I guarantee that 99.99% of day visitors upon leaving the Mostyn Broadway Coach Park will always walk in the direction of Llandudno town centre, the promenade and the pier.Thing is, Bri, the vast majority of coach visitors are not as young as they once were (he says diplomatically) and its a pretty long walk up from the coach park to the centre of town/prom/pier. It's apparent that visitors come to Llandudno to see all the traditional attractions (town centre/prom/pier etc), so I think having coach drop-off points at the top end of town would be a far better idea than forcing them to use an inconveniently situated coach park. There could be one outside the Pier Gates, one maybe outside the Clarence Hotel in Gloddaeth Street etc. Obviously, they would be there purely for visitors to be picked up/dropped off during a short period of time, coaches would not be parked there.
I am sure the owner of Bodafon Farm as well as the café owners and all the shopkeepers in C-y-D would also like a few coaches to stop over our end of Llandudno now and again.
I tried, Fester !!!
I am surprised the red hop-on hop-off bus owned by Alpine does not stay parked up in the bus stop outside the Mostyn Broadway Coach Park during the time when all the day visitors begin arriving.
The bus would soon fill up.
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I would just like to point out that a seaside town around about 16 miles East of Llandudno would absolutely fall over backwards to get an event like this, They would close the whole town off FULL STOP
Well if people don't think the Triathalon is an obstacle to tourism, maybe this might satisfy the criteria?
Apparently, the North Wales Alliance, (an offshoot of the right wing EDL) is organising a major demonstration in Llandudno on August 10th. One of the busiest Saturdays of the year.
It is being organised via Facebook, and over 1500 are expected to attend.
Obviously, left wing opposing groups are also planning to counter-demonstrate, and are urging people to join their demo on the same day in Llandudno.
I understand that the police have already 'advised' local pubs to remain closed all day, and that other attractions are expecting to remain closed to avoid damage or risk to staff.
Nice eh?
I think I'm right in saying that despite having a fundamental 'right to demonstrate', there is an application process that any potential demo must go through in order to be permitted.
They can be disallowed on several grounds, but rarely are.
If these organisations have not applied, than it cannot simply be assumed the demo will go ahead, and can be banned.
If these organisations HAVE applied and been permitted, then the CCBC and Police Chief responsible should be immediately sacked.
It is entirely inappropriate to have any such rally in a seaside town, especially on a busy day when children and pensioners are here to ENJOY themselves, not be subjected to hatred and vitriol.
There are 6 weeks for those in authority to see sense, and nip this lunacy in the bud.
Politics does not come in to it, when I see that certain people on facebook are just looking forward to coming to Llandudno on August 10th to 'crack some heads'
I would be interested to know if any councillors have walked from the coach park into the town, the footpath is covered by low branches in many places,
I think I'm right in saying that despite having a fundamental 'right to demonstrate', there is an application process that any potential demo must go through in order to be permitted.
They can be disallowed on several grounds, but rarely are.
If these organisations have not applied, than it cannot simply be assumed the demo will go ahead, and can be banned.
If these organisations HAVE applied and been permitted, then the CCBC and Police Chief responsible should be immediately sacked.
It is entirely inappropriate to have any such rally in a seaside town, especially on a busy day when children and pensioners are here to ENJOY themselves, not be subjected to hatred and vitriol.
There are 6 weeks for those in authority to see sense, and nip this lunacy in the bud.
Politics does not come in to it, when I see that certain people on facebook are just looking forward to coming to Llandudno on August 10th to 'crack some heads'
There are four of those open-topped buses parked in the Alpine yard most nights, so what do they do with them. Surely they can't all be on the Llandudno/Conwy run. And in terms of passengers carried, I often see one between the two towns with virtually no passengers on it - perhaps they have all 'hopped off'!!
I think I'm right in saying that despite having a fundamental 'right to demonstrate', there is an application process that any potential demo must go through in order to be permitted.
They can be disallowed on several grounds, but rarely are.
If these organisations have not applied, than it cannot simply be assumed the demo will go ahead, and can be banned.
If these organisations HAVE applied and been permitted, then the CCBC and Police Chief responsible should be immediately sacked.
It is entirely inappropriate to have any such rally in a seaside town, especially on a busy day when children and pensioners are here to ENJOY themselves, not be subjected to hatred and vitriol.
There are 6 weeks for those in authority to see sense, and nip this lunacy in the bud.
Politics does not come in to it, when I see that certain people on facebook are just looking forward to coming to Llandudno on August 10th to 'crack some heads'
We have now received E Mail from OWL ( NW Police) asking us to inform them of any large groups of single men trying to make bookings-- some have already booked ( not with us thank goodness)
Strikes me something bigger is afoot than people think.
Fester, by me using two words such as ‘Elderly People’, I fail to comprehend how I actually agree with you with your proposed relocation of the current Coach Park.
Do you know most of the elderly people I see on the pier are far more agile than me?
Perhaps, they are regular customers of yours.
Seriously, Llandudno has a Land Train route from the Pier Gates down to West Shore and back again.
I believe another route from the Coach Park to the Pier Gates for a couple of hours in the morning and from the Pier Gates to the Coach Park for another couple of hours in the afternoon would soon solve your problem especially if it was sponsored by the Pier Company.
From memory, my previous disagreement with you was over your complaint that last weekend’s Triathlon was going to be an ‘obstacle to tourism’.
Was it?
Strange how the pubs don;t just employ door men for the day.
If it isn't a damp squib, then I suggest that the NW Police very quickly meet to ensure that they do have the correct level of resource to contain such a potentially volatile event.I'm suggesting this sort of response:
I believe its finishing at the Cenotaph. Probably starting down by the Theatre. Does that tally with what you've heard?
Why Llandudno? Because the WDL won't come this far north and the NWAGC only need a taxi so they will behoping the EDL will beef them up on what will be a busy saturday tourist-wise, hopefully with good weather and thanks to the A55/M53/M6/M56 is within an hour by coach of some of the most 'tasty' football firms in the country -[/b] such as the Stoke Norty-Forty, Burnley Suicid Squad, Oldham FYC, Liverpool Urchins, City Guvnors, United Men in Black, Everton Cutters etc etc who will all be available due to lack of games.
remember Margate in '64?Were you there wielding a bicycle chain, Ian? 8)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/18/newsid_2511000/2511245.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/18/newsid_2511000/2511245.stm)
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remember Margate in '64?Were you there wielding a bicycle chain, Ian? 8)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/18/newsid_2511000/2511245.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/18/newsid_2511000/2511245.stm)
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Were you there wielding a bicycle chain, Ian? 8)
:o 8) I hope you were making them and not wielding them, Big Alan! :laugh:QuoteWere you there wielding a bicycle chain, Ian? 8)
HALEWOOD CHAINS!!!!
I suppose what I have seen this evening must be deemed an obstacle to tourism.
This evening, we enjoyed a family meal at the Afon Conwy on Glan Conwy corner.
There must be around 100 families of visitors staying in the Premier Inn next door every evening.
More about it here:
http://casualsunited.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/llandudno-demo-postponed-edl/ (http://casualsunited.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/llandudno-demo-postponed-edl/)
Nice one Dave, Halewood Chains is a gang from my youth, if you watch LFC games you will also see a banner from my old pub, now sadly knocked down but the legend lives on, The Leather Bottle.
I suppose what I have seen this evening must be deemed an obstacle to tourism.
This evening, we enjoyed a family meal at the Afon Conwy on Glan Conwy corner.
There must be around 100 families of visitors staying in the Premier Inn next door every evening.
I think my concern would be that 100 families of visitors booked into a hotel that according to Premier Inn's website is in Llandudno only to find themselves stranded five miles away with only a petrol station for entertainment :o.
Nice one Dave, Halewood Chains is a gang from my youth, if you watch LFC games you will also see a banner from my old pub, now sadly knocked down but the legend lives on, The Leather Bottle.
I remember chasing you down Walton Breck Road Alan. $bounce$
Nice one Dave, Halewood Chains is a gang from my youth, if you watch LFC games you will also see a banner from my old pub, now sadly knocked down but the legend lives on, The Leather Bottle.
I remember chasing you down Walton Breck Road Alan. $bounce$
These colours don't run 8)
MacMillan is a spambot, I doubt you'll get much sense out of it. :laugh:
The apparent gap has been decorated with all the usual bits and bobs associated with seaside resorts, from donkeys to deckchairs, but it's a ludicrous and rather saddening situation when hundreds of visitors are corralled into the relatively small stretch of sand between the pier and the slipway.
I've always tried to stress that Llandudno keeps trying to please the elderly when - forgive me for being brutally frank - that market cannot last forever. The people who came here during the 40s/50s and enjoyed summer holidays here are dwindling.Do people no longer get older then, Jonty? People are living longer and longer, and as they get older, they will all want somewhere pleasant with a gentler pace of life to go to on holiday. Enter the Queen of the Welsh Resorts. The early retired (50+) group is probably the most affluent in society; these are the people we need to attract.
but the old adage of "it all went down hill when package holidays became cheap" still stands.
Jonty makes several good points though, and one of them is lost in the debate about whether the elderly population get replenished by those who are getting old.
Yes, of course people are living longer, but those who are elderly NOW, seem to have a few bob to spend on themselves and their grand-kids.
It may be from the sale of nice houses, comfortable pensions, savings or whatever.
But, (and here's the the rub)... every day I see middle aged people, or 40-somethings who are the next generation of 'elderlies'... they have precious little money, no properties to sell, no fat pensions to cash in, but they have loads of kids/grandchildren.
However, in the past they could afford to spoil them, but now all I hear is.....'put that down, you had an ice cream, there's no more money'
Why bring kids to the seaside, if you can't afford to treat them?
5 years from now, no one will be able to afford a day out, or a holiday of any kind.
Those who can afford it, will find everything closed down, as there are insufficient customers 'year-round' to make it viable to pay the rent.
It will be a case of letting kids play on the X-box for 364 days a year, and then open their new version of it on Xmas day.
every day I see middle aged people, or 40-somethings who are the next generation of 'elderlies'... they have precious little money, no properties to sell, no fat pensions to cash in, but they have loads of kids/grandchildren. However, in the past they could afford to spoil them, but now all I hear is.....'put that down, you had an ice cream, there's no more money'
5 years from now, no one will be able to afford a day out, or a holiday of any kind.
Those who can afford it, will find everything closed down, as there are insufficient customers 'year-round' to make it viable to pay the rent.
Wouldn't the summit complex as a high class eatery with supporting twinkling trams be a winner?
Quite often the weather forcasts predict bad weather and often the weather turns out to be much better, by that time of cause day trippers have decided not to bother coming! How much does that cost the economy I wonder?
QuoteQuite often the weather forcasts predict bad weather and often the weather turns out to be much better, by that time of cause day trippers have decided not to bother coming! How much does that cost the economy I wonder?
Llandudno's weather is interesting, as you could say it really enjoys its own little micro-climate. The rainfall on the Orme is about 11 inches per year, compared with more than 60 per year in Betws and twice that in Capel. 'Sunny Llandudno' isn't a myth; the old tourist brochures had it spot on.
Quite often the weather forcasts predict bad weather and often the weather turns out to be much better, by that time of cause day trippers have decided not to bother coming! How much does that cost the economy I wonder?
Up to, but not including, yesterday, there have been queues of vehicles on the A470 from the roundabout to Pydew down to Black Cat between 1630 and 1730. Yesterday was the first time I saw almost no queue, so impulse visitors were certainly down.
Ian, we went to Afon Conwy to eat last night and we got caught up in a traffic queue from the top of the hill right down to the Black Cat roundabout just before 5.30pm so I am afraid yesterday was no different.
there's possibly a reason why new cafes are springing up all over the place, and why the Clarence is being renovated. The Clarence work is going to cost a fair bit, I'd have thought, and I don't image the bean-counters will have gone ahead without researching the area and visitor patterns very carefully beforehand.
but - importantly - the older visitors who dislike the crowds during the main season.
I think the forecasters are being over pessimistic ever since the big storm of 1987!
DaveR and a coffee shop,no suprise there then.
That’s nothing new, Ian.
There are lots me and Fester disagree on.
Even we have often given the pier a miss this summer as it is always so busy when we reach the pier gates.
Perhaps, pedestrians don’t get as far as Fester’s Emporium on the Pier because they turn back if they begin to meet an obstruction or a bottleneck.
The other traders I speak to range from people at the beginning of the pier where no bottlenecks exist,
It's July and August Bri, and the Pier traders like everyone else have to make hay whilst the sun shines. It's just what we have to contend with by living in a popular seaside resort. Once you accept that life becomes a lot easier.
Blongb, do you remember the statement – send three and four pence we are going to a dance?
for goodness sake, why don't you treat it as if your driving through a car park".
Blongb, do you remember the statement – send three and four pence we are going to a dance?
Blongb, do you remember the statement – send three and four pence we are going to a dance?
Never mind, Blongb, I won’t bother explaining.
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One thing that doesn't help, BTW, is when folk simply hit the 'Quote' button when replying, but don't bother editing the quote. ..........I hasten to add this doesn't apply to Blongb or Bri, both of whose quotes are the epitome of sartorial succinctness :-))).
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doesn't help, BTW, is when folk ...... hit the 'Quote' button when replying, but don't .......often that results in the entire - and often lengthy -..... one line comment being added by the person ......... cutting and pasting the topics would flow more ...........much more easily. I hasten to .............to Blongb or Bri, both of who..............sartorial succinctness :-))).
CCBC are the main obstacle at the moment,how the lady at the North Shore protest meeting could sit there and tell us all that Llandudno was important to CCBC tourism was a disgrace.Agreed. It just seems to be cutback after cutback in Llandudno. I was looking at the Floral Clock yesterday - its full of grass and weeds surround it. Why bother going to the trouble and cost of installing such a feature if they are not willing to maintain it to a high standard?
To my mind there are two main obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno.
First it is the uncertainty and vagaries of theEnglishWelsh Weather.
Second the lack of facilities or entertainment when the Weather is unaccommodating.
Unless, of course, one is content to amuse oneself in any one of the multitudinous cafes!
ZXZ Z** $dins$ $drink$
Unless Llandudno think that the old people who come here now are going to live forever.Are we not all getting older every day? :laugh:
Unless Llandudno think that the old people who come here now are going to live forever.Are we not all getting older every day? :laugh:
But, I couldn't believe my eyes when I returned from holiday and it still had not been touched.
...subject to a reduction in Council Tax, naturally?QuoteBut, I couldn't believe my eyes when I returned from holiday and it still had not been touched.
Perhaps all the residents could come together and form a working party?
Similarly the high grass on the Black Cat A55 roundabout, whe exiting from Colwyn Bay, means you cannot see low cars coming from the right.
QuoteBut, I couldn't believe my eyes when I returned from holiday and it still had not been touched.
Perhaps all the residents could come together and form a working party?
QuoteSimilarly the high grass on the Black Cat A55 roundabout, whe exiting from Colwyn Bay, means you cannot see low cars coming from the right.
indeed. But interestingly hedges on roundabouts are often used to impede visibility so as to slow down cars on their approach.
H A HA i love the size of DaveR;s weed next to the floral clock,i think someone has been feeding it.The grass on the West Shore is horendous yet no worrys whatsoever,filthy town will be the message from tourists,shower CCBCI saw CCBC Gardeners (an endangered species) working today at Combermere Gardens in Rhos and by the 'Welcome To Llandudno' sign at top of Penrhyn Hill.
Unfortunately they also cause serious accidents when idiots don't slowdown thats why they need cutting.
I saw CCBC Gardeners (an endangered species) working today at Combermere Gardens in Rhos and by the 'Welcome To Llandudno' sign at top of Penrhyn Hill.
Efforts to entice them into Llandudno itself have so far proved unsuccessful. :laugh:
H A HA i love the size of DaveR;s weed next to the floral clock,i think someone has been feeding it.
Thing is rarely telling the right time. Should stop it altogether, at least then it would be right twice a day!H A HA i love the size of DaveR;s weed next to the floral clock,i think someone has been feeding it.
The floral clock received appropriate attention this afternoon.
I hope they remember to move the clock forward by 5 minutes before they leave.
The analogy is flawed. When you shop in Asda you're paying for specific items you need and will use. With communities, however, there are many things for which you must pay that you will never use nor want, but to which you must contribute through council tax. This is called democracy.
I've always thought Council Tax was misnamed; it implies you're being taxed simply for choosing to live in a particular area when in fact it's simply a contribution towards the running costs of that community. And it is only a contribution: much of the CCBC finance comes through the RSG and formula grant from central government.
In a nutshell, the Council Tax bill increases every year, whilst the services delivered for it continually deteriorate.
bear in mind also that there are NUMEROUS Council officials on more than £100,000 per year. Value for money?
so the total expenditure by the council is £210m, of which the lowly taxpayers contribute 21.4%.In reality, of course, the Revenue Support Grant element is paid for by taxpayers (albeit not solely in Conwy County) as well, making our contribution around 80% of expenditure.
The analogy is flawed. When you shop in Asda you're paying for specific items you need and will use. With communities, however, there are many things for which you must pay that you will never use nor want, but to which you must contribute through council tax. This is called democracy.
I've always thought Council Tax was misnamed; it implies you're being taxed simply for choosing to live in a particular area when in fact it's simply a contribution towards the running costs of that community. And it is only a contribution: much of the CCBC finance comes through the RSG and formula grant from central government.
Ian, I rather think my analogy is entirely accurate.
Part of the council tax is a direct payment towards the Parks and Gardening Budget, which I pay in the knowledge that CCBC are now obliged to keep the grass verges relatively tidy.
I do realise that I am also required to contribute to some services that I might never use, but that as you say, is democracy.
I think my old bug-bear the Llandudno Swimming Centre would come into that category for many people.
I simply object to paying for things that I am entitled to, that are then either not provided, or are done to a poor standard.
In a nutshell, the Council Tax bill increases every year, whilst the services delivered for it continually deteriorate.
bear in mind also that there are NUMEROUS Council officials on more than £100,000 per year. Value for money?
Yes Ian, no problem!
Quoteso the total expenditure by the council is £210m, of which the lowly taxpayers contribute 21.4%.
In reality, of course, the Revenue Support Grant element is paid for by taxpayers (albeit not solely in Conwy County) as well, making our contribution around 80% of expenditure.
taxes are an important element of a just society,Can't remember the name of the chap who said "The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." but he was probably right...
But a more serious point: what taxes should be eliminated?
A Tax is defined as 'A compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions'. How does a reduction in a benefit paid qualify?But a more serious point: what taxes should be eliminated?
Bedroom tax for a start
But a more serious point: what taxes should be eliminated?
Bedroom tax for a start
I would tend to agree with that and it typifies the party that introduced a tax on the poorer section of the community.I'm still hoping that someone can explain to me how it is a tax?
I would tend to agree with that and it typifies the party that introduced a tax on the poorer section of the community.I'm still hoping that someone can explain to me how it is a tax?
Exactly, the use of the word 'tax' is an attempt to mislead people.
Another question - why is it right that working class people cannot afford to have an extra bedroom but people living on benefits can?
But a more serious point: what taxes should be eliminated?
If I walk in to a bookies, bet a fiver and win a tenner.... I get to keep the winnings.
If I purchase shares in a company, and by sheer luck they increase in value, then I have to pay 28% of the value that I have 'won'
If you mean that working class people who own their own home cannot afford an extra bedroom because for example they live within their means then that is another matter completely.That's exactly what I do mean. I can think of working families with a mortgage who would love but cannot afford an extra bedroom - why should it be any different for people on housing benefit?
If I purchase shares in a company, and by sheer luck they increase in value,It certainly would be sheer luck in your case.... :laugh: :laugh:
QuoteIf I walk in to a bookies, bet a fiver and win a tenner.... I get to keep the winnings.
If I purchase shares in a company, and by sheer luck they increase in value, then I have to pay 28% of the value that I have 'won'
It might seem an anomaly, but I seem to remember that the original idea was that for many people share dealing is actually a business - a full-time occupation, in fact, and CGT was intended to act as a form of income tax for those folk. Few make a living out of betting, presumably. Although it's a little odd, since making money from betting probably involves more work than making it from share dealing. Perhaps you're right; they should institute a 28% tax on betting.
...in the form of www.sportingbet.com (http://www.sportingbet.com), possibly?
...in the form of www.sportingbet.com (http://www.sportingbet.com), possibly?
QuoteIf I walk in to a bookies, bet a fiver and win a tenner.... I get to keep the winnings.
If I purchase shares in a company, and by sheer luck they increase in value, then I have to pay 28% of the value that I have 'won'
It might seem an anomaly, but I seem to remember that the original idea was that for many people share dealing is actually a business - a full-time occupation, in fact, and CGT was intended to act as a form of income tax for those folk. Few make a living out of betting, presumably. Although it's a little odd, since making money from betting probably involves more work than making it from share dealing. Perhaps you're right; they should institute a 28% tax on betting.
They are not taxed, but it is their ONLY source of income.
A recent court case where a champion Poker Player was excused paying his CSA payments, because he argued that his income was unsustainable or regular.
He won his case, pays nothing for his child, and therefore WE are paying for it instead.
Has Fester perpetuated this myth on here that he is in someway good at darts?
In reality he coudn't hit a barn door with a banjo (although if he could it would make a better noise than his Motorhead music _))*)
And the dogs can't read anyway! ZXZ
Yorkie and Wrex, both talking about something that I do know something about.
plenty of goats still left, although one sadly died a couple of weeks ago. I can guarantee that. My shovel can provide proof from this morning.
Yorkie and Wrex, both talking about something that I do know something about.
First, the Goats. Yes, there are certainly plenty of goats still left, although one sadly died a couple of weeks ago. I can guarantee that. My shovel can provide proof from this morning.
Indeed. The tourism market is changing, and we must change with it to keep the visitor cash rolling in.
Being critical now, but hopefully constructive!!!
When I used to go to the local camera club the "judges" often dismissed photos which featured a closed gate, saying the gate should be open to allow you through into the picture. I think the same here, accepting there is a stile, but it does give the impression of having to climb over a fence to get to where you want to go. Perhaps a half-open gate would be better?
Having got the visitors into Wales we need to sort out the many eyesores so they can appreciate the real beauty of the area properly - but that's another agument!
Is that top one Llandudno railway station?
Ok, so did you make the poster and then put the windbreaker in front of it to photograph? I'm a bit confused, I assume the windbreaker doesn't stay there all the time?
I could go on and on.... and I have said that I do not want litter, but there MUST be a better way of policing it than this???
I have been annoyed and irritated by these unprofessional looking 'characters' for a long time now.
But today, I saw them in action again, and I am incensed! $angry$ $angry$
I'm sure if you can afford to buy them you can easily afford £2.25 + £2.99 p&p in order to keep your filthy, stinking waste to yourself and not inflict it on others.
The company who employ them work purely on a rake off from the £75 FPN's they issue. There is your incentive to issue as many as possible, when a word in the ear would possibly get more results.
QuoteI could go on and on.... and I have said that I do not want litter, but there MUST be a better way of policing it than this???
What would you suggest?
I remember the "police Style" uniform, and spoke to one of them, my impression, was of a retired gentleman, and not of a club bouncer,...so who protested?...
I think people are aware that they should'nt litter,and would be embarrassed, to be pulled up on it,but the old fine was £10 , enough to stop you doing it again, but not enough to think that you had just been robbed by two bandits, and not enough to make you think twice about visiting again.
It is definitley an obstacle to our tourism. $angry$
It's not what there doing , it's how there doing it.......of course I do not want litter...
If the current system is reducing the amount of litter and dog fouling then one has to ask how it can be improved.
Major melons you say people should be fined for litter ,have a look at all the empty bottles and other rubbish the rugby lads leave on the maesdu field and the council litter pickers have to pick up ,
Mike, one of the concessionaires had a receipt fall from his trouser pocket... his wife pointed to him to pick it up, but before he had chance to do so, BANG... the scruffy officers had their pads out, and he was £75 poorer.
If it had been me, there would have been an entirely different outcome.
:o B2R agreeing with me! :laugh: the other week my other half found a wallet in the road, we handed it in to the Police and it was returned to the owner who came round with a bunch of flowers! But what if one of these wardens had seen this happen? Would he have fined the wallet owner for dropping it and leaving the scene? The Police didn't fine him for littering, but would the wardens? :twoface:
I wonder if they fine you if you drop a £20 note? :twoface:
I think that's the crux of it. They have to make a call as to when you've 'left' the litter. That's why I wonder of these stories are accurate.
Major melons you say people should be fined for litter ,have a look at all the empty bottles and other rubbish the rugby lads leave on the maesdu field and the council litter pickers have to pick up ,
Major melons you say people should be fined for litter ,have a look at all the empty bottles and other rubbish the rugby lads leave on the maesdu field and the council litter pickers have to pick up ,
Do the Council charge them for this service? If they don't, they should.
Maybe the Council could also stop giving them a Grant every year! ZXZ
The crux of this matter is that the litter 'wardens' are FINANCIALLY INCENTIVISED to make as many convictions as they can, that brings with it questionable practice, a lack of common sense and greed.
Actually, I don't think that is the crux of it.
The crux of this matter is that the litter 'wardens' are FINANCIALLY INCENTIVISED to make as many convictions as they can, that brings with it questionable practice, a lack of common sense and greed.
Hi FA, The £75 is split £45 to the wardens, £35 to the council, with a monthly draw for the wardens.....
Hi FA, The £75 is split £45 to the wardens, £35 to the council, with a monthly draw for the wardens.....
Shouldn't that say "£45 to the company that employs the wardens" rather than "to the wardens"?
I do agree about the fancy dress though, it could even boost tourism if the wardens dressed up as discarded fag ends, empty crisp packets or fizzy drink cans. I can imagine there would be a certain comedic value to seeing a wheezy smoker desperately trying to leg it down Mostyn Street while being chased by a giant half eaten M&S Cheese and Pickle sandwich. I for one would pay to see that :D.
They are scum basically and should be in the 'scum' thread.Firstly, there is no 'scum' thread. Secondly, your assertions are your own, and are probably unsubstantiatable.
Secondly I didn't make any assertions
They are little more than gangsters in uniforms running a racket. They are scum basically
But please carry on trying to stifle any form of interesting debate as you so often do
but this is just the wrong way to go about it.
Incidentally, that most offensive of litter, dog poo, is STILL evident on the pier every morning, and every night..... because this is when most dog walkers are on there largely unseen, and it is precisely when the wardens are NOT working!
The other possible solution would be for dog owners to purchase a pack of Doggy Diapers.....which I will be presenting to the Dragons on the next series of Dragons Den.
I've often wondered what happens with guide dogs? The owners can't pick up after them, so what happens?
You see there is evidence I just couldn't be bothered to look for it.
Thanks Steve $good$
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/123836/1-000-people-fined-in-conwy-county-for-littering.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/123836/1-000-people-fined-in-conwy-county-for-littering.aspx)
1000 people a year ago - this racket is big business
Andy my dog loves her walk along the pier I am one of the sensible owners it annoys me when people don,t pick the poo up ,3rolls of bags cost 99p from home bargains ,that is what them guys should monitor more instead of stalking smokers ,I would sooner stand on a cig end than dog crap .
You see there is evidence I just couldn't be bothered to look for it.
Thanks Steve $good$
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/123836/1-000-people-fined-in-conwy-county-for-littering.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/123836/1-000-people-fined-in-conwy-county-for-littering.aspx)
1000 people a year ago - this racket is big business
The other way to interpret this is that there are still far too many people out there who haven't yet got the message that their anti-social behaviour will not be tolerated. To me that suggests there's a continued need for enforcement and perhaps even a need for more enforcement. The Pioneer article is actually quite useful as a deterrent in that it helps to make people more aware of the potential consequences of littering but I'd like to see far more publicity around this. Perhaps a weekly "name & shame" column in the Pioneer showing the faces of offenders?
Just to keep Ian happy. I must clarify that the above statement is all my opinion that I think
You can't say all of them behave in an abrupt almost aggressive manner. That's a ridiculous generalisation.
They are little more than gangsters in uniforms running a racket. They are scum basically and should be in the 'scum' thread. I for one don't appreciate these bullies being on the street extorting money from locals and visitors alike.
You're good at taking things out of context
It is not a personal generalisation or attack of a group of people
They are little more than gangsters in uniforms running a racket. They are scum
Until you have witnessed their appearance, activities and over-zealous methods, I do not believe that you can have a balanced opinion.
There's a chance, a very small one, that every single one you have ever encountered has been abrupt and aggressive, but there is no way you have met every single one of them and so your labelling of them is ,as I pointed out, 'a terrible generalisation' You cannot label a whole set of people as abrupt and aggressive.
I see the Baytree traffic island has now been reinstated.
I wonder how many bits of broken pavement in town could have been repaired with that £10,000. &shake&
Hosting the Tour will probably bring in a £1,000,000+ boost to the Conwy economyProbably? Not definitely then? Where did you get this figure from; can it be quantified or is it just pr spin? :laugh:
Hosting the Tour will probably bring in a £1,000,000+ boost to the Conwy economyProbably? Not definitely then? Where did you get this figure from; can it be quantified or is it just pr spin? :laugh:
So you're actually just guessing then? :P
I wonder if any of the local traders on the forum can comment on whether they received a share of the supposed £1,000,000 boost to the economy on Monday?
Surely everyone has said what they need to about the litter wardens. And the Tour of Britain has been and gone - some of you think it was great and others may not.
Perhaps we can have an 'ongoing arguments' topic on the forum so that the topics that interest me do not become cluttered with disagreements between individuals.
Thanks
Just remembered, yesterday on my way to see the cycle race, I passed The Hambone, and the ground was littered with their distinctive napkins and wooden stir spoons, when I returned, it was worse, and this time, there were no customers, the tables had been cleared and cleaned, I was surprised, it was a poor reflection on this business. ...outside cafes and takeaways have a responsibility to themselves and the town to keep their area clean.
So is this LITTERING ......who deals with this?.......Litter Wardens should spend some time between John Brights School and Asda/McDonald's.
The pupils buy lunch there and guess what happens to the packaging
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Should shops be held responsible for their litter, and the adjacent area?
Should schools make pupils aware...more respect for their town, not just litter, public gardens, I have seen schoolboys take great delight in destroying flower beds etc.
Can/should a litter warden fine/warn schoolchildren.
I'm sure if you had a vulnerable friend or family member who had been accosted by these people and had been left traumatised after the indecent, you yourself would feel quite differently.
It's not just us... Litter wardens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUgZ-6JdF4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUgZ-6JdF4s)
Quite simply, I despise the Litter Wardens, how they look and how they behave.... it must be addressed.
QuoteIt's not just us... Litter wardens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUgZ-6JdF4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUgZ-6JdF4s)
Fascinating sociological study of the Superman dilemma: what happens when the irresistible force meets the immovable object. Who'd be anything even remotely official in Merseyside?
Interestingly, the fact that the litter had been deposited on private property makes no legal difference whatsoever. The anti-litter legislation covers everything in the UK 'open to the air'.QuoteQuite simply, I despise the Litter Wardens, how they look and how they behave.... it must be addressed.
I wonder if this isn't a similar situation to the early 'bouncer' firms? I'm very aware that a sage comment by ME was overlooked, earlier, when he observed this is not a lot to do with the wardens per se, but to do with the oversight, training and management, both by the companies of their employees and of the council with regard to the company.
The Litter Wombles job description though is quite clearly to 'catch people'
No uniform? Like CID!? No deterrent factor then, just out to get cash!
QuoteThe Litter Wombles job description though is quite clearly to 'catch people'
, then you do need solid evidence, and not simply anecdotal stories.
I think the issue of whether this is scaring off holidaymakers is totally unknown, .
"On Tuesday a young mother was given a £75 fixed penalty notice for throwing bread to the ducks in her local park.These new signs appearing in Llandudno......Does this come under the wardens jurisdiction?
According to the report, a warden approached Vanessa Kelly and her 17-month-old son Harry, and issued them with the FPN for littering." (Sandwell Council) (case and fine dropped later)
If the Seagulls swoop down and guzzle it then surely that isn't littering!!!
The way it's going, you could be fined, (I think), and a lot of people are against feeding them anyway, but the most likely offender is going to be a tourist, part of their holiday!...with the usual result, are they going to come back? Below is an extract from the piece you found ..
“I just burst into tears because I was totally embarrassed, humiliated and completely bewildered as to how I could have been accused of something I did not do.”
Miss Graham was in the town with 30 fellow students from the University of Glasgow, and said her ordeal “ruined” her visit to Wales.
She added: “The implication that I would visit Wales and behave in this disrespectful manner has completely ruined my visit and I can’t say I’d be in a hurry to recommend Conwy as a place to visit if things like this can happen to you there.”
After she sent a detailed appeal to Conwy Council, the authority withdrew the fine and apologised.
A spokesperson said: “If someone disagrees that they have committed an offence or feel that it was unreasonable for us, or someone authorised by us, to issue them with a Fixed Penalty Notice then we ask that they send an appeal in writing to Regulatory Services.
So is that 31 tourists not coming back?
So if a seagull swoops down and knocks food from your hand, you will probably get fined for littering!
The sign in the pic also seems to say 'no bags of chips' :laugh:
So if a seagull swoops down and knocks food from your hand, you will probably get fined for littering!
The sign in the pic also seems to say 'no bags of chips' :laugh:
I was thinking the very same.... on BOTH counts!
P.S, Andy.... are you going to see The Guvnor at VC on Saturday? We are. Z** Z**
So if a seagull swoops down and knocks food from your hand, you will probably get fined for littering!
The sign in the pic also seems to say 'no bags of chips' :laugh:
I was thinking the very same.... on BOTH counts!
P.S, Andy.... are you going to see The Guvnor at VC on Saturday? We are. Z** Z**
:laugh: yes we are going, we have front row seats! How brave is that! :laugh:
So if a seagull swoops down and knocks food from your hand, you will probably get fined for littering!
The sign in the pic also seems to say 'no bags of chips' :laugh:
I was thinking the very same.... on BOTH counts!
P.S, Andy.... are you going to see The Guvnor at VC on Saturday? We are. Z** Z**
:laugh: yes we are going, we have front row seats! How brave is that! :laugh:
VERY brave indeed!!
We will be peering down on you, from the side balcony thingy.
Al Murray, The Pub Landlord, a great show, good to see Fester and Mrs Fester! 😄
I.m still no wiser. What is the Pub Landlord? A T V show or what
I.m still no wiser. What is the Pub Landlord? A T V show or what
I see from a leaflet I got given in Llandudno the other day that RHYL has just opened a brand new purpose built laser quest - 3 games for a tenner is competitively priced as well.
So in the next few weekends we shall be going from Llandudno to Rhyl on a day out.
Llandudno 0.1 Rhyl
Out of the tickets issued 954 were for littering, three for dog fouling and 12 were for dog control issues.19/09/14 - Less litter on Conwy's streets
A total of 65 per cent of fixed penalty notices issues are paid without further intervention, whilst a percentage of the remaining 35 per cent are listed before the court."
He didn't have a lot of material - just a ten minute rants about the stock market.
But he is a very witty and clever man who can rap on stage about almost anything.
Going back to littering and I might add, I am very against and pro any measure that stops it, I did wonder if my attitude might change had someone issued me with a fine today. I was parked in town and noticed that the gap between my windscreen and car bonnet was full of leaves and sycamore "helicopters" that the car had collected when parked elsewhere and I couldn't use the washers. I scraped them all off and in to the gutter but suddenly thought to my self "Am I littering ?". It's autumn and leaves are falling everywhere but you do wonder !
As far as leaves are concerned, it wont be long before the Council will be forcing tree owners to collect all fallen leaves,lace them in bio- degradable sacks and have them sent to the recycling centre for compost making.Have they got an app for that..... :D
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We are contacting to you with reference to the above booking at our Llandudno Travelodge and very much regret to inform you that the hotel will not be open in time for your visit.
Unfortunately there has been a delay in the completion of this hotel and it will not open until 26th January 2015. We fully appreciate that this will impact on your travel plans.
Of course, we wish to assist in relocating your booking to another Travelodge and we have relocated your booking to our Colwyn Bay Travelodge, which is just over 7 miles from Llandudno
as I can only refund these rooms in the form of an e voucher.
Nem, we did ''told you so'' ....... same with The Waverley, ... and several other things. but I wish I had been wrong!
There is a lot to look forward to in 2015. $good$ $good$
Nem, we did ''told you so'' ....... same with The Waverley, ... and several other things. but I wish I had been wrong!If only your predictive talents could be extended to the stock market with the same degree of accuracy... :laugh:
Cordyline, So very sorry to hear about your disappointment especially after the Waverley incident. You are due a bit of good luck
Nem, we did ''told you so'' ....... same with The Waverley, ... and several other things. but I wish I had been wrong!
There is a lot to look forward to in 2015. $good$ $good$
I hope we have Fester
Today, at precisely 0945, a black car facing the 'wrong' way outside Holy Trinity on Mostyn street parked bumper to bumper with a 4 x 4 which was parked in the single legitimate space, just past the rarely-used gateway. This is on double yellow lines, and on the bend, so it was surprising anyone would park in such a tricky position. The man inside the car opened his door, jumped out and ran across the road towards Lloyds.
As we passed his car it became obvious why he'd parked in such a strange spot. On the dashboard was a disabled pass. What struck us both was way he ran across the road.
He clearly wasn't disabled, by any normal definition, yet he was using the pass to park in a potentially dangerous location and, it could probably be argued, denying a genuinely disabled person the opportunity to park there.
Today, at precisely 0945, a black car facing the 'wrong' way outside Holy Trinity on Mostyn street parked bumper to bumper with a 4 x 4 which was parked in the single legitimate space, just past the rarely-used gateway. This is on double yellow lines, and on the bend, so it was surprising anyone would park in such a tricky position. The man inside the car opened his door, jumped out and ran across the road towards Lloyds.
As we passed his car it became obvious why he'd parked in such a strange spot. On the dashboard was a disabled pass. What struck us both was way he ran across the road.
He clearly wasn't disabled, by any normal definition, yet he was using the pass to park in a potentially dangerous location and, it could probably be argued, denying a genuinely disabled person the opportunity to park there.
He could have been registered blind. Did you think of that? $good$
http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/blue-badge-scheme (http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/blue-badge-scheme)
Stuck behind CCBC recycle truck today in local village ,they dropped cans and kicked them down the road. Paper and cardboard that fell out of the boxes blew all over the road not one of the operatives made any attempt to tidy up .No litter police to be seen will video it next time
Today, at precisely 0945, a black car facing the 'wrong' way outside Holy Trinity on Mostyn street parked bumper to bumper with a 4 x 4 which was parked in the single legitimate space, just past the rarely-used gateway. This is on double yellow lines, and on the bend, so it was surprising anyone would park in such a tricky position. The man inside the car opened his door, jumped out and ran across the road towards Lloyds.
As we passed his car it became obvious why he'd parked in such a strange spot. On the dashboard was a disabled pass. What struck us both was way he ran across the road.
He clearly wasn't disabled, by any normal definition, yet he was using the pass to park in a potentially dangerous location and, it could probably be argued, denying a genuinely disabled person the opportunity to park there.
Welsh councils make £9m on car parking charges in one year
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33777710 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33777710)
Fester, was that just past Pen Y Gwryd on the way to Beddgelert? They have parking meters either side of the hotel but it wasn't always like that and really it's only parking on grass.Ten quid to PARK your car?? That's about how much it costs to drive it to Manchester, truly disgusting.
At the car park in Pen Y Pass its £10.00 to park there all day!
Fester, was that just past Pen Y Gwryd on the way to Beddgelert? They have parking meters either side of the hotel but it wasn't always like that and really it's only parking on grass.Ten quid to PARK your car?? That's about how much it costs to drive it to Manchester, truly disgusting.
At the car park in Pen Y Pass its £10.00 to park there all day!
The fact of the matter is that the deliberate lack of parking and high parking prices is one way that the National Park control try to control the number of visitors to the Park to avoid overuse and degradation of the Park.
The fact of the matter is that the deliberate lack of parking and high parking prices is one way that the National Park control try to control the number of visitors to the Park to avoid overuse and degradation of the Park.
That would be quite acceptable if the money used to finance the Park didn't come from the people they are trying to prevent from using it.
I totally agree, but the management of natural resources in allowing it to be used today and preserved for the future is a delicate balancing act. It's an extremely difficult call, and any decisions are bound to upset or to be disagreed with by some.That's it. We can't just let everyone park where they want, otherwise chaos would ensue and the very thing that attracts people to Snowdonia would be destroyed. The Snowdon Sherpa bus service is a good way of getting around the area without a car but perhaps requires a little more effort than a lot of visitors are prepared to make.
The Snowdon Sherpa bus service is a good way of getting around the area without a car but perhaps requires a little more effort than a lot of visitors are prepared to make.
The Snowdon Sherpa bus service is a good way of getting around the area without a car but perhaps requires a little more effort than a lot of visitors are prepared to make.
Then provide large car parks for the visitors who you want to use the Sherpa buses to leave their cars in. You try getting to Llanberis by public transport, then you might just have some sympathy with the visitors who come from all over to enjoy the National Park which is funded by their taxes.
I've travelled by bus from Llandudno to Llanberis via Caernarfon a couple of years ago - wasnt difficult really? Have you made the trip by bus?
Blongb - do you think you might be exaggerating a trifle. 1 and a half hours Bangor to Caernarfon? What did you do in Bangor, visit to a cafe? An hour Caernarfon to llanberis. I must admit I've never done it by bus but really there must be some mistake here. Don't say there was a traffic accident or something, because that would have held up cars as well. Or is there confusion between single and return journeys?
Calls grow to protect tourism amid shrinking budgets.
Senior figures in the tourism industry have said north Wales needs to improve the basics it offers visitors if it wants them to return.
They have claimed dirty streets, poor amenities and local authority spending cuts could affect business.
Hoteliers and industry representatives insist facilities should not suffer even if "money is tight".
But local councils in region say they are doing their best with limited budgets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37087440 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37087440)
Calls grow to protect tourism amid shrinking budgets.
Senior figures in the tourism industry have said north Wales needs to improve the basics it offers visitors if it wants them to return.
They have claimed dirty streets, poor amenities and local authority spending cuts could affect business.
Hoteliers and industry representatives insist facilities should not suffer even if "money is tight".
But local councils in region say they are doing their best with limited budgets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37087440 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37087440)
That's strange Steve?
Whenever I point out that spending is tight and tourism isn't as buoyant as it was, the Tourist people tend to issue articles that prove me wrong.
Is a bit or realism starting to creep in?
Dave..."Shops and businesses could brush their pavement areas every morning,"
Since charges began on the prom all the people who work in the town park on the residential streets, thus filling them up before the tourists arrive.
Since Travelodge opened it's doors 82 rooms worth of people arrive to find no designated car park.
No wonder parking is as it is !
Do we not still have a promenade inspector? At one time he used to set off at a rare pace chasing people who took a dog on to the beach.
To be fair, I witnessed the 'inspector' chase after a couple of visitors on Sunday afternoon and insist they return to pick up their dog poo off the steps leading down to the beach near the slipway.
...which is probably why they now employ Kingdom Security...
Do we not still have a promenade inspector? At one time he used to set off at a rare pace chasing people who took a dog on to the beach.
Nem, I have seen inspector's on both prom's recently, (the Westshore chap uses a quad bike)
not sure what their duties are though.
Do we not still have a promenade inspector? At one time he used to set off at a rare pace chasing people who took a dog on to the beach.
Nem, I have seen inspector's on both prom's recently, (the Westshore chap uses a quad bike)
not sure what their duties are though.
Sitting in a hut? $donald$
Do we not still have a promenade inspector? At one time he used to set off at a rare pace chasing people who took a dog on to the beach.
Nem, I have seen inspector's on both prom's recently, (the Westshore chap uses a quad bike)
not sure what their duties are though.
Sitting in a hut? $donald$
Doesn't make him a bad person, I made a career out of it! :laugh: :laugh: