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Title: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on May 27, 2011, 08:59:07 pm
I recently treated myself to an Apple iMac computer (thanks GVC) and it's an impressive machine, without a doubt, very well designed and built. The switch from Windows to the Mac OS after 15+ years of me using various versions of Windows forces you to stop and think about what you're doing, though. Just one example - in Windows, you click the X at top right of a program box to close a program, on the Mac it's a red dot at top left. Hard to break the habit at first but you soon get used to it though.

I know Ian is a keen Mac user, does anyone else on the Forum use them?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: dwsi on May 27, 2011, 09:01:51 pm
100% Mac fan here  8)  D)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on May 27, 2011, 11:01:16 pm
My desktop PC has died and I can't decide if I should get something similar or invest in an iMac. Can anyone please tell me the benefits of an Apple over a windows based PC?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: dwsi on May 27, 2011, 11:59:42 pm
My desktop PC has died and I can't decide if I should get something similar or invest in an iMac. Can anyone please tell me the benefits of an Apple over a windows based PC?

PC's tend to get obsolete in 1-2 years, with software requiring more memory and speed. A Mac stays 'current' for years, I've got a 8 year old mac laptop that still manages to cope with the latest software. Another benefit of a Mac is that it very rarely crashes and never gets viruses.
 D)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on May 28, 2011, 08:15:31 am
I think the main benefits are build quality and ease of use. That iMac pictured is an older model; the newer models are quite astonishing and don't cost the earth for what they offer.

Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on May 28, 2011, 09:37:54 am
I think the main benefits are build quality and ease of use. That iMac pictured is an older model; the newer models are quite astonishing and don't cost the earth for what they offer.



Dave??  Are you out of touch with modern technology....already?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on May 28, 2011, 10:32:33 am
I think the main benefits are build quality and ease of use. That iMac pictured is an older model; the newer models are quite astonishing and don't cost the earth for what they offer.



Dave??  Are you out of touch with modern technology....already?

No, it's a new one, looks the same as in Ian's pic, except that the keyboard is longer.  :P
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Trojan on May 28, 2011, 06:21:03 pm
I think the main benefits are build quality and ease of use. That iMac pictured is an older model; the newer models are quite astonishing and don't cost the earth for what they offer.



Dave??  Are you out of touch with modern technology....already?

No, it's a new one, looks the same as in Ian's pic, except that the keyboard is longer.  :P

I have a Welsh keyboard with 28 letters.  8)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on May 29, 2011, 08:07:10 pm
I've added to my recent splurge on Apple products by getting an iphone. Not the 4 version, but the 3GS. Once again, very pleased with it perhaps we should have a thread on the best Apps now.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 16, 2011, 07:22:25 pm
I'm having a bit of a nightmare with my Apple products at the moment. Original PC went pop and I can't get it working so I downloaded iTunes to my laptop but owing to Apple's overzealous copyright policy I can't do anything as if I try to sync either of my iPods or my iPhone4 it will wipe them and I'll lose everything!
I've got over 100 gig of music on one of the iPods and loads of Apps on the phone. I've decided to leave the big iPod as it is even though I've still got 50 gig of free space on it and use the older (smaller capacity) one for new music starting fresh with the laptop but I'm stumped with the phone.
The new Operating System for the phone has just been released which will store everything in The Cloud to assist people with similar problems in the future but if I try to update via the laptop it says it will wipe all the Apps off it unless I use the original PC which I can't for obvious reasons! Very frustrating after all those hours killing those damn Angry Birds with 3 stars and collecting all those Golden Eggs!!!
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on October 16, 2011, 07:25:03 pm
Nope, no matter how many times I re-read that SDQ, it means nothing whatsoever to me...

I admit it, I'm a dinosaur !!!
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Yorkie on October 16, 2011, 07:54:07 pm
. . . . . . . . . perhaps we should have a thread on the best Apps now.

I think the best two apps are the ones that make phone calls and send texts!    _))*

Here's another that may appeal to the hardened drinker!

10. iBeer: $1.99
Why drink a beer when you can pretend to drink a beer, right guys? This app, which appears to fill your iPhone screen with alcoholic goodness, responds to tilting, so you can take "sips" of your fake drink. Shake the phone for more foam or pour beer from one phone to another. Cheers. 
 Z**   L0L

Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 16, 2011, 07:54:17 pm
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owing to Apple's overzealous copyright policy I can't do anything as if I try to sync either of my iPods or my iPhone4 it will wipe them and I'll lose everything!
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Just as an aside, it's not Apple's copyright system;  it's the best they could get from the music industry (and there are loads of ways round it).

You have your iPods set to 'automatically sync'.  Connect your iPod then change the setting to 'Manually sync' before it can get going. I have to admit I have all my iPods set that way;  much safer.  'Fraid I can't help with the iPhone issue, but Dave probably can.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on October 16, 2011, 08:46:35 pm
  Apart from using Safari as a browser I have never had any experience with Apple (oh and itunes a bit). But Ive just bought an old ipad to give it a try. It cost me £300 but I thought I might as well struggle with that before going in to an ipad2 or maybe 3. When I say old I dont mean used, just the original model. Its a bit dodgy, originates from China, has no sim card nor instructions no nothing apart from a charger plug but it is obviously unused.
  But at least I hopefully can learn a bit about them with it
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2011, 09:02:50 pm
I'm currently upgrading my iPhone to 5.0, will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 16, 2011, 10:25:42 pm
My iPhone has upgraded successfully after about an hour and a bit.

SDQ, can you backup your iPhone via itunes installed on your new pc? If you connect your phone, cancel any messages about upgrading for now, then find the phone in the left hand list, right click on it and select 'backup'. You should be able to back up everything on your phone to your new pc. When that is done, disconnect, reconnect the iPhone and proceed with the upgrade.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on October 17, 2011, 06:48:10 pm
    O.K. Dave, I will give you a rest.   (For other readers, I have got into the habit of emailing DaveR direct with all my tech problems, of which I have many.)

   Getting back to my first model ipad. I bought it "Sim Free." I understand that means it is not locked in to any internet provider (Vodaphone etc) and it has no sim card.

  But I have now been told by Vodaphone staff that if I put one of their sim cards into it, it is then "locked" to Vodaphone and I wont be able to use any other companies sims. I asked "Well how about my visit to India. If I take it with me without any sim card in it, buy one in India, use it there---what when I come back to U.K.?" The answer was, you wont be able to. The assistant did add that I could get it unlocked, but it cost a lot of cash.

  Any member that knows anything about micro sim cards and ipads got any ideas?

  One of the main reasons I bought it was to avoid an £800 vodaphone bill I ran up last winter.  Mike
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 17, 2011, 07:32:17 pm
SDQ, can you backup your iPhone via itunes installed on your new pc?

Sorry Dave, I can't find any option in iTunes to backup the phone. I found a 'Transfer Purchases' option but once I'd done it everything I transferred was greyed out as if it recognised them but won't let me do anything with them. Every time I try any sort of editing it says 'The phone is synced with another library, an iPhone can only be synced with one iTunes library at a time and if I try syncing it will erase it and replace it with the contents in this library'
The odd thing is that when I first loaded the phone on this computer it allowed me to update the phone to OS4.3.5 which I needed to enable my Sky Go app. but the OS5 is a no-go! I can't be the only person in the world with a broken computer in this situation, you'd think Apple would recognise the fact that some people lose everything and have no Backup to refer to and allow some way of changing computers and transferring everything on the device to a new iTunes library, especially as I'm using the existing account. I recognise that this is done to stop file-sharing but surely a one-off transfer to change computers should be allowed as a lot of people change computers every few years. I don't know anyone who is still using the first computer they bought and most are on their third or fourth PC so it's an ongoing problem.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2011, 07:27:01 am
Summary

Learn how to configure sync in iTunes to transfer content between your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch and your computer. In addition to creating a backup, a sync with your computer allows you to manage contacts, calendars, and bookmarks on your computer.
Products Affected

iPhone, iPad, iPod touch

If you are already managing your content with iCloud on your computer and iOS device, you can manage the data from iCloud on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch. Learn more about iCloud. When syncing with your computer, you can sync with the USB cable that came with your device, or over Wi-Fi when the computer and iOS device are on the same Wi-Fi network.
iTunes and App Store content

iTunes Store and App Store content on your iOS device may not automatically transfer to your computer. You can use the Transfer Purchases option in iTunes to ensure that all iTunes Store and App Store content is transferred to your iTunes library. Learn about transferring purchased content.
Photos

You can import photos or video taken or saved on the iOS device. Information on importing photos and videos is available in the iPhone User Guide, iPad User Guide, or iPod touch User Guide. You can find additional information on importing your photos from your iOS device in this article.

Note: You cannot transfer photos that you synced to your iOS device from another computer. You can only transfer photos or videos that you took or saved on the iOS device.

If you are experiencing difficulty with syncing, or have made a large number of changes on your computer, you can use the Advanced option to replace the information on the iOS device during the next sync. These options will become deselected after the next sync. When you replace the data on the device, it will overwrite the data on the device. This action cannot be undone.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2011, 07:29:34 am
One option might be to download all the music from your iPhone onto your computer, then simply re-create a new library.  To download from an iPhone or iPod, you need Senuti (http://www.fadingred.com/senuti/).  At least that way you won't lose anything.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 23, 2011, 09:47:20 pm
    O.K. Dave, I will give you a rest.   (For other readers, I have got into the habit of emailing DaveR direct with all my tech problems, of which I have many.)

   Getting back to my first model ipad. I bought it "Sim Free." I understand that means it is not locked in to any internet provider (Vodaphone etc) and it has no sim card.

  But I have now been told by Vodaphone staff that if I put one of their sim cards into it, it is then "locked" to Vodaphone and I wont be able to use any other companies sims. I asked "Well how about my visit to India. If I take it with me without any sim card in it, buy one in India, use it there---what when I come back to U.K.?" The answer was, you wont be able to. The assistant did add that I could get it unlocked, but it cost a lot of cash.

  Any member that knows anything about micro sim cards and ipads got any ideas?

  One of the main reasons I bought it was to avoid an £800 vodaphone bill I ran up last winter.  Mike
I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, Mike. The sim card shouldnt be able to change the software within the ipad and you should be able to just swap sim cards as often as you want. Regardles, you can always use the wifi option, of course.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on November 14, 2011, 10:14:06 pm
I've just bought a MacBook Pro laptop on Ebay, an excellent machine. I've also had to buy a new external hard drive after two WD external drives failed in the space of two months, both were less than 6 months old as well.  They didn't seem to like working with the Mac very much.  $angry$ I bought an Iomega 2TB drive this time, with a FireWire 800 connection for superfast transfers.  $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on November 15, 2011, 07:03:34 am
It hasn't got Thunderbolt, then?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on November 15, 2011, 08:34:15 am
I'm sure the Mac has the connection for it but the range of suitable hard drives is very limited. The extra speed would be nice but its not essential at the moment, most of my photo files are 10mb or less.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on November 15, 2011, 03:42:51 pm
It's not just speed;  Thunderbolt is an inclusive connection, so everything you need runs down a single cable.  Rather neat :-))
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on February 10, 2012, 07:23:46 pm
I've just upgraded to an iPhone4, so plugged in my old 3GS to charge it up prior to selling it on to an unsuspecting kiosk owner.  8)

So, I'm in the other room when there's a bang and the power trips out. I reset the power and discover that the iPhone charger has blown up. It went with a good enough bang to not only leave black marks all over the charger/cable but also propelled the cable out of the charger onto the floor.

Fortunately, the iPhone itself appears undamaged.  $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 10, 2012, 07:59:22 pm
Busy now looking on ebay for a new charger then?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on February 10, 2012, 08:23:09 pm
I have a spare that came with the new iPhone. You can also just charge it by plugging the usb cable into the Mac, which is useful.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on February 11, 2012, 12:14:07 am
This unsuspecting Kiosk owner is now most concerned as to his personal safety.

Exploding Apples?  whatever next.  :o
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Merddin Emrys on February 11, 2012, 06:42:22 am
Try a punnet of blackberries instead!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on February 11, 2012, 08:34:17 am
To put the unsuspecting kiosk owner's mind to rest with regard to his personal safety, I've had iPhones for three years now and have never had any problems even though one of my chargers isn't even an official Apple one (Belkin). There was a spate of exploding iPhones a while ago but I've never heard of a British charger going bang unlike the US version according to a Google search I did on reading DaveR's original post.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on February 11, 2012, 08:58:21 am
Here's a pic of said blown up charger.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on February 11, 2012, 09:00:13 am
Dave:  that needs returning to Apple. Never heard of that happening before, but on my only ever issue with them, I got a free iPod out of it.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2012, 11:17:57 am
I just saw an original iPad 64gb WiFi & 3G on ebay for £250, so I nabbed it for my Apple collection.  $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on March 07, 2012, 11:40:40 am
Has it arrived?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2012, 01:22:01 pm
No, won't be here till Thurs or Fri probably.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on March 07, 2012, 03:20:43 pm
Not surprised at your blown up plug. After all you have been tempting fate since your old snakecorp days. Every post you write has the words "blow up" on your trade mark photo on the left. Mike
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on March 07, 2012, 05:37:32 pm
Ah, well spotted Mike!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on March 07, 2012, 05:43:55 pm
I just saw an original iPad 64gb WiFi & 3G on ebay for £250, so I nabbed it for my Apple collection.  $good$

With the expected launch of the iPad3 today now could be a great time to pick up
a bargain on eBay as people upgrade to the new model.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on March 08, 2012, 10:28:07 pm
My iPad arrived today and I'm very pleased with it. I notice that quite a few of the Apps have different versions for the iPad, so had to reinstall a few after I synced it with my iPhone to transfer all my ebooks etc across. The only tiny annoyance is that the backspace key is in a different place on the ipad keyboard to the iphones. Apart from that, excellent. $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on March 08, 2012, 10:36:36 pm
I've ordered one today, supposed to be delivered next Friday.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Merddin Emrys on March 08, 2012, 10:39:19 pm
 8) good, I'm very pleased with my iPad 2, the only thing is I need second one as erindoors likes looking at it and previously she never looked at computers etc!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: daveroberts on March 09, 2012, 01:48:34 am
You bought an iPad 2 the day the iPad 3 is announced??? ;-) Take it back. NOW!!! Before it's too late.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on March 09, 2012, 02:26:47 am
You bought an iPad 2 the day the iPad 3 is announced??? ;-) Take it back. NOW!!! Before it's too late.

No, I've ordered the iPad3
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on March 09, 2012, 08:27:36 am
The 'Retina' display on the new iPad looks rather special;  almost certainly another big hit for Apple.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on April 05, 2012, 07:55:01 pm
Trojan virus's starting to affect Apple products.... this is the first time its been known I believe?

Story here,  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17623422 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17623422)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Yorkie on April 05, 2012, 08:55:34 pm
There is a replicating Trojan going round at the moment.  I have received the mail three times from someone I know, so I presume they are unaware that they are infected.

If the mail, which only contains a link and a lot of addresses that it has been sent to, appears don't click on the link - just delete  the mail.  Virus software does not seem to be picking it up and it is resending itself using your address book.     $angry$

Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on April 06, 2012, 08:20:39 am
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Trojan virus's starting to affect Apple products.... this is the first time its been known I believe?

No - proof of concept trojans have been known about for a while, but none has ever been found doing anything malicious, although it will - some day - possibly happen.  The bigger risk is that the criminals are becoming more cunning and installing things that allow them not only to pinch your passwords but also misdirect your machine to false web sites that look exactly like the real thing.  This is one reason why the banks are issuing you with the little code generating gizmos that churn out a number based on prime number computations that the bank's own web sites can recognise but which the criminals can't anticipate. The other ploy is that banks are now routinely changing the front pages of the web site on a daily basis.  My bank's web site is never the same two days running.

The code generator  or 'Digipass' works like this: The digipass displays a numerical code or ‘token’ that is also calculated by a server at your bank. If the two numbers match, you gain access to the system as a user. The server at your bank and your digipass work in the same way. They both have a synchronised, internal clock. They also use the same serial number and algorithm based on Primes. The digipass uses the time, the serial number and the algorithm to calculate a new code every minute. The server at your bank does the same thing at the same time. In that way, the computer knows what numerical code your digipass has calculated and, if it is correct, allows you to access your account.

The numerical code is only valid for one minute. That makes the digipass much safer than a traditional password. What’s more, nobody can use your digipass without your pin code.  Cunning :-))
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Yorkie on April 06, 2012, 09:36:26 am
I was going to say that myself but my spell checker just couldn't cope with such technical stuff!    Thanks Ian.    $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on April 12, 2012, 12:34:19 am
Apple say that half a million Mac's have been invaded by Trojans, but they are dealing with it...

More here.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17675314 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17675314)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on April 12, 2012, 07:53:21 am
It's a sneaky one, that masquerades as a Flash Updater.  Easy to sort, however, and thankfully rather rare. 
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on April 12, 2012, 08:24:52 am
If you use Little Snitch, then the virus wouldn't have loaded anyway:

On execution, the malware checks if the following path exists in the system:

/Library/Little Snitch
/Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/MacOS/Xcode
/Applications/VirusBarrier X6.app
/Applications/iAntiVirus/iAntiVirus.app
/Applications/avast!.app
/Applications/ClamXav.app
/Applications/HTTPScoop.app
/Applications/Packet Peeper.app
If any of these are found, the malware will skip the rest of its routine and proceed to delete itself.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on April 13, 2012, 09:04:19 am
I woldn't be without Little Snitch. Essential software.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on April 26, 2012, 07:40:20 am
Apropos the Mac Flashback Trojan, here's  a free removal tool:

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002346.html (http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002346.html)

The problem with this malware for Macs is that it's drive by; you only have to visit an infected site, which are mostly unwitting WordPress blogs, according to the security folk.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on December 01, 2012, 05:26:23 pm
   Hello all u tech guys on the forum,
     Its all about ---- SHOULD I TAKE THE PLUNGE  ---  and go down the apple route with a Mac.
     I've been more or less non stop with Windows since 1995 (apart from times with no pc at all) and during that time I have heard all about the Mac. I know several of you on the forum whoswear by them, as do plenty of other Mac owners I know.
    But in the past I've never had the cash, and probably more important Ive never had the time to study the changeover.
    But now, as a lot of you know, Ive been a bit dicky health wise and my Doctor is pulling a face about me wandering around Goa without medical insurance. Maybe, they say, a month or two after Xmas, but who knows.  So now I've got the time.
   As to the money, Ive had a bad season financially, but, on the other hand, living in Goa saves a fortune against living in the U.K. All you have to bear in mind is the cost of the flights and visas.  Overall I'm probabl no better off staying here or going.
  So now is the decision time, to Mac or not.   Any advice from you unnamed Mac owners would be appreciated.  Mike
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Yorkie on December 01, 2012, 06:33:50 pm
Hi Mike,  personally I would stay with what you know and are used to, especially if it will do what you want of it.

On the other hand if you want to indulge yourself then treat yourself to a Mac!   ;)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on December 01, 2012, 07:39:59 pm
   Thanks Yorkie.  Yes, I suppose I am used to windows but I am still very much learning because my computer use fluctuates all the time---one year on and aoff all the time---the next year hardl at all. Not planned, just how it turns out.
   But my laptops (Ive got four if you throw in my ipad) are all a bit jaded, like me. Why have I got three? Well they are all used for different purposes i.e. a small tablet as the master for my ipad.
   But Ive been surprised at the ebay prices on 4 year old Macs, they appear to be as cheap if not cheaper than say a Dell with windows. At the moment I feel inclined to go in with say £300 and try one. Then its not the end of the world if its not much good.  Mike
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on December 01, 2012, 08:42:58 pm
Let me know which one you're interested in, Mike, and I'll tell you if its any good. Bear in mind that a Mac does nothing different from a PC, it just generally does it better and more reliably.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: 1_rob_1 on December 01, 2012, 09:56:25 pm
The differences between Macs/Windows/Linux Pcs. that any consumer without a great deal of knowledge about computers should consider before buying a new pc, in a nutshell. Roughly:

Mac: Good operating system built on a good platform - expensive, but it works, it is very stable & is not as prone to crashes/viruses/spyware as a Windows pc.
Bear in mind that there are quite a few applications/programs that can be used in windows that cannot be used in a Mac environment or may be difficult to install.

Windows: Good operating system built on a not-so-good platform, Vista/7/8 not quite as prone to crashes as the earlier versions - XP & lower. cheap, still prone to most viruses/spyware. Most applications/programs are simple to install.

Linux: Free. Good operating system built on a good platform, very stable & is pretty immune to most viruses/spyware. It very rarely crashes.
BUT unless you are just using your pc for office type applications emailing & surfing then linux can be quite difficult to use.
Old obsolete pcs can be given a new lease of life if used with a linux operating system.
I personally use Puppy Linux which is quite simple to use, download the cd version, burn it to cd/dvd & boot your pc with it. It will not touch your current op system - - in other words, if you take the disc out & reboot your pc, it will boot as normal.

My opinion is to try linux from a bootable cd/dvd (free) It will make your pc seem mega fast. If this doesnt do what you need, then, as Yorkie says, go for what you know (windows).
if you want to indulge yourself & have the money then treat yourself to a Mac - it wont let you down!! (probably)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on December 01, 2012, 10:13:02 pm
   Thanks for your replies. I quote "if you've got the money, treat yourself etc"   One of my laptops is a Dell Latitude 620, its old and has problems, both software and hardware.  To buy a refurbished same model would cost around £150 (ebay).  An Apple Macbook laptop around the same age would cost around £300.  So I'm not thinking of splashing a fortune, for the difference in price £150 I thought --- why not give it a go.
  Thanks again, I am inclined to dip my toe in the water at the bottom end of the price range for 3/4 rs old one and take a chance. At least I should learn something about them  Mike
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: 1_rob_1 on December 01, 2012, 10:44:28 pm
 
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One of my laptops is a Dell Latitude 620, its old and has problems.
The live version of Puppy linux is worth a try, it can breathe new life into old pcs.
It may be worth trying before you spend your money on a new pc.
The laptop which I am using to post these replies is about 10 years old, has 256mb of memory, & a 500mhz processor. (built for Windows 98) It runs Openoffice which is compatible with microsoft office.

Its a simple download & burn to cd/dvd so worth trying.

It is a lot faster than most of the current pcs that I build with Windows installed. From pressing the "on" button, to surfing the internet takes about 30-40 seconds.

Its free, & wont affect your current version of windows. so worth trying. :-))



Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on December 02, 2012, 08:20:34 am
The other thing that's worth knowing is that you can run Macs as Windows machines through the use of 'boot camp', the PC emulator that comes free with Macs.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Yorkie on December 02, 2012, 09:47:08 am
The other thing that's worth knowing is that you can run Macs as Windows machines through the use of 'boot camp', the PC emulator that comes free with Macs.

Clever marketing that!   Lets people run Windows whilst the onlookers think they're running a Mac!!    _))*

Bit of one-upmanship!    L0L
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on December 02, 2012, 11:09:26 am
Which programs would you want to run via a Windows emulator though? I've never had the need to use one.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on December 02, 2012, 04:05:31 pm
A friend of mine whose job is air traffic control uses his for the progs that ATC use.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on December 02, 2012, 06:21:50 pm
Hmm, interesting.

Other than internet usage, the main thing I need from my PC is to run my business, (via Microsoft Excel and Access)
So, that is the main reason that I have not moved to an Apple PC.

I wonder whether this 'emulator' or 'boot camp' will run my existing documents through an Apple PC?

 *&(
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on December 02, 2012, 07:24:12 pm
Hmm, interesting.

Other than internet usage, the main thing I need from my PC is to run my business, (via Microsoft Excel and Access)
So, that is the main reason that I have not moved to an Apple PC.

I wonder whether this 'emulator' or 'boot camp' will run my existing documents through an Apple PC?

 *&(
Most major software comes in a Mac version. I have Microsoft Office installed on my Macs.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: dwsi on December 02, 2012, 07:36:52 pm
You run Windows on a Mac using Parallels http://www.parallels.com/uk/ (http://www.parallels.com/uk/)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on December 03, 2012, 08:00:54 am
You can, but boot camp is more precise as it works directly from the Intel processors. And unlike Parallels, it's free.

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I wonder whether this 'emulator' or 'boot camp' will run my existing documents through an Apple PC?


The answer is yes.  However, Apple's version of Excel is Numbers, and Numbers will read any Excel document perfectly (I've used it for that many times).
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on December 03, 2012, 08:53:57 am
iTunes 11 has been released by Apple today.  Well worth downloading as it has a number of new and very useful features.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on May 08, 2013, 09:14:27 am
I see that Microsoft have finally admitted that Windows 8 is rubbish:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/may/07/microsoft-redesign-windows-8 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/may/07/microsoft-redesign-windows-8)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: craigollerton on August 01, 2014, 10:22:52 pm
I was just looking in at the 2009/2010 imacs with the aluminium chassis, second hand prices are right down on eBay now even i'm tempted at the £400 mark. Did the same with the mac air, retailing with the latest spec at £999.99 in the Apple shop in Manchester, the same style model albeit lesser specced inside, £400 on eBay with an external USB drive, arrived like new. One thing you can almost be sure of when buying a second hand mac, is the previous users tend to look after them.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2014, 08:26:07 am
Just treated myself to the 27" iMac, an incredibly fast monster of a computer.  ZXZ
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on September 15, 2014, 08:27:18 am
Hmph...

I'm thinking of talking the plunge and getting the new Desktop Pro.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on September 15, 2014, 08:49:06 am
Just treated myself to the 27" iMac, an incredibly fast monster of a computer.  ZXZ


I've been toying with the idea of getting one for quite a while but the hard drive is only 1TB & they've removed all the optical drives. My home broadband is s***e to say the least so streaming & cloud computing is not really an option for me so I'm not really sure whether to take the plunge.
They look a brilliant piece of kit though, especially if you wall mount the monitor.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2014, 08:50:44 am
Just treated myself to the 27" iMac, an incredibly fast monster of a computer.  ZXZ


I've been toying with the idea of getting one for quite a while but the hard drive is only 1TB & they've removed all the optical drives. My home broadband is s***e to say the least so streaming & cloud computing is not really an option for me so I'm not really sure whether to take the plunge.
They look a brilliant piece of kit though, especially if you wall mount the monitor.
I always keep data on the external hard drives anyway (2 x 3tb), so the 1tb internal drive isn't a problem.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on September 15, 2014, 08:59:53 am
Just treated myself to the 27" iMac, an incredibly fast monster of a computer.  ZXZ


I've been toying with the idea of getting one for quite a while but the hard drive is only 1TB & they've removed all the optical drives. My home broadband is s***e to say the least so streaming & cloud computing is not really an option for me so I'm not really sure whether to take the plunge.
They look a brilliant piece of kit though, especially if you wall mount the monitor.
I always keep data on the external hard drives anyway (2 x 3tb), so the 1tb internal drive isn't a problem.


Maybe if I do that from scratch with all my music it won't mess up my iTunes account like my PC did a while ago. If I'm correct my iTunes Match will download my collection straight from Apple instead of having to manually re-load it all again.
Damn you DaveR, looks like you've just made me spend a lot of money. And I've only just ordered the new iPhone!
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2014, 09:05:49 am
Damn you DaveR, looks like you've just made me spend a lot of money.
*bows*
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on September 15, 2014, 09:19:40 am
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Maybe if I do that from scratch with all my music it won't mess up my iTunes account like my PC did a while ago. If I'm correct my iTunes Match will download my collection straight from Apple instead of having to manually re-load it all again.

Once you sign in to the Apple store or iTunes with your Apple ID it'll all download in the background.  The iMacs also have Thunderbolt 2 connectors, so buying a couple of really big drives (3 or 4TB) is always the best option. Folderwatch, BTW. is an excellent app that will monitor any folder anywhere and keep it the same as your master drive.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on September 15, 2014, 09:30:05 am
Folderwatch, BTW. is an excellent app that will monitor any folder anywhere and keep it the same as your master drive.
Interesting, will have to take a look at that.  $thanx$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 16, 2014, 11:10:57 pm
Damn you DaveR, looks like you've just made me spend a lot of money.
*bows*


Oh well, finally ordered my iMac. I hope it was worth the wait.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 17, 2014, 07:33:19 am
Keep us updated when it arrives.  And you have the services of a growing number of Apple users on here if you encounter any problems.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 17, 2014, 09:08:14 am
Damn you DaveR, looks like you've just made me spend a lot of money.
*bows*


Oh well, finally ordered my iMac. I hope it was worth the wait.
Congratulations on joining the iMac cult...  ZXZ
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 17, 2014, 10:14:02 am
Damn you DaveR, looks like you've just made me spend a lot of money.
*bows*


Oh well, finally ordered my iMac. I hope it was worth the wait.
Congratulations on joining the iMac cult...  ZXZ


The new 27" 5k display looks an amazing piece of kit.
Instead of buying an external hard drive I upgraded to the 3TB fusion drive, that should be enough for my needs.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 17, 2014, 10:24:31 am
It should be, but the big advantage of an external drive (which are all cheap, now) is that it's great for intensive tasks, such as running movies from, or as a stand by in case the internal ever goes.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 17, 2014, 10:27:06 am
The new 27" 5k display looks an amazing piece of kit.
Instead of buying an external hard drive I upgraded to the 3TB fusion drive, that should be enough for my needs.
Mmmm...Retina display on the iMac. Shame I've already just bought a 27" one.  :rage:

Yes, the 3TB Fusion Drive should be very fast indeed.

I also see that Apple has launched the latest version of iOS, Yosemite. The iCloud Drive feature should be very useful.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/16/apple-releases-newest-mac-os-yosemite-download (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/16/apple-releases-newest-mac-os-yosemite-download)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 17, 2014, 10:48:45 am
It should be, but the big advantage of an external drive (which are all cheap, now) is that it's great for intensive tasks, such as running movies from, or as a stand by in case the internal ever goes.


With everything stored in the iCloud I thought that would act as a stand by & the fusion drive is supposed to be almost as fast as SSD so I'm hoping it can handle everything I need to throw at it.
I guess only time will tell on that front but I could always get an external HD in the future if I think I need it. I just thought it would save clutter keeping everything on the larger built in HD.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 17, 2014, 12:03:33 pm
The fusion drive buffers data when the system assumes it'll be needed, so it will appear almost instantly. Should be nice.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on October 17, 2014, 07:21:49 pm
   Really, our moderators and one or two others are posting in a VERY high tech manner, a lot of which is only partially understood me. And I have a Mac, and its little brother the iPad.
But whats this yosemite? Do you plug it, play it or eat it? Don't bother answering that.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on October 17, 2014, 07:23:33 pm
   Just thought.  Apple with yosemite. Sounds tasty. Better than an ice cream sandwich
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on October 17, 2014, 09:45:53 pm
   Just thought.  Apple with yosemite. Sounds tasty. Better than an ice cream sandwich

Mike, I don't know what Yosemite is either, but I'm pretty sure it's not marmite.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 18, 2014, 02:35:57 am
   Just thought.  Apple with yosemite. Sounds tasty. Better than an ice cream sandwich

Mike, I don't know what Yosemite is either, but I'm pretty sure it's not marmite.


Isn't he the bloke who was always trying to shoot Bugs Bunny?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2014, 08:21:55 am
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Really, our moderators and one or two others are posting in a VERY high tech manner, a lot of which is only partially understood me. And I have a Mac, and its little brother the iPad.

http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/?cid=wwa-uk-kwg-mac-com (http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/?cid=wwa-uk-kwg-mac-com)
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2014, 08:24:23 am
I'd wait a little while before jumping in, however. Despite this being the most well tested upgrade in Apple's history there are bound to be little issues, so wait and see remains the best option. The other factor is that there will also be the usual rash of hoax anti-Apple articles claiming it bends your computer, or similar...
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 18, 2014, 09:44:11 am
I'd wait a little while before jumping in, however. Despite this being the most well tested upgrade in Apple's history there are bound to be little issues, so wait and see remains the best option. The other factor is that there will also be the usual rash of hoax anti-Apple articles claiming it bends your computer, or similar...


Also the older your computer the more chance the latest OS could be too much work for it owing to the lack of RAM or aged CPU.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 18, 2014, 11:26:00 am
Indeed.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on October 19, 2014, 07:56:52 pm
  SDJ has a valid point. I know from slightly bitter experience.

  Its only about 3 months ago that I upgraded to Ohh I cannot remember the name but its the OS which came out after Mountain Lion, its the first one not to be named after a tiger like animal.

   I didn't even ungrade knowingly, its just that I was getting constant messages asking me if I wanted to update my apps and I just clicked update everything.

  In retrospect this was a mistake, I wouldn't have clicked it if I had known what I was letting myself in for. Its taken my Mac a long time to settle down and I don't fancy going through all that again.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Merddin Emrys on October 19, 2014, 10:41:06 pm
Same here with my iPad and updating to iOS 8!!
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 20, 2014, 07:08:43 am
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I didn't even ungrade knowingly, its just that I was getting constant messages asking me if I wanted to update my apps and I just clicked update everything.

Yessss... that was rather sneaky.  OS upgrades ought to be shown as such, and not simply put in the software upgrades box.

In fact, it's usually other progs that cause issues when you upgrade, as some software producers take short cuts, which then fall foul of changes to the OS. There's also quite a lot you can do to keep things running smoothly and quickly. One thing that's worth knowing is that the more items you have on the desktop, the slower your Mac will start.  That's because the finder treats each desktop item as a separate window, so a lot of things left there can slow the thing down significantly.

In advance of Yosemite they've just pushed out a big security update. That's an important one, but once it's installed it's a good idea to restart your computer.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 20, 2014, 09:08:22 am
I installed Yosemite over the weekend, no problems at all.  $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 20, 2014, 10:09:04 am
Well, in ghat case, I might take the plunge. I'll probably pop it on the other other HDs, first, though. I can slowly transfer stuff as time goes on, that way.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 24, 2014, 10:57:39 pm
The Apple elves have been whilst I was at work!

Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 25, 2014, 08:09:09 am
Nice.  Even unwrapping Apple stuff is a delightful experience.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SteveH on October 25, 2014, 09:16:11 am
Congratulations SDQ, very smart setup, the mirror? ....is that to keep a check on your big  :D
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: hollins on October 25, 2014, 09:30:28 am
 ££$  SDQ. Smart boy! Great feeling when something arrives in the post that you have been looking forward to receiving.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 25, 2014, 09:49:25 am
Congratulations SDQ, very smart setup, the mirror? ....is that to keep a check on your big  :D


To be honest I just put it there to hide the umbilical cord from my plasma dropping down to the Sky/BluRay/Surround Processor.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on October 26, 2014, 09:02:08 pm
Congratulations SDQ, very smart setup, the mirror? ....is that to keep a check on your big  :D


To be honest I just put it there to hide the umbilical cord from my plasma dropping down to the Sky/BluRay/Surround Processor.

Yeuch,  plasma, umbilical cords.... all sounds too messy for me.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Ian on October 27, 2014, 07:59:23 am
Best to give it a wide berth then, F :-))))
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on October 27, 2014, 10:49:23 am
Best to give it a wide berth then, F :-))))

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 28, 2014, 10:38:03 am
The Apple elves have been whilst I was at work!
Hope you're enjoying your Mac. I'm trying to persuade Fester to get one. $good$
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on October 28, 2014, 11:31:50 am
The Apple elves have been whilst I was at work!
Hope you're enjoying your Mac. I'm trying to persuade Fester to get one. $good$


It's taking a bit of getting used to if I'm honest. I've been Googling the stupidest things trying to find my way around!  :laugh:

I've managed to get a lot of my music into iTunes via Senuti (iTunes Match was taking forever because of my pathetic broadband speed) but it won't go any further due to it's 25k limit so I've disabled Match and will have to resort to plan B. I plan to put it all on an old external hard drive & then hopefully load it to a new external HD I'm getting for the iMac, then I'll put it into iTunes manually. What I don't know is if there are any problems because the music is from a Windows PC, is it a straight copy & paste or does it need some sort of a conversion. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on October 28, 2014, 12:55:06 pm
If the music is in MP3 format, then it should import straight in, no problem. just stick it all in one folder on the External HD, then 'Add to Library', then select everything in the folder and they will all get imported in.
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Fester on October 28, 2014, 03:44:11 pm
The Apple elves have been whilst I was at work!
Hope you're enjoying your Mac. I'm trying to persuade Fester to get one. $good$

I will,   .... one of your's or SDQ's 'hand me downs'

Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: SDQ on January 16, 2016, 10:51:13 am
I noticed my iSheep licence was about to expire so I thought I'd better rectify the situation.
My old iPad Air looks like a Mini next to his new bigger brother!
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: Michael on March 21, 2016, 11:39:12 pm
  Just taken a quick glance at this thread, because Ive just brought
an upgrade macbook.  Never noticed I was on the original page one of this thread. Reading through  spot an entry written by myself. Funny, I don't remember ever contributing to this subject. No wonder. It was four years ago and I was writing about me buying my first iPad. If you had asked me before I would have said off the cuff I bought it a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Apple iMac
Post by: DaveR on March 22, 2016, 12:03:15 pm
How are you getting on with the MacBook, Mike?