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Title: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 16, 2010, 04:43:26 pm
Tonight the Met office has issued Flash warnings for the entire North Wales Area, but how much of this will we see?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 16, 2010, 04:52:22 pm
we have warnings of ice most days but rarely in Penrhyn Bay, inland no doubt it is, seems ever since 'the big storm' of 1987 and the Michael Fish incident they predict doom and gloom and sometimes they are right  L0L

BBC weather blooper by Michael Fish storm of 1987 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqs1YXfdtGE#)
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 08:24:30 am
Problems are more over Bangor way this morning, with heavy snow from Conwy area onwards. I don't believe any buses are running at present to/from Bangor as a lorry has jackknifed on the A55.

Colwyn Bay/Llandudno area is better, main roads/bus routes are mostly clear but side roads are ropey.
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Post by: Nemesis on December 17, 2010, 08:36:38 am
Ouch-- for ropey read slippy !!
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 08:54:38 am
Black Gate on the Orme is in complete chaos this morning after nothing more than a faint sprinkling of snow. One car went down the hill go to the Junction did a 180 degree turn and is now positioned with it's rear wheels off the ground and half way up the traffic lights. The ambulance came to treat the driver and is now stuck on the junction with nowhere to go until it thaws. I've tried to use what little grit was left in the grit box but to no avail. I rang the police to report the accident and they appeared very quickly. There's now a gritter on the way but it can't get up the hill.
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 09:36:12 am
There's now a gritter on the way but it can't get up the hill.
Outstanding!
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 10:03:54 am
The gritter finally got up the hill and things are moving again. The car is currently being recovered from the traffic lights and the council highways deparment are on scene trying to get the traffic light post back to the vertical position again. Thankfully the lady who was driving the spinning car has no serious injuries.
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 10:07:29 am
Why would anyone try to drive down that hill in these weather conditions?!
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 10:13:24 am
The big test will be next time there is snow forecast. Will the lesson have been learned that it costs less to grit the road in the first place rather than having to get people up here to recover from the chaos after the event.
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 10:14:39 am
CCBC have only 8 days supply of Grit left, and that is reserved for major roads in the County.
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 10:22:18 am
today during and after
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 10:30:12 am
Good photos, the road has cleared a lot.
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Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 12:54:48 pm
Nice story and good photos Medz.  If I was you I'd stay put in the warmth and have a coffee while looking at the fantastic view of the Bay that you've got.
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Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 01:06:57 pm
Just been on the phone to my friend in Llandegfan Anglesey and it's snowing heavily at the moment and there is about seven inches of snow in his street.  According to BBC North West Wales Anglesey and the Bangor area have been worst affected with up to twelve inches of snow in parts.
We've been lucky and escaped with just a small amount of snow and I've just finished clearing the drive of snow again.  Heard that it was bad in Conwy too, perhaps the Conwy people will let us know.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 02:32:16 pm
It's snowing up here again and sticking on the drive but I'm not going to clear the snow again as it looks like there is more to come.
 :rage:
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 02:56:09 pm
Very heavy shower of snow in Llandudno/Colwyn Bay just now, has just passed over.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 17, 2010, 03:09:15 pm
just been out in it, feeding the pigeons  D)

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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 03:33:31 pm
Some photos of Llandudno this afternoon:
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Post by: Nemesis on December 17, 2010, 03:45:48 pm
Just got back indoors before another heavy shower of snow. Shocking underfoot in parts.
Heard this a.m. on the radio that Llanberis was cut off !
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 04:37:36 pm
That was about 2 inches of snow in half an hour here in Colwyn Bay. All roads are very dodgy, bus services have come to a halt - best stay indoors!
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Post by: Bellringer on December 17, 2010, 05:18:09 pm
4" of snow on the roof of my car parked in the drive on the outskirts of Conwy - just measured it as a matter of interest!
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Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 05:22:17 pm
The scene in Rhos On Sea a little earlier:
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Post by: margo on December 17, 2010, 05:28:49 pm
anyone going out in the car don't attempt maesdu bridge watching from the comfort of my living room there is single file traffic, wheel spinning, sliding back down the bridge and people trying to push the cars with not a lot of luck!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 17, 2010, 05:35:21 pm
Thanks for the info, Margo.  :)  If anyone has information relating to conditions in their local area, please feel free to post it on here.

Last time I heard from Fester, he was outside the Carlton in Llandudno helping to push a car that had hit the roundabout.
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Post by: suepp on December 17, 2010, 05:41:34 pm
it seems that you have it much worse than us this time. Here in Ruthin we had a light covering first thing with nothing much since, but the pavements are treacherous
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Post by: Bri Roberts on December 17, 2010, 06:05:48 pm
My wife's Avon Lady has just called to our home on Liddell Park and said her daughter has just taken an hour to get from St Davids College !!!

Our eldest daughter was hoping to go home to Llan Jct by taxi but the taxis are only travelling within Llandudno and are not going out of town for the time being.
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Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 07:01:27 pm
I needed to drop my son off at LL Junction station around 5pm this afternoon,couldn't get a taxi to go there and against all logic decided to try and get down from the Orme to the station.  That was possibly one of the most horrific 30 minutes journeys I have ever encountered. I've got a car with rear wheel drive that turns into a sledge when there is snow or frost about so it was never going to be easy. Ironically Black Gate was no problem  as that had been gritted following this mornings accident! Once I got beyond there I travelled downhill lifting my foot gradually off the brake pedal every time I'd managed to forget just how bad an experience I'd had last time I took my foot off the pedal. 2/3rds of the way down we encountered the first car struggling on the side of the road trying to get up the hill. Plenty of room for us both to struggle until an idiotic  boy racer decided to over take the car going up and headed straight for me. Fortunately he came to an abrupt halt on the snow as well.  So we were then all three cars going down the hill in a line me going forwards and sideways the other two going backwards and sideways. I got to the Empire hotel corner eventually and went slowly along Mostyn Street only to be confronted by a group of youths outside the Church treating the slow moving  cars as a coconut shy with snow balls. We then hit the tail of all the traffic stacked up by being moved through the ASDA junction by 2 harassed and unfortunately verbally abused  policemen.    At that point I decided that was it went back towards town and parked somewhere flat ! and walked up the hill for a well earned drink. The lessons to be learned from this experience is for my wife is to hide the car keys from me when ever it snows and for me to follow Hugo's advice and stay in the house with a coffee.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2010, 07:14:14 pm
Great photos of Rhos on Sea Dave, I could see the snow from my window and watched the cars going very slowly along the Promenade. Haven't seen it that bad for years.
We've had a lot of snow up on Colwyn Heights and when I tried to take a photo of the snow the flash came on, hence all the white dots all over the photo!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 17, 2010, 07:48:13 pm
Driving and walking back through town tonight at about 5pm and there being no cars parked so no shoppers made me wonder how much has been lost in takings by  shops on this last full Friday before Christmas.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2010, 07:56:36 pm
Llanrwst and the hills around have had about 10 - 12" today;  A470 was cut off several times, but I think it's now clear.
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Post by: suepp on December 18, 2010, 02:28:34 am
I know  two local restaurants  have had all bookings cancelled  tonight from being originally fully booked. :'( there must be more as this is the busiest night of the year for staff parties
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Post by: Nemesis on December 18, 2010, 09:34:41 am
Just returned in from feeding everything. 9" of snow in the back garden-- the pup thinks it is wonderful, but I'm not so sure !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2010, 10:21:25 am
Just come back from walking in Colwyn Heights and there has been more snow overnight and there were two mini snow ploughs out in St Andrews Road.     The Pen Y Bryn Car park is covered in deep snow and just one chap digging out a driveway from the gate to the front door. Looks like 4 X 4 vehicles only for the car park.
No milk,bread or papers at the shop but I got my lottery ticket just in case and only one lady working there as the others probably hadn't been able to make it to work.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2010, 10:28:34 am
Just returned in from feeding everything. 9" of snow in the back garden-- the pup thinks it is wonderful, but I'm not so sure !

Glad Frizzy likes the snow, has he come in covered in snowballs?   Marco likes it too and when he comes in his legs are covered in them but at least he enjoys it.  The snow is quite deep here and we had another snowfall overnight.
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Post by: Paddy on December 18, 2010, 10:50:15 am
It's all very pretty and festive but can we have a thaw now please so I can go to work?
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Post by: TheMedz on December 18, 2010, 10:55:36 am
A real "I don't believe it" Victor Meldrew moment. A gritter has just made it up the Orme.
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Post by: Ian on December 18, 2010, 11:32:29 am
CCBC has drawn from their pool of standby farmers with tractors and snow ploughs to clear the rural roads, but in many cases scraping off the top layer of snow simply makes it worse. The big 4 x 4s manage well in thick snow, but not when the road has been scraped unless it's also been heavily gritted.
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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 12:23:54 pm
Main road from colwyn bay to llandudno is clear, no. 12 buses are now running normally. Side roads are melting fast but still dangerous in places.
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Post by: Bellringer on December 18, 2010, 12:37:17 pm
Our local farmer went past with his big red tractor and snow-plough, last night and first thing this morning.

The weight of snow is making the lower branches on our monkey puzzle tree hang down!

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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 02:36:43 pm
Have been in central Llandudno all day - in that time, I've not seen one council employee, van, lorry. The pavements along the main shopping streets are absolutely lethal. I would call CCBC's response pathetic but that would imply that they had actually done something...and they haven't. If I was a shop, cafe, bar owner in Llandudno, I would be raising hell about this on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. Credit to the Victoria Centre who cleared the entire pavement along their frontage.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Yorkie on December 18, 2010, 03:02:00 pm
I remember years ago we would all clear our own frontages and throw out the cold ashes from the coal fires which we kept for such a purpose.  They were great for making the pavements easier to walk on.

In this weather you cannot expect the Council to do everything, especially as their workers are probably having the same problems as us with getting around.
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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 03:11:24 pm
I don't expect them to do everything, however, I do expect them to do something. If they can't at very least make an attempt to keep the busiest street in the whole of Conwy County free from snow, then what hope is there? They managed to do it a few years ago when we had heavy snow.
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Post by: Pendragon on December 18, 2010, 03:15:32 pm
Never mind the snow Hugo I just want your dog, its gorgeous  :D
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Post by: Bellringer on December 18, 2010, 03:39:31 pm
I have just seen a gritter lorry go past, driven by a man living just up the road - he seems to be working flat out.
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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 06:14:00 pm
In the old days, all of the Council's lorries had a bracket fitted on the front for use with a blade to clear snow, They also had a trailer attached with a salt spreading machine on, and a workman used to stand on the back of the lorry shovelling salt into it. This was used to clear all the flat minor roads in the area, leaving the main gritters to deal with the A roads.

In addition, two men in a tipper truck used to go around all the pedestrian crossings/bus shelters/main pavement areas in the town spreading grit/salt by hand.

What has happened to all this?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 06:15:57 pm
Llandudno Promenade this morning:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5271834876_dcb8250bfb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271834876/)
Llandudno Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271834876/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5271223923_3bb7d0ea61_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271223923/)
Llandudno Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271223923/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 06:24:39 pm
Llandudno Pier in the Snow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5164/5271866594_debfd93244_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271866594/)
Pier In the Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271866594/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: Jack on December 18, 2010, 06:41:43 pm
Have been in central Llandudno all day - in that time, I've not seen one council employee, van, lorry. The pavements along the main shopping streets are absolutely lethal. I would call CCBC's response pathetic but that would imply that they had actually done something...and they haven't. If I was a shop, cafe, bar owner in Llandudno, I would be raising hell about this on one of the busiest shopping days of the year. Credit to the Victoria Centre who cleared the entire pavement along their frontage.

I couldn't agree more, the pavements by Lloyds Bank and Trinity Church are absolutely horrendous, people grabbing hold to each other, the wall and anything else they can find.  Tonight will be horrendous for the Christmas partygoers with a drink or two inside them and ladies (and men!) in unsuitable footwear and the taxi drivers are in for a tough and slippy night.  CCBC are a disgrace, its a false economy not gritting, how much will it cost the NHS to treat the broken bones etc etc that possibly would have been preventable if the council had gritted what are major thoroughfares?
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 18, 2010, 06:47:05 pm
Geat pics as ever Dave  $cool$
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 18, 2010, 06:54:16 pm
We walked to the Co Op in Penrhyn Bay (we live in the Penrhyn Beach Estate) this morning, the roads were sheet ice, pavements were  ok to walk in the snow, only grit we saw was outside the Co Op. So where is the grit on the side roads and pavements, as has been said it's more expensive fixing broken bones etc (I slipped on ice almost 4 years ago and broke my right wrist badly, it now has metalwork in it) but I suppose as it comes from a different budget they think it does'nt matter, but it does! it's all  our money   :rage:
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Post by: DaveR on December 18, 2010, 07:24:46 pm
Pier in the snow:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5204/5271399063_d82b938903_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271399063/)
Llandudno Pier Snow Scene (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davellandudno/5271399063/#) by SnakeCorp (http://www.flickr.com/people/davellandudno/), on Flickr
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Post by: Fester on December 18, 2010, 08:28:10 pm
Thats the best Pic of all Dave.

This afternoon, Mrs F and I met Dave R for a coffee, and on the way to meet him it was not easy to walk, but with care it was passable.

However, on the way back to our car, it had dropped colder and the pavements were utterly lethal.
I watched people outside the NatWest slipping and falling.  2 police officers (PCSO's) were having a frindly chat with the landlord of The Townhouse...and I heard him mention that he had been TOLD NOT TO GRIT OUTSIDE !    God knows what that was all about.

I then did the reverse of the journey that Medz earlier related, going up The Orme, (last night that was impossible, I left the car on Upper Mostyn St)
As he said, it was OK up to Black Gate.... but as soon as I got onto Llwynon Road it was pretty scary stuff.
I inched the car into a safe-ish place, sliding all over the place.... and its not moving for the foreseeable future!

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Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2010, 10:40:30 pm
Great photos of Llandudno Dave, I especially like the one of the Pier in the snow.   I just wish that I could have driven to Llandudno to see the conditions for myself.   As it turned out I was going nowhere and spent the afternoon digging out my drive.
I'm hoping to get some of those Yaktrax from Cotswolds to make walking easier on the pavements up here as it's just lethal now.
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Post by: Nemesis on December 19, 2010, 10:53:33 am
Looking at your pics on another thread Hugo, don't think you'll be driving anywhere! safer to stay put-- cheese on toast for lunch ! Do take care.
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Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 11:21:30 am
As you know now Nemesis I'm going nowhere today and that's good advice of yours to stay put. It's much safer to do so.    I took Marco for a very short walk today and the icy conditions are even worse I was glad to get back in one piece.
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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 11:35:26 am
And it's cold this morning, -9C first thing and not much warmer now.
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Post by: DaveR on December 19, 2010, 11:48:05 am
It looks as though CCBC have finally been stirred into action in Llandudno. The pavements along Mostyn Street have been gritted.
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 19, 2010, 11:51:05 am
this morning it was -5 C in Penrhyn Bay, a heatwave compared to some!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 01:23:28 pm
The snow is melting a bit in the back of our house which is south facing but the front is frozen solid.   Our dog has been swishing his face in the snow and has been coming in with snowballs on his whiskers as well as his feet!
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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 06:51:47 pm
Currently -11C outside our front door here in Conwy
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Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 07:40:22 pm
It's the same inside my house Bellringer, the central heating boiler has finally died!      :weeping:
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Post by: DaveR on December 19, 2010, 07:43:18 pm
Oh no! Is it covered by a maintenance contract?
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Post by: Fester on December 19, 2010, 07:58:19 pm
 :o :o :o   If not,  let us all know on here.... I have a halogen heater I just bought.... I'll loan you that.

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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 08:21:54 pm
It's the same inside my house Bellringer, the central heating boiler has finally died!      :weeping:

I'm sorry to hear that Hugo. A few years ago we had trouble with our boiler a day or two before Christmas and there was no chance of getting a replacement part until early January. The engineer gave us the choice of having the heating or hot water and we chose the heating as that Christmas was a cold one too. Fortunately we had a gas hob and therefore able to heat water in the old kettle we had, and some saucepans. Missed having a shower for a few days but I think we chose the best option.
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Post by: Hugo on December 19, 2010, 08:53:32 pm
Dave, the boiler is 10 years old and we knew that it was on its last legs and didn't have a maintenance contract for it BUT we certainly will with our new boiler.

Fester, thank you very much for your kind offer which is really appreciated. We do have a good gas fire and also electic oil heaters so we should be ok and I've got a lot of warm walking gear that I'm putting to good use now.
The bedroom may be cold but we've got a 26 Tog duvet plus a quilt on top so we'll be as warm as toast once we decide to go to bed. I was hoping to watch Match of the Day tonight but that's off too.   :(

Bellringer,  there's never a good time for the boiler to go so I can sympathise with you there.  We'll get by the same as you did and will make sure that we get the security of a maintenance contract next time.

PS   Latest news:-
Thanks Bellringer for having a word with some one as if I'm not mistaken the boiler has just done a Lazarus and I can hear some noises coming from it and the radiators are already starting to warm up.  Hope it continues until the replacement arrives (whenever that may be)
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 19, 2010, 09:01:09 pm
10 years seems a short life for a boiler! we moved here in July and the boiler's working fine and it's ten years old! I'll keep my fingers crossed!
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Post by: Fester on December 19, 2010, 09:17:01 pm
Hugo, you are more than welcome.... it you decide you need anything just shout... I'll deliver!

10 years is too short a time for a boiler, the one at my last house was installed when the house was built in 1985, and was in fine fettle when I sold it this year.

I have a funny feeling that yours was just sulking....and it will be fine from now on!   <:<:<:<

 ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$ ££$

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Post by: Bellringer on December 19, 2010, 09:18:48 pm

Thanks Bellringer for having a word with some one

No problem, glad to be of service!
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 08:40:48 am
If ever there was a reason needed to have a local forum, the above was it.

I* VV %0%
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 08:55:25 am
This was Betws at 1510 yesterday.  Temperature had attained the dizzy heights of -8oC
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Post by: Nemesis on December 20, 2010, 08:57:37 am
Lovely-- but don't think I shall be venturing!
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 08:58:33 am
The trees were a magical sight
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 09:01:11 am
Took some of the blue cast out for this one
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Post by: Ian on December 20, 2010, 09:03:53 am
This was taken from the car...
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Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2010, 11:54:47 am
Lovely photos Ian, but they make me feel cold just looking at them.   
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Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2010, 12:09:32 pm
Around about  8.50 last night the boiler started up again and after a short while the house got warm again and was so warm that I could take off my gillet!       :)
The boiler is a Baxi Bahama Combi 100 which is nearly ten years old and I would have expected it to last a lot longer, Our previous boiler was about 30 years old when we replaced it with the Baxi but when I looked at the reviews of the Baxi  on the internet recently that model of boiler seems  to be plagued with problems.
I've read good reports on the Worcester Greenstar boilers and am tempted to go for one of those. Funnily enough we switched the boiler on today and it came on first time so fingers crossed for it to continue. 
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Post by: DaveR on December 20, 2010, 12:59:07 pm
One of the best reasons for having a new boiler fitted is that the latest ones are very energy efficient and will save a fortune in gas costs over their lifetime. Vaillant boilers are very good.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 20, 2010, 02:16:53 pm
Most of the new boilers are category A and are 90% efficient whereas my present Baxi is a category D and is about 79% efficient. I've heard good reports about the Vaillant boilers too and someone told me that if they ever need repairing then they are easier to access than the Worcester not that it makes any difference to me because I wouldn't be doing the repairs.
Our boiler started first time today but then went off on its own accord for a couple of hours but I've just heard it firing up again so fingers crossed.
A plumber phoned me up a short while ago and he is inundated with call outs but is going to phone me tomorrow and will call then if the boiler is still not working properly
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Post by: Yorkie on December 20, 2010, 03:14:42 pm
I had a Vaillant installed a few years ago when I put in my loft conversion and it has not been any trouble and works great.

Mark Forrest did the installation and his men were clean, tidy and efficient.  
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 02:01:50 pm
I drove my car for the first time in four days and went along Rhos Promenade to Llandudno and after dropping my wife off at M and S  I then went to Builder Street to drop my car off.  I knew the area had been badly hit but didn't realise just how bad it was. I haven't seen anything like it since the Winter of 1962/63, all the side roads are treacherous and you have to walk with care.   I was returning back to the Garage in Builder Street and turned left in Vaughan Street into Oxford Road when I noticed a man walking in the same direction munching a tasty looking bap.  The next minute he slipped on his back and the partly eaten bap went up in the air and all over the place.
Pity about the bap but thank goodness he was ok.
My thoughts are with the businesses like the Fat Cat and others that are losing money at this normally busy time of the year and for those like Paddy that have to work and drive in these conditions.  Hope that everyone will be safe and ok in this extreme weather.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 21, 2010, 02:09:33 pm
We're safe and well, but have resheduled Christmas until Jan 28th so hopefully our guests can travel safely and at least go out when they get here.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 03:07:36 pm
Glad to hear that you are safe and sound Nemesis, you just can't be too careful in this weather.  I was speaking to an elderly gent who lives nearby and he is due to see his daughter in the Midlands but doesn't want to go because of the weather but doesn't want to offend his daughter either.
I told him that he should speak to her and she'll understand how he feels and then he can go there when the weather improves and celebrate Christmas late.
We were due to go on a coach holiday on the 23rd but decided not to go and Marco was going into kennels in Eglwysbach which would be inaccessible now. I'm glad that we decided not to go now,
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 03:15:17 pm
I remember playing football against Maesgeirchen in Bangor years ago.  It was so cold that a river by the pitch had flooded and the whole pitch was like an ice rink!
We eventually played it instead on the Quay in Bangor and I remember playing with four wooly jumpers underneath my football strip and I was still cold.  The centre forward who I was marking was cold too and played the whole game in his donkey jacket, crazy or what!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 03:32:36 pm
I don't want to seem like the prophet of doom but this year there has been an exceptional amount of snowfall in the country and mid Wales has had more than it's fair share.  The river Severn rises there and if there is a very quick thaw then there may be floods lower down as experienced in Tewkesbury a few years ago.
I remember travelling by train to Cardiff many years ago and was amazed by the flood water on the way down there.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 03:48:12 pm
My thoughts are with the businesses like the Fat Cat and others that are losing money at this normally busy time of the year
Mr & Mrs Fester, together with myself, helped the Fat Cat out at lunchtime by stuffing our faces there. They were averagely busy, so are coping, I hope.

I noticed quite a thaw starting in town for a few hours in the early afternoon, lots of the side roads are a lot clearer.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 03:59:12 pm
I noticed this comment on the Druid's blog, which I thought was interesting:

"A lot of the trouble is the UK do not know how to handle the weather. In Germany it is your legal duty to clear your path and driveway and to clear the pavement outside your home/business to midway to the next one. If someone slips and injures themselves on your bit of pathway you are legally responsible not only for the injury bt also the medical costs of treating them (hence why Germans have personal liability insurance). Again people in North Germany have two sets of tyres - summer and winter. Winter tyres are softer, wider and with a wider grip. They also carry snowchains in their vehicles from October to March by law (along with 5 litres of fuel, a first aid kit, a bardic lamp and a breakdown triangle) and a minimum amopunt of cash €30 I think - incidentally, random car checks by the Polizei are very common in Germany and you don't get a fixed penalty for not having the kit - you get seized and your car towed away and it costs a fortune to get it back.

They also use a system known as 'Nachbarschaft'(watching neighbours) where school children between the ages of 12 & 16 are 'allocated' old people and people, sick people and living alone and they have to check on them, help them with their paths and run errands for them.

In France on the motorways they hold all vehicles at service stations and form convoys - one lorry, next one car alternately and escort them to the next service station etc."
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: MrFalafel on December 21, 2010, 04:03:23 pm
An elderly lady was interviewed on the radio about how people coped with snowy weather in Britain years ago and she said that the men on each street would shovel the snow from their street (and pavements!) and everyone would generally look after everyone. The government would look after the motorways and main roads but everyone else sorted out ther own streets.

From the above descrption of Germany it appears they still do what Britain has stopped doing. I wonder why we don't do this anymore?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Quiggs on December 21, 2010, 05:30:54 pm
When it was slippery, we used to put an old pair of socks over our shoes to provide a grip on the ice. Didn't do the socks much good though.  :D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 21, 2010, 07:12:18 pm
and then it snowed again! Just about managed to get "the sledge" up the Orme but any more and it will be impassable again up and down despite the road having been manually gritted this morning. The good news is today is the shortest day and we should now slowly but surely start to get the daylight back.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2010, 08:02:04 pm
An elderly lady was interviewed on the radio about how people coped with snowy weather in Britain years ago and she said that the men on each street would shovel the snow from their street (and pavements!) and everyone would generally look after everyone. The government would look after the motorways and main roads but everyone else sorted out ther own streets.

From the above descrption of Germany it appears they still do what Britain has stopped doing. I wonder why we don't do this anymore?

Up where I live we hardly get the chance.... because one sprightly old chap (well ino his 70's) clears the paths for everyone else!
He is a fabulous bloke, and very fit...as is his wife.
Last Friday, like me, they had to abandon theit car at Upper Mostyn St and walk up the Orme.
Unlike me, they carried loads of bags of shopping...and wouldn't hear of me helping them!
They breed 'em tough in these parts.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 08:04:04 pm
It's a blinking blizzard here now.  :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on December 21, 2010, 08:08:53 pm
Just arrived back from a family visit to the other side of Crewe and only encountered falling snow as we came along the South Chester by-pass. The snow became more noticeable from Abergele to Conwy via a stop in Junction. The signs on the A55 approaching the Junction say that the A470 to BYC is closed.

Glad to be home.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 21, 2010, 08:13:35 pm
Glad to be home.
You timed it well, Stan, another hour or so and it could have been very tricky.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on December 21, 2010, 08:22:54 pm
I did question the wisdom of going but the forecast was best of the week for today, so off we went to take an old auntie out for lunch etc.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 21, 2010, 08:56:03 pm
Snowing steadily here, bet we shall have fun tomorrow with all the ice underneath it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 21, 2010, 09:07:48 pm
Car embedded in the house inbetween Old Road and Ty Gwyn Road at Black Gate on the Orme.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 09:15:02 pm
It's snowing in Colwyn Heights and my drive is already covered in snow.  I'll need to dig the snow out early tomorrow because the plumber is coming here at 10.00am.
This must be the 4th time I've had to dig the snow out this month!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2010, 09:30:54 pm
Car embedded in the house inbetween Old Road and Ty Gwyn Road at Black Gate on the Orme.

What?  the one which used to be the old shop years ago?  No one hurt I hope....
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 21, 2010, 09:40:36 pm
It's a blinking blizzard here now.  :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:

to think one of the attractions of living here was the mld winters   _))*  its a pain but we still live in the best place  $wales  the weather forcast yesterday did'nt mention this did it? I thought it was meant to be warming up today ::)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 21, 2010, 09:56:45 pm
Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2010, 11:17:13 pm
I've just let the dog out before going to bed and it's snowing very heavily here in Colwyn Heights and there must have been at least 6 inches of snow this evening with more to come.
I know what my job will be for tomorrow---- snow clearance again!!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on December 21, 2010, 11:51:32 pm
Its been snowing like mad up here on the Gt Orme all night.
Just as the road was becoming useable again, we are back to square one. ))*

Our travel plans to visit family in Yorkshire for Xmas just took a negative turn.
I have an upset wife as she had all the pressies wrapped, food bought and cards written.

Ah well, such is life.   :( :( :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 08:03:38 am
*Looks out of window*
 >>>
*Goes back to bed*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2010, 08:22:01 am
Quote
I did question the wisdom of going but the forecast was best of the week for today

What I still find odd about all of his is the Met office's seeming inability to do the little things - like look out of the window.

Among its labyrinthine web pages, the met office has this one:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html)

 where you can see the warnings issued, read the detail and track the probable issues. Yesterday, the site singularly failed to show any snow falling on North Wales until 6.00pm, yet snow fell - and not inconsiderably - from 0900 onwards.  And it was continual.  Yet the only warning were for ice.  Very, very odd.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 22, 2010, 08:48:31 am
Quote
I did question the wisdom of going but the forecast was best of the week for today

What I still find odd about all of his is the Met office's seeming inability to do the little things - like look out of the window.

Among its labyrinthine web pages, the met office has this one:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html)

 where you can see the warnings issued, read the detail and track the probable issues. Yesterday, the site singularly failed to show any snow falling on North Wales until 6.00pm, yet snow fell - and not inconsiderably - from 0900 onwards.  And it was continual.  Yet the only warning were for ice.  Very, very odd.
 
and yet these same forcasters predict all of this climate change nonsense in 50 years time so that governments have an excuse to tax us more and they can't get tomorrow (or even today) right! :rage:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 09:32:43 am
Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.

Know the owner of the house in question. Hope he is OK.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 09:36:08 am
Its been snowing like mad up here on the Gt Orme all night.
Just as the road was becoming useable again, we are back to square one. ))*

Our travel plans to visit family in Yorkshire for Xmas just took a negative turn.
I have an upset wife as she had all the pressies wrapped, food bought and cards written.

Ah well, such is life.   :( :( :(


Same here but the other way round. No family, no paying guests, It's only common sense with the state of the roads. Saw a car do an impression of 'Dancing on Ice' down Arvon Ave this morning .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 09:43:25 am
Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.
I'd be very nervous if If I lived in that house. They definitely need a proper crash barrier in front of it. Any photos?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 09:57:52 am
Had a terrible job even fetching a paper, Can't manage to walk up there Sorry ! Imagine some of the locals will send pics-- hope so.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 09:59:32 am
Update from Arriva - No buses running in Llandudno or Colwyn Bay area.

This page is updated by Arriva on a regular basis:
http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/holdingpage/ServiceUpdate.pdf (http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/holdingpage/ServiceUpdate.pdf)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 22, 2010, 10:09:29 am
Our paperboy came on time again today.

I don't normally bother with Tudno FM but because trying to get any local news on the TV is a waste of time I switched on Tudno FM at 9am and again at 10am this morning to listen to their local and national news.

Unfortunately, there wasn't any.

What a shame.

In my opinion, today was an excellent opportunity for Tudno FM to rise to the occasion to serve our community.

Anyway, many congratulations to this Forum for providing a local service when it is needed most.

Keep up the good work.  $thanx$

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 10:15:24 am
You know, Bri, that's astonishing, because I was literally about to type exactly the same comment myself. I have Tudno FM on here and it is just back to back Christmas music since I switched it on. I had been hoping for information on the situation locally - what roads are open/closed, what buses/trains are running, those sort of things. Instead...nothing. What a waste of time.  ))*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 10:16:42 am
Arriva Trains Wales are currently showing delays of 60 minutes on all North Wales Coast services.

ATW service information here:
http://ht.ly/3t21p (http://ht.ly/3t21p)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2010, 10:31:31 am
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Instead...nothing. What a waste of time.

Perhaps we should make an approach to the TFM management team and suggest some sort or permanent liaison between TFM and 3Towns?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: MrFalafel on December 22, 2010, 10:32:17 am
I'm working away from North Wales this week and today is my last day. I now have the choice of driving back to Conwy tonight or tomorrow morning.

Looking at the Jam Cams it doesn't look very promising to travel tonight. But will tomorrow be any better?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northwestwales/#jamcams (http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/northwestwales/#jamcams)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2010, 11:17:53 am
It's bad up here on Colwyn Heights, when I went to the shops they only managed to get the papers from the Bay because someone had a 4 X 4 and went down for them. No other deliveries made to the shop and the car park at the Pen Y Bryn Pub is snowed up.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 11:57:16 am
I'm working away from North Wales this week and today is my last day. I now have the choice of driving back to Conwy tonight or tomorrow morning.

Looking at the Jam Cams it doesn't look very promising to travel tonight. But will tomorrow be any better?
The A55 is fine but the problem occurs when you leave it! I suspect things might improve a touch tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 11:59:46 am
Yes the old shop. Looks like it was empty at the time of the collision. No-one seems to be trapped in the car The Fire Brigade are here on site and the front of the house looks (in this light) to be somewhat less than vertical. They have only just had the work completed from  last years incident when a car did something similar but went straight through the front door. Might be time to install some fencing or a ram raid type of Bollard.
Photo below courtesy of Ali via Nemesis:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 12:04:41 pm
Some pics from up on the Orme, again courtesy of Ali via Nemesis:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2010, 01:04:29 pm
Those pictures show just how bad it is for everyone in the area, I wonder what time they were taken.   It's surprising how clear everything  is at night when there's snow on the ground
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 01:08:37 pm
As far as I know they were taken early this morning.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 22, 2010, 01:09:28 pm
I've just come in after visiting Asda where it is heaving and no doubt will be like that until 10pm tonight and beyond.

After the shopping, I went for a gym and swim at Llandudno Swimming Centre just after 12.30pm and it has already closed because of the weather.

No comment !!

I also went into Craig-y-Don after to check the office and I could not believe the roads still haven't been cleared/gritted along Mostyn Avenue and Queens Road since it first snowed last Friday afternoon.

The shop keepers cannot be very happy.

I suppose if they don't clear the road then Arriva will not be sending a Number 12 bus through to Llandudno from Rhyl for a while.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 01:14:09 pm
Problems?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 22, 2010, 01:33:27 pm
Just been having a coffee in Ninos in Rhos. The roads around there are melting quite well, all the pavements in Rhos have been gritted using some sort of small machine - good to see CCBC putting a bit of effort into the job at last. The No. 12 buses have just started to run again, I saw 5 of them all heading towards Llandudno!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2010, 02:39:30 pm
That's a lovely photo of Frizzy Nemesis, I bet he's enjoying himself in the snow.   
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 22, 2010, 03:14:39 pm
Thanks Hugo-- Yes he is, but keeps disappearing under it!. Good thing is it tires him out, so he sleeps then I can get some jobs done .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on December 22, 2010, 03:19:18 pm
DaveR, I don't think the Number 12's will be coming through C-y-D just yet.

http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/content.aspx?id=11548 (http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/content.aspx?id=11548)

BTW, DaveR (and other keen photographers), I have attended a funeral at the Crematorium this afternoon and I thought the journey from Black Cat Roundabout to and from Dolwyd was exceptionally picturesque with all the snow on the trees.

Your cameras will love that view if you manage to travel that way soon.




Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: suepp on December 22, 2010, 05:39:11 pm
This is a good site I've been checking the past few days, there's also a link where you type in a road number and get an update on conditions, just scroll downhttp://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=LL15%201XY (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=LL15%201XY)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2010, 06:53:28 pm
There was a photo of the car accident in the NWWN that crashed into the house in Ty Gwyn Road.  It was rather ironic as the driver was taking her sick child to hospital on Tuesday evening.The house owner had to be evacuated for his own safety because of fears a wall might collapse.
The condition of the road at the time looked awful
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on December 23, 2010, 07:54:50 pm
The house looks more than awful. Its in danger of falling apart. One wall has a 2 inch gap all the way up where from the outside if you walk past you can see the wallpaper on the inside wall. If that's not bad enough the 5 way Traffic lights since last Friday's crash are so far out of synch that some  people are going across on a red light rather than being a sitting duck when something comes down the hill and can't stop. I've rung the Council 3 times today to report the issue but they take my calls and appear to do sweet **** about it and say they are waiting for a contractor to turn up the remedy the problem. It's been relatively mild today but if it freezes then the house on the corner could have some more uninvited residents to contend with.If our local police contact is noting this then a quick word in the ear of the council wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2010, 10:46:48 pm
Like you've mentioned before Medz, this is not the 1st time that a car had hit that house but this year the weather has been worse than normal.
If CCBC don't act immediately something more serious could happen.  Have you tried e-mailing PC Smith, perhaps he can give the CCBC a kick in the pants to get this sorted out.
I believe that the Police warned the CCBC when there was black ice on the road between Abergele and Rhuddlan but nothing was done about it and as a result a car lost control on the ice and skidded into a group of cyclists killing four of them. No one wants that repeating on the Orme or anywhere else.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 24, 2010, 09:57:20 am
We were actually on that road the day of that terrible accident and were diverted off as it had just happened. The road conditions were appalling, black ice and freezing fog,
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: MrFalafel on December 24, 2010, 11:22:28 am
Horrible multi-car accident on the eastbound A55 by Abergele. One of the cars involved is an ambulance. I think it was caused by drivers having the sun shine in their eyes s the A55 turns towards it. Wet/shiny roads, dirty windscreens and sun low in the sky combined to completely blind drivers. I think people just plowed into each other. Saw lots of ambulances on the scene so it doesn't look good for some :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on December 24, 2010, 12:12:32 pm
Horrible multi-car accident on the eastbound A55 by Abergele. One of the cars involved is an ambulance. I think it was caused by drivers having the sun shine in their eyes s the A55 turns towards it. Wet/shiny roads, dirty windscreens and sun low in the sky combined to completely blind drivers. I think people just plowed into each other. Saw lots of ambulances on the scene so it doesn't look good for some :(
Sad news  :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 24, 2010, 03:03:19 pm
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news//tm_headline=three-hurt-in-a55-crash-in-north-wales%26method=full%26objectid=27882067%26siteid=55578-name_page.html (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news//tm_headline=three-hurt-in-a55-crash-in-north-wales%26method=full%26objectid=27882067%26siteid=55578-name_page.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2010, 04:12:53 pm
I'm a bit confused about the weather forecast for tomorrow as BBC North West Wales has said that Colwyn Bay will be sunny with a maximum temperature of 2 degrees and wind speed of 9 mph.  My wife was watching ITV and tomorrows forecast for this area is snow!
A bit of a difference, so as we have had enough snow up here I'm going to settle for the BBC's weather.
 D)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 24, 2010, 05:00:06 pm
Hugo:

Weather forecasting is a black art, and the best bet is to take several views of the weather and deduce what's likely to happen yourself.

Try these:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_forecast_radar.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_forecast_radar.html)

Pretty good forecast for Snowdonia itself

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/4 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/4)

The Beeb's own site.  Notoriously inaccurate, but gives a general trend.

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp? (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?)

World wide weather drawing on different sat systems

http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ (http://www.raintoday.co.uk/)

Where it's been raining recently

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp)

What the jetstream is up to - the cause of most of our current woes

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html)

Weather warnings for North Wales

If you read them all, you'll see they often seem contradictory, despite the fact that they all draw their data from the same source.  Snow is coming in on Boxing Day, BTW....

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on December 24, 2010, 09:56:37 pm
It really is 'deep and crisp and even' this evening, currently -9C here in Conwy.

Happy Christmas to all   VV I*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 26, 2010, 08:07:07 am
Met office issues a level 2 warning:

In addition, there is a risk of snow, heavy at times and accompanied by drifting in strong winds, spreading slowly across western parts of the UK through the day. At this stage there is considerable uncertainty regarding this aspect.

Starts warming up from Wednesday, though :-))
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 26, 2010, 08:51:28 am
Met forecasters haven't enjoyed a perfect record this year, but a lot of that is down to trying to understand fluid dynamics.  The Navier-Stokes equations (http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Navier-Stokes_equations) - the basic governing equations for a viscous, heat conducting fluid - were defined in the 19th C, yet we still don't comprehend them and they're part of the Clay Institutes's millennium project (http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Navier-Stokes_Equations/), which also offers £1m to anyone who can produce a Mathematical proof.

I'm not defending meteorologists, but having a younger son who's a fluid dynamics specialist has made me a little more tolerant of their failings :-))
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 26, 2010, 12:31:51 pm
This was this morning. The Lions Club said the sea temp. was minus 18 degrees.
Congratulations to the brave souls who slid along the prom and into the sea.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 26, 2010, 08:16:27 pm
Quote
   
This was this morning. The Lions Club said the sea temp. was minus 18 degrees.

In either C or F that would have produced a large, Irish-sea-sized block of ice  :)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 27, 2010, 08:52:27 am
MMMM I thought that too, think someone made a boo boo with their figures !
Didn't see any icebergs! ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 27, 2010, 08:53:30 am
yesterday we bought some of the snow / ice grips for our shoes at £14.99 from JJB sports

http://www.yaktrax.co.uk/yaktrax-shop/yaktrax-walker-pro/walker-black (http://www.yaktrax.co.uk/yaktrax-shop/yaktrax-walker-pro/walker-black)

truly remarkable, but most places have sold out, but after struggling on very icy pavements yesterday to see the swimmers we had to do something!  and now its all thawing out  _))*

Now why could'nt the Royal Mail have bought some for the postmen?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 27, 2010, 01:31:36 pm
Thanks for that info Merddin Emrys, I never thought of JJB.    I had been putting off going to the Cotswolds Outdoor place in Betws Y Coed because of the weather but as I'm going to Llandudno tomorrow I'll pop in to JJB'S.
The rain has washed a lot of snow away but what's left will probably freeze tonight and the Yaktrax will come in handy again anyway.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on December 27, 2010, 04:14:24 pm
Cunningham's in Betws y Coed had them in stock today, we were getting loads of bargains in the Hawkshead shop  D)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2010, 10:48:24 am
It was pouring with rain last night and the snow was melting very quickly. We were watching TV and could hear the snow sliding down the front roof and falling on the ground.
When I went out later to investigate I found out that it wasn't snow but chunks of ice, massive pieces in fact!
My thoughts were then about the rear of the house where we have a glassed roof conservatory!   :o     but we were lucky there, as no ice fell on it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 28, 2010, 12:08:46 pm
Just come back from Betwys-- weather down there was quite nasty, mist and heavy drizzle. Very icy underfoot as well. The poor folk being shuttled off the coach trips were all trailing hopefully across to the loos, but they were shut-- frozen up.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2010, 03:46:12 pm
Those old folks have got my sympathy, this cold weather would make anyone want to go to the loo.  I bet they all had their 20p ready too!     :o
I had a walk by the boating lake on the West Shore today and there is thick ice over most of it.  Some kids must have chucked some large rocks on the ice because the rocks are all still there.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2011, 05:32:30 pm
According to the TV news December 2010 has been the coldest December for 120 years!      But the world is having weather extremes everywhere. This afternoon on the TV news it mentioned Australia and said that an area the size of France and Germany had been affected by the floods in Queensland and showed Rockhampton under water. 
Jas has just come back over from that area and I wonder if the place that she had over there had been affected and like wise if my cousin Binky was affected too.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 02, 2011, 06:35:21 pm
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But the world is having weather extremes everywhere

It is, and the global warming proponents have been warning of extreme weather events such as we're experiencing for many years. 2010 was also almost the warmest year on record, globally.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 11, 2011, 05:27:53 pm
Queensland in Australia is having more problems with flooding, it seems to be getting worse and not better.  If you are reading this Jas, would your old house over there and also Binkie's have been affected by these floods?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 06, 2011, 12:35:08 pm
It's not nice down t'valley at the moment:

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 06, 2011, 12:36:01 pm
Cafe isn't open, either...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 06, 2011, 12:36:35 pm
But help is at hand...or not
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Trojan on February 06, 2011, 05:07:40 pm
 $cool$ The bottom photo, is that a residence on the right?

I was just imagining myself inside, standing behind the lower window, watching the rising water level.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on February 06, 2011, 05:13:48 pm
Yes, it's part of the Old Tannery complex. Think that area has been flooded on a few occasions. It's very pleasant in Summer:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Trojan on February 06, 2011, 05:16:59 pm
 $thanx$ What a contrast!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on February 07, 2011, 09:53:10 am
This photo in the Daily Post made me laugh, taken on the A470 just before Maenan. Some people really are thick.
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/dailypost/feb2011/7/2/pics-image-6-678885919.jpg)

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/02/07/man-s-body-recovered-from-swollen-river-near-corwen-55578-28124389/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/02/07/man-s-body-recovered-from-swollen-river-near-corwen-55578-28124389/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on February 07, 2011, 10:14:26 am
But what we all want to know, is did it get through??
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on March 08, 2011, 07:19:45 pm
I see that work has finally started on the walls of the old shop  at the top of Old Road.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on March 09, 2011, 08:50:01 am
Not before time-- haven't seen the chappie who lives/lived there for a week or two, but he still trails to Llandudno from the Bay.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Trojan on March 10, 2011, 02:37:30 am
Not before time-- haven't seen the chappie who lives/lived there for a week or two, but he still trails to Llandudno from the Bay.

Have you followed his trail?  8)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on April 01, 2011, 11:15:39 am
Spoor dear, spoor ! _))*
Just for the record, I haven't seen him for a number of weeks now.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Paddy on April 01, 2011, 06:48:41 pm
I spoke with him a week or two ago and he was his usual cheerful, chirpy self. He's living in Colwyn Bay at the moment but is hopeful that his current situation will bump him up a few places on the Council/Housing Association list.

Let's hope he finds some "stable" acommodation soon!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: TheMedz on October 19, 2011, 02:24:13 pm
Mid October and the gritters have just been out on the roads on Orme. Doesn't fill me full of joy at the prospects for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 19, 2011, 05:12:46 pm
OMG, but looking out of the window just now I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: stephenprudence on October 20, 2011, 12:33:32 am
Why would the gritters be out on the Orme?

Llandudno (including the Orme) is one of the mildest climates in the entirety of the UK.

Tonight the whole country is getting a frost, except the coasts.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 20, 2011, 10:57:28 am
Plenty of grit still on the road, even after last night's torrential rain.
Title: Weather
Post by: dwsi on January 02, 2012, 09:04:53 pm
Time to batten down the hatches for the next couple of days - brace yourselves!  aaa.gif

Hourly forecast for Llandudno, Wales (United Kingdom) – yr.no http://bit.ly/tcGUh3 (http://bit.ly/tcGUh3)
(if it appears as norwegian, click on 'English' in the top right)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 02, 2012, 11:41:54 pm
It is the Gales and string winds that I can't stand.
It seems to me that there are far more instances of strong winds than in the past.

Its not just that I have moved to an exposed coastal area, because where my family live in Yorkshire seem to be getting battered more regularly by high winds too.

I know that we see constant data on increases in temperatures due to climate change, but I would like to see some data on wind onditions over the years of my lifetime.  I am certain that the increase in gales would be very dramatic.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 03, 2012, 09:41:44 am
We've had a ridge tile blown off and land in front off the car, scratching the front bumper in several places, if I'd parked the car just six inches further forwards it would have hit the headlight etc  :o   The house insurance does not cover damage to the car and if something from a  neighbour's property hits your car they are only liable if its due to negligence, otherwise it's an act of god...  Now I have to find a good tradesman to fix the roof!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 03, 2012, 11:32:44 am
I have been told to use Gaz Hughes roofing (from the Gt Orme) in the past.

It was really difficult getting any sleep last night.  Bloody gales, howling all around.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 03, 2012, 11:41:41 am
Dean Seager is having a look this afternoon, I've got the car looking a bit better already!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 03, 2012, 01:18:23 pm
It was really difficult getting any sleep last night.  Bloody gales, howling all around.
Really? I slept soundly all night.  Must be something to do with the fact I don't live halfway up an exposed headland.  :P
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 03, 2012, 06:34:38 pm
Dean Seager is having a look this afternoon, I've got the car looking a bit better already!

Of Course!!  Dean Seager.... I should have realised... yes, you'll be fine there.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on January 03, 2012, 06:58:17 pm
Heavy duty Garden trellis x 2 snapped off completely  taking some of the clematis with them and a half full wheely bin dislodged from what I thought was a wedged in situation and blown down the drive. Just as well my son had gone back home yesterday evening or his car would have been right in it's path. I can only imagine what the gusts must have felt like at the viewing point on Anglesey Road.  It would be interesting to know if the kite surfers have been out off West Shore today.What I also  can't get my head round is that is then followed by blue skies during the day.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 04, 2012, 01:40:48 pm
Dean Seager is having a look this afternoon, I've got the car looking a bit better already!

Of Course!!  Dean Seager.... I should have realised... yes, you'll be fine there.

Dean came round this morning and got G Hughes round to have a look, hopefully if it's dry tomorrow he can sort it.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 05, 2012, 10:53:42 am
Wind is really getting up again now, part of the Promenade in Rhyl is closed apparently.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 05, 2012, 11:26:46 am
It's probably clogged up with recycling bags and boxes blown from here!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 05, 2012, 12:01:20 pm
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I know that we see constant data on increases in temperatures due to climate change, but I would like to see some data on wind onditions over the years of my lifetime.  I am certain that the increase in gales would be very dramatic.

The biggest danger behind climate change is the increase in extreme events, rather than simple increased temperatures. The variation in wind speeds can be found here (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/#gust_speed) and a glance at the temperature variation (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/#temperature) is revealing.

However, there's a lot more to the issue, and it seems there are no simple answers. (http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html).  2010 was the hottest year on record (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2010/12/2010_hottest_climate_year_on_r.html?hpid=news-col-blog) and the US climate change program offers this pdf (http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap3-3/sap3-3-final-all.pdf) for more information.

The graphs below also show how the extremes increase with the energy being added to the global system.

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2012, 01:36:35 pm
I had a drive around the Marine Drive this morning and stopped to take a photo of the lighthouse and got quite wet as the spray from the waves was soaking me. One shaky photo and back in the car very quickly!
The other one was taken near the Church and looking towards Pigeon's Cave
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 05, 2012, 02:06:20 pm
Ian, Thanks for the response and the information.
The met office data gives me highest ever wind speeds by region, (e.g. 124mph in S Wales in 1974 etc..)

What I am after is some kind of trend data over the years...
For example, ''how many days per year has the wind exceeded 50mph, in a given region''
Its probably not available, but only that kind of information can back up my theory that is is getting more windy, more often.

I'm bloody sick of it, thats all I know!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 05, 2012, 02:56:14 pm
I think it's always been windy in Llandudno, I've known it called Windy city for years!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on January 05, 2012, 04:25:28 pm
I think it's always been windy in Llandudno, I've known it called Windy city for years!

Before we moved to Penrhryn Bay we lived in Gloddaeth Avenue also known as Pneumonia Avenue.  The wind there was always blowing straight down the road, either South West from West shore or North East from North shore.   Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 ZXZ
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 05, 2012, 05:27:14 pm
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What I am after is some kind of trend data over the years.

Happy to help:

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bellringer on January 05, 2012, 08:22:35 pm
I thought this wind was supposed to moderate this afternoon - it seems to be nearly as strong as ever at present.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2012, 10:07:55 am
Thanks Ian!

So, there is a slight trend of strengthening.... but its slight.
What I believe is happening is that there are very strong wind events, occurring more times per year...
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2012, 10:25:00 am
Surely you notice it more since you moved to a house in a far more exposed location? Conversely, since I moved from Penrhyn Bay, I notice it far less.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 06, 2012, 11:31:22 am
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So, there is a slight trend of strengthening.... but its slight.


Actually, 2% might seem small, but it's probably significant. I know that if average temps fell by only 2 degrees, it could trigger a new ice age. 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Jack on January 06, 2012, 03:46:31 pm
Surely you notice it more since you moved to a house in a far more exposed location? Conversely, since I moved from Penrhyn Bay, I notice it far less.

I sort of have to agree with Mr Fester, I've lived in the same Llandudno house for 14 years and I'm sure that it is windier more often and that the wind is stronger.  I realise that this isn't very scientific but in the early years of living in the house I didn't have any where near as many sleepless nights of worrying if the roof is going to blow off as I do now.   ;D
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: dwsi on January 06, 2012, 04:44:43 pm
I work outdoors and this winter has been the windiest and wettest for a long while
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: hollins on January 08, 2012, 05:01:51 pm
Hopefully we are due a nice day of weather tomorrow if "red sky at night" has anything to do with it.
We don't normally get a good sunset here but tonight it was beautiful. No match for your seaside ones though!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Blodyn on January 08, 2012, 09:56:16 pm
Lovely photos, Hollins. 

Lovely to meet you the other day, too. 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: hollins on January 09, 2012, 07:33:42 am
 $thanx$

Lovely to meet you too.
Hope you get plenty of sales.

 ££$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on January 09, 2012, 08:30:14 am
After a fairly grey and wet start to the day what a wonderful finish. We stopped off at West Shore yesterday evening on our way back home and walked along the front (and over the new sand dunes!), feeling extremely fortunate to live here.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 09, 2012, 08:35:28 am
 $cool$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 09, 2012, 11:03:29 am
yes, great pics of of a beautiful place!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: jane B on January 09, 2012, 03:52:19 pm
Really stunning pix!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Blodyn on January 10, 2012, 09:16:30 am
What lovely views.  I was on the opposite side of the Orme and from the bit of sunset I could see I thought that it might be rather nice over West Shore, so thanks for posting the pictures, it's nice to see what I missed. 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on January 12, 2012, 09:33:59 pm
For those of you wishing to see a rarity weather wise (Fester you will like this one) take a quick look at the realtime weather before it changes too much

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/colwyn_bay_forecast_weather.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/colwyn_bay_forecast_weather.html)

the "gusts" column is usually anything from 30 +  to 60 MPH.

Currently no gust anticipated for the next 4 days.

I noticed that the wind direction has also changed for the first time in a long time to be coming in from the East.

Way to much time on my hands obviously!

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: dwsi on January 12, 2012, 11:31:12 pm
live weather and webcam for Llandudno http://bit.ly/uSLEXV (http://bit.ly/uSLEXV)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 05, 2012, 01:22:15 am
See this article here...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-16889200 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-16889200)

With its high salt content, I didn't realise that the sea could freeze like this!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Paddy on February 05, 2012, 07:24:51 am
Fester, have you never watched Deadliest Catch? I think (please don't quote me) sea water freezes at around -7c if it's not moving too much.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 15, 2012, 05:39:18 pm
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/15/lightning-bolt-splits-tree-in-half-in-north-wales-storm-55578-31187401/#.T9tkeb-4zRM.email (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/06/15/lightning-bolt-splits-tree-in-half-in-north-wales-storm-55578-31187401/#.T9tkeb-4zRM.email)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on October 30, 2012, 10:35:50 pm
Some great photos of Hurricane Sandy here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225108/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Obama-declares-major-disaster-New-York-39-people-die-Superstorm.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225108/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Obama-declares-major-disaster-New-York-39-people-die-Superstorm.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on November 04, 2012, 12:15:02 am
Lots of excellent (and astonishing) photos of the damage caused by the Hurricane here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225865/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Shocked-Obama-flies-Atlantic-City-disaster-zone.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225865/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Shocked-Obama-flies-Atlantic-City-disaster-zone.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Blodyn on November 07, 2012, 07:42:55 pm
Very dramatic photographs there, Dave.  So very sad for all the people affected, not forgetting those in the Caribbean too. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 17, 2013, 09:48:25 am
If you don't already know, the Met Office is warning of gusts in excess of 70mph this afternoon and overnight.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: dwsi on April 17, 2013, 10:00:03 pm
Have a look at this website for live weather updates on a map http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ (http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on April 17, 2013, 10:06:16 pm
Have a look at this website for live weather updates on a map http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ (http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/)
I see it's currently reporting gusts of 64km/hour at Conwy Marina.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2013, 10:47:33 am
"A spokeswoman for Conwy Council said: "It was a busy night, with reports of trees and large branches down at a number of locations across the county borough. The strong winds also brought down advertising hoardings, a lamp column (Tir Llwyd) and a bus shelter (Abergele).The Cefn Berain to Henllan Road is currently closed, due to a fallen tree. Electricity lines are also down in the area, which has been reported to Scottish Power Manweb."
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: dwsi on April 18, 2013, 03:26:54 pm
There was also reports of a well known local photographer being blown off the Great Orme while he was taking photos of West Shore
 ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2013, 06:39:34 pm
There was also reports of a well known local photographer being blown off the Great Orme while he was taking photos of West Shore
 ;D
Funnily enough,l nearly was! I was on Invalids Walk, standing on that outcrop of rock above the Hospice trying for a pic of the Estuary when a gust nearly took me off my feet.  :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on May 19, 2013, 09:45:54 pm
Now it seems that since 1998 there has been a STANDSTILL in the warming of the worlds climate.

That is obviously great news, but it seems inconsistent with the scare stories that we have been bombarded with for the last decade or so!

See here...  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567023 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22567023)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 20, 2013, 07:42:09 am
Not really. Most of the 'scare stories' emerge from poor reporting in tabloids where only the most extreme examples of warming are illustrated and science - particularly fluid dynamics - just doesn't work like that.

Many years ago it was noted that the atmospheric carbon dioxide content was rising, and  that continues just as predicted. And the use of the term 'standstill' isn't accurate, either; it's simply that the warming trend has not increased as fast as some were concerned it might. In that sense the article also contradicts itself, the headline splash talking about a 'standstill' and then, a couple of paragraphs down, saying:

"The slowdown in the expected rate of global warming has been studied for several years now".

It's either a slowdown or a standstill;  not sure they can have it both ways.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on May 20, 2013, 08:28:11 pm
I read an article on the web today on this subject.  I couldn't post the link to here because I was reading it my iphone at the time, it was on an unrelated forum.

But the thrust of the article was interesting, as it concluded that if the 3 hot-spot weather stations on Earth are taken out of the equation, (because they are in volatile areas such as deserts or unreliable data gathering locations) .... then there has actually been a slight COOLING of the Earth's average temperatures over the last decade.

All this is somewhat contradictory to the Al Gore type shock-documentaries we have seen over that time.

Its not just tabloids either, because the BBC and ITN news channels have run many articles and features about this impending doom scenario many times.

I wonder what the overall scientific conclusions will really show?  We are after all dealing with the future of our planet, and restricting our economic prosperity because of this issue, so its pretty important stuff!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2013, 07:51:52 am
There's a lot in what you say, and I agree that the media - including some TV documentaries - haven't really helped understanding of the situation.  But weather and atmosphere are among the most complex subjects of the physical sciences, if only because - as yet - we don't possess the mathematical models necessary to really comprehend what's happening.

What we do know is that CO2 levels have been rising inexorably for thousands of years, and that most of the rise has taken place in the last 200. We also know that - as carbon dioxide becomes a greater part of the atmospheric mix, more heat will be retained by the atmosphere, and that heat will eventually change the nature of our environment.

However, it's also known that there are more factors influencing our climate than just CO2 levels, the most significant of which is the Sun. Sunspots have an 11 year cycle, but the last cycle went low in 2006 and hasn't recovered.  We know the last time there was that level for an extended period was during the Mini-Ice age, which started on about 1650 and lasted until the early 19th century.

But it doesn't stop there; the Earth's orbit is complex, and we swing around the sun coming to within 91m miles during mid-winter, and 93 million in mid-summer, while there are also long-term changes in orbits, which mean that we're actually moving away from the sun at the moment and - this might be the most interesting  - under normal circumstances in the past, the trajectory we're on has led to an ice age.

All this means that being sure about the consequences of the extra CO2 we're putting into the atmosphere is a tough call and is affected by so many other factors, many of which we don't pretend to understand, that accurate short-term predications are really impossible.  What the responsible climatologists are saying, however, is that does that mean we should ignore what we know we're doing to the atmosphere?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on May 21, 2013, 08:33:43 am
Or in other words "we're all doomed! "  :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2013, 10:48:28 am
Probably... Z@@
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on May 21, 2013, 11:06:57 am
Has anyone come up with figures showing the amount of CO2 that was created in the Victorian age.
Just think about how much coal was being burnt at that time,factories,mills ,steam trains ,shipping etc. 
The amount of CO2 created from burning coal today in Europe must be a fraction of what it was then. That being so what is generating all this CO2, is it all a load of hot air designed to increase our energy bills.
We have enough coal under the ground in Britain to last for hundreds of years.
The green movement is costing us all dear. It is doubtfull the windfarm subsidies will be refunded  before they are obsolete in 50 years time. By that time the companies involved will have trousered the money, and moved on, leaving the next generation to clear up the mess.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 21, 2013, 11:22:14 am
CO2 ppm are worked out through fossil records and, in more recent times, through examination of trees, so we know with some accuracy how much was being produced. 

Quote
The amount of CO2 created from burning coal today in Europe must be a fraction of what it was then. That being so what is generating all this CO2, is it all a load of hot air designed to increase our energy bills.

You're right, but the rapidly developing economies of both China and India are more than compensating.  Additionally, the rise in vehicle emissions has introduced a lot more.  Cows also produce a lot, of course  ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: born2run on May 21, 2013, 12:37:13 pm
Has anyone come up with figures showing the amount of CO2 that was created in the Victorian age.
Just think about how much coal was being burnt at that time,factories,mills ,steam trains ,shipping etc. 
The amount of CO2 created from burning coal today in Europe must be a fraction of what it was then. That being so what is generating all this CO2, is it all a load of hot air designed to increase our energy bills.
We have enough coal under the ground in Britain to last for hundreds of years. The green movement is costing us all dear. It is doubtfull the windfarm subsidies will be refunded  before they are obsolete in 50 years time. By that time the companies involved will have trousered the money, and moved on, leaving the next generation to clear up the mess.

No we don't  :o

Even if we COULD get it all (which we can't!) We are only talking 200 trillion cubic feet
at the moment we go through about 3tcf a year - Reading the latest IOD report, it's expected we will be able to recover less than around 15% of our total reserves. Your figure of hundreds of years could only possibly be 15-20 years at most
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on May 22, 2013, 12:32:27 am
One of the biggest factors at work here is that we are pumping CO2 int the atmosphere, but also destroying the forests which create the oxygen to compensate for this.

So its a bit like smoking more, but removing a lung too.  A worrying scenario.

I remember being about 9 years old at school, and a teacher was telling us about the relative percentages of Oxygen, to CO2 and Nitrogen in our air.
I asked whether the percentages would change as the Earth's population increased, and could we have less oxygen and end up like flies in a bottle?
The teacher told me not to be so stupid, it could never change, and I would get a clout if I asked such stupid questions in future.   :-X
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 22, 2013, 08:15:58 am
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One of the biggest factors at work here is that we are pumping CO2 int the atmosphere, but also destroying the forests which create the oxygen to compensate for this.

Indeed, which is why you can now Buy your own piece of Rainforest (http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/content/articles/2007/03/27/world_land_trust_general_feature.shtml) through a scheme in which the land is eventually returned to the indigenous peoples. 

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I asked whether the percentages would change as the Earth's population increased, and could we have less oxygen and end up like flies in a bottle?
The teacher told me not to be so stupid, it could never change, and I would get a clout if I asked such stupid questions in future.

Primary school teachers have a lot to answer for. At roughly the same age, I remember trying to explain why the world wasn't perfectly spherical (she used the word 'round'). My father had told me the world bulged at the equator and was flattened at the poles but she snapped that that was nonsense. Funny how you remember that sort of put-down - especially when it was from ignorance...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on May 22, 2013, 08:47:52 am
Seems there's more good news (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12129.html)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 04, 2013, 07:44:03 am
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I remember being about 9 years old at school, and a teacher was telling us about the relative percentages of Oxygen, to CO2 and Nitrogen in our air.
I asked whether the percentages would change as the Earth's population increased, and could we have less oxygen and end up like flies in a bottle?
The teacher told me not to be so stupid, it could never change, and I would get a clout if I asked such stupid questions in future.

Seems like some things don't change (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/estyn-warning-science-teaching-wales-4045215), F.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/estyn-warning-science-teaching-wales-4045215 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/estyn-warning-science-teaching-wales-4045215)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 21, 2013, 05:11:33 pm
Amber warning of thunderstorms for Conwy issued by the Met Office:

"Issued at:
1149 on Sun 21 Jul 2013

Valid from:
0000 on Tue 23 Jul 2013

Valid to:
2359 on Wed 24 Jul 2013

During this period, all but some northwestern areas of the UK come under a much increased risk of seeing thunderstorms or longer spells of thundery rain, with some torrential downpours in places. The peak risk transfers northeastwards with time and will probably be clear of most southern and western areas of Britain by the start of Wednesday.  This update to the Alert issued yesterday, includes areas as far north as southern Scotland; further updates are likely.

The public should be aware of the risk of localised disruption to travel,  and more generally to summer holiday activities, due to  (for example) surface water flooding."

However, they're expecting heavy but scattered storms to appear from about 0600 tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 22, 2013, 12:50:08 pm
Issued at:
1037 on Mon 22 Jul 2013

Valid from:
1500 on Mon 22 Jul 2013

Valid to:
2200 on Mon 22 Jul 2013
   

Isolated thunderstorms with very heavy rain, hail and gusty winds are possible later this afternoon and early evening.

The public should be aware of the risk of very localised surface water flooding, particularly if the thunderstorms affect urban areas.         

Increasingly hot and humid conditions are likely across many central and southeastern parts of England during today, with the high temperatures likely to trigger a few intense thunderstorms during the late afternoon and evening. These could produce 30 mm of rain in less than an hour, large hail and also squally winds.         

   Local Authorities affected and associated warning levels
   Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Wrexham
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on July 22, 2013, 01:07:52 pm
Thanks for the info, Ian. Its feeling very hot and sticky today.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 02, 2014, 02:31:37 pm
Interesting couple of rather dramatic youtube videos which show the effect of the big storm on December 5th on West Kirby and a big Volvo...

West Kirby Storm Surge 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGxzujen74#ws)

West Kirby Storm Surge, 5th December, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ewdjB2OeY#ws)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 04, 2014, 10:18:14 pm
Interesting couple of rather dramatic youtube videos which show the effect of the big storm on December 5th on West Kirby and a big Volvo...

West Kirby Storm Surge 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGxzujen74#ws)

West Kirby Storm Surge, 5th December, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ewdjB2OeY#ws)
Amazing scenes.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on January 06, 2014, 08:01:48 am
The International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) is open in Las Vegas this week, and I have just received advance information on a new communications system that is virtually cost free to install and maintain.  No technical information yet as to how it operates but here is a picture which gives a good representation of the hardware.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2014, 12:54:37 pm
That seems to be about my level of technology Yorkie,  but my Dad would still struggle with that I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2014, 01:35:49 pm
Those people who insist on playing 'Russian Roulette' with the sea and the storms only have themselves to blame.

Dave R, take note!    This was PorthCawl earlier.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Merddin Emrys on January 06, 2014, 03:41:25 pm
A great picture that, remins me of a submarine!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2014, 03:45:00 pm
Those people are very stupid. You have to be very aware at all times of where the waves are in relation to yourself, and be ready to move back out of danger in an instant. I believe someone had to be rescued from Aberystwyth Prom a day or so ago after getting trapped while taking photos.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 06, 2014, 03:52:49 pm
Those people who insist on playing 'Russian Roulette' with the sea and the storms only have themselves to blame.
I know. I saw this guy earlier at West Shore:
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on January 06, 2014, 03:57:51 pm
Interesting couple of rather dramatic youtube videos which show the effect of the big storm on December 5th on West Kirby and a big Volvo...

West Kirby Storm Surge 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGxzujen74#ws)

West Kirby Storm Surge, 5th December, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ewdjB2OeY#ws)

I've just got round to watching those.
Terrible storm, and I think the lady doing the filming was pretty much trapped where she stood!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 06, 2014, 05:54:03 pm
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You have to be very aware at all times of where the waves are in relation to yourself, and be ready to move back out of danger in an instant.

The real problem with big wave weather is that every so many waves get 'in sync' and the resultant 7th or 8th wave is truly enormous.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Barbiroli on January 06, 2014, 08:40:43 pm
you should not be in any position of danger at any time. amen.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2014, 07:18:12 am
After about a week of having only half a roof the shed on my golf course has now been repaired.
 It was'ent fixed quicker because it was just too dangerous to fix last week, then, so I am told,thewinddropped at the weekend but, of course, quote "we dot work at weekend"
 Yesterday, in desperation, by phone I said all my gear is getting ruined ad liable to be stolen, you must doit today. Your quote, I,ll double it ifi get there now, gale or no gale. So, job done at last

 But, the message I am getting ---  your trailer has been tipped on its end. Must have been some mighty gale or three or four strong vandals out for a laugh.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on January 07, 2014, 09:52:23 am
Are not the Council liable to pay for for repairs, since they own the course?
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2014, 11:08:41 am
I never went to Llanddwyn and Newborough Forest this year so I never saw the work that had been done this Summer
£600k Newborough walkway collapses in storm

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/600k-newborough-walkway-collapses-storms-6478650 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/600k-newborough-walkway-collapses-storms-6478650)

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=newborough+beach+storm&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vtfPUsrKJcKs7QafzIGoAQ&ved=0CDgQsAQ (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=newborough+beach+storm&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vtfPUsrKJcKs7QafzIGoAQ&ved=0CDgQsAQ)

Hugo: I've fixed the first link as it wasn't working. As a general rule, it's usually best to skip the URL link above, as it tends to present problems.   
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 12:41:35 pm
For future reference:

To use the Insert Hyperlink button: [smg id=3248]

1. Post any word you want to describe the link, say - Newborough.
2. Select the word: i.e. double-click in the word so it changes colour.
3. Click the Hyperlink [smg id=3248] button
4. Immediately after the first "url" type an equals sign "=" but don't move the cursor from there.
5. Paste the actual URL at that point.

Now, before you hit "Post", it looks like this:

[smg id=3249]

but after you hit "Post" it will appear like this:

[smg id=3250]

So when anyone clicks on an underlined word like that, they'll be taken to the site you've linked to.


Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 10, 2014, 01:55:23 pm
=weather (http://=weather)

Ian, why is the = still there?
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 02:24:21 pm
Because you mistyped it. This is what you've done:

[smg id=3251]

There are several equals signs, and there doesn't appear to be a URL. Immediately after the equals sign you have to post the URL, otherwise all you'll get is garbage.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 02:39:47 pm
Here's how you link to BBC weather:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/)

is the URL.  So, you want to link through the single word "Weather".

Double-click the word "weather" to select it.

Now click the insert-hyperlink button. This appears:

[ url ] Weather [ /url ]

Now insert the equals sign Immediately after the first "url" so it looks like this:

[ url = ] Weather [ /url ]

NB: I've added spaces so it displays in here correctly.
Now add the actual URL or web address, if you prefer:

[ url = http :// www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/)] Weather [ /url ]

Again, I've added spaces so it displays in here correctly.

Now. when you click "Post" this appears:

 Weather (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/)




Title: Re: Weather
Post by: hollins on January 10, 2014, 02:45:26 pm
You've lost me on that one so I hope this link works. Some before and after weather pics on Wales online if you haven't seen them already.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 10, 2014, 03:01:13 pm
weather (http://)  $thanx$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 03:33:14 pm
There's still no URL in it, Bri.

[ url = http:// ]weather [ /url]

I use capitals for URL when I'm referring to the actual web address that appears in your browser.  I use lower case "url" when I'm referring to the "Insert hyperlink" button.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 03:36:32 pm
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You've lost me on that one so I hope this link works. Some before and after weather pics on Wales online if you haven't seen them already.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842)

It does.  But if you were to use the button, and simply paste that entire link immediately after the equals sign, which is itself immediately after the first "url". then you'd get this:

Weather! (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842)

The thing used to produce that looks like this (with spaces I've added):

[ url = http : //www .walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/wales-weather-16-amazing-before-6476842][ /url ]

I'm adding spaces because if I don't, then the software will hide all the bits and simply show 'Weather" as a link.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2014, 05:20:46 pm
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Hugo: I've fixed the first link as it wasn't working. As a general rule, it's usually best to skip the URL link above, as it tends to present problems. 


Thanks again Ian for your help on posting the links     $good$

I think Dave was there just before the storms so he'll appreciate how much damage was done there.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 06:36:25 pm
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I can,t find a way to delete this post, so I have had to leave it.

All done :-))
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 10, 2014, 06:57:02 pm
Here's the FAQ entry for inserting links:

[
Inserting a hyperlink without all the long gubbins that goes with it can be tricky.

Firstly, you have to find the 'Insert URL" button.. It's here:

[smg id=473]

When you try to insert a hyperlink, you get this:

[smg id=470]

What it doesn't tell you is that you need to manually insert the url as shown (don't miss the equals sign):

[smg id=471]

To expand it further, if we use this place as an example, your hyperlink should show as thus:

[smg id=2395]

This will then appear as


Our forum is here (http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/)
 
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on January 29, 2014, 09:56:14 am
Yesterday, for a couple of hours, the Orme was right at the centre of the Low Pressure system.  We stood at the top and watched the clouds circling around us - moving right to left wherever we looked. Very similar to being in the eye of a hurricane; utterly still and some sunshine.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: DaveR on March 17, 2014, 03:53:07 pm
Thick fog in Llandudno early on Thursday morning last week, here are a few photos:
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on March 17, 2014, 06:51:32 pm
 $good$ Good pics Dave.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2014, 07:25:21 pm
I was on a plane from Egypt on Friday morning, which somehow managed to land at MCR in the thickest fog I have ever seen.

It was the most frightening landing I have ever had, and I've had many hundreds of them.

I picked my car up at 2am and set off with visibility down to only a few feet.  I assumed the fog would lift soon and that I could speed up a bit towards Chester....but NO!

It was like that for my entire (slow) journey, and if I had known that, I would have checked in to a hotel.
Much of the M56 and A55 are not even lit, it was a real ordeal, and I have felt tired ever since.

People were overtaking me at approx 50 mph, which seemed crazy, as you really could not see what you were driving in to.
Mrs Fester was terrified all the way home!
When I came over Penrhyn Hill, I could not see the 'Welcome' sign, but I was mightily pleased to get home.
I have never known such thick fog expand over such a massive area.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Michael on March 17, 2014, 08:10:30 pm
  Driving wise fog is the only thing I am frightened of. Snow, ice, floods, flat tyres ,no brakes, no lights I  can cope with.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on March 17, 2014, 09:21:04 pm

I have never known such thick fog expand over such a massive area.

You obviously never experienced the dreadful London Smogs that we had in the  40's and 50's.  Easier for you to Google it than for me to write a book here!   ZXZ
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2014, 06:54:35 am
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I was on a plane from Egypt on Friday morning, which somehow managed to land at MCR in the thickest fog I have ever seen.

Manchester is a Cat III enabled airport, so the plane would have landed itself. Happened to us, once.  Usually, the pilot tells the passenger - after the landing :-)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on March 18, 2014, 08:57:04 am
In the mid-50s we had such smog that cars were getting lost on roundabouts and people started wearing masks if they had to walk anywhere.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on March 19, 2014, 10:52:13 pm
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I was on a plane from Egypt on Friday morning, which somehow managed to land at MCR in the thickest fog I have ever seen.

Manchester is a Cat III enabled airport, so the plane would have landed itself. Happened to us, once.  Usually, the pilot tells the passenger - after the landing :-)

So, perhaps we should do away with all pilots now, and maybe less Malaysians would go missing?  I'm being serious.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on March 20, 2014, 07:25:41 am
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So, perhaps we should do away with all pilots now, and maybe less Malaysians would go missing?  I'm being serious.

It's certainly true that a modern Jet airliner can fly itself.  Most do, in fact, apart from Take-off and Landing and, as you found out, in dense fog they're far better than humans.  But the airline industry prefers to keep humans at the controls for those situations in which things happen abruptly and of which the computers have no previous experience.

Planes operate in three dimensions, with no tracks to keep them on course, so if something untoward does happen then it's useful to have a real human in a position where they can think outside of the box, as it were. Good examples are where the fuel lines become clogged, such as the landing in Heathrow a couple of years ago, and the pilot wasn't able to reach the runway before the fuel gave out. They investigated that to death, but didn't find the answer until one of the researchers with military flying experience wondered if it was due to extreme cold followed by sudden heat - exactly what happens on landing. An automated aircraft might have killed everyone on board whereas the BA pilots managed to save everyone by breaking a few rules.

And don't forget there's no such thing as bug-free computer code...
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2014, 07:18:54 am
If anyone wants to escape the heat and humidity which arrives overnight and during tomorrow, the coolest place around will be Holyhead. Stay away from Wrexham :-)))
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on August 09, 2014, 05:50:08 pm
From the Met office, issued today at 1200:

"The remains of hurricane Bertha, west of the Bay of Biscay on Saturday morning, now possess the characteristics of a mid-latitude depression, albeit with very warm air wrapped up within it. This feature is expected to move towards the UK before deepening on Saturday night and Sunday morning. There is increasing confidence that this depression will affect the UK, though with very large uncertainty remaining over the track and intensity.

There is the potential for rainfall totals of more than 50 mm in places and coastal gusts of over 60 mph, along with large waves. The locations affected are very dependent on the track of the low but the heaviest rainfall is thought most likely around and to the northwest of the low centre whilst the strongest winds are most likely around the southern flank of the low."

It seems we'll escape the worst, if we're lucky, as the system seems destined to track up the NE coast.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on December 09, 2014, 05:30:37 pm
As if you didn't know, Storm force winds are forecast for tonight and for the next 2 days.
The worst of it starts at 5am on Wednesday!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30400150 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30400150)

I was driving home from Caernarfon this afternoon, and the buffetting my car was getting was pretty bad, some of the worst I have experienced.
Overtaking high-sided vehicles was particularly scary!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on December 09, 2014, 06:43:55 pm
Agreed Fester. I drove to Bangor about 3ish and it was horrendous, the heavy vehicles were all over the place and our small car was well buffeted by them. So much so that when we were ready to return we decided to take the longer inland route via Bethesda and Capel Curig. OMG there was so much rain and wind that the water was actually blowing up from the road. Not an experience I want to repeat in a rush.! :o
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Yorkie on December 09, 2014, 07:35:18 pm
I was driving home from Caernarfon this afternoon, and the buffetting my car was getting was pretty bad, some of the worst I have experienced.
Overtaking high-sided vehicles was particularly scary!

Those 2CV's are all the same!   L0L

Thanks for the warning, anyway!   $walesflag$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 09, 2014, 07:47:46 pm
We had arranged for a walk in Llanberis on Thursday but that's a non starter now with the winds forecast.   In fact tonight I've put all the garden furniture on the ground to save any damage.
I bet the West Shore in Llandudno had a battering from the sea today and I would imagine the sand has blown over the wall again.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: mull on December 10, 2014, 10:44:49 am
At least you can get out of Llandudno.

Up here looking at the weather forecast for this week it could be Saturday before anything moves.
Need to go shopping in Oban.

Google Calmac Ferry service status .
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2014, 11:34:37 am
Doesn't look too good up there Mull.   All you can do is batten down the hatches and settle for a wee dram or two.          aaa.gif            Z**
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 28, 2015, 08:51:37 am
From Monday afternoon onwards we're going to be subjected to a heatwave. The hot air currently heating parts of France and Spain to 40C+ is coming this way, and approaching from the SE. Because of its direction, at least initially, Llandudno's normal severe weather protection - its position in the Irish Sea - won't be much use.

The details are not yet available and - curiously - the Met office hasn't yet issued any severe weather warnings, probably because they don't want to get their fingers burnt... (sorry).

The problem is, however, that this heatwave is expected to stay around for quite a while and heat - as we know - builds. It'll also bring some thunderstorms, so all in all, nice conditions to look forward to. Highest temps will be in the SE, so we'll hear a lot about it on the news.



Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 12, 2015, 11:58:59 am
Heavy rain, thunder and hail set to batter North Wales

Torrential rain, thunderstorms and even hail are expected to batter North Wales later this week.

Parts of the region had a chilly start this morning with fog patches, which reduced visibility on the A55, but this will clear to make way for sunshine and highs of 23.

But the Met Office has warned the cloud will increase towards the evening bringing with it heavy thundery rain.

It has issued a yellow weather warning for all six counties in the region for Thursday and Friday (August 13 and 14).

Heavy rain will reach the south of England in the early hours of Thursday morning, before pushing up to North Wales during the day.

Met Office officials are warning that the rainfall is likely to be “heavy and thundery” and there could also be torrential downpours in some areas.

They are forecasting that there could be 15 to 30mm of rain in just six hours on Thursday, but say that some areas could see as much as 50mm by the end of the day.

As a result of the yellow “be aware” warning, anyone planning to travel is being urged to think ahead of their journey and allow extra time.

MORE...http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-rain-thunder-fog-9838774 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-rain-thunder-fog-9838774)
Title: Re: Weather Aurora Borealis tonight
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2016, 03:12:58 pm
Northern Lights could be visible over North Wales tonight
Stargazers and photographers could be in with the chance of seeing the stunning Aurora Borealis over North Wales tonight.

The Northern Lights could be visible in the region thanks to strong solar winds.
The Met Office tweeted: "Strong solar winds mean northern parts could see the #aurora tonight. Best chance in N Scotland under clear skies."

For the best chance to see the phenomenon, it is advised to stay away from artificial lights and let your eyes become accustomed to the dark.
The Aurora Borealis occurs when electrically-charged particles from the Sun enter the Earth's atmosphere.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/northern-lights-could-visible-over-11173828 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/northern-lights-could-visible-over-11173828)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on April 12, 2016, 03:46:00 pm
I've been thinking about the weather, and more precisely, weather 'forecasting'
Last night, as they've said every night for the past few weeks, they have said that the week ahead is either unsettled or changeable.
Right, OK, accepting that to be true, why do we invest so many 100's of millions into weather forecasting?
After all, what happens is what happens, so why spend so much resource on something that can't be changed?
Very few people really have chance to base any plans on a 'changeable' forecast'
If there were no more weather forecasts on TV, would it really make any difference to us?
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2016, 04:17:28 pm
"If there were no more weather forecasts on TV, would it really make any difference to us?"

I have wondered in the past, how a poor forecast affects us (bearing in mind our mini micro climate) the number of times I have heard a poor forecast for the weekend,for it to be wrong.

Another thing, they always put a cloud over Llandudno on the TV weather map.  :(
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on April 12, 2016, 04:36:14 pm
I was thinking more nationwide, or even world wide.
You see, any weather warnings, requiring action to protect against hurricanes or blizzards could simply be a news item.
Everything else is a waste of time surely?
Much as I love looking at Benhaz Akgar or Lucy Verasamy (in particular),  I can easily imagine life without the meaningless drivel they espouse several times a day.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Blongb on April 12, 2016, 07:44:07 pm

I was so feed up with the bad weather forecasting being broadcast by the BBC I gave up watching them entirely. Their incredibly inaccurate predictions cost as thousands of pounds in lost trade. It was so bad I actually put a link on my website to our local Llandudno Weather Station @ www.Llandudno-Weather.co.uk (http://www.Llandudno-Weather.co.uk) which showed our weather in real time.  $walesflag$

When all else fails, look out the window. That way at least you will get WX Actual.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on April 13, 2016, 08:16:15 am
Weather - or to be more precise - our weather in the UK is fascinating. And you may not realise it, but the degree of accuracy in forecasts has improved so that it now stands (even for Llandudno) at an all time high of around 80%. What drives the Meteorological office, however, is the income from the businesses which depend on accurate forecasting. Many businesses pay a small fortune to receive highly accurate forecasts and the rest of us benefit from the more generalised forecast on the TV.

Fester's point is interesting. The Beeb's national forecast attempts to compress a detailed image of probabilities, Euclidean vectors and fluid dynamics into a two minute natter; it can't possibly work other than for periods of high pressure. What's more, as Blongb notes, no concession to the Gulf Stream-influenced climate of Llandudno is ever made. And Llandudno enjoys not only the lowest rainfall in Wales but also one of the lowest in the UK with a mean temperature difference of around 3C between even Llanwrst and Llandudno.

I think what's important, however, is to make the point that forecasting is very, very tricky when compared with sticking your head out of the window. Weather patterns in the UK are notoriously unpredictable - far more so than most countries in the world.  This unpredictability, combined with our significant tidal ranges make accurate forecasting pretty tricky, but our Met Office is recognised around the world as one of the best. The Americans, for example, use our Met office to forecast their Hurricanes, simply because we do it better.

I suspect that what needs to change is the emphasis. Glib phrases such as "It's going to be sunshine and showers for most of us" are usually influenced by the weather in the South: we often miss out on the showers completely and a forecast developed specifically for Llandudno would probably say "Cool breezes but lots of sunshine and very little chance of rain".

Around Snowdonia, and in much of Wales, the farming community do need to know the weather in some detail. More precisely, they need to know the temperatures as they have quite a significant impact on their decision making. But the Met office, via the BBC, have become their own worst enemies by making generalised statements about the weather several months in advance. Prediction of the weather even two days in advance is still very difficult, so when you read that the weather next week is likely be anything at all treat it with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on April 29, 2016, 11:35:59 pm
The hail stones around N Wales have been terrible this last few days, but look at these pictures from Spain two days ago.  These were hazardous to life as you can see.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 30, 2016, 07:43:39 am
Puts our weather worries into perspective.
Title: Re: Weather Warning
Post by: SteveH on June 06, 2016, 11:45:22 am
Warning of North Wales flooding issued as thunder and hail set to bring sunny spell to an end
The end of the sunny weather is in sight - with torrential rain and thunder forecast in North Wales this afternoon.

Heavy and thundery showers are going to swoop in to the west of the region at about 1pm, with Anglesey, Gwynedd and parts of Conwy at risk of localised flooding.

Torrential rain and even hail could be on the cards as a new weather system moves in, and the Met Office has issued a yellow warning for rain.
A spokesman for the forecaster said: “Heavy, thundery showers are expected to break out this afternoon over central and western parts of Northern Ireland and western parts of Wales.

“Whilst many will miss the worst, rain will be locally torrential, with the risk of hail.
“Please be aware of the risk of localised flooding.”      ref DP.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Fester on June 06, 2016, 04:07:40 pm
3 hours after the forecasted torrential rains....  it still looks lovely to me!!
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: TheMedz on June 06, 2016, 05:14:38 pm
29c on the car external temp gauge as we were leaving Prestatyn just after 3 this afternoon.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Bri Roberts on June 06, 2016, 05:23:42 pm
It is hard to believe but a bowls match being played in Llanfairpwill this afternoon was abandoned following two downpours of rain.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on June 06, 2016, 07:40:41 pm
That's weird Bri, it's really localised weather.    Here in the Bay it is still baking hot     ;D
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on June 07, 2016, 07:18:00 am
Last night the humidity almost doubled between 7.00 and 9.00 pm. Made it very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on June 07, 2016, 09:22:26 am
We had a short shower during the night, but it is still very warm this morning.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 16, 2016, 11:58:24 am
The Met office is showing expected temps in N Wales in the 82 / 28 region for Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on July 16, 2016, 12:21:15 pm
Take it with a pinch of salt then Ian.

Last night it said rain all day in N Wales.
This morning it revised it to NO rain in N Wales...
So by 11 am it was quite pleasant.
But now I am sat in the midst of heavy rain.
Their performance is little short of farcical.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 16, 2016, 01:33:09 pm
I do use several sources, F, and Rain Radar was spot on with the rain today, I have to say. I think the 82F forecast for Tuesday will arrive, and with it significant humidity. They're usually better on temps than rainfall.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 16, 2016, 04:38:34 pm
I had a look yesterday at the weather forecast and it was heavy rain forecast for all day on Saturday for North Wales so I telephoned my friend Tellytubby to cancel the walk today but instead we agreed to check on the weather at 9.00am today and as it was warm and dry we went ahead and had a walk.
It did have the odd light rain shower but nothing like the heavy rain that they said we would have.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2016, 08:22:13 am
Starting to wish I'd placed a bet on my post, earlier.
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The Met office is showing expected temps in N Wales in the 82 / 28 region for Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 19, 2016, 06:42:15 pm
Well, I was wrong.  It reached 86F / 30C today.  I suspect that's one of the highest ever.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2016, 07:53:53 am
Well, June was the hottest on record worldwide (although not for us :-) and was the 14th month in succession that has seen temperature records broken. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 20, 2016, 09:33:15 am
35° showing on my car dashboard when driving through Glan Conwy yesterday afternoon!!!  Yes, it was the temperature and not my speed!

Lots of noise and rain this morning!

Is it really global warming - I'm sure many of you can remember the days (about 60 years ago) when we had snow for weeks during winter and sunshine for weeks during summer - the seasons were defined.  Now I claim that Wales is capable of giving you all four seasons in the one day!  I know many blame the stuff we're putting into the atmosphere but is it really that, or is it just natural?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2016, 10:21:35 am
I suspect a lot this year is down to the extremely pronounced El Nino effect although there's some research which suggests overall warming is aggravating that, too.  The planet's atmosphere is warming - that's been established beyond doubt. It's still not entirely clear what's mainly responsible. One notable irony is that when, in 1987, we replaced the Ozone depleting CFCs with HFCs in refrigeration equipment the Ozone hole gradually healed itself, but HFCs, like CFCs, are inert gases that make good coolants in refrigeration systems and propellants in aerosols. But molecule for molecule, some HFCs are up to 10,000 times more potent than carbon dioxide as greenhouse gases, according to the UN Environment Programme (UNEP). So we've been adding potent greenhouse gases to the atmosphere for 30 years on a massive scale and are only now starting to do something about it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 20, 2016, 01:55:20 pm
Global warming is a minefield, even the scientific experts cannot agree, last year I read an article on "experts say  diesel fuel better for the environment than petrol"      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/22/the-rise-diesel-in-europe-impact-on-health-pollution (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/22/the-rise-diesel-in-europe-impact-on-health-pollution)    which the politicians jumped on, telling everyone "We are tackling Co2"  only to find out the result .....was a rise in deadly air pollution.

When looking into GW man made or natural, scientific research info, I thought I recognised an (unusual) name from my childhood, turned out I was right, it had been over 50years since we last met, after catching up on the usual family and friends, I asked for more info on G.W. for the layman .......he pointed me towards various links etc. well after six months of correspondence, I am still confused but have decided that natural or not, it cannot be good to keep polluting the atmosphere, so will continue to reduce my carbon footprint as much as possible, I also passed the buck to my friend,.... science needs to over ride politics. ....
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SDQ on July 20, 2016, 02:08:04 pm
Diesel's are better than petrol with CO2 but they neglected to notice how much worse they are at NOx until after they had talked us all into buying them! Typical.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 20, 2016, 03:02:09 pm
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science needs to over ride politics. ....

So true - and so unlikely ever to happen.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on August 18, 2016, 04:30:03 pm
Not so bad for north Wales, but just in case..............

Health advice issued as high levels of air pollution expected in Wales.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/health-advice-issued-high-levels-11764737 (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/health-advice-issued-high-levels-11764737)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on September 14, 2016, 01:54:22 pm
We may be enjoying the warmth, but this might scare some:

http://xkcd.com/1732/ (http://xkcd.com/1732/)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on December 19, 2016, 01:14:05 pm
North Wales braced for Christmas weekend weather bomb with 59mph winds

Gale force winds and torrential rain will batter the region as Storm Barbara sweeps in.
The severe weather is expected to cause mayhem on the roads and railways across the UK as people prepare to travel to see family and friends for Christmas.

Forecasters say the bad weather will start on Wednesday with winds of up to 42mph predicted in Holyhead.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-braced-christmas-weekend-12341271 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-braced-christmas-weekend-12341271)
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 19, 2016, 03:49:43 pm
If they only reach 42mph we probably won't even notice it.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: mull on December 19, 2016, 05:48:03 pm
Starting Tuesday up here, Calmac Status website looks a real mess already.

Booked a trip with the car over to Oban tomorrow for shopping. Mrs Mull says we will have to go.
Looks like an interesting few days ahead.
Morag says we will need 3 pegs on the washing line, and get plenty of candles in.

Stay safe.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: SteveH on December 19, 2016, 06:01:02 pm
Starting Tuesday up here, Calmac Status website looks a real mess already.

Booked a trip with the car over to Oban tomorrow for shopping. Mrs Mull says we will have to go.
Looks like an interesting few days ahead.
Morag says we will need 3 pegs on the washing line, and get plenty of candles in.
Stay safe.
Orabest......Safe trip , and I hope you only need...3 pegs.     $good$
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 19, 2016, 06:30:59 pm
Where Mull lives you need three pegs just to hold the washing line...
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 21, 2016, 10:29:33 am
The weather's turning seriously unpleasant from Friday morning onwards. They're now predicting gusts of over 80mph, and that's the point at which power lines and trees start falling over. Certainly Conwy is slated to get the heaviest rain if the storm continues on its predicted track.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2016, 04:13:07 pm
They've revised the forecast downwards in intensity terms, so Friday will not be the promised Armageddon. Still windy, however, but a lot of rain, which will mitigate the effect of the wind substantially. On that front, the Wrexham area will be clobbered by torrential rain.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2016, 07:37:04 pm
I hope that Mull is not on the mainland of Scotland as it looks like the ferries may be cancelled up there .     
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2016, 07:46:01 pm
Scotland will be getting it very badly.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: mull on December 22, 2016, 11:36:47 pm
No we are back home on the island and battened down waiting for it.
We had our excitement on Tuesday.
Caught the 0900 ferry and bouncing half way accross to Oban Skipper of the ferry announces due to deteriating weather the return crossing back to Mull would be the last one today and anyone wishing to stay on board and return should make themselves known at the pursers office.
Mrs mull was not to be put off an the shopping would be done.
After Lidl, Tesco Argos etc we set off back to Mull the long way round via the Corran ferry and Lochaline/Fishnish ,hoping these ferries would keep running.Keep running they did but it was a rough trip, gales and torrential rain allthe way. We had gone prepared with sleeping bags in case we got stranded on Morven which is one of the remotest parts of te Scottish mainland. We could have slept in the car which we have done before.
Left Oban at 1405 and arrived home in Fionnphort at 1825.
In case the power goes off in the next few hours i will wish you all Nadolig llawen.

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2016, 08:31:49 am
Chwarae teg,    Mrs Mull is one very determined shopper.  Hope that she hasn't forgotten anything and you have to go back to the shops!    ;D

Nadolig llawen to you and Mrs Mull             

Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Ian on December 23, 2016, 08:44:09 am
All the very best to you, too,  Mull. Looks like you'll be getting both the warmest and coldest Xmas on the big day itself.
Title: Re: Weather
Post by: Nemesis on December 23, 2016, 09:08:26 am
Happy Christmas Mull.

 I always follow your posts as one of my oldest friends is building on Mull to live near her son who has lived there for a number of years. She had somewhat of an episode last year around Christmas when he was taken ill and had to be transferred to hospital on the mainland. She had to get to him, complete with her dog and travel backwards and forwards. Life was very difficult for her at the time.

Glad Mrs Mull got her shopping done !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 31, 2017, 01:31:44 pm
Gusts of up to 80mph and torrential rain are set to batter North Wales this week.
The Met Office has issued a yellow “be aware” weather warning for wind across the region on Friday.
The alert comes into force at 6am that morning and remains in place until 11.55pm – with forecasters warning the hurricane-force winds could damage buildings and power lines.
Wind speeds are expected to hit between 60-70mph in most parts, but forecasters say gusts could exceed 80mph in exposed coastal areas.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/winds-up-80mph-blast-north-12532735 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/winds-up-80mph-blast-north-12532735)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 31, 2017, 02:21:42 pm
It could be bad - or it could be almost nothing.   Low pressure systems that are as deep as that one have comparatively small areas of very high wind speeds. The worst gusts are always on the trailing edge, so it won't be as bad when it comes in. It only takes a slight nudge for it to miss us - or clobber us.

Had to laugh at the Express Headline this morning - Arctic Blasts for a month forecast. They can't even be sure five days ahead , so I doubt a month's very realistic. According to the Atlantic pressure charts the deep front (959) is most likely to swing North before it hits us, so we could miss in entirely. All in the lap of the gods.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 01, 2017, 08:35:30 am
Seems as though the really nasty weather system is indeed going to track further South than they thought.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 04, 2017, 09:10:41 am
Seems the gods were happy. Really nasty weather missed us.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 04, 2017, 06:43:38 pm
Seems the gods were happy. Really nasty weather missed us.

Sacrifice another Great Orme goat to the mighty Odin!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 04, 2017, 07:21:35 pm
Each time in the past six months the met office has issued dire warnings, they've failed to materialise to the level we were led to believe.  I think it's the Fish effect...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 21, 2017, 11:55:09 am
Each time in the past six months the met office has issued dire warnings, they've failed to materialise to the level we were led to believe.  I think it's the Fish effect...

We could have a forum competition nearest to the correct speed wins.......

Weather warning as 80mph winds to batter North Wales causing disruption and damage
The Met Office has issued an amber alert for strong gales on Thursday
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/80mph-winds-batter-north-wales-12633859 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/80mph-winds-batter-north-wales-12633859)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2017, 12:52:08 pm
I say, 46mph,  because it usually fizzles out.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 21, 2017, 01:25:12 pm
I will try 42 mph, due to the fizzle factor.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 21, 2017, 01:26:49 pm
A tad worried over this one, as the epicentre of the storm system has been progressively moving over us as the probability increases. I think the fact that they've issued an Amber alert also suggests they're a little more confident than usual. All we can do is hope there's a lot of rain with it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 21, 2017, 02:45:14 pm
It's seems like its those wind speeds up here normally so I's say a tad higher at 55mph although I hope it isn't.   
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 21, 2017, 05:41:51 pm
I say, 46mph,  because it usually fizzles out.

What is the prize for this incredibly exciting competition Ian?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 21, 2017, 08:09:09 pm
50 mph ???
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: snowcap on February 21, 2017, 08:11:50 pm
How about a bottle of gaviscon for a prise, that's good for wind.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 21, 2017, 08:14:43 pm
Or a kite? ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 21, 2017, 09:01:38 pm
Or......
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 08:09:58 am
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What is the prize for this incredibly exciting competition Ian?

I think this is Steve's competition :-)  However, from the sanctity of my own little weather station I suspect this is going to be short and sharp. The strongest winds will be between 0900 and 1200 tomorrow, and they'll start coming in from the W, veering to NW a couple of hours later.  West shore will catch it - no doubt - and the pier during the latter half of the storm. I would guess that the strongest gusts might reach 90kts+ but the mean speeds will be more around 50-60kts, so we've had a lot worse (1991). Anyhow, I log wind speeds, so I'll know the max by 1200.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on February 22, 2017, 05:04:03 pm
Why, oh WHY, must Doris come to visit..... when it's BINS day???
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 05:08:28 pm
 _))* _))* _))*
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: spotty dog on February 22, 2017, 09:04:12 pm
I use Big Salty when sailing it's very accurate and local
https://bigsalty.com/en/weather/
I will follow tomorrow to see how accurate it is against all the doom and gloom we are getting
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 09:26:22 pm
Curiously, the wind speed forecasts have been notched slightly back.  So perhaps not all doom and gloom.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 22, 2017, 10:49:50 pm
The BBC Wales still has high winds forecast for tomorrow and it's also Bin day up here then.    My bin will be going out tomorrow morning just in case
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 07:53:40 am
Highest overnight gust at Capel was 78mph. But we can expect worse once the rain has cleared, so a few rattling windows yet.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 08:25:33 am
They've moved the Amber alert period by two hours: 0800 to 2000.  The heavy rain is preventing the worst winds at the moment.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 09:05:49 am
Gusts now exceeding 82mph.  How does it seem at your place, Hugo?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 10:10:16 am
Ian, what a day so far!     I didn't need my alarm clock to wake me up this morning as the sound of the wind and the metal garden furniture falling over woke me at 7.30am.   So I took the black bin and stacker bin down to the road to wait collection and then went back to bed and took a cup of tea with me.
A couple of minutes later the door bell rang and a neighbour told me that the bins had fallen over and everything was blowing down the road so I spent the next 15 minute clearing the road and ended up putting the green bins back in the garage.
The next time I looked out the black bin had fallen over so I went down to the road and sorted that out but noticed that one branch of our large Yucca tree had nearly snapped off so I went and got the saw and removed the branch from the trunk of the tree.
By then I thought that I'd drive to the shop and relax with a paper but then a large tree had blown across the road and blocked it.
Anyway I made a detour and got the paper and went off to Rhos on Sea to see what it was like there.
It's just after 10.00am now so I wonder what else will happen!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 10:20:47 am
Just reading Tom Davidsons Blog on Doris........Storm Doris officially a WEATHER BOMB

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508)

Sorry you have had a rough morning H. Hope everybody is OK.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 10:39:04 am
Thanks Steve, it could have been a lot worse judging from that link that you've posted.    I'm just going to have to put my feet up and relax and read the paper for the rest of the day.       ;D
Just remembered that I need to take our dog out for his walk so I'll do that next.
We've got a taste of how Mull feels up there with those Scottish Winters
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2017, 10:41:18 am
A lot of bridges closed and sailings stopped.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 23, 2017, 11:31:32 am
Thanks Steve, it could have been a lot worse judging from that link that you've posted.    I'm just going to have to put my feet up and relax and read the paper for the rest of the day.       ;D
Just remembered that I need to take our dog out for his walk so I'll do that next.
We've got a taste of how Mull feels up there with those Scottish Winters

Do be careful Hugo. I have just attempted to take Frizzy out and we are a lot lower than you. It blew him off his feet and I had to hang on to a gate. We didn't go far ! :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 11:53:48 am
Up to date Doris news including Col. Bay pier and prom video......and tree down on the Orme

Tom D. Live blog
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 12:11:19 pm
Sorry Hugo I just couldnt resist........

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 12:21:50 pm
I've taken Marco for a quick walk up the road and everything was ok apart from getting wet for a second time today.   They were cutting the tree up that was blocking the road when I had the walk.  Thank goodness that I didn't go earlier as I would have passed that spot where the tree fell down.
It's a good job that the wind was blowing from the north as the West Shore area would have been like the Sahara Desert with this storm.  I did notice that some winds were WNW so perhaps the West Shore didn't escape the storm after all.

You never know with the weather Steve but he could look like this later on today.
Title: Storm Doris
Post by: catlover on February 23, 2017, 02:15:31 pm
 Hi Catlover returns ! Can anyone post a video of storm Doris in Llandudno ? Or photos . I'm miles away , but wondered if it's arrived in Llandudno yet .  Thanks CL
Title: Re: Storm Doris
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2017, 03:12:12 pm
Hi Catlover returns ! Can anyone post a video of storm Doris in Llandudno ? Or photos . I'm miles away , but wondered if it's arrived in Llandudno yet .  Thanks CL
Look at the great british weather debate thread on this forum there are links to news blogs... http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-doris-80mph-gales-12642508)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Jack on February 23, 2017, 07:07:12 pm
Fame again Hugo - your picture was used by Derek on Wales Today this evening  $walesflag$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2017, 08:17:33 pm
Yes,  I saw it on the BBC Wales news tonight.     $good$


Luckily no one was hurt by the falling tree but a friend told me that her bus had not long gone past when it fell down and also she said that a woman pushing a pram by the tree heard it crack and then ran over to the other side of the road and so avoided getting herself or the baby hurt.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 06, 2017, 06:05:50 pm
North Wales set for hottest weekend of the year
The region is set to bask in sunshine as thermometers rocket to 20C on Sunday.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-set-hottest-weekend-12855595#ICID=sharebar_twitter (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-set-hottest-weekend-12855595#ICID=sharebar_twitter)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 07, 2017, 07:54:30 am
Oh, dear; another case of the DP's usually restrained and factual style just gone out of the window. Since when did 20C qualify as 'hot' and how can a gentle rise to that comfortable temperature be described as 'rocketing'? This is more the style I'd associate with the DFM or the Express than the DP.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 21, 2017, 01:06:12 pm
I hesitate before posting, but it might be of some help to gardeners if nothing else.

Arctic blast to bring ice, frost and snow to North Wales
Temperatures are set to plummet to single figures following the driest April in six years.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arctic-blast-bring-ice-frost-12923807 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arctic-blast-bring-ice-frost-12923807)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 25, 2017, 01:05:14 pm
I have been enjoying the view of the snow on the tops in the sunshine this morning, and for a minute there I thought we were going to join them, but the hail passed very quickly.

We might be heading into May, but some parts of North Wales were waking up to a blanket of snow this morning.
There have been reports of snowfall in Bala and areas of Snowdonia today as the country experiences an unseasonable icy arctic blast.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/snow-wales-april-cold-snap-12940577 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/snow-wales-april-cold-snap-12940577)

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Post by: hollins on April 25, 2017, 01:14:24 pm
Mr H took this photo this morning.
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Post by: mull on April 26, 2017, 09:20:36 am
Been a wild week so far up here with the wind from the Artic.
Good video on Ships of Calmac Forum showing conditions yesterday crossing the Minch. Taken from the bridge of the Loch Seaforth on the Stornoway- Ullapool service. Like the remark "first time seen the stabaliser out of the water".

http://twitter.com/jagrass/status/856828945882378240 (http://twitter.com/jagrass/status/856828945882378240)

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Post by: Ian on April 26, 2017, 10:09:21 am
Wow! Side on to a strong swell. Hope the cars were well anchored.
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Post by: mull on April 26, 2017, 10:20:40 am
Thats true.
Just hope they have not parked the Tesco lorry alongside your car !
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Post by: hollins on June 30, 2017, 07:56:04 am
3rd day of non stop rain now.
Is it the same down there?
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Post by: SteveH on June 30, 2017, 09:05:25 am
3rd day of non stop rain now.
Is it the same down there?

Sorry to say weather very poor, and the forecast is not looking good.  :(  waiting for the   8)
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Post by: hollins on June 30, 2017, 09:15:00 am
Thanks Steve.
I was contemplating lunch by the sea and was hoping it was better with you but sounds not!
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Post by: Hugo on June 30, 2017, 11:31:22 am
It's still awful Hollins,  the wind is a strong NNW one and it's cold and raining.   My garden has taken a hit from the strong winds and the Hollyhocks are completely flattened and the flowers on the Yucca tree are on an angle.
Yesterday I had a nice lunch at the Toad and sat by the window and the only people that seemed to like the weather were two kite surfers who were braving the elements on a very rough sea.
By the time we finished the meal and left the Toad we could see huge waves crashing on to the promenade in Rhos and Old Colwyn.
If this is the Summer then I dread to think what the Winter storms will be like.
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Post by: hollins on June 30, 2017, 04:47:50 pm
Sorry about your garden Hugo.
It really has been awful and still is.
We ended up at Tyddyn Llan for lunch and it was slightly better over there in that it was only light drizzle instead of lashing it down as it is here.
So sorry for anyone on holiday in the area.
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Post by: Bosun on July 19, 2017, 11:41:41 am

The Daily Post has printed the times given by the Weather Channel of the expected storms to hit the region, from Caernarfon at 2.15 pm, Flint 2.45 pm, Llandudno 3.00 pm etc. Be interesting to see how accurate they are.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-storms-time-weather-13352500 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-storms-time-weather-13352500)
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Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2017, 12:18:45 pm
It's due at 3.15 pm in Colwyn Bay so I'll have to take the dog for an early walk this afternoon before the rain comes
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Post by: Fester on July 19, 2017, 02:08:39 pm
Storm arrived Llandudno at 2.05pm
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Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2017, 02:38:53 pm
Ours arrived at Colwyn Bay at 2.30 pm but it hasn't been that bad .... so far!
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Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2017, 03:30:54 pm
Plenty of rain here in Llandudno, rumbles of thunder, but nothing drastic yet. It has just begun again--- just as my OH has gone to put the re-cycling boxes out.
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Post by: hollins on July 19, 2017, 03:34:08 pm
We got the worst of it from 14.00 to 15.00. Passed away now.
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Post by: hollins on July 19, 2017, 03:50:36 pm
Spoke too soon, come back again!
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Post by: Nemesis on July 19, 2017, 04:18:40 pm
Same happened here....really heavy.
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Post by: Ian on September 12, 2017, 04:00:22 pm
Storm Aileen - first of the season - will hit us fairly hard tonight and tomorrow, peaking at 0500 - 0700.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings)]http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings[/url]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/what-time-storm-aileen-hit-13607066?ptnr_rid=497104&icid=EM_DailyPost_Nletter (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/what-time-storm-aileen-hit-13607066?ptnr_rid=497104&icid=EM_DailyPost_Nletter)
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Post by: Ian on September 13, 2017, 10:09:49 am
Once again the Met office overestimated the wind strength.  It seemed to be building at around 0200 but fell away quickly and by 0400 it was fairly quiet.
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Post by: Hugo on September 13, 2017, 10:17:20 am
I didn't hear a thing last night as I slept through the whole thing.  A couple of metal chairs had been blown over but no other problems caused
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Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 13, 2017, 10:35:00 am
Didn't really notice anything,  I think a few leaves have moved a bit.  :)
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Post by: Nemesis on September 13, 2017, 11:44:13 am
There were quite a lot of broken branches and torn off leaves this morning around the roads near Mostyn Champneys.
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Post by: hollins on September 14, 2017, 05:39:33 pm
Amazing the difference in the wind speed today. Up here completely still but when we arrived in Llandudno we nearly got our heads blown off. It was great seeing the waves come crashing in though.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on September 21, 2017, 11:04:10 pm
The ITV Weather forecast says rain virtually ALL DAY on Friday throughout Wales.

The BBC TV and Online forecast says no rain whatsoever on Friday in Wales.

What are we supposed to do with that?  It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 22, 2017, 07:35:55 am
Well, Rain today  (http://www.raintoday.co.uk/) is worth getting and the premium service is very effective.  Used in conjunction with the Met Office forecast (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/?tab=map&map=SignificantWeather) it's very effective.

You have to remember a couple of things: all forecasts are based on probability data. No one can be certain where the rain will fall, how long it will last and how intense it'll be. All the online sites take interpretation if you want to get the best information from them.  The other point is that the weather presenters on TV have only 2 minutes at most to present a cogent snapshot of the forecast and that becomes really tricky when you're trying to watch the times and the weather graphics.

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Post by: Hugo on September 22, 2017, 08:15:09 am
If it was me I'd accept the BBC forecast as it looks the best option.      ;D

The weather looks ok here at the moment, blue sky with no sign of rain....   not yet anyway!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 22, 2017, 08:41:19 am
Last night the BBC online forecast did show rain, though; but the picture is constantly changing. Fluid dynamics in the biosphere still remains one of the hardest sciences to predict with any real certainty.  North Wales is a prime example; it can be sunny in Llandudno, gloomy and cloudy in Llanrwst and pouring in Betws, all at the same time.
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Post by: Hugo on September 22, 2017, 02:57:51 pm
That blue sky didn't last for long!
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Post by: DVT on September 22, 2017, 03:56:11 pm
Seems the ITV forecast was closest ... showers of liquid sunshine interspersed with odd bits of blue sky.

This is Wales - all four seasons in one day!
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Post by: Ian on October 13, 2017, 07:26:34 pm
Could get blowy over the next few days. Met Office forecaster Grahame Madge said: “Ophelia is forecast to be the strongest ex-tropical system to affect the UK since Katia in 2011, in terms of wind gust speeds.

“Before Katia, Lili in 1996 had 92mph gusts in the Mumbles, south Wales. Ophelia is racing virtually north to Britain and will be a significant storm if it follows its expected track."

It won't take much for it to be nudged westwards - where it will miss us almost completely - or Eastwards, where it will clobber us, to use the technical term.  It will have a lot of rain and the winds could get nasty. Time will tell.
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Post by: Hugo on October 13, 2017, 10:30:53 pm
It seems that it's getting nearer and the winds are increasing on the higher ground and there's flooding in the Conwy Valley too.



https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzIxNDQzODkxNDYmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9clZJQ202c0duelRVWTdkTnhFbFN0USZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32144389146&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=c4bf8f0ad653a4e47861793c66479e6c
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 11:26:35 am
Met office has upgraded the wind warning to Orange for Monday.  A little worrying is the lack of rain. That means we'll get the full force of the winds, which are likely to gust up to 80mph, if we're unlucky.  It could still change course. A few degrees West and we'll hardly notice anything.  A few degrees East and hold onto your hats. NW England might fare worse.
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Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2017, 12:12:22 pm
This is one time when I would welcome a downpour of rain Ian.    I was looking out of my window at about 9.30 am and saw a tractor with a large trailer coming down the road towards the farmer's field.    It was laden with the soft brown smelly stuff and when the trailer hit a bump in the road the trailer released its contents in the road right in front of my house!
It then continued on its way leaving trails of the stuff all down the road.  It's enough to put anyone off their Sunday roast.
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 01:03:00 pm
..especially if you're having lots of gravy...  :o :o :o
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 15, 2017, 02:03:35 pm
I was surprised that the P&O cruise ship, Adonia, set sail teatime yesterday from Southampton down to the Caribbean.

I was very surprised because it is quite a small vessel.

However, I checked it online earlier and it is currently hugging the French Coast and is likely to fare far better than the rest of us in the UK.
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Post by: Hugo on October 15, 2017, 02:31:17 pm
..especially if you're having lots of gravy...  :o :o :o


Ugh     :puke2:


It's all down  the street now with all the cars going past     
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 02:58:18 pm
The  gravy or...
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Post by: Ian on October 15, 2017, 05:22:25 pm
Latest on the storm: Ex-hurricane Ophelia winds tomorrow into Tuesday. Storm force 10 over the Irish Sea. Gusts around 80mph in Holyhead.  The storm has strengthened in the last 12 hours. It's starting to look as though 80mph might be understating it. Stay safe, everyone. And don't leave any windows open...
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 08:47:05 am
Despite their dithering over the precise nature of the wind speeds we can now expect the real storm to start around 1600 today and last until around 0100 tomorrow.  Anywhere facing due South to West is most at risk from nasty gusts, which will reach 70mph in Llandudno overnight.
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Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2017, 08:59:46 am
Sky is looking incredibly ominous this morning.
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Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 09:08:34 am
An hour ago it looked quite eerie here in Colwyn Bay.     There was dark with an orange type glow in the sky and no wind whatsoever.
Since then it has rained slightly and there is a gentle breeze blowing.
The lull before the storm perhaps?
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2017, 09:44:18 am
Mrs R informed me the sky to her last looked like that late afternoon on the 10 June 1993.
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Post by: born2run on October 16, 2017, 10:23:46 am
The sun is bright red right now here in Conwy.
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 10:42:49 am
Like a harbinger of doom...

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Post by: hollins on October 16, 2017, 10:55:14 am
The sun is bright red right now here in Conwy.

Same here. Sun is red but there is no sunlight somehow, really eerie.
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Post by: Bri Roberts on October 16, 2017, 11:21:50 am
Similar view from CyD.
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Post by: DVT on October 16, 2017, 11:27:35 am
Drove from Llandudno Junction to Liverpool earlier (arriving here at 7.15) ... all seemed extra dark - the sky here is very grey with the bright orange sun showing through.  Journey home tonight, leaving about 6.30, could be interesting.
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Post by: Blongb on October 16, 2017, 11:57:07 am
There is a strong Harmattan this year which makes the Sun look more Orange than Yellow. European news was saying this morning it would effect up to mid Germany and central France. Check your cars over the next couple of days to see if the forecast winds will carry the Sand particles this far North.   $sunny$
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 12:41:21 pm
The storm proper started around 1200. Sustained wind speeds are roughly 30mph at the moment. Met office has updated the Amber alert to include most of North Wales.
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Post by: Bosun on October 16, 2017, 12:54:26 pm
I've just telephoned a firm in Belfast. Their answerphone said 'Sure, it's gonna to be a bit windy here, so just in case, we've all gone home. Or down the pub. Please phone back tomorrow. '........
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 06:23:20 pm
Capel has had a 90mph gust. I suspect it's peaking here about now.
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Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 06:25:06 pm
The Sun has been changing colour during the morning and I was only able to take this photo when it was past its best.   It was odd though being able to look direct at the Sun while taking the photo.

At the moment the wind is gusting quite strongly and when I took my dog for a walk earlier I kept away from the tall trees just in case.

At this moment I can see a small boat about a mile out in the bay and it seems to be riding out the storm but the sea looks very angry indeed.  Please excuse the quality of the photo as I took it from inside my house as there was no way I was going out in this weather
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Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 07:05:21 pm
I imagine the boat is sheltering there.
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Post by: Fester on October 16, 2017, 07:27:35 pm
Large tree is down, and blocking the road at the triangle, on the Gt Orme, just above Mike’s golf course.
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Post by: Hugo on October 16, 2017, 11:01:23 pm
Tellytubby sent me these photos that someone took today in Aberdaron.  The gusts there reached over 90 mph
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Post by: Ian on October 17, 2017, 07:16:19 am
Apart from F's downed tree, any other damage around?
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Post by: DaveR on October 17, 2017, 08:59:10 am
It was pretty rough last night, especially around 1am, but no damage spotted apart from a few garden pots blown over.
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Post by: hollins on October 17, 2017, 10:07:47 am
We've lost half a dozen trees including this big beech but glad to survive a very rough night.
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Post by: Nemesis on October 17, 2017, 10:55:28 am
Arvon Avenue this morning. The poor driver had a dreadful hole punched in his windscreen by the falling tree.
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Post by: Bosun on October 17, 2017, 01:48:47 pm
Is there such a thing as a 'nice hole through the windscreen'?
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Post by: Hugo on October 21, 2017, 02:43:05 pm
It looks like Storm Brian is coming northwards.   I can't see Rhos on Sea from my window now because of the rain and the wind has started to pick up.   
I've put all the garden furniture down to save getting it damaged by the gales

https://newsdesk.moreover.com/click/?p=Q1QyL2E9MzIyMjY5ODk5MTUmcD0xNGUmdj0xJng9bXhMZXVuT1didndjNW1jeENKRF9uUSZ1MT1ORCZ1Mj1nMTEwOA&a=32226989915&f=TmV3cw&s=ZXhwb3J0&u=ZXIubmV3bWVkaWFAYmJjLmNvLnVr&cn=QkJDIE5FV1MgT05MSU5F&ci=334&i=283&e=Tm9ydGggV2FsZXMgRGFpbHkgUG9zdA&d=685&t=3&k=36145&fi=119597&ac=&ck=e810ae2d4a6da55d65e0c57644ba7930
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on October 21, 2017, 03:26:36 pm
I suspect it's going to be far quieter than last week, simply because there's a lot of rain around, and that absorbs the wind energy rather well.
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Post by: squigglev2 on October 21, 2017, 04:48:54 pm
Question Ian.

Weather reporting in my area on BBC seems to get worse. Some things I’ve read in the portion of the thread I’ve read make sense, eg, I could not use a Norwich forcecast for where I am on the North coast. I don’t understand the technical reasons but, yes, as with a say Llandudo/Llanwrst example, I could experience quite different conditions to the city, not really that far away.

I believe our centre is Weybourne.  I’ve long dismissed long range forecasts but the short term ones strike me as worse.  I can maybe understand  that maybe better systems and modelling (not that I’d have a clue on that) might lead to more changes (which happen – tomorrow might change from “generally suuny” to “heavy rain”) in a short time on the BBC report or their Android app but even the day itself can be out.  Or I think so, or maybe with things like panning a gardening task, I’m just taking more notice?
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Post by: Ian on October 21, 2017, 07:00:19 pm
Perhaps. You have to remember that all forecasting is probability-based, so there's a margin of error - I think it's around +/-5% at best - and it's often worse. But if you're spending a lot of time planning outside activities, then you will become more aware of forecasting inaccuracies.  My wife's the gardener, and she's always moaning about the weather behaviour.

There's also the local topography, which can affect things quite a bit.  Thus, Llandudno has an average annual rainfall of around 11", Llanrwst around 40" and Betws 60", so a pretty wide variation within just a few miles.

Another nuisance is the jet stream, which has been behaving oddly over the past couple of years. That has the power to produce very cold or very warm weather, often with little warning.

But there's no doubt that the planet's climate is changing, becoming warmer, and that will lead to increased rainfall over the Northern hemisphere and more extreme weather events. All this makes accurate forecasting more difficult.
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Post by: snowcap on October 21, 2017, 10:13:19 pm
it was quite a stormy day when we left Llandudno at 3pm this afternoon and the trip home was far from pleasant but at least the trip across the new bridge was quite a relief after being held up for 20 min,s or more in the past, 3-4 mins at the most, well worth the £1-80 toll (robbing sods)
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Post by: squigglev2 on October 21, 2017, 11:00:01 pm
Glad you ad a good day.  A long wile since I got to Llandudno. Last time to N Wales for me and mum was a few years back for an Irish session in Bangor and while we toyed with heading back that way we opted or the A5, taking in close to my mother's birth place and mine (I think we both feel more affinity to the corner of N Wales this forum is about but I am Shrewsbury born, leaving young and mum had a very rural borders childhood before meeting dad (from Norwich) when se was training in Brum...) so it evoked other memories.

Trying to get back to stormy weather and the right area, Skerryvore (Pydew) seemed quite a place for winds! It had great views but it was a bit exposed....
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Post by: Ian on October 22, 2017, 08:44:03 am
Pydew - faces South / South West.  Couldn't be more vulnerable if it tried.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 11, 2017, 01:56:53 pm
The snow is starting to thaw on Colwyn Heights although the temperature is 0 C  but the extreme weather has meant that the visibility from here is excellent today.     From my window I can see the snow covered hills of the Cumbrian Hills,  but the Isle of Man and Northern Island are crystal clear but I can't make out any snow on them even when I've used binoculars.

Tonight they have forecast even colder temperatures so it's just as well that I've got a lot of grit for the drive
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Post by: Ian on January 01, 2018, 02:00:28 pm
Between 00:05 Wed 3rd and 22:00 Wed 3rd

Strong and at times gusty winds are expected through much of Wednesday. Combined with a period of high tides, it's likely that some coastal communities and routes will be affected by spray and large waves, whilst there is a small chance that injuries and danger to life could occur from large waves and beach material being thrown on to sea fronts, roads and coastal properties, along western and southern coasts. There is a small chance of injuries and danger to life, as well as minor property damage, from flying debris. There is a small chance of transport delays, route and bridge closures, and cancellations to public transport. As well as this, there is a small chance of disruption to power and other services.

Welcome to 2018...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 01, 2018, 06:20:52 pm
I think that the winds have started to arrive already in the West Shore as we were there this afternoon.   The sand is piling up  by the boating lake and we saw a guy who must have lived in one of the houses there and he was clearing the sand from by the drains.
Full marks to him for his effort but the sand will be coming back again!!!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on January 01, 2018, 09:32:11 pm
The sand by the lake has been piled up to the top of the wall for ages now, so where it is ending up I hate to think.
 Just as a matter of interest, a few weeks ago we had a small ceiling collapse and when my OH cleared the mess from the floor he shovelled up 2 sacks of sand..............and we are at least 1/2 a mile from there ! Wonder where that came from???? :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2018, 10:12:12 am
With westerly gusts of nearly 60 mph forecast for later today there will be more sand coming your way Nemesis.    You'll soon have more sand in your garden than the town has on the North Shore beach.      :o   


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42539225 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42539225)
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Post by: Ian on January 02, 2018, 10:24:47 am
The latest probability model suggests we'll now escape the worst of the wind. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2018, 11:59:19 am
The latest probability model suggests we'll now escape the worst of the wind. Fingers crossed.


Don't believe all you read in the DFM  Ian,  that's all fake news as one DT  keeps saying.      The BBC Wales latest forecast has gusts of over 40 mph in Llandudno for a continuous period of 25 hours.

That could mean one big sand dune in Nemesis garden on Wednesday
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on January 02, 2018, 02:26:52 pm
So long as it stops short of filling the roof space in the loo again !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 03, 2018, 12:24:01 pm
I must have been a bit dozy this morning,  I misread this article.........

Yellow warning for snow and ice                   * warning for yellow snow and ice * ?  ?

Snow, ice and plunging temperatures are set to hit North Wales next week.

The Met Office has issued another yellow weather warning covering all of the region’s six counties from 9pm on Monday until 3pm on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 13, 2018, 04:35:41 pm
How long the freezing cold spell in North Wales is likely to last for       
Forecasters are predicting a much colder end to winter than usual.          :(

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-long-freezing-cold-spell-14284983 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/how-long-freezing-cold-spell-14284983)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 14, 2018, 08:42:04 am
One main effect of all SSWs is to produce a rise in Easterly winds - which is what we've seen this winter. What's been happening over the course of the past several weeks is unusual weather for the UK and accurately forecasting longer than 12 hours in advance has become very tricky.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 14, 2018, 03:59:36 pm
It was very windy here on Colwyn Heights earlier today and some of my heavy garden furniture blew over.     It's bin day tomorrow so it would be a good thing for Kingdom Security to follow the bin lorry around. they would make a fortune in fines        ;D
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 26, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
A small flurry of snow just passed the window,(Llanddudno) anybody got a spare carrot...... :twoface:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 27, 2018, 10:50:13 am
A couple of inches of snow fell overnight  but the wind has died down so it doesn't seem that cold now.    Worse weather to come on Thursday though

There have been a number of schools that have closed because of the weather, including Ysgol Pen Y Bryn in Colwyn Bay

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43203777 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43203777)
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Post by: norman08 on February 27, 2018, 11:25:19 am
All the schools closed health & safety ,and where are the kids ,playing out in the snow 😂😂
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 27, 2018, 12:27:38 pm
The world has gone crazy Norman, this morning on ITV  I saw a Head Teacher who had banned throwing snowballs in school.  It's a good job he wasn't working in my school or he would have been pelted with snowballs.
So no snowball fighting and no conkers in school so what next?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 27, 2018, 01:20:11 pm
The snowball ban is nothing new, Hugo; it was enforced for as long as I can remember and was done so to protect those who wear glasses from  having them knocked off. As a child in school I also noticed that the kids who enjoyed throwing them were very often the same ones who enjoyed making others' lives a misery through bullying.  Good schools either allows those kids who don't want to be spattered to go in during breaks, or allow snowballs only in certain areas.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: norman08 on February 27, 2018, 01:41:08 pm
The kids / parents are wimps these days ,if you wore glasses years ago you took them off to join in the snowball fights ,don't remember the school closed in the 50/60 s .some people have put pics up of the snow up the Orme 😂😂 they think that is snow .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 27, 2018, 02:28:53 pm
I don't agree. I don't deny there have been plenty who abuse H & S legislation for their own ends but wearing glasses from an early age, combined with snowballs, is a recipe for disaster.

A lot of kids aim specifically for the face. If you wear glasses, that can be mighty dangerous. And taking off your specs so you can join  in conveniently ignores two facts: a lot of kids wouldn't have anywhere safe to put their specs and - the most important, perhaps - once they've removed them, they aren't able to see well enough either to dodge incoming missiles or to fight back.

So, no; restricting snowball fighting to specific areas is the answer, but a lot of kids don't enjoy snowballing, in the same way a lot of kids don't enjoy football. Often, interestingly for the same reasons.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bosun on February 27, 2018, 02:38:52 pm
The kids / parents are wimps these days ,if you wore glasses years ago you took them off to join in the snowball fights ,don't remember the school closed in the 50/60 s .some people have put pics up of the snow up the Orme 😂😂 they think that is snow .

I bet you remember TB, rickets, and lice as well.

Eh up, those were the days.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: hollins on February 27, 2018, 02:44:58 pm
I thought it was just me thinking how strange it was to close schools so that the children could go out and play in the snow but now I know I am not alone.
Here is a photo of me and my brother playing happily in the snow in the school playground in about 1960 and me in a kilt!
The second photo is the temperature in Switzerland at 7.00am this morning......brrrr!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on February 27, 2018, 04:39:36 pm
We've had snow on the Orme before ... 1979 Cambrian Rally, and why it didn't happen !!!

My grand-daughter was off school today becaUse it was closed (John Brights) ... seems the problem is mainly due to the teachers not beiNg able to get there as they live out in the mountains or on Anglesey and elsewhere - are there no local teachers?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 28, 2018, 12:18:30 pm
For the first time ever, the Weather Office has issued a red warning for snow.    It's for Edinburgh at 3.00 am tomorrow and people have been requested to stay indoors.
Watch out Mull as you could get some too.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 28, 2018, 03:25:21 pm
UK weather: Warning upgraded to red as heavy snow hits UK


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43221384 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43221384)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on February 28, 2018, 04:04:33 pm
No problem here today. Bright sunshine, very clear no snow yet. Red warning is for the Central belt although I have just heard all Posties in Scotland are to finish work by 1500 hours.
Our problem has been the Easterly gale and cancelled ferries . MV Isle of Mull will attempt a crossing from and to Oban at 1600 hours, so no post or newspapers today. I can live with that.

Last Saturday was bad have a look at following website :- Life on Tiree, Construct and Destruct. MV Hebridean Isles trying to berth at Tiree. Luckily no one was hurt.
Watched launch of this ferry sideways into River Ouse at Selby. I was living in York at the time, there is a good video on YouTube--Launch of Hebridean Isles at Selby, No H & S in them days.


Stay warm and safe everyone.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 01, 2018, 10:43:02 am
The temperature was around minus 4C all day yesterday and last night I noticed that an outdoor pipe had frozen up so I checked two outdoor taps and there was an icicle on one so I think that I'll need the service of a plumber very quickly after the pipes thaw.
This is the first time in the 32 years since I have lived here that the pipes have frozen and it's due to get worse today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 11:02:02 am
As I was putting my computer on just now I noticed that the waves were pounding the prom at Rhos and took a couple of photos,   They were taken through the window as there was no way that I was going outside to take them as it's freezing at the moment.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2018, 11:30:00 am
Nasty, not a clever place to park a car  ! !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bellringer on March 02, 2018, 11:44:48 am
A55 signage says Holyhead Port is closed and there is a diversion via the Menai Bridge. Presumably the Britannia bridge is closed because of high winds.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2018, 11:50:35 am
A55 signage says Holyhead Port is closed and there is a diversion via the Menai Bridge. Presumably the Britannia bridge is closed because of high winds.

I have just read the article below, and after seeing hugo's photos, I did not realise things were so bad, must admit, have not been out much, just enjoying the central heating.

Live: Emergency at Holyhead Marina as Storm Emma sinks boats
Police are asking people to avoid the area due to a major incident.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: hollins on March 02, 2018, 12:40:44 pm
Good job I didn't book Sainsbury's!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 12:46:14 pm
I had to pop out for a bag of salt grit as I had used the last bit this morning when I dug the snow off the drive again so I went down to Rhos,
High tide had been about an hour before I took some more photos, so the waves were not as powerful as when I first saw them but even so the Caley  embankment was cordoned off
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: spotty dog on March 02, 2018, 01:32:22 pm
It will be interesting to see how much of CCBC very expensive sand remains after these easterly winds .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2018, 02:09:31 pm
I mentioned above about the Holyhead situation, which has now escalated.......

Up to 80 boats have been sunk or wrecked as Storm Emma ripped through Holyhead Marina.
Shocking images revealed ‘complete destruction’ after millions of pounds worth of boats were smashed against rocks by massive waves during the early hours of today.

A 30-foot boat was among the boats sunk as hurricane force winds tore through the site.

Pontoons were damaged, as was the marina itself and fuel has leaked into the water.
Coastguards are looking at how they can protect the environment.
No-one has been hurt but the coastguard and police urged people stay away from the marina for their own safety.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-emergency-holyhead-marina-storm-14359073)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 02:31:15 pm
I've just watched the news today and there was a clip of a bus going into a skid and avoiding a collision with a parked car,   The video has gone viral but they have identified the driver who was on TV and it was a fantastic piece of driving by the young blonde lady.
Another motorist attracted my attention, but for the wrong reason when he was interviewed on the TV.    He along with many other motorists had been stuck in the snow for a number of hours and he had a young child with him.    After complaining about the traffic not moving his parting words were " it's pathetic"
My thoughts were that we have all had enough warning so who really was pathetic?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 04:21:26 pm
The temperature was around minus 4C all day yesterday and last night I noticed that an outdoor pipe had frozen up so I checked two outdoor taps and there was an icicle on one so I think that I'll need the service of a plumber very quickly after the pipes thaw.
This is the first time in the 32 years since I have lived here that the pipes have frozen and it's due to get worse today and tomorrow.

Just as an add on although it may be too late for me, last night I had a conversation with my walking mate Tellytubby about a Winter Lagging Kit from Welsh Water and he told me to go on to their website.        The kit retails at £15.00 but it's FREE ONLINE   and just in case anyone thinks that it's too good to be true I've copied my e-mail from them.

Product Quantity Unit price Discount Subtotal
Winter Lagging Kit
CODE: LAGPAK01
 1 £15.00 £15.00 £0.00 
Subtotal:  £0.00
Including discount:  £15.00
Shipping cost:  £0.00

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Total cost:  £0.00
 


Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 02, 2018, 04:24:58 pm
I've just watched the news today and there was a clip of a bus going into a skid and avoiding a collision with a parked car,   The video has gone viral but they have identified the driver who was on TV and it was a fantastic piece of driving by the young blonde lady.
Another motorist attracted my attention, but for the wrong reason when he was interviewed on the TV.    He along with many other motorists had been stuck in the snow for a number of hours and he had a young child with him.    After complaining about the traffic not moving his parting words were " it's pathetic"
My thoughts were that we have all had enough warning so who really was pathetic?

I've just seen a link to the video and it's well worth watching

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43255368 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43255368)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 09:18:16 am
This photo appeared on facebook and shows you how cold it is for Aber Falls to freeze
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 03, 2018, 10:55:12 am
Hugo, thanks for the WW free offer tip, the sights I have checked are saying " out of stock"  can you pass your link on us please.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Cambrian on March 03, 2018, 02:45:49 pm
Following Hugo's helpful advice I ordered one satisfactorily.  I went via the official Dwr Cymru website.  You have to register as a customer and there's only one allowed per household.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 03:24:05 pm
Thanks Cambrian for posting that.     $good$

I wish that I'd have known about it before but at least I'll have it for the next cold spell.     
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 03, 2018, 03:37:43 pm
Sorry lads but I am still seeing this.


"All Gone!
We've now sold out of lagging kits. Please check back for future offers."

Any advice  $good$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Meleri on March 03, 2018, 05:24:00 pm
They have this offer most years according to a blog I was reading earlier, so you will have to get in early next year Steve. I can't see how they can quote it should cost £15 as Aqualogic who have partnered Dwr Cymru on this, sell the tap protection jacket for £5.72 and the 2 metre insulation pipe cover is on offer in B&Q for £1  &shake&
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 03, 2018, 06:19:01 pm
They have this offer most years according to a blog I was reading earlier, so you will have to get in early next year Steve. I can't see how they can quote it should cost £15 as Aqualogic who have partnered Dwr Cymru on this, sell the tap protection jacket for £5.72 and the 2 metre insulation pipe cover is on offer in B&Q for £1  &shake&
Many thanks M.   $good$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 06:31:56 pm
Sorry lads but I am still seeing this.


"All Gone!
We've now sold out of lagging kits. Please check back for future offers."

Any advice  $good$

I've checked again Steve and sadly you're a bit late on the offer.  I'm not surprised that they have all gone considering the weather that we have had.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 03, 2018, 06:58:49 pm
If I thought the weather was bad in upper Colwyn Bay it was nothing compared to the countryside outside of St Asaph.    My walking mate Tellytubby was out in this weather delivering urgently required medical supplies and sent me photos of the road conditions he had to face.
When one road became impassable he walked half a mile through the snow to deliver the medical supplies to an elderly person.   I bet that person didn't expect to see anyone deliver the package that day
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 04, 2018, 06:28:09 pm
Tellytubby and Rhuddlan have been out and about today and Rhuddlan sent me a photo that shows the island in Menai Straits which is between both bridges.     The level of the water must have been too close for comfort for the people living in those cottages.
Tellytubby and Mrs T  went to Aber to have a look at the frozen falls there.    Apparently the place was busy with hundreds of people doing the same thing.
The ice has now started to melt but the photos are still impressive.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 04, 2018, 06:55:21 pm
This dramatic drone footage reveals shattering scale of Holyhead Marina destruction
The film shot by John Davies looks like a scene from a disaster movie as recovery work continues.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dramatic-drone-footage-reveals-shattering-14367089 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dramatic-drone-footage-reveals-shattering-14367089)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 04, 2018, 10:50:53 pm
I wouldn't fancy climbing up the waterfall at Aber but some climbers obviously did.   In the last photo I posted I've only just noticed a climber on the way up the waterfall
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 05, 2018, 09:32:49 am
We're at the same latitude as Minsk, so for the most part we get away with the worst weather.  I suspect that's why it always comes as a surprise when we get clobbered.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bosun on March 05, 2018, 11:49:56 am
I wouldn't fancy climbing up the waterfall at Aber but some climbers obviously did.   In the last photo I posted I've only just noticed a climber on the way up the waterfall

I know the climbers, they are experienced ice climbers and they took the opportunity.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 08, 2018, 07:36:58 am
It's back again!!     
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 08, 2018, 08:15:59 am
It is, and yet because it didn't snow in Cardiff, the only mention of it on the Wales news on BBC was the final item - when in passing they mentioned that a bit of snow had fallen. Had a few flakes hit Cardiff they'd have been doing special bulletins all day...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on March 08, 2018, 08:25:14 am
A470 closed between Glan Conwy and Tal-y-Cafn due to SNOW !!!

I grew up in Tal-y-Cafn and live in Llandudno Junction since 1976 - I cannot recall Bodnant Hill ever being closed before - what is going on?

I should be at Bodnant today so looks unlikely now!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 08, 2018, 09:45:48 am
Bodnant hill does close in snowfall times - usually when a lorry gets stuck half way up.  But we've known it closed on several occasions - although usually only for a short time.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on April 04, 2018, 10:45:30 am
Following Hugo's helpful advice I ordered one satisfactorily.  I went via the official Dwr Cymru website.  You have to register as a customer and there's only one allowed per household.

Hi Cambrian,    I have been waiting eagerly for my tap cover to arrive and today the great moment arrived so I opened the parcel as quickly as I could because it's not often that you get a bargain like that.
The tap cover looks like a square polystyrene bell and it was already squashed and with it was a 6 foot length of lagging.    I wish that I could have got the £15.00 plus back but then realised that I didn't have to pay for it anyway.
It's only a bargain if it is any good but at least I'll keep the lagging tube but the cover has gone straight into the black bin. Some you win some you lose        :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 07, 2018, 03:46:02 pm
Bad luck H. I was going to order one after reading your original post....... guess what.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: squigglev2 on April 07, 2018, 08:33:40 pm
Yep unlucky with that freebie...  I must admit that following the links, I thought you would get this one:  https://aqualogicwc.co.uk/store/dcww/garden/winter-tap-jacket/

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Only one outdoor problem here over the cold spell.  One compression joint near a tap pushed out but I could (and should have done before the freeze) turn the affected bit of pipework off and I left the repair until things warmed up. I'll find out what it did to the micro irrigation bits later this month - it will soon be time to connect the pump and tap timers up.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on April 07, 2018, 10:57:04 pm
I could make a tap like that out of the tubing that they sent but it's certainly not what I expected.      I'll be better prepared next Winter though, even if it means forking out on a proper tap cover
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 11, 2018, 12:35:34 pm
If this does arrive, and the ground being hard, there could be problems.


Yellow warning is in force from 11am until 8pm on Friday, July 13 and covers the whole region.

Forecasters are warning that some areas could be hit by 20mm (just under an inch) of rain in just an hour which could see some homes flooded.

Motorists are also being warned that heavy showers could pose difficult driving conditions due to spray and standing water.

While the Met Office warning also states that there could be power cuts due to lightning strikes.

Rain is expected to arrive in the region on Thursday before the downpours turn heavier on Friday.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-north-wales-14894029 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-north-wales-14894029)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 11, 2018, 02:30:46 pm
At least they've got the right day :-)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: squigglev2 on July 11, 2018, 02:48:42 pm
Certainly could do with some rain where I am, but maybe not so much as that in one go.  The sugar beet in the field is looking OK and I've not seen the farm out with their watering canon (thing that sort of tracks up and down the field and I guess draws water from a private bore hole or reservoir) they sometimes use but our own few attempts this year have needed a lot of assistance..

Our bits of grass, come whatever else may grow there, eg, clover, daisies, etc. is very parched,  Is that the same in N Wales?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on July 12, 2018, 06:06:38 pm
Do you think I’m being wise?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 14, 2018, 12:10:02 pm
Crop marks reveal ancient sites in Wales due to heatwave



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44806069 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44806069)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: hollins on July 14, 2018, 03:04:18 pm
This is amazing. I was fascinated by this one too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44786388 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44786388)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 14, 2018, 05:00:05 pm
Thanks for posting that Hollins, my friends were talking about it this week so it was nice to see the photo of the garden
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 07, 2018, 12:26:39 pm
Tornado stuns weather watchers in the skies over Llandudno
The phenomenon was caught on camera by witnesses.

A large funnel could be seen forming on the water behind Parc Llandudno retail estate before snaking along the shoreline. It then proceeded to dump water on the Victorian town.     ref DP



Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 12, 2018, 05:19:03 pm
Hope everybody is OK,    we have been very jumpy at times, windows feel like they are going to blow in, and the roof, ??? we have the large Marley tiles, sounds horrible as if being lifted and slammed down, nasty, not going to check until tomorrow.

Just heard the cable car Co. has had a cable detach from a gantry.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 12, 2018, 06:32:28 pm
It's pretty wild up here on Colwyn Heights Steve but Mrs H was in Llandudno  earlier today and said that it was worse there.   Some places in Wales have had it really bad but the sad thing is that this is just the start of the Winter storm season
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on October 12, 2018, 07:42:12 pm
We were expecting a service call from Hotpoint next Monday but this afternoon Hotpoint telephoned to reappoint because a tree had blown over onto the Hotpoint van !!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 21, 2018, 04:01:48 pm
Here we go, the DP say's       "The Mini beast from the east" brings snow to North wales, ?  well a light dusting anyway.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Bri Roberts on February 27, 2019, 10:20:35 am
What a difference?

27 February 2018 and 27 February 2019.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 07, 2019, 08:10:54 am
This morning, on BBC Wales news' weather forecast, the presenter's first sentence was "We're starting off with a few scattered showers this morning...". Now, it had been raining so hard since around 0600 it was clearly competing for a place in the Biblical Deluges section of the Gunness annual, a fact which even her own graphics revealed with stark clarity.   So why did she talk such arrant nonsense?

Because it was dry in Cardiff. The North/South divide is alive and well.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 07, 2019, 04:52:54 pm
It has been raining quite a bit in Colwyn Bay today but not as bad as what you have experienced Ian but you are correct about the North/South divide.
It's no consolation but it applies to England and Scotland too,
Can you remember how traditionally we used to use a single location in the country to define a white Christmas which was the Met Office building in London.

However, with the increase in betting on where you will see a white Christmas, the number of locations have increased and can now include sites such as Buckingham Palace, Belfast (Aldergrove Airport), Aberdeen (Pittodrie - Aberdeen FC), Edinburgh (Castle), Coronation Street in Manchester and the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.
No mention of Snowdonia or the Lake District or he Highlands     :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 12, 2019, 10:31:37 am
A quote from this mornings DP Storm Gareth report, "Gale force winds will hit the region later in the evening and overnight." I don't know about tonight, but last night here in Llandudno it was scary, I have said in the past that my tiles are noisy, in strong winds, but about 4am the house was hit with, best described as a huge WHUMP, I thought the house was going, never mind a few tiles.    :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 18, 2019, 02:52:15 pm
A North Wales railway line could be closed for several weeks after heavy rain and flooding caused significant damage leaving it unsafe.

Large swathes of the Conwy Valley were left underwater on Saturday after more than 130mm of rain fell - double the UK average for the whole of the month.

It caused "significant" flooding on the Conwy Valley railway line and no trains can now operate between Llandudno and Blaenau Ffestiniog.

Photos of the damage have been released by Transport for Wales with bosses saying a large amount of work is needed to get trains running again.   
More  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/pictures-show-significant-damage-train-15990628 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/pictures-show-significant-damage-train-15990628)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DaveR on March 20, 2019, 09:14:26 am
Certain sections of the line are very vulnerable to flood damage. Surely it would make long term financial sense to build bridges in those areas in order to let the flood waters flow freely underneath, rather than having to repair the line every year?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 20, 2019, 11:44:19 am
 It's the fact that they're laid in the flood plain itself that's the issue; once there's unusually heavy and torrential rain the levels simply rise across the entire valley, and no bridges would save them. Doesn't happen that often, but with climate change moving the way it is it will happen more in the future, I suspect.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on April 03, 2019, 03:46:08 pm
The weather this morning in parts of North Wales.   I hope those people out walking on Snowdon are prepared for walking up there and that the Mountain Rescue team does not have to be called out just because of ill prepared walkers


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/snowy-scenes-people-woke-up-16069553 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/snowy-scenes-people-woke-up-16069553)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on June 06, 2019, 10:49:01 am
I am wary about posting weather forecasts, but just in case.............Like us, you may need to protect young plants......

Frost, thunderstorms and heavy rain predicted for North Wales
Temperatures in North Wales are set to plunge close to freezing tonight, bringing the possibility of frost to parts of the region.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/frost-thunderstorms-heavy-rain-predicted-16385410 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/frost-thunderstorms-heavy-rain-predicted-16385410)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 06, 2019, 11:05:04 am
This weather in June is very odd.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 06, 2019, 12:39:32 pm
That's comforting Steve,  there goes my Geraniums and if the frost doesn't kill them then the winds will finish them off   :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on June 06, 2019, 02:01:52 pm
That's comforting Steve,  there goes my Geraniums and if the frost doesn't kill them then the winds will finish them off   :(
I would not worry too much, as I said I am wary of posting weather forecasts, and if you check out some others, they don't seem as bad as the DP's, Mrs H. told me off, for trusting the DP. without confirmation........  :roll:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 06, 2019, 04:12:04 pm
The weather is just unpredictable and in the past we have cancelled a few walks only to find out on the day that it was ideal for a walk.
Nowadays we arrange a walk and if the weather is dodgy then we just call the walk off.     
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on June 06, 2019, 07:01:41 pm
Hope the prediction is wrong - a gang of us are on the Orme at 6.30 in the morning ready to marshal on the Three Castles Classic Rally!  Already been rained on yesterday and today (only just go back havign  left home early this morning) - don't really want a third soaking as I'm out all day doing other jobs on the event as well!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 07, 2019, 08:11:32 am
I suspect the rain will be heavy and prolonged, today.  That's quite a low pressure front moving in and we're going to get the worst of it as it tracks very slowly Northwards.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on June 07, 2019, 06:51:37 pm
Got away with not getting wet doing timekeeping at the end of the Orme sections this morning, just had a couple of spots of rain.  The afternoon saw me at Llweni Airfield but this time I was just an observer so could check cars off whilst sitting in my car - but got wet having to jump out to repositon cones that were hit!

The There Castles usually gets cracking weather - last year was fantastic - I have been involved in all 16 Three Castle events and we have only had one really wet one before, this year wasn't as bad as the last wet one!

Lots of happy competitors in some fantastic cars.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on June 12, 2019, 01:56:52 pm
Looking at the news, it looks like the East part of NW is getting hammered, Roads and railway lines closed, homes evacuated and schools shut as heavy rain floods parts of , Flintshire, Wrexham and Deeside.................   Llandudno  appears to be doing OK ?

But then you can't let it get you down..............ref DP

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 12, 2019, 03:02:52 pm
Llandudno has one of the lowest rainfall levels in the UK, the warmest winters and the most temperate climate generally. Little wonder the Victorians decided to make it a holiday resort instead of a coal terminus.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on June 12, 2019, 03:31:51 pm
Llandudno has one of the lowest rainfall levels in the UK, the warmest winters and the most temperate climate generally. Little wonder the Victorians decided to make it a holiday resort instead of a coal terminus.

I have learnt my lesson, saying how "Three Towns area is fairing well in adverse weather conditions" in the past, when it was just Llandudno, so a subtle question mark in the above post, just in case
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 12, 2019, 05:22:09 pm
Llandudno has one of the lowest rainfall levels in the UK, the warmest winters and the most temperate climate generally. Little wonder the Victorians decided to make it a holiday resort instead of a coal terminus.

I have learnt my lesson, saying how "Three Towns area is fairing well in adverse weather conditions" in the past, when it was just Llandudno, so a subtle question mark in the above post, just in case

Apart from 1993 of course.        :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlIJ3vmlcP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlIJ3vmlcP4)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on June 12, 2019, 05:43:14 pm
Llandudno has one of the lowest rainfall levels in the UK, the warmest winters and the most temperate climate generally. Little wonder the Victorians decided to make it a holiday resort instead of a coal terminus.

I have learnt my lesson, saying how "Three Towns area is fairing well in adverse weather conditions" in the past, when it was just Llandudno, so a subtle question mark in the above post, just in case
Apart from 1993 of course.        :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlIJ3vmlcP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlIJ3vmlcP4)

You are quite right, my apologies to Llandudno,                            $booboo$                   
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 12, 2019, 10:36:42 pm
I think that that was just an exceptional freak of nature and I hope that it was a one off,  but one thing that you can regularly rely on is the wind.     
Especially on the West Shore, but those Kite Surfers there just love those conditions
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 12, 2019, 11:13:34 pm
It seems like the Three Towns area has been lucky compared to other parts of N Wales



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48600293 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48600293)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on June 21, 2019, 03:13:28 pm
There are now six severe weather alerts for thunderstorms over Wales on Monday and Tuesday. It's pretty unusual for them to be issued so far in advance of the days concerned, so they must be high probability events. Let's hope it's not 1993 all over again.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 23, 2019, 12:00:41 pm
Weather's turning, looks like rain.........    $sunny$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 24, 2019, 10:45:32 am
This is a quote from a story in the DP ......North Wales had the highest level of rainfall in the UK overnight, with 15mm of rain falling in just one hour."   ........ I was expecting it, made sure everything was put away, and left watering the garden  :(    but nothing here in Llandudno, anyone in the area get any ?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: snowcap on July 25, 2019, 12:26:44 am
i was going to post that looks like a storm cloud, sure enough we had a bad storm at about 12-45 in the morning and the heavens opened up
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 30, 2019, 08:34:31 pm
I think we were luckier than some Llandudno residents, I stood and watched the level rising back and front of the property, and there was nothing I could do, very glad that it stopped for us in time.

Roads flooded and homes left without power as thunderstorms batter North Wales
More bad weather is forecast for parts of the region tomorrow.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/roads-flooded-homes-left-without-16670936 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/roads-flooded-homes-left-without-16670936)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 11, 2019, 01:14:12 pm
Being housebound and a bit fed up with the weather, I felt rotten when I realised that both the Eisteddfod and Eglwysbach Show were on over the Weekend, and from experience, I am well aware of the difficulties involved in these conditions, rain you can plan for, but wind can be unpredictable and dangerous, I think a "Well Done" to all involved, is in order.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/staging-national-eisteddfod-nothing-short-16733516 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/staging-national-eisteddfod-nothing-short-16733516)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on August 11, 2019, 02:58:12 pm
Sorry to hear you are housebound Steve, I didn’t know this.
However, I reckon this weekend most of us have been made housebound, by the weather,  and we get a tiny feel for what it’s like.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 11, 2019, 04:48:57 pm
Thanks for that, F.  Maybe housebound was to strong a word, I do get out, but I am a bit of a fair weather everything these days.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 12, 2019, 01:16:38 pm
Being housebound and a bit fed up with the weather, I felt rotten when I realised that both the Eisteddfod and Eglwysbach Show were on over the Weekend, and from experience, I am well aware of the difficulties involved in these conditions, rain you can plan for, but wind can be unpredictable and dangerous, I think a "Well Done" to all involved, is in order.

THE recent rain and mud did not dampen spirits at the annual Eglwysbach Show, which is a must see attraction for North Wales rural communities.

The show has been held on the second Saturday in August every year. Over the years the show has welcomed visitors and competitors from all parts of North Wales and other locations such as Manchester and Birmingham and further afield.

As in previous years it boasted many attractions for the young, the old and those in between, with numerous trade stands, and classes for cattle, sheep, heavy and light horses, poultry, flowers, vegetables, handicrafts, children’s classes, a speed shearing competition, a fun dog show, donkey rides, a local garden competition, tractors and classic machinery, a fairground, and an art exhibition. The horticulture marquee was a particular attraction and included a range of vegetables, flowers, farm and dairy produce, handicraft and photography exhibits. ref Pioneer


Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 27, 2019, 10:01:09 am
According to this, the council will definitely have to revise their 300mm plan on the cycle path ?

Pictures show how North Wales will be swallowed by the sea if levels continue to rise
Places like Rhyl, Prestatyn, Llandudno, Flint, Bangor and Caernarfon will disappear, according to these simulation images released by the Climate Centre

Full article.....
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/horror-pictures-show-how-north-16819642 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/horror-pictures-show-how-north-16819642)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 27, 2019, 11:29:34 am
According to this, the council will definitely have to revise their 300mm plan on the cycle path ?

Full article.....
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/horror-pictures-show-how-north-16819642 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/horror-pictures-show-how-north-16819642)

Perhaps CCBC  in its infinite wisdom is planning for the future, well September 2019 anyway and will then meet again on a monthly basis to discuss future increases in the height        &shake&

Picture the scene in the real world, a raised walkway made of either wood or recycled plastic under 5 feet of windblown sand and along comes Jennings Plant Hire with their heavy machinery to do the regular sand clearance        *tumble*

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 27, 2019, 12:38:37 pm
There are a lot of ifs and buts with regard to sea level rises. I doubt it's anywhere near as clear cut as the article suggests.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on August 27, 2019, 08:12:02 pm
The sea level will continue to rise and the full cause is not global warming or melting of the ice caps.

We are continually being told that all of our plastic rubbish is ending up in the world's oceans so more and more solids going into the water.  There is a continual movement of silt into the sea as it is washed down the many rivers of the world.  On top of that ships are getting bigger and bigger and more of them.

Put all that together and you have a huge mass that simply displaces the water which only has one way to go ... upwards.

Silting will have been going on since the world began, ships have been getting bigger for the past few centuries, plastic is a relatively new thing.

Something else that is new is the fact that we can measure the changes a lot more accurately than in the past, but land has been lost to the sea since time began.

On a local note and for those who know Bodnant Garden.  Next time you're on on the stone bridge by the Old Mill look downstream and you will see a small weir.  The house next to it is where I lived for the first few years of my life, so that's over 60 years ago.  I used to play in the river a lot!  It was only on spring tides that the tidal water came over that weir.  Now it comes over nearly every time we have high tide, the river (Hiraethlyn) is tidal up to that stone bridge.  Certainly supports the theory of sea level rising.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 28, 2019, 09:36:54 am
It's a fiendishly difficult topic, as I've said. It's only relatively recently that serious and long term studies have been done to determine potential sea level rises, and we still have no clear idea of how things will pan out over the longer term,

To illustrate the difficulties involved, this is an abstract from an academic site regarding the geological problems involved in determining potential sea level rise:

"The errors involved in attempting to correlate evidence of sea-level change gathered from disparate areas are discussed as follows:- 1. Errors due to levelling, especially in deep boreholes and at sea. 2. Problems of identifying the horizon to be levelled, and uncertainties that this horizon does represent the intended relationship to water-table. 3. Uncertainties in relating recognised changes in water-table, as indicated by vegetation or sediments to sea-level. 4. Errors in the estimation of present-day tidal levels, particularly in areas with a large tidal range. 5. Variations in tidal levels over time, especially in areas such as the English Channel and estuaries, where large changes in the coastline may have occurred. 6. The importance of the rare event, e.g. storm surges; and astronomical causes of variations in tidal levels. 7. Consolidation of sediments as a result of gravitational compaction. 8. Changes in the relationship of vegetation zones to sea-level, during periods of rapid sea-level rise. 9. Variations in the closeness of correspondence between sedimentation rates and sea-level rise. 10. Errors in radiocarbon dating. All the available ‘sea-level’ radiocarbon dates for Wales, S.W. England and the Channel Islands are plotted on the same diagram, as error ellipses. No significant difference in sea-level rise is apparent between S.W. England and Cardigan Bay. Only in the case of N. Wales is there a strong suggestion that isostatic uplift has had an appreciable effect in the last 8000 years. Important differences result from the use of M.H.W.S.T. or M.H.W.O.T. as the datum level. Any oscillations in the course of sea-level rise are smaller than the other uncertainties. No evidence of sea-levels higher than the present is seen."

The total amount of shipping tonnage world wide is estimated to be 186,000,000 tons while the total amount of oceanic water is estimated to be 350,000,000,000,000,000 tons, so to simplify that it amounts to less than 2 tons of shipping per 350 billion tons of water, which I'm reliably informed would amount to a displacement of around 0.0002 cm.

There are, however, lots of other factors, and the Pacific tectonic structure is far from stable, so uplifts do occur, sometimes with devastating results.

A holistic appreciation and study of the issue is mind-bogglingly complex, and I don't believe the Newspapers seeking to increase circulation and spark some panic is the best way to address the problem.  More worrying is the fact that for some time the Earth's magnetic field has been changing; the magnetic North pole is now somewhere in Siberia.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 28, 2019, 09:52:57 am
What you have said DVT is exactly what is happening around the world and those of us who are old enough can relate it to the changes in the River Conwy.      About 55 years ago I was in a boat on the river and we were fishing by Benarth Point at low tide.    The water was in fact under 2 feet deep at the time and the engine got stuck in the silt
Since then I've noticed the river is more prone to silting up with the inevitable flooding as a result.    A more extreme example is in Bangladesh which lies on a river delta and has serious floods every year

On a personal note that small weir that you refer to, was it anywhere near where the old A470  went over a bridge?       I remember the old road and that it was replaced by the newer and wider section of the A470 at the bottom of Bodnant Hill
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 28, 2019, 10:58:48 am
More worrying is the fact that for some time the Earth's magnetic field has been changing; the magnetic North pole is now somewhere in Siberia.
A vague recollection of reading about the enormous amount of water the worlds population needs, and the increased use of dams, has resulted in the earth shifting, a quick search confirms my thoughts.........

https://www.google.com/search?q=have+dams+caused+pole+movement&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB813GB813&oq=have+dams+caused+pole+movement&aqs=chrome..69i57.36715j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=have+dams+caused+pole+movement&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB813GB813&oq=have+dams+caused+pole+movement&aqs=chrome..69i57.36715j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 28, 2019, 11:28:07 am
There's an interesting article in The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/08/amazon-fire-earth-has-plenty-oxygen/596923/) that shows just how complicated the entire global warming / sea level rise topic really is.  Parkgate on the Wirral is an interesting illustration of how rivers silt up over time.

But sea levels around the globe are not expected to rise consistently: "sea level will not rise uniformly everywhere on Earth, and it will even drop in some locations. Local factors include tectonic effects and subsidence of the land, tides, currents and storms."  If the climate warms significantly - and that does appear to be happening - then thermal oceanic expansion will increase the volume of water, which could precipitate rises.

Since Satellite data has been available, NASA has measured a consistent sea level rise of around 3.3 mm per year. The most accurate measurements show that between 1993 and 2017 there's been a rise that will equate to around 12" per century.

What's worrying climatologists and Geologists is the threat of a prolonged warm spell;  these have happened historically (the Earth was a lot warmer in the past) and all the evidence is that this would lead to greater and more severe incidences of major storms.

In the recent geological past, changes in land ice and thermal expansion from increased temperatures are the dominant reasons of sea level rise. The last time the Earth was 2 °C (3.6 °F) warmer than pre-industrial temperatures, sea levels were at least 5 metres (16 ft) higher than now: this was when warming because of changes in the amount of sunlight due to slow changes in the Earth's orbit caused the last interglacial. The warming was sustained over a period of thousands of years and the magnitude of the rise in sea level implies a large contribution from the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets.

Sadly, until and unless humanity stops vandalising the planet by exploiting its fossil resources (the US is the worst culprit) we're all slowly burning the planet to death.  It's worth remembering that when you fill a car with petrol or diesel you're actually about to burn an ancient forest or group of ancient animals that locked away vast amounts of carbon millions of years ago. That's why the government has to start pushing EVs and PHEVs as the only option for all types of transport.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on August 28, 2019, 08:26:25 pm
Quote - Hugo ... On a personal note that small weir that you refer to, was it anywhere near where the old A470  went over a bridge?       I remember the old road and that it was replaced by the newer and wider section of the A470 at the bottom of Bodnant Hill

Not quite ... the stone bridge is facing the Old Mill at the bottom of Bodnant Garden.  The weir is a few yards downstram and there is another one about 20 yards further down river, under the wooden bridge that leads to the cottages where I once lived.  I have a theory, unproven, that when the mill was operating as a corn mill back in the 19th century, barges would go up the river to deliver/collect loads.  My theory is supported by the fact that where that river (Hiraethlyn) joins the Conway there was once a quayside (Cae Cae Gwyn - White Field Quay), of which there are still some remains.

The "new" road (A470 but before that was the A496) was constructed in about 1965/1966 - at that time I lived in Conway Cottage which is the house next to the entrance to the Welsh Food Centre.  1966 is also when I started driving.  I certainly remember the old road and the bridge (which is still there) and how narrow it was as two lorries/coaches travelling in opposite directions struggled to pass each other.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on August 28, 2019, 11:27:32 pm
Let me get this straight, toy dinosaurs are made out of plastic...... and plastic is made out of oil.
Oil is made from ancient forests and Dinosaurs.

So..... toy dinosaurs are made out of REAL dinosaurs!

I intend to sell lots of toy dinosaurs now that I can safely claim that strap line.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 29, 2019, 07:44:04 am
Thanks very much for explaining that DVT,  I have driven on that old section of the old road but my memory of it is rather vague now.  What I do remember was a tragic accident there when a vehicle went off the bridge into the water and in the vehicle were two parents and their six young children,    The children survived but sadly the mother and father both drowned in the river and those children were sadly orphaned at a very young age
Many years later I became friends with one of the sons who was involved in the accident but we never talked much about the accident
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on August 29, 2019, 09:02:17 am
I don't remember that incident, but it could be that it was kept from me as I would have been quite young (born 1949) - certainly a major tragedy.

One thing I do remember about the old road was when the Milk Race (round Britain bicycle race) came round.  Smith's Crisps were one of the sponsors.  Myself, Dad and the family that lived in Furnace Farm were sat on the wall at the entrance to the Old Mill , right by the old bridge, when a Crisps van came round - in those days there were tins of crisps on top of the van.  As the van turned for the bridge a number of tins slid off ... the van didn't stop and we didn't have to buy crisps for weeks afterwards!!!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on September 02, 2019, 03:33:48 pm
DVT,    I've just had a look at British Newspapers online and a report of the accident was reported in the Liverpool Echo on the 9th Feb 1967
It was a Bedford Dormobile that went in to the river and the paper said that 10 children were orphaned although I'm sure that I read 6 children  and I think that my friend said 6 too.   Whatever the number was it was a terrible tragedy and the parents were only in their mid to late 30's when it happened
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on September 02, 2019, 05:18:42 pm
Thanks for that info, Hugo.  I would have been nearly 18 at that time but strangely cannot remember the incident despite living only a couple of minutes away.  Terrible accident and must have been not long after that the new stretch of road opened.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on September 04, 2019, 04:47:57 pm
DVT,  today was the first time in over 50 years since I have been by that narrow bridge that was once part of the main road.   The tide was quite high and although the water was a muddy colour it looked quite deep
The weir that you refer to, is it upstream and just out of sight in my photo?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on September 05, 2019, 09:03:23 pm
Hugo ...

... the weir I refer to is further upstream.  The photo here was taken this morning, I was hoping to take the same pic at high tide which I thought was due at 1515 today but I was still there at 1530 and it had some way to go, and I couldn't wait any longer, had to go on patrol!

... the pic is taken from the stone bridge that is directly opposite the Old Mill at the bottom of Bodnant Garden (see pic from tripadvisor).  The weir I refer to is at the bottom of the picture I took, it is directly under the remains of an old crane (the jib has long gone).  There is another weir directly below the wooden footbridge that leads to Mill Cottage, that bridge is not within the garden grounds.

... at high tide the water level gets over the weir and reaches the stone bridge.

... the two weirs would, in my opinion, have allowed a still depth of water in which to moor a barge for use in transporting the corn in the days of the mill working (1830 to 1870) but no-one has found any evidence to support my theory.  Equally, no-one has been able to prove me wrong!!!

... when I was a boy playing in the river (early 1950's) the water level only came over the weir during spring tides, now it happens every time - so why has the water level risen?

... some say global warming and the melting of the ice caps.  I think that the constant running of rivers into the sea, taking with it silt, would contribute much more to the rise in levels.  Add to that all the rubbish that has gone into the oceans and there is a noticeable displacement of water, and consequently rising levels.  That's just my theory, I am no scientist!

Apologies to admin - this discussion has hi-jacked the original thread so please move if deemed necessary!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 06, 2019, 08:44:22 am
Well...it's still roughly on climate and weather :-)   Might see you this weekend - we're popping up for the free entrance.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on September 06, 2019, 01:07:49 pm
Sorry, I'll be in New Brighton tomorrow (Saturday).  As Ian points out, it's FREE entry to Bodnant Garden (Saturday 7th) - plenty to see as the autumn colours are starting to show.  You won't see high tide though as that's about 6am and 6pm when the garden is closed!  Keep your eyes open at the Far End as the kingfishers are around.  Wednesdays and Thursdays are when I'm there and will gladly give you a guided tour, start times usually 11am and 2pm.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 07, 2019, 02:16:11 pm
Bodnant was heaving from the moment the gates opened today. Despite being overcast hordes piled in, filling the car parks and pouring into the gardens.
Title: Re: Everything to do with Rhos On Sea
Post by: Hugo on September 07, 2019, 02:27:13 pm
I thought that it might be busy there today so I decided against going and will go there when the Autumn colours appear later on.
It has been a nice day today so I hope that those that did go there enjoyed the experience
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 07, 2019, 02:49:45 pm
We certainly did. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 18, 2019, 09:34:20 am
One of the best signs of Autumn.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 19, 2019, 03:01:16 pm
The last two sunsets at Westshore have been stunning, if you cannot get here, may I suggest you check it out on the Westshore cafe Web cam.   I have not had a go myself, but have put my alarm on for 7pm.        http://www.westshorebeachcafe.com/webcam-in-llandudno/ (http://www.westshorebeachcafe.com/webcam-in-llandudno/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Merddin Emrys on September 19, 2019, 09:35:51 pm
Just been to see it at the West Shore, lovely!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Cordyline on September 19, 2019, 10:04:23 pm
I grabbed this tonight
West Shore café web-cam
The clock is usually 4 minutes fast  $yes$

Must be pretty close to low tide
(https://i.imgur.com/KUV8sTzh.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 20, 2019, 08:57:51 am
Great pics. I was hoping for more clouds, personally, as I think they add something to the scene.  This wall-to-wall blueness can make you feel a bit blue...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 20, 2019, 09:28:20 am
I was going to say sorry this morning as the sunset was not as deep !  as the previous nights, but the pics look good, I spotted quite a few people down there on the web cam, and it was a lovely evening.

I have tried to get a screen shot off that cam before without success ....  any advice please.  Ta
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on September 20, 2019, 10:24:48 am
I just take a screen shot, but I use Macs.  And I wasn't having a go at you, Steve; I was speaking generally about the sunsets at the moment.  The one last night just moved into an orange glow. Clouds would have made it so much nicer.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 20, 2019, 11:04:41 am
I just take a screen shot, but I use Macs.  And I wasn't having a go at you, Steve; I was speaking generally about the sunsets at the moment.  The one last night just moved into an orange glow. Clouds would have made it so much nicer.

Didn't think you were having    *punch*  .........   I was disappointed after posting a recommendation to view the sunset and it turning out to be a bit peely-wally, will have to keep an eye on the web cam, and Mrs H is explaining the screen grab to me.  :-[  so with luck I can post some photos.                                                     
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Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Cordyline on September 20, 2019, 12:56:03 pm
Steve
To screen grab I use LINK (https://www.bing.com/search?q=irfanview&form=EDNTHN&mkt=en-gb&httpsmsn=1&plvar=0&refig=b591c7f841a44802c01793b5ba39d9e9&sp=1&ghc=1&qs=AS&pq=irfa&sk=PRES1&sc=8-4&cvid=b591c7f841a44802c01793b5ba39d9e9&cc=GB&setlang=en-GB)

Irfanview is free; good for sorting photos too
Needs a little patience at first but well worth the effort
(https://i.imgur.com/v21QqCwh.jpg)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 20, 2019, 01:50:59 pm
Many thanks C. have bookmarked link and will try tonight. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 20, 2019, 05:09:48 pm
test  0n Irfanview    OK so far so good, now I have to remember it,  more work on resizing I think.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Cordyline on September 20, 2019, 10:13:29 pm
Steve   &well&
With your image on screen left click mouse and scribe a rectangle shape
Then under Edit drop-down menu; select Crop Selection (cut out)

Under File drop-down menu select; Save (original folder)

Or save as... and give it a name
Good luck
John
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 21, 2019, 10:21:38 am
Thanks again, getting the hang of it, but a bit more practice, if I get anymore good photos I will post on the Westshore thread.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on September 25, 2019, 04:08:07 pm
Sunset last Thursday from Colwyn Bay looking towards the Little Orme
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 28, 2019, 12:54:20 pm
Just in case, outside taps and hoses, plants etc

An ice warning has been issued for large parts of North Wales on Friday morning.   including the 3T area

The Met Office issued a yellow warning saying temperatures are expected to fall way below freezing.

The warning is in place from just after midnight to 10am on Friday, November 29.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on November 28, 2019, 02:01:33 pm
Just to add to what Steve's said, the big danger is that the rain that falls won't have dried out before it freezes, so you might step out tomorrow onto a sheet of black ice.

Had this once before - in 2010. We couldn't even walk across our drive.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 08, 2019, 12:12:57 pm
The Met office has removed Conwy from the Weather warning of extreme winds later today. It'll still be a tad breezy  bu it will start around three hours later than originally thought and we'll avoid the worst.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 08, 2019, 12:15:20 pm
This is an excellent site for weather watchers (https://www.ventusky.com/?p=62;-41;2&l=pressure) and a chilling example of just how nasty climate change is becoming.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 22, 2019, 11:31:01 am
Winter 2019 in Northern Hemisphere began on
Sunday, 22 December
and ends on
Friday, 20 March 2020
All dates are in United Kingdom Time.

Looking forward to the brighter mornings     ;)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2019, 12:55:52 pm
So are we, but the evenings start getting lighter today, but the morning don't change for around two weeks. Very annoying :-)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 27, 2019, 10:45:08 am
North Wales could be warmer than Athens as Met Office predicts unseasonably high temperatures
The mercury  could ?  hit 16C this weekend in some areas

BUT ......"Towards the middle of next week, it looks to remain rather unsettled for a time as bands of wet and windy weather cross the UK.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-could-warmer-athens-17475452 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-could-warmer-athens-17475452)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2020, 12:27:36 pm
The weather in Colwyn Bay has been quite rough this morning and it must be bin day in some parts of the area as I've driven past quite a few of the empty green stacker bins which have been blown across the roads.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 12, 2020, 11:51:26 am
People often talk about the extremes of weather that we are having now and despite what Donald Trump may say about Global Warming being "fake news"   we know from the scientists and the News that this is actually happening.    We can also see for ourselves, especially older people like me can see that local conditions like wind and sea levels and storms are getting more extreme.
I've attached three photos below which I have attached many many times before and it gave me food for thought.

Photo No1 was taken about 1960
Photo No2  was taken in 1988  ( but was like that in 1992 also )
That is roughly 28 years +  between both photos

Photo No 2 again taken in 1988
Photo No 3  taken in 2019
That is roughly 31 years between photos 

Is that a sign of an acceleration of Global warming or  a catastrophic clanger by the CCBC?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 12, 2020, 01:16:29 pm
People often talk about the extremes of weather that we are having now and despite what Donald Trump may say about Global Warming being "fake news"   we know from the scientists and the News that this is actually happening.    We can also see for ourselves, especially older people like me can see that local conditions like wind and sea levels and storms are getting more extreme.
I've attached three photos below which I have attached many many times before and it gave me food for thought.

As much as CCBC would like to blame Global warming for the West Shore mess, I think it is just bad planning, I would like to see Trump face to face with an Australian crowd and tell them Global Warming is fake news, my own views on GW are whether natural or man made, we have to act now, and lower our contribution before it is to late.     

An article I read some time ago.........  How We Know Today's Climate Change Is Not Natural     https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2017/04/04/how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 13, 2020, 02:30:51 pm
The storm is looking bad here in Colwyn Bay but other parts of N Wales seem to have had in worse and there is another 24 hours to come of this bad weather

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-brendan-live-flood-alerts-17558886 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-brendan-live-flood-alerts-17558886)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 02, 2020, 01:21:41 pm
The UK is set to bask in balmy conditions as temperatures warmer than Greece and Spain are expected this weekend.

Forecasters are predicting that the mercury could rise to 20C on Sunday - warmer than the 15C forecast in Athens and the 18C expected in Malaga.

The UK remains in a partial lockdown due to the coronavirus outbreak, so people wishing to enjoy the warm spell will have to make do with spending it in their gardens or on their daily exercise outing.

People have been urged to avoid all but essential travel while the pandemic continues.

The warm weather will be tempered, however, by strong winds in North Wales, with gusts reaching 50mph in some places.  refDP
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on June 13, 2020, 11:15:15 am
Weekend weather!


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weather-warning-issued-thunderstorms-set-18414659 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weather-warning-issued-thunderstorms-set-18414659)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 04, 2020, 09:59:23 am
I  wish that this hot weather that has been forecast comes here quickly as I've had to put the central heating on today


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/hottest-temperatures-hit-north-wales-18710049 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/hottest-temperatures-hit-north-wales-18710049)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on August 04, 2020, 11:47:34 am
With you there Hugo. We have just lit the fire, crazy in August.

Heavy rain, southerly gale so the garden is taking a real battering. Weather up here has been much cooler this year after a lovely May so things are just coming out and then this happens.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 04, 2020, 12:07:28 pm
Around 20 years ago climatologists forecast the UK would see a shift towards milder winters, wetter and windier summers and more periods of extreme heat for short spells. If we don't have any snow this year it'll be around seven years since we last saw it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 04, 2020, 01:12:21 pm
With you there Hugo. We have just lit the fire, crazy in August.

Heavy rain, southerly gale so the garden is taking a real battering. Weather up here has been much cooler this year after a lovely May so things are just coming out and then this happens.

Our metal garden furniture has just blown over as have some of the large garden flower pots so I've had to put everything on the floor to save further damage.     It's just extremes of weather at the moment
At least I don't live on the West Shore and get sand blasted, it must be awful there today
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 06, 2020, 04:26:40 pm
After the gales this week here comes a heatwave.   I wonder what next week has to offer weather wise       ?{}?


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/saharan-blowtorch-heatwave-send-uk-18725728 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/saharan-blowtorch-heatwave-send-uk-18725728)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2020, 06:41:15 pm
Saturday won't be too bad, but Fri, Sun, Mon and Tues could be uncomfortable. Biggest problem today is humidity. 64% indoor and more than 80% out.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on August 06, 2020, 07:00:01 pm


Our metal garden furniture has just blown over as have some of the large garden flower pots so I've had to put everything on the floor to save further damage.     It's just extremes of weather at the moment
At least I don't live on the West Shore and get sand blasted, it must be awful there today

There is a video on FB of the sand blowing. You expect camels round the next corner !
West Shore was exceedingly busy this afternoon, despite the sand !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2020, 07:42:12 pm
For a very precise view of global weather this is the best site (https://www.ventusky.com/?p=11;-47;2&l=temperature-2m&t=20200807/1400). You can zoom into an area very closely, and it provides instant temperatures under the mouse pointer .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on August 06, 2020, 09:45:40 pm
Interesting site. Made me a little doubtful though when investigating local things that I was informed that the Grand Hotel had a pool !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 07, 2020, 10:42:30 am
How did you find that? When I zoom in on Ventusky, it only takes me to town sized views–not individual properties.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 25, 2020, 03:27:49 pm


OOOOOOOOOOOOoooouuuuuuuuccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh                                     http://www.westshorebeachcafe.com/webcam-in-llandudno/ (http://www.westshorebeachcafe.com/webcam-in-llandudno/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 25, 2020, 04:02:56 pm
It looks pretty grim out there Steve.     The wind is westerly so it'll just add to the problems by the boating lake
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 25, 2020, 04:13:40 pm
Storm Francis LIVE: Power cuts and roads blocked as amber warning issued


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-francis-live-power-cuts-18825984 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-francis-live-power-cuts-18825984)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 25, 2020, 05:27:58 pm
Small tree down in Trinity Ave. Llandudno
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 26, 2020, 10:11:10 am
Sorry to say, that the above tree looks like the last remaining piece of the Memorial hospital/Youth Club, the building work probably damaged the root system.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 26, 2020, 10:42:02 am
Storm Francis: Dozens evacuated after flooding


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53907943 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53907943)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 04, 2020, 01:03:16 pm
There was an incredible amount of rain falling in the area yesterday but I haven't heard anything about Llanrwst and the River Conwy.   It wouldn't surprise me if the Conwy Valley railway line will be  out of action again


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-river-bursts-banks-heavy-19046860 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-river-bursts-banks-heavy-19046860)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on October 04, 2020, 05:53:28 pm
The water table was too low for that, Hugo; we drove from Llanrwst in a circle via Betwys and not a single field even has standing water on it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 04, 2020, 06:13:28 pm
Thank goodness for that Ian as Llanrwst usually suffers when we have had that much rain, let's hope that it stays that way.       $good$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 28, 2020, 09:50:12 am
Ships gather to shelter off Anglesey coast as stormy weather is set to hit North Wales
The vessels have been sitting off Moelfre ahead of a weather warning.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ships-gather-shelter-anglesey-coast-19176720 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ships-gather-shelter-anglesey-coast-19176720)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on October 28, 2020, 06:06:12 pm
Think we are in for a very stormy weekend looking at the forecadt.

Quick trip over to Oban this morning to have new tyres put on the car.  Bumpy crossing both ways with a very heavy swell.
Now home and securing everything outside ready for what's to come.  Hold on tight ! big tides as well.
West Shore sandhills should look good by early next week. Get the camels ready.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 28, 2020, 08:02:17 pm
It's not looking good here either Mull. those sandhills on the West Shore will be on the move and moving further down Abbey Road


https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18828736.north-wales-battered-four-days-heavy-rain-yellow-weather-warning-extended/ (https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/18828736.north-wales-battered-four-days-heavy-rain-yellow-weather-warning-extended/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 28, 2020, 09:33:28 pm
Thanks for that Hugo ! *&(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 29, 2020, 10:12:07 am
Thanks for that Hugo ! *&(

Here you go Nem...................
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 29, 2020, 11:13:43 am
The West Shore web cam shows how bad the conditions are and I could only see two people out walking, one being a dedicated dog owner.

SSW winds of over 40 mph forecast throughout the day so that bucket and spade may come in very handy later
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: norman08 on October 29, 2020, 01:04:21 pm
Well it wasn't me and the dog 😂😂 she won't venture ou, as you say Hugo the buckets & spades will be out on the roads.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 29, 2020, 02:00:12 pm
Sorry Steve...no can do. We will rely on you for the bucket and spade. I still can't walk very well and my OH has been struck down with sciatica! Tried to stagger out with the dog, but the wind nearly had me over. Dog will have to go in the garden!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 29, 2020, 02:30:51 pm
Sorry to hear that Nem, keep taking the tablets, and I hope you both get better soon. $good$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 29, 2020, 05:27:01 pm
Thank you Steve----we are rattling with tablets !!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Blongb on October 30, 2020, 12:51:55 pm
Thank you Steve----we are rattling with tablets !!

It comes to us all Nem, stay warm and stay safe  $good$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on October 30, 2020, 01:07:36 pm
Thanks Blongb, we are doing our best !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 02, 2020, 09:55:29 am
New interactive map reveals exactly which parts of North Wales are most at risk of flooding
Natural Resources Wales has produced the map

A new map shows exactly which areas of North Wales are at risk from flooding by rivers, sea and surface water.

The chart released by Natural Resources Wales (NRW) goes into close-up detail across the region on where land could be impacted and how badly.

It gives three colours - blue for rivers, green for sea and purple for surface water and small watercourses, with different shades for risk level representing low, medium and high.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-interactive-map-reveals-exactly-19187558 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-interactive-map-reveals-exactly-19187558)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2020, 11:02:45 am
Met Office issues Boxing Day wind warning with gusts of up to 80mph possible and it's nothing to do with the sprouts you've eaten on Christmas Day


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-boxing-day-19510649 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-boxing-day-19510649)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 26, 2020, 03:17:45 pm
North Wales is bracing itself for a battering from Force Ten gusts as Storm Bella hits the region on Boxing Day.

The Met Office is expecting winds of up to 60mph this afternoon and evening as the storm sweeps northwards.


Screen shot (15.16pm )from Marine traffic, showing large number of ships taking shelter ......... 

 https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-3.7/centery:53.3/zoom:9 (https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-3.7/centery:53.3/zoom:9)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 27, 2020, 10:27:58 am
Last night Storm Bella was at it's worst and everything was rattling on our roof and I could hear things getting blown about in People's gardens but this morning the wind has abated and it's fairly calm.
The first thing I read on my laptop this morning however was a yellow warning for ice and snow in North Wales and it's supposed to be starting today and lasting for two days.
December has been very wet indeed and I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the wettest on record


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-gets-another-weather-19524254 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-gets-another-weather-19524254)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 27, 2020, 12:51:18 pm
No sign of any of the bad weather so far, in fact it's quite pleasant here at the moment but only time will tell

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weather-warnings-extended-experts-say-19525528 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weather-warnings-extended-experts-say-19525528)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 28, 2020, 10:06:40 am
MUCH of the UK is expecting snow and ice today (Monday) after being hit by storms throughout Christmas.

The Met Office has put in place yellow weather warnings for snow and ice across Northern Ireland, most of Scotland and much of Wales.

The warning is in place for Conwy and Denbighshire but not currently for Bangor (Gwynedd) or Anglesey.

A forecast statement reads: "A band of rain, sleet and snow followed by wintry showers will move south across Western and Central parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland on Sunday evening and then into parts of Northern England and North Wales early on Monday morning.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18972259.snow-ice-weather-warning-place-conwy-north-denbighshire/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/18972259.snow-ice-weather-warning-place-conwy-north-denbighshire/)

I saw on the news last night...........The M6 was closed for over three hours due to multiple crashes on the northbound carriageway after a sudden downpour of snow and hail.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 02, 2021, 01:04:03 pm
Wales weather warning for snow and ice disruption.      We have been lucky so far in avoiding the bad weather and hopefully we'll miss this  ice and snow warning but anything is possible nowadays


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55514510 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55514510)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 20, 2021, 10:57:07 am
Conwy Valley railway line flooded after torrential downpours.    No surprises here though!

https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=134897&headline=Conwy%20Valley%20railway%20line%20flooded%20after%20torrential%20downpours&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2021&cat=Transport (https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/article.cfm?id=134897&headline=Conwy%20Valley%20railway%20line%20flooded%20after%20torrential%20downpours&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2021&cat=Transport)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 21, 2021, 10:26:47 am
Shocking drone pictures show bridge washed away by might of Storm Christoph
Llanerch Bridge between Trefnant and Tremeirchion disappeared in the deluge as torrential rain battered North Wales

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/shocking-drone-pictures-show-bridge-19669455 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/shocking-drone-pictures-show-bridge-19669455)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 21, 2021, 10:30:19 am
Storm Christoph: Man rescued from car roof after it's 'swept away' in raging floodwater
The fire service's water rescue team and Ogwen Valley Mountain Rescue helped free the driver who was trapped after trying to ford a flooded road near Bangor


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-christoph-man-rescued-car-19668453 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-christoph-man-rescued-car-19668453)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 24, 2021, 10:17:21 am
Makes a change..
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 24, 2021, 02:01:14 pm
North Wales gets another weather alert as experts warn of treacherous conditions
Many people woke up to snow this morning and police are worried some may be tempted to get in their cars.     In Colwyn Heights about two inches of snow fell yesterday and it froze overnight.    During this morning there were further light falls of light snow but none at the moment


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-gets-another-weather-19689890 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-gets-another-weather-19689890)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate.....Two feet of snow ! !
Post by: SteveH on January 25, 2021, 09:55:13 am
                     
                                         Two feet of snow     :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2021, 11:22:45 am
A couple of my neighbours mentioned the Thunder snow and said that nthey were woken up last night by a loud clap of thunder followed by a blue light which lit up their rooms.
I must admit that I was fast asleep and didn't hear a thing

I've just finished digging the snow from my drive, it was about 3 inches deep so I hope that it doesn't snow again
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 25, 2021, 11:32:28 am
A couple of my neighbours mentioned the Thunder snow and said that nthey were woken up last night by a loud clap of thunder followed by a blue light which lit up their rooms.
I must admit that I was fast asleep and didn't hear a thing

I've just finished digging the snow from my drive, it was about 3 inches deep so I hope that it doesn't snow again

A bit of trivia, I watched a documentary last night on snow clearing in Montreal in Canada, they spend up to $160.000.000 that's allowing for 5 major clearings per winter, I bet Jenkin's would like some of that business .
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 25, 2021, 03:57:42 pm
CCTV captures deafening 'thundersnow' flash, bang and roar over North Wales
The din which broke out just over midnight woke up hundreds and was loudest over Conwy county

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cctv-captures-deafening-thundersnow-flash-19693708 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/cctv-captures-deafening-thundersnow-flash-19693708)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 28, 2021, 03:29:03 pm
Snow could cause disruption across Wales for a second weekend

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55840801 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55840801)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 11, 2021, 05:15:37 pm
The 'beautiful' icicle tree you had to be quick to see that amazed passersby

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/beautiful-icicle-tree-you-quick-19818844 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/beautiful-icicle-tree-you-quick-19818844)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 12, 2021, 04:30:21 pm
It's cold at Aber Falls too as this facebook photo shows.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 18, 2021, 02:52:48 pm
At least the snow that we have had in this area wasn't as bad as in these photos
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 22, 2021, 03:20:14 pm
Wonderful       $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$     clappinghappy
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2021, 10:06:02 am
Get ready for this.................    https://media.rainpos.com/4417/harbin_ice_festival_in_china.mp4
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 23, 2021, 03:29:31 pm
Wonderful       $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$     clappinghappy


What a difference a day makes!     Today it's gales and rain and not much fun at 3.30 am when our puppy wants to go out into the garden

I noticed yesterday on the West Shore web cam that dozens of cars were parked in the car park where people had driven for either sightseeing or to start their exercise from,but today there are only about six cars there
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2021, 03:39:06 pm
Quote
I noticed yesterday on the West Shore web cam that dozens of cars were parked in the car park where people had driven for either sightseeing or to start their exercise from,but today there are only about six cars there

The parking started early in the side streets ? !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on February 23, 2021, 04:13:13 pm
Wonderful       $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$ $sunny$     clappinghappy


What a difference a day makes!     Today it's gales and rain and not much fun at 3.30 am when our puppy wants to go out into the garden

I noticed yesterday on the West Shore web cam that dozens of cars were parked in the car park where people had driven for either sightseeing or to start their exercise from,but today there are only about six cars there

I shouldn't think anyone could stand up at West Shore, it is gale force here as I found out earlier.

You brought back memories for me. I remember standing in gently falling snow in the early hours when Frizzy was a pup.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 09, 2021, 03:06:09 pm
Coastal areas such as Llandudno will see windy spells on Tuesday evening, with gusts hitting around 50mph overnight, before easing again on Wednesday.

That second spell of stormy weather will cause wind speeds to rise above 50mph from 3pm, and continue rising to a peak of around 63mph from 3am on Thursday
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https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/forecasters-warn-severe-gales-could-20000942 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/forecasters-warn-severe-gales-could-20000942)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 04, 2021, 01:45:59 pm
If like me you have spent the weekend gardening and potting............ BEWARE....I know we don't put much faith in weather reports BUT !!

SNOW showers and a northerly wind are set to end Wales' warm spell on Monday, according to the Met Office.

A spokesperson has warned that the bright and warm weather Wales has enjoyed of late will be replaced by snow and freezing temperatures over the coming days.

According to the Met Office, temperatures are expected to drop sharply overnight tonight before snow begins to arrive in the region tomorrow.

A Met Office spokesperson said: "We will see strong winds and risk of coastal gales developing overnight. Temperatures drop sharply leading to a harsh frost.

"Rain will be followed by wintry showers push in from the north, mostly clearing by dawn."

Their forecast for Monday said: "A mostly dry morning with snow showers arriving in the afternoon.

"A cold day with a biting northerly wind, despite the frequent sunny spells. Another widespread frost developing overnight. Maximum temperature 7C."

The Met Office also predicts that there is a chance of 'heavy snow' falling across the region - including in North Wales.

By 7am on Monday, temperatures will be close to freezing across much of North Wales, with the mercury falling to 0C around Snowdonia.

Coastal areas are expected to see temperatures of around 3C.

Light snow will be a factor on Monday morning in communities around Snowdonia. It will clear later in the day, although by around 10pm on Monday, there could be further snow spells around Snowdonia.

Temperatures are set to drop further on Tuesday, with readings of -1C in several inland parts of North Wales, and temperatures of about 2C on the coast.

And there could be heavy snow on Tuesday morning, particularly in Snowdonia, with light snow spells elsewhere in Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire and possibly Anglesey.

The snow is set to ease at around 4pm on Tuesday.

The Met Office said conditions will start to ease by Wednesday, but it will be windy with outbreaks of rain on Thursday.

They predict it will also remain 'unseasonably cold' throughout the rest of the week.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 26, 2021, 02:32:37 pm
Met Office says North Wales thunderstorms could cause flooding as weather warning issued
Heavy rain, lightning and hail could hit the region in the coming days

People have been warned that thunderstorms could spark flooding across North Wales this week.

The Met Office has issued a yellow weather warning for the whole of North Wales, with the potential for travel disruption and flooding to homes and businesses.

The warning comes into force at 9am on Tuesday and remains in place until 6am on Wednesday.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-says-north-wales-21144202 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-says-north-wales-21144202)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 29, 2021, 12:51:31 pm
Why meteorologists are warning us to expect 40C summer temperatures

THE UK is being warned to prepare for temperatures exceeding 40C during the summer months by leading meteorologists.

It is starting to see increasingly extreme temperatures and it is unlikely to change, even if humanity is able to limit global warming to 1.5C.

Forecasters and meteorologists correctly predicted the heatwave in July which forced Public Health England to issue a heat health alert this week for the very first time.

Beaches, parks and other public spaces were packed as Brits enjoyed blistering heat with highs of 32C.

Here in North Wales temperatures reached 29C to 30C.

Health experts urged people to spend time in the shade, drink plenty of water and stop walking their dogs.

The year 2020 was the third warmest, fifth wettest and eighth sunniest year on record – the first ever to fall into the top 10 for all three variables.

Data published in the report The State Of The UK Climate 2020 revealed the average winter temperature for last year was 5.3C – 1.6C higher than the 1981 to 2010 average.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19476635.meteorologists-warning-us-expect-40c-summer-temperatures/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19476635.meteorologists-warning-us-expect-40c-summer-temperatures/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 03, 2021, 04:04:01 pm
The Met Office has issued a yellow warning of thunderstorms affecting North Wales on Friday, August 6.

The warning is in place from 10am until 11.59pm on Friday.

The Met Office expects heavy showers across much of the UK during that time, including in Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Gwynedd and the Isle of Anglesey.

These showers and thunderstorms will be slow-moving and may cause localised surface water impacts. Rainfall totals will vary considerably and not all locations will be affected by the heaviest downpours.

But there is potential for between 20 and 30mm of rain in a short space of time and, during the course of the day, there is a chance that some places could see as much as 80 to 100mm build up.

What to expect:   https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19487269.yellow-warning-thunderstorms-sent-north-wales/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19487269.yellow-warning-thunderstorms-sent-north-wales/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on August 03, 2021, 08:07:56 pm
I hope they're wrong.  Friday I'll be setting up a field for a Car Trial, the event running Saturday.  No shelter at all where it is.  Sorry, no spectators under Covid regulations so I won't say where.  Ideal would be a dry day and rain at night.

The weather forecast these days is totally confusing - one minute we are warned about heatwaves, the next thunderstorms and anythign in between - is it just a case of the Met Office giving us everything then for someone, somewhere they must be correct!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 04, 2021, 10:04:58 am
Predicting thunderstorms is something of a black art. But it does seem Friday will be, at the least, rather damp.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 04, 2021, 10:09:15 am
I think it comes under........Sods law............... best of luck, have a good day.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on September 28, 2021, 03:04:06 pm
New flood maps reveal parts of North Wales most at risk of sea levels rising and river flooding
Developers in Wales will have to take into account future flooding and coastal erosion risk caused by climate change

New maps show just how climate change could affect flooding and sea levels in North Wales.

The latest maps released by the Welsh Government and Natural Resources Wales highlight the threat to communities across the nation as global warming impacts sea levels and the weather.

They also compel developers to take into account future flooding and coastal erosion risk.

In Wales, 245,000 homes in Wales are at risk of flooding and there will be an increase in river flows with higher rainfall (especially in winter).

These maps will be updated every six months and currently show that 11.3% of Wales is at risk of flooding from the sea. This is up from 9.86% last time.

But the images do not take into account future flood defences and reflect the situation on the ground currently.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-flood-maps-reveal-parts-21696055 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-flood-maps-reveal-parts-21696055)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 01, 2021, 10:00:56 am
Maybe time to put away the garden furniture...........

The UK could be hit by snow in a matter of weeks, the Met Office has predicted.
The weather across the UK continues to get worse with heavy rain and colder temperatures.
But it could be set to get even colder with meteorologists warning many areas of the UK could be his by snow in the next few weeks.

Forecasters predicts snow will fall “as October falls into November” meaning we could see a white Halloween.

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19618036.met-office-issue-uk-snow-warning-share-exact-dates-october/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19618036.met-office-issue-uk-snow-warning-share-exact-dates-october/)


Forecasters warn of gale-force winds and torrential rain as temperatures tumble
Stormy conditions are set to make those warm summer days a distant memory

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/forecasters-warn-gale-force-winds-21729552 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/forecasters-warn-gale-force-winds-21729552)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 26, 2021, 01:35:22 pm
A two day rain warning has been issued for North Wales.      ref DP

The Met Office yellow alert starts at midnight on Wednesday and ends midnight on Friday, covering Anglesey, Gwynedd and Conwy and other parts of mid and South Wales.

Weather forecasters said Snowdonia in particular could be hit by the downpours.

A Met Office statement said: "Outbreaks of heavy rain are expected to become persistent for periods causing impacts during Thursday and Friday.

"In general, 40-60 mm is expected within the warning area but 100-120 mm is likely over high ground with as much as 160 mm over Snowdonia."
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 29, 2021, 01:09:58 pm
Weather LIVE updates as flooding and heavy rain hit North Wales for second day
Flood warnings are in place as downpours batter the region

Parts of Llandudno Junction affected badly

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-flooding-shuts-part-a55-21994181 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-flooding-shuts-part-a55-21994181)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on November 26, 2021, 11:01:14 pm
This Storm Arwen is pretty fierce in Colwyn Bay at the moment and the house is vibrating with the force of the gale force winds and the lights are flashing so I wouldn't be surprise if we have a power cut during the night.
Earlier this evening we had a horrendous hailstorm and the ground was white although that has since melted.     If it's so bad down here I wonder what it's like for Mull and Helig up there in Scotland

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-arwen-boat-capsizes-welsh-22292299 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-arwen-boat-capsizes-welsh-22292299)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59435965 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59435965)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Fester on November 27, 2021, 12:26:34 am
It’s pretty hellish up on The Orme tonight, I can tell you that!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: norman08 on November 27, 2021, 09:31:38 am
I'm glad I'm not the paper boy up there anymore Fester 💨💨 wouldn't fancy getting to Anglesey rd 😂😂
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on November 27, 2021, 10:04:47 am
There's a lot of damage to trees and buildings last night and two large trees were uprooted and landed on a bungalow near my house.    My neighbour's car was just four feet away from the trees when they crashed into the garden
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 27, 2021, 10:08:29 am
Bit hectic down at ground level, but I do sympathise with those higher up.... just a bit of a warning....we did have a problem, when the lights started flickering, we got our emergency torch/battery box out, which had not seen the light of day ! for some time, to find that batteries had been nicked for other things and not replaced, we were lucky the power stayed on, as we only managed to get a couple of small torches going with used batteries, guess what we are getting today.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Helig on November 27, 2021, 10:23:07 am
It was a violent night up here last night. There is much damage, trees down, slates off and debris all over the place. The trains aren't running this morning as there is an obstruction on the line. Where I am is OK but people on higher ground had power cuts last night and are still off today. I have no phone signal and wonder if the mast has blown down. It was supposed to hit the east coast but it started up late yesterday morning and got progressively worse as the day went on. There is snow on the hills too.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 28, 2021, 09:59:28 am
Storm Arwen LIVE as large parts of North Wales still without power and roads blocked

some news on local damage.............. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-arwen-live-weather-updates-22290905?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-arwen-live-weather-updates-22290905?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)

tree just missing Happy valley cafe  and Colwyn prom
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on November 28, 2021, 12:10:05 pm
Hi Hugo, Friday night was rough up here as well, house was shaking and lights dipped a few times but the power stayed on. Well done the Hydro Electric boys.
We had 5 old fir trees on the western side of our garden and had them cut down last winter. Glad we did, I do not think they would have survived Friday night. Now got enough logs for several years.
Had to spend Saturday screwing down the metal roof on the side garage, it had started to peel back. I wonder how it had hung on and not headed off towards the south. I think the roof is on its last ,now starting to look like lace curtains. I am still warming up after spending the day out in that north wind.
Give my best wishes to Tellytubby, hope he is soon on the mend.
Sunday morning and it is bright sunshine up here , and calm. All ferries running again.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hammy on November 28, 2021, 04:19:32 pm
Lost power up here in parts of Bryn Pydew on Friday night at 11.30 pm and it was returned at 8.30 this morning, not fallen cables but tripped fuses in the pole mounted transformers! Biggest problem was actually trying to report the problems to SP Networks as they only seemed to be able to recognise the isuues  when the major outages were resolved. All good now though.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on November 28, 2021, 04:42:48 pm
Hi Mull,  it was the worst storm we have encountered in the 35 years we have been living up here and that's saying something.    When I used to walk my previous dog I met a guy who lived up here and hated the winds we have.  So much so that he sold his house and moved to Shropshire where it was not so exposed.     It turned out lucky for me as I needed a car and bought his old one, a Mitsubishi Col 6 yrars old and 15K on the clock!

I'll pass on your good wishes to Tellytubby who is still in hospital but he has had a comfortable day today but he's not out of the woods yet
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on November 28, 2021, 05:15:33 pm
Snow LIVE - Weather updates as drifts fall on M56 and parts of North Wales
Sections of Wrexham, New Broughton and Cheshire are all reporting light snowfall at this stage.  I believe that it is also snowing in Liverpool

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snow-live-weather-updates-drifts-22075105 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/snow-live-weather-updates-drifts-22075105)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: snowcap on November 29, 2021, 03:10:21 pm
You were quite right Hugo we had snow here in StHelens just a dusting that has stuck and is still around today
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on November 29, 2021, 05:06:59 pm
Hope that it didn't cause you any problems Snowcap.          I'm pleased that it wasn't snowing on Saturday at Anfield though     $hands$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on November 29, 2021, 10:47:31 pm
Yes, it did snow Sunday afternoon in Liverpool  but didn't stick as too wet.  Grandson disappointed as he wanted me to help him build a snowman!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on November 30, 2021, 11:59:46 am
I saw Bodnant Gardens on the news yesterday and it showed the Giant Redwood tree that has blown over, what a shame as it was quite spectacular.
A neighbour of mine had left a marquee in the garden and after Storm Arwen abated the frame was still in the garden but the canvas had blown away and was heading south towards Bodnant
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on November 30, 2021, 03:09:09 pm
I think the giant redwood is the one at the edge of the river, near the mill.  It was thought to be (have been) the tallest tree in the garden.  About 50 trees have come down so lots of work for the next few months, just as all the winter preparations were starting.  I am there tomorrow and Thursday so will see for myself, but it will be very upsetting to see the devastation caused by the storm.

I'll keep an eye open for the canvas!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Helig on December 01, 2021, 12:20:28 pm
There are people up here still without power and water. They were cut off on Friday night and have been told they won't get reconnected until later today (Wednesday) at the earliest. Scottish Power offered to put them up in an hotel but some people have dogs and thought it might be tricky. There are many trees down all over the place. Some of them are large and have stood there for a long time by the look of it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 05, 2021, 02:53:33 pm
Storm Barra: Wales weather warning for 70mph winds.     My neighbours lost three large trees as a result of the last Storm Arwen and they were just removed today.     I hope that this coming storm doesn't do any more damage


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59540281 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59540281)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on December 05, 2021, 06:50:47 pm
My goodness. Was his roof ok?
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 05, 2021, 07:08:14 pm
Storm Barra is moving in on Tuesday. Possible winds of 90mph, so not much fun.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 05, 2021, 10:56:42 pm
My goodness. Was his roof ok?

I'll know tomorrow when I go past his house but his next door neighbour escaped with just a little damage
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 06, 2021, 11:16:22 am
I walked past the house when I was out walking our dog Teddy today and noticed that there appeared to be only slight damage to the property.  A small section of roof tiles were affected.     The owner was very lucky indeed that no structural damage had been done
We got drenched on the walk but the wind seems to have died down. for now anyway!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 06, 2021, 12:35:45 pm
The good news is that the storm centre itself looks as  though it's going to pass directly across us (https://www.ventusky.com/?p=53.34;-3.93;7&l=pressure&t=20211207/2200) Wednesday morning, so it should be very calm the day after the storm, although it will actually still  be pretty intense outside of the core. S Wales looks as though it's going to bear the brunt of the storm, now.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 07, 2021, 09:38:20 am
Calls for urgent action after section of promenade is demolished by rough seas                                 ref DP
Llanfairfechan's coastal walkway was unable to withstand the weekend's storm surge despite recent repairs
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on December 07, 2021, 04:39:49 pm
Seems rather busy off the east coast of Anglesey!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 08, 2021, 11:43:48 pm
Storm Barra has made Barmouth look like the West Shore Llandudno



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/images-show-devastation-storm-barra-22407126 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/images-show-devastation-storm-barra-22407126)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate.........Two bitter winters
Post by: SteveH on December 12, 2021, 03:27:29 pm
Two bitter winters which saw rivers freeze and snow fall for 36 hours solid                                       
Two winters 20 years apart saw blizzards, power lines brought down and beaches turn to ice

In North Wales, it's fair to say we've seen our fair share of cold winters over the years.

The winter of 1962-63 was the coldest in the UK for more than 200 years and is sometimes remembered as the Big Freeze.

Temperatures dropped to -20C bringing with it blizzards and snow drifts, driven by gale force winds. Roads and railways were blocked while power lines were brought down and villagers stranded.

Lakes and rivers froze and huge blocks of ice appeared on beaches. It was even reported that in Penarth, Glamorganshire, the sea actually froze solid.

Another particularly cold spell came two decades later, during the winter of 1981-82. In January of 1982, snow fell solidly on Wales for 36 hours, leaving entire front doors submerged, cars buried and livestock decimated.

Snow ploughs were brought in to clear a large drift in Conwy as residents struggled to get to the shops in Rhos on Sea.

More recently, a cold snap in 2010 saw temperatures plummeting to -10C in places, with snowy conditions lasting through most of December.

But as well as disruption and hardship a particularly bitter winter can bring, some snowfall - especially around this time of year - can completely transform the landscape and provide fun for families.

20 photographs pulled from our archives below show how people in North Wales have coped through decades of freezing winters.

Gallery .........https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/gallery/two-bitter-winters-saw-rivers-22424850 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/gallery/two-bitter-winters-saw-rivers-22424850)

One for DVT ....."Snow was an unexpected hazard for the Cambrian Rally, on the Great Orme's Marine Drive. Photo taken Llandudno 1979"
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: snowcap on December 12, 2021, 06:44:23 pm
we got married in February 1963 and as you said it was one of the coldest on record, we slid down the path to the church and the Photographer wouldn't take photo's of the guests as it was to cold to stand around. That's one year we'll never forget
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on December 12, 2021, 07:46:40 pm
That guy puzzling over the Cambrian Route is ... Me !!!

I was clerk-of-the-course that year (1979) ... all the snow fell on Friday night and the first car should have left the start at Red Garages at 9am Saturday.   The forest roads were all blocked.  At 9.30 I announced that the event was cancelled.  The pubs in Llandudno did well that day!

That pic seems to crop up every ten years or so in Daily Post or Weekly News ... it was taken by a friend of mine who came with me just after we'd cancelled to see what it was like round the Marine Drive.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 13, 2021, 09:54:33 am
I did wonder................. $good$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 26, 2021, 04:57:09 pm
Snow in Wales: Remembering 1981's white Christmas

I lived in Dyserth at the time and the village was cut off by the snow.   No buses were running then so Mrs H and I had to walk from Dyserth to Rhuddlan to catch a bus to get us to work.
In fact my car was in the garage for ten days before I could drive it on to the road and that was only because my next door neighbour was a farmer and used a snow plough to dig a passage through the snow drift.     Even then I had to drive on about a foot of snow to get to the road in front of my house

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59757127 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59757127)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 04, 2022, 02:47:04 pm
Met Office warns snow set to arrive in North Wales as temperatures plunge
Wintry weather is set to arrive in the region on Tuesday evening
   
It's very cold outside at the moment and the biting North wind is making things even colder.  So far we have only had a brief sleet shower but I can see the bad weather coming in across the rough  looking sea.    Hopefully we will avoid the worst of the predicted weather


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/met-office-warns-snow-set-22639184 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/met-office-warns-snow-set-22639184)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2022, 01:06:41 pm
LOOK: Nostalgic pictures show snowy North Wales weather from decades past

I'm old enough to remember some of those bad Winters and remember that 1962/63 was a particularly cold one

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/gallery/look-nostalgic-pictures-show-snowy-8047741 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/gallery/look-nostalgic-pictures-show-snowy-8047741)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 17, 2022, 12:20:16 pm
Aurora Borealis Over the Great Orme, Llandudno

Llandudno Great Orme Friday the 14th January 2022 the Sky came alive with waves of lights dancing in the night sky and witnessed by thousands of  photographers as far as South of the UK.

video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYoaHZaOlM&t=35s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYoaHZaOlM&t=35s)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 18, 2022, 10:18:57 am
Met Office gives verdict on 'snowbomb' forecast to hit UK in late January
The forecasting service has published its long-range weather predictions up to the middle of February

A “snowbomb” has been forecast to drop more than ten inches of snow across the UK in late January - but the Met Office has said any unsettled weather is likely to be more localised.

Some meteorologists are predicting heavy snow nationwide on Friday, January 28, thanks to incoming Arctic winds.

But the Met Office said any changeable weather is set to be “predominantly” in the north and northwest of Britain – and will probably consist of rain, not snow, reports WalesOnline.

For the coming week, weather analysts say we will need to wrap up warm as temperatures plunge below zero overnight in Wales.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-gives-verdict-snowbomb-22782586 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-gives-verdict-snowbomb-22782586)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 27, 2022, 10:22:07 am
The Met Office has hinted parts of the UK could see snow as early as next week ‘arctic air’ approaches.

“Snow showers” are expected in February as “wintry downpours” move down from the north and as far south as central England and the capital.

Meteorologists suggest we could see snowfall in the UK as temperatures plummet in the final month of winter with a hint of snow between February 1 and February 8.

Forecaster James Madden told the Express: “We are expecting to see some changes as we head into the final month of the winter.

“Cold and snow will encroach from the north during the early part of February, and some of these wintry downpours may reach as far south as central England and the capital."

Clare Nasir, a forecaster for the Met Office, added: “There will be Arctic air streaming down from the north delivering snow showers, particularly in the far north-east of the country.”

cont  https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19878442.uk-weather-met-office-share-snow-update-february-arctic-air-approaches/ (https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/19878442.uk-weather-met-office-share-snow-update-february-arctic-air-approaches/)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 27, 2022, 05:05:13 pm
That's comforting Steve!          &shake&

I had an astronomical fuel bill in November and am just getting over it.      I'll have to wear my Winter walking gear inside the house next week
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 27, 2022, 05:30:26 pm
That's comforting Steve!          &shake&

I had an astronomical fuel bill in November and am just getting over it.      I'll have to wear my Winter walking gear inside the house next week
Us too, we were sitting pretty with a large credit, so we thought, totally wiped out
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 27, 2022, 05:48:05 pm
We also had a large credit of about £230.00 going in to November but we spent most of the time in the sunlounge.   Underfloor electric heating and two electric fires for a lot of the time took the electric bill to £290.00 plus £70.00 for the gas.     
Never again, we won't stay there in the Winter months again
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 28, 2022, 03:44:19 pm
A weather alert has been issued for North Wales as Storm Malik approaches this weekend.

High winds are expected to strike the region, with gusts of up to 80mph expected in parts, as the storm hits.

The Met Office has issued a yellow wind weather warning for North Wales, coming into effect at 6pm on Sunday, until midday on Monday.

It covers Anglesey, Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire and Flintshire, with the public warned the high winds could pose a "danger to life" near the coast.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-malik-sparks-danger-life-22905853 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-malik-sparks-danger-life-22905853)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 28, 2022, 05:16:52 pm
The strongest winds will be coming from the NW, so the coast is going to be hit badly, I suspect.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on February 12, 2022, 11:02:19 am
Calmac Ferry skippers are saying the stormy weather giving rise to ongoing heavy swell conditions is worse this winter than for many years.
Our nearby island , Tiree, has gone for days without a service, so much they have had to ration food and fuel. On several occasions the ferry has sailed out to the island and been unable to berth safely, having to return back to Oban. Around trip of 6/7 hours and you are back were you started.

https://lifeontiree.com/2022/02/10/relief-arrives/
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 12, 2022, 11:16:30 am
Thanks M.  for that very interesting article.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 13, 2022, 09:35:35 am
We in Wales have no idea really of the challenges the Scottish Islanders have to face all year round but especially in Winter with the bad weather.     The quality of life up there must be incredible but there are drawbacks too
Mull and his dog Fly have been part of the Mountain search and rescue team for years and go out often in extremely bad and hazardous weather conditions so full credit to all those dedicated volunteers who give up their time and effort to help others.     
 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on February 13, 2022, 11:35:29 am
 Hi Hugo, No more Mountain Rescue or SARDA. I am now "over the hill", although at only 9 years Fly is still OK for a while yet.

Tiree - Happened again on Saturday Lord of the Isles sailed out from Oban but was unable to berth due the heavy swell ,and returned to Oban. Trying again Sunday morning leaving at 0615, hope they will be succeed, wind has dropped to almost calm but I have no doubt swell be still running.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 18, 2022, 10:50:19 am
Hi Hugo, No more Mountain Rescue or SARDA. I am now "over the hill", although at only 9 years Fly is still OK for a while yet.

I don't believe that for one minute Mull, you're as fit as a fiddle and there's no way on earth me or my walking mates could keep up with you even now.      I used to huff and puff when I went up mountains so there is no way I could do what you have done for so many years.      Good on you Mull for all the hard work you have done and all the people you have helped over the years.
Enjoy your retirement from SARDA and I'm sure that you'll have plenty to do up there on that beautiful Island.     I hope that your garage survives Storm Eunice

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on February 18, 2022, 10:52:22 am
The full list of storm names for 2022 and how they are chosen
The Met Office has a system in place for naming storms since 2015 and here's the process that is carried out


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-storm-names-2022-23125292 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/full-list-storm-names-2022-23125292)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 23, 2022, 09:54:06 am
Charts show where snow is predicted to fall in Wales on Thursday but forecasters say it remains uncertain

Wales could see up to 2cm of snow falling per hour later this week in some parts of the country as the temperature drops but the outlook remains uncertain.

The latest weather graphs by WXcharts show that higher ground in the north of the country could see the heaviest snowfall, although according to the charts a large part of the country could see a dusting.

The graph does however show that heavy rainfall is expected on either side of the snow forecasts, and with temperatures set to be above freezing, it is not certain how much will settle and varying models used by forecasters show different outlooks.

CHARTS / cont   https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/snow-predicted-fall-wales-thursday-23178558?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4 (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/snow-predicted-fall-wales-thursday-23178558?IYA-mail=a05105fc-304d-4c50-9807-edab51f779a4)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on February 24, 2022, 12:06:38 pm
Going through some papers I discovered the attached,  Dated September 9 1974, Daily Post.

We did get rough weather back then the difference being the ferries kept sailing.
Happy memories of going down the pier in the evening to watch the Isle of Mann ferry arriving.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2022, 03:08:25 pm
Met Office has say on the chances of a 'snow bomb' in the UK next week
The long range forecast is predicting a cold spell this month

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-say-chances-snow-23263169 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-say-chances-snow-23263169)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 06, 2022, 03:00:59 pm
Winds of up to 70mph (113km / hr) could cause disruption across parts of Wales later.

The Met Office warning said it could affect power supplies and travel from 20:00 BST.

Winds of 60mph (97km / hr) are widely expected inland with 70mph around the coast.

The yellow warning covers Anglesey, Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire and Gwynedd until 05:00 on Thursday.

"Some short term loss of power and other services is possible in a few locations," the Met Office said.

"Winds will ease somewhat by daybreak, and then more markedly during the morning."

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61000673 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61000673)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on April 08, 2022, 10:01:08 am
The weather forecast was certainly true in Colwyn Heights, in the middle of the night the wind was howling and the garden furniture was blowing over.  I went downstairs and put all the furniture down so as to avoid any damage to it.     The garden furniture has been down for most of the Winter months due to the numerous storms we have been having and it's just ironic that it was this week when I put the furniture back again
It was bin day up here on Thursday and rubbish was scattered all over the place, my neighbour's bins were 100 yards away and the rubbish was all over the place.   We had kept our bins in the garage overnight thank goodness
I've lived here long enough to see that the winds have become more frequent and stronger over the years and will propably get worse in the future.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 08, 2022, 10:25:56 am
Blew the doors off the summer house, great fun trying to prop them in place at midnight, and glad to say it worked, now we need the handyman again.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 12, 2022, 10:10:41 am
Rare amber warning of 'extreme heat' issued as hot weather is set to continue
The temperatures are set to soar again this weekend, according to a Met Office warning

Be careful   Be prepared
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 14, 2022, 12:40:57 pm
The weather has been really hot here for a few days but I'm still not going to open the windows in the house!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on July 14, 2022, 06:40:09 pm
Things have been better re bonfires here recently. Enough with 7 months of workmen, one batch foul mouthed, all noisy and many smoke whilst working next door !!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 15, 2022, 09:54:03 am
Things have been better re bonfires here recently. Enough with 7 months of workmen, one batch foul mouthed, all noisy and many smoke whilst working next door !!

SSSSHHHhhhhhhhhh there is still time .................. &shake&
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 15, 2022, 10:12:43 am
Just a quickie, folks: as many know I'm a keen amateur meteorologist, and the news for this weekend and beyond isn't comforting.

It starts on Saturday, when a gentle warming takes hold. By Sunday it's getting very warm and this intensifies so that by Tuesday we're looking at temps in the mid-90sF. Although this isn't unheard of, those who aren't used to these sorts of temperatures might find the going gets tough.

Top tips:

Stay inside between 11 and 3.
Drink a lot of fluids, excluding alcohol.
Avoid strenuous exercise.
Open all your upstairs windows at night.
Keep curtains closed to shield from direct sunlight.

Continuous heat can adversely affect those with asthma, so keep inhalers handy.

The best advanced forecast is Ventusky (https://www.ventusky.com/?p=53.34;-3.92;7&l=temperature-2m).
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on July 15, 2022, 06:21:03 pm


SSSSHHHhhhhhhhhh there is still time .................. &shake&

Let us pray !!!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 16, 2022, 10:00:25 am
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SSSSHHHhhhhhhhhh there is still time .................. &shake&

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Let us pray ! ! !


Amen..............No more holy smoke  ;)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 16, 2022, 10:32:20 am
It's now looking like we'll have a better Tuesday in heat terms than was originally threatened. It'll get uncomfortable Sunday and Monday for sure, but on Tuesday the hot air will start to move Eastwards, towards Manchester.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 16, 2022, 04:58:29 pm
... no rain Wednesday and Thursday please Ian - those are my Bodnant days!

OK for rain during darkness though, ideal for the plants.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 16, 2022, 06:32:02 pm
 8) 8) 8)

No rain in the forecast at all, yet.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 16, 2022, 08:59:12 pm
I know weather forecasts are unpredictable but being a forecaster must be the only job where you can be wrong so often yet stay in work ... possibly even beats the PM in that respect!

BBC forecast has 50% chance of rain all through Wednesday morning - at least it's not snowing - imagine having to shovel that up in this heat!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 17, 2022, 12:56:00 pm
Nemesis, prayer did not work, we had the windows open on the cool side of the house, someone has started a very smokey BBQ hopefully it will settle down soon.  :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 17, 2022, 02:35:23 pm
I can never understand why, when we get hot sunny weather, people want to.have barbecues  ... who in their right mind wants to stand by a very hot grill frying their sausages? !!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 17, 2022, 03:11:18 pm
Defeats me, too.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on July 18, 2022, 08:30:59 am
Nemesis, prayer did not work, we had the windows open on the cool side of the house, someone has started a very smokey BBQ hopefully it will settle down soon.  :(

Same here, knew by the smell that it wasn't a bonfire, but it soon blew away.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 18, 2022, 09:50:29 am
We used to have a person living near us who had regular bonfires and she'd burn anything, cardboard, plastic, wood and food wrappings of which there was plenty of.    She wasn't known as Fat L for no reason.
These bonfires were massive smelly ones and would affect a large part of the road but no one complained
Anyway her next door neighbour had a bonfire for the first time and Fat L had the cheek to complain about it when we had to endure her bonfires on a weekly basis
Those thoughtless people can't take it when the same thing happens to them
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Nemesis on July 18, 2022, 03:51:49 pm
Know what you mean! My OH who has trouble walking was told in no uncertain terms that if he had a complaint he must walk all he way round to the next street and knock at the front door if he wanted to complain. ! Urggg! I was fuming. :-\
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SAJ on July 18, 2022, 04:33:53 pm
I?m hoping we are going to be smoke free this evening. Surely no one will want to be burning rubbish or burgers in this heat!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 18, 2022, 04:43:00 pm
The weather at the moment is energy sapping, yesterday it was hot but not as hot as today yet the temperature gauge on my friend's car yesterday said 38C
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 18, 2022, 04:56:11 pm
Showing 32?C on both my phone and computer here in Llandudno Junction, but the sun is hiding behind some cloud.  That's not quite 90?F but close!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SAJ on July 18, 2022, 05:11:52 pm
Please share that cloud DVT! At least we?ve been able to stay in the shade at home today. It was just a bit uncomfortable at the ODI at Old Trafford yesterday, although there was some cloud cover and plenty of drinking water points. If any sea breezes pick up, please waft them over towards Flintshire!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 18, 2022, 05:53:03 pm
Hawarden was the hottest today with 98.9 F (37.1), a little too close for comfort. Another hot one tomorrow, before it then falls off quite swiftly.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: DVT on July 18, 2022, 06:47:04 pm
Hot day today. They said it'd be 40 degrees in the shade. Good job I stayed out in the open.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SAJ on July 18, 2022, 08:45:20 pm
 DVT, you crack me up! Just like the runway at Luton Airport!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 19, 2022, 01:06:46 pm
Big gust of wind hit (us) Westshore about 12.30 like a mini cyclone, leaves flying everywhere, lots of clearing later........ not soon enough to save the ice cream van..............
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on July 19, 2022, 02:36:59 pm
ROFL!!!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on July 19, 2022, 05:52:50 pm
I had to go to Ysbyty Glan Clwyd today for a skin cancer check up and the inside of the Hospital was warm even though they have a climate control system in place.
While you are waiting to be seen you get a chance to observe what is going on around you.    The nursing staff were all wearing masks but only half of the patients waiting to be seen were wearing masks.    It doesn't have to be mandatory to wear masks, you wear the masks to protect the NHS staff and others including yourself
At least I only wore my mask for a short time unlike the NHS staff who have to wear them all day
When I left the hospital there were two disposable masks dumped on the floor and within 4 yards of a litter bin.   I despair when I see that type of thing.   Those liitter louts aka scum are glad to get treatment from the NHS but that is the respect that they give to the NHS staff
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on July 19, 2022, 08:19:07 pm
What a fuss over 2 days of hot weather.

1976 it went on for 6 weeks. We were living in Somerset at that time. Remember the Hose pipe bans and putting a brick in the toilet cistern to save water.

Why do the TV reporters have to hype everything up. No wonder there are a lot of mental problems these days.

We will back to normal before the weekend.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 20, 2022, 10:42:33 am
I remember 76 well, mostly because I took the family on our first holiday abroad, to Majorca, where it rained solid for a week.  :( 8)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 17, 2022, 10:02:18 am
North Wales weather forecast as freakish African plume to bring Indian summer ahead of Halloween
'Exceptionally-warm' air is heading towards Britain and it might herald gales !  for North Wales

Parts of Britain are set to experience freakishly-hot temperatures in the run-up to Halloween, forecasters believe. An ?African plume? of warm air will push temperatures up to 23C (73F) in the coming days - capping the country?s hottest ever year.

Meteorologists had forecast a cold spell on the horizon for the UK but a distorted jet stream will instead pave the way for an Indian summer, Southern Britain is more likely to experience the benefits with strong winds set to be a feature of this week?s weather in Wales.

The warm run is due to start on Monday and last for up to six days. Wednesday is predicted to be the hottest day at around 22C, though temperatures in Wales are forecast to be closer to 17C.

Meteorologists predict the mild conditions could last up to Halloween on October 31. Longer term, the Met Office believes a ?prolonged period of settled weather? is likely to develop in Wales in early November, bringing drier conditions.   ref DP
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 05, 2022, 10:22:56 am
Christmas isn't that far away now, which means temperatures will be continuing to drop over the coming weeks. The past week has been a cold one to put it mildly and that isn't going to be changing anytime soon.

The Met Office predicts 'much colder' weather will arrive this week, which will bring about overnight frosts and more fog. Despite the brisk weather, December will mark the end of 2022 and also the warmest year on record.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-predicts-north-wales-25671683
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate.....Coldest' in the UK
Post by: SteveH on December 12, 2022, 10:21:03 am
North Wales neighbourhoods named among the 'coldest' in the UK in energy crisis hotspot list
Low incomes coupled with low energy efficiency could spell disaster for families this winter

One of these communities - Old Colwyn & Llanddulas - made the unenviable top spot. The Conwy area ranked first in the regional sample of Wales, looking at the average energy efficiency levels among other factors.

In the data, the area had roughly 56% of homes deemed to have poor energy efficiency. Furthermore, around one in five (19%) of these properties were in the lowest EPC (Energy Performance Certificate) bands.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-neighbourhoods-named-among-25724786?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589


PS
Continuous  Live updates as temperatures drop to -3?C on North Wales coast

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23184749.live-updates-temperatures-drop--3-c-north-wales-coast/
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 17, 2022, 10:13:44 am
Snow and ice will continue to hit North Wales this weekend - before the big freeze finally draws to a close. Temperatures well below freezing, icy conditions on the roads and snow have been causing problems for more than a week.

And further spells of freezing weather, as well as up to 5cm of snow, are forecast for this weekend. The Met Office said change is finally on the horizon, however, with temperatures set to jump into double figures at the start of the week.

Today, an ice warning remains in place until 10.30am, with forecasters warning of icy patches on some untreated roads, pavements and cycle paths, and snow on higher ground. A second warning for ice then comes into force at 3am on Sunday, and remains in place until 2pm.

A Met Office spokesman said: "Widespread frozen surfaces ahead of a band of rain, sleet and snow, pushing northeast across the UK though Sunday, leads to a risk of icy conditions through the morning and early afternoon, before conditions turning much milder from the west. Any sleet or snow, at least to low levels, will likely only last an hour or two, before turning readily to rain, but this still onto frozen surfaces for a time.

"Temporary accumulations of 1-2cm to lower levels, and perhaps locally 3-5cm across the Welsh mountains, with any snow starting to melt readily from late morning. As this will melt rapidly, snowmelt may briefly add to the ice risk.

"In addition to the ice and snow risk, strong winds are expected, mainly over higher ground." People have been warned to expect injuries from slips and falls on icy surfaces, some icy patches on some untreated roads, pavements and cycle paths and a chance that road, air and rail services could be disrupted or delayed.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-warns-more-snow-25769146
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate .........Winter Solstice
Post by: SteveH on December 21, 2022, 10:20:49 am
The Winter Solstice is generally regarded as the shortest day in the calendar. Falling on December 21 every year, it takes place just as the short days and long nights reach their peaks.


Soon be Spring        {}{}
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 21, 2022, 03:55:02 pm
I went to Bryn Celli Ddu on Anglesey with two of my walking friends one day in June a few years ago.   As we walked around the Burial Chamber we noticed a man in there with long white hair and wearing a red coat.
My friends were too scared to go into the chamber but I went in as I had walked some way to see it.   As i went into the corridor a man in a long red gown and long white hair and a long beard beckoned me with his hands to enter the chamber which I did and inside were several women who did the same action
Obviously I had stumbled on to something and after looking around inside the chamber I went back to my car,   Parked near the car was a campervan with the message "Druids on board" and it had come all the way from Essex




https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/news-opinion/i-celebrated-winter-solstice-druids-25785757
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 24, 2022, 10:32:35 am
The not so Ugly House............... $welsh$
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 03, 2023, 10:16:48 am
From Russia with .......

Temperature are set to plummet across the UK in the coming weeks with forecasters warning that the Beast from the East could be making a comeback. Some forecasts predict a collapsing Polar vortex could trigger a major freeze this month akin to the epic storm from February 2018.

Such low temperatures could cause further difficulties as the country battles to cope with the cost of living crisis - with many still reluctant to turn on the heating. Meteorologists are reported to be keeping a close eye on a pool of cold air spinning over the North Pole which has the potential to spark a Sudden Stratospheric Warming event, also known as an SSW, the Mirror reports.

The Met Office has already issued a yellow weather warning for rain for parts of Scotland from 2pm on Tuesday (January 3) until 6am on Wednesday. However, North Wales seems to be avoiding any dramatic weather - for now.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-forecast-north-wales-25880180?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 08, 2023, 08:35:10 pm
North Wales readers remember Wales' big freeze when it was -22C
Huge ice boulders formed on beaches and blizzards caused snowdrifts up to 20ft deep

I hope that we don't have one like it in 2023 as I've just had my December energy bill   :o


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/north-wales-readers-remember-wales-25921873


Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 17, 2023, 10:26:24 am
Wales' schools shut and travel hit by snow and ice


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64290421
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 17, 2023, 10:28:02 am
The hour-by-hour guide to where it's going to snow in Wales on Tuesday and Wednesday
Bands of snow move repeatedly across the nation on Tuesday and Wednesday with lots of sunny spells

We've captured the periods of snowfall according to the maps from today until Friday. The colours shown on the maps correspond to the type of precipitation (rain is blue, snow is white and hail is orange) and the darker the colour the heavier that precipitation is - so white is light snow, and dark grey forecasts heavy snowfall.

maps  https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/hour-hour-guide-its-going-25995103?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate....When do the nights get lighter
Post by: SteveH on January 21, 2023, 10:12:50 am
For all SAD sufferers... https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/seasonal-affective-disorder-sad/overview/    I do not think I have this disorder, but I certainly go into hibernation and look forward to spring................

You know how it goes, you wake up in the dark, go to work, and by time it's hit 5pm, it's dark again.

And living life in the constant dark and dreary weather can be very draining. But don't worry, as each day is getting lighter from now until summer.

People around the UK will soon start to notice that the days are beginning to get noticeably brighter. The country has been seeing just over two minutes of extra light every day since the Winter Solstice on December 21.

From January 18 onwards the pace will increase and the UK will get an extra hour of daylight a month. However, it won't be until March that the sun starts setting after 6pm - but exactly what date that happens will depend on where you live.

Read more https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/when-do-the-nights-get-lighter-and-why-do-we-change-the-clocks/
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 31, 2023, 10:09:25 am
I am hoping Ian will tell us, they have got it wrong ......PLEASE

A 'frozen donut at the top of the world' is set to bring snow and a 3,000-mile circle of winds as the UK marches into another cold snap. The 'North Pole donut' is set to bring chills and snow to Britain in the coming weeks.

Cold air is set to seep south after the loop of polar vortex winds weakens this week, letting out bitter air trapped inside the Arctic Circle, the Daily Star reports. The Beast from the East in 2018 and the month-long "Deep Freeze" in 2010 were both caused by the same phenomenon.

Forecasters warn of snow flurries next weekend and beyond, with cold spells, freezing nights and frosts during February.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/frozen-donut-top-world-bring-26112810
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 31, 2023, 11:56:56 am
I am hoping Ian will tell us, they have got it wrong ......PLEASE

I doubt we'll see much in the way of snow. Low temps, of course, Colwyn Bay and Llandudno are both mainly protected from, but inland they could plummet. But this vortex has been threatening to break for some time.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 31, 2023, 03:30:11 pm
I am hoping Ian will tell us, they have got it wrong ......PLEASE

I doubt we'll see much in the way of snow. Low temps, of course, Colwyn Bay and Llandudno are both mainly protected from, but inland they could plummet. But this vortex has been threatening to break for some time.

Thanks for that, I will keep my fingers crossed, we have not done to bad so far, hopeful it will not get to cold for those inland, not forgetting those high up, look out Hugo ! !
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on February 01, 2023, 10:57:22 am
I forgot to mention another salient point, which is that we're currently moving away from the sun (in summer we're two million miles further away than in winter) but our inclination towards the sun is increasing, so the weather will inextricably warm.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 01, 2023, 11:04:18 am
I forgot to mention another salient point, which is that we're currently moving away from the sun (in summer we're two million miles further away than in winter) but our inclination towards the sun is increasing, so the weather will inextricably warm.

I had to look this up, very surprising......... During part of the year, Earth is closer to the Sun than at other times. However, in the Northern Hemisphere, we are having winter when Earth is closest to the Sun and summer when it is farthest away!

But,I have always been inclined towards the sun    8)
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate.....Pollution warning
Post by: SteveH on February 15, 2023, 10:21:58 am
Hopefully not as extreme as the photo, but be careful if you have breathing difficulties....

Saharan dust cloud set to bring 'colourful sunsets' to North Wales
The plume of dust is set to arrive in the region today

A plume of Saharan dust is expected to pass over North Wales this week. People in the region may be treated to some spectacular sunsets - but may also need to get the car washed - when the rare phenomenon sweeps through.

North Wales Storm Watch posted on their Facebook site yesterday: "A plume of red dust is heading our way, arriving tomorrow and lasting into Wednesday with some rain. This could produce some very colourful sunsets..."

Saharan dust is expected to reach the country later today and hang around until Wednesday 15. Saharan dust is relatively common in the UK, often happening several times a year when big dust storms in the Sahara coincide with southerly wind patterns.

In certain weather situations, Saharan dust can also affect air pollution and pollution levels. As in other parts of the world, the wind can blow strongly over deserts - whipping up dust and sand high into the sky, the Met Office say.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/saharan-dust-cloud-set-bring-26234267
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 24, 2023, 10:22:20 am
ALTHOUGH it is starting to feel more spring-like, wintry weather is set to return in the coming weeks with snow forecast for Conwy.

Weather forecaster, WX Charts, is predicting snowfall in the region, with the heaviest snow at the beginning of March.

It comes after the Met Office warned a major Sudden Stratospheric Warming (SSW) is likely to happen in the next couple of weeks.

WX Charts, which is part of MetDesk, is forecasting that a blanket of snow of up to 10cm could fall per hour during Saturday, 11 March.

Lower levels of snow are due from Sunday, 5 March, with the heaviest snowfall to be seen in Flintshire, Conwy and Denbighshire from Thursday, 9 March onwards.   ref pioneer
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate....Northern Lights
Post by: SteveH on February 27, 2023, 10:12:27 am
Northern Lights 'likely' to be seen again tonight after stunning display in Wales, England, Ireland and Scotland
'Ideally, the lights will be best viewed away from any light pollution, in remote areas, facing the northern horizon'

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/northern-lights-likely-seen-again-26337983
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 02, 2023, 10:28:19 am
Maps show where snow is set to fall in North Wales as Arctic blast expected
Wintry conditions are set to arrive by the weekend

Weather maps show parts of Wales could be hit by spells of snow and freezing temperatures during March. Up to 11cms of snow could fall in parts of Wales in mid-March.

Only a few coastal areas such as Anglesey are forecast to avoid the white stuff. Maps show that snow is set to fall on Sunday evening and Monday evening.

More spells of snow are then possible on March 11 and March 12. A bitter frost has been sweeping the country as of late despite February coming to an end, with the Met Office recording temperatures of -7.9C in Altnaharra, Scotland on Sunday.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/maps-show-snow-set-fall-26360268
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 08, 2023, 11:53:49 am
I suspect we could see snow tomorrow and Friday.  Still a lot of uncertainty (when is there not?) but the snow will arrive in the early hours of Thursday and is currently expected to drop around 4cm per hour over the subsequent five or six hours.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 08, 2023, 02:50:12 pm
Well it has already started snowing here on Colwyn Heights Ian.  It's just a steady fall of small snow flakes but it doesn't seem to be sticking  yet!
We'll see what happens overnight
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 09, 2023, 08:41:25 am
It's still snowing up here on Colwyn Heights.    It's also bin day today and the bin lorry arrived on time so full credit to those bin men who work in all types of weather conditions
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: norman08 on March 09, 2023, 09:27:06 am
Morning Hugo snow looks good up there. Yes my grandson is off school. Covering in llanrhos.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 09, 2023, 09:54:36 am
Light covering in Llandudno, but very wet and windy blowing from North Shore for a change............

The DP piece below, showing Colwyn Bay with heavy snow all morning .......

North Wales hour by hour snow forecast as second day of winter weather bites
Met Office maps predict where there snow is set to fall and when there could be rain

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-hour-hour-snow-26425325?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on March 09, 2023, 10:26:28 am
The alert status was upgraded to Amber...at 0830 this morning.  Not a lot of use for forward planning, then.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 09, 2023, 10:26:52 am
Morning Hugo snow looks good up there. Yes my grandson is off school. Covering in llanrhos.

I walked down Wentworth Avenue earlier and went past the school to the shops.   The snow was quite deep there and few vehicles were able to get up the slope from Troon Way.    It's still snowing now so the school will probably be closed tomorrow too
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 10, 2023, 10:41:19 am
After days of snow and ice, Storm Larisa brings blizzards to UK
The storm has been named because of the danger it poses with high winds and heavy rain

Storm Larisa is set to batter parts of the the UK with gales and blizzards overnight on Friday. The Met Office has issued three amber warnings for northern England, the Midlands, North Wales and Northern Ireland, where ?significant disruption? to transport and power supplies is expected.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/after-days-snow-ice-storm-26436113?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589


Met Office issues ice alert for North Wales
The latest warning came into force this morning on the back of three days of heavy snow

The Met Office has issued a weather warning for ice, as snow continues to cause major disruption across the region again today, shutting schools and closing roads. The yellow alert came into force at 9.30am today and lasts until 10am tomorrow (Saturday), covering Wrexham, Flintshire, Denbighshire, Conwy and Gwynedd.

Ice is likely to form where snow has fallen, the national weather agency said. A Met Office forecast said: "Whilst falling snow will clear from the south and east of the warning area in the next few hours, lying snow and ice will likely continue to be a hazard through the rest of this morning.
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-ice-alert-26437445#source=breaking-news
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 10, 2023, 12:37:10 pm
Capel Curig records deepest snow in UK as North Wales battered for third day
Schools shut, roads closed with multiple crashes as rail and bus services cancelled





https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/capel-curig-records-deepest-snow-26438198
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on March 10, 2023, 11:04:12 pm
Just had the most spectacular day.
Left home at 0600 then on 0720 ferry from Fishnish, drove accross Morven to Corran ferry, then on to Fort William.

Weather very cold all day, although crystal clear all the way. It really was a spectacular drive in both directions. Been living here 27 years now but I don't think I have ever seen it so clear all day.

Hope all you folks in North Wales are keeping warm and coping with the snow.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 11, 2023, 10:49:38 am
That sounds like one of those once in a life experiences and I'm so pleased that it happened for you.   Living so far up north, do you ever
get to see the Northern Lights?    That must be a wonderful experience too

My drive is covered in about 6 inches of snow and this is the third day I've been snowed in.     It's sunny at the moment so I'll just have a coffee first and then start clearing the snow away
Hope that you are all safe and warm up there on the island
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 11, 2023, 02:20:11 pm
I've just spent over an hour cleaning the snow off the drive and then came in for lunch, but it's started snowing heavily again.   Ah well, that's a job for me to do tomorrow       
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on March 12, 2023, 11:15:14 am
Noticed on the West Shore webcam yesterday all the snow behind Conway and Penmaenmawr, looked cold.

Up here it has been calm, clear and cold for about the past 10 days, heavy overnight frosts. No snow up here yet this winter, just an occasional flurry.
 Started an outside job with great gusto moving stone and gravel, rearranging the garden to Mrs Mull's directions. After a couple of days injured my shoulder/neck and had stop for 3 days to let it recover.
Finished the job on Thursday and we decided to have a day out in Fort William on Friday before the weather went downhill.
Saturday started bright but by teatime it was starting to rain, with a cold SE gale. This morning still blowing hard and raining.

We have seen the Northern Lights up here but missed the show last Sunday night, We were sat watching the TV and only found out about it Monday morning. A display was expected on Monday night but it turned out cloudy here.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 23, 2023, 10:32:49 am
Dwr Cymru has say on drought fears following 'very dry' February
Only 22% of the average rainfall fell last month, sparking concerns

Dwr Cymru, which supplies drinking water to large parts of North Wales, said its reservoirs are in a good position.

It did urge people to be careful about how they use water. A spokesperson for the water company said: ?Despite a very dry February with only 22% of the average rainfall across our operating area there has been a lot of rain so far in March and forecasters are predicting more wet weather to come.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/dwr-cymru-say-drought-fears-26532497?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589


Met Office issues flood warnings for North Wales with more heavy rain on the way
One alert stretches across a large part of the region's coast  for 22nd mar.

Thursday:
Remaining windy on Thursday with sunny intervals and further scattered showers, heavy and perhaps thundery. Staying mild. Maximum temperature 14 ?C.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-flood-warnings-26528921?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on March 24, 2023, 10:32:01 am
WATCH: Aurora caught in stunning time-lapse over Llandudno!

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23409264.watch-aurora-caught-stunning-time-lapse-llandudno/
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 10, 2023, 10:15:58 am
Have to put the new garden furniture back in the garage  :(  I think the worst is further south.    Ian ?

Wales weather warning for 60mph wind gusts from Tuesday

Wind gusts of 60mph (96 km/hr) could cause disruption across Wales this week.

The Met Office alert comes into force from 15:00 BST on Tuesday and is expected to last until 06:00 on Wednesday for most for the country.

However, it could cause disruption until midnight on Wednesday for parts of west and south Wales.

Gusts of up to 50 mph (80 km/hr) are possible inland with in excess of 60mph around coastal areas, it has said.

Falling tree narrowly misses woman in beer garden
The weather warning said some delays to road, rail, air and ferry transport are likely.

Some short term loss of power and other services is also possible.

The wind warning for all day on Wednesday covers Bridgend, Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion, Neath Port Talbot, Pembrokeshire, Swansea and Vale of Glamorgan    ref BBC
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 10, 2023, 10:31:22 am
Have to put the new garden furniture back in the garage  :(  I think the worst is further south.    Ian ?

Might be.  It's a confused picture, not least because the jet stream is behaving oddly. But yes;  on balance I'd make sure there was nothing loose in the garden.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 10, 2023, 10:45:54 am
Thanks for that, and the good advice.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on April 10, 2023, 03:53:49 pm
My garden furniture has been put flat on the ground since December as the weather has been quite windy since then.   I'll only stand the furniture up when the weather is more settled
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 11, 2023, 10:16:06 am
Met Office warns of 'disruptive' weather as Storm Antoni heads towards North Wales
Official weather warnings may be issued when forecasters have a clear idea of the storm's strength and track

The Met Office said conditions will become more unsettled from late Sunday and a more sustained period of wet and windy weather is ?likely? from Tuesday and into Wednesday. Irish forecaster has advised the public of the potential for ?impactful conditions? as the season?s first named storm - Storm Antoni ? heads west from the Atlantic.

Weather maps etc.   https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-warns-disruptive-weather-26658647?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589#:~:text=The%20Met%20Office,from%20the%20Atlantic.

PS
When and where strongest winds will hit as stormy weather arrives in North Wales
The region is under a yellow alert with forecasters warning of possible travel disruption and power cuts

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/strongest-winds-hit-stormy-weather-26669741
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 11, 2023, 12:18:22 pm
The pressure has bottomed out at around 975; other than that, however, it's very tricky to know how and when the conditions will change.

Edit: the yellow alert has been renamed, reduced in scale now seems only to affect the N Wales coast with reduced intensity.  Scotland will be hit the hardest.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on April 12, 2023, 11:08:41 am
Storm Noa LIVE: Snow arrives in North Wales with strong winds on the way
More bad weather is causing disruption across Wales

Snow has hit parts of North Wales today with gale force winds expected later, as Storm Noa sweeps into the UK. Several parts of the region have already seen snow and hail, with gusts of more than 45mph expected later in areas.

Storm Noa, named by the French meteorological service, has caused serious traffic disruption across other areas of Wales, closing parts of the M4 and the old Severn Bridge. It comes after a yellow weather warning for wind was in force for North Wales over Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning.

This is a breaking news story. We will bring you all the latest as we get it.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-noa-live-snow-arrives-26678814#source=breaking-news

Photo Snow in Bwlchwyn, near Wrexham, as Storm Noa hits the UK (Image: Richard Thomas)

PS
A meteorologist has predicted that temperatures might be set to rise later this month as Spring truly springs back to normality and brings with it some warmer days. The UK might even get its first "heatwave" of 2023, according to a senior forecaster.

Experts have previously told how the UK could be set for its first "soft heatwave" of the year, with temperatures set to reach 25C in some parts. Jim Dale, a senior meteorologist at British Weather Services said temperatures could rise from around April 15. ref DP
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on April 12, 2023, 02:08:09 pm
I've been removing a dead Clematis from the roof of my shed and yesterday when I finished removing it the roofing felt came off with it.
As soon as I could today I went to B & Q for more roofing felt but this morning we had heavy sleet and early this afternoon the rain was torrential and it looks like the reroofing of the felt will have to wait until Saturday!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on April 12, 2023, 02:52:41 pm
Air pressure at the moment is 965. Unheard of in my experience.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate..."Thunderstorms and torrential downpours
Post by: SteveH on June 12, 2023, 09:56:46 am
The Met Office has put the warning in place from 12noon to 9pm tomorrow.

A spokesman explained: "Thunderstorms and torrential downpours are expected to break out across central England and Wales during Monday.

"These will be slow moving and intense leading to some large accumulations with in excess of 30 mm in an hour for some locations and the potential for 60-80 mm or more in a few hours where thunderstorms align for a time.
"Frequent lightning and hail are likely to be additional hazards."

The warning is in place for Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Gwynedd and Wrexham.  ref pioneer
 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 03, 2023, 10:10:19 am
In the future I wonder how much water will cost, will the government have to step in again?


The UK's hottest June on record caused unprecedented deaths of fish in rivers and disturbed insects and plants, environment groups have warned.

Nature is being "pounded by extreme weather without a chance to recover", the Wildlife Trusts said.

The Met Office will say later on Monday if the high temperatures were linked to climate change.

People also used more water with demand increasing by 25% at peak times in some areas, said Water UK.

The Met Office said last week that provisional figures for June indicate that both the overall average and the average maximum temperatures were the highest on record.

"The reports of the number of fish death incidents in rivers for this time of year has been unprecedented. I would normally expect rivers to be affected later in the summer when it's hotter and drier," Mark Owen, from the Angling Trust, told BBC News.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66042272
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 14, 2023, 10:43:49 am
The Met Office hour by hour weekend forecast as yellow weather warning brings 12 hours of torrential rain, high winds, thunder and lightning
It is going to be unusually windy for the time of year

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/met-office-hour-hour-weekend-27318925?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 16, 2023, 10:16:20 am
The list of things for governments to ignore is getting bigger ?     :(

Stark weather warning issued as UK faces 'extremely high temperatures'
Major changes have to be made, and quickly, researchers have warned

Research conducted at the University of Oxford found, of countries with more than five million inhabitants in 2020, Switzerland and the UK would see their relative demand for people needing to cool down rise by 30%, as they would face a greater number of days with extremely high temperatures.

Next week Public Health Wales will publish a Health Impact Assessment on the health and wellbeing impacts of climate change across Wales. The assessment recognises that climate change is the greatest threat to health and wellbeing that Wales will face this century.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/stark-weather-warning-issued-uk-27328239
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on July 21, 2023, 09:58:00 am
The parts of North Wales in firing line this weekend as month's worth of rain could fall
Things are not looking good for the start of the school summer holidays

Weather forecasts suggest more than a month?s worth of rain could fall in 48 hours this weekend ? and areas of North Wales are likely to be hit hardest. The school summer holidays may be upon us but this weekend might not be the time to be heading to the mountains and coasts.

Up to 70mm of rain could fall across Saturday and Sunday as an area of low pressure barrels towards the UK. Parts of south Cumbria and, in particular, northwest Wales, are currently set to receive the biggest rainfalls.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/parts-north-wales-firing-line-27364618
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate.........'A sign of things to come'
Post by: SteveH on July 27, 2023, 10:15:01 am
Climate change: Last year's UK heatwave 'a sign of things to come'

The record-breaking UK heat experienced in 2022 will be regarded as a cool year by the end of this century, the Met Office says.

Its report shows that last year was "extraordinary", with a heatwave pushing the UK record over 40C for the first time.

Hot years like 2022 will be the average by 2060, if carbon emissions are as expected, the authors say.

By 2100, it would be a cooler-than-average year across the UK.

Climate change is having an increasing impact on all parts of the UK, playing a key role in pushing last year's temperatures to record highs.

While rain might be the dominant factor in the current UK climate, just a year ago the UK was suffering from a powerful heatwave that helped make 2022 the warmest year in records dating back to 1884, and also broke the Central England temperature series that goes back to 1659.

The UK's highest daily temperature last year was 40.3C, recorded at Coningsby in Lincolnshire, which beat the previous high mark by a large margin.

This was not an isolated incident, according to the Met Office, with persistent warmth prevalent across the year.

cont/stats  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66304220
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 01, 2023, 09:56:14 am
Forecasters predict 12 more days of rain with summer heatwave looking 'unlikely'
More settled conditions are not forecast to return until August 12

There have only been glimpses of sunny conditions during much of July, and people hoping to see a change to the weather may have to wait until the middle of next month. Until then, unsettled weather is set to continue, with rain possible for the next 12 days. There could even be thunderstorms in the region on Wednesday.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/forecasters-predict-12-more-days-27429452?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2023, 12:43:35 pm
Six severe weather warnings out for tomorrow. Lightning, high wind, torrential rain.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on August 01, 2023, 03:24:51 pm
For the past 2 weeks we have been on holiday in Porthcurno  Cornwall, same as previously, going back for a good number of years. We can say that the weather this year has been worse than we have ever had, very poor, plenty of rain, cool and little sun. Mostly cloudy and feels like autumn instead of summer.

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on August 02, 2023, 02:18:26 pm
It's a shame about the weather Mull but I hope it didn't spoil your holiday too much after your long journey to get there.   
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on August 03, 2023, 09:53:32 am
North Wales facing two months of summer rain with August heatwave 'unlikely '............................. :(
The omens don't look too good - but there is a tiny bit of hope for the end of the month

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-facing-two-months-27442597
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate,,,,,,LIVE - Storm Agnes
Post by: SteveH on September 27, 2023, 10:00:35 am
LIVE - Storm Agnes hits North Wales with gale force winds and heavy rain
People warned of possible damage to buildings and danger to life from debris and waves

Storm Agnes will hit North Wales today with gale force winds up to 80mph and heavy rain in parts. People have been warned there could be damage to buildings, power cuts and a danger to life from debris and waves.

live report https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-storm-agnes-hits-north-27790380
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 02, 2023, 06:21:30 pm
UK sees joint warmest September on record     
It must have bypassed Colwyn Bay          :(


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/66957427
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 09, 2023, 12:18:27 pm
I took my dog for a walk on "Dog Mountain" this morning and it was warm and dry with no wind and was quite pleasant, not exactly a mini heatwave but still very nice.

How different to the atrocious rainfall that they have had up there in Scotland, I hope that Mull and Helig were not affected by the rainfall and the floods that followe
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: mull on October 09, 2023, 06:41:40 pm
Never seen anything like it before.
Heavy rain non stop for over 2 days. Oban MRT called out on Saturday to assist Police Scotland deal with volume of calls to assist them, helping people trapped between landslips on the roads in Argyll. For about 24 hours all roads in and out of Oban were blocked with roads flooded in the town , no access to most of the supermarkets.
Looks like another day of it  coming on Tuesday, Oban MRT have been put on standby to assist Police Scotland from 0200 hours.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 10, 2023, 08:50:51 am
Looking at the TV reports on the Scottish floods they look horrendous and the MRT and the Police have their work cut out coping with this deluge.      I hope that there is no loss of life caused by the unprecedented rainfall you are having up there and that you are safe and not flooded out on the island. 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Helig on October 10, 2023, 02:40:36 pm
I think there is another weather warning for today. It wasn't too bad here despite some heavy rain there was no flooding. The River Nith was high but didn't flood to my knowledge. I know it was much worse further north and severe problems were created by landslips. I think there was a very bad one at the Rest and be Thankful pass.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on October 14, 2023, 10:26:28 am
Met Office on where and when it'll be coldest as temperatures plummet
We could even see the first snow of the season on higher ground this weekend

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-itll-coldest-temperatures-27903444
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 20, 2023, 05:35:23 pm
Storm Babet: Shocking pictures from across  North Wales as rain causes havoc

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gallery/storm-babet-shocking-pictures-across-27951026
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 21, 2023, 11:50:27 am
There's bound to be soggy sandwiches in the New Inn Dyserth today after that flood.     Such a shame as we were there a month ago and enjoyed a nice meal there
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on October 22, 2023, 10:56:05 pm
I had a walk over the footbridge in Dyserth on the 3rd October 2023 but just look at the volume of water that has recently gone under the bridge.   It's no wonder the New Inn was flooded on the 20th October 2023
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 12, 2023, 10:27:11 am
The Met Office has issued a weather warning for wind for North Wales as Storm Debi hits the region. The latest storm to strike the UK is sweeping in, with forecaster warning of "very strong and disruptive winds on Monday".

North Wales has been put under a yellow wind alert, covering the six counties, Wrexham, Flintshire, Denbighshire, Conwy, Gwynedd and Anglesey. The alert is in force between 4am and 6pm on Monday.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-debi-met-office-weather-28090885?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on November 25, 2023, 10:03:15 am
According to a recent weather forecast, Britain is in for a two-week spell of ice and snow as winter makes an early appearance. A sharp drop in temperatures was felt across the UK yesterday, (November 24), with cold air from the Arctic ushering in a prolonged period of colder weather.

The chilly conditions are expected to persist over the weekend and beyond, with temperatures plunging sharply overnight in some northern regions and remaining just above freezing in the south. Meteorologists predict that the night will bring temperatures as low as -4C in Wales and -5C in the rural South West.

The Met Office has mentioned the possibility of sleet and snow in the north of Scotland and on peaks exceeding 400 meters (1,312 feet). According to a report in WalesOnline, today (Saturday) is expected to be the coldest night of the year across the country, with the first sub-zero temperatures.

cont https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/met-office-warns-of-5c-arctic-temperatures/ :565:
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 03, 2023, 11:38:04 am
Forecasters have warned of snow and icy conditions in parts of Wales as temperatures plummet.

The Met Office said up to 10cm (4in) of snow was possible with icy patches on Sunday and "difficult travel conditions".

The snow alert covers Denbighshire, Conwy, Flintshire, Gwynedd, Merthyr Tydfil, Monmouthshire, Powys, Rhondda Cynon Taf and Wrexham until noon.

The ice warning comes into force from 17:00 GMT.

It covers Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion, Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Gwynedd, Monmouthshire, Powys and Wrexham until noon on Monday.

The forecaster said icy conditions was likely to develop from Sunday evening, "leading to difficult travel conditions" into Monday.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67600135
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 09, 2023, 10:10:17 am
When and where strongest winds will hit North Wales amid Met Office warning
Gusts could reach up to 70mph on the coast today

North Wales is under a weather warning for wind today. As of yesterday afternoon, the Met Office yellow alert was due to come into effect at 9am, lasting until 11.45pm tonight.

Forecasters warned there could be traffic and travel disruption, possible power cuts, with coastal routes and communities potentially impacted by large waves and spray. A Met Office forecast said: "Winds will increase in the west during Saturday morning then across other areas through the afternoon.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/strongest-winds-hit-north-wales-28255053
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2023, 02:58:48 pm
Storm Fergus arrives in North Wales day after 80mph gusts from Storm Elin
Trees came down and homes lost power when stormy weather struck the region on Saturday



 https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-fergus-arrives-north-wales-28263763



Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2023, 10:38:15 pm
It's blowing a gale at the moment up here on the Heights.   All my garden furniture has been put on the floor in case of any storm damage but the way things are going it'll stay there until the Spring
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2023, 09:38:57 am
They already have a list with the names of storms for 2023/24, the last one was Fergus and the next one should be Gerrit.    Well last night I think we Gottit as the wind was howling all night and the tiles were rattling on the roof
The forecast was for winds of over 40 mph, well they were certainly well above that wind speed last night and I would expect some structural damage in the area
The gales seem to be getting more frequent and powerful year by year



https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/storm-names-202324-announced
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 17, 2023, 11:16:48 pm
I've just had a look at the weather forecast from Thursday to Saturday and it seems quite wild for the area with strong winds all day Thursday, Friday and part of Saturday
Those westerly winds on Thursday predicted to be over 50 mph will affect the West Shore Llandudno and the sand should be a problem there, especially in the area by the boating lake
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2023, 11:00:54 am



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/met-office-weather-warning-80mph-28309251
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 18, 2023, 11:49:28 am
OOPS time limit expired but the weather seems worse than I expected      :-[

Met Office weather warning for 80mph winds set to cause Christmas travel chaos.     I must remember to avoid the West Shore on Thursday otherwise my car will be sand blasted     :(


https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/met-office-weather-warning-80mph-28309251


Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 26, 2023, 10:34:04 am
Wales weather: Heavy rain warning across most of country.......... We are on the edge, and might get lucky!?

Heavy rain could cause flooding and travel disruption across much of Wales on Wednesday.

The Met Office has issued a yellow warning from 00:00 GMT until 18:00.

The forecaster warned of power cuts as well as flooding, difficult driving conditions and road closures.

It said 30-40mm of rain was "expected to accumulate quite widely", while areas of higher ground in south and west Wales could see as much as 70-90mm.

"Strong winds will likely exacerbate any impacts from the rain," the Met Office added.

Almost all of Wales' local authority areas are affected by the warning, with the exception of Flintshire and Anglesey.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67819617
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2023, 09:31:19 am
Flood alerts across North Wales after Storm Gerrit hits with gales, rain, thunder and lightning
Number of flood alerts nearly triple after storm strikes the region



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/flood-alerts-across-north-wales-28356463
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 28, 2023, 09:37:19 am
More bad news, adding to Hugo's flood warning post above................

I am writing this as my neighbour removes what is left of his fencing, after the winds last night...........  :(

Wales in path of 'cyclone bomb' this weekend with snow possible next week
Forecasters are reasonably certain another violent storm will hit the UK on Saturday but are more guarded about the prospects for snow

Confidence among forecasters is growing that Saturday?s storm (December 30) will be as powerful as Storm Gerrit and perhaps more so. It?s expected to arrive as a ?bomb cyclone?, a meteorological term for a rapid fall in pressure that causes a weather system to intensify rapidly.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-path-cyclone-bomb-weekend-28355079
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2023, 01:25:54 pm
Last night's storm was something else,  I've never seen rain quite like it before.        I went into our sun lounge and the rain seemed to come down in buckets of water and hit the glass roof with a bang
Then the water started leaking in to the room so I had to put bowls down to collect the water.     Luckily it wasn't as bad as I was expecting
It may have been the warmest year on record in the UK but it must also have been one of the wettest

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on December 28, 2023, 01:27:22 pm
It was certainly unusual. And these oddities will increase, if we don't sort out climate change.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2023, 02:38:33 pm
?Insane? Storm Gerrit lightning filmed over North Wales as 90mph gales leave people 'terrified'
The storm lit up the night sky and left some people cowering in homes and caravans
It sounds like there is more to come at the weekend and at this rate they'll soon reach the end of the alphabet with the Storm names



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/insane-storm-gerrit-lightning-filmed-28358157
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 28, 2023, 05:41:59 pm
I took my dog out for a walk earlier and intended to have a long walk with him but cut it short because of the force of the wind and the fact that it had started to rain too.
On my way back home I noticed that some people had already put their bins out for collection tomorrow ( it was then about 3.15 pm) and the bins had already blown over and were emptying their contents all over the place.
Don't blame the binmen for any litter on Colwyn Heights, it is the residents fault for putting them out when they have had enough warning about the storm
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on December 29, 2023, 09:50:13 am
Hugo, not just Colwyn Heights, FB saying it has happened all over, and made worse by people not realising the pick up day had changed  :o
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 29, 2023, 01:38:56 pm
To be fair, I think that everyone was notified by CCBC of the change in collection dates but still put their bins out the night before the bins were due to be collected.
Bearing in mind that we are having gale force winds at present, perhaps it's not the wisest thing to do.      I waited until the bin men were in the street before taking my bin down and a near neighbour was already out collecting his rubbish that had blown down the street.   He had put his bins out the night before and they had all blown over
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on December 30, 2023, 05:21:28 pm
Tornado alert issued for Wales as stormy weather arrives in region
It comes after a suspected tornado caused damage to homes in Greater Manchester on Wednesday

I can think of much better ways of welcoming the New Year in     

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tornado-alert-issued-wales-stormy-28368551
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate....High chance of 'brutal' snow and ice bla
Post by: SteveH on January 05, 2024, 09:28:01 am
High chance of 'brutal' snow and ice blast being worst in Wales for 14 years
Most forecasters suspect a cold front is heading this way

Meteorologists are predicting a cold snap and many suspect it could be severe. High pressure is due to settle over North Wales this weekend and confidence is rising that this could be the prelude to a ?major cold spell?.

Snow and freezing temperatures are thought likely in the middle of January if the high pressure migrates northwest as predicted. If this happens, online experts at Realweather said this will ?open the floodgates? to a cold blast.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/high-chance-brutal-snow-ice-28389233
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 05, 2024, 10:45:28 am
Makes a change from the wind and rain   :o              There's bound to be a hosepipe ban coming our way soon the way the weather is changing 
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 13, 2024, 09:15:29 am
According to BBC Weather, light snow showers and sleet are forecast in some areas of North Wales.

Denbigh and Ruthin could see sleet or light snow as early as Monday and Tuesday.

In coastal areas like Rhyl and Prestatyn, snow is most likely to fall after 5pm on Thursday.

Further along the coast in Conwy, Colwyn Bay and Llandudno, any snow or sleet is likely to come on Wednesday and Thursday. On Thursday, hail showers are also forecast
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 15, 2024, 10:28:30 am
Met Office issues 72-hour snow and ice warning for North Wales
By Thursday, the forecaster expects the wintry weather to be affecting a large swathe of Wales

Two yellow weather warnings for snow and ice have been issued for North Wales by the Met Office. The alerts indicate that snow may fall on the region for three days in the coming week.

The forecaster warns longer spells of snow are possible from Tuesday to Thursday (January 16-18). As they become more frequent, they are likely to ?cause further disruption to travel?.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-issues-72-hour-28443572


Also BBC report
Bitter Arctic winds to bring snow to UK this week
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67975792
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 15, 2024, 10:37:39 am
This could be rather nasty. We seem to be getting the first phase of a Polar vortex and the ice and snow round here is untouched by the sun shining down on it.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 16, 2024, 01:05:16 pm
There was about an inch of snow on the ground when I got up this morning and after breakfast my first job was clearing the snow from my drive.
I had to do it because the heating engineer is coming here this evening as the boiler is on the blink and the weather is due to get colder





































Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 20, 2024, 04:19:36 pm
Weather alerts and speed restriction on A55 as North Wales braces for Storm Isha
People are being warned of possible flooding, damage to buildings and 'danger to life'

The weather up here on Colwyn Heights is atrocious with gale force winds and driving rain.    Tomorrow they have said will be even worse  which is hard to imagine now,      I hope that anyone venturing out today will take extra care in these conditions

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-weather-alerts-speed-restriction-28483633
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 20, 2024, 06:15:47 pm
The wind will gust up to 90mph, Hugo. It'll be coming from the SW, so the hill will protect the town.  Quite nasty.

If the rain is heavy, then the wind effects will be reduced.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hammy on January 20, 2024, 08:48:35 pm
Hmm, not looking forward to being in the face of 90 mph gusts in our hilltop abode!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 21, 2024, 12:19:34 am
Weather maps and charts as Storm Isha hurtles towards Wales at 95mph      An amber warning is in place due to the storm


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/weather-maps-charts-storm-isha-28485129
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 21, 2024, 05:55:51 pm
Almost the whole country is now under an Amber warning; from the way things are going at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if we had a 100mph gust at some point.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 21, 2024, 06:33:11 pm
As of nine minutes ago, the Amber warning now covers the entire UK.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 21, 2024, 11:09:52 pm
We have a small leak in the kitchen ceiling and it only happens when we have gales and the wind is in a certain direction, like tonight!    :(
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 21, 2024, 11:14:35 pm
Weather: Power cuts hit homes as Storm Isha winds hit.  Thousands of homes were left were left without power as Storm Isha hit on Sunday.

A gust of 90mph was recorded on Capel Curig, in Eryri, also known as Snowdonia.     



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68049810
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate.....Chaos in Conwy: Storm Isha leaves trail
Post by: SteveH on January 22, 2024, 09:50:29 am
First of many reports to come.................

Chaos in Conwy: Storm Isha leaves trail of destruction

STORM Isha has wrecked havoc across Conwy county overnight.

Winds are thankfully calmer this morning but damage has been done across the county. Trees have come down, branches are in the roads, events have been cancelled, businesses have been forced to close, roofs have been partially blown off, gardens have been "trashed" and there is disruption to travel. Residents have also endured power cuts.

cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/24064856.chaos-conwy-storm-isha-leaves-trail-destruction/?ref=rss&IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589



Storm Isha: Full list of roads still closed and now opened after 106mph winds sweep North Wales
The region's roads and railways fell victim to flooding, fallen trees and minor landslides

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-isha-full-list-roads-28488564?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589


I lost my shed door, now contents blown all over the garden.

Valentines restaurant lost its sign

a lot of fence damage around West Shore

Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hammy on January 22, 2024, 10:36:49 am
Weather: Power cuts hit homes as Storm Isha winds hit.  Thousands of homes were left were left without power as Storm Isha hit on Sunday.

A gust of 90mph was recorded on Capel Curig, in Eryri, also known as Snowdonia.     



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68049810

Just got power back (along with 6 other neighbouring properties) after a local transformer failed at 19.00 last night.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 22, 2024, 01:59:19 pm
Storm Isha gales damage Home Bargains roof in Llandudno
A stretch of Mostyn Broadway is closed and parts of Mostyn Champneys retail park have been cordoned off by police as contractors work to repair the damage

Emergency services are at the scene and the retail park is partially cordoned off to allow contractors to repair the damage. North Wales Police have also closed off a section of Mostyn Broadway.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-isha-gales-damage-home-28489615


Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 22, 2024, 02:50:55 pm
Just as you're starting to get over one storm another one comes along     
Storm Jocelyn named as Met Office issues new North Wales wind alert
The next Atlantic low is expected as the clean-up for Storm Isha has barely begun


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-jocelyn-named-met-office-28490198
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 22, 2024, 05:03:31 pm
That one is going to move in around 0700 and continue until about 1900.  It ought not to be as nasty as this last one, but of course stuff that was loosened might now come apart.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 23, 2024, 11:40:54 am
I was listening to the news on BBC this morning and there was a lot of time spent on the weather and they said how bad it was in Northern Ireland,  Scotland and North West England but not once was the word Wales mentioned
Perhaps Wales has escaped the storm and the 90 mph winds in Capel Curig weren't worth mentioning.     My dog has been looking out of the window in anticipation of his morning walk but I'm going nowhere outside in these gale force winds and driving rain.   Teddy will have to be content going out in our back garden and by himself too!
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 23, 2024, 12:11:14 pm
Well N Wales has got a mention in the Daily Post but it's not good news
Storm Jocelyn: Tornado warning and another Met Office weather alert for North Wales
A new rain warning has been and forecasters fear 'damaging winds' which are expected to arrive at 8pm-9pm

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/storm-jocelyn-tornado-warning-another-28495987

I hope that our forum friends Mull and Helig who are taking in the full force of all the storms are both safe and keeping warm in these atrocious conditions.
I seem to remember Mull having an IT problem recently and posting something on here but I can't see if anyone has been able to reply to it
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 23, 2024, 06:24:18 pm
Well N Wales has got a mention in the Daily Post but it's not good news
Storm Jocelyn: Tornado warning and another Met Office weather alert for North Wales


We're fairly lucky, in that we don't have the best conditions for tornadoes. Most occur in the USA, Canada and Bangladesh but hills and mountains mess them up. Nonetheless, the UK does get a fair number of smaller and less powerful events.
Title: Re: STORM ISHA: Conwy Council called out to 60 incidents
Post by: SteveH on January 24, 2024, 10:15:15 am
HIGHWAY officers from Conwy County Borough Council responded to about 60 incidents amid Storm Isha.

The incidents related to fallen trees or large/obstructive branches.

A spokesperson from the local authority said: "We had crews out across the county all day Sunday and overnight, and they?re continuing the clean-up today.

"Street Cleansing and Parks operatives are assisting the Highways teams and the Recycling and Refuse teams with the clear-up of storm debris and wind-blown litter.

cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/24066542.storm-isha-conwy-council-called-60-incidents/?ref=rss&IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 24, 2024, 03:00:31 pm
Capel Curig records UK's highest Storm Jocelyn blast so far of 97mph

The 10th named storm of the season brought yet more high winds and torrential rain

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/capel-curig-records-uks-highest-28502154
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Ian on January 24, 2024, 04:00:54 pm
Almost the whole country is now under an Amber warning; from the way things are going at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if we had a 100mph gust at some point.

Hmm...
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on January 24, 2024, 04:02:16 pm
Are we heading for a record number of storms during 2023/24?
Met Office gives Storm Kathleen verdict as Scotland recovers from Jocelyn battering
The record for named stories in a season is 11 with 2023/24 just one away from that figure already with meteorologists predicting the record could be broken




https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/met-office-gives-storm-kathleen-31953734
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on January 26, 2024, 10:23:40 am
After effect of the storm, a large tree in the triangle at the bottom of Church Walks had to be taken down yesterday, deemed dangerous.
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate....Met Office busts a huge myth
Post by: SteveH on January 31, 2024, 09:59:10 am
Met Office busts a huge myth about the weather this winter and says what to expect
'The phenomenon could well lead to unprecedented global temperatures this year'

With 10 named storms this season already, one of the warmest January days on record and a cold spell that saw temperatures plummet many people have been asking if this year has been unusually stormy. Now, the Met Office has offered an explanation to our recent weather patterns saying that we need to look "outside the UK" for the answers.

Forecasters at the agency have written a blog explaining how global weather is "interconnected" and large-scale global weather and climate systems, known as climate drivers, can have major impacts on the UK at this time of year.

cont  https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/met-office-busts-huge-myth-28537529?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: SteveH on February 05, 2024, 10:01:16 am
Met Office predicts snow for North Wales this week with year?s second cold snap on way
Snow is currently expected to fall at lower levels but the impact may only be transient

Cold air flooding the UK from Scandinavia could bring some snow to North Wales this week, forecasters have said. An Atlantic low moving in on Thursday (February 8) is set to engage with this cold front, the Met Office predicts.

Northern areas of Britain may see a significant snow event as unsettled weather at the start of the week as the weather turns colder. In North Wales and across Cheshire and Staffordshire, the snow is likely to be more transient, said the Met Office.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/met-office-predicts-snow-north-28570033?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589
Title: Re: The Great British Weather Debate
Post by: Hugo on March 04, 2024, 03:36:34 pm
Northern Lights illuminate the skies across Wales
The weather forecaster on BBC Wales said that the Northern lights may be seen tonight if there is a clear sky

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68465549