeed, but the over-70s are still being cautioned about remaining somewhat more inside then perhaps they would usually.
What will be very interesting to see is whether we repeat what's happening elsewhere; a sudden rise in cases. Certainly not the time to throw caution to the wind.

I have not been outside of the property since the 13th Mar, and will be waiting to see what happens, call me Mr Caution, but I would prefer to see a vaccine solution available, before throwing it to the wind.

To be honest I think you are being totally OTT Steve. Keep away from other people as much as possible which is actually very easy if you pick your spots, and stay outside and you have little to fear in my opinion.If you have to touch anything like a gate use hand sanitiser. Life is too short to waste it locked away, get out and about in the fresh air. I think that although it shouldn't be just ignored as there is a real danger, this whole Corvid thread has made a few people paranoid, especially if you are posting gloom figures everyday. That said I actually met someone today who knows of two people who have been infected and survived, one is 76 too.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 03, 2020, 06:42:14 pm
Wonder what the condition of their lungs is?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2020, 06:59:07 pm
Wonder what the condition of their lungs is?

Probably better than mine, call me Mr Caution for some time.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on July 03, 2020, 07:20:15 pm
Having stuck to the rules and being over 70 with a health issue, my wife and I are going to see our new grandson and his brother in Liverpool on Tuesday.  But will stay clear of everyone except daughter and son-in-law.  Won't be in contact with anyone else there and back, although will have to put fuel in beforehand, so will pick a quiet time at the garage sometime over the weekend (it is well within the 5 mile limit).

Enough is enough now, but I do think we're in for a second wave - news from London today is that the R rate has gone over 1 ... I wonder if anyone is honest enough to suggest the mass gatherings of a couple of weeks ago may have caused it, or will they get slammed down for suggesting such a thing.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2020, 07:46:52 pm
Wouldn't surprise me in the least DVT. I have always advocated that we should take full responsibility not only for our own safety but everyone else's too. It's truly tragic that so many don't give a damn but that's life in more than just Corvid-19 restrictions.
Interesting that Scotland might bring in obligatory wearing of face masks in enclosed areas and I have to agree, why not? I just don't understand why we have so many rules that don't make sense to me, yet don't implement those that cost nothing in terms of personal liberty and might help save lives or at least the pressure on the NHS.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 03, 2020, 07:50:59 pm
I hope that you enjoy your long awaited visit to see your Grand children on Tuesday and all you can do is to stay as safe as possible.
I think that you may be correct about a second wave as the incidents in Bournemouth and elsewhere have proved that an element of UK people cannot be trusted to follow rules or guidelines
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: snowcap on July 04, 2020, 10:09:22 pm
 Talking about putting fuel in your car i had the solution by putting a disposable glove on my hand to get hold of the fuel pump. had a senior moment and got ho;d of the pump with the hand that didn't have the glove on. still i live to tell the tale.That was a couple of weeks back, filled up as it was only 99 p a litre it cost £23.78 that's all Iv'e  put in since March and still have 1/2 a tank full. I still hate lock down   :( :(
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 05, 2020, 09:58:04 am
Scenes from last night..........

It is "crystal clear" that drunk people are unable to socially distance, the chair of the Police Federation said as pubs reopened on Saturday.

Ministers had urged caution ahead of hospitality venues reopening in England after three months of lockdown.

John Apter dealt with "naked men, happy drunks, angry drunks, fights and more angry drunks" on shift in Southampton.

But police thanked the majority of people for acting responsibly as they enjoyed the night out.

BBC news report  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53296689 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53296689)


Full BBC TV news video    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XifOv3m5-MQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XifOv3m5-MQ)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 06, 2020, 03:04:00 pm
A bit of a reminder ..................

How coronavirus spreads outdoors vs. indoors

search Youtube video    How coronavirus spreads outdoors vs. indoors  Vox

direct link     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6QwnzbRUyA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6QwnzbRUyA)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 10, 2020, 03:43:03 pm
I wish I had confidence in this government, knowing that they had researched all the information, before allowing this access, after months of lockdown it would be a disgrace.

Coronavirus: Quarantine rules end for dozens of destinations.

Travellers arriving in the UK from dozens of countries no longer have to self-isolate for two weeks from Friday.

The rules are being relaxed for arrivals from 75 countries and British overseas territories.

However, Scotland still requires people travelling from Spain to quarantine - unlike England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The Foreign Office's advice against taking a cruise holiday remains in place.

From Friday morning, people arriving in the UK from France, Italy, Belgium, Germany and dozens of other countries will no longer have to spend 14 days in quarantine.

cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53358870 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53358870)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2020, 10:55:17 am
Written by Matthew Davies                  https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/concerned-conwy-resident-launches-keep-left-campaign/ (https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/concerned-conwy-resident-launches-keep-left-campaign/)

As lockdown restrictions begin to ease around the country, UK residents have been attempting to return to normality, visiting loved ones, using non-essential businesses and resuming their usual routines amidst a new socially-distanced Britain.

However, many have been failing to adhere to the 2 metre distance rule, with some individuals choosing to ignore the government restrictions as they go about their daily lives.

This phenomenon has been noticed by 60-year-old Mark Hawksworth, from Conwy in North Wales, who felt concerned after going for a walk along the sea front near Rhos-On-Sea where he witnessed members of the public occupying both sides of the pathways and not abiding to any form of social distancing.

Mark, who has type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure, was forced to evade these post-lockdown revellers and was left feeling disconcerted by the experience.

Rather than complain, Mark has acknowledged the difficulties that this new system presents to the public and has proposed an intelligent solution.

In an attempt to offer local government bodies with a practical method of addressing his concerns, Mark has launched a 'Keep Left' campaign, suggesting that a simple adherence to keeping left while out in public could potentially solve a lot of these issues.

Mark said: "We had people on both sides of the path, families taking up the whole path, dogs going in all directions and people generally not keeping any distance.

"While watching the elderly and clinically vulnerable people, you could see the panic in their faces. It is going to get a lot worse with all the tourists coming back and anything to help reduce any more spikes is worth a try. A lot of the pathways are quite narrow so a social distance of even 3 feet is awkward. A polite 'Please Keep Left' should not upset anybody".
Mark hopes that the 'Keep Left' campaign will find traction with UK residents, as well as any government organisers that can help ensure that it is implemented nationwide.

Mark came up with the idea after remembering his last holiday in Spain where local citizens adhere to the left side of sea front pathways.

Mark said: "This would apply to push bikes and scooters as well. As we are a nation of left hand drivers, I believe a simple keep left message could become the new norm to help in distancing".

"We already drive on the left and cycle paths are marked to keep left, so it is already built into us to go left. We just need reminding occasionally and on very busy walkways. Simple signs saying 'Please Keep Left' could help".
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on July 11, 2020, 07:27:29 pm
I wish Mark all the luck in the world in getting his very sensible keep left message out to the General Public, but after watching them in action today he might as well suggest juggling soot. After our very successful lock down it was very disconcerting to see large groups mingling around without a care in the world. It reminded me of Florida over their Holiday Weekend, I just hope we don't end up paying the same price.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2020, 02:28:13 pm
Here they come again, the covidiots have descended on Snowdonia.     Apparently the Pen Y Pass car park was full at 3.00 am today!   Then they started illegally parking cars on the road leading up to Snowdon
All we can hope is that they leave no litter behind and pay their parking fines on time


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-parking-warning-huge-crowds-18623325 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-parking-warning-huge-crowds-18623325)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 19, 2020, 04:09:32 pm
Here they come again, the covidiots have descended on Snowdonia.     Apparently the Pen Y Pass car park was full at 3.00 am today!   Then they started illegally parking cars on the road leading up to Snowdon
All we can hope is that they leave no litter behind and pay their parking fines on time
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-parking-warning-huge-crowds-18623325 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-parking-warning-huge-crowds-18623325)

Hugo, I assume you have seen this but, just in case........

Campers trash Anglesey beauty spot with abandoned tents, barbecues and litter.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/campers-trash-anglesey-beauty-spot-18622782 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/campers-trash-anglesey-beauty-spot-18622782)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2020, 04:26:49 pm
Makes you wonder what they live in.!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: snowcap on July 19, 2020, 10:16:46 pm
I'l bet it's neat and tidy, because they leave their rubbish somewhere else as in the photo.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 20, 2020, 09:43:33 am
Scum, there is no other word to describe these peple
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-blast-unacceptable-great-orme-18626196 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-blast-unacceptable-great-orme-18626196)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on July 20, 2020, 04:15:58 pm
Just returned from a nice enjoyable run up Conwy Valley, down to Llanberis and back via Bethesda - wife's car had not moved since lockdown began so it needed a good run - I did check everything yesterday.

Quite a few cars parked at Pen-y-Pass but no traffic problems, as there was yesterday.  There were more at Llyn Ogwen.

However, there was a queue of people trying to get to the summit of Snowdon - see pic !!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 20, 2020, 04:39:44 pm
Does social distancing not apply above a certain height?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 20, 2020, 04:50:56 pm
Snowdonia tourists 'laugh at £30 parking fines'
Call for action after Pen-y-Pass became nearly unpassable when hundreds of tourists descended at weekend.

Emergency talks will be held in light of "shocking" scenes which have prompted calls to speed up efforts to tackle parking problems at a Snowdonia beauty spot.

Police were called to deal with serious parking issues on Sunday with a reported 500 cars partially blocking mountain roads in Eryri (Snowdonia), leading to confirmation this morning that emergency talks will be held to find a way forward.

Cont   https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-tourists-laugh-30-parking-18628431 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-tourists-laugh-30-parking-18628431)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on July 21, 2020, 09:31:46 am
That pic of mine a couple of posts ago was taken from the viewing point on the road from Pen-y-Pass down towards Beddgelert - so I was three miles away (social distancing to the extreme!).

While I was there three people who appeared to be a TV team were filming - chap with big camera, chap with big microphone and young lady being interviewed - they were all talking Welsh.  Did anyone see anything on TV?  I suspected it may have been to do with the issues that are arising from the number of visitors.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 21, 2020, 02:55:53 pm
Great long shot, DVT .........here's a new video showing how bad it was on the road........

 New video shows Snowdonia chaos as 500 hundred cars bring Pen-y-Pass to a standstill
A video shot by a local resident showed the scale of the problem

"It's absolutely disgusting. I'm ashamed of people, that they would do something as dangerous as this. I've never seen anything like this in my life."

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-video-shows-snowdonia-chaos-18634774 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-video-shows-snowdonia-chaos-18634774)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 21, 2020, 07:00:53 pm
Why don't people filming with mobiles hold them horizontally instead of vertically? We'd see a full image that way, instead of this odd, slot-shaped picture.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on July 21, 2020, 09:54:23 pm
Would that work ... whenever phone clips are shown on TV they have the fuzzy sides due to being held vertical.  I would have thought if it could be done then TV companies would sort it before using in news bulletins and suchlike.

... or would you have to be lying down or hold your head to one side to see the pics properly?

... I have the same "complaint" about people taking photos of people with a camera.  Usually held landscape but generally would be better held portrait!  I often get asked to take photos of families when at work in Bodnant so usually take both landscape (to get the scenery in) and portrait to concentrate on the people.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 22, 2020, 03:19:35 pm
Yeah - you can't correct once the footage has been shot, but if people shot landscape originally then we'd see the full scene.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 22, 2020, 04:22:28 pm
Overheard a comment on TV this morning, that Spain had 4.500 new cases, a couple of days ago, not sure I heard right, but checking on line, I found a couple of links that were interesting.  (see below)

Spain is one of the main countries we holiday in, does the increase in cases, alter the quarantine free air bridge agreement we have with them. ?

Spain: Parties seen behind new surge in COVID-19
Spain reported 4,581 new cases over the weekend – twice as many as in the previous weekend
20.07.2020
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-parties-seen-behind-new-surge-in-covid-19/1916740 (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-parties-seen-behind-new-surge-in-covid-19/1916740)


Spain registers 1,362 more COVID-19 cases
8,754 people diagnosed with disease over last week, highest number in months
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-registers-1-362-more-covid-19-cases/1917958 (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-registers-1-362-more-covid-19-cases/1917958)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 23, 2020, 12:28:12 pm
These events seem a bit ................   &shake&

Thousands of supporters gathered on Wednesday night as Sir Kenny Dalglish presented the trophy in an empty stadium after the team beat Chelsea.
Police had issued a dispersal order to clear about 3,000 fans from Anfield.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-53511046 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-53511046)



Leeds United have defended the decision to parade the Championship trophy from an open-top bus in front of fans after previously telling people to stay away.
Thousands gathered outside the club's ground to celebrate its return to the top flight,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-53493960 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-53493960)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 24, 2020, 10:10:25 am
Vehicles parked illegally in Snowdonia face being towed away, police have warned in the wake of chaotic scenes in the national park at the weekend.

More bus services are to be laid on, and extra staff will be deployed to prevent a repeat of what happened on Sunday, when hundreds of vehicles parked on the Pen-y-Pass and made it unpassable for motorists.

On weekends the car park at Pen-y-pass will be a drop-off site for buses and taxis only. Park bosses hope this will reinforce the message that walkers should park in Llanberis and Nant Peris and use the regular Sherpa bus services.

cont   https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18604428.extra-buses-laid-avoid-snowdonia-congestion/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18604428.extra-buses-laid-avoid-snowdonia-congestion/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on July 25, 2020, 05:25:08 am
I see North Wales being overrun with irresponsible tourists, well join the club.
Scotland is having the same problems especially the North West corner. These are remote communities that have not got the facilities to cope with the numbers.
If you are considering a trip up to Scotland please make sure you have booked. A lot of places have not opened yet due to social distancing etc. This has led to all sorts of problems with littering, abandoned camping gear and human waste. Unbelievable.

Locals have started a facebook site. NC500 The Land Weeps.   What is wrong with these people who have no respect for anything or places.

Do we just blame it all on coming out of lockdown ? $angry$ &shake& :'(
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 25, 2020, 10:06:30 am
What is wrong with these people who have no respect for anything or places.
Do we just blame it all on coming out of lockdown ? $angry$ &shake& :'(

Sorry to hear you are having the same problems, as for blaming it on coming out of lockdown, I think it is the usual selfish unthinking morons, who ignore any rules or advice, they just stand out at the moment, because sensible people are taking a more cautious approach, about returning to a more normal way of life.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 25, 2020, 11:35:43 am
And still the idiots come.    Around 60 vehicles were turned back from Snowdon before 8.00 am today!

One good thing in the report was that the tow truck is already in position in Pen Y Pass,     


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-live-updates-police-turn-18660733 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-live-updates-police-turn-18660733)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on July 25, 2020, 11:55:51 am
Brainless people. What do they think with?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 25, 2020, 05:21:38 pm
Brainless people. What do they think with?



This may give them something to think about Nemesis.     

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-live-updates-police-turn-18660733 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-live-updates-police-turn-18660733)

 

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 26, 2020, 10:05:42 am
Tourists returning from Spain will now have to isolate for 14 days on their return back to the UK.     It was always a possibility and people must have known that before going there on holiday 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tourists-returning-spain-face-14-18663517 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tourists-returning-spain-face-14-18663517)

Following on from Hugo's post, three stories this morning from the BBC......

Travellers arriving in the UK from Spain must now quarantine for 14 days, under new coronavirus travel rules.

They were announced on Saturday following a spike in coronavirus cases in Spain, with more than 900 new cases of the virus reported on Friday.
Spanish officials have also warned a second wave could be imminent as major cities have seen cases surge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541301 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541301)

Coronavirus: 'Devastated' travellers react to Spain quarantine rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503)

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has been caught up in his own department's rule change while on holiday in Spain.    &shake&
The cabinet minister travelled to the country with his family on Saturday morning for a summer break.
But just hours later, the Department for Transport confirmed all travellers returning to the UK from Spain would have to quarantine for 14 days, due to a spike in cases in the country.

A DfT spokesman said Mr Shapps would continue with his holiday as planned.   
He will then isolate upon his return, in line with the new rules.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53543198 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53543198)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 27, 2020, 03:53:51 pm
A lot of trust needed here, especially for those who were caught out by the announcement while on holiday, with jobs waiting for them.

The new coronavirus travel rule was announced on Saturday evening following a spike in the number of new cases in Spain this week.

It came into force less than six hours after it was confirmed by the government, and requires travellers returning from all parts of Spain - including the islands of Majorca, Menorca and Ibiza - to provide an address where they will self-isolate for 14 days or risk a fine.

During those two weeks, people must not go out to work, school, or public areas, or have visitors except for essential support.........

They should not go out to buy food if they can rely on others.
      (This last part leaves a dangerous legal loophole in the new rules)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53548893 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53548893)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 28, 2020, 03:45:56 pm
Interesting breakdown..........were NW locals obeying the rules, better than those in the South ?

Coronavirus: Where did lockdown rule breakers travel into Wales from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53566070 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53566070)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 31, 2020, 10:33:33 am
Confusing times..........but they can visit pubs, or even a day trip out............?

Millions of people in parts of northern England are now facing new lockdown restrictions, which ban separate households from meeting each other at home after a spike in Covid-19 cases.

The rules impact people in Greater Manchester, east Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire.

The health secretary told the BBC the increase in transmission was due to people visiting friends and relatives.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock told BBC Breakfast the government had taken "targeted" action based on information gathered from contact tracing, which he said showed that "most of the transmission is happening between households visiting each other, and people visiting relatives and friends".

Cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 31, 2020, 11:53:35 am
What is going on?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53605329 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53605329)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 31, 2020, 04:19:27 pm
From above .........."but they can visit pubs, or even a day trip out............?"  guess where ?

Comment from the DP .....

"The First Minister wants to maintain an open border.

Following a spike in Covid-19 cases, visiting people at home has been banned in parts of northern England as well as rules on face coverings being extended to more indoor settings, including museums and places of worship.

But with the rules impacting Greater Manchester, east Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire, a north Wales MP has raised concerns that stricter measures and the spike in cases could see more residents of these areas head for holiday homes in north Wales, placing greater pressure on already stretched health and public services."    ref DP

Second comment North Wales beaches packed.     ref DP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 02, 2020, 01:22:19 pm
Unhappy camper loses both vehicle and bed for the night in Snowdonia towing blitz          Perhaps the message will sink in eventually  &shake&

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/unhappy-camper-loses-both-vehicle-18702900 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/unhappy-camper-loses-both-vehicle-18702900)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 08, 2020, 03:10:33 pm
When will they ever learn?

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/walkers-dangerously-parked-car-towed-18738462 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/walkers-dangerously-parked-car-towed-18738462)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 15, 2020, 03:07:38 pm
The Aber Falls walk is a beautiful walk and I can understand people wanting to go there but if people park in Aber illegally then the cars should be booked


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-village-gridlocked-every-18770175 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-village-gridlocked-every-18770175)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 16, 2020, 02:44:58 pm
These are the type of visitors we can well do without.       I hope that the Police and Traffic Wardens are out in force this weekend


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tracks-lay-bys-across-snowdonia-18771317 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tracks-lay-bys-across-snowdonia-18771317)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 20, 2020, 03:45:34 pm
I hope that this is extended to buses too,   why oh why do some people think that the rules don't apply to them


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/hundreds-refused-travel-trains-over-18800646 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/hundreds-refused-travel-trains-over-18800646)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 22, 2020, 04:46:31 pm
Why do people behave like this?       They don't need educating they should be fined instead

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/security-firm-patrol-snowdonia-village-18813046 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/security-firm-patrol-snowdonia-village-18813046)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 22, 2020, 04:50:56 pm
Why do people behave like this?
https://i2-prod.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/article18801295.ece/ALTERNATES/s458/1_IMG-3501.jpg (https://i2-prod.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/article18801295.ece/ALTERNATES/s458/1_IMG-3501.jpg)

shocking and dangerous, they also damaged a slate fence, and were rude XXXX to a passerby who told then off.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-wild-campers-swore-dog-18801163 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-wild-campers-swore-dog-18801163)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on August 22, 2020, 07:45:59 pm
Lock 'em up for 14 days (minimum).
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 23, 2020, 03:40:36 pm
Snowdonia parking: Yellow lines to deter motorists at beauty spot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53879590 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53879590)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 23, 2020, 04:25:58 pm
Snowdonia parking: Yellow lines to deter motorists at beauty spot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53879590 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53879590)

Good idea, but a pity we have to pay for the inconsideration of others, when there is many more priorities these days.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 29, 2020, 05:49:43 pm
A busy day in the Ogwen Valley today        $good$

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/inappropriately-parked-snowdonia-visitors-vehicles-18849710 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/inappropriately-parked-snowdonia-visitors-vehicles-18849710)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 07, 2020, 03:40:32 pm
Dumped face masks are washing up on Anglesey beaches - and they're posing a big threat to wildlife      I was saddened to read about this story yesterday, yes the masks are disposable but they should be disposed of in a responsible way.   
It's the same lazy selfish individuals who are creating problems in the whole of the UK.        &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dumped-facemasks-washing-up-anglesey-18880836 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dumped-facemasks-washing-up-anglesey-18880836)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 08, 2020, 03:57:37 pm
Contacts of a case of coronavirus reminded to stay at home and self-isolate for full two weeks.

THOSE contacted by a Covid-19 test and trace service are being urged to follow advice and self-isolate at home for two weeks.

The reminder comes after an increase in cases in Wales. Public Health Wales revealed on Monday, September 7 that 133 new cases of the virus have been reported.

Of the 18 new cases reported in the Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (BCUHB) area there were nine in Wrexham, three in Denbighshire, two in Conwy, two in Flintshire, one in Gwynedd and one on Anglesey.

Case in Conwy stand at 633 and 789 in Denbighshire.

Dr Rachel Andrew, one of the leads for the North Wales Regional Hub of Test, Trace, Protect (TTP), said: “It is really important that if you have been telephoned by a member of the contact tracing team and told you are a contact of a case of Coronavirus, that you follow their advice and stay home for the full 14 days.

“The reason we ask contacts to self-isolate is because they could be developing the infection and be at risk of spreading it to family and friends. This advice is the same for people returning from countries where Welsh Government requires self-isolation for 14 days on your return.

“Having a negative test during this time only tells you that you don’t have Coronavirus on the day the swab was taken.”

Anyone with a high temperature, new continuous cough, or a loss of, or change, to sense of smell or taste should get tested for Coronavirus.

Healthcare workers and some other keyworkers have different opportunities for testing, they are advised to speak to their employers about what to do if they are identified as a contact of someone with COVID-19.

Teresa Owen, director of Public Health for BCUHB, said: “We would like to remind the people of North Wales that Coronavirus is still circulating in the community. To keep everyone safe, always stay two metres away from others, and wash your hands regularly.

“If you meet another household, outside your extended household, stay outdoors during your visit and work from home if you can.

“If you or anyone in your extended household has symptoms, stay at home and arrange a test. Thank you to those who are making sacrifices to keep us all safe, including those who are staying at home for the full 14 days of self-isolation.”

Visit www.gov.wales/coronavirus (http://www.gov.wales/coronavirus) or call 119 to arrange a test.                                                                                ref Pioneer
 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 09, 2020, 03:48:12 pm
During the weekly coronavirus press conference, Mr Gething used an example of a group of friends who returned from a short holiday in Ibiza to show how the spread can take place.

He said:
"Three of them came home with coronavirus
After returning home one of the group passed the virus on to their partner and his father
Another person in the group had a party the day after coming home and four people caught coronavirus
One of these then passed the virus on to their brother who then passed it to a friend by sharing a car
Another party guest passed it on to their sister, who in turn infected a friend on a night out
Within just a few days of the friends’ return home, 13 people had coronavirus.
Mr Gething added: " Coronavirus is a highly infectious virus, which is easily and quickly spread from one person to another." ref DP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 10, 2020, 03:15:29 pm
Coronavirus: What are social distancing and self-isolation rules?

What are the new rules on socialising?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 11, 2020, 10:21:30 am
Wales to restrict social gatherings to six people indoors to reduce spread of coronavirus.

RULES about changes to who people can meet safely will be announced by Welsh Government today.

The First Minister of Wales, Mark Drakeford will today (September 11) confirm changes to the rules on meeting people indoors to help prevent the spread of coronavirus in Wales.

The changes come as parts of Wales have seen an increase in cases of the virus linked to people meeting and socialising with others indoors but without social distancing.

From Monday, September 14, a new limit of six people will be introduced on the number of people who can meet indoors at any one time.
All six must belong to the same extended household group.

There will be no change to the current rules which allow up to four households to form an exclusive extended household in Wales, and no change to the rules on meeting outdoors.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18712611.wales-restrict-social-gatherings-six-people-indoors-reduce-spread-coronavirus/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18712611.wales-restrict-social-gatherings-six-people-indoors-reduce-spread-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 12, 2020, 01:12:04 pm
Are the motorists just arrogant and stupid?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tourists-cars-parked-illegally-snowdonia-18923392 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tourists-cars-parked-illegally-snowdonia-18923392)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 13, 2020, 03:52:53 pm
We have recently bought some new 3 layer reusable face masks for future use, at the same time we added an order of breathing bracket inserts, and although only trying them at home, I was very impressed, as it was definitely easier to breath and not so claustrophobic.

96p each or 6 for £5

https://shop.disabilityhorizons.com/products/ppe/breathing-frame-mask-bracket-insert/
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on September 13, 2020, 06:54:04 pm
Why it matters (in the style of Queen). (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eo9M4-BrJA)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 14, 2020, 12:05:19 pm
Steve, thanks very much for that tip on the breathing brackets and I'm sure that they will come in very handy now, especially as it is compulsory now in Wales to wear them in shops etc
Mrs H normally does all the shopping and she has been wearing the masks for ages but today I was in the Chemists and had the mask on but I had a bit of a wait and found it uncomfortable and hot.
I'm sure that the brackets will help and have just ordered a pack of 5 for £3.95. with P & P at £4.95            $good$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 14, 2020, 01:08:11 pm
Hugo, you are very welcome, I tried them again last night for an hour while watching TV without any problems, another bonus it stops my glasses misting, and it seams to keep the mask in place even when talking.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 14, 2020, 02:31:23 pm
We have just got to get on with it Steve as this virus doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon and anything that helps is a bonus.
Thanks again for the tip
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 16, 2020, 03:28:27 pm
This is funny, but I mean no disrespect, at least he was trying  $good$     it could have been me......Should have gone to Specsavers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bxqI9anO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bxqI9anO8)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 18, 2020, 01:08:13 pm
Steve,  those brackets I have ordered have now been received and I tried them on yesterday.     They do actually work and I found that the masks were more breathable and not so hot          $good$
I haven't mastered the correct way of fixing them yet but when I took the mask off I still had the bracket stuck to my face and Mrs H thought that I looked like Hannibal Lecter so we both had a good laugh over it     
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2020, 02:31:58 pm
Glad it helped, mine fitted perfectly, I think they were made for my chin ! ! Mrs H is going to try using the fixing points to attach inside a mask to see if it holds position better, but she still prefers the bracket for easier breathing. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 28, 2020, 10:29:49 am
An article in Stoke on Trent's local paper..............

The rules you need to know about going on day trips to Wales in a pandemic

With Wales announcing new Covid-19 regulations - what does that mean for holidaymakers?

The Welsh First Minister has advised against new non-essential travel, however, it’s not illegal to have a break away to the country.

Whilst those in areas under local lockdown won’t be able to jump in the car and head to Wales just yet, people in Staffordshire can still visit hotspots like Llandudno and Snowdonia.

The Welsh Government said that it's not prohibiting holidays - whether that's in or out of Wales, despite advising residents to only make essential journeys.

The Welsh Government website states that accommodation, bars and restaurants are open in the country, with Covid-19 safety measures in place.

You will be able to go on holiday with people in your own, or your extended household, but must be limited to six people following the ‘rule of six’ announcement on September 14. Children under 11 are not counted.

MORE  https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/rules-you-need-know-going-4549915 (https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/rules-you-need-know-going-4549915)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 30, 2020, 12:10:02 pm
Conwy County Borough lockdown: frequently asked questions
Restrictions to reduce the spread of coronavirus and protect public health in the Conwy County Borough Council area.

Contents   FAQ                 
Overview
Seeing family and friends
Education
Childcare
Work
Health and social care
Travelling and public transport
Face coverings
Pubs and sale of alcohol
Shopping and other services
Places of worship, marriages and civil partnerships, cemeteries and funerals
Sport and outdoor activity
Other questions
Enforcement and fines

(search  gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions)


direct link  cont   https://gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 30, 2020, 02:27:19 pm
Steve,  that link was last updated on the 28th September 2020 and may have been overtaken by recent events.

It's very frustrating for people as the rules keep changing and very little info has come forward so far today and yet the new rules come in force tomorrow.
One thing that they did say on the BBC Wales news today was that only family members who actually live in your house can enter the house.  They also said that you cannot arrange to meet indoors in pubs etc with other family members who don't live with you

If that is correct then I'm scuppered for tomorrow        $drink$ 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on September 30, 2020, 03:27:32 pm
I telephoned CCBC because I couldn't find any information on their website https://gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions (https://gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions) about how the new restrictions would impact local Hotels and Guesthouses. I was told guests must all leave before 18:30 tomorrow and no new check-ins until after the regulations are eased, which is going to have a significant impact on many, in our small business community.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 30, 2020, 03:52:11 pm
Sorry Hugo, sorry folks, I missed checking the date on the above link re FAQ  (perhaps Ian could edit it showing the 28th date Ta )  :-[



Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 30, 2020, 04:49:20 pm
Don't worry Steve things are changing by the hour and might change again by the time the 5,00 pm update comes on.   

If Boris doesn't know what is going on what chance do the rest of us have?       &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 30, 2020, 06:05:16 pm
I telephoned CCBC because I couldn't find any information on their website https://gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions (https://gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions) about how the new restrictions would impact local Hotels and Guesthouses. I was told guests must all leave before 18:30 tomorrow and no new check-ins until after the regulations are eased, which is going to have a significant impact on many, in our small business community.


Blongb,  do the new regulations refer to airbnb as well?        I've had reasons to search the airbnb websites and there are hundreds in the N Wales area and I'm sure that many people are using these to come over the border especially during the first lockdown
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on September 30, 2020, 06:10:54 pm
If Boris doesn't know what is going on what chance do the rest of us have?       &shake&

To be fair, I doubt he's ever really understood what's happening. I think most of us have a better chance.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 30, 2020, 06:17:23 pm
This link may clarify a bit about what visitors from over the border can or can't do regarding holidays in the lockdown counties of N Wales

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/can-people-england-still-holiday-19024432 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/can-people-england-still-holiday-19024432)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on October 01, 2020, 09:41:05 am


Blongb,  do the new regulations refer to airbnb as well?        I've had reasons to search the airbnb websites and there are hundreds in the N Wales area and I'm sure that many people are using these to come over the border especially during the first lockdown

The rules applies to everyone Hugo, no tourists until the new lockdown is lifted.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 01, 2020, 12:49:41 pm
Fresh coronavirus rules have been brought in for Liverpool and Warrington amid a surge in cases.

Health secretary Matt Hancock announced that the two areas would see new rules on socialising and attending sporting events.

He said people living in the areas are being advised to avoid non-essential travel - but stopped short of bringing in rules to prevent people leaving the impacted areas.
This means people are still free to travel from the areas, through local lockdown counties in North Wales, and into parts of Wales where local lockdowns are not in force.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-coronavirus-restrictions-liverpool-warrington-19029070 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-coronavirus-restrictions-liverpool-warrington-19029070)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 01, 2020, 02:39:15 pm
Too many mixed messages and it's no wonder people are confused.

So the latest one for Liverpool could mean that people from the Liverpool area that has a hire rate of infection can travel to Anglesey and Gwynedd and have holidays there in areas that have a low rate of infection.
It makes no sense at all      &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 02, 2020, 08:22:39 am
Last week when I was parked on Conwy Quay the Liverpool Arms was very busy and there were no signs of social distancing going on.   Yesterday evening at about 7.00 pm there were only about two or three people sitting outside and they were all sitting alone.
Perhaps the cold weather had put them off but the new lockdown rules have also affected other parts of North Wales


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/eerie-pictures-show-deserted-north-19034586 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/eerie-pictures-show-deserted-north-19034586)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on October 02, 2020, 08:46:59 am
Most of the hotels in this area were in darkness last night, gates closed and car parks empty.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 02, 2020, 10:30:27 am
Quote
Posted by: Blongb
« on: September 30, 2020, 03:27:32 PM »Insert Quote
I telephoned CCBC because I couldn't find any information on their website https://gov.wales/conwy-county-borough-lockdown-frequently-asked-questions about how the new restrictions would impact local Hotels and Guesthouses. I was told guests must all leave before 18:30 tomorrow and no new check-ins until after the regulations are eased, which is going to have a significant impact on many, in our small business community.

Most of the hotels in this area were in darkness last night, gates closed and car parks empty.

Unconfirmed chat last night, that after most hotels advised guests about the new rules and issuing refunds, coaches were accepted by another hotel, who says, after checking with council, told they could stay until Sunday, lots of angry hotel owners ?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on October 02, 2020, 10:38:41 am
As I understand it, hotels can still accept people from within Conwy (the local area as defined by the regs) and people travelling in the course of their business, so the regs are loosely defined and as always, poorly implemented. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 02, 2020, 02:27:21 pm
They are still allowing people from the Liverpool  area to travel out of that area even though it is in lockdown.        The Welsh First Minister has written to Boris about this but to date has not received a reply, perhaps it's time for him to pick up the phone and resolve the anomaly   


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/partying-north-wales-college-students-19036373 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/partying-north-wales-college-students-19036373)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on October 02, 2020, 03:54:43 pm
Quote
Most of the hotels in this area were in darkness last night, gates closed and car parks empty.

Unconfirmed chat last night, that after most hotels advised guests about the new rules and issuing refunds, coaches were accepted by another hotel, who says, after checking with council, told they could stay until Sunday, lots of angry hotel owners ?

You can say that again! One of the comments after that stupid announcement was from one of the owners of one of the bigger hotels in the area. I feel a war coming on !

Strikes me that there must be a lot of conflicting news.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 02, 2020, 11:23:20 pm
Covid: Boris Johnson rejects Wales-England travel ban.       Is that just stupidity or the after effects of the Cummings cover up?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54392806 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54392806)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 04, 2020, 04:00:48 pm
The man that helped get the Tory Party elected flouts the Rule 6 Regulation.           Thank goodness he is no longer leader of the Labour Party

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8792113/Jeremy-Corbyn-flouts-Rule-Six-regulations-dinner-party.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8792113/Jeremy-Corbyn-flouts-Rule-Six-regulations-dinner-party.html)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 05, 2020, 02:51:42 pm
Quarantine rules considered for English hotspots.        It's difficult to argue with the logic expressed by Vaughan Gethin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-54419422 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-54419422)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 07, 2020, 02:26:08 pm
North Wales Tories 'encouraging lockdown breaches' First Minister claims.    It's a shame that Party Politics has reared it's ugly head again in what is an extremely serious Pandemic situation.          The Tories have made so many mistakes and U turns and told so many lies since this outbreak of Covid  started that on hind sight it would have been better if a committee of all political parties was set up to look after the interests of everyone irrespective of their political views 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-tories-encouraging-lockdown-19060294 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-tories-encouraging-lockdown-19060294)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on October 07, 2020, 03:28:42 pm
Hugo believe it or not I have had 2 very good meetings with the local MP yes I know my dad would turn in his grave 😉 3 rd one next week, in the beginning he agreed that All parties should have got together a committee, I was round town early today the vic centre notice said free parking something to entice the shoppers of Conwy county, outside traffic warden taking regs, c,mon Ccbc help let people park, the leader ( wet behind the ears) moaning about the welsh assembly and yet him and his cronies not helping.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 07, 2020, 03:45:31 pm
Norman, I hope that it's not the colour of your favourite club that has made you do this,   Uncle Bob would not be amused     &shake&

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on October 10, 2020, 01:34:09 pm
So, some people think that restrictions and lockdowns are too severe and I'm one of them.
That doesn't mean I'm in favour of throwing caution to the wind, far from it. I firmly believe in the wearing of masks both indoors and outdoors too in crowded places. I am a huge believer in keeping social distancing where it is at all possible but I am against the recent lockdowns in Wales. Is the recent increase in cases in North Wales a result of tourism? Partly perhaps but the real reason is the people, no matter where they have come from.
Months on from the beginning of this crisis most business places I have visited have now implemented whatever is needed to make life as safe as possible, the trouble is a percentage of people just ignore the precautions that are there for their benefit.
Yesterday I had reason to visit B&Q in Llandudno and I have to say you can't fault their efforts to maintain distancing. They have the space and it's well marked out with directional arrows indicating which way foot flow should go. Most people were, it appeared, more than happy to stick to the floorpan even if it involved a little extra walking but one particular couple just ignored them totally and wandered where they wanted. I passed a comment to the lady on the till and she just shrugged her shoulders in a sign of submission, helpless to do anything about it really.
All the lockdowns will amount to nothing until everyone does the right thing and do as requested. But they won't.Not if they are allowed to continue unchallenged.
In the meantime people like myself are no longer allowed to invite a carefully selected number of similarly cautious people we know and trust in to our homes. As winter approaches it will become an increasingly isolated life. I live on the outskirts of town but I avoid anywhere where there are crowds of people unless absolutely necessary. I have visited the town centre twice in 6 months because the pavements are too crowded. I go to the supermarket once a week.Full stop.
So what's the answer? It has to be rule enforcement but plans to introduce "corvid marshals" are met with derision and/or outrage.
85-90% of the population are prepared to stick to the rules if they are reasonable. 50% admit to having broken them in some form or other, probably having visited a friends house during lockdown.
Why do we continue to allow 10-15% to flagrantly continue to do as they please whilst the rest of us stick to the rules?

Surely the time has come to relax the rules but hit down hard on those that break the ones that remain in place whether they be individuals or businesses.
There should be sufficiently long windows of opportunity for the old and vulnerable to come out of their hiding places and live their lives without fear too. Times when the rest of the population is at work or school.
Only then do we stand a chance of retaining a certain amount of normality whilst maintaining a level of personal safety too.
Just my opinion of course, no doubt there will be those that disagree.





Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 10, 2020, 03:00:56 pm
Dave,  I have to agree with everything that you have said and sadly as in all walks of life it is the minority that spoil it for the rest of us.
As with regards to enforcing the laws on Coronavirus we hear so often that the Police haven't got the manpower to break up raves and house parties but that problem can be sorted out and it is not only the organisers who should be fined but each and every one who is in attendance should also be fined.

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 11, 2020, 05:49:28 pm
If anyone in Conwy County thinks that they are hard done by with these regulations just be grateful you don't live in Bangor!


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/incredible-41000-been-raised-memory-19086522 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/incredible-41000-been-raised-memory-19086522)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 13, 2020, 08:56:30 am
Police are keeping a check on the movement of traffic in and out of Bangor.     Perhaps they may have to do something on the A55 near the border if Boris doesn't do anything effective about the movement of traffic in the high risk Coronavirus areas of the North West of England



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-patrol-bangor-city-limits-19093125 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-patrol-bangor-city-limits-19093125)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 13, 2020, 01:22:51 pm
How to find out what coronavirus lockdown rules apply in your postcode area
This handy widget tells you what restrictions are in place wherever you live in North Wales   ref DP

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-find-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-19092132 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-find-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-19092132)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 14, 2020, 04:33:28 pm
About time too and I hope that Boris also protects the people of England in the same way.       


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/travellers-english-coronavirus-hotspots-banned-19103150 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/travellers-english-coronavirus-hotspots-banned-19103150)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2020, 08:56:03 am
A spokesman said: "It is clear that this virus does not respect geography and any new local spikes need all levels of government to work together.

“We’ve been working closely with the devolved administrations to support communities and businesses and it is disappointing that they have chosen to act unilaterally rather than collaborating with other parts of the UK.

That statement is a joke as Boris does just what he wants to do without consulting the other Ministers and is putting wealth before health.
It's a shame that Boris is playing Party politics at this crucial time

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-live-updates-leaders-react-19106361 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/coronavirus-live-updates-leaders-react-19106361)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2020, 03:32:05 pm
When the cars are stopped I wonder if they are all taxed and Mot'd       &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-patrols-number-plate-checks-19107060 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/a55-patrols-number-plate-checks-19107060)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on October 15, 2020, 10:14:15 pm
One way round the problem of bars being open ... !!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2020, 12:08:39 pm
What an arrogant pompous Tory       

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/jacob-rees-mogg-brands-hotspot-19109863 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/jacob-rees-mogg-brands-hotspot-19109863)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Cambrian on October 16, 2020, 12:17:16 pm
I wonder if WG is adopting the same "control" to the M4/Severn Bridge ?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 19, 2020, 11:56:48 am
A post on local social media ?  unconfirmed, but the cynical me believes it..... Over heard in Supermarket while waiting to check out.

A male commented on his overflowing trolley, that he had bought extra, having just been told that his Covid test was positive and he should isolate. 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 20, 2020, 11:36:00 am
 
      I told you if you kept on going to town and breaking the rules, you would end up in lockdown
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 22, 2020, 09:59:28 am
List of businesses that must close in Welsh 'fire-break' and those who can keep trading
Fans of garden centres will be disappointed but car repair garages can stay open

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/list-businesses-must-close-welsh-19145402 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/list-businesses-must-close-welsh-19145402)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2020, 11:06:03 am
But at least hardware stores can stay open it seems!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 27, 2020, 09:55:42 am
Covidiot from England found sleeping in his car and I bet he's not the only one , at least he's been reported for breaching the rules,    $good$               


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiot-found-sleeping-car-broke-19170726 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiot-found-sleeping-car-broke-19170726)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 27, 2020, 12:46:42 pm
A statement from the Gwent Police says  "We issued a number of fixed penalty notices including for house parties and large gatherings."
I hope that the North Wales Police follow the same example


https://i2-prod.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/article18298943.ece/ALTERNATES/s458/0_AFR_DPW_200520ruralCrimeTeam_03.jpg
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 27, 2020, 10:15:03 pm
Police say a 'selfish minority' are still flouting lockdown rules in Wales

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-say-selfish-minority-still-19175784 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-say-selfish-minority-still-19175784)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 30, 2020, 02:49:54 pm
As an early supporter of face mask use, I was annoyed that their use was not raised in this article by Dr Williams............

Chatting in homes, pubs and restaurants is behind the recent spike in coronavirus.
Dr Chris Williams, from Public Health Wales, said most cases were not caused by venues having lax measures in place, but were simply due to the way people behaved.

Dr Williams, who is part of a team which analyses people's behaviour in the weeks before they become unwell, said talking was "great for transmission".
Speaking to BBC Wales, he said: "People are getting infected in households, places like pubs, restaurants and bars.

"It's just the fact that you are talking to someone across a table or there closely with someone who is from a different household.

"Every time we stop and talk to someone, particularly if they're from outside our household, you have just had a potential transmission event."
He said: "Talking is great unfortunately for transmission, as is singing, shouting and that kind of thing.
"Those are the kind of things that we see, that manifest themselves in the rising numbers."

Dr Williams said the fact that Covid-19 was a "respiratory droplet infection" meant that talking was a particular issue.

He added: "So the closer you are talking to someone, the better it transmits. Speaking to people is something we find very hard not to do. I think that's part of the problem because we don't see that as a bad activity."                           ref DP
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 31, 2020, 10:34:04 am
11 people in court for crossing Wales border during firebreak lockdown but when are we going to hear about the North Wales Police taking any enforcement action?

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/11-court-crossing-border-between-19196785 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/11-court-crossing-border-between-19196785)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 31, 2020, 02:11:15 pm
People crossing the border from England into Wales in this lockdown period are quite rightly prosecuted when caught but the same thing should also apply in reverse.
We were told not to travel out of the County we lived in yet some people in North Wales are crossing County borders and going into England too.
Why weren't the Railway transport Police on board these trains and prosecuting those people who show nothing but contempt for rules and regulations?
It's not fair on the vast majority of people who comply with the regulations in force

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54755420 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54755420)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on November 01, 2020, 10:50:10 am
You are right Hugo whole thing is a mess and no one is enforcing the regulations.

Last Wednesday when we came back from Oban we managed to catch the 1230 ferry. Because we were booked on a later ferry we went into the standby lane at the ferry terminal. In the next Lane was 6 campervans waiting to board.
For heavens sake why are these people still coming up here,  and what area in Tier 3 have they come from ?

We have done well on the island so far with only one case in the spring, but I have heard this morning that we now have several confirmed  cases.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 01, 2020, 12:13:22 pm
I saw on the internet that Scotland is thinking of closing it's border with England and that's a good sensible thing to do.      I hope that the First Minister takes a firm stand with the border and prosecutes anyone who breaks the rules.      The time has gone when you could try to educate the rule breakers as these rule breakers know the score.
It's not rocket science when you want to control the people from Wales going on the North Wales train to Chester and beyond.   All that is needed is one transport Police Officer and they could enforce the rules.   If this was done then the message would get around quickly on social media
It's then up to the North Wales Police to monitor the road traffic to and from England
I'm sorry to hear about those confirmed Covid cases on  the island,  you should be protected from the idiots coming in.     Are they coming to their second homes like they are doing in Wales?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2020, 04:07:59 pm
Movement restrictions must have a positive effect on the chances of virus transmission but Project Fear is turning people in to irrational conclusions as to  who is responsible for these transmissions. If some one makes a bolt for their second home in the knowledge they will be safer there who can blame them? Is someone living in England a bigger risk than someone from a South Wales "hot spot"? Home made banners hung on the borders of Wales telling people to keep out are a disgrace in my opinion. What sort of message does that give to potential future tourists?
Individual acts such as the bloke who wanted to climb Snowdon when no one else was there, or someone having a spin on a motorbike offer virtually no threat whatsoever but they shouldn't be doing what they are. Easy pickings to make examples of though.
No the real threats are those who gather in large groups, so large the chances that many of them will be carrying the virus and thus transmitting it to others are very high indeed and yet they are basically immune from prosecution because of the numbers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055)
700 people and 2 are in custody and that was probably for violent conduct.
You can understand the police are virtually powerless to do anything about it and it demonstrates that at the end of the day lockdowns will not prevent people with this mindset from carrying on regardless. It's happening all over the country on a regular basis.
Meantime the majority of us toe the line and accept that we can't buy a book or replace a needed non essential item for several weeks.We can't visit friends and neighbours even to talk to them in the garden. We are almost encouraged to report these examples of wild rule transgression when the real threats to our safety get away without so much as the need to apologise.
This virus is doing harm in more ways than we imagine. Our health is just one of them.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on November 01, 2020, 06:11:25 pm
They should not be making a bolt for their 2nd homes ,  anywhere.
 It does not take many extra people to overwhelm hospitals in holiday areas. On Mull we have an excellent small hospital but it has few beds. the next option is Oban and that has limited facilities. After that it is Glasgow, 100+ miles away.
The situation is the same in North Wales and these idiots can not see they risk overwhelming the local NHS.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 01, 2020, 06:39:44 pm
Dave,  you are correct in a lot of what you have said but rules are there for a purpose and you can't Cherry pick which rules you want to follow and which ones you don't.
It's not a trivial matter because the Project Fear that you have described is real to those people who have to self isolate but not to those people who flout the law with their chances of passing on the virus.
People who live in England have been told quite clearly that they must not go to their second homes in Wales and that applies to the people living in Wales that they must not cross the border into England.    Don't the people from England understand that the NHS in those rural communities in Wales have resources allocated to the number of people permanently living there and that any additional pressure on them can have a direct affect on the health of everyone
Also we have seen individuals arriving in the Snowdonia area when the mountains have been off limits to the locals. let alone those from over the border so in doing what they have done they have broken at least two laws.
The other example of someone having a spin on their motorbike and posing virtually no threat whatsoever is silly, what if they have a crash and affect the already stretched resources?        Easy pickings?  then that's good for the Police because they really have more important things to do with their time than look out for those irresponsible chancers.       Perhaps a large fine in Court may bring them to their senses       $good$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2020, 08:50:05 pm
My point is being missed here. The virus doesn't recognise borders but it seizes the opportunity to spread where people gather in large numbers. I'll exclude Scotland but in North Wales anyone suffering from the virus is probably no more than a couple of hours away from where they came from in the fist instance. The Nightingale hospital in Llandudno has yet to see a patient from what I can gather. People fleeing to second homes probably do so to be able to isolate themselves from danger, not to go forth and have a wild time. Everywhere is shut here after all!
Relax the rules so people can live a little normality but hit those hard who break them by partying etc etc..
Basically we are all victims of the one size fits all set of rules which are quite draconian, harsh on those that follow them, irrelevant to those who don't  and consequently won't make a jot of difference to changing our futures longer term.
Meanwhile, I seek solace in bottle of  ref wine and several cans of lager both of which are a lot less expensive in England where the minimum 50p per unit of alcohol isn't in place. That's about the only difference between our leader in Wales and other communist countries where they encourage alcohol abuse as a way of keeping the population under control but even they might to have to reconsider that policy now too!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 02, 2020, 12:59:21 pm
Your point wasn't being missed at all Dave, you were quite correct when you said that the virus seizes the opportunity to spread where people gather in large numbers so I thought that there was no need to emphasise something that is obvious.
On the matter of second homes then that rule is also crystal clear, the owners of second homes should not come into Wales, that is against the law and there are no mitigating circumstances that allow living in the second home.
These people know the law and some are devious and try to get to their second homes under the cover of darkness and by having their belongings sent separately by courier van to avoid getting detected.     Unfortunately if they get to their second homes without getting detected then the Police do not have the power to evict them from that property

You will find that people who break one law are quite capable of breaking others too.      The Police have found this out to their cost when they have stopped cars and motorbikes that have come over the border.    No road tax, MOT's, insurances and false number plates have resulted in many vehicles being seized and the offenders fined and sent on their way back home.

Draconian Rules?    Do you think for one minute that we all enjoy staying at home and not being able to meet our friends and family?
We do it for the sake of our health and to protect the health of others and also because it is the law.
Just look at other countries like Spain, France, Germany, Ireland and Scotland and see the measures that they have put in place.
England on the other hand although it has acted with integrity hasn't been listening to the scientists for the last 4 weeks so now it has to go into lockdown for at least a month but probably more if what Michael Gove said yesterday is true

I was shocked and disappointed that Cllr Sam Rowlands said in early October that he was going to arrange a peaceful demonstration on Llandudno Promenade.
Then we have the Facebook group organising a protest demonstration on the Promenade on the 25th October 2020 which was completely irresponsible and stupid in the circumstances.
I just hope that no one in that large crowd caught the virus as a result of the meeting and I am equally disappointed that the Police did not fine the organisers of this meeting £10K  because they certainly deserved it
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2020, 01:48:47 pm
I agree entirely about large gatherings being irresponsible no matter what the reason.
Second homes are more a political issue than a health safety one. When does a second home become a first home and vice versa.If someone decided to sell up and move from England to Wales what would the difference be? OK, the population of some places might double but if quarantine was enforced the problem would be solved. The trouble is there is a resentment of those that can afford second homes and that's the underlying issue.
Meanwhile Mr Drakeford has the perfect scenario. Wales is to become a country where no one can leave , no one can arrive, unless they are bringing a sack load of money from London.He has control and is answerable to no one at the moment it seems.
As far as the rules go, I still think they are unnecessarily over the top when it comes to meeting friends and family. Close down public meeting places, but allow small numbers of say four or less or up to two families to meet in private homes and let them decide what's needed to protect each other either by keeping a safe distance or even staying outdoors. The biggest risk I take is going to the supermarket once a week and that is hugely more dangerous than meeting the handful of friends and family who I know and trust will be doing everything to minimise their exposure to the virus too.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on November 02, 2020, 02:38:49 pm
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The biggest risk I take is going to the supermarket once a week and that is hugely more dangerous than meeting the handful of friends and family who I know and trust will be doing everything to minimise their exposure to the virus too.

I suspect that's a false premise. It's like telling a secret to someone; you may be certain you're only telling it to one other trustworthy person, but they might do exactly the same. You have no idea whatsoever if those "friends and family whom (you) know and trust" will have become infected nor whom they will have contacted. Is that a risk you're willing to take?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2020, 03:02:00 pm
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The biggest risk I take is going to the supermarket once a week and that is hugely more dangerous than meeting the handful of friends and family who I know and trust will be doing everything to minimise their exposure to the virus too.

I suspect that's a false premise. It's like telling a secret to someone; you may be certain you're only telling it to one other trustworthy person, but they might do exactly the same. You have no idea whatsoever if those "friends and family whom (you) know and trust" will have become infected nor whom they will have contacted. Is that a risk you're willing to take?

In a word "Yes" Ian.

Family and close friends, of which I have very few, are the precious contacts which make life bearable.
They are sat at home in splendid isolation just as I am.They are taking the same risks as I do...a weekly shop and that's about it.
There is a risk of course, it can't be eliminated totally but it much less of a risk than having stop start lockdowns where people go mad the minute they get the chance and soon the virus is out of control again.

It seems that from next week we will be allowed to meet with one other household.... let's see what else the rules will dictate.
Certainly the Welsh border will remain closed to all. Travel anywhere within Wales permissible to all. The corvid rates in South Wales are amongst the highest in the UK.So where is the sense in that? It's pure politics.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 02, 2020, 04:32:16 pm
Dave,  where is this all coming from, it's just nonsense.      Saying that "the trouble is there is a resentment of those that can afford second homes and that's the underlying issue"
It's not the general  public that makes the rules, the Wales Government makes them and those rules should be followed whether people like them or not.    It's nothing whatsoever to do with the people's attitude to second home owners

Secondly what you have said about "the Covid rates in South Wales are amongst the highest in the UK.So where is the sense in that? It's pure politics" how is that political?

There are a lot of rules that are unpalatable but we must abide by them and the actions of Cllr Sam Rowlands and that Facebook Group are just unacceptable in the present circumstances.   Furthermore that Facebook Group should have vetted those speakers before allowing them to address the protesters as it did them no favours at all.

I've attached a link for anyone to watch, it's a 14 minute video of one of the speakers who obviously has a hang up of wearing a face mask.    I watched it for about three minutes and felt like I'd wasted three minutes of my life but we all have our opinions
Click on "Proof that Mask wearing isn't enforceable by Law"

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdlUk_QKGHfhQOd29rDhOlg (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdlUk_QKGHfhQOd29rDhOlg)


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2020, 05:42:06 pm
We are going around in circles here Hugo!

No, I don't want to waste time watching an argument for not wearing masks as I happily wear mine where necessary in the hope they work no matter how small the benefit might be.

There is no doubt that politics play a big part in all the decision making. Muscle flexing, power seeking, control, there is more than just the risk to health/safety being the concern. Leaders and they lieutenants are playing to keep their voters on their side where they can. It's pretty obvious to me, but if you think not that's fine too.

We all want this virus to go away, we just have different opinions on how things should progress. It won't just vanish of it's own free will so we all have to play a part.Blindly accepting that the rules we are given are the best way forward is not something I accept. I'm sticking to them but some are nonsensical to me.





Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 03, 2020, 02:02:58 am
I posted that video link for anybody to watch but I don't blame you one bit for not watching it.  The person in the video obviously has a number of issues and that Facebook Group should have been aware of those issues

We are going around in circles here Hugo!    I don't see why Dave because I've tried to explain it as carefully as I can but I'll repeat myself and say it again.    The law in Wales says that " people shouldn't live in a second home if they have a permanent home elsewhere" that's easy enough to understand
Of course people are entitled to have an opinion but if they disagree with the law that opinion is irrelevant, the law is what it is.
From November 9th 2020 the Wales Government are introducing new measures which mean that people from England cannot cross the border into Wales without having a valid reason for doing so.   That obviously excludes second homes, day trips, holidays, spins in the countryside and hikes in Snowdonia etc.
Accordingly people from Wales cannot travel outside of Wales without a valid reason

"There is no doubt that politics play a big part in all the decision making"   you are quite correct and I couldn't agree with you more.   My own thoughts are that when we started with this pandemic a Group representing all the Political Parties should have been set up and
be allowed to work free of any interference from the Central Government, but that is too late now
I think that the First Ministers of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have all approached it cautiously and in a controlled manner and that is evident in their results for Covid
The England Government under the Tory leadership of Boris and perhaps Cummings have taken a more Gung Ho attitude and put wealth before health even if it was done with integrity.   For many weeks now they have not listened to the scientists who were calling for a lockdown at least 4 weeks ago but now have been forced to take immediate action and have a lockdown for four weeks but will probably have that extended according to Michael Gove
With such an important issue like this why can't the Government forget about Party politics and get on with saving lives

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Helig on November 03, 2020, 02:39:46 pm
I read this and thought how similar it was to the situation in Dumfries and Galloway. There are second homes and holiday homes a plenty here. The second homes have been in use pretty well all the way through. There was an invasion of people from the south of England as well as overseas. There are some people who live in Spain and have second homes here. The holiday homes were closed to visitors in the main. Those that has agents acting weren't let as they blocked off any bookings.

When the last lockdown was lifted, there was a huge influx of people from England all of whom were buying properties in this area. The result is that there are next to no properties available to buy (or rent) now. The prices have gone through the roof and the local people are unable to buy, or rent, due to unaffordability. The only winners have been the estate agents.

The border with England has never been closed which has seen large numbers of people travelling to Carlisle for a drink in a pub. Carlisle has high levels of Covid. Since the pubs in England will be closed from Thursday, the Scottish pubs are open on limited terms, the travel could well be in the other direction. No doubt the virus will be doing the same.

Reports last week were that there were large number of people in the local hospital with Covid and all were from outside the area. This is the trouble with allowing people to travel as many of them bring the virus with them.

I agree with Hugo that we need a consensus approach which means a government of national unity. The Tories have emulated Trump, allowing the virus to run riot putting profit before people.

I am having a bet with a friend as to how many government ministers, or MPs, will break the lockdown rules this time round.

Helig
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 03, 2020, 03:43:25 pm
I'm sorry to hear that you are suffering in the same way as we are here Helig.   Mull has also mentioned the trouble that the Islanders have with outsiders coming in so we are all in a similar situation.
North Wales is near to the English hot spots of Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham so obviously we are concerned about them spreading the virus here. 
Our First Minister Mark Drakeford has made it quite clear that the border is closed to people coming here from England and also the people from Wales going over to England.     We don't want people sneaking in to Wales under the cover of darkness so I hope that the offenders are dealt with quickly and severely and I hope the Scottish F M does the same to your borders.

My brother lives in Thailand for six months of the year and that country has a population of about 69 million people, three million more than in the UK.     The death toll there is 59 so what has gone so badly wrong in the UK?
It's a mad mad world and lies and incompetence do not help with the present situation
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 03, 2020, 03:49:53 pm
Welsh police officers stop drivers at check point during firebreak lockdown              $good$

I hope that the North Wales Police follow this example

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-police-officers-stop-drivers-19211521 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-police-officers-stop-drivers-19211521)


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on November 03, 2020, 04:06:23 pm
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My brother lives in Thailand for six months of the year and that country has a population of about 69 million people, three million more than in the UK.     The death toll there is 59 so what has gone so badly wrong in the UK?
It's a mad mad world and lies and incompetence do not help with the present situation

I believe the Asian countries are aware of what can happen with these types of SARS viruses, and quickly adopted the use of face masks,
a quick search produced this item........

Why has Thailand, with a population greater than that of the UK, been largely spared the catastrophic effects of the Covid-19 pandemic sweeping the nation and much of the world? Social distancing is embedded in Thai culture – Thais rarely touch when greeting, preferring the prayer-like “wai” gesture to a handshake or embrace. Could this custom be at least partly responsible for the country’s low numbers?

There have been no overwhelmed hospitals in the country’s public hospital system. No dead bodies in the streets. No social media postings from frantic doctors or nurses. The country simply acted swiftly, and with a determined force.

Thailand was quick to adopt the use of facemasks, close schools and enforce social distancing on public transport, even before declaring a national state of emergency and curfew, sealing its borders and forbidding interprovincial travel. Is that what prevented the runaway transmission of the virus here?    cont  https://thethaiger.com/news/national/why-are-thailands-covid-19-numbers-so-low
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 03, 2020, 06:20:10 pm
So we all follow the rules because that's what the government tells us we can do.

Just been announced that groups of up to 4 people from 4 different households can meet in a pub or restaurant but not outside in one of their gardens. No apparent foursome bubble needed either so your could meet with up to 21 different people in a week. Work the maths on that out if everyone did the same!!
It's this sort of nonsensical rule that I have been going on about. It's supposedly about regulated supervision and if the pub does as expected they should be insisting on taking tracking details but I as an individual have to choose between a couple of family members or a couple of friends and choose which one I decide to bubble with to allow them to enter my home. I have no wish to go to a pub to meet them, nor meet them all together either and I'm perfectly capable of remembering who has visited should anyone need to be informed if someone gets ill with the dreaded virus. 





Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on November 03, 2020, 07:13:18 pm
So we all follow the rules because that's what the government tells us we can do.

Isn't that the same with all our laws in a democratic society?

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Just been announced that groups of up to 4 people from 4 different households can meet in a pub or restaurant but not outside in one of their gardens.

That's after the 'firebreak' ends but not at the moment.

None of this is ideal, of course, and the regulations have to be framed in a way that allows the country to keep functioning. But the latest forecasts foresee a death toll higher than the spring peak and the hospitals, which are normally packed anyway in December / January, being swamped by predicted increases in critical care demands if no action is taken.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on November 03, 2020, 07:34:42 pm
So we all follow the rules because that's what the government tells us we can do.

Isn't that the same with all our laws in a democratic society?

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Just been announced that groups of up to 4 people from 4 different households can meet in a pub or restaurant but not outside in one of their gardens.

That's after the 'firebreak' ends but not at the moment.

None of this is ideal, of course, and the regulations have to be framed in a way that allows the country to keep functioning. But the latest forecasts foresee a death toll higher than the spring peak and the hospitals, which are normally packed anyway in December / January, being swamped by predicted increases in critical care demands if no action is taken.

Should have mentioned after the firebreak.But, "none of this is ideal" , you're damn right it isn't. Makes a nonsense of the firebreak, makes a nonsense of the on going rules that I mention. Let's pray for a vaccine because all the other efforts are just blowing in the wind.

Yes, in a democracy you should follow the law even when it's an ass. Isn't a democracy where more than a couple of people have an input in the major decision making?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on November 03, 2020, 07:42:32 pm
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Isn't a democracy where more than a couple of people have an input in the major decision making?

In a representative democracy, such as the one in which we live, we devolve power to take major decisions to our elected representatives, and similarly devolve power to them to elect their own executive.

I have to admit I'm having trouble seeing what your real problem is. Everything that's been done thus far has been aimed at reducing contact between people and hence reducing the chance of transmission. In a perfect world we'd all have been issued with space suits and oxygen, but given these are unique circumstances I'm not sure what else could have been done.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 04, 2020, 11:13:15 am
You can't educate some people they still don't understand so fining them is the best option        $good$


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/live-euromillions-thunderball-draw-tuesday-19216738 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/live-euromillions-thunderball-draw-tuesday-19216738)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 11, 2020, 03:10:20 pm
Coronavirus: Court issues thousands in lockdown fines in a day, a hard lesson but will they ever learn?         $good$


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54903578 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54903578)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on November 11, 2020, 03:18:45 pm
None in north Wales ... ???
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 11, 2020, 03:39:23 pm
I may have some figures if I send out a FOI request so watch this space
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 14, 2020, 03:30:44 pm
It's good to know that the N Wales Police are pro active,    I wonder if the vehicle belongs to the loonie who was speaking at the Llandudno Promenade protest?



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/vehicle-music-equipment-seized-llanberis-19281632 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/vehicle-music-equipment-seized-llanberis-19281632)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 16, 2020, 12:01:41 pm
You can't educate some people



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/holidaymakers-visiting-north-wales-reported-19285253 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/holidaymakers-visiting-north-wales-reported-19285253)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 21, 2020, 04:50:44 pm
ABSOLUTELY STUPID,  THEY OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER         &shake&

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ae-doctor-partner-visiting-snowdonia-19322116 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ae-doctor-partner-visiting-snowdonia-19322116)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on November 27, 2020, 03:14:22 pm
Lockdown rules: What Covid tier is your area in and what are the restrictions?

What are the rules in your area?
Enter a full UK postcode or council name to find out

This information was updated on 26 November at 17:20 GMT.

Conwy
A new set of national restrictions has now come into force in Wales.

Full details.........  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54373904 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54373904)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 27, 2020, 04:50:49 pm
What's up with some people!

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-2000-people-told-wear-19354818 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-2000-people-told-wear-19354818)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on November 27, 2020, 10:32:29 pm
I am totally confused ... are my wife and I allowed to travel to Liverpool at Christmas time?

We have not mixed with anyone for months, hardly been out the house.

Liverpool is allowing three households together for Christmas.  There is my daughter, son-in-law and two young grandsons, and they are in a  bubble with her father-in-law.  Under English rules it seems we would be allowed to join them.

Seems we cannot invite anyone to our house, but we can meet up with two others in a pub anywhere in Wales (where I guess there will be other people as well).

But are we allowed out of Wales? 

I've looked at the rules and cannot find a straight answer to my question - can I drive to Liverpool, will not speak to anyone on the way there and back and will confine meeting to close family members only.

Straight-forward Yes or No, please !!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 28, 2020, 03:44:04 pm
Police seize huge booze haul from Abersoch beach party as dozens of teens break covid rules

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-seize-huge-booze-haul-19362655 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-seize-huge-booze-haul-19362655)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on November 30, 2020, 11:09:54 am
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from Hugo...My brother lives in Thailand for six months of the year and that country has a population of about 69 million people, three million more than in the UK.     The death toll there is 59 so what has gone so badly wrong in the UK?
It's a mad mad world and lies and incompetence do not help with the present situation

I believe the Asian countries are aware of what can happen with these types of SARS viruses, and quickly adopted the use of face masks

I saw a short clip of a shop in Thailand, customers (spaced) queuing, and on entering the shop, a machine checked their temperature, and that their mask was fitted correctly.

We should be learning from those who have been through this before.



Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 30, 2020, 10:45:05 pm
Covid in Wales: More than 3,000 fines issued for breaches

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55135394 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55135394)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 10, 2020, 12:39:58 pm
Heard a comment from Washington university ...........

They will save 9.000 lives between now and the 1st April with vaccines, however if every one wore a mask in the same period, they would have the potential to save 66,000 lives ....... ?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 11, 2020, 03:04:33 pm
ADDITIONAL measures have been announced in a bid to control the soaring levels of coronavirus across Wales.

At the press conference on December 11, First Minister Mark Drakeford said coronavirus in Wales had worsened over the last two-weeks, but today it was 'now very serious indeed' after deteriorating further.

He added that the fire-break period helped to bring down the spread of the virus but it has regained its foothold on communities. It is spreading 'faster than models predicted' and now holds a firm grasp in some parts of Wales

The First Minister confirmed that over 1,900 patients are in hospital with coronavirus and it continues to rise.
He added that if it continues to rise, 'we could see 2,500 with coronavirus in hospital by Christmas day'.

The FM said a large number of people who catch the virus go on to have a serious illness afterwards, they need expert care from the health service.

Mr Drakeford went on to say that NHS staff have done an 'incredible job' in difficult circumstances but there is 'only so much we can ask of them'.

He added that the NHS will not be able to cope if we continue to see these levels of covid-19 admissions in the coming weeks on top of normal winter pressures.
He said 'the future remains in our hands' and if we act together and reduce those we see, 'we can change the course of this virus'.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18938157.outdoor-attractions-close-wales-first-minister-announces/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18938157.outdoor-attractions-close-wales-first-minister-announces/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on December 11, 2020, 04:43:25 pm
All outdoor visitor attractions in Wales to be closed until at least Christmas ... so Mark Drakeford has announced today.

Having been allowed back to my volunteering job this week, after nine months away, I am really disappointed that's it for this year, not allowed back next week, Bodnant Garden will be closed.

I have met only a small few people who have been tested - but it does seem to me that they have not been asked for important information ... put simply, where have you been in the past month.

Have all the people who have tested positive been somewhere where there was a crowd, or have they been isolating.  If the former, then it should give some clue as to where to concentrate restrictions.  If the latter, then big problem.  Track and trace is of no use if you haven't got the app and enter the info of where you go.

To me, statistics is a tool to prove what you want it to prove, so throwing out the big numbers just scares people - but that's what the media like.  Looking at the figures that SteveH has posted - the number of tests is only 3% of the population and only 5% of that 3% is positive ... so where has that 0.15% been to pick it up.

One death is one too many, but how long is it between catching the virus and dying.  I know they say within 28 days but be more precise, where has that person been when they caught it - no precise way of knowing unless that have only been to one mass gathering.

To me, there is a lot of information that has either not been asked for, or is not being compiled, assessed and publicised.

Having stuck to the rules and was looking forward to visiting daughter and family at Christmas in Liverpool I am really fed up of the government(s) moving the goalposts so often, headless chickens come to mind - I admit it's a difficult situation but seems they have no idea what to do.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Cambrian on December 11, 2020, 06:53:04 pm
I sympathise very much with you DVT.  One thing which does puzzle me is the reporting of cases.  These are treated by the media as cumulative figures.  The figures given for hospital admissions can presumably be off-set by those discharged as "cured" but this never seems to be made clear to me at least.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on December 11, 2020, 06:53:21 pm
I agree. The entire thing has been mishandled from day 1. And refusing to close schools early makes no sense.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 12, 2020, 12:37:51 pm
Coronavirus: Court issues thousands in lockdown fines in a day, a hard lesson but will they ever learn?         $good$
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54903578 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54903578)

DVT  response    None in north Wales ... ???     

Hugo's response,    I may have some figures if I send out a FOI request so watch this space

Well this is the reply I had to my FOI request           &shake&




Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on December 12, 2020, 02:45:55 pm
That is an amazing response!  In this day and age when we are all being controlled by statistics (whether true or not) North Wales Police cannot supply the requested info because they haven't made a note.  I know they want to cut down on paperwork but surely it shouldn't be too difficult to log "offences".
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 12, 2020, 03:31:07 pm
I couldn't believe the response either DVT it's not what I expected.

The figures must be out there somewhere but I'm not going to follow it up.     My own feelings are that Dyfed Powys were able to supply their figures and they were impressive but I don't think that the N Wales Police had the same approach, especially while England was in lockdown
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on December 12, 2020, 09:50:41 pm
I couldn't believe the response either DVT it's not what I expected.

The figures must be out there somewhere but I'm not going to follow it up.     My own feelings are that Dyfed Powys were able to supply their figures and they were impressive but I don't think that the N Wales Police had the same approach, especially while England was in lockdown


Time for a reassessment of who we elect as Police Commissioner perhaps ?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on December 13, 2020, 11:08:34 am
Sums up the attitude of the Police all over the UK., ie

We are understaffed so do not log most of the incidents. Makes us look good by keeping the crime figures down.
This has been going on for while.

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 16, 2020, 10:35:35 am
Another high profile case of "do as I say and not do as I do"

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/dr-hilary-mask-forgot-shop-19466506 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/dr-hilary-mask-forgot-shop-19466506)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on December 16, 2020, 01:34:58 pm
I would hope that the person who sold the photograph donates his/her "earnings" to the NHS Charity.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 16, 2020, 02:37:29 pm
Lockdown rules: What Covid tier is your area in and what are the restrictions?

Find out what the rules are in your area of the UK, by entering your postcode below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54373904 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54373904)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2020, 06:16:25 pm
Here's the number of fines issued by NWP
http://www.deeside.com/north-wales-police-adopts-tougher-stance-against-coronavirus-rule-breakers-as-number-of-fines-issued-hits-583/ (http://www.deeside.com/north-wales-police-adopts-tougher-stance-against-coronavirus-rule-breakers-as-number-of-fines-issued-hits-583/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 16, 2020, 07:31:30 pm
Here's the number of fines issued by NWP
http://www.deeside.com/north-wales-police-adopts-tougher-stance-against-coronavirus-rule-breakers-as-number-of-fines-issued-hits-583/ (http://www.deeside.com/north-wales-police-adopts-tougher-stance-against-coronavirus-rule-breakers-as-number-of-fines-issued-hits-583/)

Thanks Dave for posting that information and it's good to hear that the North Wales Police are actually enforcing the law.     I wonder why they replied to my FOI  request in the way they did?     &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 22, 2020, 03:36:50 pm
Mark Drakeford gives Christmas presents exemption that won't breach lockdown rules
The Welsh First Minister's advice on the 'important' act of sharing gifts came in a letter to a North Wales MS

Mark Drakeford has said people can leave Christmas presents on doorsteps or exchange them outdoors despite lockdown rules.

The First Minister said that the methods could be used to continue the "important" act of sharing gifts during the festive period.
The advice comes despite lockdown rules stating any journeys must be essential and people cannot meet outdoors.

cont   https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-gives-christmas-presents-19505760 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-gives-christmas-presents-19505760)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2020, 02:57:51 pm
Police will stop cars and check why people are travelling over Christmas period
'High-visibility' patrols will continue over the festive period

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-cars-check-people-19519290 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-cars-check-people-19519290)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 26, 2020, 11:18:15 am
An expensive trip to see the sunrise


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/two-sent-home-christmas-day-19521450 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/two-sent-home-christmas-day-19521450)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 29, 2020, 12:18:12 pm
Some people seem to have forgotten the rules of lockdown.        I hope that the Mountain Rescue teams don't have to be called out to rescue people who shouldn't be there in the first place


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-beauty-spot-lockdown-drive-19532431 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-beauty-spot-lockdown-drive-19532431)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 30, 2020, 01:58:44 pm
It's not just people coming over the border  but irresponsible' locals have also been slammed for breaking Covid rules to visit snow-covered Snowdonia.


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/irresponsible-locals-slammed-breaking-covid-19538096 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/irresponsible-locals-slammed-breaking-covid-19538096)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 30, 2020, 02:27:08 pm
It's not just people coming over the border  but irresponsible' locals have also been slammed for breaking Covid rules to visit snow-covered Snowdonia.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/irresponsible-locals-slammed-breaking-covid-19538096 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/irresponsible-locals-slammed-breaking-covid-19538096)

People do not seem to be aware that we are back to essential travel only, and with an increased rate (55%) of transmission from the new covid variant, we all need to take the rules seriously.

From your link...Health Minister Vaughan Gething say's..
"The message isn't stay local, the message is stay at home.
"People can go out for exercise but it's to be able to start and end that exercise on foot or on a bicycle, to start and end from your own home.

"I know this is difficult for people, I do understand these are extraordinary measures we're taking but the problem is if you say it's Ok for me to break the rules but not other people, you'll soon find that we don't have the level of overall behaviour that we need to see to reduce the harm that the virus is doing.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 30, 2020, 03:56:16 pm
Police hand out fines to Welsh and English day-trippers for driving to Snowdonia beauty spots.     At last the offenders get their just rewards      $good$

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-hand-out-fines-welsh-19539759 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-hand-out-fines-welsh-19539759)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 31, 2020, 12:50:06 pm
Group of 4x4 drivers hit with fines after organising 'unessential journey' in Wrexham
Police were called to several reports of antisocial driving in the Ceiriog Valley

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/group-4x4-drivers-hit-fines-19543807 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/group-4x4-drivers-hit-fines-19543807)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 31, 2020, 04:19:09 pm
Illegal New Year's Eve rave at Welsh farmhouse being advertised on Snapchat,  will the Police be invited too?

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/illegal-new-years-eve-rave-19541349 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/illegal-new-years-eve-rave-19541349)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on December 31, 2020, 07:23:47 pm
Police shut down roads to beauty spots


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-shut-roads-north-wales-19545380 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-shut-roads-north-wales-19545380)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 01, 2021, 02:36:18 pm
The Covidiots still haven't got the message so well done the North Wales Police     $good$

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-selfish-walkers-snowdonia-19548413 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-selfish-walkers-snowdonia-19548413)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2021, 05:12:59 pm

Vehicle parked on a clearway on Pen-y-Pass #Llanberis. On a bend. In the snow. Accident waiting to happen

https://twitter.com/NWPolice/status/1345407688864391169?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on January 03, 2021, 01:51:29 am
Judging by the number of Cars that parked at the top end of North Parade today it's very apparent that a lot of people in the Llandudno area who do not understand the current lockdown rules or are just blatantly ignoring them. Yes you can leave your home on foot or by bicycle to exercise in your local area, but it is illegal to drive to a place of exercise. But of course that rule only applies to others. There are times when I despair at my fellow man.   
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on January 03, 2021, 09:24:34 am
Blongb  we  walk the dog on the westshore invalids walk I didn't realise so many people lived in Llandudno these last few days, it is packed like the height of summer,   How can we tell they aren't local 🤔 Looking for the goats is a big giveaway and asking where such a place is, where are the police, they are driving round but won't get out of the warm van.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 03, 2021, 09:28:58 am
I don't think that it's a case of people not understanding the rules, it's more that they are ignoring them and kidding themselves that " it's only me"
The same problem arises at the West Shore where people go to start their exercise or walk the dog.
I might be wrong but believe that since Dominic Cummings did what he did and wasn't punished for it, people have not complied with the letter of the law and try to bend it in their favour,  using their integrity of course

I've just picked up on your post Norman and my brothers are saying exactly the same as you.    The visitors are here and that is obvious in Rhos and Colwyn Bay too.
Where are they staying though, is it at Airbnb's  or caravan sites?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 03, 2021, 03:42:19 pm
Snowdonia National Park wardens claim they have received ‘abuse’ from visitors throughout lockdown   "The mountains are open for people to be able to exercise from their front doors. Keeping car parks open allows people with mobility issues to exercise as well.
I must be missing something here because I don't think that people with mobility issues would be wanting to exercise on the mountains  &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-national-park-wardens-claim-19555754 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snowdonia-national-park-wardens-claim-19555754)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 04, 2021, 04:46:33 pm
The Welsh Government would support police if they decided to fine more people for breaking lockdown rules, the health minister said.

Vaughan Gething said he was deeply frustrated by images showing people travelling in order to head out on walks despite the country being in "alert level four" - effectively a lockdown.

People flocked to beauty spots in North Wales - particularly Snowdonia - over the weekend to head out on walks, despite rules meaning people should only exercise close to home.

Speaking during a press conference on Monday, Mr Gething said: "The great majority of people are following the rules and are doing the right thing.
"Lots of these people are deeply frustrated to see people plainly breaking the rules.

"We have been in this position for the best part of 10 months now. I am deeply frustrated with people who are not doing the right thing and are finding a way to justify to themselves why they don't need to do the right thing."

He added: "If the police take a more enforcement-heavy approach with people who are plainly doing the wrong thing and knowingly doing so, they will have the full support of Welsh Government ministers in doing so, because all of us need to play our part."

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-give-full-support-19560410 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-give-full-support-19560410)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2021, 06:30:37 pm
As a follow up to Steve's post,  I came across this article  "North Wales Police says while many of the people turned away from Mount Snowdon on Saturday were from the North Wales area, some had travelled from the London and Milton Keynes areas to "walk their dogs and enjoy the snow."               &shake& 

It's a shame that their cars couldn't be seized and they were made to walk home or at least to the Bangor Railway Station

https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18982531.covid-19-people-london-turned-away-snowdonia/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18982531.covid-19-people-london-turned-away-snowdonia/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2021, 11:56:43 am
One very lucky Covidiot     


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ill-equipped-snowdonia-walker-stuck-19564477 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ill-equipped-snowdonia-walker-stuck-19564477)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2021, 09:19:13 pm
It's time the talking stopped and enforcement began as the first course of action


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiots-drive-past-road-closed-19569309 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiots-drive-past-road-closed-19569309)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 06, 2021, 10:08:44 am
Second home owners warned against fleeing English lockdown for North Wales properties


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-home-owners-warned-against-19569316 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-home-owners-warned-against-19569316)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 06, 2021, 10:15:07 am
Quote
Posted by: Hugo
« on: Today at 10:08:44 AM »Insert Quote
Second home owners warned against fleeing English lockdown for North Wales properties
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-home-owners-warned-against-19569316 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/second-home-owners-warned-against-19569316)

How Wales' Alert Level 4 restrictions differ from England's Level 5 lockdown
Here's how restrictions in England compare to the rules in Wales

In Wales, recent images of people crowded at Welsh beauty spots left the Welsh Government and Welsh police forces reminding people that, under Alert Level 4, your exercise should start and finish from your home. (I have read and heard this statement a few time, without the mention of "on foot", it would appear quite a few listen to this version and not the following.)

The guidance advises against driving to exercise, and says: "In general this should not involve people driving to a location away from home for this purpose. No journeys of any significant distance should be taken, for example, just in order to exercise in the countryside or at beauty spots."

However, those with mobility issues are permitted to travel to a suitable location but "no long journeys should be undertaken unless absolutely necessary.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-wales-alert-level-4-19569804 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-wales-alert-level-4-19569804)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 06, 2021, 04:46:31 pm
People have a right to refuse a vaccine,  that's called freedom of choice but would they then refuse NHS treatment if they caught Covid?
That idea of Spain's is quite interesting and I wonder if it could be applied to people from the UK  going on coach holidays in the UK or on holidays abroad.     As well as Travel Insurance and passports they could produce a certificate of vaccination to prove they would be safe and healthy to travel to the intended country

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55471282 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55471282)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 06, 2021, 04:47:33 pm
The guidance advises against driving to exercise, and says: "In general this should not involve people driving to a location away from home for this purpose. No journeys of any significant distance should be taken, for example, just in order to exercise in the countryside or at beauty spots."

However, those with mobility issues are permitted to travel to a suitable location but "no long journeys should be undertaken unless absolutely necessary.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-wales-alert-level-4-19569804 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-wales-alert-level-4-19569804)
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I noticed quite a few people who must have  mobility issues and they were parked at the West Shore car park just now watching the lovely sunset there.   
Thank goodness for the West Shore web cam so I can see it too
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 06, 2021, 10:53:12 pm
"Some people are just ignorant of the rules or just don’t care about others because they've yet to see at first hand the consequences of catching the virus.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-covidiots-putting-pressure-north-19575933 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-covidiots-putting-pressure-north-19575933)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 07, 2021, 12:13:01 pm
Human rights boss left North Wales holiday home on Christmas Day after being spoken to by cops

The lawyer has since apologised for making the trip, adding that she believed it was "allowed under the rules at that time".    It doesn't say much for her credibility as a lawyer
            &shake&



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/human-rights-boss-left-north-19578522 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/human-rights-boss-left-north-19578522)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 07, 2021, 03:24:16 pm
Welsh parents fined after their kids broke lockdown rules     

North Wales Police were asked if any had fixed penalty notices had been handed out to parents as a result of their children's actions during the same period but the force refused to release any information.

The North Wales force also declined to comment about its stance on issuing fines to parents of children who have been observed flouting lockdown rules.


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-parents-fined-after-kids-19579983 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-parents-fined-after-kids-19579983)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 08, 2021, 10:07:45 am
Two police cars got stuck in heavy snow while trying to rescue a 'stupid' motorist who skidded off the road after allegedly breaking lockdown rules by travelling to North Wales.

Police said the driver made the 20-mile journey from Ellesmere Port to Moel Famau Country Park, which straddles  Flintshire  and  Denbighshire and has seen heavy snowfall and temperatures as low as -1.

Officers said the traveler ignored the closure of the road and lost control of the car after skidding on ice, which caused the vehicle to veer off the road.

The incident caused "major issues" for North Wales Police officers who braved the freezing conditions to rescue the driver, which resulted in two of their cars getting stuck in the heavy snow.

The frustrated officers were left with no choice but to call out a local volunteer rescue group to assist them.

"Freezing conditions, putting my officers at risk in many ways and not just the cold .
"This is what we don't want. Breaking rules causes risks.

"One person's stupidity by ignoring rules and closed roads has now led to officers stuck in treacherous conditions.
"Sadly we now have to call out a local volunteer rescue group with 4 x 4 to assist.
Pressure on North Wales cops - and even endangering their families
"This is so frustrating and unnecessary and risking everyone."


Later, officers posted on Twitter: "One male in his 30s, who is lucky to be uninjured, has now been dropped at a taxi rank in Mold and will receive a hefty fine for his irresponsible actions.
"His car is badly damaged in the crash and remains unrecoverable. All officers safe. Thank you to NEWSAR for rescuing us."

Earlier this week, North Wales Live reported that officers patrolling the area found “many people blatantly acting irresponsibly” after breaking lockdown rules to visit the area.             ref DP

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 08, 2021, 12:02:37 pm
It's a shame that the Police can't charge him for all the expenses incurred in rescuing the idiot
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 08, 2021, 12:16:40 pm
I heard on the TV this morning that the Welsh Government has closed all the car parks in Snowdonia and it's not before time too.
Hopefully that will deter some  people from breaking the Covid rules          &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 09, 2021, 04:15:37 pm
The Covidiots still keep coming


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55604382 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55604382)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2021, 05:24:58 pm
A stunning day today and perfect for some exercise in the form of a decent walk. Where should we go we asked ourselves and decided a walk along the prom and half way along Marine Drive to the half way point, then up the tank track and over the top, past St Tudno's church and the graveyard then on to the Ski slope, Happy Valley and back home again. All legitimate exercise provided we stuck to the rules of social distancing, stayed within our household of two and didn't eat or drink anything along the way. We didn't want to make the national news did we!
So off we went tackling first the promenade..the most obvious place for Llandudno's locals to take a walk. Trouble was it was deadly with ice covering most of it's length before the sun got to it, and in fact it was still slippery in parts 4-5 hours later.( Maybe driving to West Shore or Penrhyn Bay would have been a safer bet but that would be breaking the rules)
Onwards we went , witnessing a couple of pensioners enjoying the view from one of the shelters with a take away Costa Coffee. Fine them £200.
Past the Grand hotel and a sign clearly states the road is closed ahead. We were passed by four cars by the time we got to the end of the Orme. 4x £200.=£800
A couple of walkers were having a break sitting in a sheltered spot by the Half Way cafe and about to start their picnic 2x £200= £400
The car park at the end of the Orme had two parked cars in it. 2x£200= £400
Walking over the limestone pavements I spotted two walkers one of whom had a map hanging around their neck. Can't be local 2x£200=£400
Carrying on 3 men each with a dog on a lead were not socially distancing and couldn't possibly be one household 3x£200 =£600
A little further and as I stopped to check my mobile phone to see where the planes overhead were coming from and going to. 1X£200, checking my phone doesn't constitute exercise.
Out of curiosity I asked the two ladies who had caught us up where they thought the eastward flying planes had come from. Manchester was the reply. They are either stupid or not local. 2x£200=£400
We walk past the car parking area up the road from the cemetery which has been blocked off with railings ( at what cost?) so two cars just parked off road further up. 2x£200= £400, plus another £200 for the car that drove past us on the way down the road before picking up the footpath again.
All very quiet until we got to the Grand Hotel were two young men were attaching their bicycles to the roof rack of their car. Outrageous. You have a bike and you put it on a car to take exercise 2x£200=£400 ( but I would have at least doubled it if it was up to me.)
Back along the promenade it was by now quite busy. Some one coming the opposite direction was operating a remote controlled car as he walked. £200
Further along an outrage. An adult and two children were flying a kite. How can you call that exercise!!!! Unfortunately you can't fine the children as they are too young 1x£200 will have to do.
And so we got back home having taken about 4.5 hours to walk 10 miles. Should I give us another fine, after all 30 minutes was considered the maximum amount by Michael Gove. Nah, he was clueless really as he doesn't exercise.
So there we have it first hand. Llandudno is crammed full of Corvidiots. I could have collected the best part of £5k if only someone had appointed me a Covid Marshal. If the money goes to the council it would go some way to paying towards the hundreds of signs telling me to keep my distance from others and the barriers put up to stop people parking.
Come on council , get your act together.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on January 09, 2021, 08:56:32 pm
 You could have made a citizens arrest in each case. Think how much you'd have brought the coucil tax down  +}}{--
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2021, 10:40:06 am
Dave,  I hope that you enjoyed your walk on the Great Orme yesterday despite what was going on around you.    We have all noticed that the rules are being flouted by a large number of people.
It's those same people who will be the first to complain if curfews are imposed and the Police step up with their enforcement and fines but they have no one to blame but themselves
If we all work together and follow the rules then hopefully the virus will go away quicker
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SAJ on January 10, 2021, 10:58:21 am
Happy New Year everyone.

I’m sure we can all cite examples of such behaviour, it’s unbelievable. Yet again over weekend, Police and Rescue Teams have been out locally. When will people understand that in addition to potentially spreading Covid, they are also placing others at risk by travelling. I’ve attached photos of the A494 through our village and uphill from Mold. These were taken on Friday and even though the roads were treacherous, Police turned away 100 vehicles from the closed road to Moel Famau on Saturday and two local were rescued after becoming disoriented in the worsening weather.

In amongst the Friday chaos was an NHS worker trying to get to a patient about 3 miles uphill towards Ruthin and going absolutely nowhere. Quarry wagon and others had to abandon and turn around. What is difficult to understand about “Stay Home” except for essential journeys?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 10, 2021, 11:15:39 am
Borrowed from someone on FB who had already borrowed it,....

Borrowed from someone else and couldn’t say it better myself

"What Boris/Drakeford should really have said
‘So, here we go again. I’m on your tv telling you things are going to be sxxt for a while. And yes that’s what I’m doing. I’m stopping you from going out, from seeing your friends and loved ones. You think that makes me a bad person. But you know what; this job isn’t easy. All I’m doing it trying to please you lot and stop you all dying at the same time. I give you rules, you break them. I ease things a bit, you take the piss. You are all a bunch of ungrateful selfish human beings and I’m now at the point where I’m only inflicting more rules because you idiots are putting ridiculous pressure on the NHS, by ignoring the things I have asked you nicely to do. You all think you are a scientist, doctors, experts. You aren’t. Neither am I. But I am taking advice from the best in this country and doing my best to please you all. So stop being so selfish.. yes it’s boring, it’s getting old, but it won’t go away if you all continue to throw your toys out of your pram. Grow up. Take some responsibility for yourself and your so called loved ones and do as you are asked!!"
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 10, 2021, 02:37:35 pm
Dave, I have just had a walk on the prom by walking and finishing from our home here in CyD.

Had there been policemen positioned between the Washington and the Paddling Pool, they would have earned thousands in fines with all the cars arriving and parking up there.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Helig on January 10, 2021, 02:57:35 pm
It is questionable whether the Police take enforcement of Covid Regulations seriously. I was out for a walk this morning and saw mobile homes parked down by the river at about 10am. They looked as though they had been there all night. This spot is used by people to park their mobile homes before they set off to travel further the next day. It is in a public place and open to all to see them there. This is the second time in three days that there have been mobile homes parked down there in the morning. There have been endless announcements that Scotland is closed to visitors and travel from England (and vice versa) is not permitted. I should have thought local police, who have a Police Station a five minute walk away from there, would be eager to do something. There was no sign of anyone on either day.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2021, 03:49:04 pm
We are all seeing examples of people flouting the law and getting away with it and they will continue to do so while no enforcement is taken against them.
I wonder if they would continue doing so if the Police were instructed to take more positive action including fines and the confiscation of the vehicle too?

Here's yet another example of those selfish idiots

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/council-shuts-car-park-after-19598214 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/council-shuts-car-park-after-19598214)


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2021, 04:21:20 pm
Actually I did see one police van yesterday. It was parked up outside the Chocolate Box in CYD, the driver was playing with his mobile phone but the engine was still running, presumably to keep him warm while his passenger was in the shop no doubt. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he technically breaking the law being in charge of a vehicle with the engine running and using his phone?
Anyway, today's walk took us from CYD to the Little Orme and back via Nant-y-Gamar and Penrhynside. I didn't see a single violation of the rules at all! Obviously a local walk for local people!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2021, 05:12:50 pm
First we had the idiot from Ellesmere Port who travelled to Moel Famau and crashed his car in the snow, now we have four more idiots from Ellesmere Port who were going to climb Tryfan in the dark and in trainers too.             &shake&

If anyone have climbed Tryfan they will know that it's the only mountain in Snowdonia that you need to use your hands to climb up it.
Personally I'll never walk up there when its wet or windy and certainly not in the dark because it is quite an unforgiving mountain



 https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-teenagers-who-travelled-19598275 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-stop-teenagers-who-travelled-19598275)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2021, 08:20:28 pm
They still keep coming and this one has had her car seized           $good$


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/woman-stopped-police-driven-almost-19598742 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/woman-stopped-police-driven-almost-19598742)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2021, 11:12:38 am
I was pleased to read that the woman surrounded by three policemen and fined for sitting on a park bench was a set up organised by anti lockdown protestors, she was being tackled on another matter not for sitting on the bench. I was also pleased to see that the two ladies who drove 5 miles in separate cars to take a walk and coffee as they went had their fines rescinded too.
Consequently, the amount of revenue I potentially could have raised on Saturday has to be scaled down. Do we really want to make examples of the people who sit on a bench on the promenade? I would certainly hope not!
We who live in most places in North Wales are extremely lucky, particularly in my opinion, here in Llandudno.We have the two Ormes, Nant-y-Gamar, the North and West Shores to name but a few places we are currently free to wander. Even on a stunningly beautiful day as it was on Saturday the north promenade although well populated was nothing like the scenes of parks in the centre of the bigger cities.Is it any wonder those folk would love to get in to their cars and head off in to the open countryside for their own well being and personal safety?  Instead they are labelled as selfish by those of us who enjoy similar freedoms on our doorstep. Yes, there is no way there is a need to drive a few hundred miles to achieve this, and certainly heading up a snow covered mountain whilst inappropriately dressed puts others at risk too when everything goes pear shaped but why push the population of Llandudno on to an icy  and potentially dangerous promenade by telling us we are not allowed to drive anywhere at all for exercise?
We are almost at the 12 month stage of lockdowns and rules and where has it taken us to? An even more severe crisis than we had in the first place. There is no doubt it is easy to have an army of armchair critics such as myself who have zero experience of anything remotely connected to managing such a crisis but there again, what benefits have we received from those supposedly in the know?
We have all been waiting in hope for the vaccine and let's face it we have had months to prepare but in Wales it seems our esteemed leader tells us we are not in a race to distribute it. Really? If he means compared to other counties I agree but that's not the race we should be comparing to. It's the race against the virus that counts. What went on in Llandudno the other day did appear to be a rather poorly executed plan with some vaccinators being given on the spot training on what to do. The elderly and frail stood around for hours waiting their moment. Each and every year we have been vaccinating against flu, shouldn't we have at least gained some insights from that? OK the Pfizer vaccine is a bit more complicated but the Oxford one shouldn't be. Let's get it done and let's do it fast. Hands onboard anyone who knows how to wield a needle!
Meanwhile back to lockdown, and it is what it is. I can at least say I have been advocating social distancing and wearing masks in indoor public spaces and outdoors in crowded ones right from the off...more than can be said for the Welsh government until they U-turned. I have also advocated the most vulnerable groups have allocated times where they can gain a degree of freedom without risking the chance of mixing with those who have waved two fingers at the rules. I suppose the flaw in that argument is that I have seen many aged folk doing exactly that, basically ignoring everything whilst others I know have not even left their homes for months for the fear that has been instilled in so many.
As for me? I have done my best to be sensible I take regular exercise outdoors, will stop and talk to people at distance and without fear they will pass on the virus to me. I ignored the offers of cheap meals to save the hospitality industry. Didn't get us too far really did it, delayed the end for some businesses perhaps but hastened the end of life for others I have little doubt.
The nations economies have been crippled by lockdown and future debts. Is it really necessary to close down all those small businesses that were far more effective at implementing social distancing rules than the big supermarkets?
Oh, and talking of supermarkets I still go once a week and do a shop for my shielding neighbours whilst I'm there. It is by far the most dangerous place I visit. The supermarkets have made bigger profits than ever during this pandemic. We are all eating and drinking at home. It's time they went back to strict distancing rules and one way systems. OK it might slow things down but we all have all the time in the world now don't we, and besides the longer it takes the less often we want to go. It's a win win situation.
The long forgotten track and trace told us nothing, we are just given statistics that tell us how many people have been infected and how many have died. There is nothing to tell us any statistics of where victims may have contracted the virus or any attempt to analyse behaviour patterns. Maybe it's too difficult but I'm willing to put on a huge bet that more people have contracted the virus in a supermarket than in a car park where they are about two set off on a walk in isolation.
So, now we are at the stage where we are being threatened with a total lock in. No one allowed out for any reason. One rule covers all. Or does it? No it doesn't. I live in a decent sized house and there are just two people living in it. I have a rather large open space of a garden too. Spare a thought for those who live in a crowded city centre flat with no open spaces at all. Plain stupid though that a huge crowd congregated at Marine FC's ground to welcome their team yesterday and despite the police saying social distancing was observed I somehow doubt it.
Let's face it. It's every man and woman for themselves now. We can't rely on others, if we do were doomed.

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on January 11, 2021, 12:15:37 pm
Quote
We are almost at the 12 month stage of lockdowns and rules and where has it taken us to? An even more severe crisis than we had in the first place.

It can be argued that it was the slackening off of restrictions that have created the current dire situation.  But in terms of whether lock downs achieve their aim, I suppose we can only look to those countries that have imposed rigorous lock downs, such as New Zealand and Australia, to see if it works.

New Zealand imposed a draconian lock down at the outset and have more or less seen the virus off. Australia appears similar and virologists and epidemiologists here both warned strongly against relaxing the rules for Xmas. Seems they were right.

The virus spreads rapidly; its infectious nature was noted at the start of it all, and the newer variants seem even worse. But I agree with your sentiment that those of us who live in large houses with big gardens should spare a thought for those single parents living in flats with several children.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on January 11, 2021, 01:08:26 pm
Dave I read your comment the other day, every day I/ we walk around west shore over the invalids walk ( born & bred up the Orme ) I too notice lots of people that are not local we won't go into how one would know that it's quite obvious  how we can tell, but you say about all the cars, our car will be there as our dog will not walk around the block by our house dogs are so strange, we used to walk round the Orme nearly every day but the seagulls screeching upset her too much 😂.. We have to drive / walk where she will go 😂😂😡🙈,    You mention the Queues outside venue for the vaccine Darren Miller once again got political instead of finding out the facts, people were turning up much too early for the app, and also training the staff, my sister has been a phlebotomist for 30/40 years but she can't do this no certificate mad. Harry Saville put a post out stating the true facts fair play to him shame Miller can't be big enough to appoligise.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2021, 01:19:00 pm
Just chatting with a friend..... on the phone I hasten to add..... and he tells me their dentist offered their services to vaccinate people as did a retired doctor they know. Both were turned down. Fear of being sued if  anything goes wrong is the reasons the authorities declined the offers.Apparently the document that legislates procedures is 46 pages long.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2021, 01:42:15 pm
Quote
We are almost at the 12 month stage of lockdowns and rules and where has it taken us to? An even more severe crisis than we had in the first place.

It can be argued that it was the slackening off of restrictions that have created the current dire situation.  But in terms of whether lock downs achieve their aim, I suppose we can only look to those countries that have imposed rigorous lock downs, such as New Zealand and Australia, to see if it works.

New Zealand imposed a draconian lock down at the outset and have more or less seen the virus off. Australia appears similar and virologists and epidemiologists here both warned strongly against relaxing the rules for Xmas. Seems they were right.

I don't profess to know much about the lockdowns in Australia and New Zealand but I was under the impression that it was more about stopping foreign travel at a very early stage , trying to isolate those found to have the virus and moving on from there. It was more an international lockdown than a national one which was made easier by their geographical position and make up. Wasn't a cruise liner full of foreign tourists also held responsible for spreading the virus there too?
I was in Sri Lanka in January and the day before we were due to fly home the first case of the virus had been detected in the airport. A Chinese lady on her way home was the unfortunate. It was weird arriving in the airport to find many, many people already wearing face masks so soon. It was also noted that temperature monitoring cameras were already operating at various strategic positions such as the top of escalators.
None of that happened here of course and far too many people were far too quick to jump on a plane somewhere as soon as was allowed with the governments blessing. Bit silly wasn't it! The warnings still weren't heeded though and there were those as recently as last month complaining when they were given just a days notice to get back home again before facing quarantine periods.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 11, 2021, 03:10:48 pm
Surely, the cost of a potential claim from being sued will be far outweighed by the number of lives eventually saved by individuals being vaccinated much sooner?




Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2021, 03:41:44 pm
We live in strange times Bri.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51180944 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51180944)

Having experienced  a case of negligence at first hand I have to say sometimes there is good reason to take matters further. In my case it wasn't for monetary gain but to try and prevent anyone else being treated the same way as my late wife was. That was 35 years ago and times have changed. In those days they simply closed ranks and shut up shop and you didn't even have access to your medical records. I wasn't successful in my attempts and was greatly saddened to hear my ex GP had treated another cancer sufferer in exactly the same way, telling them their pain was imagined.
Now people are trying to make money out of the slightest error which might be as insignificant as serving a meat meal to a veggie.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on January 11, 2021, 06:41:24 pm
Quote
I don't profess to know much about the lockdowns in Australia and New Zealand but I was under the impression that it was more about stopping foreign travel at a very early stage , trying to isolate those found to have the virus and moving on from there.

Indeed. NZ and Australia closed their borders. It seems to have worked.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 11, 2021, 11:06:21 pm
Furious mum 'ambushed' and fined as families hide from police at Snowdonia beauty spot
The Colwyn Bay mother was convinced she wasn't breaking Covid rule when she took her two children to Aber Falls
It's just over 15 miles from Colwyn Bay to Aberfalls


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/furious-mum-ambushed-fined-families-19604488 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/furious-mum-ambushed-fined-families-19604488)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 12, 2021, 10:06:41 am
A comment by the Colwyn Bay woman was that     "she was stopped by an “unsympathetic” WPC as she led her two children down from Aber Falls, Abergwyngregyn, after a family walk on Saturday afternoon".
I'm afraid that ignorance and stupidity are not an excuse in law so the only one she should be furious with is herself
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 12, 2021, 03:16:30 pm
North Wales lockdown restrictions and coronavirus cases in full - January 12 update   with Post code checker
The latest Covid-19 cases and restrictions for Wales - updated daily

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-lockdown-restrictions-coronavirus-19017420 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-lockdown-restrictions-coronavirus-19017420)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 12, 2021, 03:37:15 pm
Cops pledge to dish out more fines to Covidiots as they issue 'no dress rehearsal' warning, not before time either.         $good$                   The Police have a difficult enough job to do without all these idiots making it worse

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cops-pledge-dish-out-more-19609778 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cops-pledge-dish-out-more-19609778)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 12, 2021, 07:05:54 pm
A comment by the Colwyn Bay woman was that     "she was stopped by an “unsympathetic” WPC as she led her two children down from Aber Falls, Abergwyngregyn, after a family walk on Saturday afternoon".
I'm afraid that ignorance and stupidity are not an excuse in law so the only one she should be furious with is herself

Police issue statement about the woman from Colwyn Bay 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-issue-statement-mum-ambushed-19612254 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-issue-statement-mum-ambushed-19612254)



Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 13, 2021, 10:14:14 am
Rule-breakers from 'out of the area' visited Great Orme on way to York
Police say the four have been reported for breaching Covid regulations


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/rule-breakers-out-area-visited-19613086 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/rule-breakers-out-area-visited-19613086)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 14, 2021, 10:16:43 am
Covid: Are we following the government's stay-at-home message?

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has urged people to, "stay at home and reduce all social contact that is not absolutely necessary".

But are people acting on his advice and how does their behaviour compare with previous lockdowns?

What does the data show?      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55626008 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55626008)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2021, 12:10:04 pm
Some interesting facts there Steve, thanks for sharing.

Of course the one big factor to take in to account of late has been the weather too. Nothing like a day like today to keep everyone indoors!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 16, 2021, 12:02:00 pm
Covidiots drove 300 miles from Scotland to Anglesey 'without car insurance' to visit friends
They were stopped by officers from North Wales Police near Amlwch
     
I hope that the Police seized the car and sent them packing              $good$
 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiots-drove-300-mile-scotland-19638538 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiots-drove-300-mile-scotland-19638538)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on January 16, 2021, 01:57:09 pm
Hugo but how did it take the police that long to stop them, everyday we are on the westshore and packed with cars, where are the police they could park by the pumping station and ask nicely where are they from, you can tell when they are not local they think they can stroke the goats 😂😂
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 16, 2021, 02:20:16 pm
I've no idea Norman.     I have seen Police cars on the West Shore web cam driving down the promenade but never stopping so I don't know what their policy is.
Perhaps it would be more pro active if they got out of the cars and interacted with the public.

As for the Goats, next time you are on the West Shore put a sign on the car park ticket machine.      BOG OFF  ( But one,  Goat free ) and perhaps these " tourists " can take one of the smelly things back home
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on January 16, 2021, 03:27:00 pm
Hugo but how did it take the police that long to stop them, everyday we are on the westshore and packed with cars, where are the police they could park by the pumping station and ask nicely where are they from, you can tell when they are not local they think they can stroke the goats 😂😂

You have to remember just how far Police numbers were cut before the lockdown. There are only so many of them that they just can't be every ware and do all the social side that their job now requires them to do as well.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 16, 2021, 05:02:35 pm
I agree with you Blongb the Police numbers ( and the NHS  numbers )  have been cut so much the Police have come under a lot of pressure and it's starting to tell on the force.
A new law is coming about Travellers and their illegal camping activities and the Police are expected to deal with that as well as all the other things they have to do, it's going to be very difficult for them and I don't envy them one bit

One good thing I did read recently was that the North Wales Police appear to have all the new recruits they have been allocated but I don't know if the numbers are part of the 20.000  officers nationwide that Boris has promised for the UK
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on January 16, 2021, 07:47:22 pm
We have meetings with the police quite often, the Sgt said when he goes in in the morning if he gets 2  999 calls come he has to decide which one to attend it's that understaffed, we also have to rely on the Cheshire police to come in to help, we asked a pcso why they didn't become full time Bobby they said a new constable would be on a lot less pay.   
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 17, 2021, 06:11:36 pm
Driver travelled 270 miles from Portsmouth to North Wales to collect car bumper            &shake&
Police said they were left 'a little shocked' by the lockdown breach


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-travelled-270-miles-portsmouth-19643416 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-travelled-270-miles-portsmouth-19643416)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 20, 2021, 10:52:14 am
Vehicle seized in Snowdonia after driver caught without licence and insurance                      $good$


https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/19001414.vehicle-seized-snowdonia-driver-caught-without-license-insurance/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/19001414.vehicle-seized-snowdonia-driver-caught-without-license-insurance/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 20, 2021, 05:43:29 pm
Covidiot          &shake&


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55734551 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55734551)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 23, 2021, 07:24:17 pm
I wonder if the idiot from the Bangor area that was a speaker in the Llandudno promenade demo was involved in this demo.         &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-called-tesco-anti-mask-19688036 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-called-tesco-anti-mask-19688036)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2021, 10:35:22 pm
Man travelled from Manchester to North Wales to 'look at a beach' - but ended up getting car seized
He was stopped on the A55 and found to be driving with no licence or insurance                                                  $good$



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-travelled-manchester-north-wales-19697318 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-travelled-manchester-north-wales-19697318)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 27, 2021, 12:05:13 pm
Kamikaze Covidiot on the A55

Well done the North Wales Police      $good$


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/a55-covid-rule-breaker-clocked-19705905 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/a55-covid-rule-breaker-clocked-19705905)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 31, 2021, 11:46:00 am
'Ignorance is not a defence' - Police blast lockdown rule-breakers who made 200-mile trip to Snowdon
'The rules have been spread far and wide but yet people still choose to put others at risk


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ignorance-not-defence-police-blast-19736434 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ignorance-not-defence-police-blast-19736434)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on January 31, 2021, 02:58:18 pm
I noticed on TV the other night pictures of Heathrow Airport and the London tube, jam packed, no social distancing and very few masks, I found a story in the London Evening Standard , which seem to highlight the inadequacy of our border controls regarding quarantine procedures, those from infected countries can travel here from Europe ?

The “last flight out of Dubai” touched down at Heathrow 12.58pm on Friday, beating the UK travel ban deadline by two minutes.

As of 1pm on Friday direct flights from the Gulf nation are banned, slamming shut the world’s busiest international airline route between Dubai and London. Anyone without British residency who has been in the country is barred from entering the UK.

Dubai, the world’s busiest airport for international traffic, is a major connecting hub for passengers travelling to Europe from South Africa, where a more-infectious strain was first discovered.
The UAE has also maintained lax lockdown restrictions during the pandemic

Lets hope this is instigated and enforced......."This week the Home Office announced that travellers from countries on the red list — which now runs to 33 countries, including Portugal and most of South America — will soon be subject to mandatory hotel quarantine, although it is not clear when this will come into effect."

BA flight BA104 from Dubai touches down at London Heathrow two minutes before Covid travel ban kicks in
Video https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/dubai-influencers-home-office-covid-travel-ban-b917923.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/dubai-influencers-home-office-covid-travel-ban-b917923.html)

Heathrow Airport queues due to Border Force
Passengers at Heathrow Airport are facing queues because of an "ongoing issue" with Border Force E-Gates for passports.
One person stuck in the queues on Friday morning (November 23) tweeted a photo of the delays
Photo  https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/live-updates-heathrow-airport-queues-15455169 (https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/live-updates-heathrow-airport-queues-15455169)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 31, 2021, 03:48:43 pm
I hope that the travel quarantine regulations are enforced properly as I'm afraid that a lot of people who are told to quarantine or self isolate will not do so unless they have no alternative.
I know one person who traveled to another country that was on the UK banned list and she seriously broke the quarantine regulations within days of arriving home.
Furthermore she had two visits to an island in the Med and all three holidays were within the space of less than 6 weeks         &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 31, 2021, 04:04:39 pm
Not all the Covidiots are from across the border, some live among us.      Well done N Wales Police        $good$ $good$   $good$


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-stopped-police-tested-positive-19738266 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/driver-stopped-police-tested-positive-19738266)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on January 31, 2021, 06:16:56 pm
The worst thing is Hugo they are catching some, but it's bad how many are driving on drugs/ drink and getting away with it 😡
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 31, 2021, 10:18:42 pm
Many more are getting away with it than are getting caught, but each one getting caught should be an example for the idiots who are thinking about breaking the law
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on January 31, 2021, 10:22:53 pm
That's the problem Hugo they don't care and until the courts come down very heavy on them they will keep doing it, going up Conwy rd this afternoon they had stopped a car and were body searching him.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 01, 2021, 12:20:00 pm
Reading comments in a DP article this morning, reminded me of something that I have thought of since the beginning of the pandemic, why bring suspected infected people back into the country, I always thought people were quarantined at the place of infection, to control the spread ?        I posted on the 31st January last year Post numbers 84 and 85 http://www.threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,502.75.html (http://www.threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,502.75.html) the following...........

"Still a lot of Social media chat.... why use nurses accommodation, how long before can be used again ?,.... why are they issuing face masks, hand sanitiser etc, to everyone entering the hospital, visitors and patients alike ?..... it does raise the question, if this is the response to dealing with 83 possible infected people, I dread to think, if this was a more serious situation,...... also the explanation below still leaves me wondering, should we trust those who thought using public coaches and hospital buildings for quarantine  purposes, the best solution. ? surely this country has contingency plans ?"

and the comment I read sum it up quite well...........

"No, we are all in this situation because the UK didn't close the borders 12 months ago (& actually brought people back from infectious hot-spots, then let them wander around without quarantine).

We then put Covid victims into care-homes while infectious.

Results -
UK - open borders with several lockdowns, ~100,000 deaths = 0.159% of population
Taiwan - closed borders immediately, No lockdowns; total 7 deaths = 0.000003% of pop
New Zealand - closed borders a bit later, Several lockdowns; 25 deaths = 0.0005% of pop
( For context, population density's person/km2.
UK = 278.67 ; Taiwan = 651; New Zealand = 17.87 )
Early isolation is the first & most effective defense against a virus.

Jan 2021: UK has now just implemented a partial border closing 12 mths late !!
Closing stable door after Horse bolted.
Virologists & epidemiologists were screaming for boarder closure (like Taiwan did) in Jan 2020, but politicians ignored them.
So yes, it is ALL down to the inept politicians … but they'll keep their jobs & pensions.
The 100,000 + dead people, will be seen as collateral damage so they'll blame someone-else, say a few platitudes, erect a few memorials & move on. & WE will let them because that's what we do ! "

The comment comes from this article      https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-new-lockdown-rule-19739641#comments-section (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mark-drakeford-new-lockdown-rule-19739641#comments-section)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 01, 2021, 12:22:51 pm
English travellers flout lockdown to sledge and capture drone footage in snow-hit North Wales
Police said 'numerous' fines had to be given out over the weekend to people breaking the rules.    If the Police could seize all the cars involved, I wonder if this would deter all the morons?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/english-travellers-flout-lockdown-sledge-19742400 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/english-travellers-flout-lockdown-sledge-19742400)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 01, 2021, 02:29:44 pm
Bearing in mind my earlier post above, and the number of fake "fit to fly" documents being found at airports, not to mention a DP article today saying "While there remains some uncertainty about coronavirus restrictions, many people are still hoping to holiday abroad this summer." we need better controls at our airports.

Urgent testing for the South Africa variant of coronavirus is beginning in parts of England, after cases were found with no known links to travel or previous cases.
Over 16s in eight neighbourhoods in Surrey, London, Kent, Hertfordshire and Walsall are being asked to take tests whether they have symptoms or not.
Previous cases in the UK were traced back to South Africa.
But random checks have identified 11 cases that cannot be linked.

Public Health England has been sequencing around 5% to 10% of all positive cases that enables them to identify variants so there could be more cases in the community, we need better
In total 105 cases of the South African variant have been identified.

The 11 cases cannot be directly linked back to people who had travelled to South Africa, prompting fears there may be community transmission of the virus.
And the government has now sent mobile testing units to a number of neighbourhoods where these cases have been identified.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55889391 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55889391)



New COVID-19 variants: Will the vaccines still work?
As new COVID-19 strains are identified, questions are raised about the effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccines currently being rolled out in the UK.

cont  https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/will-vaccine-work-covid-variant/ (https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/will-vaccine-work-covid-variant/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 01, 2021, 04:07:04 pm
Covid: Dozens fined over south Wales house parties.    When will they ever learn?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55888176 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55888176)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 03, 2021, 10:17:12 am
Update on my posts above a couple of days ago, regarding the South African virus, it's getting closer ...........

Exact area where new Covid variant was found in Southport is released
Door to door testing will begin tomorrow for 10,000 people


"Councillors today said the case of the South African variant of the virus linked to Southport was located in the Norwood ward which covers areas including Blowick and High Park.

Those living in the PR9 postcode area had already been asked to limit contact outside their homes as much as possible as well as taking a test and long queues formed outside the Splash World testing site - set up for those without symptoms - on Monday night and Tuesday morning."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/exact-area-new-covid-variant-19756468 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/exact-area-new-covid-variant-19756468)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement.........South African variant in Conwy
Post by: SteveH on February 03, 2021, 03:28:11 pm
Update on the above updates...........

South African variant found in communities across Wales

Mr Gething said two of these three cases are in North Wales, Anglesey and Cowny, and Public Health Wales is carrying our a ‘detailed and forensic investigation’.
He said that there are currently three new strains of the virus that are a cause for concern, one being the South African strain and two from Brazil.
He added these mutations are ‘more contagious’ than the original scheme which led to a variety of measures being put in place
cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19061735.south-african-variant-found-communities-across-wales/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19061735.south-african-variant-found-communities-across-wales/)


PS another question to Mr Gething.......
Can people look forward to a holiday in the summer?
He says he is optimisitc people can have a holiday break of some kind but he cannot forecast where that will be
From this summer, international travel caused a re-introduction of the virus in the UK and promoted a growth through the autumn
If international travel restarts, they need to see what the rules are on testing and vaccines

We cannot go back to the days pre-covid, he adds
It is too uncertain. We are winning the battle at this point in time, he says, which will open more choices for the future
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 04, 2021, 02:49:12 pm
Perhaps its time for the fines to be increased substantially to stop these Covidiots

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/lockdown-flouting-travellers-manchester-stopped-19768434 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/lockdown-flouting-travellers-manchester-stopped-19768434)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 06, 2021, 11:50:11 am
Lockdown-breaking 'Snowdon visitors' stopped by cops - and they found more than climbing gear
Two people were arrested after a car was stopped in Prestatyn

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/lockdown-breaking-snowdon-visitors-stopped-19781329 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/lockdown-breaking-snowdon-visitors-stopped-19781329)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 09, 2021, 10:20:24 am
I was shocked when I saw the crowds at the Super Bowl on TV, also it is normal to hold house SB gatherings over the weekend, a super spreader event to say the least.

I did find an article that explained that only 25,000 attended, and the other 30,000 seats were filled with cardboard cutouts,  &shake&

cont  (not one of my normal sources  ;) )  https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/news/super-bowl-how-many-people-attendance/ (https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/news/super-bowl-how-many-people-attendance/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 09, 2021, 03:03:59 pm
What do the travellers not understand by the Stay at home rules,  do they think that the law doesn't apply to them?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/travellers-imprisoned-north-wales-caravan-19796916 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/travellers-imprisoned-north-wales-caravan-19796916)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 11, 2021, 02:48:08 pm
North Wales public urged 'we must stick with it' as new strains of Covid emerge in region
Police chief and top A&E doctor say it's more important than ever to keep following the rules

The Chief Constable of North Wales Police and an Intensive Care Doctor have urged the public to follow the government's guidelines following the emergence of new strains of Covid-19.

The Kent strain, which has quickly become the dominant form of coronavirus in Wales, and now the South African and Brazilian variant – mean it’s more important than ever that everyone follows the government guidelines in place.

Dr Ahsan, an Intensive Care Doctor at Ysbyty Gwynedd, sadly lost her father, aged 81, over the Christmas period after he contracted Covid-19.
However, over the last year he had been shielding, despite this he still got Covid, we believe it was one of the new variants which we know is extra potent and more transmissible.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-public-urged-we-19813169 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-public-urged-we-19813169)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 11, 2021, 04:39:04 pm
We are not all sticking to the rules and that is the problem.      We are all tired of lockdown and want to see all our family and friends but if we all stick to the rules then hopefully the lockdown rules can be eased sooner
Someone said recently that a survey showed that just over 50% of people were sticking rigidly to the rules but I think that a more honest survey would be below 20%.
People going into houses where they don't live at and also driving to  beauty spots or even to start their exercise are just some of the things that people do and they don't seem to think that there is anything wrong with it.
At the West Shore car park you will see at least a dozen cars there on a nice day but even more will be parking in Trinity Crescent and they are not all people with mobility problems
Yesterday I was talking to someone on the phone about exercising nowadays and they said to me why don't you drive there and no one will know anyway!
I will know for instance but that is not the point.  The more we break the rules the longer the lockdown will be with us





Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 12, 2021, 10:13:16 am
England's hotel quarantine system could be less stringent than Australia's scheme, a BBC analysis has found.

A copy of the government's official requirements for hotel operators, ahead of its launch on Monday, showed rules were looser in several key areas.

In England, the rules allow guests time outside with security staff, seen in Australia as putting workers at risk.

Home Office minister Victoria Atkins said the rules would be "amongst the strongest in the world".

She told the BBC those arriving from "red list" countries - deemed high-risk due to new virus variants - would face strict measures even before they departed for the UK.

cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56037420 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56037420)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on February 12, 2021, 11:17:00 am
You'd laugh, if it wasn't so serious. To enforce an effective quarantine, every single arrival would have to be confined, and armed guards would have to patrol the hotel perimeters. This UK government has dropped the ball repeatedly, and from day 1.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 12, 2021, 12:07:52 pm
North Wales Police to take action amid concerns snow and half term will encourage lockdown breaches
The force said it would be stopping people to check what they were up to
      I'm sure that despite the warning you'll still get the selfish Covidiots breaking the rules this weekend

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-police-take-action-19823874 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-police-take-action-19823874)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 12, 2021, 04:39:38 pm
Home Office minister Victoria Atkins said the rules would be "amongst the strongest in the world".             &shake&

Who is she kidding, there not even the strongest in Europe
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 13, 2021, 02:01:33 pm
Llandudno Police checking for essential travel only .................... ref FB
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 11:43:01 am
Very nice to watch but what is the difference between not driving somewhere to start your exercise and driving to Caerwys to skate?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-figure-skater-glide-across-19833216 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-figure-skater-glide-across-19833216)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on February 14, 2021, 11:56:16 am
I didn't really see any evidence of the 'stunning spins'. Did anyone else?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 12:54:07 pm
I didn't really see any evidence of the 'stunning spins'. Did anyone else?

The Cops certainly didn't when she was having a spin from Prestatyn to Caerwys.         &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2021, 01:58:59 pm

I find it surprising that people actually post that they have broken lockdown rules on public forums but since I think they have been too rigid in the first place I understand why.

Am I the only person to suffer from a flat car battery in lockdown? I have 4 times now due to taking the car no further than Craig-y-Don to Aldi and back. I walked to Halfords in search of a particular device I was after that would solve the problem. They were out of stock but the computer said there was one left at Bangor. I was quite prepared to drive there to pick it up too, shock, horror but it turned out they hadn't got one after all.

I managed to get started with the aid of a friend and drove to Llandulas to charge up again. I was surprised to find lots of cars parked alongside the river and when I asked a passing walker why he told me the police use the nearby community centre for meetings. I parked by the beach instead and had a quick walk enjoying the change of scenery. Covidiot? Perhaps but I wasn't anywhere near anyone else at any time. recent surveys have demonstrated that 53% of those who have caught the virus had recently been in a supermarket which doesn't surprise me. It's behaviour in those places that really needs policing, not those who drive a mile or two to the beach to walk their dog.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 02:10:08 pm
I suppose that's like saying you were only driving at 74 mph in a 70 mile limit so why should you get booked.   after all you've only broken the rules by a little bit

Rules are there for a purpose not for individuals to interpret them when it suits them
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2021, 02:32:41 pm
 So, which part of my rule breaking is the heinous crime Hugo? Driving the car to charge the battery or getting out of it? Or both?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2021, 02:33:59 pm
PS Driving at 74mph in a 70mph limit and you won't get booked for speeding, that's certain!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 02:42:20 pm
So, which part of my rule breaking is the heinous crime Hugo? Driving the car to charge the battery or getting out of it? Or both?

Who said that you personally had broken the rules Dave?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 02:45:55 pm
PS Driving at 74mph in a 70mph limit and you won't get booked for speeding, that's certain!

That is a ridiculous statement Dave.       Are you under the misunderstanding that a 10%  excess allowance in the speed limit applies in every case?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2021, 02:54:35 pm
So, which part of my rule breaking is the heinous crime Hugo? Driving the car to charge the battery or getting out of it? Or both?

Who said that you personally had broken the rules Dave?

I must have done, exercise is supposedly taken only from home.


but I join the folk in the supermarket who have legitimately driven much further than I did to buy their groceries etc
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2021, 02:59:15 pm
PS Driving at 74mph in a 70mph limit and you won't get booked for speeding, that's certain!

That is a ridiculous statement Dave.       Are you under the misunderstanding that a 10%  excess allowance in the speed limit applies in every case?

Find me one that has been booked then! It's called sensible interpretation of the rules. The same applies to everything covid related the trouble is we all have definitions of what's sensible and what's not. There are not many who can put their hand on their hearts and say they are 100% innocent of never having crossed the line even if only by a tiny tiny little bit. Go on tell me you are a saint!

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 03:09:38 pm
I'm certainly no Saint Dave but Covid rule breaking can be playing with people's lives and I'm not going to play Russian Roulette with mine or anyone else's for that matter
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2021, 03:16:25 pm
I'm not prepared to risk mine or anyone else either that's why I have obeyed them almost to the rigid letter but not quite as I have just admitted. If everyone followed my interpretation, and I think the vast majority have done too,  we would not be in the situation we have been and of that I'm almost certain.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2021, 10:08:20 pm
Minibus driver who brought group to Welsh beauty spot from England is fined
The bus was found to have driven 80 miles from Cheltenham into Wale
s
It's just a shame that the Police didn't catch the 10 other idiots

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/minibus-driver-who-brought-group-19838390 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/minibus-driver-who-brought-group-19838390)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 15, 2021, 03:18:15 pm
Home Office minister Victoria Atkins said the rules would be "amongst the strongest in the world".             &shake&
Who is she kidding, there not even the strongest in Europe

Everything you need to know about UK's 'quarantine hotel' system

QUARANTINE hotels have become a reality in the UK from today, Monday.

Some international arrivals will now be required to quarantine in a hotel room for over a week upon returning to the UK.

Generally, travelling into Wales from abroad is not permitted whilst living under the current alert level 4 restrictions. However, there are limited circumstances where it is permitted - such as for work purposes, education or to return home.

Here is everything you need to know about the new measures and how they may affect you:       ...........................   

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19090788.everything-need-know-uks-quarantine-hotel-system/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19090788.everything-need-know-uks-quarantine-hotel-system/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Blongb on February 15, 2021, 05:38:07 pm
Am I the only person to suffer from a flat car battery in lockdown? I have 4 times now due to taking the car no further than Craig-y-Don to Aldi and back. I walked to Halfords in search of a particular device I was after that would solve the problem. They were out of stock but the computer said there was one left at Bangor. I was quite prepared to drive there to pick it up too, shock, horror but it turned out they hadn't got one after all.

I was having the same trouble with my battery but since I started to use my battery booster for every start (even when the engine was warm) I've had no more trouble

https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/top-tech-3-in1-12ah-booster-jump-pack-with-tyre-inflator-529771211?gclid=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoXXHaq6-3wCOrx7dWbqJgXK_GqZxl6Ydq_IDtYdvGNWh9Mdgd7qiIaAlVdEALw_wcB (https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/top-tech-3-in1-12ah-booster-jump-pack-with-tyre-inflator-529771211?gclid=Cj0KCQiA1KiBBhCcARIsAPWqoSoXXHaq6-3wCOrx7dWbqJgXK_GqZxl6Ydq_IDtYdvGNWh9Mdgd7qiIaAlVdEALw_wcB)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on February 16, 2021, 06:32:42 pm
Its in Cumbria but it did not have to happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk-england-cumbria-56081225 (https://www.bbc.co.uk-england-cumbria-56081225)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on February 17, 2021, 09:08:19 am
Sorry about that , Link will not work.

500 foot fall by member of Patterdale MRT with life changing injuries while going to rescue a Covidiot.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 17, 2021, 10:10:17 am
Sorry about that , Link will not work.

500 foot fall by member of Patterdale MRT with life changing injuries while going to rescue a Covidiot.

Mrs H told me about it last night..........It does bring home the consequences of those being irresponsible. my best wishes to him for a good recovery.

Mountain rescue volunteer suffers life-changing injuries rescuing campers who breached Covid lockdown
Chris Lewis, 60, from Patterdale Mountain Rescue Team, fell 150 metres during the call-out

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/mountain-rescue-volunteer-suffers-life-19847960 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/mountain-rescue-volunteer-suffers-life-19847960)


Search page all articles      https://www.google.com/search?q=Patterdale+MRT+with+life+changing+injuries&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB813GB813&oq=Patterdale+MRT+with+life+changing+injuries+&aqs=chrome..69i57.2001j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Patterdale+MRT+with+life+changing+injuries&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB813GB813&oq=Patterdale+MRT+with+life+changing+injuries+&aqs=chrome..69i57.2001j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


"More than £360,000 has been raised in just hours for the Patterdale Mountain Rescue Team member injured in a callout earlier this month. "
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 17, 2021, 02:46:05 pm
I get really angry when I hear of irresponsible people going up mountains in adverse weather conditions and then calling out the Mountain Rescue teams when they get into trouble.
Every time a Mountain Rescue Team goes out there is always a chance that the rescuers could get into trouble themselves as this incident has proved.
You have been involved in Search and Rescue for many years Mull and would know how dedicated those involved in the rescues are.   Out in all types of weather conditions and taking risks in saving lives and hoping that everyone comes back safe and sound
It must be so frustrating for you to hear of incidents like this happening.       I know it won't happen but many people feel that those irresponsible people should be made to pay for their foolish antics.
I wonder if those people who have been rescued ever make donations to the MRT  but at least these people have been fined for breaking Covid rules
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Helig on February 17, 2021, 03:02:17 pm
I think the time has come to make people pay something towards the costs of rescuing them. It is all very well to do do this as a free service but there is a reckless attitude that seems to prevail these days. It isn't right for the foolhardy to put the lives of others at risk due to their stupidity. Some sort of financial cost might make them think twice before setting out on a dangerous escapade. The same can be said for the cost of treating them on the NHS when they are injured. This is self inflicted and due to their negligence.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2021, 05:54:08 pm
The same can be said for the cost of treating them on the NHS when they are injured. This is self inflicted and due to their negligence.

Where do you stop? Make everyone pay if they have had an accident that's their own fault ? Car crash? Falling off a ladder? If you were to say we all should take out private health care insurance that would have most of  the population of the UK up in arms or are you suggesting maybe just accident insurance, or possibly specific insurance for specific events? It's a can of worms when you think about it.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2021, 06:04:53 pm
I get really angry when I hear of irresponsible people going up mountains in adverse weather conditions and then calling out the Mountain Rescue teams when they get into trouble.
Every time a Mountain Rescue Team goes out there is always a chance that the rescuers could get into trouble themselves as this incident has proved.
You have been involved in Search and Rescue for many years Mull and would know how dedicated those involved in the rescues are.   Out in all types of weather conditions and taking risks in saving lives and hoping that everyone comes back safe and sound
It must be so frustrating for you to hear of incidents like this happening.       I know it won't happen but many people feel that those irresponsible people should be made to pay for their foolish antics.
I wonder if those people who have been rescued ever make donations to the MRT  but at least these people have been fined for breaking Covid rules

Mountain rescue teams are of a like mind of many, but not all, of those they rescue I would have thought. Of course some people are totally stupid and set off up mountains totally unprepared and with no experience, others are well prepared and want to challenge themselves. Personally I don't get it any of it. I don't want to risk my life doing anything from climbing a mountain to parachuting, even worse going down a pot hole. Everyone starts somewhere and some bite of more than they can chew but the rescue services are non judgmental and volunteer. I guess it's their choice and they do it probably to repay the fact that the rescue service is there for them too if ever they need it.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2021, 06:46:42 pm
A further thought, are the rescue teams themselves insured for accidents, injuries etc? Hopefully they are and it's paid for out of funds of that organisation. You never want any of them to make a claim but in instances like this you don't want the individual to suffer any financial loss to themselves or their families.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Helig on February 18, 2021, 03:23:07 pm
The fact that they had set up a fund for Chris Lewis from Patterdale Mountain Rescue makes me think that the people in these rescue teams are not insured. I question whether the insurers would want to take the risk anyway. Should insurance be offered I expect it would be very expensive.

It is common for people in car crashes to be charged for NHS treatment. This is met by insurance usually.

In view of the persistent problems with ignorant people putting their lives at risk and those of others as well, I think there should be some sort of deterrent to reckless ventures in the mountains etc. The rescuers volunteer for assisting people who are in a crisis but shouldn't those who have self inflicted their situation be held responsible in some way?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 18, 2021, 03:45:23 pm
It is common for people in car crashes to be charged for NHS treatment. This is met by insurance usually.

That's surprising and something I wasn't aware of although come to think of it, I once ran over a child who ran in to the road without looking as school was coming out. I was sent the bill for the ambulance.

Fortunately I had witnesses that vouched for me otherwise the police told me I would automatically be assumed as at fault. It was a 30mph zone in those days but seeing the potential I was driving at a much slower speed and the young lad was uninjured. The grill in the brand new car was in need of replacing, the dent on the bonnet knocked out. It all came off my insurance...the bill for the ambulance that arrived later was the final insult!!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on February 18, 2021, 04:02:46 pm
In view of the persistent problems with ignorant people putting their lives at risk and those of others as well, I think there should be some sort of deterrent to reckless ventures in the mountains etc. The rescuers volunteer for assisting people who are in a crisis but shouldn't those who have self inflicted their situation be held responsible in some way?

Ignoring the covid lockdown rule breaking for which anyone who seriously disobeys the rules deserves what they get....even £10k if they lie about where they have arrived back in the UK from In my humble opinion..... what do you define as reckless adventures? The list goes on and on. The Cumbria incident was treated as a lockdown rule offence and the fines issued were deemed appropriate. If there had not been a lockdown in progress the same scenario would still have occurred although no doubt the fact that the rescue team have to wear additional PPE might make things even more difficult for them. In actual fact the incident they were called to wasn't an accident but a suspected heart attack I believe.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2021, 11:00:49 am
It was, but the camper was later released from Cumbria's hospital.

This is a tricky issue; we can't eliminate 'dangerous activities' unless everyone is confined to their houses in armchairs. Mountain climbing is dangerous, of course, but it's also good for us (not sure I feel that way about potholing :-) and we need managed risk to keep us healthy. What we don't need is those who venture out totally unprepared.

But it's an interesting topic.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 19, 2021, 11:11:42 am
Police bust secret party in North Wales with 'professional' lighting and fridge full of booze
Around 16 people from different households were found celebrating at a padlocked unit yesterday


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/police-bust-secret-party-north-19869943 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/police-bust-secret-party-north-19869943)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 19, 2021, 01:34:46 pm
This is a tricky issue; we can't eliminate 'dangerous activities' unless everyone is confined to their houses in armchairs. Mountain climbing is dangerous, of course, but it's also good for us (not sure I feel that way about potholing :-) and we need managed risk to keep us healthy. What we don't need is those who venture out totally unprepared.
But it's an interesting topic.

I had a look at insurance cover, a bit complicated but, could be arranged, but probably only by responsible people, and not those who need it.?

This is from the GoCompere site........... https://www.gocompare.com/insurance/individual-sports-and-hobbies/ (https://www.gocompare.com/insurance/individual-sports-and-hobbies/)
There's a wide variety of cover available, depending on the risk associated.
Walking in the Cotswolds is obviously considered a far lower-risk activity than scaling a particularly difficult high-altitude peak in the Antarctic, and this will be reflected in policies and premiums.

The British Mountaineering Council (BMC) https://www.thebmc.co.uk/ (https://www.thebmc.co.uk/)  offer a range of insurance to cover walking, trekking, rock climbing, abseiling, skiing and snowboarding through to climbing in remote and inaccessible regions.

Operated through ProSight Speciality Insurance, the benefits include not only liabilities and medical cover as well as loss and damage to equipment, but search and rescue expenses of up to £100,000.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Helig on February 19, 2021, 03:01:15 pm
The two campers in the Lake District had set out to do wild camping on a mountain for the night in sub zero temperatures. There was snow on the ground as well as icy conditions generally. It was asking for trouble to do that as well as being unlawful due to Covid restrictions. Their selfish stupidity has caused one of the rescuers to suffer life changing injuries and I heard he will never walk again. I hope they lose sleep for the rest of their lives.

https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2021/02/08/pair-who-prompted-callout-in-which-lakeland-rescuer-injured-handed-200-fines (https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2021/02/08/pair-who-prompted-callout-in-which-lakeland-rescuer-injured-handed-200-fines)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 19, 2021, 03:36:35 pm
The two campers in the Lake District had set out to do wild camping on a mountain for the night in sub zero temperatures. There was snow on the ground as well as icy conditions generally. It was asking for trouble to do that as well as being unlawful due to Covid restrictions. Their selfish stupidity has caused one of the rescuers to suffer life changing injuries and I heard he will never walk again. I hope they lose sleep for the rest of their lives.

https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2021/02/08/pair-who-prompted-callout-in-which-lakeland-rescuer-injured-handed-200-fines (https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2021/02/08/pair-who-prompted-callout-in-which-lakeland-rescuer-injured-handed-200-fines)

I like this from the articles many comments...........

                     "Name and Shame these iresposible idiots. This country is too soft."
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on February 20, 2021, 04:26:56 pm
Police catch 'large volumes' of motorists breaking lockdown by heading to Welsh beauty spots
Some were caught with no licence or insurance.     Let's hope that in those incidents the cars were seized and the offenders were made to make their own way home       $good$



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-catch-large-volumes-motorists-19878864 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-catch-large-volumes-motorists-19878864)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2021, 10:18:01 am
London yesterday       

click to enlarge.......
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on February 27, 2021, 09:51:09 am
Lots of people meeting up and going for walks or cycling..........that's after parking their cars around the Westshore side streets  &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on February 27, 2021, 11:45:15 am
As the man said we are nearly there geting over the virus but...........you watch the idiots  blow it by bending the rules

How can people be so stupid.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2021, 01:53:41 pm
Merseyside couple returning from Dubai hit with £20,000 in fines after failing to quarantine
They have since been taken to a designated quarantine hotel

 "In this instance, the pair in question avoided a direct flight route back from Dubai to one of the specified airports in an attempt to evade this process, however, this was ultimately unsuccessful and has now resulted in a significant fine of £10,000 each.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/merseyside-couple-returning-dubai-hit-19946010 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/merseyside-couple-returning-dubai-hit-19946010)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2021, 10:04:49 am
I had an e-mail from a friend in Anglesey and he advised me that over the last weekend the Police had issued 30 fines for Covid offences at Newborough.      On Sunday the Police were subject to a lot of abuse from Covidiot yobs who had traveled from Manchester for the day.
He wondered what it would be like in Newborough at Easter time when the idiots will be coming over in droves.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 06, 2021, 02:58:46 pm
Welsh Government offers no guarantee you can travel far when stay at home rule is lifted
The next 21 day restrictions review announcement takes place on Friday, March 12

The Welsh Government has offered no guarantee that people will be able to travel far from their homes when the stay at home rule is lifted.

Since lockdown began in December, people in Wales have been told that they can only leave their home if they have a reasonable excuse, like work, buying essentials or exercise.

And while exercise which starts and finishes at home has been permitted, driving to do so is not.

Two weeks ago, at the last 21-day review, First Minister Mark Drakeford indicated that the stay at home rules would end, Wales Online reports.

However, it does not automatically mean you will be able to travel as far as you like within Wales after this point.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/welsh-government-offers-no-guarantee-19980551 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/welsh-government-offers-no-guarantee-19980551)
cont
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 06, 2021, 05:11:08 pm
.Since lockdown began in December, people in Wales have been told that they can only leave their home if they have a reasonable excuse, like work, buying essentials or exercise.

And while exercise which starts and finishes at home has been permitted, driving to do so is not.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/welsh-government-offers-no-guarantee-19980551 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/welsh-government-offers-no-guarantee-19980551)
cont

I'm afraid that there are many people who are just not complying with the lockdown rules, in fact I only know of three people who have not broken the rules in one way or another.     More people were compliant in the first lockdown when car parks were closed and Colwyn Bay had a ban on cars parking on the promenade with a notice saying that any cars that were parked there would be towed away.
Some people seem to defy the law and think like that idiot from Rhos on Sea.   To quote him " Is it not our most basic human right to decide for ourselves what is good and essential for our well being?" 
Then they complain when they are caught breaking the law.        &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 07, 2021, 11:06:33 pm
Covid: Traffic on Welsh roads 60% higher than first lockdown and Conwy doesn't come out of it very well


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56283514 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56283514)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 09, 2021, 05:11:45 am
A search party made up of more than 20 volunteers, police, and dog rescue teams were called out to find a pair who visited a Welsh beauty spot.

Two women travelled more than an hour to visit a waterfall yesterday to exercise, despite the current stay at home lockdown restrictions.
    They are not just Covidiots but selfish irresponsible stupid people


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/lockdown-flouting-trip-welsh-beauty-19994027 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/lockdown-flouting-trip-welsh-beauty-19994027)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 13, 2021, 10:25:06 am
Lockdown: Tourism halt 'if people from outside Wales book'

Mark Drakeford said the "penalty" for businesses acting "irresponsibly" would be that further reopening would end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56375684?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56375684?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 13, 2021, 12:36:35 pm
The idiots are still coming here         &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-drove-250-miles-north-20130711 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-drove-250-miles-north-20130711)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on March 13, 2021, 12:42:28 pm
What amazes me with may of the reports of people travelling long distances to get here is that they are not just breaking the rules on Covid ... they also break the rules on driving without insurance, tax, MoT, sometimes banned form driving, and with a supply of drugs.

These people are not just covidiots - they are total idiots even without Covid.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 13, 2021, 05:23:09 pm
I completely agree with you DVT but how do they get away with it before being stopped in Wales?

I know of one local business man who has 6 vehicles but only one has a valid MOT certificate.       The DVLA and the Police know about it but both bodies do nothing whatsoever about stopping it.       I'm also wondering just how few cars the North Wales Police have that are fitted with ANPR cameras on them, really all the cars should be fitted with them.

The lack of positive action by the DVLA has nothing whatsoever to deal with Covid infections, they have been useless for years and the loss of revenue due to their lack of enforcement is quite staggering
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 16, 2021, 06:27:31 pm
Travellers travelling when they shouldn't and now they are camped in a beauty spot that was locked.      You would assume that the Police have powers to just evict them  without the Wrexham Council having to deal with the matter
A spokeswoman for Wrexham Council, said: “We are aware of the situation and have visited the site and served the appropriate notice to leave to those concerned.”     They seem to think that they are above the law and will keep thinking that if a tougher stance is not taken against them


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caravans-set-up-camp-north-20187274 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caravans-set-up-camp-north-20187274)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on March 20, 2021, 04:33:45 pm
Thanks to these cov-idiots we who have abided by lockdown restrictions can look forward to yet more isolation, just as we seemed to be returning to some sort of normality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56469687 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56469687)

Is it not our human right to be able to be free to enjoy life, without being affected by these idiots.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 20, 2021, 05:20:08 pm
I feel the same as  you do DVT,  we may not like the lockdown rules but abide by them for the sake of our health and also the health of others.
I knew that many people were breaking the rules just by looking at the West Shore Web Cam but when I came to Llandudno yesterday I was shocked by the number of cars on the Parade, no one would have known that we were still in a lockdown situation
There were quite a few motorhomes there too
It's a shame that the Police don't have a Police officer on the beat there and that they can't seize the vehicles at the same time
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on March 21, 2021, 03:47:02 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56475051 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56475051)

1500 incidents in south Wales following the rugby yesterday - thank you all who participated for probably extending the lockdown restrictions.

What is the point of fining the idiots - other than to help pay for the Police - if I had my way I'd lock them all up for a minimum ten days with no facilities - make it clear now that's what will happen if there is a repeat of the celebrations next weekend if France fail score enough points.


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 24, 2021, 10:30:49 am
The combination of a 90% off clothing at M&S yesterday, and those who think a bargain is more important than coming out of lock down sensibly, is/was very disappointing, a queue with shoppers standing shoulder to shoulder on a mobbed Mostyn  St, ignoring the rules is not a good sign for the continuing drop in Covid numbers, it would appear also by various comments on social media, that as a lot of people have had the vaccine, every thing is OK now.      &shake&                                                               
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 24, 2021, 10:34:40 am
Action stepped up to remove caravan camp from North Wales beauty spot
Wrexham council is looking at all legal options available to it as visitors avoid using the park's facilities.      Time and again we see this type of action from the travelling community but there seems to be little Police involvement to help the local councils or individuals affected by the travellers actions
There must be Covid regulations that are broken as well as other offences too so why should they get away with it?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/action-stepped-up-remove-caravan-20236878 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/action-stepped-up-remove-caravan-20236878)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 24, 2021, 03:12:27 pm
Perhaps the fines should have been drastically increased to deter idiots like these six people

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/house-party-broken-up-cops-20244565 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/house-party-broken-up-cops-20244565)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on March 24, 2021, 03:46:39 pm
I do wonder if fines are the answer ... I guess this group could afford a couple of hundred quid.  So why not compound their cars, lock them in the bulding so that they can isolate for 10 days to ensure they are not spreading the virus.

I also wonder about fines for the rioters and suchlike scum ... I suspect most are on benefits or cannot pay the fines.  Ship them to a remote island and dump them there for a month.  Also really publicise that fact so as to deter others, I am of the opinion that the media support rioters as it gives them plenty of words to scribble.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 24, 2021, 05:01:25 pm
DVY,   I suspect most people have exactly the safe thoughts as you have expressed.     I know that I feel the same and just wish that the cars could be impounded for the same length of time as people have to isolate.
The present system doesn't seem a deterrent or otherwise they still wouldn't travel over the border.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on March 25, 2021, 06:00:00 pm
It's not unexpected but how does that community get away with it every time?

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caravan-camp-clear-up-after-20251706 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caravan-camp-clear-up-after-20251706)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 30, 2021, 12:30:26 pm
'Madness' as hundreds descend on Nottingham park

Police have warned people to stick to coronavirus rules after large crowds were seen brawling and drinking in a city park on the day restrictions eased.

Videos shared on social media showed some hugging and others pushing and shoving at Nottingham Arboretum.

One local resident described the scenes as "horrendous".

cont/video   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-56575135 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-56575135)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on March 31, 2021, 03:52:01 pm
Interesting and scary article and photo gallery .........................

Covid:  'Don't blow it' says health secretary as thousands gather in sunshine

"When I see the pictures I do get anxious," Prof Sian Griffiths, a senior public health official, told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"If we're not in a household bubble we need to be two metres apart and I don't think those pictures look like that's happening."

cont / photo's    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56588196 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56588196)

Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: DVT on March 31, 2021, 10:14:38 pm
A friend told me today about when things were a little relaxed after the first lockdown.  A friend of hers from south Wales visited Llandudno and was amazed how people stepped aside and everyone was abiding by the social distancing regulations... it was stated that in the south Wales towns such as Port Talbot and others social distancing was totally ignored ... those that chose to abide by the regulations did not go out, those that didn't abide just carried on as before.

Yes, there are pockets in north Wales where social distancing has been ignored, but it does seem that the majority of us within the three towns area have been penalised due to non-compliant people in other parts ofthe country.  Whether you like Boris or not his idea of different towns/cities being in different tiers seems much better than Drakeford imposing Tier 4 on the whole of Wales just because of the southerners.

I have today spent most of the day outside in a well-known tourist venue, with 1500 visitors - and I saw no instance of anyone breaking the 2 metre rule, everyone complying and enjoying the day out.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 05, 2021, 03:39:41 pm
Every Welsh lockdown rule change and what to expect for the rest of 2021
All the key stages as Wales sets a path back to a post-Covid-19 normality

First Minister Mark Drakeford has revealed his step-by-step plan on how measures could change between now and June but we may have to accept that some measures are due to stay until next year.


All the upcoming changes for Wales by date
From April 12:

Schools can fully re-open to all pupils following the Easter break while all post-16 learners will return to further education and training centres and university campuses will be able to open for blended face-to-face and online learning for all students
all remaining non-essential shops can re-open
close contact services like massage therapists and tattooists can open again and this includes mobile services
travel into and out of Wales from the United Kingdom and Common Travel area (the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, and the Republic of Ireland) is once again permitted but travel to any other country requires a reasonable excuse, such as work or compassionate grounds
viewings at wedding venues can resume by appointment
outdoor canvassing for elections can begin
driving lessons can resume
From April 26:

outdoor attractions, including funfairs and theme parks, would be allowed to re-open
hospitality can resume outdoor service including at cafes, pubs, and restaurants but indoor hospitality will remain restricted
From May 3:

organised outdoor activities for up to 30 people can take place
weddings receptions can take place outdoors but will also be limited to 30 people
From May 10:

gyms, leisure centres, and fitness facilities can re-open. This will include individual or one-to-one training but not exercise classes
extended households will again allow two households to meet and have contact indoors
From May 17:

Wales would enter alert level three
children’s indoor activities would be able to resume
community centres would be able to re-open
organised indoor activities for adults, including exercise classes, would be allowed to resume limited to a maximum of 15 people

The next review will take place on May 13. After May 17 consideration will be given to enabling indoor hospitality and remaining visitor accommodation to re-open “in advance of” the spring bank holiday on May 31. All changes remain subject to public health conditions continuing to remain favourable.

more https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/every-welsh-lockdown-rule-change-20323781 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/every-welsh-lockdown-rule-change-20323781)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on April 23, 2021, 09:52:30 am
FURTHER changes to the coronavirus restrictions have been announced by the First Minister Mark Drakeford today.

The Welsh Government has confirmed further relaxations will be brought forward from 17 May to 3 May – including the resumption of indoor supervised activities for children, indoor organised activities for up to 15 adults, such as exercise classes, and the re-opening of community centres.

This means Wales will have completed the move to Alert Level 3 by Monday 3 May.

From Saturday 24 April, the rule of 6 will allow for up to six people from six households to meet outdoors, not including children under 11 years of age or carers from those households.

more cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19252830.coronavirus-restriction-relaxations-brought-forward/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19252830.coronavirus-restriction-relaxations-brought-forward/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement..........New Rules from today
Post by: SteveH on April 26, 2021, 11:01:37 am
Everything you need to know before visiting a pub, café or restaurant in Wales from today

FROM today, people in Wales will be able to enjoy the spring sunshine from a pub garden, restaurant or café.

More rules have relaxed across the nation from today, Monday April 26, after Welsh Government gave hospitality businesses the green light on Friday that they could reopen their doors and welcome back customers for the first time physically this year.

Are cafes, restaurants, pubs and bars able to open?
Outdoor hospitality - including cafes, restaurants, pubs and bars providing outdoor services - are allowed to open.

There are no longer any limits to when alcoholic drinks can be sold as normal licencing laws now apply.

How can cafés, restaurants, pubs and bars operate safely outdoors?
The Welsh Government says that venues are required to take all reasonable measures to minimise the risk of exposure to coronavirus.
For example:
• all food and drink should be consumed at tables
• contact details will be required for contact tracing purposes
• customers will be encouraged to pre-book with details of all members of the group.
• entry to the premises will be controlled
• face coverings must be worn other than when seated to eat or drink
• licenced premises, such as pubs, will be providing table service only
• physical distancing measures will be applied, such as tables being spaced out

When utilising outdoor spaces, hospitality venues are required to ensure that the use of physical coverings, awnings, gazebos, marquees and similar structures are implemented in a way that is aligned with current public health advice.

Generally, this means that structures with a roof or ceiling must be open-sided (at least 3 sides or more than 51 per cent open).

Who can I visit outdoor cafés, restaurants, pubs and bars with?
You can visit outdoor hospitality venues such as cafés, restaurants, pubs and bars with your household or up to six people from no more than six households (not including any children or carers from any of these households).

What are the current rules on who I can meet up with outdoors?
Currently, up to six people from up to six households (excluding any carers or children under 11 from any of these households) can meet outdoors at any one time.

This includes public outdoor spaces such as parks and outdoor areas of regulated premises and private outdoor spaces such as gardens.

However, Welsh Government ask that people do try and reduce the number of different people they see. They say it is better to see the same people regularly than to see lots of different people occasionally.

It is also stressed that people continue to maintain social distancing and good hand hygiene.

You must not meet up with people from outside your support bubble, if you have one, indoors.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on May 03, 2021, 10:26:03 am
The rules on car sharing amid warning over 'clusters' of Covid-19 cases linked to mixing in vehicles
The official guidance issued for England and Wales, separately, discusses the rules around travelling with other households

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/rules-car-sharing-amid-warning-20502371?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/rules-car-sharing-amid-warning-20502371?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions .................Care homes
Post by: SteveH on May 26, 2021, 01:29:54 pm
CARE homes across North Wales will not be returning to the pre-covid “open house” approach after visiting restrictions were eased by the Welsh Government.

That’s the warning from Care Forum Wales chief executive Mary Wimbury who sounded a note of caution saying that all visits would still need to be risk assessed before they were allowed go ahead.

Ms Wimbury said it was still a challenging time for the social care sector and some care homes would be more nervous than other.

One major stumbling block was the fact that insurance companies were now refusing to provide cover for any Covid-related claims.

Previously only two designated visitors were allowed to make indoor visits but now any two people can visit.

But according to the Welsh Government it is still down to individual care homes or local authorities to make the final decisions whether to allow the visits to go ahead.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19329212.care-homes-across-north-wales-will-not-return-open-house-visiting/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19329212.care-homes-across-north-wales-will-not-return-open-house-visiting/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 01, 2021, 11:50:44 am
 &shake&

Nearly 1,300 Scotland fans who travelled to London to watch their team play England on 18 June later tested positive for coronavirus, with a total of almost 2,000 football-related cases emerging from Test and Protect data on Wednesday, as Scotland continued to break its record for daily case numbers.

Public Health Scotland (PHS) analysis published on Wednesday revealed that 1,991 people who later tested positive had attended one or more Euro 2020 events during their infection period, a time when they “may have unknowingly transmitted their infection to others”.

Nearly two-thirds of cases reported travelling to London for a Euro 2020 event, including 397 people who were at Wembley for Scotland’s match against England.

cont  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/30/younger-male-euro-2020-fans-driving-covid-rise-in-scotland (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/30/younger-male-euro-2020-fans-driving-covid-rise-in-scotland)
Title: Re: Covid ......... Children Faking Covid tests
Post by: SteveH on July 05, 2021, 02:17:32 pm
How to tell if your child is faking their school Covid test amid TikTok trend

Last week, education leaders warned parents of a “massively unhelpful” TikTok trend where teenagers were faking schools Covid tests.

A number of videos uploaded to the popular social media platform show British teenagers mixing various liquids to get a positive test.

Fizzy drinks and acidic fruits are known to have the potential to display a false positive result which has called into question how reliable tests can be.

Clips on TikTok show youngsters mixing various liquids including apple sauce, Coca Cola, vinegar and kiwi fruit to trigger a positive reaction in the test and get sent home from school.

Given this, you might expect that the acidic drinks would result in completely blank tests. But denatured proteins are sticky beasts. All of those perfectly evolved interactions that would normally hold the protein together are now orphaned and looking for something to bind to. So a likely explanation is that the immobilised antibodies at the T-line stick directly to the gold particles as they pass by, producing the notorious cola-induced false positive result.

Is there then a way to spot a fake positive test? The antibodies (like most proteins) are capable of refolding and regaining their function when they are returned to more favourable conditions. So I tried washing a test that had been dripped with cola with buffer solution, and sure enough the immobilised antibodies at the T-line regained normal function and released the gold particles, revealing the true negative result on the test.

full story  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19420543.tell-child-faking-school-covid-test-amid-tiktok-trend/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19420543.tell-child-faking-school-covid-test-amid-tiktok-trend/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2021, 10:01:32 am
MINISTERS have confirmed face coverings will continue to play an important role in helping keep us all safe from coronavirus in Wales.

In this, it is said that face coverings will continue to be required in certain settings - such as on public transport and in health and social care settings - while coronavirus remains a public health threat.

Active further consideration is being given to whether face coverings should also be required in other settings - such as retail - if restrictions are relaxed further.

Wales is currently at alert level one – and face coverings are mandatory in all indoor public places at alert level one and above.

They will also publish new plans setting out how Wales will move beyond alert level one to a new alert level zero, with fewer legal restrictions.

But Ministers today confirmed face coverings will continue to be required by law in some places while coronavirus remains a public health threat.

First Minister Mark Drakeford said: “We will need everyone’s help to keep coronavirus under control as we continue to respond to the pandemic – this virus has quite certainly not gone away.

“We know many people are still worried and anxious about going out. We will maintain the requirement to wear face coverings in certain places – on public transport and health and social care settings, and others where necessary – to help keep us all safe.”

Scientific evidence supports the use of face coverings, alongside other measures, as a way of reducing the transmission of the virus.


Health and social care settings can be high risk environments where sick patients and staff could be at increased risk of exposure to the virus

Health Minister Eluned Morgan added: “Wearing face masks is an effective way of reducing the transmission of coronavirus.

“We all have a duty to help to protect each other. Keeping everyone safe has been the Welsh Government’s priority through the pandemic and will continue to be the priority in future.

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19434495.welsh-government-look-ahead-new-alert-level-zero---say-face-masks-set-stay/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19434495.welsh-government-look-ahead-new-alert-level-zero---say-face-masks-set-stay/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 11, 2021, 10:36:28 am
"this virus has quite certainly not gone away."

I hope people take note of that.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2021, 03:42:34 pm
Following on from the above posts, about stopping safety regulations, masks etc. and the comment "this virus has quite certainly not gone away." it seems the government are going to make another mistake, possibly equaling the non closure of our borders at the outset of the virus, and it now appears that 120 scientific experts disagree with the government's decision.

I do watch Dr John Campbell's You Tube videos and find some very good linked and referenced information, as is his latest video, discussing a letter to the Lancet medical journal from the above scientists.

Dr Campbell's video   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DDqsqhrfE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DDqsqhrfE)


Letter to the Lancet    " Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young"
                                 As the third wave of the pandemic takes hold across England, the UK Government plans to further re-open the nation. Implicit in this decision is the acceptance that infections will surge, but that this does not matter because vaccines have “broken the link between infection and mortality”.1 On July 19, 2021—branded as Freedom Day—almost all restrictions are set to end. We believe this decision is dangerous and premature.
cont   https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext)
                               


Scientist's Zoom meeting on You Tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTyi2pFXxk&t=346s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTyi2pFXxk&t=346s)       this video is summed up by the comment  " it should ideally have  been aired at 6.30pm on the BBC."
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 12, 2021, 08:26:28 am
Worrying.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: andyCYD on July 12, 2021, 09:20:17 am
Please read this and then decide what we are protecting our young people from. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57766717 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57766717)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 12, 2021, 11:36:16 am
From New Scientist:

"Information on the clinical outcomes for children who catch covid-19 is scarce. The good news is that it is usually asymptomatic or manifests as a short, mild illness. However, some children do seem to experience prolonged symptoms. It is unclear how common this is, and the WHO is working on a separate definition for long covid in young people.

As with adults, estimates of prevalence of long covid in children vary. For instance, results from an ongoing study of children in the US, Costa Rica, Canada and Spain suggest that 6 per cent of children who get covid-19 have ongoing symptoms, rising to about 10 per cent in children who are hospitalised.

A second study of 151 children in Melbourne, Australia, found that about 8 per cent had lingering symptoms, most commonly cough and fatigue, which lasted between three and eight weeks after the initial infection. At the most recent review in March 2021, all 151 children had recovered fully (The Lancet, doi.org/gj9p7b).

In research from the UK, about 4.4 per cent of a group of children who tested positive for covid-19 experienced symptoms more than 28 days later (medRxiv, doi.org/gjg8).

“The largest published studies worldwide suggest persisting symptoms three months later in approximately 5 per cent of children who have had covid,” says Terence Stephenson at UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health.

In the UK, the latest figures from the ONS say that as of 2 May, there were about 30,000 children between the ages of 2 and 16 living with long covid. Of these, around 14,000 felt their activity was limited a little, and 3000 said their activity was limited a lot."

There's still a lot we don't know or understand about Covid and 'Long Covid' is, as yet, poorly understood. But the evidence is growing that Teens may be more at risk of lengthy symptoms that was first thought.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: andyCYD on July 12, 2021, 03:32:17 pm
Thanks Ian. That is really useful information. It suggests that the potential impact of long-COVID for young people may not be zero, but is seems to be very minor compared to many other risks in life.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 15, 2021, 12:56:13 pm
Sainsbury's customers will be encouraged to keep wearing masks from Monday, after the legal requirement to do so is dropped.
The supermarket said there would be signs and tannoy messages to remind customers to wear a face covering.
It joins the bookseller, Waterstones, which said customers should wear masks to protect staff and other shoppers.
The government has said it "expects and recommends" shoppers to wear face masks from Monday.

cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57839990 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57839990)


People travelling into Wales from England will be told to wear face masks by rail companies, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said.
Face coverings continue to be mandatory on public transport and in shops in Wales, while in England people will just be advised to wear them.
Mr Drakeford said it would be "simpler" if the same face-mask rules were applied across the whole of the UK.

cont   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57846623 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57846623)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 18, 2021, 01:09:36 pm
Llandudno anti-lockdown protest organiser fined £5K     The guy has mental health problems so the chances of him paying the fine are remote.        What on earth is up with some people        &shake&
I've even heard of someone buying a fake exemption certificate just because they don't want to have to wear a mask

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57867482 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57867482)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on July 19, 2021, 09:38:21 pm
So, from September, anyone who is NOT double jabbed, will NOT be allowed access to nightclubs and many other indoor events.
What’s this?   We are in the realms of Compulsory Vaccination now?
I never in my life thought I’d see something like this in the U.K.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2021, 07:38:59 am
Hi, Fester.  Good to see you again.

I don't think this equates to compulsory vaccination–yet. Think of it more as not having a ticket to ride.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on July 20, 2021, 09:13:04 am
Hi, Fester.  Good to see you again.

I don't think this equates to compulsory vaccination–yet. Think of it more as not having a ticket to ride.
Vaccine take up amongst the under 30s has been slowing up recently, according to the government’s own figures.
Many are vehemently anti vax, for their own reasons, many don’t see any  to themselves at that age, and many simply don’t trust the government.  Who does??
However, if those people don’t wish to be injected with something they don’t trust, should they really be banned from activities and foreign travel?
I believe that this is a step too far, I also worry about what they’ll impose next if they get away with this.



Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2021, 10:13:19 am
It's an interesting ethical conundrum, to be sure.  The problem is that the pandemic is very far from over, and the likelihood is that another 4-5m may well die before it's done.  The government's main job is to protect its citizens - at all costs.  If large enough numbers refuse to vaccinate, what should they do?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 20, 2021, 10:24:46 am
Hello Fester, hope all is well.......

Speaking with my sister in France over the weekend, she said the same thing, vaccination numbers were low, in the under 30's, and up until recently, they could participate in nightclub life etc with proof of a negative test, which was free, however since the test is now 50 euro's the numbers for vaccination have increased again, it looks like for some, the urge for a night out is stronger than hesitation over getting the jab
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 20, 2021, 10:58:35 am
We are living in different times now and I bet no one would have predicted three years ago the conditions that we have been living in for so long.    Don't forget also that restrictions haven't been eased in Wales like they have in England.
No one is making vaccination compulsory but I wonder how many people who have refused to have the vaccination will also refuse to go to the hospital if they catch Covid, not many I'm sure.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on July 20, 2021, 04:51:43 pm
We are into semantics now, because the vaccine is not yet being made ‘compulsory’,  yet you are ‘compelled’ to have it if you want to have a foreign holidays, or enter a large entertainment venue.
I’m not comfortable with this concept at all.

Pandemics are never over are they?  The viruses mutate and stay with us forever.
It’s merely a question of how well we manage the main thrust of it, and how much we are are prepared to sacrifice whilst tackling it.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2021, 08:41:50 pm
We are into semantics now, because the vaccine is not yet being made ‘compulsory’,  yet you are ‘compelled’ to have it if you want to have a foreign holidays, or enter a large entertainment venue.


It's still our choice.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SAJ on July 21, 2021, 10:14:02 am
Unless of course, we want to travel to many different areas of the world including parts of the Caribbean and South East Asia. In that case, various vaccinations are  required and I expect many people would be racing to their GP if offered a free trip to such destinations!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on July 22, 2021, 01:17:39 am
Ian, if you want to go into an entertainment venue, and most young people do, they have no choice.

In other news, according to the BBC, a third night of rioting in Greece, where they are up in arms about the Government passing a law for mandatory vaccination of all health sector workers.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on July 22, 2021, 11:11:36 am

In other news, according to the BBC, a third night of rioting in Greece, where they are up in arms about the Government passing a law for mandatory vaccination of all health sector workers.

I heard recently the argument, that health care providers "have a duty of care to their patients" so they are in a difficult position, I would like to have confidence, that the person treating me has been vaccinated.


 Governments warm up to vaccine mandates for skittish health care workers
The question has taken on urgency as cases linked to the Delta variant jump and vaccination rates slow.
https://www.politico.eu/article/governments-warm-up-to-coronavirus-vaccine-mandates-for-skittish-health-care-workers/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/governments-warm-up-to-coronavirus-vaccine-mandates-for-skittish-health-care-workers/)


Mandatory Vaccination of Health Care Workers
Whose Rights Should Come First?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2810172/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2810172/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 24, 2021, 06:39:59 pm
Snowdonia: Cars towed away for 'dangerous' parking       $good$

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57956288 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57956288)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2021, 12:21:39 pm
So now, it’s impossible to go to a premier league football match, (and by inference any other sporting occasion) without being fully vaccinated.
How is this not a move towards compulsory vaccination?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 25, 2021, 04:41:01 pm
It's not compulsory to go to a Premier League match or a night club or overseas travel either, that's just an individuals choice.  We just live in difficult times and the rules, like them or not are done for the safety of everyone

On a TV debate this week there was concern over the number of people isolating because they had been "pinged"     Many of those had been double jabbed and probably didn't need isolating but the suggestion put forward was that perhaps all those people who hadn't had the vaccine should be made to isolate instead.
That way perhaps the majority of people would perhaps remain safer     
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on July 25, 2021, 08:48:55 pm
Not yet Hugo, last Monday night clubs opened up but in September they say they are bringing in you have to have 2 jabs 🤔 Shouldn't it have been from Monday, football they are saying from October 2 vaccines that 10 games+' I'll have been to before the ruling comes in, bonkers Boris and his cronies, no wonder the public are giving up.   
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on July 25, 2021, 11:01:20 pm
It's bonkers as you say Norman, if they are going to introduce that 2 jab rule then they should have done it immediately and not after the virus has had chance to get a hold again.
This lot,  Boris and co have made one mistake after another and it would be a joke if the matter wasn't so serious.   
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on July 26, 2021, 04:27:53 pm
I would accept compulsory vaccination as a policy, if the authorities took a similar hard line on more important health matters.
For example, Covid has killed less than 3m people worldwide, and the entire world has been paused if not wrecked because of it.
But, smoking related diseases killed nearly 18 million folk in 2019.
I don’t see the government cracking down on exposing the populations of the world to cigarette smoke?
I don’t see smokers being barred access to public events, or forced to have remedial treatment to make them stop.
The priorities are all wrong,  and I am starting to smell a rat.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2021, 06:00:05 pm
Covid has killed less than 3m people worldwide, and the entire world has been paused if not wrecked because of it.

Actually, deaths world wide are now 4,163,416.

Quote
But, smoking related diseases killed nearly 18 million folk in 2019.

Not quite sure where you're getting the figures from but smoking-related deaths last year were only around 7m. And people choose to smoke. They don't choose to become infected.

Quote
I don’t see the government cracking down on exposing the populations of the world to cigarette smoke? I don’t see smokers being barred access to public events, or forced to have remedial treatment to make them stop.

Well, they are in the UK.

Quote
The priorities are all wrong,  and I am starting to smell a rat.

Such as?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on August 01, 2021, 06:57:06 am
What measures are the U.K. government bringing in to stop people smoking in close proximity to others?
I’m smelling a rat based on a FOI request a friend of mine did to his local NHS trust, to ask precisely how many patients had died purely of covid, and of no other possible cause.
The answer he got was less than five, a negligible figure compared to those quoted dying in his area by the UK.GOV, after having a positive Covid test in the last 28 days.
It would appear that NHS Trusts can’t lie when approached in this way.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2021, 08:39:08 am
If your friend were to submit a similar request in the same language but about, say–heart disease, or Jaundice, for example, he'd get a similar response. In fact, it's difficult for any medical specialist to say with total certainty what someone has died from.  It's astonishing how little we really know about human conditions and biological interactions.

But this isn't new; the same point was being made as deaths started to climb back in 2020 by leading clinicians. The problem is that very few of us are in 'perfect' health. The original virus didn't directly kill the hosts;  almost all the time it was the patients' own immune responses which did.

I've been bitten by horseflies twice this summer. I felt the first, but not the second. But for three weeks afterwards, each arm responded by swelling and itching furiously. I know that was down to my own immune system, but I put it down to the horseflies. After all, if I hadn't been used as breakfast then my arms would  have remained swell and itch free.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 01, 2021, 11:13:54 am
I've been bitten by horseflies twice this summer. I felt the first, but not the second. But for three weeks afterwards, each arm responded by swelling and itching furiously. I know that was down to my own immune system, but I put it down to the horseflies. After all, if I hadn't been used as breakfast then my arms would  have remained swell and itch free.

That reminded me of the time a few years ago when I was walking with two friends above Prestatyn.     We were all wearing shorts and each of us got bitten by horseflies, both of my friends Horsefly bites cleared in a month but mine didn't.
About 18 months later I went to the doctor as the wound was increasing in size and I eventually had it removed and about three stitches in it.   The GP said that it was "foreign body syndrome"       I suppose we are all different and our immune systems will be different too
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 02, 2021, 06:56:30 pm
This was an interesting headline  "Man films moment Welsh holiday park refuses to serve him indoors in dispute over masks
Philip Raeburn said he had a hidden disability but was not carrying proof of exemption"      In the article he said: “Not all disabilities are visible, I don’t want to wear a beacon above my head or sign or flashing lights saying right, I have problems.”

Is this the same Phil Raeburn that is a pro boxer and cage fighter who lives in Wales?      Perhaps this "hidden disability" is the reason he hasn't had a boxing match for two years




https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-films-moment-welsh-holiday-21200158 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-films-moment-welsh-holiday-21200158)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 10, 2021, 10:37:29 am
North Wales Live attended Cube nightclub on Dean Street in Bangor as it welcomed back club-goers.

"Upon entry, people had their temperature checked and were urged to use the various different hand sanitiser stations   &shake& within the venue.

"Across all four rooms, it was a relief to see that the world getting back to some sort of normal and people are enjoying themselves after such a tough 18-months.

"The atmosphere was incredible, seeing people able to dance was probably the biggest thing for them...you could see the excitement on some of their faces.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/satisfying-scenes-nightclubs-across-north-21263100 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/satisfying-scenes-nightclubs-across-north-21263100)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 14, 2021, 09:53:55 am
Couple shut Anglesey shop for first time in 12 years after 'shocking' abuse from anti-mask customers
An aggressive customer started to swear at the shop owners because they wouldn't let her in without a mask

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/couple-shut-anglesey-shop-first-21288808 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/couple-shut-anglesey-shop-first-21288808)


Edinburgh Woollen Mill's warning over 'rules in England' posted at North Wales store
Sign in shop window said “although no longer compulsory by law in England we kindly encourage you to continue to wear face coverings”

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caernarfon-store-confuses-english-welsh-21305778 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caernarfon-store-confuses-english-welsh-21305778)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SAJ on August 14, 2021, 11:37:31 am
Absolutely appalling behaviour. I feel for the shop owners for whom things have been difficult enough. As for Edinburgh Woollen Mill, it seems they need a geography lesson. I can understand the occasional confusion here in Flintshire as a border county, where places like Airbus are frequently described on news reports as being in “Broughton, Chester” (I was once perplexed by a member of staff at a Broughton eatery responding to my query about the lack of any marking of St David’s Day with, “Why would we do that, we’re in England”), but no excuse at all further west. Indeed, no excuse at all for abusive behaviour.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 14, 2021, 12:04:44 pm
Well said.......... $good$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 15, 2021, 10:08:32 am
Some passengers have complained of being crammed into carriages with strangers refusing to wear masks on Welsh trains, despite Covid laws.

In Wales face masks remain a legal requirement on public transport, while in England they are only advised.

A number of passengers told BBC Wales people were ignoring calls to put on masks, leaving them feeling unsafe.

Transport for Wales (TfW) said it was urging travellers to wear masks on all services.

Since the start of the pandemic, 8,800 people have been barred from getting on a TfW train for not wearing a mask - with 2,047 people refused travel since the start of this year.

While most Covid restrictions were relaxed in Wales on 7 August, the wearing of face masks remains a legal requirement in most public places, including on buses and trains, unless you are exempt.

This is stricter than in England where face-mask laws ended on 19 July, with the UK government advising people to wear masks in crowded places.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58144669 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58144669)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on August 20, 2021, 03:32:23 pm
More than 50 coronavirus cases have now been linked to a school ball that was held at a hotel.

The privately-organised graduation party took place at Cwrt Bleddyn Hotel in Llangybi near Newport on Wednesday, August 11, following GCSE results day.

With more Covid cases being linked to the party, the manager of the hotel has now said that he was assured by the organiser that everyone had passed a lateral flow test before attending the event

He also claims to have been under the impression that he was dealing with the school itself over the event for 120 Year 11 pupils, WalesOnline reports.

Simon Daniel told BBC Wales he now believed a parent on the prom committee had organised the party, as after the event Newport Council environmental health officers told him the school were not involved.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-50-coronavirus-cases-linked-21359378 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/more-50-coronavirus-cases-linked-21359378)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2021, 09:34:22 am
Three arrested after Tesco security guard attacked for asking people 'to put on a face mask' in store
Supermarket chiefs said they were supporting the guard following the incident in Porthmado
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https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/three-arrested-after-tesco-security-21423489 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/three-arrested-after-tesco-security-21423489)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions
Post by: SteveH on September 16, 2021, 02:18:45 pm
I wish everyone was as conscientious.........

                                     Craig Y Don medical practice notice.................

We have been made aware of concerns about access via telephone to the surgery of late. When the pandemic hit we purchased at our own cost a new phone system to deal with the enviable increase in phone calls as we moved over to telephone triage. Unfortunately this has been fraught with problems and we only had 6 lines coming in with little ability to queue on the line.
As of today we have increased this to 15 with the ability to hold or hang up and try later. This should help those who wish to ring to make an appointment.
Please DO NOT ring us to enquire about flu vaccines, we have experienced a delay with the delivery and not booking clinics yet. We are not doing the covid boosters, that is being organised by the health board.
There are other ways to contact the surgery - we are very responsive to emails - our email address is enquiries.w94019@wales.nhs.uk or alternatively you can submit an econsult, please see our website for further details. We also have the MySurgery app which you can use to contact us. We are aware not everyone has access to IT or is able to use it but the increase in the phone lines should help with the ability to get through to us.
Please do not come down to the surgery to make an appointment. The queue at the intercom can be long and if the weather is bad there is nowhere to shelter. We cannot open our main doors for general access yet as the circulating levels of covid in our community is too high and we have vulnerable staff and patients in the surgery whom we have an obligation to protect.
We are open, we are offering face to face appointments but everyone needs to be triaged first to ensure the risk is minimized.
On Monday 13th September we undertook 197 telephone triage appointments and 44 face to face appointments, this was just for the doctors. There were 18 phlebotomy appointments, 20 health care assistant appointments and 35 nurses appointments, which meant that on that day 117 people passed through our doors for their appointment. Each of these needed screened prior to coming in, with a temperature check and social distanced seating and a clean of the equipment and chairs after each contact.
We are working flat out, but we do listen to concerns and try to improve the situation where we can. Please be rest assured we are trying to adapt and ensure that everyone who needs to be seen can be done in a safe and secure environment.
Please be patient with us during this time. We are monitoring the situation with the phone lines and will reassess this on Monday.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions Fuel
Post by: SteveH on September 25, 2021, 03:43:55 pm
 &shake&
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 25, 2021, 04:00:11 pm
Mrs H did her shopping in Asda Llandudno this week and was shocked to see how many shoppers were not wearing face masks.   She estimated that nearly half the shoppers were not wearing masks.
What's up with these people?  Don't they know that it's mandatory in Wales to wear a mask when you go into these buildings and apart from that Covid hasn't gone away so masks will reduce the possibility of getting an infection from Covid or any other virus for that matter
The signs on some shops such as "No mask... No entry"  should apply and ASDA has a duty of care to the staff and customers to see that the rules are followed properly
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: mull on September 25, 2021, 05:17:40 pm
You are right Hugo.
Same here in Scotland law says you must wear a mask in shops and indoors on transport, but everywhere you go at least 50% of people are not obeying the law .
Result Calmac ferry MV Hebridies ( Skye, Harris, North Uist  service ) had to be taken off service on Wednesday due to a crew member testing positive for Covid and having the ship deep cleaned.

Why are 50% + of the population so thick ?
 They have been told over and over how to protect themselves and others but still they are either not getting the message or just ignoring it.     $angry$
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on September 25, 2021, 05:38:24 pm
You are correct Hugo.
I’d say it’s about 50% adherence to mask wearing too.
But, faced with such a high amount of disobedience, how are those minimum waged, often elderly security guards meant to do anything?
They have no basis to challenge non mask wearers, because they know full well that their employer are not pushing them to do it, they might be in danger of assault and thirdly, the police simply don’t see it as a priority to attend any incidents that might stem from it.
It’s a horrible situation.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on September 26, 2021, 09:48:51 am
I do not understand why people do not take this simple step, to protect themselves and others, it is no great hardship, also Europeans are still following the mask guidelines, and their cases are well below ours, but our lot seem to think they know better.

and a recap from yesterday..........

Dr Yvonne Doyle, medical director at Public Health England, said: “As we head into winter, there are steps we can all take to keep ourselves healthy and reduce the burden on the NHS. Hand washing, ventilation and mask wearing aren’t only important for Covid-19, they keep other bugs at bay too. Try to stay at home if you are unwell.”
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 26, 2021, 10:12:51 am
Mull & Fester, we have all noticed the same things going on but no one seems to be taking any responsibility to stop the people who refuse to wear masks from entering the stores.
The Police have made their position quite clear from the start so whose responsibility is it to stop these selfish and stupid people from going into shops without a mask.
The responsibility must be on the store to stop this thing happening,  ASDA after all is a super store so I'm sure that they could employ a guard to stop these people entering  the store in the first place and I would imagine that there are doormen or bouncers available to carry out this duty
ASDA has to have a licence to sell alcohol so if the store does not comply with regulations then they cannot complain if that licence is taken away from them and perhaps then they will do something about enforcing mandatory mask wearing in their store
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on September 26, 2021, 02:30:08 pm
Hugo asda had a very good security guy then he'd had enough of being verbally abused and punched quite a few times e asked for a transfer, people have become vile & violent.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 26, 2021, 03:26:26 pm
Norman, verbal abuse and physical abuse is not acceptable and was  certainly not part of his job description.  However he should have been supported by his management at all times
Someone punching him has committed a criminal offence and should have been dealt with by the Police who could be there within minutes in Llandudno
The situation will not improve unless the management of Asda does something positive about it soon.     Apart from the selfish people who refuse to wear masks there is also a possibility of panic buying and the same ilk will vent their anger on the front line staff
It's not nice getting verbally and physically abused for just doing your job but over the years I've just accepted it and got on with it


Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on September 26, 2021, 09:40:29 pm
Hugo, with all due respect, you might be losing touch.
You might be referring to the police as they were maybe a decade ago.
The police are now a shadow of what they were, response times are probably worse than the ambulance service, and the quality of what they achieve is pretty abysmal.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: norman08 on September 26, 2021, 10:19:02 pm
Hugo sadly security guy got assaulted and member of the public got head butted a while ago the young chaps got a slap on the wrists 😡, you are right the police Could jog to asda in a minute but sadly they can't as they go the long way in the van.no bobbies on the beat anymore 😢
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on September 27, 2021, 09:20:49 am
Fester and Norman,  sadly you are both correct in what you have said about the Police and Fester you have first hand knowledge of the unfairness of the justice system.
I don't think that things will ever return to what they once were and the perpetrators of criminal acts will continue to not receive punishment to fit the crime.
One thing I feel sure about is that if it was a verbally or physical racist involvement then at least six Police cars including an armed Police Unit would be there within minutes

At the end of the day the matter is in the hands of the ASDA management,  they need to do something positive to stop people from entering the store without masks so as to protect their staff and customers who are obeying the rules.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 01, 2021, 10:14:19 am
Wales Covid Pass: How to get the NHS certificate and where you'll need it from October 11
People will soon need to show proof of vaccination to get in to many nightclubs and events

Events and venues where you will need a Covid pass
You will need to have an NHS pass to enter:

Nightclubs
Indoor, non-seated events for more than 500 people, such as concerts or conventions
Outdoor, non-seated events for more than 4,000 people
Any setting or event with more than 10,000 people in attendance

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-covid-pass-how-nhs-21726338?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-covid-pass-how-nhs-21726338?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2021, 01:22:45 pm
Hugo, with all due respect, you might be losing touch.
You might be referring to the police as they were maybe a decade ago.
The police are now a shadow of what they were, response times are probably worse than the ambulance service, and the quality of what they achieve is pretty abysmal.

A decade ago I witnessed three men climbing over the rear entrance of what is now Blind veterans but then was an empty building. They had been stripping out the building of lead and other desirable scrap. I was in my car and dialled 999. The person who answered despatched a police vehicle to investigate and meanwhile I offered to follow them in the car while keeping contact with the 999 telephonist. A flat back pick up emblazoned with the name of a builders merchant in Rhyl went past and I mentioned this to the operator. Was this there to pick up the ill gotten gains? One of the men was on the phone and the van kept on going. I realised I had been "clocked'! Anyway, I continued to follow but lost them briefly before finding them talking to the van driver, who once more on seeing me took off.
The police arrived, one officer came over to my car and told me I was free to go now..they knew who these men were. The other officer was laughing and joking with them further up the road which I though peculiar. I wasn't asked for a statement and the policeman seemed disinterested in the departed pickup van.
The main buildings of what was previously the Medical Centre had security guards but not many I wouldn't think. The raid had been on the outbuildings at the rear. The men had left their tools behind, damning evidence had the police been bothered to investigate. The thieves came back the next night to collect their tools and their booty. The security guard on duty phoned the police and was told that it was his responsibility to do something, not theirs.
They got away scot-free and in the knowledge the police were not interested in them or their connection with a Builders Merchant in Rhyl. Who knows what else they got up to.
I was appalled at this lack of duty by our local force, and not for the first time either. I think they are a disgrace to their uniform, there seems to be a culture of don't give a damn in Llandudno that has been going on for years.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Cambrian on October 01, 2021, 01:40:12 pm
Interesting Dave.  I had a vaguely similar Llandudno experience a few years ago. I witnessed a speeding boy racer "jump" a temporary traffic light whilst it was on red.  There was a police car parked up in an adjacent pub car park with two PCs presumably having a break.  I mentioned this incident which took place a couple of minutes before and even provided the registration number.  The response was: you'll have to go to court as a witness!  I said that wouldn't be an issue for me. They drove off and never even asked for my details.  Minor compared with Dave's incident but tends to support the general way things have gone.

Anyone remember the 1970s when we had a chief inspector, two inspectors, four shift beat sergeants plus a supporting cast of constables with no shaven heads or visible tattoos and all properly uniformed.  Usually you could always find one in the doorway of the Midland or NatWest banks. And only one van to service the lot! There was also a local CID detachment headed by a DCI who used to drink in the Albert.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 03, 2021, 07:01:47 pm
It was not long ago that the local police held community meetings in CyD Community Centre to find out what was troubling our neighbourhood.

It was nothing to have well over 100 residents in attendance.

Later, the meetings were held in St David’s Church Hall.

They became smaller and smaller because only those who attended the last meeting were invited to the next one.

These days, I cannot remember the last time I saw a uniformed policeman walking down Mostyn Street.



Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 13, 2021, 06:32:59 pm
I recently posted about so many people not wearing masks at the Llandudno Asda store where nearly half the shoppers did not wear the mandatory face mask.
This week I was in Marks and Spencers and spent some time in the store and only saw one person there without a mask.     M & S has no security guard to monitor the people coming in to their store so why is Asda so bad? 
I wonder what it is like in other stores
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2021, 10:05:22 am
Perhaps they are older, and value life a bit more.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Nemesis on October 14, 2021, 11:20:48 am
I was in Aldi early on Monday morning and didn't see anyone minus a mask. Perhaps the non mask wearers aren't there before 10am!?? They do have a notice on the door saying that masks must be worn.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Meleri on October 14, 2021, 02:19:13 pm
Bodnant Garden shop staff respectfully ask non mask wearers to put them on & rightly so. Conwy Town is a nightmare at the moment, hardly anyone wearing a mask especially by the visitors & as the streets are very narrow is a high risk in my opinion.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2021, 02:38:56 pm
It is such a simple thing to do, most of the rules have been relaxed, and it is a small inconvenience to ensure they stay relaxed, and I am surprised more people are not using them against the promised highly infectious Flu season, which has already started in some areas.
 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2021, 11:09:00 am
I just can't understand people's attitude when it comes to wearing masks or having the Covid vaccination.    Apart from the fact that it's law in Wales to wear a mask in shops, people wear masks to protect other people as well as themselves,      Why don't people obey the law and wear mask?    Are they just being defiant, ignorant or stupid or a combination of all three?
I know friends who have said that " Oh Covid's only like a mild dose of flu or there's as much chance of getting run over by a bus than catching Covid"  which is just a stupid remark
I read this very sad article in the Daily Post yesterday and was a bit hesitant about posting it on here but this is the reality of Covid and I hope that the doubters think twice about their behaviour


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mum-three-hands-feet-amputated-21853888 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mum-three-hands-feet-amputated-21853888)

 
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 19, 2021, 10:40:25 am
A report from SW police, does show no matter how much you give advice to people, to help save their lives, there are those that seem to know better, so covid advice, such as mask wearing has no chance,

Partnership working in #Rhydyfelin this morning educating motorists.
31 people not wearing a seatbelt, 3 issued with Traffic Fines, 5 people given suitable advise and 1 person dealt with for no licence and insurance, a good mornings work.
@SWP_Roads
 
@SWFRSRoadSafety
 
@RCTCouncil
 #roadsafety ^6238
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 20, 2021, 10:49:45 am
Covid: Bring back rules amid rising cases, urge NHS chiefs             

Some Covid restrictions must immediately be reintroduced to avoid "stumbling into a winter crisis", health leaders have warned.

The NHS Confederation said a back-up strategy, or Plan B, which includes mandatory face coverings in crowded and enclosed spaces, should be implemented.

UK cases have been rising sharply but deaths are well below the winter peak.

Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said it was not time for Plan B yet and urged greater uptake of booster jabs.

He said he did not want further lockdowns or to jeopardise the "hard-won gains" of reopening the economy.   (Then why not masks) 

"I don't want to inject any hint of complacency but I think so far our approach is working" he said, pointing to lower rates of hospital admissions and deaths than in earlier waves of infection.

Daily Covid cases have been above 40,000 for seven days in a row, with 43,738 new infections reported on Tuesday, and the number of patients in hospital rose by 10% in a week to 7,749 on Monday.

Another 223 deaths were recorded, the largest number since since March, although daily figures are often higher on Tuesdays.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58976577 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58976577)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on October 29, 2021, 07:42:00 pm
Has stupidity sunk to another level?                                 &shake&


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/anti-mask-councillors-supporters-force-22008398 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/anti-mask-councillors-supporters-force-22008398)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 30, 2021, 09:45:55 am
In Councillor Philip Appleton case, definitely, he is not fit to be in a position of authority and decision making for others.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on October 30, 2021, 12:30:46 pm
Covid: Are people wearing masks less often?

How many people are wearing masks?
The proportion of people wearing masks has steadily declined.

Between 18 July and 17 October, the percentage of people in England, Scotland and Wales who said they had worn a face covering outside their home in the past seven days dropped 13 percentage points, according to a survey by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Of respondents over the age of 16, 95% said they had worn a mask in the week before remaining social distancing restrictions were lifted. By mid-October, this was down to 82%.

A similar trend was found by the polling company YouGov.

Between 15 July and 22 September there was an 12-point drop (from 72% to 60%) in the number of people in the UK who said they were "wearing a face mask when in public places".

Both surveys relied on people saying whether or not they had worn masks. It is possible some people said they done so when they had not.

Older people were more likely to support mask wearing, according to the ONS.

Among over-70s,92% thought wearing a mask was important to slow the spread of Covid. However, only 80% of 16-29 year-olds thought the same.

cont  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58979626 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58979626)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on October 30, 2021, 05:52:57 pm
In Councillor Philip Appleton case, definitely, he is not fit to be in a position of authority and decision making for others.

It’s not right that the aggressive minority like this councillor, can disrupt normal life and normal business in this way.
Something HAS to be done about those who won’t comply with reasonable requirements, because if there aren’t consequences for the disobedient minority, there is simply no point having the laws and guidelines at all.

Last week on the promenade, I was delayed and intimidated by the loony anti vax brigade, but despite these guys breaking the law, if I react badly to them, then it’s me that’s in trouble.




Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 02, 2021, 09:55:45 am
It is beyond belief just how many people are lazy, stupid and selfish when it come to disposing pf litter including the disposable face masks.       Just the other day when I was walking my dog past the Pen Y Bryn School in Upper Colwyn Bay in a stretch of road just over 100 yards long I counted five disposable face masks that have just been discarded and dropped on the floor
Don't these idiots realise the danger that they are causing to wildlife and the environment?

In yesterday's edition of the Daily Mirror there was an article about a Cockerpoo dog that had swallowed one of the disposable masks that had been discarded and they had to operate on the dog to remove the mask  They couldn't risk the dog being sick in case the wire in the mask perforated the lining of the stomach or oesophagus.  These Cockerpoos will eat anything as I found out the other evening.

Mrs H had put a nice pie out for a meal and placed it on the draining board. She only went into another room for a minute but when she returned our Cockerpoo had stolen it and was eating it on the floor.    What she retrieved from him was then thrown out for the Seagulls to finish off
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on November 02, 2021, 08:47:20 pm
Lucky seagulls!
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 06, 2021, 10:16:04 am
I've heard a number of reports that ASDA  Llandudno is still not doing anything about enforcing the wearing of face masks in the store.  Has anyone noticed the number of people shopping there without wearing a face mask?
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on November 06, 2021, 12:56:19 pm
Yes Hugo, I’ve been in twice this week to Asda, I’d say that adherence to the law, (because it IS the law) is around 55 to 60%.
The hapless Security chap doesn’t seem interested, two police officers who were dealing with a teenage miscreant didn’t even glance at the maskless face walking in.
It’s completely unenforceable, and I’ve now realised that the only person getting wound up about it is me.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 06, 2021, 02:00:28 pm
It’s completely unenforceable, and I’ve now realised that the only person getting wound up about it is me.

You're not the only one getting wound up about it Fester, Mrs H and I and many others feel the same and we really don't feel safe when shopping in Asda
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on November 06, 2021, 02:25:09 pm
It’s completely unenforceable, and I’ve now realised that the only person getting wound up about it is me.

You're not the only one getting wound up about it Fester, Mrs H and I and many others feel the same and we really don't feel safe when shopping in Asda

Not the only two, we gave up and now do online shopping.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 06, 2021, 03:18:27 pm
Very wise too Steve.      If the people don't want to wear a mask in Asda then they could do online shopping too, it's much more safer.
I have a neighbour who does all the shopping on line but sanitizes every thing before touching the articles.    Some sceptics may think that it's OTT but at the end of the day they are just protecting themselves and their loved ones
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on November 10, 2021, 10:06:55 am
FROM November 15, people in Wales over 18 must show a covid pass to enter cinemas, concert halls and theatres.

This will show that they are fully vaccinated or had a negative lateral flow test in the past 48 hours.

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19705734.senedd-votes-extend-covid-passes-cinemas-theatres-concert-halls-november-15/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19705734.senedd-votes-extend-covid-passes-cinemas-theatres-concert-halls-november-15/)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 18, 2021, 01:02:40 pm
I was shopping in Tesco the other day and I only saw three people who didn't wear a mask, so well done Tesco and shame on Asda for not enforcing mask wearing in their shop
I've heard people bleating "I don't like wearing a mask"     Well tough, they can always shop online instead
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on November 18, 2021, 03:12:28 pm
I think these people forget that NHS staff HAVE to wear masks, hour after long hour, (see below) dealing with those who have not had the sense to wear their's, also the number of people saying they have not had a cold/flu, for two years, I wonder if wearing a mask helped ! !

I think it is worth wearing a mask just to keep the flu at bay.

A surgeon has died following a nine-week battle with coronavirus after spending four months away from his family at the height of the pandemic working in Covid wards.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/surgeon-who-spent-months-away-22203782 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/surgeon-who-spent-months-away-22203782)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 19, 2021, 03:15:47 pm
Welsh cinema which refused to ask for Covid passes shut down by council   Officials temporarily shut down the business after it made the announcement.     

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-cinema-refused-ask-covid-22211572 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-cinema-refused-ask-covid-22211572)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on November 24, 2021, 03:04:19 pm
Gwynedd man showed 'no remorse' after racially abusing Asda security guard at Llandudno
The incident happened at a supermarket full of people.      Perhaps when he comes out of jail he can get a job so he can pay off the £128.00 fine       &shake&

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gwynedd-man-showed-no-remorse-22253022 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gwynedd-man-showed-no-remorse-22253022)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 02, 2021, 09:49:13 am
People in Wales who come into contact with a probable or confirmed case of the Omicron coronavirus variant will have to self isolate for 10 days, even if they have been fully vaccinated.

At a Welsh Government press conference today, Health Minister Eluned Morgan announced that Wales will bring in the same new rules around self-isolation that have been put in place in England, WalesOnline reports.

Ms Morgan said: "We will change our self-isolation rules so everyone identified as a close contact of a confirmed or a probable Omicron case in Wales will need to isolate for 10 days, regardless of their vaccination status or age."

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-introduces-new-10-day-22320467?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-introduces-new-10-day-22320467?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Fester on December 02, 2021, 08:24:15 pm
They haven’t thought THAT through!
All it means is, everyone who fancies 10 days off ‘sick’, will phone in, and pocket £700 free money for the government.
Staff shortages and crap service looms again.
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: SteveH on December 17, 2021, 09:55:08 am
The First Minister will set out a two-phase plan to control the spread of coronavirus in Wales - with measures stepped up after Boxing Day.

The Welsh Government is issuing strong guidance to support people across Wales through the Christmas period but will not adjust the rules until December 27.

Wales will then introduce new restrictions, including for businesses and services.

This will include a 2m rule on social distancing in offices and putting extra measures in place to protect customers and staff, such as one-way systems and physical barriers.

Nightclubs will also close.

They said these tougher restrictions are needed to help control the spread of omicron which is seeing cases surge in England and Scotland.

The Welsh Government has announced up to £60m will be available to support businesses affected by the new restrictions.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/extra-welsh-government-covid-restrictions-22489241 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/extra-welsh-government-covid-restrictions-22489241)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2022, 09:14:00 am
I read this article on the BBC news yesterday and didn't know what to think.    I have an opinion on it but wonder what others think of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59853848 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59853848)
Title: Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
Post by: Ian on January 04, 2022, 10:38:03 am
I suspect the big problem is that she's clearly a believer in and determined to promote the absurd conspiracy ideas of David Icke. It's worth reading this account of Icke and his...odd ideas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke) from which one can see the man is clearly deranged.  However, there are enough of the susceptible around for it to become a problem and, in any case, what gives her the right to disobey the laws she doesn't like?