You are correct. Ray Cutler in the butchers (his elder brother Syd had a butchers in the West End of the Bay. The sign English Butcher is still there). Jack Newton, the greengrocer, although the shop worked under the title of "Barnwells." if I remember correctly. Westwells had an off licence run by a lady who lived in Penrhynside. They also had one opposite bog island in Llandudno and in Old Colwyn, on the right at the bottom of the hill Mike