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Title: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on April 23, 2015, 10:58:57 am
I never realised the extent of the social media obsession in this area, until my pet Internet troll started to have a pop at me.

My main internet usage has always been this Forum, and I used to check in on Oscar from time to time..
I have never bothered with Facebook, (too much hassle), and I opened a Twitter account but rarely used it. (Don't understand it to be honest).
I contribute to 3 other Forums, but they are international ones, not local.

But now, I am told that 'Fester', sometimes using the same avatar as on this Forum, is ''contributing'' to several local blogs and Forums that I have never even seen!     Not sure what ''I'' am supposed to be saying on them, but I'm certain it's designed to cause grief for someone.

So, other than seeing 'Fester' on here, feel free to ignore any comments you see, supposedly being posted by me.
Or don't... it's up to you.... but I assure you it ain't me typing!







Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: DaveR on April 23, 2015, 11:31:46 am
Amazing, please inform your Troll that this is the only Forum worth contributing to.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: born2run on April 23, 2015, 12:13:53 pm
As I've said before there's only one Fester


and that's one too many  D)



Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 23, 2015, 12:32:44 pm
I did not think there were any other local forums?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Nemesis on April 23, 2015, 07:45:34 pm
Been there Fester...................got the T. Shirt as well !
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on April 23, 2015, 10:10:25 pm
Had a few beers tonight, a nice night around town wouldn't you agree?   Z**

But when I got home, I found a message from 1 of my 3 fellow Mods on the Motorhead Forum telling me that my Troll had been very active over the last day or so.    Plus another message from another local Blog owner saying the same.

Its great, because as soon my Troll opens a new 'profile', it gets zapped by any one of three people who see it.
There is a 1 in 3 chance I get to see the the new 'avatar', (it takes about 25 minutes to create one)... and it takes me or a colleague, about 5 seconds to make it vanish!!   :laugh: :laugh:
Tonight, apparently he spent all that time creating a profile, and got banned before ever making a post.. ha ha.  :laugh: :laugh:

So, over the last month or so, I reckon that this sad individual has spent about 3 full days out of his entire life obsessing about me enough to write about me (and apparently to me),  just how sad is that??







Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Merddin Emrys on April 23, 2015, 11:17:53 pm
I can't understand why they bother? What is their motive? Or have they escaped from an asylum?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: born2run on April 24, 2015, 12:09:50 pm
I'm not having it!

No way on earth have a bunch of Motorhead fans got the capacity to create and engage in a forum  >>>

What must that look like?

TOPIC

*News - Motorhead release another song - fear not it sounds like all the others!
Lemmy cancels 2458 tour dates
Guitarist reveals fifth chord almost found after 40 years of searching

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on April 24, 2015, 12:37:59 pm
I'm not having it!

No way on earth have a bunch of Motorhead fans got the capacity to create and engage in a forum  >>>

What must that look like?

TOPIC

*News - Motorhead release another song - fear not it sounds like all the others!
Lemmy cancels 2458 tour dates
Guitarist reveals fifth chord almost found after 40 years of searching

 :laugh:


That's a very fair summary of it to be fair, B2R.
Which makes it even FUNNIER that my Pet Troll chooses to slag me off on there.

You see no one ever reads it, and as a Mod, the software notifies us of any new memberships.  It's then the easiest thing in the world to delete him.

Now, at least if he trolled me on here, or on local Blogs, there would be at least 17 people see it on a weekly basis, of which 4 might know who I am, and be mildly interested.     :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: snowcap on April 24, 2015, 09:45:56 pm
you should offer to send him/her some cream fester, vanishing cream
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: DaveR on April 27, 2015, 09:15:21 am
I can't understand why they bother? What is their motive? Or have they escaped from an asylum?
It is very strange. Why spend so much time on constant negativity? Some of these people must spend all day doing nothing but complaining about other people online.  &shake&

I'm always gratified to see how few posts there are on here at weekends. Why? Because it means all the Forum members are out in the real world enjoying themselves.  $good$
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on April 27, 2015, 11:16:27 am
It's just so sad for someone to waste their time on such negativity,  sadder still that they are so called adults.   Life's too short to waste time in such a manner.         &shake&
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: cygnusx-1 on April 27, 2015, 02:39:14 pm
Well...... I am wound up in an amazing state....about all this.

The three times I saw Lemmy etc 1979/80/81.....whilst the musical complexity may have been lacking you could not fault the energy of the shows(and one of those tours had Girlschool as support :P)

Some people make a full time job of slagging sites off and various members on those sites......but in general I have found people across the world more positive than negative. I have had people from the far East offering silly money for original tickets for gigs from the 1970/80s to add to their collections.(£60.00 for a £3.20 show ticket but I was not tempted).......must get back to the Steve Hillage album now for peace and love.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on April 27, 2015, 10:35:52 pm
Thank you Cygnus, well for my part, I'm no 'Fly By Night', indeed I'm just a 'Working Man' ...  and I say of my own 'Freewill', that Motorhead have always been 'Closer To The Heart'    D) :laugh: $elvis$ D)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on June 29, 2015, 01:20:01 pm
Nice to see that my pet Troll returned last night.

He's had a few weeks 'enforced' lay off.

Now the pathetic soul is back, as usual wishing me dead, a few personal insults etc... and he is very upset about my 'Changing Face of Llandudno' thread.

Nice to see you back Saddo!  ;D :P
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on July 10, 2015, 12:27:17 pm
A common and particularly unpleasant form of harassment is that involving malicious communications either through the post, the telephone, Fax, by cyberstalking through the internet or, an increasing problem, by the use of Text or SMS messages sent to mobile phones.

Under section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998 it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person and sections 85 Postal Services Act 2000 or s127 Communications Act 2003 there are similar specific offences relating to sending postal or telephone messages which are indecent offensive or threatening. Both offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. Because the Malicious Communications Offence is more wide ranging than the Telecommunications offence it is more likely to be charged by the Police than the Postal Services or Communications Act offences.

In most cases involving malicious communications however there will be more than one offensive or threatening letter or telephone call and therefore the police will often choose to charge the offender with an offence contrary to section 2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Part of the reason for using this charge is that when someone is convicted of an offence under the Protection from Harassment Act the court can make a Restraining Order preventing them from contacting their victim again. Breach of a Restraining Order is punishable with up to Five years imprisonment. A Restraining Order cannot be imposed for a conviction under the Postal Services or Communications Act offences.

If the messages e-mails, phone calls etc cause the victim to fear that violence will be used agaisnt them then the police can choose to charge the offender with an offence contrary to section 4 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 which is punishable with up to Five years imprisonment and also allows the court to make a Restraining Order.

If the offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article is racialist in nature or motivated by religious hostility then charges could be brought contrary to sections 32(1)(a) or 32(1)(b) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 . In serious cases offenders could face up to 7 years imprisonment.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Colophony on July 11, 2015, 04:52:04 pm
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Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on October 22, 2015, 10:57:51 pm
Well, I have to say that Trolls, vermin though they are.... are VERY good for business!

It was pointed out to me that my troll has carried on with his trivial abuse on several (existing and new) local blogs.
It's a good job it was pointed out to me, because I wouldn't notice these pathetic articles, even if they were were on 30ft billboards right outside my house!

But anyway, bless him, he is still carrying on wasting his time (apparently)
Also, there are several Forum members names used in the articles, as if they have posted comments.... when of course they haven't.

In any case, I would URGE the scumbag to carry on... because I have been getting visited at work by people asking me about the blogs, and the comments.... and very kindly spending fistfuls of CASH while they are about it.   Superb stuff, keep up the good work.  I'll try and give you plenty of material to use.

The last 2 days were an unexpected BONANZA !!
It seems that there really is no such thing as 'bad publicity'    $good$ $thanx$ $hands$

Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: DaveR on October 23, 2015, 11:36:14 am
Amazing how these people have nothing else to do, they must have such sad lives.  &shake&
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on October 23, 2015, 06:51:52 pm
No wonder that Nigel Robert's had enough cash to retire early!

No wonder that Katie Price is a multi-MILLIONAIRE!

Being trolled is very lucrative indeed, but shortens the life of the Troll himself.

Once again today, (I intended to shut), but went to the Pier for less than 2 hours, and was HANDSOMELY rewarded for my time.
A couple of locals, and one Forum member paid me a visit to have a good laugh at the sad Troll and his pathetic efforts.
Of course there was money in it for me!
Then, being the only shop open, there was a FLOOD of cash from passers by, and those coming for the weekend.

So, I will indeed take my unexpected WINDFALL and buy more of my favourite things,,,   BEER, CAKE, and suchlike...
This in turn will make me fatter and more SMUG!    This will lead to more trolling, which then leads to more CASH!

Thanks Troll, I've never been so popular.... or RICH! 
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: squiggle on December 24, 2015, 12:40:34 am
Thing that gets me most about trolls is how the usage of the term seems to have changed over my years on the Internet.

In the good old days (well I only go back to 99 but), a troll used to be capable of exercising some intelligence. A simplified example from comments user comments on a topic on the Guardian web site ran something like this.

"[rant] just like the tories or any other left wing party"

Of course people on the newsgroups  would rush in and point out the tories were not right wing and tangle it up with the rant.  Older aims seemed to be just dropping the bait and sitting back while others went off topic and started arguing amongst themselves.  Other games would be saying something mildly inflammatory or controversial and then turning things round to being the victim. 

And I allowed myself to get drawn into things I shouldn't have and ignored the old saying "don't feed the trolls" more times than I care to mention.

These days, troll seems more to mean someone who just hurls out vile, threatening and abusive stuff.  Personally, I don't consider them worthy of the name "troll" and blame the media and politicians for what I at least perceive as a shift in the meaning of the term.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: squiggle on December 24, 2015, 01:13:20 am
On other thing with "troll" is how the Internet term came about.  There is not agreement on this but I am of the view that it stemmed from a fishing term whereby lures or bait is drawn though the water to catch fish.  The other and these days more popular view is that it stems from from the creature in Norse mythology.

I guess though that may depend on who you view an Internent troll.  To me, the fishing one is more suited to my earlier Internet memories.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2015, 12:12:12 pm
I suppose the meaning of the word has changed over the years but the people who carry out this action are the same.  Jealousy or some other petty reason may fit the bill but the spineless postings are best ignored.
Some people may be competent on the computer but they should realise that whatever you put on it is traceable to the source.

In the United Kingdom, contributions made to the Internet are covered by the Malicious Communications Act 1988 as well as Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, under which jail sentences were, until 2015, limited to a maximum of six months

People may think they are good on the computer and beyond reproach but there are better computer experts out there, so they shouldn't be surprised if they get found out, sooner or later.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: squiggle on December 24, 2015, 01:22:32 pm
Actually Hugo.  I believe Tor does a pretty good job of hiding the source.  From what I gathered from someone, there are quite  few unsecured home wifi in my area one could park up and use. It's quite possible to run a computer without a hard disk just say leaving with a flash drive to hide or dispose of, etc.

Except for running a PC off a flash drive for legitimate purposes (they can be used as rescue systems or maybe taken round to a friend to show off the latest version of a Linux distribution, etc.), I have done none of this and I do not support the malicious usage of computers.

I suppose I'm giving a reflection on what I consider to be intrusive proposals by the governments and perhaps their naivety.

Sure, there will always be even "clever" people tripping up and people In my humble opinion deserving being caught and punished but I feel certain the real master criminals (including terrorist organisations) who Id guess have access to their own experts who know far more about computers than I ever will in a lifetime will always find a way round.

The latest proposals I read seem to involve ISPs keeping records of every web site visit a customer makes for a year. It's something that might even persuade me to become more "hidden".  OK they may not look at it but I don't like the
idea of a pretty complete profile of where and when I shop, what hobbies and interests I may have, assuming complete URLs, who's facebook pages I've read, which wikipedia pages I've read, etc.

I do not believe MI5 will have loads of people constantly checking on everything everyone does. Nor do I believe I personally am of any interest to them.  I do however believe there would be a lot of data on every one that could be broken down and analysed by computers.  I also have little faith in the government's ability to keep data secure...

All this on everyone for a system I believe the "baddest" will get round. I seem to have drifted into the political here...
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2015, 04:43:48 pm
Everything is traceable squiggle no matter how hard you try to hide it, so the answer is if you don't want anyone to know it's you that has posted something then the answer is don't post it.
Don't post anything about someone if you are not prepared to say that to their face, that's probably the answer
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 24, 2015, 09:05:31 pm
My Troll came on here last night, wishing me a miserable Christmas.

How could he have possibly have known that the in-laws are staying for 4 nights?   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on February 10, 2016, 10:32:51 am
Last night I had an e-mail purportedly from Amazon and it said that I had won a coupon for £250.00 to be spent on Amazon purchases.  The e-mail was very well done and appeared to be genuine, all I had to do was to click on a link and the coupon would be there for me. 
If it appears to be too good to be true then it probably isn't and anyway I'm getting more cynical in my old age.
I checked the e-mail address and there was also an Australian address at the bottom of the letter so it confirmed that it was a bogus e-mail probably searching for an Amazon account.
I sent it on unopened to Amazon for them to follow up if necessary.   
 I can see what that troll was after but can't understand what the weirdo troll that has appeared on here from time to time gets from doing what he does.  I can only assume that it is either envy or some type of inferiority complex.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on February 11, 2016, 09:45:56 am
It must be my lucky week because last night I received an e-mail from Aldi saying that I had won a gift card for £300.00, the e-mail had the same GPO Box  No in Sydney Australia as the one from Amazon that I received before.
It's a shame that they are bogus as I could have supplemented my OAP by £550.00 this week alone.   ;D

Needless to say that e-mail went the same way as the previous one and was deleted immediately.   Perhaps Billy NoMates the troll may think of something else but if he does I'll advise the forum.

If one e-mail comes to me from the National Lottery though I'll check it out first.    $good$

Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on April 10, 2016, 05:20:10 pm
I had an e-mail from Santander today and it asked me to click on the link but I just deleted the e-mail.   I don't even bank with them so there were no doubts that it was another scam.
Even if I did bank with them I would still have deleted it as you can't take any chances.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: SDQ on April 10, 2016, 05:55:47 pm
I had an e-mail from Santander today and it asked me to click on the link but I just deleted the e-mail.   I don't even bank with them so there were no doubts that it was another scam.
Even if I did bank with them I would still have deleted it as you can't take any chances.


I get one regularly supposedly from Amazon Prime offering unlimited downloads if I click the link.
Seeing as I get that already as part of my membership it is easy to spot. I can only assume the link will put a nice dose of Malware on my computer if I click on it.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: DaveR on November 26, 2016, 08:49:48 am
I was reading an article about new penalties for internet trolls yesterday and it made me wonder if Fester was still getting grief from his troll?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Ian on November 26, 2016, 09:01:11 am
That'd be interesting to know. Certainly the law is taking a much firmer line with these people.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Nemesis on November 26, 2016, 09:09:58 am
I should think that a lot of local people would say' Too little, too late' :-X
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on November 26, 2016, 02:36:43 pm
I was reading an article about new penalties for internet trolls yesterday and it made me wonder if Fester was still getting grief from his troll?

I didn't think I was, because my email and website filter out and block any dodgy looking email addresses, IP addresses or suchlike.   Similar there are great security filters on my business Facebook page that prevent any nonsense.   
But, when prompted by a customer, I looked in my junk mail folder and found probably in excess of 150 emails from him.  I scanned a few, realised it was the same old tripe.
However it amazes me just how much of his sad life he has spent obsessing over me, and the vast amount of time and physical effort he has taken to create these messages, just for them to get auto deleted or never even seen by me.
I would estimate that maybe 2 months of his wretched life has been wasted on this.  At the end of his life, this is time he ain't getting back.
It's probably a lot more, but I don't know how much gets auto deleted do I?

What's also amazing is how he genuinely believes that anything he says or gets upset about has any effect whatsoever on anything that I do or say!   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Ian on November 30, 2016, 07:33:13 am
So, Fester;  any closer to discovering the identity of this unpleasant bit of  human flotsam?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on November 30, 2016, 04:39:37 pm
Ha ha, good description Ian.
Yes indeed, I know exactly who he is, and I have done for many months.
When I was previously busy workwise, he was too insignificant for me to bother dealing with.
I have a bit more time now though.  Hmmm.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Ian on November 30, 2016, 05:08:42 pm
I wonder if he knows just who he's abusing...
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: DaveR on November 30, 2016, 07:02:41 pm
You know who the troll is?! Was it difficult for you to work out his identity?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on November 30, 2016, 08:25:37 pm
I'm sure you know too Dave,  if you recall, you saw him as an irrelevance.
Nothing to be concerned about.
The thing is, going by recent stuff in my junk folder, he doesn't KNOW that I know!  😂😂
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Merddin Emrys on November 30, 2016, 10:50:34 pm
I still can't see any point in what these people do? So many more worthwhile things to spend your time on!
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: SDQ on November 30, 2016, 11:14:54 pm
Ha ha, good description Ian.
Yes indeed, I know exactly who he is, and I have done for many months.
When I was previously busy workwise, he was too insignificant for me to bother dealing with.
I have a bit more time now though.  Hmmm.



Should we get our pitchforks ready?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Ian on December 01, 2016, 08:17:38 am
And don't forget the flaming torches :-)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: PhilMick on December 01, 2016, 08:24:57 am
Can I volunteer for the lynching!
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: PhilMick on December 01, 2016, 08:26:49 am
Just need to add: volunteer as a lyncher not a lynchee.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 01, 2016, 12:33:52 pm
Just need to add: volunteer as a lyncher not a lynchee.

Ha ha, isn't that one of those Chinese fruits?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 10, 2016, 12:57:43 am
Been away for a while, now I have spare time to deal with 'loose ends'
LOTS of time in fact.

I'm thinking of popping down to town over the next few days, to pay my pet troll a friendly visit.
Thanks extended to Gaz Hughes from Facebook for giving me his actual address!

Put the kettle on son, Fester is coming round for a cosy chat!

Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Nemesis on December 10, 2016, 09:03:49 am
OMG ! When do the tickets go on sale? WWW
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 10, 2016, 11:28:46 am
A cup of tea and some knuckle sandwiches to go with it sounds good.     $hands$
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Jelly Baby on December 15, 2016, 06:23:11 am
Come on, Fester, do tell where we send the wreaths to!!
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 22, 2016, 12:14:59 am
A cup of tea and some knuckle sandwiches to go with it sounds good.     $hands$

It would be unwise of me to employ such methods, when the individual himself is in such a debilitated state of health.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2016, 08:28:18 am
That's very magnanimous of you Fester and the right thing to do in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 22, 2016, 10:40:58 am
Don't get me wrong Hugo, my natural inclination is to punch him in the face, but given the sad individual's infirmity, he would be unlikely to survive it.
That would put me in a prison cell for several years, and he certainly isn't worth it.
I'm only thinking of myself here, not him.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2016, 01:14:33 pm
That feeling is only natural Fester but you're bigger than that and it wouldn't be worth it anyway.     These Trolls don't even deserve a reaction.
 I felt the same when that low life tried to pick a fight with me by the caves in Ty Gwyn Road,  but in his condition he couldn't stand up properly let alone connect with a punch.
I just walked away and felt sorry for the unfortunate guy.
 
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 22, 2016, 03:15:38 pm
According to a post he made on Facebook today, he genuinely doesn't think I know who he is.
But I do, and if he would like to show his face here (and if Dave and Ian allow him), I'll make double sure he knows.
Trouble is, by not skulking quietly away, as I was going to allow him to, (being the season of goodwill and all that), because of his parlous physical condition.... I am now minded to administer several punches to his face!   
It's never wise to pull the tiger's tale for too long. 
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Ian on December 22, 2016, 03:28:55 pm
I think we'd be happy to have you name and identify him.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 22, 2016, 07:53:24 pm
I read a message that was sent to Ormegolf by this Troll and it was vile and it just demonstrates how low the Troll has sunk.    Why anyone should do such a thing is beyond belief and any sympathy for the sad individual must be quickly waning.
He of all people should know about the recent laws that have been introduced for this type of thing and they are quite severe so he'd be better off doing something more constructive than being named and shamed in public.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Big Alan on December 23, 2016, 09:08:37 am
What group does he make these Facebook posts in Fester? Just out of curiosity of course.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 23, 2016, 11:14:44 am
What group does he make these Facebook posts in Fester? Just out of curiosity of course.

Various ones Al, but I don't see them, as I haven't joined them.
According to the students who administer my Facebook page for the pier shop, he regularly puts insults or abuse on there.
But because teenagers are never off their mobile devices, they zap him or delete him almost instantly.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 23, 2016, 12:14:46 pm
You have been more than tolerent to put up with all this abuse and perhaps it is now time to put an end to this.   I've attached a link that might be useful


http://www.north-wales.police.uk/advice-and-support/cyber-crime/cyber-bullying.aspx (http://www.north-wales.police.uk/advice-and-support/cyber-crime/cyber-bullying.aspx)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Michael on December 24, 2016, 10:03:29 am
I am uncertain whether or not my troll and festers one are one and the same person. I tend to think not.
 However, I have always had a very soft spot for this forum because not least coming up to seven years ago it changed my entire life. That was when I read that the golf lease was going to anyone interested. I followed it up, got it and never regretted it. Not only did I first read about it here. Lots and lots of messages of support came in and several members took to the streets pushing leaflets through letterboxes. I never asked anyone. It just appeared to be a forum uprising.
 Having said that, though, I don't post much nowadays. Mainly because whenever I do this troll pops up. Not on the forum of course. No it's emails or Facebook or you name it. Quote this week from the troll "I see you have made an unwelcome return to the forum boring everybody etc etc"
 I ignore him/her. But it does irritate me that I have to refrain from giving him a mouthful. But I know that would please him/her, getting a response. So I don't. But I stop posting.
 Is this what he/she wants? Has he/she got a vendetta against the forum. The more members he can stop posting, the more likely the forum will go into decline?
 Strikes me that is possible. The troll obviously reads the forum, even the small print. But is he a member who posts himself? Or, is he one of the small band of ex-members who have, to put it bluntly, been thrown off the forum? If I was a detective I would be looking at these people with a close eye.
 Anyway as far as I am concerned the troll has won. I have had enough of his childish putting his tonge out at me. I have better things to do and, I,m sorry to all my friends in the forum. I will still read you, but u won't be hearing from me
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 24, 2016, 10:46:43 am
Mike?
It is the same person, it's only one person, and it's not one of the ex Forum members.
It's not someone who is nice to your face, then abusing you from behind a keyboard.
It's just a sad case who has done this on other forums in the past.
He's well known, for this type of brainless anti social behaviour and if he thinks he has affected you in any way, he'll be rubbing his hands (or another part of his anatomy)
I had no idea he was stil messaging you.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Ian on December 24, 2016, 10:53:07 am
That's a bit akin to letting the football yobs stop you attending matches. But I do agree that social media has become an unpleasant playground for the mentally inadequate and mentally ill. It's always been a sad fact in society that a vociferous minority can spoil things for the great majority.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2016, 11:30:36 am
Mike, I was very sorry to read your post and hope that you'll reconsider what you have said about posting on the forum.   I've enjoyed reading your postings and you've got a wealth of knowledge that positively contributes to the forum and I just hope it continues.     
We've had some lovely chats when I've seen you on the Golf Course and seen how your acts of kindness have been shown to the many golfers who visit your course.
Because someone is held in high regard by others this shouldn't make them a target for abuse by a socially inept troll and no one should have to put up with that.

It might be Christmas but this troll has shown no consideration to you at all so I'm going to post the link again that I posted for Fester and you should seriously think about contacting them.
http://www.north-wales.police.uk/advice-and-support/cyber-crime/cyber-bullying.aspx (http://www.north-wales.police.uk/advice-and-support/cyber-crime/cyber-bullying.aspx)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 24, 2016, 11:45:39 am
No need to contact anyone Hugo,  its better to simply get him sorted.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2016, 12:12:01 pm
Very tempting Fester,    *punch*      but let the Police get their hands dirty, that's what the legislation was for.    Instead of knuckle sandwiches he can eat in one of HM's canteens and reflect on his actions.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on December 24, 2016, 12:22:34 pm
Very tempting Fester,    *punch*      but let the Police get their hands dirty, that's what the legislation was for.    Instead of knuckle sandwiches he can eat in one of HM's canteens and reflect on his actions.

I wasn't insinuating any violence Hugo, as I've said previously.
He might be deserving of it, but I can't be seen to openly advocate that course of action.
Suffice to say, it's getting sorted.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 24, 2016, 12:35:57 pm
Just a tongue in cheek comment Fester,  you don't have to stoop to their level, but I'm glad that it's being sorted.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Bosun on December 24, 2016, 03:32:20 pm
I think we'd be happy to have you name and identify him.

With 'trolls', they are only able to continue their unpleasant practices behind a veil of anonymity, it's the only way they can exist. Take away that veil, expose them to the light and they fade and die. Let every one know who they are and they cannot exist, exposure is the silver bullet.

'Policing' requires both the consent and help of society, sometimes society can help by policing itself.

As in this case, by simply exposing the offender.

No 'allegations' can be made by the troll, as could be following a personal encounter and everyone except the troll can relax and enjoy the festive season. The troll can worry that that everyone now knows who, and what, he is.

Happy Christmas.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Michael on December 25, 2016, 08:55:53 am
O k. I'll still post if I read something in the forum and I think I can make a sensible contribution. But I won't be starting any new threads for a while until mr troll either gives up or disappears from the scene. I wouldn't mind betting that this post will get him/going. I an just imagine his response. " bad news. Golfie ( that's what he calls me) is threatening to carry on publishing stupid rubbish about what he has done in his boring past etc etc" o.k. Mr troll. Should I be your. Ghost writer?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on December 25, 2016, 10:38:33 am
Thanks Mike, it's good to see you posting on here.  A Merry Christmas to you and a Happy and Healthy New Year.        $good$
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: snowcap on December 27, 2016, 10:21:28 pm
Glad to see you you are not giving in to the idiot Mike, hope all members had a nice xmas and hope you all the very best for the New Year. There will always be some nutter out there hoping they can bring people down, the way to beat them is to do what you,r doing Mike ignore them after all you,r better than them
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: DaveR on December 28, 2016, 09:40:48 am
O k. I'll still post if I read something in the forum and I think I can make a sensible contribution. But I won't be starting any new threads for a while until mr troll either gives up or disappears from the scene. I wouldn't mind betting that this post will get him/going. I an just imagine his response. " bad news. Golfie ( that's what he calls me) is threatening to carry on publishing stupid rubbish about what he has done in his boring past etc etc" o.k. Mr troll. Should I be your. Ghost writer?
Fester knows exactly who the troll is, so I wouldn't worry, Mike. The troll is just jealous, of course, because you have led a far more interesting life than he.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on March 15, 2017, 05:34:24 pm
Just an update on this subject for the few people who are interested (or involved)
When I became aware of who the troll was, and what he was, I knew it would be easy to track down his address.   You have to snuff these anti social types out you see.

But silly me, because I was working so hard (something he hasn't done for almost 30 years) I left it too long.
He has moved around quite a bit, getting evicted from various bedsits and flats in the Llandudno post code.
However it's a small town, and people are helpful, especially against people as nauseating as he.
I spoke with a previous landlord of his, and a very recent landlady.  They were delighted to be rid of him due to several 'behaviours' that were unacceptable to them and other tenants.
It was quite an eye opener.
Also, chatting to a couple of ex house-mates (or 'roomies') of his gave me enough information for where to go next. 
Don't forget, I already knew his name and background, so all I was after was a current address.
Conwy Housing Association were quite helpful too, but I had to go through more 'official' channels for that.
Let's just say that I hope he doesn't need to fall back on them for help anytime soon.
He's used a few aliases and fake online ID 's , but when you're relying on benefits such as DLA, then you are required to give your real name for everything, including housing.

Now,that takes me to Twitter.  I got a few notifications of troll messages on there. So I became intrigued.
I'm rubbish on Twitter, so useless in fact, that when I decided to answer back on there, I was actually broadcasting it to about 460 customers of mine who must have been pretty confused about what they were seeing.  So I gave up on that.
But what I did notice whilst I was on there was other people engaging with him.
Some were giving him hassle, others seemed to be receiving it from him, I'm not quite sure.
Some made sense, other stuff didn't.
But what became apparent was how many people out there know him, know of him, and know about his past.  I gleaned a bit of information that I didn't know, and confirmed much that I did.

As of today, I still haven't paid him an 'official visit', yet! That's  because he's been on the move again and is in the process of settiling in a new flat.
What he has consistently failed to realise is that this area is quite close knit, people (especially Landlords) keep tabs on problem tenants and liaise with each other.  That applies all over North Wales it seems.  That's how I managed to get my new information.

It also goes to show that if you are disliked as badly as he has made himself, then people want to see you get what's coming to you.  They're only too ready to help and sometimes it only costs you a friendly pint!



Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Hugo on March 16, 2017, 05:07:43 pm
Accommodation may soon be the least of his problems


In October the Government announced measures to increase the maximum sentence for trolls who are convicted under the Malicious Communications Act from six months to two years and extend the time limit for prosecutions under Section 127 to three years from the commission of offence.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls
Post by: Fester on March 17, 2017, 05:21:16 pm
Accommodation may soon be the least of his problems


In October the Government announced measures to increase the maximum sentence for trolls who are convicted under the Malicious Communications Act from six months to two years and extend the time limit for prosecutions under Section 127 to three years from the commission of offence.

True Hugo,
It's also a criminal offence now to impersonate a real person on the internet, which he is guilty of and will be getting confronted with quite soon apparently, (or so I've been told).
I never hold my breath on things that get promised to me on that fron though.