I bumped into DaveR and Fester whilst out and about this afternoon. Fester, I forgot to mention that a pack of frozen peas put on your back will some times work better than a hot pack. If it's not any better in a couple of days, don't suffer give Theresa Morgans BSc(Ost) DO RGN a try, Coniston Clinic, 30 Mostyn Avenue, 01492 871912 Hope your back is better soon.