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Title: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: jml on August 09, 2011, 08:20:24 pm
Recently I dropped off my partner to do some shopping on Mostyn Champneys retail park. Then went to the car wash (back off the old Halfords). Came back about 30 min later to pick her up.
Cost me £80 fine for returning within the hour. Even though I did not park there.
Anyone with similar experience?
Title: Re: APNR Parking Parc Llandudno & Mostyn Champneys
Post by: Yorkie on August 09, 2011, 08:23:58 pm
Don't pay or answer any correspondence.  It is only a civil action they can take and as you have not agreed to use their services by paying or in writing, no contract exists and therefore cannot be enforced.
    D)
Did you say you damaged one of your tyres in their potholes?  You can sue them for damages using the Small Claims procedure!    L0L

Incidently it is ANPR, Automatic Number Plate Recognition.   ;)
Title: Re: APNR Parking Parc Llandudno & Mostyn Champneys
Post by: Merddin Emrys on August 09, 2011, 08:41:09 pm
BBC Watchdog covered this sometime ago and I agree with Yorkie's advice

What also is  very annoying is that DVLA sell the car owner's details to the parking company, that should not be allowed!  $angry$
Title: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: born2run on December 24, 2011, 08:42:02 pm
Found an interesting topic in the forum of money saving expert

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3360572 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3360572)

ust a warning for anyone who might visit the Mostyn Champneys Retail Park in Llandudno, they've just given permission to the well-known bunch of cowboys from Parking Eye to scam shoppers who use the car park there.

If you get an invoice from Parking Eye (they can't "fine" you) the advice is don't pay and ignore any correspondance - there's a lot more advice and info here - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163)

What I find annoying is the statement from Centre Manager about this - "Colin Gilligan, Centre Manager of Mostyn Champneys Retail Park, explains the background behind the new scheme: “Although we have recognised for some time that we are probably the most attractive parking location in the town – conveniently located and entirely free – we have also become aware of the growing number of non-shoppers who leave their vehicles for long periods, and at busy times deprive our genuine shoppers of a legitimate parking space."

I've been visiting Mostyn Champneys ever since it opened and never once in hundreds of visits have I not been able to find a space. Saturday afternoons, Christmas, Saturday afternoons at Christmas, you name it I've always had no trouble finding a space. Has anyone ever been there are left because they couldn't park? Speak now or forever hold your peace! This is little more than a money raising exercise for the owners of the retail park, although ultimately it will cost the tenants as shoppers are scared off and start to boycott the place.

SHAME ON YOU MOSTYN CHAMPNEYS!

n.b. Parc Llandudno just over the road also allow Parking Eye to rip off their customers as well so -

SHAME ON YOU PARC LLANDUDNO AS WELL!
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: martin on December 24, 2011, 09:33:01 pm
Thanks for the information, just hope I never need it.  This sort of thing is bad for the retail park, bad for the retailers and bad for the town, why are operations like this allowed, it is little more than theft. $angry$
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Jack on December 24, 2011, 10:32:39 pm
My missus parked there the other week when taking the kids to watch the panto at Venue Cymru as there was no-where else to park, we got a 'fine' a week or so later of which I have no intention of paying.  Strangely her Sister followed her into the carpark and parked next to her and she has never been issued with a parking invoice! 
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 24, 2011, 10:53:04 pm
I find it very wrong that the DVLA sell the car's owner's details to these parking companies!  $angry$
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Annprestatyn on April 12, 2012, 02:14:56 pm
I have received a letter from parking eye stating I parked from 16.03 until 18.35 on the 2nd April . They request a £50.00. Firstly I am disabled, walk poorly with a stick. I used my disabled blue badge to park.  I had to move car parking places because I could not walk to the other side of the park shops. It takes me a while because of my disability to shop re pain,, mobility etc;
Do I have to pay this. I am very shocked as I parked both times in a disabled bay. I have receipts from various shops stating times I bought items on the retail park. Thanks gor any advice
Title: Re: APNR Parking Parc Llandudno & Mostyn Champneys
Post by: majormellons on April 12, 2012, 02:29:23 pm
I have received a letter from parking eye stating I parked from 16.03 until 18.35 on the 2nd April . They request a £50.00. Firstly I am disabled, walk poorly with a stick. I used my disabled blue badge to park.  I had to move car parking places because I could not walk to the other side of the park shops. It takes me a while because of my disability to shop re pain,, mobility etc;
Do I have to pay this. I am very shocked as I parked both times in a disabled bay. I have receipts from various shops stating times I bought items on the retail park. Thanks gor any advice

Ann, don't panic.

As Yorkie said in post two, under no circumstances contact them in any way. Do not write to them or enter into any telephone conversations, by using thier car park you have NOT entered into any contract with them they have NO right in law to take you to court or demand payment.
Any correspondence must go straight in the bin and forgotten about.

Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Fester on April 12, 2012, 11:55:42 pm
If they didn't deal with the issue on the day, by way of a clamp or a ticket... then they can do nothing.

They are a bunch of chancers who should be completely ignored.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: mull on April 13, 2012, 08:21:44 am
Is anyone doing anything to stop the DVLC from making vehicle owners details public ?
It was always my understanding that only police officers had access to this information and then only if they had a good reason.

Have I been wrong all these years or has something changed ?
Over to you ex pc Yorkie.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: DaveR on April 13, 2012, 08:33:12 am
The DVLA gets £2.50 a time for every piece of driver info they give out. Seems wrong to me.  &shake&

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123390/7-000-drivers-names-sold-criminals-How-DVLA-21m-selling-details-4-85m-motorists.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123390/7-000-drivers-names-sold-criminals-How-DVLA-21m-selling-details-4-85m-motorists.html)
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 13, 2012, 09:46:42 am
I find it very wrong that the DVLA sell the car's owner's details to these parking companies!  $angry$

As I was saying last year, it is totally wrong  $angry$
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Yorkie on April 13, 2012, 10:02:28 am
Is anyone doing anything to stop the DVLC from making vehicle owners details public ?
It was always my understanding that only police officers had access to this information and then only if they had a good reason.

Have I been wrong all these years or has something changed ?
Over to you ex pc Yorkie.

The answer is very simple - EVERYONE can obtain the information from the DVLA on payment of a Fee but a reason has to be given.  For example if the Police were unwilling to assist with giving you another drivers information after a minor shunt, you could apply for the information from the DVLA if you wished to take out a private action.   Generally it is available if it is required to aid the prosecution or a civil action against the driver of a vehicle.  This has been the case for many years, it is just that these private companies are now taking advantage of the facility.

 :rage:

There must be something about it on the DVLA web site.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: mull on April 13, 2012, 11:55:52 am
Thanks for making that clear.
Still does not seem  $angry$.
Title: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: martin on May 03, 2012, 04:48:23 pm
Over the months there have been a number of people posting on the forum that have received park penalties from the car park operators of the retail park.  The advice given by members of the forum has always been to ignore the request for money.  Has anyone who did ignore the letters requesting payment of the "fines" had any follow up from the company, perhaps threatening legal action and the like? The reason I am asking is that a friend of mine has today received a penalty notice and I have told him to ignore it, so I just want to check if this is the best thing to do. 
Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 03, 2012, 08:28:16 pm
The last time this was mentioned on BBC Watchdog, the advice was to ignore it, I would! They cannot issue 'fines' only the Police or courts etc can do that, they are parking charges, ignore it.
Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: martin on May 03, 2012, 09:44:40 pm
Thanks for the information ME, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: dwsi on May 27, 2012, 03:51:25 pm
Llanrwst pensioners in battle with ParkingEye - North Wales Weekly News http://bit.ly/L5qyXp (http://bit.ly/L5qyXp)

Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: FatAndy on June 13, 2012, 08:28:16 pm
My wife got one of Parking Lie's fake penalties after we parked at Mostyn Champneys before Christmas to watch the panto (not realising quite how long the show ran for!).  We ignored three letters then they disappeared.  To be honest I'd expected more effort on their part, at the very least a letter from a fake debt collector or a fake solicitor but I had no joy there.

But yes, the advice is to ignore, ignore and then ignore some more.  Private parking companys cannot "fine" anyone and in any case contract law only allows for someone who suffers a loss to claim a "reasonable pre-estimate of losses suffered".  As Mostyn Champneys is a free car park a "reasonable pre-estimate of losses suffered" will always be £0.00.  Parc Llandudno is slightly different but legally all the park owners (i.e. not Parking Eye) can claim from you is the amount you may have underpaid so it wouldn't be worth their while bothering in most cases.  There has also recently been a new and interesting tax tribunal case (google "VCS v HMRC") which has established that a PPC cannot persue any action in trespass on any land it doesn't own itself so unless unless Savills decide to sell the Mostyn Champneys car park to Parking Lie then Parking Lie are well and truly shagged  ;D.
Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: FatAndy on June 13, 2012, 08:39:06 pm
The reason I am asking is that a friend of mine has today received a penalty notice and I have told him to ignore it, so I just want to check if this is the best thing to do.

First off I'm new to this forum so hopefully it's ok to post links to other websites, if not I'm sure someone will let me know.

If you open the following link just towards the top of post #2 is a list of the letters you can expect to receive from Parking Lie.  Click on the blue wording and it will show you a copy of each letter so you can play "threatogram snap" as you match your letters to the letters on the site.  Unfortunately we didn't get past letter three so no letter for us from the fake debt collection agency (Roxburghe) or the fake solicitor (Graham White)  :(.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2214803 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2214803)


Alternatively just google "Parking Eye Scam".  I've just done this and the seach returned 5,430,000 results so there should be more than enough there to convince your friend not to fall for the scam  $good$.
Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: Merddin Emrys on June 13, 2012, 09:46:17 pm
Good information  $good$
Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: FatAndy on July 11, 2012, 10:20:48 am
Anyone who ever parks at Mostyn Champneys, Parc Llandudno or Asda should have a read of this - http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/plcdev/files/138/original/CuttsTalk10July2012copy.pdf (http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/plcdev/files/138/original/CuttsTalk10July2012copy.pdf)

It's a draft of a speech given by Martin Cutts of the Plain Language Commission at an event held by the British Parking Association, which is the useless organisation that exists solely to try to excuse the scams committed by the likes of Parking Eye. 

Needless to say the speech wasn't well received  by the delegates present at the event _))*
Title: Re: Parking "Fines" Mostyn Champneys Retail Park
Post by: Merddin Emrys on July 11, 2012, 05:39:47 pm
Excellent stuff! I bet that went down well!  _))*
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Sara on September 01, 2012, 05:43:35 pm
Daughter and her boyfriend parked in Parc Llandudno, thinking it was 3 hour parking like Mostyn Champneys. Boyfriend today got parking charge for being 48 mins over the 2 free hours allowed at Parc Llandudno. £50 if paid now, rises to £80 then £110 if not paid. Can he ignore this as he was over the time limit they state?
Thanks
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: born2run on September 01, 2012, 05:49:49 pm
Hi Sara

He can ignore it anyway - read my post from MSE above - but whatever he does don't get in contact with them as they'll just keep hounding him
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Sara on September 01, 2012, 05:53:19 pm
Thanks born2run, I thought he could i just wondered if it made any difference as he was over the time (by mistake). I have told him not to enter into any dialogue with them.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Yorkie on September 01, 2012, 05:54:48 pm

He can ignore it anyway - read my post from MSE above - but whatever he does don't get in contact with them as they'll just keep hounding him

I think that you should be warned that it is a Civil matter and if they decide to pursue their claim against you, you could find it very expensive.  So you must use your own discretion as to whether you accept what advice is given. 
 ££$
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Pendragon on September 01, 2012, 06:15:18 pm
A few months ago my sister had the same problem.  She and her husband both in separate cars (he met her there) parked in Parc Llandudno thinking it was 3 hrs too.  Unfortunately both cars were fined £50.  My sister proved by way of receipts from shops on Parc Llandudno that she had indeed been shopping there for the three hrs.  Both fines were cancelled.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: born2run on September 01, 2012, 06:19:14 pm
It is a free car park so the parking company have not suffered any material loss. This is the only thing they can take you to the (civil) court for.

That £50 charge is tantamount to demanding money with menaces as it no way relates to the actual loss (zero) suffered by the shops. For one private individual (the parking company) to demand money from another private individual (you) is against the law.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: norman08 on September 01, 2012, 06:40:42 pm
when asda first came in the condition was FREE parking and nothing has changed
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: SDQ on September 01, 2012, 07:38:13 pm
Originally with Asda they checked your receipt when you left the park to make sure you hadn't parked there and walked into town, I think it was 3 hours maximum and then they charged you if you went over. I remember many complaints to the NWWN at the time as in very busy periods some people with large families to shop for were taking that long to get through the store and were being charged after spending over £200 in the store.
With 2 entrances & 1 exit it could take 30 minutes just to get out which didn't  help the situation either!
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Fester on September 02, 2012, 01:14:30 am
Experience tells me that it is better to ignore ALL fines, all bills,all invoices, all demands....

All debts, all CSA or maintenance demands, all financial problems of any kind.

Over 95% of them seem to strangely fade away.

My ex-wife got into staggering amounts of debt, and by ignoring them and sending diversionary letters, she paid very little in the end.

Ridiculous as it sounds, burying ones head in the sand, Ostrich style, seems to pay dividends in life.  &shake&

Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Nemesis on September 02, 2012, 08:11:35 am
Have you been talking to Ken Dodd? ;D
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Yorkie on September 02, 2012, 09:39:56 am

Ridiculous as it sounds, burying ones head in the sand, Ostrich style, seems to pay dividends in life.  &shake&

As does shopping at the Coop!    L0L
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: born2run on September 02, 2012, 10:15:50 am
Have you been talking to Ken Dodd? ;D

He's been talking to Rangers FC. that worked out great for them  _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: FatAndy on October 11, 2012, 10:24:21 am
Found an interesting topic in the forum of money saving expert

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3360572 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3360572)

ust a warning for anyone who might visit the Mostyn Champneys Retail Park in Llandudno, they've just given permission to the well-known bunch of cowboys from Parking Eye to scam shoppers who use the car park there.

If you get an invoice from Parking Eye (they can't "fine" you) the advice is don't pay and ignore any correspondance - there's a lot more advice and info here - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163)

What I find annoying is the statement from Centre Manager about this - "Colin Gilligan, Centre Manager of Mostyn Champneys Retail Park, explains the background behind the new scheme: “Although we have recognised for some time that we are probably the most attractive parking location in the town – conveniently located and entirely free – we have also become aware of the growing number of non-shoppers who leave their vehicles for long periods, and at busy times deprive our genuine shoppers of a legitimate parking space."

I've been visiting Mostyn Champneys ever since it opened and never once in hundreds of visits have I not been able to find a space. Saturday afternoons, Christmas, Saturday afternoons at Christmas, you name it I've always had no trouble finding a space. Has anyone ever been there are left because they couldn't park? Speak now or forever hold your peace! This is little more than a money raising exercise for the owners of the retail park, although ultimately it will cost the tenants as shoppers are scared off and start to boycott the place.

SHAME ON YOU MOSTYN CHAMPNEYS!

n.b. Parc Llandudno just over the road also allow Parking Eye to rip off their customers as well so -

SHAME ON YOU PARC LLANDUDNO AS WELL!

That all sounds a bit familiar.

(On this occasion I won't be filing suit for breach of copyright  ;).
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: FatAndy on October 11, 2012, 10:37:06 am
Daughter and her boyfriend parked in Parc Llandudno, thinking it was 3 hour parking like Mostyn Champneys. Boyfriend today got parking charge for being 48 mins over the 2 free hours allowed at Parc Llandudno. £50 if paid now, rises to £80 then £110 if not paid. Can he ignore this as he was over the time limit they state?
Thanks

There's a slight difference between Mostyn Champneys and Parc Llandudno in that you can be liable to a "reasonable pre-estimate of losses incurred" if you park and don't pay.  As Mostyn Champneys is a free carpark then a reasonable pre-estimate of losses will always be £0.00.  At Parc Llandudno there are charges if you stay more than two hours so if you overstay then there will be a reasonable pre-estimate of losses, i.e. the amount you should have paid.  I don't know how much this is as I try to avoid Parc Llandudno as much as possible but I'd imagine it's no more than a couple of quid, and certainly not £110!  So although your boyfriend does technically owe some money I think safe to ignore Parking Lie's demand as they aren't going to instigate court action for the sake of a couple of quid.

Incidentally, even though you can ignore these scam invoices I'd urge everyone to pay the correct charge on a pay and display car park as this would reduce the tempation for places like Parc Llandudno to allow cowboys to scam their customers in this way.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: FatAndy on October 02, 2013, 09:10:43 pm
Sorry, but I had to share this (even though it includes a few rude words!).  It probably helps if you know a bit about POPLA and also that Aldi are currently getting a huge amount via Facebook because Parking Lie have recently started issuing court proceedings against their customers but I think it's probably still funny anyway.

Episode 1: Hitler versus the Parking Prankster (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-VgNp3nKaI#)
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: hollins on October 02, 2013, 09:34:03 pm
I can remember crying laughing at that piece of film set to words to do with Manchester United. I think Hitler was Ferguson and the thing that really got to me was when someone said to "Hitler", "Don't worry, you've still got Wesley Brown."

Thanks for the tip about the Vintage shop Andy. Could you tell me where it is please?
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: FatAndy on October 03, 2013, 07:10:09 pm
Thanks for the tip about the Vintage shop Andy. Could you tell me where it is please?

Vintage Rose will be on Abergele Road in Colwyn Bay, more or less opposite the junction with Greenfield Road.  I'm not sure if it's open yet, there still appeared to be newspaper covering the windows this morning.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Ian on November 04, 2015, 06:13:32 pm
Regarding parking 'fines', this is not good news:

"Parking fines issued by private companies have been ruled as fair and proportionate by the Supreme Court in a judgment handed down today.

The ruling could lead to people being more severely fined for things such as missing appointments, being late for nursery pick-ups or overusing wi-fi in a hotel.  Which? is worried that the ruling has watered down the law on penalty charges and unfair terms, and could now pave the way for more fines and default charges. There is also fear it may encourage more firms to adopt business models based around default charging.

The Supreme Court case was brought by Barry Beavis against Parking Eye which issued him with an £85 parking fine for overstaying in a private car park. Which? originally intervened in the case in a bid to ensure important consumer rights that protect consumers from excessive fines in all sectors were not watered down."

The bottom line is that the Supreme court has unequivocally backed parking charges, but companies not connected with parking but providing other services might choose to follow suit.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Bosun on November 04, 2015, 06:50:14 pm
I am currently fighting a 'fine' levelled by Excel Parking. They operate their car parks by camera and you have to enter the full registration number of your vehicle when obtaining a ticket. I made a mistake entering the registration number and they are now trying to 'fine' me £100 for 39 minutes parking. All the paperwork is produced to look very official as if from a statutory body and is worded strongly to the point of being threatening. At no point do they suggest that I failed to purchase a ticket, nor do they suggest that they have been financially disadvantaged.

They have refused to enter into to any correspondence, but there is a so called 'appeals process' where you appeal on line to a supposedly 'independent' organisation, which is actually funded by the private car park operators themselves. I had a devil of a job accessing it, because, low and behold, Excel Parking had made a mistake entering the details!!!! Surprisingly, my appeal was turned down with the rationale that I had breached the terms and conditions of use of the carpark. Sadly for them, the board in the carpark showing the terms and conditions had various bits of gaffer tape of the same colour as the board stuck across it, presumably where the company had deleted/altered the terms and conditions, which I have photographed.

I am more than happy to go to County Court with this one, should be fun!
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Ian on November 04, 2015, 07:07:00 pm
I suppose the major worry is that they could simply enter a negative comment on your credit report.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: FatAndy on November 04, 2015, 08:52:58 pm
Regarding parking 'fines', this is not good news:

"Parking fines issued by private companies have been ruled as fair and proportionate by the Supreme Court in a judgment handed down today.

The bottom line is that the Supreme court has unequivocally backed parking charges, but companies not connected with parking but providing other services might choose to follow suit.

I have a guaranteed method of avoiding parking charges from Parking Lie.  If I see one of their signs I immediately turn around leave the carpark.  It's worked so far and I suspect if more people did the same then Parking Lie might find their services to be less in demand.
Title: Re: Parking in Llandudno (Mostyn Champneys)
Post by: Bosun on February 28, 2017, 12:05:50 pm
I am currently fighting a 'fine' levelled by Excel Parking. They operate their car parks by camera and you have to enter the full registration number of your vehicle when obtaining a ticket. I made a mistake entering the registration number and they are now trying to 'fine' me £100 for 39 minutes parking. All the paperwork is produced to look very official as if from a statutory body and is worded strongly to the point of being threatening. At no point do they suggest that I failed to purchase a ticket, nor do they suggest that they have been financially disadvantaged.

They have refused to enter into to any correspondence, but there is a so called 'appeals process' where you appeal on line to a supposedly 'independent' organisation, which is actually funded by the private car park operators themselves. I had a devil of a job accessing it, because, low and behold, Excel Parking had made a mistake entering the details!!!! Surprisingly, my appeal was turned down with the rationale that I had breached the terms and conditions of use of the carpark. Sadly for them, the board in the carpark showing the terms and conditions had various bits of gaffer tape of the same colour as the board stuck across it, presumably where the company had deleted/altered the terms and conditions, which I have photographed.

I am more than happy to go to County Court with this one, should be fun!

Excel Parking threatened me numerous times with court action with very official looking letters. I gave Excel Parking all the details outlined above including photographs, and told them to apply to court for the summons against me and I would have the case transferred to my local county court and I would present my defense to the action.

I never heard another word from them.