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Re: Llandudno Pier
« Reply #510 on: July 29, 2013, 07:20:02 AM »
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I put it on this thread Ian because that's where Dave R had put the Deeds link for the Pier. Am I wrong for commenting on what is current in this thread?

Er...my posting in response to yours has gone missing.  Odd. Anyway, 'not at all', was the original response; my first post was very much TIC, anyway :-)))))))
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« Reply #511 on: July 29, 2013, 07:42:55 AM »
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I'll be quite honest - as the pier structure is entirely owned by Six Piers who carry out work on it year in, year out; and no work is taking place in the sea bed beyond low water mark, I did wonder what interest Crown Estates have.

This adds to the confusion as when the pier was built, they may have taken rights to carry out maintenance as part and parcel of the title.

The area of the landing stage is relatively new - 1967 - so the legal title there will be relatively recent, and readable.

Time for a clear Yeah or Nay from Crown Estates
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On Page 5 of the Schedule of restrictive covenants continued it states :-

"And also will, at all times keep the premises in a good and proper state of repair, and in proper condition, free from all defects injurious to navigation or the adjacent lands or the public interest."

Am I wrong? or does that imply the Pier Company was responsible in Law for keeping the landing stage in a condition fit for purpose and that no Public Body held them to account?


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I think a restrictive covenant is not the law of the land.  It is something which is enforceable by only the grantor/beneficiary or their successors.  Anyone know who the successors are in this instance ?


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The beneficiary of those covenants is the Crown as it is the Crown that imposed them.

The responsibility to enforce them is also the Crown's


To be continued?


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« Reply #512 on: July 29, 2013, 10:32:18 AM »
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« Reply #513 on: July 29, 2013, 10:43:08 AM »
In that case, Yorkie, the next episode may be your specialist subject.  ;)



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« Reply #514 on: July 29, 2013, 11:50:51 AM »
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In that case, Yorkie, the next episode may be your specialist subject.  ;)


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« Reply #515 on: July 30, 2013, 09:53:27 AM »
I always worry when I attempt to walk down the pier as I did on Sunday.  There is an area from the entrance to where the wooden planking starts which is absolutely crammed and people are funneled in to a very small space as they attempt to negotiate the tat.  There seem to be more huts this year or is it my imagination?
What does bother me if there was - gods forbid - an emergency and people attempted to flee back on to the prom.  they would not be able.  How Health and Safety has ignored this problem I don't know.
I think it was Yorkie who suggested clearing the old Pavillion site and putting a market there.  Maybe it would be better to put all the childrens' rides there and have a little self contained fair ground with those new huts also then the main thoroughfare would be wider and safer.

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« Reply #516 on: July 30, 2013, 10:22:48 AM »
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I think it was Yorkie who suggested clearing the old Pavillion site and putting a market there.

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« Reply #517 on: July 30, 2013, 01:16:22 PM »
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I always worry when I attempt to walk down the pier as I did on Sunday.  There is an area from the entrance to where the wooden planking starts which is absolutely crammed and people are funneled in to a very small space as they attempt to negotiate the tat.  There seem to be more huts this year or is it my imagination?
What does bother me if there was - gods forbid - an emergency and people attempted to flee back on to the prom.  they would not be able.  How Health and Safety has ignored this problem I don't know.
I think it was Yorkie who suggested clearing the old Pavillion site and putting a market there.  Maybe it would be better to put all the childrens' rides there and have a little self contained fair ground with those new huts also then the main thoroughfare would be wider and safer.
I was there Sunday afternoon as well, went for a walk to the end with wife and mother-in-law.  We went onto the pier at the Happy Valley entrance but came back through the "funfair" ... thought I was in Rhyl in the old days, all that seemed to be missing was someone shouting out bingo numbers.  Spoils the pier and Llandudno, IMHO.

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« Reply #518 on: July 30, 2013, 02:43:29 PM »
I wish CCBC would join our forum and save me posting:

30/07/13 - Llandudno Pier

The Council is working closely with Six Piers Ltd to monitor and request regular progress reports.

The engineers have confirmed that work to build the new landing stage at the end of Llandudno pier is ongoing both on and off the site.

Timber and steelwork sections have been procured, fabrication details have been produced and work will start on them soon.  Load testing has taken place on site, the timber deck to the second jetty access walkway is being changed, and safety equipment has been installed on the main structure for access.

However, the Marine Licence will need to be renewed; this is simply because the existing one has now expired.

Cllr Graham Rees said, "We hope the application process doesn't delay the project unduly, it's taken a while and a lot of hard work to get to this point but it will be worth it.  We know there's interest from cruise businesses wanting to come to Llandudno but itineraries are normally planned by the companies a few years in advance.

The project would not be possible without the support of funding partners: Gwynt y Môr Tourism Fund, Conwy County Borough Council, Llandudno Town Council and Six Piers Ltd.

The National Piers Society website states:

Official: Llandudno pier’s landing stage to be restored

Hard on the heels of the Society’s AGM visit to LLANDUDNO pier in May came the welcome news that funding has been found to restore its landing stage, which had been closed in 2006. A Ł200,000 grant from energy company RWE NPower Renewables, who operate an offshore wind farm, has kick-started the renovation programme. The Gwynt y Mor Tourism Fund is also contributing towards the project, along with Conwy County Council. Blackpool based company Six Piers Ltd., who own the pier, were unable to afford the reinstatement cost. Pier manager Simon Mason commented: “This is hugely exciting, especially as we had almost given up hope of being able to get the work done.” It is hoped to begin a regular steamer service between Llandudno and Liverpool, operated by p.s. Waverley and other vessels, as well as welcoming cruise ships. Work has already begun and could be completed by the end of October.

Could be completed and End of October in the same sentence may be a concern to some.

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« Reply #519 on: July 30, 2013, 11:45:24 PM »
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« Reply #520 on: July 31, 2013, 07:38:41 PM »
Well I will just have to get a refund for this years Trip and book early for next year instead.  $good$
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« Reply #521 on: August 04, 2013, 10:43:14 AM »
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Timber and steelwork sections have been procured, fabrication details have been produced and work will start on them soon.  Load testing has taken place on site, the timber deck to the second jetty access walkway is being changed, and safety equipment has been installed on the main structure for access
I noticed myself that the timber decking to the walkway between Stages 1 & 2 had been replaced last week; this seemed a little at odds with the planning permission as it stated that the walkway was to be removed and replaced by a gate/staircase to the side of the cafe:

6. A new opening will be created adjacent to the smaller arcade pavilion to the east of the pier
head. This opening will be created by carefully removing a panel of the historic pier railing
which will be re-positioned adjacent to the main access point down to landing stage 1. The
panel will be replaced with a gate. The gate and apertures to either side of the gate will
have a cast iron criss-cross pattern which is shown for the bridge railings detailing. A new
timber handrail and bottom rail will be placed at the top and base of the gate and will match
that of the existing historic handrail and base of the historic railings.

7. New access stairs will run from the new access point down to the existing link walkway to
landing stage 2. The new staircase will drop from the new access point down by 1.6 metres
to the walkway and will have a tubular steel handrail and 6 steps leading down.
Thestaircase will have a width of 0.5 metres and will have a length of 2 metres.
The remainder of the link walkway between landing stage 1 and 2 will be removed.

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Re: Llandudno Pier
« Reply #522 on: August 04, 2013, 05:49:18 PM »
Here is a vision of what things may look like one day from the Imperial Hotel.

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« Reply #523 on: August 04, 2013, 07:48:29 PM »
Dreamer

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« Reply #524 on: August 04, 2013, 08:19:38 PM »
I knew you would love it, wrex.

Did you notice all the sand outside the Imperial Hotel?