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Title: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2018, 04:19:26 pm
Walking along the prom in to town today I noticed lots of coloured plastic balls of the sorts you see in bouncy castles  on the beach opposite the Four Oaks Hotel.
It gave me an idea. How about a forum meet up and a walk along the beach to clear away as much plastic and rubbish as we can find?
Anyone interested?
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 09, 2018, 04:42:56 pm
That's a good idea Dave and you can count me in, there's a lot of stuff on the beach towards the Little Orme too.    Fester collected a black bin bag full when he had a go a short while ago.     $good$


Don't ask me to clear up any windblown sand on the West Shore though.     ;D
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2018, 05:10:25 pm
I would propose trying to cover the length of the beach although looking at the shape of it at the moment the flat bit where things are most like washed up ( I would have thought) is fairly narrow for much of the length of the prom.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 09, 2018, 05:50:58 pm
Count me in as well, good opportunity to meet members of the Forum.   $3towns$
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 10, 2018, 01:07:20 am
I’m available for selection Sir.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2018, 08:58:49 am
Well that's 4 for a start . Anyone else fancy a stroll along the beach?
Tides look to be favourable this week, and the weather is OK too.
How about Friday? Meet at the lifeboat station at say 11.00am?
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2018, 09:21:32 am
Dave,  I'm sorry but on Friday i'm going to a funeral of a friend and former work colleague in Llanddeiniolen and won't be able to make it.  Any other time and it would normally be ok
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 10, 2018, 04:32:20 pm
I’m “FREE’.  :D
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2018, 06:25:41 pm
What shall we do, stick to Friday or wait until next week ? The tides are starting to get in the way though.
I'm on holiday after that.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 10, 2018, 10:20:55 pm
Time and tide wait for no man Dave so you should go for it on Friday and if you decide to do another one then I'll be there circumstances permitting.   
Good luck with everything.    $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 11, 2018, 08:50:00 am
I’ll be there.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 12:04:59 pm
Me too, we'll do what we can in an hour or two. Meet at 11.00 as suggested.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 11, 2018, 03:55:34 pm
I’ll be there. 
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 11, 2018, 05:25:26 pm
 $walesflag$
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2018, 05:28:32 pm
Great stuff, look forward to meeting you both.I'll be there 11.00 on the paddling pool side of the Lifeboat Station.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 11, 2018, 05:40:46 pm
I think there will be 4 of us in all,  another Forum member has intimated he will join us for an hour.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2018, 03:09:00 pm
I was only joking :D There are probably some who can only help out on a Saturday, we had 4 on the beach this morning and I have to say, not only nice to put faces to names but it's also quite  therapeutic picking up rubbish !
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: SteveH on January 12, 2018, 03:15:48 pm
Well done  $good$  hopefully I can join in next time.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 12, 2018, 10:28:02 pm
I was only joking :D There are probably some who can only help out on a Saturday, we had 4 on the beach this morning and I have to say, not only nice to put faces to names but it's also quite  therapeutic picking up rubbish !

Dave, would you please give us an update on how everything went today with the state of the litter on the beach and the amount of litter collected.     It's a really positive thing that you've all done and it would be nice to have some feedback on it.     $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2018, 10:56:13 pm
There were 4 of us, we combed the beach from the lifeboat station towards the Little Orme. At first it looked surprisingly litter free but on closer inspection it's amazing how many small pieces of plastic and bits of fishing line are tangled up in the seaweed or lying elsewhere. Aesthetically they might not be a problem but they are far more of a threat to wildlife than a whole plastic bottle might be.
On the other hand we found a rusty discarded fisherman's knife and a scis..... (half a pair of scissors!) plus some broken glass, all of which could have caused nasty injury to anyone who trod on them in bare feet.
The volume in the end wasn't huge because the bits were so small but still a very worthwhile exercise. I think DaveR is going to start a new thread and perhaps we can organise another clean up somewhere.

On a down note I have to say it was rather depressing to walk along the shore towards the Little Orme and instead of one of the residents of those prestigious beach front houses appearing to congratulate us on what we were doing I came across one house that obviously use the bank leading to the shore to dispose of their garden refuse. OK, it's organic in the main but there was a lot of non organic matter mixed in too. If I had my camera I could have posted a photo.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: DaveR on January 13, 2018, 08:27:49 am
I think we did a pretty good job of tidying up the beach, it’s actually an enjoyable thing to do. I will set up a new thread so that future cleanups can be organised. Here’s a pic of the rubbish we collected in just one hour.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 13, 2018, 09:12:24 am
Thanks Dave and all of you who took part.   A good job well done.     $good$


I know the house that you are referring to Dave and it does look a mess and what's more that's really fly tipping as the land is not theirs.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 13, 2018, 10:39:18 am
I enjoyed it, as Dave alluded to its quite edifying too.
Let’s make it a regular thing in several Llandudno locations.
I’ve noticed quite a lot of discarded cans and suchlike on the rocky beach to the left (or West of the Pier)
West Shore beach would also yield a lot of rubbish most of the time too.

Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: andyCYD on January 13, 2018, 11:05:38 am
You did a great thing yesterday.  It could get quite big if you make it a regular thing (if you wanted it to be).  It would be well worth talking to Dylans.  They already have a 2 minute beach clean scheme running at Cricceth http://www.aberaeron-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116682&headline=%E2%80%98Two-minute%20beach%20clean%E2%80%99%20station%20arrives%20in%20Criccieth&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2017 (http://www.aberaeron-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116682&headline=%E2%80%98Two-minute%20beach%20clean%E2%80%99%20station%20arrives%20in%20Criccieth&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2017)
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 13, 2018, 05:12:12 pm
I found walking on the shingle almost impossible, now I know how visitors must feel, those who sanctioned depositing all those stones on the shore should be made to walk up and down for a day, so that they can feel what a disastrous decision it was.  $angry$
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 13, 2018, 05:37:02 pm
You're spot on there Quiggs, it's really hard to walk on the shingle there.   When I've been as far as the base of the Little Orme I go on that private sea defence after the Villa Marina and walk along it for quite a way.

Whoever decided on the quarry waste on the prom should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Nemesis on January 14, 2018, 10:09:25 am
I found walking on the shingle almost impossible, now I know how visitors must feel, those who sanctioned depositing all those stones on the shore should be made to walk up and down for a day, so that they can feel what a disastrous decision it was.  $angry$

I fully agree with you Quiggs. I would have happily turned up to help, but walking on such surfaces is now an impossibility for me. :'(
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: DaveR on January 15, 2018, 11:32:51 am
This is a thread to organise regular clean ups of the man made rubbish deposited on Llandudno's beaches.

The first clean up took place on Friday 12th January 2018.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2018, 12:14:43 pm
Thanks for giving the idea a thread of it's own Dave! Listening/reading to feedback the shingle beach isn't the easiest of places to walk for some so it's my belief we could extend the coverage to other places too. Obviously the council is responsible for doing some work and I wouldn't want to see us taking someone's job but there must be lots of places that don't get any coverage at all. The Little and Great Orme immediately come to mind, the Gun Sites another. We have miles of footpaths which offer good walking and potential litter problems. I drove along Bodafon Lane the other day and the amount of discarded fast food wrappings along there was sad to see, the road around the Gt ore another blackspot.
I don't want to make this something I want to do too often but once in a while and it can make a significant difference.
Does anyone have a contact in the Council to ask for their input, support even. The loan of litter pickers, those metal devices that stop you having to bend over would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: andyCYD on January 15, 2018, 12:37:44 pm
Keep Wales Tidy are probably the organisation to go to, but you need to decide if you want to make this a formal arrangement or not.  My experience of KWT is that once they give you something they expect quite a lot back in terms of reports, progress up dates etc.  The Council could be even worse, and would expect risk assessments and probably want to know what you are going to do with the litter you collect.

If you are happy to do this with minimal recognition and just the personal satisfaction of doing a good thing you are probably better to keep it low key and sort things yourselves.  Perhaps do it a couple of times and then discuss.

Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: SteveH on January 15, 2018, 12:46:57 pm
Thanks for giving the idea a thread of it's own Dave! Listening/reading to feedback the shingle beach isn't the easiest of places to walk for some so it's my belief we could extend the coverage to other places too. Obviously the council is responsible for doing some work and I wouldn't want to see us taking someone's job but there must be lots of places that don't get any coverage at all. The Little and Great Orme immediately come to mind, the Gun Sites another. We have miles of footpaths which offer good walking and potential litter problems. I drove along Bodafon Lane the other day and the amount of discarded fast food wrappings along there was sad to see, the road around the Gt ore another blackspot.
I don't want to make this something I want to do too often but once in a while and it can make a significant difference.
Does anyone have a contact in the Council to ask for their input, support even. The loan of litter pickers, those metal devices that stop you having to bend over would be much appreciated!

I am afraid  that I am limited to level surfaces, but would like to join in on those occasions.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 15, 2018, 02:46:13 pm
Keep Wales Tidy are probably the organisation to go to, but you need to decide if you want to make this a formal arrangement or not.  My experience of KWT is that once they give you something they expect quite a lot back in terms of reports, progress up dates etc.  The Council could be even worse, and would expect risk assessments and probably want to know what you are going to do with the litter you collect.

If you are happy to do this with minimal recognition and just the personal satisfaction of doing a good thing you are probably better to keep it low key and sort things yourselves.  Perhaps do it a couple of times and then discuss.

I think Andy is right in what he has said and it's probably best not involving other bodies.  Just keep it plain and simple and within the Three Towns Forum.     
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Nemesis on January 16, 2018, 11:24:42 am
Just come down the road and past the new lifeboat building and there were quite a lot of people litter picking, both on the edge of the beach and both sides of the road. Some had hi-viz jackets, but all had grabs and sacks. Seems a waste of time to someone after what you good people attained earlier. !
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 16, 2018, 12:24:21 pm
That seems like an organisation that has arranged that Nemesis, I wonder which one it was.     I saw a group on the Orme a few years ago doing the same thing but they were offenders and I seem to remember them having that notice on their high viz jackets.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 16, 2018, 01:16:37 pm
I notice there is a couple of active Facebook Group Pages called Friends of Conwy County Countryside Litter Pickers and Friends of Conwy Litter Picking Team.

I wonder if it maybe one of them?
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Nemesis on January 16, 2018, 06:31:33 pm
That seems like an organisation that has arranged that Nemesis, I wonder which one it was.     I saw a group on the Orme a few years ago doing the same thing but they were offenders and I seem to remember them having that notice on their high viz jackets.

That crossed my mind Hugo, having seen the same thing on the Orme, but these people didn't all have the jackets and were rather spread out for them to be under any supervision. The only thing that they all had were grabs and sacks, some green, some black. As the wind was quite strong they seemed to be struggling to actually get anything into the bags.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 17, 2018, 09:12:39 am
I notice there is a couple of active Facebook Group Pages called Friends of Conwy County Countryside Litter Pickers and Friends of Conwy Litter Picking Team.

I just copied and pasted this from the FB Group.


Here is some information for any of you who would like to organise a litter pick in your area.

Equipment can be borrowed from the cleansing depot located in Mochdre.

Contact ....Sarah Gallagher on 01492 575712. Give the dates and time and they will arrange for the collection of bagged litter. Hope this helps. Pat
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2018, 08:18:58 pm
Excellent bit of info Bri.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Bri Roberts on January 17, 2018, 10:21:45 pm
You are most welcome, Dave.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: SteveH on January 25, 2018, 09:35:17 am
Interesting article and video re. Plastic waste.....

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42808302 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42808302)
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 25, 2018, 03:47:38 pm
I’m ready to do it again, if anyone is available next week?
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2018, 09:45:44 pm
I'm away at the moment but, like Arnie.... I'll be back!
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 27, 2018, 02:49:33 pm
I’ll give it another go $good$
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: llandudnotrust on January 29, 2018, 06:50:57 pm
Now, just testing the water here. Are you good cleaning folk planning on doing a beach clean on the 20th Feb? If not we are going to do a clean up at Haulfre Gardens meeting outside the tearooms at 2pm.

You are most welcome to join us.
The Friends od Happy Valley & Haulfre Gardens
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 29, 2018, 10:11:55 pm
I’ll be 150 miles away on that day, so no clash with your event.

I’m going to do a West Shore clean this week, probably Thursday if anyone is interested?
If not, I’ll just crack on.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on January 30, 2018, 02:38:13 pm
Fester,  have you seen the BBC    North West Wales forecast for Thursday?       Gusts of up to 47 mph from a N W direction      :o
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 31, 2018, 12:04:38 am
Thanks...  I’ll just do it on Friday, or weekend then.  Whenever the wind is less gusty.
It’s  only a couple of hours, it doesn’t take the whole day up.
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Quiggs on January 31, 2018, 05:08:00 pm
What time and where. West shore car park or Paddling Pool. .?
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Fester on January 31, 2018, 11:18:34 pm
What time and where. West shore car park or Paddling Pool. .?

Anywhere you think that needs our efforts Quiggsy.
Let’s check the weather first...
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: SteveH on February 08, 2018, 03:26:21 pm
Another article on PW , showing how fishermen are not helping the situation by using the sea as a dustbin.

Plastic waste 'building up' in Arctic.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42947155 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42947155)

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-42990391/plastic-pollution-reaching-record-levels-in-once-pristine-arctic (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-42990391/plastic-pollution-reaching-record-levels-in-once-pristine-arctic)
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: SteveH on March 07, 2018, 04:47:35 pm
Miles of Anglesey coastline polluted after Holyhead Marina disaster
Debris, polystyrene and fuel has washed up on beaches across the island as clean up work continues.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/miles-anglesey-coastline-polluted-after-14380332 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/miles-anglesey-coastline-polluted-after-14380332)


Probably coming this way, just in case a warning....."They also warned people to stay away from potentially dangerous marine flares that could wash up."

“We are also advising people to report anything unusual they may see on the nearby beaches"

“It may be the case that some pyrotechnic marine flares wash up - if anyone see anything of this nature please do not pick it up or touch it - they are very dangerous if misused or fired accidently.

“Call 999 and ask for the Coastguard so that we can dispose of it safely and properly.”
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on March 07, 2018, 05:11:33 pm
Good advise Steve as the current will bring them in this direction
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Meleri on June 19, 2018, 04:56:48 pm
Routine annual beach clean up work starts today 19th June, to remove larger stones from Children's Corner on North Shore. It is expected to take three days to complete. Once the stones are removed the area will be surf raked to remove fine material and debris from the beach  :)
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Blongb on August 03, 2019, 01:21:48 pm
What a pity that CCBC who laughingly refer to the last piece of sand on the North Shore as "Kiddies Corner", have in their total disregard and disrespect to the rate payers of Llandudno and our Summer Visitors, failed to Rake the beach at all, so far this year. It's so bad at the moment the poor old Donkeys are traipsing backwards and forwards through masses of washed up seaweed that's been there for weeks. 

Perhaps I'm getting Paranoid but it's almost as if the Council wants Llandudno to fail, a Beach flying a meaningless Blue Flag, Pavements that aren't fit to walk on, especially if you are pushing a disabled person or a child and absolutely nowhere for anyone to Park. The way it's going it's only a question of time until the Goose that lays Conwy's golden eggs dies through utter neglect.

Thank-you, Rant over.  $angry$ $angry$ $angry$ 
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: norman08 on August 03, 2019, 02:51:45 pm
I have said for a while CCBc are trying to kill Llandudno off as a resort ,they rake from rhos point to the skip a few times a week but never do that last patch of sand on our beach, just wait till they build that 100+ bed hotel at surf snowdonia More hotels will for sale in Llandudno, already quite a few if you look. 😡
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on August 03, 2019, 03:12:18 pm
I agree with what you say Norman and it's as if Llandudno has no say when it comes to things like this.    Where are the Councillors that should be speaking out for Llandudno on these matters?
I do feel sorry for the hoteliers who are trying to make a living in the town and they are represented by no one in real terms

If Blongb doesn't mind, I'll have a rant about the West Shore:-
Is there anyone on the Coastal Defence forum or even on this entire Planet that thinks that by raising the sea wall at West Shore by 16 inches it will stop this happening?
They should admit their mistakes and sort that problem out first and make sure that they get it right in future
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Nemesis on August 04, 2019, 10:52:01 am
One of the so called Councillors actually lives slap in the middle of the picture !
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on August 04, 2019, 11:17:52 am
Why on earth is the Councillor not being more vocal about the damage inflicted on that area by their partners in crime at the CCBC?
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Blongb on August 04, 2019, 01:13:44 pm
If the problematic Sand had been dredged from the West shore and then put on the North Shore, there would have been no need for the dumped quarry waist in the first place.  {}{}
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Hugo on August 05, 2019, 02:39:45 pm
I did suggest exactly that to Councillor Priestley when he was responsible for the environment and he did say that he would think about it but that was all he did, just think about it.
Instead, the sand was still being  dumped over the sea wall and above the high water mark.      At least it keeps the Jennings workforce in regular employment
Title: Re: Llandudno Beach Clean Up
Post by: Blongb on August 04, 2020, 04:21:22 pm
I've had another pop at CCBC again over the state of the North Shore. Its been posted on fixmystreet.com (http://fixmystreet.com) so hopefully this might just shame them into doing something about it, but I shan't be holding my breath.

Filthy Beach, 31st July

There is only one small stretch of sand left for visitors to use and It has not been cleaned or sand raked this year. As we come out of lockdown, more and more families are trying to use it and without proper cleaning it will be the perfect place to spread the Covid 19 virus. Why is the Sand Rake only used to clean Colwyn Bay beach? Doesn't Llandudno matter?
Nearest road to the pin placed on the map (automatically generated by Bing Maps): 11 Trevor Street, Llandudno
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