Even Hughes

[anneelaine]

Hello,
Looking into Even Hughes, born  Eglwys-Fach, 1848,death Llandudno 1930, mentone house lived on the corner ,  Abbey road Llandudno ,  he was a builder.
 looking into who is father & mother were
  and see if I am going on the right path.
AE .

[Helig]

There is an Evan Hughes on the 1851 census in Eglwys-Fach. He is aged 3 years. The household comprises:

Thomas Hughes, Head, married, age 33, Ag Lab, born Eglwys-Fach.
Elizabeth Hughes, wife, age 34, Ag Lab's wife, born Eglwys-Fach.
Harriett Hughes, daughter, age 10, Scholar. Born Eglwys- Fach.
John Hughes, son, age 7, Scholar, born Eglwys-Fach.
Elizabeth Hughes, daughter, age 4, born Eglwys-Fach.
Evan Hughes, son, age 3, born Eglwys-Fach.
Mary Hughes, daughter, age 2 months, born Eglwys-Fach.

I am struggling to read the name of their house.

Evan Hughes is in the township of Brognod, Eglwys-Fach in the 1861 census. He is shown as age 13, a Farm Servant in the household of John Thomas, Farmer of 30 acres, at Maes Adda, Eglwys-Fach. Evan is shown as born Eglwys-Fach.

Helig

[anneelaine]

Thank you so much, if its the right family Catharine Hughes was born  1859  Eglwys-Fach, my great grandmother.

[DVT]

The house name that that Hugo couldn't decipher is Bryn Pwll Budr (which I think translates as hill of the muddy pool!) which is actually a group of houses and the area is now known as Brymbo, this is the small hamlet just as you approach Eglwysbach from the north.

Brognod is actually Bodnod, the name of the township back then.  Bodnant Hall was originally called Bodnod Hall (renamed by Henry Pochin when he bought it in 1874), the nucleus of the township.

Maes Adda farm still exists (OS Map 116/808720) and I have distant links to the Thomas family that were there when Evan Hughes was one of the servants!

Anneelaine ... do you have any info of Evans's parents, especially Thomas Hughes (born 1818) - he would be your great-great-grandfather.

I am wondering if he could be a brother of William Hughes (born 1807) who is my great-great-grandfather, with wife Anne Davies had a daughter Catherine Hughes (b1839-1915) who is my great-grandmother, she was married to Ezekiel Thomas.  I know it's a long shot but, looking through Eglwysbach records of that time, there were very few Hughes families.

[anneelaine]

DVT, what was William Hughes (born 1807) what was his fathers name please, I have a name But!!!
Thanks AE

[Helig]

In the 1841 census in Eglwys Fach. Bodnod, Thomas Hughes can be found in what could be the same residence he was in on the 1861 census. The entry reads:

Brynpwlldwr

Thomas Hughes, age 24, Ag Lab, born in same county.
Elizabeth Hughes, age 24 born in same county.
Jane Davies, age 4, born in same county.

In 1861 they are still living in Bodnod, Eglwys Fach. This time they are residing at 2 Pen y Ffordd. The entry reads:

Thomas Hughes, Head, married, age 41, Labourer.
Elizabeth Hughes, wife, age 43.
Mary Hughes, daughter, age 10.
Phoebe Hughes, daughter, age 5.
Catherine Hughes, daughter age 2.

All born Eglwys Fach.

A few doors down in Cil Llidiant, there is a Mary Hughes, head, age 76, widow. She was born Llandrillo, Caernarfonshire.

I just wondered if there was a connection.

Helig

[anneelaine]

Thank you .Mmmm who is Jane Davies, age 4, born in same county. Eglwys Fach.
Mary Hughes, head, age 76, widow. She was born Llandrillo,This rings a bell But  why
I have  had a look ,and it comes up with what I have had before but dismisses,
First name(s)   Mary
Last name   Hughes
Birth year   1785
Birth date   ? ? 1785
Baptism year   1785
Baptism date   31 Jul 1785
Place   Llandrillo
County   Merionethshire
Country   Wales
Father's first name(s)   John
Mother's first name(s)   Mary
So this could be my Gt,Gt great Aunt
So I am back to Davies with my uncle wife not Roberts Oh dear.

[anneelaine]

Hi,guys
I do not know so mixed up now.
AE

[Cambrian]

Just a thought which might enable further researches.  The reference to Llandrillo, Caernarvonshire, could well be Llandrillo yn Rhos.  The township of Eirias in this parish was actually in Caernarvonshire being a detached part of that county before being absorbed into the Colwyn Bay and Colwyn authority.

If Mary was born in the Eirias township, roughly centered on the present Fire Station, she could have been described as born in Llandrillo,  Caernarvonshire.

[anneelaine]

 
Helig,
Looking at it now ,you have the only info ,that I know about ,so up to then its right
The guy Even Hughes that's lived in Llandudno may not be the right Even Hughes
            I need to look at it all again from 1841
1861 Catherine Hughes, daughter age 2 this is my great gran.
DNA says Harriett Hughes, daughter, age 10, Scholar. Born Eglwys- Fachhat  also right because I have found her gt gt granddaughter, we meet up for coffee but she knows as much as me, DNA says we are 3 times removed
so both lost.
AE

[DVT]

Hi anneelaine ...

... I did get your e-mail message so will answer in this posting.  I cannot connect your Hughes family to mine but I do suspect they are linked pre 1830 as there are only a couple of Hughes families in Eglwysbach, going by the info I can see.

...anyway, looking at the 1841 census - the house named Bryn Pwll Budr is actually three different residences, I suspect a terrace.  You asked about Jane Davies who was living with Thomas and Elizabeth Hughes.  In one of the three houses there is a Davies family - William and Ann with their children William (6), Elizabeth (10), Mary (9) and Anne (3).  I suspect those houses would have been small so I wonder if Jane was their daughter but living "next door".  I have no proof of that, so it's a guess.

... in 1851 at the same address you have Thomas and Elizabeth, now with their own children Harriet (10), John (7), Elizabeth (4), Evan (3) and Mary (2 months).

... in 1861 the Hughes's are at 2 Pen-y-Ffordd.  Looking at the original census Pen-y-Fordd is listed next to 3 Bryn Pwll Budr, so it may be that extra houses were built and they had moved just a few yards.  Thomas and Elizbaeth's family now comprises Mary (now 10), Ann ( Phoebe (5) and Catherine (2).  Evan, as you had previously found, was a servant in Maes Adda.

... so to 1871, and I have found a family in Madoc Street, Llandudno.  There is Thomas Hughes (aged 50, born 1821), Elizabeth (45, 1826) with Ann (17, 1854), Phoebe (14, 1857) and Catherine (12, 1855).  Although the parents ages are a bit out to previous info it is fairly certain this is the correct fmaily, Thomas is a labourer and they were all born in Eglwysbach.

... in 1881 I can find, at 43 Madoc Street Phoebe (age 24) and Catherine (age 22) as the only residents.  Phoebe is shown as housekeeper, Catherine is a teacher.

... in 1891 Phoebe is still at 43 Madoc Street, single, lodging housekeeper, the only other resident is Edward Sutton, a 15-year-old Grocer's Assistant.  I cannot find Catherine in 1891 but she may have married and changed name.

Looking uo baptisms in Eglwysbach I have found Thomas Hughes, baptized 6 April 1817, son of John Hughes and Mary Jones of Coed Golau.  I can also find another child, Anne, baptised 26 December 1814, daughter of John and Mary.

Hope there is something new for you there, and not more confusion.

Regards

Dave

[anneelaine]

Dave , thanks for that,
I was thinking that, will put them back on tree, so   Thomas  did leave  all his money to Even, When I looked at his will 1879
 so the Even I was on about looks like it was right  ,so that's good
 Catherine, in 1891 is now Davies husband Owen Davies my great grandfather & mother
Did not have Ann down, so will see what I can find.
Thanks AE  Thank you all.