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Hugo

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« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2015, 05:05:25 PM »
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Ian was the one that asked if his friend had 'a point'

You may think the remarks are flippant but there is a fare legion of racist nutters who would like to see such a thing happen.

I think Ian was just quoting that just to encourage a debate on the subject, no more than that.   As for the racist thing then what about the 38 people murdered in Tunisia?
Don't forget that the vast majority of those illegals coming here are Muslims and while the majority of them may be desperate, they are all law breakers and there may even be the odd racist nutter amongst them

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« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2015, 06:25:43 PM »
It's a worrying situation, to be sure. Not only have a lot of people had the start to their much anticipated holidays ruined, but a lot of lorry drivers are in genuine fear of their lives. Footage shows that these people are willing to risk their lives and the French seem to be doing very little to deter them from the criminal acts they seem bent on perpetrating. So what is the solution?
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« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2015, 08:19:41 PM »
I read somewhere ( not the DFM  Ian )   that if these illegal immigrants are processed in one of the EU countries and they turn up in the UK then they are simply deported without being able to claim political asylum in the UK.
I don't know how the system works in Italy and Greece but common sense says that each immigrant should be processed in that country before they are released.
That should involve keeping records such as photographs,  finger prints etc and this should apply to all the illegals caught at Calais or anywhere else for that matter
If they are found in the UK then you simply deport them back to that country that processed them.
It appears that the other EU countries are not doing it and hoping that they can pass them all on to the UK

Ian

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« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2015, 08:27:27 PM »
That's certainly what appears to be happening.
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« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2015, 09:15:33 PM »
So some are rescued by an RN vessel. Landed in Italy just because that is the nearest port.
What then, should they be left in Italy or loaded back on the British vessel and brought to a British Port ?
Problem starts a long way back in Middle East or Africa and that is were the problem needs to be tackled.
Once they have arrived in the EU it is to late. They are then a problem for us to deal with.

Hugo

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« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2015, 10:41:55 PM »
Unless Cameron changes the present status and opts in to accepting the immigrants from Africa and Asia the UK has no legal obligation to accept them.   This applies to Ireland and Denmark too but to no other EU country, all the others will have to take quotas.
Since the naval vessels have been sent back to the Med  the situation with the boat people has got worse as they know that the EU countries will rescue them.
It may be an idea for the EU boats to be stationed just outside Libyan Territorial waters and if they see these boats coming from Libya then to escort them safely back to Libya and not take them all the way to Italy

Ian

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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2015, 08:18:51 AM »
One suggestion I heard was for the French to create a camp for those that break the law - such as by cutting through the fence, and so on - and to imprison the law breaker in that camp. The camp would be situated in or near Marseilles.
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2015, 11:27:34 AM »
As Mull says, the problem lies back in whichever country they originate, but that's not somethign we can sort out easily.  Why do they choose to try and come to the UK?  I know some do go elsewhere.

Presumably they see the UK as attractive - we take them in, we given them shelter, we give them money, we give them jobs (even at minimum wage it's a lot more than they get in their own countries so must make them feel quite rich).

So ... there's (to me) a fairly simple answer - we stop welcoming them in, we stop giving them shelter, stop giving them money, stop giving them jobs - don't make it such an attractive proposition to risk lives getting here.

After all, we have a crumbling National Health service that is in desperate need of our money.

I am not criticising foreigners who come here and have the skills to do jobs - doctors, nurses, etc.  The ones I am criticising are the ones that are hell bent on breaking whatever laws it takes to get here, who are causing major disruption to the economy of this country, then expect (and get) looked after.

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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2015, 02:58:31 PM »
I agree!
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Hugo

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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2015, 05:17:57 PM »
The UK does need migrants to help the economy,  but we should be able to select who we want to come here to work.   There is nothing wrong whatsoever to have a points system like they have in Australia.
They should be able to communicate in English and bring a skill to the UK that we need and be able to support themselves once they are here.
These boat people claim to be persecuted at their home country and yet travel across numerous countries to get on those boats that take them to Italy and Greece.   Why don't they seek sanctuary in those two countries and be safe there, unless of course it is the free housing, benefits,  pensions and the free health service that is attracting them to the UK.
Stop those free perks and the problem should stop for the UK

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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2015, 11:47:19 PM »
I find it interesting how they wheel Nigel Farage out so regularly now to discuss this subject, and give a lot of credence to his views.
It's only a few short weeks since he was ridiculed on every current affairs show, prior to the election.
Now, suddenly he is being treated like a visionary.

I also note that many of the migrants wander around talking on their iphones.
How are they paying the bills for them?   ..... and where are they plugging them in every night to charge them up!!!
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Hugo

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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2015, 12:05:59 AM »
That's very interesting Fester,  it's quite annoying to see the migrants landing in Greece and the first thing they do is take selfies of themselves on those expensive phones.
The Greeks should send them back to Turkey immediately as they know full well where the migrants have come from.

Ian

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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2015, 07:21:41 AM »
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It's only a few short weeks since he was ridiculed on every current affairs show, prior to the election.  Now, suddenly he is being treated like a visionary.

Interesting, isn't it? The more xenophobic press, such as the Express, allied to the simply insane, such as the DFM, love to change direction, all the while hoping no one will notice.

BBC news this morning had a French journalist on and she made some pertinent points. The one that struck home was when she talked about the French charities going into the camps to help them out with water supplies, bedding, food and shelter and how the French government was reluctant to undo the good work these groups were doing by going in - as the DFM had suggested - with water cannon.  Although I suppose what surprised me more was that the DFM hadn't suggested flame throwers...
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« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2015, 04:54:24 PM »
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Now THIS is satire  _))*