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The Local => Genealogy & Research => Topic started by: anneelaine on August 14, 2020, 07:07:01 pm
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{}{} Hello again,
Can anyone please tell me, how I can find who is in graves in Eglwysbach churchyard I'm looking at 1800s
Thanks, AE.
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Hi anneelaine ...
... I have vsiited every grave in Eglwysbach looking for Thomas's and found a few that are in my family tree, along with a few other links - I have these listed!
... something else I did, a few years ago, was on Findympast.com key in a name I knew was from Eglwysbach (my great-grandfather Lewis Thomas 1821-1899) and when I found his death went to the original document which gave you a page of the burials around the same time - does not say where they;re buried but most are in the church graveyard You could then scroll the pages back and forth and cover many years, so you could find the name you are looking for. Same thing with births, baptisms and marriages as in some cases when you can view the original entry, then scan back and forth to see everyone else. Let me have names if you want me to try and find them.
... you may also find info on here, but you will need to register.
https://billiongraves.com/cemetery/St-Martins-Eglwysbach/289157
https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/a714ce58-cd6f-3ae4-8e90-ed430716ef68
Regards
Dave
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Hi, Dave,
I am looking for Thomas Hughes to, born 1818 Eglwysbach, thinking I had found him, his father also but!!!!
Now, think its NO
Do not think now, if I have his mother right, Been told it was Elizabeth Née Davie Born 1817 death 1877
So I was going to pop up on the bus to the graveyard and take a look, but what am I looking for. Everyone is called Thomas Hughes $donald$
I have Thomas Hughes born Eglwysbach 1818 death Llandudno 1879. This is true.
I have a lot of family who have the wrong guy for him, in their trees and All have put down Thomas Hughes (1791-1861 791 • Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales
DEATH DEC 1861 • Gwaenysgor, Flintshire, But he is with his wife, in the grave not one off my grandmothers Elizabeth Rees
1786–
BIRTH 1786 • Flintshire, Wales
DEATH Unknown But, she may not be right.
Someone in the family tree had his father as Roger Hughes and his mother as Jane, No dates But,
Thanks AE
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Dave ,
may have found something. On finemypast,
Thomas
1817—
1879
Denbighshire Burials
Eglwysbach, Denbighshire, Wales.
But I am not on this one
O dear.
AE
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What definite information do you have please?
Are the dates for his mother correct? If she had been born in 1817, then he would have been born much later than 1818. Do you have a marriage for her?
There is a Genuki on Eglwysbach:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Eglwysbach (https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Eglwysbach)
In those days there were many non conformist chapels. It could be he was baptised in one of those. Many of their records didn't survive and nothing is held in the archives.
Thomas Hughes is likely to be a common name around there. You will need to provide all the details for us to try and identify him if we can.
Helig
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Hi anneelaine ...
... I have gone through quite a bit of the GeniUK stuff about Eglowysbach (note it is often called Eglwysfach).
... on the 1841 there is a Thomas Hughes (aged 24, so born about 1817) at Bryn Pwll Budr with his wife Elizabeth (also aged 24) along with a 4-year-old named Jane Davies
... on the 1851 census Thomas Hughes (aged 33) at Bryn Pwll Budr with his wife Elizabeth (aged 34) and children Harriet (10), John (7), Elizabeth (4), Evan (3) and Mary (2 months). Thomas is an agricultural labourer. Bryn Pwll Budr was located where the hamlet of Brymbo, mid-way between Graig and Eglwsybach village, is now.
... he is there again in 1861 but at 2 Pen y Ffordd aged 41 - wife Elizbaeth is with him (aged 34) and Mary who is now 10 years old. Then there are more children - Ann (8), Phoebe (5) and Catherine (2). Note that ages on early census can easily be up to 5 years out, but this does look like the same family.
... I had these on my records as my great-grandmother was a Catherine Hughes but it is not the same one as on the 1861 census.
... as helig says, please try and give accurate info so that we can help.
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Thank you Helig,
this is his will Hope it comes up,
His wife as far as I know was Davies
Name GRO birth registrations for the children have her as Davies
Elizabeth
Davies
Status
Deceased
Birth Date
1817
Birthplace
Eglwys-Fach, Denbighshire, Wales
Death Date
April 1877
Death Place
Conway, Caernarvonshire
His family,
Harriet Hughes
1841–
John Hughes
1845–1921
Elizabeth Hughes
1847–
Evan Hughes
1848–1930 Was a builder in Llandudno
William Hughes
1849–
Mary Hughes
1851–
Anne Hughes
1853–1915
Pheobe Hughes
1856–1933
Catherine Hughes My Great grandmother
1859–192I
Harriet Hughes
1841– I have got cousins from her DNA its low cm but a match just meet in Llandudno
And we have a look of each other.,
But they do not know
any more than me,
That's all I have Sorry.
It is the same family Dave thank you.
I was thinking maybe if I found his grave his father & mother are with him,
so one way off finding out for sure.
AE
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Hi Helig,
Yes I can see what you're saying,
Elizabeth
Davies was born 1817
her husband Thomas Hughes was born 1818, both born Eglwys-Fach
Cannot find a marriage for them at all.
Before that lost.
AE
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Hi annelaine ...
... could this be your Thomas Hughes, born 6 April 1817 to John Hughes and Mary Jones of Coedgolau, John was a labourer.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FWAL%2F4631007%2F00022&parentid=GBPRS%2FB%2F879090290%2F1
,,, and could this be your Elizabeth Davies, born 1 March 1818 to Evan Davies and Elizabeth Jones of Brynpwllbudr, Evan was a labourer.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FWAL%2F4631007%2F00025&parentid=GBPRS%2FB%2F879090318%2F1
Regards
Dave
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Freereg has a marriage in St Collen, Llangollen on 21/12/1841: Thomas Hughes married Elizabeth Davies.
I think that may be another couple but just bear in in mind. There is a marriage registered for this in Corwen District and the reference is Vol 27 Page 214.
FreeBMD has a marriage registered in Llanwrst District in the June quarter of 1841 and the list includes an Elizabeth Davies and Thomas Hughes. There is no guarantee this couple were matched as there are 8 names in total:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1841&end=1841&sq=2&eq=2&type=Marriages&vol=27&pgno=279&db=bmd_1595843552&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTU5NzU4NDI5OToyOWZhYTVkZTcyODU2YzgzYTdmYzZlZjg4N2ZlMzUzNzAzZDQ1ZTY1&searchdef=start%3D1838%26s_surname%3Ddavies%26end%3D1841%26type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4%26given%3Dthomas%26db%3Dbmd_1595843552%26countyid%3Dall%26surname%3Dhughes%26sq%3D1&action=Find (https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1841&end=1841&sq=2&eq=2&type=Marriages&vol=27&pgno=279&db=bmd_1595843552&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTU5NzU4NDI5OToyOWZhYTVkZTcyODU2YzgzYTdmYzZlZjg4N2ZlMzUzNzAzZDQ1ZTY1&searchdef=start%3D1838%26s_surname%3Ddavies%26end%3D1841%26type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4%26given%3Dthomas%26db%3Dbmd_1595843552%26countyid%3Dall%26surname%3Dhughes%26sq%3D1&action=Find)
Do you know where the children were baptised, or born? I have searched FreeBMD and it appears their births were registered in Llanwrst, is that correct?
Where did you obtain the year of 1877 for the death of Elizabeth Hughes, nee Davies? I cannot find a burial for anyone in Conwy of that name which matches her in that year.
Helig
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Sprry annelaine ... those dates I quoted are dates of babtism and not birth, although are probably only a few days out.
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Hi,
Helig. DVT ,I got this,
Name: Elizabeth Hughes
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Conway
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Caernarvonshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 428
As far as I know its Llanwrst. The family had a lt to do with the place.
My dad was always saying something about the place
I have been here lot as a child, but I only know the station, everything else is a blank we had a lot of family here but do not know who I was only young at the time
Thanks. AE
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Helig,
Harriet Hughes
1841–
BIRTH ABT 1841 • Eglwysbach, Denbighshire, Wales
Was first child to be born
FreeBMD has a marriage 1841 and the list includes an Elizabeth Davies and Thomas Hughes. So this could be it.
AE
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If it helps, Llanrwst was a registration district in its own right from 1837 until 1935 when it became a sub-district of Hiraethog. Eglwysbach was within the Llanrwst District and Sub-District.
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I meant to add that the Gwynedd Family History Society produced a record book of all the graves and memorials in St Martin's church yard with locations of individual graves.
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I have found what appears to be the burial of Elizabeth Hughes, nee Davies, this is on Freereg.
Elizabeth was buried on 20 June 1877 in St Martin, Eglwysbach. She was aged 60 years. This fits with the information you have given.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5c602699f493fd5002be5a87/elizabeth-hughes-burial-denbighshire-eglwysbach-1877-06-20?locale=en (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5c602699f493fd5002be5a87/elizabeth-hughes-burial-denbighshire-eglwysbach-1877-06-20?locale=en)
I wonder whether Thomas Hughes is in the same grave?
Helig
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There is a burial for a Thomas Hughes in St Martin, Eglwysbach, on 29 December 1879. He was aged 62 years.
The fact it is in the same churchyard and he was of a similar age to Elizabeth, makes this a possibility for your Thomas Hughes.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5c60269af493fd5002be5b19/thomas-hughes-burial-denbighshire-eglwysbach-1879-12-29?locale=en (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5c60269af493fd5002be5b19/thomas-hughes-burial-denbighshire-eglwysbach-1879-12-29?locale=en)
The death registration for this is in the December quarter of 1879 in Conwy District, Vol 11b Page 381.
Helig
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Helig, yes the two are buried together. Elizabeth died on 20th June 1877 and Thomas on 25th December 1879. Their address is given on the grave as 43 Madoc Street, Llandudno.
Assuming the numbering of Madoc Street has not changed, number 43 was unfortunately demolished (along with 45) to create the link road called Zion Passage.
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Thank you so much, for that, I hope it's got a gravestone that would be good. Now have the job to fined his mother & father, And hers too.
THANK YOU.
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Cambrian, that's the address I have on his will 43 Madoc Street.
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Hi annelaine ...
... were you able to open the links I posted in reply number 8? ... they seem to be the baptism records of both Thomas Hughes and Elizabeth Davies, and give you the names of both sets of parents, so that would take you one step further if correct.
Regards,
Dave
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DVT,
no could not open it,
AE
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DVT,
The reason, I am on ancestry. Not find my past.
AE
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The links go to copies of the pages on which baptisms were recorded, about 8 to a page, hand-written ... the info is what I posted and gives the parents names and where they lived. Certainly look as though they're the people you're looking for.
There is a total of 800 baptisms spanning many years. I have seen similar written info on burials as well, plus for many years you can get hand-written copies of marriages.
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$thanx$ Hi guys,
I now have a match with the info you have given me .it came up with a DNA match,
Thank you so much ,could never have done it without you all.
AE
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Cambrian.
Going back to 14, I cannot find a thing.
AE {}{}
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Anneelaine ...
... if you are referring to the Gwynedd Family History website you won't find Eglwysbach there as it has never been in Gwynedd!
... you need the Clwyd Family History Society site ... www.clwydfhs.org.uk (http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk) ... where they have the church/chapel records going back a long way but they're on microfilm in Ruthin - could be well worth a visit once you've got your notes together.
I only learnt that this morning so will be planning a vist when I can! My Thomas family is in Eglwysbach from 1820, the earliest record I can find is my great-grandfather baptized in 1821, and I have found his parents grave in Eglwysbach. Before that goes to Llansantffraid (Glan Conway) and that's also in Ruthin archives.
... digging in the archives gets addictive - on my mother's side I can go back to the 1200's all in Suffolk, then it carries on back to France with the Norman invasion!!
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I might be wrong but all or most of the Burial Indexes for Conwy County are in the Conwy Archives which has now been located to Conwy Town.
I found out yesterday that the Conwy Archives is open to the general public on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays
Conwy Archives is now re-open from Mondays to Wednesdays, by appointment only. To book a morning or afternoon slot, email archifau.archives@conwy.gov.uk or phone 01492 577550. When you book, you will receive our new guidelines which explain the changes we have made so as to provide a safe service. We are looking forward to seeing you!
Monday 9:30-12:30; 13:30-16:30
Tuesday 9:30-12:30; 13:30-16:30
Wednesday 9:30-12:30; 13:30-16:30
Thursday Closed
Friday Closed
Saturday Closed
Sunday Closed
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Thanks for that Hugo ... problem with counties names and boundaries changing all the time! I hope they have got Eglwysbach and Llansantffraid there as I would like to view them fairly soon!
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DVT
The registers were transcribed a few years ago. The archives will have copies of all the available ones for Eglwysbach and Llansantffraid.
Three lots - Births, Marriages and Deaths. You may be able to buy these via the Clwyd Family History website.
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Thanks for that Hugo ... problem with counties names and boundaries changing all the time! I hope they have got Eglwysbach and Llansantffraid there as I would like to view them fairly soon!
I'm going to the Conwy Archives on Monday so I'll check to see if they have the records there
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Thanks guys that great ,
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Hi everyone.
7 May 1813
Eglwysbach, Denbighshire, Wales
Roger Hughes, 1, of Coedgoleu, was buried. Service performed by Robert Parry, Vicar. Coedgoleu, was buried. Service performed by Robert Parry, Vicar. would anyone know at what church?.
thanks, AE
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Freereg has this burial at St Martin, Eglwysbach. Roger Hughes was an infant as his age was 1 year.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5c602674f493fd5002be4952/roger-hughes-burial-denbighshire-eglwysbach-1813-05-07?locale=en (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5c602674f493fd5002be4952/roger-hughes-burial-denbighshire-eglwysbach-1813-05-07?locale=en)
Helig
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Robert Parry was Vicar of Eglwysbach from 1810 until 1826.
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I visited the Conwy Archives today and the Archivist confirmed that the Burial Indexes for Glan Conwy and Eglwysbach are both there
These indexes only show the graves in the Church grounds that have headstones but they are listed alphabetically so it's easy to find the grave
Only two researchers are allowed in at a time and you must reserve a slot beforehand. The people working there are very helpful and it's as safe as anywhere could be in these times
Conwy Archives is now re-open from Mondays to Wednesdays, by appointment only. To book a morning or afternoon slot, email archifau.archives@conwy.gov.uk or phone 01492 577550. When you book, you will receive our new guidelines which explain the changes we have made so as to provide a safe service. We are looking forward to seeing you!
Monday 9:30-12:30; 13:30-16:30
Tuesday 9:30-12:30; 13:30-16:30
Wednesday 9:30-12:30; 13:30-16:30
Thursday Closed
Friday Closed
Saturday Closed
Sunday Closed
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Thank you, glad its back open .
so I now hope to go soon
$hands$ stay safe AE
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<:<:<:< Hi guys. @Llandudno Library can you get free FindMyPast,
thanks AE
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Yes.
The library edition is available free to members both in the library and online.
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Hello, i have just looked and it said Online resources (available in libraries only) ,
AE
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It must have only recently changed because I was using the free service online throughout the summer.
There is always the option of signing up to their 14 day free trial.
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It is still free online.
You simply need to sign in first.
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Hugo.
So if no headstone, I will not find out about who is in the grave with Thomas & his wife?
@ Conwy Archives .
AE
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Hello.
If i sent away for Thomas Hughes BC would it have all the info on it . Being it was in 1817.
AE
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Hello, have you since been able to access Find my Past?
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Anneelaine, the registration of deaths etc was made compulsory in 1837 so I don't know for certain if they will be able to issue certificates before that date but it's probably unlikely
Those records prior to 1837 would be Church Records and again those are in Conwy Archives
Have you checked with the Archives? The records you want are the Burial Indexes and Parish records
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Right Hugo, I will do that, Bit worred about going to Conwy Archives. got OCD lol, so need to clean before I go in lol,
I will ring this week thank you.AE
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Bri Roberts
No, because its sending me to Ancestry,
I have got this so when its ends in Dec
I will go onto find my past
Thank AE
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Helig, reply number 9,
Elizabeth Hughes nee Davies ...Grave in St Martins Eglwysbach
1818–1877
BIRTH 1 MAR 1818 • Brynpwllbudr, Eglwysbach, Denbighshire, Wales
DEATH 1877 • 43 Madog st Llandudno
2nd great-grandmother
I have found the grave now @ St Martins, I hope I can read what's on the grave ,
so going to pop over to find it thank you so much {}{}
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I am hoping to get the book for all the graves in st Martins soon,
so if anyone needs help!! I will take a look and hope to tell you something.
AE
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Hi , At last found the grave TH & EH ,grave E066.
AE
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DVT, have you got his grave number ,Thomas Lewis, if not I have got it ! and it on my map
AE
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Hi Annelaine ...
... thanks for asking. I don't have the grave number but I was told it is near the line of trees and wall between the old and the new parts. There are a couple of gaps in that area. The name is Lewis Thomas (born 1821, died 1899), I don't know if his wife Catherine is there or not, she died in 1915.
... I did find Lewis's father there, William Thomas (1794-1876), along with his wife Elizabeth (1799-1865), a daughter Anne (1840-1915) and a son-in-law Owen Williams (1823-1907).
Where can I view the book?
Regards
Dave
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DVT - they have one in Conwy Archives but you can buy one from the Clwyd Family History society (or you could!) See their website.
Well worth getting one as there's so much local history contained in them.
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Here goes DVT.
Lewis Thomas, age 78 Catherine is with him age 1915 grave B078,
book is about 18.50 . I got this for a few weeks from a friend .AE
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DVT trying to download map but finding it hard ,I hope you get it on sun
AE
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))*DVT ,sorry its B097 grave, Catherine was 76 years old, death 1915.And book is £18.50.
AE
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$3towns$
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BO97 grave
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Many thanks, anneleaine. Not where I thought it was, so will try and get there soon to have a look. Thanks again, Dave.
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Your welcome. You guys have help me so much and have been so kind, I know I go on a bit but I have OCD so gets me mad if I cannot find the answer lol.
AE