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The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: Meleri on April 04, 2019, 03:25:51 pm
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He was born in Penmachno 1870 & died Llandudno Junction 1926, then my Grandfather's brother took over the business. My Great X2 Grandfather Joseph started the business & built the showroom in Llandudno Junction which is now Lamberts.
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Thanks Meleri, this is a copy of the 1891 Census and the family were living in Bryn Gorach Cottage. Is this your relative Hugh?
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
HUGHES Joseph Head M M 54 Stone Mason(Notem) CAE Conway
HUGHES Jane Wife M F 46 CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Maria Dau M F 25 CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Hugh Son S M 21 Stone Mason(Em'ee) CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Margaret A Dau S F 12 Scholar CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Evan Son S M 10 Scholar CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Owen
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Yes that's him Hugo after Bryn Corach cottage they moved to Machno Terrace Conway & then to Llandudno Junction.
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That is interesting Meleri. I assume your Gt Grandfather was the same H Hughes, stonemason responsible for Conwy war memorial?
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That's a bit spooky Meleri because your Gt Grandfather Hugh was my Taid Evan's elder brother. Joseph who had lived in Llewelyn Terrace in Penmachno was my Gt Grandfather
Taid Tywyn as we called Evan lived in 7 Park Terrace Deganwy and he and his wife had 12 children there, my father Norman being the youngest of the 12.
By the way have you seen a photo of Joseph as I have an old photo and think that it is one of Joseph but I can't be certain of him?
My mother's maiden name was also Hughes and Norman08 who is a forum member is my first cousin but on my mother's side
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
HUGHES Joseph Head M M 54 Stone Mason(Notem) CAE Conway
HUGHES Jane Wife M F 46 CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Maria Dau M F 25 CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Hugh Son S M 21 Stone Mason(Em'ee) CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Margaret A Dau S F 12 Scholar CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Evan Son S M 10 Scholar CAE Penmachno
HUGHES Owen Sonlaw M M 23 Railway Engine Fireman(Em'ee) CAE Llanrhos
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How wonderful Hugo we are 2nd cousins once removed ;D I have got your Taid Tywyn on my tree with lots of various information I have found. I have only found 8 of his children up to Thomas Glyn born 1913, I got the info from Evans Military Records so hadn't got the info of the last 4.
I would love to see a photograph of Great Grandad X2 Joseph, I have some of my Grandparents Thomas & Laura Hughes but nothing from further back, It's very kind of you to offer.
I visited the Archive at Llandudno some years ago & found the plans & application form Joseph put into the Council for planning permission for the showroom in Conwy Road, Llandudno Junction.
Yes Jack it was H Hughes & Son who were responsible for erecting the Cenotaph. It was first sited in the small garden opposite the Castle & later moved to Bodlondeb. They can also take credit for some of the wonderful elaborate memorials in Llanrhos Old Cemetery, as Joseph was a talented sculptor mason.
Sorry Helig for taking over from the Kerridge family with the Hughes family for a while, but it's so interesting to find out I'm related to Hugo. What a fantastic photograph of Amelia & thank you for sharing it with us, it makes it all the more interesting when you can put a face to a name. Amelia had a very interesting life & I have enjoyed following her trail.
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Meleri, there were 8 boys and 4 girls and I found that they had all been Baptised in All Saints Church in Tywyn. After Thomas Glynn in the Baptism records came Grace, Joseph Selwyn, Hughie John, William, Enid, Elias Gwynedd ( who died in WW 2 ) and Norman Carter.
The Baptism's were done in groups on different days so some of the names above you will already know about
The first photo is of Taid Tywyn in his WW 1 uniform and the second is I think of Joseph Hughes judging by the family resemblance and the age of the photo. Have you got a photo of Joseph to compare with mine?
Helig, I haven't forgotten about Elizabeth but as soon as I can go to the Archives, I'll have another look, Were you able to contact the Colwyn Bay crem ?
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I can see the family resemblance.
Lovely to see your ancestor's photos.
Rhuddlan.
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Hugo Than you so much for the photographs, sadly I have none of Joseph to compare with. It is hard to tell if my Taid Tom resembles Joseph as he has a beard. I will send it to my cousin to see what she thinks. I have managed to find all bar one of Evan & Ellen's children, do you know when Grace was Born?
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I don't know when my Aunty Grace was born but her Baptism was on the 3rd January 1918. Who was the person you couldn't find?
Apart from the 8 I have mentioned in my last post there were Jane, Elizabeth, Evan, and David Lloyd,
I know very little about Taid Tywyn's siblings but can remember him telling me about two relatives in Bryn Pydew and my father mentioned the "crossing family" and he must have meant the relatives near the crossing in Junction
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All very interesting. Hugo - don't forget Crossing Cottage at Llandudno. Before Maesdu Bridge was built the crossing keeper lived in cottage which is still there and now called Railway Cottage.
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Thanks Cambrian but I'm almost certain it was the Junction crossing because of family connections with Junction, Gyffin and Bryn Pydew
Perhaps Meleri's side will unravel things that at the moment are just vague memories for me. Another thing that I was told was that Taid Tywyn or Joseph once lived at Fatw on the Vadre in Deganwy and Bri Roberts was kind enough to post a photo of it on the forum for me.
The various Census records do not show this fact so I suppose that they only lived there for a short while
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It was Grace's DOB I couldn't find Hugh. I have them all now. Your Taid's siblings were my great Taid Hugh, Maria, Grace, Evan 1 who died age 4, Margaret Ann then your Taid Evan 2. Evan & Margaret were very close & she stayed with him & his family often & actually passed away at their home in 7 Park Terrace. The "crossing family" I think are your Taid's sister Maria & her husband Owen Hughes they had 10 children & lived in the small cottages on Glan y Mor Road by the old crossing. Quite a few of them either worked as railway engine drivers or in the sheds on maintenance as most of the rest of the Hughes family did, if they weren't Masons/Builders. Apparently the Hughes family built the wall around Bodlondeb at one time.
The only places I know of were your Taid Evan lived was Caradoc Road, Llandudno Junction & then 7 Park Terrace, Tywyn. I suppose Joseph could have lived at Fatw, but I haven't heard it mentioned. Not a place I should imagine he would have taken his wife & children to live as it was a bit out of the way up there.
I did find some information on Elias Gwynedd Hughes he was in the RWF & died 10/11/1944 age 23. He is buried at Groesbeck Canadian War Cemetery & was married to Joyce Marion Hughe of Shirley, Birmingham.
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Thanks Meleri for all that info you have given and the Crossing connection seems to make sense, a good excuse for my father to visit his relatives and go across the road to the Crosville club for a drink or two
The names of the children are similar too and that seemed to be the trend years ago
I have a number of addresses for Taid Tywyn, Jane his eldest child was born in Llangwstennin but was Baptised in All Saint's Church in Tywyn and at the time they lived at No 1 Park Terrace and then moved to No 7 Park Terrace before moving to 3 Stamford Street
Elias Gwynedd was known as Gwyn and he got married in Solihull in 1942 and his wife had a child, a boy called Graham who was born in 1943 and sadly a year later in 1944 Gwyn died in WW 2
I had never seen a photo of Gwyn until last year when my cousin Jean Hughes originally from 7 Park Terrace showed me a photo of Gwyn at his wedding
We seem to be hijacking Helig's postings on here Meleri, do you think it would be a good idea if we asked the Admins to move the posts relating to the Hughes family and set them up under the name of Joseph Hughes?
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Hugo that would be a very good idea to have a seperate one for Joseph Hughes, I feel guilty about the hijacking too.
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Started by Hugo.
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If it any help, here is evidence that Evan was living at 7 Park Terrace from 1911-1925.
** Perhaps, Ian would not mind please rotating the first photo which was posted the correct way.
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Thanks very much Ian for moving the posts from Helig's topic of Elizabeth Kerridge, it's much easier now to follow both topics $good$
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It was interesting to see the old Street Indexes of Tywyn Bri and I noticed that there were four families with the surname Hughes living in the terrace of 12 houses.
At No 7 it must have been very cramped with Taid Tywyn and most of his 12 children living there and all living in a two up two down house
There were some names I can remember from my younger days and I think that there was a Mr Goosey who was a barber in Llandudno and I used to go to him in Mostyn Street for my haircut
A sad thing too was that in the close community of Tywyn as it was, my Uncle Gwyn and Harold Frederick Hughes from No 1 died in WW 2 and a Griffith Williams from No 4 died in WW 1
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Meleri, I have attached some photos that show all of Evan's 12 children with their names and where they last lived
The first photo was taken I think at the wedding of my cousin Linda at Ellesmere Port
Back Row left to right are Norman, (Tywyn) Hughie, (Manchester) David (Tywyn), Evan ( Glan Conwy) and Selwyn (Tywyn)
sitting down left to right are Betty, (Stockport) Enid (Bredbury nr Stockport) Grace (Stockport)
The second photo was also taken at the wedding and in that line up are:-
Left to right Norman, Selwyn, Linda and her father Will (Ellesmere Port) Thomas (Birmingham)
The third photo is of Jane the eldest child of Evan but unfortunately the family lost contact with her and she was last believed to be in the south of England somewhere
Last but not least is Elias Gwynedd Hughes AKA Gwyn. Sadly Gwyn died in 1944 during WW 2 and had been living with his wife Joyce Marion Hughes and son Graham in Shirley near Birmingham.
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Thank's Ian $good$
Hugo I have been going through the Archive Online index for Porter Papers (Conway Solicitor) & found quite a few items regarding various members of our Hughes family. When the Archive is moved to Conwy I am hoping to go & have a good look through them. Another item I found came under C Maps & Plans 23/1/36 Four new cottages Conway Town Mountain for Joseph Hughes 1890. Building Control Plans Conway Borough UDC. It could be the proof I have been looking for to say the family built Machno Terrace, Conway.
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That's a good find Meleri and I hope that you enjoy looking through the records of the Archives when it moves to Conwy, believe me it can be addictive looking through the records.
I forgot to put something in my last post and it was about Taid Tywyn and where he lived. I know that Joseph lived in Penmachno as I've seen the evidence in a Census record but my father was adamant that Taid Tywyn lived in Cwm Penmachno not Penmachno.
In fact one day he drove me to Penmachno and we drove through the village to Cwm Penmachno. I don't know if you know the area but as you are getting near Cwm Penmachno there is a lane on the left going uphill towards Llyn Conwy and Blaenau Ffestiniog now just past the turn off is a terrace of cottages and I remember my father telling me that Taid Tywyn lived in one of the cottages
That item about Machno Terrace in Conwy, I wonder if Joseph not only built it but was allowed to name it, and named it after the River Machno that flows from Cwm Penmachno through to Penmachno before entering the RiverConwy
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My goodness they look like they are having a good time. Thanks for sharing all the lovely photographs with me, I love to put faces to names & can now add them to the family tree. I haven't seen anything regarding the family living in Cwm Penmachno, but I do know Joseph was born in Conway & they lived in Uppergate Street 1841 then moved to Gyffin. Joseph was living in Penmachno according to his marriage certificate at the time of marrying Jane in 1863, she was born in Penmachno. I'm still working on her parents.
I haven't been up to Penmachno so don't know it at all, but keep promising myself I will go one day. Joseph, Jane their daughter Grace & Grandson Evan (who I think is the son of Margaret Ann) are all buried together at Salem Cemetery, Penmachno.
I wish I could put some photographs on for you to see but I have failed miserably to post a photo in the past, as I don't know how to reduce the size, I'm not very good at that sort of thing. I can send one in an e-mail so if you like PM me.
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Hugo, for the record, my photographs have come out with 1925 on top of 1911.
I certainly remember Selwyn Hughes the Builder and I think Davy and his wife, Tilly, may have still been living in Number 7 during the fifties onwards.
Btw, that is my Gt Gt Grandfather living close by in Number 12 during 1911
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Bri, it's surprising how many families have lived in Park Terrace over the years and at one time my Uncle Selwyn also lived there. My brother for a short time also lived in No 12.
My father Norman was born in No 7 but moved to Llandudno and then returned to Ivy Bank Cottages in his latter years.
On the Street Index you have attached, H T Hughes lives at No 1 and that must have been a few years after my Taid Tywyn lived there.
I've attached a couple of photos of No 1 but don't know who was in the photos at the time they were taken Do you remember the shop?
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Meleri, a lot of the things you have said are starting to fit in with some of the things that my father told me when I was a child. My father's mother Ellen died when he was very young and possibly Taid Tywyn couldn't cope with a young child so Dad lived with relatives in Gyffin. One day when he was driving on the Llanrwst road alongside the Afon Gyffin he said to me that that is where he lived at one time. He later moved to Stockport where he lived with his sister Betty before moving to Llandudno
If you have the marriage certificate for Joseph would you mind telling me the address he lived at in Penmachno and also where his wife lived and her maiden name as it may help in any searches. I'm going for a game of golf now so I'll post some more later
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I've attached a couple of photos of No 1 but don't know who was in the photos at the time they were taken Do you remember the shop?
Yes, I do Hugo.
During the fifties, it was run by Fanny Number 1 and her husband.
Their grandson, Brian Hughes, for many years used to be the Secretary of the Vic Club here in CyD.
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Hope you had a good round of golf Hugo what a lovely day for it.
You have mentioned your Father's Mum died while he was young & I have found 2 possibles both Ellen Maria Hughes born 1879, 1 died in 1935 & 1 in 1926 registered in Conway, was she either of these? The family by the Afon Gyffin could have been your Taid Evan's sister Margaret Ann she married Elias Eardley & they lived in Bronant, which is along the Woodlands on the way to Gyffin & overlooks the river. By the way her Will is in the Archive if you want a look CD4/8295+296 dated 7/1/1927 + 11/12/1927.
The Marriage information I have is a copy of the register for Joseph & Jane. It was 21/11/1863 in the Parish Church Penmachno. Joseph was full age, a Stonemason, Father Hugh Hughes Stonemason, no address just Penmachno. Jane was 19, Father Evan Hughes Quarryman & again just Penmachno.
I found Jane & her parents living at Cwm Lane on the 1851 Census, so could that be the house your father talked about if it was still in the family? Her parents are Evan Hughes born 1811 Penmachno, died 6/6/1874 Penmachno & Grace Davies born 1814 Penmachno, died 1/1/1884 Penmachno. They married 8/8/1835 Penmachno
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I did enjoy the golf today thanks Meleri, we play on the course behind Tweedmill in Trefnant but don't take the game too seriously. Thanks for the info about Margaret Ann and I'll keep a look out for that property when I'm in the area next, Dad told me bits about his time there and one thing I'll always remember is that the family used to send him out to catch Trout under the bridge by the archway and near the bowling green. He said that he used to catch them in a wicker basket but that was before the lead mines in the Gyffin Valley poisoned the stream.
You'll have to pay a visit to Penmachno some day as you have so much info about the family to follow up. I was there a few years ago when they had a Summer Fair in the school and also passed Llewelyn Terrace where they once lived at No 3. Some walks I've done are on the outskirts of the village and by the old Woolen Mill is a delightful pack horse bridge and we usually end up in the cafe by the Conwy Falls which is a nice place to go to.
I'm not sure when Ellen died but my father was born in 1924 and was in Gyffin when he was about 7 so it may be the Ellen who died in 1926 but that's only a guess. Her grave is in Llanrhos but there was no headstone on her grave according to my father so I can't tell you any more about her.
I've had a look on Google and Cwm Lane may now be called Cwm Road because the terrace houses are still there on the outskirts of Cwm Penmachno. I've looked at the properties which are now mainly second homes or rented holiday homes but they all seem to be just one bedroom cottages. I would imagine that Jane and Joseph lived nearby some time between 1863 and the Census date of 1871 when they were living elsewhere. The Archives Baptism records may give an exact address for Hugh and Evan and other siblings
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I had another look for Ellen Maria's burial & found it at last 17/12/1935 Llanrhos (Old Section) home address 7 Park Terrace Deganwy. It had been miss transcribed on Find My Past, putting her age at 76 instead of 56. Such a shame they didn't give her a headstone as there were enough Mason's in the family, how mean &shake&
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Thank you very much for finding out about my Nain Ellen. My father was 11 when she died but I think that Nain Ellen must have been ill for a while for him to be sent to Gyffin.
I know that my father missed his mother because he would speak quite affectionately about her and he was the only one of the 12 children that I have ever heard mentioned the headstone and in fact he planned to have a headstone put on her grave but sadly Dad's health took a turn for the worse and he died aged 61.
I think that he had already made tentative enquiries with Tony Lambert
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I haven't been up to Penmachno so don't know it at all, but keep promising myself I will go one day. Joseph, Jane their daughter Grace & Grandson Evan (who I think is the son of Margaret Ann) are all buried together at Salem Cemetery, Penmachno.
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I had a look at the Burial Index in the Archives for Capel Salem and the grave is at plot E18
The inscription is in Welsh and very briefly it is as follows Evan son of Joseph and Jane died 17th April 1878 aged 3 years and 9 months Grace died 28th May 1893 aged 25, Jane died 17th Jan 1913 aged 67, Joseph Hughes died 19th Sept 1921 aged 84
Now the last one was Evan Gwynedd Eardley and the inscription said " little grandchild of the above ( Joseph & Jane) born 6th September 1914 and died 23rd December 1914
The Baptism records for Penmachno go back to 1714 but I only looked at the records from 1860 onwards and could see no record of any of Joseph and Jane's children being Baptised. This may be that the Capel Salem had their own records or that they were Baptised elsewhere such as in Conwy. Normally children were Baptised soon after their birth but I know from Taid Tywyn's case they were Baptised years later and a few together
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I had a drink with my brother last night and had a chat with him about our ancestors. My brother is a lot younger than me but as he worked for years with our father he had things to add to what I know. For instance he believed that dad used to go on holiday and stay at the Eardley home in Bronant, rather that living there with the family, perhaps then it was for some sort of rest for Nain Ellen
He knew that Joseph was a monumental mason and said that he was told that Joseph carved something above the fireplace in the Penmachno pub but didn't know what the word or words were
Both my brothers worked in Cwm Penmachno for weeks and went past the terraced cottages daily but dad was too ill to travel so although they knew that Taid Tywyn had lived in Cwm they were unaware of exactly where he lived
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Thanks Hugo for sharing some very interesting information I hadn't got about the family. I have found Joseph's Christening in Conway 13/1/1838, Father Hugh Hughes a Mason & Mother Maria living at Upper Gate Street Conway, they were living at Uppergate Street on the 1841 Census too. I'm still having no luck with finding Jane's though, but I'm sure it will be in Penmachno.
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Those records in the Archives are incredible and they are clear and in good condition especially for their age.
To be honest I never looked at anything for Jane as I spent time looking for other things but the records go back to 1714 so there is a lot to see in them
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I was in the Archives this morning and could see no Chapel records for Capel Salem at Penmachno so I looked through the Church Baptism records from 1813 to 1867 and the only entry that could possibly fit the family is this one:-
Pg 64 No 512 on the 27th November 1842
Elizabeth daughter of Evan & Grace Hughes abode LLan occupation Quarryman
I then had a look at the Census records for 1871 and 1881 and Joseph and Jane Hughes were living at 3 Llewelyn Street Penmachno
I then had a look for Grace Hughes in the 1881 Census and found out that she was a widow and living as an in law at 2 Can Y Cwm Penmachno. The details are:-
John Hughes Head quarry man
Grace Hughes wife
Hugh J Hughes son
Grace Hughes widow
The 1871 Census showed Evan and Grace living at Rhos Goch Penmachno and the details are:-
Evan Hughes Head age 59 born 1812 no occupations listed
Grace Hughes wife " 58 " 1813
Gwen Hughes dau " 18 " 1853
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Hugo you have been busy, but this information throws up a few questions. Evan & Grace did have a daughter Elizabeth but on the 1851 Census living at Cwm Lane Penmachno it states she was born 1847, so I wonder if the first Elizabeth died then they named Elizabeth 2 after Elizabeth 1, as people sometimes did. There were other children on the 1851 Census, Rice (I wonder if it should be Rees?) born 1838, Jane 1845, Elizabeth 1847 & Gwen 1853 some large gaps so perhaps there were more children. Evan & Grace married 8/8/1835 Penmachno & Evan died 1874, Grace 1884 both Penmachno.
I can't see we would be able to go further back, but I have been pleasantly surprised to get this far, so thanks for your help & hope you & your family have a lovely Easter & don't forget the sun block!!
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Meleri, It's strange that you mentioned a possible second Elizabeth because I've just had a look at the notes I made today and I was recording a second Elizabeth on pg 76 on 29th Aug 1847 No 603,
I had copied that info and then daughter of Evan but deleted it for some reason, I did double check it but the names of Evan and Grace did not match up to what was in the Register, unless of course I mistook the handwriting. I'll check it again and as I've got a record of the pg etc it will be easy to find
I'm going to have a look for those 2 locations on Google to see exactly where they are in the village Hope that you have a good Easter too and as for the sun block, well the damage was done years ago so it's always a hat and factor 30 when I go outside now
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Meleri, I've had a think about what you have said in your last post and think that I may have missed some of Evan and Grace's children.
I can remember a mother called Grace and an abode called Llan in a number of instances but it must have been the bad handwriting of the husband that has thrown me
I looked for Joseph & Jane from 1863 to 1867 but there was definitely no entry there. Also I looked for Grace from 1813 to about 1825 but could see nothing for her Baptism either.
The doubt in my mind now is for Evan and Grace from 1835 onwards so I'll go back and see what has happened
The Penmachno Church records go back to 1714 so there is a lot more to find out.
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Meleri, Rhos Goch the home of Evan & Grace in 1871 is in Cwm Penmachno, there is even a Machno Terrace in Cwm. I couldn't find Can Y Cwm but it may be there too.
As for the abode called Llan in 1842 I've no idea but going on the name it could be near the Church in Penmachno but that's only a guess.
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That's a good find Hugo I must try & go up to Penmachno & Cwm soon to have a look. Looks like I will be busy in the Archive when it comes to Conwy as the records for Penmachno go back quite a lot more than I thought.
This afternoon I have found Elizabeth Hughes born 1847 Marriage to Robert Owen 28/11/1868 Penmachno Parish Church. The witnesses were Gwen & Rees Hughes & abode for both Cwm Penmachno.
I also found a Baptism for Elizabeth Hughes born 1847 but it states father Evan Hughes Mother Elizabeth. As it hasn't got an attached image I can't check for a mistranscription so please can you have a look the next time you are in the Archive.
I found the Family on the 1841 Census & there was another son David born 1840 but he isn't on the 1851 Census so could have died.
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Hello Hugo and Meleri,
I hope you don't mind me entering this Board. I like a challenge.
The entry in Freereg for the baptism of Elizabeth Hughes in Penmachno on 29/08/1847, records her as daughter of Evan and Elizabeth Hughes.
They have a baptism on 27/11/1842 for Elizabeth, daughter of Evan and Grace Hughes.
I reckon the 1847 entry is a mistake pure and simple.
There aren't any more baptisms for Evan and Grace Hughes on Freereg.
It is interesting that there is a Rees Hughes (also shown as Rice Hughes) baptising children there later on.
15/08/1872, Evan, son of Rees and Jane Hughes.
15/08/1872, David, son of Rees and Jane Hughes.
09/12/1875, Grace, daughter of Rice and Jane Hughes.
There aren't any more baptisms for this couple on Freereg.
Rees Hughes is in the 1881 census living at 6 Rhos Goch St, Penmachno.
The household comprises:
Rees Hughes, Head, married, age 44, Slate Inspector Quarries, born Penmachno.
Jane Hughes, wife, age 44, born Penmachno.
Edward Hughes, son, age 20, Quarryman, born Penmachno.
Evan, son, age 12, Scholar, born Penmachno.
David, son, age 10, born Penmachno
Mary J Hughes, daughter, age 16, Dressmaker, born Penmachno.
Elizabeth, daughter, age 15, Scholar, born Penmachno.
Grace, daughter, age 7, born Penmachno.
Gwen, daughter, age 4, born Penmachno.
In the 1871 census they are living in 2 Rhos Goch and have a son, Rees, age 4 months as well as Edward, Mary Jane, Elizabeth and Evan in the family there.
In 1891 the family are still living in Rhos Goch with children: Edward, Mary J, Evan, Grace and Gwen. Rees is a Slate Inspector at Quarry.
It is interesting that he named his children after his parents and siblings.
Helig
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Thanks very much for your info Helig and the more people that can help the better, especially with all the experience that you have doing research.
At this moment all I can add is that I have actually seen the entry in the original Baptism record for Elizabeth on the 29th Aug 1847 but for some reason I've deleted it from my notes.
I looked at hundreds of entries on that particular day so I cannot say for certain whether there are more entries for Evan and Grace. One thing that sticks in my memory is that I may have mistaken the name Evan for something else.
When I cannot make out a name I normally ask the lady in the Archives who is used to this type of thing but yesterday I didn't.
I'm going back to the Archives asap and will take photos like Meleri has asked and will post them on here.
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Hello Hugo,
Just to clarify, I think there was a baptism for Elizabeth Hughes in 1847 and she was the daughter of Evan Hughes. I think the rector entered the name of her mother as Elizabeth incorrectly. There is no way we can prove this but it did happen back then.
I have a possible death for Rees Hughes which is shown as Rhys Hughes. This was registered in Llanwrst Registration District in 1896. He was aged 59. It fits as I cannot find him on a census after 1891.
Helig.
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Big thanks from me too Helig & as Hugo has said the more the merrier when it comes to finding more information. We now have 3 ways of spelling Rice, Rees & Rhys some of these people taking the Census at the time left us with some very amusing ways of spelling certain names, especially in areas such as Wales & it has been a nightmare with my Irish branch. The Jane's David's & Grace's have come up right through the generations to present day in the Hughes family. $thanx$
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Hi Helig and Meleri,
I've just had a phone call from my friend Hugo who has asked me to say that he is having problems with his computer.
He wants you to know that it may be a week or so before he can get it all sorted so he won't be responding
to any postings for a while.
He just wants you to know in case you are anticipating a response from him.
Rhuddlan
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Rhuddlan thanks very much for letting us know $good$
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I was actually attaching a photo when the computer crashed and I'm in Colwyn Baynlibrary posting this. The IT guy is away until the 6th May 2019 so I'm unable to post any photos on here
I took a photo of the 1842 and 1847 Baptisms of the Elizabeths but looked carefully at all the Baptism records for Penmachno from 1813 to 1867-and there were no other entries there.
I think Helig posted about the Baptisms of Rees 1838, Jane 1845, and Gwen 1853 but these entries are not in the Penmachno Church records. There are a number of Chapels in Penmachno and even one in Cwm Penmachno , perhaps the records Helig has seen show where the children were Baptised?
I was looking through an old address book of mine and it showed that my cousin from Birmingham was living in 12 Machno Terrace Cwm Penmachno over 30 years ago but now lives in Spain somewhere
Apart from my printer crashing, laptop going kaput, my back has gone too so no more golf or walking for a while and my going to the Archives might be restricted too
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Hello Hugo,
It sounds as though you are well and truly in the wars. I hope things improve soon.
The baptisms I listed were all in St Tydclud, Penmachno. These are shown on Freereg.
I did a general search for Hughes baptised there 1838-1850.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/5cc02bac4325a6c069c46a6c?locale=en (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/5cc02bac4325a6c069c46a6c?locale=en)
Rees Hughes baptised some of his children there but this was in later years.
Helig
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Thanks for posting the link Helig and those entries are in the original Parish Register, I must have been looking just for the direct line of Joseph and Jane and then Evan and Grace before them.
As soon as I can I'll attach the photo of the two Baptism records for the two Elizabeths and you'll be surprise at how good the condition is but until my own computer is up and running again I won't be able to add anything to this search
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Meleri, you'll have a lot of info to look at when the Conwy Archives moves to Conwy as the Online Catalogue has a bit about Joseph Hughes. No 45 of the 97 on the list looks promising and I wonder if it was or was near Machno Terrace?
Four new cottages on Conway Town Mountain
Ddisgrifiad / Description for Joseph Hughes. No. 79.
Dyddiad / Date [1890s]
Graddau / Extent 1 item
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Meleri, the weather forecast was good for today so I thought that I'd have a drive down to Penmachno and then on to Cwm Penmachno and have a little look for the things we have been talking about.
I turned at the Conwy Falls Cafe and headed down the Machno Valley and then it started to rain as it does in that area, anyway the first thing I saw was No 3 Llewelyn Terrace where Joseph was living in 1881. The road then took me a little bit further and at a T junction were St Tudclud's Church and the Eagles Hotel and about 50 yards away was Capel Salem where Joseph and Jane were buried.
I was lucky enough to find the grave very quickly and it looks like a double plot but there was no sign that the grave is attended to.
I thought that my trainers were waterproof but a visit to the Cemetery proved that I was wrong!
Anyway I went on to Cwm Penmachno and took some photos of the various terraced cottages that are spread out in this village. At one time it must have been a busy and close community when the slate mines were in full flow although the village is quite remote.
On a nice sunny day I could imagine that there are many interesting walks in the area but the hills are quite steep
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Penmachno and Cwm Penmachno
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Wow you have been busy Hugo, thanks very much for posting the interesting photographs, it gives me a better idea what to look for when we finally get around to going up to Penmachno $thanx$
As for Machno Terrace on Conway Mountain you mention, I have got a list of items regarding Joseph to look for from the Archive one being Draft Lease dated 17th February 1896 Joseph Hughes of Nant Nr Conway, Stonemason. 2 pieces of ground on road from Waen to the Town Mountain together with 9 dwellings theron for the term of 75 years £810. GB2008 CD4/33/32/4. There are several other Draft Mortgages amongst other things taken out in this area by Joseph, so I'm looking forward to finding out what it's all about.
So pleased to hear you are out & about again, so your back must be a lot better.
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Hi Meleri, just to clarify something, Joseph's house is No 3 with the brown UPVC door and is on the left as you approach the village from the Betws y Coed direction. What's strange about Llewelyn Street is that there are a number of terraced cottages there and each terrace has a different name. I found out by asking at a house and when I got to Cwm Penmachno I was lucky enough to meet the postman on his round, but even he didn't know one or two places on the list I had
The main street has double yellow lines all along it but I parked my car opposite the Capel Salem. The family grave is straight ahead but slightly left as you walk through the gate but is quite distinctive by the metal chain that goes around the plot.
Good luck with your research on Joseph, it'll be interesting to hear anything that you find. My back is a lot better but walking is still limited and I'm certainly not fit enough to tackle those hills behind Cwm Penmachno. They are steep, very, very steep.
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Meleri, I've recently had a contact from someone whose ancestor was Ellen Davies. She has made contact with me as we share 2 pieces of DNA
I have only done a little research on my own family and that is just through the direct line of the Hughes' and the only Davies I have come across is Grace Davies who you mentioned lived in Penmachno.
Without going to any trouble, do you know offhand about an Ellen Davies?
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No Hugo I'm afraid I don't know of an Ellen Davies. Perhaps she was a relative of Grace Davies who was my Great X3 Grandmother. Grace was born 1814 in Penmachno & passed away 1/1/1884. Do you know when this Ellen Davies was born etc? I haven't been able to go back any further to look for Grace's family as she was married when the 1841 Census was taken & living with her husband Evan.
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Thanks very much for that info Meleri, I haven't got any info at all about Ellen Davies other than that she was the G Grandmother of the person who contacted me and that the G Grandmother came from N Wales.
I have replied saying that I don't have any info about Ellen Davies so unless I hear from her again then there is nothing I can help her with.
After I posted the message to you I remembered that I have relatives called Davies from my mother's side who lived in Llandudno but I know very little about them. My mother's maiden name was Hughes before she married my father so what little research I have done is only in the direct line of the Hughes family
That DNA that I did with My Heritage has revealed that I have over 12,000 distant relatives on their system and from time to time I get e-mails from people all over the world who share some of my DNA
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That sounds interesting Hugo I have often thought about getting the DNA test. Perhaps I will drop a few hints with the family & someone will buy it me for Christmas.
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I think that it would make an ideal present for Christmas and I'm sure that you'll be pleased with what follows
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I noticed the article in the Daily Post recently and it reminded me about something my father said to me many years ago. He said that his Taid Joseph Hughes carved an inscription on the lintel of the fireplace at the Eagles Hotel in Penmachno
Joseph was a Mason and was living in Penmachno at the time, A few years ago on a visit to Penmachno I popped into the pub and took a photo of the fireplace
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/popular-pub-hostel-secluded-eryri-27225395