Re the Landsdown:- Llandudno Hotels have consistently under charge for their rooms, it's almost as if they are to frightened to charge an appropriate rate for the quality product they are offering. When we bought ours 20 years back, it was £25 per person per night for Bed Breakfast and Evening meal. I very quickly realised we were not making any profit on the evening meal, so much against the wishes of my good lady we stopped providing them and kept the B & B price at £25 pp pn. Yes we did lose a lot of the old guests, but guess what, they were very quickly replaced with new ones, who were quite content to pay the proper rate for their accommodation. It's a business we're running when all said and done and it must pay for its self or like the 6 sets of neighbours we've had next door, you will very quickly realise it's an easy way to go bankrupt.