Three Towns Forum
The Local => Times Past => Topic started by: dwsi on August 30, 2011, 01:58:57 pm
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12TH -17TH AUGUST 1963
Odeon Theatre, Llandudno
http://bit.ly/ovANnY (http://bit.ly/ovANnY)
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I think you may find the little blighters have moved to Venue Cymry - I get bitten every time I go there! _))*
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such memories i was lucky enough to be back stage every night,
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I joined the Beatles Fan Club in the early sixties.
I saved all the ‘Beatles Monthly’ magazines for many years and then lent them to a cousin who never returned them.
The next time I saw the Number 1 edition of Beatles Monthly was in a section for National Treasures in the British Library down in London.
It was positioned next to the Magna Carta !!
That was the first and last time I lent my cousin anything ever again.
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The next time I saw the Number 1 edition of Beatles Monthly was in a section for National Treasures in the British Library down in London.
It was positioned next to the Magna Carta !!
That was the first and last time I lent my cousin anything ever again.
I should think so! What a place to dump an old magazine! _))*
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Rare Beatles concert poster from North Wales tour put up for auction by folk singer Mary Hopkin
The Fab Four toured North Wales in 1963 as they were on the cusp of super-stardom.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/rare-beatles-concert-poster-north-13016390 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/rare-beatles-concert-poster-north-13016390)
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I wonder how much this rare poster of another event a few weeks later is now worth?
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A rare Beatles publicity poster ( Above ) from the time the Fab Four came to Llandudno has sold for £28,000 – seven times its estimated value.
The poster, advertising The Beatles concert at The Odeon in Llandudno in 1963, was snapped up by a mystery buyer in San Francisco. refDP
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A rare Beatles publicity poster ( Above ) from the time the Fab Four came to Llandudno has sold for £28,000 – seven times its estimated value.
The poster, advertising The Beatles concert at The Odeon in Llandudno in 1963, was snapped up by a mystery buyer in San Francisco. refDP
Mine is rather more reasonable (albeit its a reproduction):
https://www.davidroberts-photography.co.uk/collections/let-s-go-retro/products/beatles-in-llandudno (https://www.davidroberts-photography.co.uk/collections/let-s-go-retro/products/beatles-in-llandudno)
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Hi,
Just thought this might be an interesting addition to the thread. This photo was taken when the Beatles appeared at the Odeon, LLandudno. (before Ringo joined)
Can anyone identify all the people in it?
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I have got two names, if it helps. D)
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Yes please Bri. I obviously have Paul/John/Pete and George I thought the other two where local, to Llandudno, lads
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Sorry but I only got Paul and John.
Which ones are George and Pete?
Do you think one of the others might be Billy J Kramer?
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Hillwalker, Ringo joined the band in 1962 and prior to that Pete Best and a succession of others were drummers for the group. Isn't that Ringo's photo in the top left of the bill board poster.
I can't recognise Ringo in the photo though and can only make out John, Paul and a young George Harrison although there is someone who looks like Billy J Kramer there.
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Thanks Hugo
Pete Best was the drummer certainly in 1961, but it appears Ringo was the drummer at the time of the Odeon appearance in '62. and you are correct in identifying Billy J Kramer
I should have done more investigation myself as since my innocent post from a photo from my youth I have found the links below. Amazing that the cast list for the week is so diverse.
Llandudno was buzzing then and a great era to live through. I was going to ask why it cannot stage shows like this now and then realised Access all Erias in Colwyn Bay is doing a good job for today's youngsters.
https://www.beatlesbible.com/1961/08/13/live-casbah-coffee-club-liverpool-13/ (https://www.beatlesbible.com/1961/08/13/live-casbah-coffee-club-liverpool-13/)
https://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/08/13/live-odeon-cinema-llandudno-2/ (https://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/08/13/live-odeon-cinema-llandudno-2/)
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/beatles-llandudno-50-years-fab-5730910 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/beatles-llandudno-50-years-fab-5730910)
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I have to correct myself :rage:
The year was obviously 1963 Not 1962 so Ringo was definitely the drummer at this time and as SteveH posted the earlier original poster being sold by Mary Hopkins note the entrance fees
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Hillwalker, Ringo joined the band in 1962 and prior to that Pete Best and a succession of others were drummers for the group. Isn't that Ringo's photo in the top left of the bill board poster.
I can't recognise Ringo in the photo though and can only make out John, Paul and a young George Harrison although there is someone who looks like Billy J Kramer there.
Which one's George?
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I think that George is the 3rd from the left and standing next to John. I remember going to see the Beatles at the Odean but the thing that I can remember most about the evening is the teenage girls screaming, it was awful as you couldn't hear the music properly because of the racket going on all around you.
There were some good acts in the Pier Pavilion too and a gang of us would go there when the groups were on. Good old days!
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I think that George is the 3rd from the left and standing next to John.
Sorry Hugo, I don't agree. Especially with that 'barnet'!
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Try googling images of the other "stars" on that poster and try comparing the pics! ... I reckon the four with the white collars (i.e. not Paul and John) are the Dakotas.
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I think that George is the 3rd from the left and standing next to John.
Sorry Hugo, I don't agree. Especially with that 'barnet'!
You could well be correct SDQ, have a look at these photos and see if you can guess who they are?
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It was the ears and the barnet that made me think it was George but on reflection by 1963 the Beatles had developed an image and they all had "Beatle" haircuts then so on reflection I think that DVT may be correct as there was a member of the Dakotas group that still had a barnet like the one in the picture
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Probably Elkie Brookes' older brother.
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Bit of info.
Brian Epstein also successfully managed Gerry and the Pacemakers, Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas (who had four hits with Lennon–McCartney songs), the Fourmost (Lennon wrote their first two singles), the Cyrkle (Epstein's first American group), and Cilla Black (who was Epstein's only female artist), as well as Tommy Quickly, He sent his roster of artists on "package tours" around the UK, a common practice at the time. This involved short sets by each act, alternating with a compère or a comedian
Epstein's company NEMS booked the Beatles' concerts, and it also presented groups as an opening act. It accrued money as promoter, booking agent, and manager for all concerts.
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The one next to Paul looks a bit like Sam Leach - but is perhaps too young on reflection.
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I have another pic from the same time. Same crowd.
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What my Uncle Mike is doing with the Beatles god only knows....!
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I'm astounded anyone can think George is in that picture!!! Get some glasses people and a knowledge of history!!!!!
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I'm glad that someone has a knowledge of history Pebbles, perhaps you would be kind enough to tell us who they all are as it would be interesting to know.
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Funny they never taught the Beatles in my history class! Although not sure I understand your comment as George was certainly a member of the Beatles at that time.
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oooh if you guys are going to be snotty about it...! I was only saying it is surely obvious to anyone who would recognise john and paul to know what the heck george looked like back then. I find it amazing that people think George is in that photo. And no, i can't name the others in the picture, i just know that of the beatles only john and paul are in that picture. Nope, they don't teach beatles in history class so i guess you can use that excuse for ignorance and being mean in replies ;)
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Although not sure I understand your comment as George was certainly a member of the Beatles at that time.
Yes he was. But he is not in that photo. So i'm not sure why you don't understand my comment?!
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Although not sure I understand your comment as George was certainly a member of the Beatles at that time.
Yes he was. But he is not in that photo. So i'm not sure why you don't understand my comment?!
Because you already said about needing glasses, what has the knowing history part got to do with it?
I assumed you meant something like "George didn't even join the Beatles until 2 years after this was taken"
or "George was ill for that tour and had a replacement" mistaking someone is hardly not knowing history!
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Not knowing history is people thinking George is in that photo - that is what i meant, and it was quite clearly what i meant, twist it if you like ;)
Knowing history is knowing what George looked like! It's what i meant, not carrying on with trhis argument, got to feed my baby his tea ;)
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So a blind person can never know history? L0L
I'm just winding you up now ;)
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I don't think anyone is being snotty Pebbles, it was you that implied that people who thought that George was in that photo should get some glasses and a knowledge of history.
That would presume that you know what you are talking about, but obviously I have presumed incorrectly.
I was at the concert in 1963 and know that they had the "Beatle " hairstyle then but didn't know when the photo was taken. It could have been earlier for all I know, and George did have a similar hairstyle earlier on as you can see in the other photos.
As a point of interest it would be nice to know who they all are in that photo, perhaps the person who posted the photo knows. As for knowing what George looked like, people can change their appearance
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back from his tea now -
That would presume that you know what you are talking about, but obviously I have presumed incorrectly.
As for knowing what George looked like, people can change their appearance
please don't accuse me of not knowing what i'm talking about. I take that very personally.
So you took from me knowing 100% that george was not in that photo, as me not knowing that george (and all of them) used to not have a beatles hair cut???!!!!! Please don't assume such ignorance. If i have to state my fan card, i've seen Paul McCartney in concert 20 times, i've met him, met yoko, met sean and julian, have all of georges solo records too, and know full well his looks of the 50s and 60s, and i know he is not in that photo! ;) ;D
And you say people can change their appearance? Yes, but they can't change their face!!! (Or couldn't when this picture was taken.. a good plastic surgeon nowadays maybe) >>> D) ;D
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can't resist one more post after having my George knowledge doubted by Hugo ;)
The picture you posted of George was outside his house at Upton Green, and here's me in the same spot as that photo in 2007, so you see i DO know George didn't have a beatles haircut (gasp) and had a very sexy looking quiff :P I'm so dedicated to the cause (what do you mean geeky?!) that i trail round liverpool going to all the sites and houses doing photos like this one (albeit without a green sploge on my face!)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/imperialdrag96/01a_meandgeorge_uptongreen_shrunk___zpsnlvtxewb.jpg)
(But as for the other names of the photo in question on the other page, i don't know, just know it's not George. I'll try and find out the others if that helps!)
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i asked on a beatles forum i'm on, showing them the picture - their reply was this
I'm pretty sure that is John & Paul with the Dakotas,who were Mike Maxfield, Ray Jones, Robin MacDonald and Tony Mansfield. I couldn't tell you who were who though out of the Dakotas.
Any updates i'll let you know!
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Thanks Pebbles $good$
I was reading about George recently and it was a very interesting read, so sad that he died so young
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My Uncle Mike wasn't in the Dakotas. He's in both group shots though :-X
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Thanks Pebbles $good$
I was reading about George recently and it was a very interesting read, so sad that he died so young
No worries Hugo - sorry if i came barging in all guns blazing, i have a very time consuming 11 month old son so i only get short bursts online and maybe sometimes my sleep deprivation and diff sense of humour make for a strange post ;D
And yes, it was so sad losing George, i sometimes wonder what he'd think of the current state of the world.
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No problem Pebbles and no offence taken by me. I can understand your passion for the Beatles and you were so lucky to have been able to see them so often.
I'm sure that George wouldn't approve of how things have gone on in the world now and I often think of the words of John Lennon's song "Imagine" and wish that we could all learn from the sentiments of that song.
You'll get more days of tiredness and sleep deprivation with your son but in the end it'll be worth it when you look back on it and our parents must have gone through it all before.
Good luck for the future and it's good to read your posts when you have time to do them. $good$
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Not sure if this was mentioned on here earlier but Mary Hopkin recently sold her Beatles in Llandudno poster from 1963 for £28,000. Estimate was £4-£8,000 at Roger Jones.
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The Person in Hillwalkers Photograph second from left is Richard Humphrys he lived in Victoria Drive, Llandudno Junction. Richard was in a local group but I can't remember what they were called, the other three in the photograph were fellow bandmembers and if you look closely will see they are in the same outfits. The group appeared earlier on in the evening before Billy J and The Beatles.
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Meleri, I remember Richard Humphries and where he lived in the Junction.
I think he sadly died at an early age following a motor accident.
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Yes it was very sad Bri, I had heard he had passed away around 1986 so he would only have been 39 no age at all, but I didn't know it was a motor accident.
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Yes, very sad.
A motor accident and the A55 immediately came to my mind when his name was first mentioned.
Again as a young twelve year old, I can remember seeing a postcard advert in the window of the old newsagents by the Junction Crosville Club during the early sixties advertising a second hand game of Totopoly and when I visited the house on my bike at the top of Victoria Drive, I met Richard's parents.
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Back to the Beatles...
My wife dines out on recalling being at the Llandudno concert as a 13-year-old and screaming along with the rest of the fans but didn't know who was who but screamed out "Paul". An equally youthful girl in front of her turned round aggressively and said "shut up, he's mine..."
I have a brilliant audiobook entitled 'Tune in' by Mark Lewisohn chronicling the Beatles early years. A must for any fan.
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Richard did die in a motor accident on the Rhuallt Hill. I forget the name of his band but the word Blue was in in it somewhere. Another local group at the time were called The Panzies!! and practised in the old Ferry Hotel in Tal Y Cafn, I only remember one of this band called Daffydd Williams, he was the singer. They did quite well and appeared on the same bill as Cream at the Twisted Wheel in Manchester. They did a few gigs in London and it was rumoured that one of The Who entourage gave them a song for their use, they changed their name to This Love and then they broke up.
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SISTERS said hello, goodbye to a house in Llandudno that once played host to the Beatles.
The Beatles came to Doris Hague’s house, on 33 Bryniau Road for tea, 56 years ago.
This August, Lisa Magon and her sister Cathy Mills - who are from America - paid a visit to that house which they are now selling.
Cont....... https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/17894845.hello-goodbye-american-family-sell-llandudno-house-played-host-beatles/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/17894845.hello-goodbye-american-family-sell-llandudno-house-played-host-beatles/)
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Throwback photos show The Beatles visiting Bangor 55 years ago
It's been 55 years since The Beatles visited Bangor - a trip that came to a sudden end following tragic news
cont / photos https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/gallery/throwback-photos-show-beatles-visiting-24834904
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This takes me back as I remember going to the railway station in Colwyn Bay to see them on the train to Bangor. This was successful as the party could be seen clearly in one carriage. It was a surprise to see them all going by train, including the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Yes, Brian Epstein's death was announced on 27 August that year. That hit Beatles' fans hard as he played such an important part in their success. He was also a fellow Scouser, albeit quite a posh one.