Three Towns Forum
The Local => Times Past => Topic started by: miriam on December 31, 2012, 03:14:52 pm
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Found this picture of Madge and Lily, looks like the sandhills in the background.
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Blast from the past that is Miriam. Yes those look like the sandhills in the background
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Hi Miriam.
Just found this whilst browsing. Thank for posting it - one I've never seen before. $walesflag$
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Was Lily the daughter of Thomas and Lily OWEN and born in Bristol?
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Hi Jom - I think Lily married a Cox I'm looking into today
Phil
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PhilMick, Lily Owen lived in the same street as me and she wasn't married (1970) then although she had a son called Billy who would be about 60 now.
She has a brother called Ernie and he was a nice guy as were all the Owen family. Madge Cox lived about 3 doors away from Lily and she was married to Johny Cox who in his earlier days was a good footballer and a nice guy too.
Madge's son Michael is a forum member and posts on here occasionally under the name Micox and he's got loads of info on the Llandudno Jones (Yr Ogof) side.
There is another member on here who lived next door to Madge and she may be able to supply any info for you, her name is Miriam
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Thanks everyone. Big coincidence as in my tree is a Lily married to Thomas Owen who had a family member marry a Cox. Too many Owens ;D Also Ed and a few of us are related so it seemed likely
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I was looking at a Lily Owen who was the daughter of Thomas Owen (1889-1934) and Lily Havard. Thomas was a Llandudno boy and then married a Bristol girl and lived there for the rest of his life. If the info I have is correct (it's secondary), Lily married Stafford Cox also from Bristol. I wondered if Madge Cox came from that family. However, it's just a coincidence of names.
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I can remember Lily, her son Billy and brother Ernie and I think that another brother was also living in the same house but I can't remember his name.
When I left Llandudno in 1970 I'm sure that Lily wasn't married but I lived at the other end of the street and her near neighbours Miriam and Micox would know for sure.
I hope that they can see these postings and help you with your research.
We did have an Owen living next door but his name was Sam and Jom, Sam had a son who lived on the Great Orme and he was called John Owen!!!
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I haven't got any Owens that lived in the Alex and Kings Road area on my wife's tree. My wife's line comes from Owens that lived in upper Mostyn Street and that end of town. William and Jane Owen (nee Hughes) moved to Mowbray Road in 1926. The Enoch Owen on the cenotaph was her great uncle. Incidently, I've read on the forum that other contributors think that the William Owen on the cenotaph is Enoch's brother. William, Enoch's brother, survived the 1WW after serving at Gallipoli and died in the 40s still living at Mowbray Road.
Phil
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Slightly off topic but the mention of the Yr Ogof family reminds me that there is an issue with the Ted yr Ogof memorial on the prom. From what I gather, the memorial has moved and is unsafe - members may have seen it is barriered off. I believe the plaque is in the beach office for safekeeping. The Town Council is arranging for re-construction.
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I was looking at a Lily Owen who was the daughter of Thomas Owen (1889-1934) and Lily Havard. Thomas was a Llandudno boy and then married a Bristol girl and lived there for the rest of his life. If the info I have is correct (it's secondary), Lily married Stafford Cox also from Bristol. I wondered if Madge Cox came from that family. However, it's just a coincidence of names.
Philmick... If you're recalling this part of your wife's tree from me then the information was from direct descendants of Thomas and Lily (several grandchildren from different Thomas and Lily offspring - some of whom have ancestry.co.uk trees) so it's pretty robust as well as my own independent research. Did I put sources in the tree I sent this time or I may have done on our initial contact a year or so ago? Happy to send if I didn't ;)
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Hi Jom - for that part of the family I would rely on Ancestry and the common concensus of the combined family trees. Your trees come up consistently with the searches I have done, in fact, I think that many of the trees are based on your work. What I find interesting is how name combinations seem to repeat seemingly quite randomly. For example, Owen and Cox.
I have added more photos of the Owen family to my wife's tree. At the moment these are based on Velma Owen's wedding photo in 1943. I'm asking some of the other relations do they recognise any of the people that we can't identify.
phil
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Oooo sounds interesting ... might take a peek. Cheers Phil
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Hi Philmick.
Just to set the record straight, Madge was my Mam and we lived in 17 Cwm Place, a first floor flat. Father was John Cox, originally from Penrhyn Bay and of an Irish family. Madge's maiden name was Stallard and her Mother, my Nain, was Rose Stallard, nee Jones who lived in Back Madoc Street when the family moved from Welshpool in 1875. There are still many Stallards/Joneses in Llandudno - a fair old tribe.
In the flat below us (18) when we moved there in 1949, was elderly Mrs Williams and her daughter Lusitania May, a very tormented young woman violently mentally ill. Later, Alun Yr Ogo and his wife Megan moved there - smashing people. They had a daughter Miriam, who I remember as a very pretty young lady. It was she who posted the photo on here.
Lily Owen lived three houses up from us and she had brothers Ernie, George and David. David later started a very successful small Smithy business in Builder Street which expanded and relocated to Llandudno Junction. Ernie, although a little older, was a good mate but he suffered from eplilepsy. George, the middle brother was a character: always friendly and good natured, he could also be quite funny. He was too, a skating whiz, leading 'whip' and the roller hockey at the skating rink. I think Mam and Lily probably worked in the same place, either Welcoast Ice Cream or the old isolation hospital down Cwm Road. $good$ Heddwch. Mike
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Hi Mike,
Hope that you are keeping well over there in Norfolk. I think the Owen family lived at No 24 Cwm Place but it's so long since I lived in the street that I can't be certain. I do remember the family apart from David but did Lily ever marry because I can only ever remember calling her Miss Owen when I used to speak to her.
Did the family move from Cwm Place to the estate, possibly Ffordd Morfa as I've a very vague memory that they left Cwm Place at some time
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Thanks Micox - probably my late mother in law, Amy Ferguson nee Owen, would have known them. She lived in Mowbray Road from 1926 until she passed away last year.
When I see a Llandudno Owen I tend to think they are related to her family.
I see from Hugo's post that you are over in Norfolk - my father's family were Norwich people.
Phil
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No one reads these however Lily Owen was my mums best friend at one time and we lived next door in Ffordd Morfa, Ernie was a coalman and a real nice guy, Billy was ok too and I grew up with Beverly a real nice girl who became a hairdresser. They moved to the houses behind the Links Hotel.
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Yes we do........... $good$ and thanks for your post.
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The Owens lived in Cwm Place when I lived there and were a nice family, sometimes Ernie used to join in the football matches when we played on Cwm Place field.
I seem to remember an older member of the Owen family living there but can't remember his name but I'm thinking that he may have been called George and he was a nice guy too. I can't recall Beverley in Cwm Place though
Ernie and another guy kept pigs and the Pigsty was at the very top of Bodnant Road
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Thanks Steve and Hugo.
we moved to Ffordd Morfa in around 1968/9 . and always remember aunt Lil (not real aunt as we know). I would remember that face anywhere a kind and cool woman. Yea Remember Owens in Cwm Place the old guy with The coach tours which mum and dad went with Lil and Ernie. I could write a book on Ffordd Morfa btw. Lil used to work at a Dry cleaners which used to be at the end of Mostyn Street i guess where the amusements is now. Forgive me I moved away in 88 and a lot of things have changed. I remember that Bodnant Rd farm too. Beverly yes She worked at the hairdressers next to the palladium where I used to be her test dummy on hair colour. Anyway they moved out and the Lewis Family moved in at Ffordd Morfa. Peggy and Chris Lewis a nice family. The other Lady Cox I think worked with My dad at Hi Hat. Respect Guys.