I used the back bar in the Stanley in the middle 1960s and it was dead rough then. It attracted customers that preferred that no ,one knew where they were so the backalley door was popular. Before anyone asks what I was doing in there, no, I was'ent bothered if anyone saw me, after all I lived in Rhyl so noone knew me, but I was in the middle of a very intense romance, if thats the correct word, with the wife of the tempory Ind Coope manager who was running it. He did'nt mind, if it wasent me it would have someone else. Mike