One thing emerges loud and clear to me from the last few postings on this thread.There is a Facebook Group for the Victoria Pier Pressure Group here:
That being, that is has gone very quiet indeed since the ''packed out'' meetings of earlier this year.
Is it a case of, ''yes we all care .... but no we don't want to do anything'' ... or is it.. ''we don't actually know what to do'' !!
There are a lot of rheorical questions, about why didn't Steve Hunt do a certain thing, or why don't CCBC do another thing ....but truth told, Dave is absolutely right... it will be too late in the near future, and the bill for regeneration will go from a couple of million, to a fundamental re-build of £20m.
Maybe thats what CCBC are hoping for, in the same way Anwyl behaved over the Pen Morfa hotel.
Did the 2 groups formed to save the Pier ever commit to a newsletter?, or other form of ongoing information? Because if they did, I must have missed every months instalment. Come on guys, what (if anything) is happening?? We will join in and contribute, if we know what we are working towards.
Cast iron generally has a better resistance to corrosion than wrought iron and steel; this is due to its high carbon content (5%) and crystalline microstructure including flakes of graphite.
If anyone is interested in the condition of Hastings Pier structure, here is the report:
http://www.hastings.gov.uk/news/pier_structural_appraisal_b.pdf (http://www.hastings.gov.uk/news/pier_structural_appraisal_b.pdf)
Organised squatters?Even squatters would think twice before staying there in its current state! :o
Just remembered I have the structural survey for Colwyn Bay Pier that was done last year - I know that Fester will enjoy reading it! :)
Just needs a bit of paint! :o
Maybe that van is the previous owner moving his stuff out? ?{}?
Hi there,£100k!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o They must be dreaming; that's what Steve Hunt paid for the Pier originally when it was fully operational, not a boarded up wreck like it is now. Yeh, they need to revise their estimates downwards...by about £99,999!
There is a more recent survey that has been completed. I think the council where given it last week as they paid for it... or is that us lol? Not sure when it is made public though but i do know it is much more indepth and the figures are not 'guestemets' like the 2009 report.
Also the numbers that are on the cards with RPG seem to be about £100K! That seems a little far fetched to me! Maybe when they see what the surveyors report says they will rethink their prices and they could pay somebody to take the pier off their hands!
Ah well... we shall see!
SCMP
How tidy it all looked back then.I can't get over the size of the pavillion it looks huge.
In the Weekly News, it says that CCBC are going to pay for the entire beach part of the pier to be fenced off due to the potential danger from falling debris. It's worth mentioning that Cllr John Oddy urged them to do that strongly last year but they didn't consider it necessary then. I walked under the pier back then and there was a small piece of a girder that weighed maybe 20kg or more just hanging in mid air, so loosely attached that it was swaying in the breeze! :o Incredibly dangerous.
In the Weekly News, it says that CCBC are going to pay for the entire beach part of the pier to be fenced off due to the potential danger from falling debris. It's worth mentioning that Cllr John Oddy urged them to do that strongly last year but they didn't consider it necessary then. I walked under the pier back then and there was a small piece of a girder that weighed maybe 20kg or more just hanging in mid air, so loosely attached that it was swaying in the breeze! :o Incredibly dangerous.
I remember the photo's you took. Must have been risky to take them.Not really, mate.... _))*
No-one ever went to Morecambe after about 1985 though, whereas the prom at Colwyn Bay is packed in the Summer and busy on nice weekends in the Winter (even though there is very little to do there at present). I'd lay a tenner that the pier will be restored rather than demolished. D)
We still have a tenner riding on Gwynt-y-Mor don't we Dave? WWWWe do indeed, mate. What do you reckon? $hands$
*innocently* You've not commented on this one yet, Trojan? $bounce$
But you can see straight away that the existing wind turbines look nothing like that portrayed in the SOS mockup? ¢¢##
Imminent announcement, mate.
they could be entering into a massive liability without thinking it through properly first.
I have a lot of time for Jason Weyman.
I have an affinity with Colwyn Bay Pier..
But for the life in me, I have no idea what Jason's last posting on this subject means.
All I can see is ...''something is going on, and I can't tell you''
Fester you are in a right.
Should I discuss exempt info I will then be breaking the Code of Conduct and the problems that will bring.
That is also true of the Masons. In a different way. This is another elite group who meet and discuss matters of some importance (I imagine) and once again its all in secret and clandestine.I doubt they discuss anything of any importance? It's for a group of middle aged men to puff up their chests, carry around briefcases and gain a respite from their wives. No, I think you attach far too much importance to them...
my own preferred option would be for CCBC to acquire it, then pass it on immediately to the Pier Pressure Group,
My mother gets a mention $good$$good$
process of seeking finding (from the Assembly?) to secure substantial finance for the purchaseHow so? The Consultants Report said it was worth...precisely nothing. Our own calculations indicated the same. A nominal amount paid to the Receivers should be all that is required.
BBC News last night said it would take four million to make it right. So pull it down if the council can't afford essential serviceds it certainly can't afford thisThe Council isn't paying for the repairs, it would be up to the Pier Group to apply for funding. But, if action isn't taken, CCBC would be liable for the cost of demolition, which is £1m+.
Steve Hunt's latest email:
"A quick update on the latest news from Victoria Pier, Colwyn Bay...
Surprise surprise, the Council has this morning gone back on everything they said at the recent meeting between us which was hosted by David Jones, MP, and are still trying to do some back-hand deal with RPG (the Insolvency Practitioners who are supposed to be looking after the pier), to buy the pier and 'cut me out' altogether. Not a terribly wise move - but hey, it is YOUR money they are wasting to desperately try and cover up their tangled web of crimes and corruption, not their own.
Are they paying staff to stand there 24 hours a day? ???I think its just the Seaboard Inspector who keeps an eye on the Waterskiers, so probably only daylight hours. I walked right under the end of the pier to take some photos and they didn't say anything to me but they stopped two lads on the beach nearer the Prom and told them to leave.
Hmm....I think he meant that Steve Hunt had been airbrushed out of the process.... :laugh:
I met Steve Hunt once, about 3 years ago. He was very upset about a grievance over his rates, and he really bent my ear about it. But, if everybody who has a grievance about their rates went on hunger strike, Asda food would go bust
Well ITV have just pulled up out side the pier with Steve hunt there, he's got the front door open as well.
Steve Hunt's Tweets have started to get a little more ominous:
So the corrupt Conwy Council have decided they want to buy the pier... No surprises there then...
If they think they can just do that, boy are they in for a surprise! ... I'm not going anywhere :o)
I'd better tell the Pier Group to order some extra Dettol...
I too have decided to go on Hunger Strike...Think about what you're saying man! You'll be a virtual skeleton..........................................in about 5 years. :laugh:
L0L _))* you are mean Dave snigger sniggerI too have decided to go on Hunger Strike...Think about what you're saying man! You'll be a virtual skeleton..........................................in about 5 years. :laugh:
Steve Hunt's latest Twitter revelation:
"on 10th May 2011, £577.09 was stolen from the "Friends of the Pier" bank account. Will be reported to Police in morning."
Once I've opened a box of Maltesers, I have to finish them - there is no other option. :laugh:
Does anyone else think that Steve Hunt's ramblings and accusations are getting out of hand and it's only a matter of time before he does something really stupid.I said exactly that to Fester yesterday.
That's only there so you don't feel a greedyOnce I've opened a box of Maltesers, I have to finish them - there is no other option. :laugh:
Indeed !! The most pointless invention EVER, is that sticky strip with which you are supposed to RE-SEAL a bag of maltesers (or revels, or buttons etc) ... it can never be used, once the bag is open, they are gone!
Does anyone else think that Steve Hunt's ramblings and accusations are getting out of hand and it's only a matter of time before he does something really stupid. Methinks the police should bring him in for questioning and if necessary complete a psychiatric assessment. $walesflag$
My hunger strike went very well today (after my Wetherspoons breakfast)
I even went to the gym tonight too, to accelerate the weight loss process. All designed to put additional pressure on CCBC.
I saw Born to Run there.
However, on the way home I noticed that Fat Cat's were offering a free cocktail with the 2 course meal deal, so of course it would have been rude not to support this worthy local business. Chicken Caesar salad and a steak can't be THAT much of a problem surely?
All is back on track now, and if I can ignore this giant bag of Maltesers, then once again I shall go to bed hungry.
That Pier will be mine in no time....
DaveR said: Went past Colwyn Bay Pier earlier today, no sign of Steve Hunt:
I went past this afternoon and thought I saw him hiding behind a lamp-post. :D
You are all so obsessed by Mr Hunt, that you seem to have forgotten about my hunger strike...
My suffering shall not be in vain... you'll all be sorry when I'm gone! :laugh:
Ha ha... yes... you will actually find me there tomorrow aftenoon...well, you wont because you are thousands of miles away!
Quote Dave R "No sign of Steve Hunt" So, Hunt a bit more OOOhhhhh
Ha ha... yes... you will actually find me there tomorrow aftenoon...well, you wont because you are thousands of miles away!
Hopefully the advice was "give up, seek psychiatric help, and seek this help preferably well away from Colwyn Bay and Wales. Get out and stay out!" $good$
I think that in some way Mr Hunt has to be admired.You have to be kidding. He took over a pier which had undergone significant renovation work by the previous owners, the Paxmans, and managed to run it into the ground. His problems are all of his own making, unfortunately.
I think that in some way Mr Hunt has to be admired.You have to be kidding. He took over a pier which had undergone significant renovation work by the previous owners, the Paxmans, and managed to run it into the ground. His problems are all of his own making, unfortunately.
And I think I've mentioned previously who my mother is. So now you may understand my point of view. $angry$
And I think I've mentioned previously who my mother is. So now you may understand my point of view. $angry$Very understandable.
And I think I've mentioned previously who my mother is. So now you may understand my point of view. $angry$
I think it's fairly obvious that her Mum is Penny Davies, who has been the subject of some unwarranted unpleasantness from Steve Hunt.
And I think I've mentioned previously who my mother is. So now you may understand my point of view. $angry$
Her is a he
Well it is not obvious to me.
The bizarre world of online media...!
Nemesis is a bird, and Poppy is a bloke........ well, who knew!!
Fester, I hope your faculties are not too clouded to give us the eagerly awaited result of your weigh-in? This hunger strike is a serious business and the world (or at least the Forum) needs to know how you're getting on!
After my strenuous hunger strike of over a week now, I weighed myself yesterday, and interestingly I had put TWO POUNDS ON!
I can only put this down to my body going into 'starvation mode'
Obviously it is trying desperately to cling on to any shred of energy and nutrition that remains.
Could water retention be another possibility?
Conwy’s cabinet voted last week to obtain the freehold from trustees in bankruptcy Royce Peeling Green before leasing it to the Shore Thing social enterprise group to manage.
Some scaffolding with planking would probably look better than the present pier._))*
In these PC days of Health & Safety at work it probably wouldn't be allowed to do it that way & scaffolding would probably be demanded owing to the height of the pier. Surely before painting they would need to shotblast the old paint/rust etc.. to check the state of the base metal & apply a decent undercoat otherwise it wouldn't last 5 minutes in such wet & salty conditions.
In these PC days of Health & Safety at work it probably wouldn't be allowed to do it that way & scaffolding would probably be demanded owing to the height of the pier. Surely before painting they would need to shotblast the old paint/rust etc.. to check the state of the base metal & apply a decent undercoat otherwise it wouldn't last 5 minutes in such wet & salty conditions.
No, an old plank is all you need... :laugh:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5167388838_10739311b0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5167388838/)
Llandudno (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5167388838/#) by davidrobertsphotography (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
That news article was incorrect, the decision to buy the Pier was taken at a Full Meeting of Council and the vote was 31 - 1 in favour of buying the Pier. So maybe those 'worried Councillors' weren't worried enough to either attend or vote against the proposal?
Not sure they're all paid, other than expenses. I know the cabinet are.
A legal notice has been sellotaped to the front doors of Colwyn Bay Pier, announcing the date for the hearing to allow the sale to CCBC:
The Pier may need to be classified a Local Nature Reserve at this rate!
What a fantastic picture, Dave.Thanks !
Dave,We were always going to have to pay for it, John! You know as well as I do that Hunt carried out no repairs to the substructure of the pier while he owned it. I have the photos, showing how poor a condition it was in before it closed. It was only a matter of time before it was closed on safety grounds and the burden fell onto the taxpayer to sort the mess out.
Basically because it may not have been the most moral option but, as far as the tax payer is concerned it would have been the cheapest.
People have allowed personalities to cloud their judgements, I've just blogged about it, but because someone "got the hump" we are all now going to have to pay for it!
I have to say i also find his casual racism rather distasteful:
"Most of all it needs a council that doesn't have a personal/political vendetta against successive English owners."
&shake&
And - to be technical - I suspect it's really casual Nationalism. Those born in England or Wales are actually the same species, Dave….
:twoface: :twoface: :twoface:
I was involved many years ago as a student in Bangor in refurbishing that pier and we collected £1 per plank, also repainted it, so hoped to replicate this with regard to the sad sight that used to be our lovely pier.
I wouldn't like to think that we created something that was not sustainable and that our children and grandchildren would be facing the same problems in another 50 years!
A spokeswoman said: “A significant amount of rubbish has been cleared from the site and efforts are being made to safeguard the important listed aspects of the pier, which are vulnerable.”Yeh, looks like it: :laugh:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/07/06/fresh-lottery-bid-for-colwyn-bay-pier-revamp-55578-31335033/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/07/06/fresh-lottery-bid-for-colwyn-bay-pier-revamp-55578-31335033/)
But it also serves as a warning that enacting CPOs is certainly not the easy option many seem to think it is.
But it also serves as a warning that enacting CPOs is certainly not the easy option many seem to think it is.
This wasn't a CPO though rather a dispute following Mr Hunt's bankruptcy.
But it also serves as a warning that enacting CPOs is certainly not the easy option many seem to think it is.
This wasn't a CPO though rather a dispute following Mr Hunt's bankruptcy.
Hey Gaylord! Nice to see you finally got around to posting.... keep 'em coming! $good$
I am sorry to say this because I admire anyone who "has a go" at doing virtually anything but ------ Steve Hunt should have given up the fight years and years ago. All this has done is drag out the outcome, and involved lots of wasted money on all sides. Yours and mine as well through local taxes which have been wasted.Exactly. $good$
Yes, Steve and his Mother have lost money as well, but this prolonged battle was their own fault.
it seams that piers are in the news well and truly south parade pier in portsmouth where i live is going up for auxtion next mounth the owners it seems are going to do a runnerGuide Price £190k - 210k. Amazing.
Bad news about Steve Hunt arising again. I thought this had been well and truly put to bed. In view of the fact he obviously haven't got that sort of money' cannot the legal system say "look. You go ahead and appeal yet again. But this time you pay xxx amount of cash up front to finance it. Lose, and you lose your cash." why should we all go on financing this mans fantasies? Mike
A car on that pier?? Surely that's not possible... is it?
It is disgraceful how this has been left. As i was down there today i couldnt actually see anything to stop people from walking under the
Pier. Will someone be badly hurt or worse with any falling debris before SOMEBODY does something to it. That usually happens then uproar all round. &shake&
A friend of mine has done some great aerial footage of the Pier:
Colwyn Bay pier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxOdKBwTEoY#ws)
I couldn't see his car on the Pier!!!!!
Plans to restore a Grade II listed pier in north Wales have been boosted with a heritage lottery grant of nearly £600,000.
The money will be used by Conwy council to develop plans to restore Victoria Pier in Colwyn Bay to its former glory.
I am sure I am not alone in craving a view of the sea when I visit a seaside place for a meal and a drink. It is what going to the seaside is all about.
Initially, a figure of around £5m was mentioned for refurbishment of the structure and buildings, this has now increased to '£12-15m' - how can it have trebled in little more than a year?
. So why is this person trying to rewrite history and put the idea of demolition back into people's minds via the press?
the second part of the following claim seems to contradict everything I've heard:Exactly, £900,000 to find out whether to keep it or demolish it - totally and utterly ridiculous. Someone is lining their pockets here, without a doubt. The question is...who?
"The work is necessary in order to find out exactly what can be done with the structure – if it can be redeveloped or if it’s best for demolition."
Having had a look at all the figures, I wonder if it is indeed worth keeping the Pier. In my opinion the money would be better invested in a land-based all weather attraction that could be used throughout the whole year. The vagaries of the UK weather limit the amount of use one can achieve from refurbishing this rotting structure.
ZXZ
Having had a look at all the figures, I wonder if it is indeed worth keeping the Pier. In my opinion the money would be better invested in a land-based all weather attraction that could be used throughout the whole year. The vagaries of the UK weather limit the amount of use one can achieve from refurbishing this rotting structure.
ZXZ
By that logic we should demolish Alton Towers, legoland and thousands of other attractions that are limited by weather in this country. I also think opening pretty much anything in Colwyn Bay during the winter would be a loss making bonanza, just walk down the high street on a Sunday and you'll see what a terrible ghost town it really is. (Least they have trains going there though unlike Llandudno!)
I suspect that with the building of the white elephant skip, the plan all along was to demolish the pier. They just needed to manipulate the figures to make it seem that the only sensible plan is demolition! I still believe that the money wasted on the skip should have been spent on the pier! All very wrong! &shake&
Awful news! Looks like the decision is being opposed and it is grade 2 listed! Seems the Victorians built great structures and our generation let's them be demolished! &shake&
When oh when will politicians realise that they are public SERVANTS, and are elected to implement the wishes of those who voted for them.... NOT to simply ride roughshod over public opinion when things get too complicated for them.
They have spent millions creating a new eyesore that no one asked for, instead of spending that same money on restoring an eyesore that the majority wanted to keep. How can this come about?
Perhaps, just perhaps, the Councillors have taken opinions of the electorateKeep the jokes coming Yorkie, that's a goodun. _))*
Perhaps, just perhaps, the Councillors have taken opinions of the electorateKeep the jokes coming Yorkie, that's a goodun. _))*
I'll stick with the village idiot theory!
Perhaps, just perhaps, the Councillors have taken opinions of the electorateKeep the jokes coming Yorkie, that's a goodun. _))*
I am 52 and last used the facilities on a regular basis from 1978 to about 1982 when bands such as Slade, The Buzzcocks, The Enid, Magnum were in attendance in the Dixieland Showbar.
The numbers of people wanting to save the pier these days should declare the last time they last used the pier and spent money there.I was there practically every week (including the final week) whilst it was open under Hunt's ownership, as I wanted to support the Pier. However, the businesses on the pier were not well run and even I felt at times that my custom was not appreciated.
I am 52 and last used the facilities on a regular basis from 1978 to about 1982 when bands such as Slade, The Buzzcocks, The Enid, Magnum were in attendance in the Dixieland Showbar.
When Hutchinson Leisure took over it was the start of the end as the The Rhos Abbey, The Clarence Hotel and various cinemas were all in the same group and we are all still going to all of them on a regular basis!!
They didn't appreciate your custom? The acknowledged premier coffee drinker in the area*takes a bow* :laugh:
Very interesting! Seems that the council has no idea what they are doing? &shake&
Very interesting! Seems that the council has no idea what they are doing? &shake&Why does that come as absolutely no surprise, bunch of incompetents.
Yes BMD very good, I think that having built the skip they do not want any possible competition from the pier, assuming the bistro ever happens that is!I think you're right, ME.
Brilliant! _))* a cafe and a Bisto, ideal! Probably more chance of the Bisto being in there than a bistro! :laugh:
The Council may now be in the position where they have to serve a Section 215 Notice upon themselves. :laugh:But the Council can't serve a notice on themselves! If the court case goes in favour of Steve Hunt they could serve a notice on him!
http://incompetencetoday.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/joy-of-section-215.html (http://incompetencetoday.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/joy-of-section-215.html)
The Council is the owner of the Pier and they should deal with it as they would the owner of any other Listed Building that is an unsafe eyesore. Are you saying that the law should not apply to them? :oThe Council may now be in the position where they have to serve a Section 215 Notice upon themselves. :laugh:But the Council can't serve a notice on themselves! If the court case goes in favour of Steve Hunt they could serve a notice on him!
http://incompetencetoday.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/joy-of-section-215.html (http://incompetencetoday.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/joy-of-section-215.html)
"Let's face reality and bulldoze it all" (Conwy council mission statement)
Quote"Let's face reality and bulldoze it all" (Conwy council mission statement)
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The estimate of renovation work did appear to me to be well over the top - £15M when piers in other places have been saved with a lot less, but that's just me - I'm not a structural engineer or an architect so it's just an opinion.I agree. For a year or two, the figure mentioned was roughly £5m, the next it had TREBLED to £15m. In my mind, it was a clear attempt to frighten County Councillors into voting for demolition.
The steel structure is still solid...
The steel structure is still solid...
Where does that come from BDM?
The steel supports that were replaced on Llandudno Pier, as being no longer fit for purpose, were all in far better condition than anything to be found on Colwyn Bay Pier.
I was quoting the article I linked to (see my previous post in this thread) - it was a direct quote from the chap who ran Hankey construction for forty years. The good condition of the steel structural components was determined by previous structural survey, as mentioned in the council's output: "The structural appraisal completed to date indicates that the condition of the structural steel components of the Pier are better than expected." etc.
Council ref: http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000207/M00003683/$$Supp9759dDocPackPublic.pdf (http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000207/M00003683/$$Supp9759dDocPackPublic.pdf)
From what I've read in the report i.e. appendix 2 9.1 concluded that the cast-iron piles and columns supporting the Pier were structurally sound but that some elements, such as the bracing system and steel girders supporting the steel deck, were in poor condition and would require replacement.
Correct me if I'm wrong but surely that means the legs are fine but every thing else, including the bracing to support the legs, will have to be replaced. So I think to say the Steel Structure of the Pier is solid, might be construed as a trifle optimistic. :(
The Victoria Pier Pressure Group have recently published some photos of the Pier's interior. They date from 2013 but are still worth a look. http://victoriapierpressuregroup.weebly.com/ (http://victoriapierpressuregroup.weebly.com/)
I saw one of the car on there covered in bird poop, wonder if its up for sale ;)The car or the poop.
Looking at the photos, the main problem with the shoreward end building (built in 1968 as the Golden Goose Amusements by Trusthouse Forte Leisure) is the leaking roof. I remember there were leaks appearing just after Steve Hunt had finished the internal refurbishment work, the pyramid shaped fibreglass vaults (clearly visible on the photo below) on the roof must be a nightmare to keep watertight.The Victoria Pier Pressure Group have recently published some photos of the Pier's interior. They date from 2013 but are still worth a look. http://victoriapierpressuregroup.weebly.com/ (http://victoriapierpressuregroup.weebly.com/)
Well worth looking at - they've posted 127 of them on their Facebook site
$fan$ think ill give that a miss then. Thirty bob way over priced.I saw one of the car on there covered in bird poop, wonder if its up for sale ;)The car or the poop.
The car is £300 and the poop is thirty bob a bag, bring your own bag.
If the pier is demolished we will loose that amazing starling display just before dark just before they roost for the night. Or will they congregate on the Waterfront building and take the poop with them Oh dear! ???
What's to stop Shore Thing putting in a £1 bid to take it off the Council's hands?
If Shore Thing were foolish enough to contemplate doing as you suggest, in a time of austerity, when grants and outside funding are exceptionally hard to come by, they could very easily find themselves having to pay for the demolition of the Pier and for the subsequent clean up of the foreshore.I hardly think its likely they would own the Pier in their own names! A charitable Trust would probably be the ownership model used, it would own the property, not the individual members of Shore Thing.
Not something that should be contemplated without a great deal of rational forethought.
Am I right in thinking the ownership court case is on this week?? ???Postponed until August 6...the saga carries on!
North Wales Weekly News has a front-page story about the pier. There's apparently a new plan to re-submit a revised Heritage Lottery fund bid for 73% of "both the development and delivery phase".Who is submitting the revised bid, BMD? I take it that it's Shore Thing, rather than CCBC?
I hope there's something in it, although at this point I suspect the minority who have always wanted the pier demolished have won the propaganda battle (with the inflated "£15m" estimate, false dichotomies on options, general lack of vision, philistinism, double standards regarding cost & "sustainability" of Porth Eirias, etc, etc).
(There doesn't seem to be an online version at present, so no link, sorry).
Am I right in thinking the ownership court case is on this week?? ???Postponed until August 6...the saga carries on!
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Re above.? ? ? Is their a petition ? what is the feeling ? do people want it ?
As always, I'm struck with the language and philistine illogic of the people who influence these decisions.
This is sad to read: How the council is moving ahead with plans to demolish the pier: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-colwyn-bay-pier-demolition-7747026 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/look-colwyn-bay-pier-demolition-7747026)
As always, I'm struck with the language and philistine illogic of the people who influence these decisions. The way Rob Dix ("Bay Life’s regeneration officer") talks about various piers always having "struggled", you'd wonder why the Victorians built them in the first place - or why everybody loves them. I mean, they're just one big "struggle". But aren't some things worth having regardless of the "struggle"? Their answer to that seems to be "Yes" in the case of Porth Eirias, but no in the case of Victorian piers.
PIER: Conwy Council has applied for a licence to put up a security fence around Colwyn Bay's Victoria Pier for safety reasons.Safety measures stepped up at Colwyn Bay pier
Ref.DPblog8am
Ref Tom Davidson Wkly/news....DPblog
Letter to @ConwyCBC leader Cllr Dilwyn Roberts asking for assurances a business case to save Pier would be considered
11:55 AM - 14 Oct 2014
Copy of letter on Daily post live Blog...http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-north-wales-live-blog-7928695 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-north-wales-live-blog-7928695)
It would be interesting to run a poll on this forum occasionally, to see which way the wind blows on this one would be a good start !I agree..... $good$
I have added a Vote about the future of the Pier, which appears at the top of the thread. $good$In these days of "Cuts" it is difficult to justify, but with the grant, and a self sustaining system put in place (£1 per head) to visit the pier, it should work.
I would think that the idea of spending money on the "eye sore" is to restore it to something that the tourest would only be to glad to visit and so bring some more than welcome trade
My partner is about to have her contract cancelled by CCBC, because of all the cut backs, I'm finding any waste of money, whether it be the Skip or the Pier, incredibly frustrating when it could be far better utilised.
Given the latest estimates, the difference between demolition alone and having a newly refurbished basic-boardwalk pier is only £2.7m. If you subtract the cost of the project to build a replacement "focal point", the net cost of keeping the pier is even lower than that.
It's not "throwing money at" an eyesore, it's investing money in the replacement of an eyesore with a refurbished pier (rather than some abomination like The Skip).
All that went with the introduction of cheap flights and the A55 Expressway
Steve, in descending order...
1, The Amusement Arcade Revenues.
2, The rents paid by the Concessionaires.
3, The revenue from the Pier's own concessions... (Ice Cream, Cafe, Bar)
Another thing confuse me. How has this post got where it is seeing as it was sent sometime around 8 this morning and all the earlier (i e before this one) posts were around miday?
QuoteAnother thing confuse me. How has this post got where it is seeing as it was sent sometime around 8 this morning and all the earlier (i e before this one) posts were around miday?
The time stamp on your post says 08:49:49 PM, Mike. Any chance you made a mistake?
The story of Britain’s piers is a story of
challenge, crisis and renewal. So, I welcome
this report that looks at the co-operative
model and the promise of community
ownership. It tells the inspiring story of
Hastings Pier.
http://www.uk.coop/sites/storage/public/downloads/peoples_piers.pdf (http://www.uk.coop/sites/storage/public/downloads/peoples_piers.pdf)
Fester must have a better idea about the financial viability of piers than most of us and I agree, I think entrance fees would be a disastrous move for all the businesses there that's why they scrapped them in the first place.
I would like to pose this question to Fester though.
I haven't a clue how much you pay to have a concession on the pier and don't need to know, however, if Colwyn Bay's pier was renovated and you were offered the opportunity of have a retail outlet there at the same price as Llandudno's would you take it ?
In addition,if it's going to cost upwards of £5,000,000 to renovate and still in all probability remain within the councils ownership, do you think the rents from potential rentals would provide enough income to service the loan debt ?
69% of Britons have visited a pier in recent years..... recent....how recent ? The UK population is 64m, that means 44m have visited but as only 6m visit piers each year doesn't that mean one visit every 7+ years and that assumes that there are no multiple visits?
sort a decent railway line out from Liverpool and you'd have a lot more day trippers.
I see your point, MM, but pier restoration money would come from the Heritage Lottery Fund, rather than CCBC, so it's not a case of 'either or'.I would think that the idea of spending money on the "eye sore" is to restore it to something that the tourest would only be to glad to visit and so bring some more than welcome trade
If you think that spending £10m in that bomb site is money well spent, then so be it.
My partner is about to have her contract cancelled by CCBC, because of all the cut backs, I'm finding any waste of money, whether it be the Skip or the Pier, incredibly frustrating when it could be far better utilised.
If it can be restored without any cost to CCBC, then it should be restored, no question....but is it really that simple? Unless it is self sustaining, then it well may be another drain on CCBC funds in future.Yes, private businesses are not eligible for Lottery funding.
How can CCBC get funding from the a fore mentioned funds, when the previous owner didn't/couldn't?
Was it due to it being a private enterprise, and any CCBC plan would be a 'not for profit' type scheme?
Q. Is the Heritage Lottery Fund a bottomless pit ?Pretty much! The Fund is continually topped up through the sterling efforts of Lottery players. :laugh: It has about £375m to spend every year.
As much as I'd like the pier back there are surely better causes for the lottery fund to be spent on than a pier for old people to walk down.Ask Fester what the ratio is between old and young visiting piers,....during my recent visit, I thought it was a good mix of ages,.... and as for CB pier and the new beach and Porth Eiris , that area is surely gearing up for young families.
it'll be a boost to local economy therefore it should be locally funded
Apologies - after looking at their website I see compared to some of the other rubbish they fund the pier is quite worthy
http://www.hlf.org.uk/our-projects/gloucester-rugby-football-club-community-heritage-project (http://www.hlf.org.uk/our-projects/gloucester-rugby-football-club-community-heritage-project)
how can anyone expect to generate enough income to maintain the place to avoid its deteriorationI imagine you will be applying the same argument to the Porth Eirias building. :laugh:
If the pier had an entrance fee. Let's say £1No successful Pier has an admission charge, the key is to have free admission, with a range of revenue generating facilities and attractions to provide the cash needed to fund ongoing maintenance.
Who here would pay to go on it.
I have to say I probably wouldn't be too quick to shell out 4 quid for me and my family to spend half an hour walking on a pier, and I don't think that many other people would.
So how can it sustain itself?
I am coming around to the idea, that we are focusing on the pier, when we should be considering the bigger picture, there is a lot of talk about the resurgence of stay at home holidays, figures say the numbers are increasing, the government is spending millions on regenerating coastal resorts, as is private enterprise, look at Llandudno, two major redevelopment hotels, costing ten million each, they do not spend that amount on a whim, the smaller hotels, some of the best in the country, are upgrading and expanding. etc etc.I agree, and where the Pier can play a major part in the regeneration is by providing:
North Wales as a whole is a top destination, Llandudno has the accommodation, Conwy has the castle and Colwyn Bay .........
The cost of regeneration between Old Colwyn and Rhos point when finished is estimated at £100,000,000. after taking off the sea defence costs, you have....
Parc Eirias...sport and culture...Porth Eirias....new beach and watersports centre..and a two mile improved prom.
Parc Eirias is a draw, but not a tourist attraction, that leaves Porth Eirias and the Prom. and I think we have to build on what is there, and the money already spent, without "an Attraction" you are left with "The Skip", which brings us back to the pier, I now believe, not only, that it has to be saved, but more needs to be done in that area to make Colwyn Bay/Rhos a serious tourist attraction.
I had been looking at other seaside resort attractions, for ideas, found some big and small potential projects, when I noticed our poll, the number of votes to demolish it are growing, it made me think what will happen To C.B. without tourist input, businesses (shops restaurants jobs etc.) will not invest in the town.I agree. If they can attract HLF funding for the renovation, then what's not to like about keeping it? CCBC should not have been so hasty to buy it if they didn't want to keep it.
The majority of successful resorts have a pier as the focal point of their "town",.... the "town" as a whole reaps the benefits,......C.B. has a pier and has had £100,000,000 spent around it, if we do not to take advantage of this opportunity, I feel the town will lose out, remember it's not just the pier.
No successful Pier has an admission charge, the key is to have free admission, with a range of revenue generating facilities and attractions to provide the cash needed to fund ongoing maintenance.
BMD, ...Your words..."the potential of the pier to restore the town." Perfect wording this is not about saving the pier, it is about saving Colwyn Bay.....I have said before it is no longer a holiday resort, but the potential to draw short term visitors and day trippers is right there, to build on whats been done already.
Without tourism what else is going to bring money to the town?
What's interested me is that out of the 32 members to vote only just over half think the entire pier should be renovated....but a clear majority of 65% think that the pier should be renovated in some form, with at least £5m being spent.
I should have pointed out that CVPT are quoting estimates of " £6.3m to restore both pier and pavilion structure with private investment for the interior fit out as a cafe/restaurant, creative workspace and public art platform based on the fun palace ideas of Joan Littlewood."..What's interested me is that out of the 32 members to vote only just over half think the entire pier should be renovated....but a clear majority of 65% think that the pier should be renovated in some form, with at least £5m being spent.
I should have pointed out that CVPT are quoting estimates of " £6.3m to restore both pier and pavilion structure with private investment for the interior fit out as a cafe/restaurant, creative workspace and public art platform based on the fun palace ideas of Joan Littlewood."..That sounds like a far more realistic figure than the 'pie in the sky' figure of £15m that appeared out of nowhere last year.
http://www.theguardian.com/stage/joan-littlewood
I'm sure everyone on the Forum wishes them the best of luck with seeing the Pier restored. $good$
I should have pointed out that CVPT are quoting estimates of " £6.3m to restore both pier and pavilion structure with private investment for the interior fit out."..
How do you vote? Is there a link somewhere please?Hi Viv, The only vote is the forum vote above.
Phoo-- I can't see anyone getting permission to open a restaurant so near to Porth Erias!!!! :-X
I should have pointed out that CVPT are quoting estimates of " £6.3m to restore both pier and pavilion structure with private investment for the interior fit out as a cafe/restaurant, creative workspace and public art platform based on the fun palace ideas of Joan Littlewood."..That sounds like a far more realistic figure than the 'pie in the sky' figure of £15m that appeared out of nowhere last year.
http://www.theguardian.com/stage/joan-littlewood
I'm sure everyone on the Forum wishes them the best of luck with seeing the Pier restored. $good$
Please don't include me in your 'everybody'.
Please don't include me either!
Phoo-- I can't see anyone getting permission to open a restaurant so near to Porth Erias!!!! :-X
First come first served... :) ....But I say the more the merrier, restaurants have become good attractions. $good$
They are currently finalising a new Heritage Lottery fund bid with a deadline of 30th nov.2014
How do you vote? Is there a link somewhere please?Hi Viv, The only vote is the forum vote above.
How about a poll with the option of demolition of the skip? WWWWhat a good idea!
Thanks for that, DaveR. $good$Yes well done, gives every one the chance to put their point of view forward, in the community survey section, and the opportunity for those in favour to show their support by joining CVPT.
Just go up to the first posting in the topic and place your vote in there.
In due respect to Viv, I don't think it is as easy as that Ian, I stumbled around a bit before placing my vote. For the uninitiated, it's not always obvious where you 'click' to place your vote.
Fester "stumbled around a bit".I suspect it may have been... :laugh:
Was this after the visit to Conway ?
I once met Steve Hunt around about 8 years ago when he was still running the pier. I was subjected to a nonstop verbal assault directed at Conwy council. I more or less agreed with parts of what he was saying, but after an hour or so I had heard enough to last me a lifetime.Absolutely right, Mike. It's very apparent now that the future of the Pier itself is of no interest to him; it's purely a battle between himself and CCBC.
Since then we have never met but, of course, I've followed all his manoeuvres in and out of court and become more and more disenchanted with him and his schemes as time has passed.
Why in Heaven,s name cannot someone start some sort of proceedings that results in Mr Hunt paying for all these legal schnanigans out of his own no doubt empty pocket. Win or Loose. Mr hunt pays.
Then perhaps we might all be able to move forward
I do not believe a single word of this.
So, what exactly is the new report cited by the recent Pioneer article ("recent independent report stating that 75 per of the structural parts have either visibly failed or have corroded so much they no longer provide the strength required.") - and where can it be accessed and scrutinised?
CCBC's Ridiculous Ideas Department have come up with a new idea for Colwyn Bay Pier
What does Lottery grant funding have to do with politics?Hopefully, nothing. Just a nonsense rule that is in place.
There will never be any shortage of breeze-block and steel/glass buildings being 'thrown' up.
But, there will never, ever be any Victorian iron piers built again.
What a tragic and destructive era we are now living in. :'( &shake& &shake&
Conwy County Council will seek to pull down Colwyn Bay’s Victoria Pier at its planning meeting on Wednesday.
What a right shower of Sh??te we have on ccbc ,do they reckon that is the way they get round the listed building thing leaving the stantions there .
I have mentioned this before. I fail to understand this cost of pulling down.Now I read that a floating pontoon is suggested. In case any of you do not know at low tide the pier is completely out of the sea.I agree Mike, the price of scrap these days, they should pay us.
Compare that to the old Rhos pier. The end section of that was well and truly in the sea all the time. But no pontoon there to help pulling it down. And the puller downer PAID a tidy sum of money for the privilege of being allowed to scrap it.
I know that was around fifty years ago but, have things changed that much?
Plans for substantial demolition of Colwyn Bay pier to be discussed at Conwy County Council planning meeting today.
Plans for substantial demolition of Colwyn Bay pier to be discussed at Conwy County Council planning meeting today.
Consent to demolish Colwyn Bay Pier refused by Welsh Government:Now CCBC really has a problem on their hands, and it's one which many people predicted would happen. They are liable to repair the Pier as its owner, so they need to work with the Pier Trust to obtain Lottery funding. Something that they should have done in the first place!
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/154053/consent-to-demolish-colwyn-bay-pier-refused-by-welsh-government.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/154053/consent-to-demolish-colwyn-bay-pier-refused-by-welsh-government.aspx)
Key quote:
In the conclusion of his report, Mr Sargeant said: "It is my view that the proposed demolition has not been fully justified while there remains the unexplored possibility of retaining more of the pier structure than currently proposed.
"Notwithstanding the dispute over the ownership of the site, the Conwy County Borough Council has assumed responsibility over the pier.
"Being a public body, they are under a duty to act in the public interest . This status also allows it to access funding routes not normally available to commercial operators."
We walked along Colwyn Bay Prom the other day and I was thinking how dull the seafront would look without the pier. I can't help but think that future generations will scratch their heads in disbelief that we allowed the pier to be demolished, whilst at the same time spending many millions on building a white elephant like Porth Eirias.
Campaign group chairman unveils new plan to save Colwyn Bay PierSounds promising; let's hope Mr Roberts is able to push the pier project forward out of the mire in which it has sunk...
THE HEAD of a Colwyn Bay campaign group has unveiled a new plan to save the town's Victoria Pier.
Mark Roberts, who took over as chairman of the Colwyn Bay Victoria Pier Trust at the group's AGM this month, said he will push for the pier to be dismantled in order to examine all of its components and their viability.
Mr Roberts, a freelance planning and environmental law consultant, said once the components have been properly examined and cleaned or replaced, the trust will have a much better idea of the true condition of the structure, and therefore how much work will be required to restore it.
He said: "Nobody seems to know with any degree of clarity what the condition of the pier is, in the previous admission by the council there were conflicting reports - that was ultimately one of the reasons demolition was refused.
"The direction we're going is to dismantle the pier - dismantling is not demolition.
"It is a concept in listed building legislation case law whereby you have the building dismantled and take the individual elements away - you can look at them to see if they need replacing, cleaning or fixing.
"The idea is to have a temporary structure erected where you can take these elements to see if they have longevity. If not they will need to be replaced.
"It has to be one continuous process, you can't dismantle it and leave it in storage."
Mr Roberts, who has 40 years of experience in town and country planning, has worked for local authorities on a number of projects across the UK including the regeneration of Castell Deudracth for Gwynedd County Council and the Gas Street Canal Basin regeneration scheme for Birmingham City Council, as well as projects Snowdonia National Park Authority.
He added he hopes in the long term to form connections with educational establishments across North Wales such as colleges, to use the pier as an opportunity for heritage related education.
Mr Roberts, 62, also said the trust had already begun looking into different grants and funding avenues to continue its work, and that conversation had already begun with Conwy County Borough Council to seek permission for dismantling the structure.
He added: "This is for the community, it's not for any individual. The ultimate objective is to make sure the pier is saved for future generations and the present one."
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/160336/campaign-group-chairman-unveils-new-plan-to-save-colwyn-bay-pier.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/160336/campaign-group-chairman-unveils-new-plan-to-save-colwyn-bay-pier.aspx)
Cllr Abdul Khan had described the decision to apply again as “immature”, after it was stated by the Welsh Government the demolition was not justified while there remains the unexplored possibility of retaining more of the Grade II listed pier.
Cllr Abdul Khan had described the decision to apply again as “immature”, after it was stated by the Welsh Government the demolition was not justified while there remains the unexplored possibility of retaining more of the Grade II listed pier.
Shouldn't that be ''premature''??
Engineers make final assessment on the pier
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/170024/engineers-make-final-assessments-of-colwyn-bay-pier-ahead-of-demolition-bid.aspx#.WEr10vwH9tw.email (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/170024/engineers-make-final-assessments-of-colwyn-bay-pier-ahead-of-demolition-bid.aspx#.WEr10vwH9tw.email)
The section that collapsed has not been maintained since the 1970s, so amazing it has lasted so long really. The main sections of pier are in a far better condition.
What I find truly amazing is Conwy Council's comment that "Over recent years the Council has been quite clear about the deteriorating state of the pier.". As the owners of the pier, they alone are responsible for maintaining a Listed building, yet no work has been done at all in the way of repairs to the structure in the 4 years since they bought it!
Any private owner of a Listed building would feel the full weight of enforcement action from CCBC if they neglected a property in the same way, yet the council act with impunity.
Hmmm! Straight edges, a sure sign of some acetylene cutting, or similar intervention.
Look at the 2nd photo, no way on this Earth is that a natural fracture or break.
Believe the evidence of your own eyes, there is hardly any corrosion on those perfectly straight edges either!
No conspiracy theory, it might have been unrelated to the outcome, but there have been council workmen on that site, and that looks suspicious, just saying!
It was probably one of the pigs landing on the Pier that CCBC also believe fly around the area that caused it to collapse.
Before we all get carried away the photo shows a stanchion SOCKET that the upper station sits in, this is a cast iron part so is brittle while the stanchion is in column is immensely strong ,but if the upper deck fractured and pulled it out of column it would snap leaving the jagged edge down the side and the flat top of the socket as shown
Before we all get carried away the photo shows a stanchion SOCKET that the upper station sits in, this is a cast iron part so is brittle while the stanchion is in column is immensely strong ,but if the upper deck fractured and pulled it out of column it would snap leaving the jagged edge down the side and the flat top of the socket as shown
Are you an engineer then Spotty Dog?
It was probably one of the pigs landing on the Pier that CCBC also believe fly around the area that caused it to collapse.
I've told you, it was Elvis.
Wonder if BMD is around. He's an architect, so must know of some local metallurgical engineers.
Wonder if BMD is around. He's an architect, so must know of some local metallurgical engineers.
I don't know any, Ian, I'm sorry (I used to be an architect, but not for some time). I do recall that both of the reports on the condition of the pier (Datrys, 2010, and the 2013 CCBC-published one) stated that the main structural elements (eg "cast-iron piles and columns") were sound, with potential problems lying elsewhere (eg "bracing system and steel girders supporting the steel deck" needed repair). The 2013 report says "The structural appraisal completed to date indicates that the condition of the structural steel components of the Pier are better than expected".
I hope the recent collapse is looked into closely, without anyone ruling anything (including sabotage) out in advance. It's easy for people to mock the whole suggestion as "conspiracy theory", but if you've read Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs column, you'll know that weirder, more outrageous and scandalous things have been known to occur. Not that anyone should make accusations without evidence, of course. No doubt there's a relatively innocent explanation - but CCBC's actions and statements regarding the pier have always deeply puzzled me.
I think you're all missing the very obvious fact that if someone farts in this town it's all over social media and the internet. I find it pretty hard to believe that someone could have done some mechanical engineering in broad daylight in full view of half of Colwyn Bay and nobody, not even one person noticed.
Also yoy're forgetting the council couldn't organise a Z** in a brewery never mind something of this magnitude.
I think you're all missing the very obvious fact that if someone farts in this town it's all over social media and the internet. I find it pretty hard to believe that someone could have done some mechanical engineering in broad daylight in full view of half of Colwyn Bay and nobody, not even one person noticed.
I think you're all missing the very obvious fact that if someone farts in this town it's all over social media and the internet. I find it pretty hard to believe that someone could have done some mechanical engineering in broad daylight in full view of half of Colwyn Bay and nobody, not even one person noticed.
Also yoy're forgetting the council couldn't organise a Z** in a brewery never mind something of this magnitude.
They would have booked their sabatouer to come in and destroy the pier for the Friday, but he would have had some sick days to use and cancelled last minute, so they would have had to rearrange the job for sometime in the week but would have forgot to send the full details to the replacement sabatouer who in turn would have cut down the wrong pier and Llandudno pier would now be in the sea instead $good$
Chairman of the Colwyn Bay Victoria Pier Trust Mark Roberts said: "I noticed two to three weeks ago certain strengthening elements on the pier had disappeared and considering the council's planned demolition application I find this an unsavoury coincidence." http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/172044/council-respond-to-sabotage-claims-of-collapsed-colwyn-bay-pier.aspx[/url
(http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/172044/council-respond-to-sabotage-claims-of-collapsed-colwyn-bay-pier.aspx)
Dismantle a rusting, rotting pier....and store it for 'the future'???
What madness is this?
Once it's gone, it's GONE!!
It's the most ridiculous and unsatisfactory outcome that could possibly have emerged.
Fair enough, compromise is always a good thing in long running disputes, but this?
CADW, PLEASE call this decision in, and put a stop to this vandalism.
Plan to dismantle and store parts of Colwyn Bay pier backed by councillors.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/plan-dismantle-store-parts-colwyn-12604732 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/plan-dismantle-store-parts-colwyn-12604732)
It reminds me of the time the entire seaward end theatre at Brighton Palace Pier was dismantled and put into storage following storm damage...it was never seen again!Plan to dismantle and store parts of Colwyn Bay pier backed by councillors.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/plan-dismantle-store-parts-colwyn-12604732 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/plan-dismantle-store-parts-colwyn-12604732)
Or put another way..... 'convenient way to shut those up who want to restore it, and quietly get rid of the pier'
Politicians eh?
Poignant and sad Hugo,
Poignant and sad Hugo, I hope you don't mind if I share one of those pics?
Poignant and sad
Being optimistic, if that section cannot be saved or is to expensive to restore, then forget it, a shortened pier would be OK .......wasnt that bit an add on anway ?Exactly, that bit at the end hasn't been accessible for 40 years anyway, so no great loss.
Poignant and sad Hugo,
Festers words are spot on, very sad.
Thanks for those plctures H. A real sense of the problem, and you are right about the timbers, I hit one head on with my little boat back in the 80s, straight through the bow.
An urgent item has been added to the Council meeting tomorrow regarding The Victoria Pier, Colwyn Bay (item 15). This meeting is to be webcast and can be viewed on the CCBC webcast portal, it starts at 10am if any ones interested
Restoration plan for Colwyn Bay pier?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-39138628 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-39138628)
Sorry to disappoint, but when they say '3 bays', they mean 3 bays from the Prom end, ie the area currently covered by the shoreward former Golden Goose building.
I used to go fishing off the end of the Colwyn Bay Pier many years ago but never had much luck in catching anything. In the future I would have even less as most of the time the end of the pier would be on dry land.I think CCBC should take a long walk off a very very very very very very short pier........... $angry$
That's it. You can see a plan of the proposed boardwalk here:Sorry to disappoint, but when they say '3 bays', they mean 3 bays from the Prom end, ie the area currently covered by the shoreward former Golden Goose building.
Well thats brought me down, very disappointing, its barely a token, which only makes the future restoration much more difficult.
I assume the photo shows what we are going to get? About 50 metres?
As regards future buildings on a restored Colwyn Bay pier, I think the best route to go down is something akin to those on Southwold Pier - traditionally designed wooden buildings that are pleasing to look at and easy to maintain.
Thanks for that DR, As I said before I had hoped for a better outcome, and looking at the pile of rusted metal my optimism is waning. :(That's it. You can see a plan of the proposed boardwalk here:Sorry to disappoint, but when they say '3 bays', they mean 3 bays from the Prom end, ie the area currently covered by the shoreward former Golden Goose building.
Well thats brought me down, very disappointing, its barely a token, which only makes the future restoration much more difficult.
I assume the photo shows what we are going to get? About 50 metres?
http://goo.gl/NdlAL5 (http://goo.gl/NdlAL5)
Fire on Colwyn Bay pierThat would be amazing, given the amount of money CCBC spend on security for the site.
Two fire appliances are at the scene of a blaze on Colwyn Bay pier.
North Wales Fire Service were alerted at 4.36pm to reports of a fire on the structure which is currently being demolished.
A North Wales Fire Service spokeswoman said fire fighters from Colwyn Bay and Llandudno are currently at the scene.
More details later. Ref DP
Colwyn Bay pier 7pm
Fire fighters are still in attendance on the pier at Colwyn Bay after a blaze broke out earlier.
Smoke was seen rising from the pier, which is currently being demolished, at about 4.30pm and two appliances sent to the scene.
A North Wales Fire Service spokeswoman said the fire fighters are inspecting the structure with officials from the construction company. Ref DP
ME has a few cars and isn't one of them a Jag, perhaps that's the one he's got. ;D ^*^0
It's not been taxed or mot'd since 2008, might still be in the pier!I'm pretty sure it is still stored in the shoreward building.
The original funding offer was withdrawn, IIRC, because of the legal issues mounted by the previous owner. It seems to have been a combination of him, CCBC's incompetence and bad weather that's doomed the thing.
Officers recommended approval of demolition application.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/live-colwyn-bay-pier-demolition-13320358 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/live-colwyn-bay-pier-demolition-13320358)
Meanwhile, Hastings pier, owned and run by the community, has just won yet another award.The unfortunate thing is that Hastings Pier is now struggling financially, entirely thanks to the architects lack of business understanding. I listened to an interview with him on Radio 4 the other day and he said something along the lines of 'I wanted the pier to have lots of open spaces rather than buildings'. The bit he didn't understand about piers is that the buildings contribute the revenue thats necessary to fund the continued maintenance to a pier, whilst vast areas of decking contribute not a penny. &shake&
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41817711 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41817711)
The council must be so proud.
"Daddy, what really important things did you accomplish when you were a councillor?"
"Well, son, I managed to destroy the pier."
Hastings Pier is sadly now in administration:Meanwhile, Hastings pier, owned and run by the community, has just won yet another award.The unfortunate thing is that Hastings Pier is now struggling financially, entirely thanks to the architects lack of business understanding. I listened to an interview with him on Radio 4 the other day and he said something along the lines of 'I wanted the pier to have lots of open spaces rather than buildings'. The bit he didn't understand about piers is that the buildings contribute the revenue thats necessary to fund the continued maintenance to a pier, whilst vast areas of decking contribute not a penny. &shake&
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41817711 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41817711)
The council must be so proud.
"Daddy, what really important things did you accomplish when you were a councillor?"
"Well, son, I managed to destroy the pier."
Poor pigeons! :(
Not seen it, when did you send it?
Not seen it, when did you send it?
Yesterday, I’ll resend it... it’s quite an important one.
For what reason? What a complete waste of time and money.I'd rather they spent the money on building a bit more of the new pier.
The Pier itself was the real treasure, but no one seemed to think that was worth spending money on.
It’s a crime, and they’ve got away with it. &shake& $angry$
Work is to start later this Summer on the reconstruction of the truncated Pier at Colwyn Bay. The contract for the work has been awarded to Grovenor Construction Ltd based in Kinmel Bay. Calibre Metalworks Ltd have been awarded the contract to refurbish the cast iron. It is expected to take about 30 weeks.
What will be its main use?