Three Towns Forum
The Local => Times Past => Topic started by: DaveR on September 02, 2010, 10:45:29 am
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Off the top of my head :-
Avondale
Harrington?
Stanley
Tudno
Clock
Spanish Bar in the Empire ....
Any more?
HAH!!
The Royal Oak, where i used to work........jesus...what a bleedin pub that was, great atmosphere, but by god some of the fights in there!!
Ah - The Wyngarth and the Travellers Club. Oases in the black expanses!
Heddwch.
Mike.
Micox
Yes, the 'Travellers'. Along with the 'Rendezvous Room' (or similar),part of the 'Cresent Hotel' I think.
.....Such dens of iniquity!
Just wondering if anyone in here DID frequent the oak before it closed in the early 90's
anyone remember the steampacket? saturday nights were never complete without last orders here. also the rhoslan in west shore and although not strictly a pub .the basement bar in tiffanies
Not forgetting the Rhoslan on the West Shore. I remember before it was a pub it was a small private school.
What is Tiffanies now? in fact what most of these watering holes?
Llandudno Trust
I remember the Steampacket. I was too young to drink there though. I did go to the Rhoslan once or twice.
Tiffany wine bar was more my time - early eighties. It was definitely on the Friday/Saturday crawl including The Kings Head, Plumes (was that the old Tudno) and the Loaf.
Tiffs was owned by Ray Gardener He lived on Craigside and had a recording studio in his house. His son Simon had a shot at pop stardom but it didn't really happen (a bit of a push with his pic in Smash Hits and that was it I think). My band recorded there.
Tiffs was the first place I saw a video jukebox. They sold Tennants Extra I seem to remember (or not to be more accurate). Although it was a basement bar it did spill upstairs at the weekend. It was incredibly busy. I think it's just a coffee shop now. Not sure. Anyone know?
EggLondon
Hi the answer is beachcomber was downstairs bar at the northwestern hotel, now the castle hotel and the 007 club was down the side street between what was Vollams post office and the Palladuim (which is now wetherspoons)
NorthWalesCpl
The Tiffanys video juke box - those were the days eh? It really was a cracking place then, I couldn't wait to get home on leave and visit.
In the late 80s in Tiffaneys, it always seemed to be Dire Straights Money for nothing on a loop.
what about the gresham and the old pier hotel many days and nights spent in the latter.
Talking of the 007 club do you remember the car they had to advertise the place
Pobo
Come on...there must be SOMEONE here, that used to go into the Royal Oak?
I used to go to the Royal Oak for a couple of pints before starting work in Winter Gardens, I loved that place.
Mike Savoy
Loved it....mmm... another hard man on the forum....were you a with or without person?? Crash helmet I mean/
Without of course, my helmet was in Winter Gardens, for when we had the kick offs, a good time had by all I think.
Mike Savoy
I used to drink in the Pier when I worked on the Pier, nice little pub, never set foot in the Lounge though (if there was one that is) John the owner/manager used to make sure that his regulars always had a drink on the bar as soon as you walked in, you took your turn after the first one, I used to stand at the far end of the bar with a bloke (older) called Billy, he used to work in the Golden Goose, there was another man who looked after the top amusement arcade, but cant remember his name at the moment, he had a full bushy beard. God I must be getting old as I cant remember anyone's name! who am I again??
Mike Savoy
Mike i think it was richie but I cant remember his surname .
Remember the roman room
Pobo
Yes!! it was Ritchie.
I do remember the Roman room, do you remember Mandy's Triology?? Mandy is living here in Jersey, it was funny when we first come across each other, we were both looking at each other trying to remember where we knew each other from, in the end it came to me.
Do you remember Jacko? used to work the pier with me and Will, plus others, I can see their faces but not their names.
Mike Savoy
I do remember mandys trilogy and for some reason que serra serra comes to mind it was always being sung as i walked in they served the best carlsberg export in the roman room.
Do you remember rhytm machine down stairs in the dolphin and beryl who ran the cafe god it hurt when she caught you scrounging grub esp her apple turnovers
Pobo
Yes, I worked with Beryl in Winter Gardens as well, I do not have a clue how she managed to get a job as a club manager, she used to be more bother when the lads were trying to throw people out and Beryl would be shouting at them and trying to punch them, very funny looking at it now, but we all worried at the time, I know her husband has passed away, is she still with us?
Mike Savoy
The Steampacket was a great pub beacuse all of us girls could get served there when we only 13!!! ( I wouldn't tell my daughters that though) Tiffanys was where we went before going on to somewhere else, it was a bit more 'up market' than most other places and it didn't sell Merrydown for 15p.
Karen-Derek
My only memory of going to the Royal was one night I agreed to met a lad I was going out with and when I got there another lad (both shall remain nameless) I was also seeing at the same time, (I believe it was called two-timing,) he was in there too, well the both 'chucked' me so I never went there again...!
Karen-Derek
Oh we all remember the Spanish Bar (at the Empire) the first place anyone got their first taste of alcohol. First time not knowing what to ask for and ending up asking for a pint of beer, not knowing the subtle difference between bitter and lager, the girls drinking cider or ridiculous drinks like dubonnet and lemonade, no such things as alcopops!! When the police made the occasional raid everyone ran out throught he front of the hotel!!
Karen-Derek
The Rhoslan in West Shore was a nice traditional pub, had my first illegal drink there. Can't understand why there are no pubs in West shore, surely there's a need for one!
I remember going there on the day I was told I had passed my 11plus. We were told by the nuns to go and tell our parents and I remember going to the Rhoslan with someone (can't remember who unfortunately) and shouting the good news to their mum who was in an upstairs room!
Suepp
I went to Anabelles a few times; it was on three floors, with the ground floor just housing the entrance stairway. On the first floor there was a dance floor and bar with another dance floor above that, complete with circular balcony to look down on the floor below. Always pretty busy when I went there.
DaveR
hi, wasnt it called Bartons first?
NorthWalesCpl
Yes. That was in the late 80's, maybe?
DaveR
Going back to the comments on the Rhoslan, I remember working in Cabin Confectionary (the fudge and toffee factory) and we would go the Rhoslan for a few pints after work, we always had fudge, toffee and glucose stuck to our shoes from the factory floor and a dog in the pub used to have a great time eating it from the soles of our shoes !! I think the dog belonged to Percy Roberts (Robo's dad) a well known character from West Shore.
Karen-Derek
Anyone remember the Cock & Hen under the St Georges Hotel. It was a little disco venue with a dance floor the size of a postage stamp.
How about the Crieterion bar just east of the Kings Arms above the shops? It was re-fitted and became Flicks complete with cinema seats from the old Savoy.
Steve
Of course there was Speakeasy under the Imperial and for that matter the piano bar just round the corner, wasn't it called Ivories?
I remember the Cock & Hen with the tiny dance floor went to a party there once, and Flicks I'd forgotten about the seats from the old savoy. Also remember the Steampacket our haunt and the Royal Oak before going on to Winters of course.
Mollie
Isn't the Speakeasy still in buisiness? Wasn't Ivories where the old Viking bar used to be?
Anyone remember the Mexico bar in the Grand Hotel? There was also Cesar's Palace in the ballroom, but it wasn't a pub so not sure if I should include it here. The Dolphin bar was pretty popular which was in the same hotel.
Steve
The Dolphin bar was classic on a Sunday night, Gaz Gandy on the drums and a couple of the lads from the West Shore singing on the stage usually half naked.
Welsh1
I remember those days, certainly were classics. Much better that the billed caberet. The beer was pretty cheap as well. I think the half naked performers were mostly the Kings road mob.
Steve
Youv'e got a great memory, I too remember the mexico room and the dolphin. Wasn't it called the Stage Door as well at one time, we used to stand outside in the summer and listen to all the bands and half naked lot from kings road. Do you remember the lads jumping off the pier in the summer and climbing the rocks by the Grand just to jump in again?
Steve
Though the signs are still around the entrance, I think the Speakeasy closed in 2001.
The Stage Door - you're right Molly! I remember the lads jumping off the top of the huge slide and into the sea. Some of them should have got jobs as Hollywood stuntmen when they left school, especially Derick Lau - he'd always jump from the highest point.
Steve
Irish and Ronny Atherton would always be flying off the top of the slide before the attendants realised what they were doing, I was just a rock or pier jumper myself, none from the slide or from the top of the little shops like some did!
Welsh1
I suppose you could include clubs that are no longer in the town in this thread. The R.N.A. club, Gloddaeth St, The R.A.F. club Augusta St, the Royal Artillery Club, Mostyn St, and the Labour Club, Madoc St.
Steve
What was the buisness mans club above the nat west bank on mostyn street called.
Pobo
Can't remember the name, but I remember the entrance was on Lloyd St, behind some black gates, and up a flight of steps.
Steve
It was referred to as the County Club though I seem to remember its full title being the Llandudno and County Club.
There was a funny story about one elderly member who happened to be exiting the lift by the entrance just as an ambulance arrived to attend to another member who had suffered a suspected heart attack.
The old boy was a lovely man, a real gentleman in the true sense of the word called 'Old Griff' anyone who knew him, also knew that he walked with a Zimmer frame and had a speech impediment, it took quite a while to understand what he was saying. Despite him screaming at the ambulancemen, he was bundled into the back of the ambulance and taken to Llandudno Hospital before he could make himself understood. They had of course picked up the wrong man!
The Club was a real gentleman's retreat with leather chairs and two snooker tables plus bench seats all around the room. Ladies of course, were not permitted as was also the case with the Victoria Club in Craig Y Don.
Incidentally, the building is constructed around a steel girder frame so the external stonework is only decorative. I think there used to be a picture in the bank showing it halfway through construction, somewhere around the same time as the Town Hall.
Did it at one time have sleeping accomadation for members i seem to recall the manager of the old national milk bars a mr sharples would stay over after a few drinks.
Pobo
Hi, hubby has a story too about that place,Whilst he was working on redorating the bar lounge areas of the club, one afternoon after the last chap had left (so they thought) shouts were heard from stairwell below, the steward then realised that the old boy was having trouble letting himself out so he asked hubby to nip downstairs and let him out, on opening the door for him he felt an object touching his head and turned round and to his horror the old man was holding a revolver to it! hubby stuttered 'steady on now' to which the chap just laughed, tucked it back in his jacket and went on his way. On returning back upstairs with jelly legs he told the steward what had happened to which the steward replied 'oh he has always carriedthat around with him since the war but dont worry its never loaded' !!
NorthWalesCpl
The Royal Oak, had a good few pints there on a Friday and Saturday night before going to work at Winter Gardens, it was in the Oak that I tried my first pint of Newcastle Brown ale mixed half and half with bitter, very nice and strong.
MikeSavoy
Correction The Rhoslan wasnt a private school that was next door called Warley House.
I have a school photo if I new how to down/up load it and where.
Trevor
the north western,avondale,kingsarms,alex,harrington,tudno,sumners back bar,stanley,clock,american bar,ambassador lounge both above clock,carlton,london gresham,empire ,pier and parade.that was my saturday,a half in each and back down,a .good drink.but the one that that i remember the most was the stanley,you could leave for a pint in the clock and come back 30 mins later and find the place wrecked,fights broke out in seconds and any body who had a grudge with anyone would pile in.i do remember that they had three new juke boxes in two weeks at one time all had had chairs through them.the strangest place to drink must have been the old ta club behind the police station,you would be hanging out the upstairs window at 4pm on a sunday afternoon jeering at the police, pint in hand ,but it seems that the police could not enter the premise unless they had permission and a military policeman with them.as for membership i was a fully paid upmember at 15
Dwyforite
How about the alexandra
Do the Sunday steam trips count from the days of DRY Sundays.
The St Trilloo Etc. One of the reasons for so many clubs in Llandudno was so you could get a pint on Sunday
I remember it well. Straight from Church You had to fight your way on to get a trip. and stagger off at the end of yoursail to Anglsey.
Trevor
I remember the dry sundays, two pubs in Glan Conway that were pretty dead through the week suddenly got packed on Sundays, one was the Cross Keys, can't remember the other. Luckily we had the old rugby club on Mostyn Broadway a real dingy little place but a great atmosphere especially after games on saturdays. A few pints on a Sunday became a ritual, we even brought in board games like cluedo and monopoly I remember mates like Robin Holden, Jimmy Edwards, Davy Jones etc all propping up the bar on Sundays.
Karen-Derek
The Vale, Derek, but it may now be called the Estuary.
Does anyone remember going out on the St Trillo from the Pier and the bar would open up when at sea?
I can remember a live group playing on board but I can't be too sure but someone may correct me.
Bri Roberts
It was the galleon in rhos we always headed for on a sunday i recall sitting in there one night when the tide came over the sea wall and floded the place out.
Pobo
Where was the Galleon, Pobo? Not the one next to the Rhos Abbey Hotel, was it?
DaveR
The Galleon was the basement bar at the Rhos Abbey Hotel. The Hotel was demolished and retirement flats now stand in it's place.
Pobo
Thanks! I was thinking of that standalone building at the back of the Rhos Abbey - was it the Riverboat Room?
DaveR
The riverboat was beside the abbey as you faced the front door it was on the left it was used for functions and by the colwyn bay folk club.The fynach restaurant is more towards abbey road.
Pobo
Wasn't the old swimming pool at the back of the Rhos Fynach Pobo?
Steve
It was just behind the fynach they should never have closed it down` im sure it could have been kept going always seemed to be busy in the summer.
Just past the were swimming pool was used to be the warehouse of one of the largest fruit and vedge suppliers in the area John Garstangs.
Pobo
I remember John Garstang's well. I used to cadge rides as a youngster, on their lorries when they delivered in Llandudno.
Steve
That's right. I seem to remember it looked quite tatty towards the end. They pulled it down to build the first lot of new apartments on Rhos prom and then demolished the hotel itself a few years later to build another block. I think the Rhos Abbey hotel should have been converted into flats, rather then demolished, it was a great looking building.
DaveR
The Rhos Abbey and Rhos Fynach also spring mempries of another great landmark that used to be a magnet for kids in summer Rhos Pool. I remember long hot summer days spent at the pool, the slide was always a favourite, a mate of mine Derek Parry decided it would be a good idea to go down standing up, he actually achieved it first time but on the second go went flying off the side of it and split his head open !!!!!! Happy days !
Karen-Derek
The swimming pool was a magnet. We used to ride our bikes to rhos from Llandudno spend the day, take sarnies the ride home was always very slow though. The Galleon we went there every sunday all the bikers went there, great atmosphere!
Mollie
Anyone remember the Tavern Bar? It was a small bar attached to one of the hotels on the seafront, I think it was the Shelbourne.
Steve
Bartons - Before it was Bartons it was the Embassy Restaurant.
Steve
Hi, yes thats right, hubby remembers going to his Uncles wedding reception there 41years ago!
NorthWalesCpl
It was called bartons wine bar until about 97 when it had a refit and the balcony (that caused so many glassing incidents was removed and a full floor put in) it was re-named Anabel's and only closed due to Health and Safety issues as i think the building was in very bad need of maintenance.
I always remember boppin to 'Johnny Wilko's Disco' in Bartons during the late 80's / early 90's
Steve
That's right, according to Mostyn Estates:
'Westminster Buildings, site of the former Annabelle’s nightclub in the heart of Llandudno, had suffered from a chronic lack of maintenance over the years. It had become so dilapidated that three ornamental pediments (weighing several tonnes each) were in real danger of falling onto the busy public highway. Following legal action, Mostyn Estates took on the job of rescuing the building in a huge project, resulting in a fantastic improvement to the surrounding area as a whole.'
DaveR
What about the West Shore Social Club. Had some good good times there. Used to play there sometimes with cousin John on organ. Our dixieland band used to have a great time on Boxing Days at the club - traditional events with traditional jazz. Bill Jones or George Brookes on trumpet - and at one time George on trumpet and Bill on valve trombone, myself clarinet, Al Hughes (Dyffryn Dairy) on piano, Clive Sweet on bass (I'm trying to get Clive to join this forum - he lives in the US now) and either Barry Jones or Cliff Parry (and maybe once Frank Ash) on drums. We'd play from about 11 to 2.30 then go on a booze crawl around the hotel bars.
Micox
A few more pubs (which I'm sure none of us have personal memories of!):
Birmingham Arms, Mostyn Street (not sure of precise location)
Miners Arms, Old Road
Cambria Arms, Lloyd Street (I think this was when St George's Place was called such)
Ship Inn - somewhere round Llewelyn Avenue/Church Walks
Every year the Licensing Justices had recorded in a register all the inns etc. for every parish. There's a copy of one on the wall of the Red Lion in Old Colwyn. Lists all the pubs, licencees, how many beds they had etc. Quite interesting but I've never had time to go to the Archives in Llandudno to see what they've got on these lines.
Some places have interesting booklets on pubs past and present - niche in the market for someone ?
Alphaline
Birmingham Arms - It was roughly where Sumners used to be.
DaveR
There was also 'The Prince of Wales Inn' located in Lloyd St (now St George's Place). It was on the eastern side of the street between Somerset St & Mostyn St. (Where the present day shops are). It also served as a Packet House. Proprietor in 1855 was Mr John Owens.
Steve
I remember on my 25th birthday we tried to 'do' 25 pubs (the last one being the old hall) - I think I have the list somewere I'll try to dig it out. One of them was downstairs at the Northwestern and was called 'Grays' then - the first Llandudno pub I remember having a singles night. That would have been in 1989.
Does anyone remember the North Wales Conference Centre getting a licence to open as a night club? Can't remember what they called it now but it was hopeless and only lasted a few months. The bar was open till 11.30 and you didn't have to leave untill 12
Moggy
Eureka!!!! Our family history has it that my Nain and Taid met while working in the Birmingham Arms. For years I've been searching north Wales for the pub not having any info it was in Llandudno.
Micox
One of Llandudno's most unusual public houses was 'The Farm Inn' during the early twentieth century. At the Farm Inn extra income was earned by offering refreshment to the many tourists roaming the Great Orme.
The sign above the door read - 'Mrs J. Roberts (late) William Owen, Farm Inn, Great Ormes Head, licenced to sell Ale & Porter, Wines, Refreshments etc.'
This farm is now known as 'Pink Farm.'
Steve
I remember it now, after going through about 5 old diaries and what I should have called it was the Aberconwy Conference Center - you know the big place on the North Shore near where the Arcadia was. Anyway.....
It was in 1986 and was called Scandals and, apart from the dance floor being so empty we (me and Paul 'Porkie' Roberts) were doing knee slides across it, the only other thing I can remember about it was Paula Bean working in the cloak room (I was mates with her brother Martin).
Moggy
Tut tut.....vandal's in sandal's doing knee-slides at Scandal's.
I remember not long after the Aberconwy Centre was built they held Mod disco's there as Llandudno was a popular location for their scooter rally's.
Steve
Actually, in 1986, it was a Zoot Suit, thin leather tie and a pair of white shoes. :shock:
Some Mods still come over for the bank holiday. I remember back then them camping on a field on the North Shore, it was by the yatch club and I think was the old 'pitch and putt'. I stayed well clear - despite the Zoot Suit I was very much into Heavy Rock then.
Moggy
A couple more on the periphery but still within Llandudno district:
King's Head, Glanwydden (not to be confused with the QH)
The Swan, Bryn Pydew
Both these must have closed by early 20th cent.
Alphaline
Mostyn Arms, Church Walks (first major hotel in the town) now The Royal Hotel.
The Links was originally called The Mostyn Arms. It was built to replace the Mostyn Arms in Llanrhos.
Steve
The Queens Head was in existance in Llanrhos opposite the church, just up the road from the Mostyn Arms. The Victoria Inn was located in the heart of 'Llandudno Village.' Victoria Tram Station was built on the site and took it's name from the Inn.
A short distance down Old Road (previously Mount Road) stood the George & Dragon.
Steve
Ah the good old days pop into the oak for happy hour from 5.30 till 8 on sat before doing the rounds over to the carlton and the steampacket, tudno back around to cottage loaf onto tiffanys and the the super winter gardens to dance the night away happy times.
Nettle
The Prince of Wales packet house/hotel took up the whole block on Lloyd St (now St George's Place) from Somerset St, to Mostyn St.
Steve
a doorway next to what was Horesh has a very nice tiled floor with the words 'The Maelgwyn' incorporated. I'm not sure if this was a hotel but the coffee shop on the corner may at one time have been called Plas Maelgwyn. Any thoughts ?
Alphaline
The Maelgwyn may have been a bar or a banquet room inside the Prince Of Wales Inn.......Maelgwyn Gwynedd was Prince of North Wales at one time.
Steve
John Owen was the father of Richard Owen Proprietor of 'Overton House' or 'The Clock Vaults' as it was later known(1871-1904), now Halifax Building Society. The building on the opposite corner of Market Street was the 'Criterion' (now Barclays Bank) Richard Owen also owned 'The Harrington Vaults' till 1904 when he passed away.They were my Great Grandfather and Great Great Grandfather any information or Pics from any era on these pubs would be greatfully received
Installer
Hi . im sure the Harrington was in the area of where Stead and Simpsons and Priceless shoes are now , remember going there in the 70s.
NorthWalesCpl
the harrington was next door to mc fisheries.
Tommy Lehart
Hi thanks for everyones help, it was where Stead and Simpsons is now number 71 Mostyn Street. Shame they are all gone i played darts in the 60,s and remember the teams names in the Gwalia League
Installer
I remember Graham Walker when he had the Harrington and the sweet shop on the estate. He was a really nice guy and he had a large wooden clinker build boat behind the shop that he painstakingly restored over a period of about 10 months. With the help of several lads from Cwm Place & the estate we lifted the boat out of the garden & took it to Craig Y Don for it's launch. He was so grateful to us that he took us all out on the boats maiden voyage. We cruised about 300 yards out and motored along to the pier. All went well until the bung shot up in the air & the boat took in water at an alarming rate. We were bailing water out as fast as we could, but obviously not quick enough as it finally sunk about 25 yards out.
Hugo
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WHAT A RESPONSE. What a bunch of pub lovers there must be in this forum. Unfortunately I cannot add anything interesting, I was never a regular drinker in Llandudno (made up for it elsewhere!!!) Mike
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Some names of pubs that I picked up in Llandudno Library a while back...
Oxford Arms - 7 Clonmel Street (now Little Lilly & Co)
Brynford Vaults - 8 Mostyn Street (now Fifth Avenue Amusements?)
Burlington Hotel - 23 Mostyn Street (now Craft Llandudno)
Vernon Vaults - 35 Mostyn Street (now part of Billy Lal's Bargain Centre)
Mostyn Vaults - 46 Mostyn Street (Now Game video games shop)
Wellington Hotel - Mostyn Street
Harrington House - 71 Mostyn Street (closed 1980 - now 'Stead & Simpson)
Prince of Wales - Lloyd Street
Tudno Vaults - 64 Mostyn Street (now the 'Town House' pub, formerly 'Plumes')
Stanley Hotel - 70 Mostyn Street (now 'The Works', formerly Dixons and, before that, the 'Steampacket' pub)
The Criterion - 84 Mostyn Street (now 'Barclays Bank')
Mount Pelier - Mostyn Street
Palmerston House - Mostyn Street
British Hotel - Church Walks
Albert Vaults - Madoc Street (Now just 'The Albert' pub)
Snowdon Vaults - Tudno Street (Now just 'The Snowdon' pub')
Westminster Hotel - Lloyd Street
Overton House - 86 Mostyn Street (Later the 'Clock Vaults' pub, now 'Halifax Building Society')
Penmynydd - Great Orme’s Head (now a private house - Penmynydd Isaf/Pink Farm)
Telegraph Inn - Great Orme’s Head (demolished in 1900s and rebuilt as Summit Hotel)
Railway Vaults - Mostyn Street
Tourists’ Hotel - Mostyn Street
Temperance Hotel - Mostyn St (absorbed into North Western/Tudno Castle Hotel - now semi-derelict)
Note - The list above also mentions the Baths Hotel, so it must have been compiled sometime between 1879 and 1900.
If you have any more pubs to add or any info on any of the above, please fire away! :)
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Whilst looking through the Gwynedd Archives, I also found some bits and bobs that are relevant to Llandudno pubs:
ORDER OF CONVICTION of John Williams of pa.[rish] Llandudno, beerhouse keeper, for unlawfully keeping open his house and premises licensed for the sale of beer after lO p.m. at pa.[rish] Llandudno on 26 January 1856.
RECOGNIZANCE of Owen Williams of Llandidno [Llandudno], licensing him to keep a common inn and alehouse in good order for one year. Year - 1798
SUMMARY CONVICTION of John Hughes of Llandudno for drunkenness on 27th Sept. 1869. Fined 5/- and 8/- costs to be paid to Henry Jones prosecuting, or to be imprisoned in the common gaol, Carnarvon [Caernarfon] seven days. Magistrates: J. Edwards, W.N. Masman.
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So, let me get this straight....Drunkeness 140 years ago gets you a fine of more than a months wages....??
Today, it gets you a free ride home in a cushy police car, and a mild warning?
We wonder why society is turning to mush...
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The Stanley was at 70 Mostyn Street where "The Works" is now
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Hi Dave Is it possible for anybody to tell me which street or road The Telegraph Inn or The Penmynydd were on the orme?
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The Stanley was at 70 Mostyn Street where "The Works" is now
Thanks, Sue. Added to list. :)
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Hi Dave Is it possible for anybody to tell me which street or road The Telegraph Inn or The Penmynydd were on the orme?
The Telegraph Inn was (I believe) the old Telegraph Station that we had a discussion about on the old forum a month or two back. It was demolished and rebuilt as the Summit Hotel.
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As for Penmynydd, I thought this could be Penmynydd Uchaf (isnt this the one also known as White Farm?) but Hugo thinks it was actually Penmynydd Isaf (Pink Farm) and that makes a lot more sense. :)
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Wasn't the Town House once called the Tudno Vaults?
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In Jim Roberts' book Llandudno there is a Farm Inn on the Orme. Its local name is the Pink Farm but I believe its correct name is Penmynydd Isaf.
It's just lower down from Penmynydd Uchaf (White Farm)
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I think you're right about the Town House previously being called the Tudno Vaults. I don't know when the name changed but remember going there when I was in my teens!
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Thanks, Hugo. I remember seeing old photos of Pink Farm in use as a cafe, so it being an Inn earlier is very likely. They still have the old corrugated iron shed in the garden that was used as the cafe!
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Thanks Dave and Hugo for the info on the Orme pubs.
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Can someone remind me where the 'Steampacket' pub was?
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The Steam packet was where the Town House is now
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The Steam packet was where the Town House is now
Thanks, Sue. I also have that down as the Tudno Vaults, so it must have been:
Tudno Vaults->Steam Packet->Plumes->Town House
*&(
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It's where I began my drinking carreer Dave. It was where the art/book shop is now. A couple of doors along from the Townhouse. I believe it became Dixons when it closed down around 1983 ish.
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Of course! I should have known that, we've discussed it on the Forum in the past! ZXZ
So, the Steam Packet has always been the Steam Packet but the Town House used to be called Plumes and. before that, the Tudno Vaults.
Cheers, mate! Z**
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I was sure it was where the Townhouse is, didn't think it that was far up Mostyn street - have just found out it was where the Stanley pub was at 70 Mostyn street !
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If memory serves me right (?) The Steam Packet used to be called The Stanley and was where Dixons used to be.
The Tudno was latterly also called Plumes and the Town House.
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http://oldllandudno.co.uk/gallery/category/6-in-town.html (http://oldllandudno.co.uk/gallery/category/6-in-town.html)
Image 143 shows the area in question
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Thanks all! *&(
So the Steampacket was definitely originally the Stanley. I have found some info on the Stanley:
Nos. 68 & 70 Mostyn Street - Including Former Stanley Hotel, Llandudno
Two terraced houses of about 1865 on Llandudno's most prestigious shopping street. The houses are depicted on the OS 1:500 Town Plan of 1889, when No. 70 was the 'Stanley Hotel'. Now shops with accommodation above.
Three storey buildings with basements and attics, under a common slate gabled roof. They present two bay stuccoed facades to Mostyn Street. The ground floors have modern shop fronts and the first floors each have a bay window. The attics are lit by gabled dormers.
The houses were originally two rooms deep with lateral stairs and corridors. There were service ranges and outbuildings to the rear. The ground floor retail premises have been extended through, as have the basements.
Source: CADW Listed Buildings Database (25313, 25321)
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Tudno Vaults, No. 64 Mostyn Street, Llandudno
A three storey building with attics, of about 1865, that may originally have been built as a house. On the OS 1:500 Town Plan of 1889 it is the 'Tudno Vaults' and it is still a licensed premises, although there have been changes of name.
The building presents a two bay facade to Mostyn Street. The ground floor has an elaborate public house facade with a central bay window curbed in glazed terracotta, with doorways to either side. The first floor has two less elaborate bay windows. The attic is it by gabled dormers.
Source: CADW Listed Buildings Database (3431)
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Can someone remind me where the 'Steampacket' pub was?
70 Mostyn St. Prior to it being named The Steampacket it was called The Stanley
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Thanks for the photo, Trojan. I seem to remember that it became a Dixons in 1985 - was it the Steampacket directly before then or has it had some other use inbetween? I just cant recall what it looked like as a pub, maybe a photo will pop up at some point. ££$
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Thanks for the photo, Trojan. I seem to remember that it became a Dixons in 1985 - was it the Steampacket directly before then or has it had some other use inbetween? I just cant recall what it looked like as a pub, maybe a photo will pop up at some point. ££$
Yes, I believe it was the Steampacket prior to becoming Dixons. Dave Brady ran 'The Steamie' before it's closure.
I remember what it looked like - had quite a large window in front, which enabled people to see directly inside the pub, and if my memory serves me right (sometimes it doesn't) I remember it being an Ansell's/Tetley pub, with the sinage being their traditional 1970's style tan/orange background, with STEAMPACKET in white letters.
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Cheers, mate. I can't remember the Steampacket at all. :( Surely there must be a photo of it out there somewhere?
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Photo of the location of the 'Harrington House' Pub, later just called the Harrington:
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Photo of the location of the 'Steampacket' Pub, originally 'The Stanley Hotel':
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Photo of the location of the 'Tudno Vaults' Pub, which later became 'Plumes' and then the 'Town House':
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Site of Overton House Pub - 86 Mostyn Street (Later the 'Clock Vaults' pub, now 'Halifax Building Society'):
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Wasn't Barclays Bank at 84 also a pub in an earlier life?
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The Criterion, I believe. A local bus conductor, a one Stan Anton, used to tell the passengers that that they were approaching the 4 ' C's ' area of Llandudno.
The Criterion, The Clock,The Carlton, and the Clarence. :laugh:
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Stan Anton was a very well known local toast-master and I think his son (whose name escapes me at present) 'followed in his shoes'.
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I imagine you are referring to David Anton, who lives with his beautiful wife in Penryhn Bay.
(this is deja vu, as we went through this on the old forum)
Not only is David a fantastic toast-master, but he is a fabulous joiner and carpenter ... done excellent work on my house.
He is also a thoroughly good bloke.
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I don't know why people are calling it the 'Steampacket' it was the Steam Packet. I should know; I grew up there.
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Welcome to the Forum, Sargantana. :)
Do you have any photos of the Steam Packet, interior or exterior? Would be great to see some. I just can't remember it at all, although I must have walked past many times as a child.
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it was much better as the stanley now that was a back bar
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Site of Overton House Pub - 86 Mostyn Street (Later the 'Clock Vaults' pub, now 'Halifax Building Society'):
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I think the entrance to the Clock was down the side, DaveR, and that was an off-licence at the front managed by a chap I once knew called Len Hibbert.
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I think the entrance to the Clock was down the side, DaveR, and that was an off-licence at the front managed by a chap I once knew called Len Hibbert.
Thanks, Bri, didn't know that. :)
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Z** Anyone got a photo(s) of where the Birmingham Arms used to be? *&(
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Fairly sure it was the right-hand side of Sumners (now Poundland)?
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the stanley was well known for underage drinking in the back bar out of sight of the barstaff in the late 60's early 70's and then it was refurbished and renamed the steampacket in 1977 and was run by a couple called mark and jan for about 2 or 3 years who i had the pleasure of working for, after that i believe dave brady took it on but then it became known for trouble especially on a weekend
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I used the back bar in the Stanley in the middle 1960s and it was dead rough then. It attracted customers that preferred that no ,one knew where they were so the backalley door was popular. Before anyone asks what I was doing in there, no, I was'ent bothered if anyone saw me, after all I lived in Rhyl so noone knew me, but I was in the middle of a very intense romance, if thats the correct word, with the wife of the tempory Ind Coope manager who was running it. He did'nt mind, if it wasent me it would have someone else. Mike
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the stanley was used by under age drinkers,but i saw a lot ..of them get caught even after they heeled their drinks under the bench around the table football.but a lot got caught as when the police entered they asked the landlords permission to ask them outside to answer their questions,and culprits used to leave by the back door straight into the arms of another constable or two who were waiting .i would be entering by the front door as these youngsters would be giving false ages names an date of birth,but i would just pass them by .iwas only fifteen at the time,but never got pulled till i was nineteen.many happy days spent on a wet afternoon when rained off.it will never be the steam packet that is remembered but the STANLEY
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a doorway next to what was Horesh has a very nice tiled floor with the words 'The Maelgwyn' incorporated. I'm not sure if this was a hotel but the coffee shop on the corner may at one time have been called Plas Maelgwyn. Any thoughts ?
Alphaline
At last I can answer this one. The doorway mentioned (currently occupied by a vending machine between Cafe Culture and the chip shop) was the entrance to the Maelgwyn Private Hotel - a similar sort of setup to the Alexandra today, in that most of it was on the upper floors, with the ground floor being shops. If you ever go up to the toilets upstairs in Cafe Culture, then you're walking up the staircase that was the main way up to the hotel. You can just about see the sign in this old postcard crop:
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Nice one Dave! *&(
Many thanks to proprietor Steve Dickens for moving the vending machine and allowing this photo to be taken. ;)
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Thanks for the info Dave.
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The best Pub that was ever in LLandudno was the Viking Bar run by John & Gorden. What times We had in there. I remember ALL the pubs mentioned before and after they were renamed etc etc. Got p****d in them all. but the Viking was always up there.. ££$
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Welcome to the forum Gypsy. :)
I remember the Viking in Vaughan St, under the Imperial Hotel. Became Ivories piano bar after a refurbishment.
The Viking was always an eclectic mix of gay & straight clientele.
I seem to remember it's full name was The Viking Buttery.
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:o :o :o Gay AND straight? ....in the BUTT-ery? :o :o :o
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Was it where the Imperial's Gym is now?
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Was it where the Imperial's Gym is now?
Yes, it was Dave.
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The Ship Inn, seen here in the foreground, was in Church Walks opposite St George's Church.
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Good grief; Bob Skelly must have bought it to live in. D)
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Visit www.oldllandudno.co.uk (http://www.oldllandudno.co.uk) list of old pubs on right side of page
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Visit www.oldllandudno.co.uk (http://www.oldllandudno.co.uk) list of old pubs on right side of page
Cool. D)
http://www.oldllandudno.co.uk/?page=more/pubs_gmap.php (http://www.oldllandudno.co.uk/?page=more/pubs_gmap.php) $thanx$
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Can't remember if this old photo of the Gresham has been on here before:
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Nice pic Dave, I worked there in the mid 50`s in the school holidays when Eric and Edna Thomas ran it, I looked after their son Anthony.
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Does anyone remember the room at the back of the Gresham called The Smugglers Den with the walls painted with sea-faring characters?
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yes babs i do under age sneakin past winnie :laugh: :laugh:
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Hi Norm, I think Winnie was one of the best barmaids in Llandudno.
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There were horse stables through the arch to the right of the hotel.
Beauchamp's Stables if I remember correctly.
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the gresham and the smugglers den was a great little pub but in the smugglers i allways felt that someone was keeping an eye on me,know what i mean?
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I sure do know what you mean Dwyforite.
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St Tudno Hotel, Mostyn Street (now the Town House pub):
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The present St Tudno Hotel on North Parade was in 1892 called St Tudno Villa and was flats/appartments. We have a photo in the bell tower at Holy Trinity Church stating that the bells were installed in early 1893 and funded by a donation from a Mr and Mrs Keeling of St Tudno Villa.
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The Ship Inn, seen here in the foreground, was in Church Walks opposite St George's Church.
Any clue as to the date of this pic? Also what was the building which looks like a chapel behind St. George's Church?
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Is it the church at the bottom corner of Arvon Ave?
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Don't think so, it seems too far to the West. The trees were at the bottom of Arvon on the opposite side to the Church ( Seilo). Think the building to the left of what looks like a Chapel could be the back of what is now known as Mostyn Villas.
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I thought it was Christ Church at first but it not. I was looking for Christleton House ????
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This was a tough one to solve...but using Google Maps to compare the present day layout with the old photo did it. D)
The white building with two prominent chimneys to the left of St Georges Church is the back part of a row of what are now Guesthouses on Abbey Road. The building in front of it with two turrets is the back of what is now Flats on Arvon Ave. The Chapel, therefore, is where the present Seilo Chapel is at the junction of Arvon Ave/Gloddaeth Street but it has obviously been rebuilt since. A quick look at the history of Llandudno's Chapels* reveals that:
"A smaller building on the site made way for this chapel in 1901-5 because the demand for an organ required a larger building."
* = www.capeli.org.uk/uploads/llandudno-church-lft.pdf (http://www.capeli.org.uk/uploads/llandudno-church-lft.pdf)
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Thanks Dave-- I went to an open day at Seilo and there seem to have possibly been 3 buildings over time.This would explain the change of shape.
You are right about the other buildings-- I know them well! :roll:
When was Christleton House built L. Trust? By the pic in question I guess the date to be mid 1800s. The row of white buildings were built about then. I think Christleton would be more to the left.
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The Chapel looks very much like this one?
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There is no Chistleton House in this photo, which I suspect dates from roughly around the same time as the Ship Inn pic.
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You can see it on this drawing from the 1880s, also the original Seilo Chapel at the bottom of Arvon Ave:
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Yes-- same shape !
The land to the right of the row of white buildings was a municiple gardens.
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EErr, has this thread gone a bit astray. "Llandudno Pubs Gone but Not Forgotten" The last seven or eight posts are about chapels. Not that I'm bothered, I have used both in my time , one group more than another but I'm not telling which
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Anyone know where the Birmingham Arms was? Z** ZXZ
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Before my time, Mike, but it was on Mostyn Street. I recall being told it was in the vicinity of where Sumners/Arnold's was, could be wrong though. It was established in the 1860s but presumably had gone by the Great War.
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The Stanley was the roughest pub in town in the 1960s. Partly because you could get into the back door off the narrow entry that runs behind all the shops in Mostyn street. So anyone who didn’t want to broadcast where they were drinking went in via the back door
How did I know? Because a lady I was having a very steamy affair with in the mid 1960s was a close friend of the landlady
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Naughty boy Mike $smack$
I remember going into the public bar in the Stanley when I was a teenager one Christmas time. When I went in to the public bar from the back street there was no one there but the lounge bar was packed and everyone seemed to be enjoying the Christmas festivities.
I ordered a pint of Double Diamond and noted that there was a hospitality tray there with 11 mince pies on it.
Now I'm rather partial to a mince pie so I helped myself to them and by the time I had finished my pint, I had also finished the mince pies too, all 11 of them so it was time to make a quick exit through the back door
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Anyone know where the Birmingham Arms was? Z** ZXZ
You can see it on the right in this Francis Ffrith photo:
https://www.francisfrith.com/uk/llandudno/llandudno-mostyn-street-1890_23246 (https://www.francisfrith.com/uk/llandudno/llandudno-mostyn-street-1890_23246)
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Naughty boy Mike $smack$
I remember going into the public bar in the Stanley when I was a teenager one Christmas time. When I went in to the public bar from the back street there was no one there but the lounge bar was packed and everyone seemed to be enjoying the Christmas festivities.
I ordered a pint of Double Diamond and noted that there was a hospitality tray there with 11 mince pies on it.
Now I'm rather partial to a mince pie so I helped myself to them and by the time I had finished my pint, I had also finished the mince pies too, all 11 of them so it was time to make a quick exit through the back door
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Great pic f the Steam Packet. But I remember it a bit later when it was an Ansell's pub (?) and it was orange and brown. Also good to see a bit of the old National Milk Bar to the right.
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Prior to that it was called the Stanley and that's where I was caught out by my father for under age drinking. I remember it also for one Christmas Day many many years ago when I went to the public bar for a drink.
The public bar was empty but everyone was in the lounge bar which was packed solid. So there was only me in the bar along with the hospitality tray that had 11 mince pies on it. I'm rather partial to a mince pie so by the time I had finished my pint of Double Diamond the mince pies had all gone, quickly followed by me. :-[
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My first ever drink in a pub was in the Clock in Mostyn Street, I went into the public bar which had its entrance in Market Street and had half a pint of mild which cost me 7d, that's equivalent to 3p nowadays
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My mum used to work at the National Milk Bar and she was always popping next door to 'borrow' a cup of lager!
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_))++One other I haven't seen mentioned is the Liverpool Arms. I believe it was on Upper Mostyn Street. It's in my family annals because my Nain (Rose Stallard snr) and my Taid (Fred Stallard) worked there at one time. Fred was also a renowned clog dancer who also worked on the pier in the 1920s/30s. :565: $drink$ $drink$
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I read this with a smile and this thread is the reason I joined. I was born in LLandudno, Oxford street and remember all the bars pubs and clubs. From early days getting a drink off the end of the pier I worked in the cafe and the old guy in the bar used to swap me a half for a sandwich. other places were the Links hotel at the back door there was a stable for horses. The cross keys madoc street and the summit pub where all young drinkers hung out if you could be bothered walking. The steam packet was one of my faves does anyone remember The captain the old guy who used to throw darts at the board precariously place above your head. The royal oak with suzy behind the bar its that place with the jukebox pushed me into music, everyone smelling of petuna oil. The london was cool, The Dolphin [worked there]. The parade,The speakeasy, The washington was a great place and Lemmy from motorhead played there as did Jimmy Page. Who remembers jumping in the back of a van by Bog island and heading to the Old Hall the only nightclub then staggering home passt the posh houses in craigside. Yep many good and bad memories. well thats enough for now. just dipping my toe.
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Good memories to have. $good$
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Great memories but could tell your not that old when you mentioned the steam packet 😂 Not the Stanley ( best back bar maddest ) or the clock.👍
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Remember them all just stated my favourite ones. Early days and old enough to remember them.
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Hi Anyone have any photos of the Royal Oak pub Gloddaeth Street, circa 79..83? . interior would be great. Was my favourite haunt, ah the days before selfies and Instagram 8) . Thanks in Advance $good$.
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Where exactly was the Royal Oak pub in Gloddaeth Street? I can't imagine how I've missed a Llandudno pub in my teens unless it was opened after I left the town in 1970
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It is the Travelodge Hotel now I believe (I moved away too). The bar was on the corner underneath on the junction of Bod-Hyfryd Rd. $good$
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Hugo the oak bar was in the Clarence hotel.
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Yea Just realised I had not typed The Clarence, all good.
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Hugo the oak bar was in the Clarence hotel.
Thanks Norman, I had been in the Clarence Hotel a number of times. Our Taid Sam worked in the Clarence for a while but had to leave there when he fell down the stairs in the cellar, I reckon Taid must have had a tipple or two before going down there! $drink$
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so that's a no then ... $3towns$
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Hi Shnugs you would be best on FB onto a page you know your from Llandudno guys posted pics of the oak on there.
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Thanks Norman don't do Facebook, Thanks anyway.
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This film released this May, is more than just about pubs, vert interesting...........
A short film about the youth of my grandmother Sylvia Williams, growing up in different hotels and pubs in North Wales including The Bull in Llangefni, The Gazelle on the Menai Strait, The Washington in Llandudno and The Royal Oak in Bangor-on-Dee.
See more of my work at:
gracieevans.com
Instagram: @gracieevansphotography
film Growing up glorious: The Thalassic Youth of Sylvia Williams - Gracie Evans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5eFJdI2lQ&t=9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5eFJdI2lQ&t=9s)
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A fond look back at the half-remembered nightclubs of North Wales
We've scoured the region's clubbing history to find 28 gone but not entirely forgotten clubs
cont/gallery https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/fond-look-back-half-remembered-21603148 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/fond-look-back-half-remembered-21603148)
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North Wales pubs in past years
This week's selection of nostalgic photographs looks at drinking establishments across the region
https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/north-wales-pubs-in-past-years/