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The Local => Ask a Local => Topic started by: ianparri on September 28, 2010, 01:00:38 pm

Title: Questions about places
Post by: ianparri on September 28, 2010, 01:00:38 pm
Who can tell me anything about the history of Llangwstenin/Llangystennin Hall?
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: DaveR on September 28, 2010, 01:10:13 pm
I remember seeing some info about it, I will have a look when I get home and see if I can find it. There's not a lot out there, though, which is odd for such an old house.
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: ianparri on October 05, 2010, 11:38:49 am
Thanks Dave. I'd be delighted if you could. I've always taken it was something to do with the Mostyns, but as you say there's a dearth of info. $wales
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: DaveR on October 25, 2010, 10:13:27 pm
As is always the way, the info I remember wasn't in the book I thought it was. When I eventually come across it again, I shall post it on here. And if you find out anything, please do post it on the forum.  :)
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: Michael on October 26, 2010, 09:42:38 pm
Don't worry.I grew up within a few miles, I know everything about everywhere and everybody around 70 years ago. But------I know where Llangwstenin Hall is----but I don't know a thing about it!!!!  Very odd!!!
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: Yorkie on October 27, 2010, 08:08:46 am
Google it, there is some information on the Internet.     $wales
Title: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Jack on February 10, 2011, 07:27:44 pm
I was out running Marine Drive late on this afternoon and as I approached the toll booth just up from the Pier there was a goat stuck in the cattle grid.  I don't know how long he had been there but he seemed quite exhausted.  He was a big lump of a billy goat with big horns.  I managed to get him by the horns and a passing cyclist got hold of his back legs and we hauled him out and let him go and he ran off.
Just for future reference, had I not been able to get him out, who should I have called?   Jack   $thanx$
Title: Re: Great Orme Goats
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 10, 2011, 07:42:31 pm
I'm sorry but I can't resist saying 'Goatbusters'

to be serious though I would think the RSPCA should be able to help, I am fond of goats so i would also have got him out if I'd seen him in distress, on the goat's behalf, thankyou
Title: Re: Great Orme Goats
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2011, 07:52:25 pm
Ring the warden of the Great Orme Country Park--name of Sally Pidcock
Title: Re: Great Orme Goats
Post by: Jack on February 10, 2011, 08:03:32 pm
Is there an emergency phone number for the RSPCA (like 999 for helping animals!) or would you have to ring the centre in Bryn Y Maen?  I must put the number in my phone just in case it ever happens again.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 10, 2011, 09:32:40 pm
from the RSPCA website

Contact us

Cruelty line: 0300 1234 999

To report a mistreated, neglected, injured or distressed animal. This is a 24-hour service. Read our checklist to help you identify the information we may ask for when you call.

http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus (http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus)
 

Title: Re: Great Orme Goats
Post by: Pendragon on February 10, 2011, 09:39:37 pm
I'm sorry but I can't resist saying 'Goatbusters'
_))* L0L
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Jack on February 10, 2011, 10:21:25 pm
from the RSPCA website

Contact us

Cruelty line: 0300 1234 999

To report a mistreated, neglected, injured or distressed animal. This is a 24-hour service. Read our checklist to help you identify the information we may ask for when you call.

http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus (http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus)

Thanks Merddin Emrys I will put it in my phone  $thanx$ Jack

Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Blongb on February 10, 2011, 11:04:50 pm
I've used that phone number twice. Once for a fox cub, that had been injured on the path above the closed public toilets on Happy Valley Road and once for a large Billy Goat that had managed to impale itself on a long metal stake which had gone in under its breastbone and come out behind its ribcage. It took three of us to pull what in effect was a javelin, out of the beast. No blood, no ill effects and after being carted off by the RSPCA Inspector it was later released with no sign of damage. Hardy things our Great Orme Goats. If only they would stop eating my Garden.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Fester on February 11, 2011, 01:42:51 am
Who ya gonna call???

See below ... the goat has asked me to thank you on his behalf...
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on February 11, 2011, 08:56:35 am
 If only they would stop eating my Garden.

And my hedge
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on February 11, 2011, 09:08:35 am
Sally Pidcock, Country Park Warden
Phone: 01492 874151
Email: sally.pidcock@conwy.gov.uk
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on March 06, 2011, 07:13:37 pm
Whilst walking around the Orme today, I noticed that there was a house on Llys Helig Drive that looked almost  derelict - does anyone know more about it?
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Yorkie on March 06, 2011, 07:30:07 pm
Looks to me like the one that was owned by Dr and Ross James.   The Doctor Died some years ago and Ross moved to another part of Llandudno.  I believe that a certain group made a number of offers to buy the house.  Whether Ross sold to them or not I don't know.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: DaveR on March 06, 2011, 07:35:09 pm
Interesting, thanks.  $thanx$
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 06, 2011, 08:01:35 pm
By amazing coincidence we were on the Orme this morning and also found an abandoned house near Mike's golf course, what's the story here?

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/AustinRover/March%202011/DSCF1772.jpg)

old books still on the stairs!

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/AustinRover/March%202011/DSCF1773.jpg)
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on March 06, 2011, 08:12:03 pm
It was in that state when we moved into the area 15 months ago. There was also another one a couple of doors up or down that was in a similar situation. We walked up past there to the viewing point this evening and there were about 7 or 8 foxes roaming around on the land between the housing estate and the  Ty'n-Y-Coed road . They took no notice of us until we were right next to them.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Fester on March 08, 2011, 06:21:11 pm
Both of those houses have been in an increasingly derelict state for at leat 5 years....very strange.
I feel most sorry for the neighbours either side of them...
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Llechwedd on March 09, 2011, 12:55:39 pm
No, Dr. James lived at Rivcah (Hebrew for rebecca) which I think was further along.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Fester on March 10, 2011, 09:48:16 pm
Whilst walking around the Orme today, I noticed that there was a house on Llys Helig Drive that looked almost  derelict - does anyone know more about it?

HE WHO KNOWS ALL THINGS IN LLANDUDNO....Has given me more information about this derelict house.

It is owned by The Rabbi who apparently owns several other properties on that strip.
It is not many years since renovation work took place inside!
He who knows all things, is not sure why its been left to deteriorate in recent years. 
Title: Questions about places
Post by: Llechwedd on April 05, 2011, 11:49:52 am
Walking along Trinity Avenue my attention was caught by the ?gable end (the pointy bit) decorations of 30 Caroline Road which turns on to the Avenue.  Opposite the Youth Centre. 
On the Avenue it says 1896 and some sea creatures/ dragons.  Up Caroline road there's a blob and stick?  Couldn't see properly could have been an artists palette and brush.  The next one along has a pair of compasses and a set quare.  Does that mean that whoever had the house built was a mason?
Title: Re: Interesting house decorations
Post by: Yorkie on April 05, 2011, 01:58:41 pm
More like a stone-mason who actually did the building.  In those days Freemasons did not generally advertise their presence apart from decoration on the local Freemasons Hall.

All stonemasons had their own "signature" or "mark" that they would carve on each piece of stone they fashioned and they can still be seen on many old buildings especially Churches and other important structures.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on April 05, 2011, 03:22:36 pm
Had a quick drive over the Orme and avoided the toll charges on the zig zag road past St Tudno's.     D)
Took a photo of Pigeon's Cove where we used go swimming when we were in our teens and dive off the ledge.  It was ok at first when the iron ladders were there but when they removed them, then you had to swim out to the point to get back up to the ledge.
On the descent down I stopped at the quarry, but don't know why the machine was parked there.  Just above the quarry is a large rock that looks like it wouldn't take much to dislodge it so I hope it doesn't land on the Jennings machine as they have had enough problems with vehicles recently.
Title: Re: Interesting house decorations
Post by: Llechwedd on April 06, 2011, 12:17:52 pm
No not mason's marks.  This is decoration picked out in the paintwork.
Title: Re: Interesting house decorations
Post by: Yorkie on April 06, 2011, 01:10:41 pm
Just someone who obviously liked the S & C design then.   ;D
Title: Re: Interesting house decorations
Post by: Quiggs on April 06, 2011, 01:39:31 pm
They are more like plaster casts, the one of the artists Palette has recently been painted, as has the rest of the property. It originally had some artists brushes superimposed on the front, but unfortunately have been omitted during this latest repainting. It had been my intention to photograph them but never got round to it, mores the pity, too late now.  :'(
Title: Bron-y-Nant Hospital, Colwyn Bay
Post by: Jack on April 26, 2011, 07:36:39 pm
I have always understood that Bron-y-Nant hospital on Dinerth Road in Colwyn Bay (down near the council tip) was an isolation hospital for sufferers of TB (consumption).  Although I have searched for more information I can not find any.  Whatever it was built or used for, by the mid 1970s it had closed and then re-opened in various guises as a learning centre for adults with learning difficulties.  CCBC now use the old hospital buildings as offices and a garden centre operate in the former hospital grounds.  A relative of mine maintains that he was admitted to the isolation hospital as a child in the 1940s even though he came from Manchester.  Would admission records still be around?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Bron-y-Nant Hospital, Colwyn Bay
Post by: DaveR on April 26, 2011, 07:55:38 pm
Yes, it was built as an Isolation Hospital (officially the 'Infectious Diseases Hospital') for Tuberculosis. My Father had a bout of TB and stayed there in the late 1940s. The land was purchased by Colwyn Bay Council from the Cayley Estate in 1903 and the Hospital opened in 1905. Any records would now be with the Betsi Cadwaladar Trust possibly, but I expect they have long been destroyed?
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: Trojan on May 11, 2011, 07:13:55 am
Who can tell me anything about the history of Llangwstenin/Llangystennin Hall?

Llangystennin Hall was built circa 1638 and occupied by the Lloyd family during the 17th & 18th centuries.

A slab set into the floor of Llangwstennin church records the internment of Robert Lloyd of Hendrewaelod and Llangwstennin on July 25 1691. There's also a grave plot containing the remains of various generations of the Lloyd family, including John Lloyd of Llangystennin who was buried the 25th July 1701 in the 82nd year of his age and Catherine Lloyd Great-Great Grandaughter of the above who departed this life on the 9th day of March 1799
Title: Re: Llangwstenin Hall
Post by: Trojan on May 11, 2011, 07:27:50 am
Thanks Dave. I'd be delighted if you could. I've always taken it was something to do with the Mostyns, but as you say there's a dearth of info. $wales

No connection to the Mostyns, however, Bodysgallen Hall and Gloddaeth Hall were linked by family ties since the 16th century.

Llangystennin was the smallest of the local gentry houses and was also the last on the list of status, being overshadowed by Gloddaeth Hall forming the pinnacle, then by Bodysgallen Hall, Penrhyn Hall, Marl Hall.

The Lloyd family were never as powerful in the area as the Mostyns and were not of the same social prowess. At the end of the 18th century, antiquarian Hyde Hall noted further decay of the estate's status - Llangystennin Hall, once the residence of the family of a country squire; but now in the occupation of a tennant.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Micox on May 17, 2011, 09:43:09 pm
Ahhhh. Used to love that Pigeons' Cave area. Charlie Delacoe and I would finish our Gas Board jobs by late afternoon and bike around there with our costumes. The ladder was no longer there but we'd jump down to the beach and make an assisted climb up afterwards -  one up on the other's shoulders then the one on top in the cave pulling the other up with an extended arm. Great times. $00$
Title: 1820's house?
Post by: Llechwedd on May 20, 2011, 01:18:58 pm
Bryan Davies has an ad, in this weeks NWWN.  "An exceptional property originally built in the late Georgian period c.1820 and extended in Victoiran etc. etc.  I can't make out where it is? Perghaps Hill terrace? I thought apart from the copper mining village and the fishing village most of the big houses were built in the 1840's.  Anyone know?  Nemesis you are good at this?
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: DaveR on May 20, 2011, 02:05:02 pm
It's on Church Walks, immediately to the left of the Warwick Hotel.
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: Nemesis on May 20, 2011, 02:09:32 pm
Sounds a bit strange to me, I shall see if I can find a picture--have looked on his website, but can't see anything  which looks like that age. Ours was built in the late 1840s, most of the ones before ours were as you say cottages  for the fishermen and miners.
Just read Dave's post-- he beat me to it , so Yes I know it well, on the corner of Tyn-y Maes Hill.
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: Llechwedd on May 21, 2011, 10:12:07 am
Thanks for this. Still wondering about 1820's.  It looks nice on the agents site, I had a loo.  Who would have lived there?  I thought most housres weren't built until the 1840's like ours in Tudno Street and Abbey Road.
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: Bri Roberts on May 21, 2011, 11:32:56 am
I have ancestors who were married at Christ Church in the 1830's so I would have expected them to have lived in a house in Llandudno at that time.

Another line of my family lived at Pwll-y-gwichiad Farm in the 1830's and that farmhouse was also there earlier in the eighteenth century.
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: Llechwedd on May 23, 2011, 12:54:47 pm
Well I'm really talking about the lower slopes of the Orme where the planned town started not the farms up top.  When was Christ Church built not the 1830's was there one there before it?
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: DaveR on May 23, 2011, 01:07:25 pm
Christchurch was built in 1858, according to the guide:
http://www.capeli.org.uk/uploads/local_13_llandudno.pdf (http://www.capeli.org.uk/uploads/local_13_llandudno.pdf)
Title: Re: 1820's house?
Post by: Llechwedd on May 24, 2011, 12:03:58 pm
Thanks Dave I knew it wasn't that old!
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: TheMedz on May 27, 2011, 06:21:27 pm
A challenge for someone?
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-18906921.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-18906921.html)
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Nemesis on May 27, 2011, 06:26:09 pm
Wellies, hard hat and a mask needed I think! ;D
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Fester on May 27, 2011, 07:26:20 pm
It looks just like the inside of my house, at the moment... :'( :weeping: :weeping:
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: SDQ on May 27, 2011, 11:37:50 pm
When I was a kid growing up on the Orme that was Aunty Vi's house. She was married to a builder (called Chocky I think)who owned a few houses on that row including both houses either side. Their daughter Joy moved into the house on the left of the picture (no 7). Aunti Vi was a bible basher and used to hold a kids club called Squash (because you got an orange drink) which was a bit like Sunday School but my dad, being the atheist he is, wouldn't let me attend. They eventually divorced and Chocky moved to the detached house at the top of the road opposite the small quarry before you get to Anglesea Road. It's very sad to see how run down the property has become.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Llechwedd on May 28, 2011, 10:57:19 am
The Roberts family.  I used to work with Joy in the Records office in the hospital.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Trojan on May 28, 2011, 05:06:56 pm
When I was a kid growing up on the Orme that was Aunty Vi's house. She was married to a builder (called Chocky I think)who owned a few houses on that row including both houses either side

Was his son called "Chocky" also? I remember a "Chocky" who married Lorraine King.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: norman08 on May 28, 2011, 05:24:39 pm
 no his son was called david  and  Bill [ chocky] owns quite a bit of property along there he also built a small place at the back of that house , oh the great times
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Hugo on May 28, 2011, 05:55:44 pm
Did Bill ever have something to do with Llandudno FC when it was where the old Asda was Norman?
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: norman08 on May 28, 2011, 06:23:05 pm
 not sure about that one bri ,but i,m sure bill and your dad  would have worked together  they were both grafters in the building trade
Title: Questions about places
Post by: Ormewalker on May 31, 2011, 12:33:51 am
Does anyone have any idea  what the remains of an old building are in Marl woods situated roughly between the entrance up to Bodysgallen Hall, off the A470 and the Marl Hall roundabout. We used to play there as kids and I can remember what seemed  to be a leat running  from a dried up pond and then along side an overgrown trackway up to a derelict building, curiously not made from local limestone,  which  then joined up to what is now Marl stream, I can remember seeing  what looked like old metal parts of a water wheel,( which where still there about 3-4 years ago). I can't find any reference on any old maps of a mill having stood here, anybody out there who could enlighten me?   ;)
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: Micox on May 31, 2011, 05:05:39 pm
Knew Chocky well. He was a good lad. When I was helping Mel run the London (Roy was 'convalescing') in the mid 70s, we used to have bottles of milk behind the bar for him. He used to drink whisky and milk - said it was good for his ulcers.  Z**
Title: Conwy Castle
Post by: clubsie on September 26, 2011, 03:00:16 pm
My mother now aged 73, remembers going to Conwy Castle around 1948 when she was 10 years old, and meeting her uncle Tom Roberts possibly in his fifties. Apparently he was the caretaker of the castle (?), and showed both her and her sister Gwen an archway made from a whale's jawbone. Although it would be considered vandalism by some, he carved both his niece's initials into the bone archway. Does anyone remember her uncle Tom, or the archway and where it may be now if it still exists?
Title: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Jack on September 27, 2011, 03:32:41 pm
I was forwarded the following email the other day and wondered if anyone with one of those old directories could see if there was a 'Friar Dale' on Augusta Street sometime during the WW2 years?  Many thanks.

"I was sorting through my postcard collection and I was looking at one which my grandad had sent to my Mum & Dad in 1944 from Llandudno. Dad said grandad was staying there for convalescence. On the card he had put the address where he was staying and it said Friar Dale, Augusta St. We tried to find it while we were in Llandudno."
Title: Penrhyn Slate Quarry
Post by: Llechwedd on September 28, 2011, 02:13:52 pm
I was surprised and delighted to see a flat bed lorry in Gresham Street, City of London on Monday afternoon delivering packs of slates to the Guildhall.  "Made in Wales", Penrhyn slate quarries, Bethesda printed on the wrappers.
I didn't know that the quarries were still in use.  Does anyone know who owns them now?  Not hopefully the Pennants of Penrhyn Castle
Title: Re: Penrhyn Slate Quarry
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 28, 2011, 02:22:56 pm
In 2007 it was purchased by Kevin Lagan (an Irish businessman who is the owner and chairman of the Lagan Group) and renamed Welsh Slate Ltd. Kevin Lagan and his son Peter (MD of Lagan Building Solutions Ltd) are now directors of Welsh Slate Ltd which also includes the Oakley quarry in Blaenau Ffestiniog, the Cwt Y Bugail quarry and the Pen Yr Orsedd quarry.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrhyn_Quarry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrhyn_Quarry)
Title: Re: Penrhyn Slate Quarry
Post by: Llechwedd on October 08, 2011, 12:23:31 pm
Thanks so much for tjhis Merddyn
Title: Re: Penrhyn Slate Quarry
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 08, 2011, 12:28:11 pm
Very welcome, I have an interest in the old slate quarrys and the narrow gauge railways that served them!
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Micox on October 16, 2011, 07:24:11 pm
I remember a Friar Dale but I couldn't pinpoint it.
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2011, 09:12:27 pm
I've just had a look through the archive of old adverts etc.

There was a Whitefriars Hotel in Abbey Road:

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..and a Blackfriars Hotel on the Promenade:

[smg id=1819]

...but no Friar Dale.  :(

Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Jack on October 16, 2011, 09:16:18 pm
OK, thanks DaveR, I will let the lady know  $thanx$
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Nemesis on October 17, 2011, 08:34:37 am
I've just had a look through the archive of old adverts etc.

There was a Whitefriars Hotel in Abbey Road:

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..and a Blackfriars Hotel on the Promenade:

[smg id=1819]

...but no Friar Dale.  :(

Whitefriars is still there.
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: suepp on October 17, 2011, 05:10:07 pm
Friardale was at 6 Augusta Street. this is from a listing in a 1954 Holiday Magazine(http://)
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Jack on October 17, 2011, 06:36:26 pm
Thats brilliant Suepp, many many thanks  $thanx$
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Micox on October 18, 2011, 03:06:05 pm
 :o Good God! And I thought my memory was in ruins.  :'(
Title: Re: Friar Dale, Augusta Street
Post by: Hugo on October 20, 2011, 02:40:43 pm
I was in the Conwy Archives so I thought that I'd have a look at the Llandudno Street Indexes for Friar Dale.
The 1939 index listed all the houses and Friar Dale was No3 Augusta Street in that year and the breadwinner was Thos R Finnigan.
No6 was actually called Abergevenny House
In the Street Indexes for later years there must have been some renumbering as Friar Dale was then No6.  ???
The house was the 3rd one on the South West side as you go from Albert Street and I double checked it before I took the photo as all the names have changed in the intervening years.  In the photo it is the building to the right of the red bin.
Mostyn Estates owns the property along with No's 2 and 1 and the maintenance man for the Estate was there when I was looking at the building.
Title: The Baths
Post by: Llechwedd on November 02, 2011, 11:48:50 am
Anyone know when the Baths (now Grand Hotel) were built please?  I have a photo with no puier but the Baths are visible so I'm assuming it's pre 1856?
Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: Bri Roberts on November 02, 2011, 12:24:16 pm
The Baths, Reading Room & Billiard Hall was built in 1855, and the western annexe which became the Baths Hotel in 1879.
Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: DaveR on November 02, 2011, 12:56:52 pm
Baths in 1857:

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Later photo:

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Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: Llechwedd on November 03, 2011, 12:36:22 pm
 Thanks for your help Dave.  The photo. I have is taken from the back beach with the Baths up on the right if you follow me.  Most of the hotels on South Parade are there and down past The George although it looks different to what it is now.  No pier though so it must have been taken round about 1857. I thought it must be earlier but they look like your first print but from the side .  I couldn't make out what was jutting out but your print shows it to be a verandah.  Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: DaveR on November 03, 2011, 12:54:06 pm
That sounds similar to the photo that was taken from the original pier?

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Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: Llechwedd on November 04, 2011, 01:18:43 pm
No there's no pier in my photo but the Baths look sort of the same although it's a different angle.  More from the side .  Where did this jetty/pier come ashore?  Looks like half way up Happy Valley Road much further along than the side entrance of todays pier so maybe it wouldn't show on my photo. because it was behind the photographer>?  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: majormellons on November 04, 2011, 06:28:56 pm
No there's no pier in my photo but the Baths look sort of the same although it's a different angle.  More from the side .  Where did this jetty/pier come ashore?  Looks like half way up Happy Valley Road much further along than the side entrance of todays pier so maybe it wouldn't show on my photo. because it was behind the photographer>?  Hmmmm.

Maybe the photographer is stood on the Pier?
Title: Re: The Baths
Post by: Llechwedd on November 07, 2011, 11:42:54 am
Yes good point I studied it and you could be right.  The tide is out so it's a bit difficult to work out how high the photographer was.
Title: Re: Marl woods
Post by: GwynHughes on November 16, 2011, 12:58:52 am
I too am interested in this area , recently started to investigate the military aircrash of an Avro Anson came there into the bog area on the 15th Feb 1944 ...if you do find anything or info ....please let me know .
Gwyn
Title: Field in Llanrhos
Post by: dogstail on November 28, 2011, 08:47:32 pm
Every year as I'm goin into Llandudno, passing through Llanrhos there is a field opposite the Robertsons Research place looks like its growing corn.  I just wondered if anyone knew what it actually was, as I see them planting the seeds, and then a few months pass and it is maybe 6ft high?
Title: Re: Field in Llanrhos
Post by: Yorkie on November 28, 2011, 09:12:15 pm
Never looked closely myself but it may be Fodder Maize - grown just for livestock feed.   Z**
Title: Re: Field in Llanrhos
Post by: dwsi on November 28, 2011, 09:17:29 pm
It's forage maize grown for silage to feed livestock. It's usually harvested in the beginning of October http://bit.ly/vGOL5Y (http://bit.ly/vGOL5Y)
Title: Re: Field in Llanrhos
Post by: dogstail on November 28, 2011, 09:58:24 pm
Thank you!  $good$
Title: Re: Marl woods
Post by: seamist on December 28, 2011, 07:51:01 pm
A victorian walled garden.
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: dogstail on January 07, 2012, 06:49:02 pm
When I was a kid growing up on the Orme that was Aunty Vi's house. She was married to a builder (called Chocky I think)who owned a few houses on that row including both houses either side

Was his son called "Chocky" also? I remember a "Chocky" who married Lorraine King.

eddies lorraine?
Title: Re: Marl woods
Post by: SCMP on January 19, 2012, 05:58:38 pm
I was around that area a little while back and took a few photos.
SCMP
Title: Re: Marl woods
Post by: SCMP on January 19, 2012, 06:00:42 pm
You can just see the steps at the top, Victorian maybe?
SCMP
Title: Re: All about the Great Orme
Post by: jennie.ross on January 20, 2012, 07:52:00 pm
Hi - Chocy was my Mum's Cousin.  My Grand-mother owned no5 Ty'n y Coed Road.She also owned no 4 no 3 and no 2 - choccy owned no 1, no 6 no 7 and no 8 I think.  Originally my Great Grandfather owned the whole Terrace and The Quarry at the Top, the Bungalow at the end and also a pair of semis called Ty Newydd and Bryn Awelon but when he died the property was divided between his Children My GrandMother, Chocky's Father and another son called Dante.  I often wonder what happened to Joy - as children we were very close


Title: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: richardfaz on January 21, 2012, 04:59:49 pm
I'm a newcomer to the area. My wife and I were walking to Angel Bay, and noticed the old "ruins?" on the cliffside at the end of Penrhyn Bay.

Does anyone know the history of these ruins - were they buildings, perhaps sea-walls or something completely different?
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: DaveR on January 21, 2012, 05:02:22 pm
There are a combination of the remains of old Quarry Buildings and the Coastal Artillery Base that existed there during WWII.
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: Jack on January 21, 2012, 05:52:18 pm
Most are relics of the limestone quarry workings rather than the coastal artillery school, the quarries stopped working in the early 1930s and the military requisitioned the land from Mostyn Estates in the early 1940s after the School of Coastal Artillery re-located from Shoeburyness in Essex to the Great Orme.  The Little Orme was used as a practice camp away from the main 'school' on the Great Orme.  I don't think men were billetted on the Little Orme.  The Royal Artillery sent regiments there to be trained in the use of coastal artillery, searchlights and wireless.  After the war, virtually everything was removed from the Little Orme except the concrete plinths on which nissen huts and artillery stood.  It was different on the Great Orme and there is a brilliant thread elsewhere on the forum about that.
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: Cambrian on January 21, 2012, 06:14:36 pm
The quarry structures comprised a crushing plant and some hoppers which discharged via a chute to boats which moored alongside.  There was a bungalow the foundations of which can be seen towards Angel Bay.  There used to be a manhole at the top of the slope which was part of the bungalow's drainage system. The quarry had its own railway system and there's a fair bit of information on the history of the workings - and a plan - in Volume 3 of JIC Boyd's "Narrow Gauge Railways in North Caernarvonshire".
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: DaveR on January 21, 2012, 06:19:39 pm
There's also a lot about both the Quarry and the Artillery School in the history of Penrhyn Bay book by Dr A. H. Stamp.
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: DaveR on January 21, 2012, 06:21:18 pm
"...A Coast Artillery Practice Camp was established on the Little Orme which whilst enabling Gunners from the East and South coasts exercise, also served, operationally, as the base of 21 Coast Defence Battery R.A."
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: richardfaz on January 21, 2012, 10:38:49 pm
Thanks Dave, cambrian and Jack. So now I know...!!
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: richardfaz on January 22, 2012, 10:42:19 am
Before anyone comments - the title should be North WEST Prenrhyn Bay....!!! Ooops!
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: Hugo on January 22, 2012, 05:40:21 pm
I've just been looking at a photo of the Little Orme Quarry at pg 91 of Jim Roberts' book "Llandudno"   It's a telephoto shot taken from Llandrillo but shows clearly the old buildings that were there on the Little Orme.
On the same page is a photo taken C1900 of the quarry workers. In 1896  50 men were employed in the quarry and 29 were outworkers.
Title: Marble Arch?
Post by: Llechwedd on February 06, 2012, 11:54:04 am
OK I'm not known for my powers of observation.  Just came through the arch through Littlewoods, connecting from Madoc Street to St. Mary's Road across the end of Brookes Street and Caroline Road. Was suprised to see a road sign saying Marble Arch, sort of outside the back of the Catholic church house.  Has it always been there?
Title: Re: Marble Arch?
Post by: Jack on February 06, 2012, 01:29:03 pm
Don't know about always Llechwedd, but it has certainly been there for many years :)
Title: Re: Marble Arch?
Post by: Hugo on February 06, 2012, 02:02:40 pm
That tunnel was once the entrance to private farmland belonging to St George's Hotel.
Title: Re: Marble Arch?
Post by: DaveR on February 06, 2012, 02:23:35 pm
It's just a nickname that has stuck and was officially adopted as its name.
Title: Re: Marble Arch?
Post by: Cambrian on February 06, 2012, 06:59:38 pm
From what I have been told, there was a gateway made of local limestone leading into the garden - this probably prompted the nickname.  According to "Streets of Llandudno", the name has been in use as an address since at least the 1920s.
Title: Re: North East Penrhyn Bay buildings/walls/ruins?
Post by: Cambrian on February 06, 2012, 08:55:50 pm
There's a good plan of what the Coast Artillery Practice Camp comprised in a book called "Wings across the Border".
Title: Re: Marble Arch?
Post by: Llechwedd on February 07, 2012, 12:52:14 pm
So I'm basically the most unobservant person on this forum, gosh.

I worked with a teacher in a school in Birmingham whose family owned the farm where the George is now, he was very interesting.
Title: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: daveroberts on March 04, 2012, 03:40:46 pm
My mother's family (her name was Mary Francis) owned and ran Francis Garage in the West End (now Lidl covers the site, before that Gordon Ford). Prior to this they had a business based in The Mews, next door to the Central Hotel. They provided coach tours around Snowdonia amongst other things. There is a very widely published photograph of my great grandfather featured in many Colwyn Bay history books which shows one of their horse drawn coaches outside the premises. I have a few photos from that period that show the arrival of motor cars and motor coaches. The West End garage at first catered for both horse driven transport as well as building and selling cars on the premises. My mother was born in the domestic part of the building on corner of Carlton Road and went to Lynden School which was close by. If anyone has any stories to share concerning the garage or the mews and who may have had a connection or further knowledge of them I would be very intrigued to hear about it. Any photos would be even more welcome. Some of mine can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/firstpresence/sets/72157627965206313/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/firstpresence/sets/72157627965206313/)
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: Michael on March 04, 2012, 04:57:56 pm
Hello. dave Roberts. Presumably not DaveR of moderator fame.
I guess you must be the next generation after me because you mention your Mother going to Lyndon school. Well I went to that school, I think around 1937/8 and I think it only opened around 1930 or so. The head mistress was a Miss Anthony and her second in command a Miss Withey. They lived together in Penrhyn Bay. Mike
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: daveroberts on March 04, 2012, 06:33:31 pm
Hi Mike. No, a different Dave R (a common name obviously) but also an ex local, born in 1960 at the maternity hospital in the Bay. My mother (who sadly passed away some time ago) was born 1929 so may have been there at the same time. She had a sister called Joyce (still alive) who I presume went there too, but who was six years older. Any chance you knew them?
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: white rabbit on March 04, 2012, 07:33:25 pm
I went to Lyndon School too and remember Miss Anthony and Miss Withey but cannot recall your mother although I remember Fracis Garage
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: daveroberts on March 04, 2012, 10:30:12 pm
I'm sure it's too long ago to help but this is Mary in about 1934

Rhos prom in around 1934 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/firstpresence/6328576521/#)

Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: Michael on March 07, 2012, 12:54:17 am
No, I am afraid I don't recognise the photo nor remember the names of any pupils. I was'ent at the school for long, I think it only took boys up to about seven or eight, it was mainly a girls prep school.
Of course I remember Francis Garage well, ford dealers, although in those days I was'ent very keen on fords, more an Austin and Morris boy. Mike
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: Llechwedd on March 07, 2012, 12:21:02 pm
My Grand father David Jones (Carlton) built Carlton Road hence the name although no one in the family knows where the Carlton comes from  His grave stone reads David Jones and then Carlton in italics.  He was the first person to own a car in north Wales having brought it to Colwy bay somehow from the Paris motor show of 189?.  He was a master blacksmith having made the gates for Rydal school and saw that cars were the coming thing so built that road and I believe the garage.
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: daveroberts on March 09, 2012, 01:51:43 am
That's very interesting. Any photos??
Title: Re: Francis Garage, West End Colwyn Bay
Post by: Llechwedd on March 09, 2012, 12:35:28 pm
No unfortunately.  I had my wallet stolen from the hospital back in the 70's and the only photo. of him in the car was in it.  There may be something in the archive in Colwyn Bay or Ruthin never checked.
Title: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: Nemesis on March 13, 2012, 07:59:43 pm
Can anyone explain what the strange little building between Staples and the Fire Station is? and also why it has railings on the roof?
Title: Re: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: Cat Stevens on March 13, 2012, 08:03:22 pm
I believe it is a training building for the Fire Services
Title: Re: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: DaveR on March 13, 2012, 08:11:17 pm
I believe it is a training building for the Fire Services
That's it, a mock up of a house so they can practice rescue techniques etc.
Title: Re: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: dwsi on March 13, 2012, 08:36:58 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Llandudno_Fire_Station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1720124.jpg)

building on the RHS of this picture http://bit.ly/woEbj9 (http://bit.ly/woEbj9)
Title: Re: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: DaveR on March 13, 2012, 08:47:54 pm
Two words, Dwsi... 'image resizing'  :laugh:  :o
Title: Re: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: Nemesis on March 13, 2012, 08:51:01 pm
MMM ! :laugh:
Thanks for the answers-- we were waiting for the lights to change at Asda this morning and fell to debating as to what the building could be used for.
Title: Re: Building between Staples and the fire station
Post by: dwsi on March 13, 2012, 09:00:44 pm
Two words, Dwsi... 'image resizing'  :laugh:  :o

not my picture, it came straight from wikipedia  :rage:   D)   :P
Title: Graianllyn Llandrillo/Rhos
Post by: gilesc on March 18, 2012, 02:24:00 pm
Hello,
Can anyone tell me whether Graianllyn still exists? My family lived there in 1851. I have found images of the barn at Graianllyn but nothing so far of the farmhouse. Does anyone know of the history or better still a photo.
I look forward to hearing from you
Carolyn
Title: Re: Graianllyn Llandrillo/Rhos
Post by: dwsi on March 18, 2012, 04:28:26 pm
Grianllyn, Mochdre http://bit.ly/wnulwR (http://bit.ly/wnulwR) and http://g.co/maps/ejdjf (http://g.co/maps/ejdjf)

Mochdre is near Llandrillo yn Rhôs/Rhôs on Sea

information about Robin ap Gruffydd Goch Of Grianllyn http://bit.ly/xBaKc4 (http://bit.ly/xBaKc4)

and page 4 here http://bit.ly/wWOXhe (http://bit.ly/wWOXhe)
Title: Re: Graianllyn Llandrillo/Rhos
Post by: DaveR on March 18, 2012, 04:37:47 pm
You can take a StreetView look around here:
http://g.co/maps/s5ms2 (http://g.co/maps/s5ms2)
Title: Re: Graianllyn Llandrillo/Rhos
Post by: Cambrian on March 18, 2012, 04:45:24 pm
There's a photograph of the farmhouse - before alterations - on page 321 of Heart of Northern Wales Vol2.  The alterations seem to be the two dormer windows which were probably added  in the early 1920s.
Title: Washington Hotel - 1960's
Post by: antfreer on June 10, 2012, 10:02:21 pm
Does anyone know who ran/managed the Washington Hotel which had a club on the second floor where a lot of jazz and R & R bands played in the early to mid 1960's. I am doing a bit of research and looking for any contracts, reviews etc. Thanks, tony.

Tony Freer
Woodstock, Ontario
CANADA
Title: Re: Washington Hotel - 1960's
Post by: bigbadhenry on June 11, 2012, 09:01:21 am
No idea who ran it but I remember going to watch the Anglesey Strangers there.
Title: Re: Washington Hotel - 1960's
Post by: Michael on June 14, 2012, 08:43:56 pm
just seen this thread. In 1966/7 it was run by the famous Charlie Payne of Payne's corner house amongst many other business. The manager was a thick set 40 year old of foreign extraction, possible Polish or Hungarian. I dont suppose for a moment he will read this, so , he had female tendencies.  I hated dealing with him, Im not afraid to state that I border on the homo phoebic,  and 45 years ago I was more than bordering on it, I just couldnt understand the mincing around.
 In case anone asks what I was doing there, one of my many money making ventures was running a cigarette vending machine business. Absolutely HUGH turnover, nothing to take £500 in a day off the various sites. Unfortunately the net profit was conversly TINY, touch and go whether I broke even.
Title: Re: Washington Hotel - 1960's
Post by: Yorkie on June 15, 2012, 07:25:02 am
Another well known purveyor of cigarettes was Harry Pinkerton better known as "Harry The Fag" who sadly passed on some years ago.   He later went on to operate a Winery in Builder Street and a darn fine selection of Wines, Ports and other tipples he had on offer.  That was when I used to enjoy the odd glass or two! 
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Washington Hotel - 1960's
Post by: antfreer on June 15, 2012, 01:50:26 pm
Thanks for responses. Would "Charlie Payne" still be around. Looking for files related to the Washington back around 1964. Thanks, Tony
Title: Re: Marl woods
Post by: Gixer181 on June 17, 2012, 12:57:52 am
I too am interested in this area , recently started to investigate the military aircrash of an Avro Anson came there into the bog area on the 15th Feb 1944 ...if you do find anything or info ....please let me know .
Gwyn
Have a read at no landing place written by eddie doylerush from rowen he has covered a vast amount of ww2 crashes in his book
Title: aber falls
Post by: snowcap on August 09, 2012, 12:13:58 am
can anyone tell me how far you have to walk from parking your car when you go to aber falls please? brian.
Title: Re: aber falls
Post by: TheMedz on August 09, 2012, 12:24:30 am
Brian

It's about a 4km round trip.

http://www.snowdoniaguide.com/aber_falls.html (http://www.snowdoniaguide.com/aber_falls.html)
Title: Re: aber falls
Post by: Fester on August 09, 2012, 01:44:43 am
From memory, it was a very pleasant walk of about 45 minutes from the car park to the Falls themselves,  and slightly less on the way back as it is predominantly downhill.

Well worth the walk in my opinion.
Title: Re: aber falls
Post by: Hugo on August 09, 2012, 08:53:30 am
It's an easy walk along a good path with a gentle ascent to the Falls.  They are called Rhaeadr Fawr  (big waterfall) and as you approach them look to the right and  you can see Rhaeadr Bach  (little waterfall).
Well worth a visit and there is a nice cafe in the village if you want to go there afterwards.
 
Title: Re: aber falls
Post by: snowcap on August 09, 2012, 07:00:29 pm
thanks for the info. will be making a visit soon , over the next five or six days if the weather keeps up. looks fab.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on December 10, 2012, 04:24:22 pm
              While walking through Penmaenmawr recently I took a diversion into Parc Plas Mawr which I had never visited before and had a walk around. There is a large stone situated on the grassed area by the ruins of a house with a memorial plaque on which are inscribed about a dozen names, with ages ranging from 7 months up to about 38 years I think. I asked a couple of folk who were walking their dogs if there was any local history concerning this memorial but they were unable to help me. I was wondering if anyone who lives in the Pen area could tell me if the memorial is of any special local significance as there are no dates or details other than the names on the plaque?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2012, 07:24:40 pm
Site of Plas Mawr, Penmaenmawr

Site of Plas Mawr, Parc Plas Mawr, Penmaenmawr

The foundations in what is now the public park called Parc Plas Mawr are the remains of the residence of the Darbishire family, which owned Penmaenmawr quarry.
 
The building was called Plas Mawr, which means large house or mansion. It was built by the Smiths of Pendyffryn in the first half of the 19th century. Prime Minister William Ewart Gladstone stayed here at least seven times. This is where he and his wife came for the last time as a couple in 1896.
 
Part of the area was laid out as a miniature railway. The quarry foreman made a scale model of a De Winton quarry locomotive for the family to take rides around their grounds. De Winton locos, made in Caernarfon and much used at Penmaenmawr, were unusual in having vertical boilers. The water lay directly above the fire rather than being heated by flue tubes inside a horizontal boiler. One of the original Penmaenmawr quarry locomotives, built in 1895, is on display at Dinas station, near Caernarfon.
 
The house was demolished in 1960 but the area is now a public park with a small lake. In 2001 Conwy County Borough Council commissioned sculptures from several artists for Parc Plas Mawr. The works include “Sunset through clouds”, in granite and sandstone, by Timothy Leonard Shutter, and several works in wood by Dominic Clare including a kissing bench, a lion’s head and a spiral
Title: washington hotel llandudno
Post by: romanjohn on December 10, 2012, 11:49:05 pm
hi tony so sorry for the delay in replying to your letter about the washington .my mum and stepfather ran it from 1961 to the end of 1963 .a lot of the promotions were done by a chap called  dennis  i think he came from colwyn bay the groups .the swinging blue jeans .the kinks .the mersey beats . dave clark five .  mike cotton sound big band. johnnie dankworth .  dennis would take the posters home with him so i cannot help you their . mum and stepfather ran three more pubs and retiered in 1979 we moved to portsmouth and ran 8 bed b/b in southsea . mum is  very with it  93 year old .stepfather passed away in 1988.  ps.the landlords were ind coope brewries.you done a good job for them they were good to you. the washington had off lience  snug  public bar the salad bowl the lounge  the regency room up cocktail bar very large ballroom with bar . all  the  best romanjohn   .                           
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on December 11, 2012, 10:39:19 am
                Thanks very much for all the info. on Plas Parc Mawr, Hugo. I noticed the carvings of the kissing bench, lion's head and the granite sculptures, (and also the baby buggy which has been dumped in the ornamental lake!) However, what intrigued me was the granite rock with the memorial plaque which is on the grassed area by the lake The inscription lists some 16 persons (including twins), whose ages range from 9 weeks to 35 years old but there are no dates or or any other details on the inscription.(see pics. below).  I was just curious to know if the memorial had any local historical significance (such as an accident or epidemic) and why it was situated there in the Parc.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on December 17, 2012, 03:42:45 pm
                   I was talking to a resident of Penmaenmawr today about the memorial pictured in the previous post on this thread and he told me that he understands that it is in memory of the people inscribed on the stone who died in a house fire on the site many years ago. I have found no mention of any such fire in the history of the Parc or of the house Plas Mawr online, and would be interested to know if anyone else with local knowledge of the area has heard of this event.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: sam on December 17, 2012, 07:20:04 pm
The memorial is dedicated to various young inhabitants of Penmaenmawr that have died in largely unrelated tragic circumstances it seems. My friend Jon(athan) Pratt (22) is mentioned. He died in a train accident in August 1999. He had been living with his family in Pen for a few years.  Jon was a lovely soul - he was extremely popular and had friends in all walks of life. He lived his life to the max, was full of fun, energetic and creative and was a thoroughly good guy..you really couldn't meet a nicer lad - still miss him.

The 'twinnies' Aiden and Dominic Ryan (21), residents of Pen were also the victims of a tragic accident. They drowned on a fishing trip  trying to swim to shore after their boats engine failed. There was one survivor Tony Evans. This was also in 1999.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/566492.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/566492.stm)

I can't find any information on the other names mentioned but I assume they were all locals from Pen - obviously they all died young untimely deaths.....I'm sure I remember an article a few years ago in the local paper regarding the stone memorial being erected.

                   I was talking to a resident of Penmaenmawr today about the memorial pictured in the previous post on this thread and he told me that he understands that it is in memory of the people inscribed on the stone who died in a house fire on the site many years ago. I have found no mention of any such fire in the history of the Parc or of the house Plas Mawr online, and would be interested to know if anyone else with local knowledge of the area has heard of this event.

I'm wondering if this person may have been thinking about the incident at the Red Gables in Pen in the 1970's which was set on fire after a mass murder took place. The names on the memorial are not the same as those who died there though.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2012, 07:35:15 pm
I was talking to a resident of Penmaenmawr today about the memorial pictured in the previous post on this thread and he told me that he understands that it is in memory of the people inscribed on the stone who died in a house fire on the site many years ago. I have found no mention of any such fire in the history of the Parc or of the house Plas Mawr online, and would be interested to know if anyone else with local knowledge of the area has heard of this event.

I'm wondering if this person may have been thinking about the incident at the Red Gables in Pen in the 1970's which was set on fire after a mass murder took place. The names on the memorial are not the same as those who died there though.
I think you might be right, Sam. We've covered the Red Gables Murders in some detail here:
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,367.msg23080.html (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,367.msg23080.html)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on December 17, 2012, 11:14:25 pm
    $thanx$
                  Thanks very much for that info Sam. I'm sorry to hear that one of those mentioned was a good friend of yours. The resident I spoke to lives just below the Red Gables but has only lived there in the last 20 years or so and could have heard about the murders there and presumed that the memorial was for them.
Title: House of nuisance ??
Post by: Nemesis on December 31, 2012, 11:19:25 am
I was stopped today by two passers by who asked me where one or two history points were situated including  " The House of Nuisance" which they thought was somewhere at the Western end of Abbey Road. I hadn't heard of same. Anyone any ideas?
Title: Re: House of nuisance ??
Post by: DaveR on December 31, 2012, 11:30:50 am
No Town Hall jokes, please.....  :laugh:
Title: Re: House of nuisance ??
Post by: Nemesis on December 31, 2012, 11:38:43 am
Mmm-- that thought crossed my mind. Either that or Bodlondeb !! ;D
Title: Re: House of nuisance ??
Post by: Yorkie on December 31, 2012, 11:42:29 am
I do believe that the olde original Town Hall was in Abbey Road or Church Walks near the Empire Hotel.   Some one will know exactly, I'm sure.
:D

Just to add that the Town Hall was in the building that is now The Capri Guest House from 1854 to 1902 and it was also the Local Magistrates Court from 1856.
Title: Re: House of nuisance ??
Post by: Jack on December 31, 2012, 12:10:29 pm
Website is here:
http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=Llandudno-Buildings (http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=Llandudno-Buildings)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: ogh47 on January 11, 2013, 03:46:35 pm
Does anyone have any idea  what the remains of an old building are in Marl woods situated roughly between the entrance up to Bodysgallen Hall, off the A470 and the Marl Hall roundabout. We used to play there as kids and I can remember what seemed  to be a leat running  from a dried up pond and then along side an overgrown trackway up to a derelict building, curiously not made from local limestone,  which  then joined up to what is now Marl stream, I can remember seeing  what looked like old metal parts of a water wheel,( which where still there about 3-4 years ago). I can't find any reference on any old maps of a mill having stood here, anybody out there who could enlighten me?   ;)

I,ve attached an old map ...maybe you can indicate where about it was .....I have an aerial photo of the region taken in 1947 to show you ,  if you can pinpoint the area off this map
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Michael on January 12, 2013, 01:56:48 pm
   Presumably this must have been a fair distance away from any public road. Is it possible that it lay somewhere around the new road which was built around 1984/5? So its now been destroyed?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: ed jones on January 17, 2013, 07:27:01 pm
Can anybody help me with this one?Gwynant started me off with a photo of my dads' old boat The Welsh Maid. Way back in the distant mists of time 'When I were a lad' All the boats operating from the beach used to get our fuel from a garage at the top of Vardre lane at the back of Upper Mostyn Street, does anybody remember the name of it? Help Gwynant, do you remember struggling along to the beach with a five gallon jerrycan of fuel in each hand pretending they weren't heavy.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: norman08 on January 17, 2013, 09:07:03 pm
windsor garage  alan jones off the orme his dad had it then i,m sure
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on January 17, 2013, 11:10:27 pm
Can anybody help me with this one?Gwynant started me off with a photo of my dads' old boat The Welsh Maid. Way back in the distant mists of time 'When I were a lad' All the boats operating from the beach used to get our fuel from a garage at the top of Vardre lane at the back of Upper Mostyn Street, does anybody remember the name of it? Help Gwynant, do you remember struggling along to the beach with a five gallon jerrycan of fuel in each hand pretending they weren't heavy.
               Ed, I remember lugging 5 gallon cans up  to Windsor Garage for TVO (Tractor Vapourising Oil?),which was like paraffin and I seem to remember the boats used to run on it once they were started up on petrol and then switched over to TVO as it was cheaper. Also we used to get petrol from Kelly's Garage which used to have pumps outside their showrooms where Kavern Records were in later years. As I remember the trick was not to be around when any of the boats needed refuelling otherwise you ended up with muscles like Popeye! It was even worse at low tide when you had to lug them down the long jetty by the pier.
                                                                                               $good$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: ed jones on January 18, 2013, 03:20:49 pm
Chris, was it Windsor garage in Vardre Lane? Yea T.V.O. that was the stuff, that was until dad got that big Gardner diesel fitted in the Maid. As I remember it the tank was up forrad and it was about 20,000.000 gallons capacity, well it seemed like that much but to be fair he did collect it in the van but we did have to carry it down from the top of the steps and couldn't  spill a drop of it cos of the orrible smell might upset the passengers. Do you remember Chris HARRISON who worked for Sammy LLOYD on the Sunbeam? I seem to remember he had a cart to collect his fuel in, wuss!!! Z**
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: ed jones on January 20, 2013, 03:27:13 pm
norman08, thanks for that. Brain now fully engaged it was the Windsor. $thanx$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Blongb on January 29, 2013, 08:39:52 pm
The Windsor Garage is no more  :(  Soon to reopen for guests of the Empire Hotel to have undercover Parking  :D
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 29, 2013, 08:41:50 pm
The Windsor Garage is no more  :(  Soon to reopen for guests of the Empire Hotel to have undercover Parking  :D
Interesting. Parking is a big problem at the Empire.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Blongb on January 29, 2013, 08:53:56 pm
Interesting. Parking is a big problem at the Empire.

Not just for the Empire, it affects Hotels all along the latter part of North Parade, Church Walks and Hill Terrace. We could just get by in busy periods by using Marine Drive just after the Toll Gate. I must have upset someone in the Council because they have now put yellow lines along the stretch we used. It’s as if our Council has a Death Wish and won’t be happy until we are all put out of business. If you think I’m joking just ask why 78 Hotels / B & B’s / Guesthouses are up for sale
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 29, 2013, 09:26:51 pm
In fairness to the Council one must remember that the majority, if not all, of the hotels were built before the motor car was the main form of transport for holiday makers.  Every railway carriage and charabanc has been replaced by 25 cars, so it is no wonder there is a shortage of space.

Much parking space has also been lost due to back-yard building which is in evidence particularly on sea front properties.

You can't blame the Council for everything.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Nemesis on January 29, 2013, 09:53:41 pm
Interesting. Parking is a big problem at the Empire.

Not just for the Empire, it affects Hotels all along the latter part of North Parade, Church Walks and Hill Terrace. We could just get by in busy periods by using Marine Drive just after the Toll Gate. I must have upset someone in the Council because they have now put yellow lines along the stretch we used. It’s as if our Council has a Death Wish and won’t be happy until we are all put out of business. If you think I’m joking just ask why 78 Hotels / B & B’s / Guesthouses are up for sale

And more to come I should imagine if everywhere is as quiet as it was last year.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Blongb on January 30, 2013, 02:47:17 pm
In fairness to the Council one must remember that the majority, if not all, of the hotels were built before the motor car was the main form of transport for holiday makers.  Every railway carriage and charabanc has been replaced by 25 cars, so it is no wonder there is a shortage of space.

Much parking space has also been lost due to back-yard building which is in evidence particularly on sea front properties.

You can't blame the Council for everything.   ZXZ

I'm sorry to disagree with you Yorkie but we obviously don't live on the same Planet. Since we took over our place in August 1997, at a very modest estimate at least 250 free car parking spaces around Prince Edward Square, South and North Parade, Happy Valley Road, Happy Valley Gardens and Marine Drive been removed. Pay and display Parking had been introduced and the amount of free disabled parking places that has been allocated is truly beyond belief (especially as they can park for free on double yellow lines anywhere in the town as it is) I stand by what I said the Council has a deliberate vendetta against free parking and the businesses that depend on it. It’s also my firmly held belief they have a very deliberate policy of getting rid of as much Parking as they can for whatever totally misguided green agenda they are currently following.  79 Hotels / B & B’s / Guesthouses up for sale and rising.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Nemesis on January 30, 2013, 03:08:51 pm
To agree with you Blongb on the subject of parking-- the locals who parked on the prom for free now park further into town where there are no restrictions and go to work leaving their cars for the day. Thus people like your guests have no where to park until afer 5pm.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 30, 2013, 04:13:26 pm

I'm sorry to disagree with you Yorkie but we obviously don't live on the same Planet. Since we took over our place in August 1997, at a very modest estimate at least 250 free car parking spaces around Prince Edward Square, South and North Parade, Happy Valley Road, Happy Valley Gardens and Marine Drive been removed. Pay and display Parking had been introduced and the amount of free disabled parking places that has been allocated is truly beyond belief (especially as they can park for free on double yellow lines anywhere in the town as it is) I stand by what I said the Council has a deliberate vendetta against free parking and the businesses that depend on it. It’s also my firmly held belief they have a very deliberate policy of getting rid of as much Parking as they can for whatever totally misguided green agenda they are currently following.  79 Hotels / B & B’s / Guesthouses up for sale and rising.

Point one, I do live on the same Planet and have have done for three score years and ten, plus a few.

Secondly, where there were ever 250 free parking paces in the vicinity of Prince Edward Square, I don't know.  That is just b.s.

Thirdly the idea of P & D parking is not primarily to create revenue but to make the best use of the available spaces.  Many spaces were taken up when there was very little control or policing by hotel residents parking all day, to the detriment of other businesses in the town.   The decision to adopt P & D around the town was not taken lightly and was only done after extensive research.
As I mentioned in another post some time ago, The Grand had an arrangement with CCBC to use the Maelgwyn Road Car Park for their guests, for which they and their guests paid.  And that was certainly in operation in 1991.   On-road charging has only been with us for a few years and certainly since the road lay out of the Prince Edward Square area was completed.

Llandudno is living, or surviving, with the same problems as are experienced by other Victorian resorts.  Have a look round and ask yourself what the town has to offer the holidaymaker, not with regard to parking, but with other amenities such as entertainment especially during bad weather.  Also consider that more and more people are holidaying abroad for decent weather and better value for money, and the answer to empty beds becomes apparent.

Finally if we can accommodate all the cars and traffic during the Extravaganza it can't be that bad.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 30, 2013, 06:02:12 pm
Parking on the promenade is very reasonably priced.

At present you can park anywhere on the prom at noon for £1 and stay parked in the same place until 10am the next day.

That is from the Grand Hotel right along to Venue Cymru Arena.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 30, 2013, 07:00:34 pm
I wonder if any of these hotels that are suffering from lack of business could do with a visit from Alex Polizzi?    ;)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Blongb on January 30, 2013, 07:31:21 pm

I'm sorry to disagree with you Yorkie but we obviously don't live on the same Planet. Since we took over our place in August 1997, at a very modest estimate at least 250 free car parking spaces around Prince Edward Square, South and North Parade, Happy Valley Road, Happy Valley Gardens and Marine Drive been removed. Pay and display Parking had been introduced and the amount of free disabled parking places that has been allocated is truly beyond belief (especially as they can park for free on double yellow lines anywhere in the town as it is) I stand by what I said the Council has a deliberate vendetta against free parking and the businesses that depend on it. It’s also my firmly held belief they have a very deliberate policy of getting rid of as much Parking as they can for whatever totally misguided green agenda they are currently following.  79 Hotels / B & B’s / Guesthouses up for sale and rising.

Point one, I do live on the same Planet and have have done for three score years and ten, plus a few.

Secondly, where there were ever 250 free parking paces in the vicinity of Prince Edward Square, I don't know.  That is just b.s.

Thirdly the idea of P & D parking is not primarily to create revenue but to make the best use of the available spaces.  Many spaces were taken up when there was very little control or policing by hotel residents parking all day, to the detriment of other businesses in the town.   The decision to adopt P & D around the town was not taken lightly and was only done after extensive research.
As I mentioned in another post some time ago, The Grand had an arrangement with CCBC to use the Maelgwyn Road Car Park for their guests, for which they and their guests paid.  And that was certainly in operation in 1991.   On-road charging has only been with us for a few years and certainly since the road lay out of the Prince Edward Square area was completed.

Llandudno is living, or surviving, with the same problems as are experienced by other Victorian resorts.  Have a look round and ask yourself what the town has to offer the holidaymaker, not with regard to parking, but with other amenities such as entertainment especially during bad weather.  Also consider that more and more people are holidaying abroad for decent weather and better value for money, and the answer to empty beds becomes apparent.

Finally if we can accommodate all the cars and traffic during the Extravaganza it can't be that bad.


60 places lost when Happy Valley got Heritage Lottery Funding and had to remove all the free parking behind the Café, 40 plus spaces lost when we had the unnecessary roundabout put in at the beginning of Church Walks, 40 plus spaces lost on Happy Valley Road. 40 plus spaces with the redevelopment and road layout change to Prince Edward Square. Now factor in the spaces lost with the introduction of Coach Bays, Unloading Bays, Road narrowing measures, and the introduction of an over indulgence of disabled parking places and include the spaces lost to the single and double yellow lines leading up to the toll gate and up Church Walks and you can see my claim of losing the 250 places is factual and not as you suggest b.s.

I didn’t say if I thought P & D was a good or bad idea merely that its introduction removed what had been up to then free parking. If removing it because it was a detriment for the hotel guest to use it over other businesses in the Town then why is Mostyn Street especially up our end becoming a ghost town now that P & D has been introduced? Perhaps more professional extensive research is required to find out.

The Grand only needed the Maelgwyn Road parking because they had sold off their Garage in Water Street for building (Garth Court). It’s still possible to buy up to 4 parking permits for guest to use but unlike the Grand, I paid for them for my guests at a cost of £200 a year. Unfortunately just because I had bought and paid for the 4 permits didn’t guarantee them a parking slot.

People are going abroad for their main Holiday, a fact that cannot be denied, but by the same token people of our age group are taking more short breaks of 2 to 4 days than ever they did before. If you think we don’t offer value for money I suggest you check out our nightly rate with the rest of the country. The modern guests want to come by their own Car and park outside the Hotel they are staying at. Every time one of them gets a Parking Ticket they say to hell with Llandudno and won’t come back, just like the people who get tickets in Venue Cymru car park on a winters evening. The answer to empty beds is to get a Council that gives a S*** about the towns visitors and provides for their needs.


How many people can’t get to Llandudno on the Extravaganza weekend or spend hours and hours trapped in their cars, driving round and round, looking for somewhere to Park and how many of them will then say, “Llandudno, never again.” More than I care to think about.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 30, 2013, 07:42:45 pm
The modern guests want to come by their own Car and park outside the Hotel they are staying at. Every time one of them gets a Parking Ticket they say to hell with Llandudno and won’t come back, just like the people who get tickets in Venue Cymru car park on a winters evening. The answer to empty beds is to get a Council that gives a S*** about the towns visitors and provides for their needs.
I completely agree.  $good$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Blongb on January 30, 2013, 07:43:19 pm
I wonder if any of these hotels that are suffering from lack of business could do with a visit from Alex Polizzi?    ;)

A very mean spirited and bigoted comment, from someone who obviously has no knowledge of the hard work and investment put in by the Hospitality sector of this town. Try reading the reviews on Trip Advisor before you post any further inane comments.
Shame on you.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 30, 2013, 07:50:46 pm
Looks like it's time to organise another match....
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: norman08 on January 30, 2013, 08:44:59 pm
i agree with all you say blongb they have ruined our once lovely town as you say people come for short stays to get away from the city life, but with the stupidity of parking [fines ] people won,t come back, welcome to llandudno the sign says  don,t think.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 30, 2013, 10:47:20 pm
I wonder if any of these hotels that are suffering from lack of business could do with a visit from Alex Polizzi?    ;)

A very mean spirited and bigoted comment, from someone who obviously has no knowledge of the hard work and investment put in by the Hospitality sector of this town. Try reading the reviews on Trip Advisor before you post any further inane comments.
Shame on you.


When we moved to Llandudno we bought a Guest House/Hotel which we ran very successfully!

So you see I am not without experience!   Non of my comments referred expressly to your enterprise, but there are others who think that running a Hotel or Guest house is easy and you and I know it is not.  I have expressed my opinion which I do not regard as bigoted or mean spirited.  I do not care an awful lot for the information contained in Trip Advisor having had a different experience to that expected from their comments.

It does seem that every time I cast an opinion on this Forum I receive criticism from one or other quarter, so maybe the time has come for me to just put links to the papers, news items and other web sites.   Enjoy!

Goodnight!

P.s.   or maybe I could test out the theory as to where the best local Forum lies!
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: snowcap on January 30, 2013, 11:46:19 pm
hi Yorkie, we know you would never leave us but if you do find a better forum than this let me know and good luck you'll need it
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ian on January 31, 2013, 07:30:17 am
In 1992 (I think) the Llandudno Heritage Trust, along with others, commissioned a report into the Resort's future. The steering was done by David Hughes, of the Home Front Experience. The report looked at every aspect of Llandudno and eventually came out with three things: firstly, they thought the Great Orme was the most valuable asset the town possessed. Secondly, they considered that long terms plans with regard to the promenade and West shore needed to be commissioned and studied. Thirdly, they noted that the lack of parking was one of the main obstacles to the target demographic staying in Llandudno.  Llandudno, they reasoned, has maintained the Victorian concept very carefully and and seen its heyday in the 1950s. These twin characteristics meant that nostalgia was the most significant force driving off-season visiting, but that very asset meant the target demographic was ageing, and thus more dependent on their car.

One interesting idea, BTW, was to create new, multi-storey car parks but site them behind the façade of unused hotels.  So, for instance, a new car park could be built on the Clarence site, but it would still appear - to all intents and purposes - to be the Clarence hotel.  Another option is to devise an efficient off-site parking system, perhaps similar to what the Grand used to have.  Suppose, for example, that eight smaller hotels on the front came together to lease a piece of land somewhere else in town.  Those same hotels could then employ - between them - say, 3 drivers, who would park and retrieve cars for the guests.

There are no simple answers to the car parking issue, and it's unlikely to improve in the short term. On a typical working day, for instance, St Mary's Road is heaving from dawn to dusk with those working in the town.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2013, 08:02:27 am
P.s.   or maybe I could test out the theory as to where the best local Forum lies!
I don't think there are any other local Forums, to be honest.

There's one or two North Wales based ones like this one:
http://www.gogledd.com/forum/index.php (http://www.gogledd.com/forum/index.php)
...but they have over 1,500 members and no-one has posted since the start of November!

Or their Llandudno Forum: http://www.gogledd.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=1 (http://www.gogledd.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
....with a couple of posts a year.

By contrast, we have over 10,000 unique visitors a month and over 1,000 posts even in a quiet month. That's why we're No.1, Kimosabi.  ;)

 $3towns$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2013, 08:03:54 am
One interesting idea, BTW, was to create new, multi-storey car parks but site them behind the façade of unused hotels.  So, for instance, a new car park could be built on the Clarence site, but it would still appear - to all intents and purposes - to be the Clarence hotel. 
That is an interesting idea, I like it. I believe the topic of a multi-storey car park came up at a Council Meeting and was approved several years ago. But nothing ever happened, of course!
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 31, 2013, 08:26:16 am
Mostyn Broadway Coach Park would make a very good multi-storey car park.

Coaches could then possibly use the facilities at the town’s newly-refurbished railway station.
 or the coach layby outside the pier gates
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2013, 08:28:00 am
Mostyn Broadway Coach Park would make a very good multi-storey car park.

Coaches could then possibly use the facilities at the town’s newly-refurbished railway station.
Again, not a bad idea. The Coach Park would be ideal for a multi-storey car park.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 31, 2013, 08:56:00 am
Mostyn Broadway Coach Park would make a very good multi-storey car park.

Coaches could then possibly use the facilities at the town’s newly-refurbished railway station.
 or the coach layby outside the pier gates

A few original plans.

1) To make the Station site a transport hub to receive coaches, have a large car park and a Tourist Office/ Visitor Reception.

2) To Make the Coach Park in Mostyn Broadway either into a Department Store with Parking included or a multi-storey, but land considered too valuable for just a car park.

3) To make the old School in Trinity Avenue into a Multi=storey car park.

4) To have a Park and Ride operating from Bodafon Fields using Trams to ferry into town.  Dead before it started due to the logistics of being unable to cope with the numbers at peak times.

5)  To make the Town Hall car park into a multi-storey car park

6) A "secure" coach park was provided at Builder Street  but as we all know many coaches are still illegally parked around the Town which has a blanket ban on coach parking as in the On Street Parking Order.

Plus a few others none of which have seen any action for almost 20 years.

ASDA and the Retail Parks were supposed to provide general parking but since the advent of the time limits such is no longer of use to Holiday-makers.

Parking on Marine Drive near the Toll Gate has only evolved over the past few years and due to the increasing use the yellow lines were put in to preserve the first hundred yards or so.  Anyone who wants their cars bombarded with rocks thrown by some people from the top are welcome to park as far as I am concerned!

The Lease on Maelgwyn Road car park expired some time ago and is now operating on borrowed time so there is another nail in the coffin.

As has been said by some, everyone wants to drive into Town and park IMMEDIATELY outside the place they are visiting.  So much of the problem must lie with their attitude.  The number of Disabled (Blue Badge) parking bays in any parking area are designated by Law, and most Badge holders (including myself) do not abuse their privilege as they can lose their entitlement and also be subject to a hefty fine.  Of course there are people who use someone else's Badge or a forged or stolen one.  The new plastic one may stop that.

Not much else to say now, so I'll SHUT UP! ££$

 :P :P :P





Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Nemesis on January 31, 2013, 09:00:53 am
I wonder if any of these hotels that are suffering from lack of business could do with a visit from Alex Polizzi?    ;)

She would be very welcome-- and I'm sure Blongbob would say the same.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 31, 2013, 09:03:07 am
I wonder if any of these hotels that are suffering from lack of business could do with a visit from Alex Polizzi?    ;)

She would be very welcome-- and I'm sure Blongbob would say the same.

There is certainly nothing wrong with getting a new appraisal of one's business from someone with experience and knowledge.   ;)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Nemesis on January 31, 2013, 09:06:24 am
Can't imagine that she is reviewing at the moment, she has a baby due in March !
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: mull on January 31, 2013, 09:11:03 am
Note report into the resorts future was requested in 1992.

Not a lot has happend in the past 20 years .

I now only visit about once a year to see family and it is sad to see how the place is running down.
Seems to be a lack of pride.

Only thing left is the scenery.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on January 31, 2013, 09:25:47 am
Note report into the resorts future was requested in 1992.

Not a lot has happend in the past 20 years .

I now only visit about once a year to see family and it is sad to see how the place is running down.
Seems to be a lack of pride.

Only thing left is the scenery.
You're right. The private sector (in the form of businesses like hotels) do their best to make their part of Llandudno look attractive, but the dead hand of CCBC is stifling their efforts, with a lack of civic pride, a lack of imagination, a lack of enthusiasm and a lack of innovative ideas.  &shake&
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on January 31, 2013, 11:25:00 am
You're right. The private sector (in the form of businesses like hotels) do their best to make their part of Llandudno look attractive, but the dead hand of CCBC is stifling their efforts, with a lack of civic pride, a lack of imagination, a lack of enthusiasm and a lack of innovative ideas.  &shake&

The only answer to the apathy of the Councils (CCBC and Llandudno) is for the people who care to get themselves on the Councils or to seriously lobby their Ward Councillors.  Lets see more demonstrations such as have been, and will be, held in respect of Llandudno Hospital.  Why not have a Rates Revolt?

Ah!   Shut up Yorkie - you just talk a load of rubbish!  ZXZ 
And why not, many others do! $good$

And before BlongB says anything - I was on the Town Council but along with Wrex we never got support and it was just like pe*ing into the wind!
 $uk $uk $uk

Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ian on January 31, 2013, 12:36:21 pm
Quote
You're right. The private sector (in the form of businesses like hotels) do their best to make their part of Llandudno look attractive, but the dead hand of CCBC is stifling their efforts, with a lack of civic pride, a lack of imagination, a lack of enthusiasm and a lack of innovative ideas. 

I agree.  It was envisaged that private companies would build the multi-storey car parks but thus far- nothing.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on January 31, 2013, 07:50:42 pm
                  During a recent pub discussion about Llandudno and District many years ago it seemed that I was the only person present to remember three items from the late 1940's / early 50's, and I am wondering if any "senior" Forum members can verify their existence.
           1)- A  small narrow-gauge passenger-carrying railway (similar to the one that runs by St. John's Church during the Extravaganza) which used to run just below the Summit Complex (then Randy's Bar) on the northern side of the hillside overlooking St Tudno's Church. It used to run round the hill to below where the Cablecar terminus is now then reverse round to the start again above  where the car park is now and you can still see the trackbed where it was cut into the hillside.
           2)- A large aluminium caravan which was used as a cafe, known as the "Silver Canteen" and was situated in a quarry-type layby below the inclines on Conwy Mountain on the left of the old Conwy-Penmaenmawr road (long before the present A55) just beyond where the Conwy sawmills are now, and was very popular with bikers and lorry-drivers.
           3)- A mechanical elephant on the Pier which could carry kids, was operated by a man who used to control it by a control panel situated behind it's left ear, and used to run it from in front of the Pavilion down to the "Bumping Boats" and back. I think there was one on Colwyn Bay Prom as well (or was it  the same one!) and I think I have seen photos of it there on this Forum.
            Hopefully some knowledgable Forum member will remember some or all of these items and confirm that I am not losing my memory or at least some of my rapidly-disappearing credibility!
                                                                                                                      $thanx$
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: mull on January 31, 2013, 10:20:53 pm
No memory of 1 or 2 but my wife remembers the elephant at Colwyn Bay.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Llechwedd on February 01, 2013, 04:45:27 pm
It's alright Gwynant your not going mad!

I only remember the elephant. Where the Golden Goose is now at the entrance to Llandudno pier there used to be a small pond with boats on that you could bump in to.  Very exciting!  Then to the left nearest the Pavilon was a green painted  thatched cottage.  The elephant lived in there.  You got on a seat on the top and he walked down the pier as far as the book stall.  I don't remember the controls behind the ear but will take your word for it.
We used to get excited when we were occassionally taken down in to Tucsons Arcade which was a slope behind the pond.  Those were the days!
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: norman08 on February 01, 2013, 05:08:55 pm
must be gettin old as i remember the 3, and them water boats on the pier were brill bring them back
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Blongb on February 01, 2013, 10:03:47 pm
must be gettin old as i remember the 3, and them water boats on the pier were brill bring them back

She'll kill me if she finds out, my O.H. used to work on the boats during week-ends and school holidays. When they finished see worked in the little ice-cream shop at the back of the pier pavilion
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on February 01, 2013, 10:36:20 pm
                I'm relieved that some members remember the Elephant, but confirmation of the miniature railway at the summit (the track of which still can plainly be seen from above on Google maps, running from the Crazy Golf round the hill), and the Silver Canteen are still bugging me. Although I did talk to someone tonight in the pub, who thinks he can remember all three items, but he had been in there a few hours. Norman 08, when you said you could remember the 3, did you mean all 3 or just No.3?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Llechwedd on February 02, 2013, 11:09:14 am
If I see Ethel Roberts I'll ask her.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: norman08 on February 02, 2013, 11:28:17 am
should be some pics on here somewhere of the mini train up the summit
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on February 02, 2013, 12:41:22 pm
       
If I see Ethel Roberts I'll ask her.
              Thanks for that Llechwedd, what Ethel doesn't know about the Orme isn't worth knowing!    $thanx$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on February 02, 2013, 03:53:54 pm
I can't see the train in this photo, unless I'm missing something?

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Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: ed jones on February 02, 2013, 04:16:20 pm
Gwynant, I'm pretty sure thet there was a miniature railway up at the summit, I can just about remember it. I think it ran from the right hand side of Randy's place, round the back for a couple of hundred yards or so.
I never went on it but  I do remember it (I think). Us lads used to play football on the Waun, just by the second tram station (it was the only flat bit of grass in the area). When we got fed up we would all go off down the copper mines,  up the summit or all over the Orme like mountain goats. Makes me shudder when I see the places we used to get to. WWW
Just watched the rugby, oh eck!!! >:(
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cambrian on February 02, 2013, 06:04:35 pm
You're right Ed.  It was to the east of the main building - I wondered if it was part of the one the same owners used at Gwrych.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on February 02, 2013, 08:04:24 pm
I can't see the train in this photo, unless I'm missing something?

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           Dave , the railway was on the other (Eastern) side of the summit, overlooking St. Tudno's Church, and as I said in a previous post, the old trackbed can be plainly seen from above  on Google Maps running from the Crazy Golf area to below the Cablecar terminus.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: ed jones on February 04, 2013, 05:56:13 pm
Chris, I also remember the elephant on the pier but I cannot bring to mind the silver caravan (too young to have a car!!!) Like Llechwedd I also used to love to get into Tucsons arcade, it had a unique smell bit like burnt metal, the air rifle range was a bleedin fix, no power and the pelleted dart flights were all over the place. Many happy hours there Lal. *&( $walesflag$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ajllandudno on April 09, 2013, 06:06:18 pm
Does anybody know anything about hiring land for a wedding on llys helyg drives react Orme llandudno? Any information would be great
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Fester on April 09, 2013, 11:43:51 pm
AJL, I think you will struggle to hire land in that area, given that all the owners on their are so minted already, why would they need to hire it out?   Good luck though.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on April 15, 2013, 06:17:46 pm
You could always have an "Arabian Nights" themed wedding by using the "grassed" area on West Shore prom!    :D   
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ajllandudno on April 16, 2013, 11:07:42 pm
The people whom own houses/land around there would be making a young woman very happy if they could help us out,.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Jack on April 17, 2013, 08:53:47 am
Does anybody know anything about hiring land for a wedding on llys helyg drives react Orme llandudno? Any information would be great

I believe there is a guy who owns a holiday home on Millionaire's Row who will put up a marquee in the garden for weddings, he lives in the Llandudno area but I don't really want to put his phone number on here so I will try and email you.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Jack on April 17, 2013, 08:58:00 am
AJLlandudno, I have sent you an email.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: hardknox on April 17, 2013, 06:24:02 pm
right,,question for you lot. mate of mine has set of bedroom furniture he wants to get rid,,can anyone tell me which charity shops take furniture and if they pick up or not??
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 17, 2013, 06:44:40 pm
You could try Dan's Den, 01492 534612 advert on page 7 of today's Pioneer
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on April 17, 2013, 06:50:30 pm
I recently moved house, and donated a few bits & pieces to the Air Ambulance shop in Llandudno. They were very pleasant when I went in,  and so grateful for the donations too. I'm fairly sure that they will pick up larger items of furniture too.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Fester on April 17, 2013, 06:56:07 pm
Mr Knox!
I managed to get rid of a lot of large furniture items in the last couple of years.
But it was in the Llandudno area, I think you said you were in Colwyn Bay?

Only the Air Ambulance shop would take the large items, but a word of caution... they would not take my upholstery items without the flame-retardant labels attached.  ££$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on April 17, 2013, 07:15:05 pm
                   I am sure St.David's Hospice pick up furniture and also Crest, Llandudno Junction, as I think they took over Conwy Furniture Reclaim, which used to be in Douglas Road, Colwyn Bay.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: 1_rob_1 on April 17, 2013, 07:39:48 pm
British heart foundation pick up large items:
http://www.bhf.org.uk/shop/donating-goods.aspx? (http://www.bhf.org.uk/shop/donating-goods.aspx?)
Title: New to the Area
Post by: ccgh on April 18, 2013, 08:40:51 am
Hello,

Not sure id I have posted this in the right place, so apologies if not.

I have moved to Colwyn Bay less than two weeks ago and due to my husband getting a job we had to find somewhere to live without looking round. We found a house to rent and moved up here with our two children and two dogs. My husband is away during the week at the moment.

I have a few questions which I hope someone can help me with?

Firstly, I am not sure of the area we have moved to but we have a 6 month tenancy agreement so this is only a short term issue, my main issue is schools for my 6 year old I have enrolled her in the nearest school which is Glan Y Mor but I am really not sure about it, could anyone please advise me on other schools in the area and their reputations.

Please could someone let me know where the Doctors surgeries are?

When are the works to the beach due to be completed, it looks as though it will be fantastic when it's open, and are dogs allowed on the part of the beach by the new building when that stretch opens?

Lastly can anyone recommend a reliable garage nearby as my car has just broken down?

Many thanks in advance

ccgh
Title: Re: New to the Area
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2013, 09:04:59 am
Welcome to the Forum.  :) I can answer a couple of those questions.

Here's a Doctor, it's in the West End of Colwyn Bay:
http://www.rhoslansurgery.co.uk/ (http://www.rhoslansurgery.co.uk/)

Dogs are currently not allowed on that bit of beach (between Pier and new Watersports Centre) between 1st May and 30th September. You can walk your dog on the other side of the Pier anytime.
Title: Re: New to the Area
Post by: ccgh on April 18, 2013, 09:22:39 am
Thank you
Title: Re: New to the Area
Post by: Nemesis on April 18, 2013, 09:46:15 am
Hi ccgh.

Just a point that Dave didn't mention-- there has been alot of controversy about dogs/ where they can go/ fouling/ and where they aren't allowed recently. We seem to have some rather overactive vigilantes who issue large on the spot fines to any poor unknowing soul who dares to set foot where they shouldn't with their dogs.
Dave might be able to add a link to postings on the subject.

My OH uses a mobile mechanic and recommends him for your car.
TH Mobile Mechanic  01492 596558  07836298391.
Mention Morris Minor and he will know who we are ! ;D
Title: Re: New to the Area
Post by: Ian on April 18, 2013, 09:59:03 am
Quote
could anyone please advise me on other schools in the area and their reputations.

Yu can go onto the Welsh Education Estyn site for a full inspection report.  Click here for the relevant page. (http://www.estyn.gov.uk/english/inspection/inspection-reports/?searchTitle=&searchType=43&localAuthority=90&searchPostcode=&searchDistance=10&submitted=1)
Title: Re: New to the Area
Post by: Ian on April 18, 2013, 10:05:25 am
Do you mean Ysgol Babanod Glan y Mor Greenfield Road Colwyn Bay Conwy
LL29 8ET?  If so the inspection just completed graded the school's performance as 'adequate'.
Title: Re: New to the Area
Post by: ccgh on April 22, 2013, 07:53:49 pm
Thank you you've all been really helpful and I am looking forward to getting to know the area better and spending many happy years here.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ajllandudno on April 25, 2013, 11:41:40 pm
St davids hospice I'm sure would collect the unwanted things your friend has
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: white rabbit on April 26, 2013, 07:51:29 pm
Wales Air Ambulance will collect any donated furniture but as Fester said any upholstered items must have fire labels.  Also do not accept mattresses unless still in the wrapper.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ajllandudno on April 26, 2013, 09:35:18 pm
Jack I haven't had an Email, could you try send another please thanks
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Jack on April 26, 2013, 10:36:19 pm
Hi AJLlandudno I have sent the email again, don't want to put the persons phone number on a public forum as I don't think it's appropriate.
He has a holiday home on Llys Helig Drive and will happily put a marquee up on the lawns for weddings.  If you don't get the email not sure how I can get the number to you.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on April 27, 2013, 10:14:12 pm
Jack, email the details to me at admin @ threetownsforum.co.uk and I will pass them on.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on April 28, 2013, 09:30:15 am
I've received the info from Jack and have emailed it to Ajllandudno.

Dave
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Ajllandudno on April 29, 2013, 11:51:53 pm
I've received the info from Jack and have emailed it to Ajllandudno.

Dave

Thank you for email, I'll let you know how I get on.
Title: Where is Gay Terrace, in Llandudno
Post by: BrianP on May 28, 2013, 03:31:39 pm
Hello,
I would like to know the location of Gay Terrace, Llandudno. It was the address of Richard & Martha Davies in 1881, Richard was a plasterer by trade, born about 1855 in Llandudno. His wife Martha was born in Dwygyfylchi about 1854.
Thanks,
Brian
Title: Re: Where is Gay Terrace, in Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on May 28, 2013, 03:52:08 pm
Didn't Fester used to live there?
Title: Re: Where is Gay Terrace, in Llandudno
Post by: Cambrian on May 28, 2013, 04:42:25 pm
Gay Terrace was originally three properties in Ty Gwyn Road.  I am not sure of the current numbers as the houses were later incorporated in the numbering of Ty Gwyn Road, but they are on the right hand side as you go up the Orme and just before Black Gate. I am fairly sure that no. 27 was in the terrace so that may help.
Title: Re: Where is Gay Terrace, in Llandudno
Post by: BrianP on May 29, 2013, 08:40:30 pm
Thank you Cambrian
Brian
Title: Re: Where is Gay Terrace, in Llandudno
Post by: Fester on May 29, 2013, 09:21:31 pm
Didn't Fester used to live there?

Ohh... you beat me to the punch there.      1-0 to you,
I shall equalise, when you least expect it!
Title: snowdon
Post by: owdcodger on June 27, 2013, 08:07:55 am
coming to llandudno in september, 5 day stay. intend exploring both the orme's and the town.also got a tour of angelsey booked .but we would really like a day on mount snowdon,is puplic transport ok . and are there any easy routes up snowdon .[for a knackered old 63]
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 27, 2013, 08:35:42 am
No idea on public transport, but the only easy way up Snowdon is the railway.

http://www.snowdonrailway.co.uk/ (http://www.snowdonrailway.co.uk/)

 ££$
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: Nemesis on June 27, 2013, 08:44:12 am
Hi owdcodger.
There are buses all over North Wales, most are reliable, you would need to get to Llanberis which would involve probably a couple of buses ( no trains to the foot of Snowdon).( Something that I had trouble making some American's understand!).
What you could do with is Public Transport Information which is obtainable from Tourist Offices and bus depots. On the front is an E-Mail address
www.conwy.gov.uk (http://www.conwy.gov.uk)
They might forward one to you so that you could plan ahead.
http://www.magazine.ordnancesurveyleisure.co.uk/magazine/tscontent/editorials/walking/2011/snowdon.html (http://www.magazine.ordnancesurveyleisure.co.uk/magazine/tscontent/editorials/walking/2011/snowdon.html)
If you type in the above link it tells you about the various routes to walk up Snowdon.
Just type in Routes to walk up Snowdon and all kinds of things pop up !

The Snowdon Railway costs an arm and a leg and you need to book ahead ( £27.00 per person plus a booking fee probably)
http://www.snowdonrailway.co.uk/times_prices.php (http://www.snowdonrailway.co.uk/times_prices.php)

As for the Ormes-- Great Orme has alot of info. on the net, and there is a lesser amount for the Little Orme.

Hope this helps
Nem.
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: Hugo on June 27, 2013, 10:31:48 am
Hi Owdcodger,   I'm a few years older than you but I walk up Snowdon a few times a year.  It's not easy but providing you take your time it can be an enjoyable walk.
The easiest way and one of the most picturesque is on the PYG Track.  It starts at Pen Y Pass (altitude about 1100 feet) so there is only an ascent of 2500 feet!   
I would estimate your walking time up and down to be 5 to 6 hours.   If you do it though, pick a good day because the mountain weather can change very quickly.
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: Tosh on June 27, 2013, 12:52:58 pm
I get the impression that Owdcodger might be a Stokie.
No problem, it's easier than climbing Mow Cop.
Tosh
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: owdcodger on June 27, 2013, 12:58:16 pm
thank's for the great info & link's very much appreciated. maybe see a few of you in your local boozer[witherspoons]
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: Blongb on June 27, 2013, 03:12:51 pm
Take the Conwy Valley Train or the No 19 Arriva Bus from Llandudno to Betws-y-Coed. Change to the S2 Sherpa Bus which will take you to Pen-y-Pass for the Miners or Pyg Paths up Snowdon or stay on the Bus to Llanberis and the Snowdon Mountain Railway. I think it cost around £29 a round trip and it is always better to pre book your tickets as it gets very full at almost any time of the year.  ££$
Title: Re: snowdon
Post by: owdcodger on June 27, 2013, 03:26:05 pm
Blongb, excellent help & information, thank you. sir/madam .
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cordyline on July 18, 2013, 07:53:27 pm
Questions about places.....
We have rented a cottage near Conway for  September
Just wondering how an English bloke  would pronounce Sychnant Pass ?



We are planning a   visit to Llandudno in August;  are there any Three Towns members who own  small hotels B & B etc ?
Cordy
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on July 18, 2013, 07:56:07 pm
Su-ch-nant  The 'ch' bit is quite difficult to pronounce, it's a bit like trying to clear your throat!

I believe we have one or two guest house owners amongst our ranks, perhaps they would like to email Cordyline by clicking on the envelope symbol underneath his profile photo.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cordyline on July 18, 2013, 09:32:18 pm
Cheers DaveR
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Fester on July 18, 2013, 11:56:04 pm
Su-ch-nant  The 'ch' bit is quite difficult to pronounce, it's a bit like trying to clear your throat!

I believe we have one or two guest house owners amongst our ranks, perhaps they would like to email Cordyline by clicking on the envelope symbol underneath his profile photo.

Cordyline needs to enable that function first I think, in profile, and options.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cordyline on July 19, 2013, 10:42:04 am
Ta Fester; is that better ?
 $good$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cambrian on July 19, 2013, 12:30:46 pm
I have always found the easiest way to convey the "ch" sound in Welsh is to tell folk it is the same as "ch" as in Bach the composer.  Those unfamiliar with Welsh seem to have no difficulty with his name.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on July 20, 2013, 09:09:59 am
I have always found the easiest way to convey the "ch" sound in Welsh is to tell folk it is the same as "ch" as in Bach the composer.  Those unfamiliar with Welsh seem to have no difficulty with his name.
That's a good idea.  $good$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Trojan on July 23, 2013, 06:12:55 pm
Pass is pronounced the same as "Bus Pass" "Pass the milk please" or "Pass the Dutchie" (on the left-hand side)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cordyline on July 23, 2013, 09:14:51 pm
The Pass I will manage OK  $good$

Is Su pronounced as in Sue or like sutch ?  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Jack on July 23, 2013, 09:32:22 pm
As in sutch  $walesflag$
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Fester on July 24, 2013, 12:11:58 am
What's a SUTCH?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Nemesis on July 24, 2013, 02:56:53 am
A Screaming Lord ?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cordyline on July 24, 2013, 02:46:17 pm


Here (http://translate.google.co.uk/#en/cy/onto%20Sychnant%20Pass%20llandudno)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Trojan on July 24, 2013, 06:29:23 pm
A Screaming Lord ?

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Trojan on July 24, 2013, 07:44:41 pm
The Pass I will manage OK  $good$

Is Su pronounced as in Sue or like sutch ?  $walesflag$

Actually, Sychnant Pass is the English version.

In Welsh it is Bwlch Sychnant

The "ch" is pronounced as if after you've just coughed-up a lump of phlegm in your throat and it's basically the sound when you spit it out. "Chhhhhhhhh"  :puke2: (Just smoke 20 Benson & Hedges the night before and you should have a nice supply the next morning). The rest is relatively easy.

Bwl (Bool) - ch (Chhhhhhhh  :puke2:)

Su (as in Suprise) ch (Chhhhhhhh  :puke2:) nant (same as you would pronounce in English)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Fester on July 25, 2013, 01:20:14 am
Trojan's new book on Welsh to English translations is full of such colourful, useful and health-conscious tips.

I hear it was sponsored by British Tobacco.   :laugh: $walesflag$ :puke2: :puke2:
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Trojan on July 29, 2013, 06:29:18 pm
Now to progress further try this:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
Title: Rectory Lane
Post by: Llechwedd on July 30, 2013, 09:57:51 am
Anyone got old photo of cottages  at the back of St. George's church?
Title: Help please
Post by: wjones74 on August 06, 2013, 07:40:30 pm
Hello , this is an unusually large (A3) Judge ltd print , they were known for producing landscape postcards from around the uk , I think it's Snowdon in the background but not 100% , any help would be gratefully appreciated , the lettering on the building in the foreground is not legible but its arrangement could be a Welsh and English hotel name ?
Kind regards,
Will
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: DaveR on August 06, 2013, 08:08:29 pm
The building is the Royal Hotel at Capel Curig, now the Plas Y Brenin National Mountain Centre. Snowdon is in the distance, as you say.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Jack on August 06, 2013, 08:11:08 pm
Looks like the Royal Hotel, Capel Curig now known as Plas y Brenin.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: wjones74 on August 06, 2013, 08:28:46 pm
 Thank you both very much  ,
 :)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Trojan on August 08, 2013, 01:13:52 am
The two lakes are known as Llynnau Mymbyr
Title: Morfa House Conwy
Post by: wardeworld on August 16, 2013, 11:24:52 pm
Hi
Researching my family history with some success - But got a census for 1911 that lists the address as Morfa House Conwy Can anybody tell me where it was and of course any pictures?

Chris Ward
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 18, 2013, 08:32:36 pm
Hi Chris,  I don't know where the house was but perhaps some members on the forum who live in the Conwy area might know.
There is a Street Index in the Conwy Archives in Llandudno that I think covers the Conwy area in 1911 but your relatives name would be needed to trace it alphabetically.
I've also found in other Census records if you supply say two other addresses that appear before and after your relatives address then this may also help to pin point the address of Morfa House
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on August 21, 2013, 08:27:55 am
Thanks for the suggestion- checked the census but no luck all records either side seem to for large houses with no street details
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 21, 2013, 08:40:55 am
Naming those individual houses may prove useful to us locals, Chris.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 21, 2013, 12:32:46 pm
Bri's right Chris,  naming the other houses could help to identify Morfa House quickly.    Morfa House has no street details either but that does not mean that they were large houses just that there was no street name attached.
Census records are usually in some form of pattern and that is why it would be helpful to have the other house names to get some idea where it is or was.
Like wise in the 1911 Street Index if we knew the name of the person you are looking up then someone could look it up quickly at the archives.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cambrian on August 21, 2013, 02:49:49 pm
Hugo, there was a Morfa Boarding House and a Morfa Cottage down on the Beacons. If Chris gave a name you could perhaps tie those in with the census.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 21, 2013, 03:46:55 pm
Thanks Cambrian,  is it likely to still be there or do you know if it has gone with all the development that has happened in that area?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on August 21, 2013, 06:43:46 pm
I'm thinking it is the row of older houses across the road from Ysgol Aberconwy that used to lead along to the Golf Club/Beacons before the A55 was built?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Bri Roberts on August 21, 2013, 09:04:22 pm
Near Dr Garretts?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on August 21, 2013, 11:25:24 pm
Hi
the entry before Morfa House is for Gorse Bank followed by Holiewood House -  The family member i am researching is Hannah Parry who  i know was born in Junction about 1889
Many thanks
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: suepp on August 22, 2013, 04:29:12 pm
Looking at the 1929 Directory, Gorse Bank is on Morfa Drive, the entry follows the one for Dr Garretts  Childrens Convalescent home  and sanatorium which is listed as two properties  - Min-y-Don  and Holmfield -  This was set up in the 1910's and consisted of several properties  (up to 5) known collectively as Dr Garrets, - There are no entries for Morfa House or Holliewood house on this road in 1929 so it could be that by then  they formed part of the Dr Garretts complex. There is a Morfa View, a Morfa Gardens House and a Morfa Cottage  on the same road.

There is a lot of info on the internet about Dr Garrets which might help you and there is a collection of photos held at the Archives in Lloyd Street Llandudno
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on August 22, 2013, 10:07:00 pm
Many thanks least have a rough idea where it was
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on August 23, 2013, 08:56:37 am
On rechecking the census return not sure of the spelling of Holliewood - looks like begins Hol and ends wood but the are poss a couple of letters in between that can not work out -  Morfa house must have been a considerable building which i guess Dr Garret's took over: it is listed in 1911 as with 24 rooms by looking at the the other residents a boarding house even a school with people from France Switzerland & Germany listed as students  Thanks for your help in putting one part of the family in a location now on to the hard bit sort out Davies of Gyffin -  No peace for the wicked
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: suepp on August 23, 2013, 10:07:18 am
I worked at Dr Garretts for a short time in the 1970's the main house was a very fine building and in a lot of the rooms original features like wood panelling and carved fireplaces were still intact.

The 1929 directory includes Gyffin if you would like me to look up a name for you
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: DaveR on August 23, 2013, 10:20:50 am
Thanks Cambrian,  is it likely to still be there or do you know if it has gone with all the development that has happened in that area?
Dr Garretts closed in 1989, it is now a housing development named 'Dr Garretts Drive'.
http://goo.gl/maps/N4Cp5 (http://goo.gl/maps/N4Cp5)

A lot of information and some photos can be seen here:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/wales/archive/bbc-north-west-wales-conwy-dr-garretts-childrens-home-history.pdf (http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/wales/archive/bbc-north-west-wales-conwy-dr-garretts-childrens-home-history.pdf)
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: suepp on August 23, 2013, 11:43:30 am
It looks so different now
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Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 23, 2013, 09:57:07 pm
Gorse Bank is still there at No 36 Morfa Drive Conwy so Morfa House should be No 38 if it is still there.   
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Paulakelsall on August 26, 2013, 09:39:56 pm
I believe at least two of the large detached houses on Morfa Drive were split to form semi detached houses at some point in the past. It would follow that the properties would require renaming. I am sorry I do not know the old/new names or numbering.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 27, 2013, 03:47:18 pm
I had a look in Morfa Drive today and Gorse Bank (No36)  is still there but Morfa House isn't.   It must have been demolished to make way for the new housing estate.
Gorse Bank is the older property on the left of the photo and the new house at No 38 is roughly where Morfa House would have been. 
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2013, 04:47:07 pm
I was in the Archives and had a look at the 1922 Street Index for Conwy and the building was listed as Morfa Guest House and the breadwinner was Miss Howarth Walker. On the other side of this property were Holmfield and then Holmwood.
In the 1922 Street Index Morfa House was still run by Miss Howarth Walker but next door was now called Min Y Don Childrens Convalescent Home and Sanatorium run by Thos. James Galloway Garrett.
After reading Suepp's postings,  I read a bit about Dr Garrett's home and all the good work that he had done so it's only fitting that he had a street named in his honour.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on August 28, 2013, 07:31:25 pm
Many thanks for the update &pics
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2013, 10:22:14 pm
You're very welcome Chris.   If you need any help on here regarding the Davies side just post on here as those Street Indexes can be an easy way of getting info on addresses.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on September 01, 2013, 05:49:40 pm
I was reading Chris Draper's book " walks from Conwy" and came across an article that may be of interest.   It said that when you reach the large semi detached Victorian house (must be Gorse Bank)  there used to be 6 large semi detached houses at the end of the row. In 1916 Dr Garrett bought the one at the far end called Min Y Don and then with the help of the Manchester board of Guardians he then bought the other five houses and ran them as an extension of his Convalescent home.
The home was closed on 31st January 1989 put up for sale and was subsequently demolished and a new estate of houses built, Morfa House would have been one of the six houses that were demolished.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on September 01, 2013, 11:11:53 pm
Hugo
If you are able to check the street index's of Conwy to confirm my Dad was a Jackdaw - Hannah Parry Married my Grandfather Harry Ward in Feb 1914 and lived in Berry St Conwy where they had my Farther Ivor in Mar 1915 they all moved to Junction in the early 1920,s Your help would be much appreciated but no rush

Chris
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on September 01, 2013, 11:19:59 pm
Chris,  all being well I'm going to the Archives on Tuesday 3rd Sept and I'll have a look then and see what I can find,
I know that they have a 1914 Street Index and a 1922 one so I'll have a look at them both
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Trojan on September 02, 2013, 06:57:09 pm
If you are able to check the street index's of Conwy to confirm my Dad was a Jackdaw

I've searched the RSPB website but unfortunately he's not listed.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Cambrian on September 02, 2013, 07:33:34 pm
Chris -  I'm sure Hugo will find more info for you but in the meantime, I have located a H Ward, labourer, who was living at 4 Roosevelt Terrace, Llandudno Junction in 1929.  He probably had died by 1939 as the householder is then listed as Mrs H Ward.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on September 02, 2013, 10:40:02 pm
Thanks Cam - That is the right one because i have a copy of death certificate Harry died in 1926 at the young age of 39 from my understanding he was working at llandudno Jct on the railway
and had some kind of accident and lost an arm which eventually led to his death
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on September 03, 2013, 04:58:53 pm
Hugo
If you are able to check the street index's of Conwy to confirm my Dad was a Jackdaw -

I went to the Conwy Archives and had a look at two Street Indexes.   The 1922 didn't have Harry Ward in Berry Street so he must have moved to the Junction by then.

The 1914 Street Index did have Harry Ward in it living at No 34 Berry Street and Harry's occupation was a gardener.

So Chris you are indeed a Jackdaw but only just!   The cottage was the very last one near the town walls and it has since been demolished and replaced by this these  modern houses or flats.  The photo was taken today and your Taid's cottage would have been next to the steps and the walls, so very little privacy in the back garden
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wardeworld on September 03, 2013, 05:54:38 pm
Many thanks Hugo and a picture as well ! Harry was a gardener a bodlondeb until the first world war but don't think he ever returned to it because he joined the railway early 1920's
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Bri Roberts on September 03, 2013, 06:19:16 pm
The cottage was the very last one near the town walls and it has since been demolished and replaced by this these  modern houses or flats.   

Hugo, those new mews houses were built after the Territorial Army Drill Hall was demolished in 2003.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Hugo on September 03, 2013, 10:18:25 pm
The cottage was the very last one near the town walls and it has since been demolished and replaced by this these  modern houses or flats.   

Hugo, those new mews houses were built after the Territorial Army Drill Hall was demolished in 2003.

Thanks Bri,  I bet there is a photo somewhere of Chris's Taid's old cottage before the demolition occurred.

Sorry Chris, but I meant that your Dad was a Jackdaw and not yourself.     :-[
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: wrex on November 05, 2013, 08:34:44 am
Off to Grasmere in january for a few nights staying at the Daffodil hotel,anybody been to the village or hotel.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on November 05, 2013, 08:44:23 am
It is a big old fashioned building and here is what they say about themselves.

The Daffodil Hotel and Spa offers contemporary luxury on the shores of Grasmere water, located in the heart of The Lake District and just a short walk into Grasmere village. A full English breakfast is served each morning and free Wi-Fi is available throughout.

Rooms at The Daffodil Hotel and Spa are stylish and spacious, each with a flat-screen TV and media panel, en suite bathroom with complimentary Molton Brown toiletries, luxury crisp cotton linen, ironing facilities and still bottled water.

Guests staying at The Daffodil can also indulge in the hotel’s luxury spa complete with Germaine De Capuccini therapies and products, a 10m thermal pool, steam room, sauna and tepidarium.

The restaurant at The Daffodil serves a traditional British menu with a modern twist. The dining room enjoys a lake view, as does the Sitting Room where afternoon tea is served. In addition the property has a beautiful terrace for enjoying the finer weather.

The hotel is ideally situated on the A591 as you enter Grasmere which allows easy access to the popular Lake District towns of Keswick 13 miles to the north and Ambleside 4 miles to the south.

I like the Lake District  as it has some fabulous scenery and some excellent driving roads!   :D
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: mull on November 05, 2013, 09:03:27 am
Regular visitors to Grasmere and stay at Bridge House Hotel, highly re comended.
Good base for touring around. If you enjoy easy walking get hold of a copy of booklet " Nowt but scenery " .
Hope you enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Nemesis on November 05, 2013, 09:46:52 am
Grasmere is a lovely village-- stayed near there a few times in different places. Skelwith Bridge Hotel-- Highfield House in Hawkshead and The Old Vicarage in Ambleside to name a few of them
The only tip I can offer is take warm clothes if you are venturing outside. It is perishing up there in winter !
Just as an aside-- once lost a clutch over Hardknott !
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on July 08, 2014, 08:47:47 am
                 I have a pass from Llandudno Town Hall to enable me to have free entry to the Marine Drive for access to the Great Orme Cemetery to visit relative's graves. Does that pass cover free parking at the Summit Complex as apparently the purchase of a ticket at the Tollgate is valid for parking there and must be displayed when you park there?
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Bri Roberts on July 08, 2014, 08:50:48 am
I recently purchased the Annual Pass for £15 from the Town Hall and it covers me to park at the Summit.
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Yorkie on July 08, 2014, 09:05:41 am
                 I have a pass from Llandudno Town Hall to enable me to have free entry to the Marine Drive for access to the Great Orme Cemetery to visit relative's graves. Does that pass cover free parking at the Summit Complex as apparently the purchase of a ticket at the Tollgate is valid for parking there and must be displayed when you park there?

I think you will find that the Cemetery Pass only covers visits to the departed.  The two passes are different colours.    Z**
Title: Re: Questions about places
Post by: Gwynant on July 08, 2014, 09:14:23 am
           Thanks for your prompt and informative replies Bri and Yorkie, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Penrhyn Slate Quarries
Post by: Jelly Baby on July 19, 2015, 02:12:40 pm
Does anyone know anything about the Llysfaen Slate Quarries? I have some old photos which we think are part of the old quarry. One is in the form of a post card showing 2 men with a steam-powered rock drill. On the back is written:
Ground Lime 1 (pound sign - sorry I don't have one!) per ton &
1/3 per ton carriage
Lump lime
Cannot entertain
order this year
Bob
It is addressed to Mr W H Pierce
Purveyor of Meat
?Everard? Road
Rhos on Sea
Why would a "purveyor of meat" want ground or lump lime? Was it part of curing hams or something?
Was the Llysfaen Quarry anything to do with the Little Orme Slate Quarry?
I think one of the photos shows my Uncle, but not sure!
Title: Re: Welcome!
Post by: John M on May 07, 2016, 10:38:29 pm
Hi

I am researching Red Cross/St. John WW1 hospitals for a project on Geograph and noticed a picture of the Balmoral Hotel on your site. This was one of a number listed in Llandudno including the Belmont and Plas Tudno.

I would welcome some local advice as to whether some of the buildings are still there at all. I don't have much to go on only the 1919 list.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/article/Auxiliary-Hospitals/6#wales (http://www.geograph.org.uk/article/Auxiliary-Hospitals/6#wales)

Title: Re: Re: Welcome!
Post by: Hugo on May 07, 2016, 10:54:30 pm
The Belmont and Plas Tudno buildings are still there but the Sarah Nicol Memorial Hospital is now an empty building and may be demolished in the future and apartments erected in its place.