Three Towns Forum
The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: Cbrian51 on July 08, 2012, 09:36:14 pm
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Hi All,
I'm new to this wonderful site . I' m hoping that some kind person can help me. I'm trying to find the family of
David Roberts WID b Llanfihangel Bach
Jane Hughes Roberts B Nefyn
Annie H Roberts b Nefyn
David Nefyn Roberts b Nefyn
Willie H Roberts b Tyweilog
Hughie h Roberts b Tyweilog
1911 census. Tystre Tye Gwn Road LLandudno
My grandfather Evan Roberts left LLandudno and returned to be a witness at his sister Annies wedding to LLewelyn Williams in 1926
This is the last contact that I can find with this family. Any help will be really appreciated !
Many thanks
Kathy M $thanx$
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Hi there, welcome to the forum.
In the 1929 street directory there is only one Llewellyn Williams - the Rev. Llewellyn (Welsh Cong) at Fron, Church Walks) he was the Pastor at the Independent Church in Deganwy Avenue (not sure where this is - or was) however in the street listing he is H Williams.
Also, going by the information provided, I had a look on ancestry and found a listing for David Roberts from Llanfihangel on the 1911 census at Ty Fry Old Road, listed as widowed, a joiner with a son and daughter Annie 33 and Evan 31 born in Nefyn (occupation Blacksmith Striker) and two sons David Nefyn 24 and Hughie 22 born in Tydweilog
If it was the same Annie she would have been in her late forties when she married, and Evan would have been born in 1880
hope this helps
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Thanks Suepp.
I wonder if this could be the correct Llewellyen? It doesn't say REV on the cert , however maybe he came to religion late. It 's a start ;D
Kathy
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what about his address? maybe I could look up the listing in 1929 to see who is there?
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Thanks suepp,
As far as I can spell it the last address for this family is Tystre tyegwnn road llandudno.
The address for Llewlynn Williams and Annie Roberts was just 'new road'
I will double check cert later for more info. Much appreciated !
Kathy
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Wasn't the Independent Church the one which was pulled down and flats built, a few years back?
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Would this be the flats nearest to Lloyd Street Nemesis? I can remember a church next to a small alleyway between Clifton Road and Deganwy Ave, - I should remember it I would have walked past it most days on my way to school!
Kathy I can't find a listing for Tystre in Ty Gwyn Road but then names changed over the years, the only Roberts' listed are Wm. at The Old Farm Inn (Penymynnydd) and F.W. at the Great Orme's Head Post Office
There is a New Street Llandudno, running between Chapel Street and Deganwy Ave. towards the top end, with just a few households listed
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Yes those are they Suepp. With your back to the Orme they are on the right,near the alley, nearest to Lloyd St, where the Oak Alyn is on the corner.
Somewhere on the building is a plaque which says what was on the site before.
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Seeing as everyone seems to be getting pedantic over the term TRAIN station... or RAILWAY station, I might as well point out that Ty Gwyn Road is spelled wrongly on this thread.... Oh, so is Llandudno!, and a full stop in the middle of the David Roberts name, whats all that about?
I would no doubt get lynched if I did that. ¢¢## ¢¢##
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Sorry Fester.
Seems I have started a fight in an empty room.
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Sorry Fester.
Seems I have started a fight in an empty room.
:laugh: :laugh: Ha ha... it was also an empty Forum. I was on here all alone at 2.30am, how stupid is that? :laugh:
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OMG Don't you ever sleep?
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Sorry Fester.
Seems I have started a fight in an empty room.
:laugh: :laugh: Ha ha... it was also an empty Forum. I was on here all alone at 2.30am, how stupid is that? :laugh:
VERY! L0L
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I hope no-one gets put off posting here - worrying about mis-spelling Welsh names, $good$
Text talk is another matter though ppl $angry$
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Hi All,
I'm sorry if I didn't spell Llandudno correctly,and also put a . inbetween David and Roberts.
I don't see very well.
However so I do not upset anybody again I shall leave the site.
Thank you to those that gave positive help and good luck with your research.
Kathy M
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Don't be silly Cbrian, anything said on here is mainly tongue in cheek. You're not upsetting anyone and nobody can take offence from anything you've said so keep posting and looking through the forum there's lots to see on it.
I'm Welsh and often spell things incorrectly in Welsh and English but if people understand me then that's all that matters.
In the old days people used to spell thing differently and to add confusion to it, Welsh has a different alphabet to the English which doesn't help when you are looking for things.
My own Christian name was spelt incorrectly by the Registrar and my Dad didn't correct him but that doesn't matter anymore as I've been called a lot worse in my time. ???
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Hi Kathy, Please don't leave the forum, it's just banter between members about another topic on another thread and not aimed at you at all.
( I've put up with it for years! ) D)
Sue
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I was able to go to the Conwy Archives and the Library today so I had a quick look at a few things but haven't found a lot. You are probably aware of all the info on the Census anyway but I'll just repeat it in case you are not.
In the 1891 Census David Roberts lived at 1 Ty'n Ffynnon in Tydweliog with his wife Ann and their children Jane H, Annie, Evan, Willie H, David and Hughie J. The Census showed that they all could only speak Welsh!
In the 1901 Census they had moved to Llandudno and lived at Ingestre Cottage, Ty Gwyn Road, Llandudno and they were all there apart from Ann who must have died in the meantime.
In the 1911 Census they were living at Ty Fry ( House aloft) in Old Road Llandudno
I took a photo of Ty Fry today and it's the yellowish property on the right in the photo
Was your Grandfather still living in Llandudno in 1922 because there was an Evan Roberts living at 5 Prospect Terrace off Ty Gwyn Road and he was a shoemaker by trade?
I couldn't find details of any burials for the family at St Tudno's or Llanrhos but there are ways of tracing those on line. Unfortunately I am pretty useless on the computer but there are others here such as Suepp and Dwsi who are experts if you need help.
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Hi Kathy M... Don't leave the Forum!
I apologise unreservedly if you took my comment personally, it certainly was not meant as such.
I had just been criticised on another topic for 'word correctness' .. and put that comment on here in a 'tongue in cheek' way.
I didn't realise it would cause offence.... and Suepp has rightly told me off about it. $smack$
Now.... lets get on with answering your question, you will find lots of experts on here only too willing to help.
An apologetic Fester.
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Now that Fester has had a smacked bot from Suepp you can start posting again and we'll see what we can do to help. $good$
One thing I didn't check at the Conwy Archives was the Burial Records for the soldiers from WW I , that info is at the back of the Llanrhos book (St Hilary's Church ) but they are not listed alphabetically there. The grave numbers are listed so you have to check each individual grave to find the person you are looking for.
Good luck with your search
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Sorry but I forgot to mention that D. Roberts was still living at Ty Fry Old Road LLandudno according to the 1922 Street Index but wasn't there in 1939.
The Conwy Archives have street indexes for 1926 and 1929 but I didn't look at those and as I'm not going to the Archives for a while perhaps Suepp, if she reads this may have a look at her personal 1929 Street Index and see if D. Roberts was still living at Ty Fry Old Road.
That address was listed as apartments so D Roberts must have been renting out rooms there.
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Hi Hugo, D.Roberts was not living at Ty Fry in 1929, and I haven't had much luck with burials. the Welsh BMD is quite poor in that respect, I'm not sure all areas are fully transcribed post 1900.
As you can imagine there are a lot of D.Roberts in the alphabetical index and it would be difficult to get the right person. There are 3 Evan Roberts, 2 in Kings road and 1 in Somerset street, also a number of E. Roberts which doesn't make it any easier. Kathy said her grandfather had left Llandudno and returned for wedding of his sister.
I hope Kathy is still reading the forum :-*
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Thanks very much for posting the info regarding the 1929 Street Index Suepp, $thanx$
I can have a look at the 1926 Street Index when I'm in the Archives next and see if David Roberts was on it then.
It could be that he was buried with his wife Ann and that may be in Tydweliog or that area of the Llyn and that may explain why I can't find him in the Llandudno Burial Lists.
Did Kathy say when Evan left Llandudno?
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I hope Kathy is still reading this thread too......we have been sending PM's just in case we have a connection and im looking forward to some answers from you all. Unfortunately, i dont think there is a connection, but you never know.
Suepp mentioned 2 Evan Roberts living in Kings Roads.....one of them was one of mine i think.
Coincedently, Ty Fry is/was a holiday let and we stayed there a couple years ago ! It is the most beautiful old house that just keeps going up and up.....i remember trying to get our suitcases up to the very top of the house, up the extremely steep and narrow staircases !!!
:)
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Hmmm, Kathy hasn't checked into the Forum since 4.18pm on Wednesday.
I too sent her a PM to reinforce my apology, but she won't have seen it I fear.
Not much more I can do I'm afraid. I blame Dave R.
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Hi Everybody,
I'm sorry if I took offence too quickly ! All apologies accepted http://. My fault bad day at work !
I have been looking at all your replies,thank you all very ,very much for your hard work.
I have learnt a lot and thank you the photograph .
i'm not sure if I have sent this reply to the correct person but I hope that you all get to see this .
I will take my time and have a really good look at the info.
Thanks again
Kathy
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Good to see you back on line Kathy and I hope the weather is better for you when you come to Llandudno for a visit. The Conwy Archives is in Lloyd Street Llandudno next to the Lifeboat Station and you'll find the staff there very helpful indeed.
If you do find any info about the deaths of your relatives don't forget to look at the Llandudno Advertiser as details of the burials may have been published in there.
Good luck with everything. $good$
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Nice one Kathy..... and thanks or the message you sent me.
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My mate Peter MILLICAN used to live at Ty Fry in the early 60's. I was waiting outside for him one fine summers evening and was approached by two holiday makers asking what time the chippy opened. I pointed them in the direction of GARDNERS near the tram station, amazed they were knowing that Ty Fry meant narrow house and not something to do with frying chips!!
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I was in Lloyd Street with Peter and he told me a similar story only this time someone knocked on his door and asked if they were frying tonight as that's what they thought Ty Fry meant.
I think that Fry actually means aloft rather than narrow ( Cul being narrow as in Lonydd cul on the A55)
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David Roberts was still at Ty fry, Old Road in the 1922 Llandudno Street index but wasn't there in the 1929 one. He would have been about 68 in 1922 but I still couldn't find anything for him in the Burial indexes for Llandudno.
The photos are of Ingestre Cottage, Ty Gwyn Road Llandudno. It is not called that now and has had a few name changes since. It is actually No 8 Ty Gwyn Road.
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Isn't it called Ormestone Lodge now?
It was for sale in 2010, it took about 6 months to sell..... for £179,000
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Hello Everybody ,
I am finally back on this site. I got waylaid with other sites , then lost my password. It has taken me 4 years to get back here .
Thank you all for all your help in the past. I have retired from work now so have a little more time to research. I have found out quite a lot more about my ROBERTS family. I have a great aunt buried in St Tudnos , her married name is CAMERON.
The best thing is we have retired to live in Penrhyn Bay, back to my welsh roots.
Happy New Year to you all and a happy searching year .
Kathy