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Title: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:04:44 pm
A section of the Forum in which you can add in your favourite pictures of Llandudno. As we all know, I take photos of Llandudno on a daily basis, so will have lots to add. Everyone else is welcome to add in their own photos - if you've not added a photo before, then the instructions are here:

http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=faq (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=faq)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:08:45 pm
I've always liked this shot of the Headlands Hotel. Now, of course, it cant be replicated as the sign was damaged in the gales earlier this year and never fixed:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/31916072_9b5a1c9330_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/31916072/)
Headlands Hotel, Llandudno, North Wales (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/31916072/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:14:39 pm
A light dusting of snow on the Great Orme back in March 2006:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/107569555_f6c229a44c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/107569555/)
Winter in Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/107569555/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:16:52 pm
A glimpse of the Victorian houses on Church Walks:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/174451628_91674295f4_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/174451628/)
Glimpse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/174451628/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:19:25 pm
A colourful view of Happy Valley in the Summertime in 2006 - another view that can't be replicated as the Council no longer plant out the foreground area with bedding plants.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/207929142_97740a5142_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/207929142/)
Happy Valley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/207929142/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: hollins on September 11, 2011, 07:24:05 pm
A section of the Forum in which you can add in your favourite pictures of Llandudno. As we all know, I take photos of Llandudno on a daily basis, so will have lots to add. Everyone else is welcome to add in their own photos
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=faq (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=faq)

What a great idea for the forum DaveR but I'm not sure I would ever dare put one of my photos along side yours just like I could never post one in the photography section!
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:28:31 pm
A section of the Forum in which you can add in your favourite pictures of Llandudno. As we all know, I take photos of Llandudno on a daily basis, so will have lots to add. Everyone else is welcome to add in their own photos
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=faq (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=faq)

What a great idea for the forum DaveR but I'm not sure I would ever dare put one of my photos along side yours just like I could never post one in the photography section!
Your photos are fine, feel free to add some.  $good$
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 11, 2011, 07:36:29 pm
Into the secret garden...a hole in the fence in the upper reaches of Haulfre Gardens:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/60/204951874_c07add1a42_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/204951874/)
Haulfre Gardens, Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/204951874/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: hollins on September 11, 2011, 07:37:11 pm
Okay DaveR, with your permission.....

Dream home!
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on September 11, 2011, 07:45:53 pm
When out today we saw a brand new, very modern, mixed material construction house on the road leading from Black Cat Corner to Bryn - y - Maen (B5381).  No camera with me so no photo.   Maybe DaveR will make a special trip?   ;D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: stephenprudence on September 11, 2011, 08:31:53 pm
It's my own photo, but it's my favourite taken on the Orme towards Penmaenmawr and Llanfairfechan.



Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 12, 2011, 08:46:53 pm
Always a good view, Stephen!

Here's one I took last December, just as the weak Winter sun was starting to fade away over the town. Taken from the lookout point by Rofft Place:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6089/6141448946_0d636ee5ca_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/6141448946/)
Winter Sun (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/6141448946/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Michael on September 12, 2011, 09:29:36 pm
Dave R's photo of the Headlands hotel. By coincedence I was on the inside of the single window at the top only about five or six weeks ago. I'm not too good on heights, I'm glad I did'nt look out.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Blodyn on September 20, 2011, 12:44:05 pm
I've got rather a lot of photos of West Shore sunsets.  Here are a couple of my favourites. 

Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: hollins on September 20, 2011, 04:28:42 pm
Really beautiful Blodyn.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: stephenprudence on September 20, 2011, 09:33:28 pm
Did anyone catch tonights sunset? it was really striking.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Blodyn on September 21, 2011, 02:58:04 pm
Thank you, Hollins.

Stephen, the sunset was quite dramatic, wasn't it!  I think that I might have missed the best of it but this is what I saw. 
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 21, 2011, 07:36:32 pm
Lovely colours, Blodyn.  $good$
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Pendragon on September 21, 2011, 11:11:09 pm
There's always fantastic photos on this forum.  This is one of my own favourites.  I love  DaveRs photo of the smallest house in Conwy too.  Oh and the one Fester took in the dark that time  _))*  :twoface:


Oops those are both Conwy  :roll:
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on September 22, 2011, 08:42:20 am
Would that building have been a Lodge to the house at the end of the driveway at one time? It's a shame it is steadily falling down.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Blodyn on September 22, 2011, 09:41:26 am
That's a lovely photo, Pendragon, very atmospheric. 
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Pendragon on September 22, 2011, 10:52:02 am
Would that building have been a Lodge to the house at the end of the driveway at one time? It's a shame it is steadily falling down.
Yes DaveR its on the pass.  I just love the red of the tiles against the grey crumbling walls (I sound like that voice over guy for the blind) lol
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Cordyline on November 03, 2012, 09:59:20 pm
The house name; Feral Ridge is quite novel
 Marine Drive Great Orme
taken in October

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/cogla/Deganwy2012202_zps8596409c.jpg)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: wjones74 on December 23, 2012, 05:56:42 pm
Few recent pics :)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on December 24, 2012, 09:04:05 am
 $cool$
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on December 24, 2012, 01:35:52 pm
The new sign was unveiled a year after the issue of adding a Welsh phrase to its face was discussed at Llandudno Town Council, after it became clear that the old sign was in need of repairs.   Cllr Brian Bertola, chair of the town council’s decorative lighting committee, said the new sign was “in keeping” with the importance of the Welsh language to the town.   He added: “We’re so pleased that a very important sign has been improved and returned.”
Cllr Ann Yates, a representative of Penrhyn ward, added: “It’ll be welcoming the tourists in Welsh and English - I’m pleased about it.”

Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on December 24, 2012, 01:38:23 pm
...and very good it looks too.  $good$
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: GR on December 24, 2012, 04:05:43 pm
My contribution  ZXZ, Happy Christmas, Nadolig Llawen.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on December 24, 2012, 06:34:45 pm
And an extra special one of Llandudno Town Hall for Wrex and all his followers, just to show the Council DO know where to spend the money!     :D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 24, 2012, 06:58:31 pm
The new sign does look very impressive!

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/penrhynpigeons/P1000832.jpg)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 03, 2013, 10:57:57 pm
Going through my mothers house back in Coventry we have found some pics of holidays back in 1965 / 66 with me and my parents in them, I do not have a scanner so apologies for the quality!
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 03, 2013, 11:03:35 pm
Me on the electric Dodgem boats, I loved them!
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on December 04, 2013, 09:03:43 am
One case where electricity and water did mix to give folk enjoyment!   :D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DaveR on December 04, 2013, 09:13:11 am
Some great photos, ME. Is the second photo down the Tearooms at Pyllau Farm on the Orme?
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 04, 2013, 09:59:05 am
One case where electricity and water did mix to give folk enjoyment!   :D

Also kettles qualify!  ;D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 04, 2013, 10:03:52 am
Some great photos, ME. Is the second photo down the Tearooms at Pyllau Farm on the Orme?

Thanks Dave, yes, that is the tearooms you mention. I was about 9 / 10 in these pics, strangely I can't remember the tram on it's side, I assume the wind blew it over?  Also good to see a large boat at the end of the pier and look at all the sand on the beach! Happy days!  ;D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: hollins on December 04, 2013, 07:14:56 pm
I loved your photos ME. Looks like even then you were keen on driving!
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 04, 2013, 07:26:03 pm
Thanks Hollins, yes I've always loved driving!  ^*^0
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 14, 2015, 08:12:10 am
I have just seen this great pic on a Facebook group.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: DVT on March 14, 2015, 10:36:39 am
What a great picture - late 1950's or possibly very early 1960's.

I know modern cars are generally bigger but has the street been made narrower since then, or rather the pavements made wider? - you could get five cars side by side in that pic.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2015, 11:14:01 am
Superb pic.

Quote
know modern cars are generally bigger but has the street been made narrower since then, or rather the pavements made wider? - you could get five cars side by side in that pic.

I suspect it's that they didn't have the road markings we now have. The parking bay lines we now have do tend to skew the perception of the overall size of the road.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Yorkie on March 14, 2015, 12:47:47 pm
I think the white car partially over the wrong side of the road gives a false perspective.  Also it may have bern taken with a wide angle lens.   ZXZ
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: snowcap on March 15, 2015, 08:34:06 pm
would that white car be the Hillman Hunter by any chance?
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on March 15, 2015, 10:20:43 pm
It might be, but it looks more rounded to me and more like the Hillman Minx.       My old friend David Rawling had one and we were driving down Mostyn Street in it when Dave was overtaken by a wheel that went past us quite quickly.  We wondered who had lost it but found out when we stopped and his car suddenly tilted to one side.

 ^*^0      :-[
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Ian on March 16, 2015, 08:54:59 am
 _))* _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: pebbles on April 11, 2015, 01:07:27 am
Absolutely loved seeing your old photos Merddin Emrys - thank you!  :)  $good$

I wish i could find the one of my mum sat by the rabbit statue in the 50s... that set a precedent for me to be obsessed with having pics with it myself growing up!

As for other LL pics, i've plenty i've taken.. i'll have a rummage through what i already have uploaded from a forum i used to be on a few years ago - not uploaded/shared much for a while (still wish one day i could set up a proper pro photography sales thingy with a  lot of my stuff, always doubt i'm good enough mind and can never face the rejection heheh!!!)





edited to add some one - i logged in to my old photobucket account and had a look through for any of LL (and Conwy) i'd taken....  $walesflag$

So here's a tiny selection of mine...  :o

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_westshore2006.jpg)


(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_llandudnopier.jpg)


(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_marinedrivedaytime.jpg)


(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_marinedrivesunset.jpg)



(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_LLbaypuffin.jpg)



(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_LLbaycaves.jpg)



(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_con09.jpg)



(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_bea09.jpg)




(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ETT_cabin_2337_copyrightETT.jpg)



not sure why i made these 2 uploads slightly bigger - i always used to put my pics on the old forum i was on on a set size so i don't know! Anyway...
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/copyrightETT_july2013conw___4183.jpg)


(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/_copyrightETT_dec12_concasbdayeve_ETT.jpg)



ok, that's a quick selection... hope you like them!

Please don't repost them elsewhere - sounds daft seeing as i've shard them on here but i don't like to spread my pics around online!





oh and here's my kitchen wall at home!

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/ett_kitchenwall_2013.jpg)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: pebbles on April 11, 2015, 01:32:26 am
ps - i know i'm not a regular poster so i hope it was ok to share some i've taken above..  $thanx$



Absolutely loved seeing your old photos Merddin Emrys - thank you!  :)  $good$

I wish i could find the one of my mum sat by the rabbit statue in the 50s... that set a precedent for me to be obsessed with having pics with it myself growing up!


I have this one online of a "then and now" of me, face covered cos i was shy online - and still am... but thught i'd share cos well you get the jist  $thanx$ $good$

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/rabbitme__.jpg)



(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/_conwy_thenandnow__.jpg)




meant to also post this one of mine in with the ones in my previous post, somehow it missed.. but here it is, better 5 minutes late than never eh..!
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j70/ett_photography/ETT2010/orme_ett.jpg)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: pebbles on April 11, 2015, 03:57:36 am
edited to add some one - i logged in to my old photobucket account and had a look through for any of LL (and Conwy) i'd taken....  $walesflag$

"some one"??!!! Boy i'm terrible with typo's aren't i... That should obviously just read "some"!!!
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 11, 2015, 07:45:35 am
Pebbles, some great pics there!  $cool$
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2015, 07:58:41 am
Very nice, Pebbles. I particularly liked the long exposure night shots. Very good. Thanks for sharing them with us.  If I could make one suggestion it would be to use some form of straightening tool.  One or two have a slightly 'off-level' horizon which is easy to fix in most photo tweaking apps. But that's only a minor thing.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: pebbles on April 11, 2015, 01:52:00 pm
Very nice, Pebbles. I particularly liked the long exposure night shots. Very good. Thanks for sharing them with us.  If I could make one suggestion it would be to use some form of straightening tool.  One or two have a slightly 'off-level' horizon which is easy to fix in most photo tweaking apps. But that's only a minor thing.


2 from 2005 that i posted do ever so slightly, sorry i didn't fix it and it ruined your viewing. I haven't made that mistake since 2005 but good to see there's a reason why i haven't bothered to try and sell them cos yes people pick up on stuff like that!!! :(


(sorry, i know that reads angry... it's just i can't believe when i posted that i get shy about sharing pics that you pick up that 2 have a ever so slightly and i mean only slightly off horizon... when i tried to fix it at the time the rotate made it too far the other way, so hey i figure it's a nice view, there's place in Manchester that has 20 of mine them on their wall - my one and only sale that i ever tried, and they don't mind including the first one i posted above! I've posted over a hundred on a forum (over the years) full of professional photographers who sell their work and are tons better than me, none of them ever called me on slightly wonky horizons as they are the only 2 pictures ever done with it anyway!)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 11, 2015, 02:23:29 pm
Well I for one enjoyed viewing them, please post some more! ☺ I am sure that Ian did too and was just making a constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2015, 02:55:40 pm
Quote
i can't believe when i posted that i get shy about sharing pics that you pick up that 2 have a ever so slightly and i mean only slightly off horizon...it ruined your viewing

I'm really sorry if I upset you, P. I did enjoy the pics, but with horizons if they're even slightly out of kilter they show up in the image rather glaringly, with the frame being so square. I was trying to be helpful, as it took me a long time when I was doing pics to realise that taking a lot of time to get them exactly level made a huge amount of difference.  Like you, I wasn't happy when folk pointed it out, but I'm glad they did, now, since it's made a lot of difference to my photos.  The shots are excellent in the main. A little levelling would make them perfect. And it didn't 'ruin my viewing'; far from it.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: pebbles on April 11, 2015, 03:13:35 pm


I'm really sorry if I upset you, P. I did enjoy the pics, but with horizons if they're even slightly out of kilter they show up in the image rather glaringly, with the frame being so square. I was trying to be helpful, as it took me a long time when I was doing pics to realise that taking a lot of time to get them exactly level made a huge amount of difference.  Like you, I wasn't happy when folk pointed it out, but I'm glad they did, now, since it's made a lot of difference to my photos.  The shots are excellent in the main. A little levelling would make them perfect. And it didn't 'ruin my viewing'; far from it.

yeah ok i'll calm down BUT as i said i have not took a single picture with a wonky horizon in about 10 years!!! So i don't need to "learn" how to fix it..
Just cos i didn't bother to retweek the mini tiny version i put on a forum about 8 years ago and made the mistake of sharing that old link on here... well!


 ;)

(i accept the marine drive sunset is too wonky, it bugs me so i don't mind that one bugging you!!) (But like i said, it's an old link to a tiny version of a 10 year old photo, and getting straight horizons is something i take seriously ever since 2006! I've never done it!)
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: spotty dog on September 12, 2019, 01:11:47 pm
This one's for Hugo should bring back some memories
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 12, 2019, 02:42:03 pm
It does bring back a lot of memories Spotty Dog and all of the memories are good apart from the time SDQ opened the valves on a tide in full flo.     I bet my mate Simon will always remember that day!

Just in case my memory is playing tricks, was the photo taken before or after the sea defence of 1993 was built?          ;D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: spotty dog on September 12, 2019, 03:29:01 pm
I was talking to an old waterboard engineer the other day ,and he was telling me about the stream that ran from Jacksons lane to west shore.ihe was wondering where it runs now the sand has covered the outlet pipe. The same applies to the cycle path in Deganwy three or more pipes used to drain station road with flap valves on to shut them at high tide
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 12, 2019, 04:08:07 pm
I remember that stream very well, it ran on the opposite side to the farm and then through the fields to the top of Builder Street.   When the estate was built it went in concrete pipes under Conway Road and the estate and then I think it ran along the railway track towards Deganwy
Where about is the outlet pipe that the sand has covered?
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: norman08 on September 12, 2019, 08:04:46 pm
Did you ever walk through the pipe to Craig y don ,talking to someone last week about that , used to hear the water gushing through on Cwm road .
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 12, 2019, 09:19:46 pm
I never went in those pipes at all,  I remember the one at Conway Road more clearly but didn't even go into it.

I don't know if you can remember Norman but years ago Builder street came to an end at the ditch and a number of large wooden railway sleepers formed a bridge across it and you crossed over it to get to Marian Road.
At the time Builder Street West was an unmade cinder track road that went to a dead end as far as the undertaker's place or the laundry
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: norman08 on September 12, 2019, 09:23:30 pm
I can still smell the stink in the ditch ,trying to cross it and falling in uck 😂
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: spotty dog on September 12, 2019, 09:42:49 pm
Have spoken to my friend apparently they joined it to the long outfall pipe that is now the storm water outlet , but it use to exit opposite Gogerth Abbey hotel .he said it had a perch on the end.as regards north shore the prom drains exit beneath the stones! ,I will have a pint with him sometime to get some more information about  West Shore
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 12, 2019, 10:08:17 pm
I remember that perch and my mother told me never to go near it as there was quicksand there.  She was told that by her parents who lived nearby in Penmorfa Cottages
I don't know if she was trying to frighten me from going there but I did go there once or twice.  From what I remember there was a deep hole in the sand and it never filled in even after the tide came in.  I could never understand that.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Cambrian on September 13, 2019, 08:39:27 am
The stream has a complicated history.  Originally it was an agricultural drain for draining the fields and could flow in each direction, the northern outlet is known as the Washington Outfall and is marked by Trinity House.  As the town developed, the fields disappeared and the drain became, by default, a surface water drainage ditch with various surface water sewers discharging into it.

After the War, development of Tre Creuddyn estate meant sections needed to be culverted.  At some stage, the UDC asked the Gwynedd River Board to "adopt" ditch as a scheduled "main river".  This meant that grants became available for the culverting.
As a "main river" it was given a name = The Afon Creuddyn - and maintenance of the outfalls was the responsibility. The final bit of culverting was around 1970/71 and involved works under the railway near the signal box.

In 1974 the sewerage undertaking (UDC) and the Afon Creuddyn were vested in one body, the Welsh National Water Development Authority.  As the Afon Creuddyn was by now in effect a trunk surface water sewer with no land drainage component, Welsh Water decided to "demain" the Creuddyn and simultaneously adopt it as a public surface water sewer.

Nowadays the flow is intercepted at West Shore and pumped to Sarn y Mynach for treatment along with the foul flows.  The old outfall at West Shore is used as an emergency overflow and subject to consent by NRW.

A section beyond the Links towards Craig y Don was significantly altered when Clarence Cresecent was built in the 1980s but a diverted open section is hidden in the bushes fronting Cae Clyd.  A tank in the undergrowth at the entrance to Cae Clyd seems to mark a junction between the Afon Creuddyn and the Washington system.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Ian on September 13, 2019, 08:55:43 am
I remember that perch and my mother told me never to go near it as there was quicksand there. 

The West coast of the UK has - I believe - more dangerous quicksand areas than almost anywhere in the world. Blackpool is particularly notorious, but the Dee estuary on the Wirral side can also be very dangerous for those making the crossing to the Hilbre Islands.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 13, 2019, 11:17:24 am
Thanks for posting that info Cambrian, I found it very interesting especially as I can remember the ditch before it was culverted.   The field opposite the farm had Donkeys in it but was prone to flooding at times

I wonder if you know the answer to this as it may fit in with the Afon Creuddyn by the railway signal box.     Some years ago I was looking at an 1899 O/S map of Llandudno and it showed the town laid out and developing.     
Clifton Road had been built but Maelgwyn Road had not.    The map showed a stream coming from the direction of the Great Orme and went straight behind the houses on the western side of Clifton Road.   Stepping stones were marked on the map about half way down the street and then the stream went in a curve and through the old Central School playing field and ended at the railway line at a point exactly opposite where the Afon Creuddyn was.
Do you know if the streams merged by any chance and was there a name for the stream that I saw on the O/S map?
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Cambrian on September 13, 2019, 04:37:36 pm
Hugo,  Yes, I had spotted that stream as well.  There are at least two streams coming from the Orme.  Another I am aware of runs roughly parallel to (Upper) Mostyn Street and used to be in a stone culvert. It entered the public sewerage system somewhere around the Carlton roundabout.

The one you refer to was probably replaced by a public sewer as the town developed and eventually discharged into Afon Creuddyn at some point - probably around the NE side of the Oval.  I have never come across it having a name.

With the construction of streets, buildings and paved areas, the old ditches were either absorbed into the public sewerage system or simply filled in. On a quiet day in Roumania Drive, it is possible to hear a stream entering the sewer.  This comes down from the Nantygamar hill and another branch runs down Fferm Bach Road and enters the Washington system at the back of the stone cottage in Queen's Road.

The flooding of the donkey field may have been due to the Washington Outfall being affected by high tide and/or backing up due to preceding heavy rainfall.

Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 13, 2019, 07:00:10 pm
Thanks very much for all that info Cambrian, it's fascinating learning about the development of the town.    The problems in the Donkey field were very similar to the north western part of Bodafon Farm near Ysgol Gogarth.    That section seems to have a lot of standing water at some times of the year.
Interestingly enough Ffynnon Sadwrn on the eastern side of the farm allegedly had a good supply of water until Mostyn Estates diverted some of the ditches and the supply of water to the well  dwindled away.   It may or may not be the reason for the ponding in Bodafon Farm or it could be just natural drainage from the higher slopes
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Cambrian on September 13, 2019, 07:40:18 pm
Good point Hugo.  If you look at the early OS maps on mapsnls, you will see a ditch running westwards from what is now Ysgol Gogarth.  It runs to the vicinity of the Links so that would be what was referred to by Mostyn as the "Agricultural Drain".  My guess would be that it intercepted subsoil drainage from the Nant y Gamar high ground.  I suspect it was filled in at some stage - possibly when the tramway was built - and there are references in UDC minutes to the downstream bit being piped through what is now the Roumania Drive/Rosebery Avenue area. This would tend to support your view about the ponding of the land at the junction of Colwyn Road and Nant y Gamar Road.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: norman08 on September 13, 2019, 07:53:58 pm
A while ago people were talking  about the water in Craig y don ,houses were having work done and they found out why their gardens had water in them , those drain outlets on the prom were covered over.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: spotty dog on September 14, 2019, 04:35:44 pm
Hi Hugo I lifted this photo from Facebook thought you might be interested. Perhaps you could put a date to it
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: spotty dog on September 14, 2019, 04:39:56 pm
Hi Hugo I lifted this photo from Facebook thought you might be able to put a date to it
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 14, 2019, 05:18:13 pm
I'll tell you twice then Spotty Dog     8)     1924   1924

In actual fact I have posted the photo on here a few times before.     My mother and Norman 08's father lived in the Penmorfa Cottages which were near to where the Penmorfa Hotel once was ( pre Anwyl days   :roll: :( )   but they were not affected by the flood as the cottages stood on higher ground
I remember my mother saying that sometimes the tides on the North Shore and the West Shore nearly met.     Now Llandudno UDC  did not build a sea defence there until 1952 ( I think)   which was strange with the area liable to flooding.
As for the sea defence of 1993 I'd rather not say anything about it     
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: spotty dog on September 14, 2019, 05:35:33 pm
Sorry about the duplication Hugo my father told of the meeting of the sea's ,we lived not far from your cottages, on the corner ofGloddaeth ave , although we moved away when I was very young.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2019, 05:42:09 pm
It's not an accident that in pre-industrial times the only habitations were on the Orme. The UK has been relentlessly expanding into flood plains and coastal areas for years.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 14, 2019, 05:47:28 pm
Don't worry about it Spotty Dog I've done a lot worse very recently but thankfully I didn't run out of time and was able to modify my posting.
Otherwise I'd have been begging for Ian's help to sort it all out      ;D


I've attached a photo of a flood in 1932 on the northern side of the town in Clonmel Street so you can see that what our parents were telling us was quite true

Another photo I've got is of the North Shore beach, now apart from the old plane can you notice anything different ?   
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: SteveH on September 14, 2019, 06:16:25 pm
I have not seen that photo before, was it a serious fire ?      and the plane  $good$    I wonder how much the car reg. is worth today ?
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: mull on September 14, 2019, 06:21:02 pm
West Shore water outlets.

When stopping at my parents about 1980 I can recall taking the dog out for a walk about midnight. This was along the front above the steps in the area opposite LLoyd Street West .There was a loud bang a yellow light started flashing and suddenly a large volume of water was discharged on to the beach from an outlet that was there at that time.
Would this be one of the streams mentioned earlier in this post ?

The stone breakwater is in this location now so is there another outlet for this water ?
I can recall in the early 1990s there was a large work area set up on the grassed area for a while.
 Was this in connection with the water works ?
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 14, 2019, 06:44:51 pm
I have not seen that photo before, was it a serious fire ?      and the plane  $good$    I wonder how much the car reg. is worth today ?


I'm not certain but could that fire be a steamer.?   I can remember that they made a lot of smoke in those days

Did you spot the difference in the photo between then and now Steve?      Must be the easiest one of my easy quiz questions      ;D
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: SteveH on September 14, 2019, 07:22:39 pm
Sorry two senior moments, never thought of a steamer, and after a bit of searching and measuring the pier, I saw the sand...... :-[
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: norman08 on September 14, 2019, 09:03:12 pm
John Jones who has the donkeys reminded me a few years ago about us playing football on the sand close to the pier in the late 50s early60s.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 14, 2019, 10:45:13 pm
Sorry two senior moments, never thought of a steamer, and after a bit of searching and measuring the pier, I saw the sand...... :-[


Well spotted Steve,  the sandy beach must still  be somewhere underneath all that quarry waste that is there now.     Llandudno is a beautiful resort that has been carefully developed over decades only for a small number of Councillors to destroy two beaches within a few years.

Just imagine that plane trying to land on the present North Shore beach now, it would certainly have a bumpy, or should I say a rocky landing
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Helig on September 15, 2019, 10:29:31 am
Just to say that my mother (b1923) used to speak about the two seas meeting in Gloddaeth Avenue. That was when she was young. She lived in St David's Place and the house had a cellar which used to fill with water at times as well.

Helig.
Title: Re: Your Favourite Photos of Llandudno
Post by: Hugo on September 15, 2019, 12:57:17 pm
I believe that a lot of properties with basements had problems with flooding and in fairly recent times too but their problems weren't caused by the sea coming over , it was more from the drains.
In fact when I was a teenager I was in a rush to get down the steps in the toilets at Bog Island and jumped the last 3 steps straight into about a foot of water      :o