What's Llandudno Like Right Now?

[DaveR]

I saw in the Daily Post how a Llandudno Restauranteur is apparently being forced to sell up after losing the appeal over upvc windows. Odd really, when you consider how her property has been listed with St. Davids for 2 years at least:
http://www.stdavidsproperty.com/asp/detail.asp?l=10&p=469&o=13

[Nemesis]

True Dave-- I had noticed that!

Two windows now completely blown out of the Clarence-- frames included and the slates are rapidly sliding down the old cobblers shop in Bodhyfrid Rd. It is becoming a public danger never mind an eyesore.

[Yorkie]

I saw in the Daily Post how a Llandudno Restauranteur is apparently being forced to sell up after losing the appeal over upvc windows. Odd really, when you consider how her property has been listed with St. Davids for 2 years at least:
http://www.stdavidsproperty.com/asp/detail.asp?l=10&p=469&o=13

I would think that there is a case against the window installers.  They should have been aware of local rules and regulations and probably should have, as the experts, given advice to the property owners.  Likewise, maybe CCBC should have circulated information to such companies particularly as many properties in the town could come within the scope of the regulations.  I would certainly get an opinion if I was affected.
 ZXZ

[DaveR]

CCBC does issue a leaflet about properties in Conservation areas, a friend of mine received one.

[Yorkie]

CCBC does issue a leaflet about properties in Conservation areas, a friend of mine received one.

I think some of the windows affected we're replaced some years ago.  I wonder when the leaflets started going out?   And was the leaflet specific enough to warn property owners about choice of materials and style for important parts of the facade?

[DaveR]

Most of central Llandudno has been a Conservation Area since 1976, so I doubt the windows were installed before then. Surely you'd check something like that before buying a property?

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=515&doc=20224&Language=1

[Yorkie]

Most of central Llandudno has been a Conservation Area since 1976, so I doubt the windows were installed before then. Surely you'd check something like that before buying a property?

http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=515&doc=20224&Language=1

I would actually expect my Solicitor to advise me after completing the Local Authority searches. 

But what about those poor folk who bought a property after the previous owner had replaced them?

With all the problems this Community has, it surprises me that this should be a matter that CCBC have chosen to major on.   The mind boggles.

[majormellons]

I saw in the Daily Post how a Llandudno Restauranteur is apparently being forced to sell up after losing the appeal over upvc windows. Odd really, when you consider how her property has been listed with St. Davids for 2 years at least:
http://www.stdavidsproperty.com/asp/detail.asp?l=10&p=469&o=13

I would think that there is a case against the window installers.  They should have been aware of local rules and regulations and probably should have, as the experts, given advice to the property owners.  Likewise, maybe CCBC should have circulated information to such companies particularly as many properties in the town could come within the scope of the regulations.  I would certainly get an opinion if I was affected.
 ZXZ

What rubbish. It's not up to anybody apart from the home/business owner to ensure that any work is line with planning.

[Ian]

What rubbish. It's not up to anybody apart from the home/business owner to ensure that any work is line with planning.

While that may be accurate many companies include obtaining 'any necessary permissions' for a customer in their price, and some older folk or vulnerable groups could fall foul of this sort of thing.

[Yorkie]

An excellent point Ian.  Whilst "ignorance of the Law" is no defence, I don't know anybody who knows or understands everything about planning laws, or any other of the millions of laws, rules and regulations that affect us.  Changes are going on all the time.    ££$

[Jack]

Is it true that the Council/other public bodies actually gave grants for some of these windows in the first place and is a perfect example of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing?

[Yorkie]

Is it true that the Council/other public bodies actually gave grants for some of these windows in the first place and is a perfect example of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing?

If such is the case then it is hard to understand how any Grant was either approved, or paid out!

it may be worthwhile for all the owners of the affected properties to get together and get some legal help, as something fishy seems to be going on and it stinks to high Heaven.   :rage

Any Council official got ny ideas as to who they could use to get bespoke wooden sash windows.   Very expensive ones at that I'm sure.   

[Cambrian]

From my reading of the issue it seems more complicated than simply the conservation area.  Altering a listed building is a serious matter and as Yorkie has said, solicitors should have advised their clients on purchase. The other little matter is the question of all those folk who have quietly got on and complied with the rules over the years.

[DaveR]

Don't think I've ever seen so much water on Bodafon Fields as there is this morning.

[Nemesis]

Drove up to Rhyl and back yesterday (Matalan-- it's time we had one !) and alot of the coast roads were badly flooded.

re windows:- we live in a listed building and therefore have to suffer the draughty old original windows. When we bought the place many moons ago we looked into replacing them. No way-- even then we were told that if we put the wrong ones in they would have to come back out. Plastic was completely out and Heritage hardwood sash windows were way beyond reason. We also have to gain permission from Mostyns to change any exterior paint colours. BUT-- we knew when we bought the place and haven't tried to flout the rules.